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A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Read 12815 times)

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A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#1  October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
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Question mark in the title because who knows what the interest will be, especially given that I'm rather late this time around, but hey, can't know unless I try.

Bit of explanation for the few who might've been following these tournaments and wondering where I've been: I typically post invitations for this around May or so, but early in the year, my hard drive died, and I figured it was about time I replaced my PC anyway. Due to COVID, it took some time for my parts to arrive, and when they finally did, I spent some time breaking the new PC in. Then, when I felt about ready to make a post to gauge interest in another tournament, my brand new PSU failed spectacularly, leaving me once again without a PC for an extended period of time.
With that all out of the way, though, I'll throw my hat in the ring for the fourth time and see if there's enough people interested in these shenanigans to justify another AI tournament.

Summary for the uninitiated:
16 teams of 4 AI-controlled characters are set to fight in a ladder format, best two out of three.

Settings:
MUGEN 1.0
8 Difficulty
100% Life
80 second timer
DrKelexo's Alien Soldier screenpack because it's awesome and not gaudy.

Rules/Whatnot:
- No overpowered characters, naturally. The definition of this is of course subjective, but I think I can reasonably come to a conclusion on what's too strong. There'll probably be discrepancies in character strengths, but that's MUGEN, baby!
- No characters that generally befuddle the average AI, such as those that are exceptionally small or have constant super armor (I'll actually stand by this rule this time; no cursors need apply).
- Your characters should have at least reasonable AI. It's not the most exciting watching two potatoes bounce around for 80 seconds.
- Please link to characters (and AI patches, if you deem them necessary).
- Also provide a team name, specific palettes if desired, and the order in which you want your team to take, as well as any specific grooves/modes they may come with, otherwise they will be random.
- You may change team members and team names up until the last participant submits their team.

Assuming 16 people (be they on or off-site) are interested, the entire tournament will be uploaded as one video (probably, just to avoid clutter) to Youtube with only the minimum required editing. I promise no "wacky" effects, commentary, or fanfictiony plot nonsense. I'll plug a team of my own in if need be to reach the cap.

The list of current teams may unceremoniously be found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing
Last Edit: November 14, 2020, 09:51:24 PM by SerbianYugoThief
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#2  October 07, 2020, 02:22:40 AM
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I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.

I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.

Understandably, just a suggestion.

Here is my team regardless:

Team Hey That's Me!
Akuma Good Ghost by beterhans
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/djbc0cvtdcmtb/
Yuri by P.o.t.S. (Kimimaro AI) Honestly don't remember where I got this one but here is a mirror already patched.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/wgcrlug5u09rk3j/Yuri.zip/file
Rashou Mon by KazeSayu
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AKVDZR-qD0Sja38&id=CF5B98401B907547!115&cid=CF5B98401B907547
Mech Hisui by Sennou-Room (Holn AI)
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjmNk5nC1nH-gQwO0T7KsgbKXRY2
https://onedrive.live.com/?id=7BB50F9EA9D9BECD%21105&cid=7BB50F9EA9D9BECD
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#3  October 08, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
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I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.

I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.

I've done something similar in the past, but never so formally; I think being more consistent with it is definitely a good idea, though. I'll try to construct a decent base team with previous tournaments in mind.
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#4  October 08, 2020, 08:07:00 PM
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#5  October 08, 2020, 11:06:32 PM
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I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.

I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.

I've done something similar in the past, but never so formally; I think being more consistent with it is definitely a good idea, though. I'll try to construct a decent base team with previous tournaments in mind.

I've always tended to stick with just what mechanics said characters have for balance and if said AI uses them, but that doesn't sound like a bad idea either for future mugen AI tournament/whatever endeavors. Speaking of which I've noticed that good ghost has an unpunishable resurrection that happens every time he gets knocked down the first time let alone that he seems to get power in a time warp. As much as I love rashou mon he does have that instakill of toki's.
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#6  October 08, 2020, 11:52:01 PM
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I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.

I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.

I've done something similar in the past, but never so formally; I think being more consistent with it is definitely a good idea, though. I'll try to construct a decent base team with previous tournaments in mind.

I've always tended to stick with just what mechanics said characters have for balance and if said AI uses them, but that doesn't sound like a bad idea either for future mugen AI tournament/whatever endeavors. Speaking of which I've noticed that good ghost has an unpunishable resurrection that happens every time he gets knocked down the first time let alone that he seems to get power in a time warp. As much as I love rashou mon he does have that instakill of toki's.

