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I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#1  September 05, 2023, 02:25:51 am
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Guys, I need your guidance about this since I don't know what to do... I wanted to necro/revive this 10+yo thread about this issue and/or mention this in the CF Revival thread I made, but I think a new thread here is the proper way to follow to say this.

Most of you know about ClayFighter: Infinite Clayfare, my personal fullgame project which is the compilation of all my work I made for MUGEN until now. I thought I won't be noticed by Interplay, but now I know I did... but not the way I would liked to. Checking my Gmail yesterday (mostly cleaning mails) I found this one from Interplay's lawyer Christopher Nelson:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
As you can read, it's a Cease and Desist about my fullgame and all related to ClayFighter (included a direct link to my site apart of the CF page I made for IC). The mail is from July 18th and I just saw it yesterday, and meanwhile I continued with the promotion and even released the Beta 2 in August.

You all know that MUGEN itself and all content on it is marked as non-profittable, so I couldn't use it to get money, it if I could do it (like passing the game to IKEMEN for example) I won't do it anyway since I love this game series. But seems that Interplay guys are just businessmen that just want money and don't care about videogames anymore: I can't ignore a mail like this, but either I want to answer with something that I'd regret later (I'm so angry with all of this BTW), especially because the same guy was the one behind the cancellation of ClayFighter: ReSculpted, another CF fangame. And maybe he doesn't know about MUGEN, so yeah, I could stop my game and delete all the promotion and the twitter (maybe I could rename it as @basara.kun as my MUGEN general account), but he could think that I could continue when he see my chars and the others from MUGEN and not just made by me... since he linked me Ultra ClayFighter, a romhack not made by me.

I want to delete the mail and continue as nothing happens... but what about he and Interplay really make legal actions?? I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing, but there's a precedent here about "Miel Gibson" case (a small honey maker that has a wordplay between "miel", honey in Spanish, and the actor, whose laywers threatened them), so I'm not sure if I'm safe here...

tl;dr Interplay wants to make legal actions about my game and I need your help, guidance and/or opinions about what to do in this case... maybe about how to make a mail clarifying about I don't have intentions of use their properties in a bad way but as a way of fanart. I read you, people...

Rest in peace, Toriyama-san...
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#2  September 05, 2023, 06:36:40 am
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Ah god damn it.

Sorry I don't have any advise right now as I am not an expert on this whole legal shit...and that's all I got to say at this point. Sorry again.

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#3  September 05, 2023, 10:29:39 am
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I think you're out of luck here. The wisest thing to do is probably what ReSculpted did, sadly. It's probably still OK to release individual characters and stages. You should clarify that you're not involved with the rom hacks, too.
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#4  September 05, 2023, 08:29:59 pm
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Now that I'm more calm and focused about this, maybe that should be a way to follow. But anyway I',m making a mail to clarify my project wasn't made for profit and I'm not affiliated with any other CF project...

But yeah, probably I'd to cease Infinite Clayfare eventually... but at least my CF content for MUGEN won't stop (but maybe I should take a rest from it)

Rest in peace, Toriyama-san...
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#5  September 06, 2023, 12:27:03 am
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there is also the possibility its a fake copyright claim are you 100% sure its actually interplay? Anyone can use a fake name to pretend to be someone else. Can you post the Cease and Desist letter maybe we can debunk it if its fake?

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#6  September 06, 2023, 01:35:33 am
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Guess Chris Nelson got bored and noticed your game, so he did the first thing being a lawyer: sue you!
Proof that copyright and IP laws are bullshit still. The company over the person, I say.....
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#7  September 06, 2023, 02:51:16 am
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there is also the possibility its a fake copyright claim are you 100% sure its actually interplay? Anyone can use a fake name to pretend to be someone else. Can you post the Cease and Desist letter maybe we can debunk it if its fake?
I posted the mail in the spoiler and yes, I confirmed it's official. The mail comes from interplay.com has all the looks that is official, so I won't risk this time

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#8  September 06, 2023, 03:36:28 pm
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Wow, they sounded so petty sending you that request. It's a shame that a company would decide to treat their fans - who are trying to keep a series alive - so unfairly.
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#9  September 06, 2023, 07:44:46 pm
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How usually is getting Stop project at that reason at MUGEN/Ikemen?
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#10  September 06, 2023, 10:30:55 pm
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Well, with the help of various people on Discord, I made an answer mail where I specify that my game as well MUGEN are not made for profit but as a fanart and a homage to the series and clarify I got no relation with other projects out there. It would be nice that they understand and leave me continue with this, but the truth is... probably they won't give a damn and want the C&D anyway, so the most secure option is to finish this...

Let's see if they answer back and I'll tell you about it

Rest in peace, Toriyama-san...
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#11  September 07, 2023, 02:42:07 am
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Ok, this got out of control, so I think you deserve this... here's my answer mail to Interplay so now you all can read about it:


Rest in peace, Toriyama-san...
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Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 02:55:56 am by Dr. Basara Kilnklein
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#12  September 07, 2023, 04:56:15 am
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I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing

I suspect even if this is the case, they can still put that pressure on MFG, AK1, and Mediafire, and anywhere else your content is hosted. I'm not sure what countries they operate from, but they could send a C&D to these organizations and demand they take down your content and depending on where they operate from they would have to comply. Your webpage is hosted on MFG afaik so they could be targeted instead.

