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Why keep characters private?
#1  January 30, 2010, 03:04:40 am
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Continued from my request thread, so that it doesn't get closed.

Why do people make a character and then either keep it to themselves or release it only to a few people? It must take a lot of work, so why one wouldn't want their stuff to be enjoyed by all, I don't know. I was questioning it in the request thread I made and was told by Orochi Gill that I have "no courtesy" for people who make characters.

Are you for real? How do you figure? I simply think it's counterintuitive to growing the MUGEN community. I've read the history of MUGEN, I've heard about what happened when they tried keeping winmugen private. Those people became full of themselves, almost feeling like they were better than others who didn't have access to it. Why is this supposed to be a good thing? I mean, if I were capable of making stuff, I would definitely want to share it.

Unfortunately then you get the inverse, which is horrible shitty broken pieces of crap that get released when they should have been aborted...

So perhaps Orochi Gill could explain themselves, or retract the statement, since it's just not true whatsoever. I simply do not know why people would choose to do this is all. And really my request thread isn't the place for that discussion, so here we are.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#2  January 30, 2010, 03:13:12 am
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Re: Why keep characters private?
#3  January 30, 2010, 03:14:45 am
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The only reason I can think of why people keep characters private is because they only want a "few" people to test it so they would make it better without all the bashing. In other words "private" beta so that one day when they do release them, it would wow the community.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#4  January 30, 2010, 03:18:48 am
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Do you know it exists? If the answer is yes then it's not private.

Are you going to get it by moaning about it, no.

When someone makes a character it's because they want to. If they only release it to a select group of people afterwards that's THEIR decision, not yours.

Also, your facts aren't right. The winmugen beta (with 2 characters total) was meant to be private for the donators. It went completely public when elecbyte left and wasn't kept private at all. In fact, no engine releases have ever been private, they've always been very public.

SOME characters are private. You don't know about those because the people haven't put anything about them out there.

What you're mostly complaining about i would think are either unreleased/canceled wips (they happen) or twats on youtube who take good characters, swap the sprites and treat them as new, then hold them away from you. These characters are the
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horrible shitty broken pieces of crap that get released when they should have been aborted...
you are speaking of. Do not bother.


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Re: Why keep characters private?
#5  January 30, 2010, 03:21:22 am
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no one is obligate to release anything.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#6  January 30, 2010, 03:42:39 am
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Re: Why keep characters private?
#7  January 30, 2010, 03:46:51 am
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So you can make a thread complaining.

No one is obligated to release, as Eternaga said.

There's a number of reasons people don't want to release; it could be blatantly overpowered, stolen, secretive, or the person could just not want to release it.

Everyone has a different mindset. Many just happen to be different from the one you have.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#8  January 30, 2010, 03:49:06 am
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There are many reasons to keep private, and many reasons to release, you cant find all of them :P

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#9  January 30, 2010, 03:52:23 am
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Yeah, I don't think most of you are getting the point here. This isn't "complaining". It's just wondering why people do it is all. Complaining would be talking about how much it sucks cause I really want to play with their cool stuff and getting mad about it.

Rather, I'm more interested in why people choose to do it.

Honestly, you don't have to assume the worst here.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#10  January 30, 2010, 03:54:02 am
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I have lots of private characters.

Why!

Because they are not fully cooked. You wouldn't want to get Salmonella would you?

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#11  January 30, 2010, 03:55:33 am
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Another reason is people make them for friends.
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Re: Why keep characters private?
#12  January 30, 2010, 03:56:48 am
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mmm, salmonella. :p

See, now that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. Why do you choose to keep them private?

I guess the thing you guys have to know about me is I have always been interested in "why" and "how". It's not complaining. One of my favourite sites is howstuffworks.com (and if you haven't been there, it's an awesome site.) So it's just my curiousity coming through.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#13  January 30, 2010, 03:58:59 am
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Probably because he has a friend that he promised?
Its pretty much a dick move to do that to a friend.  or an internet buddy. 
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Re: Why keep characters private?
#14  January 30, 2010, 04:21:02 am
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I think some authors do not release their chars because they have cost too much work on them, or maybe not, who knows...  :-\

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#15  January 30, 2010, 04:37:35 am
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A person could want to keep thier works private because they're probably woried about thieves.

