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Started by Laxxe23, July 02, 2008, 11:47:40 PM

Poll

should we have a potrait during the fight?

yes(hires)
11 (44%)
yes(norm res)
2 (8%)
no(they would clash with the lifebar)
12 (48%)

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Portrait or no portrait during fight
#21  August 12, 2008, 03:27:59 PM
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personally i think that it would clash with the lifebar, but thats my opinion, lets hear yours
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Re: Portrait or no portrait during fight
#22  August 12, 2008, 03:48:33 PM
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looking at the size of the life bars no portraits would be better (IMO)
Re: Portrait or no portrait during fight
#23  August 12, 2008, 07:01:26 PM
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I'm for trying something like GlassBox's lifebars, with large portraits overlapping a little the lifebars in a stylish way.
Feedback from the beta testers
#24  August 14, 2008, 11:51:24 PM
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here is where the feedback will go for the beta testers
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Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#25  August 15, 2008, 01:36:39 AM
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General game and two characters tested for now. Here goes my first input. Will test other chars after a good sleep. :)

MENU AND ALL :

- As said, mugen.cfg out of the molebox please.
- Music works very badly for me. Might want to put the plug-in folder out of molebox too, so that people can add their own one.
- Title screen : nice beginning, but still needs things to make it more original, such as different sounds, different big fonts, animations, etc.
- Select screen : nice. Fonts have to be changed, of course, and it would be a nice idea to create a specific font for the name of the chars, using "A" for Zenith, "B" for Maddigan, etc. This will allow you to hhave very stylish fonts for the names and really make it looks nicer. Of course, you'll also have to remake the fonts for the lifebar names in this case.
- This fonts idea could also be applied to the title screen if you want, a bit like Ziltama did for the coruscation screenpack.
- What are you planning for the background of the VS screen ? Sounds too ? And maybe animations too.
- The fonts for the lifebars are too big. The name "Moses Madiggan" goes on the other side of the lifebars since it's too long.
- During all the fights, there are some strange CLSN boxes at P1's place. Seems like the helper that created the power and gauge meters.
- P2 still has his small portrait. Remove it please for testing purpose.
- The display position of the life/damage (in debug mode) at the top of the screen really doesn't help testing. :(
- The diagonal part of the lifebar (the bottom one) is really edgy IMO. Any way to arrange that a little ?
- No number 0 (zero) for the hit combo counter ?


STAGES :


- NY City Sonata : Pink pixel at the bottom right of the stage.
- Crystal Tokyo Tower : put some layerno=1 at the bottom left and bottom right of the stage so that it doesn't look like the shadows of the chars are in "nothing" when one char is in the corner of the stage.
- Sewer : this stage lacks life IMO. It would be a perfect stage to implement some stage interaction, by having some water splashes when the chars jump. :)
- Clubbin' in the city just doesn't fit, as it's a high-res stage. Stick to only one kind of stages please, or it won't have a full-game feeling.


ZENITH :

- The intro CLSN doesn't make any sense. Wait, after looking at it, you made a common CLSN for the intro of all the characters ! o_O
- light punch : CLSN missing on a part of the move.
- Medium punch : CLSN missing on a part of the move.
- Medium punch : the swing sound is displayed before the pole swings.
- same thing concerning swing sound on hard punch, crouching hard punch.
- Blue CLSNs shouldn't be moving one crouching low punch.
- Too many CLSNs on qcb+P. And the swing sound displays before.
- Light punch juggles a lot apparently. Could juggle up to 7 times.
- superscythe has too many hitboxes on the scythe.
- His small portrait has abs, but not his big one.
- Some things in the CMD are quite strange, such as setting up several times the same command ("running" and "superkick3" for example).
- AI fight, Zenith VS Vesper : Zenith used a scythe thing to send Vesper in the air. She tried to recover, and then I can't remember and she got stuck :



VESPER :

