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The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#1  January 31, 2020, 09:45:43 pm
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It's back, the somewhat annual mugen AI tournament, with a bit of a change from past tournament. Felt like bringing this back into action since it has been more than a year since last tournament. I will be making a video about this later to get people from YT interested in this.

What is this?
This is a mugen AI tournament involving teams of four characters similar to King of fighters in turns fashion.

What's up with the "Revival" in the title instead of just Togmat 5
I've changed up the name a bit according to a post I made three months ago meaning there are going to be some rule changes from previous tournaments.

Why haven't you posted your combo comp yet
I've been a bit busy with college as of late and also interest upon finishing it has waned on me. I Still do have said files for it, I just haven't edited them into a video yet and AI tournaments are more of an interest to me know. I'll probably do so when I'm motivated.

Rules:
These rules will be very similar to previous tournaments, albeit with some changes as stated to accommodate for the new engine setup.

  • Small/Chibi characters are going to be upscaled via localcord or blue CLSNS arbitrarily raised to be hittable by standing punches. However if said characters was like that in a source fighting game it's allowed (E.G choi, iggy, etc.)
  • No characters with insta-kills/OHKO's this time
  • No characters that perform infinities
  • No characters that start before the round starts (I'll be checking for this)
  • No characters with resurrections this time
  • No bonus game/Onslaught type characters
  • No characters with constant super amour
  • Provide links to said characters
  • Characters will be set up to load up immediately so their is no AI load up advantage (AKA the impossible commands AI activation method being shit)
  • Make sure you characters have a visible form of AI
  • If you want your character in a specific mode (AKA selecting specific groove for a CvS2 character, etc.) do let me know
  • Do note despite the rules on this list I can ban a character for any reason I see fit

Engine/Tournament Setup
  • 99 time a 60 ticks
  • %120 life
  • Losers Bracket
  • No champion team this time

EDIT: For now on future tournaments I'll keep this ban list of characters/authors that do happen to fall under the rule set but I've decided are absolutely not fun to watch with them plowing the competition with little effort, being in line with the last rule. Exceptions may occur if proven otherwise.
Spoiler: Ban List (click to see content)


Link to signup spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VO08Fq77Q6du_otk0jIy4tM7ULO2wwWoislpn7FMmaU/edit?usp=sharing

Tournament Starts at March 24 at 1:00 PM MST https://youtu.be/XfgoC6Bw3C0
Last Edit: March 24, 2020, 08:53:00 pm by Amidweiz

Umezono

Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#2  January 31, 2020, 11:29:17 pm
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whats a champion team

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#3  February 01, 2020, 12:01:25 am
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Umezono said, January 31, 2020, 11:29:17 pm
whats a champion team

It was a thing that I did where the person who one said tournament had to defend their title, which in turn meant they couldn't participate in the tournament until their champion team lost and replaced with said winning team.

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#4  February 01, 2020, 12:46:20 am
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#5  February 01, 2020, 01:20:00 am
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#6  February 01, 2020, 01:26:47 am
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Is this using Mugen 1.0 or 1.1?

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#7  February 01, 2020, 01:52:52 am
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3 or 4 characters?

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#8  February 01, 2020, 01:59:12 am
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 Is there a limitation of what gameplay mechanics are permitted so that we don't have obviously lopsided scenarios such as MvC vs SF or GG vs KoF?

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#9  February 01, 2020, 02:30:24 am
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Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 02:34:03 am by Realra

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#10  February 01, 2020, 02:32:19 am
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wondering if i can just re-enter my fangore wooden doll footee 0D_wong fei hung team or if they break any of the rules

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#11  February 01, 2020, 02:36:12 am
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Realra said, February 01, 2020, 01:26:47 am
Is this using Mugen 1.0 or 1.1?

mugen 1.1

Mr. Fael said, February 01, 2020, 01:52:52 am
3 or 4 characters?

4 Characters in turns

Nep Heart said, February 01, 2020, 01:59:12 am
Is there a limitation of what gameplay mechanics are permitted so that we don't have obviously lopsided scenarios such as MvC vs SF or GG vs KoF?

