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#1  July 06, 2020, 08:51:05 pm
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Awesome, however, could you reupload it with mediafire? 4Shared is not that safe, and I know a lot of people here don't like it.


However, damn! Waiting for this one. Looking forward to trying him out.
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#3  July 06, 2020, 09:38:10 pm
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bro, i will go up to the mediafire yes ... and thanks for the advice ...
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#5  July 07, 2020, 06:24:39 am
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This should go in Edits and Addons, its obvious from the video its just a spriteswap of Blackheart.
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Spriteswap of Blackheart? Uhm. No? It's a lot more than just a spriteswap. It has a lot of different moves and animations, both original and including some from Tam-Tam for example.
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Indeed a good attempt on the sprites Robson.

Little feedback
- Mephisto's walk sound is really off and i believe it's unnecessary for him. I fix that in the video.
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#8  July 13, 2020, 07:17:35 am
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Spriteswap of Blackheart? Uhm. No? It's a lot more than just a spriteswap. It has a lot of different moves and animations, both original and including some from Tam-Tam for example.
Its not a lot more than anything. The video clearly shows its just a swap, the only new thing in the character outside of the sprites is the super taken from Splode's Thanos (in which Thanos called Mephisto to summon fire-dragon-thingies). Stop trying to make this sound like more than what it is.
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Spriteswap of Blackheart? Uhm. No? It's a lot more than just a spriteswap. It has a lot of different moves and animations, both original and including some from Tam-Tam for example.
Its not a lot more than anything. The video clearly shows its just a swap, the only new thing in the character outside of the sprites is the super taken from Splode's Thanos (in which Thanos called Mephisto to summon fire-dragon-thingies). Stop trying to make this sound like more than what it is.

You are wrong and my character was placed unfairly in this section ...
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#10  July 31, 2020, 11:24:21 pm
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Edits go in edits, IDK what else you're expecting?
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#11  August 01, 2020, 04:30:15 am
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Spriteswap of Blackheart? Uhm. No? It's a lot more than just a spriteswap. It has a lot of different moves and animations, both original and including some from Tam-Tam for example.
Its not a lot more than anything. The video clearly shows its just a swap, the only new thing in the character outside of the sprites is the super taken from Splode's Thanos (in which Thanos called Mephisto to summon fire-dragon-thingies). Stop trying to make this sound like more than what it is.

You are wrong and my character was placed unfairly in this section ...

Stop pretending. You can even hear Blackheart's voice when he uses Armageddon. There is nothing really wrong with making a spriteswap (even if your sprites aren't very good), but don't act as if you did much more than swapping Blackheart's sprites with Mephisto's.
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#12  August 12, 2020, 05:38:09 pm
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Thanks Rob! Whether it's editing, or new, old character, sprite swap ... Whatever, and it doesn't matter! Just by trying to create something good, willingly, and for some who like to collect chars, it's already very good ... Currently in the Mugen community no one is kind, everyone just screams and curses, if you don't belong to closed groups your work sucks ... in fact, sometimes it is worth not even posting anything, or making your work available on sites said to be "doubtful" because the demand here is already unbearable. vãotudosifudepai !!
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#13  August 12, 2020, 06:05:28 pm
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Thanks Rob! Whether it's editing, or new, old character, sprite swap ... Whatever, and it doesn't matter! Just by trying to create something good, willingly, and for some who like to collect chars, it's already very good ... Currently in the Mugen community no one is kind, everyone just screams and curses, if you don't belong to closed groups your work sucks ... in fact, sometimes it is worth not even posting anything, or making your work available on sites said to be "doubtful" because the demand here is already unbearable. vãotudosifudepai !!

Sorry to cut in but, while I agree in supporting people and encouraging them to make what they want, and to continue to improve -- because that's the right mindset, encouraging people to continue to learn and grow whilst celebrating the continued life of the community -- I have to say a few things. Not everyone is an asshole. Sure, there's plenty of people out there who suck, but most people are just very critical.

