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Title: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTOAkira on March 09, 2018, 12:23:32 am
Super Smash Bros is coming to Nintendo Switch December 7 2018

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXzPRoFUQAAm1QL.jpg)





Everyone is back!!!
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/index.html
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 12:26:49 am
i guess they're starting over? the rumors say that it'll have the wii u and 3ds content meaning all the stages exclusively on the wii u and 3ds will be here

but aside from that i'm very excited for this

we finally get to see link in his different attire, mainly the breath of the wild attire
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 09, 2018, 12:30:50 am
Argh, someone beat me in making the thread about the game.

Anyway, it was at least three years ever since the last entry. Seems to be the right time to announce the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 12:37:18 am
I posted this in the Nintendo news thread, but just repeating here since we have an actual thread to discuss it in now.

So since we know BotW Link is in this game, time to speculate.  Would it be worth losing the older Twilight Princess Link for this one?  I feel if it's just a skin, it would not do the character justice, especially as the new outfit's not exactly iconic, you try to lose it ASAP in the game for better gear.  Plus previous Link equipment doesn't carry over to the new Link at all.

I'd rather they make him a new character with a new movepool.  Name him Link, rename the old one we've had thus far to something else (Hero of Time could work, maybe, since BotW is the only time in-game they mention him being canonically called Link?  Though then you have all the manga and other sources that state otherwise, of course).  Then you can really apply BotW's new mechanics into Smash, with the breakable limited time weapons a la Robin in Smash 4 and all the little tricks that tablet can do like blocks of ice and time stopping.

Another issue arises with BotW Link becoming the default one though; what do we do with Ganondorf?  He does not have a human form in BotW.  We've been stuck with TP Link just so Ganon had a matching counter-part, but now what?  I would greatly enjoy a what-if new design for human Ganon like we got with Sheik getting a Twilight Princess design, but that may be asking for too much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2018, 12:39:07 am
Marth is at the center of the logo with what appears to be Toon Link next to him.  Feminine figure next to Bowser and Kirby is either Peach or Zelda.

There was a leak about this that name dropped the Inklings and also claimed Ice Climbers will also be featured.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 12:43:45 am
ganondorf will return in his hyrule warriors attire soon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2018, 12:48:58 am


E3 cant come fast enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 12:51:40 am
ganondorf will return in his hyrule warriors attire soon
Ugh, please, I hope not.  That thing was so doofy looking, with that mane.  Reminds me of SFV's Akuma.

The more I look at that silhouette of Samus the more I see Smash 4's Other M (https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e4/Samus_SSB4.png) appearance, rather than Samus Returns (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/0/08/3DS_MetroidSamusReturns_char_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20170617175630).  Or at least some mash-up of Brawl's Prime interpretation (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/2/27/Samus_Clear_SSBB.png/revision/latest?cb=20160118005549) and whatever additions they'll have in store for Prime 4.

Oh well.  It would be the quick answer to just use Smash 4's model, I suppose.  Well, I hope they at least lose the ridiculous jet heels for Zero Suit.  I'm not going to hold onto hope for Ridley, when they were so set against him appearing, but at least some touch-ups to make the slim Metroid representation better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Nemuresu on March 09, 2018, 12:56:55 am
Glad about a new Smash coming. Hope I can get to buy a Switch this year.
Given that Link is using his BOTW attire, what could be more likely: a port with some character redesigns or a brand-new game? There's no Bandai-Namco or any third-party names in the trademarks, so I'm a bit curious on it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 12:57:23 am
ganondorf will return in his hyrule warriors attire soon
Ugh, please, I hope not.  That thing was so doofy looking, with that mane.  Reminds me of SFV's Akuma.

The more I look at that silhouette of Samus the more I see Smash 4's Other M (https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e4/Samus_SSB4.png) appearance, rather than Samus Returns (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/0/08/3DS_MetroidSamusReturns_char_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20170617175630).  Or at least some mash-up of Brawl's Prime interpretation (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/2/27/Samus_Clear_SSBB.png/revision/latest?cb=20160118005549) and whatever additions they'll have in store for Prime 4.

Oh well.  It would be the quick answer to just use Smash 4's model, I suppose.  Well, I hope they at least lose the ridiculous jet heels for Zero Suit.  I'm not going to hold onto hope for Ridley, when they were so set against him appearing, but at least some touch-ups to make the slim Metroid representation better.

yeah, i'm hoping to see which pokemon will be here and which won't

probably pikachu will be here from the look of the silhouette group
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: RoySquadRocks on March 09, 2018, 01:01:12 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2018, 01:02:56 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!

My guess it's a complete edition with a few more fighters and other things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 01:06:59 am
I sincerely doubt you have any need to worry about Pikachu in relevance to ANYthing related to Pokémon.  Presume Charizard will be safe as well, considering its immense popularity as well.  We all assumed Jigglypuff was cut out last game, but it appears legacy matters more than relevance in some cases, as long as it doesn't break the game like Ice Climbers, so I'll just say for Jigglypuff she's going to be fine.  Apparently the one from the original anime has become relevant again in the Sun and Moon one anyways, so there's always that too.

I'm less certain on Greninja.  He had his time in the sun with the X/Y anime series really boosting his popularity, but that's done and done.  And it has no use in the latest games.  I could see Greninja getting the boot for Decidueye.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 01:08:20 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!

My guess it's a complete edition with a few more fighters and other things.

meaning it'll have the biggest stage roster ever
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2018, 01:29:09 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!

My guess it's a complete edition with a few more fighters and other things.

meaning it'll have the biggest stage roster ever
EXACTLY.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 01:45:42 am
And the Smash wishlisting begins once again. :P  It's most likely going to be an enhanced edition of the Wii U release, so I wouldn't hold your breath for too much more content.  Maybe 4 or 5 new characters at best, I'd wager.

That being said, if they're not porting this one to 3DS too they have no excuse not to bring Ice Climbers back.  I wouldn't mind seeing Charizard go back to being Pokemon Trainer either.  Also literally anything more from the Mother series.  There's no chance of another Mother character, but at least they could bring back Fourside or New Pork City.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 01:58:56 am
I dunno about condensing Charizard back to Red and the others.  I felt splitting the character between three states just made it less fun to play overall.  It gets rid of Red, Squirtle and Ivysaur, sure, but there wasn't a whole lot to them to begin with.  I'd rather Charizard feel like a complete character, and maybe see about doing the same for the other two (Granted, that would fill the roster with even more Pokémon, but perhaps offset that by making them Blastoise and Venusaur instead?  Same general moveset concept, just larger.  Getting the original trio all in there would be a nice treat)

Ditto on more Mother though.  Paula would be fun with her frying pan and more devastating magic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Retro Respecter on March 09, 2018, 03:15:11 am
I'm too hyped. I need to see MORE!!! MORE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME, NINTENDO?!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 09, 2018, 12:41:17 pm
I already predicted before that there wouldn't be a Smash for Switch...
...but MAN! I'm glad I was wrong!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MAO11 on March 09, 2018, 12:49:31 pm
when i saw the trailer i thought it was a parody and they were staring at some ku klux klan burning cross.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 09, 2018, 12:59:57 pm
Also, friendly reminder: (https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--FofXtZha--/t_Preview/b_rgb:ffffff,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446247468/production/designs/309455_1.jpg)

Not to say that this is actually the case, but it's a funny theory nonetheless
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2018, 05:53:35 pm
People have been meme crazy with the thing the inkling girl saw.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 06:03:06 pm
People have been meme crazy with the thing the inkling girl saw.

i saw that on twitter as well
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 06:16:05 pm
Someone took a stab at trying to identify all the silhouetted characters:

(https://i.redd.it/666x9sx1dnk01.jpg)

Seems legit.  Only one that's not really clear enough to guess is the figure between Samus and Bowser.  That circle looking thing behind them could either be the Monado or the trails of Ike's headband.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2018, 07:04:35 pm
A thought just came to me.

Let's assume this is Smash 5.  How would you all feel if this follows a format similar to that of Street Fighter V in terms of how future character seasons and contents are distributed?  Say that we start off with a small roster the size of Melee's cast sans Hidden characters and will have a lengthy lifespan along the way.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2018, 07:15:07 pm
Now is this hypothetically taking the place of the traditional Smash unlockable content, or are we talking just extra seasons of chars, stages and possibly items

Because I firmly support expansion packs, but not if it means sacrificing the joy I get out of a new stage being unlocked
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 09, 2018, 07:30:05 pm
Someone took a stab at trying to identify all the silhouetted characters:

(https://i.redd.it/666x9sx1dnk01.jpg)

Seems legit.  Only one that's not really clear enough to guess is the figure between Samus and Bowser.  That circle looking thing behind them could either be the Monado or the trails of Ike's headband.

.... Or snakes headband
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 07:47:51 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

A thought just came to me.

Let's assume this is Smash 5.  How would you all feel if this follows a format similar to that of Street Fighter V in terms of how future character seasons and contents are distributed?  Say that we start off with a small roster the size of Melee's cast sans Hidden characters and will have a lengthy lifespan along the way.

Selling a watered down version of a previously released game on a different console with plans to sell back the rest of the game piece by piece as DLC would be the worst decision Nintendo could possibly make.

Besides, Sakurai would never do it.  Back during Smash 4's development he straight-up refused to talk about even the possibility of DLC until the full main game was complete. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Koop on March 09, 2018, 09:29:28 pm
All of the Nintendo games with DLC are complete games with the DLC created after the main game's development.

Smash games don't have very long development times compared to other games. Smash 4 had a two year development time and 51 characters were in the game at launch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: bubilovescars on March 09, 2018, 09:56:32 pm
Oh boy... New console means a Smash Bros game is coming.
Still don't know if this is a new game or not, but i think it's just a port with even more updates.
If the Inklings are in, what other new characters get we to see in this game? I see that Spring Man from Arms is highly requested next to Rex from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Aside from these chars, i see King K. Rool still keeping asking, but never got a chance to be playable or a assist trophy. If not, then Sakurai needs to tell why he won't include him in the game. (He must be allergic to crocodiles if you ask me)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2018, 10:00:17 pm
Because King K. Rool hasn't been relevant since... that one Donkey Kong game with the bongos, iirc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: bubilovescars on March 09, 2018, 10:13:40 pm
Because King K. Rool hasn't been relevant since... that one Donkey Kong game with the bongos, iirc.

Yeah, but that doesn't prove anything. He's being the most requested character since Brawl.
The tiki masks or those vikings Snomads, which aren't memorable villains than the Kremling'ss or the Koopa's in the Mario series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2018, 10:25:50 pm
Unless King K. Rool comes back in a big way in a big Nintendo title, he's got no chance at all. We were lucky he got a costume in the last Smash.

Like seriously, probably the only other character in the Donkey Kong franchise that has a chance of getting in Smash is Dixie Kong since she was in Tropical Freeze, but even THAT is a pretty big stretch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Nemuresu on March 09, 2018, 10:35:20 pm
A thought just came to me.

Let's assume this is Smash 5.  How would you all feel if this follows a format similar to that of Street Fighter V in terms of how future character seasons and contents are distributed?  Say that we start off with a small roster the size of Melee's cast sans Hidden characters and will have a lengthy lifespan along the way.

If most of the characters are free, fine by me; otherwise, no.
If this game will have paid-DLC characters, Sakurai and HAL should just stick to newcomers and guest characters like NRS did with Injustice 2.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 11:31:09 pm
Unless King K. Rool comes back in a big way in a big Nintendo title, he's got no chance at all. We were lucky he got a costume in the last Smash.

Like seriously, probably the only other character in the Donkey Kong franchise that has a chance of getting in Smash is Dixie Kong since she was in Tropical Freeze, but even THAT is a pretty big stretch.
It's been a while since I've played a Donkey Kong game, but do any of the newer ones past DK64 have villains nearly as memorable or at least used in more than one game?  The only one I've heard of is this frozen kingdom Viking guy from Tropical Freeze.

I'd take a more liked character who's been out of the game for a while over a newer less impressive one, personally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 11:43:31 pm
It's been 19 years since K. Rool was the big bad in a main line DK game back in Donkey Kong 64, and 11 years since he was the villain in a spin-off (Jungle Climber).  Since then he's been relegated to cameos and oblique references at best.

Honestly I'd say Dixie Kong would have priority over him - if DK gets any more characters in the first place, that is.  She's been around nearly as long as he K. Rool has, and remained a lot more popular and relevant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 11:56:11 pm
Oh no, I agree, I should clarify.  I do see Dixie being a higher priority if DK gets another character into the roster.  I'm just saying from the villain's standpoint, has anyone really mattered or stood out in those 19-11 years since?  Because if no one really cares about them, and there's enough fan feedback asking for a DK villain to show...I don't see it really mattering how long ago it was since he last showed up, he's the one people are asking for and it would gather positive attention to them.

I mean, it is supposed to be an all-star showdown, not a showcase for what's up and coming or at least relatively new, after all.  Likely one of the contributing factors why so many people were not happy with Corrin last game, regardless of the new playstyle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 10, 2018, 12:29:58 am
I think people were unhappy with Corrin because that pushed the Fire Emblem character count up to about 12 dozen while series like Star Fox and Metroid continued to get shafted.

And K. Rool is considered to be the de facto main antagonist of the Donkey Kong franchise by merit of being the most recurring.  The baddies in the DKCR games were just random one-time mooks, IIRC.  If the criteria was solely "we have to include a villain from Donkey Kong" then yes, K. Rool would be the best pick, but in the larger scheme of things I don't see any reason to include him now.  Considering the likelihood that this is just an enhanced port, I'd actually rather DK not get any new characters at all so that what few spots are open could go to other under-represented series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Do not even ask on March 10, 2018, 02:51:46 am
sorry but if there's no New Funky Mode in this game then i'm afraid i'm gonna have to pass on it

also i think this thread is in the wrong subforum my dudes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2018, 03:00:31 am
Old joke is old.

So, not that we have much to go off of, but anyone expecting them to retain the guest stars Smash 4 had?  Pac-Man was largely in thanks to the contribution from Bandai Namco, but I couldn't imagine them turning down the opportunity to show up again.  Same with Sega and Sonic. (And I'd hope Tails and Knuckles finally)  But I'm less certain with Capcom and more-so with Square specifically for Cloud.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTOAkira on March 10, 2018, 05:10:38 am
https://twitter.com/MissGandaKris/status/972294985834835968
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX5JITQVAAAmpW3.jpg)
Yoshi-Pit-DK-Peach-Ness-Marth-Mario-Link-Sheik-Pikachu-Samus-Kirby-Zelda-Bowser-Fox-CaptainFalcon-Wario
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 10, 2018, 05:33:12 am
it looks like zelda will have the same attire instead of the breath of the wild attire from the way she looks
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2018, 05:41:10 am
Zelda herself didn't actually do a whole heck of a lot related to combat in Breath of the Wild (Not that Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess had her do what Smash does with her.  Closest being OoT, just that she stole Link's magic he earned) so as far as she's concerned it's probably easy enough for them to just give her a skin for BotW, or the other way around should BotW be her new default look.

Still wondering what they'll do for Ganondorf should BotW be her default as well though.  Should Twilight Princess Zelda remain the default, though, at least he then could do the same.  Though that would be rather awkward, unless BotW Link is indeed a separate character from regular Link.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on March 10, 2018, 06:06:43 am
Just bring Wolf back and it's all good for me. That's all who I wish for to return. If not... I don't give a damn cuz the announcement of this had sold me completely I decided to get a Switch later in the year.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Moon Girard on March 10, 2018, 07:44:22 am
The original twitter that image came from said those are his guesses not the actual confirmed characters there hence Zelda's silhouette not really matching the actual silhouette in that spot. I also don't think there is anyway Link would go to the BoTW design while Zelda doesn't Shiek, Wolf and Roy shows Sakurai has no problem with making changes to designs to keep series characters looking consistent to each other.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 10, 2018, 02:44:22 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

Konami fired 1 very expensive dude to save the company, which includes reviving Bomberman with 2 new games, making Yugioh playable again, doing shit with Castlevania and Zone of the Enders. These are actually good decisions viewed from a business standpoint.
But unpopular opinion, I guess.

It's not farfetched to see Snake in Smash again, although Simon Belmont would have been the better choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 10, 2018, 03:30:32 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

Konami fired 1 very expensive dude to save the company, which includes reviving Bomberman with 2 new games, making Yugioh playable again, doing shit with Castlevania and Zone of the Enders. These are actually good decisions viewed from a business standpoint.
But unpopular opinion, I guess.

It's not farfetched to see Snake in Smash again, although Simon Belmont would have been the better choice.

HAHAHAHA try playing it now, also what about richter belmont  he'd be cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: ShinSamus on March 10, 2018, 04:38:46 pm
I'm really looking forward to this game.  :heart:

Honestly...I loved the last game so much, I don't mind at all if it is an upgraded WiiU+3DS version with new characters and modes added. It's by far the most balanced Smash game, and in my opinion the most fun entry in the series.

So long as it has a great online mode, I'll be happy.
(Also, maybe a stage creator similar to Mario Maker would be AMAZING)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: 1Ultima on March 10, 2018, 07:17:37 pm
It would be interesting to see if Cloud does return. Especially since S.E seems to be pushing Noctis a lot recently. Although the 7 remake is being worked on.

it'll also be interesting to see how Ganondorf is in this game. Will they add inspiration from BOTW and Hyrule Warriors? Although anything's better then being a Falcon clone i guess.

Another Xenoblade rep would be really cool. Question is from X or 2?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 10, 2018, 09:20:34 pm
HAHAHAHA try playing it now, also what about richter belmont  he'd be cool

Been playing since hayday, haven't stopped since.
But this topic isn't about Yugioh or Konami, so let's not go that way :)

And yeah, Richter would probably be the better choice if you would choose a Castlevania character.

Ganondorf als a Falcon clone has always bothered me, such iconic character wasted as a asset swap.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Xhominid on March 10, 2018, 10:54:03 pm
It would be interesting to see if Cloud does return. Especially since S.E seems to be pushing Noctis a lot recently. Although the 7 remake is being worked on.

it'll also be interesting to see how Ganondorf is in this game. Will they add inspiration from BOTW and Hyrule Warriors? Although anything's better then being a Falcon clone i guess.

Another Xenoblade rep would be really cool. Question is from X or 2?

I can see it being Rex rather than anyone else due to him having the most obvious potential like Shulk.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 11, 2018, 04:40:09 am
Meh...

...Is Bomberman still a pipe dream or not? Yeah, Konami. But R WAS a Switch launcher... Doubting it though. Even then, best case scenario, they'll base him off that and even worse, not give him + explosions...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 13, 2018, 12:58:42 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.
Super Bomberman R was a good decision, though.
Fight me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on March 15, 2018, 05:18:27 am
If we get a Konami rep, I'd imagine we'd likely see Bomberman over Snake again.
That said, I woudn't mind seeing Snake again.  I actually liked his kit in Brawl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 06:06:53 am
I would imagine adding Snake would do nothing but help Konami's public image, which they desperately need.  They have the basic groundwork for the character already built thanks to Brawl, just update it, maybe throw some alternative skins like for MGSV and actual guns thanks to Bayonetta more or less throwing that "no guns" rule out the window.  Nothing that we know of that prevents them from having more than one rep, there's room for both Snake and Bomberman at this table.

Just like there's room for both Pac-Man and Klonoa.  Right, Bandai Namco?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Cazaki on March 15, 2018, 06:35:47 am
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

Konami fired 1 very expensive dude to save the company, which includes reviving Bomberman with 2 new games, making Yugioh playable again, doing shit with Castlevania and Zone of the Enders. These are actually good decisions viewed from a business standpoint.
But unpopular opinion, I guess.

It's not farfetched to see Snake in Smash again, although Simon Belmont would have been the better choice.

Kojima's known as the lifeblood of the company, with the cancelled/rushed games and the release of games like Metal Gear Survive along with the fact that the future of the company being flat out uncertain I don't know if I can agree with all of this being good decisions. Now if it needed to be done in order to save the company then I can see what you mean but I haven't read anywhere that that's indeed the case.

Pretty sure we won't see Snake again, and I'm pretty much okay with not having guest characters at this point because I didn't particularly enjoy them last time around. Except for Sonic he's a natural fit into the game IMO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 06:42:55 am
I dunno, so long as they pertain to really large video games, I'm personally fairly open to more crossovers.  It's mainly a Nintendo all-star game, but the more the merrier.  But then I'm the weird one who's perfectly fine with them having Banjo-Kazooie over so long as it includes Master Chief. (I mean come on, you'll have playable Haloid.  How is that not cool?  Even if it is regulated to being 343's Chief with that scummy looking redesign... (https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/578/484/large/kyle-hefley-chief-page-01.jpg?1448913192))

Though on the flip side, I'd rather they focus more on their first party characters that need to show before said guests.  Of all these possibilities from popular ports, I'd rather Waluigi as a joke character before Solaire or Dovahkiin or Crash Bandicoot as a serious contender.

Pertaining to the guest characters we already have though, it's been two games and I'd love for Sonic to be joined by Tails and Knuckles this time around.  If they're feeling generous Sonic can get Shadow and Silver skins, but just the main trio being in the game is good enough for me.  It was fine just being Sonic in Brawl, but I was genuinely surprised they skipped the opportunity for the other two in Smash 4, instead just dropping off some Mii costumes for them.  Surely it would have been time better spent than messing around with Lucina and Dark Pit?  Yeah, they required less effort, but the payoff would have been better
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 15, 2018, 07:05:30 am
As long as Sonic is ostensibly a multi-platform character I don't want them to add anymore characters from his franchise but him as anything other than trophies and assists. If they want to add another Sega rep that's fine (and they have, although Bayo's pretty much a Nintendo character at this point), and there are plenty of avenues to take but I cannot in good conscience start wishlisting for Sonic characters to fill up roster spots.

No, not even him.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 07:18:52 am
Typically that I could agree with, because it would get insane having everyone from a guest appearance from just one series show up.  It's like if now that we have Cloud that Tifa, Aerith, Yuffie and Sephiroth became mandatory.  But I feel this is a particularly special case.  Sonic has a unique relationship with Nintendo and Mario specifically, transitioning from rivalry to having crossover games multiple times now.  It would be one of the few times that it feels more out of place not getting special treatment than just having Sonic and calling it a day.

And don't hide it, we know you were thinking of how well Big the Cat would fit in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Berry on March 15, 2018, 09:55:15 am
:( Travis when
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 15, 2018, 12:06:55 pm
actual guns thanks to Bayonetta more or less throwing that "no guns" rule out the window. 
I don't think you get the difference between fantasy guns and actual real-life guns.  For starters, her guns don't even cause flinching.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 12:37:31 pm
...That wasn't the point.  Guns were banned from Smash so long as they don't resemble actual guns, not for acting like real guns.  Everyone that had some variant of one had a very sci-fi fake looking gun, like Samus and Fox.  Bayonetta broke this rule.  It would not be out of the question for Snake to then get a pass as well, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not concerned as to how it works mechanically in the game.  It can just add damage without flinching like Fox, it can be a projectile down smash, I don't care.  I was just noting how they can make it look less fake now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 15, 2018, 12:42:13 pm
...Is there going to be a Forces stage instead of Windy Hill? And Cap Kingdom? An Arms stage at the very least would be neat that could replace Boxing Ring but doubt it...

Windy Hill was ugly garbage, but better than Brawl Green Hill and MKU was too much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Nemuresu on March 16, 2018, 11:26:21 pm
Found this on ResetERA (GAF's replacement) and thought it'd fun to speculate about it:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/351/181/9dd.png)
Basically, Ridley might become a playable character this time around if what those mods at ERA are saying is true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2018, 01:32:31 am
Presuming for a minute that there's any weight to that, if by some miracle Samus is updated to reflect her most recent attire like Link and possibly Mario if that is Cappy, would that make this Proteus Ridley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHoEWLl7tA) or just plain old Ridley?  I'd imagine it would be more beneficial for it to be plain Ridley, but it's always weird when only select characters are up to date with changes.  Also then have to pick between which Ridley, which I would hope not be Other M's Ridley.  Besides Other M being the cesspool it is, that's also not...actually Ridley.  I mean, it is, but it's not, it's a cloned baby and it just looks different than normal and they just wanted to make him look more scary for the new game.

I actually think should he be in, and not Proteus, they would probably use a smaller updated version of Brawl's (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/1/12/RidleySSBB.jpg) over the Other M version in Smash 4.  Just to help alleviate any confusion to more casual fans that would see screenshots of a big Ridley from Smash 4, and want to know how to play Giga Ridley in Smash 5.

...Barring his final smash isn't turning big, that is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 17, 2018, 02:52:24 am
Ah, there we go.  It's not a true Smash game without a cavalcade of bullshit fake leaks.  So many uncles who work at Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 17, 2018, 03:02:28 am
oh boy here we go

wouldn't it take too much space

how much space is ridley again?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 18, 2018, 02:11:00 pm
Meh, with regards to the fake news and leaks roaming about, I'll wait until something pop up on official channels (like the Nintendo YouTube channel) before I get excited. It is always like this during the lead up to the official release with every Smash game, fake news everywhere.

Why does it always happen with the Smash series and not with other (fighting) video game series? No one give out fake news with SNK or Soul Calibur on this kind of scale?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 18, 2018, 04:41:52 pm
Well, it happened to Capcom with MVC3, MVCI and SFV.
It's just that Smash has a broader audience, mostly because it's more of a casual party game.
Just to be honest, fighting games never had that much going on over here after the 90s fad.
I believe it's still a huge thing in Asia and America, not sure about the rest here in world.

Kojima's ........

But this topic isn't about Yugioh or Konami, so let's not go that way :)

I understand Konami being famous and of course a lot are still sad things happened between them and their beloved Kojima.
But please, if you have to, open a topic for it, tag me, and I'll gladly discuss it with you over there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 20, 2018, 10:49:01 pm
https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/973274075580821510

Funimation teasing Nintendo about possibly adding Goku to Smash.  What could possibly be taken out of control by this tweet?

...Do it, Nintendo.  Just do it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 21, 2018, 03:20:47 am
Too bad Funimation missed the whole "they have to be from a video game" standard that isn't a little known fact.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on March 21, 2018, 03:55:28 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?

What would be the significance of Goku? First anime/manga character to appear on Smash, is that it? What could Goku bring not just to Smash, but to the entire video game community? I'm trying to wrap my head around this, and I just can't figure it out. It seems that Nintendo has been searching specifically for video game characters who've made a lasting imprint on their platform and/or video game history:

Pac Man: First non-Pong, non-space shooter game, most iconic and successful, birth of booms for both Atari, individually and all of video games, globally
Sonic: Representative of Nintendo's former rival Sega
Solid Snake: Creator Hideo Kojima and Smash producer Masahiro Sakarai are personal friends, became first 3rd party character in Smash game
Megaman: Megaman 2 was best seller for Nintendo, also started out in Nintendo consoles
Ryu: Representative of the fighting game boom
Cloud: Representative of most successful of Final Fantasy games (VII), even though he was not in Nintendo (Playstation)
Bayonetta: Winner of Smash Bros. poll
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 21, 2018, 04:34:35 am
Well, Dragon Ball arguably has the most tie in video games of any property. Ever. Even with Star Wars in mind. That alone makes me want him more than those last two...

...But still not much. Also, it's been proven fairly recently that Mario is more iconic than Pac-Man. Still doesn't explain Dr. not being an just alt fully though. I'd even have to throw in that characters like Crash and Bomberman are more known/greater to gaming/further lasting than Bayo is globally. FE characters aren't known globally, Mother wasn't before Smash, Falcon wasn't known as anything other than a one-off compared to his car, Ice Climbers weren't but I don't even consider them characters/franchise/memorable at all personally...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on March 21, 2018, 05:53:48 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?
For the memes.  That's literally it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 21, 2018, 05:59:02 am
WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?
It's a meme at this point.  Best follow tradition.

He makes more sense than Dark Pit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Nemuresu on March 21, 2018, 06:15:53 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?

I can think of some possible reasons:
1.- Ever since Brawl brought the concept of third party characters into reality, people just blew it out of the water and started to think the likes of Goku were possible.
2.- With many "rules" (they're mostly fan-made, only a few really have any sort of validity) being broken thanks to Sm4sh, some people think there's only a way to out-top the likes of Ryu ("no more than one 3rd party company rep") and Cloud ("character must be important to Nintendo") and that's bringing Goku in.
3.- Memes and shitposting that never succeeds at making me laugh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on March 21, 2018, 06:19:15 am
Personally, I'd much prefer Crash for Smash than Goku, but Smash fan-games that have Goku playable actually have me interested in how he would play. He's always been fun to me in the fan games he's been in and it gets me wondering and curious about how Nintendo would handle actually having Goku in it.

Edit: I'd also be pretty hype over seeing Sora from Kingdom Hearts in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 21, 2018, 06:47:10 am
More or less what other people have summarized, but it's pretty simple.  Smash has been a display of big important fictional figures fighting.  Until Brawl, it remained confined to Nintendo only.  Then Brawl started loosening the rules with Snake and Sonic, plus not-specifically characters from video games but related to them, thanks to R.O.B..  Then 4 gave even less restrictive guidelines than before, with multiple reps for Capcom, "no guns allowed" Bayonetta showing up and so on.

So basically, yeah, you're on the money.  First manga/anime character to show up in Smash.  Minus the small legion of anime swordfighters already dominating the game, anyways.  Dragon Ball's had an extensive history with Nintendo, and shouldn't need to be argued as to how popular the series and the character of Goku specifically is.

Would there be better choices that fit Smash specifically beforehand?  Sure.  Would Goku work, should they be so inclined?  I'd like to think so.  Granted, it would be as silly as if Sony's PlayStation All-Stars went and added Tony Hawk, but still.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on March 21, 2018, 06:55:59 am
Edit: I'd also be pretty hype over seeing Sora from Kingdom Hearts in Smash.

Sora is an interesting case. I feel the same way with him like I do Goku...

But there's a twist. Many Disney games have been on Nintendo, with the early titles being mostly produced by Capcom, a current Smash rep. Sora being first introduced in Kingdom Hearts technically makes him a Disney character, not a Final Fantasy character. Disney's significance to Nintendo may give Sora a leg up in a future appearance. Though I do worry about him appearing on Smash, for Sora could be a symbol of Smash jumping the shark.

So yeah, Sora could end up being a double-edged sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 21, 2018, 07:08:39 am
I'm confused.  How do you feel the same way about Sora being in as if Goku was in, while the twist is how bad it would be for Smash's consistency.  Did you want Goku in, then?

Sora would require more hoops to jump through thanks to the Disney ties, but it's not outside the realm of possibility as I see it.  There was already the first step taken of including Sora in Final Fantasy titles like World of Final Fantasy.  Disney can be negotiated with, and while FF mixing with Disney was the whole concept behind Kingdom Hearts, I'd venture it was more risqué of Disiney to have Sora go outside KH messing with uncensored Final Fantasy compared to if they want Sora in the more family friendly Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 21, 2018, 07:32:15 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS?
He is arguably THE most iconic manga/anime character worldwide. Doesn't matter if he's not from a video game, and from a gameplay perspective, his moveset and normals would be pretty insane (fuck me if I know how they would go about impleting his numerous transformations though).

I'd say that's reason enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on March 21, 2018, 07:35:23 am
I'm confused.  How do you feel the same way about Sora being in as if Goku was in, while the twist is how bad it would be for Smash's consistency.  Did you want Goku in, then?

I personally don't want Goku in. All it will do is provide a path to adding anime characters that have little or no connection to Nintendo or the video game industry. Same with Sora: because he's Disney, it might infuriate a few companies. Say for example Nickelodeon wants to get involved, because Nickelodeon and Disney are rivals. I honestly don't recall a single video game starring a Nickelodeon character that has made an important impact for Nintendo or the video game industry. Who in Nickelodeon would they put in Smash to rival Sora? During the Smash poll contest, I saw a few candidates that made me feel uncomfortable of where the game could be heading. One time, I saw somebody suggest Dreamworks Shrek as a guest - I said to myself, really?

This was what I meant with Sora being a double-edged sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 21, 2018, 10:50:10 am
Battle for Bikini Bottom. Still regarded as one of the best tie in games ever. If you mean more important then that, then there really is none.

...The biggest reason Sora would be bad/worse than Goku is because Nickeleodeon or "rival" characters might join? How would having SpongeBob vs. Ryu in a company made game be bad? It would attract an extremely wide array of players. Are you fearing it would become Punch Time Explosion 2? Shrek was just as much of a meme choice as Goku and we all know it. Sora is most likely a serious suggestion from most.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 21, 2018, 11:24:01 pm
. It seems that Nintendo has been searching specifically for video game characters who've made a lasting imprint on their platform and/or video game history:

Pac Man: First non-Pong, non-space shooter game, most iconic and successful, birth of booms for both Atari, individually and all of video games, globally
Solid Snake: Creator Hideo Kojima and Smash producer Masahiro Sakarai are personal friends, became first 3rd party character in Smash game


Pac-man was one of the first, if not fhe first of videogame mascot.
That's probably one of the main reasons.

Personally I thought Snake was a really weird inclusion, because he didn't really fit in like Sonic did.
You know, most of cast being colorful fantasy or cartoon orientated characters.

Snake would totally fit into another crossover mentioned here though, Playstation Allstars.
Then, for some reason he didn't, so we got Raiden instead?
SquareEnix also declined to include Cloud, because they didn't want him in a thirdparty game.
But then he's in Smash4. It's just a rant though.

And about Funimation tweeting Nintendo, do they even have any saying in this?
Wouldn't that be the role for Shueisha, Bandai Namco, Toei or Toriyama himself?
Don't they just have the dubbing and publishing rights for the anime in the US?

Anyways, I wouldn't mind them including Goku, some of my friends would go insane too.
But it really seem like an odd inclusion for a (Nintendo)  videogame icons game.
Than we're talking Disney.
If I am not mistaken, Nintendo had some history of publishing Disney characters that goes way back in the days from before they even did videogames. So their business should be even more relevant than some videogame companies.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: lui on March 21, 2018, 11:36:45 pm
dudes youre all yelling about a game that hasn't even revealed whether or not its even a port or not yet.

i don't think there is any point in discussing why or why not certain characters should be in or not because frankly at this point nintendo can do whatever the fuck they want with any franchise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 12:03:45 am
Even Mega Man and Sonic? And Street Fighter? I wouldn't mind if they took Pac-Man over though... Wishful dreaming...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 22, 2018, 12:06:02 am
But that's what's fun about the wait.  Coming up with inane ideas and watching them burn.

Yes, no one should be skyrocketing their hopes for the unlikely.  But this little back and forth is just all in good fun.

Now add Goku so I can start petitioning for why they haven't added Usagi yet.  Then we can work on Darth Vader with his scorpion transformation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 12:31:56 am
Wait, who's Usagi. Actually... Which one?

I don't really see what's so inane about Bomberman compared to Goku, but that's just me. Yes, Konami. But...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 22, 2018, 12:44:05 am
Wait, who's Usagi. Actually... Which one?

I don't really see what's so inane about Bomberman compared to Goku, but that's just me. Yes, Konami. But...

i think he means usagi from one piece?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 22, 2018, 12:46:43 am
Sailor Moon.  Popular anime joke, only got Japanese releases with their games so it'd be like Marth and Roy, never mind it.  Dumb low-effort joke.

I was more referring to the clearly bizarre choices like Goku and the memes others brought up.  Bomberman is not impossible and would fit fine.  Likewise, don't expect anything drastic until we have more concrete news on the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 22, 2018, 01:25:47 pm
I agree with everyone that Goku for Smash is mostly a meme at this point. It has been so overdone at this point that I think we are beating a dead horse at this point.

I personally do not care for Goku regardless he gets in or not. He gets in? So what? I use Pikachu almost exclusively in the series (with the occasional Mii-brawler, Wii-Fit Trainer, and Charizard for the latest in the series). Goku will be just another punching bag for me to beat up, like what he is in my MUGEN program. He does not get in? No big loss for me at all.

I think that there are other characters far more obscure that deserves the spot more than Goku (and Cloud from FF7). How about some character from Namco-Bandai or even SNK. Those could use some attention and I actually might use a character from SNK.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 01:44:02 pm
I gotta be real towards that. "Good, I guess." At least the middle portion... After Pac-Man last game, I don't think I could trust another Namco character. Like ever. SNK, though...? Even Konami or another Capcom character seem more likely.

We do realize Miku supposedly won the ballot in Japan, right? Things could have been much... Different. And more melodic, not even counting the Choir Boys rumor. Now that would be a mess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 22, 2018, 03:04:10 pm
I guess my ultimate point is that opening the floodgates to characters not heavly related to Nintendo was a big mistake. Sure, I might have cheered to the fact that Snake and the rest of the third party characters are in (except for Cloud), but there is a line that shall not be crossed. Goku getting in will be dancing across the line and paving the way to even stupider things. If we took the time to include everyone that people want, then what's the difference between Smash and a very "trendy" MUGEN?

I threw in Namco-Bandai because they are cooperating on a good number of Nintendo games. I threw in SNK partially to illustrate how bad this inclusion fest can become if we use even the most bare of reasons to justify inclusion...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 03:30:23 pm
Well, Mugen would still have KFM. We know how much he's critical. And the aforementioned OCs. Nintendo could never replace or insert those, Nintendo's mortal like the rest of us.

Yeah, Cloud and Bayo were all Snake's fault. There's nothing to worry about, Goku won't get in. I can at least be sure of that in this bizarre period of gaming. That, and no indies either. Smash 4's reign of pure unadulterated nonsense is thankfully over.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 22, 2018, 06:24:48 pm
Well, if I am not mistaken, Bandai Namco developed Smash 4 in cooperation with Nintendo.
So a mascot from their IPs might have been part of the deal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Cyborg Sun on March 22, 2018, 06:31:59 pm
Nintendo has just announced that they are holding a Smash Bros. Invitational at E3 this year. This may mean there will be a Smash trailer before E3, but only time will tell.
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/976790642314522624
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: SkySplitters on March 23, 2018, 04:31:14 am
Since pre-Brawl, I will still support my most wanted newcomer. King K. Rool. That's all I need for the new game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2018, 01:13:21 pm
Nintendo has just announced that they are holding a Smash Bros. Invitational at E3 this year. This may mean there will be a Smash trailer before E3, but only time will tell.
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/976790642314522624

Ooh, an invitational.

Too bad I can't attend. In fact, who can?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Koop on March 23, 2018, 02:30:28 pm
People selected by Nintendo so it will be some fgc players and some youtube personalities.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 23, 2018, 02:36:54 pm
Great, now they'll NEVER shut up that Nintendo themselves talked to them... The YT ones at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: lui on March 23, 2018, 10:47:22 pm
"oh geez, the company who makes all my videogames i love wants me to attend their event!"

how is that a bad thing. if anything its a good move for Nintendo since theyre known to be kind of a dick to YT'ers
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on March 24, 2018, 04:25:36 pm
Right, I'm a believer of "Goku will never be in Smash"

In fact, I believe in "If your origins aren't from a video game, your chances of being in Smash are absolute zero."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 24, 2018, 04:32:10 pm
People selected by Nintendo so it will be some fgc players and some youtube personalities.
Little did they know, Reggie's secretly getting massive prep time in case of facing the winner of the invitational.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 24, 2018, 05:12:33 pm
*is sitting in the corner, hoping for Ice Climbers to return as well as Roy from FE not getting scrapped*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2018, 05:19:06 pm
There is little reason for them not to reintroduce Ice Climbers nor remove Roy unless this turns out to be a new game of such extreme magnitude that they'd have to rework every character enough that they lacked the time to work on Smash 4's DLC.  Which while I'm in the camp it's a new game, I don't think it's going to be at the expense of previous characters.  Except the low effort clones like Dark Pit and Lucina, they can pretty much all go and get merged with their original characters as a skin.  I would like Dr. Mario to remain, though, keeping the original Mario moveset, while new Mario gets to mess around with Cappy and/or F.L.U.D.D., and Roy's got enough different going on for him that he should be fine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Cyborg Sun on May 09, 2018, 05:33:44 pm
Super Smash Bros. Invitational 2018 players revealed. I barely know who a quarter of these people are (After all, I'm just casual trash), but I'm glad we'll see guys who actually know what they're doing for a first showing of the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 14, 2018, 10:27:36 am
Also:

Namco Bandai is probably returning as Co-Developers again, meaning that playable Pac-Man would be easily a guarantee if this really turns out to be true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: StevenB on May 14, 2018, 11:54:51 am
I hope that aside from Pac-Man they are also able to realise a Tekken character this time around (since Sega and Capcom had two reps as well; Sonic/Bayonetta and Mega Man/Ryu). I read in an interview that they considered Heihachi but couldn't get the complicated Tekken movesets to work in Smash so they dropped him. I'd be very interested to see if they could pull off Heihachi this time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 14, 2018, 04:00:01 pm
They could look over at his appearances in PSASBR and SFxT.

Although, how they would treat Just frames is another matter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 14, 2018, 06:28:27 pm
It'll be a sad and incredibly desperate day when Nintendo has to look at Sony for anything other than Crash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 14, 2018, 06:51:00 pm
Ignoring the clear buddy duo act of Spyro being along with Crash?

I don't really mind one way or another if Bandai Namco is working on the new game, seeing Smash was fine with or without them, but building rumors upon rumors, this just makes it harder to tell at this point if it's just revamping the last game or an entirely rebuilt game.  The former favors more previous characters getting ported over, the later suggests a better built game taking criticism in from the start.

I'm kinda leaning to wanting it to be a whole new thing, but I won't be upset if it's Smash 4.5 if it lets us keep Cloud.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 03:02:58 am
Take this for what you will. (https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018/may/21/rumor-new-leaks-claim-simon-belmont-ridley-and-ice-climbers-are-coming-super-smash-bros-nintendo-switch/)  Vergeben is reporting a new leak from a "verified source," which claims that Ridley and Simon Belmont will be newcomers for Smash 5, and also that Ice Climbers will be coming back.  He's also claiming that it's a full-fledged sequel and not just a WiiU port, and that everyone from Smash 4 is returning, including all 3rd party characters.

On the one hand, this is the same guy who accurately leaked TMNT for Injustice 2 and Groh for Soul Calibur 6, so it's not impossible that this is legit.  On the other hand he's also the same guy responsible for that bullshit MvCI leak that had Apollo Justice and Star-Lord and such, so he could also be full of shit this time too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: RoySquadRocks on May 23, 2018, 03:07:10 am
Not sure if this is true or not, but I'll be glad if my main Pac-Man makes a return again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on May 23, 2018, 03:15:43 am
Not sure if this is true or not, but I'll be glad when my main Pac-Man makes a return again.

and i'll be glad if greninja returns with an ash-greninja form this time
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 03:46:53 am
I mean, I would play both of those characters, plus it just being an objective good to return Ice Climbers, so I'm down with it.  But I question the thought process to add Simon before re-adding Snake back in.  I mean, he could have just not added that fact that Snake is in as well, but it would seem a highlight to me.  And an outright replacement would be odd, given Snake himself is still more relevant than the Castlevania series, and Simon's not even the last big thing in the spotlight.

I also echo what I said last discussion about Ridley.
Presuming for a minute that there's any weight to that, if by some miracle Samus is updated to reflect her most recent attire like Link and possibly Mario if that is Cappy, would that make this Proteus Ridley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHoEWLl7tA) or just plain old Ridley?  I'd imagine it would be more beneficial for it to be plain Ridley, but it's always weird when only select characters are up to date with changes.  Also then have to pick between which Ridley, which I would hope not be Other M's Ridley.  Besides Other M being the cesspool it is, that's also not...actually Ridley.  I mean, it is, but it's not, it's a cloned baby and it just looks different than normal and they just wanted to make him look more scary for the new game.

I actually think should he be in, and not Proteus, they would probably use a smaller updated version of Brawl's (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/1/12/RidleySSBB.jpg) over the Other M version in Smash 4.  Just to help alleviate any confusion to more casual fans that would see screenshots of a big Ridley from Smash 4, and want to know how to play Giga Ridley in Smash 5.

...Barring his final smash isn't turning big, that is.
While there are a number of things many take issue with Other M, rightfully so, one of the things that irks me a lot is the character design changes on Samus and Ridley.  Smash 4 got away with using them as they were technecally still the last relevant source to cite for them, but with Samus Returns, I'd much rather something that wasn't a purple flesh mound with random jutting spikes and flappy beak-lips like something out of Lovecraft.  Or just base him on the original Metroid as much as you can, him being human-sized back then.  Would still look weird, but at least make some sense out of his height.

One other thing about this hypothetical.  If we're to expect all previous characters from 4 to return, for the love of god, give new movesets to Lucina and Dark Pit to really differentiate them.  Now that we've established that they're locked in the game, do something better with them?  Otherwise they simply are just character skins taking up space in the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 04:03:32 am
^ At a guess, I'd speculate Konami would want literally anyone other than Snake in the spotlight at this point, because anything Metal Gear related will just stir up all the backlash they got over Kojima's departure.

And don't be talking mess about my boy Dark Pit.  He's perfect just the way he is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 23, 2018, 04:06:19 am
Ridley should be a red flag that the leak is not true. Sakurai already denied him, and Simon is somewhat of a doubt because his official creator left Konami.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 04:12:07 am
FWIW, Sakurai has also gone on record saying that having Miis or an Animal Crossing character would never be feasible in Smash Bros either.  Dude's allowed to change his mind.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 23, 2018, 04:14:15 am
He did? Well, fuck then.

I mean, I can doubt his idea on Ridley changing... Wait, I thought he wasn't the leader of this Smash game?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Nemuresu on May 23, 2018, 04:45:27 am
On the one hand, this is the same guy who accurately leaked TMNT for Injustice 2 and Groh for Soul Calibur 6, so it's not impossible that this is legit.  On the other hand he's also the same guy responsible for that bullshit MvCI leak that had Apollo Justice and Star-Lord and such, so he could also be full of shit this time too.

In Vergeben's defense, Max corroborated that part as legit. Though he said in a recent video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V91IwEq7JTY) (look at minute 7:00) that Season 2 wasn't a thing anymore. Maybe it's a case of canned content.
And on the topic of Rids, I imagine he might be similar to the Brawl Legacy XP mod version of him with aerial grabs and long-range attacks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 23, 2018, 05:35:15 am
Simon is somewhat of a doubt because his official creator left Konami.

IGA didn't create Simon Belmont. Although even if he did there'd be no obstacle, as they clearly are not against using the character. (https://www.konami.com/games/castlevania/gos/)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 05:43:18 am
Oh, right, I totally forgot that was a thing.  I was thinking the Netflix Castlevania anime was the last big project for the series, and that was focused on Trevor and Alucard rather than Simon.  Well, there goes my point, then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 23, 2018, 06:38:51 am
Going to call BS just for Ridley. Unless they're making a mode where you can play as the bosses, I absolutely cannot see Ridley as a feasible playable character without destroying his character, something Smash simply does not do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: bubilovescars on May 23, 2018, 11:48:08 am
I can understand for the Ice Climbers. But for Ridley and Simon, not so much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 23, 2018, 03:08:08 pm
Going to call BS just for Ridley. Unless they're making a mode where you can play as the bosses, I absolutely cannot see Ridley as a feasible playable character without destroying his character, something Smash simply does not do.

Samus "High heels" Aran? xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 11:53:01 pm
As someone who hates those stupid jet heels (But loves the concept if they just stuck to the actual jet boots she actually has) the Smash 4 version of Zero Suit Samus is hardly compromising her character.  Though I would still like some official canon recognition about her paralyzer apparently turning into a lightsaber/whip, since Smash is the only place that's a thing (And Haloid, now that I think of it, which...did that come first, before Brawl?  Did Smash steal a fan concept?) the character still very much looks like and acts like Samus, if more along the lines of Other M Samus.

Ridley is simply a complicated character to design for Smash without some form of backlash.  I mean, I wouldn't even be against him being as big as he canonically is, with slow attacks but helped by boasting superarmor, if Sakurai focuses more on the "it's just for fun" design of Smash moreso than competitive viability.  Just have tournaments ban him.  But people would be upset with that approach too, because many would want another regular use character rather than a "joke".  Which is totally understandable, but as has been said numerous times, when you shrink him you get a split as to how to make it still feel like a giant space dragon who eats people whole to heal and jostles Samus around in his claws yet still fit in with the rest of the crowd.

Speaking of eating people
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/AZComics/comic372.png)
I'm reminded that he kinda would be the darkest character in Smash, a straight-forward mass-murdering human-eating villain, and I've wondered if that might also sway Sakurai away from putting more effort into trying to make him fit?  It is still a happy fun time party fighting game they're advertising.  Granted, Bayonetta made it in but even censored she's still an odd one out in the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 23, 2018, 11:56:47 pm
Fox never had a hexagon light shield until Sakurai couldn't think of anything else for Down-B, I mean.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on May 24, 2018, 12:58:07 am
Ridley is gonna have a gigantic hitbox making him combo fodder to the likes of Fox, Meta-Knight, and Pikachu so it makes no difference if he gets in or not.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2018, 01:23:16 am

Ridley is simply a complicated character to design for Smash without some form of backlash.  I mean, I wouldn't even be against him being as big as he canonically is, with slow attacks but helped by boasting superarmor, if Sakurai focuses more on the "it's just for fun" design of Smash moreso than competitive viability.  Just have tournaments ban him.  But people would be upset with that approach too, because many would want another regular use character rather than a "joke".  Which is totally understandable, but as has been said numerous times, when you shrink him you get a split as to how to make it still feel like a giant space dragon who eats people whole to heal and jostles Samus around in his claws yet still fit in with the rest of the crowd.

If Smash was at all concerned about maintaining canon with the original series, we wouldn't have more than half of the characters we do now.  Capt. Falcon never leaves his race car, Ness can't use most of the PK attacks he has in Smash, Wii Fit Trainer/Villager/Mr. Game & Watch never even had anything that could be referred to as an attack.  Most of the movesets for most of the characters are entirely original for Smash.

I think Ridley could be made to work easily.  Make him 1/2 to 3/4 the size he was as a boss in Smash 4 (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LDy6J58dXZY/maxresdefault.jpg) so he's still big, but not too much bigger than everyone else.  Make him a heavyweight powerhouse like Bowser, with strong aerials and a shitty ground game.  Bam.

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I'm reminded that he kinda would be the darkest character in Smash, a straight-forward mass-murdering human-eating villain, and I've wondered if that might also sway Sakurai away from putting more effort into trying to make him fit?  It is still a happy fun time party fighting game they're advertising.

You wanna talk dark characters?  Lucas' backstory makes Ridley look like a kitten.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 24, 2018, 01:33:33 am
Now, I never played Mother 3 because I'm not that good at Japanese and I've never arsed to try the fan translation because there's always a new rumor about how it's coming out soon for the Wii/Wii U/Switch, but from my understanding...

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2018, 02:17:04 am
Spoiler: Mother 3 spoilers (click to see content)

Canon stories don't matter all that much in Smash, but even if they did Ridley killing people wouldn't change much.  Ganondorf is implied to have killed loads of people.  All of the Fire Emblem characters explicitly kill people in their games too.  Fox and Falco have killed dozens of enemy pilots, Wolf probably even more.  Bayonetta's entire franchise is about murdering angels in order to fulfill a deal with Satan.  If Sakurai can work around all that, Ridley's fine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 24, 2018, 03:04:14 am
I just wanna pop in and say that Snake was in Brawl.  The entire Metal Gear series is based around themes of war, government surveilance, the devaluing of human life, military states, global conspiracies, nuclear weapons, torture, unethical government practices and various other degrees of global and sociopolitical conflict.  And that's all played completely straight when Kojima isn't breaking the fourth wall and making poop jokes at the expense of his characters.  Hell, Brawl came out right before (and explicitly promoted) arguably the darkest game in the series at the time, where Snake fights against brainwashed female soldiers in creepily sexual gimp suits (at least one of which is a rape victim) and drags himself through a microwave hallway that graphically burns his skin.  There's a lot you could use against Ridley, but I don't think him being a "dark" character is at all substantial.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 25, 2018, 12:32:29 pm
Kirby is way worse, swallows and eats anything in it's path and has no remorse for doing so.
Think of the Waddledees.....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on May 25, 2018, 01:33:39 pm
Are people still talking about Ridley for Smash?

Didn't we all had this conversation years ago?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: 1Ultima on May 25, 2018, 02:01:03 pm
We did.
And we'll continue to have this conversation every time a new Smash game is announced as people know that bringing up Ridley is easy hype money.

Surprised King K.Rool hasn't been brought up yet tbh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on May 25, 2018, 02:04:05 pm
King K. Rool shows up time to time, but the meme is all about the Ridley.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Beta158 on May 25, 2018, 02:54:34 pm
May I remind you people of a fan game called Super smash bros Crusade? Ridley is in it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 25, 2018, 10:14:30 pm
Fan made Smash games tend to add whatever the eff they want with not much thought including anime characters if they really want to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: SkySplitters on May 25, 2018, 11:10:50 pm
Could be legit. Sakurai does like Ridley a lot, trying to be faithful to his incarnations in each installment.
He has had issues with him being playable in the past, but as with Villager, Mii's and Pac-Man, Sakurai could have taken his time to finally make Ridley fit. Remember how surprised Sakurai was when he was told that he was not only going to direct Smash 4, but for two consoles, which is stated was quite a surprise. Now, he knew more of the project himself, and might have used more time to figure out how to improve. Remember how single player was lackluster in Smash 4, and the disaster that was Smash Tour? All result in a rushed project, but trying to make it work.

Because of all of this, Smash for Switch will most likely be more focused work. So, Ridley being in the roster sounds quite legit to me. I'm sure that, "IF" Ridley will join the roster, then E3 is the BEST time to announce it, as Nintendo will win E3 by default, and the internet will blow up.

Belmont is not much of a stretch, really. Snake and the whole Konami vs Kojima makes sense that Belmont would make it. Remember that Sakurai stated that Castlevania and The Legend of Zelda II were the two games that changed his view of video games. So, if Sakurai likes Castlevania, why would Simon be much of a stretch?

Also, the only reason Ice Climbers didn't make the cut was because of hardware limitations. They are Smash characters, legacy, cult classic, and fans love them. Of course they are coming back, easy call.

So, do I believe this? I'm neutral. Do I think it's possible? Yes, very much so. Just a couple weeks left, and if Rids finally becomes part of the game, may King K. Rool & Waluigi also get their time to shine too. Just because, why not? Give me more reasons to actually purchase a Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 25, 2018, 11:37:14 pm
Waluigi is nothing more than a meme choice, that's the thing. Even Goku has more solidity than him, due to his history and anime icon status. Waluigi doesn't have any oomph, any character, any real anything in any Mario game backing him like... Even Rosalina? Rosalina at least had a story. All Waluigi has is a random Mario Kart stage. If Sakurai were smart, he'd make a Waluigi Pinball stage to cash in on the meme.

Ice Climbers are a legacy in what? Smash? Certainly not their original and only game. Balloon Fight is the cult classic, and we already got a trash stage off of it.

Sakurai can like Castlevania as much as he wants, it means nothing if Konami won't reply or deny.

Cloud and Bayonetta wrecked the meta enough. Ridley would be the giant baby that would destroy the womb that is Smash, I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 25, 2018, 11:56:47 pm
I agree, it seems unnecessary to include characters that have no preexisting legacy of their own.  It's not Smash's job to make icons out of obscure characters.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 26, 2018, 12:26:24 am
Falcon got the anime. Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from? The same place Reflector did?

Surprised you didn't say Game and Watch. He's... A gray area though. Not really a true character before Melee, but not complete BS either...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 26, 2018, 12:34:19 am
Falcon got the anime. Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from? The same place Reflector did?
Actually yes.

The original Smash Bros came before the F-Zero anime.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 26, 2018, 12:49:01 am
Falcon got the anime. Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from? The same place Reflector did?

Super Smash Bros. original Japanese release date:  January 21, 1999.

F-Zero: GP Legend anime original premiere date:  October 7, 2003.

Swing and a miss.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 26, 2018, 02:04:35 am
Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from?

Sakurai's ass.

Either way my point stands.  Smash Bros is not just there to give you your favorites, it's also there for Nintendo to promote less famous characters.  I used Falcon as an example because he was a literal nobody before Smash 64.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: SkySplitters on May 26, 2018, 10:50:00 am
Soon you will all bow down to Doshin the Giant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 26, 2018, 02:04:44 pm
Either way my point stands.  Smash Bros is not just there to give you your favorites, it's also there for Nintendo to promote less famous characters.  I used Falcon as an example because he was a literal nobody before Smash 64.

Fire Emblem became a massive hit in the west because of Smash, so yeah good point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 26, 2018, 06:47:25 pm
I would say F-Zero owes no small amount of its popularity to Captain Falcon's presence in Smash Bros.  Pretty much his entire persona came from the way he's portrayed in those games.  You could easily make the case that the story mode for GX and pretty much the entire anime would not be the way that they are if not for Smash turning him into a toku hero back when his only traits were being a bounty hunter that also races.  Kid Icarus is the same way, Pit had literally zero personality until Brawl brought him in as a goofball kid hero and then we got Uprising out of that.  Smash Bros pretty much gives these characters a chance to get a new lease on life.  And even so, like it or not, these guys are a part of Nintendo's history.  They may not be doing Mario or Pokemon sales numbers, but they're irreplacable nonetheless.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 26, 2018, 07:12:04 pm
F0X would have still done very well with or without Smash 64. Smash most likely helped shed more light on GX and the original, but X was considered yet another 64 classic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 26, 2018, 09:04:42 pm
X predates Smash 64 by a year.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Beta158 on May 27, 2018, 01:33:04 am
Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from?

Sakurai's ass.

Either way my point stands.  Smash Bros is not just there to give you your favorites, it's also there for Nintendo to promote less famous characters.  I used Falcon as an example because he was a literal nobody before Smash 64.

The same can be said for Ness. Earthbound wouldnt be a cult classic if he wasn’t included in 64 or Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 27, 2018, 01:49:41 am
That's not what cult classic means

If you want to argue there'd be no Mother 3 without it you'd probably be right
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Japanese Jesus on May 27, 2018, 04:36:23 pm
Waluigi is nothing more than a meme choice, that's the thing. Even Goku has more solidity than him, due to his history and anime icon status. Waluigi doesn't have any oomph, any character, any real anything in any Mario game backing him like... Even Rosalina? Rosalina at least had a story. All Waluigi has is a random Mario Kart stage. If Sakurai were smart, he'd make a Waluigi Pinball stage to cash in on the meme.

Ice Climbers are a legacy in what? Smash? Certainly not their original and only game. Balloon Fight is the cult classic, and we already got a trash stage off of it.

Sakurai can like Castlevania as much as he wants, it means nothing if Konami won't reply or deny.

Cloud and Bayonetta wrecked the meta enough. Ridley would be the giant baby that would destroy the womb that is Smash, I guess.

It's the fifth game in the series, dude. I think it's time to start adding obscure and minor characters such as Waluigi and whomever, because who else is there left?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 28, 2018, 10:49:54 am
Waluigi is nothing more than a meme choice, that's the thing. Even Goku has more solidity than him, due to his history and anime icon status. Waluigi doesn't have any oomph, any character, any real anything in any Mario game backing him like... Even Rosalina? Rosalina at least had a story. All Waluigi has is a random Mario Kart stage. If Sakurai were smart, he'd make a Waluigi Pinball stage to cash in on the meme.

Ice Climbers are a legacy in what? Smash? Certainly not their original and only game. Balloon Fight is the cult classic, and we already got a trash stage off of it.

Sakurai can like Castlevania as much as he wants, it means nothing if Konami won't reply or deny.

Cloud and Bayonetta wrecked the meta enough. Ridley would be the giant baby that would destroy the womb that is Smash, I guess.

It's the fifth game in the series, dude. I think it's time to start adding obscure and minor characters such as Waluigi and whomever, because who else is there left?

Pink Gold Peach
*runs*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 28, 2018, 12:59:59 pm
Let's add another swordsman and have those already complaining, complain even more! :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on May 28, 2018, 06:36:46 pm
Let's add another swordsman and have those already complaining, complain even more! :D

no lets add another bayonetta character that no one wanted
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on May 28, 2018, 07:33:08 pm
At this point, the only thing that would disappoint me in terms of character additions is if the new characters don't revolve around a special mechanic or playstyle that makes them unique.  Smash 4 set the bar pretty high by having nearly every newcomer have one of those, with Mac's power meter, Rosa's Luma, Shulk's stances, etc.  The character itself could be anyone, and I'd be fine as long as they've got something really cool going for them in their gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 28, 2018, 09:05:16 pm
Let's add another swordsman and have those already complaining, complain even more! :D

no lets add another bayonetta character that no one wanted

Right, that character that no one wanted that won a popularity contest spanning every video game character to ever appear on a Nintendo console. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 28, 2018, 09:33:49 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on May 29, 2018, 01:34:00 pm
So, any actual news of the game, or are we just talking and waiting for more news?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kanbei on May 29, 2018, 02:17:47 pm
Come on guys E3 is just less then a week away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Mysticus92 on May 29, 2018, 04:25:14 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

Eh. I'd rather have Hatsune Miku over Bayonetta.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 29, 2018, 09:47:44 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

That's not what happened?  She was within the top 3 most voted characters for the US and Japan, and was the number 1 most voted in Europe.  There's no way you can spin this that doesn't end with her winning the contest clean.  Take a statistics class or something.  Any way you slice it she came out on top above every single character included on a Nintendo system, including first party characters.  To say "nobody wanted her" is not just factually wrong, it's completely baseless.  Now if you say YOU didn't want her, that's a different story and you can't argue against that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on May 29, 2018, 10:08:18 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

That's not what happened?  She was within the top 3 most voted characters for the US and Japan, and was the number 1 most voted in Europe.  There's no way you can spin this that doesn't end with her winning the contest clean.  Take a statistics class or something.  Any way you slice it she came out on top above every single character included on a Nintendo system, including first party characters.  To say "nobody wanted her" is not just factually wrong, it's completely baseless.  Now if you say YOU didn't want her, that's a different story and you can't argue against that.

top 5, in everywhere, not just us and japan and thanks to europe we all got someone no one wanted

and i too would rather have some meme or joke instead of bayonetta
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 29, 2018, 10:41:02 pm
That is the most asinine thing I've ever heard

I don't give a shit about half the Pokemon they put in, that doesn't mean I'd rather them put some half-assed character because it's all about me and fuck everybody else

She was the highest ranking character in the poll that they could do so they put her in and that's the end of it

And she's pretty much a Nintendo character now because they're the only ones licensing her games so you might as well get used to her
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 29, 2018, 10:49:50 pm
I'm not upset at her in the slightest. I was just stating facts.

Now, Cloud on the other hand...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: ShiroTori on May 29, 2018, 11:14:52 pm
Honestly, I'd rather Sakurai and Nintendo just call the shots for characters at this point. All this fan input is headache inducing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 29, 2018, 11:21:09 pm
...Cloud what?  Certainly Cloud was wanted and popular, just considered impossible due to preconceived rules about third-party characters.  Not without some form of basis, mind you, but not so rigid that they couldn't be bent enough to allow one of the biggest RPG characters out there in.

Unless you mean you're completely against all characters that don't put Nintendo first, regardless of their status and popularity.  In which case....sorry?  Smash certainly is Nintendo focused, but when opportunity arises to bring other huge names into the fold, people are going to want it.  Like, imagine they want to represent the FPS genre (other than Samus, which Metroid Prime is a far cry from your typical FPS anyways) and the option for Master Chief or Gordon Freeman comes up?  That would be a huge draw.

Oh my god, could you imagine Gordon Freeman using the gravity gun for far-ranged grabs, though?  That would be awesome/terribly broken.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 29, 2018, 11:34:26 pm

top 5, in everywhere, not just us and japan and thanks to europe we all got someone no one wanted


What combination of drugs do you have to be on to interpret "This character won a popularity contest spanning 3 entire continents" as "nobody in the world wanted this character".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 29, 2018, 11:42:21 pm
I mean that I personally do not like Cloud at all. That was all I meant.

They already have Mario and Yoshi to represent the FPS genre, I mean... Who else would they choose? Doomguy or B.J. Blastowitz?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 29, 2018, 11:44:58 pm
What the fuck?

Mario and Yoshi were in one shooter and it was an obscure Super Scope rail shooter on the SNES (Yoshi's Safari)

I think it's time to stop
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 30, 2018, 12:00:14 am
Also yes, they would choose DoomGuy.  The series has got history with Nintendo, and still has an exclusive what with Doom 64.  Heavily censored compared to the likes of Doom 4, obviously, like Bayonetta went through, but you can still get away with things like the Plasma Gun or BFG9000.  Not sure how you'd go about fitting in the signature Super Shotgun because you're not losing that, but hypothetically DoomGuy can be made to fit in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 30, 2018, 04:41:54 am
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

That's not what happened?  She was within the top 3 most voted characters for the US and Japan, and was the number 1 most voted in Europe.  There's no way you can spin this that doesn't end with her winning the contest clean.  Take a statistics class or something.  Any way you slice it she came out on top above every single character included on a Nintendo system, including first party characters.  To say "nobody wanted her" is not just factually wrong, it's completely baseless.  Now if you say YOU didn't want her, that's a different story and you can't argue against that.

top 5, in everywhere, not just us and japan and thanks to europe we all got someone no one wanted

and i too would rather have some meme or joke instead of bayonetta

Have you considered auditioning for the circus?  Because those are the most impressive mental gymnastics I've seen in a while. 

Honestly, I'd rather Sakurai and Nintendo just call the shots for characters at this point. All this fan input is headache inducing.

Of course I believe everyone is entitled to feel however they do about any character's presence or exclusion.  I only take issue when I see complete ignorance used to justify either.  These games aren't being sold to a sole individual, so to disregard the tastes of thousands because one person disagrees is more than a little questionable. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 03, 2018, 01:13:06 pm
Remember how Nintendo added a what the fuck NES character to Melee with Ice Climbers?
And then a what the fuck NES character to Brawl with ROB?
And then a what the fuck NES character to Smash 4 with Duck Hunt?
I want the what the fuck NES character of Smash Bros for Switch to be Mike Jones from StarTropics, and I just couldn't care less how unlikely his addition would be.
I know he wont be in Smash Bros for Switch, but that still wont stop me from dreaming, damn it!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 03, 2018, 08:15:03 pm
What about Star Man from Pro Wrestling? Would be interesting to have a grappler. And then they could reboot that and have the game reach a whole new audience.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: SkySplitters on June 03, 2018, 08:31:02 pm
Most likely it will be Takamaru, but ...

I'd like it to be either Balloon Fighter with a gameplay focused around air-game. Or, Lip from Panel De Pon, being a summoner of those blocks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 04, 2018, 01:12:08 pm
I'd like it to be either Balloon Fighter with a gameplay focused around air-game. Or, Lip from Panel De Pon, being a summoner of those blocks.
Can I marry you, please?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 08, 2018, 03:27:53 am
E3 can't come quickly enough. Hopefully, the reveal trailer will shed some light on a few things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on June 10, 2018, 01:59:17 pm
Most likely it will be Takamaru, but ...

I can see a lot of people swearing about too many swords xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on June 10, 2018, 06:52:44 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 10, 2018, 07:10:44 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.

Sounds like an upgrade of Smash 4 with Simon Belmont/Bomberman/Solid Snake (Take your pick) thrown in... oh god, does that mean the joke characters that are the Animal Crossing Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are still there and there is also an overabundance of Fire Emblem crap???
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 10, 2018, 07:22:56 pm
I have a gut feeling that Rex from Xenoblade 2, and characters from ARMS will be included.

If Rex is in there, I hope he's not a blatant clone of Shulk.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 10, 2018, 07:39:49 pm
Looks like Simon wasn't a lie then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 10, 2018, 08:17:40 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.

Sounds like an upgrade of Smash 4 with Simon Belmont/Bomberman/Solid Snake (Take your pick) thrown in... oh god, does that mean the joke characters that are the Animal Crossing Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are still there and there is also an overabundance of Fire Emblem crap???

What are you talking about?
They still haven't announced more yet. Calm down.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 10, 2018, 08:44:56 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.

That was confirmed fake a while ago.  Some video that popped up on 4chan that was literally just the ending of the Smash 5 trailer and the guy added that screen to it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 11, 2018, 12:49:19 am
oh god, does that mean the joke characters that are the Animal Crossing Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are still there and there is also an overabundance of Fire Emblem crap???
Please.  The only joke character in the game is Jigglypuff because Sakurai has been determined to make her stay low tier after Melee.

Honestly, there's no way they'd drop Villager and WFT.  They have defined playstyles and they are the only representative of their franchises.  The only times we lost returning characters were because of: Clones, Copyright, or System Limitations. (Mewtwo is an exception with time constraints)

I could potentially see someone from Fire Emblem being dropped, if not only to introduce a new character from the franchise.  If any new FE character gets in, I'd imagine it would be Lyn, seeing as how she's been an assist trophy for the past two games and is the most popular female FE character.  Either that or a new character from the upcoming/recent game.  I could see Roy, Lucy or Corrin potentially being dropped, but Corrin has a unique kit, and Roy & Lucy hold the title for 2nd most popular male/female character.  Knowing this, I bet Sakurai would be hesitant to let either of them go.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 11, 2018, 05:02:00 am
Please.  The only joke character in the game is Jigglypuff because Sakurai has been determined to make her stay low tier after Melee.

No. You do not talk shit about Jigglypuff. You can only talk shit about the Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and the Fire Emblem characters. No one else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 11, 2018, 10:29:06 am
Please.  The only joke character in the game is Jigglypuff because Sakurai has been determined to make her stay low tier after Melee.

No. You do not talk shit about Jigglypuff. You can only talk shit about the Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and the Fire Emblem characters. No one else.
But...ROY!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: lui on June 11, 2018, 10:29:28 am
...thats an extremely safe trademark list so uh, no, this isn't really worth speculating that much over, since it looks fake as hell, because the only "new" trademark in there would be konami and i already know how everyone is gonna say it's for snake or something
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 11, 2018, 11:40:16 am
Actually, it's for Snake AND Simon Belmont.
Because that one DasVergeben leak? That might end up being real after all:
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8q4h48/dasvergeben_leak_might_be_correct_afterall/
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The same source that told him about ridley, snake, simon and ice climbers being in smash also said there would be 2 Castlevania games coming out. Including a compilation game for the Switch.
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The same source told him that Just Cause 4 and a new jump game that would be a mix of popular japanese shows. Both of these just got confirmed during the Microsoft conference.
And as we may know, Just Cause 4 ended up being real, same with that new Jump game (which ended up being Jump Force).

EDIT: Forgot to mention
https://imgur.com/a/2CGhFCF
The DasVergeben leak also includes Star Fox Grand Prix, Dragonball Xenoverse 3 and...VIEWTIFUL JOE 3?! AND IT'S A COLLAB BETWEEN CAPCOM AND PLATINUM GAMES?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: lui on June 11, 2018, 11:54:08 am
they literally just announced that XV2 is still getting DLC and isnt finished. I doubt that XV3 is a thing now, same with Star Fox Grand Prix.

You guys rely on "leaks" too much that aren't even leaks for this type of stuff. If you're going to post about leaks, post with something with substance atleast instead of just a couple dudes going "oh i heard this and this is gonna be a thing from my uncle dad at nintenbox"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 06:27:05 pm
Super Smash Ultimate, a new game on Switch with all of the characters back!

It is a dream match come true!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 12, 2018, 06:43:05 pm
Ridley looks amazing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 12, 2018, 06:44:50 pm
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
SNAKE IS BACK!!!
WOLF IS BACK!!!
SOME VETERANS FROM MELEE ARE BACK!!!
NINTENDO WON AGAIN!!!
THANK YOU NINTENDO!!!
THANK YOU MR.SAKURAI!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 06:46:03 pm
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
NINTENDO WON AGAIN!!!
THANK YOU NINTENDO!!!
THANK YOU MR.SAKURAI!!!

Good, now can people stop asking about Ridley?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 12, 2018, 06:47:51 pm
I can’t believe it. The crazy bastard did it...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2018, 06:49:46 pm
OMFG..!! That means I'll play as Wolf again!! YES!! We also got Daisy and Ridley in the lineup
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 12, 2018, 06:56:34 pm
I can’t believe it. The crazy bastard did it...

Let's not forget Daisy!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 07:07:29 pm
Now how many characters will be in the game? More than my MUGEN roster?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2018, 07:09:02 pm
It's guaranteed it has beaten MvC2's roster of 56. There's over 60 fighters and around close to 70.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 07:10:40 pm
My word, that's a lot! Is that the biggest we have seen in a fighting game other than MUGEN?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Solarflared on June 12, 2018, 07:17:16 pm
In regards to narrowing down Darkwolf's post...About 65, or 68 if we count the "echo fighters".
...wonder why only Dark Pit, Lucina and Daisy count as "echo fighters", though. I mean, there's a whole slew of moveset clones that got introduced in Melee.

But hey.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on June 12, 2018, 07:18:48 pm
In regards to narrowing down Darkwolf's post...About 65, or 68 if we count the "echo fighters".
...wonder why only Dark Pit, Lucina and Daisy count as "echo fighters", though. I mean, there's a whole slew of moveset clones that got introduced in Melee.

But hey.

Sakurai might have made the former clones get new moves.... Like Gannondorf using his sword more in his moveset.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on June 12, 2018, 07:20:38 pm
December 7th can't get here fast enough!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on June 12, 2018, 07:22:43 pm
https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/

The website is up. Basically Nintendo's version of Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

So, about that final boss. Still Master Hand?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2018, 07:25:15 pm
My word, that's a lot! Is that the biggest we have seen in a fighting game other than MUGEN?

I believe this is the largest fighting game roster in history now. MvC2 had it going for years and now it's Smash's turn, not including DLC either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 12, 2018, 07:59:43 pm
really digging greninja's new artwork, it's better than the previous one
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Santtu on June 12, 2018, 08:13:32 pm
Finally he's here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 12, 2018, 08:26:10 pm
Holy crap.  All of the cut characters coming back?  I wasn’t expecting that at all. I wonder how exactly they’re going to differentiate Young Link from Toon Link now.

Much as I love the additions to Ness and Lucas’ final smashes, I can’t help but also be dissappointed knowing that it means none of those Mother characters are going to be playable.  At least there’s still hope for Flint.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 12, 2018, 08:35:58 pm
Just when you think you've collected all the Smash amiibo, they're throwing in everyone they got. Welp, that's the joy of being a Nintendo fan. :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 12, 2018, 09:07:18 pm
My word, that's a lot! Is that the biggest we have seen in a fighting game other than MUGEN?

as long as we ignore the dragon ball "fighting games"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 12, 2018, 10:02:46 pm
Holy crap.  All of the cut characters coming back?  I wasn’t expecting that at all. I wonder how exactly they’re going to differentiate Young Link from Toon Link now.

Probably taller hitboxes, less horrible range, and maybe Young Link’s spin will be N64’s or something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 12, 2018, 11:11:02 pm
^ That makes sense.  The character vid from the site shows he's got his fire arrows too, which I totally forgot that he had.

There's actually a lot of new stuff in those videos they didn't show off in the presentation.   There's an assist trophy for Krystal, and a New Donk City stage with Pauline's band playing in the background.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 12, 2018, 11:29:16 pm
No King K Rool. 0/10


Seriously though, this looks absolutely amazing. All I've ever wanted was to have all the characters in one game, and now it's finally here! 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 12, 2018, 11:40:51 pm
Wait, if we have New Donk and New Pork, that means we can literally have A Tale of Two Cities.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 12, 2018, 11:42:09 pm
So I'm just going to say this nitpick now so as to move on to the rest of the good stuff as I mull over all the information overload.  The fact they stuck with Other M Samus and that annoying jet boot thing for Zero Suit still very much so irritates me.  They had the opportunity to update her as they did most others, and did not.  Which they really probably should have all the more, what with that final announcement.

And dear god, Ridley, I thought you would look like your 2D versions, but not the decaying husk version from Fusion.  Jesus Christ, he's a monster compared to the entire rest of the roster.  It's fantastic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Retro Respecter on June 13, 2018, 12:28:38 am
You are forgetting the most important news out there: Daisy is playable!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 13, 2018, 12:30:55 am
What about the updated facial expressions? I think that's even more important.

Or how everyone's Final Smashes now are literally super tryhard Mugen Level 3 hyper attacks, complete with hyper portraits?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 12:47:49 am
Ok, a few thoughts.  So Sakurai stated that there will be little to look forward to in newcomers, because that work has already been put to reviving previous entry characters.  That's fine, but now we need some in-depth look as to what makes their return worthwhile beyond nostalgia.  Because Pichu's cute, but a joke character before.  Is that still the case, or is it a more dangerous Lucario now, does more damage the higher its own is while also always hurting itself?  And Young Link, does he incorporate the masks in some format?  I would imagine the by far fan favorite Fierce Deity Link would be his Final Smash move.  But in general, I want to know what makes these characters worth the effort beyond "they're back".  Explain what changes Dark Pit got.  Even more-so, what's going on with Ganondorf now.

With Pichu restored, I kinda want a Raichu to be a Pokémon DLC character.  Yeah, it's not nearly the highest requested choice, and expands the Pokémon roster even further, but it feels odd not to complete the evolutionary line now.  And you could have Alolan Raichu as an alt.  But I have no expectations of that coming to fruition.  And the assist trophy section is like a shot to the heart, watching Waluigi, Bomberman and Midna go by.  So close to a full inclusion, then left just as a gimmick.  Likely none of them will end up full characters down the line this title.

Also, since they said everyone will be back, I wonder if that includes Alph.  He wasn't shown off today.  But then, granted, he was just an Olimar skin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Retro Respecter on June 13, 2018, 01:08:49 am
For once, I would love to see the looks of the black sheep of the Super Smash Community's faces when they see Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 01:13:23 am
Also, since they said everyone will be back, I wonder if that includes Alph.  He wasn't shown off today.  But then, granted, he was just an Olimar skin.

Alph and the Koopa Kids are still there, just as alternate skins like before.  You can see them in the character highlight videos.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 01:14:53 am
Ah.  I only saw the main presentation so far, will have to catch those later tonight, then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 13, 2018, 01:31:29 am
Simon Belmont is rumored to be the last new addition. I am extremely looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: ShiroTori on June 13, 2018, 02:16:07 am
The Captain N trio will finally be complete!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 02:29:58 am
Heh, just noticed this:

(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/bowser/ss_4.jpg)

Peach's neutral B had its animation totally redone so now Toad is jumping in front of Peach on his own instead of her just using him as a human shield.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 02:56:55 am
Oh, that is...an unusual color palette choice for Bowser, now that I focus on it.  He looks so, I dunno...dry.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on June 13, 2018, 03:23:39 am
Apparently all Pokemon hazards from past games are returning.  There was a case where Scizor appeared from a Pokeball.  Saffron City retains its n64 graphics, heh.  Really digging the all-in-one route.

Pikachu has a new N-Air.  It's a multi hit move probably to set itself apart from Pichu.  Ganondorf has several new Smash attacks using his sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 03:37:06 am
Ok, so just to rewind, I had to go see that Ridley trailer again.


And oh my god, Ridley legitimately just straight-up murders Mega Man and Mario.  I said he was gonna be a dark addition, but I didn't think Nintendo themselves would have a pre-rendered trailer of him snapping Mario's neck.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 13, 2018, 03:42:55 am
Various things I saw:

I love the changes with the UI and effects.  From the VS splash screens and blast zone indicator to the hyper move backgrounds and cut-ins like other fighting games.  The "final strike" effect even looks like a hyper combo finish effect.

Also apparently grab teching is in the game. (Like in regular fighting games)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 13, 2018, 03:58:10 am
  • Wario has Shoulder Bash back.

I can die a happy man now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 13, 2018, 04:05:54 am
Oh god, 3D Land is returning in that Toad picture. It literally took them 4 games to change Ganonnondorf, too.

About time they added Shoulder Charge as a dash attack as well. Always hated that weak flop.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 04:28:32 am
Knuckles and Arcade Bunny from Nintendo Badge Arcade are both confirmed assist trophies.  Knuckles just poses in Sonic's video so IDK what he does, but it looks like Arcade Bunny calls down a giant claw machine to grab fighters and pull them up and out of the stage.

There's also a screenshot of Snake next to a Ramblin' Evil Mushroom from Earthbound, but it's not clear if it's an assist trophy or an item.  Maybe an enemy from some kinda Smash Run mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 05:01:08 am
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/daisy/ss_3.jpg)
I see Smash this year is in the running to try to upstage Street Fighter IV's slo-mo goofy faces.

(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/zero_suit_samus/ss_5.jpg)
I also see they did the same joke again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 13, 2018, 05:12:22 am
speaking of street fighter, have you noticed that before the fight begins someone picks a stage then someone picks a character

it reminded me of street fighter V in a way
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 13, 2018, 05:22:48 am
Yup, they said they did it so that you could choose your character accordingly based on the stage that was chosen.
It's what they do at tournaments too, so that's pretty neat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on June 13, 2018, 05:28:17 am


Vega/Claw theme cover as part of a new music addon.  I never expected his music to be included.


Snake has a new logo being an exclamation point instead of the Foxhound logo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 13, 2018, 06:24:43 am
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/zero_suit_samus/ss_5.jpg)
I also see they did the same joke again.

Was Snake always an ass-man?

Never seem to notice that, or maybe he's just a pervert.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on June 13, 2018, 02:57:22 pm
Heh, just noticed this:

Peach's neutral B had its animation totally redone so now Toad is jumping in front of Peach on his own instead of her just using him as a human shield.

She used to take him out from underneath her dress xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Santtu on June 13, 2018, 04:05:07 pm
Was Snake always an ass-man?

Never seem to notice that, or maybe he's just a pervert.
That's how he recognized Meryl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: bubilovescars on June 13, 2018, 05:39:04 pm
That Direct was awesome. Holy shit!

All the fighters returning. Do you think we get a 70 chars in this game? Apparently the leak seems to be true and Simon could the simi-final char and soon another one.

Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 13, 2018, 09:25:08 pm
That Direct was awesome. Holy shit!

All the fighters returning. Do you think we get a 70 chars in this game? Apparently the leak seems to be true and Simon could the simi-final char and soon another one.

Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?

it's about time marth gets an english voice. I don't think roy will have an english voice as well
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: bubilovescars on June 13, 2018, 11:32:44 pm
That Direct was awesome. Holy shit!

All the fighters returning. Do you think we get a 70 chars in this game? Apparently the leak seems to be true and Simon could the simi-final char and soon another one.

Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?

it's about time marth gets an english voice. I don't think roy will have an english voice as well

Speaking of English voice, what about Cloud Strife? Steve Burton is still active and is still the role of Cloud. How come didn't he have a English voice in the first place?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 11:34:30 pm
So everyone was blown away by the announcement of all the characters yesterday, but the stages ended up getting overlooked.  Going through all the videos, screenshots, and the official website, more than 80 stages have been confirmed to be in the game so far, which is nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsBjEXlqGXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ81QsJqLA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF-yNJJOUWU

At this point it'd be easier to list the stages from past games that aren't being recreated for Ultimate.  As a Mother fan, I'm super excited about Fourside and New Pork City coming back, plus that gorgeous Magicant stage getting the HD upgrade it deserves.

:EDIT: So for shits and giggles I actually did make a list of all the past stages that haven't been shown off in some way for Ultimate yet.  Discounting the various iterations of Battlefield and Final Destination, there are about 120 or so stages between every Smash game until now.  Of those, there are only 35 that have yet to show up in this one.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Goddamn.  Sakurai putting in the work.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 13, 2018, 11:51:38 pm
omg first the largest fighter roster, now the largest stage roster
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 14, 2018, 04:37:34 am
Mushroomy Kingdom is shown too. Dang shame most of those are annoying as hell to play on.

Still have a way to go to beat out Smash Infinite's stage roster though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on June 14, 2018, 04:53:42 am
Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?

Yuri Lowenthal has been voicing Marth in English for a while now. Honestly, he could have had it by Smash 4 due to the Shadow Dragon remake having english Marth already

it's about time marth gets an english voice. I don't think roy will have an english voice as well

Roy has an english voice in Heroes, so he could have one in Smash 5 as well.

Still have a way to go to beat out Smash Infinite's stage roster though.

Comparing to a silly fan game.

kek.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 14, 2018, 12:13:02 pm
Mushroomy Kingdom is shown too.

That's my favorite stage in the 3DS version of Sm4sh. Easy and fast kills with high launch set. I hope it's usable for 8 player smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 14, 2018, 12:24:38 pm
BTW, something I noticed: Knuckles is an assist trophy now, yet Shadow is...oddly absent...
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 14, 2018, 01:42:31 pm
i just realized something:

while they're showing us gameplay for super smash bros ultimate

i can hear xander mobus being the announcer again in the new smash bros game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 14, 2018, 07:45:16 pm
While they did introduce the term Echo Fighters, I don't expect them to go too crazy with it.
I'm don't think there'll be any Echos of 3rd parties, or to make a dark version of a character. (To avoid the Dark Pit-esque backlash again.)