In fact, I'm surprised they asked you to take down the Mediafire link instead of asking Mediafire. Mediafire is usually quick to take down content when they get a copyright takedown request.
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#13  September 07, 2023, 05:54:15 am
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Ok, this got out of control,

I don't believe it has gone out of control. It's important that the MUGEN, IKEMEN, OPENBOR and similar game comunities are aware of this.
I personally have not seen CAPCOM or SNK going after MUGEN creators, as long as the projects are kept non-profitable.
The C&D letter is simply absurd. Most likely they don't know what MUGEN is.

To quote one of the people that have read this letter:
"They're afraid fans might be able to create a Clayfighter game that's actually good!"
I agree with this.

If your resolution is what you wrote is your response, I will respect that. I just hope you got an advice from someone who is actually a lawyer.

But if I may give an advice:
If they ask you to surrender the project to them, just say that you deleted it.
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#14  September 07, 2023, 07:46:53 am
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This is probably the first time I saw some company go after some MUGEN creator.

I'm just curious. Who created ClayFighter? The person, not the company. And have you thought of seeing what he/she thinks of your Clayfighter MUGEN projects?
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#15  September 07, 2023, 04:24:42 pm
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If I remember, something similar happened with BlazBlue? Either ways, this is absolutely pathetic. MUGEN's ToS literally states that you can not use MUGEN commercially, this is ridiculous.
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#16  September 07, 2023, 04:58:11 pm
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If I remember, something similar happened with BlazBlue? Either ways, this is absolutely pathetic. MUGEN's ToS literally states that you can not use MUGEN commercially, this is ridiculous.
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#17  September 07, 2023, 05:44:08 pm
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9, shiroto and m3, mugen authors of melty blood series' websites were taken down including the files they uploaded to file sharing websites, these were during the old window mugen era before electbyte's return during the first mugen rc phase, disappointed to see this is happening again, now with clay fighter series :( when i was looking at the tweet from O Ilusionista a while ago, he seems to have some ideas to help basara kun on solving the issue, we shall see how it goes and pray that everything will goes well

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#18  September 07, 2023, 05:52:44 pm
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If I remember, something similar happened with BlazBlue? Either ways, this is absolutely pathetic. MUGEN's ToS literally states that you can not use MUGEN commercially, this is ridiculous.

Well, true, but you won't be safe from C&D letters and/or DMCA takedowns anyway, even if it is centered around one or two franchise(s) from different companies, no matter if the franchise itself is alive or "dead" (i.e. no more new games or media in this franchise but is still owned by the company, which even includes Interplay's ClayFighter), and no matter if your fangame was not meant to be made for profit, as the company or its lawyers will highly think that the fangame in question causes some copyright infringement (which it did eventually happen to our man Basara himself that I currently feel sorry for him).
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#19  September 07, 2023, 11:58:58 pm
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#20  September 08, 2023, 12:23:41 am
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#21  September 08, 2023, 05:03:10 pm
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Guys, I need your guidance about this since I don't know what to do... I wanted to necro/revive this 10+yo thread about this issue and/or mention this in the CF Revival thread I made, but I think a new thread here is the proper way to follow to say this.

Most of you know about ClayFighter: Infinite Clayfare, my personal fullgame project which is the compilation of all my work I made for MUGEN until now. I thought I won't be noticed by Interplay, but now I know I did... but not the way I would liked to. Checking my Gmail yesterday (mostly cleaning mails) I found this one from Interplay's lawyer Christopher Nelson:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
As you can read, it's a Cease and Desist about my fullgame and all related to ClayFighter (included a direct link to my site apart of the CF page I made for IC). The mail is from July 18th and I just saw it yesterday, and meanwhile I continued with the promotion and even released the Beta 2 in August.

You all know that MUGEN itself and all content on it is marked as non-profittable, so I couldn't use it to get money, it if I could do it (like passing the game to IKEMEN for example) I won't do it anyway since I love this game series. But seems that Interplay guys are just businessmen that just want money and don't care about videogames anymore: I can't ignore a mail like this, but either I want to answer with something that I'd regret later (I'm so angry with all of this BTW), especially because the same guy was the one behind the cancellation of ClayFighter: ReSculpted, another CF fangame. And maybe he doesn't know about MUGEN, so yeah, I could stop my game and delete all the promotion and the twitter (maybe I could rename it as @basara.kun as my MUGEN general account), but he could think that I could continue when he see my chars and the others from MUGEN and not just made by me... since he linked me Ultra ClayFighter, a romhack not made by me.

I want to delete the mail and continue as nothing happens... but what about he and Interplay really make legal actions?? I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing, but there's a precedent here about "Miel Gibson" case (a small honey maker that has a wordplay between "miel", honey in Spanish, and the actor, whose laywers threatened them), so I'm not sure if I'm safe here...

tl;dr Interplay wants to make legal actions about my game and I need your help, guidance and/or opinions about what to do in this case... maybe about how to make a mail clarifying about I don't have intentions of use their properties in a bad way but as a way of fanart. I read you, people...

I'm so sorry to hear that.
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#23  September 08, 2023, 10:44:23 pm
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Guys, I need your guidance about this since I don't know what to do... I wanted to necro/revive this 10+yo thread about this issue and/or mention this in the CF Revival thread I made, but I think a new thread here is the proper way to follow to say this.

