I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.
I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.
I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.
I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.
I've done something similar in the past, but never so formally; I think being more consistent with it is definitely a good idea, though. I'll try to construct a decent base team with previous tournaments in mind.
I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.
I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.
I've done something similar in the past, but never so formally; I think being more consistent with it is definitely a good idea, though. I'll try to construct a decent base team with previous tournaments in mind.
I've always tended to stick with just what mechanics said characters have for balance and if said AI uses them, but that doesn't sound like a bad idea either for future mugen AI tournament/whatever endeavors. Speaking of which I've noticed that good ghost has an unpunishable resurrection that happens every time he gets knocked down the first time let alone that he seems to get power in a time warp. As much as I love rashou mon he does have that instakill of toki's.
Really? I haven't seen that resurrection happen in my experience. That's disappointing. I'll see if I can find some replacements if Serbian is against these. Which I assume he would be
Really? I haven't seen that resurrection happen in my experience. That's disappointing. I'll see if I can find some replacements if Serbian is against these. Which I assume he would be
Yea, he does it every time in turns but not for singles for whatever reason.
Why not just do a tournament with real people??
Team Hey That's Me!
ill sumbit my team
Sorry for the slow replies. Been juggling some job app stuff and I wanted to give the thread some time to test multiple teams in one go anyway.Team Hey That's Me!
Akuma seems to be for MUGEN 1.1, unless I'm missing a 1.0 .def in his files. I'll readily confess that it's kinda silly that I'm still behind a version, but I've just had too much compatibility trouble with 1.1 (although I could try to set up a separate game on 1.1 for the purposes of the tournament). And I'd really like to let Rashou Mon through, but his instakill does concern me. Yuri and Hisui are a-okay, though.
Team Name: RebellionI do hate to say it, but I'm afraid this team is overall a bit too powerful. Each of them have some impressive damage output, and Athena is unusually tanky to boot.
Meldo and Roy's teams are all good to go.Team Name: RebellionI do hate to say it, but I'm afraid this team is overall a bit too powerful. Each of them have some impressive damage output, and Athena is unusually tanky to boot.
>Inb4 goodman upset part 2
TEAM NAME: BIG CHUNGUS
I'm gonna have to say no to Zodd and Vebel, though, on the premise that they deal way too much damage (and Zodd is rather tanky on top of that).
Team reject modernity, embrace apt questionable traditionalismI do feel bad doing this to ya again, but I don't think I can pass anyone on this team (I recall banning Evil Dan last time around, though I believe he was on someone else's team? I gave him another spin for consistency, but ultimately decided he was too much).
I hope these make suitable replacements, its getting increasingly difficult to find big replacements for the big team.
I will replace Akuma Good Ghost with Vega by Soy Sauce:Replacement accepted. My sincerest apologies, however; it's ultimately my fault for my unclear wording and I thought I'd clarified this previously, but apparently didn't, but I gotta say no to Rashou Mon.
It's funny, I went into testing this team fully expecting to veto GL right off the bat, but I honestly think he's kosher (unless his AI just has yet to wake up, though I've put him through more fights than usual just to be certain and nothing's really changed about his behavior).
Oh, my apologies. By "pass", I meant "accepted"; which two of the three characters in the folder did you want to use as replacements?AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I just now realized I accidentally packed bonuskun in there! Yeah, use Baby Vegeta and Fernandeath to replace Vebel and Zodd, that's my fault --;
Team reject modernity, embrace apt questionable traditionalismI do feel bad doing this to ya again, but I don't think I can pass anyone on this team (I recall banning Evil Dan last time around, though I believe he was on someone else's team? I gave him another spin for consistency, but ultimately decided he was too much).
Last time you gave me an reason why though... a vague answer of being more oppressive than the rest of the teams which I saw that but an answer nevertheless, all I'm getting here is evil dan bad. That doesn't really help me out with selecting replacements since there isn't really a baseline upon what is cheap, hence why I had that all those bullet points on my tournament upon what your character plus AI shouldn't do.