Since we'll be having tons of unlockable characters again, I wonder what they'll do in terms of single player modes.
I at least hope Classic mode will be as good as it was in Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 14, 2018, 08:44:54 pm
I hope Isabelle becomes a Villager Echo Fighter; I hear she’s no longer an assist so it seems possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 14, 2018, 08:56:57 pm
I'm not sure how people are deciding whether an Assist is in or not when all they've got to go by is an E3 build which definitely doesn't have everything in it; heck, that Meta Ridley costume featured in Ridley's reveal trailer isn't even in there, nor are the alt colours of Wireframe Mac.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 14, 2018, 09:09:13 pm
I hope Isabelle becomes a Villager Echo Fighter; I hear she’s no longer an assist so it seems possible.

While I would absolutely love that, I also don’t know if I could ever bring myself to hit Isabelle.

Since they made echo fighters a Thing, I have to imagine there are at least one or two more.  Funky Kong and Octoling are the most obvious ones that come to mind.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 15, 2018, 12:47:08 am
While they did introduce the term Echo Fighters, I don't expect them to go too crazy with it.
I'm don't think there'll be any Echos of 3rd parties, or to make a dark version of a character. (To avoid the Dark Pit-esque backlash again.)
I'm not sure how people are deciding whether an Assist is in or not when all they've got to go by is an E3 build which definitely doesn't have everything in it; heck, that Meta Ridley costume featured in Ridley's reveal trailer isn't even in there, nor are the alt colours of Wireframe Mac.
Yeah, but at the same time, a 3rd party franchise having TWO assist trophies is equally weird.
So...does that just mean that Shadow is completely cut?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 15, 2018, 01:59:11 am
Since we'll be having tons of unlockable characters again, I wonder what they'll do in terms of single player modes.
I at least hope Classic mode will be as good as it was in Melee.

Heck, I'd even be content with a 3DS style classic mode. For other single player modes, I'd like the target test to return, event matches that aren't garbage, and an story mode ala Subspace Emissary (though I'm not holding my breath).   

I'm curious, though - they said the existing Figure Player data on our amiibo would be compatible with SSBU, right? What does that mean for custom moves?

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 15, 2018, 03:42:53 am
I'm more curious how it'll carry anything over and still be useful when the characters are all reworked with new gameplay mechanics behind the scenes, if they don't simply have altered moves altogether.  Being a level 50 Link amiibo won't help when it tries to use bombs and gets confused why they need to be remote detonated now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 16, 2018, 05:51:58 pm
I think this thread should be renamed Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 17, 2018, 02:49:33 am
Why is Vega's music in the game? Is his stage in?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 17, 2018, 03:26:36 am
Nah, most likely Yoko Shimomura decided to compose it because she really was proud of her work on that track.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on June 17, 2018, 09:40:33 am
Why is Vega's music in the game? Is his stage in?

Ryu's stage only had like 3 tracks in Smash 4. They're probably adding more tracks to Suzaku Castle and Midgar to make them consistent with the other stages.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 17, 2018, 10:50:22 am
More music on Midgar would be wonderful, but that's up to Square. Maybe some Bravely Default music?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on June 17, 2018, 11:21:11 am
Just popping in to say Snake lost his iconic ass and Capt. Falcon and Ganon lost their glorious bulges. Otherwise an awesome game.

Ok bye.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on June 17, 2018, 01:45:32 pm
I'm fine with more music. But when do we get custom music? I can put my music and anything I want. If some PS4 games can, why not Smash Bros?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 17, 2018, 05:05:53 pm
Was Snake always an ass-man?

Never seem to notice that, or maybe he's just a pervert.
That's how he recognized Meryl.

Heh, the more you know...

Still, I wonder why women didn't slap him for that?

I'm fine with more music. But when do we get custom music? I can put my music and anything I want. If some PS4 games can, why not Smash Bros?

Because then you have to figure out a way to put the music into the system and the only way I saw that the Switch can gain files from a computer is with an SD card.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on June 17, 2018, 05:32:37 pm
Alright, say you only had 5 more newcomers. Who would "You" want to see?

Mine;
- King K. Rool. (DK)
- Dixie Kong. (DK)
- Lip. (Panel De Pon)
- Black Shadow. (F-Zero)
- Isaac or Geno. (Golden Sun/Super Mario RPG)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 17, 2018, 09:37:29 pm
I'm fine with more music. But when do we get custom music? I can put my music and anything I want. If some PS4 games can, why not Smash Bros?
We're not getting custom music anytime soon because:
1. To stop hacking.  There's a reason they've been trying to stop us from loading our own files for the Switch.

2. To give people a reason to buy stage DLC that has their favourite song in it.

You'll just have to wait until the modding scene manages to get their hands on Smash 5.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2018, 10:39:15 pm
There's only one newcomer I'm now looking forward to, and Nintendo themselves let the news slip.

(http://i.imgur.com/2ZIEXsW.jpg)
It's Mr. Saturn's time to get promoted from an item to a playable character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on June 18, 2018, 03:18:28 am
I'm looking forward to all the new music this game will offer. Vega and Wood Man remixes make me want more.
Also, Vergeben (the guy that claims Simon will come) says there's at least six newcomers coming to the game (https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/8k0li1/here_are_some_big_smash_leaks_for_those_that_care/e0pemqo/):
said:
I heard that at minimum, there are at least a half dozen characters still to be revealed. But I don't know who any of them outside of Simon are yet.
Seems reasonable to me. 8 new characters in base game fits with the statement of "don't expect a lot of newcomers."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 18, 2018, 04:01:44 am
I hope to some more soundtracks in there and hopefully include the main themes from the other 4 titles. I'm surprised Vega has a remixed theme for Smash. I wonder if they have one for Bison as well. We got Ken's though despite it's exclusive to Smash Wii U.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 18, 2018, 04:12:20 am
so i guess for each month there'll be one newcomer
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2018, 04:13:23 am
I'm surprised Vega has a remixed theme for Smash. I wonder if they have one for Bison as well. We got Ken's though despite it's exclusive to Smash Wii U.

It's probably because now that Suzaku Castle isn't DLC anymore they can't get away with just a DLC-level amount of music for it.  Or the additional Street Fighter content means that Ken is Ryu's Echo Fighter.

Ooh, that makes me realize that the Great Bay stage means we're gonna get a ton of new arranged Majora's Mask music.  Please give me Stone Tower Temple and Bremen March.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on June 18, 2018, 04:22:34 am
Alright, say you only had 5 more newcomers. Who would "You" want to see?

Mine;
- King K. Rool. (DK)
- Dixie Kong. (DK)
- Lip. (Panel De Pon)
- Black Shadow. (F-Zero)
- Isaac or Geno. (Golden Sun/Super Mario RPG)

Hmm mine would be:

Miles "Tails" Prower (Sonic)
Wreck-It Ralph
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro the Dragon
Agumon (Digimon)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 05:04:56 am
Not that I expect Namco's first choice as a rep to be Digimon, though it would admittingly be kinda cool to see, wouldn't WarGreymon make more sense?  About human sized, like Charizard, more diverse movepool, established rivalry, has something that would work as a Final Smash, is a dragon and dragons make money. (An undeniable truth)

I wouldn't be against Ken showing up either, Ken's awesome and his stage/theme is all the more so, though if anyone else in Street Fighter deserves to show it sure as hell should be Chun-Li.  I just want to see how diverse the echo fighters get from their established bases.  Especially with Ken, seeing how he's evolved into his own being over time and isn't "just" Ryu in red anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2018, 05:15:13 am
I wouldn't expect too much variety from echo fighters.  If we're going off of the basis of Lucina, Dark Pit, and Daisy, they're going to have to be A) Physically similar enough that they can just hang the new model on top of the original characters' rig and animations, and B) Would believably use the exact same moves as the base character.    Villager => Isabelle is the most drastic departure I can see happening, but they'll probably be closer to Olimar => Louie or Bayonetta => Jeanne.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 05:35:36 am
My expectations aren't that high for them to be too different, I just hope there's something more to them than being glorified character skins with their own slots.  All I really ask for is they change the B moves.  Keep the A moves, that's fine and probably preferable for most of them, but as is they're still too similar for my tastes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on June 18, 2018, 06:29:41 am
If anyone else in Street Fighter deserves to show it sure as hell should be Chun-Li.

Chun-Li could become a candidate due to being the first fighting female character in fighting video game history. But then Capcom will hold the bizarre distinction of being 2nd in number of fighting candidates represented by a 3rd party, though somebody will correct me on that statement largely because of the Nintendo IP ID discrepancy. This basically means companies like Creatures/Game Freak (who run the Pokemon franchise) are technically a part of Nintendo, therefore not considered 3rd party. Still, it's weird.

I have a hunch Waluigi's getting in, his fan support is pouring and increasing in volume.

Agree with the crowd on Simon Belmont. Could his Final Smash be the Greatest Five Dual Crush from Portrait Of Ruin?

By the way, GameFAQs had this up in the polls today: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7115-if-you-could-convince-nintendo-to-just-put-one-more
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 18, 2018, 06:48:11 am
I just read some info regarding the assist trophies and noticed that Midna and Ghirahim are among those that can be defeated as well as Lyn. So far only 9 have been confirmed to be totally invulnerable and more than one assist trophy can be summoned now. Guess I'll be doing Smash battles with Assist Trophies, X-Bombs and Smart Bombs.

Not hopeful for Waluigi though cuz the number of fighters we're getting is satisfying enough. If he's doomed as an Assist only so be it, he'll forever be doomed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 18, 2018, 09:33:09 am
Is it wrong that I think Bomberman being an Assist Trophy was the best way to implement him? He lays bombs and runs away, which works perfectly for this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 18, 2018, 10:17:13 am
I wouldn't expect too much variety from echo fighters.  If we're going off of the basis of Lucina, Dark Pit, and Daisy, they're going to have to be A) Physically similar enough that they can just hang the new model on top of the original characters' rig and animations, and B) Would believably use the exact same moves as the base character.    Villager => Isabelle is the most drastic departure I can see happening, but they'll probably be closer to Olimar => Louie or Bayonetta => Jeanne.
So...would you think that Dark Samus and Shadow being Echo Fighters in Smash Bros Ultimate would be plausible (when ignoring certain unwritten "rules", of course and only focus on the two points you mentioned).
Because technically speaking, Shadow was just a Sonic clone in Sonic Adventure 2, and so far, Shadow is completely absent from the game (Knuckles seems to be replacing Shadow as the Assist Trophy character), and not only seems the Dark Samus Assist Trophy to be absent, but also Samus' Dark Samus palette (it got replaced with a brand new palette).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2018, 12:46:05 pm
Conceivably, yeah.  I don't think either of them would be a good idea considering people's reactions to Dark Pit last time, but yes they would be totally plausible echo fighters.

Tails could also work as an echo fighter of Sonic, I think.  They're built more or less the same and all of Sonic's moves are from the Genesis games, where Tails can do everything that he can.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 09:24:21 pm
Is it wrong that I think Bomberman being an Assist Trophy was the best way to implement him? He lays bombs and runs away, which works perfectly for this sort of thing.
I think for what they've done it's as good as it can possibly be as an assist trophy to his character, but with things like Bomberman Quest to draw from, there's so much more they can do to truly make him a full-fledged playable character.  Alas, not this time, it seems.  Shame, I love Bomberman and would love to play as him.

I dunno about Tails, he'd seem even more out of place with Sonic's breakdancing fighting moves pasted on top of him than Shadow would.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on June 18, 2018, 09:31:47 pm
Pretty sure edgy emo fanbase >>>> child furry fanbase.

edit
Sonic's fanbase is cancer. All characters. All games. There is no better side with them...
That is so not the point.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 18, 2018, 10:16:30 pm
Sonic's fanbase is cancer. All characters. All games. There is no better side with them...

Bomberman Hero, Bomberman 93', Generation, Dream Mix T.V., both 64s, Pocket, all 5 Super games, and even the first game all have things that could be used for a complete moveset. I prefer him as an assist if Smash Flash 2 and Crusade is any indication on how he would play though...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 19, 2018, 12:07:30 am
Sonic's fanbase is cancer. All characters. All games. There is no better side with them...
Can you fucking not, stupid?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 19, 2018, 12:21:04 am
I hoping that the echo fighters will have more changes to differentiate them from their originals this time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 12:53:44 am
Just found this compilation of Zelda's new victory poses:

(https://i.imgur.com/4Rm5x48.gif)

I have to say, what they've done with Zelda this time looks great.   Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.  But now she's more expressive and vibrant than she's ever been.

The sheer level of quality of life improvements being made to this game is remarkable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 19, 2018, 01:50:27 am
Tails has the ability to fly while Sonic doesn't. I noticed that Dillon is absent from the lineup of Assist trophies this time. I wonder if they're gonna consider giving him the same treatment they gave Little Mac...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 19, 2018, 03:01:17 am
I'm of two minds with what they did with Zelda.  One the one hand, I enjoy all the various versions of her and what they bring to the table, A Link Between Worlds included.  However, Twilight Princess either ties with Ocarina of Time or otherwise beats it as my favorite iteration of her both for design and story purposes.  And yet, Person Man's totally on the money, they gave her a whole new breath of life with Smash Ultimate.

That said
Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.
...So she was acting like Zelda?  I mean, beyond the times when she's a child, that's kinda her role as ruler.

Zelda here reminds me of the case of Olimar with Alph though, and when they already have the model on hand, why not just offer different skins for the characters?  Mario's got, like, half a dozen now.

So I just had a rather out there idea.  Not much to back it, but just considering that Mr. Saturn they left up on the key artwork for the game.  He seems to be the only out of place character in it, and as funny as it could be to image him upgraded to a full character, I wonder if instead he's a placeholder because there's another Mother character that he's supposed to be with.  Kinda like how before Ridley was announced, the Duck Hunt Dog was just kinda floating in the air, then they changed it online to have Ridley in the picture.

I would suppose then the most logical choice to keep with the protagonist theme would be Ninten, but Mother 1 didn't involve the Mr. Saturns, right?  So I wonder if instead, they're addressing the lack of villains like they did with Ridley, and might go with the Mother series most infamous opponent; Giygas.  Or more fittingly, Giegue, his physical form.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/earthbound/images/1/10/Giygas_In-Battle_Mother.png)
Kinda farfetched, I know, it is just the Pikmin carrying a Mr. Saturn away on there, but just imagining it now, having the psycodelic Giygas background as a stage or even better a Final Smash, I'd totally be down for it.  Could model him up as an echo character after Mewtwo, since plenty have noticed the similarities in the past.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 03:52:40 am
Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.
...So she was acting like Zelda?  I mean, beyond the times when she's a child, that's kinda her role as ruler.
I just mean she always looked so bored.  Even the ultra-serious type characters like Samus or Marth at least looked like they were enjoying themselves.  Zelda always looked bored out of her skull before now.



Quote
So I just had a rather out there idea.  Not much to back it, but just considering that Mr. Saturn they left up on the key artwork for the game.  He seems to be the only out of place character in it, and as funny as it could be to image him upgraded to a full character, I wonder if instead he's a placeholder because there's another Mother character that he's supposed to be with.  Kinda like how before Ridley was announced, the Duck Hunt Dog was just kinda floating in the air, then they changed it online to have Ridley in the picture.

I would suppose then the most logical choice to keep with the protagonist theme would be Ninten, but Mother 1 didn't involve the Mr. Saturns, right?  So I wonder if instead, they're addressing the lack of villains like they did with Ridley, and might go with the Mother series most infamous opponent; Giygas.  Or more fittingly, Giegue, his physical form.

Kinda farfetched, I know, but just imagining it now, having the psycodelic Giygas background as a stage, I'd totally be down for it.  Could model him up as an echo character after Mewtwo, since plenty have noticed the similarities in the past.


Much as I'd love another Mother character, I think it's supposed to be a joke that the pikmin are mistaking Mr. Saturn for Olimar because of its bald head and big nose.

But now that you mention it holy shit what I wouldn't give for a Cave of the Past stage with the Giygas battle theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdx8MTi1tU) as the BGM.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 19, 2018, 04:00:39 am
I kinda imagine Zelda would be bored, being the surrogate of Wisdom itself, knowing all.  I dunno, seemed in character to me.


And yeah, I edited my post before you finished.  I figured it could just boil down to that, a sight gag at the Pikmin carrying something similar to Olimar.  But we got months to theorize and I'm throwing my ballot into the ring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on June 19, 2018, 04:05:09 am
Yeah, so apparently this is happening.

(https://i.redditmedia.com/RnTBpdnnPZKOHBdIV-TwYe0SW9QhsCRAiE1-XXpJIxI.jpg?s=298369a3371bcf7fd4d42693fa1c266a)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on June 19, 2018, 04:31:10 am
How much of the Waluigi sperging we've seen in the last few days is just memes and how much is genuine fanboyism?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 19, 2018, 04:37:16 am
Alright, say you only had 5 more newcomers. Who would "You" want to see?

Mine;
- King K. Rool. (DK)
- Dixie Kong. (DK)
- Lip. (Panel De Pon)
- Black Shadow. (F-Zero)
- Isaac or Geno. (Golden Sun/Super Mario RPG)

here's mine:

any gen 7 pokemon capable of being playable, like decidueye
simon belmont
crash bandicoot
any other member of the kong family like dixie kong
any digimon like renamon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 04:41:28 am
How much of the Waluigi sperging we've seen in the last few days is just memes and how much is genuine fanboyism?

I'd put it at maybe 80/20 in favor of memes.

It's a cold and it's a broken Wah-llelujah.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 19, 2018, 04:50:15 am

This is how you get Sakurai to NOT WANT to put him in the game.
I feel sorry for the tame Waluigi fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Retro Respecter on June 19, 2018, 05:05:03 am
Blast it all! Seeing Princess Zelda from The Legends of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds makes me pant after her Lorule counterpart, Princess Hilda.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 19, 2018, 05:06:52 am
Yeah, so apparently this is happening.

(https://i.redditmedia.com/RnTBpdnnPZKOHBdIV-TwYe0SW9QhsCRAiE1-XXpJIxI.jpg?s=298369a3371bcf7fd4d42693fa1c266a)

Man, and I thought those Ridley fans are bad. This is nuts.

Although, did something like this happens the last time there is a Smash game in the works?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 19, 2018, 08:29:37 am
Just found this compilation of Zelda's new victory poses:

I have to say, what they've done with Zelda this time looks great.   Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.  But now she's more expressive and vibrant than she's ever been.

The sheer level of quality of life improvements being made to this game is remarkable.

I'm just hoping Zelda is actually viable now because she's a fun character to use until you remember that her recovery move is stupid punishable if you don't immediately grab a ledge and Side-B puts her in a helpless fall state for some reason.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on June 19, 2018, 11:47:40 am
Gee, again with this Waluigi as assist BS...
Just be glad that he's in the game and you can knock these assists down. When I saw that moment and I wasn't surprised on that. Good thing that his hands aren't blocky anymore he had in Brawl and Wii U/3DS. All I can say is this:
Once a Assist Trophy, always a Assist Trophy.

Previously on Smash Bros Wii U/3DS
Seadragon77 said:
Another thread is about how the pic of the day made his little brother cry. I shit you not.

I bet he's crying again.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 01:20:20 pm
Today's blog post about the black hole item has what looks like the new Final Destination in it as well:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/img/29_3_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/img/29_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 19, 2018, 07:44:25 pm
Fox is edging to destroy his opponents. And seriously, these Waluigi fans need to stop their bullshit. That shows how ungrateful they are despite all the fighters returning. If I was to meet a hardcore Waluigi fan in real life, I'll never associate myself with them because they'll go mad quick.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 19, 2018, 08:20:53 pm
Once a Assist Trophy, always a Assist Trophy.
Little Mac, Charzard (A Pokeball unit, but still.)

I'm just hoping Zelda is actually viable now because she's a fun character to use until you remember that her recovery move is stupid punishable if you don't immediately grab a ledge and Side-B puts her in a helpless fall state for some reason.
We have plenty of viable characters with punishable recoveries if they dungoof it.  That hasn't stopped them from climbing sets in tournaments.
Also, Din's Fire no longer puts her in helpless, among other buffs.  I'd say she's definitely looking better here than she did in previous games.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Sheng Long on June 19, 2018, 09:01:30 pm
So.... The reason ppl keep spamming Sakurai's account is because fans want Waluigi as a playable character, now that they finally got Ridley? Wasn't Waluigi an assist trophy, or something?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 19, 2018, 09:13:42 pm
No, they’re doing it because they’re fucking memers who think they’re being funny.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on June 20, 2018, 01:01:28 am
No, they’re doing it because they’re fucking memers who think they’re being funny.

I never saw this as funny in the first place. Plus where is is his own game? It’s important to have your own game (just like Wario did)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 20, 2018, 01:04:11 am
I'm just hoping Zelda is actually viable now because she's a fun character to use until you remember that her recovery move is stupid punishable if you don't immediately grab a ledge and Side-B puts her in a helpless fall state for some reason.
Testers confirmed that she no longer has the Side-B fall state and can act after it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2018, 03:06:07 am
Aw man, I just saw Link kept his Fierce Deity palette.  Normally, I'd be all for that, but with Young Link, I was hoping he would incorporate that into his Final Smash, and I doubt they'll reuse the reference.  Hoping otherwise, though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 20, 2018, 07:38:48 am
We have plenty of viable characters with punishable recoveries if they dungoof it.  That hasn't stopped them from climbing sets in tournaments.
Also, Din's Fire no longer puts her in helpless, among other buffs.  I'd say she's definitely looking better here than she did in previous games.
Zelda was a special kind of stupid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 20, 2018, 07:53:03 am
Now that you mention it, I do remember Zelda's Farore's Wind having a lot more problems beyond being punishable.
Well then, let's hope that her Up-B getting improved is among one of the buffs she'll get.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 20, 2018, 08:09:22 am
You couldn't even move side to side after it until a long time. It gave a new meaning to being in a helpless state.
Din's fire had no reason to go into helpless.

Glad these buffs are finally in. She deserved them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 20, 2018, 09:40:53 am
On the subject of teleport recoveries, here's to hoping Mewtwo's doesn't have that weird recoil to it where he bounces off the stage instead of grabbing the ledge.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 20, 2018, 12:54:01 pm
New screenshots of Bomberman on today's blog.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

There's also a preview of Bomb Rush Blush from Splatoon on the music section (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html) now too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 20, 2018, 01:11:37 pm
wow bomberman can plant time bombs now. that's neat

i see that the bomb's power is max which is 9
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 20, 2018, 01:54:47 pm
Anyway... I still don't understand why most Waluigi fans wants him playable?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Yagoshi300 on June 20, 2018, 05:50:46 pm
Anyway... I still don't understand why most Waluigi fans wants him playable?

Same excuse as Melee Fox Players
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 20, 2018, 05:52:06 pm
wat
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 20, 2018, 07:42:01 pm
I echo fighter this wat.

People want Waluigi in this game for memes, or because they genuinely like Waluigi as a character and would thus want to play as him in a title as popular as this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 21, 2018, 01:07:26 am
Anyway... I still don't understand why most Waluigi fans wants him playable?

Why not? He is a good character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 21, 2018, 01:15:58 am
He's nothing, that's the problem.  He's just a party game filler character with nothing particularly noteworthy about him that's not an in-joke invented by fans.  Granted, Daisy's not much better these days but at least she had Super Mario Land.  I think fans place a lot more importance on him than Nintendo themselves do.  If Nintendo won't even bother putting Waluigi in any of the two separate Wario-centric franchises they have, then he's got no business being in Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 21, 2018, 03:04:25 am
sheik has a different final smash, where he starts pulling a knife out, too bad i don't get to see it fully
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 21, 2018, 03:30:14 am
I think fans place a lot more importance on him than Nintendo themselves do.
That's a given at this point.

I'm not really committed one way or another with Waluigi.  I would like it if they just got to finish the pairing off, since Wario got it, regardless of how valuable Waluigi is or is not to the series.  At the same time...yeah, he's a blank purple and black slate pretty much.  Unless we get a surprise out of Mario Tennis Aces and it's actually his game that the story's about.  Which would be neat, and actually give some foundation to include him in Smash, if rather flimsy if the game's not even named after him.

I just checked out the Smash music preview site, and boy that Brinstar Depth cover....has well tuned instruments.  I dunno, it doesn't feel like the right direction to go covering it, it's just not doing anything for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 21, 2018, 04:08:08 am
I think fans place a lot more importance on him than Nintendo themselves do.
That's a given at this point.

I'm not really committed one way or another with Waluigi.  I would like it if they just got to finish the pairing off, since Wario got it, regardless of how valuable Waluigi is or is not to the series.  At the same time...yeah, he's a blank purple and black slate pretty much.  Unless we get a surprise out of Mario Tennis Aces and it's actually his game that the story's about.  Which would be neat, and actually give some foundation to include him in Smash, if rather flimsy if the game's not even named after him.

I just checked out the Smash music preview site, and boy that Brinstar Depth cover....has well tuned instruments.  I dunno, it doesn't feel like the right direction to go covering it, it's just not doing anything for me.

the original brinstar depths track from melee always give me goosebumps whenever i hear that track

the new version doesn't and it's way more awesome to listen to than the original
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 21, 2018, 12:29:39 pm
There's also a preview of Bomb Rush Blush from Splatoon on the music section (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html) now too.
Oh, hi there, Tomoya Ohtani.
How long until he also jumps ship from Sega to Nintendo like the Unleashed and Generations guys?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 22, 2018, 03:26:56 am
Nothing particularly special in today's blog update.  Just a quick highlight of Link.  There is one bit about how they've tweaked his neutral b;  Arrows that fail to hit an enemy can be picked up, like in BotW.

With all these changes they're making to base Link, and since his two clones have different movesets, I'm kinda wondering if they'd make an echo fighter with his original toolkit for the players who mained him before.  Maybe Linkle?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 22, 2018, 03:35:28 am
Linkle didn't get a sword, did she?  Maybe I'm remembering Hyrule Warriors wrong, been a while since I booted up my Wii U, but she had crossbows and, uh, shoes.

I suggested a while ago when the original teaser trailer dropped, but I think it would be neat if they keep Breath of the Wild's version named Link, since he actually is referred to as such in-canon, and a replacement for the previous playstyle be the OoT version called Hero of Time.  Except back then, we had no idea about Young Link being in, who IS the Hero of Time, so....Twilight Princess Hero of Twilight version, then?  Got the model from Smash 4 already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 22, 2018, 03:52:40 am
She didn't, but Sakurai's made weirder clones work.  The important thing is that it wouldn't look out of place for Linkle to be using Link's moves, even if she never used them before Smash.

Before someone else calls it out, I should probably clarify that I don't necessarily want a 4th Link variation;  I'm just spitballing a hypothetical.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lunchbillion on June 22, 2018, 02:14:42 pm
so....Twilight Princess Hero of Twilight version, then?  Got the model from Smash 4 already.

Oof, no thanks. Link's model in Smash 4 is awful :jackie:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 23, 2018, 01:25:25 am
...It was?  You would be the first to my recollection that had any dispute with it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: morbidjoe on June 23, 2018, 02:07:31 am
Wondering if there going to add geno or just use a mii fighter version again, and maybe bubsy just to piss a few people off jk, maybe they'll add another fire emblem character they always usually do add one to the roster in each smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 23, 2018, 04:29:35 am
They actually have more of a habit of adding more than a single individual Fire Emblem character, only adding one when it came to Brawl and Ike.  I would imagine it that they spent their chance for this game too early however with Corrin, especially as Sakurai mentioned how he proposed this new Smash in the middle of the DLC last game, so the work cycle to them already had a new fighter to them.  As for if that was the best move in the long run, since I'm not a fan of the series to begin with but I heard dwindling returns from the series after the Ike game revived it and Corrin's game was mediocre....well, it's already said and done, Corrin's done and in.  But I don't take much stock in a brand new Fire Emblem character in this game's base roster.  DLC however is another deal, at which point I'm sure there will be talks about the Switch Fire Emblem character(s) showing up.

Geno probably has his highest probability chance of showing up now than before, since we know Nintendo kept their ties to Square with Cloud showing up, people still requesting the guy rather highly with Sakurai desiring the character as well, and with the likes of Ridley getting in and their willingness to put in the effort to make such an unusual request fulfilled.  Yeah, different scenarios between the two character, just saying I would not be surprised if Geno's among the few newcomers still to be shown this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 23, 2018, 02:34:06 pm


Neat little fanmade thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 23, 2018, 03:53:34 pm
Weren't the Chorus Kids originally planed for Sm4sh?  They were in one of the old leaks along with Shulk and Palutena.  Since this one's being built on the bones of the Wii U version, maybe Sakurai will finish them up.

Man, I'd kill for there even to be just a Rhythm Heaven stage, just for all of the incredible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bgjClLrzDQ) music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8YUoKCdQoY) they'd get to put in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 25, 2018, 02:07:28 pm
I'd kill even more for at least a Panel de Pon stage. Also, DasVergeben's leak better be real, because I want Simon Belmont to complete the Captain N assemble.
Also, I'd love Rex & Pyra from Xenoblade 2 or Spring Man from ARMS or Tapu Koko from Pokémon Sun/Moon.
And please, at least bring back Isaac from Golden Sun as an assist trophy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on June 25, 2018, 02:50:31 pm
Yeah, ANYTHING Panel De Pon would be amazing! Lip is my second most wanted character.

Also, here is a video with her on second place. I think this guy got some good views.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 26, 2018, 06:10:56 am
I have a question that might be controversial:

Does anyone think that Super Smash Bros Ultimate is getting to the point of having too many characters (as absurd the idea is)? I meant, I have been told that this game will have the highest amount of characters in its roaster of any fighting game barring some MUGEN collections. This sounds nice, but who would have time to play all of them? I fear that, to many people, having a bigger roaster just means having a bigger pool of punching bags to choose from while they main a half dozen characters at most. There's also a balance issue that will arise with a roaster this big. Balance is not as big of a concern with MUGEN, but it will be relevant for Smash, especially with its meta scene being highly competitive. I estimate that there will be many balance changes over the life-span of the game...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 26, 2018, 06:23:06 am
I don’t really a see it as a problem. Balancing will always be an issue, but I don’t think having this many characters is overwhelming. Besides, it’s not like Sakurai is just going throw all of these characters on people’s faces, you pretty much have to unlock 75% of the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:29:08 am
...Why spoil the whole roster if we still have to unlock them?

Also, since when is having a tong of punching bags a bad thing? I stock my Mugen like that as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 26, 2018, 06:31:50 am
This concern had been voiced previously by others during the Smash 4 era.

On the idea that players likely won't be playing every character, I'd say that's completely fine.  There will be characters with playstyles that turn some players off from them while there be a set of other characters with playstyles that "speak to them" (and may even exclusively play only them).  This is present in other fighting games to, especially in ones where learning a new character is much more difficult.  A player won't always play every character, but more characters means they get to experience a lot more different match-ups.

Balance is definitely an important factor though.  More characters with different kits means more match ups that need to be considered and balanced.  But I think this issue will always be present in fighting games.  I think as long as the dev team keeps on top of tournament results, they make balance changes throughout Smash 5's lifetime.  (I specifically say tournament results, and not all balance feedback in general because I genuinely don't want them to be listening to "balance" feedback from the general public.  They sorta did that for Smash 4, and we all know how that turned out for characters like Little Mac.)

On a side note, I'd love it if Lip gets in as a playable character.  I've been starved for a new Puzzle League/Panel de Pon game and I'm convinced that Lip getting into Smash would be the only way it could happen... But I've long accepted that she's not getting in.  If Takamaru was rejected for being to obscure to the West, there's no way Lip could pass that test.  That's why I've pretty much stopped caring what newcomers get in... or even how many.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2018, 06:34:59 am
Not at all.  You mistake the size of the roster to proclaim that you, as per some requirement, are to play them all.  I think it's fine Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem fans got something last game to talk about, but beyond Marth and Roy initially, I haven't touched any of them at all.  I mean, of the current 68 character roster, 18 of them I simply have no desire to play nor do I plan to.  You are allowed to simply just do you.  More additions however allow greater variety and more fresh faces to attract other fandoms in.

Worrying about balance is why they have a team there specifically there to worry about it.  They get fan feedback consistently as we saw with Smash 4, and are able to send out patches easily with everything just being online now to tweak things around.  This isn't a small team of amateurs working on this after all.  And expecting patches is not a bad thing.  Arguably, it's a good thing for the company and fans, giving them more to work on and keeping them in work, while altering the game so it's just right for the players.

In short, chill.  Anything clearly broken will be dealt with, otherwise they know what they're doing.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:40:04 am
Lucky, you only have 18 you don't want, and I got no one to use in this game.

They killed Mario off, and gave him the Wedding costume, and he still has FLUDD and his Brawl voice. Kirby looks greatly buffed. Perhaps there's that, but he dies too fast...

Also "they know what they're doing"? Uh, Cloud, Bayonetta, Pac-Man, and Falco.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2018, 06:42:56 am
Dude, don't care about the actual stats.  It's a party game masquerading as a fighting game, with enough going for it that it can pass as one when some rules are set down.  Pick a character you like.  I do doubt you do not like a single character in Nintendo's vast, broad history.  And I get being miffed at some design aspects, we were talking before about Zelda being swapped to A Link Between Worlds/A Link To The Past, and how somehow Nintendo still doesn't want to move on from Other M to represent Metroid, but they're still the characters you enjoy there.

If I cared about stats or ranking or that nonsense, I wouldn't be revisiting Smash Wii U currently trying to figure out how Duck Hunt even works so I can play him in Ultimate.

Also "they know what they're doing"? Uh, Cloud, Bayonetta, Pac-Man, and Falco.
Elaborate what you're even talking about, or you're just talking gibberish.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:49:43 am
I mean, I like Mario. But he doesn't Cap Throw as an attack, he doesn't Ground Pound, he generally doesn't jump like he does in the games... So it's pretty much not Mario. And he's the only Nintendo series I still enjoy to this day, I've moved onto Mugen characters otherwise.

Also, Cloud and Bayonetta = Extremely broken.

Pac-Man = So glitchy it feels like he's a character from Smash Flash 1.

Falco = Bottom tier and underpowered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 26, 2018, 06:53:25 am
Have you not seen the Cloud and Bayo nerfs in 5?  (Granted Bayo looks like she might still be a problem atm, but seems like the team's working on it.)

What do you mean by Pac Man being glitchy?  The only thing that could possibly be considered a "glitch" at this point is his worthless grab, which has gotten buffs in 5.  Any actual glitch got fixed through patches.

The other changes we've seen in Smash 5 so far seems promising in regards to character buffs. 

If I cared about stats or ranking or that nonsense, I wouldn't be revisiting Smash Wii U currently trying to figure out how Duck Hunt even works so I can play him in Ultimate.

It's fine to play competitively while still running a character you enjoy, even if they're not that good.  Choosing a top tier character is dandy and all, but unless one's striving to compete on ZeRo's level, they might not enjoy the game as much compared to if they'd play a character they truely enjoy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:59:56 am
Nah. Didn't look at their reveals at all. Pac was just poorly made in general in 4, especially going by what modders have said looking at his data...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 26, 2018, 07:01:59 am
Any specific examples for Pac Man?
The only thing that I can think of that's outright awfully made is his grab.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 07:14:06 am
They had said his frame data, specifically his aerials, and hitboxes, like his side-special... His Final Smash was terrible in 4. His smash attacks were weak and slow, that old up-tilt was awful, thankfully they... Made it an uppercut by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 26, 2018, 07:18:09 am
I wouldn't take him seriously. He has a history of not making any sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2018, 07:23:05 am
I reiterate.
Dude, don't care about the actual stats.  It's a party game masquerading as a fighting game, with enough going for it that it can pass as one when some rules are set down.  Pick a character you like.
Seriously, if the worst you can place on Mario is that his jump is not frame-for-frame perfect to Super Mario games and that he doesn't carry over possession-based abilities from Odyssey, which would clearly be broken, you're looking at the game wrong.  He looks like Mario, he acts like Mario, it's Mario.  You even got a Doctor variant for previous Smash players.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 07:38:04 am
My main issue with Mario in Smash is FLUDD and Mario Finale. The rest was just nitpicking, even by my standards. Yes, I can just turn off Smash Balls and not press Down-B, but that doesn't mean they're not there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 26, 2018, 11:00:00 am
But what is your issue with those moves? FLUDD may have only appeared as an integral character in one game, but it at least gives him something unique over Luigi and Dr. Mario's lariats, plus it has its use as a pretty good edgeguarding tool (though maybe less so in Ultimate with the (re)introduction of directional air dodges). If your issue with Mario Finale is that Mario has never used such in his games, the same can be said for a fair few Final Smashes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 26, 2018, 12:41:51 pm
Pac was just poorly made in general in 4, especially going by what modders have said looking at his data...

So this isn't an opinion you arrived at yourself, you're just parroting what you heard other people say about frame data and are passing it off as if you know what you're talking about?  Gotcha.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 09:51:49 pm
Technically, I figured it out by how lacking in aerial tools or power he is. Some consider it an intentional weakness, but he doesn't even have a "true" spike or anything that sends the opponent downwards aside from one custom and one part of that silly trampoline.

I never liked FLUDD because Brawl was my first Smash game. And there, FLUDD was completely worthless. You could clash with the water, effectively ruining it's only intended purpose. I never got used to it in 4, it always felt too whack and "dirty". My main issue with Mario Finale is, again, it was worthless in Brawl. It's much easier to get used to unlike FLUDD though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on June 26, 2018, 10:24:03 pm
Sounds like all your complaints about this game are based on a completely different game from ten years ago.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 10:31:07 pm
Eh, good point. Now that I know what Pac-Man does, I have nothing to lose from trying this out on it's own merits, I suppose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 26, 2018, 11:21:05 pm
I have no trouble with the large number of characters in a fighting game. Sure I have favorites but it really doesn't hurt to give every available fighter a try and that's what I like to do in Smash, thanks to the Random option. It allowed me to experience how the character fights and how to unleash their potential in the best of my ability as possible.

@MR. IBZS II 
Now I don't understand the issue you have with some fighters just because they don't have stuff brought over from their games. So what if Mario can't damage enemies by simply jumping on them or throwing Cappy to control someone (which will be super broken by Smash standards). It's pretty cool to see that Mario and Luigi can actually fire a fireball WITHOUT the help of a Fire Flower. As for Mario Finale, it's quite unique to Mario cuz you don't see him doing the cool moves he does in Smash in the other games, do you?

I don't know about Cloud but I think Bayo won't be able to be as broken in Ultimate as she was in 4 cuz I read what possible nerfs were done on her regarding her combo tactics. Also noticed Fox might've been nerfed as well since his Dtilt and Ground Fox Illusion have more end lag, leaving him more open if he misses or gets blocked. Fox's my main in 4 and he'll be my main in Ultimate until I unlock Wolf.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 26, 2018, 11:57:01 pm
Bayo's definitely getting nerfed.  During the invitational one of the players literally carried the opponent to the blast zone at the top of the screen with a single combo and Sakurai shook his head and just said "this isn't the final build."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 27, 2018, 02:22:07 am
Top players who got to play Ultimate at E3 have gone as far as saying Cloud is now bad, if that means anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 27, 2018, 03:11:47 am
New music track, Noisy Notebook from Snipperclips:

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 27, 2018, 09:40:13 am
Ayy. I've never played it, but it's nice to see it get some representation in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 27, 2018, 11:54:38 pm
There's also some new screenshots of the Sukapon assist trophy

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 28, 2018, 12:17:00 am
i've never heard of sukapon until i've looked it up and he's from the famicom game called joy mech fight, it's fighting game where you play as 8 robots and according to sukapon, he's the comedy robot, he once appeared as a sticker in brawl and both the menu and character select theme are part of the famicom medley theme from brawl as well
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2018, 01:23:17 am
Solgaleo and Lunala pokeballs:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 29, 2018, 01:57:23 am
they got the cosmic duo in on this
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 30, 2018, 12:00:23 am
There's a new blog post, but it doesn't really cover anything we don't already know.

Quote
6/28/2018
Today's Fighter
#02: Donkey Kong
His charged punch is one of the strongest attacks in the game! In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, his Final Smash has been updated from Konga Beat to a flurry of punches!

So instead, here's a much more important news update from today; a new Waluigi song.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 30, 2018, 12:40:12 am
Brawl in the Family's version of Waluigi is objectively the best version.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 30, 2018, 02:01:43 am
Brawl in the Family's version of Waluigi is objectively the best version.

Wrong. Mario Strikers Charged Waluigi is the best version... only because he does the crotch chop. Other then that, he's better served being a whipping boy for the Mario cast.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 30, 2018, 02:15:45 am
There's a new blog post, but it doesn't really cover anything we don't already know.

[quote ]6/28/2018
Today's Fighter
#02: Donkey Kong
His charged punch is one of the strongest attacks in the game! In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, his Final Smash has been updated from Konga Beat to a flurry of punches!

yes you heard that right, donkey kong's final smash here is clearly ripping off star platinum's ora ora punches from stardust crusaders

same goes for little mac of course
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 30, 2018, 04:01:10 am
Bayo's definitely getting nerfed.  During the invitational one of the players literally carried the opponent to the blast zone at the top of the screen with a single combo and Sakurai shook his head and just said "this isn't the final build."

Was that the one with Bayonetta and Ridley? That was a hard one to watch.  :jackie:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 01, 2018, 01:34:18 pm
yes you heard that right, donkey kong's final smash here is clearly ripping off star platinum's ora ora punches from stardust crusaders

I'm fairly certain that Donkey Kong's Final Smash is inspired from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 01, 2018, 03:06:38 pm
yes you heard that right, donkey kong's final smash here is clearly ripping off star platinum's ora ora punches from stardust crusaders

same goes for little mac of course
No.
Just...NO!
I won't even tell you WHAT you did wrong, because what you did wrong should be pretty fucking obvious, and if you don't know what you did wrong, then honestly, I don't think you even have a brain!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 02, 2018, 01:22:44 am
Donkey Kong's Final Smash is based off his finishing move from Jungle Beat and they changed Little Mac's to just an auto-combo since it's been long confirmed transformation Final Smashes no longer allow control till the Final Smash's over.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 02, 2018, 01:35:11 am
Shoulda used Rambi like Crusade did.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 02, 2018, 02:13:33 am
Stop bringing up random obscure fan games like they actually matter to Smash Ultimate's development.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 02, 2018, 03:43:53 am
I'm fairly certain that Donkey Kong's Final Smash is inspired from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

They shoulda based it on the beatdowns he gives the bosses in Returns and Tropical Freeze.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 02, 2018, 04:46:40 am
I'm fairly certain that Donkey Kong's Final Smash is inspired from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

They shoulda based it on the beatdowns he gives the bosses in Returns and Tropical Freeze.



the one where you rapidly push buttons to finish bosses? yeah it would've been better
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 02, 2018, 05:17:03 am
Stop bringing up random obscure fan games like they actually matter to Smash Ultimate's development.

The subject was supposed to be Rambi FS, my bad...

That beatdown idea is real cool. Mash buttons enough and maybe it can instakill enemies like Bayonetta's FS? I can't believe I like the Kongo Bongos now...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 02, 2018, 10:22:10 am
Stop bringing up random obscure fan games like they actually matter to Smash Ultimate's development.

The subject was supposed to be Rambi FS, my bad...

That beatdown idea is real cool. Mash buttons enough and maybe it can instakill enemies like Bayonetta's FS? I can't believe I like the Kongo Bongos now...
a Rambi Final Smash would be neat, but NOT like how Super Trash Bros Crusade did.
Especially considering how Smash Bros Ultimate removes all transformation Final Smashes.
So...if it was a Rambi Final Smash, it would be just Donkey Kong riding on Rambi and automatically charging forward across the screen, launching anyone hit by Rambi, before returning to the starting position.
In other words, Ganondorf's Final Smash, but with a smaller hitbox (and maybe greater damage output and launch power or a faster charge forward to compensate).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 02, 2018, 11:36:34 pm
Nipples the Enchilada assist trophy:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/48_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/48_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2018, 11:42:38 pm
Smash Bros. Ultimate blog & Knuckles would have been better.

Wow, his hands viewed directly face forward look...weird..  I don't even know how to describe it, other than N64 block-ish?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 03, 2018, 04:23:22 am
So he basically replaces the Little Mac assist? I still have nightmares of Brawl assist Mac...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 03, 2018, 04:50:34 am
except Knuckles can be KO'd.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 03, 2018, 05:25:22 am
Technically, Little Mac can too.

Can you beat Sukapon, Midna, the Pac-Man ghosts, and Pong? Pong was the worst offender in the bunch. And that teleporting guy who can reflect projectiles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 03, 2018, 09:35:50 am
One of the character gameplay previews showed Sukapon getting GRABBED and THROWN by Rob.  It's actually pretty impressive with the work they're putting into assists this time around.

I honestly kinda wish we could attack some of the Pokemon too.  Some of the newer ones in Smash 4 basically behaved like glorified assist trophies.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 03, 2018, 02:51:28 pm
I mean...Pokéball Pokémon were always kinda like assist trophies, but limited to Pokémon only
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 12:02:10 am
There are a whole bunch of assist trophies that can be KO'd such as Lyn, Knuckles, Krystal, Sukapon, Hammer Bro and Samurai Goroh. Of course, some like the Nintendogs, Andross, Jeff, the Pac-Man Ghosts and Riki can't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 04, 2018, 12:10:07 am
Why can't you defeat the ghosts? Ugggh... Or reflect Andross' tiles? Or stop Jeff since his missiles are a bit much? I'm allowed to hit Duck Hunt, why can't I hit the Nintendog? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 12:27:15 am
The Nintendogs block the screen during the fight, and the Pac-Man ghosts aren't hittable like their game of origin and there's no Power Pellet for you to strike them down with. Andross goes to the back of the stage and shoots projectiles so I don't know if they could be deflected. Not sure if Jeff's missiles could be deflected.
Also, why would you hit a real-life replica of a dog?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 04, 2018, 12:30:27 am
Well obviously he's a cat person.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 04, 2018, 12:34:15 am
Now they want to be accurate to games? Pac-Man's Side-B couldn't eat the ghosts in 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 04, 2018, 01:49:02 am
Why can't you defeat the ghosts? Ugggh... Or reflect Andross' tiles? Or stop Jeff since his missiles are a bit much? I'm allowed to hit Duck Hunt, why can't I hit the Nintendog? Sheesh.

Nintendogs being attackable would immediately make them the worst assist trophy.  Imagine them getting bullied by other players with their huge ass hitbox, and losing a stock. (Yes, they've said on stream that KO'd assists give points and TAKES STOCKS.)

Honestly, other than the ghosts, the assist trophies you've mentioned are hardly a problem.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 03:25:22 am
Wait... you mean if you're playing stock matches and if your assist striker gets killed... YOU LOSE A LIFE!? So what will happen if you have only 1 life left and your assist striker gets killed, you die with them!?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 04, 2018, 03:30:58 am
Why can't you defeat the ghosts? Ugggh... Or reflect Andross' tiles? Or stop Jeff since his missiles are a bit much? I'm allowed to hit Duck Hunt, why can't I hit the Nintendog? Sheesh.
The distinction seems to be that assist trophies that linger on the field and run around fighting like Takamaru, Midna, and Waluigi can be attacked and killed, but ones that only do one attack/effect like Jeff and Riki, or stay in the background without directly entering the fight like Andross and the Squid Sisters can’t.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 03:44:04 am
This could mean Rodin can be killed too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on July 04, 2018, 09:10:03 am
Sounds like the Ballot was rigged. This is actually shocking news!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on July 04, 2018, 10:02:29 am
does it really matter at this point
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 04, 2018, 10:09:22 am
No, no it really doesn't.

There's actually a YouTube video with "all" (read: most) of the victory animations from the demo crew. Kind of impressive actually.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 04, 2018, 10:53:43 am
Sorry, but THIS is the REAL news:

Man, I got hard in a second!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 04, 2018, 02:43:02 pm
Oh hey, Noriyuki Idaware.  He's done a lot of music for the Ace Attorney series. 

There's also a spotlight on the Melee Kongo Jungle stage, which has apparently been renamed Kongo Falls:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/52_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/52_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 04, 2018, 03:43:03 pm
I love how good that stage looks. I guess I kinda get the reasoning for changing the name, but it drives my OCD up the wall.

Oh, and they better give us the full version of the DK Rap again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on July 05, 2018, 12:43:06 am
I love how good that stage looks. I guess I kinda get the reasoning for changing the name, but it drives my OCD up the wall.

Oh, and they better give us the full version of the DK Rap again.

God please do!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 04:47:07 am
Nintendo Versus on Twitter dropped a couple of screenshots of Krystal's assist trophy -

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhR5v-nWAAAecbC.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhR5whyW4AAPacx.jpg)

TBH, I am a little disappointed that Krystal is an assist trophy.  Not necessarily because I wanted to see her playable, but because now that Star Fox 2 has been officially released I was kind of hoping that Miyu and Faye would show up as the new Star Fox assists.

At least she gets to actually show up in a new game.  Nintendo seem so dead set on only ever remaking the same Star Fox game over and over and over again that who knows when we'll actually get a proper sequel for her to be in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 05, 2018, 05:58:23 am
I was honestly under the impression that Nintendo was trying to forget about her.  It made sense that she wasn't in Zero, but she was completely absent in the Orbital Gate stage in Smash 4.  Seeing her in the trailers kinda surprised me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 05, 2018, 09:45:00 am
I thought Krystal appeared in one of the Orbital Gate easter eggs.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 05, 2018, 12:03:52 pm
I love how good that stage looks. I guess I kinda get the reasoning for changing the name, but it drives my OCD up the wall.

Oh, and they better give us the full version of the DK Rap again.
Considering the E3 demo had the shortened version AGAIN, I highly doubt that will happen :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 05, 2018, 02:02:45 pm
At least she gets to actually show up in a new game.  Nintendo seem so dead set on only ever remaking the same Star Fox game over and over and over again that who knows when we'll actually get a proper sequel for her to be in.

To be fair, people didn't like Star Fox Adventures for too much "Zelda feel" or that one Jon Tron video, and Star Fox Assault for going making Fox, once again battle on the ground and being too short and/or no other hidden paths like the past games. (I liked both games just fine, except that one segment where I forgot about the Mary Canary technique in Banjo-Tooie.)

Edit: Also, screw Panther. Screw him hard.

I thought Krystal appeared in one of the Orbital Gate easter eggs.

You are correct.



Starting at 0:45.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 04:14:30 pm
It’s not so much about whether or not people liked Adventures or Assault, it’s that they keep just doing the exact same game.   Not counting 2, there have been seven Star Fox games.  Of those seven, four of them are different versions of the same game.  64 was a remake of the SNES original, and then they remade that for 3DS.  Then Zero was a reboot, which again was just the exact same story and procession as the original.  Adventures, Assault, and Command are the only Star Fox games that actually progress the story in any way.

Also you shut your mouth about Panther.  He’s the greatest.  Loads better than that whiny Oikonny asshole.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 05, 2018, 04:36:02 pm
Also you shut your mouth about Panther.  He’s the greatest.  Loads better than that whiny Oikonny asshole.

I haven't played Command, so I can't really speak for that. But, if we're talking Assault, I like Panther's design, first time seeing him. What I don't like is his personality, which can be summed up in the first encounter. "Let me take down this one person in this group of people that my boss hates so much. Wait? That's a woman? Let me flirt with her constantly." Though, I will admit, Andrew was dumb in that game too, though he did get his "UNCLE ANDROSS!" in.

Edit: Maybe my hate is justified on the fact that there's no 4th member of the group, like Pigma. If he had stayed on the team in that, and Oikonny would've been the one that got corrupted by the Aparoids in that game, then maybe I'd like him more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 05, 2018, 06:41:02 pm
I thought Krystal appeared in one of the Orbital Gate easter eggs.

You are correct.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOttZmHhcA[/youtube]

Starting at 0:45.
That's Lylat Cruise, not Orbital Gate.
They had the Star Fox 64 crew during the Orbital Gate Smash Taunts, but Krystal was completely missing despite being present in the original game of that stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 11:24:25 pm
Also you shut your mouth about Panther.  He’s the greatest.  Loads better than that whiny Oikonny asshole.

I haven't played Command, so I can't really speak for that. But, if we're talking Assault, I like Panther's design, first time seeing him. What I don't like is his personality, which can be summed up in the first encounter. "Let me take down this one person in this group of people that my boss hates so much. Wait? That's a woman? Let me flirt with her constantly." Though, I will admit, Andrew was dumb in that game too, though he did get his "UNCLE ANDROSS!" in.

Edit: Maybe my hate is justified on the fact that there's no 4th member of the group, like Pigma. If he had stayed on the team in that, and Oikonny would've been the one that got corrupted by the Aparoids in that game, then maybe I'd like him more.

I mean hey, it worked for him.  In Command Krystal totally dumps Fox and joins Star Wolf to hook up with Panther. 

But I think we're getting off topic.  Who's up for another bullshit 4chan leak?

Spoiler: It's funny how dumb this is (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on July 05, 2018, 11:45:06 pm
I'll say it now: any "leak" that has Decidueye in is an insta-fake to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 05, 2018, 11:46:08 pm
AWW SHIET WE'RE FINALLY GETTING THE KING FROM THE ZELDA CDI GAMES /s
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on July 06, 2018, 03:26:28 am
Ok, if it wasn't for the fact that Ridley was already shown off in the game, I would say "Prime Ribs" is the most stupidly silly/awesome nickname one could give him, with that anorexic chest of his having his rib cage jutting out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 06, 2018, 04:17:38 am
Krystal being in Smash might have been nice, but she really haven't appeared in a game properly for many years now, and with Nintendo refusing to move past the end of Star Fox 64 as a setting, she might not appear properly for quite a while.

On the topic of the most recent Smash leaks, I'll wait until I get further conformation like all other leaks I have heard about.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 07, 2018, 03:13:54 pm
Ok, if it wasn't for the fact that Ridley was already shown off in the game, I would say "Prime Ribs" is the most stupidly silly/awesome nickname one could give him, with that anorexic chest of his having his rib cage jutting out.

"Prime ribs" is actually the default favorite food of Ninten in Mother 1, so I'm assuming that's who it's referring to.

I could see Ninten working as an echo fighter of Ness, but the'd have to give him a major redesign since in his official artwork they're completely identical.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Slivern on July 08, 2018, 03:50:27 am
That is actually an interesting note. I appreciate more Earthbound characters.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/7/7d/Mprime2_DarkSamus.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130406130407)

We got some "ribs" on Dark Samus's corrupted Phazon Suit in Metroid Prime 2 as well. (In fact the old Phazon Suit is kind of like Dark Samus's skeleton while her suit in Prime 3 is like her crustacean exterior.)

And since Dark Samus was "Metroid Prime" before...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 08, 2018, 10:32:35 pm
Sheik's new Final Smash is basically a Shun Goku Satsu with the sheikah symbol replacing the kanji.



FS is as 1:50
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on July 08, 2018, 11:25:14 pm
Maybe not full Shun Goku Satsu, more like Guy's Bushin Musou Renge (SFA3) in Sheik:

Spoiler: Fast forward to 2:28 (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Inactive user on July 08, 2018, 11:36:00 pm
it looks very interesting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 10, 2018, 01:10:34 am
It'll be nice when the game comes out and people start to get good with Ridley. Every time I see a video with him in it, he gets completely wrecked.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on July 10, 2018, 08:27:02 am


A new direct is coming. Either Simon or a brand new fighter.

Update: It's a tournament, not a direct. Dang it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 10, 2018, 06:31:00 pm
i can't wait for that to happen
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 11, 2018, 03:46:12 am
And for this week's music track we have a Mega Man 4 medley by Crush 40.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 11, 2018, 03:52:07 am
omg the band behind open your heart and live and learn is doing a mega man medley?! awesome
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on July 11, 2018, 06:07:45 am
omg the band behind open your heart and live and learn is doing a mega man medley?! awesome

Nope. Composer is actually Jun Senoue.

Also, ignore that post about a Direct coming next monday, it's just a stream for a tournament.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on July 11, 2018, 07:39:48 am
Also, ignore that post about a Direct coming next monday, it's just a stream for a tournament.

Fixed my post. Too good to be true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 11, 2018, 12:31:02 pm
I wouldn't expect any new announcements for characters until at least mid-August or September.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 11, 2018, 01:12:23 pm
We may get an echo fighter in the blog updates, since they're being treated differently than full-on newcomers, but yeah it's too soon for a new character trailer.

Also, there's a new shot of the Alolan Raichu pokeball up on the blog today.
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/63_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 11, 2018, 02:23:56 pm
When I first saw that screenshot at serebii, I thought it was related to Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee until I read the description.

Model looks very great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 11, 2018, 02:33:44 pm
We may get an echo fighter in the blog updates, since they're being treated differently than full-on newcomers, but yeah it's too soon for a new character trailer.

Also, there's a new shot of the Alolan Raichu pokeball up on the blog today.
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/63_1.jpg)

oh yeah hau's main pokemon is here
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 11, 2018, 03:01:21 pm
I thought his main Pokemon was the starter weak against the protagonist's starter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 11, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
I thought his main Pokemon was the starter weak against the protagonist's starter.

well he always sends out his alolan raichu first
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 12, 2018, 12:06:39 am
doesn't mean it's his main. His main one is the starter the player's starter is strong against.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 12, 2018, 12:45:05 am
doesn't mean it's his main. His main one is the starter the player's starter is strong against.

got it

sorry
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 12, 2018, 01:11:05 pm
The first wave of Smash Ultimate amiibo will launch alongside the game on 12/7 and include Inkling, Ridley, and Wolf (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1017227109541076992).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh3qqFnX4AE0pQ5.jpg)

Ooh, that looks good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 12, 2018, 02:40:26 pm
The first wave of Smash Ultimate amiibo will launch alongside the game on 12/7 and include Inkling, Ridley, and Wolf (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1017227109541076992).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh3qqFnX4AE0pQ5.jpg)

Ooh, that looks good.

indeed it does

they look so cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 13, 2018, 12:21:10 am
I'm definitely getting that Amiibo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 14, 2018, 05:23:47 pm
New Smash Bros livestream announced:

yes, NEW livestream, because the one on July 16th is still happening
and that sparks speculation, of course: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8ycvzs/nintendo_direct_for_july_22nd_leaked_with_evidence/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on July 15, 2018, 07:58:44 am
I wish to watch them both, but it's like 4 AM here ... I guess my insomnia will be the judge of this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2018, 12:37:48 pm
Moray Towers stage on the blog today.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2018, 06:33:28 pm
There is no livestream on the 22nd.  Just fake leakers making shit up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on July 17, 2018, 06:36:06 pm
New Smash Bros livestream announced:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/XHkJGV5UeiQ[/youtube]
yes, NEW livestream, because the one on July 16th is still happening
and that sparks speculation, of course: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8ycvzs/nintendo_direct_for_july_22nd_leaked_with_evidence/

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2018, 06:41:50 pm
^ I call bullshit until proven otherwise.  Ignoring the fact that there is WAY too much in that "leak" to fit into a single 30 minute direct, it's completely overstuffed with fan service wish fulfillment.  If even half of the stuff on it was real it'd have been announced at E3, if not by Nintendo then by any of the other companies involved.

Besides, any leak that includes Mother 3 getting localized, let alone remade, can be safely regarded as bullshit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on July 17, 2018, 06:45:56 pm
Yeah most likely it is not a Direct.  Nintendo's SDCC presence also ends on the 22nd, so I just assume that they're going to be running dual events at oth SDCC and Japan, not any new announcements. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 18, 2018, 03:40:52 am
I'M STIIIIIIIIIIILL IN A DREEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 19, 2018, 03:14:22 am


on today's blog we have bowser jr. and the koopalings

Quote
The Jr. Clown Car this little fella rides in takes less damage when attacked than Bowser Jr. himself—so try to stay in the car when taking damage. The different color variations are the Koopalings!

also his final smash is the same one from the previous game: just having either bowser jr. or one of the koopalings turn into shadow mario but in a metal palette and paint an x on it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 19, 2018, 03:28:25 pm
There is no livestream on the 22nd.  Just fake leakers making shit up.
if there's no livestream on the 22nd, then what's this?

It clearly says July 22nd.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 19, 2018, 04:15:04 pm
There’s a tournament event being held in Osaka on the 22nd.  They’re streaming that, not a Direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 19, 2018, 08:15:59 pm
To be fair, no one here has explicitly said it's going to be a direct.  Only the reddit link itself has that.
People can speculate, but I think anyone hoping new Smash news is going to appear there is being too hopeful.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 20, 2018, 04:09:06 am
Bewear pokeball on the blog today.

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/74_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/74_2.jpg)

I always thought this guy looked like a big cocktail weenie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 20, 2018, 04:15:28 am
ah yes one of two of team rocket's pokemon in the sun and moon anime makes an appearance

he does the uppercut move what's it called sky uppercut?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 20, 2018, 11:08:44 am
(https://i.imgur.com/MJJFAmR.png)
Looks a little off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on July 21, 2018, 05:24:49 am
Don't know why am I entertaining this, maybe because of how funny the error in this fake leak is. This one comes from GameFAQs:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on July 21, 2018, 05:46:26 am
Ayumi was actually considered for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but she was rejected due to lack of relevance outside of Japan (her series origin, Famicon Detective Club was a Japan-only release for the Nintendo Famicon Disk System, dem floppy disks). She would eventually appear in the game as a trophy collectible. Don't see her making the roster.

Heihachi may get in because of its DLC costume for the Mii Brawler in Super Smash Bros. 4, something of a make good.

King K. Rool is a very interesting case. Is he the property of Nintendo or Rare? Rare now works with Microsoft for XBOX games, making this former company a rival to Nintendo now. Had Rare remained a partner with Nintendo instead of moving on in 2002, not only would K. Rool have made it, so would have a representative from Killer Instinct. Adding on to it, Midway partnered with Nintendo and Rare for the arcade versions - would we have seen somebody from Mortal Kombat invade Smash as a sort of thank you, even though Mortal Kombat has something of a shaky history with Nintendo due to the debut of fatalities? But we're getting way ahead of ourselves. The point I'm trying to make is, the Kremlings in general have not seen a return in anything Donkey Kong related ever since Rare left Nintendo.

That's my thoughts on a few of the leaks. Until Nintendo releases a blog post or new trailer, we're just spectators speculating a shady spectacle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 21, 2018, 06:32:43 am
I've always thought that The Kremlings (and King K. Rool) are Nintendo property since they were in a Donkey Kong game. Also, King K. Rool has been highly requested to be in... at least as far as I know.

Heihachi wouldn't be a bad idea to put in, especially since he has experience in these kind of games. Travis Touchdown, on the other hand... it's a catch 22 of big time proportions. No More Heroes has made it's home on Nintendo systems, so he would fit in that sense... but, it's a Mature rated series. Granted, that didn't stop Bayonetta from getting in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 21, 2018, 06:46:31 am
Don't know why am I entertaining this, maybe because of how funny the error in this fake leak is. This one comes from GameFAQs:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Look, I usually don't go "LOL THIS IS FUCKING FAKE THE GUY WHO MADE THIS SHOULD KYS" when discussing leaks because:

1. That makes me sound like an anonymous asshole from 4Chan.

2. I might be proven wrong, making my comment even more idiotic looking.

But... even if K. Rool and Heihachi actually get in (I personally think they have a good chance), this "leak" is obviously faked. The pictures gave it away immediately.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on July 21, 2018, 07:06:49 am
That's not a typo, his name is written as König (German word for King) K. Rool.  I would be more inclined to point out how poor quality the portrait renders are.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 21, 2018, 02:02:50 pm
I think King K. Rool is owned by Nintendo, considering the last appearances he had was I believe Mario Baseball Sluggers and DK Barrel Blast. It was thanks to Playtonic Games that the costume for Mii Brawler was brought to Smash 4 in the first place. So, I'd say they own the rights to him, unless Nintendo could probably buy the rights to him, which wouldn't be a problem.

As for Heihachi, it'd probably make sense to have his younger self rather than his old self for his portrayal, like in PlayStation All-Stars. But, yeah, they could make a better logo than just "Tekken". Ryu's got that stylish "SF" which makes sense, so would a fist be good for Heihachi?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 21, 2018, 02:15:05 pm
All the DKC characters are owned by Nintendo. That's why you still see Diddy and the occasional Kremling.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on July 21, 2018, 02:37:44 pm
I think King K. Rool is owned by Nintendo, considering the last appearances he had was I believe Mario Baseball Sluggers and DK Barrel Blast. It was thanks to Playtonic Games that the costume for Mii Brawler was brought to Smash 4 in the first place. So, I'd say they own the rights to him, unless Nintendo could probably buy the rights to him, which wouldn't be a problem.

As for Heihachi, it'd probably make sense to have his younger self rather than his old self for his portrayal, like in PlayStation All-Stars. But, yeah, they could make a better logo than just "Tekken". Ryu's got that stylish "SF" which makes sense, so would a fist be good for Heihachi?

Out of curiousity; why would young Heihachi make more sense? His older grey-haired look is much more interesting and unique, especially since Smash doesnt really have a 'fighting grandpa' (besides old mannondorf). It's also his most iconic look.

also I don't think anyone broght it up here but Heihachi was discussed for smash 4, the reason he didn't make it is because Sakurai has trouble fitting his movelist into Smash. Full article is on Source Gaming for those who wanna check it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 21, 2018, 02:48:56 pm
he does the uppercut move what's it called sky uppercut?
Hammer Arm actually.  It even slows down after impact (at least seen from the first trailer).  Nice touch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 21, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
King K. Rool is a very interesting case. Is he the property of Nintendo or Rare?

Everything Rare created for Donkey Kong belongs wholly to Nintendo.  Their original IPs like Conker and Banjo Kazooie are the only things that stayed with them when they left Nintendo.

I have my own doubts about whether or not K. Rool should be in Smash, but from a copyright perspective there's nothing stopping Nintendo from using him however they want.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ShiroTori on July 22, 2018, 09:24:28 am
But, yeah, they could make a better logo than just "Tekken". Ryu's got that stylish "SF" which makes sense, so would a fist be good for Heihachi?

I found this logo and I think the kanji would make a fine choice for a possible playable Heihachi.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/622d/i/2017/006/a/6/tekken_logo_by_ringostarr39-dauh8f3.png)

Out of curiousity; why would young Heihachi make more sense? His older grey-haired look is much more interesting and unique, especially since Smash doesnt really have a 'fighting grandpa' (besides old mannondorf). It's also his most iconic look.

Both looks as different costumes seems like the best choice IMO.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on July 22, 2018, 05:31:22 pm
Honestly, I really hope Heihachi would be part of the game. He was on Sakurai's mind during Smash 4, and he is known to change his mind.
The only thing I require is the possibility to play Old Man, Heihachi. The "leaks"/"rumours" regarding Heihachi has all been that Young, stupid version. I don't mind if it's an alt, but I'd only use old man, Heihachi, as that's good Heihachi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 23, 2018, 03:17:34 am
Today's entry is just about the Mii Fighters, but the way it's phrased has me wondering.

Quote
You can choose from the three types of Mii Fighter and select from a set of three specials for each type. You can also choose one of 12 voice options!

Does that mean that there's three specials for each input that you can pick from, or three predetermined sets of all 4 specials?  Customization in this game seems to be far less than what Sm4sh had, so I wonder if they're dialing the Miis back too so they can try and make them viable online.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 23, 2018, 03:25:36 am
not to mention here's what's changed for each mii fighter class since i've been wanting to talk about:

let's start with mii brawler, it has a counter attack where he slams the opponent to the other side

mii swordfighter appears to have different effects like the others

and finally mii gunner's idle stance got changed due to the previous game where the mii gunner's stance is a bit too familiar

all 3 mii fighters got their default costumes changed to be a bit more fitting than the previous game

here's a game trailer for them as well



not to mention that all mii fighters have voices now unlike the previous game where they're silent
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 23, 2018, 03:34:31 am
Thankful to see less silent characters if anything. Smash 4 had way too many of them, why has Game and Watch lost his K.O.d sound since Melee? Why didn't Duck Hunt just have some stock dog sounds? Pac could have had hurtsounds like in World, or at least his classic death sound.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 23, 2018, 03:56:47 am
Speaking of voices, I'm still wondering why Olimar and Alph are silent while they have voices in their games.
I also kinda wish Bowser, DK, and Diddy would get their voices from their original games now instead of animal grunts.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 23, 2018, 04:40:58 am
I'm also wondering why Square will not give Cloud his English voice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 23, 2018, 04:42:36 am
I'm also wondering why Square will not give Cloud his English voice.

yeah his english voice sound great
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 23, 2018, 05:11:36 am
I hear that has to do with union restrictions on his voice actor.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 24, 2018, 02:53:13 am
I also kinda wish Bowser, DK, and Diddy would get their voices from their original games now instead of animal grunts.

At this point, I'd find it weird if they did have their original voices. Heck, I'm on the fence about Marth having an English voice.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 24, 2018, 03:23:34 am
I just like Bowser's regular voice and dislike the one they use for DK.
With characters like Marth, hopefully they'll include a voice option for certain characters like Marvel or XTag.  (And bind these options to player tags)  As opposed to having dual audio, but requiring you to change the voices for all characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 24, 2018, 03:48:41 am
Great Plateau Tower on today's blog:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/76_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/76_2.jpg)

That tiny space underneath the top part has the potential for some crazy matches.  From what I've seen from the demos, if you can hit someone into there at high enough damage and at just the right angle, they just start getting bounced back and forth at warp speed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 24, 2018, 10:08:34 am
Smash them while under the platform, watch'em bounce, and tease'em for the number of techs they missed. :P
...Are stages with walls/ceilings still tourney banned?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 03:40:58 am
Today's update is an F-Zero medley by Takenobu Mitsuyoshi, another Sega house musician.  Lot of Sega artists working on the soundtrack for this game, it seems.



This also marks the first time in at least 15 years that someone who works for Nintendo has acknowledged the existence of F-Zero on purpose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on July 25, 2018, 03:59:32 am
You know, besides the time they had Captain Falcon beat up some Fire Emblem characters in their own trailer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 25, 2018, 04:07:53 am
*Daytona USA intesifies*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 04:23:21 am
You know, besides the time they had Captain Falcon beat up some Fire Emblem characters in their own trailer.

I would bet money that there are people who work on these things that legitimately believe Captain Falcon is an original character for Smash Bros.  F-Zero is more dead than Mother is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 25, 2018, 04:56:41 am
Those are some very hurtful comments even if they are true. >:(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 25, 2018, 06:57:16 am
F-ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is that the dude from Daytona USA? Neat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on July 25, 2018, 07:37:40 am
That guy is amazing and has a good voice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 01:08:42 pm
There's also an update on the Peach's Castle stage from Melee and godsdamn did this stage get one hell of a graphical upgrade.

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/78_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/78_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on July 25, 2018, 02:03:26 pm
Peach's castle is looking really good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 25, 2018, 09:39:14 pm
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 25, 2018, 10:04:40 pm
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...

i'm hoping to see if the gamer stage returns
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 25, 2018, 11:05:51 pm
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...
It's believed the stage shown in one of Bowser's screenshots is Mario Maker.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/bowser/ss_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 26, 2018, 01:59:58 am
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...
It's believed the stage shown in one of Bowser's screenshots is Mario Maker.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/bowser/ss_5.jpg)

Yeah, that's definitely the Mario Maker stage... the fence is way too low-quality and flat to be from Mushroom Kingdom U! In fact, I don't even think the fence shows up in MKU at all!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 26, 2018, 08:00:58 am
The updated Melee stages here look freakin' amazing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 29, 2018, 02:16:21 pm
Since Vergeben turned out to be on the money with his last leak about Ridley, Ice Climbers, and no cuts, it's probably worth posting this new info from him (https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018/jul/28/rumor-isabelle-animal-crossing-playable-newcomer-super-smash-bros-ultimate/) here.  He's doubling down on Simon Belmont as a newcomer, but also now claiming that Isabelle is going to be playable too.  Beyond that he states that he's not going to bother leaking any more information since the game's so close to coming out and there's only a half-dozen newcomers left anyway, including Simon and Isabelle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 30, 2018, 03:25:58 am
here's today's blog it's about the last of the original 12 characters from the very first smash game who just so happens to be one of the 4 unlockables in the first game:



Quote
Today's Fighter
#12: Jigglypuff
Jigglypuff can jump 5 times in the air and can move faster in the air than on the ground. Use Jigglypuff's great aerial ability to overwhelm your opponent! If you manage to land the down special Rest, you can powerfully launch your opponent.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RoySquadRocks on August 01, 2018, 03:19:41 am
Gotta love this Galaga remix!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 01, 2018, 03:27:47 am
that sounds way cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 03, 2018, 03:42:41 am
Today's entry is for the Rodin assist trophy:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_2.jpg)

Also confirming the return of Delfino Plaza, which is cool.  Brings us up to what, 85 stages now?  Jegus.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 03, 2018, 04:33:34 am
i wonder if he'll have the same english voice as from the game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 03, 2018, 05:06:14 am
It also just occurred to me that the inclusion of Delfino Plaza is actually the first new piece of information besides music they've shown since E3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 03, 2018, 05:08:31 am
I'll just be crossing fingers for Pokefloats.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 03, 2018, 05:24:36 am
I'll just be crossing fingers for Pokefloats.

same with gamer
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 03, 2018, 09:30:32 am
If they do include Gamer, I hope they do something with the main theme; having it be completely silent when playing on the omega form made me turn it off. Since it's such a short loop (not that 25m cares all that much), perhaps they could force it to not show up unless you're playing on the default version of the stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 03, 2018, 07:23:04 pm
If they do bring back Gamer, I hope it's renamed to "Sneaky Gamer" to match its name in WarioWare Gold.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 04, 2018, 03:31:04 am
Today's entry is for the Rodin assist trophy:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_2.jpg)

Also confirming the return of Delfino Plaza, which is cool.  Brings us up to what, 85 stages now?  Jegus.

Who is Rodin? Never seen him before.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 03:42:35 am
Here you go. (http://bayonetta.wikia.com/wiki/Rodin)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on August 04, 2018, 06:21:31 am
Beyond that he states that he's not going to bother leaking any more information since the game's so close to coming out and there's only a half-dozen newcomers left anyway, including Simon and Isabelle.

And the funniest part of all is that he didn't call it quits on leaking after all, well, not that much anyways, because he now claims that there will be a Gen 7 pokémon, but it's not Decidueye. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76866145/906230784)
Why is he keeping it so ambiguous instead of just saying which 'mon it'll be? I can only suppose he's just tired of people pestering him about his leaks and/or his track record on other stuff that he just can't be explicit with them anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 06:43:08 am
Plot twist:  We're getting Rowlet instead.  Fear its Leafage lockdown.

(Or Mimikyu.  Odd that it hasn't appeared as a Pokéball assist from the start)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 04, 2018, 09:41:20 am
You know it's going to be Electric-type Lucario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on August 04, 2018, 11:41:17 am
Money's on it being Mimikyu
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 04, 2018, 12:08:51 pm
Honestly, prior to knowing that the next Super Smash Bros would be an ultimate one that brings everyone back, but wont have many newcomers, I always thought they would pick Tapu Koko for the Gen 7 representation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 04, 2018, 01:34:43 pm
I was more in favor for Necrozma, what with hiding it in Sun/Moon even before its release then making such a big deal out of it for the Ultra games.  Already is around humanoid size and proportions, Smash attack writes itself with its dragon form and giant JRPG Final Boss superlaser.  I imagined it being something akin to a floaty Donkey Kong to play as.

But yes, if not Decidueye or Mimikyu, it's gonna be that electric Lucario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2018, 01:48:17 pm
Mimikyu would be awesome, if a little hard to conceptualize.  The only other non-Decidueye gen 7 rep that readily springs to mind for me as a likely candidate is Lycanroc.  Incineroar would be awesome since Smash doesn't really have a grappler/wrestler style character, but Decidueye's the popular one so it's probably not likely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 04, 2018, 03:40:39 pm
...am I seriously the only person here who thinks that Tapu Koko could have a chance as a playable Gen 7 rep in Smash Bros?
He was one of the earlier revealed Pokémon as well as the first legendary non-cover Pokémon to be revealed, and he plays a big role as well due to being an island guardian of Alola.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 04:08:32 pm
Tapu Koko can be a decent choice, but I feel it fits more in Pokken where it's Electric Surge covering the whole arena would make more sense and its whole gimmick would be to find ways to set up the terrian again.

Mimikyu has way more followers than anyone in Gen 7 (maybe tied with the little owl).  Yet, Dusk Mane Lycanroc is just as popular, can represent the entirety of USUM, and its moveset can include Accelrock, elemental Fangs, Stone Edge, and Rock Climb as its recovery.  Also it's exclusive Z-Move as its Final Smash would be very stylish.  Finally, Duck Hunt Dog could use a new friend. 

Then there's Poipole and how much the anime is pushing as the focus.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2018, 04:22:41 pm
It's not impossible, but personally I don't know how likely it is that they'd want to include a legendary pokemon as a playable character.  Unless Mewtwo counts as legendary?  I'm actually not sure on that one.

Oh and also: (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/94gqms/vergeben_the_gen_7_pokémon_character_is_not/e3kzjxk/)
dasvergeben said:
I already said it, there should be no confusion.

There is a Gen 7 rep that will be playable. It's just that it is not Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu.

Well fuck me I guess.  If it's not any of those three and Bewear's in a pokeball, who's left out of the most popular Gen 7 pokemon to take it?  Who does Ash have in the anime now?

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 04:44:15 pm
You know, I'm suddenly ok with Tapu Koko if we get a cool remix of the Island Guardians and his exclusive Z-move as its Final Smash.

Quote
Who does Ash have in the anime now?
Rowlet, who is even more popular than Mimikyu, and the fans keep asking for a new Grass rep, so.....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 04, 2018, 04:57:06 pm
Just crossed my mind that if it's not Zeraora, it could be Marshadow. It had some significance in that I Choose You! movie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2018, 05:06:40 pm
Quote
Who does Ash have in the anime now?
Rowlet, who is even more popular than Mimikyu, and the fans keep asking for a new Grass rep, so.....

Rowlet seems unlikely, if only because its size and shape would mean they couldn't really do anything with its normals that Jigglypuff's not already doing.  I just checked and apparently he's got a Torracat though, so maybe Incineroar's not as unlikely as I though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 04, 2018, 07:01:32 pm
You know it's going to be Electric-type Lucario.

What is this electric-type Lucario?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 04, 2018, 07:10:10 pm
Zeraora.
(https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/a/a7/807Zeraora.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 05, 2018, 01:34:31 am
I just checked and apparently he's got a Torracat though, so maybe Incineroar's not as unlikely as I though.
Worth noting that Incineroar has been making frequent appearences in the anime and had an important movie role.  It's exclusive move can be used as recovery and its own unique Z-Move for a Final Smash.

Even in the source game, its Hidden Ability has made it a popular pick among the VGC meta.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on August 05, 2018, 01:39:09 am
There was a "leak" about a month ago that had Necrozma on it so maybe it will be one of the few non BS ones.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 05, 2018, 01:51:09 am
I just checked and apparently he's got a Torracat though, so maybe Incineroar's not as unlikely as I though.
Worth noting that Incineroar has been making frequent appearences in the anime and had an important movie role.  It's exclusive move can be used as recovery and its own unique Z-Move for a Final Smash.

Even in the source game, its Hidden Ability has made it a popular pick among the VGC meta.

Holy shit I didn't even think of that.  With how cinematic Final Smashes are in this game, Malicious Moonsault would look so badass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 05, 2018, 04:25:16 am
Incineroar's popularity in the VGC spiked due to its HA, Fake Out and recovery options, not to mention U-turn. I would like to see how a Pokemon can use a Z-move without having a trainer giving the power needed.

My best bets for Gen 7 reps are between Incineroar and Midnight Lycanroc. I would say Zeraora may have the chance as well since it is officially released.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 05, 2018, 04:38:32 am
Well there were no trainers for Mega Evolutions, and yet I imagine the Sun/Moon protag appearing to give the Z-move command, similar to how Corrin Robin calls Chrom and Shulk with company.

Lycanroc is said to be deconfirmed and usually Mythicals don't get to be playable.

Edit: My bad
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on August 05, 2018, 05:01:11 am
similar to how Corrin calls Chrom and Shulk with company.

That's Robin....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 05, 2018, 05:45:39 am
Who does Ash have in the anime now?

Well, if I remember correctly, he eventually gets a...

Spoiler: Ash gets a.... (click to see content)
Spoiler: Team Rocket gets... (click to see content)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 06, 2018, 01:04:44 am
Smash Bros Direct announced for 7am PT on Wednesday. (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1026202051884150784)  Everybody place your bets now on what they're going to show.   

I'm guessing besides whatever features or game modes they show off, they'll reveal at least one totally new character, and maybe another echo fighter.  For a new character, I'm gonna say it's Ashley.  If there's an echo, Isabelle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 06, 2018, 01:08:21 am
The announcement of Nintendo's version of Capcom Cup/Arc Revo.

moo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 06, 2018, 01:29:02 am
I'm guessing besides whatever features or game modes they show off, they'll reveal at least one totally new character, and maybe another echo fighter.  For a new character, I'm gonna say it's Ashley.  If there's an echo, Isabelle.
Maybe Ken for a Ryu echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on August 06, 2018, 02:03:19 am
I'm mainly expecting news about game modes, as a leaker who's got some things right about the game, claimed that a Direct would happen this month, main highlight being a new mode which will be the primary way to unlock characters. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091)

As for character announcements, I'm not expecting anyone in particular, but I'd appreciate if one of Vergeben's characters were announced.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 06, 2018, 02:10:33 am
I'm mainly expecting news about game modes, as a leaker who's got some things right about the game, claimed that a Direct would happen this month, main highlight being a new mode which will be the primary way to unlock characters. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091)

As for character announcements, I'm not expecting anyone in particular, but I'd appreciate if one of Vergeben's characters were announced.

it basically reminds me of super smash bros brawl where you can at least playthrough subspace emissary to unlock characters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 06, 2018, 03:34:44 am
Aw, hell yeah! I had a feeling there were going to be Smash announcements this month! Fingers crossed that Ashley's a playable character, and that they'll reveal her here!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 06, 2018, 04:06:54 am
^ Ashley's pretty much a shoo-in, IMO.  She really is just inconceivably popular in Japan.  If Ridley got in to please the Western fanbase, I'm fully expecting Ashely will be the pick to appease the Eastern fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 06, 2018, 04:46:06 am
I'm guessing besides whatever features or game modes they show off, they'll reveal at least one totally new character, and maybe another echo fighter.  For a new character, I'm gonna say it's Ashley.  If there's an echo, Isabelle.
Maybe Ken for a Ryu echo.
Evil Ryu would be better imo.  His gimmick can be doing all of Ryu's specials but without the extra inputs and his Down+B is his SFIV FA with additional range.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on August 06, 2018, 04:56:09 am
I bet on either;
- Ashley.
- King K. Rool.
- Heihachi Mishima.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 06, 2018, 06:21:19 am
Regardless of who the characters actually are, I predict there will be at least one new Echo Fighter and one unique newcomer, with the majority of the Direct being focused on single-player content. I also predict that the Stages and/or the Items tab of the official website will be open shortly after the Direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on August 06, 2018, 07:05:10 am
I bet on these guys:
- Spring Man
- Dixie Kong (EF of Diddy)
- Shovel Knight
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 06, 2018, 11:58:12 am
I'm sorry, but no.
Like, yeah, I want Dixie Kong to be playable, but it just wouldn't make sense for her to be an Echo Fighter of Diddy Kong.
She never uses peanut guns or jetpacks, and you also just can't ignore her hair for moveset potential either (which is what her as Diddy's Echo would do since all of her attacks would have the exact same animation as Diddy due to being an Echo of Diddy).
So no, Dixie absolutely HAS to be an unique fighter!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 07, 2018, 12:47:11 am
Some rando from reddit said:
8/8 = Heihachi/Octoling.

This is the kind of investigative journalism that Smash Bros deserves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 07, 2018, 01:07:59 am
You know, after playing the Octo Expansion and getting sucked into the Splatoon world, I would be happy to play as an Octoling, but they seriously lack anything standout that separates them from an Inkling in Smash.  Something I was thinking about however should they be included, though obviously much too late for this game to consider, is focusing the "main" color of an Inkling to be Agent 3 (http://pm1.narvii.com/6015/431316e3f433aa829fc550da58cced147c6546b6_00.jpg) and a similar main color for an Octoling to be Agent 8 (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fantendo/images/f/f5/Agent_8_-_Splatoon_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20180309162732).  With the various others being exactly what they're doing now with random fashion choices from multiplayer and manga references for the Inklings and using the enemy outfits for the Octolings.