Most of you know about ClayFighter: Infinite Clayfare, my personal fullgame project which is the compilation of all my work I made for MUGEN until now. I thought I won't be noticed by Interplay, but now I know I did... but not the way I would liked to. Checking my Gmail yesterday (mostly cleaning mails) I found this one from Interplay's lawyer Christopher Nelson:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
As you can read, it's a Cease and Desist about my fullgame and all related to ClayFighter (included a direct link to my site apart of the CF page I made for IC). The mail is from July 18th and I just saw it yesterday, and meanwhile I continued with the promotion and even released the Beta 2 in August.

You all know that MUGEN itself and all content on it is marked as non-profittable, so I couldn't use it to get money, it if I could do it (like passing the game to IKEMEN for example) I won't do it anyway since I love this game series. But seems that Interplay guys are just businessmen that just want money and don't care about videogames anymore: I can't ignore a mail like this, but either I want to answer with something that I'd regret later (I'm so angry with all of this BTW), especially because the same guy was the one behind the cancellation of ClayFighter: ReSculpted, another CF fangame. And maybe he doesn't know about MUGEN, so yeah, I could stop my game and delete all the promotion and the twitter (maybe I could rename it as @basara.kun as my MUGEN general account), but he could think that I could continue when he see my chars and the others from MUGEN and not just made by me... since he linked me Ultra ClayFighter, a romhack not made by me.

I want to delete the mail and continue as nothing happens... but what about he and Interplay really make legal actions?? I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing, but there's a precedent here about "Miel Gibson" case (a small honey maker that has a wordplay between "miel", honey in Spanish, and the actor, whose laywers threatened them), so I'm not sure if I'm safe here...

tl;dr Interplay wants to make legal actions about my game and I need your help, guidance and/or opinions about what to do in this case... maybe about how to make a mail clarifying about I don't have intentions of use their properties in a bad way but as a way of fanart. I read you, people...

I'm so sorry to hear that.

Am i the only one who's just fucking pissed off now? since I feel like He should man up and tell that lawyer to go fuck himself
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#24  September 08, 2023, 11:11:15 pm
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I'm pissed too, but that's not the way to do things, I've been guided by fellow Guild members on Discord to do what I've to do, and one of them is to wait an official answer from Interplay about my issue... or that they responds publicly since the spread of the word on Twitter and some VG news sites

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#25  September 08, 2023, 11:32:41 pm
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I'm pissed too, but that's not the way to do things, I've been guided by fellow Guild members on Discord to do what I've to do, and one of them is to wait an official answer from Interplay about my issue... or that they responds publicly since the spread of the word on Twitter and some VG news sites

Since the answer has been given, the best option now is to wait for a response.
I still believe that the best way to solve this was to get a lawyer.
Most are bullies by nature, taking advantage that many people have no idea what are their rights.
Most change their 'threats' when facing another lawyer.
If money is the issue, some lawyers do not charge at the first consultation, or the consultation is at a low price.



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#26  September 09, 2023, 12:09:53 am
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I'm pissed too, but that's not the way to do things, I've been guided by fellow Guild members on Discord to do what I've to do, and one of them is to wait an official answer from Interplay about my issue... or that they responds publicly since the spread of the word on Twitter and some VG news sites

Since the answer has been given, the best option now is to wait for a response.
I still believe that the best way to solve this was to get a lawyer.
Most are bullies by nature, taking advantage that many people have no idea what are their rights.
Most change their 'threats' when facing another lawyer.
If money is the issue, some lawyers do not charge at the first consultation, or the consultation is at a low price.





I agree with that option.
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#27  September 09, 2023, 10:14:25 pm
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Putting this in the thread that's actually about the C&D because I don't want his other clayfighter thread to get derailed
Be an Centrlist man and do what the fallout onlline dev once did threaten the lawyer

You know almost everyone is pissed off now. Im just expressing my anger. Had you man up yet now against interplay yet?

Ah yes this is definitely sane, rational, reasonable behavior that would have no consequences whatsoever.

Still, Im angry at interplay, others are angry at interplay, basakun is angry at interplay and you should be angry at interplay also. So why you going against the centralist route?

I'm not happy about them doing this either but I don't think I'd get this worked up over it. Threatening the lawyer like the fallout online guy (???) is only going to make matters worse and will probably wind up in a lawsuit, and we still don't have a response from Interplay themselves yet so for a while it's going to be really hard to judge how the situation will end. I think Basara may be taking the most reasonable response by halting development after he finishes up Dr. Kiln (presumably) and taking a break from actually making clayfighter content for the engine, and he tried to make his actual response to the C&D email as organized and explanatory as he possibly could. He talked about it here so that he wouldn't make judgements too quickly, and everyone else came to him with the understanding that the best thing to do would be to not continue.

I have no idea what Interplay is actually doing with ClayFighter right now but I really don't think boycotting them would really change anything. The law is the law, and you either live with it or don't. I wish things could be better but they probably won't be improving for a while.
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#28  September 09, 2023, 10:26:02 pm
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Putting this in the thread that's actually about the C&D because I don't want his other clayfighter thread to get derailed
Be an Centrlist man and do what the fallout onlline dev once did threaten the lawyer

You know almost everyone is pissed off now. Im just expressing my anger. Had you man up yet now against interplay yet?

Ah yes this is definitely sane, rational, reasonable behavior that would have no consequences whatsoever.