Even if some criticism comes off as harsh, it's still criticism and it can still be valid. For example, here, this Mephisto is just a spriteswap of Blackheart, and to most people that's really not enough to be considered a new character. It's just a previously coded character with a new coat of paint over it. And while spriteswaps can be good, if the spritework is good enough (and these Mephisto sprites aren't exactly the best but they're not that bad either, pretty decent imo), most of the time they're just not worth the high praise.

And, to claim that this is not a spriteswap when the character has the same moves, and same sounds to a degree, isn't exactly good for your reputation.

It's not being mean to call someone a bit overzealous and, to a degree, dishonest. If it's a spriteswap, admit to it. Nobody will murder you over it. But this isn't enough to be a new character, and that's a very valid criticism.
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#14  August 12, 2020, 10:08:40 pm
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Thanks Rob! Whether it's editing, or new, old character, sprite swap ... Whatever, and it doesn't matter! Just by trying to create something good, willingly, and for some who like to collect chars, it's already very good ... Currently in the Mugen community no one is kind, everyone just screams and curses, if you don't belong to closed groups your work sucks ... in fact, sometimes it is worth not even posting anything, or making your work available on sites said to be "doubtful" because the demand here is already unbearable. vãotudosifudepai !!

Sorry to cut in but, while I agree in supporting people and encouraging them to make what they want, and to continue to improve -- because that's the right mindset, encouraging people to continue to learn and grow whilst celebrating the continued life of the community -- I have to say a few things. Not everyone is an asshole. Sure, there's plenty of people out there who suck, but most people are just very critical.

Even if some criticism comes off as harsh, it's still criticism and it can still be valid. For example, here, this Mephisto is just a spriteswap of Blackheart, and to most people that's really not enough to be considered a new character. It's just a previously coded character with a new coat of paint over it. And while spriteswaps can be good, if the spritework is good enough (and these Mephisto sprites aren't exactly the best but they're not that bad either, pretty decent imo), most of the time they're just not worth the high praise.

And, to claim that this is not a spriteswap when the character has the same moves, and same sounds to a degree, isn't exactly good for your reputation.

It's not being mean to call someone a bit overzealous and, to a degree, dishonest. If it's a spriteswap, admit to it. Nobody will murder you over it. But this isn't enough to be a new character, and that's a very valid criticism.

Ok. But is the validity of the criticism applied to the critic or the criticized?
For example you, my friend ... Your work in using an MvC2 templante is excellent, really fantastic! And continue to evolve more and more for the good of the community, because you contribute a lot, but ...
Have you ever thought that this also looks like a kind of sprite swap? You see, don't get me wrong, it's not a demerit, not least because I love the MvC2 format, but have you tried to develop a character without the templant? You see, that one way or the other, you always need a base, a 'skeleton' for creation. As Elecbyte itself talks about using Kung fu man.
I know very little about mugen, and I make my precarious edits with what I dug into the network, and still always receiving a lot of 'constructive criticism', if not other 'constructive' forms of communication ... kkkk
 But if the person asks for help, for a code, or trigger, or the explanation of how a basic helper works, all the 'great wise critics of Mugen' disappear ... Strange don't you think?

And the old answers always come up: 'I learned Mugen alone' or 'If you can't take the pressure, get out' ... Answers that ridicule or attack, because the truth is that NO ONE WANTS TO TEACH, OR GIVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MUGEN!
But all are always 'great wise, critical masters of mugen'. Discouraged new creators and publishers, or anyone thinking about learning ...
Today the great Creators of Mugen, participate very little in the websites, and forums, prefer to stay in their private projects, or have already abandoned the hobby, which is very sad.

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#15  August 12, 2020, 10:19:08 pm
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Thanks Rob! Whether it's editing, or new, old character, sprite swap ... Whatever, and it doesn't matter! Just by trying to create something good, willingly, and for some who like to collect chars, it's already very good ... Currently in the Mugen community no one is kind, everyone just screams and curses, if you don't belong to closed groups your work sucks ... in fact, sometimes it is worth not even posting anything, or making your work available on sites said to be "doubtful" because the demand here is already unbearable. vãotudosifudepai !!