I hate thieves...  >:(
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Re: Why keep characters private?
#16  January 30, 2010, 04:44:34 am
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vgmaster2.0 said, January 30, 2010, 04:37:35 am
A person could want to keep thier works private because they're probably woried about thieves.

I hate thieves...  >:(

You're absolutely right. For example, if I'm doing a char from several months (one edit in this case) which I am drawing each of the sprites (really hard). Suppose now that I finished and launched to the public for all to download, and a thief comes and edit my char in their own way, without my permission, that would be a total act of evil by the thief. I think in that respect I understand the authors do not want to launch their chars.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#17  January 30, 2010, 04:46:37 am
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That's not a common reason. More often than not it's actually because there's something used without authorization and the creator/editor could not obtain permission in some way, thus he chooses not to release (or just wishes not to).

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#18  January 30, 2010, 04:50:04 am
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Oh and that Kof Alfred that was released a year or two ago that was anonymous was programmed by me with help from a friend of mine. It was probably gonna be private forever cause I didn't wanna finish it. It's incomplete dammit. :(

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=87558.0 <--- This.

The Duck King in the stage was put in by my friend because I'm a huge fan of Duck King.

Me and him aren't friends anymore. :(
Last Edit: January 30, 2010, 04:53:22 am by Caddie

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#19  January 30, 2010, 04:52:56 am
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Why a creator would keep a character private?
just  because he want to.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#20  January 30, 2010, 05:10:28 am
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 04:46:37 am
That's not a common reason. More often than not it's actually because there's something used without authorization and the creator/editor could not obtain permission in some way, thus he chooses not to release (or just wishes not to).

Bullshit. If I want to release something yet be politically cool and get supporters of the Mugen Police, I could just leak the thing to a person who is untrustworthy and then bash them when they leak it out.

This would cause a rally of the people that think they control the internet and they would support my anger at the leaking of my creation. Then the guy who was so worried about his own code to call it "closed source" would be mad too. He and I could both be angry.

Then because we are angry together and the only way to stick it to the leaker is for me to do a real release, so then the guy who wouldn't give permission to me now will, so he can get even with the guy that leaked his code in my character.

Meanwhile, I'm releasing a very famous character with stolen code and everyone knows me and supports me because of it.

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Now to answer the question. Why would you have a private character that everyone knows about? Because you want to be famous on the internet and you have a small cock or you are just not finished with it and don't want another person to finish your character before you do.
Last Edit: January 30, 2010, 05:13:44 am by Shamrock, is 3rd the nerd

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#21  January 30, 2010, 05:13:06 am
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Caddie said, January 30, 2010, 04:50:04 am
http://caddie.smeenet.org/duckking.rar

Oh and that Kof Alfred that was released a year or two ago that was anonymous was programmed by me with help from a friend of mine. It was probably gonna be private forever cause I didn't wanna finish it. It's incomplete dammit. :(

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=87558.0 <--- This.

The Duck King in the stage was put in by my friend because I'm a huge fan of Duck King.

Me and him aren't friends anymore. :(

Shit man, sorry to read all that. That probably perfectly illustrates this right here. :(

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#22  January 30, 2010, 05:13:18 am
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I gave that reason based on what I've seen, Shamrock. Though I don't 100% get what that whole paragraph answer meant.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
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Platanito said, January 30, 2010, 04:52:56 am
:O

Why a creator would keep a character private?
just  because he want to.

Sometimes happen, sometimes going for the cause I said earlier. I know people who do not show their sprites for fear of being stolen.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#24  January 30, 2010, 05:18:47 am
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Nemephosis said, January 30, 2010, 05:13:06 am
Shit man, sorry to read all that. That probably perfectly illustrates this right here. :(

Well, it wasn't cause of that, but I wasn't happy about the character being released. It's not anywhere near a standard of quality that I'm happy being associated with.

The Duck King I posted is. It's just, again, not finished. Everyone who knows me knows I have a problem finishing things in Mugen.