Still, Im angry at interplay, others are angry at interplay, basakun is angry at interplay and you should be angry at interplay also. So why you going against the centralist route?

I'm not happy about them doing this either but I don't think I'd get this worked up over it. Threatening the lawyer like the fallout online guy (???) is only going to make matters worse and will probably wind up in a lawsuit, and we still don't have a response from Interplay themselves yet so for a while it's going to be really hard to judge how the situation will end. I think Basara may be taking the most reasonable response by halting development after he finishes up Dr. Kiln (presumably) and taking a break from actually making clayfighter content for the engine, and he tried to make his actual response to the C&D email as organized and explanatory as he possibly could. He talked about it here so that he wouldn't make judgements too quickly, and everyone else came to him with the understanding that the best thing to do would be to not continue.

I have no idea what Interplay is actually doing with ClayFighter right now but I really don't think boycotting them would really change anything. The law is the law, and you either live with it or don't. I wish things could be better but they probably won't be improving for a while.

This is why america must bring back duels back since, back when its about strength and will not from words about who has the best lawyer or have the best arguments. Edit: I'm sorry for this crap, im just pissed off due to what they doing and i cant think anymore
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#29  September 10, 2023, 12:39:29 am
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I'm really sorry to read that Basara.
I hope this will all be resolved in a good way for you.
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#30  September 10, 2023, 12:41:40 am
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If they don't change their minds, you can always finish the game in secret, take away your name from the new stuff and have someone else "officially" release it. They won't be able to prove you did it.
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#31  September 10, 2023, 02:39:57 am
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If they don't change their minds, you can always finish the game in secret, take away your name from the new stuff and have someone else "officially" release it. They won't be able to prove you did it.

Thats also a good idea since A if they can get rid of multiple copies if it got done and B it be an bigger bierbra Streisand effect causing the download to be more sought over and to be downloaded more and more
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#32  September 10, 2023, 03:00:47 pm
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ah yes, ye olde "my Gdrive was hacked and it had the most recent (almost complete) beta on it oh no"

I think its best to wait for a official responce 1st before doing something like that. Maybe they can realise Mugen is a profit free game or something.
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#33  September 10, 2023, 05:18:26 pm
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ah yes, ye olde "my Gdrive was hacked and it had the most recent (almost complete) beta on it oh no"

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.
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#34  September 10, 2023, 05:23:29 pm
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Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.

Bro are you just trolling by this point lmao cause this is as entertaining as it is baffling
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#35  September 10, 2023, 06:46:22 pm
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ah yes, ye olde "my Gdrive was hacked and it had the most recent (almost complete) beta on it oh no"

I think its best to wait for a official responce 1st before doing something like that. Maybe they can realise Mugen is a profit free game or something.
Well, I did say he should do that if Interplay didn't change their minds. I mean, it would be pointless to do that if they actually do the reasonable thing and leave Infinite Clayfare alone.

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.
You need to calm your ass down. You're being aggressive for no reason.
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#36  September 10, 2023, 06:56:00 pm
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ah yes, ye olde "my Gdrive was hacked and it had the most recent (almost complete) beta on it oh no"

I think its best to wait for a official responce 1st before doing something like that. Maybe they can realise Mugen is a profit free game or something.
Well, I did say he should do that if Interplay didn't change their minds. I mean, it would be pointless to do that if they actually do the reasonable thing and leave Infinite Clayfare alone.

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.
You need to calm your ass down. You're being aggressive for no reason.

Okay, and also im very sorry. Look  im just upset and not in a best state of mind. I just wish ic an figure out an good direction
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#37  September 10, 2023, 07:27:46 pm
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I hate when...
Company: *Does absolutely NOTHING with the IP for years, decades, centuries, millennia.*
Fans: Well, it's time to revive it. *Makes a good fangame.*
Company: NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T REVIVE OUR DEAD IP THAT WE WILL NEVER EVER TOUCH AGAIN. *Throws a C&D tantrum.*

This really sucks, compa. I hope this gets resolved soon.
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#38  September 10, 2023, 07:47:14 pm
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I hate when...
Company: *Does absolutely NOTHING with the IP for years, decades, centuries, millennia.*
Fans: Well, it's time to revive it. *Makes a good fangame.*
Company: NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T REVIVE OUR DEAD IP THAT WE WILL NEVER EVER TOUCH AGAIN. *Throws a C&D tantrum.*

This really sucks, compa. I hope this gets resolved soon.

Even if they're not doing shit with the IP, it's still their right to handle it the way they want, and if they don't want people making fan projects then they don't want people making fan projects. I have no idea if Woolie's video on fangames is the greatest thing to bring up 5+ years later but I've always felt his whole rule of "don't tell the public about your fangame until it's in a really finished state" is still a pretty good one.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#39  September 10, 2023, 08:19:23 pm
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The problem is other companies, bigger (and successful) ones, are fully aware of MUGEN and decided to leave it alone. Why is a lesser company like Interplay rearing their heads from whatever hole they dug for themselves to pull a C&D on a project that does more good than harm to the IP? If they had any brain, they'd go as far as openly support the project so they can pretend they're doing something with the IP.
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#40  September 11, 2023, 04:55:20 am
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Okay, and also im very sorry. Look  im just upset and not in a best state of mind. I just wish ic an figure out an good direction
I know and I understand you'd be upset, in part I still am too, but also I (and we) need to be calm and think well the next step, and that is to wait for an official answer via mail or a public announcement about this, later I will see what to do next.

