A mugen AI can't properly guess what the other character can do; Un less you make a very long and intensive list of move properties for several mugen characters, the ai can only guess the most basic stuff.
Which isn't as bad as you'd think, KOF bosses know your moves and we all know how that turns out.Just a shame you can't code them to jump over projectiles like Capcom AI's.
Yah, but mugen ais generally mess up in the wake up game, the best ones just block while keeping away form you, but most other get screwed up on it, and it is very easy to force wake up like situations in a fight.
Yes, but when it came to AI, you can't overlook authors such as Elecbyte and AOAO. Both had a refined way of coding their AI and Elecbyte's Hotaru creations when you fight against them have a very sensitive AI, meaning they predict the next move you're going to do. AOAO had a similiar system, but his a little more simplified than Elecbye. Unfortunately, AOAO is long gone and it is unknown when he will be back in the mugen community. There were rumors he'd return about two to three years, but his site is closed, indefinitely. I must say though,
No, I was talking about the Hotaru edits, Shira, Luna and A.F. I know Mikage made Zero_Hotaru, but I'm not talking about that either. Elecbyte made three Hotaru edits that have disappeared from the mugen community, but let's not get offsubject here. I was talking about the way both coded their AI. I was reviewing my mugen database and two long forgotten author names came to mind: shacti and DCelso.
Satou Sei said, May 12, 2008, 06:28:03 pmYah, but mugen ais generally mess up in the wake up game, the best ones just block while keeping away form you, but most other get screwed up on it, and it is very easy to force wake up like situations in a fight.Hmmm... What exactly do you mean by "wake-up?"
Standing up from a knockdown. In KoF for eg you can almost always catch people out if they're close with something as you stand up. I often hit with an uppercut for eg.QuoteElecbyte made three Hotaru editsOT but Elecbyte never made hotaru, nor have they made any custom AI. They made KFM and the engine. Hotaru is not involved.
He seems to be referring to the old habit of some people putting Author = "Elecbyte" in the def file, because they wanted to be anonymous or something.
Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me, Shion. I couldn't understand why Elecbyte was in the author's name area. I was beginning to think there was an author that called themself Elecbyte, but thanks to your information it seems that they want their name to be anonymous. Do you know who the creators of A.F., Shira and Luna are, Cyanide or Shion?Also, do you know what happened to shacti and DCelso?
A.F. is by Mother Earth I believe. I think it stands for Another Futaba... Though I'm not completely sure on that one. Never heard of Shira or Luna though.
Thanks, that information will really help. I always wanted to know who made A.F. since she is well designed. Strange "Mother Earth" wanted to put it anonymous, but I don't know the reason why that author would do that.
Cyanide said, May 13, 2008, 06:54:42 am[Wake Up is] Standing up from a knockdown. In KoF for eg you can almost always catch people out if they're close with something as you stand up. I often hit with an uppercut for eg.Thanks for the clarification.Satou Sei said, May 12, 2008, 06:28:03 pmYah, but mugen ais generally mess up in the wake up game, the best ones just block while keeping away form you, but most other get screwed up on it, and it is very easy to force wake up like situations in a fight.I always thought that would depend. I mean, there are a few ways to cheat with the "wake-up" game. As far as I remember, Mugen (glitches and) allows an extended invulnerability time for the "wake-up" if you jump right out of it (like in my Makoto video). Also, most chars are coded with a (guestimated) wake-up invulnerable time that is efficient to allow a first strike that comes out 1 to 3 ticks after 5120 ends, to land on an atatcking opponent. Personally, I hate hovering AIs, so I actively code for a prioritized, usually invulnerable attacks to activate during the last twio ticks of 5120 at a small random or else purposely choose chars that launch basic strikes and/or anti-airs quickly (within the invulnerable guessed tick limit).BTW, the best just sit there and "block" after the wake-up? Why do you say that?
QuoteMugen (glitches and) allows an extended invulnerability time for the "wake-up" if you jump right out of it (like in my Makoto video). NOOO! No more mugen glitches, please. There is invulnerability in the base common1.cns during the getup state and it lasts for 5 ticks afterward. Other people may change this. Please go and LOOK before calling it a glitch, even then, it's probably not a glitch.Most AI characters on wakeup would attack with something like a combo starter or a super... In this situation, they'd probably get thrown instead.