Also,

Many of those have obvious reasons why they aren't released. Blah.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#25  January 30, 2010, 05:19:45 am
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Nemephosis said, January 30, 2010, 05:13:06 am


Shit man, sorry to read all that. That probably perfectly illustrates this right here. :(

so did you get your ansewr, i mean we could write more if you want :P

basically though, it's the following:
a) not done
b) don't want to release it to the community for X reason(most popular being: the community sucks, it's not done, i'm creating for myself an d not you guys), which are all valid, i guess.
c) it's sprite swapped or edited, made for a youtube joke or something
d) made for a group of people or a friend rather than the general public
 ;)

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#26  January 30, 2010, 05:20:45 am
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Thanks for making me want that Millenium Castle stage, Caddie. :(

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#27  January 30, 2010, 05:22:52 am
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 05:13:18 am
I gave that reason based on what I've seen, Shamrock. Though I don't 100% get what that whole paragraph answer meant.

I was showing the simple mindedness of the "You don't have permission crowd" which was your reason someone would not release something, so I gave an example of how you could release something that not only wouldn't get the "You don't have permission crowd" angry but how they would praise you for it.

In short, I was showing that if you know about a private creation, then it is only private as a tactic of politics, e-penis, or just to fuck around.

If they are private, you will not know about them, all others are a cock stroke.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#28  January 30, 2010, 05:24:43 am
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I consider works planned to not be released or unreleased at one time to fall under "private". I know you have a different view.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#29  January 30, 2010, 05:27:21 am
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I consider those unreleased. On the idea the OP is talking about in general, as in, he knows people make stuff and don't tell anyone about it but release it in a little group.

The final answer is really "because that's what they want to do" They don't even need good reasons. Some of us code for the fun of it (really) and releasing happens because we want others to enjoy it. If for any reason at all, we don't want to release it, we won't. The reason doesn't have to be good.


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Re: Why keep characters private?
#30  January 30, 2010, 05:28:37 am
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"[MUGEN CREATORS IS UNGRATEFUL! THEY SHOULD SHARE BACK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BE PRIVATE!]"

Seriously, I've seen too many people say that shit. -V-
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YzauR said, January 30, 2010, 05:28:37 am
"[MUGEN CREATORS IS UNGRATEFUL! THEY SHOULD SHARE BACK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BE PRIVATE!]"

Seriously, I've seen too many people say that shit. -V-

I agree with you... There characters will not be popular if they keep it PRIVATE...

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#32  January 30, 2010, 05:58:07 am
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Doesn't always work that way.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
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Well...! As a gamer like us, We should try to understand there feelings...

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#34  January 30, 2010, 06:06:53 am
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Nemephosis said, January 30, 2010, 03:04:40 am
So perhaps Orochi Gill could explain themselves, or retract the statement, since it's just not true whatsoever. I simply do not know why people would choose to do this is all. And really my request thread isn't the place for that discussion, so here we are.

Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 01:45:13 am
It's called courtesy, and obviously you decided to show that you have none whatsoever for creators.

Um, well actually, I remember that Orochi Gill did things like using the whole old unrequestables list from all mugen forums as an actual request list as soon as MI and MFG had another set of rules and he made request topics from that unrequestables list, as many as he wanted...

And MI saw it... in fact I sent him many of the files that he asked for.  But anyway he's known for trying to incite things and problems not caring if he's ok to argue or not, so I wouldn't mind much dude. Plus that character wasn't really hacked from an e-mail, leaked from a trusty friend or anything.... the creator himself made it available a long time ago. And it was just being sent because it was offline now.

Maybe you should just clean that topic and let other people (the really implied ones) worry about it. It's not the first time something like it happens at that request area and won't be the last...

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#35  January 30, 2010, 06:12:31 am
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☠Guardian Angel★☃ said, January 30, 2010, 06:06:53 am
Um, well actually, I remember that Orochi Gill did things like using the whole old unrequestables list from all mugen forums as an actual request list as soon as MI and MFG had another set of rules and he made request topics from that unrequestables list, as many as he wanted...

And MI saw it... in fact I sent him many of the files that he asked for.  But anyway he's known for trying to incite things and problems not caring if he's ok to argue or not, so I wouldn't mind much dude. Plus that character wasn't really hacked from an e-mail, leaked from a trusty friend or anything.... the creator himself made it available a long time ago. And it was just being sent because it was offline now.

Maybe you should just clean that topic and let other people (the really implied ones) worry about it. It's not the first time something like it happens at that request area and won't be the last...

It looks as if you composed that bullshit as a direct attack towards Orochi Gill.