Also, I want to thank all who helped and supported me with this issue, since kind words and spread the word as well the ones who revisited the mail I sent to Interplay, being here on the forum, Discord or Twitter. Really I feel the whole community backing me up on this, and I hope no fangame should get this again, so thanks to all :heart:

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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#41  September 11, 2023, 07:03:48 am
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ah yes, ye olde "my Gdrive was hacked and it had the most recent (almost complete) beta on it oh no"

I think its best to wait for a official responce 1st before doing something like that. Maybe they can realise Mugen is a profit free game or something.

It should be more like someone who obtained it before it got DMCA'd leaked it and no work has been done on it since. That's what happened to Crimson's Echo (A Chrono Trigger SNES hack that was DMCA'd by Square near completeion.)
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#42  September 11, 2023, 11:06:53 pm
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I mean, Pokemon Uranium was C&Ded by Nintendo and there are other people still working on it, its just not being publically revealed.
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#43  September 11, 2023, 11:22:32 pm
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I mean he could work on it in private (and he is already finishing up what he had before he was forced to stop), but revealing the completed product bum-fuck out of nowhere one day is just going to make people confused and get certain kinds of people to make bad C&D jokes that are somehow worse than the ones for nintendo fangames. Or yet again, a lawsuit. A lawsuit is the one thing he really wants to avoid here so that's why he's advising everyone else to tread carefully.

The problem is other companies, bigger (and successful) ones, are fully aware of MUGEN and decided to leave it alone. Why is a lesser company like Interplay rearing their heads from whatever hole they dug for themselves to pull a C&D on a project that does more good than harm to the IP? If they had any brain, they'd go as far as openly support the project so they can pretend they're doing something with the IP.

I think the reason why most companies don't support derivative MUGEN stuff is because the engine itself has a non-commercial license, and they don't want others to see it as some kind of competition because they know it isn't. People tend to bring that up a lot whenever someone does something tangentially related to money in this community.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#44  September 12, 2023, 01:01:28 am
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I mean he could work on it in private (and he is already finishing up what he had before he was forced to stop), but revealing the completed product bum-fuck out of nowhere one day is just going to make people confused and get certain kinds of people to make bad C&D jokes that are somehow worse than the ones for nintendo fangames. Or yet again, a lawsuit. A lawsuit is the one thing he really wants to avoid here so that's why he's advising everyone else to tread carefully.

The problem is other companies, bigger (and successful) ones, are fully aware of MUGEN and decided to leave it alone. Why is a lesser company like Interplay rearing their heads from whatever hole they dug for themselves to pull a C&D on a project that does more good than harm to the IP? If they had any brain, they'd go as far as openly support the project so they can pretend they're doing something with the IP.

I think the reason why most companies don't support derivative MUGEN stuff is because the engine itself has a non-commercial license, and they don't want others to see it as some kind of competition because they know it isn't. People tend to bring that up a lot whenever someone does something tangentially related to money in this community.

If its fucking competitive shit then i support corporate warfare Cruelty squad style.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#45  September 12, 2023, 08:24:49 pm
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I mean, Pokemon Uranium was C&Ded by Nintendo and there are other people still working on it, its just not being publically revealed.

Uranium was released before being C&D'd though.
That's how people were working on it, they downloaded the original release and worked on that.
Same with AM2R. Released, then DCMA'd.

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.

Bro, what?

I was reffering to what happened with Pokemon Prism, where koolboyman got a C&D from Gamefreak and then had his GDrive "hacked" which just happened to had the most up to date beta on it.
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#46  September 12, 2023, 09:13:17 pm
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I mean, Pokemon Uranium was C&Ded by Nintendo and there are other people still working on it, its just not being publically revealed.

Uranium was released before being C&D'd though.
That's how people were working on it, they downloaded the original release and worked on that.
Same with AM2R. Released, then DCMA'd.

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.

Bro, what?

I was reffering to what happened with Pokemon Prism, where koolboyman got a C&D from Gamefreak and then had his GDrive "hacked" which just happened to had the most up to date beta on it.

Couldn's just fuckin explain that quicker Christ besides acting very silent since it sounded like you just made an insult toward Basakun. Anyways sooner or later their stupid abusive copyright laws might going to change now due to this shit https://apnews.com/article/japan-population-decline-foreign-low-births-d047ea6136a5c66ffc45508cb824d5f1 I say make japan part of united states plus we needed their tech anyways to make united states along with the world an better place anyways.
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#47  September 12, 2023, 10:16:22 pm
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Dude, what the fuck are you doing? Stop responding to everyone with such vitriol and aggression. Stop making immediate over the top assumptions about users whose posts you don't understand.

And tone down the super fucking weird shit you keep saying about Japan.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#48  September 12, 2023, 11:36:23 pm
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I don't even really think Japan actually has anything to do with the situation. How TPCi and Nintendo handle their fangames were really only used as examples. Basara is in Chile, and Interplay, more or less the "big enemy" of this situation, is in the United States too. They're all completely different countries and I couldn't think of a worse time to bring up that declining birth rate people meme about.