Last time you gave me an reason why though... a vague answer of being more oppressive than the rest of the teams which I saw that but an answer nevertheless, all I'm getting here is evil dan bad. That doesn't really help me out with selecting replacements since there isn't really a baseline upon what is cheap, hence why I had that all those bullet points on my tournament upon what your character plus AI shouldn't do.
You're totally right, I'm sorry. The damage outputs are generally my concern here. Thud's single hits are both fast and pack a punch, leading to a lot of one-sided fights. Dan kinda toes the line, but I feel he's particularly evasive and his clone move opens up for some nasty shenanigans. Satinsect is in a similar boat as Thud, with the reach of his attacks being the secondary concern. And Geese was just too powerful, pulling off half-health combos with relative ease and then adding on even more damage with aerial double reppukens that hit while the opponent is still on the ground.
EDIT: I will say, though, if it feels as though I'm being too strict (or outright inconsistent) on what's allowed, I'm open to discussion (don't want to promise anything, but I'm honestly leaning toward repealing my veto of Thud, who I think I may be overestimating). Though I am the one hosting, I don't do these exclusively for myself, and as such I'm fine with community input given that I'm turning to the community to set these up anyway.
also luise has life = 3100 and the mask destroy kenshiro_31, God rugal with yuki's AI patch at max settings, and compete with Donald desu's Ronald McDonald on standard settings.
I feel like I'm rambling on here so I'll come up with a replacement.
Team Name: Team Cringe
TEAMNAME: Morning Glory
Kohaku's team of Robotic Lens (am I getting my Type-Moon right?)
Extremely sorry for the late replies to the first two teams here; my empty head was literally too focused on the fact that there was a second page for me to double-check the first.Team Name: Team Cringe
I'll have to say no to Daga-Ru and The Mask, with the former boasting an insta kill and some borderline infinite shenanigans and the latter having some extremely oppressive AI.
I think I have to veto Robo Len on account of her overall power, and Oboren keeps bugging out of the stage (on top of already being quite spammy), so I can't let them through either. The latter half of the team seems fine, though.
Everyone checks out here except Luise, due to her crazy high stats.
I haven't heard any words about my team yet, but just to let you that Isaac is more of a HP keeper/berserker once his ultra burst activates, and he still keeps his attack buffs even after ultra burst is over, which feels pretty dang OP.
Want me to replace him with Mika Returna? (10th Palette) Unless everything is fine.
My apologies, real life's kept me tangled. I did have concerns with Isaac, even if it's largely to do with his UB, so I'd welcome an alternative.
Team: Demonic CutiesTeam has been slightly changed for balancing, Thanks
1. Saya by OHMSBY - 3rd palette
2. Heart by OHMSBY - 7th palette
3. Kirby by OHMSBY - 12th palette
4. Mika by OHMSBY - 10th palette
Can OP check to make sure my "Gyaoslen" and "Gamrlen" replacements are okay for my team?
Here's the mediafire link again just in case: http://www.mediafire.com/file/vvq154f0wozukym/kohakus_experimented_len_clones.zip/file
Also another suggestion I'd make is a list showing who is all registered for the tournament
Also another suggestion I'd make is a list showing who is all registered for the tournament
Though I have used one for personal use, making it public would be a good idea. I'm throwing it here and also adding it to the OP.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing)
I've left Amidweiz out not for any reasons of animosity, but because I haven't received word of team replacements. I'm happy to rectify this if you're still interested, though I understand if you're not.
My bad. I'll let Gyaoslent through, but Gamelen's combos are both very easy to initiate and quite punishing, largely due to her spin move, so I think I have to veto her.
Team Menaces of The Attitude Era
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...VTNC (I'm sorry...)
Wold ShowBuySpirit's Hakolen (with AI created by Ouchi) suffice as a replacement for Gamelen?
Also rename my Len team in your Google Docs list of teams to Kohaku's Experimented Len Clones please.
Team Menaces of The Attitude EraI think BBH is a little strong for me to let through largely due to her frequent dizzying, but I have no qualms with the rest of the team.
Gotcha, team updated.
I suspected that BBH would be a bit much, so I'll replace her with Dragon claw that I had last time
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