The Mugen Fighters Guild - Warnings v2

Bizarro Santamorphman

Re: Warnings v2

#2741 October 24, 2014, 10:44:35 pm

Christmas isn't about getting into clubs, Zorak!

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Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2742 October 31, 2014, 03:03:41 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

toonar is deleting his posts in order to change his responses, is this an issue?

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Xan

Re: Warnings v2

#2743 October 31, 2014, 03:04:29 am

Yeah.

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Umezono said, September 09, 2014, 01:53:10 pm

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Alpaca-San said, December 27, 2014, 08:50:31 am

Is finding MUGEN to be more enjoyable to play when you're not wearing clothes an underrated opinion?

The Simplistic Fubini

Re: Warnings v2

#2744 November 27, 2014, 04:08:32 pm

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Banned JANUS DIOS for 3 days, pretty sure he'll end up permabanned later.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2745 November 30, 2014, 12:24:32 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

Regarding the Omega situation, I have issued a warning to all users in the "Anime and Manga" thread to cut out attacking him over his posts. Since this is a repeat issue, I ask all you guys also take it seriously and take action if you see this problem arise. If anyone need further info, I have PMs, posts and other material I can provide

The Simplistic Fubini

Re: Warnings v2

#2746 November 30, 2014, 02:14:33 am

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He's still posting like an airhead. The mean spirited replies are completely understandable.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2747 November 30, 2014, 02:18:28 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

No they are not. He was told to ignore people who have antagonized him in the past by staff, which he did. Most of his posts are informative links. The post in question was deliberately misinterpreted as well.

Explain to me again why acting like a douchebag is acceptable in this case? Even cursory research shows his posts are non-confrontational, and the worst he can be accused of is not knowing what everyones least fave anime is. The posts are absolutely not understandable and its kind of worrisome youd think they are. Im pretty sure regular members dont want to see the staff encouraging attacking a member over not knowing something.

The Simplistic Fubini

Re: Warnings v2

#2748 November 30, 2014, 02:29:59 am

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His individual post are harmless, but when you put them together you realize he's quite incompetent at interacting with other people. He breaks the flow of conversations and his links are borderline spam, even in the rare instances in which other users reply to them he's uncapable of following them; his replies are vague and unconected, even generic at times, it's like he doesn't actually read what other people post. That shit might not be rule breaking behavior, but it's bound to piss off a lot of people and gather negative attention.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2749 November 30, 2014, 02:34:01 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

- we don't moderate social skills
- posting news links is borderline spam? than the "x news that doesnt deserve its own thread" might as well be considered spam threads. posting links to share info is really not such a huge issue.
- breaks what flow? he posts a link and sometimes asks for an opinion, that doesnt constitute anything that disruptive
- generic/vague is not a crime nor is it our problem, and it doesnt justify the responses.

and all of the regardless, my past point stands- we shouldnt be encouraging such behavior. as mods its kind of our job to make sure people arent getting bullied here. i can understand people with post limits who deliberately start controversy, but this is not the case here.

The Simplistic Fubini

Re: Warnings v2

#2750 November 30, 2014, 03:03:21 am

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- Yes we do when shit gets out the of hand. I said Omega's behavior is not ban worthy though.
- Almost nobody's ever grateful for his links, people rarely ever reply to him and when they do he does everything I stated in my previous post. Also, he's been called out for posting unrelated shit from bad blogs in the past.
- If he can't reply properly or step aside he's breaking the flow of the thread.
- We don't, but you cannot expect all of our userbase to ignore it.

Our job isn't babysitting either; when someone acts or talks foolishly, irrationally or obnoxiously he's mocked by his peers; that's normal social interaction. We should step in only when shit gets ou of hand, or when people are being shitheads for absolutely no reason.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2751 November 30, 2014, 03:10:50 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

I realize our job isnt babysitting, but this is a problem issue that has been addressed previously by staff as the responses moved away from regular social interaction into straight up attacking/flaming. It is also our job to ensure threads do not get derailed with irrelevant discussion which is the main goal of what I did here

Also, isnt he basically srepping aside when he doesnt respond anyway?

The Simplistic Fubini

Re: Warnings v2

#2752 November 30, 2014, 04:12:01 am

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That wasn't flaming. That wasn't bullying. That was some good ol' fashioned "bro you made a shitty post and we're making fun of it". It wasn't mod action-worthy harrasment. You overacted.

Last Edit: November 30, 2014, 04:17:56 am by The Simplistic Fubini

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2753 November 30, 2014, 04:26:29 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

.....?

First off, I said that the responses in the past moved away from that. Not here. You misread my post. Unles you eman the rest of the staff overacted as well when they told Omega it was okay to ignore posts.