Sorry to cut in but, while I agree in supporting people and encouraging them to make what they want, and to continue to improve -- because that's the right mindset, encouraging people to continue to learn and grow whilst celebrating the continued life of the community -- I have to say a few things. Not everyone is an asshole. Sure, there's plenty of people out there who suck, but most people are just very critical.

Even if some criticism comes off as harsh, it's still criticism and it can still be valid. For example, here, this Mephisto is just a spriteswap of Blackheart, and to most people that's really not enough to be considered a new character. It's just a previously coded character with a new coat of paint over it. And while spriteswaps can be good, if the spritework is good enough (and these Mephisto sprites aren't exactly the best but they're not that bad either, pretty decent imo), most of the time they're just not worth the high praise.

And, to claim that this is not a spriteswap when the character has the same moves, and same sounds to a degree, isn't exactly good for your reputation.

It's not being mean to call someone a bit overzealous and, to a degree, dishonest. If it's a spriteswap, admit to it. Nobody will murder you over it. But this isn't enough to be a new character, and that's a very valid criticism.

Ok. But is the validity of the criticism applied to the critic or the criticized?
For example you, my friend ... Your work in using an MvC2 templante is excellent, really fantastic! And continue to evolve more and more for the good of the community, because you contribute a lot, but ...
Have you ever thought that this also looks like a kind of sprite swap? You see, don't get me wrong, it's not a demerit, not least because I love the MvC2 format, but have you tried to develop a character without the templant? You see, that one way or the other, you always need a base, a 'skeleton' for creation. As Elecbyte itself talks about using Kung fu man.
I know very little about mugen, and I make my precarious edits with what I dug into the network, and still always receiving a lot of 'constructive criticism', if not other 'constructive' forms of communication ... kkkk
 But if the person asks for help, for a code, or trigger, or the explanation of how a basic helper works, all the 'great wise critics of Mugen' disappear ... Strange don't you think?

And the old answers always come up: 'I learned Mugen alone' or 'If you can't take the pressure, get out' ... Answers that ridicule or attack, because the truth is that NO ONE WANTS TO TEACH, OR GIVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MUGEN!
But all are always 'great wise, critical masters of mugen'. Discouraged new creators and publishers, or anyone thinking about learning ...
Today the great Creators of Mugen, participate very little in the websites, and forums, prefer to stay in their private projects, or have already abandoned the hobby, which is very sad.

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The thing is, and this is coming from someone that doesn't know a lot about character creation but is trying to learn, having a base to create a character is not the same as literally just replacing the sprites.

I'm working on my own version of Akuma, and even though there's hunderds of versions and I am indeed using another Akuma as a base and reference, there's a lot more work and effort to put into it than just a sprite swap.
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#16  August 12, 2020, 10:56:18 pm
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The thing is, and this is coming from someone that doesn't know a lot about character creation but is trying to learn, having a base to create a character is not the same as literally just replacing the sprites.

I'm working on my own version of Akuma, and even though there's hunderds of versions and I am indeed using another Akuma as a base and reference, there's a lot more work and effort to put into it than just a sprite swap.
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Congratulations my friend. And success in your creation, I hope everything goes well. But are you using an Akuma, to create another character (also called Akuma)? With extra moves and custom things ... Hmmm. It will be very cool. Who knows if I can do that too ... But, isn't that the same thing that was done with Mephisto in this first release? Using a Blackheart to create another character? Even with a different attack, and custom animations? Well ... I really wish you every success in the world, and that soon we can see your Akuma fighting around, and that the 'great wise mugen masters' have positive 'constructive criticisms'.

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#17  August 12, 2020, 11:11:22 pm
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But, isn't that the same thing that was done with Mephisto in this first release? Using a Blackheart to create another character? Even with a different attack, and custom animations?
No, it wasn't. Using a character as a base to change its gameplay is completely different than simply changing sprites. It literally has only one different attack (one that happens to be the same as another character, which makes it not original as well) and the custom animations and sprites, while quite ugly, aren't what is being criticized here, hell, there was no criticism directed to the act of editing characters or making spriteswaps itself. But it is a problem when you try to say you did more with a character than what you actually did, because you're trying to steal credit from the person who made the original one (which isn't something to be very proud of, since the gameplay is very bad in this case as well).