I also think the other big thing Basara wouldn't want is this thread getting shitcanned. It's already made its way to multiple news sites and having them redirect to the shit thread and seeing all of the other misjudgements people make on this forum would... well, make matters much worse than they already are.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#49  September 14, 2023, 05:13:43 am
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Rest in peace, Toriyama-san...
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#50  September 14, 2023, 05:25:10 am
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After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

It's been an honor. Shame it had to go out destructively, but I really don't think there was any other option but to stop.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#51  September 14, 2023, 05:31:40 am
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Why are you saying "It's been an honor" like he's dying? He can work on other things too. On that note, fuck Interplay, I hope that worthless trash of a company dies.
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#52  September 14, 2023, 05:40:19 am
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Why are you saying "It's been an honor" like he's dying? He can work on other things too.

I was more referring to him ending the thread as it was a response to his "thanks for your support" comment. I didn't mean to sound like he was ending mugen stuff for good, I just wanted to be respectful
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#53  September 14, 2023, 06:43:56 am
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.
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#54  September 14, 2023, 07:22:57 am
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Well fucking god man fuck, you should of just followed the advice and maybe interplay would have fucking fucked off Edit: PS You should have censored the person's name on the email and now we have the person to look for now congrats
Last Edit: September 14, 2023, 07:29:36 am by Charles The fighter
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#55  September 14, 2023, 07:36:06 am
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Well fucking god man fuck, you should of just followed the advice and maybe interplay would have fucking fucked off Edit: PS You should have censored the person's name on the email and now we have the person to look for now congrats

You are fucking unhinged holy shit lol
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#56  September 14, 2023, 07:38:48 am
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Well fucking god man fuck, you should of just followed the advice and maybe interplay would have fucking fucked off Edit: PS You should have censored the person's name on the email and now we have the person to look for now congrats

You are fucking unhinged holy shit lol

Hey, I'm just telling Basakun to just careful due to the email has some stuff. Edit: im sorry but i think i have to just distance myself from Mugen now.
Last Edit: September 14, 2023, 07:50:37 am by Charles The fighter
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#57  September 14, 2023, 08:02:53 am
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Do not post in this thread anymore.

EDIT: actually, scratch that. That is no longer sufficient, given this other post.

When you return in 3 days, do not post in this thread, or any of Basara's other threads. In the future, think carefully before you post.

lui

Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#58  September 14, 2023, 02:21:52 pm
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.

No, it would not have changed a single thing.


Interplay is not interested in working with anyone else for a full game. There was no chance of Basara being a third party developer working with them.


Contacting them first doesnt matter as they clearly showed in the email they were not even interested in doing proper research about what Basara is and is not associated with.


They have the legal right to enforce their protection upon their IP as it is literally how you KEEP the IP in the first place. Not doing so risks losing access to said IP and Interplay does not want that as it is the only thing keeping them afloat.
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#59  September 14, 2023, 03:04:50 pm
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Oh no... anyway.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#60  September 14, 2023, 05:28:26 pm
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Welp, it feels like it's all over now. You made the right choice because lawyers of such companies like Interplay are quite too aggressive, even if the IP is still owned yet is still quite inactive (i.e. no more new games since the latest installment that was released long time ago or so).
If I was a developer of ClayFighter fan games, I would always stay away from making ClayFighter fan games because of this situation.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#61  September 14, 2023, 06:20:21 pm
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.

No, it would not have changed a single thing.


Interplay is not interested in working with anyone else for a full game. There was no chance of Basara being a third party developer working with them.


Contacting them first doesnt matter as they clearly showed in the email they were not even interested in doing proper research about what Basara is and is not associated with.


They have the legal right to enforce their protection upon their IP as it is literally how you KEEP the IP in the first place. Not doing so risks losing access to said IP and Interplay does not want that as it is the only thing keeping them afloat.

"If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened."  Well, two way: We have FULL game ( little possible) , or there nothing , just numeral stages, cahartes and thats all... (higj possible) .
Although, anyway i have still intrest what Basarakun make next!
Hey, can i help, or maybe i need help

lui

Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#62  September 14, 2023, 06:37:57 pm
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It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me :)

Oh no... anyway.

What the hell is wrong with you? If you dont care about this, fine, but why do you have to be insanely rude about an actual serious thing like this.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#63  September 14, 2023, 06:46:13 pm
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It's more like he doesn't understand the gravity of the situation and tries to joke around, you shouldn't take him seriously.

Sad to see what happened. This sets a precedent, but only for Interplay. Hopefully other companies don't view fan-art and celebrations of their IPs as a threat.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#64  September 14, 2023, 08:43:37 pm
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If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.

Oh no... anyway.

You're both fucking idiots.

It's more like he doesn't understand the gravity of the situation and tries to joke around, you shouldn't take him seriously.

Sad to see what happened. This sets a precedent, but only for Interplay. Hopefully other companies don't view fan-art and celebrations of their IPs as a threat.
I mean, they literally have no power over fanart, because only artists have rights over their art, even if its art of a company's characters. The only way they'd have a problem with that is with people selling fanart, which even then, it depends on the situation, they cannot sue people over commissions, only if a person just has that a fanart of their stuff hanging there with a price tag.

