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What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#1  February 05, 2010, 07:07:33 pm
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Can anyone tell me what's the difference of the two ????

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#2  February 05, 2010, 07:12:34 pm
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Why don't you look at the damn update list
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#3  February 05, 2010, 07:17:00 pm
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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#4  February 05, 2010, 07:43:39 pm
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Byakko said, February 05, 2010, 07:12:34 pm
Why don't you look at the damn update list

Because some people are not computer/internet savvy. Remember that everyone starts as a noob.

Byakko is right though, check out Elecbyte's site. Because the new version is only a release candidate, I recommend only switching to it, if you are using a 16:9 aspect ratio monitor. 

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#5  February 05, 2010, 07:49:09 pm
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Shamrock, is 2nd The Best said, February 05, 2010, 07:43:39 pm
Because some people are not computer/internet savvy. Remember that everyone starts as a noob.
... Since when do you need to be Internet-savvy to click the "Update History" link that is literally right next to the download link for Mugen itself on Elecbyte's site ? ??? I mean, it says "Download ZIP - README - Update History", you do not need to study computers for 5 years to understand that. Any "n00b" can see that.
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#8  February 05, 2010, 08:09:41 pm
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#9  February 05, 2010, 08:26:41 pm
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#10  February 05, 2010, 08:42:31 pm
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click the "Update History" link that is literally right next to the download link for Mugen itself on Elecbyte's site
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#11  February 05, 2010, 08:47:05 pm
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It doesn't say OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1 on Elecbyte's website.

Maybe she just read the forum titles. :o
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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#12  February 06, 2010, 07:51:12 am
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Byakko said, February 05, 2010, 07:49:09 pm
Shamrock, is 2nd The Best said, February 05, 2010, 07:43:39 pm
Because some people are not computer/internet savvy. Remember that everyone starts as a noob.
... Since when do you need to be Internet-savvy to click the "Update History" link that is literally right next to the download link for Mugen itself on Elecbyte's site ? ??? I mean, it says "Download ZIP - README - Update History", you do not need to study computers for 5 years to understand that. Any "n00b" can see that.

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#13  February 06, 2010, 10:02:03 am
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the tutorial documents look way better  ;D
no more doubleres = 2 (matters for me  >:( )
support widescreen
new state controller
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still can play most older characters

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#15  February 06, 2010, 11:39:05 am
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It'll play any old character that was coded properly. It won't play things that were coded shit. This is a good way to filter your roster. If a character doesn't load in mugen 1.0 you should delete it.


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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#16  February 06, 2010, 01:57:27 pm
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^-- That sounds like what happened between DOSMugen and WinMugen. You know, with the SFF and palettes.
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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#17  February 06, 2010, 06:13:56 pm
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Are the characters of DOSMUGEN playable in WINMUGEN? I have an older version of MUGEN, probably should I say DOSMUGEN... I tried the characters of DOSMUGEN in WINMUGEN... But the message says "character needs to be updated"...

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#18  February 06, 2010, 09:38:48 pm
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Characters that work on WinMugen normally should work on Mugen 1.0.
Depending on how it was made, a character from DOSMugen may not work on WinMugen. And then there was the older versions of DOSMugen, where the names and all didn't even have quotes, among other random coding details.
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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#19  February 07, 2010, 02:38:47 am
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madlax418 said, February 06, 2010, 06:13:56 pm
Are the characters of DOSMUGEN playable in WINMUGEN? I have an older version of MUGEN, probably should I say DOSMUGEN... I tried the characters of DOSMUGEN in WINMUGEN... But the message says "character needs to be updated"...

there is this small drag and drop application to convert dos char into winmugen
dos2win

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#20  February 07, 2010, 05:19:11 am
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navetsea said, February 07, 2010, 02:38:47 am
madlax418 said, February 06, 2010, 06:13:56 pm
Are the characters of DOSMUGEN playable in WINMUGEN? I have an older version of MUGEN, probably should I say DOSMUGEN... I tried the characters of DOSMUGEN in WINMUGEN... But the message says "character needs to be updated"...

there is this small drag and drop application to convert dos char into winmugen
dos2win

I tried that already, but still didn't work... It still says "character needs to be update"

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#21  February 07, 2010, 09:09:10 am
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Read the full message about what the error is and fix it.
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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#22  February 07, 2010, 12:29:29 pm
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madlax418 said, February 07, 2010, 05:19:11 am
navetsea said, February 07, 2010, 02:38:47 am
madlax418 said, February 06, 2010, 06:13:56 pm
Are the characters of DOSMUGEN playable in WINMUGEN? I have an older version of MUGEN, probably should I say DOSMUGEN... I tried the characters of DOSMUGEN in WINMUGEN... But the message says "character needs to be updated"...

there is this small drag and drop application to convert dos char into winmugen
dos2win

I tried that already, but still didn't work... It still says "character needs to be update"

then there something is poorly coded perhaps. like command move name without "..."
or => instead of >= things like that beyond the converter detection

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#23  February 07, 2010, 06:47:57 pm
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Byakko said, February 07, 2010, 09:09:10 am
Read the full message about what the error is and fix it.