This however comes into conflict with the main Splatoon character either being the no-named Inkling Girl Nintendo has been pushing and wanting to be the face of the series, or what could be best described as the in-canon character representation of that same Inkling later on as Agent 3.  It's a little hard to tell what is the set coloring for Agent 3 either, which would help, because in art she's yellow/golden with purple accents but in game she's clearly the default orange. (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/akqbbQVNfqA/maxresdefault.jpg) (And of course, they all keep changing their colors with each scenario)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 07, 2018, 11:47:18 pm
The new Bomber item's up on the blog:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/93.jpg)

They must have timed this direct tomorrow well, because I think this might actually be the last new thing from the E3 build they had left to feature.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 08, 2018, 12:03:00 am
The new Bomber item's up on the blog:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/93.jpg)

They must have timed this direct tomorrow well, because I think this might actually be the last new thing from the E3 build they had left to feature.

in the games, if kirby swallows bomber, it becomes crash kirby

here, it's like bob-omb but it takes massive damage

anyway i can't wait for the smash bros direct to occur tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 08, 2018, 03:31:36 am
On the topic of tomorrow's Direct: Despite being a staunch advocate for King K. Rool being in Smash, I cannot for the life of me actually imagine him being a fighter in the game. Regardless, if by some microscopic chance he actually did appear, I'd undoubtedly crap a ton of bricks. At this point, I see Dixie having a better shot.

I've said this before, but I'd also like to see Lip in the game, even though her chances are practically non-existent as well. I tell ya, I gotta start clamoring for more mainstream representatives.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 05:14:18 am
So Nintendo might have borked up the reveal for tomorrow.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 08, 2018, 05:22:14 am
What a good fit, if indeed the case!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2018, 06:21:33 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 08, 2018, 06:29:34 am
Hmm... Don't want to specify what everyone else is talking about for the sake of spoilers, but if this slip up means what I think it means, then my father will be very happy about this. He's been wanting this in a Smash game for a while now, and it makes me happy that his wish may come true. :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 08, 2018, 04:27:48 pm
Welp, the last minutes went from hype, to scared, back to sincere hype.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2018, 04:35:37 pm


There is a whole lot to digest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on August 08, 2018, 04:36:39 pm
OMG!!! KING K. ROOL KONFIRMED!!!
OMG!!! SIMON KONFIRMED!!!
THANK YOU MR. SAKURAI!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2018, 04:41:05 pm
@JMorphman one of your requested characters finally made it.

As an echo fighter no less.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TheFclass97 on August 08, 2018, 04:42:52 pm
THIS GAME! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 08, 2018, 04:47:53 pm
I expected Simon Belmont...but not Richter as well!
And King K. Rool joins, too?!
My reaction:
(https://puu.sh/BaO68/ba67dd8dc8.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on August 08, 2018, 04:49:23 pm
Man, that trailer was absolutely nuts. RIP Luigi :qq:

@JMorphman one of your requested characters finally made it.

As an echo fighter no less.
I have always been adamant that Dark Samus should have a unique moveset because she doesn't actually use any of Samus's moves in the Prime games (and instead has a ton of unique moves of her own), but I'll take what I can get!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 04:56:26 pm
Wow, that was way more than I was expecting.  K Rool may not have been my first choice, but I love how he looks. 3 echo fighters and no Isabelle is a little concerning, but the fact that Kapp’n is an assist trophy now gives me hope that she’s not.  I’ll cop to being a little disappointed that Ashley is still just an assist trophy, but I’m happy with what we got.

Also holy shit Shovel Knight has to be in literally everything, doesn’t he.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on August 08, 2018, 05:08:28 pm
Just how much content can be put on in a single game, holy shit! :o
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 08, 2018, 05:09:16 pm
K Rool & Simon confirmations aside...
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/203658918906298368/476765108194770955/image.jpg)
... this part had me at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on August 08, 2018, 05:24:02 pm
I just yelled very hard when I saw King K. Rool got confirmed.
I was offline for a while and now I saw it. Now I'll buying the Switch for sure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DW on August 08, 2018, 05:36:12 pm
Yeah, poor Luigi man... :(

Though OMG YES!!!! I gotta get a Switch now! I've literally been waiting years for this moment. Simon and Richter! Man it's a dream come true. Slowly but surely, Konami is getting back into good graces. Someone in upper management has their head on straight and doing their best to dig the company out of the hole.

With the Netflix anime and this, they are definitely on the right track. This is so awesome I can't even truly give it justice.

@Kamekaze:

IDK when your Richter will be done, though this could be great for perhaps some additional moves and voice acting!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 08, 2018, 05:39:13 pm
yes i knew it the gamer stage is back
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 08, 2018, 05:39:38 pm
Well, R.I.P. playable Ashley, but...

SIMON
RICHTER
CHROM
DARK SAMUS
KING K. ROOL

THE HYPE IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on August 08, 2018, 05:41:03 pm
My boy King K Rool! Oh man, the hype train has no brakes!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 06:14:04 pm
Chrom is actually kind of interesting here.  He’s an echo of Roy, but he has Ike’s up special.  Looks like echo fighters can be more unique than we thought.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 08, 2018, 06:17:34 pm
Stage morphing is going to be fucking wild. Can't wait to see Max's reaction from all this grandeur.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xhominid on August 08, 2018, 06:45:22 pm
Stage morphing is going to be fucking wild. Can't wait to see Max's reaction from all this grandeur.

He had a stream up before the Direct started... yeah, he went nuts over basically everything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on August 08, 2018, 06:55:51 pm
Sakurai: There! Theres your stinking crocodile! Never ask me for anything ever again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 08, 2018, 06:59:09 pm
Super Smash Bros Never Ask Sakurai For Anything Ever Again
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lichtbringer on August 08, 2018, 07:20:25 pm
Simon is in, seems like I have to buy a Switch now. Ö_Ö
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on August 08, 2018, 07:21:12 pm
I was expecting Simon but I never expected Richter to make it in too. And we got Alucard as an assist trophy on top of that.

also hyped for Dark Samus, Chrom, and King K Rool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 08, 2018, 07:22:20 pm
https://twitter.com/YachtClubGames/status/1027207289504129026
(https://i.imgur.com/PpCYdKq.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 08, 2018, 07:34:18 pm


And his hype commences! \o/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 08:32:56 pm
I like how he doesn't give two shits about Chrom but loses his mind over the Final Smash Meter. :P

Personally, I'm really happy that both versions of Vulpix show up as Pokeballs.  Vulpix has always been my favorite pokemon, and now it gets to be in Smash twice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 08, 2018, 08:36:27 pm
mimikyu's in it because it can instantly ko fighters now
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 08, 2018, 09:09:58 pm
Chrom is actually kind of interesting here.  He’s an echo of Roy, but he has Ike’s up special.  Looks like echo fighters can be more unique than we thought.

lol echo fighters; what's next, guessies ?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 08, 2018, 09:19:51 pm
Surprised Sakurai didn't put in Soma Cruz given his fondness for ikemen swordsman.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Prototype God on August 08, 2018, 09:27:30 pm
Man, Richter is that one character that I kinda wanted but never expected to make it in since Simon is more iconic especially for Nintendo consoles. Fuck yeah!
Also, looks like the character select is going to organize the fighters by character number instead of by series, hopefully there's an option to change how the fighters are ordered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DW on August 08, 2018, 09:53:35 pm
I forgot to mention this: I'm really looking forward to the Castlevania music renditions for this too. Divine Bloodlines is one of my fave tracks and listening to it in that trailer, I'm liking what I hear. The orchestra quality composition will make those tracks sound beautiful. I already like the violins/strings they used for Divine Bloodlines. Bloody Tears sounded great too. So many tracks they're adding, it's gonna be great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 10:47:13 pm
TFW you have almost 1000 songs in your game but Square only lets you have two for their series:

(https://i.imgur.com/CUJlH02.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Santtu on August 08, 2018, 11:11:27 pm
Now we just need SA-X and we can have four Samus games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 08, 2018, 11:14:36 pm
My God, the madman did it! Thank you Sakurai! I will never ask you for anything again.

I couldn't stop grinning after I saw K. Rool revealed in all his glory. The reveal itself was spectacular. I also really like what I see of Simon and Richter. Possibly cuz I'm not the biggest Castlevania fan, I couldn't picture in my head they would translate to Smash (same thing I was thinking with K. Rool), but the development team wows me time and time again.  Chrom and Dark Samus were the icing on the cake.

The new stages were great. Dracula's Castle looks crazy fun. I was real excited to see Fountain of Dreams and Brinstar Depths confirmed, too.

I also like all the new game modes they're showing off (calling it now, the blurred out game mode at the end is Adventure Mode). Eh, what am I saying? I liked everything they showed. Sure made it hard for me to concentrate at work afterwards.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 09, 2018, 01:24:08 am
Turns out the blurred out text on the secret mode is readable thanks to poor video editing.

(https://i.imgur.com/nOPJeeB.png)

"Spirits."  Maybe some kind of new adventure mode?  Might have something to do with the fact that people keep getting literally killed in these character reveal trailers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 09, 2018, 02:39:58 am
Well.  Getting to this late, everything I wanted to say has already been said.  Jmorphman, I echo those sentiments exactly, and who knows, looking to the future past this game maybe they'll diversify the echo characters even further.  For now she's in the game, that's fine by me.

Shame Luigi's now officially dead, for now and forever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 09, 2018, 03:39:29 am
Weird that they still felt the need to do a blog update today, but the actual video for Bloody Tears / Monster Dance is up now.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DW on August 09, 2018, 03:45:47 am
What a horrible night...

Awesome! I knew they'd do them justice. Looking forward to see all the tracks they choose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 09, 2018, 04:09:59 am
I'm curious to see the Street Fighter soundtracks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on August 09, 2018, 05:09:29 am
TFW you have almost 1000 songs in your game but Square only lets you have two for their series:

(https://i.imgur.com/CUJlH02.png)
I saw that.....I'm really hoping thats just temporary...FF has an amazing collection of songs and if we ended up with only two again thats going to make me sad
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 09, 2018, 06:38:59 am
Man, that trailer was absolutely nuts. RIP Luigi :qq:

Taking account for Ridley's trailer, RIP Mario and Megaman. :qq:

Sakurai: There! Theres your stinking crocodile! Never ask me for anything ever again.

Everyone: Okay! Now give us Heihachi and Geno next with Walui-*shot*.

But in all seriousness, I've noticed they haven't shown Shadow to be an Assist Trophy yet, assuming that Knuckles (Welcome to the club, my dude, all the cool kids are hanging out.) replaces him as a Sonic assist character so he's on the maybe scale of an echo to a slim chance to be a new fighter? Also, is it me, or have they not shown Isabella yet either?

Edit: Another wild and crazy guess, Protoman as Megaman's echo fighter?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 09, 2018, 07:18:35 am
I feel like if that was gonna happen they wouldn't have bothered adding him to Megaman's Final Smash, but who knows.

I kinda hope it's Roll though, because I'll never get tired of that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Do not even ask on August 09, 2018, 08:13:13 am
fuck yes brinstar depths is back, nothing else announced present and future will top that for me
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 09, 2018, 03:58:21 pm
the only stage that needs to return is poke floats because they could add some more pokemon as those float balloons

I highly doubt that the only stage that will most likely not to return is the miiverse due to the fact that miiverse has been shut down
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on August 09, 2018, 07:21:41 pm
There seems to be room for 6 more stages on the stage select screen, so I wouldn’t completely rule out Poke Floats yet, and even then, there is nothing that says that it cannot show up as DLC (seeing as those 6 spots might be for unrevealed new stages? Doubt the 5 new stages we have so far are all we are gonna get).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2018, 02:31:01 am
So get your tin-foil hats ready, but I had an unnecessarily long theory about a future Pokémon rep.  Recently it was reported that Game Freak went and put out copyrights for a number of Pokémon that are likely all going to be included in the Let's Go games. (https://nintendosoup.com/15-kanto-pokemon-re-trademarked-in-japan-may-receive-mega-evolutions-in-pokemon-lets-go/)  Mostly gen 1 stuff, though it also includes Hitmontop, a gen 2 pokemon, which is odd in its own right but that's a discussion for the actual Pokémon thread.  Included in the list is Eevee's various first gen evolutions and Pikachu's evolution to Raichu.  As the report in the link mentions, the last time Game Freak did something similar to this was for the introduction of Mega Evolution in gen 6.

While not a direct confirmation that this means they're getting Mega Forms, it was even more recently confirmed that the option to Mega Evolve will be a feature in the new Let's Go games (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8SGlfXb3YI), despite the simplification to game design it features.  If not Megas, at least something new to distinguish them further.  While unfortunately I don't think Eevee would be a good fit for Smash, not without each alt color being a different Eeveelution and altering the move effects for each element and a lot of attention to detail, never minding the size differences thus different hitboxes needed, we did just get Pichu to return to Smash since being gone for two titles.  I could totally see them announcing sometime between Let's Go's release and Smash Ultimate's the addition of Raichu, just to finish off the entire Pikachu family tree.

The main issue I'm forseeing is having Alolan Raichu already in the game as a Poke Ball summon.  But regular Raichu was going to act different than the Alolan variant anyways.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 10, 2018, 06:54:48 am
Except that the leaker claims a Pokémon from Gen 7 is being included.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 10, 2018, 01:00:43 pm
I think the bigger issue is that nobody has ever cared about Raichu.  I can't imagine Sakurai would want to include such an unpopular pokemon with such an unoriginal movelist simply for the sake of some misplaced sense of completionism.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2018, 01:41:51 pm
Currently, with Richter just getting thrown in there and now they're adding clones left and right, I no longer think limiting our wishlisting to just one Pokémon rep for the latest generation is a necessity, and Sakurai's just throwing us off saying there's not many newcomers.  However, Raichu's popularity is another factor in that you're right, no one really cares about Raichu. (Well, except it's my second favorite pokemon if we're being honest but the mass majority just view it as the Lt. Surge pokemon)  That's why I'm hoping whatever they were copyrighted over will bring them enough uniqueness to make Raichu a viable option to the Smash team to consider.

Granted, there's also the timeframe of when they had all that planned out for the Let's Go series and how long ago the Smash team started work on Ultimate to consider.  Might just be too late into development.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 10, 2018, 06:10:02 pm
I will agree that Richter has really blown the range of characters we can expect wide open.  At this point,  there’s now no excuse not to include Ninten.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on August 10, 2018, 06:12:01 pm
It's going to be Incineroar. It's the Pokemon Nintendo has been pushing. It was in the movie and in the anime Kukui has one and Ash will eventually have one once Torracat evolves (Rowlet stays unevolved because he's the new Piplup). It's also the number one Pokemon on VGC right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 10, 2018, 06:18:53 pm
Fun fact:  Incineroar was the No.1 traded Pokemon on Global Trade Station in Sun/Moon from the Global Link website.  I'll be very surprised if it doesn't end up a Pokemon hazard at best.

I will agree that Richter has really blown the range of characters we can expect wide open.  At this point,  there’s now no excuse not to include Ninten.
Or Paper Mario who's a highly requested character for some reason.  I imagine him being an Echo to Doc Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 10, 2018, 11:18:12 pm
Or Paper Mario who's a highly requested character for some reason.  I imagine him being an Echo to Doc Mario.

^How, exactly? Like I don't mean that in a smart alecky way. I'm genuinely curious.

Also, was looking at screenshots of K. Rool on the website, and it is just now occurring to me...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2018, 11:46:42 pm
I won't complain if the gen 7 choice is Incineroar, seeing I've already got characters I want, but like Greninja I am gonna be a little annoyed at my least favorite starter of the generation getting picked again and likely not ever use the character.

The starter choice seems unfair overall, to be honest.  Each starter should get its fair share of time in the spotlight, since each is important in the actual Pokémon title, so when you have just one I feel compelled to want the other two.  Red and Leaf kinda subvert this, with Squirtle being as popular as Blatoise and Charizard being Charizard, but then you have middle-stage Ivysaur who doesn't really stand out in actual Pokemon.  That's another reason why I'd rather the gen 7 pick be Necrozma, all players regardless of starter choice deal with it eventually thus have a greater connection to it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 11, 2018, 12:05:38 am
I will agree that Richter has really blown the range of characters we can expect wide open.  At this point,  there’s now no excuse not to include Ninten.
Or Paper Mario who's a highly requested character for some reason.  I imagine him being an Echo to Doc Mario.

Paper Mario would be interesting to see, but I don't think he could be an Echo.  His 2D model means they'd have to redo all of the animations and rigging to fit him, and at that point they might as well spend the same amount of effort making him unique.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kamekaze on August 11, 2018, 01:48:30 am
Yeah, poor Luigi man... :(

Though OMG YES!!!! I gotta get a Switch now! I've literally been waiting years for this moment. Simon and Richter! Man it's a dream come true. Slowly but surely, Konami is getting back into good graces. Someone in upper management has their head on straight and doing their best to dig the company out of the hole.

With the Netflix anime and this, they are definitely on the right track. This is so awesome I can't even truly give it justice.

@Kamekaze:

IDK when your Richter will be done, though this could be great for perhaps some additional moves and voice acting!
fun fact, i literally had all the things he was doing minus the angled whip over 2 years ago when he was planned. It felt bizarre to see my identical moveset ideas. The only difference is I had hydro storm where they went with grand cross
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Iori730 on August 11, 2018, 07:24:51 am
Whoa, Richter, and Simon huh? Great, It had to be on the damned Nintendo Console. Why don't fighting games on PS4/Xbox ever put these guys in?
Wanted to see Cloud, Simon, Richter, in MvC Infinite.. or Tekken, M.K, KOF.. such a shame it had to be on Switch, Sony could've picked up Bayonetta as well..
Regardless, Im impressed with this, well we don't need Mugen anymore..
Dont mess with Richters power :muttrox:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty



Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlenderMan on August 11, 2018, 08:57:59 am
I wouldn't say we don't need Mugen anymore. Richter as far as I know is still being made for Mugen. Haven't heard anything on him but I hope to see him in action soon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Slivern on August 11, 2018, 09:02:19 am
I got an awesome serving of Prime Ribs the morning I saw that direct. Also, I think I may main Chrom; the white color for Marth is a personal favorite of mine, and knowing that Chrom also holds a Falchion and has a nice white cape as well, that's awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on August 11, 2018, 11:50:35 pm
So I was looking at the song section in the Direct and found a really interesting part right here:
(https://i.imgur.com/F0TIBmw.png)
Damn! 36 songs!
Thank God my college semester ends in November, because I'm sure going to spend a lot of time listening to all the SF music this game offers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 12, 2018, 01:27:06 am
They've got to have themes of Chun-Li, Guile, Bison and of course Ken and Akuma in there!

And for Ryu's stage, you can pick your favorite theme from the SF series so you can hear it as you fight.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 12, 2018, 02:19:40 am
They've got to have themes of Chun-Li, Guile, Bison and of course Ken and Akuma in there!

And for Ryu's stage, you can pick your favorite theme from the SF series so you can hear it as you fight.

I want guy's theme from street fighter alpha and street fighter alpha 2 they're my favorites
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 12, 2018, 02:45:37 am
They've got to have themes of Chun-Li, Guile, Bison and of course Ken and Akuma in there!

And for Ryu's stage, you can pick your favorite theme from the SF series so you can hear it as you fight.

Could the Marvel vs. variants make its way into Smash? Ryu has three (XvSF, MSHvSF and MvC1).

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 12, 2018, 03:37:23 am
That makes FF's two song all the more disappointing. :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 12, 2018, 03:38:20 am
I don't think the MvC variants would be there... as for Guy, they might have the Bay Area stage theme in there since it was the popular theme of the Final Fight series iirc
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 12, 2018, 04:06:45 am
I can imagine a Retro Final Fight medley included as part of the SF tracklist.

I'll be surprised if the SFIV/SFV Main Theme is nowhere to be found, remixed or otherwise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Big Dick on August 15, 2018, 03:39:42 am


The composers that did 3D World and Xenoblade series

Legit good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 15, 2018, 03:50:06 am
That is the most anime sounding Donkey Kong track I’ve ever heard.  I dig it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 15, 2018, 04:08:54 am
The YouTube upload of the song is just "12"...

HOLY CRAP GUYS STREET FIGHTER'S TWELVE CONFIRMED FOR SMASH /s
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on August 15, 2018, 07:08:58 am
The YouTube upload of the song is just "12"...

HOLY CRAP GUYS STREET FIGHTER'S TWELVE CONFIRMED FOR SMASH /s

That joke could've worked had it not been for the fact that everyone was right about that Castlevania song screw-up.

In other news, here's another rumour for anyone interested in entertaining their speculative minds:

This leak came from 2ch (japanese textboard), and apparently has been there as far as January 2018 goes.
Spoiler: Character list (click to see content)

Now, this leak has gotten quite the discussion, as you can see in here:
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This is the January leak: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76899877

It was debunked on the basis of the site's whois (credit to SourceGaming): https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1029134656845766657
But there are several arguments that suggest that the leak is legitimate after all:

It has an active patreon with supporters: https://www.patreon.com/2chwin
The archive updated again as scheduled: http://www.2ch.win/aotd.html
It has a huge discord that has history dating back years: http://discordapp.com/invite/5kug84s
Small scale board archiving services often change domains to avoid trouble (their discord even says they do this): https://i.imgur.com/u95za7k.png
The site seems to be directly linked to 5ch: https://premium.5ch.net/

None of this is surefire proof that it's not fake, but it's enough to not completely write if off imo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 15, 2018, 01:19:51 pm
Actually, that leak already got debunked.
From what I have heard, the website it was on was filled with dates like the 2nd of january, but the domain of the site was only created a day or two ago.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 15, 2018, 01:36:37 pm
I'm more a fan of the recently revived Gardevoir with Gothitelle clone leak.

https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-gardevoir-and-gothitelle-are-playable-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/

I don't put an exceptional amount of stock into it.  Not without a gen 7 pokemon confirmed beforehand so the newest generation doesn't get left out for the old.  But I'm not against it, Gardevoir being super-popular, a representative of gen 3 in first appearance, gen 6 as the Final Boss of the Elite Four and having not yet shown up in Ultimate's variety of Poke Balls to deconfirm.  Gothitelle's odd but easy to do if you have a base, because sure, it is just a less impressive Gardevoir, reps gen 5 and apparently is somewhat popular in Japan.  There's been weirder choices on the roster already.

Also I'd personally just like this to be true because if I can't get my second favorite pokemon in, I'll take third with Gardevoir.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on August 15, 2018, 08:35:29 pm
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Wlb-dr84nrQ[/youtube]

The composers that did 3D World and Xenoblade series

Legit good.

This is so lit, it's crazy!
One of my favourite tunes, redefined.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 15, 2018, 11:56:58 pm
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Wlb-dr84nrQ[/youtube]

The composers that did 3D World and Xenoblade series

Legit good.

Need lyrics, ASAP!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 17, 2018, 01:29:58 pm
I'm more a fan of the recently revived Gardevoir with Gothitelle clone leak.

https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-gardevoir-and-gothitelle-are-playable-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/


Sounds like people who still have a crush on Gardevoir after all of these years are being quite hopeful.

Although I am surprised that the Gardevoir-lovers are still a thing these days. You don't hear about them as much as in the past.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on August 17, 2018, 04:34:00 pm
Just because you don't hear much about them, doesn't mean that they still don't do stuff for the Pokémon. I do see the dedication to them though. The only Pokémon I do see as Mewtwo's Echo is Gardevoir, but then again not every fighter will get an echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2018, 12:17:05 am
Frankly, with such attention garnered just causing a nauseating amount of fanservice-related fan works, when not straight pornographic, it's nice that people finally shut up about it.  Can just like the character for what it is without annoying assumed stipulations attached.

So in other not really noteworthy news, Blizzard is interested in getting Diablo some role in Smash.

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/08/17/blizzard-senior-producer-pete-stilwell-says-that-hed-love-to-have-diablo-be-a-playable-guest-character-in-smash-ultimate/

Now, look.  I know they're most likely kidding around, surely they're aware at the obvious problems that come from playing Literal Satan in Super Smash Bros. with its rating, never mind the lack of relevance to Nintendo, current popular games, historical value or ease of character building.  But wouldn't Overwatch make SO much more sense?  I don't even care for it, not until it gets a single-player mode to get into that Pixar-like world, but anyone can see the mass appeal and reach that game's made.  Tracer honestly without any bias for or against would easily transfer over to a Smash character, with her low-range guns like Mega Man, teleportation for recovery, sticky bombs and timey-windy stuff for other special attacks, however that chestpiece works.

That said, you know what I would just DIE for, because it was my PC game of choice growing up?  Some of Diablo's soundtrack to be playable.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 18, 2018, 12:22:41 am
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2018, 12:37:01 am
Eh, I said it wasn't particularly noteworthy news.

I've seen people mention The Lost Vikings as an assist trophy, but you know, StarCraft was on the N64.  Now THAT'S a series with some video game history, that I could get behind being an assist trophy with some Zerglings and Hydralisks.  Maybe even Kerrigan or Jim Raynor.  I never played the sequel after Brood War, no idea who's still alive and kicking in it beyond redesigned Sarah and Jim.  But that's another series whose soundtrack getting a nod to in Smash would also be awesome.



Of course, that said, there's only one song above all others that deserves that spot.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 18, 2018, 01:04:44 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 18, 2018, 02:38:05 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.

Source on that? This would be the first time for me to hear that statement.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on August 18, 2018, 10:34:50 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.

That makes me sad because I'd actually really love to have Reimu over Shantae or Sans
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 21, 2018, 06:07:22 am
But, then again, how many people even know of Touhou at all?

While it is growing in popularity, I seriously think it is relatively unknown outside of Japan. And if it did gain massive exposure, I do think a lot of people would instinctively dismiss it a weeaboo fad. No offense, but the series has this weird Japanese aura to it, to the point where it might turn people off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on August 21, 2018, 06:42:46 am
Ironically that might end up actually working in its favor to have a rep in Smash since Sakurai is known for putting in at least one "Who the fuck is this?" character in every Smash game so....who knows?

Not saying its gonna happen and I'm certainly not holding my breath but....its still a possibility
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on August 21, 2018, 07:34:03 am
But, then again, how many people even know of Touhou at all?

While it is growing in popularity, I seriously think it is relatively unknown outside of Japan. And if it did gain massive exposure, I do think a lot of people would instinctively dismiss it a weeaboo fad. No offense, but the series has this weird Japanese aura to it, to the point where it might turn people off.

Okay, speaking as a non-weebo person who generally dislikes any anime made after 1995, I had never heard of Touhou before getting into Mugen. Now that I know about it, I find it really... really weird and creepy.

Like My little pony fandom, or Furry levels of weird and also creepy.

I would advise Nintendo stay very much away from it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 21, 2018, 07:51:27 am
You're looking at the fan base.  It's a basic rule for EVERYTHING not to judge a subject solely by its followers.  From what I've seen, Touhou in of itself is fairly harmless.  Shump with harmless if not standout anime style about turning beaten bosses into allies.  About as risqué as Sonic the Hedgehog.  Probably less-so, at least Sega intentionally went full bizarre sex appeal with creating Rogue the Bat.

That said, Touhou also seems to be a weird case of surviving by the graces of fan reinterpretation and exploitation.  I'm not sure how much canon material there is that people actually look forward to being in a proper representation of anything out of that series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 21, 2018, 12:01:49 pm
The official printworks are effectively the franchise's way of fleshing out its characters since the main shmups don't do a particularly amazing job at that; for instance, you'd never know the latest final boss, Okina, has the ability to create youkai by filling an object with energy produced by putting a door on its back if you only played Hidden Star in Four Seasons, as this was only explained in the Wild and Horned Hermit manga.

Frankly I'm surprised people genuinely think Touhou has a chance of being represented in Smash at all. Every third party has some history with Nintendo (Bayonetta is effectively second-party at this point, plus she was voted in), even Cloud, who (despite his game not being on a Nintendo console) represents the Final Fantasy series as a whole due to how iconic he is. Touhou has a few crappy fan games on the Switch and saw some of its characters appear in the 3DS Taiko Drum Master game, and that's it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 21, 2018, 01:08:38 pm
I don't know how much accuracy there is to the rumor, but I believe it's because there was a revived rumor from back in Melee in which Sakurai showed interest in adding Reimu as he personally liked the character?  Granted, Sakurai wants many odd choices that never go beyond that initial stage, or else we'd have ExciteBike as a playable character.

I'm nor for or against it myself.  From a objective standpoint, we haven't had a shump character representation yet, so that could be cool, but typically the very character design of such a game character wouldn't translate well into Smash without nerfing the character.  But then, so is pretty much everyone else.  You don't see Samus with the Ice Beam freezing people and killing them with missiles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MAO11 on August 21, 2018, 01:42:44 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.

Source on that? This would be the first time for me to hear that statement.

probably , except if sakurai proved himself in a drink off against zun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 21, 2018, 01:47:21 pm
Some King K. Rool gameplay for those interested:



Looks like the crown can be dropped on the stage and used as an item.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 21, 2018, 04:39:26 pm
but typically the very character design of such a game character wouldn't translate well into Smash without nerfing the character.
That only counts if you go by the shmups, since the fighting games give the characters more physical moves; the projectile spam typically comes from the bullet button (B), rather than the specials themselves (C). If you go by Reimu's moveset in AoCF, which functions very similarly to Smash in the sense of moves being direction-based...
-5C/Neutral Special has her dash diagonally up and then diagonally down (reversed when on the lower plane).
-6C/Forward Special has her fire four quick projectiles that fan out slightly as they move forward.
-8C/Up Special is essentially Guile's Flash Kick.
-4C/Back Special has her fire a barrier some distance in front of her that hits once and nullifies projectiles.
-2C/Down Special has her disappear before reappearing with a dive kick.

Of course, Smash only needs four of those five, but then if you're going to represent the shmup genre, it'd make sense to incorporate projectiles a little more into the moveset as opposed to being mostly melee-based.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 21, 2018, 06:07:51 pm
Some King K. Rool gameplay for those interested
Oh man, the setup with the blunderbuss on that first stock was dirty as hell.  Can’t wait to see more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 21, 2018, 06:26:04 pm
Yeah, I thought it was pretty sick. I'm really glad we got to see more of his moveset. I'm liking it more and more. I thought he looked a little small in his reveal trailer, but this gameplay footage thankfully alleviates that issue.

In the Japanese version of this video, his name is pronounced King "Kruel". I pray to god they pronounce it "Kay Rool" over here in the states like they do in that video I linked to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on August 21, 2018, 06:52:17 pm
It's always been his name in Japanese, kuruuru. Why would you think the English pronunciation will suddenly change for no reason just because you're only discovering this now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xhominid on August 21, 2018, 08:17:09 pm
What makes it funnier is that was ALWAYS supposed to be the case.
K.Rool is damn near a literal anagram of Cruel.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 21, 2018, 09:58:26 pm
Love the new hit sparks and effects.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 21, 2018, 11:12:51 pm
K. Rool's potential as a fighter after seeing this is far past my expectations. He's got some nasty stuff here. Downside I see only is that opponents can turn his own crown against him via projectile.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 21, 2018, 11:55:51 pm
The downside is that he's fat and will be combo fodder for the likes of over half the roster.

But he's still fun to play from the looks of the gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 22, 2018, 12:27:05 am
There’s also a video showcasing Chrom and Dark Samus. 



Chrom looks like he hits hard and fast, but his recovery is abysmal.

:EDIT:  Bit of a surprising music track in today’s blog; It’s the main menu theme from Fire Emblem Heroes.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 22, 2018, 02:24:54 pm
... will be combo fodder for the likes of over half the roster.

You know that could describe all of the characters in every fighting game ever, yes? So I do not really see how this is a unique downside, or a downside at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 23, 2018, 07:04:34 pm


Quote
Today's Fighter
#59: Duck Hunt
This duo excels at long-range attacks, like kicking exploding cans and throwing clay pigeons. For their Final Smash, three games from the Light Gun Series team up: Duck Hunt, Hogan's Alley, and Wild Gunman!

so in other words it's the same final smash from the previous game right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 23, 2018, 10:40:07 pm
more or less yes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 24, 2018, 12:31:41 am
Mister “I’m not leaking anything else” Vergeben  is back again.  (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/99loqh/vergeben_has_leaked_information_about_another/) This time he’s claiming his source says that there’s another Square-Enix character on the way, but wouldn’t say who it is.

Since Cloud’s still being billed as being from FF7 specifically, it’s probably not another Final Fantasy character.  Maybe we’ll finally see Geno in Smash?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 24, 2018, 12:47:51 am
Mister “I’m not leaking anything else” Vergeben  is back again.  (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/99loqh/vergeben_has_leaked_information_about_another/) This time he’s claiming his source says that there’s another Square-Enix character on the way, but wouldn’t say who it is.

Since Cloud’s still being billed as being from FF7 specifically, it’s probably not another Final Fantasy character.  Maybe we’ll finally see Geno in Smash?

many people are thinking that sora from the kingdom hearts series is gonna be in it but we'll see what happens
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 24, 2018, 12:51:38 am
Would be cool, though the easy money's on Cloud clone with Zach.  I'd enjoy a Dragon Quest rep for sure.  It'd probably be a more recent one, but besides Monsters, my most played and enjoyed entry in the series was with III, so I'd love to have the protagonist from that in.  Can even do the Robin/Corrin thing and have both male and female avatars.

(https://cdn57.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Dragon-Quest-3-710x390.jpg)


But if we end up just stuck with Final Fantasy, I'd be equally happy if we got another FF VII rep that's more than just a clone.  Tifa in Smash would be absolutely awesome.  Sephiroth would be even better, but I'm not sure how you'll get around his sword reaching one end of the stage to the other without making it look weird shortening it.  I'm not confident with the many rights between not just Square Enix but Disney as well to sort through to get Sora in, but I'd be beyond ecstatic to play as him.

Oh.  I'm just wishing now, but it just struck me that Tomb Raider is a Square Enix property now.  My god, I would LOVE to play as Lara Croft in Smash.  Classic look with Anniversary era reboot and modern reboot outfit for alts, twin handguns like Bayonetta, rappelling line for grabs, maybe borrowing some grenade stuff from Snake or bows and pickaxe from her modern reboot stuff?  It's not going to happen, but I'm loving just imagining how it'd turn out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 24, 2018, 06:36:41 am
Another day, another Vergeben rumor, eh?

I'd totally be down for Geno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on August 24, 2018, 08:13:06 am
Sora's techically a Disney character so it probs wont be him.
My money's on Neku personally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 24, 2018, 04:44:42 pm
Sora's techically a Disney character so it probs wont be him.
My money's on Neku personally.

mine's on geno since its mii outfit in the previous game is foreshadowing
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on August 24, 2018, 05:13:01 pm
It's obviously Lara Croft you guys
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 06:55:30 pm
If anything, if we do get another FF7 rep, my best bet would be either Tifa or Aeris. Sure Aeris is dead but there's still a possibility. We got Metal Face as a hazard/boss and he's dead in his game of origin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on August 24, 2018, 06:58:07 pm
Sure Aeris is dead
what
So are Mario, Megaman and Luigi
but there's a Spirits mode.

oh wait you're seriously thinking that characters who have died in their original game can't participate in a crossover for some reason ? Why
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 07:10:17 pm
Idk, just an odd feeling I had in mind
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on August 24, 2018, 07:18:54 pm
If I can only use post-Brawl Mario, Smash 4 Mega Man, and Luigi, I guess I can't ever play that mode. I'm bad at using all of them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 24, 2018, 08:38:04 pm
If anything, if we do get another FF7 rep, my best bet would be either Tifa or Aeris. Sure Aeris is dead but there's still a possibility. We got Metal Face as a hazard/boss and he's dead in his game of origin.
I feel like if Square was willing to let Sakurai do anything else with FF7, they would have let him use more than two songs.

Honestly Geno might actually be the most likely pick, if only because they’ve already gotten permission to use the character’s likeness in Smash with that Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on August 24, 2018, 09:55:29 pm
Vergeben also said a few days ago that Ken would come too. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76915219?jumpto=13#13)

Also, I'm sure the SE character he's talking about is definitely Geno. Sakurai has already stated that he chosed this game's characters based on the ballot, (https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-newest-fighter-reveals-modes-and-more/) so it makes sense to bring him in

Quote
When deciding what fighters would be included in this game, we used Smash for Wii U/3DS’ character survey as reference.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 10:03:16 pm
If what he says is true, now all we need is Bison to complete the trio since both of them defeated Bison in the movie, killed him together in PxZ2 and Bison brainwashed Ken to use him to kill Ryu.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 24, 2018, 11:32:24 pm
I highly doubt any of the third party franchises are going to get another rep that isn't an Echo. Ryu's the original, Ken's the Echo, Bison's the (assist) trophy if you're lucky.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 11:55:32 pm
I'll take him as a collectible trophy if possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 25, 2018, 12:39:18 am
You know, is there a slim chance Sagat could be in? He was the first final boss in the NES version of Street Fighter before Bison. I can see why Bison gets in, arch nemesis of the franchise and greater recognition.

Personally, I'd be interested in seeing Chun-Li for a cameo (not necessarily a fighter). As it stands, including echoes, optional costumes and participating partners (Ice Climbers), Smash has 18 female characters, give or take.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 25, 2018, 12:48:25 am
Probably not even high on the list of possible reasons to consider characters or not, but it occurs to me with Ryu's boosted power to his moves by replicating their movements in Street Fighter compared to basic Smash button presses, Chun-Li's might be problematic with stages with multiple levels.  I can picture the aggravation people would have trying to perform a superior Spinning Bird Kick and then accidently just fall through the floor.

Ken as an echo feels both fitting and taking a step backwards personally.  He started as a Ryu clone, but over the number of Street Fighter games that have come out has further and further distanced himself from being a one-for-one copy of Ryu.  And making him an echo fighter instead of just being similar like Lucas to Ness in Smash would just lose some of that charm.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 25, 2018, 11:11:38 am
Well, we have Chrom he has Aether despite being a Roy echo.

Honestly, after Chrom appeared, it's become kinda vague as to what limitations an echo must abide by.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 25, 2018, 12:01:03 pm
Dark Samus is floatier than Samus and appears to have a shorter but quicker roll dodge. At this point it feels like an Echo is a character that uses another character as a base, but only starting from Sm4sh; they can have any number of differences compared to the original while still clearly being based on that character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on August 25, 2018, 02:09:54 pm
I respect Ken for being "Mr. Echo" , but I honestly rather want Akuma or Sakura. At least they will be very much different from Ryu than Ken could be, Still, I think if there is a second, Ken makes sense. Chun-Li would be epic too, but I can see her as an Assist Trophy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 26, 2018, 04:28:57 am
(cross-quote)

Geese as a guest in Tekken7

Mai as a guest in DOA

Terry as a guest in both Fighting Layer EX and King of Combat (with Benimaru as well in this game)

and now Iori in Million Arthur Arcana Blood ?

If SNK appeared in Super Smash Bros., who would you see making it? SNK doesn't have much reps, but Athena did appear in NES, and SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy is on the Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 04:32:46 am
I would say Leona, Ralf or Clark. Preferably Leona.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 26, 2018, 04:44:20 am
If SNK were to get someone in the game, it would have to be the face of their most recognizable series, which I would imagine would be King of Fighters and Metal Slug.  So Kyo or Marco.  Fittingly, Kyo would transition fine to a Smash fighter, while Marco with various other Metal Slug items would work well as an assist trophy.

Not out of the realm of possibility, SNK has been porting a large portion of their library to all the various consoles, including the Switch, but I don't think anyone's really pining for a SNK character in Smash, and certainly not in the initial base roster.  But you never know with DLC what can come.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 26, 2018, 06:09:23 am
I'd expect a KOF rep if we were getting an SNK character.
Probably Kyo or Iori.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on August 26, 2018, 06:16:46 am
I could see Athena getting in as promotion for the heroines game. Plus SNK uses her almost as much as Kyo, she's in every KOF, CvS, SvC, the girly fighters, the TCG games, their dating sims, the bullet hell arcade thing, the pachinko things, the rythmn game thing.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 26, 2018, 01:01:25 pm
SNK really isn’t that well known outside the FGC these days.  The only character that immediately springs to mind as being recognizable at a casual level is Terry.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 26, 2018, 01:35:07 pm
(cross-quote)

Geese as a guest in Tekken7

Mai as a guest in DOA

Terry as a guest in both Fighting Layer EX and King of Combat (with Benimaru as well in this game)

and now Iori in Million Arthur Arcana Blood ?

If SNK appeared in Super Smash Bros., who would you see making it? SNK doesn't have much reps, but Athena did appear in NES, and SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy is on the Switch.

mine would have to be either billy kane from fatal fury, eiji kisaragi from art of fighting 2 because there hasn't been a third party ninja character yet, or nakoruru from samurai shodown
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on August 26, 2018, 01:51:13 pm
SNK in Smash?
Haohmaru would be my ideal choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 26, 2018, 02:45:40 pm
According to a possible leak from Best Buy Canada (https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-you-can-unlock-characters-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate-by-tapping-their-amiibo/), you may be able to use amiibos to instantly unlock characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 26, 2018, 03:25:26 pm
According to a possible leak from Best Buy Canada (https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-you-can-unlock-characters-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate-by-tapping-their-amiibo/), you may be able to use amiibos to instantly unlock characters.

i read that on twitter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 04:14:23 pm
If the leak is true then I will have to stop at nothing to get the Amiibo I want.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 26, 2018, 04:18:19 pm
If the leak is true then I will have to stop at nothing to get the Amiibo I want.

and it'll be too easy to get characters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 04:38:04 pm
only if you're the type that'll just throw money out just to quickly unlock the fighters instead of saving money and try to unlock them by meeting the unlock criteria.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 26, 2018, 05:32:03 pm
Unless they intend to throw in stupid prerequisites to unlock people like Mewtwo's old unlock in Melee, I can't imagine it being that big a deal.  Just run through Classic a few times, probably unlock a few through whatever that new mode that's likely Story mode, the few left shouldn't be worth the $15 or more.

I mean, people will still buy them, I'm tempted, but not specifically for that use.  I liked the training their A.I. aspect from Smash 4, would hope they can still be used for that purpose too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 11:27:08 pm
They did said that Amiibo data from Smash 4 can be transferred to Ultimate so whatever level your Amiibo's AI is at, it'll carry over. And of course it'll function like in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 27, 2018, 03:57:58 am
Amiibos can be used to unlock characters, eh?

That's neat, but I think I'll probably just play through that green mode (AKA "Spirits") to unlock them... assuming, of course, that characters can be unlocked in that mode in the first place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 27, 2018, 10:47:59 am
I imagine that (semi-)clones/Echoes would also be unlocked in the traditional fashion of beating Classic Mode with the original character, so beating it with Pikachu would net you Pichu.

I mean, I hope that's the case.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 27, 2018, 11:05:31 am
Man, I remember the days where I had to unlock Ganondorf by playing Classic as Captain Falcon.

I wonder if we'll get any echos/clones where the original character is from a different series again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 27, 2018, 04:11:20 pm
SNK in Smash?
Haohmaru would be my ideal choice.
Kyo or naku would be pretty good because of both popularity and fighting mechanics.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MotorRoach on August 27, 2018, 04:45:29 pm
Kyo would be a perfect fit, in my opinion. I mean, his rekka could work much like Marth's side B, from the way I see it.

Plus, Kyo has yet to make a guest appearance into another game. Even Iori got to do it before he did lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 28, 2018, 12:19:20 am
Amiibos can be used to unlock characters, eh?

That's neat, but I think I'll probably just play through that green mode (AKA "Spirits") to unlock them... assuming, of course, that characters can be unlocked in that mode in the first place.

All I'm hoping for is that they actually make the unlockable characters require a little effort to encounter. Smash 4 pretty much defeated the purpose of having secret characters, the criteria were so easy to meet.

I could go for some off-the-wall Melee style requirements.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on August 28, 2018, 12:22:23 am
Sorry, but if an SNK character is going to be in Smash, it’s gotta be Terry. There is no question. Terry is the most iconic SNK has to offer. Even if Nakoruru has rivaled or even surpassed him in popularity, there’s still no way Terry wouldn’t make it in. That being said, a SNK character in Smash Bros is very unlikely. I’d say Shantae has a better chance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RoySquadRocks on August 28, 2018, 01:33:55 am
I’d say Shantae has a better chance.
Atta boy, PBRTODD!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 28, 2018, 03:32:48 am
Hopefully they'll give us the 2 unlock methods with one obvious method being playing enough Smash Battles while the other being clearing Classic Mode or whatnot. I hope they don't make certain fighters difficult to unlock because not everyone who plays Smash plays it professionally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on August 28, 2018, 10:57:04 am
All I'm hoping for is that they actually make the unlockable characters require a little effort to encounter. Smash 4 pretty much defeated the purpose of having secret characters, the criteria were so easy to meet.

I could go for some off-the-wall Melee style requirements.
Hell no, I'm not leaving my Switch on overnight to unlock a character.

I'm of the opposite camp and am hoping character unlocks are trivial and easy like Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 28, 2018, 10:59:39 am
I could go for some off-the-wall Melee style requirements.

As long as it's not Mewtwo's.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 29, 2018, 04:09:10 am
This week’s song is an arrangement of the main theme from Yoshi’s New Island by Shota Kageyama.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 31, 2018, 04:06:44 am
returning from super smash bros brawl  it's wolf from star fox 64



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Today's Fighter
#44: Wolf
The leader of the Star Wolf mercenary team makes his grand return after 10 years! He puts his sharp claws to good use in wild attacks, and his Final Smash is an all-out attack by Team Star Wolf! If Fox or Falco is in the battle, you may hear a unique line of dialog.

also like fox and falco, i'm very glad they change wolf's final smash the entire star wolf is here as a cameo appearance

rip landmaster
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 31, 2018, 04:56:00 am
Now my question is... how angled is the launch from the attack? I noticed Fox and Falco's Final Smash launch angles are different from each other with Falco's being more up-angled than Fox's.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 31, 2018, 05:00:25 am
Now my question is... how angled is the launch from the attack? I noticed Fox and Falco's Final Smash launch angles are different from each other with Falco's being more up-angled than Fox's.

and not to mentions falco's a wild flier during his final smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2018, 03:16:42 am
Fortress Boss from SMB3 is this week’s song, with a new arrangement by Akihiro Honda of Metal Gear Solid and Zone of the Enders acclaim.



That fucking violin goes in HARD.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on September 05, 2018, 10:44:42 pm
Tomorrow, there will be a new Nintendo Direct! While it's not a Smash one, I think it's safe to assume there'll be some kind of Smash news here.

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1037339567630639109

My short predictions:
1 new fighter tacked on at the end.
1 or 2 new echo fighters announced alongside the new character. Maybe they'll even take a different route and announce echoes throughout the whole direct?
A teaser of what that green mode is?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 05, 2018, 11:14:20 pm
I... kind of doubt this direct will focus on Smash at all. The only thing I would hope to see is if they announce an actual full-on Smash direct date.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 05, 2018, 11:55:09 pm
my prediction for tomorrow's direct:

some smash bros ultimate news

newcomer during that sort of news

some echo fighters to be added more

more stages from previous games to be added

that's it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: wheezehh on September 06, 2018, 12:17:59 am
my prediction for tomorrow's direct:

some smash bros ultimate news

newcomer during that sort of news

some echo fighters to be added more

more stages from previous games to be added

that's it

they already have all the maps already from previous installments so they they'd probably have new ones. i'm just hoping that they talk about that rumored "spirits" mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 12:29:25 am
I would imagine if this isn't specifically focused on Smash, they wouldn't devout such little time to reveal something supposedly so big as a new story mode.  That can wait.  I'm gonna go along with the nothing to small news crowd.  At most maybe one of those new character with clone leaks, like Gardevoir/Gothitelle, but I'm not really holding out for it.

Would be nice if they gave us Yoshi news.  Would be over the moon if we got some Metroid news.  But timing like this, end of summer going into fall, I'd imagine it's here to prop up later year purchases.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 12:32:03 am
It’s a Nintendo direct, not a Smash direct, so don’t expect too much.  At most, one new character trailer and maybe an echo if they’re from the same series,  like they did with Simon and Richter.

Come on, Porky Minch with Ninten as a Ness/Lucas echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 12:40:34 am
Man, now you got me thinking about that hypothetical Giygas as a Mewtwo echo I threw out a while ago.  Still think that would be a real cool idea, another villain, multi-game Mother representation.  Not that I at all expect it still, just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 12:45:31 am
Ever since I saw it brought up,  Porky in his spider mechanic from the end of Earthbound has been my most wanted newcomer.  I’m imagining him using moves from his boss fight in Brawl combined with PSI, and his final smash could be unleashing Giygas.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: wheezehh on September 06, 2018, 12:47:33 am
i like yall's arguments but ridley and king k rool had a minute or two of screen time/reveal trailer and those were big things. I imagine it as right at the end of of the direct the person whos doin announcments will be like "heres one more thing that we would like you to look at" or "we have one more surprise; please take a look" or some thing like that.

sorry if my responses are a little late im not a speedy typer
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 12:56:19 am
I'd enjoy Porky, but he has a similar issue to Ridley with size but the other end.  In Brawl they were able to portray it best with the spider behind huge because his body in the middle still needs to be proportionately the right size.  To shrink that spider down to a playable character size would also mean shrinking the actual Porky inside to, like, the size of Mario's hand.  Unless they update the robot coffin's design to be much more form-fitting, almost like an Iron Man/Doc Ock fusion or something, I'd imagine it just looking weird on the kid himself.  I'm sure it can be done, just trying to picture it in my head it doesn't seem fitting.

D'oh, it just cleared my head that you meant Earthbound and not Mother 3.  This thing.
(https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/7465/783394-super_smash_bros_brawl_20080125113351204.jpg)
Well, disregard most of that, this can work better, if still needs to probably be shrunk a little to Bowser's size.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 01:07:15 am
I mean it’s a single-person vehicle sized for a child.  If Porky’s body was the same size as Ness’, the mech would be about Bowser-sized at best.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 01:13:08 am
Yeah, I just straight mis-read you post.  Basically Smash version of Tron Bonne, I suppose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 01:16:15 am
Basically.

I’m imagining a final smash where he rips open a portal and the background changes to the fucked up Giygas sprite and he launches everyone like 5-Volt on Gamer and I’m gonna be really bummed when that never happens.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: wheezehh on September 06, 2018, 01:37:26 am
it would be pretty cool if porky was in the game but i think lack of mother/earthbound fans asking for it would probably mean we wouldn't get him

plus that final smash sounds op
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on September 06, 2018, 09:36:32 am
inb4 no smash news
If we're going to have at least one newcomer revealed per direct, and all new characters revealed before the game releases, what's the minimum amount of characters we'll get?
Anyone here familar with the frequency of Nintendo Directs?
EDIT:
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Due to the powerful earthquake in Hokkaido, Japan, we have decided to delay this week’s planned Nintendo Direct. We will provide a new time and date in the near future. Thank you for your understanding.
https://twitter.com/nintendoeurope/status/1037596415999004672?s=21
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on September 06, 2018, 10:43:26 am
I'm worried for people in Japan than the direct itself.
Stay safe folks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 06, 2018, 02:00:34 pm
Yeah some of the comments on that post is sickening and selfish. I hope everyone is alright over there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 06, 2018, 10:43:44 pm
I pray for the victims and their families
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 07, 2018, 05:36:14 am
This just proves that majority of people living in this world harbor onto the worst aspects of humanity.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 07, 2018, 09:21:02 am
A tweet from Nintendo of America:

Due to the powerful earthquake in Hokkaido, Japan, we have decided to delay this week’s planned Nintendo Direct. We will provide a new time and date in the near future. Thank you for your understanding.

Edit: Whoops. Someone beat me to the punch already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 07, 2018, 01:39:40 pm
Well, the blog didn’t update yesterday so it looks like there was definitely something in the direct for Smash they were going to cover.  If the direct isn’t rescheduled soon, we’ll probably hear it first from the next issue of Famitsu that’s already gone to print.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 07, 2018, 05:26:07 pm
i heard a rumor that a nintendo direct may be rescheduled due to a splatoon 2 datamine

https://nintendoeverything.com/splatoon-2-datamine-may-suggest-that-the-next-nintendo-direct-will-now-air-on-september-13/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 09, 2018, 03:13:08 pm
In somewhat disappointing news, David Hayter said at a recent panel (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/09/snakes_voice_actor_says_new_codecs_have_not_been_recorded_for_super_smash_bros_ultimate) that he has not been asked to record any new codec conversations for Ultimate.  He did say he would want to do one for every character given the chance, but Nintendo hasn’t had him do it yet.

There’s still a few weeks until the game goes gold, so it’s possible they’re just saving that for last.  Still,  I’d be more than a little bummed if the codec easter eggs didn’t make it back along with Snake.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 09, 2018, 03:21:29 pm
I'll be disappointed myself... I hope they bring back Palutena's Guidance but with the codec thing being somehow uncertain, I have a feeling we may not get that easter egg back either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 09, 2018, 04:53:23 pm
They could have a similar new easter egg, just as how Pit replaced Snake's codex talks.  Except I don't know who, I'd say Simon for CastleVania being the new star series to be introduced but he's not really known for talking.  If anything it would be Alucard talking with Death about the players, which isn't really an option with him not being playable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 09, 2018, 05:10:00 pm
The most common one I’ve seen tossed around would be Splatoon style commentary from Callie and Marie or Pearl and Marina, but since they don’t actually speak IDK how effective that would be in-game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 09, 2018, 05:34:20 pm
Ohh, I like that idea.  Especially with how sassy they get when pestered.  The codex and Pit's thing had actual dialog boxes, they can still have the 2/4 of them speaking Inkling and just have it translated in the text below.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 10, 2018, 01:03:22 am
inb4 they do it with Star Fox instead with Slippy and/or Peppy giving Fox an analysis on fighters and how to deal with them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 10, 2018, 05:43:19 am
it's time for another today's fighter in which we'll be covering mario's main antagonist: bowser



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Today's Fighter
#14: Bowser
Who's the greatest nemesis of all!? It's King Bowser! In Super Smash Bros. his power and weight make him a reliable fighter. Use his Fire Breath to keep opponents at bay, then use his damaging attacks to launch them off the stage! He transforms into Giga Bowser for his Final Smash and delivers a super powerful punch!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 12, 2018, 03:00:12 am
This week’s music is the Pikmin main theme.



Holy hells, a Pikmin remix that’s actually appropriate to fight to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 12:40:46 am
Isabelle confirmed! Hells yes!  Looks like she might be more of a semi-clone of Villager rather than an echo.  Either way, she looks great!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 14, 2018, 12:42:18 am
Heh, didn't see that coming.

If I didn't already have a Switch, I'd totally get that bundle. I'd really like to have that dock.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 14, 2018, 12:44:16 am
I wish I played or got the real appeal to Animal Crossing to get more behind this, but she looks cute, character looks different enough from Villager in moveset that I'm cool with it.  Maybe I'll see what the deal is with the new Switch Animal Crossing next year.

Lack of Sakurai this video is sure gonna throw theorists into a frenzy that those colored chairs last video are still relevant for the next Smash direct.

So, uh, with FF VII getting a nice little port to Switch, along with IX, X and X-2, can we NOW get more FF music in Smash?  Also as an aside I'm suddenly wondering why they haven't bundled the XIII titles together with your typical remastering.  But then, I'm also wondering at the VIII-sized gap in that list of ports, so whatever, derailing to not-Smash stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on September 14, 2018, 12:45:58 am
It's so unexpected to see Isabelle being a playable character!
I'm actually a little dissapointed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 12:46:26 am
Just checked the Smash site and she’s listed as fighter 68.  So yes, she’s not an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on September 14, 2018, 12:49:32 am
Sigh... It should've been fine if she was an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 14, 2018, 12:50:23 am
Isabelle confirmed! Hells yes!  Looks like she might be more of a semi-clone of Villager rather than an echo.  Either way, she looks great!

not to mention her final smash is alot similar to villager's only instead of a home it's a town hall of some sort
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 12:52:17 am
Sigh... It should've been fine if she was an echo fighter.

That would have been fine, yes.  But this is better!  I’m just so happy to see her in at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 14, 2018, 12:54:21 am
Sigh... It should've been fine if she was an echo fighter.

That would have been fine, yes.  But this is better!  I’m just so happy to see her in at all.

like little mac she too was once an assist trophy in the previous game and now she's playable
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 14, 2018, 12:57:10 am
I can see Ranai breaking this character in majors already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 14, 2018, 01:19:58 am
I randomly picked Isabelle in Mario Kart 8 so I know her a bit. Now she's a fighter? That surprised me, really. Glad we got a new fighter in general in today's direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on September 14, 2018, 01:26:09 am
Isabelle is not an entirely unexpected character, imo, but still a very welcome addition to the ultimate battle!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 14, 2018, 01:29:18 am
Yeah. Now we sit at 68 fighters (74 if you count echoes)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 14, 2018, 01:43:48 am
The leaks so far have been on point, aside from Isabelle not an Echo Fighter.  The remaining ones are a Square Enix character (Geno) and a Gen 7 Pokémon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 02:35:46 am
Looking over the gameplay footage some more, I’m impressed with how they worked Isabelle’s role in Animal Crossing into her moves.  Building public works projects like signs and swings, maintaining the town hall, and celebrating the player’s achievements; They totally could have gotten away with making her an echo and nobody would’ve complained, but they put in the extra work for Isabelle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 01:37:03 pm
A couple of leaks/rumors/news/whatever you want to call it just popped up:

The latest issue of Corocoro had an article on Smash, claiming that at least 108 stages are in the game (https://imgur.com/a/Y24VaBn).  If this is legit, it would mean the 103 stage count from the last direct wasn’t final.

Also, Vergeben’s back again,  (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77008096/908847363)seemingly confirming that the Gen 7 Pokémon rep he mentioned before is in fact Incineroar, along with once again calling out Ken as an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on September 16, 2018, 02:15:42 pm
I think Isabelle is a perfect choice for Smash, and I'm happy they went out of their way to make her unique instead of a clone. Yes, more a semi-clone, but not an echo.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f3a2f9ee61179e33fd397aab9ae470c/tumblr_ouul5tXcql1req1eco2_500.gif)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 03:12:22 pm
Hm.  Out of the many different Pokémon there are, really would have liked it not to be Incineroar.  I just don't get the appeal, it's such a bland Pokemon with much better designed pre-evolutions, plus the whole diversity of Pokemon types would have been nice if they didn't go with another Fire but whatever.  Just not my guy to use then, leave it with the Fire Emblem cast I suppose.

Of course, what he goes on to say is all but straight confirmed true, we should expect plenty off post-launch content and see what else DLC brings us.  I would still like to see a number of Square Enix characters make the jump outside the fan favorite Geno, who'll likely make the initial roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 03:26:39 pm
One thing in Incineroar’s favor is that he already has the best final smash in the game baked into his move pool.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 03:37:15 pm
Eh.  I get it, but there's a line between funny and stupid, and personally that crosses the line.  I liked Primarina's spirit bomb or even Decidueye's tad bit boring raining arrows better.  Plus I feel like that would clash if used in Little Mac's stage?  Might just be looking too deep into that though, I mean, Captain Falcon just pulls a racetrack out of nowhere for his final smash.

It was just such a forgettable Pokémon for me that I practically almost never touched it, and only did because I got a shiny one in a wonder trade.  That I ended up banking anyways because I wasn't a fan of it.  More power to those who like it though I guess, seeing how sure this usually accurate leaker is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 03:56:41 pm
I mean I’ve always been a fan of Incineroar personally, but putting personal preferences aside I feel like he has the most potential for Smash.  They’ve never really had a dedicated grappler/wrestler type character, so that alone makes me interested to see how he’d play.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on September 16, 2018, 04:01:32 pm
Incineroar makes the most sense since he's literally a heel fighter already.
Plus he has plot armor due to Ash having one(or at least the pre evo)

Dunno how to feel about a possible Geno rep. On the one hand its well deserved and would potencially open the gates to actually rereleasing the game one day, along with getting more attention to the series as a whole.

On the other hand, Geno is so obvious. I hope they pull the rug from under us and have Neku or someone else but its probably Geno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 16, 2018, 04:18:48 pm
Eh.  I get it, but there's a line between funny and stupid, and personally that crosses the line.  I liked Primarina's spirit bomb or even Decidueye's tad bit boring raining arrows better.  Plus I feel like that would clash if used in Little Mac's stage?  Might just be looking too deep into that though, I mean, Captain Falcon just pulls a racetrack out of nowhere for his final smash.
Ice Climbers summon a giant Iceberg regardless what stage they are in, King K. Rool somehow teleports his opponents to Kong Island for him to nuke, Ridley and Fox/Falco/Wolf pulls the opponent to deep space, etc. 

Don't see how Incineroar's Z-move is the one that looks strange.  They are just Final Smashes.

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I just don't get the appeal
There is.  #1 traded Pokémon in GTS in the past, #1 choice in Pokémon Refresh (surprisingly; also both are from the official Global Link), #1 VGC '18 Pokémon, has a major movie role, frequent anime appearences to the point where there could be a chance the main character's Torracat can evolve into this in the future.

You'd be surprised to see how popular it is. 

I don't see the reason for Decidueye to be in Smash other than the fact it is a Final Stage Grass starter.  It's like Sceptile in the past after its Mega Form was shown.
Incineroar looks like it can have a diverse moveset with command grab possibilities combined with ranged projectiles.

While on the topic of what other Pokémon can work in Smash, Gardevoir would've been my second pick with Rowlet and Tapu Koko in third.

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On the other hand, Geno is so obvious. I hope they pull the rug from under us and have Neku or someone else but its probably Geno.
I never realized how much I want Neku as a playable character with badge mechanics.  Sadly, other than Geno and a couple of Mario RPG remixes, I have a feeling we won't see any other Square media in Smash (assist trophy, media, trophies) but I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 04:45:22 pm
Incineroar's is the one that can hypothetically pull a character into a little cutscene during the attack just like it does in Sun/Moon that just so happens to be done on a stage similar to one we already have as playable.  Ice Climber's iceberg is interactive on the actual stage, not pulling you away from it and K. Rool's doesn't have a matching stage.  It's just a little jarring to watch is all.  Not game breaking or anything but just weird to watch.

I'm not surprised at the cat's popularity.  I've known if it previously.  What I said was I don't get it.  It's not very appealing.  It seems there was very little thought put into its design process and does not appeal to me.  Cat wrestler with championship belt made of fire.  By all means, others can enjoy it and have fun, which it seems they do in droves, I'll just pass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 06:21:19 pm
When you phrase it like that, cat wrestler with a championship belt made of fire sounds way cooler than clown seal or owl with leaves.  :P

But it’s cool either way.  I don’t mean to be argumentative or say you need to change your mind or anything.  I was just throwing in my two cents.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 16, 2018, 06:50:38 pm
Personally, I would love to see an Alolan Starter in the game, and Incineroar has the best chance in my opinion. Even though I do like Primarina in general, Incineroar fits better when it comes to fighting, but Sakurai's team probably can figure out some stuff to make Primarina work. But that's only if they decide to put one in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 16, 2018, 11:44:30 pm
I have to say Incineroar has the best chance so far if Lycanroc isn't considered. I've been brain storming possible moves for its tilts and Smashes at work all day. Decidueye may also have a chance but it's already considered for Pokken as well as Sceptile.

As for Geno, that guy's only appeared twice in gaming history iirc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on September 16, 2018, 11:53:32 pm
Pokémon is an interesting story.

A lot of people were locking on Decidueye from the get go.
Suddenly, Mimikyu was the frontrunner ...

Then the debate about Decidueye or Incineroar.

Tapu Koko was thrown in now and then, and ...  BAM Lycanroc.

People can't really decide a Gen 7 choice, becuase there are NO clear frontrunners for the part.

Even Sceptile and Gardevoir are somewhat likley outside of the Gen 7 discussion due to ORAS being released and popular around the Ballot time. We have not seen Gardevoir return in a Pokéball yet, and Sceptile is a popular Grass evolution which would fill the gap which Charizard and Greninja have, while also representing R/S/E, which was a very succesfull generation for the games, it even blew GameFreak away about the reception, and is part of why Pokémon seems like a never ending story to this day.

I don't know. Incineroar does sound likely because of Verg, but I can take literally any Pokémon out of the ones mentioned and be ok, as there were no clear "I want THAT Pokémon" this time around for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 17, 2018, 01:18:23 am
Blech, how about none of 'em? Out of all the possible Pokemon I've heard people talk about, not a single one of them sounds good. Though to be fair, I didn't like Gen 7 and I can't think of any Pokemon that's Smash-worthy that isn't already in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 17, 2018, 01:21:50 am
Personally I would've liked them to go with an Ultra Beast, considering how important they are to Sun/Moon's plot, though my actual pick would've been Golisopod because it's Guzma's main Pokémon and it looks really freaking cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 17, 2018, 04:02:26 am
Golisopod would be fun, mixing it its mixture of being visually a terror with his ability forcing him to be a coward, retreating when hit with enough damage.  All the more so if they throw in Guzma in the background like Red/Leaf.

I actually haven't played Sun, Moon or the Ultras in a while now, did Golisopod have a Z-move of its own that I'm forgetting?  I mean, it's not a necessity, Greninja doesn't turn into Ash-Greninja this game and they actually downgraded Charizard back to the triple attack from Brawl.  But I think the most was that Guzma liked hording all the Bug Z-stones for himself.

Also this little hypothetical of Golisopod with Guzma has me pondering Giovanni in Smash with Persian, Nidoking and Rhydon as his triple to swap through compared to the Pokémon Trainer.  Man, I hate thinking of ideas that'll never come to pass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 17, 2018, 04:48:38 am
Golisopod never had its own Z-move. Only the Alolan starters, Lycanroc, Kommo-o, Mew, Snorlax, Marshadow, Pikachu, Eevee, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Alolan Raichu and Mimikyu had unique Z-moves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 17, 2018, 04:52:31 am
Shame.  Villain should have gotten something neat for himself, especially one they want to redeem.  Ah well, they just stole Strider Hiryu's moves for Greninja, they can make something up for a large samurai shrimp.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 17, 2018, 02:02:24 pm
At this point, we are just guessing on which Pokémon's going into the game. It could be a completely random Pokémon at this point, so I'll just wait and see who's going to make the cut.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on September 17, 2018, 02:08:06 pm
If we get an Ultra Beast, this is who I want to see!

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6375/a56c5d98a09ea11536f015d902afef81bada0757_00.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 17, 2018, 02:13:50 pm
If we get an Ultra Beast, this is who I want to see!

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6375/a56c5d98a09ea11536f015d902afef81bada0757_00.gif)


You know, I still need to beat Pokémon Moon, so I do not know what is that mosquito Pokémon is.

It is probably for the best. That thing is pretty freaky.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on September 17, 2018, 05:42:12 pm
If we get an Ultra Beast, this is who I want to see!

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6375/a56c5d98a09ea11536f015d902afef81bada0757_00.gif)


You know, I still need to beat Pokémon Moon, so I do not know what is that mosquito Pokémon is.

It is probably for the best. That thing is pretty freaky.

This is Buzzwole, a Ultra Beast. It's Sun's poster Ultra Beast. It's also perhaps the most popular out of the Ultra Beasts.

Haha. I can understand it might seem like a strange choice, but hell he would be cool imo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on September 17, 2018, 09:03:06 pm
Looks like we're getting closer for the game. I already have the Switch now and make sure to be careful right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on September 17, 2018, 10:23:10 pm
Incineroar is indeed a nice addition.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 18, 2018, 12:20:06 am
It occurred to me that because they also included the Pikachu Libre costume in this game, they could totally do Incineroar’s reveal trailer like cutting a wrestling promo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 18, 2018, 12:27:08 am
It occurred to me that because they also included the Pikachu Libre costume in this game, they could totally do Incineroar’s reveal trailer like cutting a wrestling promo.

I'd flip out if that was the case.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 19, 2018, 12:16:13 am
A Nintendo press kit just surfaced with renders of a bunch of characters’ alt costumes, including a new alt for Yoshi based on Crafted World.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 19, 2018, 01:45:02 am
Curious as to how they're going to be able to differentiate between that and regular Yoshi at such a small scale.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 19, 2018, 03:53:33 am
This week’s song is the title theme for Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer arranged by K.K. Slider himself, Kazumi Totaka.

Title: Are We THERE Yet?
Post by: no1wammy on September 21, 2018, 01:08:32 am
Since Simple Machines Forum does not have the ability to capture tweets in its Twitter form, I had to screencap this.

Until further notice, this is speculation.

(https://i.imgur.com/iqvIOtE.png)

Source Link: https://twitter.com/shinjihashimot3/status/1042898567159996416
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 21, 2018, 01:13:55 am
question relating to this: would you guys rather have geno or sora to be a part of smash

for me i'd rather have geno because many people have been requesting geno to be in smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 21, 2018, 04:25:54 am
Much as I like Kingdom Hearts, I don’t think Sora would be a good fit for Smash from a development standpoint. They’d have to tiptoe around all of the Disney stuff so hard to avoid being charged out the ass for licensing.  Like, the rights to use the Mickey head for the Kingdom Key’s keychain would probably cost them more than all of Sega, Konami and Capcom’s content combined.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on September 21, 2018, 06:17:39 am
Be that as it may, the fact that Shinji Hashimoto even answered emphatically, and the screen cap is immortalized (I won't be deleting this anytime soon), his word is a signal of things to come. If I were to do a Family Feud poll asking for the most wanted character in Smash, Sora would be number one. Sora for Smash is, as of today, inevitable.

For those worried about Nintendo requesting a license for the mouse logo keychain, I present to you an alternative, the Kingdom Hearts heart logo: http://logos.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on September 21, 2018, 06:20:55 am
If I were to do a Family Feud poll asking for the most wanted character in Smash, Sora would be number one.

That's an extremely bold claim, do you have the numbers to back it up?  And I mean actual numbers, not "I ran a poll on this one website and the users of that particular site said they wanted Sora" numbers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 21, 2018, 11:02:57 am
I wouldn't say he's number one, but by general overall view of websites, videos and polls I find people usually tend to throw him in there somewhere.  Within the top 10 seems more likely, which is still a great deal higher than many others people have been asking for.

I'd tend to agree that the licensing fees just to get him into anything would be a hassle, but then they also went out of their way to include him for something much more obscure as a summon in World of Final Fantasy.  If they can waste resources for him on something so small, I can imagine they would go to greater lengths to get him into something as big as Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 21, 2018, 04:46:40 pm
Fake leaks, grain of salt, yadda yadda, but this image started making the rounds today and if it’s fake it’s a damn good fake.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Requesting For French Translation (Disney and Smash)
Post by: no1wammy on September 21, 2018, 09:56:13 pm
I found this post by French Twitter user Algarade discussing the complications that could arise with Disney if Sora makes it into Smash. He also opines that Disney could impose a bar on crossovers with other owned venues like The Simpsons and Star Wars. The thread is in French and quite long, so I'll need some translation paraphrasing assistance. If anyone would like to translate this, it would be much appreciated.

Source: https://twitter.com/Pouapouap/status/1043142248337166344

EDIT:
That's an extremely bold claim, do you have the numbers to back it up?  And I mean actual numbers, not "I ran a poll on this one website and the users of that particular site said they wanted Sora" numbers.

I'll quote you four sources.

1. GameFAQs relay (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76814637) from Inside Games (Japanese) (https://www.inside-games.jp/article/2018/07/15/116161.html): Sora #5, Rex and Pyra #1
2. Source Gaming (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/06/10/mega-smash-poll-switch-results/): Sora 3.92% (223 - number one of Square Enix reps, 17 out of top 20), King K. Rool 8.98% (641, 1 overall)
3. Nintendo Life (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/feature_the_sadly_fictional_super_smash_bros_for_nintendo_switch_fighter_ballot_-_results): Sora #3 (501 votes), Inkling #1 (1007 votes)
4. Bagogames (https://bagogames.com/smash-bros-4-ballot-top-5-mentioned-characters-twitter/): Sora #4, Shovel Knight #1
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on September 21, 2018, 11:58:45 pm
If I were to do a Family Feud poll asking for the most wanted character in Smash, Sora would be number one. Sora for Smash is, as of today, inevitable.
Quote
*posts a bunch of polls where Sora isn't even number 1*

 :(

Seriously dude? 17th place in a poll = SORA IN SMASH IS INEVITABLE.

If Sora was in 2nd place just behind Inkling and K. Rool in the sources you posted, your argument would have some leg to stand ("Sora is the best from the rest!" ), but as for now you only proved that Sora is objectively not the most popular choice for Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on September 22, 2018, 01:16:18 am
If Sora was in 2nd place just behind Inkling and K. Rool in the sources you posted, your argument would have some leg to stand ("Sora is the best from the rest!" ), but as for now you only proved that Sora is objectively not the most popular choice for Smash.

It's not that bad, though. I did confirm Long John Killer's claim of relevancy, so I was fine with that. And about that 17th out of 20th place in that poll, what I was more interested in from that Source Gaming article was Sora being no. 1 out of all Square Enix reps. Behind him, in order, were Crono, 2B, Noctis Lucis Caelum and Neku Sakuraba.

So in three out of four polls, Sora's just right in there. My interest in the #Sora4Smash movement has nothing to do with me being a fan of Kingdom Hearts (I've never even played it), but in copyright control and leniency. Does Disney appear in the credits roll? Does having a Disney rep better Smash's chances with eSports, especially if ESPN (owned by Disney) airs them?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 22, 2018, 01:38:59 am
I don't think Disney has much of an interest in eSports, they didn't push Marvel to force MvCI to be a thing.  Heck, not exceedingly interested in mainstream gaming as a whole outside the long awaited KHIII because the mobile phone scene has proved lucrative enough for them.

However, one the other hand, Smash has an objectively large spotlight on it even outside those who play the game, and I could imagine them pressing for more of that spotlight to shine on them, once they got one foot in the door.  Give Smash Sora, sure, as long as we also get Mickey modeled after Castle of Illusion, for a random example. something along those lines.  Which of course would not be wanted by Sakurai, he's steadfast enough against Goku who has some points in his favor along with a fan following, never mind being forced to comply with Disney just for this one character that fans want.

I can be exaggerating Disney's wants, of course, just picturing how things would go from a business perspective.  Even with Kingdom Hearts III finally coming to be really be a thing, something of extraordinary hype for its fanbase, Disney's not exactly pushing it very much themselves, just your typical gaming expos.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 22, 2018, 04:19:54 am
I highly doubt Sora will be in Smash period. He seems to be a character people will eventually forget.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 22, 2018, 04:26:59 am
That I can wholeheartedly disagree with, people have been obsessed with him and the franchise for 16 years now.  The original and sequel were best-sellers for the PS2, it has a solid online fanbase as a series and it went hand-in-hand helping further push FF VII's popularity and vice-versa, which still sits atop the Final Fantasy franchise as its most recognizable face.  Sora will be forgotten once Cloud has been.

Unless you mean, like, his playstyle would be a poor match for Smash and the character will likely be low-tier and forgotten about that way.  Then maybe, he is kinda floaty.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 22, 2018, 02:25:32 pm
Yeah, that's what I mean, playstyle. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on September 23, 2018, 01:17:15 am
Meh, most guests haven't aged very well when it comes to moveset. For how many times people hyped the whole "Mario vs Sonic vs Mega Man vs Pac-Man" dream match in Sm4sh days, they forgot about them as soon as the game released. Really, I feel like only Cloud and Bayonetta aged well in terms of moveset (Ryu and Snake can be debated on the subject).

And moving on to other topics, some new guy claimed to have talked with Vergeben and claimed that Steve from Minecraft will also join the game, (https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/9elna4/samurai_spirits_new_game_by_snk_just_announced_in/e5qpg45/) that and that... >_> :shrugs:
Katalina from Granblue Fantasy may be in negotiations for the game (https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/9g065x/shoutouts_to_rkappa_but_fuck_maikky/e60j5dg/) (and considering the time right now, I'll assume they're talking about DLC).
Now, why am I bringing this up? Because Vergeben was directly asked if he really talked with this person and he answered yes. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/9elna4/samurai_spirits_new_game_by_snk_just_announced_in/e6blbnp/?context=3)

Oh, and by the way, don't know if you've heard the news already, but some alleged screenshots featuring Ken popped up a few days ago:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 23, 2018, 01:33:26 am
Seems photoshopped and fake as many claim.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 23, 2018, 01:55:25 am
I'll lead to the bias side, but I don't see this Katalina having any shot of being real.  Among requirements to be in Smash, the character needs to be iconic, have a significant history with Nintendo and/or in the eyes of Sakurai need the public spotlight to bring back around to relevancy.  If this character is apparently fairly new, thus lacking the history, not particularly needing to be exposed because it's big in Japan but middling elsewhere, and having nothing iconic being molded out of the same basic anime cookie cutter format that you see everywhere, then she's not much of an all-star that needs to be elevated to playable character status.

That could just be the part of me that's so freaking done with similar-looking anime swordsmen in Smash though, at least less important ones in video game history.  It still personally feels odd in a mash-up game of this size and concept that Final Fantasy doesn't just have less reps than Fire Emblem, but the later is attempting to hold the biggest margin of characters in the roster while the former is stuck with just one.  Yes, yes, I know, character rights for who owns what and FE being much easier to just throw characters in, yadda yadda, but still, it irks me for some reason.

Spoiler: Relevant (click to see content)

Minecraft I have no connection to; tried it out when it was a beta, wasn't much fun but it sure as hell blew up with the next generation of kids once it went public and is something big enough I could warrant a spot for.  Just it's the nature of how the characters are all blocky from that game which I imagine doesn't translate well to a 2D fighting field where you're always facing them from a certain angle but their movements still need to be dynamic.  The guy would just be stuck with very wooden animations and a lot of body clipping with the arms waving around.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 23, 2018, 02:06:55 am

Oh, and by the way, don't know if you've heard the news already, but some alleged screenshots featuring Ken popped up a few days ago:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Ahem.

Fake leaks, grain of salt, yadda yadda, but this image started making the rounds today and if it’s fake it’s a damn good fake.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on September 23, 2018, 04:43:44 am
I can't be the only person who would legit want Steve in Smash. And I have never played Minecraft.

The whole "iconic" part fell apart by Melee, I'm just saying.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on September 23, 2018, 05:00:03 am
Giving the benefit of doubt, how would Steve even work in Smash?

I have no doubt Sakurai could make any character work.  But I can't even begin to imagine how Steve would play.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 23, 2018, 05:06:50 am
A Minecraft stage at best would be okay, a character would be a terrible idea.  Putting aside how the character model is ugly as sin, he only has an extremely stilted walking animation in his own game and nothing else.  The super blocky, compact character design makes it impossible for a Minecraft character to move in the way that a Smash Bros character is required to.

Give us a stage or like a creeper assist trophy to get Microsoft’s foot in the door, then we can have Banjo-Kazooie as DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 23, 2018, 05:28:30 am
Did the Minecraft Telltale game maybe adjust their models for better use as a model for Smash to go off of?  They had to make them more mailable or something for cutscenes throughout that game.

The whole "iconic" part fell apart by Melee, I'm just saying.
Explain?  The four newcomers I can possibly list under not being immediately recognizable would be the Ice Climbers, Marth, Roy and Mr. Game & Watch.  And only Ice Climbers and Roy of those would be most questionable, Roy being new at the time and Ice Climbers not being a huge title, but Roy was being built up in Japan at the time and it's not like the Ice Climbers were an unknown, just not as big as the likes of Excitebike or Duck Hunt.

As the series has gone on, sure, there's been more...questionable additions.  Bayonetta will never not seem out of place in Smash.  But it's still more-or-less the idea behind Smash to focus on the real big names all thrown into the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on September 23, 2018, 02:31:31 pm
This will be a very short sentence, but;

Giving us Sora and MineCraft Steve, would to me feel like pissing on Geno and Banjo & Kazooie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on September 23, 2018, 02:51:14 pm
None of those characters are mutually exclusive though. Is Cloud being in Smash also 'pissing on Geno'?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on September 23, 2018, 10:04:35 pm
None of those characters are mutually exclusive though. Is Cloud being in Smash also 'pissing on Geno'?

That's the big problem with Smash Speculation... things just get so tribal. People can get harassed simply for not taking the popular side. Hell, there are many people who take the popular side for the sake of being on the "winning side." Like some kind of sick race for dominance...

And then there's this "Only one character or the other" mentality. This pops up a lot during arguments about third parties. since they are admittedly quite rare. People argue over whether Banjo or Steve should get in because they think there would/should only be one "Microsoft Rep." Thing is, it doesn't need to be one or the other. Chances are, they are BOTH able to join the roster. Did Mega Man destroy the chances of Ryu? Did Snake ruin Simon Belmont's chances? No, they didn't. So I can't see why both Geno and Sora, or both Steve and Banjo can't join at the same time. It's a crazy video game crossover, so embrace it!

Oh, and about the whole "Sora is owned by Disney!" argument... I have heard plenty of people say "Disney said they wouldn't mind him in Smash, so he still has a chance!" but I do need a definitive source on this before I can fully believe it. So if someone would like to find the source of this information, I and possibly many others here would very much appreciate it!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on September 24, 2018, 12:24:32 am
We have three Konami characters and we're very likely about to have three Sega and Capcom characters.  If anything Steve should make you more confident in Banjo Kazooie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 24, 2018, 12:50:34 am
I don't even know who he is nor do I play or like Minecraft. Right now, all I want is the date for the next (possibly final) Smash Direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 24, 2018, 12:56:21 am
I don't even know who he is nor do I play or like Minecraft. Right now, all I want is the date for the next (possibly final) Smash Direct.
they say it's gonna be either in late october or early november
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 24, 2018, 01:26:50 am
This is VERY moving and heartwarming...

https://twitter.com/nintendolife/status/1043724152803418112?s=19
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 24, 2018, 01:28:30 am
yeah i've read about that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 24, 2018, 04:46:15 am
How sweet of Nintendo to do one last favor for someone not long for this world.

Something uplifting once in a while is good for the soul.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 26, 2018, 03:38:34 am
This week's new track is Battle! (Steven) from Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, arranged by Soshi Abe, who worked on the Breath of the Wild soundtrack.



It feels like they're leaning in a much more heavy metal/hard rock direction with Ultimate's soundtrack compared to the previous game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 26, 2018, 03:43:29 am
about time they added a new pokemon track and it's awesome
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 26, 2018, 06:45:18 am
Surprised they didn't gone with the Sun/Moon Trainer remix from the direct.

Now I want a Shiny Metagross as a hazard.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 27, 2018, 01:46:45 pm
Surprised they didn't gone with the Sun/Moon Trainer remix from the direct.

Now I want a Shiny Metagross as a hazard.
I think Metagross needs more attention overall. It was one of the elite Pokémon to use in a meta sense back in the day and it was well known (and hated).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 27, 2018, 11:21:33 pm
inb4 Metagross is in as a Pokemon assist once more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 28, 2018, 12:24:18 am
It's already confirmed to return as a pokeball summon.  They showed it in the E3 demo, IIRC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 28, 2018, 05:13:08 am
Regarding the Street Fighter music they have, I hope one of them is this:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 03, 2018, 03:43:42 am
This week's music is Afternoon on the Island from Tomodachi Life, arranged by Masafumi Takada.



Because when you need to go hard on freaking Tomodachi Life, I guess you call in the guy from No More Heroes and God Hand.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on October 03, 2018, 04:00:03 am
Don't forget these:

Signs apparently point to new character news within the next week (Incineroar/Ken).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 03, 2018, 04:56:46 am
Holy shit..!! Something's coming soon finally!

Also,  that theme is so upbeat! I like it!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 03, 2018, 05:04:09 am
let's hope this is the last smash bros related direct just before the game comes out because we only got like a couple of months left
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 03, 2018, 05:05:33 am
Now why would I want to hope for that to be the last direct before the game releases?

There's plenty of time for at most 3 and I wouldn't mind having all those 3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 03, 2018, 01:19:45 pm
...honestly, 3 more Directs with Smash announcements seems like overkill IMO, especially considering Sakurai said he wants to slow down announcements.
So yeah, I also think that's gonna be the final Smash announcement.
But hey, at least it would be a dedicated Smash Direct...hopefully...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 03, 2018, 04:21:16 pm
...honestly, 3 more Directs with Smash announcements seems like overkill IMO, especially considering Sakurai said he wants to slow down announcements.
So yeah, I also think that's gonna be the final Smash announcement.
But hey, at least it would be a dedicated Smash Direct...hopefully...

i've read about that, he also said something about expecting fewer newcomers to smash bros fans
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 03, 2018, 08:51:31 pm
Yes:
http://www.siliconera.com/2018/09/26/sakurai-says-to-expect-the-smash-bros-ultimate-character-announcements-to-slow-down/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/09/26/sakurai-says-to-expect-the-smash-bros-ultimate-character-announcements-to-slow-down/)

I would imagine at most two more directs with character announcements.
I can imagine at the very least we'll get the last direct with info shortly before launch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 04, 2018, 02:03:33 pm
I appreciate this slowdown in new information about Smash.

