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The sole purpose of my journey was genuinely to make a documentary of what lies within the NEGUM RAINFOREST. if there are characters residing there that are considered cheap by our standards am I to blame for that? The NEGUM RAINFOREST is a long forgotten part of our MUGEN heritage and something I feel would not harm us if we knew about it. The caption "undiscovered potential and immeasurable mystery" seems quite fitting and accurate as I don't think you would happen to know what creatures lie in these lands as I would assume you haven't explored this rainforest, but if you already have then apologies for my ignorance.
"The shit thread is a place where all arguments and terrible topics end up and die" ... I suppose if this is the reality of things, that each of my threads will be moved here because some people don;t like it even if is MUGEN related, .. then the only solution I can think of is to revive this "shit thread". Because there really was nothing off-putting about the video, not a single place where I mentioned "i'm building the op'est roster" or "being better than anyone" or even about the "MUGEN competitive scene" ... it was a simple journey video showcasing a few characters ... but you see it as a negative based on the mindset and preconception you have crystallized about me and consider the video something so vile that it needs to be moved to the "shit thread" ... so be it .
I didn't move the topic here. What I gave you is an answer to why the topic was moved here.
The NEGUM RAINFOREST never existed (awful, that's like telling Santa Claus doesn't exist), I know what you mean by that though. AI vs AI fight, see which character is the strongest. I've seen forums making characters solely for AI vs AI fights, one cheaper than the other.
I've been in those forums and while the appeal might be there, it wore down immediately (for me), not only because the characters became cheaper and cheaper, but also because if I want to do the same things the AI does and it's impossible it makes me mad... but I'm digressing.
I really wonder if these rainforest are actually in Brazil or not...
I really don't know what you are going to say about this other than its fake ... Maybe we should all (me included) do some research before we make bold claims. Anyways I digress ... this is something that has been documented a couple of hundred years ago .. take it for what it is.
why does your source switch from NEGUM to Nugen? why does the doi turn nothing up? https://www.doi.org/23.8338/k.72525-3293.376
why would a paper supposedly published in 1688 be written using modern scientific jargon?
how bored are you to fake a research paper?
I assumed that you guys would call this fake ...
But, you do make completely logical points and the concerns are understandable. I too was perplexed by the discrepancy of the two different spellings used when I read the article a couple of months ago. To be critical thinkers is an art .. but to be critical thinkers of our critical thinking is masterful art. In that regard it would be disingenuous for us to consider this being a mistake as the only option. Examining the text deeper leads us to 5 possible conclusions ...
1) It is important to acknowledge that this is a translation of an earlier text from a non-english language into english and this may be simply be a classic case of "lost in translation" where the root word is considered by the translator to be equally as accurate when written both as NEGUM or NUGEN. This would originally depend on the pronunciation of the word in its root language which we do not have access to.
2) It is in the critical thinker's best interest to familiarize themselves with the history of writing. Internet ... let alone type writers ... are a tool of the modern world. The 2nd Century BC to the 18th Century was the era of Quills and Ink with the the 15th century marking the advent of the graphite pencil. Whether Ink or Graphite was used by our author we will never know but what we must understand is that these tools are not eternally immune to infallibility and a simple drop of water or a smudge of the fingers may render them distorted for future translation. Furthermore, with handwriting come the infamous tales of illegibility, clarity of the writings, and how accurately the translator is able to read them off the paper. This would lead to the translator's best judgement to decipher what scribbled or difficult to read word meant and is a potential source of unintended translation error. To keep in line with best judgement and to stay genuine to the written text, the author may have chosen to retain both conceivable word choices deemed possible for benefit of future extrapolation of the text.
3) The third option is that the author made a mistake OR wanted to include both names. That the author, while writing the paper, either unintentionally or intentionally wrote down two different spellings. However the case may be that both spellings and pronunciations, NEGUM or NUGEN may be considered correct by the original author and without the author's input on the matter of pronunciation and spelling of the rainforest's name, this claim is yet again difficult to validate or reject.
4) The fourth option is that the translator made a mistake. That the translator, unintentionally records the word pronounced NEGUM as NUGEN or the word pronounced NUGEN as NEGUM. This claim is difficult to validate or reject with current information or previous untranslated text.
5) The fifth option may very well be the claim you guys are making, that since the author (or translator) switches from NEGUM to NUGEN, that this is a forged and fake research document because an actual author would not make this 'mistake'. This claim has the potential of being both true or false. Because we do not know who the translator is or have the article in its root language this claim is difficult to authoritatively substantiate. Furthermore, even if both NEGUM and NUGEN are used, according to the article, they seem to be referring to the same rainforest, so we really should not overburden ourselves when both words seem to be used for the same forest.
So its not as simple as saying its a forged document ... maybe there is a way to find out ... but we must also be open to the possibility that we may never know
"why does the doi turn nothing up?
https://www.doi.org/23.8338/k.72525-3293.376" ... I had a look at the DOI and yes you are right, the DOI appears to be down. I am uncertain if that is due to the fact that the webpage is down or the journal has been discontinued or some other reason. I had downloaded the paper many years ago, maybe around 2008 , but i'm uncertain as to the cause of the paper not showing up anymore.
"why would a paper supposedly published in 1688 be written using modern scientific jargon?" ... you must ask the author that ... I would not have any more information regarding this than you would. Personally does not seem to be too scientifically superior a writing for its time.
How bored am I to write a fake research paper? Huh ... If I had the ability to write such research papers why do you think I would be on a MUGEN platform trying to convince people of my arguments and not some world-renowned neurosurgical scholar with hundreds of publications by now .. even I wonder that.
@Alex Sin "Oh, searching for this NEGUM rainforest thing I only found his video on Google... I wonder why that is."
"First it was a "long forgotten part of our MUGEN heritage" (yeah, right), now it's a "real" location that doesn't exist. Will he pull the "it's undiscovered and
mysterious" excuse again? We'll find out in the next episode of Shit Thread: The Mystery of the NEGUM identity."
Obviously there's a reason I call it a long forgotten part of our MUGEN heritage, because this is a place that, as I showed you, has been documented in a paper hundreds of years ago and there has been no mention of this rainforest for the 330 or so years since. Hence why it is forgotten. Why was it forgotten, we do not know, and why were there no more publications regarding it, we may never know in our lifetime. But this one paper point us to the direction that there may be more writings documenting this forest out there that we have yet to unravel. It may be that, like this current paper I stumbled across, the writings may be in languages like Portuguese, and the other dialects spoken near the Amazonian Basin. Besides, my journey video is a first hand capture of the NEGUM rainforest that I have put out into the public for all to see. So technically, all you you have seen the NEGUM rainforest as well ... but to be present there yourself .. that is a different feeling