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YzauR said, January 30, 2010, 05:28:37 am
"[MUGEN CREATORS IS UNGRATEFUL! THEY SHOULD SHARE BACK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BE PRIVATE!]"

Seriously, I've seen too many people say that shit. -V-

I agree with you... There characters will not be popular if they keep it PRIVATE...

I said nothing of the sort. ;\
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Yeah Titiln, in fact, You Made Him

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#36  January 30, 2010, 06:22:11 am
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YzauR said, January 30, 2010, 06:12:31 am
It looks as if you composed that bullshit as a direct attack towards Orochi Gill.

Nah, those are actual facts. And I'm just telling Nemephosis that he doesn't really need to worry much about the argument since it's just more like one more normal random poke from OG to someone around MFG that something to actually worry about for...

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#37  January 30, 2010, 06:26:12 am
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No, you basically jumped into the thread to spew irrelevant crap that doesn't make a bit of difference because this is not late 2007 to mid 2008 :V

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#38  January 30, 2010, 06:28:49 am
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That's basically what you did to him at that request thread too though, since that character was also available from 2007... so yeah.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#39  January 30, 2010, 06:31:10 am
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The hell you talking about

Responding to a post that basically says "tough shit" to a creator that had his shit leaked means I'm a hypocrite because the char was leaked in 2007? How does that make sense? Fuck, I wasn't aware of it even back then, and chances are, I still would have no desire to get it because of the fact that it is a leak.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#40  January 30, 2010, 07:09:16 am
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This is stupid.

Just stop. Stop brining up old shit. Stop telling people what they can and can't do with characters. Stop chasing each other around the forum just to bitch at one another. Stop being so harsh to new users.

And don't leak that private character I just sent you both or I will stamp my feet a cry.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#41  January 30, 2010, 07:11:58 am
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Re: Why keep characters private?
#42  January 30, 2010, 07:31:46 am
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 06:31:10 am
The hell you talking about

Responding to a post that basically says "tough shit" to a creator that had his shit leaked means I'm a hypocrite because the char was leaked in 2007? How does that make sense? Fuck, I wasn't aware of it even back then, and chances are, I still would have no desire to get it because of the fact that it is a leak.

Well, more than enough info was posted to prove that the character was uploaded by her same creator and at his own author page. You may call it many things, but leak is not one of them.

Phantom Blood said, January 29, 2010, 11:08:46 pm
If he didn't want it available



Then why put it in a release with a password to guess

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Lo unico malo es que aparentemente tiene un password el char...ahora investigare mas a ver que puedo encontrar...

That's info from 2007. The character beta was not leaked, was released by it's author long ago with a password included with this character: http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=47732.0

And maybe was included again with this one:
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=73019.0

What was released normally can't be leaked. I think I can still find the normal Khriz with the BMG beta included.

The BMG beta from there weights around 2.53 mbs, the normal BMG (if Kalumon is still working on her) might weight around 6.83 mbs and (I think) it has not been leaked. And if it was, it's not the one I sent.

The beta is being sent because Kalumon's page is offline and the files are not being hosted anymore.

The "que madres O_o.rar"" archive included with Khriz during it's releases was Dark Magician Girl (Uploaded by Kalumon in person along with Khriz where anybody can get it), and another person also saw the archive there at the old Khriz release thread:

[Z] said, January 07, 2008, 11:47:16 pm
OK. I'm not fool enough to ask for the password to "que madres O_o.rar", but does anyone even have a clue what's IN it?!

You were explained this before.

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#43  January 30, 2010, 07:38:49 am
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Well, I have a comment to make about this. If anyone watches my YouTube videos, you can notice I have a private character of my own edited from vyn's MvC-EoH Ryu called "MvC-EoH Master Ryu". I have my reasons to keep him private. It's not because I want him for myself, it was just originally based on a Evil Ryu edit that used to be private by DarkCipherLucius (Which is "MvC-EoH Ryu"). I never knew he would release it later. If he did released it earlier, my edit would never exist and I would have been playing with DCL's edit the whole time. So, it really depends why. People have reasons to keep their creations/edits private. You just can't blame them.

Also, I was wondering how some people got the role as a beta tester? Like Orochi Gill for example, I seen his YouTube videos everyday and I've been thinking about this a lot. Maybe in my opinion how, you have to be trustworthy in the whole M.U.G.E.N community and must make good feedback on any creation. Not sure if that the answer though. :P

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#44  January 30, 2010, 07:40:22 am
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Actually, Solid, I'm good friends with MOTVN, dark-shade, and SeanAltly.