Only what's noted in the rules, but I do make certain cases if said character is really cheap even if they do fit within the rules. The variety of characters tends to outweigh a character having better mechanics than others usually

Umezono said, February 01, 2020, 02:32:19 am
wondering if i can just re-enter my fangore wooden doll footee 0D_wong fei hung team or if they break any of the rules

Your team should be fine from last time

Umezono

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#12  February 01, 2020, 02:42:10 am
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#13  February 01, 2020, 03:12:12 am
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Team POTS and JARS (In team order)

Arcueid Brunestud by RajaaBoy/Jadeeye
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/arcueid-brunestud-cvs3pots-style-jadeeye-182477.0.html
Shin Gouki by POTS, AI by Shinsmoke
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/llgl232s7ek9e/Mugen_1.0_AI_Patches_Plus_Edits
Rock Howard by Vyn, AI by SK (pre-configured, use sk_ai.def)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ima116k04gqahjj/cvsxrock.rar?dl=0
Juggernaut by Victorys, AI by Jadeeye (This is already patched)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9nrw66ch29rnr3v/juggy.rar?dl=0
Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 09:02:54 am by President Devon

Mr. Fael

Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#14  February 01, 2020, 04:09:25 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#15  February 01, 2020, 04:50:32 am
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Thanks for the teams so far, I've put a poll on the top whether people would want a losers round or have it be bast two out of three (losers round the majority picked in my idea engineering thread)

Realra said, February 01, 2020, 02:30:24 am
Can't wait to see all the characters people pull out!
Team: Red Hot Chili Spices

Human Saiki by or2=3 (AI by Duagi)
Ono Kohaku by Mariru
Yuri SV by Sui
Archetype:Earth by 41 (AI by M-ism)
Please use palette 5 for all.
I've already created a zip for them all with the proper configuration the link is here.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/jluchu6z7i347yf/Red_Hot_Chili_Spices.zip/file

The only character on that Team I'm probably going to say no to is Yuri SV (and not because it has ohgaki sprites lol)

Mr. Fael said, February 01, 2020, 04:09:25 am
Amidweiz said, February 01, 2020, 02:36:12 am
4 Characters in turns

Ah okay then.

Team "Boundless Life"

Kamen Rider Ryuki by Nanabe
Ryuko by Kamekaze
Ryu by GM
Date Masamune by Neat Unsou


I can't really remember if date does his basara ko or not (I don't think so) but I'm not sure.

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#16  February 01, 2020, 04:01:43 pm
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#17  February 01, 2020, 04:21:50 pm
Prepare to witness characters that have never been witnessed by the naked eye in the history of the MUGEN tournament scene before. - Graves has entered the chat. Get ready boys.

Umezono

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#18  February 01, 2020, 04:23:06 pm
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I thought you were taking a 3 month break, but as expected you were just lurking this forum waiting to find a reason to be annoying.

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#19  February 01, 2020, 04:38:46 pm
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xtortoise

Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#20  February 01, 2020, 04:39:24 pm
Its just that the tournament came at the opportune time so I thought i'd pick up a win before I leave on my journey so I can get a rough idea of where my deck stands compared to others and how much I need to refine it.  Sincerely - GravesDisease
Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 05:06:51 pm by xtortoise

Umezono

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#21  February 01, 2020, 04:45:36 pm
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Im not reading all of that, keep your fanfiction to yourself

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#22  February 01, 2020, 05:13:35 pm
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Can a team consist of characters I have made/edited as long as they fit the other criteria?

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#23  February 01, 2020, 05:16:00 pm
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#24  February 01, 2020, 05:35:51 pm
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Team Name:Mark85's team

Subzero by Odb718
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/subzero718-seanaltly-subzero-custom-edit-173264.0.html
Vyn's Terry as secondary,Vyn's Rugal as third
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/a6bepg66b3bcp/Mugen_Characters
Ai patches for Vyn stuff
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(use sk_ai.def) Ai patches are here,there should be AI_Config.cns in both Terry and Rugal,open it there is a var there put that to expert.

