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Suggestion: Remove Person Man from staff
#1  January 28, 2014, 11:55:42 am
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Based on my experience with this guy as well as how I see him interact with other users, I think he's pretty badly fit to be in any position of power.

For starters, he allows his emotions to interfere with his decisions.  He has given users infractions for simply saying things he doesn't like, yet every post he makes is a blatantly antagonistic, strawmanning outburst.  I don't think he intentionally flame baits with this, just that he knows he can get away with it so he does it, just that he also knows that if anyone tries to factually debate with him or even disagree with him he can shut them down because of his authority, especially if they are aggressive in their response as he is in his initial post.

He doesn't post in any of the Mugen forums, he doesn't care about the engine or the community.  All of the other staff can at least say they do that.  Iced works with the Z2 crew and a few other guys, JMM and Caddie are content creators, JNP provides resources, etc.  This guy is pretty much here for no reason.  At the very least he shouldn't be a global mod for a forum whose content he has 0% interest in. 

All I ever see this guy do is post blatantly hyperbolic, flame baiting posts in every topic and then get away with it because he's staff.  I don't think he intentionally tries to get people to respond harshly to him, just that his attitude is so shitty that most people lack the patience to respond in any other way.  I think a lot of people probably feel the same, just that they're scared to speak out because he's the only one on staff incapable of taking criticism about his job, as evident by the fact that he threatened me with a ban once simply for saying I think he's a horrendously impatient human being and ill fit for staff.  Hell, I expect to be banned by him just for this thread.

So uh....that's that. 
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#2  January 28, 2014, 12:00:25 pm
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Wtf man.
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#3  January 28, 2014, 12:07:25 pm
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For starters, he allows his emotions to interfere with his decisions.[...] every post he makes is a blatantly antagonistic, strawmanning outburst.
All I ever see this guy do is post blatantly hyperbolic, flame baiting posts in every topic and then get away with it[....]  I don't think he intentionally tries to get people to respond harshly to him, just that his attitude is so shitty that most people lack the patience to respond in any other way.
People could say the same thing about you, you know.

I don't think he intentionally flame baits with this, just that he knows he can get away with it so he does it, just that he also knows that if anyone tries to factually debate with him or even disagree with him he can shut them down because of his authority, especially if they are aggressive in their response as he is in his initial post.
I've had minor flame arguments with the dude and he never abused his power to take me down.

He doesn't post in any of the Mugen forums, he doesn't care about the engine or the community.  All of the other staff can at least say they do that.  Iced works with the Z2 crew and a few other guys, JMM and Caddie are content creators, JNP provides resources, etc.  This guy is pretty much here for no reason.  At the very least he shouldn't be a global mod for a forum whose content he has 0% interest in.
Are you suggesting that a mod needs to know how to make stuff for an engine before he can make sure people aren't being assholes towards each other?

I think a lot of people probably feel the same, just that they're scared to speak out because he's the only one on staff incapable of taking criticism about his job
Or he doesn't treat them that way so they don't really have a reason to speak out.

MC2, I'm gonna just put this out there. Have you ever considered that maybe... JUST maybe... that you haven't exactly been a model poster on the board. You throw out quick insults and ignore people's responses to them, you act all high and mighty elitist regarding fighting games or pretty much anything you have an opinion on, and you killed c-I MEAN you're just generally a dick to everyone. Have you considered that this is probably why you're having problems with people on this forum?

I await your reply that will never happen.
Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 12:12:08 pm by Jango
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#4  January 28, 2014, 12:37:03 pm
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I've had minor flame arguments with the dude and he never abused his power to take me down.
Honestly this, I've had a couple of bad moments with PM and even higher members of Staff liked Iced and I've never been abused by them.

Hell, I've BEEN banned by Iced for a good cause, I was posting like a complete potato, I mean nothing like how MC2's been posting recently but still.

Based on my experience with this guy as well as how I see him interact with other users, I think he's pretty badly fit to be in any position of power.
You make Titiln sound like the nicest guy with that logic, When he was a Mod, He was quite brutal to shitposters (And still is).