EDIT: Oh, and Yzan here too, but the private stuff of his isn't really betas as much as stuff he just doesn't feel like releasing :V
Last Edit: January 30, 2010, 07:44:24 am by Orochi Gill

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#45  January 30, 2010, 07:41:42 am
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Hey!  >:(
Prince Jango said, October 07, 2011, 11:45:18 pm
Yeah Titiln, in fact, You Made Him

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Re: Why keep characters private?
#47  January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
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Fray 2009 will get a release eventually, I think Sean just has it on hold.
MOT doesn't publicly release anymore (though I think he did publicly release Nano Storm at CSX)
dark-shade does plan on releasing Rolento, it's just on hold right now.

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#48  January 30, 2010, 07:56:56 am
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
Fray 2009 will get a release eventually, I think Sean just has it on hold.
I look forward to that. His creations are unique.

Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
MOT doesn't publicly release anymore (though I think he did publicly release Nano Storm at CSX)
MOTVN changed ever since, meaning he's not so friendly to the public anymore. And that's why I backed up every single thing that's made by him (That includes Nano Storm as well).

Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
dark-shade does plan on releasing Rolento, it's just on hold right now.
I look forward to that too. It's been a while that he actually released something.

Ricepigeon

Re: Why keep characters private?
#49  January 30, 2010, 08:01:12 am
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I'm just gonna say this, although I'll just be restating the obvious:

"If its private, then how do you know about it?"

also LOL @ drama

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Alpaca-San said, February 09, 2014, 07:44:05 pm
You limit yourself so badly when you try to avoid variables. When you get over your fear of the "complexity" of variables, you will find yourself in a better place: A beautiful world where coding is actually fun.

DKDC

Re: Why keep characters private?
#50  January 30, 2010, 12:49:48 pm
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Question.
Why would anyone release a creation publicly ?

Bonus question.
Why do people create something to begin with ?
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: January 30, 2010, 02:05:10 pm by Byakko

Cybaster

Re: Why keep characters private?
#51  January 30, 2010, 01:44:04 pm
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Answer : to get bashed.

Bonus answer : because they have nothing better to do in their life.

kakkoii superhero

Re: Why keep characters private?
#52  January 30, 2010, 03:44:02 pm
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there is always a leak to worthy ' private' release... if you can't find them then:
1. you don't try to google it
2. not worthy to get anyway
personally I don't see what so private of the subject (maybe just some stolen this or that that keep the char can't be released on forum) it is not like you're invading and playing around with their privates  :P
so if you like certain char from youtube or something, search and download it,
if you can't find it, move on to something else, just like that
end of story.

Nomechy

Re: Why keep characters private?
#53  January 30, 2010, 04:07:42 pm
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TROLLING

TRO-TRO-TROLLING

Yeah, that works.

No witty quotes though.

Lasombra Demon

Re: Why keep characters private?
#54  January 30, 2010, 05:06:44 pm
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Byakko said, January 30, 2010, 12:49:48 pm
Question.
Why would anyone release a creation publicly ?

Bonus question.
Why do people create something to begin with ?
1) To get proper feedback and improve their stuff. To share and give back to the community. To enlarge their e-penis.

2) Out of curiosity. A comission, maybe? Out of interest. To enlarge their e-penis.

I personally think those who create non-private privates (i.e. 'look at this you can't have it') are those who want to enlarge their penis the most. What else makes you more famous than making a 'rare' character?

Bad News GBK

Re: Why keep characters private?
#55  January 30, 2010, 05:23:32 pm
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movie and music industries try to defend their content with lawsuits.

some mugencreators with "private" content.

both fail often.
Game Art HQ, Community & Blog about game related art (drawn, cosplay art, 3d, sprites, sculptures and more)

Bastard Thedge

Re: Why keep characters private?
#56  January 30, 2010, 06:47:23 pm
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Why not?
That’s when I thought, “good grief”
Just ain’t my belief
Until I saw the holes
Inside his hand