It's getting quite hard to keep up with everything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 10, 2018, 03:11:19 am
This week's music is a new arrangement of Id (Purpose) from Fire Emblem Awakening.



Can't find too much about the composer, Takeshi Kuramochi, except that he did a bunch of pachislot music for Konami for a while.  It's a good take on this song, though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 10, 2018, 03:21:44 am
Oh hey, it's Chrom's reveal theme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 10, 2018, 06:17:29 am
Chrom is stealing Robin's theme.  gg
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 12, 2018, 03:30:13 am
here's today's fighter about my favorite final evolution starter pokemon in generation 6 because it's important:



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Today's Fighter
#50: Greninja
A ninja-like fighter that battles with moves like the Water Shuriken. Greninja can use a log for clever counterattacks, and this Pokémon can even stick to walls. During its Final Smash, it turns into Ash-Greninja...!?

so what that means is that mat block will be changed and i'm gonna be surprised once that happens. hopefully they'll showcase it during a smash direct

also if you're wondering what's changed for greninja in smash ultimate other than its final smash changing here it is:

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As with all veterans returning from SSB4, Greninja's model features a slightly more subdued color scheme.
Like all characters, Greninja's jumpsquat animation now takes three frames to complete.
Greninja has a new down tilt: a downward sweep with its left hand. It launches at a more upward angle, improving its combo potential.
Dash attack has an altered animation: Greninja no longer does a full spin, now only stopping half way.
Greninja now uses water kunais instead of water blades for its up smash, similar to Ash's Greninja in the anime.
Shadow Sneak has a new animation when used. The attacking part of the move is a forward kick instead.
The "eyes" of Greninja's shadow when using Shadow Sneak flash just before release, making it easier for opponents to predict and work around the attack.
Substitute has more vibrant particles when activated.
Substitute activates faster, allowing for an easier hit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 12, 2018, 04:05:05 am
I would imagine Ash-Greninja would be nearly the same as Ragnacroak (yes, I am calling it that) from the last game, since they said Transforming characters from the previous games have been removed or reworked.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 12, 2018, 01:37:51 pm
I'm more surprised they would openly acknowledge the anime with Ash in the same vicinity of the Pokémon Trainer/Red.  Due to how much they've split since initial conception and being practically the same person once.  Yeah, I guess Sun/Moon did it as well, but as a bonus sort of DLC thing by playing the demo, not just part of the main game.

Though I think the anime had trophies in previous Smash titles if I recall correctly, so I guess it's not so farfetched.  Just...odd.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on October 12, 2018, 07:19:27 pm
Now here's the big question: because of Ash-Greninja, could Ash Ketchum himself end up making a cameo appearance?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 12, 2018, 07:35:45 pm
Satoshi
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on October 15, 2018, 02:39:11 am
I'm more surprised they would openly acknowledge the anime with Ash in the same vicinity of the Pokémon Trainer/Red.  Due to how much they've split since initial conception and being practically the same person once.  Yeah, I guess Sun/Moon did it as well, but as a bonus sort of DLC thing by playing the demo, not just part of the main game.

Though I think the anime had trophies in previous Smash titles if I recall correctly, so I guess it's not so farfetched.  Just...odd.

Misty had a trophy in Melee with her anime design:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/8/8a/Misty_trophy_%28SSBM%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090913174426)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 15, 2018, 03:16:09 am
anyway after they talked about greninja, here's another today's fighter, shulk from xenoblade chronicles:



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Today's Fighter
#57: Shulk
He is the only fighter that can change his status during battle. His sword, the Monado, allows him to switch between five modes—Jump, Speed, Shield, Buster and Smash—which change his abilities for a short time. Fun fact: Shulk's eighth color variation puts him in a pair of swimming trunks!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 15, 2018, 03:28:48 am
Looks like a photoshopped Little Mac to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on October 15, 2018, 04:18:36 am
Looks like a photoshopped Little Mac to me.
but its not a leak, thats literally little mac. only leaks are photoshopped little mac's
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 15, 2018, 05:44:48 am
That's Little Mac's brother, Big Cheese.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 17, 2018, 03:09:19 am
This week's song is Flash Man Stage from Mega Man 2 arranged by Keiichi Okabe, the lead composer for the Nier series and HOLY SHIT it is goooooooooooood.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 17, 2018, 04:29:38 am
We also got the full version of the game's menu theme! (No, it didn't leak, it was obtained legally with Nintendo's permission).

https://twitter.com/NintenFanart/status/1052377553070149637
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 17, 2018, 04:40:13 am
We also got the full version of the game's menu theme! (No, it didn't leak, it was obtained legally with Nintendo's permission).

https://twitter.com/NintenFanart/status/1052377553070149637

geez it sounds better than previously

it sounds like one of those music tracks that they should play during a football game or some other sports game like baseball
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 22, 2018, 03:53:38 am
Today's update was the character overview for Luigi, and while the gameplay video's the same as it ever was, the blog post reveals that he now uses the Poltergust for his throws.  Which is awesome!  People have been wanting him to use some Luigi's Mansion tech in Smash forever, and making it his throw is the perfect way to do it without having to complete retool his moveset.  I can't wait to see how it functions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 22, 2018, 03:55:30 am
awesome i can't wait for the game to come out just so i can see the final smashes they haven't showed to us yet
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 22, 2018, 08:32:37 am
....like who's?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 22, 2018, 10:05:38 am
Robin's comes to mind now that Chrom is playable. Although it's likely going to be Triforce Slash, some people believe Young Link's might be something new. They also mentioned Greninja now transforms into Ash-Greninja, but I imagine it's the same as his previous one on a fundamental level, unless they make it a Shinku Hadoken but with that giant Water Shuriken :P

Short answer: basically anyone whose Final Smash wasn't shown during their character trailer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 22, 2018, 10:50:32 am
Yup, Robin's.
Now that Chrom is playable, what's become of his Final Smash? 
Did they replace Chrom with someone else to make it similar?
Does he use his signature move Ignis? (Like how Chrom has Aether)
Or does he now use a certain spoiler move from Awakening?
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Interesting to see that they're changing Luigi's grab to use the poltergust, especially since he was a grappler in Smash 4.
I can see this change either boosting Luigi's grab game, or possibly breaking it depending on how well this gets implemented into his kit.  If this turns out to be a nerf, Luigi might need to shift playstyles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 23, 2018, 03:44:27 am
today's blog is here:

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Today's Item
Pokémon: Ditto
Ditto will transform into the fighter who threw the Poké Ball when joining the fight. After the transformation, Ditto will have the exact same abilities as the original fighter!

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/186_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/186_2.jpg)

in the games ditto can transform into a pokemon a trainer sent out, here whenever a fighter that has ditto being sent out it transforms into a fighter itself
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 23, 2018, 05:37:55 am
Very curious to how this will work with Ice Climbers, Rosalina, and Olimar.  Especially with the former in 8-Player Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 23, 2018, 09:28:43 am
I love DK's goofy faces.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 24, 2018, 04:56:52 am
This week we've got a new arrangement of Lost Painting from Symphony of the Night by Tetsuya Shibata.



Castlevania by way of Devil May Cry.  How the fuck does this soundtrack keep getting better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 24, 2018, 06:08:29 am
idek but I WILL nab a new SD card and get as many of these tracks I can for my DSi music player! The soundtrack of this game is worth listening during my commute.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 24, 2018, 01:12:42 pm
So this happened.

Spoiler: Potential full roster leak (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 24, 2018, 02:19:49 pm
Spoiler: Interesting to note that.... (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on October 24, 2018, 04:37:40 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on October 24, 2018, 04:45:37 pm
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Banjo and Kazooie
Yeeeeeeeah, take this one with a huge grain of salt. Amazing set up though, 10/10.


Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 24, 2018, 06:26:41 pm
Spoiler: How The Grinch Stole Smash Bros (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 24, 2018, 06:31:13 pm
Quote
Banjo and Kazooie
Yeeeeeeeah, take this one with a huge grain of salt. Amazing set up though, 10/10.

Microsoft has traditionally been quite cool with it and there's been a golden opportunity in the last few months for it to be discussed and finalized if true

Leaks for Smash always start at 0 credibility whatsoever for me regardless of the backstory but this announcement would not surprise me
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 24, 2018, 09:56:43 pm
I'm feeling it's more or less a fake at this point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 25, 2018, 12:03:57 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 25, 2018, 12:27:13 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 25, 2018, 12:38:36 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 25, 2018, 12:56:32 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 25, 2018, 05:17:53 am
Having reviewed the "leaks", yeah, I'll be filing this one under the pinch of salt pile.

Some of those characters haven't seen the light of day in years, so why now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 25, 2018, 05:22:27 am
here comes today's fighter:



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Today's Fighter
#55: PAC-MAN
This fighter appears in both his classic form and his form with hands and legs. He has many unique special moves, such as using a trampoline or a fire hydrant. For his Final Smash, he grows into a giant Super PAC-MAN, chomping and launching his opponents!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 25, 2018, 05:25:07 am
Did they fix his grab.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 25, 2018, 05:32:26 am
Quote
As with all veterans returning from SSB4, Pac-Man's model features a more subdued color scheme.
Pac-Man's boots now have well-defined soles on the bottom.
Like most of the cast, Pac-Man is more expressive, now not being limited to simply smiling and surprised expressions. He now shows an angry look when using smash attacks, and no longer smiles while drowning.
Pac-Man's on-screen appearance has been slightly altered, now doing a slow chomp in his 8-bit form, before jumping into his modern form. In Smash 4, the chomp is quicker and stops once Pac-Man opens his mouth once.
Change Pixelated fairies from Pac-Land appear during Pac-Man's down taunt in place of Blinky and Pinky. One also appears in his Pac-Land-inspired victory animation.
Like all characters, Pac-Man's jumpsquat animation now takes three frames to complete.
Pac-Man has faster ground mobility.
Neutral attack transition is faster.
Forward tilt does less damage.
Pac-Man has a new up tilt, a quick upwards punch. It appears to have more vertical range but less horizontal reach.
Down tilt now sends Pac-Man forward then back to where he started, making the move significantly more safe in terms of positioning.
In turn, Pac-Man's down tilt can no longer make him pseudo-crawl.
Dash attack now hits four times instead of three.
Forward smash's sourspot deals less damage.
All aerials have significantly less landing lag.
Back aerial is stronger in terms of knockback.
Up aerial has an altered ending animation.
Down aerial's hits connect significantly better.
Pac-Man's grab has significantly lower ending lag.
Dead zones on Pac-Man's grab has been fixed, making the move actually function at certain ranges.
Change If the grab misses, Pac-Man will look disappointed.
Change Pummel is faster but deals less damage.
Buff Down throw is performed significantly faster making it better for tech chases.
Bonus Fruit cycles significantly faster.
Bonus Fruit's items can now only be Z-dropped once before being unable to recatch.
When Z-dropped, Bonus Fruit's Bell can now stun the opponent.
The sprites used during Bonus Fruit have been redrawn with thinner outlines.
The ending lag Pac-Man suffers if he collides directly with a wall during Power Pellet has been reduced.
Pac-Man's afterimages when using Power Pellet now go from yellow to orange and then red. Pac-Man also flashes white and red after eating the power pellet.
Pac-Jump's trampoline now has a hurtbox.
Pac-Jump's trampoline now turns green whenever it is attacked.
Pac-Jump's trampoline, once attacked, now forces a helpless state. This can be used in or against Pac-Man's favor.
Pac-Man's afterimages when using Pac-Jump are more visible and now go from yellow to white.
The blobs of water fired by Fire Hydrant can now be attacked and destroyed, even by Pac-Man himself. While this allows Pac-Man to avoid making careless mistakes while maneuvering around the Hydrant, it also allows opponents to disrupt water-based setups.
Super Pac-Man has been changed. Pac-Man still transforms into a two-dimensional sprite to launch enemies, but now automatically moves forward and loops around the screen, slowly building up speed. His trajectory can be adjusted by aiming him up or down. Aesthetically, the move resembles Pac-Man Championship Edition 2, featuring pulsating lights in the background and rising pitch with each consecutive enemy eaten.

i hope that answers your question
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on October 25, 2018, 06:00:37 am
So, in behalf of the recent rumours, I want to ask you guys something:
How trust-worthy is Spawn Wave Media(youtuber I've heard of that apparently has his own sources in the media)?
I'm asking this because the guy claims that the banner leak is either fake or missing characters (Incineroar and someone else) (https://twitter.com/SpawnWaveMedia/status/1055135917114118144):
Quote
What's interesting is the leak is missing at least one character, so it could be fake or timed for a certain release with certain reveals.
Quote
Incineroar is one, but I'm referring to a different character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on October 25, 2018, 10:59:52 am
Having reviewed the "leaks", yeah, I'll be filing this one under the pinch of salt pile.

Some of those characters haven't seen the light of day in years, so why now?

Well... (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/67.html)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 25, 2018, 04:12:59 pm
Yeah, really.  Out of the alleged newcomers, all but two of them have had game releases more recently than K. Rool.

Besides, current relevance went out the window back when Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch got into Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 25, 2018, 04:22:09 pm
More like when Ness or Luigi got in Smash 64.

And Jigglypuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on October 25, 2018, 04:49:16 pm
That's not really comparable. Out of those 3 the only literal who on the same level as Game & Watch and the Ice Climbers might be Ness. And even then Mother 2 wasn't that old when Smash 64 came around.

Luigi's only remote claim to irrelevance at that point was not being playable in SM64. Jigglypuff, while not the most popular pokemon by any stretch, was still part of the OG 151 back when Pokemon was at it all time high. Jigglypuff might've been a legit popular pick if the tv show was at the point where Jigglypuff was a recurring character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 25, 2018, 09:28:31 pm
Jigglypuff was legit a joke/easy to make within the limitations. Had very little to do with it's role in the anime at the time. Otherwise, Mewoth would be in for sure aside from that weird cutout.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 26, 2018, 12:41:43 am
I would take Meowth better over Jigglypuff tbh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 26, 2018, 01:22:20 am
Jiggs was chosen because back in the N64 era it took literally almost no effort at all to re-texture Kirby and tweak a few animations to make a new character.  Plus IIRC, back before Pikachu blew up the way that it did Jigglypuff was on the short list of original 'mons that Nintendo was considering pushing as the franchise mascot.  Her and Clefairy, I think.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 26, 2018, 01:52:46 am
I've always pictured the real reason for Jiggs' inclusion was to appeal to the female demographic as it was very popular with them at its time.  That and it was easy to tweak Kirby.

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Her and Clefairy, I think.
Nah, just Clefairy until the anime wanted Pikachu.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 26, 2018, 03:04:49 am
Jiggly was our only Gen 1 female rep... until we got female alts of Pikachu including Pika-Libre. I think Pika-Libre would be my ultimate Pika alt of choice.  A shame she may not have her Flying Press.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 26, 2018, 03:19:22 am
time for another blog:

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Today's Item
Nikki Assist Trophy
The host of Swapnote on the Nintendo 3DS system joins the battle. Her drawings all look very cute—but they still do serious damage, so be careful!

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/191_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/191_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 26, 2018, 03:24:47 am
I do think it's really cool that Nikki and Arcade Bunny made it in as assists.  They're a lot like ROB, in that they're Nintendo characters even though they're not technically from a video game.  It helps the idea of Smash Bros. as a celebration of all things Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 26, 2018, 03:45:04 am
I still wish Nintendo's toys before video games got anything at all aside from WarioWare microgames.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 26, 2018, 04:15:48 am
Jiggly was our only Gen 1 female rep... until we got female alts of Pikachu including Pika-Libre. I think Pika-Libre would be my ultimate Pika alt of choice.  A shame she may not have her Flying Press.
Such a shame, I would have preferred Clefairy. I heard she was originally planned to be the main mascot of Pokémon instead of Pikachu, and I think she is much cuter and more powerful than Jigglypuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 26, 2018, 04:17:57 am
So this happened.

Spoiler: New item leak from official trailer (click to see content)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 26, 2018, 07:07:20 am
That Wendy's promo video also shows a second or two of new gameplay of the Rainbow Cruise stage from Melee. Looks absolutely beautiful.
This video covers the interesting bits from the promo (using the spoiler tag just in case):

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 29, 2018, 12:54:26 am
A couple of new developments on the Grinch leak, since the Smash community is going completely apeshit trying to either confirm or debunk it.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I don't know.  I mean, it's still entirely possible that it's an incredibly elaborate fake, but there is a TON of circumstantial evidence that's stacking up in favor of it being legit.  Not to mention the herculean level of effort, time, and sheer dumb luck it would have taken him to fabricate all of these minute details so perfectly.  If it is a fake, I wouldn't even be mad.  This guy would be a legend.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 29, 2018, 01:50:59 am
Hmm... Some interesting developments for the infamous Grinch leak for sure.

Although I need to correct you on the Sakurai quote; It's not from an interview. Rather, it's from a column on the Japanese magazine Famitsu that he writes bi-weekly. Most of the time during the lead up to a new Smash game's release he writes about Smash, but sometimes (especially when there's no new Smash game on the horizon) he writes about other things as well.

Not every column has been translated, but you can check out the ones that have right here, if you're interested (Plus, they are a lot more accurate than NinEverything's translations): https://www.sourcegaming.info/tag/famitsu/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 29, 2018, 04:04:46 am
here's today's blog focusing on a new samus that first appeared in super smash bros. brawl:



Quote
Today's Fighter
#29: Zero Suit Samus
Although not as powerful as Samus, her speed is exceptional! Her Paralyzer not only has the ability to stun opponents, but it can also turn into a whip. For her Final Smash, she dons her suit and fires a powerful laser!

unlike super smash bros 4 where she can shoot lasers with her ship
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 29, 2018, 07:10:51 am
Jesus Christ.  All this speculation and evidence hunting with the leaks and what not has been making me steadily lose my mind with hype and possibilities.
The leak's real!  Wait no, it's fake.  Wait, it's actually real!  I don't know anymore!
If Nintendo doesn't do another Smash Direct soon, I'm going to go insane.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 29, 2018, 06:37:14 pm
It's in this weird holding pattern that most leaks never get to because they're usually disproven within minutes.  There hasn't been anything found with it yet that can objectively prove that it's false, but there's also nothing that can't be explained away as something else pointing towards it being true.

Looks like this leak is going to live or die on the next official announcement from Nintendo.  Which should be coming pretty soon; It's been more than a month since the last Direct and there's just barely more than a month left until the game is out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on October 29, 2018, 06:54:35 pm
I kinda want it to be fake if only because this level of ruse cruise is as amazing on itself as a playable Mach Rider and Banjo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 30, 2018, 12:46:44 am
I wish they sort of hurry it up and debunk the damn leak and show us something we don't expect unless that so-called leaker ruined it. I already dismissed the leak as fake and I didn't really pay much attention to it either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 30, 2018, 03:20:40 am
time for another today's stage blog this time it's a stage from the 3ds version of super smash bros 4:

Quote
Today's Stage
Living Room
This stage is based on the nintendogs games. Check out the antics of the animals in the background—a total of 5 different puppies and a cat. Be careful not to get hit by the falling blocks while you're distracted by their cuteness!

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/193_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/193_2.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/193_3.jpg)

they not only have dogs but they also have cats in the stage too
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 30, 2018, 03:50:33 pm
Smash Bros Ultimate Direct coming November 1st (https://www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct/11-01-2018/).  This will be the last announcement before launch.

Moment of truth for The Grinch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 30, 2018, 04:21:11 pm
Smash Bros Ultimate Direct coming November 1st (https://www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct/11-01-2018/).  This will be the last announcement before launch.

Moment of truth for The Grinch.

we'll see what happens

if that what i saw is true that means no pokemon sun and moon rep
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 30, 2018, 04:57:00 pm
I honestly don't give a damn whether or not they deconfirm this "Grinch Leak". Smash Directs are always exciting times, regardless of what leaks are floating around at the time. (Plus, we still know nothing about the green mode...)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 30, 2018, 06:38:41 pm
So the Smash direct will be at 10 AM EST. That's pretty early... BUT I'LL BE AT WORK!  :mcry:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on October 30, 2018, 07:05:56 pm
So the Smash direct will be at 10 AM EST. That's pretty early... BUT I'LL BE AT WORK!  :mcry:

For me, at 3 PM in Europe, also working. Dammit, i should have take a week free or a day off.
The airing times sucks lately.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on October 30, 2018, 07:13:55 pm
Looks like I'll be sneaking peeks at the Direct when I'm supposed to be working. Again.  :mlol:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 30, 2018, 10:16:02 pm
7 AM PST for me... looks like I'll have something to do before I get blood drawn.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 31, 2018, 03:15:56 am
it appears that i'm possibly the only one doing blogs each day

anyway here's today's blog:



Quote
Today's Fighter
#48: Rosalina & Luma
Luma mimicks Rosalina's attacks. Luma also increases Rosalina's reach and can even take a hit for her! If Rosalina gets hit, Luma gets very flustered and flutters both hands.

here's a hint when fighting against rosalina and luma: if you attempt to do a throw against her, luma will attack you if you don't do a throw by pushing a direction button right away
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 31, 2018, 03:57:47 am
No new music this Tuesday...

This is the first time this has happened. Might be due to the Direct being later in the week, and the new music track being related to a newcomer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 31, 2018, 04:02:51 am
Maybe they want to avoid another Bloody Tears/Monster Dance fuck up like the last Direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 31, 2018, 04:51:05 am
here's a hint when fighting against rosalina and luma: if you attempt to do a throw against her, luma will attack you if you don't do a throw by pushing a direction button right away
IIRC from the demos, supposedly this has been adjusted so Luma can't do anything if Rosalina is grabbed.  Same case for Ice Climbers if one is grabbed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on October 31, 2018, 05:43:46 am
Maybe they want to avoid another Bloody Tears/Monster Dance fuck up like the last Direct.

I dunno, I mean, if the leak is real, there’s probably not much left to fuck up. People would go “Oh”, if anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on October 31, 2018, 08:22:17 am
I can't wait for the direct, I'm so excited!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 31, 2018, 08:29:37 am
THIS IS IT GUYS!  WE'RE APPROACHING THE FINAL STATIONS OF THE HYPE TRAIN!  AAAAAAHHHH

Even if the leaks turns out to be real, there's still a bunch of stuff like modes to learn about from the direct, right?  And maybe a few surprises thrown in too.

I'm personally interested in how they'll be implementing online this time around.  Hopefully with a proper 1v1 ranked and match-making system.  And with a decent legal stage selection that's more than just FD only memes.  I'm expecting us to get something like Battlefield & Omega forms only, but I'm hoping that the sets of demo tourney videos we've been getting are indications that Sakurai will be including other legal stages too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 31, 2018, 12:38:31 pm
The way I see it, it's a win-win scenario here.  Either the leak is real and we get an impossible dream roster, or the leak is fake and we get a direct full of complete surprises.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 31, 2018, 01:20:22 pm
So the Smash direct will be at 10 AM EST. That's pretty early... BUT I'LL BE AT WORK!  :mcry:

Dang, that is early. I'll be at work, so I will need to catch up later in the evening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 pm
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 31, 2018, 01:52:11 pm
I want Banjo and Kazooie. They have been a significant part of my N64 life.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 31, 2018, 01:52:24 pm
The way I see it, it's a win-win scenario here.  Either the leak is real and we get an impossible dream roster, or the leak is fake and we get a direct full of complete surprises.
I just hope my playable wrestling tiger is DLC or something =[

Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?
You'll be very surprised how much these guys are frequently seen in Top 3 alongside Geno in probably every fan poll with Shadow as the most requested Echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 31, 2018, 02:02:51 pm
I prefer for the leak to be debunked and we get the real surprises in the direct tomorrow morning since I don't believe not one bit of that leak. 25 hours to go.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 31, 2018, 04:03:06 pm
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?

Literally most people do.  They’ve consistently been among the most requested characters in every region for years.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on November 01, 2018, 12:13:13 am
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?

This guy knows whats up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 01, 2018, 12:33:22 am
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?

Yeah, like come on?! We already got shit like Ridley, Inkling and King K. Rool, all characters no one ever wanted!
Why should we get more characters that no one wants?!

Worst game ever ...





Joking <3
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on November 01, 2018, 12:40:59 am
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?

Yeah, like come on?! We already got shit like Ridley, Inkling and King K. Rool, all characters no one ever wanted!
Why should we get more characters that no one wants?!

Worst game ever ...





Joking <3

Almost told you to shut you're whore mouth lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 01, 2018, 01:27:58 am
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?

Yeah, like come on?! We already got shit like Ridley, Inkling and King K. Rool, all characters no one ever wanted!
Why should we get more characters that no one wants?!

Worst game ever ...





Joking <3

Almost told you to shut you're whore mouth lol

Haha, almost.
Yeah, I don't understand what WumpaFruit96 is on about.

We get everything we could possibly want, AND more. This is beyond ultimate (is that even possible?)
I got my character with K. Rool, to me, everything else is just a bonus from then on!
Isaac, Geno, Banjo and Skull Kid are all characters I've been supporting since Brawl, would be wonderful for the fans to see the characters make it to the full roster. I'm beyond hyped for tomorrow's direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 01, 2018, 01:44:05 am
Same... I just hope one of my favorite Pokemon makes it in. If not, I don't give a damn because I have Wolf and I even purchased the Amiibo of him early so I can get it during the week after Ultimate's release.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 01, 2018, 02:25:28 am
before we get to the last smash bros direct tomorrow, enjoy today's blog about another assist trophy particularly one of the enemies from the donkey kong country series so here's the link:

https://twitter.com/SSBUNews/status/1057802042004135936

fun fact: the klaptrap first appeared in smash bros as part of the stage where it can prevent players from going inside a barrel
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 01, 2018, 02:40:02 am
fun fact: Klap Trap can be defeated in its game of origin by the usual jump or roll-attacking it from behind. The roll attack doesn't work on its larger relative, Klampon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 01, 2018, 02:57:17 am
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?
Can't say much about Isaac or Shadow, but pretty much 99% of the fanbase seems to want Banjo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 01, 2018, 11:27:34 am
My quick analysis for Isaac;

Isaac - Golden Sun has been dormant for nearly 10 years now, and classic Golden Sun fans have been clamoring for Isaac ever since Brawl. Having Isaac as an assist trophy people where thrilled to see some recognition, and hoping to see the series expand in Smash. Seeing Little Mac being promoted from AT to playable in Smash 4 made people go crazy for the idea of Isaac doing the same, however, not only did Isaac not appear playable, but his trophy was mysteriously taken out, and no mii costume support. This meant that Golden Sun got less recognition with only a song to it's name in the 4th game.

Now, with K. Rool, Ridley and Simon Belmont to name a few, people who have been asking for Isaac for years finally believe they have a decent chance again, and have not lost hope. Most people who have never tried Golden Sun however, believes that Isaac would just be another generic anime swordsman like the cast of Fire Emblem, but those who have at least some clue to Isaac's moveset potential would know that the golden haired boy of wonder still packs a lot more than most anime swordsmenn could even dream about. Take Psyenergy for example, how he can turn into Poison Ivy and make plants come out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 01, 2018, 12:16:14 pm
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?
Can't say much about Isaac or Shadow, but pretty much 99% of the fanbase seems to want Banjo.

It is because Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie were famous and well liked titles for the Nintendo 64. Also Banjo-Tooie came very late in the life-cycle of the Nintendo 64, so I think it displayed the very pinnacle of what the N64 could do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 01, 2018, 02:15:10 pm
I refuse to believe those leaks!
Who even wants Banjo, Isaac or Shadow?
Can't say much about Isaac or Shadow, but pretty much 99% of the fanbase seems to want Banjo.

Personally the case for me. I’m pretty meh on both Isaac and Shadow, but Banjo would shake the entire fricking internet. That being said, I know a lot of people would lynch me if I said that at least Isaac is a meh choice. I’d like to add that I don’t think Shadow will be an echo, because him having sonic’s exact same move set would be dumb. They’d probably change his up B into teleport and put his chaos spear somewhere (unless I’m wrong and they just basically make him Darker, edgier exact Sonic).

Then only thing I don’t like about this leak is this
Beavis said:
Where are the chicks?

I guess I’ll find out if this is Super Sausagefest Newcomer Bros in less than an hour

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 01, 2018, 02:43:30 pm
You know what I want to more then new characters? The mode that was covered up in the last Smash Brothers Ultimate exclusive Direct.

Is it a story mode? An adventure more? What it is... I'm curious.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 01, 2018, 03:45:30 pm
So, uh... I guess two good directs out of three isn’t bad.

Only things I loved were dorpsbewoner and that last trailer at the end. But when then last direct is just “okay” I can’t help but feel a little low.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on November 01, 2018, 03:46:10 pm
THE GRINCH LEAK IS FAKE

AND EVERYONE FUCKING DIED
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on November 01, 2018, 03:47:23 pm
KEN CONFIRMED!!!
INCINEROAR CONFIRMED!!!

PIRANHA PLANT A FIGHTER!?
THANKS, SAKURAI!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 01, 2018, 03:54:01 pm
I was really hoping for some sort of mode that allowed platforming and exploration a la SSE and Smash Run. That was my main complaint with SSBU. I know the game already has a ton of shit included in it and me complaining comes off as greedy and annoying, but I’m pretty bummed out about that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 01, 2018, 03:58:04 pm
I'm starting to think the Pirahna Plant is punishment for all those leaks.

Nevertheless, INCINEROAR!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 01, 2018, 04:01:18 pm
Piranha Plant, the character no one wanted, but did not know they needed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 01, 2018, 04:02:03 pm
I'm starting to think the Pirahna Plant is punishment for all those leaks.

“What about you, Sakurai? Who do YOU want to include in Smash?”

“PIRAHNA. PLANT.”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 01, 2018, 04:20:18 pm
yes that direct was great, ken and incineroar are here which proves that the box theory was right all along

also mii customization's back which i'm proud of returning, spirits is good, and it wrapped up with adventure mode with voice acting no doubt

also some final smashes were revealed during the nintendo treehouse live presentation like wolf's final smash where he summoned star wolf, yoshi's final smash went from having wings and can shoot flames to part of the intro from super smash bros melee with the yoshi stampede, and lucario's final smash is a mix of both brawl's and 4's where he transforms into mega lucario saying, "Max Aura!" and then shoots a beam
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 01, 2018, 05:39:50 pm
Looks like I was right on the adventure more part... what is it supposed to be, though?

Ken and Incineroar are great additions and additional DLC characters in the future will make it a nearly 80 character roster. That's batshit insane.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on November 01, 2018, 06:17:12 pm
Major video postings, so here we go:

Spoiler: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Reveal Trailer (click to see content)

Spoiler: Ken Solo Reveal (click to see content)

Spoiler: Incineroar Solo Reveal (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 01, 2018, 06:23:25 pm
I see, so Vergeben's leak about it being Incineroar actually fits with it. He said Ken and a gen VII Pokémon that wasn't Decidueye would be next, then he said it was, in fact, Incineroar, now it got confirmed. Just to remind you guys, Vergeben also confirmed Isabella before her release, and so far, the only thing he said that wasn't confirmed so far is another Square Enix character, though, according to him, the source that claimed this last one has been wrong before.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 01, 2018, 07:04:04 pm
Okay, so, only now I saw... Piranha Plant... WAT? Its not even Petey Piranha, and okay, I get that its a classic Mario villain, but still... PIRANHA FUCKING PLANT??? (also, the Isaac leak got deconfirmed, such a shame)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 01, 2018, 07:29:08 pm
Please avoid double posting
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 01, 2018, 07:40:53 pm
I’m losing my freaking mind right now.  This is too good.  Nintendo!  How in the fuck are you going to spend half an hour on hard deconfirms for all of the most popular, most requested characters and then follow it by announcing Piranha Plant?

Isaac?  Nah.  Shadow?  Nope.  Skull Kid?  Black Knight? Shantae?  Who cares?  BTW here’s literally the least iconic character in the entire Mario series.

This is excellent.  I’m wailing over here.  Sakurai you actual goddamn lunatic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 01, 2018, 08:03:31 pm
I’m losing my freaking mind right now.  This is too good.  Nintendo!  How in the fuck are you going to spend half an hour on hard deconfirms for all of the most popular, most requested characters and then follow it by announcing Piranha Plant?

Isaac?  Nah.  Shadow?  Nope.  Skull Kid?  Black Knight? Shantae?  Who cares?  BTW here’s literally the least iconic character in the entire Mario series.

This is excellent.  I’m wailing over here.  Sakurai you actual goddamn lunatic.
Okay, I think the inclusion of Piranha was stupid, but calling it the least iconic character in the entire series is an extreme exaggeration. A lot of people DO reconize the character, so it IS actually famous, just not enough to justify it becoming playable instead of all the other much better choices.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 01, 2018, 08:04:03 pm
BTW here’s literally the least iconic character in the entire Mario series.
He may not be popular, but I wouldn't call it the least iconic even in the mario-verse.  He is likely to be the first obstacle you die too by a poorly timed jump over the pipes in the old games.  Probably a speedrunner's nightmare.  And don't get me started on those fireballs, ugh.

I noticed that we needed more villians and mooks, so.....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 01, 2018, 08:40:10 pm
Refreshing to see Ken in his true handsome form again.
At least someone is treating him with the respect he deserves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Koop on November 01, 2018, 09:26:35 pm
I knew all the "leak lists" were mostly incorrect because the crazy character nobody would ever expect wasn't on the list. There isn't a single list that had Piranha Plant on it.

To be honest it looks kinda good. Lots of range and projectiles. Can probably rack up a load of % with poison.

Refreshing to see Ken in his true handsome form again.
At least someone is treating him with the respect he deserves.

THIS.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on November 01, 2018, 10:26:44 pm
The Grinch is dead, long live the Grinch.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Do not even ask on November 01, 2018, 10:27:24 pm
psyched to finally achieve my dream of recreating all of little shop of horrors in super smash bros
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on November 01, 2018, 10:29:36 pm
Well, at least I didn't spoil anything by looking at the Grinch leak. Overall, it was all kinda meh to me, save one or two things I really liked.. I woulda taken any of the leak characters (sans Ken) over Gen 7 trash any day. A little disappointed trophies are gone, I was looking forward to seeing all the ones they were gonna add.  Freakin Piranha Plant, though. Sakurai has officially jumped the shark. Am I the only one who finds it hilarious but sad at the same time that Waluigi got shafted as a new Mario rep but a Piranha Plant warranted being made a playable character? Not even any particular Piranha Plant, either, just a run-of-the-mill garden variety Piranha Plant. I hope he's top tier just for the lulz.

Adventure mode looks interesting. The little cinematic they showed beforehand poses a lot of questions (why are there a million Master Hands and whats that eldritch abomination controlling them), but was absolutely marvelous. I have my doubts, but I would love it if that was only one of many more cutscenes to be seen in adventure mode. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 01, 2018, 10:40:05 pm
BTW here’s literally the least iconic character in the entire Mario series.
He may not be popular, but I wouldn't call it the least iconic even in the mario-verse.  He is likely to be the first obstacle you die too by a poorly timed jump over the pipes in the old games.  Probably a speedrunner's nightmare.  And don't get me started on those fireballs, ugh.

I noticed that we needed more villians and mooks, so.....

The absolute disrespect for Waluigi, though.  The only one left in the main Mario cast who isn't playable in Smash Bros, and he's not considered high enough priority to get out of Assist Trophy hell, and yet an ACTUAL, LITERAL potted plant gets in before him.  It's so amazing.   I'm dying.  Sakurai has killed me and sent me to troll heaven on the wings of a Piranha Plant.

John Cenaroar looks hype as fuck, though.  I love how one of his specials is throwing the opponent into the ropes.  Going by the screenshots on the site, he looks amazing in-game, too.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

One other note, I'm really happy they didn't actually show Isabelle getting vaporized with everyone else in the adventure mode trailer.  I don't think my heart could've taken it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2018, 10:44:15 pm
Eh.  Funny choice with the Piranha Plant aside, rather boring direct to be honest.  Still, good to show off the basic menus and options throughout the game.  I guess what they're going for with Spirits is fine, but it doesn't have the same appeal to me from this trailer alone as Adventure of Subspace Emissary did.  Also, Zelda, what are you doing, you're not Breath of the Wild Zelda, why are you talking?

So actually showing some stat changes on Ken compared to Ryu makes me appreciate his inclusion more now, thank you.  Dark Pit just annoys me in that he really just is a Pit skin taking up space, and Dark Samus or Lucina don't really offer enough in my opinion, as happy as I am with Dark Samus being included.  Ken here actually feels separate enough on his own.  Incineroar, well, nothing's really changed since previous speculation.  He looks fine.  I have no interest and the character holds no appeal, but those who are happy for him, go nuts.  I'm actually perfectly fine with the Piranha Plant regardless if Sakurai's intentions were to troll or not, it's a neat idea and a workaround to get another big boss Mario character in with Peaty Piranha as the final smash attack, and from gameplay shown it simply looks like a fun character.  Doesn't mean it isn't a tad bit disappointing some of the other leaks didn't turn out true, Skull Kid sure would have been fun, but it is what it is.

I guess technecally Shantae made in into Smash Ultimate.  Cool, but does that mean that we should start checking off characters found in Spirits to not be DLC?  Because they're not doing trophies any more, and I didn't see spirits for the actual playable characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 01, 2018, 10:55:15 pm
I'm gonna guess that one of the 5 DLC charcters is going to be a Gen 8 Pokémon to tie in with the new game coming next year, much like Corrin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 01, 2018, 10:56:30 pm
I guess technecally Shantae made in into Smash Ultimate.  Cool, but does that mean that we should start checking off characters found in Spirits to not be DLC?  Because they're not doing trophies any more, and I didn't see spirits for the actual playable characters.

There was a spirit shown off for the male Wii Fit Trainer, so who knows.  Considering who all was shown, I don't know if any super important characters are going to be relegated to spirits anyway.  Unless people are really clamoring for Kyle Hyde from Hotel Dusk and Oribe from Tokyo Mirage Sessions, I mean.

I totally didn't pick up on this watching the direct, but Yoshi's new final smash is a reference to Melee's cinematic opening.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2018, 11:03:15 pm
Hm, guess I missed that.  Well, that pokes a nice hole in my thought process, was starting to try to whittle down who would be viable DLC not shown off already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 01, 2018, 11:06:11 pm
I'm gonna guess that one of the 5 DLC charcters is going to be a Gen 8 Pokémon to tie in with the new game coming next year, much like Corrin.

You better bet on the hero of the new FE getting in too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 01, 2018, 11:19:57 pm
So actually showing some stat changes on Ken compared to Ryu makes me appreciate his inclusion more now, thank you.  Dark Pit just annoys me in that he really just is a Pit skin taking up space, and Dark Samus or Lucina don't really offer enough in my opinion, as happy as I am with Dark Samus being included.  Ken here actually feels separate enough on his own.

They're only taking up space it that's how you choose to display them, Doc
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2018, 11:30:21 pm
No, I don't mean the literal roster space.  Just a general annoyance at how little thought is put into them.  At the very least, if they were done for cheap roster expansion prior, they could further develop the characters into something more unique with their own attacks in this new game.  It's a game design approach that just bugs me, quantity over quality.  I appreciate that there's more to Ken than the others it seems though.

So I guess something else that the Piranha Plant character does, besides make fun of Waluigi fans, is it helps cement Waddle Dee as a viable candidate to be made into a playable character.  As long as we're including recognizable minions to be important enough to be playable, Kirby's player #4 should be just as possible as the vines that stop you from jumping in Super Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 01, 2018, 11:43:54 pm
I'm gonna guess that one of the 5 DLC charcters is going to be a Gen 8 Pokémon to tie in with the new game coming next year, much like Corrin.
I bet FE Switch Lord will be another one of them for the same reason.

There was a spirit shown off for the male Wii Fit Trainer, so who knows.
Reminder that Wii fit trainer had a bunch of trophies of her in different yoga positions as trophies in Smash 4. It's likely the same case here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xenomic on November 01, 2018, 11:44:25 pm
Man, thinking more on that trailer, and when you think how epic it is, it's also kinda...sad in a way when you think about it?? If that makes sense?

(Also, Zelda stopped being British in this version it sounds like. And Snake please...you were already in Alert mode, that wasn't gonna save you! : V )
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 01, 2018, 11:51:07 pm
No, I don't mean the literal roster space.  Just a general annoyance at how little thought is put into them.  At the very least, if they were done for cheap roster expansion prior, they could further develop the characters into something more unique with their own attacks in this new game.  It's a game design approach that just bugs me, quantity over quality.  I appreciate that there's more to Ken than the others it seems though.
Ken appears to have exactly as much difference from Ryu as Dark Pit does from Pit, or any other echo fighter.  Different animations, different visuals, tweaked stats.  The only difference with Ken is that he got to be in a proper trailer so the hype gets built up more.

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So I guess something else that the Piranha Plant character does, besides make fun of Waluigi fans, is it helps cement Waddle Dee as a viable candidate to be made into a playable character.  As long as we're including recognizable minions to be important enough to be playable, Kirby's player #4 should be just as possible as the vines that stop you from jumping in Super Mario.

Yeah, now that Sakurai's throwing in random jobber enemies as playable fighters Waddle Dee seems like a solid enough choice.  Especially since such big latecomers as Rex and Spring Man got axed before we even got to speculate about them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2018, 11:59:56 pm
Dark Pit, to my knowledge, only had different aesthetic changes to his forward-B attack and final smash was a laser.  Lucina loses Marth's sweet spot damage and Dark Samus can bomb jump sideways.  Ken has actual base stat changes with moving faster and attacks counting for multiple hits.  The more basic and ground level the changes, the more impact it feels, the more separate the character becomes from the source.

Rex always seems like he had too much going on at once to make it anyways, he would have to be some sort of a mix between Shulk's blade forms and Red/Leaf's Pokemon swaps when Rex would change his partner out.  Still, surprising about Spring Man, thought Arms was a big enough deal for the Switch to be worth something more than an assist trophy.  But I suppose Sakurai holds those to a higher degree than many other players, which is understandable, but really, most people are just going to turn them off I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 02, 2018, 12:17:52 am
so if there's no trophies does that mean that we'll get character endings, i hope
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 02, 2018, 12:23:57 am
I...don't see how one correlates to the other, but if you mean basic Classic mode, I'd imagine it'll be the same untouched set-up of winning a still image of something funny with the character and "Congratulations" in bold.  Truth be told, it's rather a shame they're dropping trophies.  I spent so many hours getting them back in Melee and going over them, learning about a number of games I wasn't aware of and further details on some I thought I did, on top of it just being a fun little model viewer.

It's not like its losing a key essential part of the series, but it is like a series dropping split-screen it had prior; it feels oddly hollow without it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 02, 2018, 12:35:25 am
Dark Pit, to my knowledge, only had different aesthetic changes to his forward-B attack and final smash was a laser.  Lucina loses Marth's sweet spot damage and Dark Samus can bomb jump sideways.  Ken has actual base stat changes with moving faster and attacks counting for multiple hits.  The more basic and ground level the changes, the more impact it feels, the more separate the character becomes from the source.

Rex always seems like he had too much going on at once to make it anyways, he would have to be some sort of a mix between Shulk's blade forms and Red/Leaf's Pokemon swaps when Rex would change his partner out.  Still, surprising about Spring Man, thought Arms was a big enough deal for the Switch to be worth something more than an assist trophy.  But I suppose Sakurai holds those to a higher degree than many other players, which is understandable, but really, most people are just going to turn them off I'd imagine.

Dark Pit has more knockback and different launch properties than Pit.  All of his weapons for his specials are different than Pits, and his arrows hit harder but have less curve to their trajectory.  Ken really is as much of a clone as Dark Pit or Lucina, he just sounds more impressive because they took the time to explain it in a direct.

About the DLC, Vergeben popped up again earlier claiming that the yet unnamed Square Enix rep he mentioned before is still coming and that SE specifically requested that their second rep be DLC.  Apparently it's a whole thing with them that if they loan out a character to another game it has to be as paid content after launch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 02, 2018, 12:37:15 am
I can't believe it! Not only the grinch leak was debunked much to my happiness, but Incineroar and Ken coming in!! There's so much what I want to say but I rather not cuz it'll be... an essay of sorts.

I love the theme of Super Smash Bros Ultimate.... Lifelight
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 02, 2018, 12:39:39 am
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About the DLC, Vergeben popped up again earlier claiming that the yet unnamed Square Enix rep he mentioned before is still coming and that SE specifically requested that their second rep be DLC.  Apparently it's a whole thing with them that if they loan out a character to another game it has to be as paid content after launch.

Same leaker also claims Minecraft content will be featured in someway, be it as a stage, BGM, Steve as a Spirit, or a Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on November 02, 2018, 12:50:50 am
anybody get melee vibes from yoshi's final smash?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 02, 2018, 12:54:29 am
anybody get melee vibes from yoshi's final smash?

yes the first time i saw it it reminded me of part of the intro from melee
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 02, 2018, 12:57:05 am
Dark Samus can bomb jump sideways.

Dark Samus is also floatier and has a traditional roll dodge instead of Samus' long and slow one.

Dark Pit was more or less identical to Pit in Smash 4, outside of side-b having a different knockback angle and his neutral-b being angled differently; someone went though his data and his attacks all have the same animation timings and damage, coupled with his movement speeds, weight, and other stats being identical.

Ken feels as much of a clone as he does in the Street Fighter series, which is to say he's based on Ryu, but still has a few different Normals and his Specials behave differently.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 02, 2018, 02:06:28 am
On the blog today we've got a new arrangement of Battle! (Wild Pokemon) from Pokemon Sun & Moon, arranged by Hiroyuki Kawada, a Namco musician who recently worked on Pokken Tournament.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 02, 2018, 02:45:10 am
speaking of music who sang the main theme in both english and japanese?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2018, 02:48:52 am
I'm gonna guess that one of the 5 DLC charcters is going to be a Gen 8 Pokémon to tie in with the new game coming next year, much like Corrin.
I wouldn't be surprised if the first Gen 8 Pokémon became playable even before an actual Gen 8 game comes out.

Still, surprising about Spring Man, thought Arms was a big enough deal for the Switch to be worth something more than an assist trophy.  But I suppose Sakurai holds those to a higher degree than many other players, which is understandable, but really, most people are just going to turn them off I'd imagine.
You know that ARMS has other recognizable characters, right?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/images/c/cf/Ribbon_Girl.png/revision/latest?cb=20170118012036&path-prefix=en)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 02, 2018, 02:51:22 am
Yes.  Alongside that Spring Man is more-or-less the de-facto face of the series alongside Ribbon Girl already being shown as a Mii costume in the direct.  I don't believe many would view either option in very high regard.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on November 02, 2018, 03:04:44 am
speaking of music who sang the main theme in both english and japanese?

Could be wrong but it sounds like Hikaru Utada for both.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 02, 2018, 03:15:36 am
speaking of music who sang the main theme in both english and japanese?

Could be wrong but it sounds like Hikaru Utada for both.

the lady who sang face my fears from kingdom hearts 3? wow that's cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on November 02, 2018, 03:23:26 am
full version
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 02, 2018, 03:29:08 am
Yes.  Alongside that Spring Man is more-or-less the de-facto face of the series alongside Ribbon Girl already being shown as a Mii costume in the direct.  I don't believe many would view either option in very high regard.

We can still have Twintelle and her assets though
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2018, 03:36:49 am
Yes.  Alongside that Spring Man is more-or-less the de-facto face of the series alongside Ribbon Girl already being shown as a Mii costume in the direct.  I don't believe many would view either option in very high regard.
Quite a lot of people do, actually. In fact, many wishlists I see either include Spring Man and Ribbon Girl in one slot (like either one or the other) or include "an ARMS fighter", which means lots of people would be satisfied with anyone from that game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 02, 2018, 04:12:30 am
...I think we have a bit of miscommunication here.  I'm not arguing people are against Arms characters in the game.  I'm arguing people would be against their inclusion devoted solely to a secondary aspect such as an assist trophy or a costume exclusively for the Miis.  Of course Face on the Box and Player 2 would rank high for inclusion, the game did well for the platform, but they're likely looking for them to be playable, not just getting a participation award for being in the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on November 02, 2018, 04:13:38 am
speaking of music who sang the main theme in both english and japanese?

english


Japanese
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on November 02, 2018, 04:45:22 am
Unpopular opinion: I don't want or expect any more Nintendo characters at this point.

Just look at that roster, is there anyone left that people give a damn about? What about music or stages? I can't honestly see anyone offering them. I know some people here are expecting that new Fire Emblem lord to pop-up and piss everyone off, but frankly, Sakurai and co. are better off putting those resources into guest characters, which, on the other hand, can always offer stages and songs. If they wanted Nintendo guys, they shouldn't have relegated Spring Man, Ribbon Girl and Rex into AT and Mii costumes respectively, and I don't think solo Pyra can happen.

Also, I think a Tekken character may be in the works. We haven't seen anything related to the franchise (not even the Heihachi costume from last game) and Akira makes me believe Sakurai's been experimenting with him to see if he can translate a 3D fighter into 2D.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2018, 04:53:51 am
Just look at that roster, is there anyone left that people give a damn about?
(https://i.giphy.com/media/8Ue8ekoT67ylq/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 02, 2018, 05:00:56 am
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Just look at that roster, is there anyone left that people give a damn about
Bandanna Dee is the last Nintendo one that still has a large following, as well as Paper Mario.  All others that were extremely requested has been shafted for an eternity at this point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on November 02, 2018, 05:52:17 am
Lets be real, if Sakurai sat there and honestly tried to fill every little request for characters in the game we'd probably be sitting at a hilariously unbalanced hundred or so characters and the game wouldn't be released for another 2 or 3 years. Things like assist trophies at least give the ones who didn't make it SOME presence.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2018, 06:21:10 am
Lets be real, if Sakurai sat there and honestly tried to fill every little request for characters in the game we'd probably be sitting at a hilariously unbalanced hundred or so characters and the game wouldn't be released for another 2 or 3 years. Things like assist trophies at least give the ones who didn't make it SOME presence.
And then they add Piranha Plant...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on November 02, 2018, 06:46:52 am
Pretty sure that he is Sakurai's WTF character that he's been doing since Melee now and personally I love the fact that he can pick characters so out of the blue and develop neat ideas on how they would fight. I mean Sega figured out how to get a Daytona car to work in Fighters Megamix so Sakurai's not that crazy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on November 02, 2018, 07:02:57 am
Let’s not forget Bad Box Art Megaman in Street Fighter x Tekken.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on November 02, 2018, 09:18:01 am
There's been no word as to who sung it. Because if it is Utada Hikaru, then that fact could be misconstrued as a spoiler to Sora from Kingdom Hearts making the roster.

I'm actually interested in who the Final Boss for Ultimate is going to be. Throughout the years, it's been Master Hand (and Crazy Hand as a duo), then Tabu. Who's it gonna be now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on November 02, 2018, 10:54:22 am
Lets be real, if Sakurai sat there and honestly tried to fill every little request for characters in the game we'd probably be sitting at a hilariously unbalanced hundred or so characters and the game wouldn't be released for another 2 or 3 years. Things like assist trophies at least give the ones who didn't make it SOME presence.
Then how do you explain Tails not even being an assist trophy?!
Shadow and Knuckles at least got to be assist trophies, but Tails didn't even get THAT luxury.
If you ask me, it's not Shadow and Waluigi who have been done dirty, but Tails.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xenomic on November 02, 2018, 11:33:34 am
Well...at least Tiki's in the game! Kinda...but a step-up from being a trophy in the previous game. So I guess yay?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 02, 2018, 12:40:46 pm
Fucking RIP to the Grinch leaker.  The leak might have been fake, but that means he still got caught using real Grinch promotional material, breaking NDA, and wasting resources from the company he works at to make it.  Dude destroyed his own career just to troll Smash fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on November 02, 2018, 12:44:10 pm
Then how do you explain Tails not even being an assist trophy?!
Shadow and Knuckles at least got to be assist trophies, but Tails didn't even get THAT luxury.
If you ask me, it's not Shadow and Waluigi who have been done dirty, but Tails.

Hey I didn't get everything I wanted either but I don't think the characters I did want were done dirty for it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 02, 2018, 04:50:56 pm
here's today's blog which came early about a fire/dark type pokemon that's the final form of litten: incineroar



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Today's Fighter
#69: Incineroar
A fighter with many special moves that appear to come from the world of pro wrestling. Incineroar has many moves from its original game, like Darkest Lariat, Cross Chop, and Revenge. Its Final Smash is Max Malicious Moonsault. Let the Z-Power explode and deliver a powerful blow!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 02, 2018, 07:48:51 pm
I had forgotten that pokken is a thing that exists.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on November 02, 2018, 08:15:07 pm
Lets be real, if Sakurai sat there and honestly tried to fill every little request for characters in the game we'd probably be sitting at a hilariously unbalanced hundred or so characters and the game wouldn't be released for another 2 or 3 years. Things like assist trophies at least give the ones who didn't make it SOME presence.
Then how do you explain Tails not even being an assist trophy?!
Shadow and Knuckles at least got to be assist trophies, but Tails didn't even get THAT luxury.
If you ask me, it's not Shadow and Waluigi who have been done dirty, but Tails.

Shadow and Knuckles are a bit more combat oriented than Tails, especially so with the characterisation in the modern titles, so Knuckles and Shadow fill the role of AT a bit better in that regard. Of course, Tails has enough content as well with his plane and what not to be an assist, but the team just landed on Knuckles and Shadow really.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2018, 10:11:51 pm
Lets be real, if Sakurai sat there and honestly tried to fill every little request for characters in the game we'd probably be sitting at a hilariously unbalanced hundred or so characters and the game wouldn't be released for another 2 or 3 years. Things like assist trophies at least give the ones who didn't make it SOME presence.
Then how do you explain Tails not even being an assist trophy?!
Shadow and Knuckles at least got to be assist trophies, but Tails didn't even get THAT luxury.
If you ask me, it's not Shadow and Waluigi who have been done dirty, but Tails.

Shadow and Knuckles are a bit more combat oriented than Tails, especially so with the characterisation in the modern titles, so Knuckles and Shadow fill the role of AT a bit better in that regard. Of course, Tails has enough content as well with his plane and what not to be an assist, but the team just landed on Knuckles and Shadow really.
Look, in a game where Isabela is a fighter, there is no such thing as one being more "combat oriented" than another.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 02, 2018, 11:48:26 pm
Excuse you.

(https://i.imgur.com/DIYokpR.png)

Isabelle's been training hard for this!

But for real, you're right in that there's no excuse for "X character won't work in Smash" now that Piranha Plant made it in.  And Tails does deserve more respect, too.  I wouldn't be mad seeing him take one of the DLC spots, personally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 03, 2018, 12:00:10 am
Well, if Tails isn't even an assist trophy, maybe he actually can be a DLC character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 03, 2018, 01:13:31 am
And Tails does deserve more respect, too.  I wouldn't be mad seeing him take one of the DLC spots, personally.
I never realized Tails was somehow excluded from being an Assist Trophy.  It would make sense that he might end up as one of the 5 DLCs.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 03, 2018, 02:31:03 pm
All alt colours.


Seems they really did cut down on Little Mac's alts. Pichu's alts are adorable though, plus the inclusion of the Spiky-Eared one is really nice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2018, 03:23:16 pm
It's your boy Pichu representing Team Skull!  And it looks like Ken has a Violent Ken alt, too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 03, 2018, 11:07:52 pm
It looks more like Evil Ryu, but Ken. Not Evil Ken, but Ken with darker skin and a black gi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on November 04, 2018, 01:06:53 am
Wanna watch Sakurai show off some Classic Mode and Spirits? Well then here you go!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on November 04, 2018, 01:07:20 am
Disappointing that the Belmonts don't have any reference alts to other members of the clan, besides the red-coloured Simon, which I suppose is meant to represent Juste.

Also, Alpha Ryu is cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 05, 2018, 03:09:22 am
here's today's blog about the last echo fighter being confirmed in smash bros ultimate:

https://twitter.com/SSBUNews/status/1059252345522003968

if there's one echo fighter i'll be maining it's ken
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 05, 2018, 08:20:28 am
So I was late to the Pitoo clone discussion.

He specifically has only three differences gameplay wise.  (Not counting stuff like voices, taunts, and final smashes.)
Side-B is Electroshock instead of Upperdash, which has launches diagonally and does electric damage.
Neutral-B arrows curve less but deal a little more damage.
FTilt has weaker knockback for no reason at all.  There's no benefit to this as far as I know.

One of the major complaints about DPit is that even with his differences, it's agreed upon that he plays really similarly to Pit.  He could've had a lot more property changes to his moves and physics like the clones in Melee, who were obviously clones, but had clear differences that affected the way they played.  Ken with his current differences is looking to be like that of a Melee clone than DPit is.

On the topic of DLC, I wonder if we'll be getting more third parties than first parties again.
3/4 of the newcomer DLC characters from Smash 4 were all third party.  The 1 Nintendo character was promotional material, so I can imagine us getting a Gen 8 pokemon to promote the new game.

EDIT: According to this thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/9u8zt3/heres_all_the_information_i_could_glean_from/), Robin still summons Chrom for his Final Smash, even if his opponent is Chrom.  They even keep their back to back winpose, with Chrom clapping in the background.  I guess this means assists actually do have a shot at making it as DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 05, 2018, 02:37:38 pm
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On the topic of DLC, I wonder if we'll be getting more third parties than first parties again.
3/4 of the newcomer DLC characters from Smash 4 were all third party.  The 1 Nintendo character was promotional material, so I can imagine us getting a Gen 8 pokemon to promote the new game.
Here are my guesses for the 5 DLCs.

~Square Enix from the leaker (Geno / Noctis (Square is really pushing this guy) / Bravely Default rep)

~1st party 2019 character (Gen 8 Pokémon / Fire Emblem 2019 / Metroid Prime 4)

~Highly requested character (Banjo-Kazooie / Sora / Bandanna Waddle Dee)

~Additional 3rd party (Heihachi / Crash Bandicoot / Tails)

~Additional 1st party (Dixie Kong / Paper Mario / Chorus Kids)

Yea we are more likely to see more 3rd parties this go round, probably 3 at best.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 05, 2018, 02:44:19 pm
i'm hoping for an snk character to be one of the 5
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 05, 2018, 04:17:43 pm
Is Chun-Li an assist trophy? I haven't seen it yet, and if not, I think she has pretty good chance of being DLC. Popular character, very iconic, I can see her being included easily.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on November 05, 2018, 07:44:54 pm
I don't think Chun-Li's making it, in fact, with Guile as an Assist Trophy, I think she's out. She could be reduced to just a Spirit: an honorable mention in the form of a power-up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 05, 2018, 08:26:24 pm
I honestly can not see Crash Bandicoot minus Spyro.  The two are just too tightly tied together, it's like anything Ratchet & Clank minus Jak & Daxter.  Including one just begs attention brought to demanding the second.  Now personally, I'd want and gladly take both, but I would have to imagine it being viewed as greedy wanting two pseudo-PSOne mascots taking up a pair of the 5 DLC slots.  But on the other hand, Cloud got this same reception on how weird it was he was in the last game, so now FF VII's coming to Switch.  Crash's last game in on the Switch, and I believe Spyro's remastered trilogy is going to go there as well, so it's not like they're that outside the realm of possibility.

I'm also a little surprised at the lack of new Kirby reps.  Beyond Smash being build on the foundation of Kirby, this new game implying Kirby himself is going to play the star and Sakurai's involvement in both, Star Allies also wasn't that long ago and offered a lot of character templates that can just be transitioned over to Smash with some tweaks to make fit in better.  I have to imagine one of the characters from there will make the jump to Smash in DLC, likely Waddle Dee but arguments can be made for a number of them, from Marx being much more important to Dark Meta Knight's even easier transfer what with being an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on November 05, 2018, 09:07:16 pm
Beyond Smash being build on the foundation of Kirby, this new game implying Kirby himself is going to play the star and Sakurai's involvement in both, Star Allies also wasn't that long ago and offered a lot of character templates that can just be transitioned over to Smash with some tweaks to make fit in better.

After watching the video trailer, I originally wondered if Kirby survived the onslaught only because Sakurai created him, but now reading your key words that are in bold, I now ask if the entire Smash series was Kirby-centric. In other words, Smash was originally meant to be a Kirby game (even though it was the basis for another fighting game entirely), but Nintendo decided to take it a step further with the entire Nintendo family. Can you elaborate on this?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 05, 2018, 09:27:54 pm
Dark Meta Knight's even easier transfer what with being an echo fighter.

DLC won't feature echo fighters, so unless they magic up an entirely new moveset for him, I can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 05, 2018, 09:33:52 pm
I don't know all the specifics off-hand, but I do recall the original N64 Smash was initially designed as fighting game for a different project that was indeed swapped out to just cover Nintendo stars, and its gameplay was built off of Kirby 64.  I don't think it was a Kirby fighting game though, just some other project that got scrapped but its resources were reallocated into this new game that turned out to be Smash.  Sakurai didn't take over until Brawl, but I know he was involved in the game design process since the beginning, even doing the voice acting for Dedede to this day.

That said, Smash has always felt like a Kirby game that emphasized the fights to me, so the fact the series has gone on so long being less Kirby-centric is always puzzling.  Avoiding nepotism, I suppose, Sakurai also has tried to keep his distance from Kirby since he stopped working on them, but still.  Didn't stop him with pushing Kid Icarus.

Dark Meta Knight's even easier transfer what with being an echo fighter.

DLC won't feature echo fighters, so unless they magic up an entirely new moveset for him, I can't see it happening.

Oh no, I know, I'm not forgetting that they stated that, just it would be a much easier process to accomplish if they wanted to bring anyone over from Kirby.  Perhaps after these 5 they'll go for clone DLC, though I'm not holding my breath.  Though Dark Meta Knight really wouldn't be my first choice anyways, just because he's simple to do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 05, 2018, 10:07:51 pm
I'm also a little surprised at the lack of new Kirby reps.  Beyond Smash being build on the foundation of Kirby, this new game implying Kirby himself is going to play the star and Sakurai's involvement in both, Star Allies also wasn't that long ago and offered a lot of character templates that can just be transitioned over to Smash with some tweaks to make fit in better.  I have to imagine one of the characters from there will make the jump to Smash in DLC, likely Waddle Dee but arguments can be made for a number of them, from Marx being much more important to Dark Meta Knight's even easier transfer what with being an echo fighter.
Kirby definitely has a lot of neat canidates, especially with Star Allies bringing them back into the spot light.  Though it'll likely be Bandana Dee since he's essentially the last of the 4 main Kirby characters not in the game.

In regards to Kirby and Smash.  Sakurai has always been directing the series since 64 as far as I know.  Smash was original going to be an original fighting game until Sakurai decided to replace the placeholder characters with the original roster.  (Captain Falcon inherited the movesets of the original fighters.)  But you can definitely feel the influence that Kirby Super Star had on Sakurai when he first started on Smash.  Especially when you compare the recent Kirby games with Smash, it almost feels like Smash is "Kirby Super Star the fighting game, but not Kirby centric".  Though one could make the argument that Kirby evolved to be closer to Smash, thus their similar combat styles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2018, 02:26:21 am
I don't think Chun-Li's making it, in fact, with Guile as an Assist Trophy, I think she's out. She could be reduced to just a Spirit: an honorable mention in the form of a power-up.
You do realize that Chun-Li is much more iconic than he is, right? Also, there is no reason for us to believe that spirits are not gonna be playable at some point. Regarding Kirby, though, I think the one with most chance right now is Bandana Waddle Dee, for obvious reasons, but I still think its strange to make him DLC instead of a character from the base roster. I know he is a popular and beloved character, but I don't know if he would call as much attention as DLC as some other newcomers we have.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 06, 2018, 02:29:01 am
time to get back to the blog where we discuss a new assist trophy:

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Today's Item
Spring Man Assist Trophy
Spring Man jumps and dashes around the stage while using his stretchy arms to punch, punch, punch—just like he does in the ARMS game. In a pinch, he can unleash his powerful rush attack to pummel the opponent!

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/200_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/200_2.jpg)

i'm glad that arms is in smash bros now
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 06, 2018, 03:54:36 am
This might have been one of the biggest surprises of the direct for me.  I could have sworn that ARMS would be a shoo-in for a DLC character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2018, 04:12:10 am
This might have been one of the biggest surprises of the direct for me.  I could have sworn that ARMS would be a shoo-in for a DLC character.
It can still be.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 06, 2018, 04:47:47 am
Indeed, no written out rule declares that anyone in as an assist trophy is currently disqualified from being a playable character.  It does, however, logically leave one questioning what they would do with the assist trophy version should a playable version be added.  The playable version would either have to look drastically different enough from the summonable version so they do not get mixed up by players when both are on the field or they would have to drop the trophy version.  Which then would require a replacement, else you end up causing some form of complaint that your DLC character is paying to remove game content along with adding the character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 06, 2018, 05:18:39 am
Indeed, no written out rule declares that anyone in as an assist trophy is currently disqualified from being a playable character.  It does, however, logically leave one questioning what they would do with the assist trophy version should a playable version be added.  The playable version would either have to look drastically different enough from the summonable version so they do not get mixed up by players when both are on the field or they would have to drop the trophy version.  Which then would require a replacement, else you end up causing some form of complaint that your DLC character is paying to remove game content along with adding the character.
Or they could just swap the palette of the assist trophy lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2018, 06:26:14 am
Indeed, no written out rule declares that anyone in as an assist trophy is currently disqualified from being a playable character.  It does, however, logically leave one questioning what they would do with the assist trophy version should a playable version be added.  The playable version would either have to look drastically different enough from the summonable version so they do not get mixed up by players when both are on the field or they would have to drop the trophy version.  Which then would require a replacement, else you end up causing some form of complaint that your DLC character is paying to remove game content along with adding the character.
Or they could add Ribbon Girl, which is also a popular character from ARMS.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 06, 2018, 12:27:54 pm
Yes, it's not technically impossible, but the way that Sakurai talked about assist trophies and Mii fighter costumes kind of left the impression that these are characters that never had a chance of making it as fighters.  I get that ARMS started development too late to make it into the base roster, but I also feel like if Sakurai wanted to leave the DLC option on the table he wouldn't have put in all the work to make the assist trophy in the first place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2018, 01:03:25 pm
Yes, it's not technically impossible, but the way that Sakurai talked about assist trophies and Mii fighter costumes kind of left the impression that these are characters that never had a chance of making it as fighters.  I get that ARMS started development too late to make it into the base roster, but I also feel like if Sakurai wanted to leave the DLC option on the table he wouldn't have put in all the work to make the assist trophy in the first place.
That makes no sense whatsoever. There is absolutely nothing regarding the assist trophy that indicates there will be no ARMS DLC, specially because its not like the assist trophies have a big and creative moveset, like a playable character is likely to have, just have that guy stretch his arms to punch people and thats enough for an assist, but a playable character will have a lot better moves than him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 06, 2018, 02:38:41 pm
Yes it does make sense. Assist trophies and Mii fighter costumes were used in 4 to deconfirm things for all intents and purposes. And he's talking specifically about Spring Man, not all potential ARMS reps, I don't understand how you didn't realize that based on context.

The twintail girl is a heavy possible, since she's only in the game as a soul- souls are just stickers so they are less of a hard deconfirm than an assist trophy would be.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on November 06, 2018, 08:08:40 pm
I figure if an assist trophy does get promoted to playable and they kept both in the game, they'd just do like they do with some of the stages and keep the assist trophy from spawning if the fighter version was on the field

EDIT: meanwhile, in the land of the perpetually offended...
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/11/04/super-smash-bros-ultimate-nintendo-switch-racist-mr-game-and-watch/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 06, 2018, 11:06:13 pm
Really? People are offended by a sprite that references a game from 30+ years ago?

Can these people just jump off a cliff now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on November 07, 2018, 01:02:53 am
I wish I could but I’m not that stupid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 07, 2018, 03:09:54 am
This week's song goes with everything.



Arranged by Yuzo Koshiro, who's done a cubic buttload of music for pretty much every major game company and a ton of high profile games, from Streets of Rage to Namco X Capcom to Shenmue.

Also, Sakurai just tweeted out that the DLC roster has been officially locked in along with a plea for fans to stop assaulting him with character requests.



We've all seen the meme, but this is literally Sakurai saying "never ask me for anything ever again."  Delicious.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 07, 2018, 04:10:57 am
Can you blame him? I'm sure people annoyed him to death after Waluigi got deconfirmed, so I can imagine the same thing happened after they announced there would be five DLC characters. Its good for him to tell people to shut up, I don't think there is anything that can be done at this point regarding the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 07, 2018, 04:25:54 am
I'm already content with the roster and I'm glad they already confirmed that the 5 fighters have been chosen. Now I can tell Nintendo to shut up and take my money for the Fighter's Pass.

Also, Guile's not the only SF rep to be shown. Guile appears as a spirit alongside E. Honda, Balrog, Vega, Charlie, Blanka, Sagat and M. Bison. I also noticed Zack from FF7 appears as a spirit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 07, 2018, 04:30:06 am
wow they got an entire shadowloo team to be spirits. that's cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 07, 2018, 04:57:46 am
Can you blame him? I'm sure people annoyed him to death after Waluigi got deconfirmed, so I can imagine the same thing happened after they announced there would be five DLC characters. Its good for him to tell people to shut up, I don't think there is anything that can be done at this point regarding the roster.

Yeah, even I would be pretty annoyed after the 500th time someone asks for a character with 0% chance of getting in.

wow they got an entire shadowloo team to be spirits. that's cool

Indeed. Even I was surprised that they're going for some very obscure characters (to Nintendo fans I meant).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 07, 2018, 05:03:54 am
Meh, sounds like petty complaining. He does realize by human nature they're going to go even harder, right?

Them's the brakes owning a series like Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on November 07, 2018, 05:49:25 am
He doesn't own anything though, he's contracted by Nintendo to develop the series.  There's no point on bombaring him with requests for something when the DLC characters are already set in stone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 07, 2018, 05:50:08 am
Nintendo being involved with the DLC selection makes me believe we are not going to see Banjo or Sora.  Or a chunk of third-parties.

Hope you look forward to the 2019 Fire Emblem rep.

wow they got an entire shadowloo team to be spirits. that's cool
It'll be neat if they mixed in some of the newer SF cast like F.A.N.G or G.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 07, 2018, 05:59:04 am
Who knows, we have to wait 31 days for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 07, 2018, 07:35:19 am
I'm already content with the roster and I'm glad they already confirmed that the 5 fighters have been chosen. Now I can tell Nintendo to shut up and take my money for the Fighter's Pass.

Also, Guile's not the only SF rep to be shown. Guile appears as a spirit alongside E. Honda, Balrog, Vega, Charlie, Blanka, Sagat and M. Bison. I also noticed Zack from FF7 appears as a spirit.
And Chun-Li isn't among them? Not even as a spirit?

Nintendo being involved with the DLC selection makes me believe we are not going to see Banjo or Sora.  Or a chunk of third-parties.
I fail to see why. We have many third-party characters that are not even Nintendo exclusive in the roster, nothing prevents others to show up.

Kirishima said:
wow they got an entire shadowloo team to be spirits. that's cool
It'll be neat if they mixed in some of the newer SF cast like F.A.N.G or G.
Yeah, no. Characters like Ryu, Ken and Guile at least appeared in Nintendo consoles at some point (Shadowloo is an organization tied to Bison, so it works too). FANG and G came in a PS4/PC game, they have pretty much no chance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 07, 2018, 07:56:22 am
With the announcement that Nintendo's the one who prepicked the characters, it looks like we'll be seeing a lot more promotional characters like Corrin and Roy.

A new FE character is a pretty obvious choice, but I can also forsee them wanting to put in a Pokemon Gen 8 rep, or a Metroid Prime 4 character.
Hell maybe they'll even do new characters from currently unannounced games or franchises.
Unfortunately, it looks like any Nintendo character not currently relevant has pretty much been shot down.  As well as any third party character, unless thier parent company managed to strike some sort of deal with Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 07, 2018, 08:38:36 am
Switch FE Lord is definitely a shoo in now. I'm sure he'll be cool, but it's going to be disappointing if he's another sword lord because despite a lot of FE characters, FE could use better representation in Axe/Lance users(It's rather surprising that Hector wasn't even considered considering how popular he is).

Outside of Switch lord, I think they might throw a representative of a series they might consider pushing soon, let Namco throw someone else(I'm thinking Heihachi, Jin or Nightmare) and/or a surprise Third party character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 07, 2018, 09:50:23 am
Even better is that according to SmashWiki, everyone's theme from the original Street Fighter II is included in both Type A (CPS1) and B (CPS2) variants.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 07, 2018, 12:46:49 pm
Nintendo being involved with the DLC selection makes me believe we are not going to see Banjo or Sora.  Or a chunk of third-parties.

Hope you look forward to the 2019 Fire Emblem rep.
FWIW, Vergeben (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77160319) and a few other leakers who he considers to be credible have been saying that Nintendo has been working with a few other developers for the DLC.  There's still the unnamed Square Enix rep he keeps bringing up, as well as some sort of undetermined Minecraft content from Microsoft that he's sticking by as well.  Apparently Nintendo has also been having serious talks with Cygames about a guest character.  Katalina from Granblue Fantasy has allegedly been brought up by name, but they did recently work with Nintendo to develop Dragalia Lost so it could be someone from there.

On the Microsoft front, another source (https://twitter.com/GenosPapa/status/1058517941044551681) who accurately leaked how Spirits mode functions is saying that Banjo-Kazooie is coming.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 07, 2018, 01:56:16 pm
Well Chun-Li isn't there yet but we'll have the complete list of spirits soon so no doubt she'll be there. I hope Feraligatr is one of the spirits, I'll die happy if it is.

And wait, the SF2 cast have BOTH CPS1 and CPS2 themes in the game!? But what about remixes? We got Vega, Ken, Ryu and Guile so far.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 07, 2018, 02:50:14 pm
https://www.ssbwiki.com/Music_(SSBU)#Street_Fighter

You had both CPS1 and CPS2 themes in Smash 4, though it was only Ryu and Ken.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 08, 2018, 12:32:19 am
Hope the rest get new remixes like Ryu, Ken and Guile did.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 08, 2018, 12:36:42 am
Well Chun-Li isn't there yet but we'll have the complete list of spirits soon so no doubt she'll be there. I hope Feraligatr is one of the spirits, I'll die happy if it is.

And wait, the SF2 cast have BOTH CPS1 and CPS2 themes in the game!? But what about remixes? We got Vega, Ken, Ryu and Guile so far.
In a way, I kinda like how she is totally absent, because that could be a hint at her eventually becoming DLC, which would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 08, 2018, 12:41:22 am
Even though we're getting DLC, they wouldn't appear nor be used in World of Light.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 08, 2018, 02:17:28 am


Quote
Today's Fighter
#40: Olimar
Captain Olimar battles by issuing commands to various types of Pikmin under his control. Pikmin come in different colors that correspond to different abilities. Olimar's alternate appearance lets you play as Alph!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 09, 2018, 12:21:44 am


Sakurai brought godsdamn Disaster: Day of Crisis into this. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 09, 2018, 02:34:20 am
I'm going to be surprised if Crash Bandicoot is not DLC.

But, but Nintendo!
1. N.Sane Trilogies on Switch.
2. Heavily Iconic. (Nintendo, Sony and Sega's 90's rivalary)
3. Has 5 Nintendo exclusive titles to his name!

Could be more reasons to go by, but those are not bad.
I do want me some Banjo & Kazooie too, but Crash is my top most wanted 3rd Party, and I think it could happen at some point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 09, 2018, 02:59:35 am
today's blog is one of the new assist trophies that was featured in the final direct:

Quote
Today's Item
Yuri Kozukata Assist Trophy
The protagonist of the Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water game is now an assist trophy. If she gets you with her Camera Obscura you'll be paralyzed for a short time, so watch out!

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/207_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/207_2.jpg)

qiuestion relating to this today blog: has anyone ever heard or played a fatal frame game before? i haven't
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 09, 2018, 03:00:27 am
I would so turn my view of Ultimate 360 degrees if Crash was playable.

So he's most likely going to be an assist, "spirit" and someone who dies.

EDIT: I have heard of Fatal Frame before. Horror game where you take pictures of ghosts.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 09, 2018, 03:03:03 am
I've never played Fatal Frame myself, but I've definitely heard about it.  I really like that she got in as an assist trophy.  It's so cool to see a horror game get some representation in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Block on November 09, 2018, 03:05:15 am
One step closer to a Resident Evil Assist Trophy
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 12, 2018, 12:42:03 am


The cinematics for this game are incredible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 12, 2018, 01:45:53 am
Saw that! That is sick af!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 12, 2018, 01:55:19 am
It gets even better with the proper background music. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3aZSpGwDJ4)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on November 12, 2018, 07:15:51 pm
Holy shit, that fits so well.... I wonder what other songs can fit with it?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 12, 2018, 08:42:50 pm
Oh, people have been having a field day adding music to that commercial since Nintendo for some reason decided not to use any.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 13, 2018, 04:26:47 am
here's today's blog:

https://twitter.com/SSBUNews/status/1062151640894095365
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2018, 02:25:54 am
This week's track is Seaskape from Splatoon, arranged by Hirokazu "Hip" Tanaka, one of Nintendo's most predominant in-house musicians of the 8-Bit era.  He's known for composing the original NES music for Metroid, Kid Icarus, Dr. Mario, and the Mother series among others.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 14, 2018, 11:03:10 pm
Huh... the theme used when they were showcasing the first 3 amiibos for Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 15, 2018, 03:32:16 am
here's today's blog about another new assist trophy:

Quote
Today's Item
Akira Assist Trophy
From the original Virtua Fighter game, Akira joins the battle with the same graphic style as his original appearance. He has a wide variety of attacks at his disposal, but none represent him better than his Tetsuzankou. When he leaves the fight he says his signature line!
*By the way, Bayonetta's forward throw is also based off of Tetsuzankou.

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/212_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/212_2.jpg)

question relating to this blog: which virtual fighter do you want in smash bros? me i want kage-maru to be in it because if smash bros is in ever need of more ninja characters, it needs kage-maru and ryu hayabusa from ninja gaiden
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 15, 2018, 04:23:56 am
I would like Pai to be a fighter in Smash Bros. I wonder if she can think of new ideas for a new movie since she is a movie star when she's not fighting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 15, 2018, 04:33:37 am
Would have rather had a Tekken assist.

Or a Streets of Rage assist. What the hell is that Tetsu attack anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 15, 2018, 04:50:36 am
The DLC is probably gonna be a 3rd party character that isn't repped yet. There hasn't been a single 3rd party character with more than 1 rep playable so I think it's gonna be other franchises that Nintendo can collaborate with and profit off of
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 15, 2018, 05:33:54 am
Ken and Richter say hi
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 15, 2018, 09:46:37 am
Those are echoes. I'm talking about full characters. Sakurai himself doesn't consider Ken his own slot, he's quoted saying to think of Ken "as more of an echo with extra juice added to him" as he thinks Ken would anger alot of people if he put his own slot on the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 15, 2018, 10:19:53 am
Would have rather had a Tekken assist.

Or a Streets of Rage assist. What the hell is that Tetsu attack anyway.
The tetsuzanko is one of the most iconic attacks in fighting games lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 15, 2018, 10:52:55 am
Even our boy Kung Fu Man has one, lol.
(https://i.imgur.com/13XxLAq.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Baby Bonnie Hood on November 15, 2018, 11:14:17 am
Oh, it's the move that Yun does.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 15, 2018, 03:40:15 pm
Tetsuzanko.

If anything I want akira to be there, just to har all the people complain about shotoclones.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on November 15, 2018, 05:16:23 pm
That's right. One of my favorite moves in the VF series.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 15, 2018, 06:45:03 pm
IIRC  I founf a tetsuzanko compilation video in youtube, but maybe it was only a playlist, at worse it was a bunch of related youtube suggestions. will check at lunch time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 15, 2018, 08:20:31 pm
The DLC is probably gonna be a 3rd party character that isn't repped yet. There hasn't been a single 3rd party character with more than 1 rep playable so I think it's gonna be other franchises that Nintendo can collaborate with and profit off of
Maybe Chun-Li? Like I said before, she seems a quite likely addition, considering how iconic she is and yet she didn't show up yet in any way so far (even if she is in as a spirit, that doesn't deconfirm her yet either).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 15, 2018, 09:03:55 pm
Nothing against Chun-Li, but with 3 characters, 2 stages, and upwards of 50 songs on the soundtrack, I feel like Capcom's got enough representation.  If anything, Namco should get another rep.  They're co-developing the dang thing and they only have Pac-Man and whatever old-school retro arcade references they've crammed into his movelist.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 15, 2018, 09:53:24 pm
Not having Dig Dug in there does feel like a missed opportunity on their part
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 15, 2018, 10:19:14 pm
Or even Heihachi.  Mappy, maybe.  Something else besides Pac-Man, at least before we get a 3rd or 4th rep from another 3rd party.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 15, 2018, 10:42:59 pm
Not having Dig Dug in there does feel like a missed opportunity on their part
Normally I'd say that with Bomberman out, Dig Dug had no chance, but we have Piranha Plant, which means there is no such thing as logic involved...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on November 15, 2018, 11:01:51 pm
Or even Heihachi.  Mappy, maybe.  Something else besides Pac-Man, at least before we get a 3rd or 4th rep from another 3rd party.

I think you all are forgetting about somebody.....
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 15, 2018, 11:44:54 pm
Or even Heihachi.  Mappy, maybe.  Something else besides Pac-Man, at least before we get a 3rd or 4th rep from another 3rd party.

I think you all are forgetting about somebody.....
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Very forgettable indeed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 16, 2018, 02:22:07 am
here's a tweet of todays blog about one of the 2 kirby characters that were added in smash bros brawl, it's meta knight here's the link:

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1063137054362685440
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 16, 2018, 02:42:28 am


I liked how Ness and Lucas got new victory themes. Same for Lucina and Robin. I'm surprised Chrom doesn't share their new victory theme. Roy's in English as well and Corrin has a new victory theme as well. I wonder if Young Link's victory theme is used for the other LoZ fighters. Seems shorter in length than the previous.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Sheng Long on November 16, 2018, 02:47:57 am
I don't understand why they coudln't use modern day Akira, instead of that polygonal one. I mean, sure it's a nice call back form the original Virtua Fighter's art style, but it just doesn't match the art styles of the other things in the game. Though I guess I can't complain too much since its just an assist trophy character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on November 16, 2018, 02:51:42 am
I don't understand why they coudln't use modern day Akira, instead of that polygonal one.
If they could use the old one, then they could use the modern one. But obviously it's not the joke they wanted to make.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 16, 2018, 02:54:55 am
I liked how Ness and Lucas got new victory themes. Same for Lucina and Robin. I'm surprised Chrom doesn't share their new victory theme. Roy's in English as well and Corrin has a new victory theme as well. I wonder if Young Link's victory theme is used for the other LoZ fighters. Seems shorter in length than the previous.

Oh wow, that attention to detail.  There's actually a separate voice line for dual characters on the victory screen.  Usually it's "character name" followed by the same voice clip shouting "wins" for everyone.  But at 3:45 on that video it clearly says "Rosalina & Luma win" because it's announcing for two of them.  That's crazy they took the time to do that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 16, 2018, 03:04:03 am
I hope the announcer says "Ice Climbers win!" in the released version
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 16, 2018, 04:55:34 am
I would have thought Sonic would have been big enough to earn a echo at the very least. Nothing but disappointments. Even Smash 4 had Gamer which looked super cool at first but then oh boy...

Klonoa would have been leagues and bounds a better choice than what they turned Pac into. Dig Dug himself's not even in that dumb taunt. Now would be a good time to aim for a Tekken character but doubt all around.

There's rumors Steve from Minecraft will be DLC. Doubt, that would be cool as hell.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 16, 2018, 08:32:34 am
Those are echoes. I'm talking about full characters. Sakurai himself doesn't consider Ken his own slot, he's quoted saying to think of Ken "as more of an echo with extra juice added to him" as he thinks Ken would anger alot of people if he put his own slot on the roster.
I know, I was joking. :P

But yeah honestly, I agree.  While a second 3rd party rep isn't out of the question, they would likely get a lot more out of introducing a new 3rd party franchise.

That said, I'm pretty surprised how NamcoBandai has a lack of multiple 3rd party reps, especially considering how involved they were in developing Smash 4 and 5, yet Sega, Capcom, and Konami has more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 16, 2018, 02:32:31 pm
This would be the perfect chance with DLC to give Bandai Namco a slot within the five DLC characters. In fact, here's my guesses. Feel free to commend/criticize...

Geno: Easily the most popular original character to come from Super Mario RPG, he would return after 22 years of being on the shelf. This would also be considered (In my view) part of the reconciliation between Square Enix and Nintendo.