- Strong punch sound is displayed before her punch swings.
- When Vesper is lying on the ground, she doesn't get up where she was lying, which results in her being able to get up behind the opponent if he's too close.
- If wheelkick is performed very close to the opponent, Vesper will finish the move on the other side of the screen.
- What's the point of light version of flashkick if the opponent regains control in the air beofre/at the same time as Vesper ?
- Throw problem : you can see another arm sprite displayed over the sprites. 3 things : you forgot to set Vesper's sprite priority lower than the opponent's one, the arm isn't the same one as Vesper's one (timing problem), and it seems to be misaligned (which may come from the timng).
- If the opponent is in the corner, and Vesper performs the kicksuper (qcb*2+K), then she finishes on the other side of the opponent.
- The power charging FX during kicksuper should be on her foot IMO.
- I don't understand what Superbite does. o_O (Yeah, we need a readme) And what powers or powerup does the regular bitting special do ?
Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#26  August 15, 2008, 01:53:07 AM
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adamas
-stance clsn seems to have unneeded moving parts
-during the formation of diamond shot he ends up being able to hit at the shoulder at the same time that he throws the projectile, but not doing any damage with the rest of the arm

analysing the combos I was unsure if they were supposed to be like this.
-can do five hits by uppercuting opponent, two weak punches, medium punch and hard punch.
-command name icestorm( down forward down forward kick)  can be comboed into a diamond fist or ex diamond fist
-his slide kick can result in pretty weird cross overs, as the opponents fly over his head and you can even hit them with a diamond shot before arriving to the ground
-If you perform his super movements whilst airbourne he performs them the moment he touches the ground, managing to do them safely when airbourne during attacks.

moses madiggan
-the little clsn box on his foot seems not needed on the stance
-spamming crouching hard kicks can give up to five hits, ground the enemy with a down back kick and you can do up to six
-crouch in front of opponent, hard punch, the enemy is sent to the air, you can follow them up, hit a full chain of weak kick into medium kick into hard kick, land and stll juggle him with a chain of weak punch into medium punch into hard punch, sometimes even landing an extra punch.making for nine hits without even using specials.




Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#27  August 15, 2008, 04:33:51 AM
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fixed chad in black
kamekaze fixed the throw bug
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Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#28  August 15, 2008, 05:07:52 AM
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I've had too bad of a day to respond to all these, accept this one:

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- When Vesper is lying on the ground, she doesn't get up where she was lying, which results in her being able to get up behind the opponent if he's too close.

She gets up where she was laying, she justs stands straight up onto her feet, ala Vega from the SF2 animated movie. It's supposed to be like that. People hovering over her get punished for it.

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Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#29  August 15, 2008, 02:52:03 PM
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2nd wave of feedback is here.


GENERAL :

- Any chance to see the number of powerbars, because there's nothing to indicate us if we've reached 1000 or 2000 power.
- I'd suggest Winane's AI activation code rather than the impossible human command one.
- On the title screen, it could be nice changing the name of the modes, for more originality.
- Concerning the announcers (round 1, fight, KO), aren't they missing transparency ?
- The "ready, fight" text is not announced at the same time as the voice, and chars start to fight before the moment the "fight" text appears, while I feel it should be a little after.


MOSES MADDIGAN :

- Throw could use more brutality and some envshake.
- Why does strong shoulder (qcf+Z) and strong hook (qcb+Z) have negative edge ???
- Light punch is missing blue CLSNs.
- light punch juggles a lot IMO. After EX Hook, I could juggle with light punch up to 8 times.
- supershoulder seems to give back power to Maddigan.


BLOODTIDE :

- CLSNs on basic atttacks need work. When she hits, many unnecessary CLSNs appear.
- arrowkick has bad CLSNs. Needs only one red and one blue one instead of 3 of each.
- Three versions of cutcha are the same ?
- No hitspark nor any destroy sprite for bloodshot ?
- twirlair commands in the CMD are useless since they are already defined with the twirlhop ones.
- The blood sprites during redcyclone are really small. Also, the sounds make it lack power, and maybe adding some envshakes may be good.
- Same for aircyclone. And the definition of these commands in the CMD is useless.