For starters, he allows his emotions to interfere with his decisions.  He has given users infractions for simply saying things he doesn't like, yet every post he makes is a blatantly antagonistic, strawmanning outburst.
Uhm, I used to be really annoying to him when I used to insult Bronies and I never got any warnings from him, Could just be because you're a massive dick?

He doesn't post in any of the Mugen forums, he doesn't care about the engine or the community.  All of the other staff can at least say they do that.  Iced works with the Z2 crew and a few other guys, JMM and Caddie are content creators, JNP provides resources, etc.  This guy is pretty much here for no reason.  At the very least he shouldn't be a global mod for a forum whose content he has 0% interest in. 
Unless you think MissB is a part of the contributing team because she admires Balthazar's/Saikoro's muscles, Then I really think you should have a good chat with her, She doesn't make anything Mugen related and doesn't post in Mugen sections too.

All I ever see this guy do is post blatantly hyperbolic, flame baiting posts in every topic and then get away with it because he's staff.
No, This is something you'd do, Actually...I think you're doing it right now? How fucking perfect.

I think a lot of people probably feel the same, just that they're scared to speak out because he's the only one on staff incapable of taking criticism about his job, as evident by the fact that he threatened me with a ban once simply for saying I think he's a horrendously impatient human being and ill fit for staff.
Rajaa has been a pure dick at times, I don't blame the guy either but I wasn't scared to report that to Iced. Hell, he even told me it was the right thing to not actually make it something messy. And you know what? I never made it something because Rajaa's a human being too, So I didn't make a thread like this.

Hell, I expect to be banned by him just for this thread. 
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#5  January 28, 2014, 12:47:31 pm
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MissB at the very least USED to do Mugen related things and was actually part of the community, she just settled down and sort of stopped.  Furthermore, what you think of my behavior is frankly irrelevant, since I am not staff and this is not a thread suggesting my removal.  Even if I am the biggest dickhole in the world, that would not mean that Person Man is any more fit to be staff.  That is a logical fallacy.
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#6  January 28, 2014, 12:49:32 pm
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While I think the guy is a bit "high-strung" in regards of some things and certainly very direct, he really has not been doing anything wrong and for the most part his judgement regarding moderation has been totally fair. Not being into mugen all that much is irrelevant since he just moderates.

Might be letting the bad blood in-between you see him in far worse light then he actually is dude.

Yeah, that works.

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#7  January 28, 2014, 12:50:32 pm
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#8  January 28, 2014, 12:53:39 pm
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I didn't know we had any bad blood unless he hates me that much.  I don't know him enough to "hate" him or whatever you're suggesting, I just don't think he's fit for staff.  If there is "bad blood" it's purely unrequited.
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#9  January 28, 2014, 12:58:57 pm
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Well considering that you are pretty much the only one to call him out for any such things, it does come off as you just having a personal problem with him.

Yeah, that works.

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#10  January 28, 2014, 01:00:28 pm
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In that case I would think that it's just him not liking me and having bias against me, but I didn't want to make that statement because I honestly don't believe it.  I mean, I've seen him do the exact same thing to everyone else so it has absolutely nothing to do with me, just that I'm the only one to actually speak up about it.  I don't really have anything to lose from it do I?
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#11  January 28, 2014, 01:01:29 pm
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Ummmm... what? So apparently reading comprehension apparently isn't your forte, so here, I'll give you a simple bullet list so that you can understand my key points.

  • If he says he wants to ban you, it's probably your fault.
  • You don't need to know how MUGEN works to be a good mod.
  • You're just a horrible person in general.

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Actually maybe that's too wordy for you so I'll make it EVEN EASIER for you to understand.

  • Personman = Okay
  • You = Bad
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#12  January 28, 2014, 01:06:13 pm
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#13  January 28, 2014, 01:10:23 pm
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Shut up GBK.

In that case I would think that it's just him not liking me and having bias against me, but I didn't want to make that statement because I honestly don't believe it.  I mean, I've seen him do the exact same thing to everyone else so it has absolutely nothing to do with me, just that I'm the only one to actually speak up about it.  I don't really have anything to lose from it do I?
I guess not? If that truly is the case then good job sticking it to the man I suppose. Just remember that if you actually do have a personal problem with him (one you might actually even realize), it can cloud your judgement about stuff like this pretty easily. And since you are the only one speaking out about this, it's very possible.