Sagat by Divinewolf as 4th
http://www.trinitymugen.net/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item360
Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 05:52:17 pm by Mark85

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#26  February 01, 2020, 05:52:29 pm
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fixed it

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#27  February 01, 2020, 08:01:30 pm
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xtortoise said, February 01, 2020, 04:39:24 pm
Its just that the tournament came at the opportune time so I thought i'd pick up a win before I leave on my journey so I can get a rough idea of where my deck stands compared to others and how much I need to refine it.  Sincerely - GravesDisease
Getting ready to head out to the Mugen rainforests?
That's neat and all but the real strong stuff can be found in the Mugen pyramids. Watch out for all the traps in them though.

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#28  February 01, 2020, 08:15:36 pm
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Realra said, February 01, 2020, 04:01:43 pm
Amidweiz said, February 01, 2020, 04:50:32 am
The only character on that Team I'm probably going to say no to is Yuri SV (and not because it has ohgaki sprites lol)

Alright how about Shadow Dio by Kikurage
Palette 5 same as the others
https://www.mediafire.com/file/vgl7li8hb063vmn/s_dio.zip/file

That will more than work


Dawn de Era said, February 01, 2020, 05:13:35 pm
Can a team consist of characters I have made/edited as long as they fit the other criteria?

Perfectly fine with me

Mr. Fael said, February 01, 2020, 05:16:00 pm
Amidweiz said, February 01, 2020, 04:50:32 am

I can't really remember if date does his basara ko or not (I don't think so) but I'm not sure.

Basara KO is something that charges over time (and it's blockable.) , but if its a problem in turns, then I'll change him to Ryo by Ikaruga

I'll keep Ryo in mind if that's the case

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#30  February 01, 2020, 10:49:17 pm
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Dawn de Era said, February 01, 2020, 10:05:56 pm
Team: Merry Band of Happy Accidents
David by Dawn de Era & SuperScratchKat
Dancing Banana by Ironcommando (avoid palettes 11 and 12)
Spore by ZETA, edited by Dawn de Era
Doodlebob by Infantry00

If I did anything wrong, please call me out on it.
Dancing Banana might be an iffy pick, so if he's booted, I'll have Derp by neocargalpha, edited by InvincibleMugenGuy2013 as a backup.

That team will do we've had dancing banana in the past (yea I don't touch 11th, 12th palette GG gold mode palettes at all for these lol), also I've made an executive decision to increase the life from %100 to %120, the fight is still shorter but people won't get destroyed in two combos. This also means I'll probably go for the losers bracket as originally planned.

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#31  February 01, 2020, 11:11:47 pm
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xtortoise said, February 01, 2020, 04:39:24 pm
Its just that the tournament came at the opportune time so I thought i'd pick up a win before I leave on my journey so I can get a rough idea of where my deck stands compared to others and how much I need to refine it.  Sincerely - GravesDisease

Ill personally toss you back into the forest you were supposed to be lost in if you start narrating at people again.

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#32  February 01, 2020, 11:30:35 pm
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#33  February 01, 2020, 11:43:45 pm
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 I think I'll take a shot at this.

 Don't really have a "team" per se since I just play whatever I feel like playing atm, but just for the sake of this tournament, I'll just name my entry "Nep 'Em Up."

 Mami Tomoe by Otzkai
 Sayaka Miki by Otzkai
 Akari Ichijou by Nep Heart
 Miyako Arima by Nep Heart

 Mami and Sayaka can be found here: https://ux.getuploader.com/funnyvent/
 Akari and Miyako can be found here: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/nep-heart-depository-186018.0.html

 Taking turns in Turn Mode in that exact order. MUGEN's difficulty settings would best be set to 8 since the last two are dependent on MUGEN's difficulty level for their AI to fight at the best.

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#34  February 02, 2020, 12:26:35 am
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#35  February 02, 2020, 01:01:26 am
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Nep Heart said, February 01, 2020, 11:43:45 pm
Taking turns in Turn Mode in that exact order. MUGEN's difficulty settings would best be set to 8 since the last two are dependent on MUGEN's difficulty level for their AI to fight at the best.