- AI fight Bloodtime VS Adamas : 65261 : warning : player adamas (33) in state 441: changed to invalid state 441 (from state 140). Sorry, I can't remember what happened.


ADAMAS :

- If both Adamas walk one to the other, they shake. Width problem.
- Pushback should be using only 2 buttons instead of 3, it's the only move which has 3 buttons in the whole game, which clashes.
- Light punch is missing blue CLSNs.
- Crouching medium kick is missing blue CLSNs.
- Crouching medium punch is missing blue CLSNs.
- Crouching light punch and crouching light kick have their blue CLSNs which move while there's not reason to.
- CLSNs during jump need a lot of work.
- No sound during jump and landing.
- I don't understand the red CLSN on the second hit of ddust.
- EXshard misses if performed very close to the opponent.
- Air medium diamond dust makes Adamas go forward, which looks very strange when he's jumping backward. The vels applied to Adamas should be function of the vels he has while jumping.
- "shard" commands are useless, since the ddust ones are already defined.
- Light backdash (qcb+X) is strange, since Adamas completely stops his movement (doesn't slide anymore) when he touches the opponent, which seems quite unnatural.
- superdash (qcb*2+P) only does a 3 hits combo instead of 4. However, this doesn't affect gameplay.
- Opponent shouldn't be able to recover in air after SuperDash IMO.
- superd (qcf*2+P in the air) lacks visual impact power, and the super charge FX should be placed on the hand.
- Why do some supers have time=35 to be performed and other time=25 or even time=40 ? Some consistency please.
- The super S move is AI only !!! o_O


CHAD :

- ghostdive has really odd hitpauses.
- charlie shouldn't allow the opponent to recover.
- No transparency for superupper ?
- Her AI shows her much stronger than the other chars, except for Maddigan. o_O

Very original character, I like her fighting style. :)


OTHERS :

- Huge problem in the chars I just realised : the Super S moves require to have less than 250 life, but don't require any power. However, when performed, they always remove 3000 power.
- AI match : Zenith throwed the opponent with his scythe (it looks like a throw, but it's not the C+z one), and the opponent got stuck in the air.
- Didn't take the time to check back all the moves, but most supers should have some air.recover=0.
- Also, concerning the Lv S Supers, I think there should be something like a superBG or some superFX showing they are the chars' most powerful technique.
Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 04:21:46 PM by Cybaster
Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#30  August 15, 2008, 08:38:25 PM
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- Concerning the announcers (round 1, fight, KO), aren't they missing transparency ?
- The "ready, fight" text is not announced at the same time as the voice, and chars start to fight before the moment the "fight" text appears, while I feel it should be a little after.

Yes, I always thought this was something that was going to get fixed, so I never said anything to Laxxe, but it hasn't been fixed yet so I don't know what's going on.

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- The blood sprites during redcyclone are really small. Also, the sounds make it lack power, and maybe adding some envshakes may be good.

The move isn't a powerful one. It hits numerous times, and each hit does very little damage. It is meant for combos and envshake would be unnecessary.

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- Crouching light punch and crouching light kick have their blue CLSNs which move while there's not reason to.

Yeah, not trying to sound like a dick here, but do you know how irritating it is to have the clsn match up EXACTLY from the crouching anim to the crouching attacks? I use fighter factory. The crouching anim is at the front of the .air, and the attacks are in the middle. I'm not going to sit there and fiddle with it for an hour until they're exact and don't move even one little pixel. It has no effect on gameplay, so it doesn't matter.

Also, for once and for all, are the green clsn's not the same as the blue ones? Green ones are blue ones that I've hit "clsn standard" on, making them standard throughout every frame of the move.

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- No sound during jump and landing.

I didn't realize he had no landing sound, but no one has a jumping sound so why would he?

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- EXshard misses if performed very close to the opponent.

