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Re: The old discusion about "Game X is shit" "Why take mugen so serious"
#21  September 07, 2008, 03:48:03 pm
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I love Tekken.


Just throwing that out there.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#22  September 10, 2008, 02:45:03 am
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CaseyAmazing AwesomeGuy said, September 07, 2008, 05:22:46 am
edit: i also find it funny that im an anarchist, and into politics and all that shit. and you guy are making pokemon characters. yeah, i must be the little kid.
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an anarchist on a forum?...about video games??...who actually calls himself an anarchist and get pissed because someone told him he was a kid??

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#23  September 10, 2008, 02:53:19 am
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what is wrong with it? I'm a anarchist and i love video games.

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#24  September 10, 2008, 10:39:51 am
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it seems like "anarchist" is just a style nowadays...most of the guys/girls i know or met are actually activists more often on the field or at meetings (to prepare their actions, from releasing books, cds to giving flyers and shit) than on a videa games/geeks forum... anyway i guess there is nothing wrong with that in my mind...i don't give a damn actually, as long as people don't pretend, im fine with it (im just saying that if i am "something", i dont see the point nor the purpose of declaring so...)

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#25  September 10, 2008, 04:25:27 pm
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ANARCHY? ANARCHY??? You wouldnt know anarchy even if it bit into your knee and then dislodged its jaw to swallow you whole.
Anarchy is as idealistic as communism, it would be pretty awesome if it wasnt for the fact we live in a real world and not one made out of fairytales and make believe, one where corruption and power mongers exist, one where people dont create morals or believe in them as much as they believe in whatever they need to believe in order to be able to interact with others.

ANARCHY doesnt justify going around flamebaiting everyone and being all awesomely shocked whenever someone actually replies "OH GEEZ GOLLY WHY ARE YOU GUYS SUCH DRAMAQUEENS THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLY TO ME? I AM PLAYING THIS FORUM GAME WHERE I SAY WHATEVER AND NO ONE ANSWERS BUT EVERYONE CLAPS AT MY INDIVIDUALITY!"
Thats...thats... not really how it works.

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#26  September 10, 2008, 04:36:18 pm
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anarchy, materialism and communism, those words have been ruined by secondary definitions.

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#27  September 10, 2008, 05:06:15 pm
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They were already fundamentally flawed, so the secondary definition only furthered to blur their intended purpose.

Plus it makes the terms hip, easy, and fun!

Anarchy= Cool
Communism= Evil

Rad!
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#28  September 10, 2008, 05:43:26 pm
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Anarchy = "Dude I can totally steal that Burrito from that guys house".
Dude with gun during anarchy = "Drop that burrito.............now drop your pants". "oh Fuck!"

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#29  September 10, 2008, 05:45:35 pm
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they should give people practical lessons about real life anarchy, you get locked in a cell with seven other guys , they all have guns, and there is no laws, lets see if you still find anarchy awesome cuz there are "no mo' laws!"

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#30  September 10, 2008, 06:00:08 pm
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Humans become nothing more than wild animals without any form of authority.

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#31  September 10, 2008, 06:49:30 pm
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anarchy is alot like communism.
works good on paper but thats about as far as it will go.

for anarchy/communism to work, you've got to have everyone in on the game.


BTW:  i was going to watch "all my children" to get my daily dose of drama, but after reading beginning of this thread, i don' need to anymore!

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#32  September 11, 2008, 12:08:02 am
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Iced said, September 10, 2008, 04:25:27 pm
ANARCHY? ANARCHY??? You wouldnt know anarchy even if it bit into your knee and then dislodged its jaw to swallow you whole.
Anarchy is as idealistic as communism, it would be pretty awesome if it wasnt for the fact we live in a real world and not one made out of fairytales and make believe, one where corruption and power mongers exist, one where people dont create morals or believe in them as much as they believe in whatever they need to believe in order to be able to interact with others.

ANARCHY doesnt justify going around flamebaiting everyone and being all awesomely shocked whenever someone actually replies "OH GEEZ GOLLY WHY ARE YOU GUYS SUCH DRAMAQUEENS THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLY TO ME? I AM PLAYING THIS FORUM GAME WHERE I SAY WHATEVER AND NO ONE ANSWERS BUT EVERYONE CLAPS AT MY INDIVIDUALITY!"
Thats...thats... not really how it works.
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thanks for bringing it down like this...agree on everything  ::) (didnt want to bring more drama than what we already have so i stayed kind of soft on the opinion... )

Egor said, September 10, 2008, 06:49:30 pm
anarchy is alot like communism.
no it's not: have you read someone saying otherwise?? i didnt!