Laxxe23

Re: Why keep characters private?
#57  January 30, 2010, 06:59:15 pm
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
Fray 2009 will get a release eventually, I think Sean just has it on hold.
not if I have anything to say about it
* Laxxe23 cackles and flies off on broomstick
Actually Its most likely getting released after shades 2 comes out, Sean already did his two updates and releases. 
The stuff isnt private, its just not being released yet. 
Im also glad this didnt turn into a rare moojins discussion
Shades 2 site:Shades of Manhattan

mAdLaX

Re: Why keep characters private?
#58  January 30, 2010, 07:00:41 pm
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RicePigeon said, January 30, 2010, 08:01:12 am
I'm just gonna say this, although I'll just be restating the obvious:

"If its private, then how do you know about it?"

also LOL @ drama

You're right about that... And how we should know that this so called PRIVATE CHARACTER are good...

Orochi Gill

Re: Why keep characters private?
#59  January 30, 2010, 07:22:46 pm
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Laxxe23 said, January 30, 2010, 06:59:15 pm
Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
Fray 2009 will get a release eventually, I think Sean just has it on hold.
not if I have anything to say about it
* Laxxe23 cackles and flies off on broomstick
Actually Its most likely getting released after shades 2 comes out, Sean already did his two updates and releases. 
The stuff isnt private, its just not being released yet. 

I know it's not, I just call it a "private beta" if it's in the pre-release stage.

Oh, I forgot to mention Kamekaze and RicePigeon I'm friends with too and they let me test their stuff too :V

mAdLaX

Re: Why keep characters private?
#60  January 30, 2010, 07:25:47 pm
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:22:46 pm
Laxxe23 said, January 30, 2010, 06:59:15 pm
Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:47:34 am
Fray 2009 will get a release eventually, I think Sean just has it on hold.
not if I have anything to say about it
* Laxxe23 cackles and flies off on broomstick
Actually Its most likely getting released after shades 2 comes out, Sean already did his two updates and releases. 
The stuff isnt private, its just not being released yet. 

I know it's not, I just call it a "private beta" if it's in the pre-release stage.

Oh, I forgot to mention Kamekaze and RicePigeon I'm friends with too and they let me test their stuff too :V

Does this FRAY character FEMALE OR MALE...?

Iced

Re: Why keep characters private?
#61  January 30, 2010, 07:31:38 pm
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Psh I have you all beat, i have the private pots, private cybaster, private titiln and private bea, I even have a private rolento
And you cant have it even if you trade a bazillion rare chars for them

DKDC

Re: Why keep characters private?
#62  January 30, 2010, 07:39:32 pm
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If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

mAdLaX

Re: Why keep characters private?
#63  January 30, 2010, 08:33:11 pm
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DKDC

Re: Why keep characters private?
#64  January 30, 2010, 08:55:38 pm
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You mean a list of all the characters he's dated and the characters he did ? Do you want it sorted alphabetically, by gender, by which hole he did them ?
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

Hero

Re: Why keep characters private?
#65  January 30, 2010, 09:38:11 pm
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How this thread grow up 4 pages?

Cyanide

Re: Why keep characters private?
#66  January 30, 2010, 10:08:02 pm
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DRAMA!

Stupid drama too.


In M.U.G.E.N there is no magic button

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

Orochi Gill

Re: Why keep characters private?
#67  January 30, 2010, 10:34:38 pm
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Stupid and unnecessary, since it was unprovoked to begin with.

☠Guardian Angel★☃

Re: Why keep characters private?
#68  January 30, 2010, 10:44:15 pm
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I don't really see drama though. Just some misconceptions, but seems to be the usual...

Ｍｉｄｏｒｉ

Re: Why keep characters private?
#69  January 30, 2010, 11:01:07 pm
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Cybaster

Re: Why keep characters private?
#70  January 30, 2010, 11:18:37 pm
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Iced said, January 30, 2010, 07:31:38 pm
Psh I have you all beat, i have the private pots, private cybaster, private titiln and private bea, I even have a private rolento
And you cant have it even if you trade a bazillion rare chars for them
I want my privates back ! >:(

Bastard Wolf

Re: Why keep characters private?
#71  January 31, 2010, 01:36:10 am
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Iced has Cybaster and others privates and he likes to play with them everyday.

Bastard Mami

Re: Why keep characters private?
#72  January 31, 2010, 01:51:49 am
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your just jellous.