Which is why I put a red clsn and a hitdef on the anim of throwing a regular Diamond Shard, but everyone complained.

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- Air medium diamond dust makes Adamas go forward, which looks very strange when he's jumping backward. The vels applied to Adamas should be function of the vels he has while jumping.

The word "should" is driving me nuts here. I intentionally made his vels work that way. These are superheroes, and this is a videogame. I made each Diamond Dust propel him in a different direction for move variety. The HP moves him, backwards, the MP forwards, and the LP has none and he just goes in whichever direction he was jumping.

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- Why do some supers have time=35 to be performed and other time=25 or even time=40 ? Some consistency please.

Does this really matter?!?

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- The super S move is AI only !!!

Yeah, I noticed this too. I'm guessing it got deleted accidentally during the making of the AI (which I didn't make). I have fixed this already.

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- Her AI shows her much stronger than the other chars, except for Maddigan.

Yes, I've noticed this too but I haven't brought it up to Kamekaze yet. I made these characters and it still took me 6 continues to beat her. It may have something to do with her priority issues. Many of her attacks have infinite priority because she's not the one doing the attacking, it's her ghosts, so I didn't feel comfortable putting blue clsns on her ghosts, so I was kind of at a loss. I'm working on this issue now.

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- Huge problem in the chars I just realised : the Super S moves require to have less than 250 life, but don't require any power. However, when performed, they always remove 3000 power.

This is not a problem, I did this on purpose. They are no longer "Level S" moves, they are Desperation Moves. The way these work is that they don't require you to have a full Super Stock (because having a full super stock and less than 250 health seems like it would happen rarely), but they do use up whatever super stock you have left, so that they're not "free." I know DMs work differently in other games, but this is how I wanted them to work here.

Thanks for the feedback. This stuff is being worked on. It was a beta, so many of the presentation issues we were already aware of. I have to say Cybaster, you may be thorough, but sometimes I feel you over-analyze. Many of these things that you've mentioned often have no real effect on gameplay. I will be working on the recovery and juggle issues, since the AI loves to juggle after you recover, and a few other problems, but a lot of it also staying the same.

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Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 09:09:59 PM by seanaltly
Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#31  August 15, 2008, 08:47:29 PM
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The character threads like you did for Moses Maddigan would be pretty useful, also some kind of readme explaining the system, to avoid reporting things that are done on purpose.
Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#32  August 15, 2008, 10:04:58 PM
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Yeah, not trying to sound like a dick here, but do you know how irritating it is to have the clsn match up EXACTLY from the crouching anim to the crouching attacks? I use fighter factory. The crouching anim is at the front of the .air, and the attacks are in the middle. I'm not going to sit there and fiddle with it for an hour until they're exact and don't move even one little pixel. It has no effect on gameplay, so it doesn't matter.
As far as I recall, fighter factory has an option which allows to copy-paste a CLSN from a sprite/action to another.

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Also, for once and for all, are the green clsn's not the same as the blue ones? Green ones are blue ones that I've hit "clsn standard" on, making them standard throughout every frame of the move.
Are you talking about the fact that I said that several attacks didn't have blue CLSNs (because I'm confused by this comment) ? The CLSN Default option can have some problems if set up badly, although I don't know the details.


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Which is why I put a red clsn and a hitdef on the anim of throwing a regular Diamond Shard, but everyone complained.
Why so serious ? [/jk] The red CLSN is nice, but putting it on the whole arm would make more sense. Or other solution : use a width controller.

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The word "should" is driving me nuts here. I intentionally made his vels work that way. These are superheroes, and this is a videogame. I made each Diamond Dust propel him in a different direction for move variety. The HP moves him, backwards, the MP forwards, and the LP has none and he just goes in whichever direction he was jumping.
Hey, keep cool ! Don't forget that I was given the beta without any readme, which would have allowed me to understand all the game mechanics and the things made on purpose and those not made on purpose. I'm just giving my honest opinion on what I think is strange. No need to take it so personally.