Really? I haven't seen that resurrection happen in my experience. That's disappointing. I'll see if I can find some replacements if Serbian is against these. Which I assume he would be
Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 12:19:24 AM by Realra
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#7  October 09, 2020, 02:17:00 AM
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Really? I haven't seen that resurrection happen in my experience. That's disappointing. I'll see if I can find some replacements if Serbian is against these. Which I assume he would be

Yea, he does it every time in turns but not for singles for whatever reason.
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#8  October 13, 2020, 07:40:18 AM
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Really? I haven't seen that resurrection happen in my experience. That's disappointing. I'll see if I can find some replacements if Serbian is against these. Which I assume he would be

Yea, he does it every time in turns but not for singles for whatever reason.

wah... I guess I did this because I want he to be a boss character in turns for some reason.

trigger conditions (as i remember haha)

1. in turns (always)
2. in 2 vs 2 and partner is my chun-li and chun-li dies 1st. and(may be) in normal mode not super mode

after resurrecti
he change to super mode (ATK up and more moves) instead normal mode.




but i guess only my normal morrigan can be qualified since all my other works is 1.1 only.

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#9  October 14, 2020, 06:07:53 PM
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Why not just do a tournament with real people??
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#10  October 14, 2020, 06:23:39 PM
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#11  October 14, 2020, 06:43:12 PM
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You mean "woke" EVO and "Woke Capcom?" No thanks haha. I'm just teasing. But to answer your question there's no human interest for MUGEN/IKEMEN GO tournaments. I think one of the reasons is because many people are still only using MUGEN, forgetting IKEMEN GO has a lot going on for it. Such as online play, and it works exactly the same as MUGEN but with more stuff and better features. Although one can argue parsec and Mugen work, I personally dont like Parsec and it lags badly for me. (I'm going off topic so I'll exit the conversation now)
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#12  October 14, 2020, 09:02:14 PM
It's sad to think like that, I think it's demeaning for Mugen because it's also a fighting game that can be played professionally like any other and in addition it has a lot of potential (some mugen gameplay even has more potential than some existing fighting games on console). If there were more people interested in playing online, some mugen tournaments could be just as epic as tournaments like the Capcom pro cup.
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#13  October 14, 2020, 09:26:00 PM
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Sorry for the slow replies. Been juggling some job app stuff and I wanted to give the thread some time to test multiple teams in one go anyway.

Team Hey That's Me!

Akuma seems to be for MUGEN 1.1, unless I'm missing a 1.0 .def in his files. I'll readily confess that it's kinda silly that I'm still behind a version, but I've just had too much compatibility trouble with 1.1 (although I could try to set up a separate game on 1.1 for the purposes of the tournament). And I'd really like to let Rashou Mon through, but his instakill does concern me. Yuri and Hisui are a-okay, though.


ill sumbit my team

This team is all good to go, though I need a name, and is that the order you'd like them in?
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#14  October 15, 2020, 12:41:44 AM
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Sorry for the slow replies. Been juggling some job app stuff and I wanted to give the thread some time to test multiple teams in one go anyway.

Team Hey That's Me!

Akuma seems to be for MUGEN 1.1, unless I'm missing a 1.0 .def in his files. I'll readily confess that it's kinda silly that I'm still behind a version, but I've just had too much compatibility trouble with 1.1 (although I could try to set up a separate game on 1.1 for the purposes of the tournament). And I'd really like to let Rashou Mon through, but his instakill does concern me. Yuri and Hisui are a-okay, though.

Well let me know, I'll find a replacement for Akuma in the meantime.
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#16  October 19, 2020, 04:11:17 AM
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#17  October 19, 2020, 04:21:00 AM
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#18  October 19, 2020, 08:56:02 PM
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Meldo and Roy's teams are all good to go.