I always put it on hard 8 for the difficulty settings, also curious if you wouldn't mind me joining in this tournament as well since last time I did that I got shouted at (winning the thing didn't really help either lol

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#36  February 02, 2020, 01:17:19 am
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 Well, you're the tournament organizer, I see no issue with you joining your own event.

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#37  February 02, 2020, 02:14:30 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#38  February 02, 2020, 02:32:49 am
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Umezono said, February 02, 2020, 02:14:30 am
Meldo Wiseau said, February 02, 2020, 12:26:35 am
Team Name: Light Touch

Angela Belti by DrKelexo
http://kelexo.thedailypos.org/games/mugen/

Terry Bogard by Soy Sauce (AI config in config.txt)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/el7c5jc9gghl5/MUGEN

Wong Fei Hung (Martial Masters) by Descolor
http://descolor.yokochou.com/

RB2 Mr. Karate by Kamekaze
http://kamekaze.trinitymugen.net/

lol we both got wong fei hung on our team

I mean I don't really have any issues with dupe characters, just as long as it isn't like a whole team of the same character (unless people want me to be concerned about that lol)

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#39  February 02, 2020, 02:41:52 am
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Amidweiz said, February 02, 2020, 02:32:49 am
I mean I don't really have any issues with dupe characters, just as long as it isn't like a whole team of the same character (unless people want me to be concerned about that lol)

It's no big deal really in my opinion as well, Unless its heavily duped. I believe there was a tournament that had like 3 or 4 Frank Wests. It can become a little tiresome when you start seeing the same character more that twice. But like Nep said, your tournament, your rules.

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#40  February 02, 2020, 03:39:17 am
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#41  February 02, 2020, 08:07:44 am
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Umezono said, February 02, 2020, 02:14:30 am
Meldo Wiseau said, February 02, 2020, 12:26:35 am
Team Name: Light Touch

Angela Belti by DrKelexo
http://kelexo.thedailypos.org/games/mugen/

Terry Bogard by Soy Sauce (AI config in config.txt)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/el7c5jc9gghl5/MUGEN

Wong Fei Hung (Martial Masters) by Descolor
http://descolor.yokochou.com/

RB2 Mr. Karate by Kamekaze
http://kamekaze.trinitymugen.net/

lol we both got wong fei hung on our team

I added him in my team because he did well in a previous tournament that I took part in lol

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#42  February 02, 2020, 10:06:54 am
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Nep Heart said, February 02, 2020, 01:17:19 am
Well, you're the tournament organizer, I see no issue with you joining your own event.

I guess, though also one thing. Why do your characters heal to full when they win a round and go to the next one. I mean Spammy Akari and Miyako 94' (Because the damage levels feel like rugals second form in KoF 94') are already good did they really need that. I mean they give donald desu's ronald mc donald (a pretty damn cheap ronald edit) on normal settings a decent challenge. I'm trying to keep this tournament somewhat balanced to a degree.
Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 10:26:10 am by Amidweiz

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#43  February 02, 2020, 10:08:26 am
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 Wait, how is that happening? They shouldn't be healing between rounds like that, not with what I tested at least. I'll need to check and fix that myself since it may have likely been something left over from beta testing my own stuff in KO scenarios.

 Edit: Oof, just checked, it was a lifeset left over from testing certain types of interactive intros/hitstates. Should be fixed now.
Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 10:27:20 am by Nep Heart

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#44  February 02, 2020, 10:30:27 am
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Nep Heart said, February 02, 2020, 10:08:26 am
Wait, how is that happening? They shouldn't be healing between rounds like that, not with what I tested at least. I'll need to check and fix that myself since it may have likely been something left over from beta testing my own stuff in KO scenarios.