Hellooooo? I'm not a character programmer... Sorry for that... :(

navetsea said, February 07, 2010, 12:29:29 pm
then there something is poorly coded perhaps. like command move name without "..."
or => instead of >= things like that beyond the converter detection

So I need to edit the CMD file, and put some quotations on the command lines? What about the CNS? Does it need editing too?
Last Edit: February 07, 2010, 06:51:59 pm by madlax418

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#24  February 07, 2010, 06:55:33 pm
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madlax418 said, February 07, 2010, 06:47:57 pm
Hellooooo? I'm not a character programmer... Sorry for that... :(
then read the full message, tell us what it is and THEN we'll see what to do to help you... We can't do anything for you if you don't tell us what Mugen tells you.

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So I need to edit the CMD file, and put some quotations on the command lines? What about the CNS? Does it need editing too?
Again, it depends on the error Mugen gives you. This is not magic where we just tell Mugen "fix it" and bam it works.
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#25  February 07, 2010, 07:02:04 pm
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Byakko said, February 07, 2010, 06:55:33 pm
madlax418 said, February 07, 2010, 06:47:57 pm
Hellooooo? I'm not a character programmer... Sorry for that... :(
then read the full message, tell us what it is and THEN we'll see what to do to help you... We can't do anything for you if you don't tell us what Mugen tells you.

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So I need to edit the CMD file, and put some quotations on the command lines? What about the CNS? Does it need editing too?
Again, it depends on the error Mugen gives you. This is not magic where we just tell Mugen "fix it" and bam it works.

Sometimes the message says "error loading p1"...

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#26  February 07, 2010, 07:08:32 pm
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Is that all the message you get?

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#27  February 07, 2010, 07:19:50 pm
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Bastard Kagami~n said, February 07, 2010, 07:08:32 pm
Is that all the message you get?

No... There are other messages aside from that as well, but I forgot about it... I'll try it again, and see what other message I will get, I'll post it sooner or later... Thanks for helping me...  :D

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#28  February 07, 2010, 07:29:55 pm
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Take a screenshot of the error message and post it here to see what we can do.

BTW, since this thread turned into this should this be moved to M.U.G.E.N Configuration Help?

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Re: What's the difference between OLDER MUGEN and MUGEN 1.0+?
#29  February 07, 2010, 07:37:43 pm
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Or leave this topic alone and create a new one in the appropriate section when you get the FULL, EXACT (I insist because it's important, really) error message(s).
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#30  February 07, 2010, 07:38:18 pm
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Bastard Kagami~n said, February 07, 2010, 07:29:55 pm
Take a screenshot of the error message and post it here to see what we can do.

BTW, since this thread turned into this should this be moved to M.U.G.E.N Configuration Help?

Ok... I'll do that...

Byakko said, February 07, 2010, 07:37:43 pm
Or leave this topic alone and create a new one in the appropriate section when you get the FULL, EXACT (I insist because it's important, really) error message(s).

I'll create a new TOPIC in M.U.G.E.N Configuration Help section. As soon as I found the error messages, and post it...
Last Edit: February 07, 2010, 07:49:14 pm by madlax418

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#31  February 07, 2010, 08:21:55 pm
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M.U.G.E.N Configuration Help
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#32  February 07, 2010, 08:43:10 pm
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#34  February 07, 2010, 11:51:22 pm
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Oh, don't laugh, typos happen. It's so easy to mistype configuration help for development help.
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#35  February 08, 2010, 07:14:20 am
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#36  February 08, 2010, 02:28:19 pm
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#37  February 08, 2010, 03:04:29 pm
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Byakko said, February 07, 2010, 11:51:22 pm
Oh, don't laugh, typos happen. It's so easy to mistype configuration help for development help.
Byakko being nice to a noob?

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Cyanide said, February 06, 2010, 11:39:05 am
It'll play any old character that was coded properly. It won't play things that were coded shit. This is a good way to filter your roster. If a character doesn't load in mugen 1.0 you should delete it.
Actually, if Elecbyte's aim is for full legacy support, their parser should be IDENTICAL. :P

Personally, I would prefer the engine to 'scan' the whole char and point out the mistakes so we can fix'em. Just crashing amidst a match when a faulty state is loaded is quite frustrating. :(

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#38  February 09, 2010, 04:30:22 am
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My stuff crashes before the match starts if it's broken. I haven't had a mid state crash for years.

I wonder if this'll let me sort out that debug spam in deuce's jedah. I just cannot FIND it.


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#39  February 10, 2010, 12:45:45 am
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#40  February 10, 2010, 08:45:51 am
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Lasombra Demon said, February 08, 2010, 03:04:29 pm
Byakko said, February 07, 2010, 11:51:22 pm
Oh, don't laugh, typos happen. It's so easy to mistype configuration help for development help.
Byakko being nice to a noob?

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Cyanide said, February 06, 2010, 11:39:05 am
It'll play any old character that was coded properly. It won't play things that were coded shit. This is a good way to filter your roster. If a character doesn't load in mugen 1.0 you should delete it.
Actually, if Elecbyte's aim is for full legacy support, their parser should be IDENTICAL. :P

Personally, I would prefer the engine to 'scan' the whole char and point out the mistakes so we can fix'em. Just crashing amidst a match when a faulty state is loaded is quite frustrating. :(

mid match crash is more memory related than state error I believe, stucked character might happen though, but not a complete crash due to a faulty state.

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#41  February 10, 2010, 10:59:58 pm
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nah, they also happen, those are weird, tho. I have had mid match crashes happen in mugen with 8 chars or less and having only 2 very simple chars (memory wise) on screen.
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