Team Name: Rebellion
I do hate to say it, but I'm afraid this team is overall a bit too powerful. Each of them have some impressive damage output, and Athena is unusually tanky to boot.
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#19  October 19, 2020, 10:04:53 PM
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#20  October 19, 2020, 10:11:48 PM
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#21  October 19, 2020, 10:59:41 PM
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#22  October 19, 2020, 11:06:29 PM
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#23  October 19, 2020, 11:48:48 PM
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#24  October 22, 2020, 12:29:08 AM
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>Inb4 goodman upset part 2

TEAM NAME: BIG CHUNGUS


It's funny, I went into testing this team fully expecting to veto GL right off the bat, but I honestly think he's kosher (unless his AI just has yet to wake up, though I've put him through more fights than usual just to be certain and nothing's really changed about his behavior). I'm gonna have to say no to Zodd and Vebel, though, on the premise that they deal way too much damage (and Zodd is rather tanky on top of that). I think I'll give Hauzer a tentative pass; that armor super is concerning, but it didn't seem to be especially difficult for anyone I tested him with to deal with.
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#25  October 22, 2020, 02:32:14 AM
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Guess I might as well throw in my two cents for this

Team reject modernity, embrace apt questionable traditionalism
1. Thud by NRF
2. Evil Dan by ilcane87
3. Evil Talon/Satinsect by Exclamation_Question, AI by guykazama
4. Geese by Tora
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6wb68ml4aq33hw7/a_rar_file.rar/file

also luise has life = 3100 and the mask destroy kenshiro_31, God rugal with yuki's AI patch at max settings, and compete with Donald desu's Ronald McDonald on standard settings.
Last Edit: October 22, 2020, 03:26:47 AM by Amidweiz
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#26  October 24, 2020, 02:48:59 AM
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I'm gonna have to say no to Zodd and Vebel, though, on the premise that they deal way too much damage (and Zodd is rather tanky on top of that).

I'm glad you enjoyed Gold Lightan lmao, googoo is a gift that keeps on giving

I hope these make suitable replacements, its getting increasingly difficult to find big replacements for the big team.

https://mega.nz/file/rZpQmKAB#A7YO9hlS9Vho7-_OYS4hJw9Al_93YVQ6KhdbjJa9dUg

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#27  October 25, 2020, 02:51:26 PM
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#28  October 27, 2020, 12:27:23 AM
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I do feel bad doing this to ya again, but I don't think I can pass anyone on this team (I recall banning Evil Dan last time around, though I believe he was on someone else's team? I gave him another spin for consistency, but ultimately decided he was too much).


I hope these make suitable replacements, its getting increasingly difficult to find big replacements for the big team.

Oh, my apologies. By "pass", I meant "accepted"; which two of the three characters in the folder did you want to use as replacements?


I will replace Akuma Good Ghost with Vega by Soy Sauce:
Replacement accepted. My sincerest apologies, however; it's ultimately my fault for my unclear wording and I thought I'd clarified this previously, but apparently didn't, but I gotta say no to Rashou Mon.
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#29  October 27, 2020, 02:32:20 AM
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It's funny, I went into testing this team fully expecting to veto GL right off the bat, but I honestly think he's kosher (unless his AI just has yet to wake up, though I've put him through more fights than usual just to be certain and nothing's really changed about his behavior).

Gold Lightan doesn't have proper/custom AI though. None of Googoo's creations do out of the box.

EDIT:

Anyway here's my team:

Kohaku's team of Robotic Lens (am I getting my Type-Moon right?)

Robo-Len by Ukege with AI from Ouchi(?)
Oboren  from ikiki with AI from Holn (sorry, want a team of pure robot-based Lens here)
Geslenst from feizy, with AI from >天<
Astranalent by Kn with AI from ちぃたま氏

The download link for this team is here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/hmba7k8zo63wd60/len_ai_auto.zip/file

Note: the AI settings use the defaults only aside from minor mods to turn on Auto AI (Shouldn't have to wait for command / AI.cheat shenanigans to turn on AI)
Last Edit: October 27, 2020, 05:10:45 AM by Onisatomimi No Miko
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#30  October 27, 2020, 03:20:06 PM
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#31  October 27, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
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Oh, my apologies. By "pass", I meant "accepted"; which two of the three characters in the folder did you want to use as replacements?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I just now realized I accidentally packed bonuskun in there! Yeah, use Baby Vegeta and Fernandeath to replace Vebel and Zodd, that's my fault  --;



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#32  October 27, 2020, 09:38:26 PM
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I do feel bad doing this to ya again, but I don't think I can pass anyone on this team (I recall banning Evil Dan last time around, though I believe he was on someone else's team? I gave him another spin for consistency, but ultimately decided he was too much).