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#20  August 12, 2020, 11:31:29 pm
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Then clean up your routine or consider your stand up set cancelled

And don't make the mistake of thinking you can insult people in another language just because the main language is English, that is a foolish assumption to make

It goes without saying, keep it out of your profile text as well
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#21  August 12, 2020, 11:45:47 pm
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I won't delete anything.
First! I'm not insulting anyone! The literal translation is not the same as the colloquial! And this is a standup joke from a very famous comedian, which as a practice means 'screw it if I'm wrong'! Nothing more than this. Second! I was exposing my point of view on this site where everyone is really VERY GREAT AND PART OF A GROUP THAT ONLY THEIR OPINION IS CORRECT AND IF IT IS CONTRARY, A DRAMA BEGINS! I have no question of being part of any group.
Third! Before taking away your assumptions, assumptions, get to know Brazilian culture before listening to 'angry girls' who can't stand the opinions of others ... If you really want to confirm all my affirmations you can Banish me!
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#22  August 12, 2020, 11:49:03 pm
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Ok. But is the validity of the criticism applied to the critic or the criticized?
For example you, my friend ... Your work in using an MvC2 templante is excellent, really fantastic! And continue to evolve more and more for the good of the community, because you contribute a lot, but ...
Have you ever thought that this also looks like a kind of sprite swap? You see, don't get me wrong, it's not a demerit, not least because I love the MvC2 format, but have you tried to develop a character without the templant? You see, that one way or the other, you always need a base, a 'skeleton' for creation. As Elecbyte itself talks about using Kung fu man.
I know very little about mugen, and I make my precarious edits with what I dug into the network, and still always receiving a lot of 'constructive criticism', if not other 'constructive' forms of communication ... kkkk
 But if the person asks for help, for a code, or trigger, or the explanation of how a basic helper works, all the 'great wise critics of Mugen' disappear ... Strange don't you think?

And the old answers always come up: 'I learned Mugen alone' or 'If you can't take the pressure, get out' ... Answers that ridicule or attack, because the truth is that NO ONE WANTS TO TEACH, OR GIVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MUGEN!
But all are always 'great wise, critical masters of mugen'. Discouraged new creators and publishers, or anyone thinking about learning ...
Today the great Creators of Mugen, participate very little in the websites, and forums, prefer to stay in their private projects, or have already abandoned the hobby, which is very sad.

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I have to agree with you in some parts and disagree in others.

I knew literally jack about MUGEN when I joined the community in 2017 and I was lucky enough to have someone take me under his wing in 2019 to learn how to use this template. Since then I've worked hard on my own to learn and improve myself, whilst asking help from the friends I've made in the community along the way should I need it.

"I learned Mugen alone"
Yes, many people have. Nothing wrong with that.

"If you can't take the pressure, get out"
Yep. This is also true. If you get criticism, you gotta listen to it. You don't have to apply it, but you get it for a reason and you should at least think about it. And if someone is being an asshole, you need to have a thick spine. Nobody is gonna tell you "make this character amazing or kill yourself", and if they do, don't even listen to that. THAT'S not pressure, that's just someone being an asshole for no reason. Some people are pretty critical, though, but being nice and sugarcoating stuff doesn't always seem to get the point across. It's all about being blunt -- and most of the time, if someone see something is bad, they're gonna say it.

But the thing is... if you bring your A-Game, if you adamantly want to improve, and learn, and you show that, you'll earn people's respect. Ignoring criticism, telling people not to listen, or just being in denial, or even INSULTING people... that'll just tarnish your reputation.

Take it from a guy who used to be an immature crybaby. Everything gets said for a reason. Please, don't act like you can just insult everyone and be right. To act like everyone in this community is a dick is wrong. It's the internet, everyone's a dick, and welcome to it.