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Does this really matter?!?
Yes, because the supers will be very easy to perform for some chars, and harder for others, while the commands will be the same.

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This is not a problem, I did this on purpose. They are no longer "Level S" moves, they are Desperation Moves. The way these work is that they don't require you to have a full Super Stock (because having a full super stock and less than 250 health seems like it would happen rarely), but they do use up whatever super stock you have left, so that they're not "free." I know DMs work differently in other games, but this is how I wanted them to work here.
Yeah, talked about it with Laxxe23, I thought it was really a strange idea. Fine though.

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I have to say Cybaster, you may be thorough, but sometimes I feel you over-analyze. Many of these things that you've mentioned often have no real effect on gameplay.
I agree that most of the things such as double definition of the commands and such don't really affect gameplay, but yeah, as a guy doing computer science and mathematics, I'm often a perfectionist and like clean coding, so I like to nitpick.

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I will be working on the recovery and juggle issues, since the AI loves to juggle after you recover, and a few other problems, but a lot of it also staying the same.
Will be waiting.

The game is coming along very nicely, good luck with everything. :)
Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#33  August 15, 2008, 10:40:13 PM
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-the ghosts based of basara could use some editing, as of now, they look like the spitting image of him
-down forward down forward kick, that ghost lacks transparency
-as the chains are performed, chad is pushed back, but NOT the starting point of the ghosts. This ends up making her safer from hits, as she keeps hitting the opponent even when she is being pushed back way further than her "fists" are striking.
Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#34  August 16, 2008, 09:32:12 AM
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As far as I recall, fighter factory has an option which allows to copy-paste a CLSN from a sprite/action to another.

You can copy from frame to frame within the same animation, but as far as I know, you can't fully copy clsns from one animation to the other. If anyone knows of this feature, let me know, because it would make things a lot easier for me.

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Yeah, talked about it with Laxxe23, I thought it was really a strange idea. Fine though.

That's why I did it that way, because it's different.

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I agree that most of the things such as double definition of the commands and such don't really affect gameplay, but yeah, as a guy doing computer science and mathematics, I'm often a perfectionist and like clean coding, so I like to nitpick.

Well I'm an "as long as it works properly" kind of guy. My coding isn't neat and tidy at all, I just do stuff until it works. You should probably know that. The .cns is generally unorganized, because when I started making MUGEN characters, I didn't think people would be reading my code unless I asked for help. That's my style now and I'm kind of stuck in it. I appreciate that you nitpick to solve problems, but as I said, my coding is unorganized but functional.

Thanks again for the feedback. Working on juggle issues in multiple characters now.


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Re: Feedback from the beta testers
#35  August 16, 2008, 10:13:24 AM
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CHAD
-the ghosts based of basara could use some editing, as of now, they look like the spitting image of him
-down forward down forward kick, that ghost lacks transparency
-as the chains are performed, chad is pushed back, but NOT the starting point of the ghosts. This ends up making her safer from hits, as she keeps hitting the opponent even when she is being pushed back way further than her "fists" are striking.

-I will be editing the ghosts soon.
-All of the ghosts during supers appear to lack transparency because there's an afterimage attached to them. Having the afterimage pretty much negates the transparency for some reason.
-Just got done fixing that, thanks for pointing it out.

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Re: Portrait or no portrait during fight
#36  September 26, 2008, 05:16:24 AM
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What features would you like to see in shades 2.0?
#37  April 09, 2009, 08:08:04 PM
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topic title says it all, what can sean and i code in (besides interactive stages) that you guys would like to see
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Re: What features would you like to see in shades 2.0?
#38  April 09, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
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Re: What features would you like to see in shades 2.0?
#39  April 09, 2009, 10:30:04 PM
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I know you worked on a online kinda front end. This maybe a stretch but what about a tournament mode front end?
Re: What features would you like to see in shades 2.0?
#40  April 10, 2009, 05:39:10 AM
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