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Started by Omega, April 28, 2015, 02:37:30 PM
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Re: New Dragonball Super Series
#2321  January 20, 2021, 09:14:26 PM
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Setting up a lot of interesting things for one arc, uh.
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#2322  January 24, 2021, 01:05:21 AM
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Kinda.....odd of Vegeta to choose this path.  I mean yeah, I get it, there's two options and we already know he's rejecting Goku's taken path on principle.  But we and they know Whis is better than Beerus.  Vegeta's goal is still to be better than Goku.  So....why go with the guy who every party acknowledges is the lesser of the two and less likely to gain anything fruitful from studying under?

I mean, I say "less likely", we know the story will bend to prove that wrong later on down the road anyways, but now I'm figuring that Beerus is the kind of guy whose ego would curtail whatever new Vegeta development occurs as to prevent the student from surpassing the master.  He wants a challenge out of these Saiyans, not to be dethroned.  Which I'm guessing is also why he hasn't picked an actual new fight with Goku to hold him accountable for, like, everything, because as much as they've retconed Beerus to remain top dog as power levels continue to ever increase in Super, Ultra Instinct was kinda the wall he needed to break through to get over Beerus.

Unless, you know, they pump up Beerus' value once again and now he's not humbled by Goku getting it before him, he didn't NEED it, he just WANTED it.  Or something ridiclous to that degree.

Anyways more Frieza.  Yay, I guess.  Still wishing Cell got some acknowledgement like the other two main Z baddies.
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#2323  January 24, 2021, 09:39:25 PM
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Beerus is a lazy ass cat, considering the power creep and the comparison whis made, that beerus was a palace and they were trees, Goku is likely not even close to beerus half point.
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#2324  January 25, 2021, 01:08:15 AM
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Then what was the POINT of Ultra Instinct?  It's Beerus' white whale in comparison to his caretaker's source of power, and Goku got to it before him.  And now his sights are set on Whis and the Angel tier list.  Beerus is old news.
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#2325  January 25, 2021, 05:52:05 AM
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We saw something about vegeta's new tecniques when vegeta was watching ultra instinc fighting agains jiren so vegeta thought he wasnt prepared to turn into ultra instinc but anyway he was be able to hit jiren faster than goku and goku was be able to scape from jiren's punches faster than vegeta maybe it will be something like that, the new power vegeta will get.
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#2326  January 25, 2021, 09:57:30 PM
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Then what was the POINT of Ultra Instinct?  It's Beerus' white whale in comparison to his caretaker's source of power, and Goku got to it before him.  And now his sights are set on Whis and the Angel tier list.  Beerus is old news.

there was none , same goes for super saiyan kaioken. they just wanted to give goku a new form.
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#2327  January 25, 2021, 10:39:39 PM
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Super Kaiohken is anime only atrocity and its name shall be spoken no more.
Ultra instinct is just a step on the powercreep ladder. Remember when Super Saiyan God was a Saiyan with the power of a god (totally not in response to the Goku vs Superman death battle crap) and that was it ? Powercrept less than one movie later (not even worth showing it).
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#2328  January 26, 2021, 12:09:53 AM
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I'm fairly certain the timetable doesn't line up for BoG's new form to have anything to do with Death Battle's negative reception.  Beyond that movie's scope and solely on Toei's end, ignoring Toriyama?  Maybe, though doubtful.  But if anything, that came up in response to Dragon Ball Evolution.  Also, like, everyone's poked dozens of holes in both Goku vs Superman videos on how poorly done it was on both sides.  I mean, going out of your way to find the bio description on Superman that specifically labels how he does not have unlimited strength, showing it, then deciding "But we don't want to include that because it would alter the narrative ideology outcome we want" is about all you need to know on them.  Even if Toei cared, it would not take much insight to roll your eyes at it.

But anyways, I'm not talking power levels, I'm talking narrative of the series now.  There was a build-up to Ultra Instinct before we even knew what the thing being built up to was from the beginning of Super, akin to Super Saiyan in DBZ.  Beerus just also sat as a benchmark to mark what achieving it puts you past.  Having Beerus still be in the lead now makes the whole story be pointless from Super anime's additions to BoG and RoF up to the Tournament of Power.  The exception I COULD see was what I mentioned before, but that would imply Beerus doesn't need UI whatsoever, he's just greedy and wants it for his ego.  But if that were the case, he wouldn't be not just lower than Whis on the totem pole, but nearly negligible to Angels.
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#2329  January 26, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
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It was a joke
As for UI, once it's mastered, it's not like Dragon Ball is just going to sit down and say "that's it, this was the end game, Goku will never get any further than that because that's the top of the universe".
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#2330  January 26, 2021, 01:48:28 AM
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Didn't read as a joke, sorry.

And, I mean, yeah?  I'm not gonna argue against that, that is true?  It also goes along with the "Beerus is old news" schtick.  Now he has this Angel tier list and Ultra Instinct 2 and 3 and whatever the hell they come up with.  Some new daffy force Toriyama cooks up like Zeno's lecturing dad on not cleaning his toys or something.