Take care. And forgive me if my points are jumbled. I'm not the best at arguing haha.
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#23  August 12, 2020, 11:53:15 pm
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I won't delete anything.
First! I'm not insulting anyone! The literal translation is not the same as the colloquial! And this is a standup joke from a very famous comedian, which as a practice means 'screw it if I'm wrong'! Nothing more than this. Second! I was exposing my point of view on this site where everyone is really VERY GREAT AND PART OF A GROUP THAT ONLY THEIR OPINION IS CORRECT AND IF IT IS CONTRARY, A DRAMA BEGINS! I have no question of being part of any group.
Third! Before taking away your assumptions, assumptions, get to know Brazilian culture before listening to 'angry girls' who can't stand the opinions of others ... If you really want to confirm all my affirmations you can Banish me!

Please don't do that. This is not brazilian culture and makes us look awful. I know it's a joke but this isn't the right place to do it. You can do it in a brazilian forum or when you're with your friends, that's ok, but you're not, not everyone take it as a joke as we do.
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#24  August 13, 2020, 12:01:09 am
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I won't delete anything.
First! I'm not insulting anyone! The literal translation is not the same as the colloquial! And this is a standup joke from a very famous comedian, which as a practice means 'screw it if I'm wrong'! Nothing more than this. Second! I was exposing my point of view on this site where everyone is really VERY GREAT AND PART OF A GROUP THAT ONLY THEIR OPINION IS CORRECT AND IF IT IS CONTRARY, A DRAMA BEGINS! I have no question of being part of any group.
Third! Before taking away your assumptions, assumptions, get to know Brazilian culture before listening to 'angry girls' who can't stand the opinions of others ... If you really want to confirm all my affirmations you can Banish me!

Please don't do that. This is not brazilian culture and makes us look awful. I know it's a joke but this isn't the right place to do it. You can do it in a brazilian forum or when you're with your friends, that's ok, but you're not, not everyone take it as a joke as we do.

I actually wanna second this, because I went through something similar, funnily enough.

I administrate a website where one user actually got really mad that they had to remove content they put up, that they insulted staff in another language and assumed they could get away with it.

The guy was globally banned for two weeks. Was not happy about it and would not take responsibility for his behavior. I would not want to see a repeat, instead of someone trying to let their behavior be justified as something that it's not.
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#25  August 13, 2020, 12:02:23 am
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I won't delete anything.
First! I'm not insulting anyone! The literal translation is not the same as the colloquial! And this is a standup joke from a very famous comedian, which as a practice means 'screw it if I'm wrong'! Nothing more than this. Second! I was exposing my point of view on this site where everyone is really VERY GREAT AND PART OF A GROUP THAT ONLY THEIR OPINION IS CORRECT AND IF IT IS CONTRARY, A DRAMA BEGINS! I have no question of being part of any group.
Third! Before taking away your assumptions, assumptions, get to know Brazilian culture before listening to 'angry girls' who can't stand the opinions of others ... If you really want to confirm all my affirmations you can Banish me!

Then find another punch line or make sure you change it so that everyone knows it's the colloquial version

Full stop

If you think "prove me right and ban me" is some kind of defense against me, then you walked into the wrong comedy club
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It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time
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#26  August 13, 2020, 12:05:08 am
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Ok. But is the validity of the criticism applied to the critic or the criticized?
For example you, my friend ... Your work in using an MvC2 templante is excellent, really fantastic! And continue to evolve more and more for the good of the community, because you contribute a lot, but ...
Have you ever thought that this also looks like a kind of sprite swap? You see, don't get me wrong, it's not a demerit, not least because I love the MvC2 format, but have you tried to develop a character without the templant? You see, that one way or the other, you always need a base, a 'skeleton' for creation. As Elecbyte itself talks about using Kung fu man.
I know very little about mugen, and I make my precarious edits with what I dug into the network, and still always receiving a lot of 'constructive criticism', if not other 'constructive' forms of communication ... kkkk
 But if the person asks for help, for a code, or trigger, or the explanation of how a basic helper works, all the 'great wise critics of Mugen' disappear ... Strange don't you think?