Heihachi OR Kazuya: Going on what vgma2 mentioned in that it's shocking that Bandai Namco doesn't more reps outside of Pac-Man, well... here's your answer. Either way, you get something out of this: With Heihachi, you could have a character that could be the first character to appear in two mainstream platform fighters and with either one, you're sure to get a better game then Street Fighter x Tekken could ever be.

NEW 3rd Party Entry: With Smash Brothers as being the ultimate crossover battle, it makes sense to put in another 3rd party character. My problem? Well, I can't think of anything... and no to the Minecraft guy. Minecraft can go die in a tire fire mixed with oil.

Waluigi: Might as well throw this dork a bone and let him in. It would also open the door for other Assist Trophies to become full fledged characters should they want to do that.

New Generation Pokemon: With the advent of a possible new generation of Pokemon in the near future, why not try to add a character from this potential group.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 16, 2018, 02:36:13 pm
that could be the first character to appear in two mainstream platform fighters

Snake was in Dreammix TV before being in Brawl. Simon was also in this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 16, 2018, 05:11:36 pm
Nothing but disappointments.
I don't see how anyone can say this with what this game is packed with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 16, 2018, 07:03:05 pm
blue cat guy obviously doesn't appreciate anything put into it so people like him who have unrealistic expectations are people who can say that apparently.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 17, 2018, 12:13:08 am
That is the sad truth. No matter how amazing something looks, even if it's close to perfect, someone is bound to be disappointed, even as far as being ungrateful.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 17, 2018, 12:15:17 am
doraemon guy has always been like that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 17, 2018, 04:15:51 am
Falco has a new victory pose where he walks to the camera, shrugs and says "Sorry! Gotta jet!" while crossing his arms. It replaces his victory pose where he says "You aren't worth the trouble."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 17, 2018, 05:10:03 am
I can be hyper-critical about the things I like, going on pedantic with things like anything Metroid in this game, but there's always a majority of good surrounding any news with this game.  I find it hard to believe one can find absolutely nothing good about this game like that.  Yes, they missed out on the very clear obvious choice in making Shadow a character, but you still literally have the rest of the game to enjoy, and in the end it's just Shadow.  A secondary character who beyond simplicity in bringing to Smash by pasting over Sonic's pre-existing moves is probably third on the list of more appropriate Sonic characters to get in. (And way down the list on Sega as a whole)


Anyways, speaking of being pedantic about Metroid, it just occurred to me that with voiced cutscenes, including those typically previously in the "Do Not Voice" category of Nintendo characters like pre-BotW Zelda, that they might have Link throw out a line or two, but as bizarre as that is to consider on its own, more bothering to me is what are they gonna do with Samus?  This is still clearly Other M Samus, for god knows what reason they stick to it at this point.  I sincerely do not wish that we get all this great game and bog down her participation in it with more "The Baby"-esque dialogue.  I think Sakamoto got the message reluctantly over the years, but don't know Sakurai's stance on the matter of Samus' character?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 17, 2018, 01:54:10 pm
Sakurai made it pretty explicit that this is not going to be like Subspace Emissary, so I wouldn't get your hopes up for a bunch of fully voiced cutscenes.  If there is dialogue the majority of it will likely be delivered via text.

:EDIT:  Palutena's guidance is back, with new convos for all the newcomers (and presumably the Sm4sh DLC crew who never got a proper one).




Sounds like they had to get a different VA for Viridi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Baby Bonnie Hood on November 20, 2018, 01:04:05 am
If only Snake got the same treatment, but it's no doubt way more of a hassle since he's not a first party Nintendo IP like Pit is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 20, 2018, 02:39:28 am
Here's some clean gameplay of World of Light


Looks way more fun than I thought.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 20, 2018, 03:08:28 am
I love that there's a Dan Hibiki spirit fight against a Ken who never stops taunting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 20, 2018, 11:33:45 pm


Big spotlight for Xander Mobus for this video. I died when he asked does he get overtime.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 20, 2018, 11:41:37 pm


Palutena and Viridi casually neglecting to mention all the shade they threw at Chrom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCNTnfxhkU) for getting cut from Sm4sh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 21, 2018, 12:42:25 am
I wonder if they changed the guidance against Robin. I know they have to change Link, Ganondorf and Zelda now since they're using different incarnations.

EDIT: https://gonintendo.com/stories/323095-smash-bros-ultimate-will-not-allow-for-custom-moves-or-equippabl

Custom moves and equippable items are gone. Only Miis will have custom moves.

EDIT 2: This week's Smash track: Bowser's Theme from Super Mario Bros 3

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 21, 2018, 12:52:15 pm
Sixteen more days until release.

Who is planning to get the game on day one?

I probably would get it on day one, but I haven't preordered the game and I am willing to bet that by the time I get to the store to pick up a copy, they will be all gone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 21, 2018, 11:14:57 pm
I already pre-ordered mine back in August so I have nothing to worry about except the long line to get the game... I wonder if the line will be shorter after 3PM cuz I'm off work at that time. Unfortunately I can't get the Wolf Amiibo the same day cuz it's coming from the warehouse so I have to wait between the 10th and 13th to get it. Least the Amiibo's fully paid so I can pick it up without getting in line.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on November 22, 2018, 12:44:33 am
I ordered the special edition from Gamestop, but it isn't available to pick up in store for whatever reason. All I know is it better get here quick, cuz I paid top dollar for the quickest shipping they had to offer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on November 22, 2018, 12:52:26 am
I ordered the special edition too, but yeah, I wasn't going to spend an extra $40 for day-one shipping, when I'm sure I'm not gonna die not being there from zero hour of release, and it's not like if there's anything to be spoiled that hasn't been yet that I wouldn't get shoved down my throat through social media prior to me getting anywhere far in the game should I get it right away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 22, 2018, 02:35:56 am
I still need to cancel my GameStop preorder and buy the digital preorder w dlc
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 22, 2018, 08:37:44 am
All you need to do to get Piranha Plant with physical copy is register the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 22, 2018, 03:21:50 pm
I just no longer want to risk the kids losing physical copies :p
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 23, 2018, 04:52:23 pm
Makes sense. :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on November 23, 2018, 11:13:08 pm
Heads up: The game has been datamined and info is being leaked.
Be careful if you want to avoid spoilers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 23, 2018, 11:18:57 pm
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!??? I've GOTTA see this!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 24, 2018, 02:18:33 am
Spoiler: The lightest of possible spoilers (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on November 24, 2018, 02:34:46 am
Oh wow, I wonder where as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 24, 2018, 04:30:45 am
Heads up: The game has been datamined and info is being leaked.
Be careful if you want to avoid spoilers.
Avoid? Why would I want that?

Spoiler: The lightest of possible spoilers (click to see content)
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 24, 2018, 06:02:59 am
In case you want to be surprised.

But yeah, I've pre-ordered the digital version with the DLC as well.
What's everyone gonna be playing when they get their hands on the game?
I'm gonna be running classic with several characters to unlock everyone before tackling the World of Light.
...and jumping online for both casual and competitive matches.

How about you guys?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 24, 2018, 06:51:33 am
World of Light before ANYTHING! I want to unlock everyone from there. Then have my extreme fun with Smash and Classic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on November 24, 2018, 12:41:45 pm
Spoiler: lolcloud (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: hatter on November 24, 2018, 12:49:44 pm
Spoiler: lolcloud (click to see content)
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on November 24, 2018, 01:06:37 pm
^
Spoiler: (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 24, 2018, 01:51:27 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on November 24, 2018, 03:22:22 pm
Music spoiler
Wow, I find that really terrible. It's way too jerky and the exact opposite of what made it good in the original game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 24, 2018, 04:13:39 pm
Really?  To each his own, I suppose.  I love the energy that they brought to that track.

Spoiler: More music spoilers (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 24, 2018, 05:34:32 pm
IS there a playlist on YouTube with all currently ripped tracks yet? I'm on mobile or Id look myself
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on November 24, 2018, 05:44:14 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 24, 2018, 06:16:19 pm
IS there a playlist on YouTube with all currently ripped tracks yet? I'm on mobile or Id look myself

Here's one (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV9ZrDQVqbTVVlm73iVqprXLLR4c0l97v) that appears to be the most complete listing so far.

This one (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV9ZrDQVqbTUY3lofJWjY5kh7YMuy9vQM) is a playlist of just the new arrangements made for Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 25, 2018, 01:17:04 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 25, 2018, 01:22:15 am
It seems datamining didn't find any DLC character evidence yet, such a shame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 25, 2018, 01:27:24 am
Good... meaning they aren't complete yet. I want to be at least surprised at launch to see who these 5 DLC fighters are.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on November 25, 2018, 01:31:11 am
I want to be at least surprised at launch
Have you tried not looking at the leaks ?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 25, 2018, 02:11:06 am
Only the music leaks... trying to avoid the rest.

also
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 25, 2018, 09:46:03 am
Fair's fair, not everyone is courteous enough to not post spoilers without hiding them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 25, 2018, 01:05:58 pm
i wish smash bros would remix star man's theme from mega man 5
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 25, 2018, 04:53:45 pm
Since the channel with the soundtrack playlist I posted before is understandably in the middle of a mass takedown, here's a link to a text document with the full soundtrack, for those who want to know.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on November 25, 2018, 07:24:57 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 25, 2018, 08:32:13 pm
Did they ever confirm who the true final boss was for Ultimate? The article on Galeem (https://www.ssbwiki.com/Galeem) states that it is one of the two main antagonists.

Who's the second?
Lol did you even read the article on Galeem? It's like two lines from what you mentioned.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Dharkon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 25, 2018, 08:46:05 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 25, 2018, 08:47:07 pm
^^ Might wanna spoiler that one, just in case.

Spoiler: Speaking of (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 25, 2018, 10:14:24 pm
^^ Might wanna spoiler that one, just in case.

Spoiler: Speaking of (click to see content)
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 25, 2018, 10:33:40 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 26, 2018, 12:27:44 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xenomic on November 26, 2018, 01:40:29 am
RIP Crunchii, his channel got canned from uploading this music (yet ProfasiaGaming is still around, somehow...).

I kinda want to get a Switch to play this, but at the same time, I don't want to fall into another trap of buying a console for just one game, like I did with the last console I bought (which was the Wii. Granted, I got OTHER games, but I never played any of them more than once other than Brawl so...).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 26, 2018, 01:58:36 am
the switch is worth getting trust me, the fact its a portable console alone is enough for it to be a good buy
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 26, 2018, 02:03:56 am
You won't regret getting the console, trust me. They're planning other games for the Switch in the upcoming year. I feel 2019 will be the Year of the Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 26, 2018, 03:15:00 am
I actually just bought a Switch this weekend.  Got it with Mario Party and Splatoon 2 to start, but it was 90% for Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 26, 2018, 08:41:54 am
Some words from a busy student that may or may not convince you.

I'm assuming you've already looked through the catalouge of 1st party games.
Any indie or 3rd party games that interest you, but don't have on other platforms? (Or maybe you already have them but love it enough to buy it multiple times)  Are you in a situation where it's inconvenient to set up your other systems?

Being to play it on handheld is a huge blessing.  Carry it around with you on the go; great if you have long transit trips to school or work.  Or if you need to go on a trip and need to kill time for a bit.  It also really great for vacations.  It's compact size and few items to bring make carrying it around a lot simpler than other consoles.

No need to set up the television.  This aspect actually got me to play games again a lot more since it's always been annoying for me to set up everything from controllers, to TV inputs, etc.  I can just play from the comfort of my room, where I'm usually at anyways.  If you want, you can pretty much sneak in a quick session before and after you sleep. (Just don't mess up your sleep schedule.)

The Switch's ability to sleep and resume immediately is really good for short burst of play time if you don't have the time to do longer sessions often.  You almost never actually turn your Switch off.

Various side notes if you decide to go for it:
Don't sleep on indie/eShop only games.  Plenty of hidden gems in there.  Also good if first party / third party AAA games are too expensive for you.  ($80 CAD per game is lovely)

Watch out for 3rd party docks.  Most if not all are known to brick your system.  (Thank Nintendo for that part.)

Get a screen protector.  Like for realzies, you'll need one.

Also
@no1wammy:
@Umezono:
Jesus Christ, spoiler tags PLEASE
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 26, 2018, 09:18:01 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2018, 05:10:39 am
So now that all the spirits have been datamined out, people are starting in on the theorycrafting about what it could mean for the DLC fighters.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nep Heart on November 27, 2018, 05:19:57 am
(https://i.ibb.co/WkbY7gd/ultimate-roster.png)

https://apps.warchamp7.com/smash/rosterUlt/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 27, 2018, 06:28:58 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xfIETTF.jpg)

https://apps.warchamp7.com/smash/rosterUlt/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 27, 2018, 07:20:14 am
So now that all the spirits have been datamined out, people are starting in on the theorycrafting about what it could mean for the DLC fighters.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on November 27, 2018, 10:07:22 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 27, 2018, 01:04:52 pm
I don’t think being a Spirit deconfirms any particular character from being DLC

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2018, 01:33:21 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 27, 2018, 02:34:00 pm
Might as well.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/184063577714458635/516962328311496704/unknown.png)
Hoping to get good enough as Falcon that I consider him a secondary this time around.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 27, 2018, 02:53:33 pm
I don’t think being a Spirit deconfirms any particular character from being DLC

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2018, 03:09:35 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: crimson_snow on November 27, 2018, 03:19:25 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on November 27, 2018, 04:17:14 pm
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/d9c5/f/2018/327/1/5/my_mains_for_super_smash_bros_ultimate_by_k6666orochi-dcspxz0.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 27, 2018, 04:21:46 pm
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Exactly what I’ve been trying to to say. Spirits are spirits, characters are characters. They’re each their own separate thing and spirits aren’t necessarily indicators of what future DLC looks like.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on November 27, 2018, 10:28:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tKpjxb4.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on November 27, 2018, 10:47:09 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ebEpSWf.png)

I hope we can actually play This time!

Hyped for RIDLEY.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 28, 2018, 05:31:55 am
(https://i.imgur.com/4tG0C7g.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 28, 2018, 07:56:13 am
Because I'm a bozo who couldn't decide how many characters he wanted to play.
(https://i.imgur.com/yRfr9wz.png)
Color coded with Blue being characters I intend to play seriously, Red being characters that were fun side fighters in Smash 4, Grey being characters I really want to try and see how well they do in this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 28, 2018, 08:06:17 am


they added in the X vs Zero theme


oh fuck yes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 28, 2018, 12:30:17 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/bslYuEW.png)
"Hey, but you're supposed to have less characters!" No, bitch, I am not. I am no pro player, I don't even have this game, nor the console, nor money to buy it, and this is my dream roster, let me dream.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 28, 2018, 01:19:39 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/qgToW6h.png)

Y'all need to get your roster priorities in order.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 28, 2018, 02:03:12 pm
[avatar]https://apps.warchamp7.com/smash/rosterUlt/ult/chara_1_piranha_00.png[/avatar]Gosh, you're right.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436014954361913354/516977936428040192/unknown.png)
Just pretend each image is a different alt.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 28, 2018, 03:17:11 pm
Shame on you... you didn't pick the alts unless you couldn't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 28, 2018, 03:51:34 pm
So how do you unlock the roster? (http://www.elecspo.com/games/super-smash-bros/how-to-unlock-characters-in-smash-bros-ultimate-revealed-by-leaks/amp)
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 29, 2018, 12:18:39 am


Details on why Kirby was the sole WoL survivor and the Day 1 Patch explaination.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 29, 2018, 04:35:46 am
So in a game with 70 + characters where you only start with twelve... There's literally a cooldown system in place so you aren't able to use all the characters they advertised in a day...?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 29, 2018, 04:37:43 am
its a 10 minute cooldown man.


you unlock everything within a matter of hours.


i seriously do not see how this is a bad thing
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 29, 2018, 04:52:53 am
To be honest, adding a cooldown period is an odd choice. While I get the decision to have so many unlockables, having to put a cooldown is honestly a cheap way to slow down player progress. Some players want to take it slow and some want to get it out of the way quickly. They should have just upped the number of Vs matches as a requirement instead.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 29, 2018, 05:15:16 am
Well I plan on getting everyone via World of Light anyway so the cooldown doesn't even bother me much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 29, 2018, 06:54:20 am
They should have just upped the number of Vs matches as a requirement instead.
I honestly think their new methods are better than the # VS matches method.

It's pretty much there for players who aren't in a huge rush to get everyone and want to take things at a slower pace.  A normal match would take around 2-5 minutes, with a character being unlocked every 5 matches.  You could make the argument that it slows down players trying to use the SD method to get everyone ASAP, but anyone trying to get all the characters fast would just use the reset method, which is probably faster than SDing for who knows how many matches.  (Assuming loading up the game isn't as slow as molasses like Smash 4.)  As a bonus, it won't poison your play records.

EDIT: So I heard apparently the reset method might be gone after the patch?  Did I miss out on an official statement or something?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on November 29, 2018, 03:06:53 pm
I think this is completely pointless.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Sheng Long on November 29, 2018, 10:30:02 pm
Wait... So the cool down timer still active, even if you close the game, go back to home menu and re-open SSBU?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 30, 2018, 01:01:58 am
I don't really get the appeal in rushing to unlock everything as fast as possible.  Even with the cooldown, if you just play the game normally testing out characters as you get them you'll still unlock them all at a pretty fast clip. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on November 30, 2018, 01:25:15 am
If you are attempting to run a tournament you need everything unlocked ASAP.  But for people who aren't TOs I don't think it's a huge deal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on November 30, 2018, 03:12:39 am
yesterday's smash bros blog is about an assist trophy that reminded me of nostaglia, here it is:

Quote
Today's Item
Flies & Hand Assist Trophy
Flies buzz around the stage, and a hand holding a fly swatter goes around swatting up a storm. Getting caught in the swat-storm will cause severe damage, so think like a fly and run away!

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/234_1.jpg)

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/234_2.jpg)

i remember this fly swatting game when i was young when i still had my snes along with mario paint
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on November 30, 2018, 08:18:05 pm
1 more week left!
Let's go guys!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xhominid on December 01, 2018, 11:36:59 pm
Finally preordered the game on Amazon and boought a 20$ Nintendo Pass, I am so damn ready.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2018, 02:00:25 pm
Starting on December 14th, if you have save data from Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee you'll unlock a set of spirits from those games.



Crazy to see Pikachu downgraded to just being a spirit.  Guess that means it won't be playable this time around.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mr. Giang on December 02, 2018, 02:05:04 pm
Starting on December 14th, if you have save data from Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee you'll unlock a set of spirits from those games.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pv63Sxpotc[/youtube]

Crazy to see Pikachu downgraded to just being a spirit.  Guess that means it won't be playable this time around.

Must save slot for Detective Pikachu.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on December 02, 2018, 03:00:31 pm
Isn't that a bit different?  Pokemon are generic species and not solitary characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2018, 03:44:29 pm
I mean yeah, the argument could be made that's the spirit of a specific Pikachu - namely the one that accompanies the player throughout Let's Go Pikachu.  I'm just poking a little fun at the whole "spirits 100% deconfirm characters" thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on December 02, 2018, 08:28:36 pm
Found these images on the official Nintendo AU NZ Twitter. These new spirits are officially named "Partner Pikachu" and "Partner Eevee".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtX-thVXQAEvWNz.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtX-t3nXQAARq4b.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 02, 2018, 08:39:15 pm
Hm.  A cross-promotion like this actual brings to mind that Eevee would have been a nice addition as a playable character.  The various Eeveelutions getting used as the other colors like Bowser Jr. does with the Koopa Kids would be the icing on top, too.  Ah well.

Wonder if they're going to branch out to other exclusives like this with Mario Odyssey, Star Allies or Octopath Traveler?  Would be a neat incentive for people just getting their Switch now for Smash solely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 02, 2018, 10:02:37 pm
Hm.  A cross-promotion like this actual brings to mind that Eevee would have been a nice addition as a playable character.  The various Eeveelutions getting used as the other colors like Bowser Jr. does with the Koopa Kids would be the icing on top, too.  Ah well.

Wonder if they're going to branch out to other exclusives like this with Mario Odyssey, Star Allies or Octopath Traveler?  Would be a neat incentive for people just getting their Switch now for Smash solely.
Having Eeveelutions as colors would make no sense, would they use only attacks that Eevee can learn, then? That beats the whole point of adding them. Maybe if they included Rival (Blue) as a character and had him switch between the three original Eeveelutions, or just give Eevee those crazy moves he has in Let's Go.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 02, 2018, 10:13:38 pm
You can be a buzzkill sometimes, ya know?  Just some speculating on something I have no illusions of happening anyways.  But sure, give the Eevee Swift and the rest their elemental equivalent cosmetic changes for a basic projectile.  Only odd ones would probably be Umbreon would get Payback and Slyveon would get Fairy Wind, I guess.

Blue wouldn't make much sense without them changing the Pokémon Trainer's name to Red/Leaf anyways.  And I like the idea of a Giovanni triple swap character over Blue anyways, gets another villain in the roster too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2018, 10:38:45 pm
If any other human characters from Pokemon were to get in I want Jessie and James or nobody.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on December 03, 2018, 06:45:46 am
So, small breakdown on recent leaks, maybe useful to put on some fuel onto discussion:
Vergeben claimed not too long ago that the Minecraft content was a boss: (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77233375?jumpto=97#97)
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Minecraft is in Smash but represented with a boss. I am curious if Minecraft representation about being a fighter or AT was an intentional misdirect now. But there you have it.
Now, since this happened after the game got datamined with all the available stuff, everyone on his circle is wondering what's up with it (since there's no Minecraft content in the game).

Now, remember when he said there was a Square character and that he had a list of seven names? Well, someone managed to snatch that list and posted it publicly: (https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-%E2%99%A5%E2%99%AA-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-360#post-22765053)
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There 'ya go, if a Square characters is announced, it's probably one of those guys.

The guy who claimed this also says Lloyd may join the roster, (https://smashboards.com/threads/the-definitive-lloyd-irving-thread-lloyd-survives-the-slaughter.456945/post-22790497) but it's nothing he's sure of yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 03, 2018, 04:12:05 pm
Considering how miserly SE has been with FFVII content in Smash, why would anyone believe a list that says Sephiroth is likely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 03, 2018, 05:32:39 pm
Besides Sephiroth being the developer's own personal hell to balance with a sword that covers half the stage, wouldn't it make more sense to cover the rest of the Final Fantasy franchise rather than focusing only on VII?  Get some other protagonists in?  Plus if Sephiroth was added, that just begs for people to want Tifa in as well.

...Which contradictory to the very point I'm trying to make, I would rather want to play as them, now that I think of it.  An added bonus that it would be funny if Tifa ended up here before Dissidia NT, like Cloud did instead of PlayStation All-Stars.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 03, 2018, 07:08:55 pm
I would prefer Erdrick or a Slime because those have a bigger connection to Nintendo than the usual suspects
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 03, 2018, 07:34:51 pm
Oh, I'd agree, I can get behind playing either of them, especially the variety you can come up with for moves with a Slime. (And how simple it would be to have colors for Metal Slimes and Gold Slimes.  Could throw in a King Slime for the Final Smash, too)  And Slime at least is probably more likely than Sephiroth, at least as how I see it.  But I wouldn't have any complaints to either or.  Just the logistics on making Sephiroth work are against his favor.

A shame though if that leak has any weight to it about Sora.  Expected, but I'd like to hold on to some form of hope for him, I would absolutely love to play as him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 03, 2018, 09:05:16 pm
I still say Geno is the most likely just because they’ve already got the rights to use his likeness in Smash.  The groundwork is already there.

Erdrick would actually be an amazing addition if only for the one moment when all the DBZ fanboys who don’t know Dragon Quest see him and have a mass coronary thinking that Goku actually got in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 03, 2018, 10:42:51 pm
AHAHAHAHAHAHA could you even imagine

They do a close-up on the face with the eyes opening then pull back for the reveal

The internet would explode
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 04, 2018, 01:13:58 am
I wouldn't want that blockhead Steve to be in Smash material at all. Just don't seem fitting. What is even his backstory first off? Anyway, with only less than 84 hours remaining, what are your plans after beating World of Light if you're heading straight to it soon as you get Ultimate?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 04, 2018, 01:39:47 am
i'm gonna do classic mode with greninja and the rest of the cast
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 05, 2018, 02:32:45 am
Today's music blog is a new arrangement of the How to Play theme from Melee, by Namco musician Motoi Sakuraba.



Smash Bros is folding back in and remixing itself now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 05, 2018, 03:32:05 am
I hope the track itself is selectable. Seems very fitting for Battlefield.

That wraps up for the preview music before the release of Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 06, 2018, 01:24:13 am
Nintendo just fired off a tweet (https://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-urges-smash-bros-ultimate-fans-to-watch-the-game-awards-533906.phtml) urging Smash Bros fans to tune in to their presentation tomorrow at the Game Awards.  Easy bet says they're going to reveal the first DLC character to sweeten the pot on the Fighters Pass right before launch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 06, 2018, 06:22:42 am
If it is DLC news, inb4 it's just an image of the character from the source game.

I don't think they'd be able to develop any kind of presentable new characters in such a short amount of time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 06, 2018, 08:19:15 am
If it is DLC news, inb4 it's just an image of the character from the source game.

I don't think they'd be able to develop any kind of presentable new characters in such a short amount of time.
What makes you think they didn't start it long ago? Didn't they say the DLC characters were already set in stone?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 06, 2018, 03:56:08 pm
They had to be decided by Sakurai before they start developing them and Sakurai said that they haven't started on any of the 5 yet during last month's direct. They have to make the stages and provide soundtrack for them too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 06, 2018, 08:32:38 pm
Well if you're an impatient so-and-so but still want to give Nintendo your money, Smash Ultimate is already available on the Australian eShop.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 06, 2018, 11:33:16 pm
If it is DLC news, inb4 it's just an image of the character from the source game.

I don't think they'd be able to develop any kind of presentable new characters in such a short amount of time.
What makes you think they didn't start it long ago? Didn't they say the DLC characters were already set in stone?

It wasn't until a few weeks ago that Sakurai said they decided on the DLC lineup.
Sure they could've decided on some of the characters earlier and started those ones sooner, but they already have a DLC character in the works: Piranha Plant.  Would there really have been time to split their work force like that?
I mean, no doubt they're doing that now.  But back then, they would have to split their work on the main game, Piranha Plant, and the other DLCs if that were true.  Now that the main game is done, they have more resources to work on the DLC stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on December 06, 2018, 11:46:01 pm
The game probably went gold a good while ago, and remember that Sakurai says whatever he needs to say to sell the DLC.  Bayonetta was already being developed while the ballot was going on, but she was still presented as the winner.

I expect nothing related to this game tonight however.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2018, 12:03:10 am
It wasn't until a few weeks ago that Sakurai said they decided on the DLC lineup.

To be fair, that's only when it was made public.  Doesn't mean they only finalized it minutes beforehand and he dashed out of the board room to tell the world.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 07, 2018, 12:37:48 am
The game probably went gold a good while ago, and remember that Sakurai says whatever he needs to say to sell the DLC.  Bayonetta was already being developed while the ballot was going on, but she was still presented as the winner.
I sometimes wonder if we'll ever truly get the full details on what the votes were?  How much of it was wasted memes with Goku and SpongeBob and whatnot, and how low she truly placed below others who were lightyears more vocal online than her at the time.  I admit she personally still just bugs me being in the game, but it would be less annoying to know the truth and what the full results were, not just she's most viable according to their limitations, instead of all this goose chasing for how she won just straight-up say she's just who they wanted to win.

I'd have to imagine if they had anything to show tonight, it would have to tie into something that's planned to win an award.  Which from this year's pickings isn't much.  Monster Hunter as a character at most, perhaps, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 07, 2018, 05:33:00 am
Joker from Persona 5 revealed as the first DLC!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2018, 05:33:29 am
Holy fucking hell.  Joker from Persona 5 confirmed for the first DLC fighter.  I didn’t see that coming.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 07, 2018, 05:35:36 am
Holy shit, the packs might be all third party..... Characters that we would never expect as DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 07, 2018, 05:46:17 am
The feeling when Joker makes a Smash appearence before P5 Ultimax or Cross Tag Battle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2018, 05:46:31 am
Announcement trailer.



I'm completely flabbergasted.  This is completely outside the scope of what I thought we could expect.   Does Persona 5 even have a Switch port?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on December 07, 2018, 05:53:11 am
Nope but Joker is in Persona Q2 on the 3DS.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 07, 2018, 05:54:55 am
This is hyped af. This opens more doors of possibilities.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 07, 2018, 05:59:11 am
I don't play the series but I always thought it was a PlayStation-only series, never heard of it anywhere else besides possibly PC?  I'm left to only presume this means Persona 5 is getting a Switch port, though.

This does nothing for me.  Generic anime boy that I only know of from Sonic Forces pushing his outfit on me for the custom character.  At least it's not a sword user.  Guess others will enjoy him plenty though, more to them.  Maybe he'll bring some good music to the game with him.

I thought the Persona people fought with guns?  Though my knowledge of it is minimal at best, just at some point they had to shoot themselves in the head and commit suicide to call forth a stand, the more brutal aspect of that got fazed over time.  Maybe he'll be a new variant of Rosalina or the Ice Climbers with his helping....I dunno, persona fella?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on December 07, 2018, 06:04:04 am
Literally anything keeps being possible now. Come on Sakurai, let’s bring on Goku Crash already!

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on December 07, 2018, 06:11:26 am
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I thought the Persona people fought with guns?  Though my knowledge of it is minimal at best, just at some point they had to shoot themselves in the head and commit suicide to call forth a stand, the more brutal aspect of that got fazed over time.  Maybe he'll be a new variant of Rosalina or the Ice Climbers with his helping....I dunno, persona fella?

that was one game and it's not really a gun, it doesn't actually shoot you it just looks like one, also that was persona 3, not 5, (thought they are in the same universe)

But yes, Joker uses knives and guns. I think it will be more like bayonetta or something but we'll see.

I don't play the series but I always thought it was a PlayStation-only series, never heard of it anywhere else besides possibly PC?  I'm left to only presume this means Persona 5 is getting a Switch port, though.

Joker is in Persona Q2 which is on the 3DS.

Persona Q 1 was on the 3ds also.

Also it's spin off of shin megami tensei, who's first game was on the NES.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 07, 2018, 10:52:56 am
Holy smokes

I guess I'm eating my words

I have no idea what to expect for the rest of the DLC now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 07, 2018, 11:17:59 am
The best part about all of this is that we can now play as the announcer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 07, 2018, 04:33:58 pm
thinking about what kind of license agreement would be good for goku; maybe toei gets all the goku dlc money, while nintendo only enjoys the increased base-game sales.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on December 07, 2018, 08:37:08 pm
thinking about what kind of license agreement would be good for goku; maybe toei gets all the goku dlc money, while nintendo only enjoys the increased base-game sales.
cant wait to see how nintendo adapts goku gameplay into smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2018, 09:08:53 pm
Goku is still a literal impossibility.  It’s a video game crossover, not a whoever-the-fuck-is-popular game.

First Piranha Plant and now with Joker;  every time a game character pops up that wasn’t top three on the latest fan poll people come crawling out of the woodwork to act like it somehow confirms that Goku can be in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: morbidjoe on December 07, 2018, 10:00:16 pm
Well never say never about the goku thing after all tekken did add negan to there roster .-.

Aside from that now i feel like I need to save up for a switch and smash since they came up with joker ,_,
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 07, 2018, 10:39:38 pm
This is quite the steal on Nintendo's part... though not out of the realm as there have been a couple of Persona games on the 3DS, but they were mostly side games and not the main line games.

The good thing about this reveal is that he'll be out probably around the same time frame as Piranha Plant and with the timeline they're working on for the DLC characters, it'll be a fun next couple of months before they reveal the next fighter... BTW, the next person who asks for Goku in the game will get kicked in the dick. Believe that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: morbidjoe on December 07, 2018, 10:47:10 pm
I dont really care if a dbz character is in it, dbz has been dead to me way before they even decided to even remake that series

Thought one character that I would want in it would be doom guy
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on December 07, 2018, 11:54:31 pm
Meh, not interested at all.  I really hope the rest of the DLC pass isn't all generic flavor of the month characters like Joker.  When's Banjo?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on December 07, 2018, 11:56:16 pm
Crash Bandicoot, come on! :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on December 07, 2018, 11:57:22 pm
Well never say never about the goku thing after all tekken did add negan to there roster .-.

probably the best counter to the "there can't be goku ever" argument atm.
but lets see what bs reason someone else says next. Clearly they are nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on December 08, 2018, 12:12:11 am
There is this (https://nintendosoup.com/sakurai-manga-characters-absolutely-not-allowed-to-join-super-smash-bros-ultimate/) but with Nintendo choosing DLC I don't even know anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on December 08, 2018, 12:14:08 am
Still holding onto hope we get either Tails, Agumon, or Wreck-It Ralph in Smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on December 08, 2018, 06:32:40 am
Agumon lmfao
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on December 08, 2018, 06:50:35 am
I mean, he is better than Renamon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on December 08, 2018, 09:57:31 am
I'd prefer my favorite digimon Gatomon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on December 08, 2018, 10:07:10 am
i would prefer my OC Neo_Fire_sonic
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 08, 2018, 10:16:35 am
Any Digimon comes into Pokemon territory gone get got

That's just the law
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 08, 2018, 02:45:45 pm
Did any character from Smash originate anywhere else than a video game? Because if all of them did, that is probably the actual best argument against Goku, he is NOT a game character, he appeared in games, but his origins are in manga.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on December 08, 2018, 03:21:02 pm
Did any character from Smash originate anywhere else than a video game?

ROB, techically.

I honestly don't want Goku in Smash. Its just too much.
Smash is supposed to be a celebration of video games, not Nintendo Mugen.
Leave Goku in Fighterz/Xenoverse.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 08, 2018, 04:12:15 pm
Did any character from Smash originate anywhere else than a video game?

ROB, techically.

I honestly don't want Goku in Smash. Its just too much.
Smash is supposed to be a celebration of video games, not Nintendo Mugen.
Leave Goku in Fighterz/Xenoverse.


This game is also history in the making, saying things like you said will make things like Goku coming to smash sound like the worst thing in the world. I personally want him in cause this might be the only time he CAN get in. Also, who knows when they will work on the next Smash Bros cause Sakurai and the team has so much on their plate, I wouldn't blame them if they take a long ass break from Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on December 08, 2018, 04:13:48 pm
The only argument against any character being playable in Smash is "Sakurai and/or the IP holder has explicitly said they're not interested".

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if one of the DLC characters was a Hanafuda deck, or a Love Tester
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 08, 2018, 04:19:24 pm
This game is also history in the making, saying things like you said will make things like Goku coming to smash sound like the worst thing in the world. I personally want him in cause this might be the only time he CAN get in. Also, who knows when they will work on the next Smash Bros cause Sakurai and the team has so much on their plate, I wouldn't blame them if they take a long ass break from Smash.

It is not the only time he can get in.  He can never get in.  Full stop.  He's not a video game character. 

Fuck, I don't even dislike Dragon Ball but I'm so sick of hearing about it everywhere.  Fanboys need to learn that things that aren't related to DBZ are allowed to exist too.  Go play as Goku in the 87 trillion DBZ games that are already out and let Smash Bros be Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 08, 2018, 04:41:17 pm
I feel it’s also one of the few properties that only Nintendo would gain from. Unlike most of the properties Dragon Ball is one of the few as big or bigger. They will not gain any extra notoriety by bringing Goku in. Like, I’d never even heard of Joker before the announcement
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on December 08, 2018, 04:56:01 pm
Bring me Son Son, completely with it's moving & weather changing stage, and I'll die 100x happier than w/ any more popular character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 08, 2018, 06:19:11 pm
This game is also history in the making, saying things like you said will make things like Goku coming to smash sound like the worst thing in the world. I personally want him in cause this might be the only time he CAN get in. Also, who knows when they will work on the next Smash Bros cause Sakurai and the team has so much on their plate, I wouldn't blame them if they take a long ass break from Smash.
Yeah, no. This is not the only time he can get in, in fact, this is likely the one time where its most evident he CAN'T. Sure, R.O.B. isn't a videogame character, as previously stated, but at the very least, his origins are directly tied to videogames only, as he was an accessory for a console. All the characters in Smash, whether we're talking about more adult characters like Bayonetta and Snake or anime-ish stuff like Joker and Cloud, they all originated in games, we got many characters people did not expect in Smash for WiiU and Smash Ultimate, but all of them fit that specific criteria, Goku will never fit in because of that, he may have appeared in games, but his origins are elsewhere.

The only argument against any character being playable in Smash is "Sakurai and/or the IP holder has explicitly said they're not interested".

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if one of the DLC characters was a Hanafuda deck, or a Love Tester
It really isn't. Smash isn't MUGEN, they won't just start adding a bunch of stuff out of nowhere, being originated in a videogame whose franchise was in a Nintendo console at some point, which everyone included seems to fit. Goku, again, does not fit the videogame origin criteria, so they won't add him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on December 08, 2018, 07:31:25 pm
i would prefer my OC Neo_Fire_sonic

is it that hard to say fc?

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on December 08, 2018, 08:59:37 pm
I would love if Sonic got a second character that is a fancharcter. Dunno about you guys. I would even be down with a Classic Sonic echo.

He is the biggest third party in Smash. Come on Sakurai. Not even an Avatar...?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on December 08, 2018, 09:31:29 pm
I know I was late but...

JOKER CONFIRMED IN SMASH?!?!

Now if ONLY Persona 5 will be on Nintendo Switch as well...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on December 08, 2018, 09:35:30 pm
I would love if Sonic got a second character that is a fancharcter.

Coldsteel for Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 08, 2018, 11:18:06 pm
And that's why Mii Fighters are a thing
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 09, 2018, 12:27:17 am
I would love if Sonic got a second character that is a fancharcter. Dunno about you guys. I would even be down with a Classic Sonic echo.

He is the biggest third party in Smash. Come on Sakurai. Not even an Avatar...?
Well, what about Eggman himself? I'd hate for the opportunity to have him fighting Bowser wasted.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 09, 2018, 12:27:38 am
Ouch, a guy can dream can he? Either way, the possibilities have been expanded now so there's that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Txpot on December 09, 2018, 02:38:18 am
I have a question: for people who have the game already, is it alright to talk about their own gameplay-related stuff here, or does it belong in another thread?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 09, 2018, 05:05:16 am
Does anyone feel that the AI in Challenger Fights are extremely hard af? I was trying to unlock Luigi and he just goes hardcore and Roy made the experience even worse. And DO NOT tell me "git gud" because I don't play Smash for the challenge. I just want to unlock everyone and enjoy the game the way I like to enjoy Smash games. At this point if the Fighter battles in World of Light will have that type of AI, there's a possibility I may never get the entire roster unlocked. I'm not planning on getting an anxiety attack and god forbid not wake up the next morning.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 09, 2018, 05:08:26 am
Does anyone feel that the AI in Challenger Fights are extremely hard af? I was trying to unlock Luigi and he just goes hardcore and Roy made the experience even worse. And DO NOT tell me "git gud" because I don't play Smash for the challenge. I just want to unlock everyone and enjoy the game the way I like to enjoy Smash games. At this point if the Fighter battles in World of Light will have that type of AI, there's a possibility I may never get the entire roster unlocked. I'm not planning on getting an anxiety attack and god forbid not wake up the next morning.

yeah i mainly use ganondorf to get most of the remaining fighters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 09, 2018, 05:19:25 am
Oh, I was assuming I just really sucked at the game. Nice to see others failing on challenges quite a bit!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 09, 2018, 05:51:27 am
Gods, the level of effort put into making sure every single game and every single character is represented as accurately as possible is incredible. It feels like every other minute I'm spotting some new detail or easter egg that they didn't need to put in the time to make but they did anyway.  You can really tell that Sakurai and his team put a boatload of work into a lot of stuff that they didn't really have to.  This game feels like it was made with love.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on December 09, 2018, 07:17:30 am
Finished unlocking everyone tonight, which was not easy... the AI for some of these guys were a real pain in the ass, as many here have said.
on my first attempt to unlock bowser jr (of all characters) was extremely demoralizing, it felt like I was fighting a god, he just didn't miss... not even once.
You can't begin to understand how small you feel when you are powerless to stop the onslaught of that little bastard.
Roy was tough too.

-The controls are comfortable and responsive, tilt attacks are way easier to perform then I have ever experienced with previous titles.
-Overall happy with the roster, would like to have Geno but not holding my breath. simon/richter and Incineroar are really fun characters.
-Would have preferred to have Hector from fire emblem instead of 15 more sword users.
-World of light campaign is actually way more fun then I had thought it would be and the spirits are not as convoluted as I thought they would be ether.
-character balance feels good, especially considering the size of the roster.
-classic is good, still would have liked to have seen break the target or board the platforms for nostalgia, not really a complaint though.

I have to say, this is the most fun I have ever had with any smash game and find myself drawn to play, which is a feeling I haven't had in a very long time.
I enjoyed most of the new playable cast but still have not tested everyone yet.

Its the first time in forever that I feel like they got Ganondorf right, his gameplay and aesthetics are amazing, I have a blast every time I play him and don't feel like I'm on full tilt compared to the former two titles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 09, 2018, 10:28:08 am
They went full blast with the AI this time around.  They are scary as hell to fight since they know how to utilize their character's strengths and play much more aggressively.  I love it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlenderMan on December 09, 2018, 10:35:49 am
how do you perform Snake's codec calls?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on December 09, 2018, 12:41:39 pm
Does anyone feel that the AI in Challenger Fights are extremely hard af? I was trying to unlock Luigi and he just goes hardcore and Roy made the experience even worse. And DO NOT tell me "git gud" because I don't play Smash for the challenge.
git gud
The AI does seem like a step up from previous games. Doesn't help that Rematch mode is on a timed unlock. That said, the AI never felt impossible to me and my friends and we managed to get any we missed on the rematch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on December 09, 2018, 12:55:27 pm
Does anyone feel that the AI in Challenger Fights are extremely hard af? I was trying to unlock Luigi and he just goes hardcore and Roy made the experience even worse. And DO NOT tell me "git gud" because I don't play Smash for the challenge. I just want to unlock everyone and enjoy the game the way I like to enjoy Smash games. At this point if the Fighter battles in World of Light will have that type of AI, there's a possibility I may never get the entire roster unlocked. I'm not planning on getting an anxiety attack and god forbid not wake up the next morning.

apparently according to my friend the ai gets tougher and tougher as you unlock more characters so the real thing to do is to practice
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on December 09, 2018, 02:44:37 pm
Does anyone feel that the AI in Challenger Fights are extremely hard af? I was trying to unlock Luigi and he just goes hardcore and Roy made the experience even worse. And DO NOT tell me "git gud" because I don't play Smash for the challenge. I just want to unlock everyone and enjoy the game the way I like to enjoy Smash games. At this point if the Fighter battles in World of Light will have that type of AI, there's a possibility I may never get the entire roster unlocked. I'm not planning on getting an anxiety attack and god forbid not wake up the next morning.

apparently according to my friend the ai gets tougher and tougher as you unlock more characters so the real thing to do is to practice
I also heard that there's a bug in Falco's Challenger Approach AI that makes him almost impossible to beat unless you use a hard counter against him.
Though I sadly can't prove that yet, because...well...I won't be able to get the game until December 24th...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on December 09, 2018, 02:50:57 pm
doubt that, the same guy who told me about the ai beat falco first try without doing a hard counter.

the unlock rotation is random so it really just depends on how many characcters you unlock it seems
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 09, 2018, 03:20:58 pm
It’s being my main complaint about the game. I have no idea when I’ll get to play as the chars I bought the game for.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on December 09, 2018, 03:56:26 pm
Does anyone feel that the AI in Challenger Fights are extremely hard af? I was trying to unlock Luigi and he just goes hardcore and Roy made the experience even worse. And DO NOT tell me "git gud" because I don't play Smash for the challenge.
git gud
The AI does seem like a step up from previous games. Doesn't help that Rematch mode is on a timed unlock. That said, the AI never felt impossible to me and my friends and we managed to get any we missed on the rematch.

 I felt the rematch was much easier compared to the first encounters for some of them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 09, 2018, 05:11:46 pm
How are you guys getting a rematch? When I lose I don’t see them again
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on December 09, 2018, 05:34:47 pm
There is a "challenger approaching" (I think that is what it's called) option at the bottom right of one of the menu, the one where classic is located.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 09, 2018, 05:59:32 pm
Games and more. Ah this is making the experience much more enjoyable! I was starting to regret the purchase!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on December 09, 2018, 06:13:52 pm
once you get someone with a really good kill move just focusing on hitting them with it, the matches will go really fast like that, because even though the ai is good it doesnt really pick up on patterns like a human player

also dont forget to shield, people never shield against the ais for some reason lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on December 09, 2018, 08:04:43 pm
Games and more. Ah this is making the experience much more enjoyable! I was starting to regret the purchase!
Be aware that the rematch mode also has a cooldown. You need to wait until it shows.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 09, 2018, 08:08:49 pm
It didn’t have a cool down till I rematched every char I’d lost to in a challenge. That was a lot considering the losses my kid had while playing so a racked up a ton of chars. Finally have a few I wanted!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 09, 2018, 08:33:39 pm
So is King K. Rool insanely good or does the AI just not know how to counter him?  It feels like he’s got a ton of really easy setups and moves that are reliable KOs at low percentage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 09, 2018, 08:45:19 pm
So is King K. Rool insanely good or does the AI just not know how to counter him?  It feels like he’s got a ton of really easy setups and moves that are reliable KOs at low percentage.

It's AI, cause some people say that the AI can't handle Yoshi when he does his down special over and over again. K. Rool has stuff but it's very telegraphed, he's in the same spot as Ganondorf in my opinion, strong but can't handle speedy fighters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 10, 2018, 12:44:17 am
I'm so confused... I had a very very tough time with Challenger AI last night and this morning, the AI was suddenly weaker and I managed to unlock Lucina, Wario and Ridley. Does the AI itself reset from crazy-as-hell to weak as time progresses throughout the next day or something?

Also...
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 10, 2018, 01:03:16 am
People have reported that they had similar things happen to them, me and my cousin included. It might be smart AI, or it really does become easier if you fail to beat them.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 10, 2018, 01:20:32 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 10, 2018, 01:39:34 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Txpot on December 10, 2018, 02:00:10 am
I'm having a horrible time with this game, and it's not just because of the A.I, its the way the game's system was changed.

Smash attacks on a weakened foe doesn't feel as satisfying as it does in previous games. For some reason, you can hit an opponent, they travel in a direction of like 80 miles an hour, and then their velocity basically stops halfway. This is especially jarring if the enemy is at a high enough percentage to be knocked around by a simple tilt attack or similar, because it would seem as if they were warped to that predicted point of stopping all launch velocity.

It's made worse when you realise the game designers got the idea to use the effects of Little Mack's KO gimmick on every attack, even if it doesn't KO them. For example, I/enemy could do an attack, a little scene plays of the victim being smashed, they're sent flying, a small screen shows where they are as they're disappearing from view...and they aren't KO'd. What was the problem? Were they at a high amount of percentage before this? Did they manage to tech a wall/ceiling/floor as they're sent flying to negate the entire launch? Did they bounce around "hard" platforms too many times to be counted out, despite the game predicting that I would knock them out? Are you that bad at this game that you can't smash a Kirby at 137.6% into the stratosphere because he was holding the joystick in the opposite direction, preventing him from being KO'd? It's all this that makes the game feel broken, since lighter characters are suddenly more tanky than they should be.

Long story short, if I smash you across the arena, complete with the little cutscene of being smashed, you should be KO'd.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on December 10, 2018, 02:03:22 am
It is called "balloon knockback" in the community. Supposedly, this change in launch physics is to make follow-ups much more difficult to perform due to the warpspeed launch and instant deceleration.

One look at that jarring destruction of physics is enough to turn me off. I don't get how people keep playing smoothly after all of that. I would keep taunting because "that move should have killed".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 10, 2018, 02:43:50 am
The little mac KO effect also showed even if it didn't kill back in Smash 4.

Final Strike effects are pretty much based on the same way the game determines when a Death Spark effect appears.  If it happens, then that means your opponent will die without DI.  If they survived, that means they were able to DI the attack.

It's also important to note how blastzones seem to be increased in this go-around.  Something that might've killed in the previous games can now be survived due to the boundaries being further away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 10, 2018, 04:22:26 am
One look at that jarring destruction of physics is enough to turn me off. I don't get how people keep playing smoothly after all of that. I would keep taunting because "that move should have killed".

People like you are the reason the phrase "taunt to get bodied" exists.

Honestly, I like the knockback and recovery speed in this game better than in Sm4sh.  Last time around the game was so floaty that unless you were playing heavyweight it felt like you spent 50% of the match just trying to get back to the ground.  Ultimate really lets you get back in the fight a lot faster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 10, 2018, 11:42:40 am
In case there's anyone like me wondering why inputs are coming out long after you've stopped doing that input (for instance, roll dodging more times than you intended), anime villain Leffen has shed some light on the situation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on December 10, 2018, 12:18:24 pm
It is called "balloon knockback" in the community. Supposedly, this change in launch physics is to make follow-ups much more difficult to perform due to the warpspeed launch and instant deceleration.

One look at that jarring destruction of physics is enough to turn me off. I don't get how people keep playing smoothly after all of that. I would keep taunting because "that move should have killed".
I think this just means you're a sore loser.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 11, 2018, 01:08:30 am
I'm guessing the AI does reset from strong to weak. My final 2 challengers (Palutena and Bayonetta) were easy to beat cuz their AI wasn't hardcore this morning. With this, I have EVERY SINGLE fighter unlocked and boy do I love Smashing 8 Player style!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on December 11, 2018, 01:12:45 am
Long story short, if I smash you across the arena, complete with the little cutscene of being smashed, you should be KO'd.

It's not a complete guarantee every single time. Sometimes, if that happens there is always a small chance of recovering. Its happened to me alot and it's not the system being broken or anything
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 11, 2018, 02:29:20 am
Ok, took a little while but now I got my copy of the game.  Yay.  Just starting it up now, downloaded the update, got Piranha Plant, all that jazz.  Just going over options now.  Something stood out to me that I don't think people brought up yet, might mean nothing anyways.  But when setting up an online profile Smash tag, they have numerous icons to pick from, everyone assorted into their sections by game and relevance to Smash.  And at the very bottom, below all the franchises and Smash-only content, they have Lip, Chorus Kids, that polygonal head that shoots at you that's not Andross and Shantae.

(https://i.imgur.com/M0JtcFJ.jpg)

Could be nothing more than options for popular characters that didn't get any farther than being made into stickers in the actual game and me looking too deep into something not even 10 minutes into the game, but that alone I find interesting that they did that to these four and not others, three of which often rank high in DLC polls.  Especially with previous game's data for Chorus Kids being a potential playable character and the upswell in people wanting Shantae to be playable.

Also the piano rendition of the game's World of Light theme song that you get at the victory screen starts to sound a lot like the Howl's Moving Castle theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwxatzcYf9Q) after a bit, and that just tickles my funny bone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on December 11, 2018, 04:18:20 am
Reggie said to expect characters that will not usually be expected to be in smash at all.

aka, nobody in the game in any form is gonna be DLC. its probably gonna be mostly third parties
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 11, 2018, 04:27:13 am
oh boy i sure hope an snk character will be dlc
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 11, 2018, 04:31:08 am
I mean...those three do kinda fall into that category, unless we're excluding anyone that anyone's ever thought of ever.  Lip's obscure and Japanese only, Shantae's comparatively a nobody with a much more recent resurgence that many wave off as still not a big enough character to warrant getting in and Chorus Kids....Chorus Kids are a freaking mini-game.

Like I said, probably nothing, not really three I want other than to finally be enough with the modern generic anime looking kids for DLC anyways, but just makes me wonder why they'd do that but not do it for the likes of, say, Shovel Knight?

I have also noticed that on social media like Facebook, the company behind Shantae have been taking every instance possible to retweet about Smash and Shantae's sticker inclusion and how happy they are to be involved in some capacity.  Which is rather nice, to be honest, but also probably points to that's all to expect from them this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 11, 2018, 04:34:08 am
Reggie said to expect characters that will not usually be expected to be in smash at all.

aka, nobody in the game in any form is gonna be DLC. its probably gonna be mostly third parties

Maybe there's hope for Porky after all, then.  Next year is Mother's 30 anniversary, after all. 

But for real, after the first two DLC characters turned out to be freakin' Piranha Plant and freakin' Joker, I think that the only thing that can be safely assumed is that nothing can be safely assumed.  The DLC could be a completely left-field 3rd party guest with almost no association with Nintendo or it could be some nameless rando that Sakurai thought might be neat.  At this point we're not doing ourselves any favors trying to guess at patterns.

The closest we have to even an educated guess at this point would be Banjo-Kazooie, and that's only because of the Rareware stuff they found in the datamine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on December 11, 2018, 04:34:28 am
when they mean unexpected they mean truly unexpected in the vein of cloud and joker


both source games (FFVII and P5) have never appeared in a single nintendo product at the time of release. nobody expected them and kept saying "yeah but why would nintendo pick them when they were never even on a nintendo game, etc."


so we gotta think outside the box. who's *truly* so unexpected it'll be DLC?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 11, 2018, 04:45:15 am
Vegeta.

I mean, it would be the perfect way to spite both sides of the "Goku should/n't be in Smash" argument, no?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on December 11, 2018, 04:57:44 am
it has come to my attention that there's a video of sans theme from undertale as a new track in smash ultimate but it was copyright claimed by nintendo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NUeYEIA7_0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0TLkz4PdR-WnLDqzewgYsocWylKdgDgs2wCStZbtoevtv7JtFS7epzyXA&app=desktop

does this mean anything for smash? also how would one go about proving if this is real or fake?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 11, 2018, 05:08:37 am
i beat world of light and managed to get all endings
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 11, 2018, 05:49:56 am
Finally killed the entities of light and dark! What is NG+?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 11, 2018, 05:52:28 am
both source games (FFVII and P5) have never appeared in a single nintendo product at the time of release. nobody expected them and kept saying "yeah but why would nintendo pick them when they were never even on a nintendo game, etc."


so we gotta think outside the box. who's *truly* so unexpected it'll be DLC?

I mean, when you phrase it like that the first thing that comes to my mind is still Porky.  A character from a dead - yet still hugely popular - franchise that even the most die-hard fans have come to accept will never get any more acknowledgement, and even then not the first character those fans would think of when asked for their first pick.

I totally get where you're coming from and I'm not saying you're wrong per se, but I still wouldn't go too far on the "only unlikely longshots nobody's asking for" train of thought.  Sure, Sm4sh did get Cloud out of nowhere, but it also got The Next Fire Emblem Protagonist and the winner of the Most Popular Character in the Entire World contest.

it has come to my attention that there's a video of sans theme from undertale as a new track in smash ultimate but it was copyright claimed by nintendo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NUeYEIA7_0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0TLkz4PdR-WnLDqzewgYsocWylKdgDgs2wCStZbtoevtv7JtFS7epzyXA&app=desktop

does this mean anything for smash? also how would one go about proving if this is real or fake?

It was a fan remix that was labeled as a Smash Bros song as a joke and got caught up in the wave of copyright strikes Nintendo threw at everyone who was leaking the actual soundtrack.  Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 11, 2018, 05:57:55 am
From a business standpoint I can't see the whole deck being Jokers

There's no way there's not at least one "fan favorite character" in there

Still pulling for Dragon Quest representation though, I haven't been able to get that out of my head
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on December 11, 2018, 01:07:24 pm
From a business standpoint I can't see the whole deck being Jokers

There's no way there's not at least one "fan favorite character" in there

Still pulling for Dragon Quest representation though, I haven't been able to get that out of my head
You say Dragon Quest rep, but if we're following Reggie's hint of the whole DLC deck being Jokers, then Crono from Chrono Trigger would be more likely.
Everyone expects a Dragon Quest rep, but absolutely NOBODY expects a Chrono Trigger rep.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 11, 2018, 03:54:18 pm
Finally killed the entities of light and dark! What is NG+?

it carries over the characters you've awaken while also having the remaining spirits
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 11, 2018, 05:37:32 pm
Finally killed the entities of light and dark! What is NG+?

it carries over the characters you've awaken while also having the remaining spirits

Oh, I forgot about NG+. It's neat that they give you the option for it though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on December 11, 2018, 06:24:14 pm
NG+ in this game is awesome. It's so satisfying to tear through the tough spirits and bosses with my OP as hell character. And, on the plus side, there's only one challenge in the game that's tied to NG+, so it's not an absolute requirement.

Oh, by the way, this game is amazing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on December 12, 2018, 01:53:46 am
when they mean unexpected they mean truly unexpected in the vein of cloud and joker


both source games (FFVII and P5) have never appeared in a single nintendo product at the time of release. nobody expected them and kept saying "yeah but why would nintendo pick them when they were never even on a nintendo game, etc."


so we gotta think outside the box. who's *truly* so unexpected it'll be DLC?

Anything works so long as they're negotiable video game characters. For all I care, they could get fucking Kazuma Kiryu in and they'd be able to justify so. I just hope irony isn't a bitch and there's not a single goddamn Fire Emblem character in the Pass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 12, 2018, 05:00:03 am
OK, I know we have Assist Trophies that can be killed but I had no idea those like Tiki, Dr. Wright and the Pac-Man Ghosts can be killed
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 12, 2018, 01:54:07 pm
Basically, any ATs that actively participate on the battlefield can be attacked.  IIRC, you can even KO Color TV-Game 15.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on December 12, 2018, 02:30:11 pm
Got the game last Friday. Started the next day.

My experiences in a short rhyming statement:

I'm having a blast,
I'm cooking with gas,
And I'm kicking your ass!

Long story short, this is a far superior product than Smash Bros for 3DS and WiiU. The adventure mode is a load of fun as well as spirit board. I have learned about many games that I never know existed all thanks to them.

A few points I would like to make:

1.) Is there a reason why I can't zoom in on the spirit's pictures? Seems like a basic thing that should be in the game. I think a short description of the characters would be appreciated too, since some of them are really obscure. Although I am surprised that they included assets from more recent games like Mario and Rabbids. That one is fresh on my mind.
2.) Why can't I bring Mii Fighters into classic mode? I want to beat up master hand with my creations.
3.) While I am pleased to see Atlus having representation in Smash, can't they bring someone else in than someone from Persona 5? I don't even have a Playstation all of my life, so I never played Persona, nor cared for it. I have played plenty of Shin Megami Tensei games. We can bring in someone iconic from those games easily, like Jack Frost or Pixie. It is my same complaint with Final Fantasy and Cloud. There are plenty of memorable characters from Final Fantasy other than Cloud. Maybe bring one of them in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 12, 2018, 03:59:48 pm
Square Enix has very expensive stuff to use in another developer's content. Sakurai was lucky enough to even get Cloud in Smash. As for the Mii Fighters, they can't be used in Classic Mode because every fighter has a title that makes sense in their game of origin and are assigned certain fighters as well as Bosses because not every fighter has Master Hand as the final boss. The Mii Fighters have no real backstory and were created to the player's heart's content.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 12, 2018, 04:12:48 pm
Cloud is the most iconic FF char by far so that's simple. The Atlas thing feels moot because Persona is a big deal too. And Atlas probably wanted to promote their latest one. I have never played any Persona besides a bit of Persona4 Arena. I know none of the characters and I know none of the characters you mentioned either.
You kinda act like there are NOT people out there that know these chars. Chars cannot be based on just your taste or mine. If it was based on mine it'd have a crazy small pool to pull from!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlenderMan on December 12, 2018, 04:21:40 pm
I'm currently maining Ridley and Simon/Richter Belmont. Ridley has nice offensive strats you can use.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 12, 2018, 04:56:53 pm
Got the game last Friday and boy, this is the best Smash Bros game since Smash 4 (Wii U).

Unlocked all the chars and I've made 89 Miis. Never get bored on this game for now. I haven't touch Spirit Mode, but I'm still collecting from the actual fighters from that, then I can use some of these spirits whatever I want.

Square Enix has very expensive stuff to use in another developer's content. Sakurai was lucky enough to even get Cloud in Smash. As for the Mii Fighters, they can't be used in Classic Mode because every fighter has a title that makes sense in their game of origin and are assigned certain fighters as well as Bosses because not every fighter has Master Hand as the final boss. The Mii Fighters have to real backstory and were created to the player's heart's content.

Maybe that's why Cloud was being added and 2 songs have added. As for the Mii Fighters, they could be on Classic mode if they fought randomly fighters from other franchise, than having Master and Crazy Hand as their final boss. It's such a odd choice to not have them in Classic. They deserve better than that, just like Cloud. More stage music and have his own English VA back like Marth and Roy.

In conclusion, I think this game could still be updated to fix some of the characters and along the way that the DLC characters are coming and maybe a new mode like a boss rush mode. Now that's a mode they could be added. This isn't Smash Bros Brawl or Smash 4, this is Ultimate... Smash Bros Ultimate baby.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 12, 2018, 07:04:03 pm
Question: has anyone considered that a Mortal Kombat character can be among the DLCs? MK11 will be available for Switch, and even if it wasn't, MK had games on Nintendo consoles before, so, I think we can expect Scorpion or Sub-Zero.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 12, 2018, 07:33:44 pm
Question: has anyone considered that a Mortal Kombat character can be among the DLCs? MK11 will be available for Switch, and even if it wasn't, MK had games on Nintendo consoles before, so, I think we can expect Scorpion or Sub-Zero.

That would be cool. Scorpion is by far the popular MK character next to Sub-Zero. He even appeared in Injustice. We now have 3 characters from a rated M games, so I don't mind for Scorpion in Smash Bros. Only the obvious thing to remove is the blood and fatality. That would never happen in the Smash series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 12, 2018, 07:35:51 pm
this is the best Smash Bros game since Smash 4 (Wii U).
It's the only Smash Bros. game since 4 :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on December 12, 2018, 07:40:04 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 12, 2018, 08:36:13 pm
this is the best Smash Bros game since Smash 4 (Wii U).
It's the only Smash Bros. game since 4 :P

Well, Smash 4 is the same thing as Smash Bros for the Wii U and Smash Bros for the 3DS. Same game, only difference is on the console and the other one is on a portable. Which is 4 after the third one of Brawl. To be honest, the title was pretty lame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on December 12, 2018, 09:44:21 pm
Question: has anyone considered that a Mortal Kombat character can be among the DLCs? MK11 will be available for Switch, and even if it wasn't, MK had games on Nintendo consoles before, so, I think we can expect Scorpion or Sub-Zero.

Could you see Killer Instinct making it since they used to be Nintendo (technically Rare)?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 12, 2018, 10:07:06 pm
Question: has anyone considered that a Mortal Kombat character can be among the DLCs? MK11 will be available for Switch, and even if it wasn't, MK had games on Nintendo consoles before, so, I think we can expect Scorpion or Sub-Zero.

Could you see Killer Instinct making it since they used to be Nintendo (technically Rare)?

Or Rash. Cause this cameo is killing him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 12, 2018, 10:38:41 pm
Holy shit Pichu is great in this game. You can play between they down aerial, thunder, and other moves with each other. People even bring Pichu a bit higher than Pikachu in the tier lists.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 13, 2018, 05:36:01 am
It pains me how little I can do with either Samus or Dark Samus.  I have no intent of dropping playing either, talking about my all-time favorite franchise here, but they're just not cutting it the way I would like it.  Young Link, on the other hand, my god, this is it, this is the Perfect Character.  It just feels right playing him.  Literally the only thing I can ask more of him is aesthetic changes, make use of his Majora's Mask appearance with swapping out the Triforce trap Final Smash for something with the Fierce Deity.  I would even take just copying something from Hyrule Warrior's playbook.  Or even keep the current Final Smash, just transform him during it.



Oh and Inklings are quite good, exceedingly more-so than I was worried they would be, they are definitely a mainstay for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 13, 2018, 12:59:14 pm
Question: has anyone considered that a Mortal Kombat character can be among the DLCs? MK11 will be available for Switch, and even if it wasn't, MK had games on Nintendo consoles before, so, I think we can expect Scorpion or Sub-Zero.

Could you see Killer Instinct making it since they used to be Nintendo (technically Rare)?
Or Rash. Cause this cameo is killing him.
Neither of them are really impossible, to be honest. At this point, if they managed to get Joker in, even though Persona didn't have that many games in Nintendo consoles, then classics like Killer Instinct and Battletoads are much more likely than ever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 13, 2018, 02:20:11 pm
^ Can you imagine the backlash though if Nintendo went to the studio that owns Banjo-Kazooie and came back with freaking Battletoads?

It's occurred to me that the real reason Sakurai included that Style Savvy J-pop song in the soundtrack was so that there would be appropriate music for the Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents spirit fights.  The absolute dedication of this man.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 14, 2018, 03:46:06 am
Version 1.2.0 of Ultimate is out.

Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, Luigi, Ice Climbers, Young Link, Olimar, Toon Link, Villager, Greninja, PAC-MAN, Duck Hunt, and Isabelle were updated and Challenger AI was weakened. They're looking to see what changes were made besides that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 14, 2018, 04:25:21 am
So, my prediction list, because I just noticed I didn't suggest anyone until now:


Other characters that I could see entering include (not in any particular order, also I'm aware some of those have spirits, but, again, we don't really know if spirits deconfirm characters, yet):
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on December 14, 2018, 05:14:41 am
I read that the difficulty of the "challenger approaching" unlocks were adjusted in the latest patch. Hopefully everyone who was having a tough time with them can rest easy now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 14, 2018, 05:25:24 am
I dunno, I never noticed the challengers for new character unlocks being, well, challenging.  Perhaps more-so than the level 3 default A.I., but not near their level 9 A.I., which is just default to me anyways.  Now, the Legend level spirits, those guys are the ones who are getting me.  Even with a countering spirit type around the same power level, sometimes even higher, I'll notice that they'll do around 3x more damage than normal, the significantly less amount I do and how adept they are at actual combos and perfect shielding every move that leaves you open for punishment.

It's strange, I feel I'm doing less with the Samus twins, yet only now did I get a 9.9 Classic run with Dark Samus.  Meanwhile it seemed I did better actually playing as other characters?  Also, what are the actual requirements for getting a 9.9?  I've gotten a number of characters landing at 9.8, despite getting a handful of Nice Runs during matches and no deaths, starting at 5 of course.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on December 14, 2018, 08:02:30 am
I dunno, I never noticed the challengers for new character unlocks being, well, challenging.  Perhaps more-so than the level 3 default A.I., but not near their level 9 A.I., which is just default to me anyways.  Now, the Legend level spirits, those guys are the ones who are getting me.  Even with a countering spirit type around the same power level, sometimes even higher, I'll notice that they'll do around 3x more damage than normal, the significantly less amount I do and how adept they are at actual combos and perfect shielding every move that leaves you open for punishment.
Might have to give in and use the Super Armor Spirit (Polar Bear/Regigas/Walhart)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on December 14, 2018, 08:07:09 am
I dunno, I never noticed the challengers for new character unlocks being, well, challenging.  Perhaps more-so than the level 3 default A.I., but not near their level 9 A.I., which is just default to me anyways.

Yeah, I don't want to sound like a dick, but the "Challenger Approaching" fights weren't that hard to me. Hell, ZSS just straight up killed herself by accident within the first 2 seconds when I fought her.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 14, 2018, 08:16:55 am
About that, the challengers do tend to self-destruct a rather ridiculous number of times.  Myself, one of my friends, and watching Vinesauce play the game, all three I noticed when challenging Dark Pit he'll do his side+B straight into that middle pit on his stage and kill himself without even fighting.  I'm almost willing to say this is some intentional reference on Nintendo's part but I don't know what?  Not that I played much of Kid Icarus: Uprising so I don't know if Dark Pit had a history of shooting himself in the foot or what.

Might have to give in and use the Super Armor Spirit (Polar Bear/Regigas/Walhart)
Will have to look into getting one of them, if I don't already in my stash.  Though admittingly, there are a few that seem to just be challenging beyond what I'm capable of as of yet.  Dr. Wily's spirit with defeating the 10 or so Metal Mega Man clones with regular stamina tends to do me in with their projectile spamming before I can deal with the whole bunch.

Been trying to think of something that would fit the DLC criteria we've set for it thus far that would still be appreciated by fans.  Do people still care for Dirk the Daring and Dragon's Lair?  It's supposedly got a movie actually in the works this time, is a nice retro rep that doesn't get talked about much but is still mainstream enough to be known at least and fits into Smash's whole cartoon-y aesthetic quite well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on December 14, 2018, 08:47:14 am
I feel like Arthur would be far more likely. I would be down with Dirk, but Arthur has so much more to work with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 14, 2018, 01:18:40 pm
Though admittingly, there are a few that seem to just be challenging beyond what I'm capable of as of yet.  Dr. Wily's spirit with defeating the 10 or so Metal Mega Man clones with regular stamina tends to do me in with their projectile spamming before I can deal with the whole bunch.
The Dr. Wily fight becomes trivial if you go in with Viridi (increased damage to metal enemies) and Ana (Franklin Badge equipped).  They'll kill themselves attacking you.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on December 14, 2018, 03:10:47 pm
Dr. Eggman (Sonic the Hedgehog) - It surprised me how this guy didn't make it to the Wii version itself, so I'm still surprised he is not in yet. Eggman is a classic videogame villain on the level of Bowser, yet we have yet to see him in the game. Yeah, he has a spirit in the game, but don't all playable characters have one? Its true he has less chances, but they can always surprise us again.
Well, I'm honestly not very surprised that Eggman is not in.
Which is for the same reason why I'm not surprised that Sonic doesn't even have any new remixes: Japan simply doesn't give a shit about Sonic (mainly due to how "cool" and "radical" and "american" Sonic is for the Japanese audience).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 15, 2018, 04:51:52 am
Madama Butterfly's Spirit is broken af. Thanks to her, I was able to defeat The Boss' spirit cuz Madama Butterfly's effect allows you to recover damage by standing on poison floors or in poison clouds. I was lucky enough to defeat Dr. Wily's spirit and Viridi's spirit was easier to beat than I thought.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on December 17, 2018, 12:23:44 pm
New Smash Bros Ultimate DLC leak: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/rumour_dlc_fighter_for_smash_bros_ultimate_leaked_on_japanese_textboard
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 17, 2018, 08:13:56 pm
Something that slightly worries me about Erdrick DLC being real is how they'll really make him stand out from the ensemble of Fire Emblem characters to outsiders.  While I don't care for the series personally, I can agree with some of its fans criticisms that it would have been a lot more beneficial down the road had they actually diversified the weapon users instead of all these anime swordsmen that he'd just be one of a million should he be added.  That way the likes of Erdrick or Chrono or anyone outside of FE from a Japanese RPG with swords that gets added can stand out more and not just blend with the rest.

But I suppose it can't be perfectly tailored to our every whim.  Sure there's plenty out there that also simply don't care about things like that and just want more.  Which is fine too.  Well, if it's true I'd be interested in how they approach adapting their limited moves on a 2D turn-based plane into 3D like this.

Anyways, beat World of Light on Hard 100%.  Fun game.  When's the next one?  But for real, while cutting trophies for this is a sorely missed part of the series, this was a lot of fun and ingenuity to make the majority of characters feel represented in the game even when not really playable.  I especially got a kick out of Cloud's minor involvement in recreating Ocarina of Time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 17, 2018, 09:36:08 pm
New Smash Bros Ultimate DLC leak: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/rumour_dlc_fighter_for_smash_bros_ultimate_leaked_on_japanese_textboard
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Apparently this dude also “leaked” that Heihachi, Rayman,and Steve would be in the base game, so grain of salt.  “Popular anime thing is getting a fighting game spinoff” isn’t that risky of a guess these days.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 17, 2018, 09:52:05 pm
Personally, I am more surprised that FGO has not gotten a fighting game spinoff, unlike the other big mobages; but then agian it has been getting musou games, so there's that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 17, 2018, 11:37:28 pm
To play devil's advocate for the leakers, Heihachi and Rayman are in the game, just the former as a part of Pac-Man's moves and the later as a spirit, and for Minecraft they got a spirit of the pig from Cubivore, which does admittingly look a lot like the Minecraft pigs to someone who doesn't play the games, with that bland boxy look.  Since the leakers typically don't give us a lot to go off of other than they've seen their names in data or screenshots of artwork, they could just see that info for them in the game at all and count them as full-fledged things.  Why they were so adamant on Steve, though, I dunno.  I'm just surprised someone out there acknowledged that Cubivore exists.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 18, 2018, 12:31:43 am
I cannot imagine a scenario where someone would come across the knowledge that an 8-bit Heihachi sprite appears randomly as a part of Pac-Man's taunt animation and would choose to relay that information as "Heihachi is a character in Super Smash Bros" other than to be deliberately misleading.

In other news, Isabelle is an almighty deity capable of creating life as easily as she takes it away.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ShiroTori on December 18, 2018, 03:16:14 am
I don't know why you guys even bother giving these leakers attention still. Wouldn't it be more fun to just speculate to yourselves and be surprised when the developer announces what's coming?

Also, the Isabelle glitch with Rathalos is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 18, 2018, 08:25:57 am
Aren't we still speculating?  These leaks don't confirm anything, and everyone knows they're less than likely to actually be true, but they often make good points on characters that would make good additions that maybe you weren't thinking about.  And sure, I'm still holding out for characters that are possible if not at all likely that they don't list like, say, Tifa, and dream characters that simply have no chance like Marina Liteyears.

Just adding their ideas to the brainstorm.  THEN we can be annoyed when they say it's someone no one guessed that's a weird fit like Tommy Vercetti.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Baby Bonnie Hood on December 18, 2018, 10:51:03 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJgJZ-BpJOU

To that video thumbnail I say: "Oh no"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 23, 2018, 07:15:16 pm
An interesting little detail just got found out regarding some assist trophies.  You can't summon the Klaptrap assist trophy on Jungle Japes or Kongo Falls when stage hazards are on,  since there's already a Klaptrap present.  Also, because he's a vampire Alucard can't appear on any stage with reflections, like Wii Fit Studio or Fountain of Dreams.

So I guess good new for those folks who were still somehow holding out hope for Waluigi DLC, because it turns out there is already code present in the game that can prevent specific assist trophies from being summoned under certain conditions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Block on December 23, 2018, 10:54:12 pm
B-but....but there are a lot of Klaptraps in the DK games why would they do that?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 24, 2018, 12:38:00 am
Klaptraps were only present in the first DKC game. The 2nd and 3rd had alternate versions being Klampon and Krimp respectively. I'm not sure if Klaptrap made appearances in side games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 24, 2018, 12:43:58 am
B-but....but there are a lot of Klaptraps in the DK games why would they do that?

To avoid confusion, perhaps?  The stage hazard Klaptraps move and behave differently to the AT ones.  Maybe they wanted to avoid players accidentally trying to attack a stage hazard and SD'ing themselves.

I was testing this out and it seems like there are actually quite a few instances of assist trophies being blocked from certain stages for balance reasons.  You can't summon the Squid Sisters on Jungle Japes either; I'm assuming it's because if the screen zoomed in like that it'd be way too easy to accidentally slip off a platform, hit the river, and instantly get KO'd before you can react.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 25, 2018, 05:40:49 am
Could also be due to technical limitations.

Full list:
https://www.serebii.net/smashbrosultimate/assisttrophy.shtml
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on December 25, 2018, 05:59:51 am
Could also be due to technical limitations.

Full list:
https://www.serebii.net/smashbrosultimate/assisttrophy.shtml

This information is... interesting for those who are still trying to make a case for potential fighters who are already assist trophies, to say the least. On one hand, if some assists can't even be summoned on certain stages for whatever reason, then it would be easy to not make them appear if their respective fighters are in action.

...On the other hand, let's not forget about Spirit Battles. I do not believe Spirits deconfirm fighters, but a lot of Spirit Battles do utilize Assist Trophies. If, say, the Ashley Assist Trophy is programmed to not appear if Ashley is in the battle, then what will happen if you use Ashley to fight the Ashley spirit? (I know, that sentence was confusing.) I'm sure the fix is easy (just give the Assist Trophy Color 2 if the fighter's Color 1 is being used?), but still.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 25, 2018, 02:59:57 pm
Speaking of spirit battles...

I'm doing my thing and I'm looking at GameFAQS and I see a topic that catches my eye... apparently some website out there is claiming that a few of the battles are racist. Which ones?

Well, you have a fight against Diddy Kong that can net you the Dee Jay spirit, a fight against Donkey Kong that can net you the Mr. Sandman spirit and a fight against a team of Villagers that can net you the Tac spirit.

For one... somebody has WAY too much time on their hands. Secondly, with the limitations of the roster and spirits, you have to be creative to help it make sense. In those examples, they are doing that... The Diddy Kong fight says that he favors his Side Special, which is a kick. Dee Jay is a kick boxer; The Donkey Kong fight has sleep inducing floors and his punches are stronger, kind of like Mr. Sandman and the Villager team can do damage by running into you and are faster then you like Tac.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on December 26, 2018, 12:47:36 am
Speaking of spirit battles...

I'm doing my thing and I'm looking at GameFAQS and I see a topic that catches my eye... apparently some website out there is claiming that a few of the battles are racist. Which ones?

Well, you have a fight against Diddy Kong that can net you the Dee Jay spirit, a fight against Donkey Kong that can net you the Mr. Sandman spirit and a fight against a team of Villagers that can net you the Tac spirit.

For one... somebody has WAY too much time on their hands. Secondly, with the limitations of the roster and spirits, you have to be creative to help it make sense. In those examples, they are doing that... The Diddy Kong fight says that he favors his Side Special, which is a kick. Dee Jay is a kick boxer; The Donkey Kong fight has sleep inducing floors and his punches are stronger, kind of like Mr. Sandman and the Villager team can do damage by running into you and are faster then you like Tac.

Yeah, saying those are "racist" is definitely a stretch. This kinda reminds me of the Mr. Game and Watch side smash feather (which I thought actually was racist, since it directly referenced a harmful stereotype from the past. It wasn't enough to make me angry, but still).

Also, this is GameFAQs we're talking about here. Of course they will try to find something to complain about.  :mlol:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 26, 2018, 06:09:26 am
Speaking of spirit battles...

I'm doing my thing and I'm looking at GameFAQS and I see a topic that catches my eye... apparently some website out there is claiming that a few of the battles are racist. Which ones?

Well, you have a fight against Diddy Kong that can net you the Dee Jay spirit, a fight against Donkey Kong that can net you the Mr. Sandman spirit and a fight against a team of Villagers that can net you the Tac spirit.

For one... somebody has WAY too much time on their hands. Secondly, with the limitations of the roster and spirits, you have to be creative to help it make sense. In those examples, they are doing that... The Diddy Kong fight says that he favors his Side Special, which is a kick. Dee Jay is a kick boxer; The Donkey Kong fight has sleep inducing floors and his punches are stronger, kind of like Mr. Sandman and the Villager team can do damage by running into you and are faster then you like Tac.

Yeah, saying those are "racist" is definitely a stretch. This kinda reminds me of the Mr. Game and Watch side smash feather (which I thought actually was racist, since it directly referenced a harmful stereotype from the past. It wasn't enough to make me angry, but still).

Also, this is GameFAQs we're talking about here. Of course they will try to find something to complain about.  :mlol:

It wasn't so much GameFAQS doing this as it was ResetEra starting this baloney and the screw-ups at GameFAQS reacted in easily the way the people at ResetEra wanted: The old standard of 'OMG, these evul SJWs are ruining my game!!"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 28, 2018, 12:29:28 am
Slight update on the DLC progress. (https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-jokers-reveal-getting-some-rest-and-more/)  As of Sakurai's last column, Joker's not at a point where he can even be considered playable.  Nintendo were the ones who insisted that Joker be revealed at the Game Awards, but Sakurai's team hadn't even begun developing him yet by that time, which is why they had to do the 2D animated trailer.

This makes me feel like it'll probably be around April/May at the earliest before Joker actually comes out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 28, 2018, 12:52:04 am
That does make sense considering that this is a character (and a series) that hasn't appeared in Smash Brothers before. While there might be ideas for moves he can have (like his Final Smash involving his Persona reaching it's final form for one big all out attack), there's a lot of work to do here: animations big and small, a stage from the series (probably from Persona 5), getting the okay to use music from the series and remixes of said music, maybe an assist trophy and more then likely spirits...

April/May might be right in the ball park here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 28, 2018, 01:35:13 am
I'd imagine he plays like other duo characters like Ice Climbers and Rosalina and Luma, which also requires more work designing and balancing to a presentable degree.

Interesting the choice to reveal the character at all was from higher up, though.  I wonder if they'd go as far as to show off the second character prior to the first one being released?  Is there any other event Nintendo should be presenting at by Spring next year?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 28, 2018, 01:55:37 am
It's not quite like that.  His persona isn't like a separate character or a pokemon type thing.  It's more or less that game's conceit for spellcasting: The persona comes out, performs the spell, then goes back all within the span of a single turn.  I expect Arsene will just pop out to perform attacks for Joker's specials.  At best, he might play like a Capcom Jojo character with a stand persona on/off toggle.

On the topic of Persona content, I cannot wait to play Smash with this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVj0Z6ahcI) song playing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on December 28, 2018, 02:12:40 am
Me too man, Persona 5 is just full of awesome songs, I also do hope that they throw in songs from other Persona games as well, but that's just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xenomic on December 28, 2018, 04:52:09 am
Oh man. At first, I wasn't really sure why Palutena was so high in tier lists, and now after watching Leffen's video on her stuff and how to play her, and putting it into practical use, I think I'm starting to see it a loooot more now. She's got some REALLY good zoning and aerials, and the invincibility on her BAir and Dash attacks are just amazing. Still hate Autoreticle though, worthless junk...

So what all are ya'll maining now? For me, it's still Ganondorf/Mario/Wolf as primary, with Palutena quickly getting up there, and still learning (or know how to use quite well but not sure if main tier or not) Link/Zelda/Robin/Cloud/Richter/K.Rool/Roy/Falcon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 28, 2018, 05:11:14 am
From what I've seen Palutena seems like more fun than before.  But I really only care to play characters I actually know, and while that's the majority of faces in here, I really only know Palutena from before the Uprising revival.

I've been trying to understand Rosalina and Luma this game.  Enjoy her as a character, even managed to get her amiibo with this game, which after the incident last game with them I'm just glad was able to find at all.  My comfort zone is playing Samus and Link, so she's proving rather hard to grasp beyond a beginner's level.  Which is still fine for casual matches, can go 3 stock playing with friends who only play for fun and not trying to better understand the characters, but I feel like she needs a better way to position Luma on the map than just dropping it or shooting it at an unsure distance via charging and letting it just sit there.  But when things come together she's fun to juggle opponents back and forth between the two.

It's not quite like that.  His persona isn't like a separate character or a pokemon type thing.  It's more or less that game's conceit for spellcasting: The persona comes out, performs the spell, then goes back all within the span of a single turn.  I expect Arsene will just pop out to perform attacks for Joker's specials.  At best, he might play like a Capcom Jojo character with a stand persona on/off toggle.
So Zelda Down+B: The Moveset.  I figured it would be something akin to Capcom's Jojo fighting game, yeah, just the summoned help would be more punishable and probably killable with a respawn a la Rosalina and Luma.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 28, 2018, 01:23:54 pm
I'm still keeping with Ness and Lucas, since I've mained them in every game, and they feel a lot better this time around.  Ness in particular seems to have a lot more options, with PK Flash moving a lot faster and PK Thunder being given a ton of knockback compared to what it used to do.

I've been trying to learn Isabelle too, but she's trickier than I expected.  With all of her specials she's an absolute beast at controlling space;  the fishing rod gives her a ridiculous grab range and can even be used grab edge guarders from off stage, and her balloon recovery is so fast and has so much mobility that if you can get it out after getting launched, you can pretty much put yourself back down anywhere you want on the stage.  I'm just trying to figure out how to get reliable KOs with her, since all of her Smash attacks have really short range.

On the other hand, I've been having a lot of luck with Incineroar and he's pretty much the exact opposite of Isabelle.  He's got a very limited area that he's effective in, but once you get someone in that range he hits like a goddamn truck.  I haven't tested everyone extensively, but Incineroar seems to be who I'm best at so far, since I've managed to rack up over 2 million GSP with him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on December 29, 2018, 02:07:56 pm
I haven't tested everyone extensively, but Incineroar seems to be who I'm best at so far, since I've managed to rack up over 2 million GSP with him.

GSP is also affected by other players to the point where you can literally do nothing for days and still see an increase as more players place below you.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 31, 2018, 01:56:13 am
i'm almost done with all the challenges

the only advice for beating the final round without being ko'd before going to the true ending is in this video:



hint: in order to get the true ending you have to balance the part where light goes forward or dark goes forward

btw i've managed to get all 3 endings
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 31, 2018, 02:21:42 am
That was so easy. I managed to do that with the Star Fox characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on December 31, 2018, 03:21:57 am
I just did everything with Ganondorf.