Iced

Re: Why keep characters private?
#73  January 31, 2010, 01:55:19 am
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  • does this look like the face of mercy?

SolidZone 26

Re: Why keep characters private?
#74  January 31, 2010, 04:38:12 am
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Orochi Gill said, January 30, 2010, 07:22:46 pm
Oh, I forgot to mention Kamekaze and RicePigeon I'm friends with too and they let me test their stuff too :V
It must be really hard to be friends with almost every creator in the community. Sigh, that's never gonna happen to me. Consider yourself lucky.

Leon Belmont

Re: Why keep characters private?
#75  January 31, 2010, 04:52:38 am
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If there's a character you really like, but for some reason it's not available or something, just make it yourself !

Chronojiuj

Re: Why keep characters private?
#76  January 31, 2010, 04:59:09 am
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  • *something witty yeah*
Does anyone want my privates?

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J. The E

Re: Why keep characters private?
#77  January 31, 2010, 05:04:13 am
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I'm sure BigSally Does.

The Simplistic Fubini

Re: Why keep characters private?
#78  January 31, 2010, 05:05:58 am
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GT

Re: Why keep characters private?
#79  January 31, 2010, 05:08:04 am
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Really? Can I see your privates please? I'll pay you.
Prince Jango said, October 07, 2011, 11:45:18 pm
Yeah Titiln, in fact, You Made Him

mAdLaX

Re: Why keep characters private?
#80  January 31, 2010, 05:37:17 am
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Byakko said, January 30, 2010, 08:55:38 pm
You mean a list of all the characters he's dated and the characters he did ? Do you want it sorted alphabetically, by gender, by which hole he did them ?

Does his characters HENTAI...? Sorted or unsorted go with the list...

mAdLaX

Re: Why keep characters private?
#81  January 31, 2010, 05:38:12 am
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momo!

Re: Why keep characters private?
#82  January 31, 2010, 05:39:39 am
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i dont think you got that...

mh777

Re: Why keep characters private?
#83  January 31, 2010, 06:32:53 am
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Duos

Re: Why keep characters private?
#84  January 31, 2010, 07:52:56 am
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Another reason that isn't touched upon often is in the case of edits.  The editor, out of respect for the original author, keeps it private simply to avoid misunderstanding and people getting upset.

Bastard Wolf

Re: Why keep characters private?
#85  January 31, 2010, 08:24:58 am
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Luis Alejandro

Re: Why keep characters private?
#86  January 31, 2010, 08:36:33 am
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 o_O
xX-Nero-Xx said, May 22, 2013, 03:27:40 pm
I wouldn't consider that a infinite since you have to make your opponent bounce of the wall and if you do it on the wrong side of the stage the stage interaction would activate.

kakkoii superhero

Re: Why keep characters private?
#87  January 31, 2010, 09:11:08 am
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why can't everybody just play with their own privates and be happy with it, so nobody won't get jealous to people who like flashing off their privates to tease other

mAdLaX

Re: Why keep characters private?
#88  January 31, 2010, 07:06:28 pm
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Ｍｉｄｏｒｉ

Re: Why keep characters private?
#89  January 31, 2010, 07:16:06 pm
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MC2 said, January 31, 2010, 07:52:56 am
Another reason that isn't touched upon often is in the case of edits.  The editor, out of respect for the original author, keeps it private simply to avoid misunderstanding and people getting upset.

In my case, this is so. I have a few nice things i've crafted but I wouldn't want to start any trouble.

Proton Cannon

Re: Why keep characters private?
#90  February 02, 2010, 12:39:51 am
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navetsea said, January 31, 2010, 09:11:08 am
why can't everybody just play with their own privates and be happy with it, so nobody won't get jealous to people who like flashing off their privates to tease other

As someone said before, just to wave their e-penis and get elitist fame... if it's revealed then isn't truly private, just unreleased, except that it's covered by "neener neener u aint gettin this NOOB becuz I SAY SO!" crap.

Nemephosis said, January 30, 2010, 03:52:23 am
Yeah, I don't think most of you are getting the point here. This isn't "complaining". It's just wondering why people do it is all. Complaining would be talking about how much it sucks cause I really want to play with their cool stuff and getting mad about it.

Rather, I'm more interested in why people choose to do it.

Honestly, you don't have to assume the worst here.

Welcome to the internet, bro.