And the old answers always come up: 'I learned Mugen alone' or 'If you can't take the pressure, get out' ... Answers that ridicule or attack, because the truth is that NO ONE WANTS TO TEACH, OR GIVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MUGEN!
But all are always 'great wise, critical masters of mugen'. Discouraged new creators and publishers, or anyone thinking about learning ...
Today the great Creators of Mugen, participate very little in the websites, and forums, prefer to stay in their private projects, or have already abandoned the hobby, which is very sad.

vãotudosifudepai !!

I have to agree with you in some parts and disagree in others.

I knew literally jack about MUGEN when I joined the community in 2017 and I was lucky enough to have someone take me under his wing in 2019 to learn how to use this template. Since then I've worked hard on my own to learn and improve myself, whilst asking help from the friends I've made in the community along the way should I need it.

"I learned Mugen alone"
Yes, many people have. Nothing wrong with that.

"If you can't take the pressure, get out"
Yep. This is also true. If you get criticism, you gotta listen to it. You don't have to apply it, but you get it for a reason and you should at least think about it. And if someone is being an asshole, you need to have a thick spine. Nobody is gonna tell you "make this character amazing or kill yourself", and if they do, don't even listen to that. THAT'S not pressure, that's just someone being an asshole for no reason. Some people are pretty critical, though, but being nice and sugarcoating stuff doesn't always seem to get the point across. It's all about being blunt -- and most of the time, if someone see something is bad, they're gonna say it.

But the thing is... if you bring your A-Game, if you adamantly want to improve, and learn, and you show that, you'll earn people's respect. Ignoring criticism, telling people not to listen, or just being in denial, or even INSULTING people... that'll just tarnish your reputation.

Take it from a guy who used to be an immature crybaby. Everything gets said for a reason. Please, don't act like you can just insult everyone and be right. To act like everyone in this community is a dick is wrong. It's the internet, everyone's a dick, and welcome to it.

Take care. And forgive me if my points are jumbled. I'm not the best at arguing haha.

Great. I respect your arguments, but I maintain my conviction that there are many more elements to demotivate than to motivate ... You were very lucky to have a sensei, in addition to having time and dedication. And the fruit is your excellent work. Again congratulations. And I'm sorry if it looked like I insulted you or someone. But there is always someone creating a drama for not having the cognitive capacity to maintain a basic dialectic. It was a pleasure to exchange these ideas with you and I close my activities here on this site.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#27  August 13, 2020, 12:06:47 am
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I won't delete anything.
First! I'm not insulting anyone! The literal translation is not the same as the colloquial! And this is a standup joke from a very famous comedian, which as a practice means 'screw it if I'm wrong'! Nothing more than this. Second! I was exposing my point of view on this site where everyone is really VERY GREAT AND PART OF A GROUP THAT ONLY THEIR OPINION IS CORRECT AND IF IT IS CONTRARY, A DRAMA BEGINS! I have no question of being part of any group.
Third! Before taking away your assumptions, assumptions, get to know Brazilian culture before listening to 'angry girls' who can't stand the opinions of others ... If you really want to confirm all my affirmations you can Banish me!

Please don't do that. This is not brazilian culture and makes us look awful. I know it's a joke but this isn't the right place to do it. You can do it in a brazilian forum or when you're with your friends, that's ok, but you're not, not everyone take it as a joke as we do.

Thanks for your education and kindness. Luxury item here lately.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#28  August 13, 2020, 12:13:55 am
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I won't delete anything.
First! I'm not insulting anyone! The literal translation is not the same as the colloquial! And this is a standup joke from a very famous comedian, which as a practice means 'screw it if I'm wrong'! Nothing more than this. Second! I was exposing my point of view on this site where everyone is really VERY GREAT AND PART OF A GROUP THAT ONLY THEIR OPINION IS CORRECT AND IF IT IS CONTRARY, A DRAMA BEGINS! I have no question of being part of any group.
Third! Before taking away your assumptions, assumptions, get to know Brazilian culture before listening to 'angry girls' who can't stand the opinions of others ... If you really want to confirm all my affirmations you can Banish me!