Second, stopping a thread from derailing is overaction? I'm glad youre all for making fun of people but just ignoring a thread derail is kind of underacting to me. as I have been stressing.

Last Edit: November 30, 2014, 04:30:20 am by Umezono

Just No Point

Re: Warnings v2

#2754 November 30, 2014, 04:44:05 am

I'm inclined to agree with Fubini. There's been sort of a middle ground allowance for this recurring incident. Where these kinds of replies to Omega are "allowed" as long as they don't cross into straight insults.

There is a saying about insanity and allowing things to repeat though. I don't know if umezono should react the same way in a future situation. Perhaps stick to things he may have learned in this altercation. Like not asking the thread derail to stop while being accusing right off the bat. That made people inclined to defend their actions more and explain their side. Resulting in more derail.

If someone feels they interpret a post better(like umezono interpreted the post correctly here) simply state that with the direction to stop the derail. It's better to think of a post positively and hope a user doesn't come back and say they meant the negative view instead :p

So while this isn't the typical method it is nice to try something new to resolve the problem instead of the same old same old. And it allowed Omega to make a very nice post explaining how the pokes make him feel and why he does or does not respond in certain ways.

Posts like that help remind us he's a regular person not trying to be mischievous.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2755 November 30, 2014, 04:49:50 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

fair enough though i really didnt, I just asked people to stop (by saying his post was fine) and when people said it was fine to do it cause hes a bad poster, etc THATS when i started defending his posts and condemning there

as ive said a million times, my first post just wanted to end the derail. im not moderating peoples feelings as fubini seems to be accusing me of, when we got into that i was simply debating.

Last Edit: November 30, 2014, 04:58:06 am by Umezono

Just No Point

Re: Warnings v2

#2756 November 30, 2014, 05:03:23 am

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he didnt say it was these comments hes reffering to, and theres nothing wrong with his post, kindly get off his back.

edit: woops my phone quoted for me. didnt mean to quote one person, this is for all of you.

I'm actually quoting this from byakko's super quote so if it's not your 1st reply on the subject correct me. Cell phone this was easier.
The intent of that post is hard to see as just a claim to stop the derail. I like the conversation that sparked because of it but I can see how it'd look like you came across more defending Omega. Which isn't bad. Heck, things like this probably should happen every now and then.

But now that it gave us this discussion the next time I feel it'd be better to sound more neutral. That's all I'm suggesting.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2757 November 30, 2014, 05:05:11 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

no prob, didnt know the tone was bad. just dont want to be written off as having attacked peoples opinions as basis for my moderation as i am being accused.

that post was solely to stop people from continuing that discussion

Just No Point

Re: Warnings v2

#2758 November 30, 2014, 05:15:16 am

So you needed someone else to come in and post a positive view on your initial post?! :p hah

Nah, it's just that users were annoyed with Omega so when you come post you have to consider how your post may be read. The mentality of the person reading plays a big role. If they are annoyed at someone and you direct a statement towards a certain "side " it can be read internally in a way that irks more. Especially since this has never happened like this. No one has attempted to stop a potential flare up at such an early stage so it feels to them as if you jumped the gun too.

And don't think I'm getting on to you for any such posts. I just want it to help us if it comes up again in this form or another later.

Umezono

Re: Warnings v2

#2759 November 30, 2014, 05:32:10 am

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

lol, yeah like anyone cares im a bad guy now 4ever

the decision to stop the posts was based on the fact he has gone through staff with this before, which assigns more importance to the issue. according to him, people have been told to stop doing this as well

Just No Point

Re: Warnings v2

#2760 November 30, 2014, 05:52:34 am

Yep. That's why in the end I like what you did. But right now you still make it sound completely like Omega is the victim 100%

While At the moment I'm not discussing the individual issues. I'm breaking it down to 2 sides that feel justified with their actions. And since neither side's actions were blatant rule breaking that's when things get tricky and when many of the points Fubini brought up are true.

I just want to make sure you understand the backlash you got. I'm glad you stepped up to try this. I tend to ere on the side of the "bullied " too. But if you can only see the one side it can slowly lead to a shift too far. I never want Guild to go back to the volatile ways of old, but there is a point where everyone can become to "nice" as well. We need to keep a certain balance.

This is different. As you said this is something that has almost gotten certain users banned. It's been happening for a long time and I commend you on the new approach to an old problem.

Heck, I may even be misinterpreting your posts a bit. But as I said earlier, it's important that you understand why there was some backlash from users and some staff alike.

Clarification edit: please don't read my post as backlash as well =p just by me using the word so often may be making you read this more negatively than I intend! OMG! Now I made "backlash" be a trigger to umezono!!!

Last Edit: November 30, 2014, 06:07:50 am by Just No Point

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