Anyways, the point's gotta be clear by now. There are many valid reasons.
Many MUGEN creators are now part of elitist circles who barely progress anymore and keep mostly to themselves. INTERNET. SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Last Edit: February 02, 2010, 12:49:18 am by Proton Cannon

DKDC

Re: Why keep characters private?
#91  February 02, 2010, 12:59:30 am
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Yes, judging from all the smart comments in this topic, it's pretty clear that whoever creates something and doesn't instantly release it publicly is EVIL and wants to make people jealous.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

Bastard Mami

Re: Why keep characters private?
#92  February 02, 2010, 02:05:57 am
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Lasombra Demon

Re: Why keep characters private?
#93  February 02, 2010, 02:39:12 am
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Byakko said, February 02, 2010, 12:59:30 am
Yes, judging from all the smart comments in this topic, it's pretty clear that whoever creates something and doesn't instantly release it publicly is EVIL and wants to make people jealous.
I wouldn't say evil but insecure. What else than hunger for jelousy and attention whoring could motivate someone to show off stuff he doesn't even intend to eventually release publicly? ???

Shamrock

Re: Why keep characters private?
#94  February 02, 2010, 03:39:55 am
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I am announcing that the characters I made are now private only.

This will make me famous for having a rare character.

If you currently have any of my characters (You need a better roster) then please delete them, of there will be hell to pay.

OZ

Re: Why keep characters private?
#95  February 02, 2010, 03:56:11 am
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ಠ_ಠ

Chronojiuj

Re: Why keep characters private?
#96  February 02, 2010, 05:19:06 am
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  • *something witty yeah*
I have a super rare Shamrock character. Trade me ten offline chars or gtfo



Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

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Saohc

Re: Why keep characters private?
#97  February 02, 2010, 07:02:43 am
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I'm keeping my full game characters private..(they will stay private exactly, avaiable with only the full games they come from..)


Would choosing me for the question thread be a
unique experience?  I can't really say.

Jango Hakamichi

Re: Why keep characters private?
#98  February 02, 2010, 07:53:59 am
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People that show off their screenshots of WIPs saying "hahaha you'll never get them" are pretty much dicks anyway, and the work you would've gotten usually doesn't meet up to your expectations. Spoken from experience (although there are a few exceptions).

Proton Cannon

Re: Why keep characters private?
#99  February 03, 2010, 01:47:35 am
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Jango said, February 02, 2010, 07:53:59 am
People that show off their screenshots of WIPs saying "hahaha you'll never get them" are pretty much dicks anyway, and the work you would've gotten usually doesn't meet up to your expectations. Spoken from experience (although there are a few exceptions).

"hey guise i maed sum1 feel bad on teh interwebz! m i kool yet?"

Most are just wannabes, or Small Name Big Ego as tvtropes puts it.
Many MUGEN creators are now part of elitist circles who barely progress anymore and keep mostly to themselves. INTERNET. SERIOUS BUSINESS.

GT

Re: Why keep characters private?
#100  February 03, 2010, 01:52:55 am
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Prince Jango said, October 07, 2011, 11:45:18 pm
Yeah Titiln, in fact, You Made Him

Lasombra Demon

Re: Why keep characters private?
#101  February 03, 2010, 02:05:33 am
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momo!

Re: Why keep characters private?
New #102  February 04, 2010, 12:42:40 am
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madlax418 said, January 31, 2010, 07:06:28 pm
mh777 said, January 31, 2010, 06:32:53 am
Some privates are very overpowering.  I know from experience.

madlax418 said, January 31, 2010, 05:38:12 am
YzauR said, January 31, 2010, 05:08:04 am
Really? Can I see your privates please? I'll pay you.

I also wanna see it... Kindly give us some screenshots...


 :gaylove:

What do you mean by that...?

the joke was everyone was using "privates" as a double entendre, meaning private chars, and also EACH PERSON'S PRIVATES i.e "i have your privates", "i wanna play with your privates", "everybody should ply with his own privates" and all that nasty innuendo talk :)
Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 12:50:11 am by [n]momo!

GT

Re: Why keep characters private?
#103  February 04, 2010, 12:44:21 am
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    • USA
Double entendres = Win
Prince Jango said, October 07, 2011, 11:45:18 pm
Yeah Titiln, in fact, You Made Him
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