Last time you gave me an reason why though... a vague answer of being more oppressive than the rest of the teams which I saw that but an answer nevertheless, all I'm getting here is evil dan bad. That doesn't really help me out with selecting replacements since there isn't really a baseline upon what is cheap, hence why I had that all those bullet points on my tournament upon what your character plus AI shouldn't do.
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#33  October 27, 2020, 11:21:26 PM
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Last time you gave me an reason why though... a vague answer of being more oppressive than the rest of the teams which I saw that but an answer nevertheless, all I'm getting here is evil dan bad. That doesn't really help me out with selecting replacements since there isn't really a baseline upon what is cheap, hence why I had that all those bullet points on my tournament upon what your character plus AI shouldn't do.

You're totally right, I'm sorry. The damage outputs are generally my concern here. Thud's single hits are both fast and pack a punch, leading to a lot of one-sided fights. Dan kinda toes the line, but I feel he's particularly evasive and his clone move opens up for some nasty shenanigans. Satinsect is in a similar boat as Thud, with the reach of his attacks being the secondary concern. And Geese was just too powerful, pulling off half-health combos with relative ease and then adding on even more damage with aerial double reppukens that hit while the opponent is still on the ground.

EDIT: I will say, though, if it feels as though I'm being too strict (or outright inconsistent) on what's allowed, I'm open to discussion (don't want to promise anything, but I'm honestly leaning toward repealing my veto of Thud, who I think I may be overestimating). Though I am the one hosting, I don't do these exclusively for myself, and as such I'm fine with community input given that I'm turning to the community to set these up anyway.
Last Edit: October 27, 2020, 11:57:16 PM by SerbianYugoThief
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#34  October 28, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
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Last time you gave me an reason why though... a vague answer of being more oppressive than the rest of the teams which I saw that but an answer nevertheless, all I'm getting here is evil dan bad. That doesn't really help me out with selecting replacements since there isn't really a baseline upon what is cheap, hence why I had that all those bullet points on my tournament upon what your character plus AI shouldn't do.

You're totally right, I'm sorry. The damage outputs are generally my concern here. Thud's single hits are both fast and pack a punch, leading to a lot of one-sided fights. Dan kinda toes the line, but I feel he's particularly evasive and his clone move opens up for some nasty shenanigans. Satinsect is in a similar boat as Thud, with the reach of his attacks being the secondary concern. And Geese was just too powerful, pulling off half-health combos with relative ease and then adding on even more damage with aerial double reppukens that hit while the opponent is still on the ground.

EDIT: I will say, though, if it feels as though I'm being too strict (or outright inconsistent) on what's allowed, I'm open to discussion (don't want to promise anything, but I'm honestly leaning toward repealing my veto of Thud, who I think I may be overestimating). Though I am the one hosting, I don't do these exclusively for myself, and as such I'm fine with community input given that I'm turning to the community to set these up anyway.

Thud is quite very much a product of the game he comes from with good normals and high damage. I could also argue that harry ness has similar damage output to thud in area but oh well. I mainly picked evil dan because of his shura warp into koryuken super (which is something a human can do with evil dan) being really good but his balanced-to-2004-reubenkee-characters does show. Satinsect/Evil Talon was top tier in his game for having normals that extend across the screen and most mugen AI's don't expect that for the most part and I very much picked him because of that meme. I did put geese as my anchor because he is pretty good, though I do question if the combos the AI does, you can do in source or if it's just mugen AI being dishonest. I do remember that you can otg shippukens in RBS but it does get really good damage. The only thing about tora/abuhaci's RB characters is if the B level (the limited mechanic of going through stuff by what looks like a graze of sorts which the AI does) is an mechanic that was in source.

Personally I would say more inconsistency than lack of strictness since they're are some characters as I mentioned above that have some questionable stuff about them

also luise has life = 3100 and the mask destroy kenshiro_31, God rugal with yuki's AI patch at max settings, and compete with Donald desu's Ronald McDonald on standard settings.

but I'm also assuming that teams you didn't respond to got the greenlight by default. I could also argue that even a relatively normal character like Issac by omsby with the fact he spams projectiles that make AI's block a ton freezing them in place for most of the match.  I do admit this does bring up the debate upon looking at and testing opponents teams very much to see how it performs, very much the mugen equivalent to card reading for blackjack. This is just something I tend to do, not that there isn't counters to this (submitting via PM or offsite though I've had bad results with the ladder *cough*GravesDisease*cough*) and also I don't know if another team could destroy mine that I didn't look at.

I feel like I'm rambling on here so I'll come up with a replacement.
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#35  October 28, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
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I feel like I'm rambling on here so I'll come up with a replacement.