Besides, I wouldn't worry about that, bigger (and more successful) companies than Interplay have already indicated that they're aware of MUGEN stuff and they don't really do anything about it, so I think the only reason this project got attacked was because Interplay is a rotten corpse that wants to pretend their IP is relevant.
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#65  September 14, 2023, 09:20:00 pm
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#66  September 14, 2023, 11:26:32 pm
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This is why I think identity concealment is nessecery for fan game creators, emulators developers and any kind of hobbyist work that involves copyrighted materials. No need to dox yourself, keep your internet persona seperate from your real life one. No one can sue an online user, lest of all try to subpoena non-US websites for their email information.
 
I'm not exactly sure about the following so please don't consider this legal advice:
is there anything they can do to you while you are non-US resident? I don't think they're gonna extradite you over a civil lawsuit, and from my understanding - for this lawsuit to begin its proccedings you will need to be served those papers face to face by court agent or something. Because plausabile denialbilty can be used against them.
It could come back and bite you in the ass if you ever consider visiting the US. So i can see why you would want to call it quits.

Good luck man!
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#67  September 15, 2023, 02:33:14 am
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Not super relevant to people's points here but I do want to clear up some misconceptions about copyright law.

They have the legal right to enforce their protection upon their IP as it is literally how you KEEP the IP in the first place. Not doing so risks losing access to said IP and Interplay does not want that as it is the only thing keeping them afloat.

This is how trademark law works, but not copyright law. The two are often conflated and confused.
You cannot lose ownership of an IP, short of the set in stone expiration of copyright that is 70 years after the creator's death, where it then enters public domain. Until then, anything you create is your copyright, unless you give/sell the rights to someone else. There is no such law in that other people making unlicensed works with your IP risks you losing your IP if you don't enforce your ownership.

Trademarks, which must be registered and are not granted automatically upon creation like copyrights are, do work similarly to this. Trademarks are essentially brand names. Clayfighter the name would be a trademark, but that's not the same thing as their IP. A trademark essentially means "Hey, this is the name of our product in the market, and we'd like to reserve that name for our product so that other products don't also call themselves the same thing and confuse customers." This does need to be defended, but there's more leeway than people give it credit for. Essentially, if you register a trademark, but then other companies release their products under your trademarked name (say for example, an entirely different company releases a game called Clayfighter that doesn't share any of Clayfighter's IP but has the same name) and then you ignore them while they sell that game and make a name for themselves using your trademark and you don't do anything to challenge that, then yeah you can lose access to your trademark because the name is no longer strictly associated with your product in public consciousness. (You, if you were Interplay, would still own all of the characters and media and IP of Clayfighter, but would no longer be able to enforce that no one else calls their game Clayfighter.)

An obscure fangame using the IP of Clayfighter itself doesn't have the same risk of disassociating the trademark from its product, so it is highly unlikely it would result in a loss of trademark. Fangames are far more a case of copyright infringement than trademark infringement, and whether a company chooses to enforce against copyright infringement is their choice, as they do not risk losing their IP if they don't.

I mean, they literally have no power over fanart, because only artists have rights over their art, even if its art of a company's characters. The only way they'd have a problem with that is with people selling fanart, which even then, it depends on the situation, they cannot sue people over commissions, only if a person just has that a fanart of their stuff hanging there with a price tag.

This is also not necessarily true. It's true that they don't have rights over the art itself, but this only prevents them from using said art without permisson. So they can't use your fanart in advertisements or sell it or anything of the sort without your permission. But they CAN C&D you, even for fanart, because you've used their intellectual property without permission. While they don't have rights to your art, you don't have rights to their characters, and publishing your own art of them violates their rights and ownership of the characters. They absolutely can sue people over commissions of fanart of their IP. The reason this doesn't happen is because its far too small and too abundant to prosecute each and every fan artist, + it would be a PR disaster. But they do have the choice, if they so feel like it, to crack down on fan artists. They don't, which is good. But fanart is no more or less protected than fangames, and we have seen plenty how they treat those.

Likewise, the inverse is true. These corporations COULD ignore fangames just as much as they do fanart, but have chosen not to.

is there anything they can do to you while you are non-US resident?

I'm not sure of Chile's laws in regards to copyright infringement, but his content was hosted on mugenguild.com so it'd actually depend on the laws where this site is hosted, as to whether copyright law would be enforced or not. Basically— what is MFG's policy to receiving Cease and Desists?
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#68  September 15, 2023, 04:52:07 am
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I'm not sure of Chile's laws in regards to copyright infringement
Indeed, I mentioned about that in the first post, so being from Chile isn't a warranty that I'm safe:
I want to delete the mail and continue as nothing happens... but what about he and Interplay really make legal actions?? I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing, but there's a precedent here about "Miel Gibson" case (a small honey maker that has a wordplay between "miel", honey in Spanish, and the actor, whose laywers threatened them), so I'm not sure if I'm safe here...

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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#69  September 15, 2023, 06:21:15 am
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Ironically, I probably wouldn't know or care about Clayfighter if it wasn't for MUGEN. My first exposure to it was Clayfighter characters on the roster of a MUGEN youtuber I used to watch. Fans are literally the only thing making Clayfighter relevant in this day and age. Corporations are dumb.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#70  September 15, 2023, 01:37:07 pm
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Being from Chile doesn't protect you from the law, you made me remember Billy Mitchell case against Karl Jobst, he is in another country (Australia?) yet he has to battle and defend himself.

What to do? Sadly what they asked.

But if I were you I would be sure that every living Interplay/Clay Fighter fan know about this, to give them the reputation they deserve and don't support them if possible, but not as a F'U response, more likely as an announcement of work not continuing and asking people to spread the news.