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works good on paper but thats about as far as it will go.
works like a charm if you live it,honestly and completly!

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for anarchy/communism to work, you've got to have everyone in on the game.
anarchy is not a matter of number of people,its a matter of order,or should i say "no order" (as in there are no restrictions,only a proper behaviour..doesnt mean everyone runs around naked and randomly kill people  --; )... but it's doable on a lower scale,true, like at the level of a community but impossible at the level of a society or country..

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#33  September 11, 2008, 12:27:51 am
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All will eventually revert to an Animal Farm state.
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#34  September 11, 2008, 02:11:10 am
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Enter the trigger, usually some sort of conflict, like a guy wanting a girl that wont want him.
Anarchy terms dictate that he can rape her if he can beat her up and beat anyone else that might want to beat him over it!
FUN TIMES!

OZ

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#35  September 11, 2008, 02:32:00 am
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Djoulz said, September 11, 2008, 12:08:02 am
or should i say "no order" (as in there are no restrictions,only a proper behaviour.)

Without restrictions, there is no 'proper' behavior.
What actions are deemed proper, are dictated by the restrictions and expectations of the society in which you live.

Therefore, deeming any action 'proper' or 'inproper' would be hypocritical.
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#36  September 11, 2008, 02:37:23 am
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Egor said, September 10, 2008, 06:49:30 pm
anarchy is alot like communism.
no it's not: have you read someone saying otherwise?? i didnt!

i was refering to the fact that they both work out in theroy, not that it's the same beliefs.

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works good on paper but thats about as far as it will go.
works like a charm if you live it,honestly and completly!
direct your attention to the next point, please

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for anarchy/communism to work, you've got to have everyone in on the game.
anarchy is not a matter of number of people,its a matter of order,or should i say "no order" (as in there are no restrictions,only a proper behaviour..doesnt mean everyone runs around naked and randomly kill people  --; )... but it's doable on a lower scale,true, like at the level of a community but impossible at the level of a society or country..


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ya, thats what i ment.
Everyone has to have similar moral values.  Ironically, either type of government, anarchy or democracy, people would have to conform to one idea.  You'd have to be able pull a stepford wives on the "outcast" to do that.

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#37  September 11, 2008, 02:47:30 am
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final fantasy VIII >>>>> final fantasy VII
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#38  September 11, 2008, 06:43:35 am
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Well... you guys are too much into "joker is a anarchist" stuff... well... he is not. he is an agent of chaos.
and chaos is not Anarchy.


yep. all that Iced said is true, to chaos that is. and chaos is preetty much the end of our society as it is.


As said by ergor, Anarchy is beyond that. It is the natural order. Anarchy does not means "no rules". Anarchy means "No government".

more specifically, no representative government.

All countries represented in this board are democratic countries. however, they are not democratic by the actual meaning of the word.

back in ancient greece (Athens, IINM), the original democracy where done by all of its citizens (which, in this case, where all the born greek, Males and 18+ years old). sure, it were not ALL  of the population (which had children, women and slaves), but for they culture, it was the part of the population that mattered. and when a problem affected the population as a whole, all the citizens were called to discuss and vote a solution.

was this scenario that inspired the Revolutionaries on the French revolution to create modern democracy.

the problem that arrised was that the goal was to include EVERY ONE BORN HUMAN, as said by the then-recently-written Bill of Human rights. but that was just too many. how we call everyone to vote?

simple: we don't. let's elect representants of each demographic and let the representants discuss and vote for solutions. then they pass the decision to his voters.

and so the House of Representatives was born. together with the Senate, a insitution dated from the roman empire, they form the legislative, the ones responsible to create the laws of a country, which are enforced by the police.


The problem is the very human nature Iced mentioned: what seem a good idea at the beginning, was corrupted. instead of representing the people, The legislative started only caring about the Elite, the guys with enough money to buy any vote necessary. the majority of the population was alienated, whitout even understanding how things worked.

However, it was not until Marx published "The Capital" that a true alternative for representative democracy was conceived.

Marx, studying human history through its economics, predict that human society would pass trough several stages.