Honestly? I do appreciate the input. Having an external perspective helps a lot. And I completely missed the last two teams on the first page, wow. I think I'll let Thud through if you'd still like to include him.
Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 08:40:43 PM by SerbianYugoThief
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#36  October 28, 2020, 11:20:01 PM
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Extremely sorry for the late replies to the first two teams here; my empty head was literally too focused on the fact that there was a second page for me to double-check the first.

Team Name: Team Cringe

I'll have to say no to Daga-Ru and The Mask, with the former boasting an insta kill and some borderline infinite shenanigans and the latter having some extremely oppressive AI.

TEAMNAME: Morning Glory

Everyone checks out here except Luise, due to her crazy high stats.

Kohaku's team of Robotic Lens (am I getting my Type-Moon right?)

I think I have to veto Robo Len on account of her overall power, and Oboren keeps bugging out of the stage (on top of already being quite spammy), so I can't let them through either. The latter half of the team seems fine, though.
Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#37  October 28, 2020, 11:37:30 PM
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Extremely sorry for the late replies to the first two teams here; my empty head was literally too focused on the fact that there was a second page for me to double-check the first.

Team Name: Team Cringe

I'll have to say no to Daga-Ru and The Mask, with the former boasting an insta kill and some borderline infinite shenanigans and the latter having some extremely oppressive AI.

Okay then, replace those with Psykyopath Kyo by Dr.Kelexo and Dink Smallwood by The_None
https://mega.nz/file/jhwmQYaS#WMJzLqbWwwzqsY7istrupOV0_01xnidgBIYM8qKyIVg

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#38  October 29, 2020, 07:03:16 PM
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I think I have to veto Robo Len on account of her overall power, and Oboren keeps bugging out of the stage (on top of already being quite spammy), so I can't let them through either. The latter half of the team seems fine, though.

Thanks for the output.

I'm replacing both Robo Len and Oboren with shibaduke's kaiju lens, Gamelen and Gyaoslen, both with AI by Tyanko, both moded to use Tyanko's max AI level (3 out of 3) and also AI automatically turns on like the other lens in my team.

My new team name is now Kohaku's Experimented Len Clones

New download for my team is below:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/vvq154f0wozukym/kohakus_experimented_len_clones.zip/file
Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#39  October 30, 2020, 05:44:54 PM
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Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#40  November 01, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
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I haven't heard any words about my team yet, but just to let you that Isaac is more of a HP keeper/berserker once his ultra burst activates, and he still keeps his attack buffs even after ultra burst is over, which feels pretty dang OP.

Want me to replace him with Mika Returna? (10th Palette) Unless everything is fine.

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Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#41  November 05, 2020, 11:40:13 PM
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I haven't heard any words about my team yet, but just to let you that Isaac is more of a HP keeper/berserker once his ultra burst activates, and he still keeps his attack buffs even after ultra burst is over, which feels pretty dang OP.

Want me to replace him with Mika Returna? (10th Palette) Unless everything is fine.



My apologies, real life's kept me tangled. I did have concerns with Isaac, even if it's largely to do with his UB, so I'd welcome an alternative.
Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#42  November 05, 2020, 11:48:28 PM
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My apologies, real life's kept me tangled. I did have concerns with Isaac, even if it's largely to do with his UB, so I'd welcome an alternative.

Nah you're fine, just finish up whenever you need to do. I'll be waiting ;)
Team: Demonic Cuties
1. Saya by OHMSBY - 3rd palette
2. Heart by OHMSBY - 7th palette
3. Kirby by OHMSBY - 12th palette
4. Mika by OHMSBY - 10th palette
Team has been slightly changed for balancing, Thanks
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Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#43  November 09, 2020, 07:19:09 PM
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Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#44  November 11, 2020, 12:22:38 AM
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Last Edit: November 11, 2020, 12:34:09 AM by SerbianYugoThief
Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#45  November 11, 2020, 01:57:26 AM
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Also another suggestion I'd make is a list showing who is all registered for the tournament
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#46  November 14, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
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Also another suggestion I'd make is a list showing who is all registered for the tournament

Though I have used one for personal use, making it public would be a good idea. I'm throwing it here and also adding it to the OP.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing
I've left Amidweiz out not for any reasons of animosity, but because I haven't received word of team replacements. I'm happy to rectify this if you're still interested, though I understand if you're not.
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#47  November 14, 2020, 11:11:12 PM
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Also another suggestion I'd make is a list showing who is all registered for the tournament

Though I have used one for personal use, making it public would be a good idea. I'm throwing it here and also adding it to the OP.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing
I've left Amidweiz out not for any reasons of animosity, but because I haven't received word of team replacements. I'm happy to rectify this if you're still interested, though I understand if you're not.

