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Re: cartoon characters legitimacy

 February 10, 2021, 05:00:08 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in cartoon characters legitimacy (Started by DJ_HANNIBALROYCE February 08, 2021, 11:31:58 pm
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Though considering cartoon characters in mugen, other than outliers like warner, DDR, and others that have been said in this thread already. (Though DDR and warner's characters do have their own set of problems) Cartoon characters typically get made by people who don't really grasp basic fighting game theory, in turn gives them the reputation of being "illegitimate" to a point as miru962 was describing. Though I have seen plenty of SF, KOF, and DBZ characters that are absolute trash as well if not worse. Also them being more well known than most SF, KOF, or DBZ characters doesn't really help with the stereotype.

Furthermore, in addition to those low quality characters in those categories, I'd say Sonic, kaiju, Nintendo, and DC characters, and maybe Mortal Kombat characters, would have that reputation. Obscure game conversions are headed towards that territory in recent years as well. I can safely say MugenHunter would be the RyouWin/DDR/Warner for Sonic characters, while with obscure conversions it might be someone like MelvannaInChains or Mass. I remember when people were hyped for obscure conversions...
    

Re: cartoon characters legitimacy

 February 09, 2021, 08:24:57 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in cartoon characters legitimacy (Started by DJ_HANNIBALROYCE February 08, 2021, 11:31:58 pm
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Let me give a brief history;

Western Animation and Mugen have a moderately complex relationship, in reality. The earliest affairs were largely ignored, and generally made use of editing of fighting-type sprites to keep a style intact. RyouWin and Omega Supreme are examples of such creators. Derrick D. Rowell's Saturday Mornin' Mayhem is an early example of such a fullgame that used custom graphics with an MVC-like gameplay. Warner, a Salvadorian creator, was likely inspired by him to begin his line of characters; and even then, not all of them are like this; he did some Ruroni Kenshin characters as well as Wario and Luigi, along with The Thing. JudgeSpear, the first major Mugen YouTuber, picked up on his works, notably his Homer, and proceeded to make them stars, later editing them. Mulambo's Pingu is another example. The viral popularity, including 15 minutes of mainstream fame via "Attack of the Show", MUGEN and JudgeSpear got, is what inspired Zobbes, Smeagol14, Warioman, Placemario, and others to begin creating poor quality characters.

Unlike Warner, these creators would take their sprites from paint-by-numbers platformers and the like, adding unconvincing attacking frames. If they did draw their own images, they were of poor quality. The movesets of these characters were also extremely uninspired, with a spammable projectile, spammable strikers, and hypers like "Gun Shooting" and "Hyper Combo" (literally one or two normals rapidly performed followed by a last normal!). While Madoldcrow1105 was decent due to his handiwork and making unique movesets, other creators were... absolutely not. The MUGEN Database was riddled with examples of these poor quality affairs. Hence, the glut of poor-quality characters caused the reputation of the characters to go down the tubes. Today, Western Animation characters in MUGEN are gaining some ground due to long-time creators marginally improving, allowing those who grew up with lousy characters to play with improved ones. However, many problems with the scene remain.
    

Re: KoF XV

 February 05, 2021, 02:09:48 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

What if we got Iori’s ORIGINAL team from 95 (Eiji and Billy) instead of the usual or Three Sacred Treasures?
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 30, 2021, 11:29:47 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

Hey, this guys brain is actually working, look at that!
Hey, this can be KOFs time to  introduce guests, Ryu/Chun,  DictatorBison, or the other guys. From Fighting Layer. I dont care for Fighting Layer but you know its good to give em a leg up, i also want to see that guy Goku from DBZ, now that would turn heads

Why do I want Shantae in KOF now? Other company characters in SNK games have never been on the base roster; they've been either DLCs or merely hidden if we count MI.


Momoko? I would love an aged Momoko to return. She'd be the Christie Monteiro, and I'd love that, since Richard and Bob are too busy running the bar.

Her, Hinako, May, and Malin all coming back would be cool. Aging optional, but would be nice. At least to around Athena/Yuri's age.

Main non-antagonist character I wanna see return is Shen, full stop. Give us back the concept of characters who join a fighting tournament for the sole purpose of fighting: No deep inner plot, no trying to conquer their inner demons, no journey to quell a sleeping evil, just someone who hears about a tournament and just goes "Imma do that." lol

As far as completely new characters/characters that haven't made a playable appearance in a KOF game just yet, Laurence Blood is definitely up there for me. Also wanna see them do something with Syo Kirishima, honestly.. I also kinda wanna know more about Gustav Munchausen and just how he managed to find out about Goenitz and Orochi in general, but I severely doubt they'd do anything with him after his initial appearance, he just seemed to lose and just bounce lol. I know those last two are more MUGEN characters at this point more than anything lol but still.