Oh damn, well that's what's happening on my end, though my point in the post above still stands with them being pretty borked anyways (even if they are defeatable)

Edit: Here's a video of it https://streamable.com/gvuvq
Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 10:41:37 am by Amidweiz

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#45  February 02, 2020, 01:11:05 pm
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The Blue Suns will join the tournament. My team will be the following:

Shiori Misaka (DABA): https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=48267-shiori-misaka-daba
AI Patch: https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=110251-ai-patch-for-shiori-misaka-arl

Mai Kawasumi: http://slowstep-mugen.versus.jp/main.html
AI Patch: https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=58767-ai-by-eruk-for-eternal-fighter-zero-eruk

Sayuri Kurata: http://slowstep-mugen.versus.jp/main.html
AI Patch: https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=97958-ai-patches-pack-yuka-yuka

Reimu Hakurei: https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=74111-reimu-nachel
AI Patch: https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=1796-reimu-ai-kazayuuka OR https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=100321-reimu-hakurei-voiced-ai-patch-nachel

If there are problems, let me know as soon as you can. Yes, the links are for the archive, BUT some of the sites holding these characters have expired... (such as Nachel's Reimu).

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#46  February 02, 2020, 05:44:10 pm
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#47  February 02, 2020, 05:49:01 pm
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NICK54222 said, February 02, 2020, 01:11:05 pm
If there are problems, let me know as soon as you can. Yes, the links are for the archive, BUT some of the sites holding these characters have expired... (such as Nachel's Reimu).

I'd suggest putting these characters up on sites like MEGA, Mediafire or DropBox for easy sharing.
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#48  February 02, 2020, 08:12:57 pm
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RagingRowen said, February 02, 2020, 05:49:01 pm
NICK54222 said, February 02, 2020, 01:11:05 pm
If there are problems, let me know as soon as you can. Yes, the links are for the archive, BUT some of the sites holding these characters have expired... (such as Nachel's Reimu).

I'd suggest putting these characters up on sites like MEGA, Mediafire or DropBox for easy sharing.

Maybe that should work. In addition, I'll have the AI Patches with the files. How does that sound?

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#49  February 02, 2020, 08:47:03 pm
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#50  February 02, 2020, 09:23:12 pm
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NICK54222 said, February 02, 2020, 08:47:03 pm
Alright, here's another try for the links for my team (Blue Suns):

Shiori Misaka (DABA, AI Patched): https://mega.nz/#!3F8lEajR!HGUjGMKZahTkKcK9OUDsd5rk2aX6BU5LJWEpnwgbYOU
Mai Kawasumi (586, eruk): https://mega.nz/#!KAUGzKYb!Fg66fR4CjjVCzyr7fq17kEyGZLtp7TqH_c-t2yyWfQs
Sayuri Kurata (586, yuka): https://mega.nz/#!Pct3gIDD!3YIUS6C_AStiAn-M9O1KrLl4LjHOmUXtgirICJb81tQ
Reimu Hakurei (Nachel, Rakesisu, Choiyer (voiced): https://mega.nz/#!zFtnAAyb!m1PmpqSH1LRR0XUUSr-HW46_Q5-Ci2Vsufm4Q6lwmU0

Yep this would be preferred over my big butts and I can not lie (horrid permutation of an injoke).

Also this is for nep again, god watching your characters (the characters you made, not the other two those are fine ironically) is kinda painful to watch as they murder every single character in their sight, (most barely get past Akari, if they even put a dent in her that is) they severely need a harder damage dampener/a damage reduction on pretty much every attack and grab in their current state. As I said last post they can compete with DonaldDesu's Ronald McDonald on default settings (straight out of the rar file default mind you which is random strikers and default blocking) and I don't think you want these characters to hold said title because they're looking pretty damn bannable currently. Also why does miyako have grappler health (which is pretty much anything above 1000 life which miyako is set to 1100 and do realize that is being timesed up by the life% in the options)

Edit: Reimu is banned, she starts before the intro and I can't seem to fix that
Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 10:55:31 pm by Amidweiz

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#51  February 03, 2020, 12:47:44 am
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 AFAIK, they can fight evenly with Muteki's Guilty Gear characters, whom they share a lot of similarities with mechanically, but I think their damage is fine otherwise given that their combos were designed with a guts system in mind. I've seen far worse damage in commercial fighting games, even between sequels, anyway. Also, 1100 is the health ratio that Miyako has in MBAACC (actually, it's closer to 1125), which again, is not unusual for an anime fighter since characters who do not look like big, bulky grapplers such as Captain America in MvC and Yang in BBTag have similar health ratios.