First, there was Primitvie communism, when man hunted and gathered the food for its community, and the results of this were shared between everyone.

Second, came the Slave Society, where the workers were a sub-class, owned by the elite as property, and the results of its work were given to the elite.

the third stage was Feudalism. here, the Elite owns the land. the peasants farm the land, and give the product the the elite, in exchange of protection (from enemies, the weather, etc...).

the forth stage was Capitalism, where the Elite owned the means of production, the the workers, the work force. in exchange for capital (which gives several rights inside the community), the worked used the means of production, but did not owned the product. the last was owned by te elite, which sell it to the workers themselves.

According to Marx, Communism would be a natural evolution of capitalism, where the workers would get the means of production for themselves, owning the product, and sharing it among everyone else, which would be similar to the first stage, but on a much larger scale.


Real socialism can be considered a corruption of the communist ideal, since Russia (and the many countries tha adopted it) did not passed through the Capitalist stage. also, it deteriorated into a dictatorship, in which the State was now the owner of means of production and products, becoming a elite itself, something that would not happen on communism.

In Socialism,there were still representatives. the Party and its highter members were the ones to decide things for the population.
since the workers did not actually participated on decisions, they did not actually owned neither the means of production, much less the product.

so, the government was the only thing that was keeping human society to advance to the next level. that is where Anarchy enters.

in Anarchy, each citizen is consciously aware of his rights and duties. everything is shared simply because everyone is aware that without it, they would collapse. society runs by itself, without the need of a higher power saying that. everyone knows and agrees with the rules. this can be achieve through proper education.

As people stated it seems good in theory, but it is hardly pratical. at best, small villages or communities, never a true "society" or a "country".


it here that you guys forget where you are.


You are not in Brazil, hearing me saying this words for you. as i'm not in your country, saying them to you.

Mass communication. Instant mass communication (RSS feeds for instance). as time goes by, more and more people use the internet as a mean of communications. entire groups and societies are build in ways that crosses phisical borders.

A Man in russia can discuss with someone in china about the problems that the dude from england had in implementing the methods from the guy in Uruguay.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES ANARCHY POSSIBLE IN A LARGE SCALE IN A NOT-SO DISTANT FUTURE.

as the rules of society would be easily available for everyone, and everyone would have a point in discussing it, you would no longer need central government. people would be able to govern themselves.

need a decision about constructing a new power plant in Brazil? throw it around the Web, and let everyone interested discuss. instantly through the web.

of course, not all the 6 billion will discuss. but EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE CHANCE. while the brazilians are discussing, a guy in switzerland might have a better option. he simply enters the discussion (as we do here on teh board) and say "Hey, why do this way, if we can do like this? and there goes the link with the powerpoint presentation of hamster powered turbines.


that is Anarchy. Having people responsible for themselves, their peers and their planet. having everyone keeping each other safe. having a true human community, and why not, "a brotherhood of men".

True order. True responsability. that is Anarchy.

and that is why I'm a Anarchist.

I believe in the means of communications. I belive that with sharing the information, sharing the means (specially the digital ones) and having people being educated to truly respect others, instead of fearing a higher authority (whichever nature it is), we can start the building blocks to achieve the Global Anarchist Society.

but our own world is headed to chaos. which will lead to ultimate suffering. unfortunately, until this day, the only way humans can truly start to change is by ultimate suffering. (think of japan after WWII).

the contradicitions of our society are starting to show: we are consumers, but we are just too many for the planet to handle. the elite's hunger for power is becoming unmanengeable. the old instituions can no longer keep themselves living (the music industry is just the first to fall). Information can no longer be restrained. our society is crumbling, and can no longer handle itself.

unfortunately, i'm no scholar, or important. Through all my knowledge, I still did not find no alternative to chaos. and the ones who can find this alternative are too busy trying to keep this old engine running, instead of truly changing things.


so, all i can say is, dark times are coming. the stuff iced mentioned is already happening. people are losing the grip of what moral and respect is, and that is the most basicaly rule of any society, anarchist or not.

we are heading straight to chaos. so be ready, 'cause if you find thing bad these days, they will get worse. much worse.



Last Edit: September 11, 2008, 06:51:14 am by Tony 3rd

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#39  September 11, 2008, 07:30:18 am
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Still doubt it'll ever actually work...
But then again I'm not great at predicting the future.
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