The franchise does need more "E. Honda" type characters who fight for the sake of battle. Like the American Sports Team. Getting Syo as a proper fighter would be cool.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 28, 2021, 09:31:48 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

I could see Chizuru going as a single entry if not reclaiming boss status. I could indeed see Shingo coming alongside Kyo. As for the plot with Kensou and Bao, I could see them join with Mian or a newcomer to form a "Rival Dragon Team" to resolve that plot. Not sure if Daimon is coming back, though. Even Mai of all people skipped a game once.
    

Re: Dcat's TMNT WIP Thread

 January 24, 2021, 11:06:04 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in Dcat's TMNT WIP Thread (Started by Dcat July 02, 2020, 04:53:24 am
 Board: Projects

Splinter has gotten so much progress so fast you guys are an awesome team. Maybe dcat might get inspired to finish up April and add Rocksteady in the near future

They're a pretty good team, I know. Call them "Team Manhattan", much like "Team Z2" and "Team SMRT" in the past.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 24, 2021, 05:47:48 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

Dream Match titles aren't necessary anymore. The only reason they did these before was to fill in the void between each story arc caused by the yearly release schedule the series went by.

Fair.

But just cause they aren't necessary doesn't mean they don't need to happen. A 3D dream match would sell.

Or a game with EVERY 2D era character (including stuff like NGBC) coming back for one more bout. But since the end of the Dream Matches, SNK seem more keen on having one-shot characters like Hwa Jai and the like.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 24, 2021, 05:29:44 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

What other group do we want in this game?

I want Team World Heroes, Team Kizuna Encounter and Team Fighter's History. 

But that's never gonna happen. >_>


Fighter's History is owned by a company called G-Mode, so SNK would have to negotiate with them. Same for a Team Waku Waku 7 + Galaxy Fight (Sunsoft), Team Rage of the Dragons (Piko Interactive),  Team Breakers (QByte Interactive), or Team Fight Fever/Eye of Typhoon (Viccom). Not to mention Gowcaiser being owned by ArcSys (seriously, why haven't ArcSys touched VFG at all?) of all companies. This would actually be a good idea for SNK to track down their old third party devs and allow their kind to enter KOF 15.
    

Re: Time Travel: Mafia Wars

 January 24, 2021, 04:30:48 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in Time Travel ワールドヒーローズ: Post Modern Age (Started by Reginukem December 23, 2020, 08:25:21 pm
 Board: Your Releases, 1.0+

The mob stage almost looks like a WH-ified version of Larcen Tyler's stage. I wonder if there's more stages that convert the EC stages into WH style that could be done? And I wonder where the music comes from?
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 18, 2021, 05:34:20 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

To solve the problem with the leftover NESTS characters, perhaps mix them with the EX/Neowave/Maximum Impact/XI secret boss cast who haven't been seen in ages, or even make some of the strikers from the NESTS era playable? Or even FF/AOF characters who haven't gotten the chance of appearing in the series?

SNK "fans":

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I will never, ever get why wanting to see the Maximum Impact (or EX for that matter) casts return is apparently a bad thing.
    

Re: Akko sprite project

 January 15, 2021, 09:17:16 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in Akko sprite project (Started by シム (Shim) January 04, 2021, 02:03:14 pm
 Board: Sprite Projects

    

Re: Fighter Factory should support more games.

 January 15, 2021, 09:11:14 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in Fighter Factory should support more games. (Started by ThatOneGamingDude January 14, 2021, 09:45:15 pm
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Allegedly, they have plans for OpenBOR support in the future. That is nowhere near finished, however.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 15, 2021, 09:09:51 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

A few team-ups I want to see:

