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Re: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

 July 24, 2011, 05:29:48 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Started by Titiln July 21, 2011, 08:30:29 pm
 Board: Fighting Games
    

Re: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

 July 24, 2011, 05:26:21 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Started by Titiln July 21, 2011, 08:30:29 pm
 Board: Fighting Games
    

Re: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

 July 24, 2011, 05:04:11 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Started by Titiln July 21, 2011, 08:30:29 pm
 Board: Fighting Games
    

Re: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

 July 24, 2011, 04:16:20 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Started by Titiln July 21, 2011, 08:30:29 pm
 Board: Fighting Games
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 24, 2011, 03:55:24 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Riptide said, July 24, 2011, 02:57:54 am
Deathstroke is above caption America because Deathstroke  has a bit of a healing factor

His healing factor is like Wolverine's in the early days: he can survive and heal what would be fatal injuries for any other man. He can still be injured, though, and he goes into a rage mode like R'as al Ghul when he has to heal a lot. I place him as equal to Cap. I think it could go either way, although Slade's lack of one eye may give him a disadvantage in the long run. It's not like it's just hidden away, like Wrath's eye.

Edtion said, July 24, 2011, 03:46:25 am

DID Batman know he was going to fight Wonder Woman? Because I didn't see him use any utilities, nor did that conversation sound like he knew she was going to fight him beforehand.

Yes. He was after a young woman who'd murdered some drug dealers in Gotham. He knew the woman was at the Themysciran embassy, and he knew enough about the Hiketeia to know that Wonder Woman would be honor bound to protect the woman.

EDIT: Really, there's only two ways to take that scene. Either Batman went there thinking he was prepared and got his ass beat, and it just goes to show he can't win against a superior opponent (which I don't like), or the best plan he could come up with was getting his ass kicked and attempting to use the ritual against her. I like the latter better because it works more in line with the chess-like nature of Batman's strategies. However, it does mean that he knows when he's beat, and with Cap, he's beat.
    

Re: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

 July 24, 2011, 01:33:10 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Started by Titiln July 21, 2011, 08:30:29 pm
 Board: Fighting Games
All I know is there better be a "Objection/Hold It/Take that!" intro with She-Hulk.

And a courtroom stage with The Judge.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 24, 2011, 01:02:38 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Edtion said, July 24, 2011, 12:38:52 am
I said Batman isn't always prepared, I didn't say he never was and he never would be against someone he's never fought -_-.

I still stick to my DP/CA/BM opinions  :P.

If he's not equipped to beat someone he knows he's going to be fighting (as he did in the Wonder Woman comic posted), it's incredibly unlikely going to equipped to beat someone he doesn't know unless the person is already his physical inferior. There's no trick Batman has ever used in the comics or movies or could potentially have in his belt that the Skull and his cronies didn't make a giant deadlier version of in WWII (Prometheus, one of my all-time favorite DC villains, learned this the hard way in JLA/Avengers). Not only would he have to know he's fighting Cap, he'd have to come up with something that negates the effect of the serum in Cap's body. Or he'd have to be Adam West Batman.

You're welcome to your opinions, though.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 11:35:36 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Edtion said, July 23, 2011, 10:52:31 pm
Batman sometimes can create brand new tech, there's no telling what he surprise he could have for Captain America.

I think I'll defer this comment to someone whose opinion you'll trust more than mine.

Edtion said, July 23, 2011, 07:03:34 pm
THAT says that Batman clearly wasn't prepared to fight Wonder Woman, which says that he isn't prepared for anything, meaning he can't always beat anyone (which is what I hate hearing from batfans )

As for the cars, all you really need to understand is that Batman has trained himself to the limits of human performance, but he's not there all the time. It's physically impossible to do so, just like it's impossible for a car to always be at top speed. Cap has the serum in his body, which makes him a car able to be at top speed all the time.

As for Deadpool, weapons are meaningless. Deadpool only never misses with his guns if he's focused on what he's doing. That makes his shooting skill, at max, on par with Deadshot, who Batman's taken on a few times. He's deadly with a sword, but that's not really anything special to Batman either (especially if he's dual wielding). Deadpool at his most lucid is equal in ability to Deathstroke the Terminator (the other person he's made to parody). But he's almost never that lucid, so the only advantage he has over Slade is being unable to die (See Superman/Batman Annual #1 for a mock up of this fight written by Joe Kelly, the best Deadpool writer ever).

Deathstroke is damn good, but it's always up in the air who wins between him and NIGHTWING, much less Batman. So, presumably, if Deadpool mangaes to get and stay serious through the whole fight, the most he can hope for is those odds, with his fighting ability. Deadpool's advantage as a fighter, the one thing that gives him a high win ratio, is that he's insane and never stops talking. Most of his opponents (like Taskmaster), can't handle this level of unpredictability and it breaks their focus. Batman, however, does so three to eight times a year, depending on how much attention the Arkham guards are paying to a certain inmate. Couple that with Deadpool's anger issues and he goes down.

EDIT: I should point out that I consider Captain America and Deathstroke of equal ability (Slade's at peak human ability all the time as well, because he's a metahuman), and if I was writing a Slade/Batman fight, Slade would win. However, there are enough examples in the comics of him losing one way or another to make it only a matter of opinion whether Deathstroke would beat Batman or not.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 10:33:38 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Ah. Then Captain America (slightly) > Batman > Deadpool. I don't really know enough about the Major to comment.

Captain America and Batman are equally matched as martial artists, and there's no trick in Batman's belt that Cap hasn't seen before and wouldn't be able to counter. So it comes down to pure physical ability, and if Batman's a high performance street racing car, then Cap is that same car with an endless supply of nitrous oxide. (See the awesome JLA/Avengers for Batman conceding this much).

