Judicator Spiral said, September 19, 2004, 09:58:04 pmThat tile does not mess anything up in my Firefox.Quoteedit:Hey, did you just change it?
Messatsu said, September 20, 2004, 02:28:57 amWhat is popular isn't always right. What is right isn't always popular. The request forum doesn't need these hostilities. Please redirect your anger to the feedback forum.More importantly, this forum or Dev won't change to this ever. Oh, and Splode's stuff is still available at the same place it has been for three or four years. (1 weeks ago)Well, let me answer part by part:QuoteWhat is popular isn't always right. What is right isn't always popular. Not quite democratic, even though this forum isn't a democracy. Actually, I wasn't speaking about right or wrong, but about popular and impopular.QuoteThe request forum doesn't need these hostilities. Please redirect your anger to the feedback forum.Which hostilities? Just showing a different viewpoint? Still, I agree about this place being better suited than that one. QuoteMore importantly, this forum or Dev won't change to this ever. Something I never even mentioned, mindless of my own opinion. QuoteOh, and Splode's stuff is still available at the same place it has been for three or four years. (1 weeks ago)And why not posting that link at once and saving all those chars sent to ppl? ???
QuoteNot quite democratic, even though this forum isn't a democracy. Actually, I wasn't speaking about right or wrong, but about popular and impopular.It was democratic to go to war, but can you justify any war. President Bush was elected "Democraticly". Democracy has all too many flaws, but I won't get into that.The creators hold the only worth while opinions in this matter. It is basically their property. The majority of them have decided this is the best way. The alternative is that none of these releases meet the public.QuoteAnd why not posting that link at once and saving all those chars sent to ppl? It is "illegal" to distribute that link.
QuoteIt was democratic to go to war, but can you justify any war. President Bush was elected "Democraticly". Democracy has all too many flaws, but I won't get into that.Good, because you didn't understand me (and critizing democracy, dude, points quite obviously that you've never lived under a dictatorship like we've had! ): the other person was stating that MOST people would agree to this particular Mugen ethics' code. I said that such a fact was arguable and that a poll would be appropiate to point that. Thus your critics on democracy are quite out of place... and Bush, and war, and so on. If ppl in USA can't implement democracy correctly, doesn't mean the Greek didn't concieve it so about 2300 years ago, but I won't get into that. QuoteThe creators hold the only worth while opinions in this matter. It is basically their property. The majority of them have decided this is the best way. The alternative is that none of these releases meet the public.I agree... partially. One can publish or not what one does, but haven't things got worse and worse over the years? Haven't more and more secluded and closed communities given "secret links" and "private releases"? I personally think this is a loss to the Mugen scene. Not that any one that creates takes my opinion into account, I think it is good to rethink some stuff many people here take for granted. Maybe encouragement towards private releases and secluded communities will just kill the scene gradually, maybe not. I think thinking about it won't harm anyone. Quote It is "illegal" to distribute that link. Define "illegal".
Quoteand critizing democracy, dude, points quite obviously that you've never lived under a dictatorship like we've had! I don't have to live in ignorance to know ignorance. Democracy is flawed absent of its level of implementation. It is the very idea of it, not the example I live in.Quotethe other person was stating that MOST people would agree to this particular Mugen ethics' code. I said that such a fact was arguable and that a poll would be appropiate to point that. Who people? Which code? ???Can you tell me what has been private and what has not? Fact is, you won't know. A large part of the reason that creations have flowed in fewer numbers is that most characters have been converted multiple times. How can you get someone motivated to create a character that is only an iota better than the last one??QuoteDefine "illegal".I would be disowneded.
QuoteI don't have to live in ignorance to know ignorance. Democracy is flawed absent of its level of implementation. It is the very idea of it, not the example I live in.I deeply disagree in this one, but I think we both would agree regarding that this is NOT the issue here. You can be emperor whenever you want, dude. Quote Who people? Which code? ???Can you tell me what has been private and what has not? Fact is, you won't know. A large part of the reason that creations have flowed in fewer numbers is that most characters have been converted multiple times. How can you get someone motivated to create a character that is only an iota better than the last one??You said it: a part of the reasons. I still believe that a lot of non-requestable, non-downloadable, ultra-zekret stuff is stopping many ppl from getting into Mugen, and turning a lot of others into "I hate Warehouses!" drones. Considering the fact of the gazillions chars/stages still unconverted, I would say the one you mentioned is a small part of the reasons, not a big one.And you know what I mean by "private", fella. Like that address you won't give. QuoteI would be disowneded.Nice sharing. A point I'ld like to remark here is I still think creators have the last word here; but not the only one. Should an organized alternate host page for as many creations as possible show up, with updates from creators and working with them, not against them, I think we all would have a nicer time. Abandoncharhouses are as bad as crybaby creators that just want to brag about their "private" work: they upset other people.
Lasombra Demon said, September 20, 2004, 02:55:21 amNot quite democratic, even though this forum isn't a democracy. yeah, but the leaders care about ppl's opinions... that's why this thread exists
Kung Fu Nut said, September 20, 2004, 01:26:52 pmjust noticed I can add polls to threads just noticed I can remove my previous vote
QuoteA point I'ld like to remark here is I still think creators have the last word here; but not the only one. Should an organized alternate host page for as many creations as possible show up, with updates from creators and working with them, not against them, I think we all would have a nicer time. Abandoncharhouses are as bad as crybaby creators that just want to brag about their "private" work: they upset other people.If you are really in favor of something like that, put the wheels in motion instead of just talking all of the time.QuoteYou can be emperor whenever you want, dude. I don't believe in a dictatorship. It is just that not everyone (read most) is fit to rule, even themselves.
QuoteIf you are really in favor of something like that, put the wheels in motion instead of just talking all of the time.Would YOU be in favor of such a thing? Would this community be so? Well, I'll start a poll...Which Forum do you think I should start it in?gets ready for getting flamed over and over againQuoteI don't believe in a dictatorship. It is just that not everyone (read most) is fit to rule, even themselves.Agreed.
Lasombra Demon said, September 21, 2004, 04:48:25 amQuoteIf you are really in favor of something like that, put the wheels in motion instead of just talking all of the time.Would YOU be in favor of such a thing? Would this community be so? Well, I'll start a poll...Which Forum do you think I should start it in?Junk forum.
QuoteAgreed. ??? Doesn't democracy include everyone!? ???QuoteWould YOU be in favor of such a thing? Would this community be so? It is uploaded by the creators. Do I need to baby sit them uploading their own stuff. Maybe you could get Mugen Archive to do this. ???QuoteWell, I'll start a poll...What for?QuoteWhich Forum do you think I should start it in?^
"Does the warmaster truly wish a disquisition upon the New Republic's perverse system of government? It has to do with a bizarre concept called democracy, in which ruling power is given to whoever is most skillful at directing the herd instincts of the largest masses of their most ignorant citizens--"QuoteWhat exactly are we trying to vote forIf it hadn't already been tried, I'd say we vote to end all votes. Actually, I have no forum suggestions to make right now. Grant Valodim a rest, everyone."In my empire, would you like a world for each of your children, or will they need whole systems to rule?"