* Luong replacing Xanadu in the Korea Team; with her having Chang and Choi to fit that timeless "female boss crook and two dumb henchmen" trio that has existed since Yatterman.
* Kim and one of his sons alongside Alice Chrysler as a fighter. Maybe Kim Sue-Il could get in there too.
* Jeanne joining the Another World team to replace Love Heart, who's owners closed in 2019. Maybe we could get Cham-Cham in if we wanted a bigger shake-up. Perhaps Nakoruru could even bring over Rimururu/Rera? Not TOO many SamSho characters; the series is now once again active.
* For Shermie? Either New Faces or Orochi Ladies could work.
* A "wrestling team" with Raiden/Big Bear, Red Dragon/Gandhara, and Angel. Maybe work in Tizoc?
* At least one team of all-new characters.
* Alternatively, put Tizoc, Zarina, and Angel on one team for South America.
* The "Tales of Ash" team with Elizabeth, Ash, and Shen Woo.
* American Sports Team make a proper return, even with members shifted around.
* A "Junior Southtown Team" with the likes of Alfred Airhawk, Tsugumi Sendoh, and Li Xiangfei in its ranks.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 14, 2021, 02:33:58 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games



Why is the SNK fandom so ridiculously speculative? Raiden has been a semi-recurring character in the series, unlike Red Dragon who would be making his debut.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 13, 2021, 06:58:38 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

So Mui Mui and Love Heart are a no-go because of rights issues this time, right?

I think SNK got to keep Mui Mui, but Highlights (who bought Love Heart and probably the rest of the pachinko stuff that isn’t Mui Mui) closed in 2019, leaving her in a legal limbo as an orphan work. I kinda expect Jeanne to replace her at this point.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 12, 2021, 11:40:14 pm View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

Someone made a video about the possibility of The Red Dragon from 3 Count Bout possibly being introduced to the series here;



Whether this is to be a one-and-done deal like other obscure comebacks in the series (RIP to Hwa Jai, Richard Meyer, Silber, and the like, I guess) or if he’s here to stay as a semi-recurring character like the likes of Raiden is unclear. I wonder if we will ever get a Street Smart character returning again (even as a cameo)?
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 12, 2021, 01:09:33 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

I kinda wanna see Yuri all the way as an old master if they ever make like a third Fu’un game or even Garou 2. I agree she does NOT need to regress further. (She would have made a great assist trophy in Ultimate, by the way)

Also, Ash is a Hate Sink? Never knew that. He seems to have become less of a hate sink as it went on. Sokaku’s actually a pretty good suggestion for obscure comebacks, but I’m also betting on at least one World Heroes character to tie into the lost souls thing, given we had one in SNK Heroines (perhaps it’s Jeanne again, maybe not). I like how they acknowledge 3 Count Bout, and I feel like even more franchises could get stage representation; such as Burning Fight and King of the Monsters.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 11, 2021, 04:24:18 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

I'm starting to think there is a trend with every KOF entry that has at least one obscure Fatal Fury rep added and then they go back to limbo until further notice.

Which means it's Micheal Max's time to save the world!

Tung has been seen in both KOF XI and XIV. Also, we almost got obscure AOF dudes in XIV as well, and while Tung and Duck were in the Real Bout series, Hwa Jai and Richard Meyer were only in the original. I think Li is too recurring in KOF to really count for this. I'm personally hoping on someone outside of FF1, like Tsugumi Sendoh,  Axel Hawk, or Bob Wilson.  For AOF, I want to see Lenny come back.
    

Re: KoF XV

 January 11, 2021, 12:20:51 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in KoF XV (Started by Magma MK-II December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
 Board: Fighting Games

I also wonder why there was never any form of Tales of Ash Dream Match game. Was the saga that unpopular? Or was it a graphics issue? There were only a few characters that existed only in the XII style, but MANY that were only in the NeoGeo style, so I guess that's why they skipped the Dream Match. Perhaps they could do a Dream Match game with the whole Neo Geo era/style (possibly including NeoWave, NGBC, and EX), as I am not sure all the XII characters were in XIII, or were they? I don't see why MI characters coming back would be a bad thing, either. Same with EX characters.
    

Re: Rules of HP/Defense that MUGEN creators tend to forget

 January 09, 2021, 02:18:21 am View in topic context
avatar  Posted by Miru962  in Rules of HP/Defense that MUGEN creators tend to forget (Started by extravagant November 16, 2020, 12:24:48 am
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

ELECTR0 is an example of a creator who gives characters two different life values, one at a universal 1000 and the other more varied. This allows for user choice more easily, with a built-in alternative. Defense stats are also variable. In Pokemon, HP, DEF and SP.DEF are not the same, which I feel like is a good idea for MUGEN. This is why Blissey works differently from Skarmory, gameplay-wise; DEF vs HP. I do like a variety in my defensive abilities, anyways.