Everything.

Missing 2 songs and something like 175 spirits...


haven't played the game in a few days.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 31, 2018, 03:48:51 am
speaking of songs, is that all the songs i got overall? i just bought them all at the shop and completed the remaining challenges to get more songs. that can't be all the songs i got right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on December 31, 2018, 04:18:23 am
is you song total in sounds 876 songs? that's how many there are.

I have 875 right now... getting the last one to spawn in the shop is proving to be super annoying.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 31, 2018, 04:49:47 am
I have currently 834 songs... and NONE OF THEM'S the X Vs Zero theme! I'm fuming cuz of that!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 31, 2018, 03:28:59 pm
also i've managed to beat classic mode at intensity 9.9 with ike to get the regal crown headwear for the mii. Did anyone else do that if so what character?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 01, 2019, 12:43:25 am
I'm still not sure what the trick is that separates getting a 9.9 instead of a 9.8.  I've only gotten 9.9 with Dark Samus, but plenty of 9.8 wins with Link, Young Link, Samus, and Pokémon Trainer.  Pretty sure I do around the same level of accomplishment, quick wins, no deaths, collect as much as you can in the mini-game.

It's not as hard as Smash 4's true arcade ending, but I kinda appreciate that with the replacement being more Nintendo final boss callbacks.  I never did get to beat that Master Core thing last game because the swords were very unpredictable with their timing to dodge and get an easy kill on you.  That said, I think looking forward for next Smash or DLC in this game, though unlikely I'd say, they should expand the collection of these end bosses, it's an incredibly neat idea.  Buff up Mewtwo so he's not just a warm-up for Master Hand or bring back Rayquaza or even throw in Arceus.  Get Galacta Knight in there to stop Meta Knight.  Have Sephiroth stop Cloud and turn into Safer Sephiroth.  Get....I don't know what Fire Emblem's deal is, I guess that Black Knight fellow is their end boss.  Just someone for everyone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 01, 2019, 02:25:36 am
Get Validar from FE Awakening to stop all of the FE fighters, even if Corrin doesn't know him... maybe. Since Bison and Akuma are in as spirits, maybe Seth can step in? idk. Anyway, it seems you get severely punished for even dying once in Classic as the intensity won't increase as much at all even if you used a ticket to continue without dropping intensity.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 01, 2019, 03:25:32 am
I'm not sure spirits should affect DLC chances for new additional players, it's probably an even less chance that it would affect bosses because we have Marx and his final form as spirits as well as him being a boss already.  Both Bison and Akuma should be fine in that regard.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 01, 2019, 03:35:46 am
We will only find out whether or not spirits deconfirm a character as DLC once all DLC characters are revealed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 01, 2019, 05:23:11 am
Given how so many of the spirits are various versions of the existing roster in different outfits/poses, I think it's probably safe to say that a spirit's existence doesn't really correlate to that character being a fighter or not.  Mario and Luigi alone must have like 50 spirits just for them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on January 02, 2019, 08:38:22 pm
also i've managed to beat classic mode at intensity 9.9 with ike to get the regal crown headwear for the mii. Did anyone else do that if so what character?
I have beaten Classic Mode 9.9 with Mega Man of all characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on January 02, 2019, 09:28:20 pm
I'm still not sure what the trick is that separates getting a 9.9 instead of a 9.8.  I've only gotten 9.9 with Dark Samus, but plenty of 9.8 wins with Link, Young Link, Samus, and Pokémon Trainer.  Pretty sure I do around the same level of accomplishment, quick wins, no deaths, collect as much as you can in the mini-game.

You have to "play well" by the game's standards which means taking less damage, finishing matches more quickly, so on and so forth. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on January 02, 2019, 10:01:49 pm
I'm at 55 Spirits and one song remaining.

I need to grind classic mode more in order to get more gold.

Is that really the fastest way? beating it on 9.9 only gets me a little under 1000 even when I use a ticket, and some of these spirits (Black Shadow and Sukopon come to mind) cost 15,000.

I keep losing to them on the spirit board too, which is becoming aggravating.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 03, 2019, 12:19:36 am
You have to "play well" by the game's standards which means taking less damage, finishing matches more quickly, so on and so forth. 
I mean....I am?  As far as I can tell.  I mean, I'm not literally getting perfect wins in 10 seconds per or anything, but I get the "Nice Job" announcement.  It's whatever, only needed to get the 9.9 once to get the hat, and even then it's not like I'm going to be playing Mii characters.  Just bizarre to me.

I really think you're better off just going for the spirit board through trial and error with rematches, they're all possible just not all viable trying to muscle through.  I managed both of those through the board.  Though yeah, Sukopon was rather unfair.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 03, 2019, 12:29:52 am
I've been grinding gold by doing Smash battles on 12 stocks with spirits on to make the battle quicker. I make around 130-150 gold per match.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 03, 2019, 01:13:56 am
I'm at 55 Spirits and one song remaining.
Heard getting the last song was glitched, atm.


BTW, can anyone confirm if 9.9 also requires no continues at all? I haven't gone too much into it, but I've had to use tickets for continues and I always get to 9.8 no matter how high the intensity was before.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 03, 2019, 01:17:22 am
Like I said... the game severely punishes you if you die even once. I think once you reach 9.9, if you lose there, then you can use the ticket to stay there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 03, 2019, 01:28:05 am
BTW, can anyone confirm if 9.9 also requires no continues at all? I haven't gone too much into it, but I've had to use tickets for continues and I always get to 9.8 no matter how high the intensity was before.
Even if you don't use continues, you still may be off 9.9.  It all depends on how well you did in the early rounds.

I am unsure how this ticket thing works, but one time I lost against the last boss, used a ticket, and suddenly got my character to 9.9 from 9.2.  Lose in any match othen than the last boss will lock you out of 9.9.

Just luck if you aren't spamming Smash Attacks and hitting them constantly.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on January 03, 2019, 01:44:18 am
I'm at 55 Spirits and one song remaining.
Heard getting the last song was glitched, atm.


BTW, can anyone confirm if 9.9 also requires no continues at all? I haven't gone too much into it, but I've had to use tickets for continues and I always get to 9.8 no matter how high the intensity was before.

You can continue with a ticket and still get 9.9, but dying will negatively affect your intensity increase after the match so the later in classic that you use it the better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on January 03, 2019, 02:10:01 am
I'm at 55 Spirits and one song remaining.
Heard getting the last song was glitched, atm.


Is that why? Good God it's infuriating I don't even know which one it is and the list is so huge I can't be bothered to check.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on January 03, 2019, 09:56:13 pm
It's the original, non-remixed version of the Overworld from Super Mario Bros 3.  Not the biggest loss when you have a great remixed version, at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 04, 2019, 02:22:34 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on January 04, 2019, 05:56:53 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on January 04, 2019, 06:02:19 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on January 04, 2019, 10:28:07 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Whiplash- on January 04, 2019, 11:32:59 pm
I got all the spirits.

Except...

Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevee.

You need to buy BOTH let's go Pikachu AND let's go Eevee to get them.

Yeah fuck that.

So here have this screenshot.

(https://i.imgur.com/pym4Jrf.png)

Fuck Sukapon BTW.

Still missing that one song.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Baby Bonnie Hood on January 04, 2019, 11:41:14 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 05, 2019, 12:05:05 am
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Dude, Zelda fans can be obnoxious over how good the games are but that's because they're literally topping the charts of actual best video games ever made ever.  Hardly cancerous.  And I don't play Fire Emblem but from an outsider's perspective it's not even remotely bad a fanbase.  Its biggest issue is seemingly its divide between new and old generations and the "character bonding" mechanic being the crux, and if your biggest issue is the addition of patting your not-Hatsune Miku on the head or just inferring dialogue that these characters have human emotions, then they don't have a lot to fight over.

...Though I am of the understanding at some point Fire Emblem decided dragon lolis was in vogue for god knows what reason.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/katietiedrich/comic296_zps6463473c.png)
Any excuse to reference that comic, it always cracks me up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 05, 2019, 12:34:12 am
^ The fun thing to do with Nowi in that game is to pair her up with Ricken, which technically makes her the pedophile in that relationship.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 05, 2019, 12:53:20 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on January 05, 2019, 03:02:30 am
Why am I having to click a bunch of spoiler tags?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 05, 2019, 03:25:12 am
Why am I having to click a bunch of spoiler tags?
There were leaks that people are discussing about, with one specific character being disliked, another that people don't care about and two that are somewhat likely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 05, 2019, 04:30:25 am
Why am I having to click a bunch of spoiler tags?

Courtesy for those who don't want to be spoiled by leaks on the off chance this latest rumor mill is real. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 05, 2019, 04:46:59 am
Why am I having to click a bunch of spoiler tags?

Courtesy for those who don't want to be spoiled by leaks on the off chance this latest rumor mill is real. 
Which could easily not be, just like all the other thousand leaks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 05, 2019, 05:23:38 am
Very true.  Honestly I don't even really believe this one myself, since its only real claim to credibility is cobbling together previous leaks from other sources and then "predicting" that Atlus is going to do to Persona 5 what it always does to every Persona game.  But fair's fair, you know.

At any rate, someone went through the parameters of the three codenamed DLC characters that were datamined and analyzed what they might play like, at least as far as physics go.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on January 05, 2019, 08:19:18 pm
With all these rumors/leaks/announcements, has Super Smash Bros. jumped the shark? What would you constitute as jumping the shark for this game?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on January 05, 2019, 08:20:29 pm
Snake tbh
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 05, 2019, 08:59:06 pm
With all these rumors/leaks/announcements, has Super Smash Bros. jumped the shark? What would you constitute as jumping the shark for this game?
Anyone that never had anything to do with Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 05, 2019, 09:07:16 pm
With all these rumors/leaks/announcements, has Super Smash Bros. jumped the shark? What would you constitute as jumping the shark for this game?

Nobody, really.  With the genuinely unnecessary amount of characters that are in the game already, and all of the highly requested super popular characters that are there already, I feel like it'd honestly be extremely childish to get upset or offended because they added someone that I, personally, wasn't asking for.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on January 05, 2019, 09:32:12 pm
True, nowadays I am actually shocked at the new additions because anyone can get in Smash at this point. Getting mad cause so and so isn't in is super childish and we should be grateful that an awesome team is working on this game and that Sakurai is leading the charge until he takes his leave. I just hope nothing too crazy happens to this series.

Edit cause auto correct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 05, 2019, 11:30:54 pm
You'd be jumping the shark when you get to the point that you go against your own word just because fans demand it.  So Goku, then.  And yeah, I would enjoy the inclusion and playing as him, but I'm not going to freaking demand him or anything.  Sakurai has an understandable reason for his exclusion and ilk of his kind being from sources outside video games.

The only alternative I'd say was past long ago, series that did not start with Nintendo, are not first party, are largely associated with another company, etc.  So if you're of the mindset Smash absolutely needs to be nothing but Nintendo's history and no acknowledgment anywhere else.  Fine enough for the first two games, but you're willfully being ignorant to a LOT of video game history then.  Which I'm personally glad they've expanded their horizons a bit more.

Now give us Gordan Freeman.  Come on, it's not like Valve's doing anything with him.  Square Enix has done more for the series than Valve in the past decade or so.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on January 06, 2019, 12:56:17 am
Now give us Gordan Freeman.  Come on, it's not like Valve's doing anything with him.  Square Enix has done more for the series than Valve in the past decade or so.

If that happens, that would make Super Smash Bros. the real Half-Life 3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on January 06, 2019, 04:41:00 am
Gordon would be out of this world amazing. Can't see Sakurai choosing someone that interesting, but I am so happy I can dream about that now.

Or maybe he'll just make him throw/spawn Headcrabs and Combine Soldiers...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 06, 2019, 05:15:14 am
Half-Life never had any Nintendo release AFAIK, so I don't think Freeman has a chance at all, even Persona had a Nintendo game, which means it still makes sense to add Joker. In fact, the only character currently in the series that didn't appear in a Nintendo game (outside Smash, obviously) was R.O.B., but he is still originally a Nintendo add-on, so he fits in well enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on January 06, 2019, 11:14:58 am
You'd be jumping the shark when you get to the point that you go against your own word just because fans demand it.
Ridley says hi
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 06, 2019, 04:24:15 pm
Ridley doesn't go against his word?  Sakurai was the one who got the ball rolling wanting Ridley in the game to begin with.  But they didn't think it he would work without shrinking him, and thought shrinking him would lose his overall presence for the longest time though.  They clearly decided to go with it anything this game though and just doubled his size fighting him as a boss, and things worked out great.

Also Gordan's just me half-joking.  I mean, yeah, I'd want him, but it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on January 14, 2019, 04:11:08 am
guys i have a question about dlc characters, will each dlc character get a classic mode route or not?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on January 14, 2019, 04:21:06 am
I don't see why they wouldn't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on January 14, 2019, 08:26:54 am
guys i have a question about dlc characters, will each dlc character get a classic mode route or not?

Of course, they will have their own Classic mode route.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 14, 2019, 08:30:44 pm
They may have their own Classic Mode route (maybe not) but Pit will have the "Who is THAT!?" reaction when doing the guidance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on January 16, 2019, 10:16:14 am
They may have their own Classic Mode route (maybe not) but Pit will have the "Who is THAT!?" reaction when doing the guidance.

Oh yeah, I remember that. The DLC chars won't get their own Palutena Guidance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on January 16, 2019, 10:01:13 pm
NOT that I believe it, but maybe the VA's did multiple lines and never told who would make it or not?
The announcer had to do that, and he was never told who would make it or not. I think he did over 300 different ones.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xenomic on January 17, 2019, 04:41:09 am
So, after watching Leffen's vid on Palutena and applying what I know, I think I got infinitely better with her. In fact, she's probably my new best character in general. Though still have issues with the likes of say...Ike and Ganon. x_x;

Trying to learn Zelda next, since I would like to get really good with her, but she's kinda rough to learn. Not good with her Phantom nor good at handling her floatiness. I should probably relearn how to use my old mains much more (Mario/Ganon/Wolf), though Ganon isn't too hard to figure out since he's so straightforward lol. Any tips on Zelda that anyone has??
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on January 17, 2019, 05:59:18 am
NOT that I believe it, but maybe the VA's did multiple lines and never told who would make it or not?
The announcer had to do that, and he was never told who would make it or not. I think he did over 300 different ones.

I'd imagine the problem with that is it's a lot more expensive for the VAs to say lots of additional lines that will never actually get used compared to the announcer just voicing out a character name per red herring.  Not to mention the resources that the script writers would need to make convincing conversations that would go to waste too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 25, 2019, 07:07:57 pm
Patch 2.0 is supposedly getting dropped within the next week.  Piranha Plant inbound.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on January 26, 2019, 01:39:22 am
Finally, the Plant Gang can rise up.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrcLJwDUcAAX8uN.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 26, 2019, 05:49:27 pm
Speaking of Pirahna Plant, here's a reminder to check your E-mail for the code for PP if you bought the game. Physical buyers have to register the game card first via the Earn points option.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 26, 2019, 07:55:49 pm
I've BEEN got the code and redeemed it so I just need to wait for that patch so the Piranha Plant can show up in the select screen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 30, 2019, 02:37:20 am
Patch 2.0 is out.  Along with Piranha Plant, a handful of new updates got rolled out.  The Partner Pikachu/Eevee spirits along with the event-exclusive spirits have been added into the regular rotation, and spirit board can now be played with up to four players.

Interestingly enough, I thought to test this out and Piranha Plant does have a unique Palutena's Guidance conversation, Looks like they're actually doing them for the DLC this time around.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on January 30, 2019, 03:29:39 am
i got piranha plant and beat classic mode with it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on January 30, 2019, 05:23:50 am
Piranha Plant is super tricky to play, but once you get the feel of how it plays, you can make some crazy plays.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 30, 2019, 06:35:44 am
The new pressing 2 jump buttons for an auto-short hop is a blessing.

Plant's tricky to get use too but feels high-tier with lots of setups.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nep Heart on January 30, 2019, 08:39:54 am
https://twitter.com/i/status/1090441077826486272
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on January 30, 2019, 01:30:53 pm
Interestingly enough, I thought to test this out and Piranha Plant does have a unique Palutena's Guidance conversation, Looks like they're actually doing them for the DLC this time around.

Hmm, interesting indeed.

Time to Pipe it up! Finally the update is ready.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 30, 2019, 02:26:26 pm
There's reports that using Piranha Plant in All-Star mode corrupts your save data. Good thing nobody really bothers with that, but a fair warning for anyone who does.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on January 31, 2019, 12:59:20 am
Interestingly enough, I thought to test this out and Piranha Plant does have a unique Palutena's Guidance conversation, Looks like they're actually doing them for the DLC this time around.

Excellent.

I just tried Piranha Plant for the first time after getting off work today. Can't say I'm really feeling him, which is a pity, cuz I was looking forward to using him. Oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 31, 2019, 02:21:30 am
It is a tricky character to figure out, but it feels like it's got a very solid set of tools that could be useful.  It's neutral B is an edgeuarding godsend once you get the spacing down, and I've had a lot of luck using it's side B to hide my movements from opponents.  I'm nowhere hear the competitive level, but I have a feeling once the lab results come in we could see some really interesting stuff from Piranha Plant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 07, 2019, 12:57:09 am
if anyone wants to know what's causing the save data corruption for piranha plant, here it is:

https://gonintendo.com/stories/328052-a-specific-type-of-microsd-card-might-be-causing-smash-bros-ulti

it turns out that a specific microSD card called the Samsung 256GB 100MB/s (U3) MicroSDXC EVO Select Memory Card is responsible for that

glad i don't own that microSD card
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on February 07, 2019, 08:40:59 am
Oh, wow.  That's a hella obscure.
No wonder Nintendo hasn't figured out how to fix it yet.

...but surely this problem isn't just limited to only this SD card model, is it?  If this problem is as widespread as we believe, the players affected can't all be using the same SD card model, could they?

I suppose it's important to note that the article mentions counterfeit SD cards.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 14, 2019, 12:58:31 am
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e2/Joker_In-Game_Model.png)

Joker must be really unfinished if they can't even show off his face yet.  Looks like he's using the default Assassin Knife you start the game with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 14, 2019, 02:14:09 am
joker's a first third party sword fighter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 14, 2019, 04:11:31 am
We'll ignore Cloud then, shall we? :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on February 14, 2019, 05:47:22 am
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e2/Joker_In-Game_Model.png)

Joker must be really unfinished if they can't even show off his face yet.  Looks like he's using the default Assassin Knife you start the game with.

it's not that they can't show off his face, it's just they're saving everything for probably a smash-related reveal stream with the 3.0 stuff.


they're just tickling our balls right now and teasing is really hard for the sake of it lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on February 14, 2019, 07:29:31 am
I was expecting on March, but end of April sounds good enough. I'm already a day off of my work.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 14, 2019, 01:10:11 pm
it's not that they can't show off his face, it's just they're saving everything for probably a smash-related reveal stream with the 3.0 stuff.


they're just tickling our balls right now and teasing is really hard for the sake of it lol

They could've at least shown the full model like they did for Mewtwo in Sm4sh.  It's not like people don't know what Joker looks like.

Unless they're doing something crazy like making him wear a giant Morgana mascot head.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on February 15, 2019, 04:20:14 pm

What a bummer... But it was fun those guidance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 15, 2019, 04:41:23 pm
We'll ignore Cloud then, shall we? :P

sorry cloud's first and joker's second
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on February 17, 2019, 04:48:35 pm
Nah, Plasmoid is right.
Someone who only has two unremixed songs and absolutely no spirits aside from Cloud's two Smash renders absolutely IS someone worth ignoring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on February 17, 2019, 09:23:18 pm
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on February 17, 2019, 09:31:51 pm
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.

To be fair, i like to use Cloud against some serious players or my friend who's almost a pro at Smash Bros.
The downside is that there's no more content of Final Fantasy or the creators have a bit of copyright issues. We already had Cloud as a DLC char and Geno as a Mii Costume. I was disappointed that Cloud had two musics, no other FF spirits around and the Geno Mii Costume has't returned.

I still use my Barret as a Mii Gunner. So no assist trophy of him, but a Final Fantasy Mii costume would be nice aside the Chocobo hat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 17, 2019, 10:06:28 pm
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.
You're joking, right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on February 17, 2019, 11:25:52 pm
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.

No, not really. I don't want to sound cliché, but you could be just saying that because he's too good as a character. While I personally don't like Cloud since he's too good, I still think he's a nice addition. FFVII is one of the most iconic games ever released along with Ocarina of Time and Mario 64, it only seemed right to put him in.

Sure, he may not have been given as much justice even in SSB4 and Ultimate (JP Voice Acting Only and 2 Music Tracks), but it's definitely more love and affection than what Square Enix will ever give him and FFVII in the future.

(R.I.P. FF7 Remake)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 18, 2019, 07:34:03 am
Except Cloud in Ultimate isn't as good as he was in Smash 4
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on February 18, 2019, 07:38:28 am
He's still pretty good in general, just not as good as in Smash 4
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on February 19, 2019, 10:34:46 am
I did not play Cloud much in SSB4, but I actually play him a lot in Ultimate. Idk. Just prefer him in Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 21, 2019, 04:20:50 am
Spoiler: They would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling dataminers (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 21, 2019, 05:41:06 am
Spoiler: "But the real question is..." (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2019, 06:36:05 am
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.
why?

his inclusion is a huge stop forward in gaming history.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on February 21, 2019, 11:32:17 am
probably salt over how good he is and how many people play him
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on February 21, 2019, 01:32:06 pm
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.
You're joking, right?

In retrospect? Yes. Square-Enix turned out to be an absolute bitch of a company to work with. This is why he has only two songs, absolutely no spirits, and doesn't show up at all in Spirits mode. He was most likely a last minute addition. I even heard SE wanted him to be a dlc character (again) but because of the whole "everyone is here" thing they were coerced into not doing it. It apparently is also why Erdrick is highly rumored to be a dlc character since they compromised and had an agreement to have a new SE rep as dlc instead.

I don't doubt that whatever new game will come in the future Cloud will not return ever and Sakurai or whoever will direct the new game will stay away from working with SE.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 21, 2019, 01:37:02 pm
^ Cloud is in Spirits mode, though.  That was just a false rumor that started because he's not available until the second half of it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on February 21, 2019, 02:13:20 pm
Cloud is in Spirits mode, though.

Yeah, he sure is in the second portion. Take it from both him and me, since I actually just finished Adventure mode last night. Basically, the game tricks you by...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

The portion where Cloud pops up is in ...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

So yeah, he's in.
(a thing was here)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on February 21, 2019, 02:28:40 pm
Really Cloud was just thrownaway like that. Representing a series he had nothing to do with?

(well, someone didn't play through all of World of Light...)


I don't even have a Switch because I can't afford one. All my info is by everyone's word of mouth and I wasn't interested enough with WoL to delve into deeper info on it. I haven't even watched any of the Ghaleem/Darkon stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2019, 02:58:43 pm
SE being hard to work with is kinda irrelevant. cloud was included in the world's most popular crossover franchise, thats a big thing, in terms of precedence and also content and just selling copies of the game. that he doesn't get representation in terms of music and spirits is unfortunate, but its really a nitpick in the grand scheme of things considering he is a fully fleshed character and not an assist trophy which is what most people thought was gonna happen.

i imagine SE isnt gonna get more involved than they already are, and they are being really stingy, but still, i dont see how his inclusion was a "mistake." theres been no actual argument as to why that is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on February 21, 2019, 04:15:30 pm

I don't even have a Switch because I can't afford one.


(oh. my apologies. I edited out that little thing of mine.  :sweatdrop:)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 21, 2019, 04:39:21 pm
Really Cloud was just thrownaway like that. Representing a series he had nothing to do with?

(well, someone didn't play through all of World of Light...)


I don't even have a Switch because I can't afford one. All my info is by everyone's word of mouth and I wasn't interested enough with WoL to delve into deeper info on it. I haven't even watched any of the Ghaleem/Darkon stuff.

Most characters are unlocked in a way that has little to do with their series.  It’s nothing to do with Cloud in particular.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on February 21, 2019, 07:30:54 pm
SE being hard to work with is kinda irrelevant. cloud was included in the world's most popular crossover franchise, thats a big thing, in terms of precedence and also content and just selling copies of the game. that he doesn't get representation in terms of music and spirits is unfortunate, but its really a nitpick in the grand scheme of things considering he is a fully fleshed character and not an assist trophy which is what most people thought was gonna happen.

i imagine SE isnt gonna get more involved than they already are, and they are being really stingy, but still, i dont see how his inclusion was a "mistake." theres been no actual argument as to why that is.
Honestly, the fact that Square Enix IS so stingy with Final Fantasy representation is why I think adding Cloud was a mistake.
If you're gonna add a FE rep as a playable, but will be absolutely horrid in terms of FE representation almost everywhere else, then why even fucking bother at this point?
Either go all out or don't even try.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on February 21, 2019, 11:36:03 pm
jesus christ

im just happy he's in the game at all good lord

i really don't see the benefit of removing characters for the sake of a silly reason like that. yes sure, he's not repped well but he's there. what are you gonna do? cry about him being there in the first place?

for a game all about repping gaming history and extending hands to other franchises to join in, you guys sure are close minded about characters "deserving" to be in or not.

it's silly, grow up. wanting a character removed for lack of songs or other reasons like that means that nobody wins in the end.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on February 21, 2019, 11:39:19 pm
Dang, I don't like Pac's inclusion for the same reason as this Cloud debacle, but what can you do? Copyright laws are a bitch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 22, 2019, 12:40:37 am
What the hell are you on about?  There's a shitload of Pac-Man and Namco content in Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 22, 2019, 01:43:20 am
He doesn't like Pac-Man's moveset so the game is trash to him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ShiroTori on February 22, 2019, 02:40:12 am
Why is moving on such a foreign concept for some people? I could list multiple things about Smash Ultimate that I wish could have been done, but I'm not gonna sit here at my keyboard wailing about how something was a mistake and shouldn't be there because it wasn't pulled off the way I wanted it. Does it suck that FF only has two songs and absolutely no spirits in Smash? Yeah, but at the same time Cloud is still a lot of fun to use and Midgar is still a cool stage. These things shouldn't instantly make the entire game a dud.

Some people are just born to be disgruntled I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on February 22, 2019, 03:07:45 am
Why is moving on such a foreign concept for some people? I could list multiple things about Smash Ultimate that I wish could have been done, but I'm not gonna sit here at my keyboard wailing about how something was a mistake and shouldn't be there because it wasn't pulled off the way I wanted it.

Some people are just born to be disgruntled I guess.

You know, I was pretty much the same way with Sonic Forces. After playing it through, I was SUPER upset that the rumors being made online about the game weren't true like "Silver will be playable!" and "Someone will die in the game's storyline!".

While it did take a while to pull off (and discouraged YEARS of being in the fandom), I moved on with myself, forgot about the whole game and left the Sonic Fandom altogether.

If a little kid like me can move on from something disappointing like Forces, as well as this whole SSBU ordeal, then SURELY some grown adults can... right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 22, 2019, 03:16:49 am
The quantity of FFVII content in Smash prior isn't particularly shocking anyways, it was THE FF title to break away from Nintendo and garnered a generation of fans outside the circle of Nintendo's Final Fantasy titles, not to mention leading to the creation of Kingdom Hearts.  Going forward, seeing they're pushing the news of these titles other consoles missed out on getting ported around, sure, would be fair to expect the next Smash game to bump the content, but even by Smash Ultimate's announcement it wasn't outside the realm of expectance that the non-Nintendo rep there would get the bare minimum, his presence is all the present you get.

For example if this ballooning partnership Nintendo's currently having with Microsoft recently carried over to an eventual inclusion of Master Chief, as noteworthy a character in the medium's iconography, I wouldn't honestly expect a whole lot, just John himself, and an Installation 04 map or I dunno, Cario Station or The Ark, some Mjolnir Mix soundtrack and call it a day.  Because Master Chief being in at all would be mind-blowing.  Conversely, if they went for Banjo & Kazooie or Joanna Dark, something with a more intimate Nintendo history, then yeah, I would expect more than the character, a map and required music, the bare minimum.

That's not to say I LIKE it, but it's just understandable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on February 22, 2019, 07:38:21 am
jesus christ

im just happy he's in the game at all good lord

i really don't see the benefit of removing characters for the sake of a silly reason like that. yes sure, he's not repped well but he's there. what are you gonna do? cry about him being there in the first place?

for a game all about repping gaming history and extending hands to other franchises to join in, you guys sure are close minded about characters "deserving" to be in or not.

it's silly, grow up. wanting a character removed for lack of songs or other reasons like that means that nobody wins in the end.

It was a mistake in retrospect for Sakurai and Nintendo since working with SE for the game was a nightmare for them. It has nothing to do with our personal opinions on Cloud himself. Of fucking course I love Cloud being in the game. I'm an absolute die hard FF fan. You're the ones taking our posts out of context.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2019, 02:04:25 pm
You still haven’t  demonstrated how it’s a mistake lol. Clouds inclusion is making them a big return on investment lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on February 22, 2019, 02:09:52 pm
jesus christ

im just happy he's in the game at all good lord

i really don't see the benefit of removing characters for the sake of a silly reason like that. yes sure, he's not repped well but he's there. what are you gonna do? cry about him being there in the first place?

for a game all about repping gaming history and extending hands to other franchises to join in, you guys sure are close minded about characters "deserving" to be in or not.

it's silly, grow up. wanting a character removed for lack of songs or other reasons like that means that nobody wins in the end.

It was a mistake in retrospect for Sakurai and Nintendo since working with SE for the game was a nightmare for them.

that's....not a mistake? his inclusion gives a ton of SE fans reason to buy the game even more

why are you speaking for sakurai as if you know for a fact he considers it a mistake? there are alot of things that are hard to do and get in life, doesn't mean they're mistakes though. If Sakurai really had a hard time putting Cloud in and STILL went through with it, it just shows how much he REALLY wanted him to be included in the first place.

no, im not taking things out of context, the context is completely presented to me obviously in my face right now.

you're still not making any valid points my dude. you don't even HAVE the game in the first place, hell you had to be corrected on the fact that he's in WOL, just unlocked later on.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on February 22, 2019, 05:30:13 pm
Don't mind me, just trying to wrap my head around why the whole sub-forum went from THIS:
Cloud was a mistake to put in Smash, to be honest.
... to THIS:
It was a mistake in retrospect for Sakurai and Nintendo since working with SE for the game was a nightmare for them.

that's....not a mistake? his inclusion gives a ton of SE fans reason to buy the game even more

why are you speaking for sakurai as if you know for a fact he considers it a mistake? there are alot of things that are hard to do and get in life, doesn't mean they're mistakes though. If Sakurai really had a hard time putting Cloud in and STILL went through with it, it just shows how much he REALLY wanted him to be included in the first place.

no, im not taking things out of context, the context is completely presented to me obviously in my face right now.

you're still not making any valid points my dude. you don't even HAVE the game in the first place, hell you had to be corrected on the fact that he's in WOL, just unlocked later on.

If a little kid like me can move on from something disappointing like ... this whole SSBU ordeal, then SURELY some grown adults can... right?
(perhaps not.)
no need to report... yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 22, 2019, 06:23:22 pm
Bud, don't threaten to call the mods if you don't like how the wind is blowing in a discussion. It's not a good look.

If you think something is report worthy then report it simply and swiftly, we'll stop in and let you know whether it's something worth working.

For the record, nah not yet
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 02, 2019, 05:34:09 pm
opinions about smash are bad for topics, some people like to settle for less, some people like to have a bit more juice.
at least incineroar has the n word pass
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 03, 2019, 03:34:51 pm
Spoiler: More potential datamine info (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 04, 2019, 04:37:05 am
or she is jane d'arc by any of all those weeabo games that have had jane de arc lately.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on March 04, 2019, 04:43:01 am
I can't believe Joker was freaking Jane de Arc this whole time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 04, 2019, 03:57:32 pm
yeah, I was also surprised by king solomon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 05, 2019, 04:09:45 pm
Are you guys serious?
There's NO way that Nintendo add a Fate character in Smash!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on March 06, 2019, 02:37:48 am
There's NO way that Nintendo add a Fate character in Smash!

Eh. It's always possible. Unlikely, but still possible.
We got Joker anyways, didn't we?

(Also an unofficial Smash ballot came about, and I decided to vote for Heavy Weapons Guy from Team Fortress 2.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 06, 2019, 03:46:34 am
Is Fate originally a game or an anime/manga? The only character that didn't originate in games in Smash is R.O.B., and he is a console acessory, so his origin is still tied to games. A character that originated outside of gaming has no chance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Greed- on March 06, 2019, 03:57:28 am
Are you guys serious?
There's NO way that Nintendo add a Fate character in Smash!

I mean...

Fate was originally a visual novel, which is still a video game.  And Extella and Extella Link are both on the Switch.  They COULD.  It's not likely, but with Joker here, pretty much anything is in the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 06, 2019, 07:38:26 pm
Or they could do anything they fucking want its their game?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 06, 2019, 07:39:48 pm
Or they could do anything they fucking want its their game?
Yes, and because of that, they'll release a DLC where everyone is naked, because they can do anything, right? Its totally not like they have a theme going on or anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Retro Respecter on March 06, 2019, 08:34:53 pm
What I don't get is what is the objective? Joker is a big"?", because there were no Persona games for Nintendo consoles and/or handhelds.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on March 06, 2019, 08:39:02 pm
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/PersonaQBoxart.jpg)


Also, the Shin Megami series which Persona is a spin off of started on a Nintendo system.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 07, 2019, 12:40:45 am
Or they could do anything they fucking want its their game?
Yes, and because of that, they'll release a DLC where everyone is naked, because they can do anything, right? Its totally not like they have a theme going on or anything.

yes they can
sure it would be stupid since this shit was supposed to be "kid friendly"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 07, 2019, 05:08:06 am
I once said a Mortal Kombat character is very plausible as a meme. Me personally, Sub-Zero just to have another ice user in Smash who isn't a random awful retro rep, but "his spine rip would be his FS", which everyone says for some reason.

Nintendo could get away with that nowadays and the rating still wouldn't budge.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2019, 09:05:09 am
just curious, what is your standard for random awful retro reps
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on March 07, 2019, 10:03:03 pm
time for another leak video:

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 07, 2019, 10:34:47 pm
Spoiler: Allow me to spare you the trouble, just look here for an image of the leak (click to see content)
I honestly doubt this is actually a thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 07, 2019, 11:15:15 pm
The final two characters in that leak would be lame and anticlimactic. There are better choices, especially to represent FPS gaming.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 07, 2019, 11:44:04 pm
Spoiler: That's...an interesting opinion to come to. (click to see content)

Had to look up what the last one was, but that makes sense to add.  Thought it would have been in the base roster, to be honest, but maybe they were unsure of its lasting appeal mid-development, I dunno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 08, 2019, 12:00:35 am
Why would "Fighters Pass" and "stage" be in English when everything else is in German?  Lazy fake is lazy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on March 08, 2019, 12:20:46 am
You're telling me... a leak just surfaced and got debunked in about 2 hours?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 08, 2019, 04:15:58 am
The less effort that gets put into a fake the easier it is to tell.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 08, 2019, 06:07:56 am
i hope the next dlc character is someone that we all hate and is totally shitty and receives a ton of backlash.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 08, 2019, 06:25:07 am
No way Sakurai would choose someone that awesome. He'd just choose Infinite like everyone else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 08, 2019, 08:09:33 am
Or Big the Cat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on March 08, 2019, 11:41:49 am
[Sakurai]'d just choose Infinite like everyone else.

Ewww, no. Seriously?!

I was already upset enough when I saw him as a SPIRIT in Ultimate. I'm sure I don't want him as a character, thanks.

(I get it tho, it's supposed to be a joke.  :) )
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on March 08, 2019, 11:43:55 am
This is a terrible joke and you should all be ashamed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on March 08, 2019, 12:19:15 pm
This is a terrible joke and you should all be ashamed.

Couldn't possibly agree more.

Or Big the Cat.

Eh. The Incineroar colors are good enough for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 08, 2019, 07:25:54 pm
Why would "Fighters Pass" and "stage" be in English when everything else is in German?  Lazy fake is lazy.
As someone who owns a German copy of Smash Ultimate, I can actually confirm that the German releases do NOT translate "Fighters Pass" and "Stage" at all (even though they translated Master Hand for some reasons, but not Crazy Hand, like what?!)
So...the leak can still be real!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 08, 2019, 08:05:47 pm
It can't be real because its stupid. End of leak.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 08, 2019, 09:11:57 pm
Why would "Fighters Pass" and "stage" be in English when everything else is in German?  Lazy fake is lazy.
As someone who owns a German copy of Smash Ultimate, I can actually confirm that the German releases do NOT translate "Fighters Pass" and "Stage" at all (even though they translated Master Hand for some reasons, but not Crazy Hand, like what?!)
So...the leak can still be real!!!

Oh, for real?  I guess it’s the localizers that are lazy then.

Still gonna call shenanigans on this one though, since it’s doing the exact same thing that every wannabe leak does; repeating what other, more credible leaks have said and swapping out a few names to make it look like they have new info.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on March 08, 2019, 10:52:42 pm
I want to be very careful with how I phrase this question, but what would you constitute as a real legitimate leak and not something that's made up?

I'm not talking about just the characters. For example, the moment a data miner finds incontrovertible evidence that files of this character from this franchise exist, that's too easy. I'm talking more in reference to the photos that are out or were made out, like The Grinch photo, or the one that's being discussed right now. I have a very hard time separating between what's real and what's fake, especially when it comes to hints of a new Smash participant. Based on my previous conversations about Smash qualifications, I have an idea as to who gets in or not; one being video game importance and/or significance, although it is very likely for a rumored character to possibly be nothing more than a red herring. What are the things you want to look for in a rumor photo to double down on a supposed fake leak that might have merit?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 08, 2019, 11:35:56 pm
I want to be very careful with how I phrase this question, but what would you constitute as a real legitimate leak and not something that's made up?

I'm not talking about just the characters. For example, the moment a data miner finds incontrovertible evidence that files of this character from this franchise exist, that's too easy. I'm talking more in reference to the photos that are out or were made out, like The Grinch photo, or the one that's being discussed right now. I have a very hard time separating between what's real and what's fake, especially when it comes to hints of a new Smash participant. Based on my previous conversations about Smash qualifications, I have an idea as to who gets in or not; one being video game importance and/or significance, although it is very likely for a rumored character to possibly be nothing more than a red herring. What are the things you want to look for in a rumor photo to double down on a supposed fake leak that might have merit?
To begin with, it has to be a plausible addition, which, so far means: any character originated in gaming, whose franchise had anything to do with Nintendo, at some point in its existance, in addition, of course, to not be a completely retarded addition, like Big the Cat would be. Second, it must at least look like it comes from something official, otherwise, its just easy to spot (for example, the MKX photo of the roster that basically leaked the whole thing looks very legit and some characters from it were confirmed afterwards, but the current Smash one has half-translated texts, which makes it harder to believe).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on March 09, 2019, 02:59:33 am
I want to be very careful with how I phrase this question, but what would you constitute as a real legitimate leak and not something that's made up?

I'm not talking about just the characters. For example, the moment a data miner finds incontrovertible evidence that files of this character from this franchise exist, that's too easy. I'm talking more in reference to the photos that are out or were made out, like The Grinch photo, or the one that's being discussed right now. I have a very hard time separating between what's real and what's fake, especially when it comes to hints of a new Smash participant. Based on my previous conversations about Smash qualifications, I have an idea as to who gets in or not; one being video game importance and/or significance, although it is very likely for a rumored character to possibly be nothing more than a red herring. What are the things you want to look for in a rumor photo to double down on a supposed fake leak that might have merit?

Well, in my case, I've got the next criteria to work with:
*Does this character comes from a franchise that's already in the game?
*Do they appear in the game as ATs, pokéballs or spirits?
*Are they predictable "fanservice choices" like Banjo or Geno?
*Can this character offer a dedicated music pack?
*Can they live up to Joker's hype?
*Would Nintendo bother negotiating to get this character?
With all those things in mind, I find any rumour without Nintendo characters (yes, not even Fire Emblem garbage) to be at the very least, worth entertaining. This leak, while it may not be very convincing, it looks like something I can see happening, since all five are characters that people sleep on.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2019, 03:45:37 am
I want to be very careful with how I phrase this question, but what would you constitute as a real legitimate leak and not something that's made up?


Nothing is ever set in stone of course, but it all comes down to recognizing the usual patterns.  For instance, 99% of the time any "leak" that includes photos or pictures can be disregarded as fake, since any actual inside information will come word-of-mouth from a source inside the company, and not some dork who claims that they hacked into the mainframe and found the secret files but for some reason could only share it by taking an off-screen picture with an early aughts flip phone.

Likewise, you can pick up on people who are just piggybacking off more credible leakers by parroting what's already been said.  Usually, they'll reconfirm what someone else has already said, throw in one or two extremely safe guesses to try and forge credibility, and then throw in a ridiculous wildcard as if to say "this is too crazy for me to make up."  Take this one:  Vergeben, who's had a consistently solid track record with his info on this game, has repeatedly claimed a Square-Enix Rep is on the way, and now this person is "leaking" that Chrono is in.  Another recent leak that got a couple of things right about Joker mentioned Doomguy, and lo and behold he's on this list too.  Throw in a relatively safe guess (Jibanyan) and a wild hail Mary (Cuphead) and boom; Instant low-effort leak.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on March 10, 2019, 02:54:50 am
Spoiler: Allow me to spare you the trouble, just look here for an image of the leak (click to see content)

Could I also point out that (even though it might be different on German Switches) The little images displayed on the left representing each fighter pass set don't match up well with what is ACTUALLY displayed on the eShop?

- I could be wrong on this, but aren't the DLC bundles considered "Challenger Packs" and not "Sets" like how they're listed?

- And I checked my Switch's eShop earlier to see that the number displayed for each "Set" uses a different font than what's displayed here. The ACTUAL image also has the number smaller so it can fit "Challenger Pack" just above it.

I know this leak could've been burnt to the ground already, but does my theory help out at all when it comes to debunking it?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2019, 02:07:23 pm
While that leak with the DLC pass has been disproven, it should be noted that Nintendo and Microsoft is cooperating a bit more as of the late, if the announcement that Cuphead, a Microsoft and PC exclusive up until a few days ago, is coming to Switch later this year. So, it seems that Microsoft characters is on the menu right now. The question is who.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on March 23, 2019, 04:31:39 pm
The majority vote looks to be in favour of Banjo, which makes sense considering how big he was for Nintendo during the N64 days, though it's very possible that due to current popularity and relevance, something from Minecraft would be a viable guess; that's not to say I'm particularly fond of the prospect of Steve being revealed as DLC, mind you.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 23, 2019, 04:47:23 pm
^ On the topic of Minecraft, Vergeben's last info dump stated that his sources are claiming that content is coming, but as a boss and not a fighter.

Microsoft and Nintendo are getting super buddy-buddy lately (especially considering that Cuphead on Switch is coming with Xbox Live support) so it's not outside the realm of possibility that a MS-owned character might wind up in Smash.  With the unused references to Rareware and Rare-owned spirits they found when the game got datamined, Banjo-Kazooie feels like a safe bet to me. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on March 23, 2019, 10:03:55 pm
Plus it'd be nice since they were at some point considered for Melee, but then so was James Bond of all characters, so... :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 23, 2019, 10:31:03 pm
Coming back to this:

Spoiler: More potential datamine info (click to see content)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 31, 2019, 11:28:16 am
Bump for retailers not giving a shit.  Best Buy just leaked Joker’s official render in an ad on their online store.

Spoiler: Lookin’ cool, Joker (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on March 31, 2019, 07:11:32 pm
That's a nice lookin' render.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 10, 2019, 03:07:23 am
Other people can't leak our game if we do it ourselves.



New official commercial accidentally confirms Stage Builder mode coming up in 3.0.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on April 10, 2019, 03:15:59 am
I'm laughing at this right now because it's just a pipe dream atm. But I sure hope the rumor regarding the 4.11 Direct is true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on April 10, 2019, 11:11:09 pm
Good job, Nintendo.

Reminds me of when they accidentally confirmed Ganondorf in Smash 4 in one of their commercials.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on April 11, 2019, 03:35:15 am
Stage Builder? Meh ... Never liked it. The only usage it ever had in my eyes was the trick in Brawl to easily obtain CD's with the neat Sandbags on conveyors. The Sm4sh one was absolute crap.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on April 11, 2019, 07:03:46 am
You could make some crazy shenanigans or fun little side things with custom stages.

Smashsket-ball was hella fun while it lasted.

I'm hoping it's closer to Brawl's stage builder.  Smash 4's was a neat idea on paper, but it made making basic stages a lot more complicated that it should've been.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on April 11, 2019, 10:15:11 pm
Welp, no 4.11 direct. oh well. Guess we gotta wait till May for more info.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on April 11, 2019, 11:05:01 pm
April is not over yet. Probably before or after April.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 17, 2019, 03:51:08 am
Whoooaaa!  Looking cool, Joker!



That Mementos stage looks so much cooler than I thought it was going to.  And that remix of Beneath the Mask!  AND they're including music from Persona 3 and 4!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on April 17, 2019, 03:54:54 am
Jesus.  Looking at that stage gives me a slight migraine.  Fighting on it is one-part fighting the neon red flashing along with the other characters.

Having no connection to Persona and not particularly looking to start one, the minute things I do know seem integrated into the character nicely.  As an outsider he looks fine.  Of zero interest but fine for a Marth Strife.  I do get a chuckle that mixed with the magic with mystical sounding names one of his specials is just "gun".  The best type of magic, clearly.

Was hoping they would tease the next character to look forward to, but ah well.  I guess we can write Tails off the list though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on April 17, 2019, 04:10:21 am
i'm glad they added a couple of my favorite persona 4 tracks, omg we can still get mii fighters from someone else just like in the previous game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 17, 2019, 04:17:48 am
Here's the official render (https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/images/08_content_images/games_6/nintendo_switch_7/nswitch_supersmashbrosultimate_1/CI_NSwitch_SuperSmashBrosUltimate_DLC_Joker.jpg) at ludicrous resolution.

As amazing as everything looks and sounds here, I am a little surprised that that datamined "Jane" thing didn't come up at all, especially after they announced P5 The Royal.  No point in hiding anything as big as that since he's out tomorrow anyway.  Maybe it was just leftovers from a scrapped idea. Or she's an echo fighter and they're waiting until Atlas officially reveals her before adding her to Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on April 17, 2019, 04:26:33 am
I don't know why this was my first thought, but immediately it came to mind that Joker's inclusion lessens the likelihood of Sephiroth just because they shop at the same designer outfitters.

Seemed to me from the get-go that if there never was a Jane main character, it's just a codename for something else.  Granted then they should have codenamed the whole thing, but whatever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on April 17, 2019, 04:41:31 am
Well I'll be damned... we are getting stage builder after all.
 
Joker's gameplay looks as sick as I thought. Can't wait to try him out! And unlike Final Fantasy, we have Persona spirit battles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ZimKoraku on April 17, 2019, 08:47:21 am
I'm really impressed with how Joker's stage changes if you choose music from P3 or P4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on April 18, 2019, 02:50:00 pm
https://twitter.com/Lythero/status/1118761298848882688

Oh. Oh dear Joker.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on April 18, 2019, 03:22:53 pm
https://twitter.com/Lythero/status/1118761298848882688

Oh. Oh dear Joker.

In before Nerf.

Seriously though, this will make so many people salty. I am glad that I am taking a big break from Smash right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on April 18, 2019, 04:44:23 pm
^As already said...

Gun clearly is the best type of magic. :mlol:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 18, 2019, 07:06:45 pm
Joker Kirby is now the best thing because it’s Kirby pulling out a fucking gun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on April 18, 2019, 07:10:14 pm
i'm enjoying version 3.0 very much, especially the shared content part
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on April 18, 2019, 09:31:20 pm
Despite about me not being a Persona fan I do enjoy a lot Joker! So much fun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 19, 2019, 02:05:40 am
I'm loving all the effort that went into representing Persona as much and as well as possible in all this content.  But I'm getting the feeling Joker isn't a character I'm going to do well with.  I've never been great with the speedy, combo-focused characters in Smash.  Which sucks because he's really, really well designed!  I'll just need to practice a lot more to use him, I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on May 31, 2019, 03:31:33 am
Things literally nobody asked for:  VR Support for Super Smash Bros to spectate CPU matches in first person.



Thanks, Sakurai? 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on May 31, 2019, 03:53:24 am
That's just asking for nausea.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on May 31, 2019, 04:50:47 am
I kinda like it. Seeing fighting tourney quality matches up like that would probably be fun.

Edit: Yeah getting sick will probably take you out of it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on May 31, 2019, 05:17:50 am
Granted, VR wouldn't be so bad on static stages... but when you've got Big Blue and Pilotwings in motion is where chunks might hurl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on June 01, 2019, 03:13:17 am
this new vr support is so dumb

i love it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 06, 2019, 12:42:46 pm
Since E3's starting next week, let's check in with our old buddy Vergeben with some new leaks.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 09, 2019, 05:40:15 pm
Dat Fake Smash Ball tho.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on June 10, 2019, 11:59:38 pm
Time for Banjo.
Probably Erdrick, but Banjo be my pick for tomorrow's Smash DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on June 11, 2019, 06:39:50 pm
New DLC :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 11, 2019, 06:48:14 pm
BANJOOOOOOOO!!! Okay. Now that is Banjo is confirmed, Can ALL of you shut up about it?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 11, 2019, 06:56:04 pm
Don't be silly. Now they're definitely not going to shut up about it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on June 11, 2019, 07:01:50 pm
:o :o
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 11, 2019, 07:04:29 pm
Like I said, It's great that Banjo & Kazooie are coming to Smash in Fall of this year, but the fanbase will be even more disgusting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on June 11, 2019, 07:16:50 pm
Like I said, It's great that Banjo & Kazooie are coming in Smash in Fall of this year, but the fanbase will be even more disgusting.
they are quite annoying, they give everything and they can not afford it anymore, they gave them to ridley, king k rool, among others and now to banjo, even if they were to put waliugi as a playable character they would not settle for that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 11, 2019, 07:19:22 pm
 I’m so excited for Banjo-Kazooie to drop.  That Spiral Mountain stage looks great too, with Grunty and Bottles chilling in the back.

I was mostly lukewarm on the idea of a Dragon Quest rep until I saw the DQ8 hero is one of the playable alts.  That’s the only DQ I’ve played, but I played the shit out of it and loved it.  I never once thought I’d ever see the Guv in Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on June 11, 2019, 08:58:04 pm
Missed opportunity to fake-tease people into thinking that would be a Dragon Ball character. :[

Srsly though, all them together like this is cool

And awwnn... the DK Crew welcoming Banjoo & Kazooie is so adorable. It really caught me off-guard. :3
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 11, 2019, 11:47:07 pm
I'm noticing both characters are heavily based on previous character's movesets, borrowing from others to glue together new characters.  Slightly makes them less unique, but I guess it also makes me more interested in playing a FE character when it's not a FE character.  Even when you can place where they're drawing moves from, they still reskin them well enough to resemble the new character's movepool, like Banjo's back air being Meta Knight's but clearly also the triple peck move from BK.

I played DQ 1-3, so I know Erdrick and I know the guy with the bandana through Shonen Jump promoting it and the new guy from the new game.  I am not familiar with the green one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 12, 2019, 12:08:54 am
Green guy is the protag from Dragon Quest IV.

They brought back original BK composer Grant Kirkhope to make a new arrangement of Spiral Mountain and it's beautiful.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2019, 04:11:32 am
Always happy to see new DLC drop and always happy to see Banjo-Kazooie finally making it to the roster. If there is a character who deserves a spot, it will be those two, especially given the extensive history Rare had with Nintendo in the past.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 17, 2019, 10:42:32 am

The world joined together for the release of a great character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 17, 2019, 02:40:41 pm
Which is the loudest: people screaming when they get a brand new car by surprise, people screaming when a FPS player got a 360 no-scope headshot during a MLG stream, or people screaming when Banjo-Kazooie is revealed for Super Smash Bros.?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on June 17, 2019, 04:26:40 pm
We must find out.......FOR SCIENCE! (Though personally it's a toss up between the last two).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Baby Bonnie Hood on June 18, 2019, 12:24:58 am
And meanwhile, on the other side of the world:

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on June 18, 2019, 12:32:39 am
I liked both sides of the coin cause I do like playing the Dragon Quest games. In the end everybody got hyped for the characters and that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 29, 2019, 05:28:29 am
Sakurai will be hosting a 22-minute presentation talking about and demoing the Hero on 7/30. (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1155644230296981505)

Allegedly 4.0 is set to drop within the next week, which would make sense.  Joker didn't have any gameplay footage shown until the day before they released him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 29, 2019, 05:56:01 am
https://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-version-4-0-0-coming-within-the-next-week/

Ooh boy!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 30, 2019, 04:37:07 pm
Holding out for the Hero ‘til the end of July.



He’s like Robin with a shit-ton of RNG elements.  Looks fun to me, competitive scene’s probably gonna throw a fit.

I’m so happy that War Cry and and Marching Through the Fields from Dragon Quest VIII are in the music selection.  Those tunes hit all the right nostalgia notes with me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 30, 2019, 05:51:17 pm
There's a song named "leona's theme"  I am quite positive that's not the name because Leona is a dai no daibouken character and the song existed since the first dragon quest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on July 30, 2019, 09:40:17 pm
damn his recovery looks great (if you have the MP)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 30, 2019, 09:48:31 pm
yes online tournament is here, shared content will receive an update, etc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on July 30, 2019, 10:35:18 pm
Holy crap competitive is having kittens! I love how RNG he is with his moveset, and it makes him fresh and stand out compared to the other swordfighters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ZimKoraku on July 30, 2019, 11:29:22 pm
I like how they got Noboyuki Hiyama on board to voice Erdrick. I can imagine him with Viral's sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 30, 2019, 11:45:50 pm
I'm amused by how he made a point to mention that they made extra effort to make all of the animations look energetic and powerful and flashy because they all look like DBZ characters.  Drink it in Goku fans, this is the most you'll ever get.

Oh, and also the music.  "I felt it would be unfortunate to have only one or two songs."  Get dunked on, Cloud.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 31, 2019, 03:08:12 am
Whoo!!! I'm downloading it it now!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 31, 2019, 04:30:41 am
Oh, and also the music.  "I felt it would be unfortunate to have only one or two songs."  Get dunked on, Cloud.

Only to realise they're all the gimped MIDI renditions and there's no remixes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 31, 2019, 04:48:41 am
Well, you can blame that on Koichi Sugiyama being a top-tier thundercunt.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 31, 2019, 04:49:51 am
Which especially sucks because we heard the orchestral versions in the reveal trailer.

On that note, imagine not having the DQ main theme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 01, 2019, 12:20:07 am
There's a song named "leona's theme"  I am quite positive that's not the name because Leona is a dai no daibouken character and the song existed since the first dragon quest.

Well, I found out the nameof the song, it's the throne room song.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTOAkira on September 01, 2019, 08:43:24 pm
Next DLC will be from SNK
https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1168229725061255168
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/DLC/Challenger-Pack-4-1519368.html
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on September 01, 2019, 08:53:29 pm
IT'S FINALLY TIME FOR...

MARCO!!!
(http://www.game-art-hq.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Marco-Rossi-Metal-Slug-Official-Game-Art-Render.png)


(how I wish... probably gonna be a KoF rep, which will be cool too.)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: hatter on September 01, 2019, 08:54:08 pm
I'm guessing its either a SamSho rep (Haohmaru most likely considering he also is slated to be in SC6), or a KoF rep (I'm thinking either Kyo or Terry Bogard), but it's probably going to be the former bc of the new game being on the Switch.

Regardless, that's awesome news.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTOAkira on September 01, 2019, 08:55:57 pm
Yeah with SamSho coming to switch its probably going to be Haohmaru or Nakoruru
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: hatter on September 01, 2019, 08:59:35 pm
Ah yeah, I forgot about Nakoruru. I think her moveset would be interesting to translate into Smash mechanics,  what with her being accompanied by Mamaha.

Maybe they'll throw a bone and have another SNK char as an assist trophy, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 01, 2019, 09:21:36 pm
First Nintendo accidentally leaks Simon with music uploads.  Then they leak Hero by leaving the Brave/Yuusha data in the game.  Now they're leaking the 4th DLC fighter with a copyright.  Watertight as a sieve, these guys are.

If it's SNK, Terry Bogard would be cool, but I'd want to see a Metal Slug rep more than anything else.  Haohmaru or Nakoruru seem potentially likely with Samsho and all, but I feel like Joker and Banjo & Kazooie would poke a hole in the theory that DLC characters are chosen based on upcoming major releases.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on September 01, 2019, 09:40:50 pm
Smash is staying true to its "Everyone's here" slogan. SNK was never listed as one of the companies initially.

Spoiler: Character confusion (click to see content)

We have to make a list of video game companies that yet to appear in Smash, not necessarily the titles. For example, Mortal Kombat was once by Midway, but after their bankruptcy, the franchise and its IPs were bought out and now owned by NetherRealm Studios, a division of Warner Bros. If they make it, Warner will be the first ever non-video game company to be in the copyrights listing for Smash.

Killer Instinct is by Rare; I think they get in because of their ties to Nintendo.

We haven't officially seen a Tekken rep, despite a Heihachi Mii costume.

Spoiler: Another rumored entry (click to see content)

Any other companies I'm missing?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 01, 2019, 09:51:10 pm
for years i've been begging for an snk character to be in smash, so we'll see whatever that leak that has been accidentally revealed is true or not
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 01, 2019, 11:52:43 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDaGjCTXkAII8F9?format=png&name=small)
https://mobile.twitter.com/DreaminErryDay/status/1168269096758206464/photo/1

I'm ok with this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 02, 2019, 01:03:43 am
The page got torn down already, so yeah.  Someone done fucked up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 02, 2019, 01:48:47 am
well so much for that, now i can still hope for hayabusa to be in

next time snk, next time
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 02, 2019, 01:57:56 am
I think Marco might not be a bad idea for Smash. Wasn't Metal Slug part of the plan for the revived SNK?

What better way for the series to get back into the spotlight then it's main hero in Ultimate?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 02, 2019, 02:05:33 am
^ I'm imagining a Metal Slug stage with Mars People flying around and POWs that give you items and it's all I want for Smash now.

well so much for that, now i can still hope for hayabusa to be in

next time snk, next time

No, it got torn down as in "they accidentally revealed information they shouldn't have and had to scramble to cover it up."  It's almost 100% guaranteed to be an SNK character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 02, 2019, 02:08:39 am
Wouldn't taking it down promptly imply more that it was leaking something related to Smash?  Unless someone can find the copyright popping up for something new somewhere else unrelated to Smash but still for the Switch.

I really like Nakoruru, but with both the SamSho revival and Haohmaru in Soul Calibur, I'd rather something else get the chance to shine in Smash.  Would rather Kyo, Terry or Marco more than Nakoruru, despite liking her better.  But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.  Wouldn't mind if it was a red herring after all and it ends up being Ryu Hayabusa.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 02, 2019, 02:15:25 am
^ I'm imagining a Metal Slug stage with Mars People flying around and POWs that give you items and it's all I want for Smash now.

well so much for that, now i can still hope for hayabusa to be in

next time snk, next time

No, it got torn down as in "they accidentally revealed information they shouldn't have and had to scramble to cover it up."  It's almost 100% guaranteed to be an SNK character.

sorry about that carry on
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 02, 2019, 03:05:36 pm
It can still happen though but my best bet is that Marco would be our SNK rep. He can use weapons like Snake but give him the Drop Shot, Iron Lizard and Zantetsu Sword for his specials and let him call in Tarma, Eri and Fio with their Metal Slugs for the Final Smash. Something similar to the Star Fox fighters' Final Smash. I can see the Mars People and the Rebels (especially General Morden) making cameo appearances in a Metal Slug stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 02, 2019, 04:14:08 pm
Imagine all the people who whine about Belmont projectile spam having to put up with actual bullet hell mechanics from a Metal Slug character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 02, 2019, 04:15:30 pm
Imagine all the people who whine about Belmont projectile spam having to put up with actual bullet hell mechanics from a Metal Slug character.

Better yet, the actual weapons from Metal Slug... mostly because I want to hear "ROCKIT LAWN CHAIR" because it's so funny.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 02, 2019, 04:51:02 pm
The rumour mill said that a mecha was mentioned, which means either cyberbots or yes, metal slug. but same rumour mill says that athena (not the kof one) is pretty much confirmed as they found psycho soldiers musical references.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 02, 2019, 06:58:12 pm
Okay, so just to throw a wet blanket on all this speculation, it's come to light that  this may actually just be a big mix-up. (https://nintendosoup.com/super-smash-bros-ultimates-next-dlc-fighter-is-a-snk-character/) It's been found out that the copyright, as well as other details like the file size, are identical to the ones found on the DLC page for SNK Heroines on the same site.  It's possible that whoever was putting together the page for the 4th fighter pass character just copypasted the legalese from another page and forgot to fix the copyright.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 03, 2019, 02:29:10 am
Got a buddy of mine in a chat I go to that's been spoiling me.
According to him Terry and Hayabusa are the last two.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Hero on September 03, 2019, 02:47:33 am
I thought there was only 1 character remaining.

I was thinking mars people as a character. It could be cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on September 03, 2019, 02:49:47 am
Got a buddy of mine in a chat I go to that's been spoiling me.
According to him Terry and Hayabusa are the last two.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/cyv8om/sabi_with_the_way_things_are_sounding_from_what/
Long story short, Sabi, a credible leaker who has correctly leaked several E3, EVO, and IndieWorld reveals (to the point of getting a C&D from Nintendo), believes Terry to be the 4th character.

This coincides with a supposed other leak that claimed the 4th and 5th characters are Terry and Ryu Hayabusa (Where no other leaks have talked about Terry at all).  Sabi doesn't seem to have any comments on the 5th character other than 'speculation will get interesting'.

I thought there was only 1 character remaining.

I was thinking mars people as a character. It could be cool.

Character 4 and 5 are still missing.  Piranha Plant isn't part of the 5 characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 03, 2019, 03:39:10 am
Despite being another Fighting Game rep, I can see Terry working well.  Pressing AB for MAX Mode with his own meter gauge and access to Supercancels would give some variety to his gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on September 03, 2019, 04:06:40 am
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77982719

its begun

https://twitter.com/TerrySucks
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 03, 2019, 04:08:39 am
Seem like pretty good choices, its good that SNK and their characters are getting lots of attention these days, so, even though Terry is far from my favourite among those characters, I'm glad he is included. About Ryu, I have only one thing to say: if he can wear only underwear in DOA and Shulk can wear only underwear in Smash, then he better have an underwear alt in Smash as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 03, 2019, 04:23:32 am
OK!
(https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters4/terry-hattoss-win.gif)

(seriously though this owns)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on September 03, 2019, 11:35:22 am
I like Terry, he has a cool moveset that could easily be translated to Smash.

...But you guys seriously prefer him over the mothafukin METAL SLUG squad? :[
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Thedge on September 03, 2019, 12:17:56 pm
Being a fan of Fatal Fury since FF2, I seriously do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 03, 2019, 02:29:15 pm
I like Terry, he has a cool moveset that could easily be translated to Smash.

...But you guys seriously prefer him over the mothafukin METAL SLUG squad? :[
Yes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on September 03, 2019, 02:29:18 pm
No, I don't. Metal Slug has the best pixel art in video game history. What do you guys want from MS, a sentient tank or Mars People or something?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 03, 2019, 06:51:54 pm
Metal Slug would be objectively more unique and aesthetically and mechanically interesting, but there’s no denying that Terry Bogard is SNK’s biggest star by a pretty significant margin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 03, 2019, 07:39:30 pm
Even athena would be pretty, as she uses multiple weapons and forms; so somethign like her svc version but nintenod can easily go crazier than that for smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 03, 2019, 07:48:01 pm
Even athena would be pretty, as she uses multiple weapons and forms; so somethign like her svc version but nintenod can easily go crazier than that for smash.
SvC Athena, the Goddess, is a different character from Athena Asamiya from KoF.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Thedge on September 03, 2019, 08:24:00 pm
The same way Link from ALttP is a different character than Link from OoT.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on September 03, 2019, 08:57:47 pm
Metal Slug would be objectively more unique and aesthetically and mechanically interesting, but there’s no denying that Terry Bogard is SNK’s biggest star by a pretty significant margin.

Nakoruru is their biggest star and money maker. She's often in the top in Japanese polls for popular female video game characters and she has multiple spinoffs and countless guest appearances in multiple media.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 03, 2019, 09:08:01 pm
Even athena would be pretty, as she uses multiple weapons and forms; so somethign like her svc version but nintenod can easily go crazier than that for smash.
SvC Athena, the Goddess, is a different character from Athena Asamiya from KoF.
nobody ever said athen from kof.

anyway terry trailer leaked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk0kufx74Io&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKfp5BF-BGM
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on September 03, 2019, 10:07:53 pm
The same way Link from ALttP is a different character than Link from OoT.
And Dr. Mario is a different character than Mario.


anyway terry trailer leaked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk0kufx74Io&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKfp5BF-BGM

Well, looks like that's really it... :T

High-quality version: https://youtu.be/-sNjvY580ZE
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on September 03, 2019, 10:34:41 pm
Did I miss something?
What's with that SNK rep chit chat?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 03, 2019, 10:44:00 pm
All aboard the Terry hype train!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkpR03HQeTA

Nakoruru is their biggest star and money maker. She's often in the top in Japanese polls for popular female video game characters and she has multiple spinoffs and countless guest appearances in multiple media.
The most recent poll I saw was from 2018, and had Terry at the top and Nakoruru close behind at #3. Geese was at #2 but I gotta imagine his (at the time recent) appearance in Tekken 7 was boosting him up, and that now Nakoruru is probably at #2, especially given the recent Samurai Shodown game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Rai Tei on September 03, 2019, 10:54:41 pm
Ok, I lol'ed hard xD


But why does everyone consider Terry to be poster boy of SNK instead of Kyo?
He's been on the cover of most KoF and vs games, if not all?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 03, 2019, 11:28:19 pm
Ok, I lol'ed hard xD


But why does everyone consider Terry to be poster boy of SNK instead of Kyo?
He's been on the cover of most KoF and vs games, if not all?

Probably the fact that Fatal Fury came first and King of Fighters was just to bring in all of their fighting games into one continuity. Even though Kyo has his place, Terry will always get the recognition. That and Fatal Fury did come out for the SNES, but it doesn't matter at this point.

Edit: Either we getting an SNK rep, or this might be one big red herring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 04, 2019, 12:18:31 am
The same way Link from ALttP is a different character than Link from OoT.
Reincarnation and ancestry are different things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 04, 2019, 01:23:52 am
Sure, but e was talking about the version of Athena from the nintendo game Athena

Which is the same as the SvC goddess Athena

Also I'm firmly behind that if not Terry, I used to love that damn game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Rai Tei on September 04, 2019, 02:13:30 am
I was thinking Athena too, tbh.

Edit: Either we getting an SNK rep, or this might be one big red herring.

Nintendo's page for that DLC is saying SNK.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2019, 12:12:07 am
Terry confirmed.



Banjo & Kazooie are out today.

More DLC beyond the fighters pass confirmed.

Hells yes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 2Dee4ever on September 05, 2019, 12:13:43 am
Best trailer I've ever seen for this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 05, 2019, 12:19:35 am
You are cordially invited to smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on September 05, 2019, 12:43:39 am
(https://i.imgur.com/FzBEWL3.gif)

Okay......


(the trailer was pretty funny, honestly)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on September 05, 2019, 12:50:04 am
Terry confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63h_-T1vDNc[/youtube]

Banjo & Kazooie are out today.

More DLC beyond the fighters pass confirmed.

Hells yes.

This the closest to thing we will get to Capcom vs Snk 3. Let that sink in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Yuko on September 05, 2019, 12:52:45 am
Smash is officially MUGEN now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2019, 12:57:25 am
Home Run Contest confirmed to return in 5.0, with multiplayer functionality.

:EDIT: THEY ACTUALLY PUT SANS UNDERTALE IN SMASH WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 05, 2019, 01:04:19 am
Friggin Sans.  :shifty:

Well, I could care less about Terry, but I'm glad to know we ain't got only one mystery fighter left. Lookin forward to seeing the buffs and nerfs in v5.0
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CarmenRider on September 05, 2019, 01:08:00 am
Smash is officially MUGEN now.

Wasn't that the plan?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on September 05, 2019, 01:10:41 am
So sakurai was awkwardly promoting xbox today

Sans is in smash

Geese died by trying to get a letter

Today is fucking weird.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 05, 2019, 01:14:10 am
That's cuz Toby Fox met Sakurai in person... seems that Fox defeated Sakurai at his own game too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CarmenRider on September 05, 2019, 01:23:58 am
I was gonna make an edgy joke but... considering MFFA is down i rather not risk my account
EDIT: Didnt mean to quote oops
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 05, 2019, 01:32:59 am
omg terry bogard from fatal fury will come on my birthmonth, the stage is a king of fighters stadium, further dlc fighters will be released after the fighters pass, sakurai is awesome in so many ways, etc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on September 05, 2019, 01:33:12 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDqAoy7VUAA6Qcv?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

OK! We got Buff Terry! WOOOO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Ex☆Cham on September 05, 2019, 01:38:37 am
Its weird to see Terry at this resolution, hes pretty.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CarmenRider on September 05, 2019, 01:45:08 am
Its weird to see Terry at this resolution, hes pretty.

That's what's so good about Smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GalFord on September 05, 2019, 02:57:10 am
Also... Amiibo Terry? Yes please!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2019, 03:26:31 am
That reveal trailer was absolutely wonderful; had tears in my eyes.

the only bad thing anyone could possibly complain about all this is that Terry's still got that lame new VA from KOFXIV because SNK recast almost everyone for no reason. No one can live up to Satoshi Hashimoto!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 05, 2019, 03:31:28 am
I am a little disappointed that it's not Marco or someone else from Metal Slug... but, you know what? Getting Terry Bogard is probably the second best choice (First would of been, you know, Marco).

You're getting a KOF based stage. You know that Power Wave and Burn Knuckle are two of his specials (Rising Tackle is his Up+B, calling it). It's like that Nintendo wanted to make sure SNK fans were happy here.

Then you toss in a Mii Fighter outfit of Sans? With a remix to boot?? Nintendo just keeps hitting it out of the park.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on September 05, 2019, 06:56:55 am
Too bad we didn't get an Andy Bogard Echo Fighter but screw it, I'm cool with Terry he was one of the many characters I thought could never make it to Smash Bros Just like Ryu and Ken, but yet here they are. :D Also, anyone hoping they add some Capcom vs SNK music with Terry? Last thing I wanted to say was did anyone love the Goemon Mii costume? I thought that was great. :D

PS. I hope Terry get this as an Alt.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/TerryGarou.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Ash- on September 05, 2019, 09:13:55 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDqAoy7VUAA6Qcv?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

OK! We got Buff Terry! WOOOO

It still amazes me how well Nintendo models guest characters. And in some cases they look a lot better when compared to their recent games *stares at SFV and KoF XIV*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 05, 2019, 10:16:12 am
Also... Amiibo Terry? Yes please!!
Oh wow, I completely forgot Amiibos were a thing. I definitely have to consider this one when it's finally out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 05, 2019, 10:39:20 am
It's a beautiful day outside.

Terry is coming, Banjo-Kazooie are brawlin'

On days like these, kids like you.....

Should be playing some Smash.

(In all honesty, the trailer was amazing, Geese had me laughing at work for 30 minutes. XD)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2019, 12:33:28 pm
PS. I hope Terry get this as an Alt.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/TerryGarou.png

The real questions is whether Terry gets this (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/2/23/DjnGmymUwAAM5MW.png/revision/latest?cb=20181004163451&path-prefix=protagonist) as an alt.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 05, 2019, 01:53:43 pm
Too bad we didn't get an Andy Bogard Echo Fighter but screw it, I'm cool with Terry he was one of the many characters I thought could never make it to Smash Bros Just like Ryu and Ken, but yet here they are. :D Also, anyone hoping they add some Capcom vs SNK music with Terry? Last thing I wanted to say was did anyone love the Goemon Mii costume? I thought that was great. :D

PS. I hope Terry get this as an Alt.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/TerryGarou.png)
Echo fighters need to have a similar moveset. I think the only one who has a chance to be an echo of Terry is Rock Howard, but I'm not sure they'd add him.

PS. I hope Terry get this as an Alt.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/TerryGarou.png

The real questions is whether Terry gets this (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/2/23/DjnGmymUwAAM5MW.png/revision/latest?cb=20181004163451&path-prefix=protagonist) as an alt.
Most likely not, but they've surprised us before.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on September 05, 2019, 02:30:10 pm
why would andy get an echo when no other fighter is like him that much?

rock barely shares with terry outside of rising tackle and power dunk
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 05, 2019, 02:36:07 pm
 :yuno: :lfor: :flipout:

Terry and SNK in Smash?! That's a very pleasant surprise! I am very pleased!

On another note, I have been asked, as the resident fighting games nerd, about the differences between Fatal Fury / KoF and Street Fighter, since to normies they are the same. What is a good list that I can reference?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 05, 2019, 03:15:34 pm
One thing I find funny is that people went crazy because Sans is a Mii fighter that nobody cared about the other ones, like Zero.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Santtu on September 05, 2019, 03:30:32 pm
Terry confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63h_-T1vDNc[/youtube]

Banjo & Kazooie are out today.

More DLC beyond the fighters pass confirmed.

Hells yes.

This the closest to thing we will get to Capcom vs Snk 3. Let that sink in.
Geese vs GoukiAkuma in Tekken 7.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 05, 2019, 03:43:00 pm
Terry confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63h_-T1vDNc[/youtube]

Banjo & Kazooie are out today.

More DLC beyond the fighters pass confirmed.

Hells yes.

This the closest to thing we will get to Capcom vs Snk 3. Let that sink in.
Geese vs GoukiAkuma in Tekken 7.
This one has more Capcom characters: Ryu, Ken, Megaman...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 05, 2019, 04:05:19 pm
The real questions is whether Terry gets this (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/2/23/DjnGmymUwAAM5MW.png/revision/latest?cb=20181004163451&path-prefix=protagonist) as an alt.

Thanks to some fanart I found in pixiv 10 years ago, I'd rather get female terryin the garou outfit, so I can call her mama terry (because rock).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xenomic on September 05, 2019, 04:14:53 pm
So, after having used Banjo for about an hour last night, I think he's pretty well balanced. None of this moves seem to be THAT ridiculous (although his Wonder Wing (Side B) can be rough to deal with, at least it has its weaknesses), the most annoying probably being his FTilt and DTilt due to their ranges. But yeah, definitely a lot more balanced overall compared to Hero.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CarmenRider on September 05, 2019, 06:07:00 pm
One thing I find funny is that people went crazy because Sans is a Mii fighter that nobody cared about the other ones, like Zero.

I thought the Goemon and Team Rocket ones where nice, Zero is pretty good too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Rai Tei on September 05, 2019, 06:31:23 pm
That reveal trailer was absolutely wonderful; had tears in my eyes.

I had a huge grin the entire trailer and thereafter. Great tease and homage!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on September 05, 2019, 06:52:46 pm
jajajajaja OMG seriously? x'DD
https://nintendosoup.com/japanese-children-are-calling-terry-bogard-a-muscular-pokemon-trainer/?fbclid=IwAR0v63wX316tCdUBtZ-5adXVYLzJVRYnyVuvZiq9J5cVBDx9CtV6atERS9I
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Rai Tei on September 06, 2019, 01:02:39 am
(https://i.postimg.cc/7h2jVYgB/HC-protogen1-intro.png)

Heh, why not? lol
Sprite from the early prototype of Pokemon Red/Green.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on September 06, 2019, 07:27:19 pm
I think it will be one of the few occasions when they get excited about one of the Mii costumes xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 07, 2019, 12:38:06 am
So, my prediction list, because I just noticed I didn't suggest anyone until now:

  • Joker (Persona) - Confirmed before list
  • Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat) - Picking him over Scorpion, because I think he can have a much more interesting moveset with his freeze and constructs, also, I may not know everything about Smash balancing, but I'm pretty sure that a character whose signature attack brings the target close to you would be a weird choice in a game where you're supposed to knock people out of the arena
  • Solaire of Astora (Dark Souls) - People seem to have forgotten about about this suggestion, but I still love it. Yeah, I gave up on Dark Souls after losing patience in the middle of Dark Souls 2, but I still love the game and its premise, and it became a classic at this point, it would be a waste to not have a representant in Smash, and Solaire is iconic enough
  • Dr. Eggman (Sonic the Hedgehog) - It surprised me how this guy didn't make it to the Wii version itself, so I'm still surprised he is not in yet. Eggman is a classic videogame villain on the level of Bowser, yet we have yet to see him in the game. Yeah, he has a spirit in the game, but don't all playable characters have one? Its true he has less chances, but they can always surprise us again.
  • A generation VIII Pokémon (Pokémon) - Seems like a quite obvious choice, for me. They'll need to hype the next generation of Pokémon in the next year, and what a better thing to do than release one of them as a DLC for an already succesful fighting game crossover?

Other characters that I could see entering include (not in any particular order, also I'm aware some of those have spirits, but, again, we don't really know if spirits deconfirm characters, yet):
  • Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie)
  • Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
  • Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
  • Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)
  • Rash (Battletoads)
  • Geno (Super Mario RPG)
  • Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
  • A rabbid (Rayman)
  • Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
  • Shantae (Shantae)
  • Partner Eevee (Pokémon Let's Go, Eevee!)
Wow, checking this old list of mine, I got only ONE right, Banjo, and he was one of those I believed had less chances to appear. Not complaining, though. I considered updating this list, but I can't think of many possible additions to it right now...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 07, 2019, 12:52:26 am
Many of the choices listed are just impossible due to them appearing as spirits. Rash and Crash I can actually see as candidates for 2020 DLC. I do hope we get a Gen 8 Pokemon as a fighter in Smash.

I know my childhood favorite Pokemon, Feraligatr, may never see the light of day in Smash, but I have hopes one of my favorite Capcom characters make it in: June Lin Millam from Star Gladiator. Heck, I'd even take Hayato if June doesn't make the cut.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 07, 2019, 11:37:29 pm
Capcom's already got so much representation, though; three characters, two stages, and a cubic buttload of music.  Let someone else get in on the fun.

I said it before, but at this point the only thing that can be safely assumed is that nothing can be safely assumed.  Of the 5 DLC characters we've seen so far, 4 were left-field longshots that nobody was thinking about joining Smash, and the other was widely regarded as being impossible to get due to being owned by a rival platform.  Based on Sakurai's comments in that last direct, it seems like his direction this time is leaning towards trying to see as many different series represented in Smash Bros as possible this time around.  So if anything, the best we can guess is that future characters will be from franchises that aren't already present in the game.

Watch the 5th fighter pass somehow be Waluigi just to troll everybody, though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 08, 2019, 12:03:42 am
Wonder how far they can go to get further and further from Nintendo-related properties?  My wish would still be for Master Chief, but at least as far as this fighters pass goes that's a no-go, 343 themselves said they haven't had any talks about including anything Halo.  But yeah, if they're getting IPs that once were on Nintendo in some form but no longer are, the next step would be those truly console exclusive guys.  Like, I don't think Ratchet & Clank ever left the PlayStation line for any reason, that would also be a great addition for me personally pushing the boundaries of what they'd include.

I got a hunch that they're going to make Waluigi and save him for dead last.  No hard evidence or anything, just the demand for the meme character is there and Sakurai's surely heard those memes well, we got the Undertale skeleton after all.  Whenever Sakurai and his team are completely done with this Smash title and its DLC, they'll just drop him unceremoniously.  A perfect end cap to the game's lifespan.

I can't disagree with Capcom does have a bunch of representation as is....but I'd also be bold-face lying if I said I wouldn't want more.  Capcom went hand-in-hand with Nintendo as a kid.  I'd kill for Chun-li, M. Bison, X and Zero to show up proper.  And I'm sure others would want Dante or Phoenix Wright or the Monster Hunter, and I'd be fine with those too.  But I'm not holding my breath for any of that either.  I mean, we did just get Zero as a Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 08, 2019, 02:40:41 am
I'd actually be totally be on board with Waluigi if they just redesigned him as a WarioWare character.  It's not like Sakurai's never completely reimagined an existing character for Smash before.  If anyone can make Waluigi not suck, it's Sakurai.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 08, 2019, 05:23:48 am
Based on Sakurai's comments in that last direct, it seems like his direction this time is leaning towards trying to see as many different series represented in Smash Bros as possible this time around.  So if anything, the best we can guess is that future characters will be from franchises that aren't already present in the game.
Okay, so, assuming that this is what he actually meant and considering franchises that would be weird or "unexpected" (and ignoring Ryu Hayabusa, because he already seems to be the last one, right?):

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on September 08, 2019, 12:16:21 pm
  • Zhao Yun (Dynasty Warriors) - Okay, Dynasty Warriors isn't the most beloved franchise out there, but its definitely a well known name among hack'n'slash franchises, despite its many flaws. Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends - Definitive Edition was released not too long ago for Switch, and the franchise had games in Nintendo consoles before, so I think it has a fair chance of getting represented. And who is a better choice to represent it than the posterboy that does a lot of crazy impossible shit while fighting in the series' trailers and intros?
Well if they where going to pick someone from that series, I would assume Lu Bu over Zhao Yun. I feel like he is the face of Dynasty Warriors compared to Zhao Yun. I mean hell everyone of them that Koei makes (including Warriors Orochi, Musou Stars and any guest appearance.) has always giving him his own Theme to the game, so it makes sense to pick Lu Bu over Zhao Yun. IMO

Sora (Kingdom Hearts) - Now, now, I know that this is a Disney character, but Sora is a game character nonetheless and a really popular one at that. He also fits very well the colorful aesthetic of Smash and would look great among Nintendo characters, not to mention the many possible movesets.
It could happen, I would want to see Sora join smash but this is Disney and you know how they are when it come to business...
 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: -Ash- on September 08, 2019, 12:24:04 pm
I really, really want a Resident Evil character to be in, especially Leon, since I find weird that he is the most popular character from the series but has never shown up in a big crossover.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on September 09, 2019, 04:06:45 am
No more fad characters please, Sans already fills the fad games quota. Also please no meme characters.

I just want Jazz Jackrabbit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on September 09, 2019, 04:09:45 am
Literally who
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on September 09, 2019, 04:13:02 am
Literally wh-ah shit someone beat me to it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 09, 2019, 04:19:26 am
Jazz Jackrabbit ain't even number one on the incredibly niche list of green gun-toting rabbits
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on September 09, 2019, 04:25:35 am
Who's number one

Gun n Run rep with Bill Rizer (second Konami wouldn't hurt) and a beat em up rep with either Kunio or the Lee Brothers would be nice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 09, 2019, 04:30:29 am
No more fad characters please, Sans already fills the fad games quota. Also please no meme characters.

I just want Jazz Jackrabbit.

I think you found literally the only exception to the "any video game character is fair game" mentality of this DLC pack, and that's coming from someone who actually owned the Jazz Jackrabbit shareware floppy back in the day.  Nobody remembers Jazz Jackrabbit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 09, 2019, 04:45:32 am
Who's number one

Bucky, Captain Bucky O'Hare
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 09, 2019, 05:06:20 am
I like that I can not read that not in singsong.

If you're going for the super obscure characters, at least go for ones that are Nintendo exclusive like Marina Liteyears or something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 09, 2019, 05:21:41 am
No more fad characters please, Sans already fills the fad games quota. Also please no meme characters.

I just want Jazz Jackrabbit.
Undertale isn't a fad game. Also, a Rabbid is much more likely to be added than an obscure ugly rabbit that nobody remembers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 09, 2019, 06:29:24 am
Gun n Run rep with Bill Rizer (second Konami wouldn't hurt)
We have 3 Konami Fighters already. Since Namco is under-rep'd, I think either Stahn from Tales of Destiny or Yuri from Tales of Vesperia has a chance, the former for nostalgic reasons. Or even bring other Namco classic characters like Gilgamesh from Tower of Druaga, Bravoman or Taizo Hori from Dig Dug.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on September 09, 2019, 07:23:43 am
Oh yeah we already 2 don't we, forgot Snake was even part of that.
Bucky, Captain Bucky O'Hare
deadass thought they were the same character
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 09, 2019, 02:30:25 pm
Someone from Tekken or Soul Calibur could represent Namco, and I could see many characters doing that, but if we go for popularity and uniqueness, Ivy would be a great choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on September 09, 2019, 05:49:48 pm
For Namco I'd prefer Klonoa.

And if Konami gets another rep I'd prefer Sparkster.