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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#71  September 15, 2023, 04:42:29 pm
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It's one hell of an unfortunate endeavor to get slapped in the face by Interplay like this. One would think a fangame would be a good chance to use the old guard of a fandom to get fresh eyes into one of their franchises, but pulling a Nintendo is more important to them. It is what it is.

Don't let it get you down, though. Whatever else you've got cooking in that brainbox of yours will be equally as great and supported by the denizens around here.


Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#72  September 15, 2023, 07:33:53 pm
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#73  September 15, 2023, 10:39:13 pm
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While it saddens me to see a fan game get shutdown due to shitty company C&D. I'm also glad that our Z2 bois never received one from Bandai or Toei.
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#74  September 16, 2023, 10:23:50 am
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*long winded post about the semantics of copyright and trademark law because I got one of the terms mixed up with the other*

Look, semantics aside, the point was that Interplay has everything to lose if people start playing fan stuff more than buying whatever re-releases of their ip they have because they literally do not have anything else other than licensing out their stuff.

They were never going to work with Basara, did not even bother to research what projects he ACTUALLY was apart of, was never going to make him a third party partner and him even being able to get as far as he did was alot considering how fast they took down previous fan stuff. That's it
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#75  September 16, 2023, 10:11:08 pm
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*long winded post about the semantics of copyright and trademark law because I got one of the terms mixed up with the other*

Look, semantics aside, the point was that Interplay has everything to lose if people start playing fan stuff more than buying whatever re-releases of their ip they have because they literally do not have anything else other than licensing out their stuff.

They were never going to work with Basara, did not even bother to research what projects he ACTUALLY was apart of, was never going to make him a third party partner and him even being able to get as far as he did was alot considering how fast they took down previous fan stuff. That's it
Well, then that is also objectively wrong because there are no re-releases of their IP.

Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#76  September 17, 2023, 05:36:29 pm
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Wtf I legit thought that Interplay was defunct and had sold off their properties. This sucks and I'm sorry this happened to you Basara, your projects are great and I wish they would work with you on this matter instead of being stubborn

Even looking at their "catalogue" on their webpage they don't have Clayfighter listed
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#77  September 18, 2023, 05:42:05 am
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I'm sure I replied with this on your twitter post on this.
Have you thought about reworking the game with original characters, original stop motion sprites, original stages, original music/sounds, and have it run on IKEMEN? I'd pay real money for it if it goes for sale as digital downloads.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
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I'm sure I replied with this on your twitter post on this.
Have you thought about reworking the game with original characters, original stop motion sprites, original stages, original music/sounds, and have it run on IKEMEN? I'd pay real money for it if it goes for sale as digital downloads.

Uh.....actually, he released the screenpack and basically has made it a "DIY" game.
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I'm sure I replied with this on your twitter post on this.
Have you thought about reworking the game with original characters, original stop motion sprites, original stages, original music/sounds, and have it run on IKEMEN? I'd pay real money for it if it goes for sale as digital downloads.

Uh.....actually, he released the screenpack and basically has made it a "DIY" game.

He did do that but that still uses clayfighter assets, just isn't compiled into an actual game and is more random assets scattered into logical sections of his website. What pacsonic was referring to was a completely original game or IP that keeps the pixelated/digitized stop-motion style but uses its own characters instead of the clayfighter ones.

I really don't think he'd be able to do that, however. Stop-motion is time consuming and if basara were to get a team to do it it'd probably take several months just to make the sprites for one character. In general I just don't feel he has the resources to actually do something completely original, I have no idea if he even would want to create a team for it since he seems fine just doing things by himself and has other interests and hobbies than just clayfighter stuffs. Everything in this world costs money and it sucks.
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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#80  September 18, 2023, 06:55:29 am
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I'm sure I replied with this on your twitter post on this.
Have you thought about reworking the game with original characters, original stop motion sprites, original stages, original music/sounds, and have it run on IKEMEN? I'd pay real money for it if it goes for sale as digital downloads.

Uh.....actually, he released the screenpack and basically has made it a "DIY" game.

He did do that but that still uses clayfighter assets, just isn't compiled into an actual game and is more random assets scattered into logical sections of his website. What pacsonic was referring to was a completely original game or IP that keeps the pixelated/digitized stop-motion style but uses its own characters instead of the clayfighter ones.

I really don't think he'd be able to do that, however. Stop-motion is time consuming and if basara were to get a team to do it it'd probably take several months just to make the sprites for one character. In general I just don't feel he has the resources to actually do something completely original, I have no idea if he even would want to create a team for it since he seems fine just doing things by himself and has other interests and hobbies than just clayfighter stuffs. Everything in this world costs money and it sucks.

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Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#81  September 19, 2023, 05:37:10 am
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I mean it was just an idea. I'm not saying he should do that. He can if he wants to though. I got that idea from Them Fighting Herds which was a reworking of My Little Pony: Fighting Is Magic after it got DMCA'd by Hasbro.
Re: I got a C&D mail from Interplay...
#82  September 19, 2023, 01:51:47 pm
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basara wasnt making the assets , that suggestion would only work for someone that was spriting or modeling their assets.
Basara cant produce professional level stop motion for dozens of characters nor was there anything signifying he had that capacity. You might as well have suggested someone digitize their own sprites for a mortal kombat fan game
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