I decided to restructure my team a bit, hopefully I won't need to do it again but knowing me that will probably happen

Team Menaces of The Attitude Era
1. Footee by NHK
2. BBH by BBH, AI patched by This author, I dunno the name
3. Daimon by sanders
4. SF3 Shadowlady by mgmurrow
http://www.mediafire.com/file/r8bv0abnislu4tq/Team_menaces_of_the_additude_era.rar/file
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#48  November 18, 2020, 01:24:18 AM
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TEAM NAME:
...VTNC (I'm sorry...)

1. Vectorman / RoySquadRocks
2. The Dream / Bane84 (MK Too)
3. Nim Woo / DrKelexo
4. Chang ( + The World ) /  Ahuron

Here's the link:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/0pn9fqeuvf68b2k

(Sigh...)
I'm just here to have fun.
Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#49  November 19, 2020, 12:15:45 AM
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My bad. I'll let Gyaoslent through, but Gamelen's combos are both very easy to initiate and quite punishing, largely due to her spin move, so I think I have to veto her.


Wold ShowBuySpirit's Hakolen (with AI created by Ouchi) suffice as a replacement for Gamelen?

Sole download for ShowBuySpirit's Hakolen with Auto-AI applied: http://www.mediafire.com/file/9fhv3cxuukpp6mk/HakoLen_SBS-AI.zip/file

Download with my planned 4 characters for my team: http://www.mediafire.com/file/bs2igmt0rna0ewr/kohakus_experimental_lens.zip/file

Also rename my Len team in your Google Docs list of teams to Kohaku's Experimented Len Clones please.
Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?
#50  November 19, 2020, 09:01:52 PM
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Team Menaces of The Attitude Era

I think BBH is a little strong for me to let through largely due to her frequent dizzying, but I have no qualms with the rest of the team.


TEAM NAME:
...VTNC (I'm sorry...)


No problem at all! Unfortunately, The Dream seems to crash MUGEN whenever it's time for him to load, but otherwise this team is fine.


Wold ShowBuySpirit's Hakolen (with AI created by Ouchi) suffice as a replacement for Gamelen?

Also rename my Len team in your Google Docs list of teams to Kohaku's Experimented Len Clones please.


HakoLen works for me, and certainly.
Last Edit: November 19, 2020, 09:07:47 PM by SerbianYugoThief
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#51  November 19, 2020, 10:17:36 PM
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Team Menaces of The Attitude Era
I think BBH is a little strong for me to let through largely due to her frequent dizzying, but I have no qualms with the rest of the team.

I suspected that BBH would be a bit much, so I'll replace her with Dragon claw that I had last time
Here's the link to him again if you deleted him
Team Menaces of The Attitude Era
1. Footee by NHK
2. Daimon by sanders
3. SF3 Shadowlady by mgmurrow
4. Dragon Claw, AI patched by 24-OR
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#52  November 21, 2020, 10:29:35 PM
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#53  December 01, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
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Team Name:
Nation of 'A' (Yeah, I'm unoriginal for team names)

1. Michael Roa Valdamjong (AACC) by ‡H, AI patched by some random unknown author (use Roa_AACC___04_12 DEF file)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/0slrkc7a8zoyhnh/Roa_AACC.rar/file

2. Great Wario by Warner, AI Patched by Anomi Polis
http://www.mediafire.com/file/akkpmgau6kwbr0z/GreatWario.rar/file

3. Toki by Drowin, AI patched by Mohican
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6ukq2j0xwkot0qi/TOKI.rar/file

4. Skylla Chimere by chopon, AI patched by Holn
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z9nd7enbgtsae49/scAI.rar/file
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#54  December 07, 2020, 09:36:59 PM
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Team Name:
Nation of 'A'

I'm extremely sorry for my sluggish response; I never got an email notifying me of this post.

Unfortunately, I think I'm gonna have to say no to Wario largely due to his beefed up stats, and Toki because of his crazy damage output (and being an HNK character, I anticipate he has a OHKO anyway). The other two characters pass just fine, though.
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#55  January 04, 2021, 10:37:17 PM
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Just as a reminder to people that there are four slots left and that Dawn de Era and secondaccount need some replacements for their teams.