 That is exactly why I asked about if there will be strict mechanical limitations for this tournament earlier, but anyway, I'll compromise with replacements based on other characters I play around with.

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#52  February 03, 2020, 02:16:34 am
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Nep Heart said, February 03, 2020, 12:47:44 am
AFAIK, they can fight evenly with Muteki's Guilty Gear characters, whom they share a lot of similarities with mechanically, but I think their damage is fine otherwise given that their combos were designed with a guts system in mind. I've seen far worse damage in commercial fighting games, even between sequels, anyway. Also, 1100 is the health ratio that Miyako has in MBAACC (actually, it's closer to 1125), which again, is not unusual for an anime fighter since characters who do not look like big, bulky grapplers such as Captain America in MvC and Yang in BBTag have similar health ratios.

Though the majority of characters in mugen don't really rely upon said guts system, they tend to just have damage dampening on their own moves and just rely upon how mugen has defense set up. Even with muteki's GG characters even if they are better than what most characters had, I never felt like the opponent was completely screwed if they wiffed a punch once. (this isn't taking ai patches by other authors into account)  If anything a dip switch for a harder dampener would be nice (since they would be more fair with the rest since they can do such easy long combos to opponents). Yea there are commercial FG's with bigger damage, though they tend to be older and are not able to juggle the opponent into oblivion with ease. I had an assumption that miyako had that health in source, though if the majority of the cast has that health then it would be safe to assume that health is its 1000 life when mugen is concerned. Also I don't remember Captian America being a grappler lol (more rushdown) I was thinking more zangeif with that.

Nep Heart said, February 03, 2020, 12:47:44 am
That is exactly why I asked about if there will be strict mechanical limitations for this tournament earlier, but anyway, I'll compromise with replacements based on other characters I play around with.

Other than what I've listed on the rules since those mechanics tend to fuck with characters AI, I don't really want to do a mechanic witch hunt with my tournaments since I feel that would be a slippery slope to a point where tournaments would end up being just boiling down to pick X to participate

Your replacements will work

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#53  February 03, 2020, 02:37:10 am
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 UMvC3 and HnK aren't really that old and you can get 60-70% combos with moderate effort and 1 meter in those games (and that's without X-Factor for the former), yet you can get juggled into oblivion in those (i'd say more so even).

 Actually, MBAACC has different defense ratings, universal health is 11400 (or 1000 by MUGEN standard) and Miyako's defense modifiers bring her up to 12825.

 I was more alluding to the fact that Captain America (and Yang) are non-grapplers, but they have Zangief health. Then again, from my own experience, anime fighters tend to have larger life discrepancies than more traditional fighters like KoF, CvS and SF.

 Anyway, good to see these characters at least work out even if some people find their AI "cheap".

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#54  February 03, 2020, 04:27:06 am
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Amidweiz said, February 02, 2020, 09:23:12 pm
NICK54222 said, February 02, 2020, 08:47:03 pm
Alright, here's another try for the links for my team (Blue Suns):

Shiori Misaka (DABA, AI Patched): https://mega.nz/#!3F8lEajR!HGUjGMKZahTkKcK9OUDsd5rk2aX6BU5LJWEpnwgbYOU
Mai Kawasumi (586, eruk): https://mega.nz/#!KAUGzKYb!Fg66fR4CjjVCzyr7fq17kEyGZLtp7TqH_c-t2yyWfQs
Sayuri Kurata (586, yuka): https://mega.nz/#!Pct3gIDD!3YIUS6C_AStiAn-M9O1KrLl4LjHOmUXtgirICJb81tQ
Reimu Hakurei (Nachel, Rakesisu, Choiyer (voiced): https://mega.nz/#!zFtnAAyb!m1PmpqSH1LRR0XUUSr-HW46_Q5-Ci2Vsufm4Q6lwmU0

Yep this would be preferred over my big butts and I can not lie (horrid permutation of an injoke).

