El' Dorado Silverman dice:
but in reality i know what i speak of

he's mech zangief

he should lol

if he was doing cvs fully then they sure wouldnt have everything else they got

Digital Stuff dice:
stop it before I get a facepalm gif and post it here

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
so obviously he's not doing it to exactly match cvs2. hes doing it to make em a better cvs2

u think if capcom made cvs3 that mika woulda have alexes moves lol NO

Digital Stuff dice:
if this was posted at MFG, a bunch of people would flame u to death

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
mech zangief is mech zangief. which = hit resistance

Digital Stuff dice:
u know why mech doesnt have super armor?

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
im pretty sure u gonna try to infleunce me why he doesnt so go ahead lol

Digital Stuff dice:
because that's not part of the CVS system, that's all, nothing hard to think here

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
"its not cvs2 is not a good explanation

u dont know what cvs system is

Digital Stuff dice:
haha!

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
mech zangief is not cvs system

Digital Stuff dice:
i even know how Groove points work like

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
but he made him

Digital Stuff dice:
duoh!
orly!

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
only capcom knows what "cvs" is

Digital Stuff dice:
he made him CVS STYLE

Digital Stuff dice:
with your logic no one can make shit then

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
adding and taking away moves does not make "cvs2"
Digital Stuff dice:

no one can make SF3 dan because no one's capcom lolz!

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
ppl fear what they dont understand. and that why u think the way u do. ur not even getting the point. ur thinking on the 1 track mind basis. expand ur mind to 3d and get off that 2d old school paraphanelia lol

Digital Stuff dice:
seriously, you're going way too far from the truth..., systems can be studied, characters can be adapted to another type of gaming, it's all about that and personal preferenes.

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
naw ur just missing the point lol

Digital Stuff dice:
you are missing it, zangief doesnt have super armour because that doesnt exist in CVS
like roll doesnt exist in SF3
like parry doesnt exist in KOF

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
with what u just said, that completely nulls ur earlier super armor notion

Digital Stuff dice:
u missed the point again
I said what I just said before with different words

Quote

because that's not part of the CVS system, that's all, nothing hard to think here
you are missing it, zangief doesnt have super armour because that doesnt exist in CVS

its the same thing...

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
zangief is not supposed to have super armor. mech zangief is. and mech zangief is not mech zangief without hit resistance. any other thing would make the creation of mech zangief useless

Digital Stuff dice:
dude, when I said zangief, i meant mech, that was clear as hell, why you insist on me writing EVERYTHING THAT'S OBVIOUS

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
the moves sure dont make mech zangief cuz he doesnt have many things different. the armor made him different. mech zangief without armor is just zangief lol. why do u go off subject trying to prove something else when a different subject is at hand lol. for all ur resistance against my notions, i can create many more for urs lol.

oh lord here u go lol
u and ur award winning novels lol

Digital Stuff dice:
mech without the armor is still mech because of his moves, he's different to normal, not too much but still different, I mean violent ken is different from ken because of 1 extra super and the teleport move

that was quite shot ^^

anyway, im trying to tell you that super armor can't be done on CVS because of it's system

he included mech version just because, no need to go serious on that actually

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
so why add all this other stuff to all the other chars but leave out super armor....
oh there is a way to do it on his system alright
no such thing as never. the only limit is ones imagination. havent u learned that by now lol

Digital Stuff dice:
you didnt get it again , it can be done in CVS because IT SHOULDNT
super armor on CVS = BROKEN

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
for all the things that mugen lacks. the culmination of everything can 99 percent of the time always achieve that same goal

no its not

theres a reason i said hit resistance instead of super armor

cuz hit risistance u can put a limit on. you can get the armor to last on 1 or 2 hits and on the 3rd, the super armor breaks until ur combo breaks and its starts over. that is not broken.

in that case i can say his ai is broken cuz some of the boss ppl can do unhumanly things....

and if ppl did the hit pushbacks correctly, then it doesnt have to be called broken. if u can do an infinite with a char, that means u didnt code the pushing back of the hits good enuff

Digital Stuff dice:
do not mix things please, the AI stuff is another song, a single hit armor is already out of the CVS system, that's why he doesn't have it, anyone who knows about the CVS system will tell you that, ANYONE, I would redirect you to ask this to P.o.t.S. or Kira or Vans, anyone will tell you the same thing

is too hard to understand? seriously, I tought I already gave u an excellent example of why my theory is correct

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
how u gonna say "it dont belong" in a system that he himself created (cuz its obviously not the exact capcom made system

Digital Stuff dice:
it's the system based on Capcom's CVS, there are no differences expect stuff mugen could limit (like juggle problems on simul)

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
so, they got new moves. that dont exist in cvs2 but he still added it. same shit.

Digital Stuff dice:
read it again 1000 times, what you have in that quote is about the game's mechanics and systems, custom moves are outside of that (for example a new special move)

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
i know what ur saying damnit, u just dont get what i say. u can repost that 5 more times if u want lol

Digital Stuff dice:
super armor is not a custom move but a system direction, that's why it cant be included

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
mechanics and systems not different that added moves. moves are a part of a "system"
El' Dorado Silverman dice:
that = than*

Digital Stuff dice:
no no no!

moves can be added because they do not modify the system

a hadouken in zangief wont change the system at all, it's a move like ryu has, super armor on the other hand is a "status", that's part of the system

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
this is not cvs2 this is mugen. and his system is not even completely "accurate" to the capcom cvs2 "system"

El' Dorado Silverman says:
 chain comboes are apart of the capcom cvs2 system but he doesnt have that.....try to explain THAT one
 his grooves are based on whatever u can do with the grooves
 but he left out chain comboes
 so yeah, EXPLAIN that one
 im sorry, i cant hear you.....come again lol

Digital Stuff dice:
chain combos are part of CVS system only for darkstalker and rival school characters

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
so since he didnt add that part of the system then that nulls ur logic

Digital Stuff dice:
those are winks to their games of origin

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
u can also unlock chaining for everyone in ex groove

Digital Stuff dice:
zangief comes from SF, so no chain combos

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
so if morrigan can have chaining and no one else can, then how is that different for mech z and his armor?