I think you found literally the only exception to the "any video game character is fair game" mentality of this DLC pack, and that's coming from someone who actually owned the Jazz Jackrabbit shareware floppy back in the day.  Nobody remembers Jazz Jackrabbit.

I do. Also you people probably don't know, but Jazz Jackrabbit has a very active modding community. It sure is a niche game, but it isn't a totally obscure one.

Undertale isn't a fad game.

Except it is.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on September 09, 2019, 06:02:30 pm
A fad implies that it's popularity is temporary and forgotten about in a short amount of the time. Undertale is still massively popular and a sequel is literally in the works.

No it's not a damn fad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 09, 2019, 07:16:37 pm
A fad implies that it's popularity is temporary and forgotten about in a short amount of the time. Undertale is still massively popular and a sequel is literally in the works.

No it's not a damn fad.
Thank you. The game was released 4 fucking years ago, and its still crazy popular, there is no way in hell this is fad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on September 09, 2019, 07:25:00 pm
A couple other franchises that crossed my mind are Double Dragon and Bubble Bobble.

And Macaulyn, good call on Lara Croft - totally forgot about her.

HMK posted this yesterday: https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1170881404193902592

HMK said:
Based on character comments after Nintendo reveal more Character DLC*

Sora made into the #1 in NA and EU and #2 in Japan AND is the only character on all 3 lists...

Japan: Lloyd, Sora, Dante, Monster Hunter, Byleth, Arle Nadja, Gundam, Raiden*, Sephiroth, 2B
United States: Sora, Crash, Shantae*, Geno*, Steve, Doomslayer, Master Chief, Waluigi*, 2B, Bandana Dee*
United Kingdom: Sora, Steve, Crash, Rayman*, Doomslayer, Geno*, Heavy, Agumon(!), Dante, Jibanyan

* Currently a spirit
! Digimon started out a video game as part of the Tamagotchi craze, so they can qualify
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MAO11 on September 09, 2019, 07:31:32 pm
No more fad characters please, Sans already fills the fad games quota. Also please no meme characters.

I just want Jazz Jackrabbit.
Undertale isn't a fad game. Also, a Rabbid is much more likely to be added than an obscure ugly rabbit that nobody remembers.

it kinda is, i mean nobody is talking about the sequel.

a tales rep would be nice , probably a character from berseria or the upcoming one.  velvet would be good she's very unique especially we've got too many sword guys already. magilou would be nice too she'd fit right in. plus both her japanese and english VA are pretty good i wouldn't mind hearing her voice again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 09, 2019, 07:37:46 pm
No more fad characters please, Sans already fills the fad games quota. Also please no meme characters.

I just want Jazz Jackrabbit.
Undertale isn't a fad game. Also, a Rabbid is much more likely to be added than an obscure ugly rabbit that nobody remembers.

it kinda is, i mean nobody is talking about the sequel.
It was literally ALL that was talked about when it was released, and Undertale itself is still massively popular, regardless of Deltarune.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 09, 2019, 08:36:32 pm
A couple other franchises that crossed my mind are Double Dragon and Bubble Bobble.

And Macaulyn, good call on Lara Croft - totally forgot about her.

HMK posted this yesterday: https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1170881404193902592

HMK said:
Based on character comments after Nintendo reveal more Character DLC*

Sora made into the #1 in NA and EU and #2 in Japan AND is the only character on all 3 lists...

Japan: Lloyd, Sora, Dante, Monster Hunter, Byleth, Arle Nadja, Gundam, Raiden*, Sephiroth, 2B
United States: Sora, Crash, Shantae*, Geno*, Steve, Doomslayer, Master Chief, Waluigi*, 2B, Bandana Dee*
United Kingdom: Sora, Steve, Crash, Rayman*, Doomslayer, Geno*, Heavy, Agumon(!), Dante, Jibanyan

* Currently a spirit
! Digimon started out a video game as part of the Tamagotchi craze, so they can qualify
I would honestly be surprised if Sora gets in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on September 09, 2019, 10:36:35 pm

HMK said:
Based on character comments after Nintendo reveal more Character DLC*

Sora made into the #1 in NA and EU and #2 in Japan AND is the only character on all 3 lists...

Japan: Lloyd, Sora, Dante, Monster Hunter, Byleth, Arle Nadja, Gundam, Raiden*, Sephiroth, 2B

Japan has good taste. I would be cool with any of them and Lloyd was my number 1 most wanted in Smash.
I dont see him being part of fighter's pass 1 since they already went with 2 other RPG characters so I imagine he'd be a safe bet for one of the extras after Fighter's Pass 1. Worst case scenario they bring back the Mii costume at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Deadface on September 10, 2019, 02:24:09 am
All this talk of a run-'n-gun rep makes me think that it'd be great to see a Treasure franchise in there.
I remember a time when Sm4sh had polls, a ton of folks were pushing for Gunstar Red/Blue. That'd be pretty sick.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 10, 2019, 03:10:18 am
Wait, Gundam is in Japan's top picks?  Like, we're talking Mobile Suit Gundam, right, the RX-78-2 Gundam?  Surely that doesn't count if Goku doesn't despite the plethora of big Dragon Ball games over the years.

The only ones one those three lists I don't know are Jibanyan and Byleth.  And is the Heavy Weapons Guy really the face of Team Fortress?  I know he was picked for Valve's crossover poker game, but I always thought it was more the Scout or Spy, personally.  I'd be down for Heavy to be honest, though, that could be a lot of fun.

Though wait, Minecraft over Doom and Halo?  By popularity alone I don't think it was over Doom, and I was always under the impression people were accepting of it being the rep best suited for Microsoft as a whole over Halo, not wanted by demand.  That makes me raise an eyebrow if there's anything to this list.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2019, 04:45:20 am
Japan: Lloyd, Sora, Dante, Monster Hunter, Byleth, Arle Nadja, [bGundam[/b], Raiden*, Sephiroth, 2B
japan, you crazy

Wait, Gundam is in Japan's top picks?  Like, we're talking Mobile Suit Gundam, right, the RX-78-2 Gundam?  Surely that doesn't count if Goku doesn't despite the plethora of big Dragon Ball games over the years.
I don't think it was specified which Gundam that got voted for. The Twitter link showing the poll uses a picture of Nu Gundam, which is the most popular Gundam design in Japan, but I doubt the poll was voting for the Nu Gundam specifically.

I guess Gundam vaguely has a special relationship with Nintendo? But like, not that special? The second Gundam game ever, and the first ever to be released on a console, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam: Hot Scramble, came out on the NES in 1986. It had some pretty impressive (for the time) first person shooting action (and also some very bad third person platforming sections that were literally tacked on at the last minute when producers realized you'd otherwise spend the entire game without ever seeing the actual Zeta Gundam):

The game was famous enough to warrant a rerelease on the GBA as part of the NES Classic line, and also has a special Gunpla named after it (https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/BN-876%CE%B2_Hot_Scramble_Gundam) that was made for the 30th anniversary of the franchise and was including as a playable unit in one of the Gundam Versus games.

Now, obviously, that's not that big of a deal, all things considered. Not even I would say that it warrants an entry from Gundam in Smash, even if one doesn't take into account that for all the talk about Ridley being too big, fucking 20 meter tall robots are definitely way too fucking big to be in Smash!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Deadface on September 10, 2019, 04:50:55 am
If we get a Gundam rep somehow, no matter what series it's from, here's hoping that the stage is Side 7 just so it's at least consistent with the EXVS crowd lmao
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2019, 05:03:31 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEDWMOOVAAAe_Dt.jpg)
ok I take it all back, put a Gundam in Smash immediately (https://twitter.com/stupjam/status/1171171411005591552)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Rai Tei on September 12, 2019, 12:54:50 am

A couple other franchises that crossed my mind are Double Dragon and Bubble Bobble.

Aren't Bubblin and Bobblun the Double Dragon? lol j/k
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: QuickFist on September 13, 2019, 01:12:26 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEDWMOOVAAAe_Dt.jpg)
ok I take it all back, put a Gundam in Smash immediately (https://twitter.com/stupjam/status/1171171411005591552)

I need this right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2019, 03:38:58 pm
During an acceptance speech at the Japan Game Awards (https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2019/sep/13/making-super-smash-bros-ultimate-was-last-mission-iwata-gave-me-masahiro-sakurais-game-awards-speech-pays-tribute-late-nintendo-boss/), Sakurai had two very interesting things to say regarding Ultimate:

1) The reason he's been so dedicated to make Ultimate as big and as great as possible was because making Smash Bros for the Switch was the "last mission" he was given by Iwata, and he considers the game a tribute to his late friend.

2) He wants people to stop fucking asking him to put Goku in the game because he's not a video game character and it will never happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 14, 2019, 03:43:40 pm
2) He wants people to stop fucking asking him to put Goku in the game because he's not a video game character and it will never happen.
God bless his soul, I don't get why was this so hard to understand.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 16, 2019, 01:59:14 am
Finally..!! Now he said it, now everyone can lay off of him about Goku!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on September 16, 2019, 02:30:44 am
That ain't gonna stop em
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 16, 2019, 04:29:35 am
That ain't gonna stop em
It sure will reduce the number of people requesting that. Seriously, Smash never had a single character whose origin was not in a videogame (R.O.B. being the only exception, but even then, he was a video game acessory, despite not being a character), if they actually wanted to add random characters they would have done that a long time ago.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on September 16, 2019, 12:21:23 pm
Hopefully he can get some rest from Goku, Shrek, Spongebob and all of that cancer.

However, even tho most of us understand the easy prinsip of; "origin must come from a video game."
How about the Melee rumour, do you think James Bond was even considered? I know it's an old rumour, but with the old idea in mind, do you think it's safe to say that the rumour is debunked completley now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on September 16, 2019, 12:55:27 pm
I really wish to see Arle from Puyo Puyo series or Klonoa in Smash.
That's right. Especially Klonoa since he haven't got his recent games since 2001 (remake of Klonoa 1 doesn't count) which is very sad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 16, 2019, 02:57:51 pm
Klonoa could be a very safe bet since Namco has only one rep right now for Smash. I don't know if Klonoa has been on Nintendo consoles because I recall he was on the Playstation consoles. The last game I ever saw Klonoa from my memory was Namco X Capcom. If he was to get in Smash, they may use his VA from NxC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: hatter on September 16, 2019, 04:04:30 pm
I don't know if Klonoa has been on Nintendo consoles because I recall he was on the Playstation consoles. The last game I ever saw Klonoa from my memory was Namco X Capcom. If he was to get in Smash, they may use his VA from NxC.

Klonoa: Empire of Dreams for the GBA, and Klonoa for the Wii (which is just a remake of Door to Phantomile). There's also Dream Champ Tournament 2 and Densetsu no Star Medal for the GBA.

He also made cameos in Tales of Symphonia (Gamecube), Tales of Hearts (NDS) and Keroro RPG: Kishi to Musha to Densetsu no Kaizoku (also NDS). Klonoa as a possible NAMCO rep for Smash isn't too far off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Good_Wall533 on September 16, 2019, 04:25:46 pm
Wow, I'm surprised people even want Dante of all characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2019, 05:07:56 pm
That's...an odd choice to find odd.  Dante and Devil May Cry hasn't particularly hit any lows in popularity since its inception.  Bad points in the game's history with its second game and reboot, but always just around the top 5 Capcom game branches, showing up in cameos and crossovers all the time between games.  I'm not even a fan of the series and his inclusion would be a no-brainer minus the guns and gore, which ever since they added Joker (Or arguably Bayonetta's cartoon-ish high heel guns) is no longer an issue I guess.

How about the Melee rumour, do you think James Bond was even considered? I know it's an old rumour, but with the old idea in mind, do you think it's safe to say that the rumour is debunked completley now?
Well, the Goldeneye 64 bomb was an item to use in Smash 64, tounge-in-cheek referenced as such saying it came from a top secret origin, so clearly it was on the table at SOME point.  But understandable why it was retracted.  It wasn't even a video game specific James Bond made just for the game, a new one carrying the title, it was Pierce Brosnan recreating the movie.

A worthy replacement back then would have been Joanna Dark of Perfect Dark fame, especially being Goldeneye's spiritual successor in every way, but that's going to be even harder to get now that Banjo's already been picked as a Rare/Microsoft rep.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 16, 2019, 07:57:51 pm
Wow, I'm surprised people even want Dante of all characters.
I fail to see how anyone would be surprised by one of the most popular characters in gaming from a very popular franchise would be a popular pick among the playerbase.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Good_Wall533 on September 16, 2019, 09:17:14 pm
Don't get me wrong, DMC is one of my favorite franchises of all time and I get that Dante is one of the most popular characters in gaming but the reason i'm surprised is that there's like, tons of characters that people would really like to see in Ultimate and yet Dante manages to be in at the near top of many people's most wished characters. Which is why it was surprising for me and awesome too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 17, 2019, 02:06:47 am
If Dante gets in, the Project X Zone developers will really regret their decision even more to leave Bayonetta out because she was considered to be with Dante as a paired unit in Project X Zone 2 but she was ultimately dropped.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 17, 2019, 06:52:20 am
If Dante gets in, the Project X Zone developers will really regret their decision even more to leave Bayonetta out because she was considered to be with Dante as a paired unit in Project X Zone 2 but she was ultimately dropped.
They were idiots for doing that regardless of Dante being in this game, honestly.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on September 17, 2019, 07:03:27 am
If Dante gets in, the Project X Zone developers will really regret their decision even more to leave Bayonetta out because she was considered to be with Dante as a paired unit in Project X Zone 2 but she was ultimately dropped.
They were idiots for doing that regardless of Dante being in this game, honestly.
That wasn't PXZ's devs fault. It was Hideki Kamiya who disallowed it. It helps to do a little research before you make these judgements.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 17, 2019, 10:39:48 pm
I don't know if I recall correctly but Kamiya would give full support if Bayonetta was considered for a Project X Zone 3 if a third game will be made but the way PxZ2 ended, I don't think there'll be a third PxZ. Now speaking of PxZ, I hope Reiji or Xiaomu make it in and have a remixed version of Brave New World.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 17, 2019, 11:28:15 pm
If Dante gets in, the Project X Zone developers will really regret their decision even more to leave Bayonetta out because she was considered to be with Dante as a paired unit in Project X Zone 2 but she was ultimately dropped.
They were idiots for doing that regardless of Dante being in this game, honestly.
That wasn't PXZ's devs fault. It was Hideki Kamiya who disallowed it. It helps to do a little research before you make these judgements.
That doesn't make it any less stupid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on September 18, 2019, 02:50:49 am
If Dante gets in, the Project X Zone developers will really regret their decision even more to leave Bayonetta out because she was considered to be with Dante as a paired unit in Project X Zone 2 but she was ultimately dropped.
They were idiots for doing that regardless of Dante being in this game, honestly.
That wasn't PXZ's devs fault. It was Hideki Kamiya who disallowed it. It helps to do a little research before you make these judgements.
That doesn't make it any less stupid.

It isnt stupid.

He created the characters. He wants them to meet on his own terms. Capcom didnt want to be dicks so they obliged by his request.

Sorry he doesn't cater to your overeager fanboy requests i suppose
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on September 18, 2019, 06:11:48 am
If Dante gets in, the Project X Zone developers will really regret their decision even more to leave Bayonetta out because she was considered to be with Dante as a paired unit in Project X Zone 2 but she was ultimately dropped.
They were idiots for doing that regardless of Dante being in this game, honestly.
That wasn't PXZ's devs fault. It was Hideki Kamiya who disallowed it. It helps to do a little research before you make these judgements.
That doesn't make it any less stupid.
Yeah well if you think the devs were idiots for not being able to put someone else's IP in the game after they said no, that sounds like a personal problem.

Take off the edgelord blinders for one second.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Berry on September 18, 2019, 06:14:55 am
he's not being edgy, he's being a goober
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on September 18, 2019, 06:18:47 am
he's not being edgy, he's being a goober
that much has been apparent from the start

however its an established shtick of his to go into popular fighting game threads and post this sort of uninformed nonsense on game design, and then call everyone idiots for not agreeing with his point of view
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 18, 2019, 06:38:05 am
If the whole "Kamiya doesn't wanna" reason is true, its stupid, because Bayonetta was more obscure than she deserved already, being such a cool character, there is no reason for the him to exclude her from a crossover, and if said reason isn't true, then the game's creators are too dumb to keep her out. I've seen no confirmation that Hideki Kamiya was the one thing on the way, though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on September 18, 2019, 06:44:11 am
If the whole "Kamiya doesn't wanna" reason is true, its stupid, because Bayonetta was more obscure than she deserved already, being such a cool character, there is no reason for the him to exclude her from a crossover, and if said reason isn't true, then the game's creators are too dumb to keep her out. I've seen no confirmation that Hideki Kamiya was the one thing on the way, though.
https://twinfinite.net/2016/02/project-x-zone-2-almost-had-bayonetta-which-kamiya-now-regrets-new-messages/

literally what the hell is keeping you from googling this yourself?

its true, and he wanted it to happen on his own terms, which he ofc now regrets. im not sure why you persist in saying things that are just flat out wrong, and say "youve seen no confirmation" when I found this in a minute.

as for why he would exclude her from a crossover at the time, maybe its, i dont know, having no real creative control over a game developed by an entirely different company ???
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on September 19, 2019, 08:06:54 am
At this point calling people idiots and not doing research is almost like a habit for him

I hope this doesn't become his next thread where he starts doing this stuff long-term like in the SFV thread lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 19, 2019, 10:17:52 am
And at this point, there's no need to antagonize him after a full day of a lull in the thread. The horse is dead, let's not beat it any further.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 24, 2019, 03:30:02 am
Well, the Goldeneye 64 bomb was an item to use in Smash 64, tounge-in-cheek referenced as such saying it came from a top secret origin, so clearly it was on the table at SOME point.  But understandable why it was retracted.  It wasn't even a video game specific James Bond made just for the game, a new one carrying the title, it was Pierce Brosnan recreating the movie.
That really gets into the heart of why Bond would be an odd fit: Bond, the character, doesn't really have a super strong connection to Nintendo, nor even the video game industry. It's just that a game based on a Bond movie happened to be an hugely important step forward for console FPSes, and it happened on a Nintendo console. If there was some way to make a character specifically of the game Goldeneye and divorce it from the character of James Bond, and of the Bond franchise, then that would probably fit pretty well in Smash. But alas, that's just a nonsensical idea. You can't make a character out of like, a social phenomenon surrounding a game. It'd have to be Bond himself, and that's wouldn't work either!

NEVERTHELESS! My brain is broken and immediately started thinking about what Bond would look like in Smash. I will thus present a BASIC CHARACTER CONCEPT/MOVELIST for one Commander James Bond, CMG, RNVR; Agent 007 for MI6:

neutral special: Quip
This opens up a menu like Hero's down special, allowing the player to build their very own Bond One Liner. The player has to pick between 4 options, each one half of a quip, and then after selecting the first half, they must again pick between 4 second-halves. For example, opening up the menu will first display the left menu only, and upon selecting an option, the right menu will then pop up (with the left one still remaining on screen):
(https://i.imgur.com/iBNzjRr.png)
the valid quip-half pairs in this instance (randomly chosen from dozens of possible one liners, whenever the menu is brought up) are: "And here I thought they were a cunning linguist", "Shocking, positively shocking", "I think they got the point", and "They always did have an inflated opinion of themself."

1 of those completed, valid One Liners will be a "correct" quip, and is based on the specific circumstances that are occurring or have just occurred in the course of gameplay, while the other 3 will be chosen randomly from a long list of one liners, as incorrect choices. Picking the correct quip will provide Bond with several buffs, including increased defense, increased resistance to being launched, increased attack power and range, etc. (nothing too major, of course), all of which can be stacked (to a certain limit) and persists until he loses a stock. The player will need to correctly pick out the appropriate one liner based on the situation (e.g, after an opponent has been hit by or KO'd via an electrical attack, the correct quip would be "Shocking. Positively shocking", whereas if the attack was from the Drill Arm item or something similar, the quip would be "I think they got the point."). Given the time it takes to navigate the menu, this move is best used after KO'ing someone, but it'll work whenever, as long as the correct option is selected. Picking a quip doesn't apply to the situation (but was nonetheless formed correctly from the respective matching half-quips) does nothing; a malformed quip made from a mismatching pair (like, say, "I think they got positively shocking"), however, will drop Bond down a level in his buffs, and will start negatively affecting his stats if he has no buffs left!

side special: PPK
Of course Bond would have his famous gun as a special! Just common sense! So yeah, it's a projectile, duh. Why is it a side special instead of a neutral special? Because I said so. It's a pretty powerful projectile, but he's only got 7 shots. A successful Quip will instantly reload it, though: just like in his movies, a suave and expert quip master of a Bond needn't worry too much about his ammo count.

up special: Jetpack
Sometimes the most obvious choice is the best choice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ON_xbwuqs). Extremely limited horizontal movement, but sends him decently high vertically. Perhaps he could then deploy the iconic UK flag parachute (https://youtu.be/j8Uz3IuYDh4?t=182) and greatly slow his fall until he lands (or falls off the edge of the screen), but maybe that's just gilding the lily. And/or potentially gamebreaking. But it would be cool, so.

down special: Proximity Mine
Gotta pay dues to Goldeneye and bring back the original Motion-Sensor Bomb. Works pretty much like Snake's down special (i.e., can remotely detonate it), but will also detonate if an opponent gets close to it. I guess it shouldn't do as much damage as Snake's because of this property!

Final Smash: Gunbarrel
Bond throws an mighty punch, launching any opponents hit by it into a grungy bathroom, where Bond slams them into various sinks and mirrors (https://youtu.be/UFcVPY9ulO8?t=121). Then, as they recover, the iconic Gunbarrel sequence that's in every Bond movie happens and Bond shoots them. Obviously this has got to be in there, and using the Casino Royale variant, where it's actually part of the narrative (https://youtu.be/UFcVPY9ulO8?t=187), just makes sense.

I dont feel like trying to bullshit every other attack, throw, taunts, smash attacks, etc. Just rest assured that there'd be tons of references to all sorts of gadgets and such that you'd want to see, like maybe an attack could involve one of his watches, like the one with a small circular saw in it, or the one that has a laser. Or he could have a tether recovery, using his rappelling belt gadget. Give him a Moonraker laser as a forward smash attack, or something. And maybe all 3 of his taunts could him be drinking different varieties of alcohol (a Vesper martini, a Heineken because that's the beer that's paying to be in Bond movies right now, etc.). And obviously, his up throw should be him forcing the opponent to swallow a compressed gas pellet, so that there's a Kanaga balloon for everyone. (https://youtu.be/CBncb56Z_xI?t=36)

wow i wasted way too much time on this
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 24, 2019, 04:16:58 am
Well.  I will admit, I had not ever considered condensing games of "Oh...Sir!" into special attacks for fighting game characters, but here we are.  But how did you manage that entire character breakdown and not once mention the karate chop?  It obviously must be the mandatory neutral A attack.

That said, something you said did give me an idea once Sakurai and team run out of steam on actual characters.
You can't make a character out of like, a social phenomenon surrounding a game. It'd have to be Bond himself, and that's wouldn't work either!
Well then, in the vein of R.O.B., why not the N64 cartage itself?  Less catchy a name, but Nintendo sure put a lot of faith into that design, just give it the Banjo-Kazooie treatement of a pair of googly eyes.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/banjokazooie/images/2/24/Game_Pak.png/revision/latest?cb=20080527024205)
Then just give it some basic moves referencing important N64 games like Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, etc.

...I don't know why I'm trying to out-ridiculous you, I apologize.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 24, 2019, 05:12:43 am
Quips are incredibly vital part of the Bond canon, even in the most serious of them, he'll drop at least one of em! It just wouldn't make sense to give him a moveset that doesn't reflect this!!! :yeses:

But how did you manage that entire character breakdown and not once mention the karate chop?  It obviously must be the mandatory neutral A attack.
Well, obviously! So obvious that I didn't need to mention it, nor did I even think of it!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 24, 2019, 12:26:40 am
A Tetris 99 event (https://www.destructoid.com/tetris-99-is-invading-smash-ultimate-in-spirit-form-and-orange-ricky-hero-and-smashboy-are-in-570305.phtml) is coming this week with a bevy of Tetris block spirits, causing some people to actually become upset that Tetris blocks are not being made into playable characters.  Because I guess some people actually wanted that.  For some reason. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 24, 2019, 12:49:12 am
People want the character, but cannot think of any realistic way to put them in the game.

"Put Skull Kid in! He could bring the Moon down in his Final Smash!"
"OK, but what else?"
"Uh... He could...bring the...Moon down? IDK, Sakurai will think of something."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 24, 2019, 05:25:26 am
People want the character, but cannot think of any realistic way to put them in the game.

"Put Skull Kid in! He could bring the Moon down in his Final Smash!"
"OK, but what else?"
"Uh... He could...bring the...Moon down? IDK, Sakurai will think of something."
Its not up to the playerbase to create a moveset for anyone. Like, seriously, Nintendo has already shown that they can create movesets for non-fighters like Villager and Mr. Game & Watch (a character that was created for Smash itself to represent an entire gallery of "games", its literally a bunch of constantly transforming sprites), yet somehow, when it comes to a character with actual powers, and that was seen fighting in another game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5TML2f05s0), its up to the playerbase to create anything? You must be joking. If you cannot imagine a full moveset for the Skull Kid or anyone else, don't worry, you don't have to, there are people who are paid to do that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 24, 2019, 11:49:35 am
Nintendo doesn't make the movesets, Sakurai does, as implied by some of his Famitsu columns; yeah he obviously has back-and-forth conversations with the IP holders to make sure the characters are represented in a way they approve of, but it's otherwise one guy coming up with this stuff. Villager was actually excluded from Brawl because Sakurai couldn't think of a way to make the peaceful, non-violent Villager work in Smash's environment, but even to that end, the character we got in Smash 4 has very little that's completely made up, as almost everything he attacks with are tools or belongings from his games, whereas Skull Kid doesn't actually do a whole lot in MM that you could work with without doing what HW did and making an almost entirely new moveset based around dark magic and trickery, which seems more effort than its worth and is likely why he was relegated to an Assist Trophy yet again.

Mr. Game & Watch serves as an homage to the Game and Watch, so he's got an entire game library to pull from; hardly having to come up with something completely original, is it?

Point is, they're more likely to put someone in the game if there's something they can work with, especially if it's a 3rd party character; making up a couple of moves or taking creative liberties is completely different from thinking up an entirely new moveset from scratch, so no, none of the FNAF protagonists are getting in :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on October 24, 2019, 12:11:37 pm
Just to provide a counterpoint, if they could do it with Captain Falcon and Fox, I think they're still capable of coming up with some entirely new movesets. I mostly agree with you that its more trouble than its worth but its not unheard of.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DoomBowser on October 24, 2019, 01:31:55 pm
Just to provide a counterpoint, if they could do it with Captain Falcon...
A lot of Captain Falcon's moveset is carried over from Dragon King, the game Smash Bros. was going to be before it became...well, Smash Bros; after all, I doubt Sakurai would have wanted the time spent on developing Dragon King to go completely down the plughole, so he probably took what existing assets they had and applied them to one of Nintendo's human(oid) characters, which could mean that both Fox and Samus also take assets from it.

One thing I've noticed with Ultimate is that Sakurai hasn't been as inventive with movesets compared to previous Smash games, because there's a lot of re-used Normals flying around (particularly amongst the DLC characters) and even a few of the unique moves seem to be inspired by another character or don't exactly diverge too greatly from their source inspiration (a lot of the Belmonts' moves seem to boil down to "throw whip in X direction", which barely differs from source and not exactly diverse), so I wouldn't go expecting any character that has a super unique made-up moveset with this info in mind.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 25, 2019, 12:30:22 am
In one instance, I can safely assume Fox's infinite jabs came from Chun-Li as well as his Fair.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on October 25, 2019, 02:18:11 am
Well... not EVERY move or animation a character has NEEDS to reference something from their original games. If they need to make up something to make the character fit into the game a little more, that's perfectly fine. There's tons of "made up" stuff in Smash since the beginning (Captain Falcon is the most obvious).

Also, there's nothing inherently wrong with wanting a character, but not coming up with a fully detailed moveset. A lot of Smash fans just don't get that for some reason, lol. Like, I want Chell from Portal for example, but I don't really know how the hell they can implement a balanced portal mechanic. I just think it would be neat to see Portal content in Smash, is that really too much to ask? I guess coming up with a moveset "helps your case" when convincing others that your character is worth a damn, but at the end of the day, Sakurai has the final say (even if Nintendo provides him with a list to choose from with the DLC nowadays...). Aside from that one time they held the Ballot, our "cases" don't really mean much in the long run.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 02, 2019, 01:31:56 am
The Smash Bros site changed Terry's release to Coming Soon. A private video was uploaded to the Smash YT page. There's a mantainance happening next week.

All signs are pointing to Terry dropping in the middle of next week.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 04, 2019, 01:31:08 pm
Spoiler: Potential leak (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 04, 2019, 02:28:42 pm
Spoiler: Potential leak (click to see content)
I don't think I need to put this on spoiler, I hope a mod changes this if they think its necessary, but the thing is, I don't think this supposed leak is an indicator of anything. Just because a character of a franchise is in the game as a Mii costume, doesn't mean another character of the same franchise will be a full fighter DLC. Sans is a proof of that, nobody from Undertale is playable in Smash, yet he is a Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 04, 2019, 07:43:32 pm
Yea, I also fail to see how those costumes mean potential playables. There's been other costumes from series that don't have a playable character.

Besides, of all the wishlists I've heard of, I find Geno to be one of the worst choices of them all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on November 04, 2019, 08:14:09 pm
Besides, of all the wishlists I've heard of, I find Geno to be one of the worst choices of them all.
Geno is overrated anyways (Aside from Waluigi who is also pretty much overrated), I pretty much prefer Doom Slayer any day
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on November 04, 2019, 10:28:30 pm
outfits from franchises or games not represented in smash are their main or most popular character. chibi robo has a chibi robo outfit, undertale has sans, goemon has goemon, golden sun has isaac, panel de pon has lip, murasame castle has takamaru.

what the leak is alluding to is that doom would be better represented by a doomslayer helmet, or that mario rpg would be better represented by geno, but they're not mii outfits because they're playable characters instead.

of course there's the possibility that the leaker just didn't show the geno and doomslayer mii outfits, or that someone figured out how to mod mii outfits in ultimate and decided to do these fakes to fuck with people.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 04, 2019, 11:04:07 pm
Is that an admission that you've been up to your old tricks, boss
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on November 04, 2019, 11:10:46 pm
:twisted:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 05, 2019, 12:50:29 am
Hot damn son
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 05, 2019, 01:22:12 am
It's apparently super difficult to mod Mii costumes past texture edits, so take that as you will.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 05, 2019, 06:09:25 am
Aww, I'll be at work then!

On another note, I am struggling to explain the differences between Street Fighter and King of Fighter/Fatal Fury/Any of SNK Fighting games to someone who wants to know but don't have a great background in fighting game history. Can anyone help me out?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 05, 2019, 09:17:35 am
Aww, I'll be at work then!

On another note, I am struggling to explain the differences between Street Fighter and King of Fighter/Fatal Fury/Any of SNK Fighting games to someone who wants to know but don't have a great background in fighting game history. Can anyone help me out?

Fatal Fury = The game where Terry comes from.
Art of Fighting = The game where Ryo comes from.

FF and AoF are in the same timeline with AoF series happening decades before FF series.

KOF initially started as an SNK crossover fighter that evolved into it's own thing. Completely separate timeline from FF/AoF although certain elements from those series also happened in KOF timeline

Street Fighter is Street Fighter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on November 05, 2019, 11:49:42 am
I am struggling to explain the differences between Street Fighter and King of Fighter/Fatal Fury/Any of SNK Fighting games to someone who wants to know but don't have a great background in fighting game history. Can anyone help me out?

Street Fighter is the popular one, The King of Fighters is the more techincal one;

FF/AoF are alternative Street Fighters, basically. I mean, FF1 was even made by the same creators of SF1!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 06, 2019, 12:05:56 am
So apparently tomorrow's presentation will not include any news about future DLC characters. (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1191544264477396992)

So what the hell are they going to talk about for 45 minutes?  Is Sakurai just going to show off Buster Wolf a million times?  Because I'd be kinda down for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 06, 2019, 12:08:35 am
15 minutes showing off Mii costumes, Terry's moves in Smash. The remaining 30 minutes will be dedicated to explaining Terry's roots and why he's not a waste of space so the Smash kids are properly educated.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 06, 2019, 12:16:59 am
5 mins of Terry showcase, 5 mins of Osaka, 5 mins of Mii costumes, and the remaining minutes of him showcasing upcoming Amiibos and putting them in several 10 min timed battles as punishment for harrasing Harada.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 06, 2019, 12:23:55 am
I'm not saying Sakurai is lying, but, he is a troll a lot of times.
However, yes, the time does not seem clear when it comes to what they could or would add in tomorrow's presentation.

I can imagine 15 min would be Terry, the stage, eventual alternative costumes, origins, spirit, mii costumes, music, etc.
A new mode is rumoured, and would make sense with the time, even if it's up for debate.

If there is a new character I think it will be a lil surprise. Don't expect it, but some trolls likes the element of surprise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 06, 2019, 12:59:42 am
Hopefully they finally fixed the Mii Fighters' unused Stamina KO screams.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 06, 2019, 01:06:58 am
So apparently tomorrow's presentation will not include any news about future DLC characters. (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1191544264477396992)

So what the hell are they going to talk about for 45 minutes?  Is Sakurai just going to show off Buster Wolf a million times?  Because I'd be kinda down for that.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on November 06, 2019, 01:36:19 am
It's just gonna be Sakurai fanboying over SNK for 45 minutes straight and I'm totally down with that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 06, 2019, 03:02:47 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na9O13Ts4kI

It's beautiful.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 06, 2019, 02:51:31 pm
Mai axed off cause think of the children.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on November 06, 2019, 02:55:30 pm
Holy fucking shit Sakurai is a true SNK/Neogeo nerd. I've been fanboying at his SNK knowledge and you can see how passionate he is talking about it all throughout the video.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on November 06, 2019, 03:09:22 pm
Yup, Sakurai earned even more of my respect. Everything in there couldn't be looking any better! <3

Btw HOLY FUX... 50 tracks! :datass: And even Metal Slug gained 2 remixes!!! That's one great, great playlist! :kugoi:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 06, 2019, 03:20:08 pm
Sakurai and SNK are spoiling us. 50 MUSIC TRACKS from the history of SNK and 20 cameos in the stage?
Also, the Arena thing about breaking the wall was a great and different addition.

Terry looks very complex, promising and faithful to the serieses he have been part of.
Can't wait to play Terry, I think he will be one of my absolute main characters in Ultimate.

Edit: MDSilva, I think in fact Metal Slug actually got 3.
Edit2: Metal Slug as a series has 5 music tracks, but never mind. I understood now that you meant remixes. Sorry!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 06, 2019, 04:10:44 pm
Mai confirmed too boobylicious for Smash Bros.

All these special mechanics to replicate Fatal Fury, a stage with custom boundary rules and 20 SNK character cameos, 50 godsdamn music tracks;  every time I’m amazed by how far above and beyond Sakurai goes to make sure every new series is represented as best as possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 06, 2019, 04:13:03 pm
Goodbye Esaka isn't amongst the 50 tracks why SNK why
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on November 06, 2019, 06:37:40 pm
Holy delicious 50 tracks.

You also gotta admire Sakurai’s love for the SNK franchises, and his desire to spread their appeal.  I love the little history lesson he gave on Terry and Fatal Fury.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Loud Howard on November 06, 2019, 07:11:32 pm
So the Doomguy geno leak is still up
And its timed like the ken leak

This TGA is going to be a fuckfest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on November 06, 2019, 07:21:16 pm
Dude the remixes are ballin'.


Yoko Shimomura remixed Pasta!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on November 06, 2019, 08:02:43 pm
I woke up this morning to the news that Mai Shiranui won't appear in Smash at all, not even a spirit. While I am disappointed, I cannot blame the staff for doing the right thing: Smash is for all ages, and Mai's sexuality is very distracting. It could have been a major issue for ESPN/Disney, since I do recall some of their tournaments getting aired on television sometimes - and supposedly I'll have to throw in Nickelodeon as another network that airs Smash in some capacity.

It's just gonna be really weird where, when you read into the list of spirits, every SNK character will be represented except for Mai. At least I can take solace in that she is on Nintendo via SNK Heroines. It's just mixed feelings for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2019, 08:11:47 pm
it was a CERO rating issue. the amount of skin shown is a big deal. it's why some artwork had to be edited. default outfit mai wasn't gonna fly

(https://i.imgur.com/nMDgKfr.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2019, 08:12:46 pm
So the Doomguy geno leak is still up
And its timed like the ken leak

This TGA is going to be a fuckfest.
There was never a leak, just random speculation based on absolutely nothing and completely devoid of logic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2019, 08:15:45 pm
how is the leak/fake nothing.

until someone makes a convincing mii outfit mod, or until the fifth fighter is revealed and has nothing to do with mario rpg or bethesda, it's valid
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2019, 08:24:23 pm
how is the leak/fake nothing.

until someone makes a convincing mii outfit mod, or until the fifth fighter is revealed and has nothing to do with mario rpg or bethesda, it's valid
Because it wasn't an actual leak of Doomguy or Geno. It was, supposedly, a leak of Mii costumes for characters from the same games as them, and the leak for the COSTUMES is actually valid, but implying that those costumes indicate that Doomguy and Geno will be DLC is just random speculation and have no logic behind it, we have Mii costumes from characters whose franchises have no official fighter added, like having a Sans costume without any playable character from Undertale, so those leaked costumes don't indicate the inclusion of anything other than themselves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Loud Howard on November 06, 2019, 09:11:40 pm
how is the leak/fake nothing.

until someone makes a convincing mii outfit mod, or until the fifth fighter is revealed and has nothing to do with mario rpg or bethesda, it's valid
Because it wasn't an actual leak of Doomguy or Geno. It was, supposedly, a leak of Mii costumes for characters from the same games as them, and the leak for the COSTUMES is actually valid, but implying that those costumes indicate that Doomguy and Geno will be DLC is just random speculation and have no logic behind it, we have Mii costumes from characters whose franchises have no official fighter added, like having a Sans costume without any playable character from Undertale, so those leaked costumes don't indicate the inclusion of anything other than themselves.

IF i were to speculate
Cacodemon will be a hat exclusive for the DLC
For Mii that will come with this package we have Commander Keen, the LDB or any TES character, Ranger, BJ and Vault Boy


Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 06, 2019, 10:59:16 pm
it was a CERO rating issue. the amount of skin shown is a big deal. it's why some artwork had to be edited. default outfit mai wasn't gonna fly

(https://i.imgur.com/nMDgKfr.jpg)

While they coudl ahve used any of mai's alt outfits (I really do like the garoou and dom ones) that would not be her iconic outfit so it would be an even worse decision.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on November 06, 2019, 11:59:21 pm
Yup cause a lot of people are complaining on twitter about Mai, but in the end, they have to worry about CERO first. I love all the stuff in this DLC pack, you can tell Sakurai was marking out when he was working on Terry.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 07, 2019, 02:38:29 am
Seems like SNK was super excited to have their stuff represented in Smash. The KOF stage featured a lot of characters from the SNK universe, we have a nice handful of spirits and on top of that, we got 50 tracks from SNK for Smash with some Metal Slug OG and New Mixes among them. I LOVE the new mix of the Metal Slug theme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on November 07, 2019, 03:25:57 am
we have Mii costumes from characters whose franchises have no official fighter added, like having a Sans costume without any playable character from Undertale
that's exactly why the leaked mii costumes are suspicious. when the sans costume was revealed nobody thought there would be a playable undertale character because sans is the game's most popular character and the mii fighter is as far as that game's representation in smash will go. same with the xenoblade 2 character, chibi robo, goemon, etc. the reason people believe geno or doom guy will be playable is because both games would be better represented in mii costumes by geno and doomguy instead of mallow and a cacodemon.

like i already said, it's possible there are also geno and doomguy mii outfits but the leaker just didn't show them, or the whole thing is just a mod. but the previous mii fighters argument makes little sense considering these are secondary characters getting outfits
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 07, 2019, 03:26:51 am
titiln when are you gonna make a fake doomguy screenshot to spread more oil to the fire
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on November 07, 2019, 06:23:17 am
one thing I noticed was that there was no mention of a final smash for Terry, unless his supers are the final smashes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 07, 2019, 06:31:04 am
You might want to watch the whole thing again. Yes, all 45 minutes of it. His Final Smash was mentioned.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on November 07, 2019, 05:37:01 pm
No Marco Mii Gunner is so unfortunate but...

Even though Rock Howard's Theme from Garou MOTW, K's Team music from most KoF games and London Stage music from CVS2 didn't make it, 50 songs from SNK games puts in BIG shame Square Enix since they're still so strict to share almost anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 07, 2019, 11:27:23 pm
Yea, I wouldn't expect Rock's MOTW theme to come back due to the tribute it has in it. It's why he had a new song made for KOF14.
K' got two of his team themes in and CvS2 is a Capcom game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 07, 2019, 11:41:49 pm
From eariler, UT also got that character's theme as well for some reason. Not sure where it plays or why it's in, but it's there too...

If heavily loved and memed songs have chances, I would like to see anything from Initial D. I believe it was an arcade game foremost, correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 08, 2019, 12:08:35 pm
It came with the costume. They're not going to start adding random music to the game, especially not from a video game adaptation of an anime.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 08, 2019, 12:46:40 pm
Yeah, despite what it could look like at first glance, this game isn't MUGEN.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 08, 2019, 11:55:06 pm
My bad did not know Intial D was an anime. I just knew it had a wild amount of meme parodies like Megalosomething.

Yeah, Smash Ultimate has nothing on Mugen as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 09, 2019, 11:47:06 pm
It is sad that Mai couldn't make it in.
I've seen censored versions of her costume that would have worked fine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on November 10, 2019, 12:22:32 am
Sakurai is a huge fanboy of SNK and he wouldnt censor Mai out of respect and would rather not include her at all, as it defeats the whole purpose of her character to be conservative.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on November 10, 2019, 02:00:15 am
Terry is really fun to play I hope Sakurai adds more snk characters on season 2. Ryu and ken arent funny to play agains smash characters :/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 10, 2019, 04:01:03 am
There's still hope for Marco with Tarma, Eri and Fio as alts since they all play basically the same in Metal Slug and they could work something out for them. Still, I'm very content by the amount of stuff from SNK, especially the Metal Slug tracks. They seriously put Square Enix to shame with their content. 50 songs is the most we've gotten from a single DLC release so far for Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on November 10, 2019, 04:31:46 am
yeah Im still waiting for metal slug characters since day one because in my opinion they will fix better in the roster than Joker, hero, or even terry.
banjo and kazooie in my opinion fix very well in the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on November 10, 2019, 07:06:31 am
I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more from SNK.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 10, 2019, 08:35:26 am
I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more from SNK.
Pretty much. I mean, it kinda surprised me they even got in, though it probably shouldn't have, but why would SNK of all companies get another characters with so many other possible choices?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on November 13, 2019, 02:11:35 am
Apparently version 6.1.0 is due out in a few days or so. That didn't take long.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 13, 2019, 04:51:56 pm
I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more from SNK.
Pretty much. I mean, it kinda surprised me they even got in, though it probably shouldn't have, but why would SNK of all companies get another characters with so many other possible choices?

Because snk is good boys and girls.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2019, 04:15:50 am
Leon Kennedy confirmed.

(https://i.redd.it/focltpo1w4141.jpg)

As a spirit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 27, 2019, 05:00:15 am
COMPLETE

SPIRITUAL

SATURATION



hnnnnnggg
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Warden-San on November 27, 2019, 06:17:29 am
...I want someone to give me spiritual saturation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 27, 2019, 06:18:54 am
I'm confused what the issue here is. RE getting in Smash, even as a few .png files is one bizarre timeline. But cool in a way. Kinda.


If this is bad just wait until you guys see the trending leak characters... Shudder worthy stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on November 27, 2019, 12:44:10 pm
Who cares of Resident Evil spirits?
I want Tekken spirits! Or especially Final Fantasy 7 since there are only 2 Cloud spirits.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on November 27, 2019, 01:14:42 pm
If this is bad just wait until you guys see the trending leak characters... Shudder worthy stuff.

Goku shows spirit?
Shrek takes ogre?
Spongebob is ready?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on November 27, 2019, 02:25:24 pm
Frogger Leaps Into Battle. Yeah, Frogger out of all of Konami's properties...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2019, 05:00:01 pm
The Frogger leak was already busted when it got all of the Mii costumes that came with Terry wrong.  Just another 4chan rando making shit up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 27, 2019, 05:30:28 pm
After Piranha Plant and Isabelle, is Frogger truly a stretch? Sure, Ryu Hayabusa, who was also leaked, is much more logical, but based on what we have, its not like we're supposed to be surprised by weird things being added.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 27, 2019, 07:03:41 pm
Kinda surprised Frogger has yet to be included as a Spirit given how much obscure content and TETRIS made it in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2019, 07:52:17 pm
After Piranha Plant and Isabelle, is Frogger truly a stretch? Sure, Ryu Hayabusa, who was also leaked, is much more logical, but based on what we have, its not like we're supposed to be surprised by weird things being added.

I mean, pretty much any game character is fair game at this stage.  I just meant that the one and only “leak” that said Frogger was coming turned out to be bullshit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on December 01, 2019, 12:45:21 am
(https://i.redd.it/focltpo1w4141.jpg)

Nemesis as the fifth guest confirmed
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 01, 2019, 12:59:20 am
There are no guests in this game. Also, Ha! Hell to the no!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on December 01, 2019, 09:31:20 pm
You're right, pal :P Just jokin there, as it seemed fitting w/ the news;

At this point, we can all agree that the definitely best and most logical character that can gloriously encase this 1st fighter pass will, of course, be:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on December 01, 2019, 11:14:15 pm
All leaks are probably real. Hal probably just picks one of the fake leaks from the internet and then makes it real for the DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on December 06, 2019, 06:53:34 pm
The last two Game Awards the Crash Bandicoot franchise have had a game revealed each year. Will it happen again this time? And, could Crash be revealed as a playable?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 06, 2019, 10:08:41 pm
Did Crash ever have a game in a Nintendo console? I don't really follow the franchise, but if he had, then he is a very likely candidate, since he is a classic character and has the cartoony videogame looks that one would expect on a Smash character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RagingRowen on December 06, 2019, 10:11:19 pm
Did Crash ever have a game in a Nintendo console? I don't really follow the franchise, but if he had, then he is a very likely candidate, since he is a classic character and has the cartoony videogame looks that one would expect on a Smash character.

Yeah he had a few GBA games and a few ports to the Gamecube and Wii.
N-Same Trilogy and Nitro Fueled are also on Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2019, 02:20:33 pm
I wouldn't count on Crash.  Most of the credible leak sources have come out and said that he's not the 5th Fighters Pass character.

Speaking of which, Nintendo seems to be keeping the next character under much tighter wraps this time around.  The most prominent leakers like Vergeben and Sabi are all saying that the inside sources they usually get their info from either don't know or won't say who the 5th character is.  Right now they're only speaking up to debunk the other false leaks and rumors going around, so nobody right now even has a decent guess who it's going to be.

Spoiler: Which means it's time for more crazy conspiracy theories! (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 07, 2019, 03:40:30 pm
Daisy could also represent the first new wave of Echo fighters.

Seeing lists of deconfirmed stuff and nowhere is Cuphead found on those lists.  Plus the creator said he really wants him in Smash Bros.


We're getting Sam Bridges aren't we
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on December 07, 2019, 04:03:40 pm
Spoiler: Which means it's time for more crazy conspiracy theories! (click to see content)
Princess Daisy is a bully.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 07, 2019, 09:57:47 pm
Why in the hell people want Doomguy? He's barely a character at all, and he's not really meant to be one either, considering he is just a one dimensional avatar for the player.

Seriously, most character wishlists I have seen are trash, either people want meme characters, fad characters or dudebros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on December 07, 2019, 11:01:48 pm
I've seen some people bringing up Reimu from Touhou; as in, the 1st character from a indie series to join the playable cast.

I seriously find this the best idea ever. ;D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on December 08, 2019, 01:36:51 am
Not many really "want" Doom Guy. But a lot of people expect him, if that makes sense.

I only want Doom Guy if he gets a Commander Keen stage, but I know Sakurai won't do that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 08, 2019, 02:58:22 am
Why in the hell people want Doomguy? He's barely a character at all, and he's not really meant to be one either, considering he is just a one dimensional avatar for the player.

Seriously, most character wishlists I have seen are trash, either people want meme characters, fad characters or dudebros.
Even if we ignore the fact that the most recent Doom protagonist shows a lot more personality than his predecessors, nothing too complex, but enough for a mute character, why the hell does that even matter? Its not like Smash is attempting a complex story mode, or hell, even a story mode at all, and even if it was, we still have characters like Mr. Game & Watch and Piranha Plant, so, honestly, there is no reason to deny a Doom protagonist just because of "lack of personality", I would say that an arsenal is all he needs, but considering characters like Isabelle, he wouldn't need even that.

I've seen some people bringing up Reimu from Touhou; as in, the 1st character from a indie series to join the playable cast.

I seriously find this the best idea ever. ;D
AFAIK, Touhou never had a Nintendo game, so I don't think it would fly, besides, its not like Nintendo is out of options for indie characters that they chose to include as trophies or costumes: Shovel Knight, Sans, Shantae...

Speaking of which, I was recently reminded of a character that can't really offer that much when it comes to a moveset, but its quite a classic and actually had a Nintendo game: Dirk the Daring, from Dragon's Lair. I know his main game was more like an interactive movie, and his NES game was... trash, but Dragon's Lair is still considered a classic for gaming, so I wouldn't mind seeing him in the game, if only to represent that type of game.
(http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/dl-ch-dirk.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 08, 2019, 03:58:56 am
Why in the hell people want Doomguy? He's barely a character at all, and he's not really meant to be one either, considering he is just a one dimensional avatar for the player.

This could literally describe Mario, too.  Just saying.

I've seen some people bringing up Reimu from Touhou; as in, the 1st character from a indie series to join the playable cast.

I seriously find this the best idea ever. ;D

Reimu was going around for a while because some dude claimed to have leaked a bunch of concept art for the next Touhou and also said she was coming to Smash, but I think that got debunked when the stuff he leaked turned out to have come from the devs' own twitter.

I've actually been seeing a lot of speculation about Arle from Puyo Puyo going around.  Never played those games myself, but considering how well Sakurai's translated RPG systems and fighting game mechanics into other characters does make me curious to see what he could do with a puzzle game character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on December 08, 2019, 12:40:26 pm
I'd rather want Lip from Panel De Pon, but I can settle for Arle Nadja easily.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 08, 2019, 02:00:46 pm
AFAIK, Touhou never had a Nintendo game

The Switch has unofficial-yet-still-endorsed-in-this-weird-confusing-lax-licensing-situation Touhou games and should be getting Antinomy of Common Flowers eventually alongside PS4. Reimu, Marisa, and Sakuya did appear on the 3DS Taiko Master game alongside Kirby characters and other 3rd-parties though.

I'd say for that one lucky indie rep that could make it to playable status, it'd either be Reimu or Quote, but that's assuming an indie rep is on the cards for playable DLC. Of course the bonus with Reimu is that you'd get all that lovely Touhou music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 09, 2019, 12:17:52 am
I've actually been seeing a lot of speculation about Arle from Puyo Puyo going around.  Never played those games myself, but considering how well Sakurai's translated RPG systems and fighting game mechanics into other characters does make me curious to see what he could do with a puzzle game character.

Puyo Puyo actually began as a spin-off of a RPG series called Madou Monogatari, so Arle has more than enough stuff for a moveset.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on December 09, 2019, 12:33:16 am
Of course the bonus with Reimu is that you'd get all that lovely Touhou music.

Speaking of which... ::)
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 09, 2019, 01:07:16 am
Xi-on makes some nice arrangements, yes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 10, 2019, 04:37:35 am
So long as we're still doing speculation and leak-speak...

Spoiler: On the off chance this is actually legit, I guess (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on December 10, 2019, 06:49:07 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 10, 2019, 01:36:37 pm
^ Apparently a lot of the talk of entire companies getting deconfirmed was something of an error in translation between the Japanese source and the English speaker asking the questions.  They were asking questions like "Is X character from Y company the next reveal" and through a bad game of telephone the answer that came back was "No, Y character isn't in."

That's the current story, anyway.

:EDIT: A handful of private videos just showed up on the official Smash Bros youtube.  Something is coming tomorrow, whatever it is.

:EDITED EDIT:  Or not.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Laharl on December 13, 2019, 05:43:13 am
so nothing happened. wonder what their plan is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 13, 2019, 06:08:05 am
Well, they won best fighting game. Good for them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on December 13, 2019, 08:23:21 am
But seriously though!
Why are they so delusional about the reveal the last DLC of the first pass?
What fools!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 14, 2020, 02:55:53 am
Astral Chain confirmed.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN5adHoUUAAsDsl.jpg)

...As spirits. (https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1216887655172132864)

Everybody gangsta until Lappy shows up looking to throw hands.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 14, 2020, 02:42:05 pm
At least DxM and Astral Chain managed to make it into Smash somehow. Both are new original IPs released exclusively on Switch, which is a pretty risky thing to do in this current era of sequels, remakes, and remasters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on January 14, 2020, 03:24:45 pm
Sakurai will reveal the DLC character on Thursday at 6:AM PT on Livestream.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 14, 2020, 06:03:05 pm
My body is ready!
But why Sakurai is doing that W gesture?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2020, 06:14:08 pm
Macross delta characters confirmed

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6118/b6970b5aab7bd1b85f074a6198c443f2d50bf4f5_hq.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 14, 2020, 06:35:19 pm
My body is ready!
But why Sakurai is doing that W gesture?

Pretty obvious, really.  What other highly-requested character that fans have been begging for is associated with the letter W?

Wigglytuff confirmed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 14, 2020, 07:44:15 pm
Witcher? Warriors?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 14, 2020, 08:01:26 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOM6CgsUcAAiZhu?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Where are you guys getting a w from
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 14, 2020, 08:07:49 pm
Sakurai's hand
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 14, 2020, 08:08:17 pm
How is that a w
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 14, 2020, 08:09:32 pm
Imitate the hand pose on your own and you'll see it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 14, 2020, 08:10:34 pm
Still looks like an e or a 3
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Deadface on January 14, 2020, 09:07:33 pm
he's putting in wolverine duh
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 14, 2020, 09:20:48 pm
Still looks like an e or a 3

Playable Reggie with E3 Presentation stage confirmed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 14, 2020, 10:36:52 pm
What's Astra Chain? Never heard of it before. Pretty awesome to hear that a video game I never heard of is being represented in Smash in a way. Looking forward to get those spirits.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 14, 2020, 11:36:21 pm
Astral Chain is the big thing Platinum were working on. It was showed off quite a bit during Directs, so I'm not sure how you missed it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on January 14, 2020, 11:45:36 pm
W is obviously Waluigi, guys.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 15, 2020, 12:38:09 am
Oh good, it's just a "W".  When I first saw the picture shrunk and cut off on my phone I thought he was attempting dabbing and had a feeling of dread sitting in my stomach since.

Does Arle from Puyo Puyo count as an anime magical girl?  Because I guess that's kind of a magical girl pose thing he's doing, and it's frankly kind of a weird picture of him?  Not that I know much of anything Arle does, never mind if she does a pose that's similar but that's the first thing that came to mind.  The whole peace sign in front of the eyes gesture.

Or I guess it could just also be Waluigi, he's often slouched over like that too.  Though it's just Wario who does the "W" hand gesture, no?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 15, 2020, 12:45:39 am
It could also literally just be Sakurai doing a random gesture with no hidden meaning behind it, but that's not nearly as fun to talk about.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on January 15, 2020, 12:59:26 pm
that gesture..…….. Vega (Claw) in smash?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 15, 2020, 02:50:20 pm
He's a spirit inside a Meta Knight puppet that likes to jump and use aerials.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Suprizle on January 15, 2020, 10:15:05 pm
Gonna go ahead and reach. My guess is DMC3 Dante or Ryu Hayabusa.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 16, 2020, 12:13:19 am
It is a bit more exciting going into this one because there's been almost no truly credible or definitive leaks this time around.  Between datamining and shoddy website maintenance there hasn't been an actual surprise reveal since Joker.

Just for kicks, I'm gonna guess either Arle Nadja or Travis Touchdown.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2020, 02:51:50 am
Now, I haven't played or watched any of No More Heroes outside commercials, but isn't Travis Touchdown this raunchy, foul-mouthed playboy wanna-be character?  Dumbing him down to fit Smash's all-ages parameters seems to really take away a lot of his personality.  If they threw in Doom Guy, the MK ninja or Ryu Hayabusa for example and reeled in the blood and gore, they'd still be fighting with moves likely reminiscent of their game's history which more greatly reflect what the characters represent in, well, video game history.  Travis just doesn't seem like he offers much outside his rude personality that molded his character, and that would be most certainly neutered in Smash.  It'd be like adding Duke Nukem, essentially.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 16, 2020, 03:20:25 am
You wanna talk toned-down adult characters then look no further than Bayonetta.  All they have to do is just not let him say 'fuck' as often and he's fine.

Travis actually has a lot of potential as a Smash character.  His fighting style combines ultra fast lightsaber bushido with heavy pro wrestling grapples; It's not any more dependent on blood and gore than any of the other characters you mentioned. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2020, 03:48:34 am
To be fair I also do not care for Bayonetta in Smash at all and she would be the first I would not miss if missing in a future title.  She feels exceptionally out of place in this game, which I suppose is a remarkable feat in a game that cheered on a human-eating space dragon getting in.

I'd imagine they would be fine getting around the more brutal combat content found in his original game just as they would anyone else.  It's just I'm left to imagine Travis's personality stems explicitly from his character being a potential contestant on Jackass more-so than any gore effects or suplexes during combat.  That's secondary in what defines him.

But then again, yeah, Bayonetta is in, and the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of her is that time Nintendo or some Nintendo fan site got a bunch of porn stars interviewed on how she stands up for their style of life for the second game, so whatever.  If they can find a pleasing middle ground, more power to them, good for the fans.  Just seems like you'd be getting the diet version of the character to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 16, 2020, 08:08:30 am
How does Bayonetta feel more exceptionally out of place than someone like Snake or weird shit like Mr. Game & Watch? I think you're just biased.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on January 16, 2020, 02:31:46 pm
Oh, YouTube link is active:



My bet is still on Hatsune Miku;
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 16, 2020, 03:07:51 pm
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on January 16, 2020, 03:11:47 pm
lol

Sakurai's hand gesture was him counting on binary.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on January 16, 2020, 03:15:00 pm
This is just the anger and disappointment at work but...



FUCK FIRE EMBLEM!!!! FUCK IT TO FUCKING HELL!!!

And another fucking sword user to boot. FUCK!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on January 16, 2020, 03:16:50 pm


That couldn't be a bigger mood for me right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on January 16, 2020, 03:19:46 pm
edgier Marth.... What a creative addition, I gotta say. ¬¬
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 16, 2020, 03:32:03 pm
I'm so upset!
I'm so TIRED of Fire Emblem charactes ALWAYS taking spotlights in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Loud Howard on January 16, 2020, 03:32:28 pm
THIS IS WHY THEY RAN OFF FROM TGA THIS YEAR!

jesus christ what a joke.
Worse is  that Advance wars DIED to give place to this garbage IP
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on January 16, 2020, 03:36:21 pm
For what it's worth, we got a Cuphead Gunner lol. Really good on their devs for such exposure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 16, 2020, 03:38:31 pm
This guy was gonna take up a DLC slot whether you like it or not.

But hey, Assassin Creed and Cuphead as costumes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Loud Howard on January 16, 2020, 03:44:44 pm
This guy was gonna take up a DLC slot whether you like it or not.

But hey, Assassin Creed and Cuphead as costumes.

Even a rabbit with lasers would be better than FESmash Bros
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on January 16, 2020, 03:46:48 pm
Count me in the pile of those who are disappointed too with the choice...

Thankfully, there will be 6 more characters entering the game between now and December 2021. This way, the chances for disappointment should be slim.

Oh, and the song for the Cuphead costume should of been either Hi-Seas Hijinx or Murine Corps. That is all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on January 16, 2020, 03:48:11 pm
Nobody expects the Fire Emblem Inquisition!


But in all seriousness, that's a disappointing reveal. I guess it's why nobody hit the mark for who it would be.

But yeah, Altair and Cuphead as costumes. Neat. (Maybe an actual Ezio as an actual fighter, maybe? Since they only specify ALTAIR, not the series as a whole?)

Also 6 more fighters on the way? Very neat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on January 16, 2020, 03:50:29 pm
Remember when Sakurai said they couldn't put Rex in because XB2 was new? Three Houses was literally just released. What a liar.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on January 16, 2020, 03:53:11 pm
Another Fire Emblem character? Cuphead and X are just Mii costumes?
Definitely the worst reveal, what a fuckin' disappointment. :(

Remember when Sakurai said they couldn't put Rex in because XB2 was new? Three Houses was literally just released. What a liar.

Exactly. What a joke... :mwhy:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on January 16, 2020, 03:56:37 pm
Okay, *ahem...*

I'm tired of this pretty young protagonist supremacy!!!


Sorry, I just can't... these fucking Kirito lookalikes are killing me slowly, now. :wall:



At least this direct reminded me that Street Fighter 2 is indeed a great game, so I'm gonna play some Dhalsim and then do something else. Won't post anymore bullshit here;


Happy new decade everyone, btw! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 16, 2020, 04:06:08 pm
And so the final Fighter Pass character drops with all the aplomb of a dead fish hitting the pavement as four exciting and unexpected representatives from legendary and iconic series are followed up with yet another sword wielding Fire Emblem protagonist.

I mean, no shade against Byleth in particular but WOW what an absolute hype killer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on January 16, 2020, 04:09:17 pm
What a disappointing way to end the first fighters pass? Who wanted this, huh? I've never seen a smash direct that never disappointed me until now!

And so the final Fighter Pass character drops with all the aplomb of a dead fish hitting the pavement as four exciting and unexpected representatives from legendary and iconic series are followed up with yet another sword wielding Fire Emblem protagonist.

I mean, no shade against Byleth in particular but WOW what an absolute hype killer.

not to mention their swords remind me of ivy valentine from soul calibur where the sword can extend within reach and also act like a grappling hook on the edge of the stage like the two samuses, simon and richter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Suprizle on January 16, 2020, 05:23:40 pm
This makes me sick...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on January 16, 2020, 05:43:16 pm
Huh, that’s certainly a surprise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on January 16, 2020, 06:44:51 pm
Another freaking anime swordfighter, huh?

This has to be the first direct I've ever gotten disappointed from. The least I was asking for is a SwSh rep like Cinderace or Inteleon, but even then my low expectations still let me down.

This ruined my whole day. Thank god I chose not to buy the $25USD Fighter's Pass, because that'd be $10 already wasted for me (I didn't get Hero and I'm definitely not getting Byleth, nor do I give a shit about them).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 16, 2020, 06:48:10 pm
Wow, talk about a trash reveal. Would have been better if they showed nothing at all, Fire Emblem already has lots of characters in Smash, why bring another instead of an actually interesting character from one of the many franchises they could pick from? Even an obscure character would be more exciting than this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on January 16, 2020, 06:51:06 pm
Remember when Sakurai said they couldn't put Rex in because XB2 was new? Three Houses was literally just released. What a liar.

Wasnt that for the base roster though? He never mentioned DLC at that point.

But yeah. Another FE rep. woo
Nothing against Byleth because at least she seems like a much better char then fucking Corrin lmao but still.

6 more chars left. Bring them on
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 16, 2020, 06:55:30 pm
No joke, I’m legitimately more excited to get that Cuphead costume and music than Byleth.  It’s Terry and Sans all over again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Warden-San on January 16, 2020, 07:06:29 pm
Honestly as much as I like Sans I found Terry to be the more exciting part of that reveal but that's just me growing up off of Neo Geo cabinets being in every bowling alley and pizza place back in my day.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 16, 2020, 07:18:56 pm
I never played SNK games that much (only cared about them after MUGEN entered my life), but I still recognized and was excited by Terry's reveal. This guy is just meh, what are we to expect from the next 6? Mario, Zelda and Pokémon? Honestly, I'd still be more excited for those franchises to get more characters than Fire Emblem, but even then, I'd prefer franchises that don't have that much representation or don't have anything at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 16, 2020, 07:33:33 pm
God damn it, fuck FE. What a way to drop the consistency on a great dlc season. Going out with a weakly poof instead of a bang.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on January 16, 2020, 07:43:14 pm
as for the stage itself, it's good. it's basically like castle siege from brawl but the platform takes you to another place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 16, 2020, 10:01:26 pm
6 more chars left. Bring them on

They won't be stopping at six, I think it's safe to take that to the bank
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 16, 2020, 10:22:48 pm
Byleth is the best reveal in Smash solely due to the amount of salt it generated.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on January 16, 2020, 10:23:01 pm
6 more chars left. Bring them on

They won't be stopping at six, I think it's safe to take that to the bank

at least not until every fire emblem hero has been added... except the ones that don't use swords.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 16, 2020, 10:25:26 pm
Maybe they can do one more form of content via Fighter Ballot like before.

Quote
what are we to expect from the next 6? Mario, Zelda and Pokémon?
Gen 8 Pokémon or a Pokémon in general.  If this guy can make it, no reason for a SwSh rep to do the same (even tho a Spirit event for them just happened...)

And yet, there is always a possibility for someone new in BotW2 and Metriod Prime 4.

Byleth is the best reveal in Smash solely due to the amount of salt it generated.
Had it been a sneak peek for fighter pack 2 it would have still garnered salt but not at this level.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 16, 2020, 10:45:48 pm
I'm sorry for my overreaction.
It's just like Corrin announced for Smash all over again.
I'm not dissapointed. I'm absolutely okay with this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 16, 2020, 10:51:22 pm
The first character for the next fighters pass will tell the tale methinks

There may be at least the ability to say for instance "two nintendo, two classic third party characters, two modern third party characters" and use that going forward
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on January 16, 2020, 11:01:23 pm
Sakurai, your FE Bias is showing. No wonder it took them this long to reveal Byleth, they were probably just bracing themselves for the imminent backlash of epic proportions. TBH, I'd probably wind up using Byleth more than any of the other DLC characters released so far anyway, and I haven't really been blown away by any of the DLC characters either. If nothing else, I gots a new waifu to ogle and the stage looks nice, so I'll take it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on January 16, 2020, 11:39:10 pm
Byleth was inevitable in my opinion. But as the last fighter in the Fighters Pass disappoints me. I’m not mad though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 16, 2020, 11:57:00 pm
Byleth is the best reveal in Smash solely due to the amount of salt it generated.

Yeah, this and bofuri (the anime) are making this a great week to enjoy gamer schadenfreude.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 17, 2020, 01:28:51 am
Dante looks weird here.  I don't like this reboot.

Eugh.  It's just so....disappointing.  You can't even get mad, you just skip into the depression state at this point.  More Marth, freakin' yay.  Literally the only enjoyment I garner out of Fire Emblem is Awkward Zombie's reinterpretation of Marth as a royal snob and Roy as a gremlin, this character does nothing for me.  Maybe inching out over Joker because at least this character's stage isn't headache-inducing.  All Byleth here tells me is they had a very good foundation for Ivy Valentine at one point.

C'est la vie, though.  There's Cuphead and Altair looking better than average for Mii costumes.  There's more characters in another pass.  Banjo alone sold this one for its asking price, the rest were just along for the ride.  I'm surprised at Altair being the chosen candidate for Assassin's Creed representation.  I mean, he's my favorite before the series got stale and lost its story focus so I dropped off, but Ezio's kinda the poster boy.

I think the highlight of this video was Sakurai teaching counting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on January 17, 2020, 03:18:37 am
I am so mad my man Cuphead is just a Sans accessory. No, I didn't want him as a playable. And they got Assassin's Creed sucked into the Sans megameme too? Ugh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 17, 2020, 04:50:40 pm
Hey, games got like 80+ characters I cant really justify being salty over 1.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 17, 2020, 08:52:34 pm
It's a bit easier to justify when you're paying extra for it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 17, 2020, 11:28:55 pm
You actually don't have to do that and Sakurai DID say (he mentions it again in the last direct) that you should only buy the season pass if your confident in what will be in store as each character can be bought separate. And like I said, we already got like a massive roster of which highly demanded characters like Ridely, K.Rool, CHROM, ect. were in the base game so quite frankly I can't be upset about new guys regardless of franchise they come from.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 17, 2020, 11:48:00 pm
I'm not even upset about Byleth, TBH.  As far as flavor-of-the-week Fire Emblem protags go he at least looks unique to play and not just like Marth #5.

It's more the fact that after everything else in the fighters pass was so unexpected, unique, and lovingly crafted it can't help but be a let-down that a year's worth of build up led to the safest, most obvious and uninspired choice they could have possibly made.  "Fire Emblem sword user" is literally the biggest community joke about a bland, wasted space.

It's like if you had a meal at a high-class restaurant where the first four courses were all amazing gourmet dishes, and then for dessert they just gave you a Twinkie still in the wrapper.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 18, 2020, 12:15:48 am
And that's when you learn that the restaurant owner actually owns the local Twinkie factory.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 18, 2020, 12:32:56 am
I'm not even upset about Byleth, TBH.  As far as flavor-of-the-week Fire Emblem protags go he at least looks unique to play and not just like Marth #5.

It's more the fact that after everything else in the fighters pass was so unexpected, unique, and lovingly crafted it can't help but be a let-down that a year's worth of build up led to the safest, most obvious and uninspired choice they could have possibly made.  "Fire Emblem sword user" is literally the biggest community joke about a bland, wasted space.

It's like if you had a meal at a high-class restaurant where the first four courses were all amazing gourmet dishes, and then for dessert they just gave you a Twinkie still in the wrapper.

Well in that regard we have don't anyone but ourselves to blame for hyping and assuming what we simply did not know to begin with. Oh and somebodies bound to have appreciate that twinkie lol!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 18, 2020, 03:05:04 am
I mean, I'll still eat the Twinkie.  I'm not too proud to say it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 18, 2020, 04:53:04 am
Well in that regard we have don't anyone but ourselves to blame for hyping and assuming what we simply did not know to begin with. Oh and somebodies bound to have appreciate that twinkie lol!
Yeah, no, we don't. They have set up the standard and they raised the hype, don't give me this bullshit of "Its not their fault", because it fucking is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on January 18, 2020, 05:19:41 am
Why is negative blame being placed exactly? Isn't a new character a good thing?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on January 18, 2020, 05:40:32 am
I think it's pretty natural for most people who aren't super invested in Fire Emblem to feel disappointed when the final character in this season of DLC to be yet another sword-wielding Fire Emblem protagonist, especially when there's seven of them in the game already. Of all the various Nintendo franchises, only Mario has more characters, and pretty much all of those characters look and play radically different. It just seems weird to me that Fire Emblem is coming in second, above Zelda or Kirby or what have you.  And heck, from what I've seen, even Fire Emblem fans would rather have seen a non-main character so that at the very least a different weapon style could be represented (beyond how Byleth specials do this to a limited extent).

It's really only an issue when people take those feelings of disappointment and blow them up, acting like whiny babies who feel as if Nintendo should cater to them, personally. Speaking of...

Yeah, no, we don't. They have set up the standard and they raised the hype, don't give me this bullshit of "Its not their fault", because it fucking is.
LMAO this is so unbelievably entitled
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on January 18, 2020, 05:42:27 am
Don't get me wrong here, I love Fire Emblem I've played many of the games and enjoyed them very much. But like you said there are seven sword users from Fire Emblem already. Where the f*** is Hector?
They have an opportunity to put in a true heavy that comes from fire emblem.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 18, 2020, 05:48:34 am
The past 4 reveals were unexpected and carried hype all the way through.  Of course our expectations would be at an all time high.  The character was revealed in the first few seconds of a dull trailer and it's someone we all knew was gonna be added anyways when the second pack was announced.


Byleth will be fun to use no doubt about it.  Just wish Nintendo had a better way to promote this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 18, 2020, 10:29:11 am
I think it's pretty natural for most people who aren't super invested in Fire Emblem to feel disappointed when the final character in this season of DLC to be yet another sword-wielding Fire Emblem protagonist, especially when there's seven of them in the game already. Of all the various Nintendo franchises, only Mario has more characters, and pretty much all of those characters look and play radically different. It just seems weird to me that Fire Emblem is coming in second, above Zelda or Kirby or what have you.  And heck, from what I've seen, even Fire Emblem fans would rather have seen a non-main character so that at the very least a different weapon style could be represented (beyond how Byleth specials do this to a limited extent).
Zelda and Kirby not having more representations isn't that weird when you consider that there isn't much to pick from in either series. Then again, we got effing Piranha Plant of all things in the roster, so I guess they could cook up something if they really wanted to.
Fire Emblem fans don't want another Lord because they don't want yet another sword user in a series with plenty of weapons OTHER than swords. Or more specifically, they want either Ephraim or Hector, Lords that use Lances and Axes respectively.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 18, 2020, 01:40:28 pm
Oh I get the idea that people are going to be disappointed in more fire emblem but neither Nintendo nor Sakurai stated what or who exactly to expect with the season pass, nothing was ever promised and lets be real Byleth was inevitable regardless. People would have reacted the same way whether they were the final character in the 1st pass or in the middle of the 2nd. Look at this way, now that we got six more characters coming people can get in their feelings about something they don't like six more times!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 18, 2020, 02:53:37 pm
I mean it's no coincidence that another DLC wave was announced for Three Houses alongside Byleth's Smash reveal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 18, 2020, 03:00:19 pm
Byleth probably would have been better received as the second or third character in the pack.  People would've rolled their eyes and said "sure, of course" before looking forward to the next one.  I think positioning another Fire Emblem character as the grand finale after such massive surprises as Persona or Banjo-Kazooie was their real mistake in all this.

Zelda and Kirby not having more representations isn't that weird when you consider that there isn't much to pick from in either series.

The entire roster of Hyrule Warriors and Star Allies would politely disagree with you, but that's a different discussion.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 18, 2020, 03:50:04 pm
Byleth probably would have been better received as the second or third character in the pack.  People would've rolled their eyes and said "sure, of course" before looking forward to the next one.  I think positioning another Fire Emblem character as the grand finale after such massive surprises as Persona or Banjo-Kazooie was their real mistake in all this.


Well the consensus on the internet seems to lean toward MOAR FAIUH EMBURUM BAD than Byleth him/herself being in which leads me to believe that no matter where they showed up or which character they picked the reactions would have been the same just because its another fire emblem guy. They can't even say that he/she is just a sword user as Byleth is using lance, bows, and axes all in one. And like I said, we are getting more characters anyway so the problem can't be a grand finale as the dlc train ain't over yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 18, 2020, 04:33:27 pm
The consensus I've been seeing from people who aren't being idiots about Fire Emblem seem to be more akin to this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6gzOcTNKwE)  The Fighters Pass lineup spent a year conditioning fans to think that literally anything was a possibility and to expect the unexpected, all to lead up to the most expected thing ever.  Not saying I 100% agree with that, but I get it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 18, 2020, 05:36:38 pm
Yep, its totally fine to be disappointed with something when the bar is set pretty high. My biggest issue isn't with them its with the manbabies that take it to the next level and start harassing Nintendo employees and the developers on social media, sending death threats, or demanding Sakurai be fire because he can't or won't fill all of your hearts desires. I don't have any patience for opinions from those types and makes wish Sakurai actually made the "Never ask me for anything ever again." meme meta like the "too many swordsman" thing.

Hilariously Tekken's Harada actually does use that meme in his own way.
https://twitter.com/harada_tekken/status/744348665834180608 (https://twitter.com/harada_tekken/status/744348665834180608)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 19, 2020, 05:38:47 am
The entire roster of Hyrule Warriors and Star Allies would politely disagree with you, but that's a different discussion.

I might accept Star Allies, but not Hyrule Warriors because....it's a Warriors game, they can add anyone in a Warriors game and just give them flashy AOE effects. Still, that leaves their options extremely limited.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 19, 2020, 05:59:04 am
they can add anyone in a Warriors game and just give them flashy AOE effects
They can still just add flashy effects to anyone in Smash, and that wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 19, 2020, 07:09:34 am
Kinda odd to call that out on the Warriors games, when Smash has the Wii Fit Trainer of all the possible nonsensical ideas, no?

Some of the characters in Hyrule Warriors are intentionally pretty ridiculous and wouldn't be viable in an actual Zelda game nor a good choice for Smash, but you still got the numerous variations on Impa in the Zelda timeline, Darunia or any of the Goron chieftains from other games, Princess Ruto, Midna, Zant, Fi, Ghirahim, Tingle, Skull Kid, Yuga, Tetra and/or Toon Zelda who WOULD make wonderful Smash character additions.  Especially Skull Kid or Midna repping Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess respectively, the latter being probably one of the Zelda franchise's best characters regardless and the former kind of a cult classic icon.

I'd trade in 5 of these way too similar Fire Emblem guys and/or gals for one of any of these much more diverse characters.  Just saying, they got the numbers to spare.

Now, Star Allies while easier to translate Kirby characters to Smash template, most of Kirby's friends are just one-note repeating series minions.  Maybe wait to add Chilly or Sir Kibble after the more famous Nintendo minions like Goomba and Koopa get added to round out Piranha Plant's weird placement.  The actual main villains however, hell yeah, Marx needed to be in this game two entries ago and I'd love for him to progress from just a boss like Ridley did.  Probably literally all of the Star Allies DLC would be good additions to Smash, I'd love for Adeleine to get added to rep Kirby 64.  The possibilities with the art easel attacks are tremendous.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on January 19, 2020, 07:13:55 am
I don't get why Marx and Magalor constantly comes up. If Krystal and Bomberman and Shovel Knight and even Knuckles are assists, he should be too. Not a fan of the "boss" thing. Way too underutilized and random, like every single other thing about Smash.

All Kirby would really need is Gooey, Ado, or Bandanna Dee. City Trial stage. Not a single remix. A stage. Get rid of Halberd or make a Subspace Emmisary stage.

I think whoever wherever needs to push to have Gannondorf have decloned special moves before even thinking of Midna or another silly Toon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 19, 2020, 07:18:48 am
Why is obvious; they're among if not the best villains of the franchise, and Smash could use more villains to play as.  Also being vaguely human-sized to fit into a fighter also helps.  If Ridley was a challenge to get proportionally right, you would not be seeing Void Termina or 0² as playable characters.  Marx conveniently fits the billing to be both.

Also isn't Ganondorf decloned enough?  Perhaps throw in his spear for an aerial and some lightning ball effects, but otherwise unless they plan on re-introducing flight mechanics like Brawl then he's fine for the OoT Ganondorf template he's filling in now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on January 19, 2020, 02:39:54 pm
Quite honestly... I expected this and I laughed at every comment I have seen that says "Fuck Fire Emblem, Stupid Waifu Simulators and Weebos" TBH Dante never had a chance and it was a rumor people were getting over hyped about, who remembers the "BIG Grinch Leak" and the disappointment about Ken and Incenaroar who weren't the rumored 9, Hmm? I am going to keep laughing just like I did about Corrin's announcement back in Smash 4 because the salt is so good for us Fire Emblem fans. lol Also yes Altair and Cuphead Mii Costume awesome I love those.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 19, 2020, 04:47:00 pm
Its not necessarily hate for Fire Emblem or even for that protagonist specifically. Its simply because with all the characters from surprising and well known franchises, everyone expected the last one from the current pass to be something surprising as well, yet we got more of the same.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 19, 2020, 08:39:22 pm
Even among Fire Emblem characters, Byleth is one of the least interesting characters they could've gone with, both visually and in terms of personality.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 21, 2020, 12:12:52 am
That's something else I've noticed gaining traction online.  Now, I don't play Fire Emblem, but there seems to be a consensus that people really don't like the Lords, your main characters each game, and all the attention is put into the side characters?  I thought this just your silent protagonist syndrome like Link or Samus requiring you to either project your wanted personality traits on them or else read outside materials but A) Link/Samus are enjoyable without those anyways and B) I guess the Lords do talk and have some bare bones form of personality?  Not that Byleth did speak even once for their reveal.

If this player stand-in is that much of a dullard, I really don't see why Sakurai would go for them over other more prominent FE characters.  I'm kinda left to believe he likes the series and would feel somewhat similar?  Or at least see why people want this Tiki or Hector people from the series instead.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 21, 2020, 01:29:06 am
Protagonist trumps supporting cast.  If you're going to rep a game you start with the character the player spends the most time with, not just the ones the hardcore fandoms have gravitated toward.  Believe me, if it were up to me I'd trade Robin, Lucina, and Chrom all at once to get Tharja or Donnel in instead, but I also realize why that's actually a terrible idea.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 21, 2020, 11:02:57 am
Conversely, while not a full character as such, they went with Sans to rep UT.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on January 21, 2020, 11:53:03 am
To be fair, I would consider the Sans situation to be something of a special case per se.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 21, 2020, 01:00:18 pm
The thing is I don't think Fire Emblem's characters have that much popularity to justify any of them being added over the protagonist. If it was a very popular character, like how Pikachu was playable in Smash 64 instead of Red, then its justifiable, because Pikachu ended up becoming the mascot of the franchise because of the anime, so his popularity outshined Red's, but in Fire Emblem, there is no character even close to be in that situation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on January 21, 2020, 01:06:47 pm
Well people want Isaac (or mathew) from golden sun and literally no else despite way more interesting characters to choose from particularly the villians. I personally wanted either Sveta or Saturos to rep golden sun but it seems like everybody else wants a bland quiet boi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 21, 2020, 01:24:28 pm
Enough talking about Byleth, okay? What is done, is done.
Yeah. I was upset at first, but now I'm starting to like him/her.
Can we talk about the season 2 of Smash?
What are we expecting this time?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 21, 2020, 01:36:21 pm
A Pokémon from SwSh, probably Cinderace.

I don't want it, but I'm expecting it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 21, 2020, 03:21:43 pm
A Namco-Bandai rep just so the rest of the Namco Mii Costumes can be released.  KOS-MOS, Jin Kazama, someone from God Eater, someone from Tales, someone from .hack.

A Pokémon from SwSh, probably Cinderace.
We are getting Kubfu to promote the new expansion pass and you can't stop them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on January 21, 2020, 07:14:40 pm
Who I want: Sora(even though i know he has no chance lmao), Pyra, Dante, 2B(yes, yes not a "good girl", i know) and Eggman.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on January 21, 2020, 08:06:36 pm
My biggest hope has to be Dr. Eggman, and it's been like that ever since the Sm4sh days.

An ARMS character would be really cool, too! (Twintelle?)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 22, 2020, 12:45:22 am
Nier: Automata is still on my to-do list (Apparently you have to play the whole game through three times to get the true story, which consistently pushes it back further down that list), but I don't recall 2B being as obtusely sexualized in the actual media pertaining to the game, nothing that couldn't be mildly edited to fit into Smash like Corrin, essentially the same issue with showing two much skin on the legs.  The fanbase on the other hand, that's a whole other story.  However, 2B kinda fits that same outlier case that Sans has, Automata is just a spin-off but apparently one hell of a successful spin-off that eclipsed the original to the point I don't even remember the name of the guy from the original, just the story on how they designed two versions of the guy for Eastern and Western audiences.

If they want anime swordsmen so badly though, I'll take one with, like, 7 swords all floating around telepathically over another guy with blue hair.  Soul Calibur made her seem neat.  And there aren't many robots on the roster, for what that's worth.

I jest, but really, the anime swordsman thing wouldn't be remotely as big a pain as it is if they were from other series, Cloud is exceptionally better than everything past Marth and Roy because it covers a whole other series with its own fanbase.  Even if they did get shafted with the song variety given.  And yeah, I'd adore them adding Sora, Crono, Dante or something just NOT FE's sword users.

Dunno who to actively expect, the only one I cared about that went out of their way to decomfirm was 343 saying no, Master Chief won't be in Smash.  Which is a shame, but I suppose that prevents people who don't play Doom and Halo throwing up arms about two green space marines making it in, if DoomGuy shows up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 22, 2020, 01:30:33 am
For Nintendo reps give me Skapon, Urban Champ, Kururin or something from Advance Wars.

Only swordfighter I want is Adol Christin. Only Namco character I want is Klonoa.

Also f*** all these modern characters people want, I'd rather have more classic characters (as in, anything from 5th gen and before).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 22, 2020, 01:39:34 am
I'm still pulling for Porky Minch, but that dream is looking farther and farther away.

I maintain that Travis Touchdown would be an amazing addition, and timely with No More Heroes 3 on the horizon.  Western indie games have been getting a surprising amount of representation in Ultimate, so I wouldn't rule out seeing an indie rep in the next pass.  But since the biggest ones of the past couple of years (Shovel Knight, Shantae, Undertale, Cuphead) are already spoken for in one manner or another, I'm not sure who would be most likely.  Hollow Knight?  Hat Kid, maybe?