Also this is for nep again, god watching your characters (the characters you made, not the other two those are fine ironically) is kinda painful to watch as they murder every single character in their sight, (most barely get past Akari, if they even put a dent in her that is) they severely need a harder damage dampener/a damage reduction on pretty much every attack and grab in their current state. As I said last post they can compete with DonaldDesu's Ronald McDonald on default settings (straight out of the rar file default mind you which is random strikers and default blocking) and I don't think you want these characters to hold said title because they're looking pretty damn bannable currently. Also why does miyako have grappler health (which is pretty much anything above 1000 life which miyako is set to 1100 and do realize that is being timesed up by the life% in the options)

Edit: Reimu is banned, she starts before the intro and I can't seem to fix that

I'll give you a replacement link then.

Reimu: https://mega.nz/#!jRkVxYRL!B38f3B0MKaW73mMzxRN5YV1Qr78Zj9F7b4HkKrUJ6rI

IF that version still is banned, then use this instead:

Ayu Tsukimiya (586, eruk): https://mega.nz/#!bRsT1AhC!v0nzFGQXrNN5WI9HxwwYnamzjgET2NW_qgwkXQcYHmI

And then the order will be this: Shiori Misaka, Mai Kawasumi, Sayuri Kurata, Ayu Tsukimiya

Team will still be Blue Suns, BUT it can also be Kanon All-Stars because of the characters.
Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 04:32:40 am by NICK54222

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#55  February 03, 2020, 06:53:30 am
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NICK54222 said, February 03, 2020, 04:27:06 am
I'll give you a replacement link then.

Reimu: https://mega.nz/#!jRkVxYRL!B38f3B0MKaW73mMzxRN5YV1Qr78Zj9F7b4HkKrUJ6rI

IF that version still is banned, then use this instead:

Ayu Tsukimiya (586, eruk): https://mega.nz/#!bRsT1AhC!v0nzFGQXrNN5WI9HxwwYnamzjgET2NW_qgwkXQcYHmI

And then the order will be this: Shiori Misaka, Mai Kawasumi, Sayuri Kurata, Ayu Tsukimiya

Team will still be Blue Suns, BUT it can also be Kanon All-Stars because of the characters.

Ayu will work, I think it's more of an issue somewhere within reimu's AI (since that one started before the intro too), and the fix to disable AI control after intro didn't work (adding the ctrl = 0 flag to the changstate to state 0).

Also for people who use the email to sign up for this tournament, quit trying to request access for being able to edit the spreadsheet. I'm using said spreadsheet to show how is signed up currently.

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#56  February 03, 2020, 08:07:42 pm
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#57  February 05, 2020, 04:24:29 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#58  February 05, 2020, 05:25:39 am
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At this point we have 16 people in this tournament meaning we could run this (as 16 being a power of 2) though there are more people joining this so I'll probably stick it out to 32 people.

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#59  February 06, 2020, 08:23:40 pm
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#60  February 06, 2020, 09:00:40 pm
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Oh, I just double-checked the spreadsheet; my team's full name is "MUGEN by The Jester" (in reference to quote/scene from an AVGN episode), just in case there was any confusion (I only mention this because there's a longer name already on there, so I'm assuming it's not a matter of shortening it).

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#61  February 07, 2020, 03:54:30 am
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Nep Heart said, February 06, 2020, 08:23:40 pm
Is it okay if I switch out Sayaka Miki for Ecoco by ali? Kinda want more variety in my entries both gameplay and series wise.

https://mega.nz/#!0mIzVSwJ!Te090HiidNNqB9-j2b7RrwhiXar2GU-uQU0vDldagAs

That will work, she was set at 0.5 scale so I've set her to 0.6 scale (she seemed a tad bit short at 0.5)

SerbianYugoThief said, February 06, 2020, 09:00:40 pm
Oh, I just double-checked the spreadsheet; my team's full name is "MUGEN by The Jester" (in reference to quote/scene from an AVGN episode), just in case there was any confusion (I only mention this because there's a longer name already on there, so I'm assuming it's not a matter of shortening it).