Deadpool is extremely deadly, and is probably the best there is at what he does, but only if he's lucid. He's usually not fighting seriously because he's insane, which makes him an unpredictable oppenent to anyone but Batman and Cap (who have experience with that sort of guy). When he does fight seriously, he's very prone to anger and is outmatched in those moments, like the character he was created to parody. (See Deadpool versus Spider-man in Cable and Deadpool for the perfect example of this)
    

Re: Does this thing exist?/who is the author?/etc. thread.

 July 23, 2011, 09:28:00 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Does this thing exist?/who is the author?/etc. thread.  (Started by Messatsu August 26, 2007, 08:29:40 pm
 Board: Requests
Looks like Sailor Moon, so it's either the fighting game or the sidescroller.
    

Re: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

 July 23, 2011, 09:13:38 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Started by Titiln July 21, 2011, 08:30:29 pm
 Board: Fighting Games
As a fan of Phoenix Wright, my only hope is that they make him fight like Norimaro. That is the only possible way to stay true to the games.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 09:01:39 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
I'm still not sure what we're arguing about, so let me make my position clear.

In a martial arts fight (say, two fighters in the octagon with rules), Batgirl would beat Batman. Even though this is not an actual fight that has happened, it is not made-up conjecture. Batgirl is able to injure Batman without him even noticing he's been hit. She has beaten Lady Shiva twice since that point, and Lady Shiva is not only a better fighter than Batman, she TRAINED him after he'd gotten his back fixed. There are only two other people in the DC Universe who are better fighters than Lady Shiva: Richard Dragon (arguably) and Karate Kid from the Legion (who can and has beaten Batman). In an actual martial arts fight, Batman would lose to Batgirl, just like he'd lose to Wildcat in a straight-up boxing match or Zatanna in a Houdini escape challenge (yes, even if she doesn't use actual magic).

But in a real fight, Batman would easily beat Batgirl because he has a wider skill group to draw from, is smarter, and has a wide array of gadgets.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 08:13:35 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Edtion said, July 23, 2011, 08:01:19 pm
Better?

Nope, because it still implies that I've been in this topic beyond my previous two posts arguing a position I don't agree with.

Unless you're trying to argue that Batman is better at hand to hand than Batgirl, which I can't agree with. Batgirl can beat Lady Shiva, her mother, and Lady Shiva is one of the strongest martial artists in the DC universe.
    

Re: Amy Winehouse is dead

 July 23, 2011, 07:45:21 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Amy Winehouse is dead (Started by "Bad News" Hoffmann July 23, 2011, 07:36:35 pm
 Board: All That's Left
Sad, but unfortunately not very unexpected.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 07:42:20 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Edtion said, July 23, 2011, 07:36:25 pm
You keep saying she beat him like he was having a fight with her, like Red Hood seriously fought the third Robin -_-.

You should specify who you're talking to when you say stuff like like that, because I seriously WTF'd for like a second. :)
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 07:16:34 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Alhambra said, July 23, 2011, 10:16:20 am
Batman beat friggin' Darkseid.

Batman SHOT Darkseid while he was lounging in his recliner. With the only weapon in the world that could hurt him at that time. And he still got the Omega Sanction for his troubles.

If you want the real version of how that fight goes, read JLA: Rock of Ages (also written by Grant Morrison, arguably the father of Batgod Syndrome).

I like Batman, but there's some fights he can't win, and frankly shouldn't win, lest he lose the quality I like most in the character.
    

Re: Batman vs.....

 July 23, 2011, 09:25:22 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Batman vs..... (Started by Edtion July 20, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
 Board: Entertainment
Edtion said, July 23, 2011, 08:42:50 am
And I still want to see where DC says that Batman loses to Batgirl, because I haven't got that far in the Batman comic books, but as far as I could tell, Batman is the strongest of the Bat-family.

Within the first six or so issues of Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), they spar and Batman gets hit hard enough to cough up blood. If I remember correctly, he flat out says she's a better fighter than him.

He'd still win a real fight, though. Martial arts prowess isn't all it takes to beat Batman; you've got to out-think him as well.
    

Re: Goku Vs Superman (I know, but just hear me out)

 July 20, 2011, 03:39:37 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Goku Vs Superman (I know, but just hear me out) (Started by Edtion July 19, 2011, 04:16:39 am
 Board: Entertainment
Goku's people are gorilla men. Therefore their penises would be miniscule in proportion to their bodies, even in giant monkey form.

Kryptonians, however, were (are?) crazy about genetic engineering.

The science doesn't lie, friends.
    

Re: Goku Vs Superman (I know, but just hear me out)

 July 19, 2011, 06:45:12 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Goku Vs Superman (I know, but just hear me out) (Started by Edtion July 19, 2011, 04:16:39 am
 Board: Entertainment
Edtion said, July 19, 2011, 06:37:26 am
P.S. let the record show that I voted for Goku, because he still has super speed and super strength, plus his variety of ki attacks, plus his momentarily boost of kaoken

At the end of the day, Goku is a Superman than can shoot lasers from his hands. The first thing I ever saw Superman do in my life was punch a laser away with his fists. If we put Goku at his strongest versus Superman at his strongest, I think Superman would win.
    

Re: Goku Vs Superman (I know, but just hear me out)

 July 19, 2011, 06:02:16 am View in topic context
 Posted by Speedpreacher  in Goku Vs Superman (I know, but just hear me out) (Started by Edtion July 19, 2011, 04:16:39 am
 Board: Entertainment
 
Riptide said, July 19, 2011, 05:57:21 am
But you have to use the current superman not silver age cause he's the same as superboy prime  :shifty: 

He's not that far off, actually. And who knows where's he going to be at after Morrison gets the chance to reinvent him.
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