Also saying things like...
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Hell, I expect to be banned by him just for this thread.
...is really skirting the line of this being a serious complaint about a mod or if it's just attention whoring. Just saying.

Yeah, that works.

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#14  January 28, 2014, 01:12:39 pm
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How would you suggest I word it then?  I believe this to be an issue that doesn't really concern me as I'm not as active as I used to be, it's more of something I believe to be a problem with the forum as a whole, bigger than myself. 

Again, I don't hate the individual.  I don't KNOW him.  If he has problems with me, that's his deal and I have no say in that.  I just think he needs to be relegated to local mod status at the very least.
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#15  January 28, 2014, 01:16:30 pm
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Well im not an expert on "forum etiquette", but if I were you and had this problem the first thing I would have done is PM the guy himself and actually try to talk it out with him in private. You could have directly stated whatever problems you have with him being a mod and maybe even clear some misunderstandings. If he then "Lashed out" about it in the way you described, then that would just prove you right and you could go public about it.

Considering that you just came out with this thing after your absence and a period of no one really having a problem with the guy, you don't actually have much leverage in the argument.

Yeah, that works.

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#16  January 28, 2014, 01:18:22 pm
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GBK never shuts up if someone tells him to do it.


To be honest, the problems Personman maybe caused..are like the problem an ant means to an elephant if it bites the big guy in his ass.

Super minor and not worth to talk about. Thats why this thread was called a typical "MFG Drama" Thread by me.

A lot of posts about nothing worth to talk/discuss/argue about.

'nuff said.
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#17  January 28, 2014, 01:19:11 pm
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Well, that seems fair to me.  I'd like the guy to have his own say in the matter and be able to defend himself, but I also didn't want to disregard the opinions of the public on an issue like this.  It was like 4 AM when I made this topic so I guess more people will show up later and they can post their thoughts.
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#18  January 28, 2014, 01:20:49 pm
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Considering your previous posts about the staff, and the way you dont answer any of their questions dont you think you might be biased?

This was one of your last posts:

I'm not posting this for the attention or sympathy or what the hell ever, just because I am unable to change my signature/personal text because of your extremely competent and intelligent staff.  But hey, maybe they'll decide to be helpful for once in their lives and use their ability to deface users' profiles to let everyone know, but surely not without a series of very justified and mature remarks at my expense. 

If you're going to PM me or try to contact me in any form, don't do it here.  I'm not going to be posting or participating in this community for the next I don't even know, because I think the way this forum is run is moronic and ridiculous.  If you PM me, I cannot see it.  If you reply to my posts, I cannot see it.  If you attempt to reach me through MFG in any way, I cannot see it.  I might show up to check the releases every once in a while, but that's assuming the extremely sensitive crybabies up top don't ban me due to their own inability to take criticism.  You might see me around MFFA or something, I don't know.  Don't bother replying to make funny jokes or epic references because I'm not gonna see it.  Welp, see ya.

Which leads me to think that you are doing this for a call for attention. Am I wrong?


Considering the above and Person Man general attitude, if he were to tell me that mc2 was doing somethng that deserved moderation, I would be inclined to take his word for it.
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#19  January 28, 2014, 01:45:57 pm
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I've never seen anything questionable about Person Man's moderation. In most cases I would look at his post history to be sure. But you have a credibility issue due to your past attitudes so it's more on you to prove it. You need to post examples so I can see what you are talking about.
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#20  January 28, 2014, 02:07:32 pm
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Wtf man.
My feels, too...

For starters, he allows his emotions to interfere with his decisions.  (...) yet every post he makes is a blatantly antagonistic, strawmanning outburst.  I don't think he intentionally flame baits with this, just that he knows he can get away with it so he does it, just that he also knows that if anyone tries to factually debate with him or even disagree with him
That reminds me a guy who made a drama-queen-like derail in my WIP thread just because I wanted to finish an "open source" char of him...