Digital Stuff dice:
in CVS2 you can unlock chaining because that's called system direction, you can mess arround with stuff from the main system but you cant add super armor because it's not part of anyone's system

chain combo is part of the system because morrigan can do it

armor is not part because no one has it in the damn game fuck!

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
dude, his ex groove is everything in ex groove unlocked. there is no way u can do that with ex groove in the real game unless u unlock the infinite groove points in cvs2...

Digital Stuff dice:
u can if you dont spend the points in other stuff : P, also warusaki chars dont have chain combos in ex groove

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
u cannot get every effect in warusakis bars without surpassing the limit

ex bars*

Digital Stuff dice:
haha! you're talking about gal and rei chars!

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
nope, im surenot

warusakis bars as everything in them altogther

Digital Stuff dice:
there's no limit, wtf are u talking about

he doesnt have a customizable ex groove

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
graaaaaaaaaaah, im not saying he does

he uses a set one

one that is impossible to do in the real game

without going over the limit

Digital Stuff dice:
so... we all know that, his ex groove is not even based on a real ex groove

there's no limit then

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
so that nulls ur earlier agrument about what "belongs" in the system becuz u said, he was emulating the things to the teeth

if he can pick and choose what to take out the "system"

then who are you or him to say that mech's armor cant or cannot be included lol

and if morrigan is the only one with chaining, then why cant mech be the only one with armor

PWN'D

Digital Stuff dice:
because super armor is ....
NOT PART OF THE SYSTEM

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
NO CHAINING FOR EVERYONE ON EX GROOVE

IS NOT PART OFTHE SYTEM EITHER

Digital Stuff dice:
he's not in cvs2 which make's it not part of the system

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
BUT it was done

Digital Stuff dice:
NO CHAINING IS SOMETHING HE TOOK OUT, NOT SOMETHING HE ADDED

ADDING IS THE PROBLEM, NOT TAKING OUT

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM, TAKING OUT OR PUTTIN IN IS THA SAME DAMN SHIT LOL

give it up, i win

Digital Stuff dice:
ITS NOT THE SAME
lol forgot to take out the capslock
with your logic he could then add a dance dance revolution super to all his chars

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
thats not my logic lol sorry bout it

if the char never had dance dance revolution as a move then of course not

u said morrigan had chaing cuz of her game of origin. armor is mech's game of origin (AND so is chaining) lol

Digital Stuff dice:
no, mech is just another version of zangief, the origin is what it counts

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
mech is from mvc, his game of origin (cuz he never appeared anywhere else)

and mech's game of origin had chaing and armor. so if u say no to that then ud be going against ur own logic

Digital Stuff dice:
mech is an alt version of zangief, that's why he doesnt have mvc as his origin

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
if mech is just an "alt" version of zangief then he shouldnt be called mech zangief lol. and alt versions of a char is just another word for there

if mech is just an "alt" version of zangief then he shouldnt be called mech zangief lol. and alt versions of a char is just another word for there evil versions which all of ex versions of warus chars, DO exist

ALT version of geese is nightmare geese. so the alt version of zangief is mech zangief.

just like ex ken = v. ken

etc etc

Digital Stuff dice:
dude, mech zangief is zangief, that was explained already in the DS SCV card game
also with your logic nightmare geese should have the system from real bout

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
in mvc, in his originating game, is zangief but as a robot
the card game is not mech zangiefs game of origin

Digital Stuff dice:
where did u hear that? he doesnt even have that story line, also zangief CAN CONVERT IN MECH ZANGIEF IN MVC LOLZ! I WIN AGAIN!

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
apoc/bison made him into that in mvc. that was his backstory

he can convert into that cuz of the powers that bison/apoc gave him

Digital Stuff dice:
in MSHVSSF he doesnt have a story line so you cant say he's a robot, I WIN ANYWAY

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
either way, he still has armor

becuz when u defeat mech zangief in the game, he blows up. thats how u can tell
LOL
he blows up like a MACHINE

Digital Stuff dice:
BECAUSE HE WAS TURNED INTO LOL!

Digital Stuff dice:
FORGET IT I HAVE THE WAY TO SETTLE THIS

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
mech zangief is like a mutant powr in that particular game

BECAUSE HE WAS TURNED INTO LOL!
>>>>>>>>> and that doesnt make any sense

u may as well just give it up, no matter what u say....your going against ur own system regardless of his background story

Digital Stuff dice:
wait

im so gonna post this in the general discussion at the guild, I really want to know who's right and who's not

El' Dorado Silverman dice:
mech zangief is still mvc game of origin so there since u said they have all there stuff from there game of origin, then this logic would not be wrong. simple as that lol

im only going by what u explained. u only want outside input becuz now since i bought that to light in a reasonalbe way, ur second guessing urself lol

Digital Stuff dice:
Im gonna post the whole convo dont worry, also I want another outputs because I wanna know if im wrong or not, not like you  , Im sure Im right however