I'll go fix that lol

Edit: There is more than 16 people now, so I'll wait for 32 people to join. Also I thought there was an option to make edits show activity on a thread.
Last Edit: February 10, 2020, 09:02:46 pm by Amidweiz

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#62  February 12, 2020, 06:37:42 pm
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#63  February 12, 2020, 09:36:01 pm
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#64  February 13, 2020, 04:59:42 am
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Monochu360 said, February 12, 2020, 06:37:42 pm
Yo can I Join In
Team Name: NeonStar

Fluttershy(Moku)https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=57186-fluttershy-moku

Gundog:http://www.mediafire.com/file/yobc13p33bu8fbs/gundog.rar/file

Jumbo(Kazecat)http://www.mediafire.com/file/ztewo37qetkk3jt/Jumbo.zip

Ragna The Bloodedeg:https://BLACKLISTED WEBSITE.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=96337-ragna-the-bloodedge-ohmsby

That will work though I'll probably put fluttershy as anchor because you know... Moku lol

Sanchem003 said, February 12, 2020, 09:36:01 pm
I will be join it
Team writual discovery junior retainer
MVC wakko warner
Me and the boys
Homer Simpson X http://www.mediafire.com/file/2wk29r54515byei/homerDDR2.2.rar/file
Rocket raccoon

That team seems ok (not sure, might have to retest once all teams are submitted) though I'm probably gonna have to say no to me and the boys considering Brergrsart's characters are not really known for balance (as much as they are funny to watch also me and the boys looks like a music claim hell lol)

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and I do tend to use it for when I suspect a character(s) might be a bit overpowered as much as I don't like doing such. I also might do one last check through the entire roster once all 32 teams are in. I've also updated the spreadsheet to show this accordingly (should be pretty obvious).
Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 08:42:29 am by Amidweiz

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#65  February 13, 2020, 01:16:54 pm
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Change me and the boys into fakir by the none

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#66  February 15, 2020, 12:37:41 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#67  February 15, 2020, 01:38:25 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#68  February 15, 2020, 05:31:46 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#69  February 15, 2020, 07:11:13 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#70  February 16, 2020, 07:11:16 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#71  February 22, 2020, 07:36:08 pm
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Added another poll, this time how I should pan out the tournament with the video/stream
Last Edit: March 08, 2020, 10:51:52 pm by Amidweiz

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#72  March 08, 2020, 10:52:50 pm
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Just a reminder to people that there are three team slots left to fill up, getting close to starting this tournament

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#73  March 09, 2020, 04:40:44 pm
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#74  March 09, 2020, 06:03:49 pm
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#75  March 09, 2020, 09:46:41 pm
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Realra said, March 09, 2020, 04:40:44 pm
Amidweiz said, February 22, 2020, 07:36:08 pm
Added another poll, this time how I should pan out the tournament with the video/stream

I don't see the Poll.

It's at the top of the page also one team slot left

Edit: I've put a ban list on the OP so I can keep track of characters that do fit under the rules set but are horrible to watch as they can easily flatten the competition with ease
Last Edit: March 10, 2020, 06:59:28 am by Amidweiz

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#76  March 11, 2020, 07:54:13 am
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#77  March 11, 2020, 09:08:32 am
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the first character column on the sign up sheet is missing

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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#78  March 12, 2020, 02:18:36 am
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#79  March 12, 2020, 05:19:34 pm
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So what time does the tournament start

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#80  March 15, 2020, 04:08:26 am
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Guilty Please said, March 12, 2020, 05:19:34 pm
So what time does the tournament start

I'll tell people when I'll premiere this on YT, also I have recorded all the teams so all changes in the spreadsheet are final.. Since the poll is dead even I'm going to pick the second option (Winners until semifinals then losers bracket until semi final) and throw up a new poll. EDIT: File size is less with just a image so I'm going with that
Last Edit: March 16, 2020, 06:09:40 am by Amidweiz

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#81  March 24, 2020, 06:14:16 pm
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I have dropped the link for the youtube premiere on the OP also yes I'm repremiering it because of technical issues with the video

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the person who put Great Wario in their team is my worst enemy
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Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival
#83  March 25, 2020, 02:09:06 am
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