Then find another punch line or make sure you change it so that everyone knows it's the colloquial version

Full stop

If you think "prove me right and ban me" is some kind of defense against me, then you walked into the wrong comedy club

Joke Club? You're talking nonsense ... It's not who will win, but who gets beaten and moves on, without giving up, that's how you win ... It's no defense, or a test so true if it offends you ... patience ... You can ban it, no problem ... And already take advantage and delete my posts so that the 'Offended Girls' do not cry in the pillow at night ...
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#29  August 13, 2020, 12:15:24 am
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All right, then your set is up and you're off the stage for three days
Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#30  August 13, 2020, 12:17:19 am
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Mugenguild can be stupid at times but Speedpreacher is cool,  he was trying to see your comedyline, shit is pretty funny you saying some bullshit in your language. Lol, no need to get angry bro,welcome to the guild in its finest glory!
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#31  August 13, 2020, 12:51:23 am
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Funny that you say that since he got banned.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#32  August 13, 2020, 12:58:08 am
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By the time i got here he got Judgement Day'd,  i think he shouldnt have  dont you thinks so too Alex Siniglagli?
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#33  August 13, 2020, 12:59:59 am
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Misspelling my surname wasn't needed, you could have just copied and pasted the name I use now, AlexSin. I made it shorter so that people wouldn't write it badly, but hey, there must be always someone to prove me wrong. :P

I honestly think he needed a time out.
Last Edit: August 13, 2020, 01:03:21 am by AlexSin
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#34  August 13, 2020, 01:03:33 am
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Something about you says your just like Sheldon from Bing Bang Theory
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#35  August 13, 2020, 01:06:23 am
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I'm not.

This is off-topic. This is not a chat, this is a forum where you talk about things in the topic.


Mephisto is a spriteswap/edit, so it makes sense for it to be here in this board. All this nonsense about curse words, comedians, "MFG is for the elite" BS etc. wasn't needed at all.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#36  August 13, 2020, 01:10:11 am
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Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#37  August 13, 2020, 01:55:29 am
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Back on topic, here is a video of Blackheart beating the clone. Though I did use a decent version of Blackheart (Sunboy) and Mephisto seems to be an edit of Kong's version:

Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#38  August 13, 2020, 02:29:59 am
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To get back on topic: there's absolutely nothing wrong with something being an edit of something. That doesn't make a creation lesser at all; we're just making sure things are properly categorized.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#39  August 13, 2020, 02:39:40 am
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Pretty much what Jmorph said. Also it's just a matter of organize the things here tho. :v

And at least someone like Robson got the initiative of did new sprites for Mephisto not being just a pal swap of his son.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#40  August 13, 2020, 04:36:22 am
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To get back on topic: there's absolutely nothing wrong with something being an edit of something.
Just to be clear, as the one who sorta started this debate, I said it in post #11 of this thread that there was nothing wrong with making sprite swaps. Hell, I made palette swaps, which are even less original, just for fun, but the thing is: I haven't treated them as new characters because they are not new and I hardly ever change anything more than the obvious on them.
Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#41  August 13, 2020, 06:15:29 pm
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My two cents:
It doesn't matter if the character is a spriteswap, if this has been well done and it works as a proper character in MUGEN. I don't mind Mephisto plays like Blackheart, in fact suits him well, but I got 2 complains about him, just by seeing the videos:
  • Mephisto is considerably bigger than his comic book counterpart, he should have the normal size of most of characters, Blackheart instead is bigger, even than his father
  • Some sprites or animations feels stiff, not sure if there aren't enough transition sprites or the times inAIR are wrong, but for moments seems very slow and in others very fast (link the jump falling anim)
Also, I LOL'd at that n00b that swears in Portuguese thinking no one can understand him, since the forum is full has a lot of Brazilians and Portuguese users, some of them even being mods and admins XD I would give his ban lenght even more days or week if you ask me :P

Rest in peace, Toriyama-san...
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Re: MEPHISTO by RobsonMSH RELEASE!!!
#42  September 01, 2020, 06:12:16 pm
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I accept the character criticisms and I usually use them to improve my work, but reclassifying this character as it was done here is unfair and I will insist on that ... It makes me think that these people really deserve jobs like "Legacy of Heroes" ... More the same every day ... and curious, there is no section for that ... I mean, just to "organize" ...