A Pokémon from SwSh, probably Cinderace.

I don't want it, but I'm expecting it.
I feel like Rillaboom wouldn't be a terrible addition, if only to be the Grass-type equivalent to Greninja and Incineroar.  I bet Sakurai could do some cool shit with a fighter who uses a drum as a weapon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 22, 2020, 01:55:06 am
When it comes to indie reps, the one that comes to mind is Gris, tho that it likely reserved for a Spirit event.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 22, 2020, 02:32:23 am
Also f*** all these modern characters people want, I'd rather have more classic characters (as in, anything from 5th gen and before).
Isn't the 6th generation the timeframe around 2000?  That's 20 whole years you're skipping, that's not only just barely under Smash's lifetime, but over the age for someone to have gone from birth to adulthood and then some to gloss over.  PS2, Gamecube, Xbox and I guess Dreamcast sorta makes that list, and they all have plenty of classics.

Also isn't Half-Life from around that generation, if from PC and not console?  Because I'd kill for Gordan Freeman.  Oh, the things you can do with a Gravity Gun, it'd be F.L.U.D.D. supercharged.  Half-Life's had weirder crossovers, it showed up in Final Fantasy XV.  For God knows what reasons.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 22, 2020, 06:11:33 am
Also f*** all these modern characters people want, I'd rather have more classic characters (as in, anything from 5th gen and before).
How funny that you would use "classic" and "modern" as a classification for those characters. Do you even know that those words mean? I don't think so, allow me to clarify that for you: classic literally means "judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind", while modern is something "relating to the present or recent times as opposed to the remote past", simple Google search. The reason I'm bringing this here is because some people, like you, think "classic" is something old and rotten that existed only back in the days movies had no color and sound, which isn't the case, a classic thing can be something from the latest console generation before the current (modern) one, which means that characters from the PS3, X360 and Wii era have already given us classics, regardless of what you think. So you have to forgive me for calling bullshit on you complaining about people asking for characters that are mostly from the PS2, Xbox and GameCube era and saying they're somehow not classic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 22, 2020, 02:11:54 pm
The next Spirit Board Event will feature characters from Kunio-kun. (https://twitter.com/smashbrosjp/status/1219786759694901248?s=21)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOtLIPyUcAEZmeq.jpg)

Well, there goes my sleeper pick for Fighter Pass 2.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on January 22, 2020, 11:48:40 pm
IMO, I feel that Fighter Pass 2 will be a 2-2-2 pattern: 2 Nintendo characters, 2 characters from well respected games and 2 from newer games

Nintendo Characters

Sword/Shield Rep - With incoming DLC for this game, it makes a ton of sense to get a rep from this game in ASAP
Waluigi - Like I said before, might as well give the goober a chance.

Well Respected Games

Dante - With the arrival of DMC3 Special Edition on the Switch, I thought that it was the perfect moment. I was wrong.. Still, hype for the series is at an all-time high.
Scorpion/Sub-Zero - Another thing to think about when it comes to adding characters is the impact on gaming a character has. While not well known to Japanese fans, the Mortal Kombat series is well loved in America. It also gives them a chance to put in another character from a Mature rated series... but with a twist. You could pull ideas and moves from Injustice to help round these characters out.

Newer Games

Indy Game Rep - There's plenty of choices for this rep since the major choices (Sans, Shovel Knight, Shantae) are all taken via Assist Trophies, Spirits or even Mii Costumes.
Wild Card - Like the name says.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 24, 2020, 06:19:44 am
Pointless wall of text
It is fine to disagree with someone's opinion. Now, if you want to contest said opinion you can do so by presenting proper arguments (like Long John Killer did) without resorting to a condescending tone to insult the person's intelligence/knowledge.

No, I don't think something from current or previous generation can be considered classic. Yes, I think the Pong Paddle of the L block from Tetris has more merit for being in a game like this than a pile of blocks from Minecraft or some dudebro from whatever ultraviolent FPS/crime simulator.

Another thing to think about when it comes to adding characters is the impact on gaming a character has.

This more or less sums up my opinion.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 25, 2020, 04:04:06 pm
If they were considering a Gen 8 rep, a possibility it might not even be one of the starters but one of the new Pokemon. It all depends on popularity they've gained. Rillaboom seemed like a very interesting choice as it can potentially become the first standalone Grass-type fighter. Using its drumsticks and drums to fight sounds something that wasn't done before for Smash. I know this is crazy but supposed they added Hsien-Ko from Darkstalkers. I mean she has crazy stuff up her sleeve and if she was in Smash, there's no telling if any of the items she has are Bob-ombs, Killing Edges, Death's Scythe and maybe a Fake Smash Ball. I would go "AIYAA" myself if that was to happen.

At this point, there's really no need to get our hopes that high since he already said these 6 fighters have already been selected. So for now, if you have the Fighters Pass, enjoy your roster of 82 fighters when Byleth is released.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 25, 2020, 06:25:06 pm
Can't wait for the "there's too much monkeys!" stuff.

Although, Toxtricity has been getting some popularity lately.  Not every Pokemon rep has to be a starter after all.  It could have an interesting moveset involving sound-based specials and it's also a Poison type so there's much creativity to be made from it.

Spoiler: Worth pointing out (click to see content)

Defiantly my choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 25, 2020, 07:47:40 pm
Is Toxtricity being pushed enough to be the next Lucario, though? I'm genuinely asking; other than actually playing the game I've been steering clear of Pokemon stuff in general (ironically enough, due to all the toxicity) so I don't know who's coming out as the face of this gen.

I know both Greninja and Incineroar made it in because Sakurai had reserved a spot for "a Pokemon from the most recent game" and picked them afterward because they had the most potential for unique Smash movesets, so maybe Toxtricity has a shot, but IDK how likely it actually is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 25, 2020, 08:20:02 pm
Of course if it is him, then people will probably start joking about how both Crash and Spyro managed to get in.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 25, 2020, 08:22:19 pm
Too early to tell, however it has been the most viewed Pokemon out of all the reps (https://twitter.com/joemerrick/status/1198900895259467777?lang=en) even more so than the Dragonite of Gen 8 Dragapult, and Cinderace.  Currrently the "face" of Gen 8 is Scorbunny, thanks to the current anime putting more focus into it yet it's Gou's partner.  However, it's a spirit alongside the other starters.

You can bet Toxtricity's pre-evo Toxel is bound to be Ash's new partner leading up to a big push.  Funny enough both Greninja and Incineroar were a part of Ash's team in the final episodes of their respective seasons.

I'd say I welcome our punk overlord.  Personally, I'd rather have him than another starter, even tho Sceptile would be just as great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 25, 2020, 08:57:10 pm
But Ash's Torracat evolved in the second to final episode of the season also, when it became Incineroar it was out cold but on its feet and we never got to see its battling capabilities. If it's not a Gen 8 starter that'll take the spot, it's either Obstagoon or Toxtricity but more likely Toxtricity because of its personality and its currently unreleased G-Max form, where it yields an electric guitar made entirely from Gigantamax Energy.

I'm waiting for Byleth to come out so I can get their voice clips and release an update of the Hurt and KO sounds compilation video, in which the current one surprisingly got over 12K views on YouTube.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 25, 2020, 10:54:47 pm
To me it's gonna be Klonoa.
Because Ultimate needs more Namco reps.
If this game got 3 Capcom reps, 3 Konami reps, 2 Square Enix reps and 2 Sega reps, why not another rep from Namco?
Since there's now other 6 empty slots, he might even get a chance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 25, 2020, 11:17:55 pm
Anyone else notice a bit of a bug with the new spirits event?  The numbering is off.  In the inventory, Lappy is spirit #1379 but then right next to that Kunio is listed as #1394.  Maybe the Byleth and Three Houses spirits were supposed to come first but somebody fucked up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on January 26, 2020, 12:49:18 am
Literally the only attention to Toxicitry I've seen is it being the logo of one of the prominent anti-Sword/Shield voices calling out Game Freak on their lies.  First I'm hearing it's that popular just for the pokemon itself.  I thought people liked the evil Gardevoir with the Mickey Mouse hat.  And/or are turned on by it being an evil Gardevoir with a witch hat that's also masochistic, I dunno, I knew to stay far away from the pokemon fanbase years ago for how horny it was and Game Freak tending to obliging to their fetishes.  I mean, they gave the shikigami pokemon a wedding dress mega evolution for both genders for some reason.  So maybe I'm just out of touch with what's popular with the fanbase outside discussing why Game Freak is literal Satan lately.  Which this reminds me though of the leak prior to Smash Ultimate's release around the time echoes were announced supposedly leaking Gardevoir being in with a Gothitelle echo because Japan apparently really liked Gothitelle in the popularity polls at some point?

Which frankly, yeah, I'd still take that addition, not that I hold any illusions at it being a reality as future DLC.  But Hatterene seemed like the most prominent non-starter, legendary or main/side character adjacent pokemon from generation 8, outside the game's PR shoving Wooloo down your throat for months.  I'd suppose Toxicitry could work find in Smash, but it's not a particularly interesting pick from the generation personally.  Heck, its one note to fame is playing it's....flabs of fat(?) as a literal electric guitar.  Dante could do that and exceedingly more-so as a character moveset.

I'd hope in getting that grass starter into Smash they really don't go with Rillaboom, it's just so god damn plain and uninterestingly designed and would much rather Sceptile, but I suspect if any of the starters get in it would be it. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 26, 2020, 06:04:56 am
Rillaboom seems like the logical choice for a Gen 8 Starter, because he would be the grass-type starter to complement Greninja's water-type and Incineroar's fire-type, I don't think they would add any Pokémon beyond the starters, I don't know why people are bringing Toxtricity up (whose name is being spelled wrong by some people here), because I don't really see him anywhere at all, if we were to look at prominence, the most logical one should be Corviknight, and even then, I doubt he would be placed over a starter, or the legendary wolves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 26, 2020, 06:14:00 am
Well the wolves are out of the question since they're spirits.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 27, 2020, 01:34:22 am
Of course, there's always the Gen 8 rep that would be objectively the best choice, but that none of us have done enough good on this earth to deserve.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 27, 2020, 08:50:20 am
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on January 27, 2020, 10:14:03 am
Honestly I think that Grimmsnarl could have been a pretty epic choice. Fairy and Dark? Awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on January 29, 2020, 03:33:04 am
New patch is live, Byleth is out.  He's... alright.  Closer to Ike than any other FE character in that he hits hard and he's slow as fuck.

I did really like how the theme of his classic mode is just "boy, there sure is a shitload of Fire Emblem in this game, huh?"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 29, 2020, 03:33:58 am
Byleth's not as bad. Cool victory theme and got some sick tracks for the FE stages. I also like the big buffs Samus and Dark Samus received. Also... what's with everyone getting shield size increases?

I did really like how the theme of his classic mode is just "boy, there sure is a shitload of Fire Emblem in this game, huh?"

Did you also forget that both hands kill ALL your allies as soon as the fight starts?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 29, 2020, 12:59:34 pm
I don't like how Byleth's down B is basically superior to Warlock Punch in every way that matters.

Also... what's with everyone getting shield size increases?

Working around the shield poking issue without actually getting rid of shield poking. You'll notice a few characters also got positional/intangibility changes in regards to their shielding animations in addition to the shield size buff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on January 29, 2020, 04:25:19 pm
Did the story mode with Byleth, and a 3v3 fight.

I think Byleth is ok. I don't care too much about the character itself.
I bought it for having a complete roster, and I don't think Byleth is bad or a waste of slot, and I will probably come around to enjoy them, like every other Smash character, but out of all DLC in Pack 1 I must say Terry Bogard is my favourite to play. Banjo is of course the one that got me most hype, and I think Joker is pretty decent. Hero is a bit too technical to just have fun with, and Byleth is more an Ike than any other FE which is not bad, a decent fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 06, 2020, 05:05:37 am
An early translation of Sakurai's latest Famitsu column (https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr4sfq) sheds some light on his own personal feelings about Byleth's inclusion.

If the translation is accurate, Sakurai himself acknowledges that there are too many Fire Emblem characters on the roster but the decision to include them is made by Nintendo, not by himself or anyone on his staff.  He also seems to admit that he feels there are too many sword users in Smash, which is why Byleth has so many different weapons with different properties; If he had to include a character he knew nothing about and wasn't particularly enthusiastic to work with, he was at least going to make every effort to make sure they were as unique as possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 06, 2020, 12:12:25 pm
That makes a Gen 8 Pokémon even more of a possibility, then, they would want to advertise the latest Pokémon games just as they're doing with Fire Emblem.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 13, 2020, 01:51:10 pm
A Brawl is surely brewing (https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1227396904893313025) for the next Spirit Board event.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQKk8tyVAAEqrCX?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on February 13, 2020, 07:25:08 pm
This is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on February 13, 2020, 08:44:16 pm
Wow, the Devil is gonna officially show up in Smash? :datass:

And I thought Abraham Lincoln was the most unexpected celebrity they ever managed to bring up here...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 19, 2020, 03:52:57 pm
Sakurai’s next column (https://gonintendo.com/stories/355193-sakurai-confirms-that-smash-bros-ultimate-dlc-support-ends-with) seems to confirm that the second Fighters Pass will be the last one.  Also that there aren’t any current plans for the next Smash Bros title at this time.

Good, I say.  Let the poor man have a break.  He’s been working on Smash Bros nonstop since Sm4sh started development.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2020, 04:20:18 pm
  Let the poor man have a break
it's japan, breaks are dishonorable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on February 20, 2020, 03:14:54 am
I hope this is the final Smash game and hope this DLC pack is the final one because there's absolutely no way the next Smash game will be as epic as this. Sakurai deserves the break he needs because he worked his butt off trying to get all these fighters to work.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 20, 2020, 02:45:46 pm
I hope this is the final Smash game and hope this DLC pack is the final one because there's absolutely no way the next Smash game will be as epic as this. Sakurai deserves the break he needs because he worked his butt off trying to get all these fighters to work.

I agree with around 10 dlc characters now that should be enough of that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 20, 2020, 11:08:58 pm
You know it's not going to be the final Smash game...

Nintendo will keep making Smash games with or without Sakurai.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NoilKaizen on February 20, 2020, 11:53:14 pm
There can be a new Smash game. However, it can't go the direction of "Ultimate but with more stuff", but it'll have to change things up a lot in order to have a smaller scale, but also stay fresh. Perhaps more single player content (I wouldn't even mind fleshing out Spirit mode to be a bit more engaging than what it is, the heart is in the right place, but it has a good amount of issues), or with a big new mechanic or two.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 21, 2020, 01:28:46 am
The last two were also the last Smash games that were going to be made.  The series will continue with or without him, it's just a matter of quality upon his departure.  Hopefully by then it will be on agreeable terms though and it's something like those studying under him take the reins.  Because he does deserve a break from this at some point.

Beggers can't be choosers, but since they confirmed this second pass is the only thing they got planned, boy do I hope it's a jaw-dropping selection.  Kinda goes without saying, most would probably agree, but while I'm sure the series will survive beyond Sakurai, it's not like we should be expecting a new title any time remotely soon so the bigger the send-off the better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 21, 2020, 01:55:06 am
To be perfectly clear, the article only says that "no future Smash Bros games are being planned at this time" and not "there are no plans to ever do another Smash Bros game."   Obviously the series will eventually continue, they're just not planning on a sequel to Ultimate any time soon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 21, 2020, 01:58:29 am
Yeah, it is very naive to think just because Sakurai will (or not) leave, they will never make another Smash game. Its true that this one is the best of the series by far, and with the ammount of franchises it brought, it pretty much became an offical MUGEN of sorts, which makes it incredibly unique among other games (aside from its gameplay, of course), but there is no reason for us to believe that such a successful series will just vanish.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 29, 2020, 04:24:53 am
For absolutely no discernable reason, a single spirit from Warframe was added during the latest spirit board event.

(https://www.siliconera.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/super-smash-bros-ultimate-warframe-lotus.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 29, 2020, 11:22:19 am
Technically two since you can enhance her.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 08, 2020, 09:17:39 am
We truly live in a weird timeline, huh...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on March 10, 2020, 05:56:18 am
Wave 2 DLC predictions, but with a few actually interesting facts thrown in there -



Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 11, 2020, 02:06:22 am
I sincerely doubt most of those will ever be included:

- Birdo is extremely unlikely with Waluigi being the most requested Mario character
- The Prince didn't have a game for a long while, and the last one he had wasn't that big of a deal, he isn't on the level of Sonic, who managed to get away with lots of garbage games (and even then, Sonic has some good ones as well)
- Sirfetch'd may be popular, but there are many more popular choices, like the starters, the legendary wolves and maybe even one of the upcoming DLCs
- Those stupid bears don't even need to be mentioned, nobody cares about them
- Shenmue had a niche audience whose last game had a very poor reception, nobody cares about Ryo
- Geno actually does have a chance, but even then, he was favored by the fans for a long time and Nintendo didn't do jack shit about it
- I could see the Xenoblade kids be added, but I still don't think they'd be favored over the competition
- The only other character from the Metal Gear franchise I can see added is Raiden, and with a small chance, Big Boss has pretty much nothing
- Crash has a quite high chance, you don't need "math" to get to him
- I can see the Contra Commandos be added, despite the franchise being pretty much dead, its still a classic
- I can see 2B getting in as well, but when it comes to modern games, she has lots of competition
- Dr. Eggman is a classic villain, and It surprises me how little people seem to care about him being added, I can see him making it in, but the chances aren't big

In conclusion: this is all bullshit, no math can predict the next group of DLCs, because its not a robot picking them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 11, 2020, 03:49:01 am
The Prince = Katamari?

Over a Tekken character? Yikes. Birdo is my favorite Mario character and that would be even more yikes than Rosalina's 1 game (as a major character not a character select by the time of Smash 4) ass. The only other Mario character should be Paper Mario.

Robotnik over another fast animal person though? I hope that is true. They couldn't even get Dr. Wily to work as a character, Robotnik has no chance sadly.

Which bears? What moveset would Lance from Contra even have? They're literal perfect assisst though.

Why couldn't Raiden have a chance, not counting... All-Stars...?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 11, 2020, 03:56:15 am
Quote
Sirfetch'd may be popular, but there are many more popular choices, like the starters, the legendary wolves....
Yet they are spirits.  Zarude so far from what I've seen hasn't really clicked on interest with the fanbase and neither are the new legendaries.

Only choices I see for a Galar rep is Toxtricity or Dragupult who was voted as the most popular Galar mon in Google's Pokemon of the Year polls with the former as the second best.  Still holding out on this one.  Then again Incineroar didn't became top Alola pick from said poll so take with truck loads of salt.

Of course, final starter evos might have a chance if Gamefreak wanna push promoting their DLC by introducing their new Giga formes for their Final Smashes.

Quote
Why couldn't Raiden have a chance, not counting... All-Stars...?
Cause Spirit.

I'm ok with Quiet along with MGS5 tracks.




And speaking of Spirits, Ring Fit spirits are coming (https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1237550841529126912).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 11, 2020, 04:18:32 am
The Prince = Katamari?

Over a Tekken character? Yikes. Birdo is my favorite Mario character and that would be even more yikes than Rosalina's 1 game (as a major character not a character select by the time of Smash 4) ass. The only other Mario character should be Paper Mario.

Robotnik over another fast animal person though? I hope that is true. They couldn't even get Dr. Wily to work as a character, Robotnik has no chance sadly.

Which bears? What moveset would Lance from Contra even have? They're literal perfect assisst though.

Why couldn't Raiden have a chance, not counting... All-Stars...?
Prince of Persia, watch the video. As a matter of fact, I had included Raiden as the example in my post, I deleted it by accident. Also, Robotnik cannot be made to work? With all possible references to his machines? Are you that low on imagination?

Quote
Sirfetch'd may be popular, but there are many more popular choices, like the starters, the legendary wolves....
Yet they are spirits.  Zarude so far from what I've seen hasn't really clicked on interest with the fanbase and neither are the new legendaries.

Only choices I see for a Galar rep is Toxtricity or Dragupult who was voted as the most popular Galar mon in Google's Pokemon of the Year polls with the former as the second best.  Still holding out on this one.  Then again Incineroar didn't became top Alola pick from said poll so take with truck loads of salt.

Of course, final starter evos might have a chance if Gamefreak wanna push promoting their DLC by introducing their new Giga formes for their Final Smashes.

Quote
Why couldn't Raiden have a chance, not counting... All-Stars...?
Cause Spirit.

I'm ok with Quiet along with MGS5 tracks.
Honestly, I doubt "spirits" will keep characters away from too long. Sure, its true that, among the current DLC cast, none were spirits before, but some spirits are just too important to keep out, they can just swap the spirits for something else and make the character DLC regardless.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 11, 2020, 04:36:10 am
Trust me I collect Donald edits I think I have imagination.

Spirits are just the worst too...

Also, read again. I said Lance Bean has very little moveset potential. Robotnik just spewing machine parts out of his body would look like shit outside of Mugen, though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on March 11, 2020, 08:39:19 pm
Nah, just put him in a compact mecha - ala Tron Bonne, or even Bowser Jr. - and he could still offer some real fresh stuff. ;)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty



EDIT:
Yo, listen to the first 20 minutes of this video. They just happen to give some pretty consistent thoughts about this particular topic too :P:





EDIT2:
Well, because there's no much activity or news to comment upon lately, I just feel like throwing another pretty solid (totally not just because it almost lines up with my personal wishes) list: :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on March 19, 2020, 02:47:28 am
While Crash Bandicoot is my number one wish for this DLC wave (as with the first, really), I have really come around to love the idea of Dr. Eggman to be a new playable. Honestly they made a really solid and compelling case, while also acknowleding the importance of Eggman's role as a video game character. Would fit very well into Smash.


Also: Page 100 hype.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 19, 2020, 05:37:52 am
Robotnik.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 19, 2020, 05:40:45 am
Unfortunately, it would be Eggman that gets in. I would like to daydream of a Robotnik/Classic echo, but looking at Sonic's alt situation makes me realize that won't be official.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on March 26, 2020, 03:47:36 pm
well, after we got a fire emblem three houses character named byleth, we're officially gonna get an ARMS character finally since spring man is an assist trophy and Spring man, ribbon girl, min min, twintelle, and ninjara are spirits

which character do you think will be actually playable for smash?

I'm thinking the final boss max brass would be in
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on March 26, 2020, 03:58:13 pm
Eh, I was thinking that Dr. Coyle would get in...tho I wouldn't hold my breath (Would be cool tho)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 26, 2020, 04:42:06 pm
This could be interesting.  I mean, an ARMS character in general is a great idea (I’m picturing Little Mac with range and an actual recovery), but all the most likely candidates are already spoken for.  So either it’s going to be some left-field rando instead of a main character again like Piranha Plant, or we’re about to see an assist trophy or Mii costume get promoted.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on March 26, 2020, 04:43:13 pm
I really hope it's not Spring Man because I wouldn't hear the end of all those Isaac and Shadow Fanboys
And I REALLY hope it's not Ribbon girl, Min min, Twintelle or Ninjara because I wouldn't hear the end of the Geno fanboys
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 26, 2020, 04:55:30 pm
Spring Man is the first character to seed the idea of promoting assist trophies to playable status, all to lead up the big reveal that the final character in the game will be Waluigi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 26, 2020, 05:05:52 pm
I want Kid Cobra or DNA Man.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 26, 2020, 05:23:49 pm
Why the sudden ARMS speculation? Did I miss a hint?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 26, 2020, 05:27:23 pm
Nintendo Direct today announced a non-specific ARMS character as the next fighter, out in June.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on March 26, 2020, 05:28:55 pm
Nintendo Direct today announced a non-specific ARMS character as the next fighter, out in June.
beat me to it.
Spoiler: screenshot from the direct (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 26, 2020, 05:30:04 pm


There ya go
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 26, 2020, 05:30:21 pm
I'm hoping for Twintelle since they flubbed so hard with Mai during the Terry reveal... but, I think they may head in a different direction.

Gotta keep Smash pure for the good boys and girls, you know. ;)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 26, 2020, 05:38:23 pm
I never played ARMS, do those characters have unique attacks? If not, I could easily see "ARMS fighter" being a character and each alt would be someone from that game's roster. Otherwise, I think Spring Man is the most likely one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 26, 2020, 07:40:05 pm
I never played ARMS, do those characters have unique attacks? If not, I could easily see "ARMS fighter" being a character and each alt would be someone from that game's roster. Otherwise, I think Spring Man is the most likely one.

Each of the characters had different parts you could put on and some characters, like Twintelle, had their 'ARMS' in other locations (with her, it was her twin pigtails). Byte and Barq are a tandem team similar to how Duck Hunt and Banjo-Kazooie would work. Mechanica is a teenage girl in a mecha.

There are plenty of options here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on March 26, 2020, 09:11:02 pm
OH SHIT, how did I miss this!? :fear:

So, a ARMS character officially confirmed, heh? That's actually great news. ;D

(Thank GOD, real news! Those YT speculations with the same old lads in the thumbnail were starting to become saturated...)



Well then! My biggest hopes go for Twintelle - DAT personality, seriously :sweetheart:

...but it would also be pretty cool to see Mechanica (cuz Tron Bonne archetype) and Lola Pop (cuz... she's basically a cooler version of MM8's Clown Man!)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 26, 2020, 09:17:43 pm
I never played ARMS, do those characters have unique attacks? If not, I could easily see "ARMS fighter" being a character and each alt would be someone from that game's roster. Otherwise, I think Spring Man is the most likely one.

I was thinking the same thing, like they could normalize the gameplay and just make all the different characters differnet skins, kind of like what was done for dragon quest hero.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 27, 2020, 04:30:39 am
I was thinking the same thing, like they could normalize the gameplay and just make all the different characters differnet skins, kind of like what was done for dragon quest hero.

Or Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings. If it comes to that, then I'd say the most popular characters are in or those who have the same structure (I mean, most of them do, besides Robo-Cop and Tron Bonne.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 28, 2020, 01:25:58 am
This is pure speculation on my part, but it occurred to me that Ribbon Girl might be a likely candidate because Ultimate has set a precedent of characters used for Mii costumes being turned into fully playable characters.  Inkling, K. Rool, and Isabelle all had Mii fighter skins in Sm4sh (and IIRC they still do) before they were playable in Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 28, 2020, 02:57:03 am
Personally I want Dr. Coyle to be this newcomer mainly for the fact we need a villian rep from any series and she can create a gimmick involving invisiblity during a knocked down state.

There is speculation that this newcomer is from a rumored ARMS sequel and is there to promote it.  Basically like Roy in Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 28, 2020, 03:51:28 am
Just a villain to represent the entire series in a game about representing series instead of their main star or closest equivalent, at least for something so new as Arms, would come across a little odd to me.  To someone who'd never played nor heard of Arms, to then learn of it through Smash, get interested in it, only to find they won't be playing as the character they've become accustomed to in Smash would probably be disappointing.  At least as the first character showing from said series in Smash, anyways.  Like, M. Bison's a lot cooler a character than Ryu, but prior to his addition in Smash 4 if I were to expect a SF character to show, it would obviously have either been Ryu or Chun-Li.

I haven't touched Hero in a while and pretty much never use Bowser Jr. so how different are their different model animations across all their different skins?  Because if they are fairly different enough to take into account their different sized bodies and equipment to still be performing the same moves, I'd see them doing the all-in-one deal with the Arms cast.  Besides the hair woman and I think there's a robot with a dog, they all essentially perform similar moves in their own game that could be all merged into one Smash character.  Wouldn't be surprised if it is just one of them, that is asking for a lot, but it also being first-party leads me to believe they would put the extra effort in for their own characters.

Also, why are weaponized-hair women a reoccurring trait in Smash predictions/requests I've noticed?  Bayonetta set a very bizarre precedent.  I'm not helping wanting Midna and Shantae, but still.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 28, 2020, 03:54:31 am
All of the Koopalings in Bowser Jr. were basically shrunk to Jr.'s size and crammed into that clown car. It looks really weird.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on March 28, 2020, 05:57:49 am
It's the same with Robin too.  Male Robin's height got shrunk down so he'd be the same height as female Robin.

I'm actually hoping for Dr. Coyle too.  Of the ARMS cast, her design is cool, and her theme is awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on March 28, 2020, 06:57:10 am
We all know its going to be Twintail :P
Cuz this vvv
(https://i.imgur.com/hnn6yWi.jpg)
Come on we all think the same thing here right?
I personally want Brass but I know it won't happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 28, 2020, 07:22:15 am
Just a villain to represent the entire series in a game about representing series instead of their main star or closest equivalent, at least for something so new as Arms, would come across a little odd to me.  To someone who'd never played nor heard of Arms, to then learn of it through Smash, get interested in it, only to find they won't be playing as the character they've become accustomed to in Smash would probably be disappointing.  At least as the first character showing from said series in Smash, anyways.
Pretty much. Despite thinking that it was a possibility for all Arms characters to be condensed into one, like Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings, these ones can afford to share the same moveset like that simply because they belong to one of, if not the most famous video game franchise in history. On the other side of the coin, there is Dragon Quest Hero, which comes from a much smaller franchise than Mario, but condensed multiple characters into one, though I assume, due to him just being called "Hero" that they are nameless avatars for the player that don't have as much prestige as Link to have their own official names. With Arms, though, they're not nameless avatars nor they're secondary characters from a huge franchise, so they need specific representation, which likely means the most notable members of the game will appear, likely one of those shown right in the game's cover: Spring Man or Ribbon Girl, most likely the former, since the latter is not in focus despite delivering an attack.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 28, 2020, 12:44:05 pm
I agree that it's much more likely they'll go with the face of the game before the less prominent fan-favorites.  That's why Three Houses got Byleth and not Claude or Edelgard.  Or why Sakurai had to wait until all of the important Mario characters were playable first before he could get away with adding Piranha Plant.

That being said, I can't help but think it's not going to be Spring Man.  Not because of the assist trophy aspect, but because I feel like if it was just him they wouldn't be acting so coy about it.  Going back to the Street Fighter example, think about if back in Sm4sh instead of just announcing Ryu, they showed a teaser saying "Street Fighter is coming to Smash Bros!  Who could it be?" and showed a picture of the entire SSF4 roster, then let people speculate for two months before announcing it was Ryu.  It'd be super weird for them to frame it as a big surprise only to lead into revealing the most obvious choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on March 28, 2020, 01:29:49 pm
Just let it be Spring Man. That way way I can hold out hope for other Assist Trophies getting promoted to playable *cough*Waluigi*cough*.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 28, 2020, 02:10:04 pm
On the other side of the coin, there is Dragon Quest Hero, which comes from a much smaller franchise than Mario, but condensed multiple characters into one, though I assume, due to him just being called "Hero" that they are nameless avatars for the player that don't have as much prestige as Link to have their own official names.

Not only is Dragon Quest as big a franchise as Mario (probably bigger), it actually has way more prestige than Zelda. This is something westerners can't really fathom, in Japan the franchise is not only the best selling game franchise of all, its games always come out on fridays so people won't skip work/school to play them. The heroes being nameless avatars or being condensed into a single character have nothing to do with prestige.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 28, 2020, 03:58:41 pm
On the other side of the coin, there is Dragon Quest Hero, which comes from a much smaller franchise than Mario, but condensed multiple characters into one, though I assume, due to him just being called "Hero" that they are nameless avatars for the player that don't have as much prestige as Link to have their own official names.

Not only is Dragon Quest as big a franchise as Mario (probably bigger), it actually has way more prestige than Zelda. This is something westerners can't really fathom, in Japan the franchise is not only the best selling game franchise of all, its games always come out on fridays so people won't skip work/school to play them. The heroes being nameless avatars or being condensed into a single character have nothing to do with prestige.
Dragon Quest never came even close to be as big as Mario. Mario is almost synonym with games that people who don't even play games will always know, Dragon Quest isn't even close to that, it is niche at best, get your facts right.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on March 28, 2020, 04:34:51 pm
Not only is Dragon Quest as big a franchise as Mario (probably bigger)
There is not a single VG franchise that is bigger than Mario. The guy can compete with Mickey Mouse in popularity dammit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on March 29, 2020, 12:26:42 am
There is not a single VG franchise that is bigger than Mario. The guy can compete with Mickey Mouse in popularity dammit.
Ha, I am laughing at this because it is true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on March 29, 2020, 01:00:18 am
Who the fuck is Mickey Mouse?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 29, 2020, 01:19:36 am
The star of the infamous horror title Epic Mickey, of course.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 29, 2020, 01:49:06 am
Dragon Quest isn't even close to that, it is niche at best, get your facts right.

Even if its not close to Mario, it is not niche at all. It is a bigger franchise than Final Fantasy, for example. You get your facts right.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 29, 2020, 01:58:02 am
Dragon Quest's massive popularity is entirely exclusive to Japan.  It has always struggled to reach even a fraction of the same level of interest or sales in any other market.  It's successful enough in general, sure, but it's not even remotely close to the international, medium-defining juggernaut you're portraying it as.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 29, 2020, 04:29:19 am
Dragon Quest isn't even close to that, it is niche at best, get your facts right.

Even if its not close to Mario, it is not niche at all. It is a bigger franchise than Final Fantasy, for example. You get your facts right.
Dragon Quest doesn't come close to Final Fantasy either, you poor deluded fanboy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 29, 2020, 05:33:37 am
I can't say for residents in Japan for Dragon Quest, but I recall people were legit naming children Tifa and Sephiroth after FFVII during its time in the limelight just as people were with Harry Potter and Game of Thrones character names.  I likewise don't know the money brought in from a local base, as big as Japan still is, compared to one of the biggest RPG series on the globe, maybe it is that ingrained into people there to buy every copy of anything ever DQ related to reasonably match or something.

But just from global reception Dragon Quest is a blip on the map compared to Final Fantasy's recognition to the genre and video game progression as a whole.  By this point I don't think you're allowed to not know who Cloud Strife is, compared to...heck, the only named DQ characters I know are Dai and Erdrick.  Which is cool and all they made it into Smash (Shame it was just the male version, remember my second playthrough of DQ3 gender swapping the cast better than my initial playthrough, but still it's something) but doesn't exactly compare.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 29, 2020, 06:59:47 pm
I can't say for residents in Japan for Dragon Quest, but I recall people were legit naming children Tifa and Sephiroth after FFVII during its time in the limelight just as people were with Harry Potter and Game of Thrones character names.  I likewise don't know the money brought in from a local base, as big as Japan still is, compared to one of the biggest RPG series on the globe, maybe it is that ingrained into people there to buy every copy of anything ever DQ related to reasonably match or something.

But just from global reception Dragon Quest is a blip on the map compared to Final Fantasy's recognition to the genre and video game progression as a whole.  By this point I don't think you're allowed to not know who Cloud Strife is, compared to...heck, the only named DQ characters I know are Dai and Erdrick.  Which is cool and all they made it into Smash (Shame it was just the male version, remember my second playthrough of DQ3 gender swapping the cast better than my initial playthrough, but still it's something) but doesn't exactly compare.

Yes, in Japan DQ is a massive juggernaut, and it is indeed bigger than Final Fantasy, while in the rest of the world it just doesn't have the same popularity it enjoys in its home country. Its just like you said, its something ingrained in their culture, it is like trying to explain why El Chavo del Ocho is so massively popular in Latin America.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 31, 2020, 03:56:12 am
So after spending some time with ARMS thanks to that trial period Nintendo's giving everyone, I have to say I'm not sold on the idea of a Koopa Kids scenario anymore.  Sure you can mix and match loadouts to let some characters use other's attacks, but every character has enough unique mobility and defense options that they all play very differently.  Smooshing them all onto one reskinned moveset wouldn't feel right.  It'd be like if all the Street Fighter shotos were alts for Ryu.  It'd technically work in a very broad sense, but it wouldn't really be doing right by the characters or their fans.

Also I'm now Team Lola Pop for Smash don't @ me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Meldo on April 01, 2020, 02:41:53 pm


Nintendo just revealed today that Duke Nukem's coming to Smash Ultimate. I dunno about you but this is fuckin' hype.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on April 01, 2020, 02:51:03 pm
Yeah, nice April Fools' vid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on April 01, 2020, 03:13:25 pm
Nope. Cigars and very bad language from Duke Nukem is NOT for good boys and girls of many different ages.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RagingRowen on April 01, 2020, 03:15:13 pm
Nope. Cigars and very bad language from Duke Nukem is NOT for good boys and girls of many different ages.

Fixed it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 01, 2020, 05:17:50 pm
Saw this randomly on the internet, lovely:
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/807/540/67f.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Sheng Long on April 02, 2020, 01:27:06 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq6OqOP7ziM[/youtube]

Nintendo just revealed today that Duke Nukem's coming to Smash Ultimate. I dunno about you but this is fuckin' hype.

*Insert Sarcastic Laugh*

Har har, very funny. No. NOPE, not falling for it.
1. It's a fake account, which a user renamed itself to (Nintendo) just for attention..
2, the video itself is just not convincing enough to be official.

Nice try though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 02, 2020, 02:27:08 am
Well the anime avatar it had earlier was a big hint.

Saw this randomly on the internet, lovely:
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/807/540/67f.png)
Except Doc has a mobile game so...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 05, 2020, 04:02:27 pm
Didn't get mentioned before, but there's a spirit event (https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1245184107493154816) going on now for Animal Crossing New Horizons with a few new spirits to collect:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUGm9ULUYAMrbBB.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on April 08, 2020, 07:27:37 pm
I got some good news about Fighters pass volume 2:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/smash-ultimate-director-will-continue-to-work-on-d/1100-6475727/

so that means sakurai will have to video chat with some other video game companies
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 22, 2020, 05:14:25 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1252764057553080323

Next Spirit Event will feature Square Enix's Trials of Mana to promote their upcoming title.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on May 16, 2020, 05:44:06 pm
Okay, pls spread the word.

This is the most accurate Fighters Pass 2 prediction you will ever see:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 17, 2020, 09:32:37 am
Accurate compared to what?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on May 17, 2020, 10:20:29 am
...I don't get the joke with Kirby.  I get the piss take with everyone else making fun of all the repetitive nearly exact same wishlists people throw up online, and people do keep saying there's going to be a gen 8 Pokémon, for god knows what reason they expect the Smash DLC to also be the Pokémon DLC monkey fella.  I don't really see anyone calling for a blue haired guy from Kid Icarus or Pokémon?  Well, expect Dunkey. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGLMi9kXTRI)  Heck, I think people have mentally blocked Kid Icarus having anyone new after Dark Pit.  Unless it's a weird attempt at saying it's another Marth after the last one we got?  Or I'm just looking too deep into it.

I like the more exotic wishlists with Kamek or 2B something that's clearly not going to happen.  Give me some hope for something cool before crushing it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on May 17, 2020, 10:31:59 am
I think it was a joke, but I might be wrong! In any case I'll comment the rest in spoiler.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on May 17, 2020, 12:17:57 pm
Obviously it's a joke, just the fifth one's a weird joke and not sure which way he means it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on May 17, 2020, 02:16:03 pm
At a guess, I think the joke is that the fifth character is going to be another rep from a franchise that fans feel is already too heavily represented, which is why it's a combination of Fire Emblem, Pokemon, and Kid Icarus, and also has another Link thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on May 17, 2020, 02:29:55 pm
I'd question anyone who thought Kid Icarus had too much representation.  What it has is wasted potential with Dark Pit.  His inclusion alone isn't an issue, it's the barebones attempt at distinguishing himself a whole Smash game later.  And I don't even play the series, I'm just aware he's considerably less a clone in his own game in more ways than not other than the most literal in that he is genetically a clone.  And Zelda, ho boy could that use both a practically a whole series of character reworkings and more additions.  I can't imagine any real blowback from either getting a new character unless it's, like, Link to the Past/Link Between Worlds version of Link, playing the same but with the Fire Rod instead of bombs.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on May 26, 2020, 09:49:48 pm
I'd question anyone who thought Kid Icarus had too much representation.  What it has is wasted potential with Dark Pit.  His inclusion alone isn't an issue, it's the barebones attempt at distinguishing himself a whole Smash game later.  And I don't even play the series, I'm just aware he's considerably less a clone in his own game in more ways than not other than the most literal in that he is genetically a clone.  And Zelda, ho boy could that use both a practically a whole series of character reworkings and more additions.  I can't imagine any real blowback from either getting a new character unless it's, like, Link to the Past/Link Between Worlds version of Link, playing the same but with the Fire Rod instead of bombs.


I mean, Dark Pit literally plays like Pit in KI:U. However, Pit has SO MANY WEAPONS in that game, they could have easily come up with a distinct moveset using them. The Viridi or Pandora Claws, more focus on the staff he uses for his Final Smash. (Seriously, they could have gotten rid of the Daybreak item, and use it for his Final Smash instead.)

So... yeah, he was a super wasted opportunity. As was a lot of things in Smash....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 27, 2020, 05:02:09 am
Removing Twilight Link in any capacity was a garbage decision. They went out of their way to introduce the perfect solution for things like this, echoes, and they blew it. They blew it hard. They could have echoed him or make him at least a proper alt like Little Mac, Fire Emblem, or Olimar.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on May 27, 2020, 05:24:27 am
That is a problem with Zelda's structure of the main character and Smash needing to reflect the most current interpretation as a whole.  Which Ultimate hasn't gotten quite right either, not for nothing, we STILL have Other M Samus, which drives me up a god damn wall every time I want to play my favorite character that not only did we not get matching representation of Samus Returns as Link got BotW and Mario got Super Mario Odyssey likely for time and resource constraints, but it's still the version of Samus that is by a country mile the most controversial take of the character and the attempted franchise killer.

But yeah, that's why I said before it wouldn't be a good idea for something like a past Link to show up, regardless of how monumental to video game history LTTP is.  And while TP is my favorite Zelda title for its story and relation to OoT/MM, its Link interpretation isn't exactly top of the list and is kinda outdated by now.  I could settle if they actually did an echo like you suggest, but with the Hero of Time, arguably the most important and best Link of them all, not only to reflect his time in Smash prior but also to rep, you know, The Best Video Game Of All Time Bar None, but.....we already have Young Link more or less doing that.  Now, if there was a drastic overhaul of Young Link to more appropriately reflect his skillset as a child amongst OoT and MM, then a Hero of Time echo more akin to his previous Adult Link moveset would be appreciated.  Heck, that's where it would be best to throw in all the various older teen/young adult Links into one as skins, I'd play as pink-haired Link.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 05, 2020, 03:10:46 am
This week, in Smash fans are driving Sakurai insane (https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1268375494342266881) news:

Sakurai's latest Famitsu article talks about how he has a lot more time to play video games now that he and his team are all working from home, but he's become too nervous to talk about which games he's playing on social media or anywhere else because Smash Bros fans (Western fans in particular) always assume that any time he ever talks about a game it's a confirmation that that game is coming to Smash Bros.  So he's had to make it a habit of never mentioning any video game by name or attending any event or program involving any specific game, so fans don't mistakenly get their hopes up.

It must be so surreal to be Sakurai.  I can't think of any other famous game dev with a fan following so utterly bizarre and illogical in their devotion.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 05, 2020, 05:13:52 am
Well, considering fans went as far as noting his hand gestures as if they were hints for characters I can see where he's coming from.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 05, 2020, 06:29:08 am
Frankly, I'd say go in the other direction and just be incredibly candid and just nod and say "sure" to whoever and whatever people throw out, like Ed Boon.  It'll get people to wise up real fast.  People will speculate regardless, might as well have fun along with them.

Also that Akira picture of him in the thread is fantastic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 05, 2020, 06:35:20 am
Yeah, but Ed Boon is kind of a dick in that regard, some of the lies he says are completely unnecessary, like how he said that MK11 would only have Kronika as an NPC, while Cyrax and Sektor are both NPCs in it (despite the backlash they got with Rain, Baraka and Sindel in MKX), and no indication they'll be DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 05, 2020, 01:49:26 pm
Well, considering fans went as far as noting his hand gestures as if they were hints for characters I can see where he's coming from.

All things considered, it was a hint.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on June 05, 2020, 08:06:06 pm
If i was Sakurai, i'd troll the shit out of the fans.

Like a whole ass tweet thread about how much he loves the games he plays and if some dumbass jumps to conclusions so what?

When someone cant even speak about something they enjoy out of fear of some dumbasses making a fuss out of it, something is seriously wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 06, 2020, 02:01:53 am
Sakurai: Hey guys, so I've been playing this neat game called Bubsy.
Fans: OLOLOL BUBSY IN SMASH OLOLOL
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on June 06, 2020, 02:14:28 am
Sakurai: Hey guys, so I've been playing this neat game called Bubsy.
Fans: OLOLOL BUBSY IN SMASH OLOLOL

That my friends is what we call "Smash Fans in a Nutshell"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 06, 2020, 02:48:38 am
Well, considering fans went as far as noting his hand gestures as if they were hints for characters I can see where he's coming from.

All things considered, it was a hint.
Wait, really? Because if it was, he fucking deserves it. If not, then, yeah, its just crazy fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 06, 2020, 03:23:13 am
It was not a "hint," per se.  He did a weird thing in the Byleth reveal direct where he counted the number of Fire Emblem games in binary on one had, and whoever does the social media announcements took a still frame of what looked like him striking a pose during the middle of it, and used that as the promo image to announce the direct before it happened.  It was just a still image of him holding out three fingers, (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOM6CgsUcAAiZhu?format=jpg&name=900x900) that had no direct tie to Byleth in anyway.

Of course, the fans immediately assumed it was supposed to be a hint and started arguing over whether it was  "3" or "W" and what that allegedly confirmed.  Fans be crazy like that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 06, 2020, 03:28:02 am
I mean....it meaning the game Byleth came from, seeing he was counting up to the numbered title it was in the series, it was a hint in that case, just entirely misinterpreted because who the hell's expecting the take-away from his half-dab was to start counting in binary?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 06, 2020, 03:42:27 am
Sakurai: Hey guys, so I've been playing this neat game called Bubsy.
Fans: OLOLOL BUBSY IN SMASH OLOLOL
Followed by dozens upon dozens of theory vids many of which contain weird faces in thumbnails.  Smash community.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on June 06, 2020, 04:25:30 am
Sakurai: Hey guys, so I've been playing this neat game called Bubsy.
Fans: OLOLOL BUBSY IN SMASH OLOLOL

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/732/258/de7.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 06, 2020, 04:36:11 am
I mean....it meaning the game Byleth came from, seeing he was counting up to the numbered title it was in the series, it was a hint in that case, just entirely misinterpreted because who the hell's expecting the take-away from his half-dab was to start counting in binary?

Technically yes, but It's only a hint if you have the benefit of hindsight after already knowing what it was.  My point was that it was not intended as some cryptic cipher to be decoded by fans to figure out the next character.  Since it was cropped from the video it's almost certain that Sakurai didn't even know anyone would see that particular image before the direct aired. 

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single instance where there actually was a "hint" in the sense that the Western Smash fanbase has come to define it.  All those theories over screenshots, random tweets, potted plants and chair colors never once actually amounted to anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 06, 2020, 05:24:42 am
Remember when fans were so damn sure Dante would be the last fighter just because the DMC games were being ported to Switch? Or when they assumed Shantae would be in the game just because the trailer of the last game had a window which looked like the Smash logo?

The only time there ever was a hint was when they "accidentally" added that SNK copyright notice, which immediately led into Terry Bogard's reveal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 06, 2020, 08:17:02 am
I thought people were expecting Dante because V's voice actor went out on Twitter a few days prior and said he's excited over work one of his co-workers did for the upcoming Smash DLC?  Or something to that degree, I dunno, I don't mess with Twitter.  But that was what I thought the source of debate came from because I did see some tweet get spread around.

The Shantae one I remember but also remember it dying, like, within the day it came up because her lighthouse windows have always been like that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 06, 2020, 05:16:57 pm
V's voice actor was hinting at the next Marvel vs Capcom, actually.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 19, 2020, 04:19:11 pm
6/22 will showcase the ARMS fighter for roughly 35 minutes.

7am PT, 10am ET.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on June 19, 2020, 04:56:28 pm
Right, who could it be?

Probably Minmin, and I'm fine with that.
Preferably Springman or Ribbon Girl, but I'd come to love Minmin too with time. No dislike at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on June 19, 2020, 04:59:05 pm
Not a big fan of the series, but we talking about Smash Bros after all. So, time to bring a new fighter and some neat Mii Fighters costumes and maybe a teaser of the next fighter. No new fighter teaser other than Arms.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 19, 2020, 05:14:35 pm
i'm hoping for max brass the final boss of arms to be in but we'll see what happens it could be an ARMS character who's not both the spirit and an assist trophy
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 19, 2020, 07:25:41 pm
Good. I was needing something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2020, 11:41:13 pm
It's gonna come down to one of three criteria, I think.

If the priority is repping the main character of the game, it's Spring Man or Ribbon Girl.  More likely Ribbon Girl, because of past precedent upgrading Mii costumes to fighters.

If the priority is fan favorites, it's Min Min.  She won the last popularity contest.  Everyone likes to make the one joke about Twintelle, I know, but IMO she'd be a pretty bad representative of the game as a whole for the simple fact that her ARMS are not actually her arms.

If Sakurai was allowed to go full wild card and pick whoever he thinks is most interesting, I feel like that might be Dr. Coyle.  She has the most unique mechanics out of the ARMS roster, which would be more fun to work with translating into Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2020, 01:17:12 am
With all due respect to Arms, I'm just looking forward to moving on to the next character to speculate on by this point.  Unfortunately I didn't play Arms, so this wait is about on par with Joker's to me.  Though I imagine any Arms character will have more unique movepool than his, so that's something to look forward to at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on June 22, 2020, 03:55:05 pm
:)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 22, 2020, 04:08:27 pm
Well the Spirit floodgates have opened.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 22, 2020, 04:32:05 pm
It's Min Min. Very shitty choice, btw.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 22, 2020, 04:39:18 pm
It's Min Min. Very shitty choice, btw.

yay but to be fair that trailer here is way better than the other one
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 22, 2020, 04:46:54 pm
Min Min is the most popular character out of ARMS so its no surprise.

Now that Spirits can be their own fighter, this opens up the possibility of Rayman or Geno being added.

Also Heihachi returns as a Mii Costume meaning he is out of ever being playable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on June 22, 2020, 04:59:51 pm
Quote
Now, you might ask why Min Min out of all the fighters from ARMS?

To be honest, it's because Mr. Yabuki, the producer of ARMS, said, "I want Min Min."

Ok, I lol'd.  :mlol:


Well... it's not like Twintelle or Lola, but she's honestly kinda cool too. And so is Fall Out Boy.


(poor Mii Swordfighter got nothing this time,)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 22, 2020, 05:10:35 pm
I can't believe a spirit like Min Min became a playable character.
But I'm happy though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 22, 2020, 05:18:17 pm
Min Min is the most popular character out of ARMS so its no surprise.
According to whom?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CozySquirtle on June 22, 2020, 05:21:06 pm
Min Min is the most popular character out of ARMS so its no surprise.
According to whom?

This might be the answer your looking for...

If the priority is fan favorites, it's Min Min.  She won the last popularity contest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 22, 2020, 05:24:01 pm
Now that Spirits can be their own fighter, this opens up the possibility of Rayman or Geno being added.
Going to be fun enduring 2 years of Geno fanboys remaining hopeful that he will be a playable character.


By which I mean, no it won't. Geno is and will always be a terrible choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 22, 2020, 05:29:04 pm
I mean, personally I haven't even played Super Mario RPG but he's more interesting than a number of the roster already in, so I wouldn't be against it myself.  Wooden puppet Mega Man isn't a common character design choice, variety's interesting.  What, the only other character I can think of that's vaguely similar is that one villain from Naruto who tried to kill Sakura and an old lady, and that's about it.

Min Min is the most popular character out of ARMS so its no surprise.
According to whom?
During ARMS' run Nintendo had some poll amongst the community for who the most popular was.  Min Min won.  That's....about the whole story, really.  I guess she's the most "protagonist-inclined" without being as cookie cutter bland as Spring Man and Ribbon Girl to the fans, I dunno.

Like I said before, cool and all, glad she's more interesting than Joker move-wise, ready to move on to the next character though.  This one I'm more interested in trying out than Byleth at least though, so she's got that going.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 22, 2020, 05:29:24 pm
Watch the hopeful break in agony the moment the Geno Mii Costume returns.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 22, 2020, 05:31:18 pm
Twintelle was robbed
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 22, 2020, 05:40:47 pm
I mean, personally I haven't even played Super Mario RPG but he's more interesting that a number of the roster already in, so I wouldn't be against it myself.
I have. He was just your typical Mystical Guardian archtype. He wasn't a bad character, but he was nothing more than a side character that could easily be swapped by another.

And I doubt Ninty will go through Squareenix's hoops and hurdles again for him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on June 22, 2020, 05:43:56 pm
Geno will always be the most overrequested character ever existed from 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 22, 2020, 05:47:35 pm
Nah, that would be Waluigi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 22, 2020, 05:49:36 pm
Make that 15.  I still remember the Geno memes during Brawl's hype.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on June 22, 2020, 05:53:29 pm
Now that Spirits can be their own fighter, this opens up the possibility of Rayman or Geno being added.
Going to be fun enduring 2 years of Geno fanboys remaining hopeful that he will be a playable character.


By which I mean, no it won't. Geno is and will always be a terrible choice.

You sure you're not describing Sora? Cause he may or may not be always a terrible choice in retrospect.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 22, 2020, 06:04:57 pm
...That comment made no sense.  Nor is Sora even a spirit.  Amongst Kingdom Hearts' various issues, Sora is pretty far from them himself unless you don't like good guy protagonists in a "Light versus Dark" scenario.  Which is like saying Frodo's a bad character, in that case.

Frankly, going off the likes of Knuckles for the "Mystical Guardian" archtype....yeah, I still would like the weird anime Pinocchio over, like, half the Pokemon, the entire FE cast, some of the other Mario cast like Bowser Jr. or Wario (And I loved Wario Land when I was younger.  Never cared for this Warioware direction the series went in, though) and a number of these one-offs like Shulk or Villager.  Not that I'm going to pretend he's remotely more important to be in or anything ridiculous like that....just he's more interesting a character.

Anyways, on stuff actually shown off today, Vault Boy looks less like his cartoon form in the actual Fallout series or like a sport mascot like Sakurai joked, but more like one of those $10 bobbleheads Bethesda was really pushing for Fallout 4, and it looks weird.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 22, 2020, 06:22:11 pm
Y'all whack, Min Min is good :yes:

I would've been fine with her or Lola Pop.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Dr. Sin on June 22, 2020, 07:12:41 pm
I was really surprise and very pleased with the overall presentation. Min Min looks fun and now that we know that spirits don't necessarily deconfirm characters, I can safely assume that Geno has pretty good shot making it in the roster.

I know some people don't like Geno (because it's cool to hate what's popular) but just remember it's only a video game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 22, 2020, 07:24:54 pm
And thus my point is proven.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on June 22, 2020, 08:09:18 pm
Bunch of people are talking about how this finally confirms that Spirits can still appear in the game as fighters, but I dunno, to me that never seemed like an issue to begin with? Of course, that's easy to say after the fact, but genuinely, it just seemed like a non-issue. It's not like Assist Trophies or anything!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on June 22, 2020, 08:39:00 pm
I never understood the whole spirits deconfirm fighters thing, when one of the earlier spirits shown off was a k.rool spirit
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on June 22, 2020, 09:12:45 pm
"In memory of Desmond Daniel Amofah 'Etika'"

Etika would be proud of Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 22, 2020, 09:49:58 pm
I think you're all being too naive about Geno not being included. I haven't really played Super Mario RPG, but its clearly a very popular game with a very popular character exclusive to it. In a game like Smash Ultimate, full of fanservice and with franchises included that, realistically, had very little chance (Persona), I think its safe to say Geno's chances are very big.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on June 22, 2020, 09:54:58 pm
Look I like geno as much as the next guy, but he's only ever been in 1 game that not many kids have played, had a cameo in another, and got removed in the remake, and let's not forget probably won't appear in another title because of it's gripping owner, square enix
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on June 22, 2020, 10:38:46 pm
If any of you said Min Min was "Trash Bin" after Twintelle got revealed and suddenly act like she's the best rep then ya'll fake as fuck  :muttrox:

In serious news, I LOVE how unique they made her, Sakurai and his team sure know how to make any character interesting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 22, 2020, 11:49:21 pm
Noodles are the best, no doubt can't deny. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usPkDLjuNeQ)

Min Min is very solid pick.  Unique design and abilities, but without being so "out there" that she can't rep ARMS as a whole.  Personally I was hoping for Dr. Coyle, but Min Min was a pretty close second.  I love how the decision making process was just Sakurai going to the ARMS director and saying "Yo, who do you want me to put in Smash?"

At first, I was disappointed that they put in a Vault Boy skin because I don't want Todd Howard's vile, bug-ridden tendrils anywhere near Smash Bros, but the I remembered who else (https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Untitled-1-ds1-1340x1340-1-800x400.png) Bethesda owns the rights to and now I'm totally fine with it.

:EDIT:  The celebratory artwork from the official ARMS team (https://twitter.com/ARMS_Cobutter/status/1275077388875915265?s=20) is pretty wonderful.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbH793bU4Ao-pXW.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 23, 2020, 04:27:46 am
I haven't played ARMS, but I too was expecting Dr. Coyle because Smash needs more villains, but Min Min looks like a good rep for ARMS, because she can do kicks as well.... not to say that the other characters can't do that, mind you, but it's nice to have a Kung-Fu rep and probably the closest to Chun-Li we'll get too.

Also, Captain Falcon loving noodles is adorable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on July 02, 2020, 02:30:34 am
Changes in update 8.0.0
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 08, 2020, 12:48:15 pm
The next spirit board event will feature characters from Octopath Traveler. (https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/en-US/ba812cd4/index.html?from_game=1&na_lang=en-US&na_country=US)

(https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/en-US/ba812cd4/img/1060_news.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on August 05, 2020, 04:38:46 am
new update
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on August 05, 2020, 07:20:36 pm
Small Battlefield?
What a great idea.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on August 05, 2020, 07:29:21 pm
Small Battlefield?
What a great idea.
is that sarcasm? xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on August 05, 2020, 07:33:34 pm
don't talk shit about small battlefield.  :P
played the hell out of it last night, it was really enjoyable IMO.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 27, 2020, 11:34:54 pm
Next up on the Spirit Board event (https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1298424925535875073) chopping block is Origami King.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgQ9QcSUcAENlL5.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 27, 2020, 11:37:16 pm
i've read it

it's coming tomorrow
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on September 30, 2020, 04:30:42 pm
:o :o
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 30, 2020, 05:07:24 pm
yeah after a few months they're going to reveal challenger pack 7
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 30, 2020, 05:32:12 pm
Fighter reveal + in-depth look late October with their release date a day later.  Cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on September 30, 2020, 10:52:37 pm
Watch as the Smash fanboys get angry because it won't be whatever crappy character "they" want.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 30, 2020, 11:24:27 pm
Oh, the salt will flow.  That's inevitable.

I'm betting on Travis Touchdown.  Mostly because Suda51, who in the past has been extremely vocal about wanting to get Travis in Smash Bros ever since No More Heroes 1, was recently asked about it again and very suddenly shifted his response to just "No comment." (https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/09/random_travis_touchdown_for_smash_thats_a_big_no_comment_from_suda51)  Could be nothing, could mean an NDA.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on September 30, 2020, 11:42:28 pm
Predictions:
- Cash Banooca Crash Bandicoot
- Travis Touchdown
- Sephiroth
- Scorpion

If none of these predictions pan out, I'll gladly accept whoever is chosen instead.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 30, 2020, 11:55:48 pm
Scorpion at best will be a Mii Costume.  Sub-Zero would be better pick imo.  If only the whole "No Echo fighter" rule was not applied, maybe these two would have a shot.  I kinda want to keep wishing but MinMin has the "fighting game" slot covered (RIP Arcsys rep)

Sephiroth, ha.  Square refused to let Corey Borton voice Cloud and allowed only 2 music tracks in Midgar.

Crash and Travis are locks at this point.  But there's also the Gen 8 Pokemon, which are starting to pick some steam with the upcoming Sword/Shield DLC content coming in October, the same month this next character launches.  Yea it's gonna be a downer but it's inevitable.  I can see Rillaboom if they wanna save up resources and give Donkey Kong a makeover.

If it's not a Gen 8 mon, then I see it happening in February to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Pokemon.

Maybe it'll be a wild card like say, Porky.  They can reuse his assets for his final smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on September 30, 2020, 11:57:59 pm
I'm just gonna bet on Hilda from Under Night In-Birth being in Smash (I doubt that might happen but eh, you'll never know)

If this predication doesn't pan out than oh well, I'll just accept on who or what they'll add.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 01, 2020, 12:05:10 am
Scorpion at best will be a Mii Costume.  Sub-Zero would be better pick imo.  If only the whole "No Echo fighter" rule was not applied, maybe these two would have a shot.  I kinda want to keep wishing but MinMin has the "fighting game" slot covered (RIP Arcsys rep)

Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan.  It's not getting into Smash.

FWIW, there's an alleged leak going around claiming that Tracer is coming next.  It comes from a Gamefaqs account who claims to have a source at Blizzard, and whose claim to credibility is that he allegedly leaked several new skins for Orisa last year, although AFAIK that hasn't been verified or vetted.  It's probably nothing, but the eSports blogs have latched onto it (https://www.dailyesports.gg/leaks-say-overwatchs-tracer-will-be-the-next-smash-ultimate-fighter/) so I guess it's at least worth throwing out there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 01, 2020, 12:18:52 am
Scorpion at best will be a Mii Costume.  Sub-Zero would be better pick imo.  If only the whole "No Echo fighter" rule was not applied, maybe these two would have a shot.  I kinda want to keep wishing but MinMin has the "fighting game" slot covered (RIP Arcsys rep)

Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan.  It's not getting into Smash.


Really? Where did they say that and why is it banned?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 01, 2020, 12:34:29 am
Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan.  It's not getting into Smash.
Who cares? I doubt the Smash choices are based on Japan only, and Mortal Kombat isn't less of a classic franchise because Japanese government is composed of bitches.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 01, 2020, 12:44:38 am
Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan.  It's not getting into Smash.


Really? Where did they say that and why is it banned?

IDK if it's actually legally banned, but it violates the country's policies on violence in media for pretty obvious reasons.  Stores don't stock it and WB doesn't bother publishing there.  Japanese fans who want Mortal Kombat either have to import or set up an international account to buy it digitally.

So it wouldn't make a heck of a lot of sense for Nintendo to tie one of their flagship titles to a franchise that can't even be sold in their home country.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on October 01, 2020, 12:52:47 am
For the matter being, there's this theory going on suggesting there's at least one Rated M character in the Pass due to all franchise logos being removed and R-M franchises being replaced with the names of their characters in Mii Costume showcases. Wouldn't really speak positively in Scorpion's chances due to MK11 not being rated in Japan, but still.

As for this next guy, I have no expectation, you really can't go down the crapper harder than Byleth did. Plus, Terry is already in so I don't really think any addition will be better than him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DJ_HANNIBALROYCE on October 01, 2020, 01:17:16 am
i think among us or fall guys is getting a mii costume
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2020, 01:22:51 am
So it wouldn't make a heck of a lot of sense for Nintendo to tie one of their flagship titles to a franchise that can't even be sold in their home country.
Devil's advocate, and it's not exactly a one-for-one example, but Mother 3.  Yeah, it's in the opposite direction, but that's still technically stuck just in Japan, never stopped them before promoting Lucas and co. from Mother 3 elsewhere through Smash.

There's been murmurs once again in the leaks department about it being Tracer from Overwatch.  I'd be interested in that, not for having played Overwatch yet or much care about the character one way or the other.  Just Blizzard going on record before on them not having any meeting with Nintendo about any of their characters getting into Smash, and whoever the interviewee exec was personally preferring Diablo the big boss himself getting in instead anyways.

Mostly just to delude myself that if they lie about their inclusion, then others may be as well. (We kinda got that with Kirkhope denying Banjo being DLC, but he's not exactly someone who would know anymore anyways despite previous connections)  343 saying Master Chief will not be happening and Id getting turned down by Nintendo got me bummed out on no DoomGuy possibility.  Hey, I want to believe.

I guess I'd be fine with whatever other than a gen 8 Pokemon.  Nothing from the generation stands out for me. (I truly don't get the fascination over Toxicitry the nipple-strumming pokemon.  Not even a good SoaD reference to be found)  Plenty of additional Pokemon inclusions I would be interested in, just nothing from this generation, and the obvious preference by them to promote the current gen leaves me shrugging at the prospect.  Though I do like the 25th anniversary idea, maybe get Eevee or something then?

I'd be really down for Crash, but like last time around people were banking on him being in the past DLC pack, he feels practically naked to me without Spyro alongside him.  Like, it'd work, it'd be FINE, but it would feel wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 01, 2020, 02:50:25 am
While the current MK games have been given the ban hammer in Japan, people kind of forget that the choices were made ahead of time and I feel there's a basis towards a franchise's history in more then a few of the choices.

Also, there is a work around here: Injustice. Anything that Nintendo might find squeamish about Scorpion can replaced with something from Injustice. Hell, they can just take his super from the game and make it his Final Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 01, 2020, 03:09:14 am
I don't know what makes people think that Nintendo can't just remove anything overly violent from Scorpion or Sub-Zero if they're added, they dealt with Bayonetta's nudity, they can deal with gore. Just because the last MK game was banned, doesn't mean it's impossible for a character to show up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 01, 2020, 03:12:35 am
It'd be a lot of hoops for them to jump through just to wind up with a watered-down version of a character that their core hometown audience would only be passingly familiar with and wouldn't be interested in.

I like Mortal Kombat just fine, it's just that from a logistical and business standpoint it would make zero sense for Nintendo to include it in Smash.  Especially not when there's plenty of other series that are more easily adapted and would be well-received in all markets instead of just a portion of one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2020, 03:21:21 am
The point wasn't the viability, it was the interest from Nintendo in going down promoting a series they can not advertise in their own country.  Of course there's video game history behind the series that would make nearly any mainstay MK character a worthwhile addition but it doesn't play nice with Japan's laws.

Which sometimes makes me wonder how anime classics ever got off the ground like Akira or Ghost in the Shell, anime by and large to a good number equates to "the excessively violent and sexy cartoons" but that's a whole different, broad topic.

That said, it surprises me just from the huge influence MK has had on video games in general, they don't attempt to give Japan altered censored versions.  Hardcore fans are gonna import anyways and I thought they did that with China to begin with.

In other words, what Person Man said.  However, counter to the wider market; Banjo & Kazooie and Terry.  Those are both niche markets whose inclusion is pretty much there to show to a new, unfamiliar audience.  It'd just again be in reverse, Japan would be the one not really in the know about MK stuff. (That seems to be the case with Banjo's rising Japanese interest ever since his Smash addition.  It's freaking bizarre seeing Grant Kirkhope chatting with Japanese Twitch streamers under anime girl vises as of late, but bizarre in a neat way seeing new people playing for the first time there)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 01, 2020, 03:37:02 am
As I said before, the closest to a Mortal Kombat addition would be in Mii Costumes.  Several other M-rated franchises have been featured this way.  Scorpion and Subzero would work well as Swordsman costumes.  Playable characters is out the window.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on October 01, 2020, 03:46:58 am
throwing down predictions:

Miles "Tails" Prower
Agumon
Shantae
Travis Touchdown
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 01, 2020, 04:25:39 am
Playable characters is out the window.
Bullshit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 01, 2020, 05:04:36 am
Fall Guys Mii costume would be a good DLC. Hex-A-Gone theme better be included too.

Mortal Kombat being in Smash isn't bullshit either. Pirhana, Joker, and Hero were.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 01, 2020, 12:07:07 pm
Mortal Kombat being in Smash isn't bullshit either. Pirhana, Joker, and Hero were.

Lol.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 01, 2020, 04:04:02 pm
I don't even play Minecraft, but I AM HYPED AS FUCK!!!!! WOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 01, 2020, 04:07:12 pm
Dang Tracer really let herself go, eh?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 01, 2020, 04:07:48 pm
That was a total fucking disappointment. Fuck Minecraft. Seriously, fuck that game.

On the bright side... at least there's a new punching bag.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 01, 2020, 04:20:18 pm
Whoop-dee-doo, another pretty faced sword boy with a female alt.  Real original, Sakurai.

But for real, this is wild.  Never played Minecraft, but I’m interested to give Steve a go in Smash.  A move set centered around building up a set of resources to power up your attacks reminds me of Phoenix Wright’s evidence system in UMvC3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Ziltoid on October 01, 2020, 04:21:02 pm
I don't even play Minecraft, but I AM HYPED AS FUCK!!!!! WOOOOOOO

That was a total fucking disappointment. Fuck Minecraft. Seriously, fuck that game.

Ah, the duality of mankind. Fascinating.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 01, 2020, 04:21:50 pm


Tracer trailer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on October 01, 2020, 04:24:29 pm
Being honest, Steve was more or less the kind of inclusion Smash needed. Enthusiasm for new characters had really gone downhill ever since Byleth and they needed to remind people that this game is a celebration of all gaming. Now, would I have chosen Steve over say Dante, Sora, Master Chief or Geno? Of course not, but Minecraft has one pedigree not many other franchises have and for that alone, it was a more than reasonable addition to Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on October 01, 2020, 04:33:44 pm
I'm not sure how do I feel about Steve's inclusion.
And I thought people don't talk too much about Minecraft anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 01, 2020, 04:39:54 pm
I can only imagine Minecraft getting Smash related skins now.

Not a huge fan of the game, but I am curious on the moveset, as they've said they had to rework all of the stages for it to work. That would explain why it took so long for it to come out (well, besides everything else going on in the world).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 01, 2020, 04:53:55 pm
A part of me thinks Steve was supposed to be in Pack 1 but due to how frustrating it was to get him working, he needed more time and we ended up with Byleth, who could've been reserved for Pack 2.  We even had leaks referencing Steve and Minecraft a year ago along with Hero.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 01, 2020, 05:06:44 pm
Whoop-dee-doo, another pretty faced sword boy [...]

...except it's a whooole new level of prettiness than the usual, this time; :c00l:

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/8482569e-fe24-467d-bbc0-1affdd802d99/d632x7b-a2cd1c04-d5c7-4044-b660-55aa38dd7dbb.png/v1/fill/w_1024,h_1024,q_80,strp/minecraft_steve_by_zhamwich_d632x7b-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xMDI0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvODQ4MjU2OWUtZmUyNC00NjdkLWJiYzAtMWFmZmRkODAyZDk5XC9kNjMyeDdiLWEyY2QxYzA0LWQ1YzctNDA0NC1iNjYwLTU1YWEzOGRkN2RiYi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.W7JLb0kN8GQU9ugyi77YMGeFDp2ZXPT3SHvVV2_z1iQ)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 01, 2020, 05:12:26 pm
Wow, that was incredibly... meh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 01, 2020, 05:26:55 pm
Ugh, why couldn't it be a shitty character I wanted?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on October 01, 2020, 05:35:47 pm
Ugh, why couldn't it be a shitty character I wanted?

Why make posts like this? People have a right to show their discontent and Sakurai/Nintendo/whatever doesn't need you defending them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on October 01, 2020, 05:37:02 pm
I figured I'd be disappointed regardless, so i never bothered getting my hopes up. Lookin forward to patch notes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: dakidbanks on October 01, 2020, 05:41:01 pm
That video made me want to make a Mugen roster and not care about the sprite clashes lol

Anyways, my son played Minecraft a lot so that’s cool for him. I wish Scorpion from Mortal Kombat in PG form made it in. Thats a character from the next biggest fighting franchise that has no representation in this game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mintloid on October 01, 2020, 05:54:09 pm
P***ed myself laughing because of this XD. Glad it wasn't someone worse than Banjo and Byleth. (and yes I did admit that I never wanted banjo for smash, EVER! nuff said -_-)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Good_Wall533 on October 01, 2020, 05:59:03 pm
Even though I like this inclusion, I get the feeling that Sakurai didn't want to include Steve. He didn't seem enthusiastic about this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 01, 2020, 06:01:00 pm
"Nintendo made me do this" - Sakurai, probably
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Beta158 on October 01, 2020, 07:34:24 pm
Well at least the memes are dead.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: LC-DDM on October 01, 2020, 07:38:22 pm
Wonder how long his blocks last for. 'bout three, four seconds?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 01, 2020, 10:37:04 pm
lame
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2020, 10:41:52 pm
Alright, that's a good character choice.  And I feel slightly smug at trying the game earlier in the year for the first time in case Minecraft showed up here, so yay.  Now I can get the references

Few nitpicks, why the Enderman skin?  Endermen are a good 3-4 feet taller than the Player, have dislocated jaws and generally don't interact with the world as a Player would, a skin playing as one of them is odd.  They'd be better off as their own thing as an assist trophy and if a fourth skin is needed then go with a Skeleton or Piglin, who act more in line with the Player.  And not really a negative, just mild surprise that they didn't aim to replicate Minecraft: Story Mode's character animations and instead went to mimic the base game as nearly as possible.  Not unusual, SF characters attempt to mimic SFII the most, just thought they would like the additional bit to not make them.....stand out so oddly to the rest of the cast.  But probably a moot point, Minecraft anything will always look out of place against anything else.

But yeah, overall cool, this one I'll be happy to check out.

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/8482569e-fe24-467d-bbc0-1affdd802d99/d632x7b-a2cd1c04-d5c7-4044-b660-55aa38dd7dbb.png/v1/fill/w_1024,h_1024,q_80,strp/minecraft_steve_by_zhamwich_d632x7b-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xMDI0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvODQ4MjU2OWUtZmUyNC00NjdkLWJiYzAtMWFmZmRkODAyZDk5XC9kNjMyeDdiLWEyY2QxYzA0LWQ1YzctNDA0NC1iNjYwLTU1YWEzOGRkN2RiYi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.W7JLb0kN8GQU9ugyi77YMGeFDp2ZXPT3SHvVV2_z1iQ)
Thanks, now Steve is just adult Bobby Hill to me mentally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on October 01, 2020, 11:26:49 pm
Steve from Minecraft? Nah, pretty lame. :P

"Nintendo made me do this" - Sakurai, probably

From what i saw on Sakurai's words, Steve on SSBU was Nintendo's idea not Sakurai and probably he didn't like that idea so much.
Also Sakurai said that all the stages needed to be reworked because of Steve's inclusion on the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 01, 2020, 11:54:17 pm
Looking over it again, I'm getting strong Mr. Game & Watch energy from Steve here.  He's been designed to represent the entire game as a concept rather than a specific character or personality.  I dig it.  Plus, that music slaps and the stage is gorgeous.

Wouldn't have been my first, second, or forty-ninth pick if it was up to me, but I'm genuinely looking forward to playing as him now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 02, 2020, 02:00:24 am
Steve is officially the second DLC character I’m happy with. First was Terry.

Fight me. :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on October 02, 2020, 02:16:19 am
Even though I like this inclusion, I get the feeling that Sakurai didn't want to include Steve. He didn't seem enthusiastic about this.

"Nintendo made me do this" - Sakurai, probably

Suddenly makes sense that Fighter Pass 2 got 6 characters instead of 5 now.

Honestly, I do not mind this. Me and my little brother (who have been playing Minecraft for years) watched it together and I laughed my ass off. I did not know how to react, I just burst out laughing.

I'm pretty hyped over this! I really never liked Steve, nor Minecraft itself, but I respect it for it's innovation, it's popularity and for it's fans. That itself makes me respect the choice for sure. Always wondered how Sakurai & Co would create such a moveset, so I do think this was exactly what Smash needed at this point.

Hoping Crash will make one of the last spots lol.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: LC-DDM on October 02, 2020, 02:25:33 am
I haven't played Minecraft in years, in part because I basically dipped out when Microsoft dropped the dosh to acquire it. Still, I enjoyed the time I had with it a lot, and while I'm not particularly excited like a fan would be about his inclusion, it's still enough of a positive note that I can enjoy it.

Steve is officially the second DLC character I’m happy with. First was Terry.

Fight me. :P

Honestly? I'm with ya.

To me, Plant was a giant space flea from nowhere, Joker was a moderate reception, Hero was a 'wut' but a nice 'traditional' RPG addition, Banjo was great, despite my never having held a nostalgia candle with his name on it, Terry was absolutely wild and I lapped up every second, and Byleth was a wet blanket.

I can't really complain about any of these, it's still bonus content.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 02, 2020, 02:29:35 am
I can't really complain about any of these, it's still bonus content.
That you pay for. Its not free, its not a gift, so people who complain have all the right to do so.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Two-Tone Dearly on October 02, 2020, 02:29:47 am
Alright, that's a good character choice.  And I feel slightly smug at trying the game earlier in the year for the first time in case Minecraft showed up here, so yay.  Now I can get the references

Few nitpicks, why the Enderman skin?  Endermen are a good 3-4 feet taller than the Player, have dislocated jaws and generally don't interact with the world as a Player would, a skin playing as one of them is odd.  They'd be better off as their own thing as an assist trophy and if a fourth skin is needed then go with a Skeleton or Piglin, who act more in line with the Player.  And not really a negative, just mild surprise that they didn't aim to replicate Minecraft: Story Mode's character animations and instead went to mimic the base game as nearly as possible.  Not unusual, SF characters attempt to mimic SFII the most, just thought they would like the additional bit to not make them.....stand out so oddly to the rest of the cast.  But probably a moot point, Minecraft anything will always look out of place against anything else.

But yeah, overall cool, this one I'll be happy to check out.


instead of Enderman they should have made the fourth skin Herobrine
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 02, 2020, 02:32:35 am
Isn't Herobrine a non-official thing?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 02, 2020, 02:38:16 am
Isn't Herobrine a non-official thing?

Correct. It’s a creepypasta and has never been adopted as an official thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 02, 2020, 02:41:57 am
I'm not familiar with Herobrine, my playthrough earlier this year had nothing to do with it.  Looking it up, it appears to be nothing more than a local legend to the Minecraft fanbase, not even actually incorporated into the game itself, and as a skin its only difference between it and Steve are white eyes which are mostly ignorable in a fight and not helpful to the actual reasons for these outfits; to stand out from one-another.

Including it would be akin to if they went with Master Chief instead of Minecraft here they had a Mister Chief skin and the Halo stage incorporated Megg.  Neat deep cut reference, not particularly helpful.

Also R.I.P. Master Chief.  Not that it was likely, but add another notch against him with now needing to be a third Microsoft rep instead of hypothetical second.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 02, 2020, 03:01:45 am
There's a part of me that wants to hope that this Nintendo/Microsoft partnership could make Doom Slayer more likely what with the recent buyout, but I know the DLC was locked in way before that happened.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 02, 2020, 03:20:47 am
I do legit think that will have valuable consequences with the Smash game following this, likely also contributing to guaranteeing Banjo and Steve's return if Microsoft and Nintendo remain all business buddy-buddy as they currently are while pushing for some new character from a franchise Microsoft acquired.  But I agree it is far too late for this DLC pass at the minimum, and more likely this game as a whole.  While I like the idea of them just updating this one game until heat death of the universe like some have pushed for, I think both Nintendo would want to upgrade at SOME point and Sakurai either retiring or just wanting to start a new project, even if it's another title in the series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: LC-DDM on October 02, 2020, 04:14:18 am
That you pay for. Its not free, its not a gift, so people who complain have all the right to do so.

I don't exactly remember where I said people couldn't complain. I am aware of the core essence of how the concept of money exchanged for goods and services works.

People do what they want with their money, the same way they do what they want with their mouths. I simply choose not to see something like this in a negative light. In the end, it's bonus content, whether there's a price tag attached or not.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 02, 2020, 04:17:48 am
All things considered. That trailer is shoddy and weak as hell. They played on fandom's turf and the best they could do is "lol mario creeper aw man"?

Steve himself looks fucking epic. Enderman is a real Pac-Man tier alt though. The only good thing that can come out of it is that Sonics in Mugen better have the Minecraft Sonic the Fighters Punch. Time Flux Sonic where are you?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 02, 2020, 04:33:04 am
I can't really complain about any of these, it's still bonus content.
That you pay for. Its not free, its not a gift, so people who complain have all the right to do so.
It's a good thing DLC characters can be purchased separately then.

Can we talk about how amazing the trailer music was?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 02, 2020, 04:51:21 am
Minecraft's general blank ambiance and its music selection having to be hunted down on discs and returned to your home to even listen to, I didn't hear much of the game's original soundtrack.  Just "Cat" and "13".  Was the trailer stuff from Minecraft or something newly done just for Smash?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 02, 2020, 11:09:35 am
Ugh, why couldn't it be a shitty character I wanted?

Why make posts like this? People have a right to show their discontent and Sakurai/Nintendo/whatever doesn't need you defending them.
Because I like to poke fun at people that post that they're expecting this kind of post.
No, I'm not excited for Steve in Smash either.

I didn't think it was possible to split the fambase more than with Terry or Byleth, but here comes Steve to prove me wrong.

With Terry, it was a matter of not being recognizable to anyone that didn't grow up in arcades or play fighting games often.
With Byleth, it was a matter of being tired of a lot of FE representation, but it's not like their inclusion was a big surprise since it's not the first time they did a stunt like that(See: Roy and Corrin)
With Steve, you know what Minecraft is, so his reveal was the biggest excitement or disappointment depending on your side of the love/hate relationship with Minecraft.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 02, 2020, 02:25:50 pm
I was surprisingly mild about the announcement.

When I saw the thumbnail pic in my Youtube Inbox and saw Minecraft, I was pleasantly surprised, but nothing strong. More like "Hmm... Minecraft made it in? How nice."

I still remember the time when it is still just a beta game played in my school's computer labs. How things change.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 02, 2020, 11:08:42 pm
To be honest, I'm really disappointed about this reveal. Played Minecraft once but just couldn't get into it. I truly don't see anything significance or iconic about Steve. Sure, Minecraft fans are happy. I'm still gonna get him but I will NEVER handpick him on the select screen. I'll have more fun KOing him than playing as him. At least we're getting a new patch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 02, 2020, 11:44:33 pm
You don't see anything significant or iconic about the best selling video game of all time? Really?

I don't play Minecraft either, but you can't deny that it's cemented its place in gaming history.  Pretending Minecraft hasn't earned a place in a game like Smash Bros at this point is pure sodium chloride.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 02, 2020, 11:51:06 pm
Should have put in a Creeper character instead and watch everybody meme about it fighting the plant or something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 03, 2020, 12:37:51 am
You don't see anything significant or iconic about the best selling video game of all time? Really?

I don't play Minecraft either, but you can't deny that it's cemented its place in gaming history.  Pretending Minecraft hasn't earned a place in a game like Smash Bros at this point is pure sodium chloride.
Minecraft may sell like crazy, but that doesn't make Steve iconic, in fact, he is easily one of the most forgettable aspects of the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 03, 2020, 12:42:35 am
Steve doesn't have to be iconic.  Minecraft is.  He's the next Mr. Game & Watch;  An amalgamated representation of the game series as a whole, rather than being a specific personality from that game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 03, 2020, 12:49:02 am
What else, precisely, were they supposed to pick the player play as rather than the Player Avatar?

Look, I get that Steve has nothing to go off of by himself, in comparison to other mutes already in the game (Link, Red, Leaf, Animal Crossing Mayor) Steve intentionally doesn't exude personality because of the game's intentional limitations and a lack of outside resources like official comics or novels.  But they're the one that actually makes USE of the tools and environment that makes Minecraft memorable.  As I said before, the Enderman skin is already bizarre, and my time with the game is comparatively very short with most others who are into it, because that's not what Endermen do.

And the idea of the other iconic mascot to the game, the Creeper, offers considerably less options as anything beyond a joke character because its whole essence is it blows up killing itself if anything comes near and it dies easily.  Even Piranha Plant branched out in other Mario games to composite into this Smash character we got.  A playable Creeper is basically asking for playable wild Voltorbs and Electrodes from Pokemon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 03, 2020, 01:00:18 am
Plant didn't branch out. Those are different characters entirely. The only similarity is that they share species which were all messily kluged into one entity for Smash purposes. Dunno why Petey is there either, because it's never proven that the plant "grows" into any other form. Plant doesn't even have anything in Kart or sports. Not even Petey.

Game and Watch is a similar situation. He is not a Fire stickman or a living Game and Watch, he's some sort of oddball "entity" that has no identity outside of Smash and like, Game and Watch Gallery. He didn't even exist before Melee because Fire stickmen were nameless and only jumped.

Steve works far better for this as he is only a name for a skin of the character you use in Minecraft. And his moveset could literally be chalked back to Creative Mode options.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 03, 2020, 04:21:23 pm
Demonstration stream starts in about 10 minutes.



:EDIT:  FUCKING FUCKING FUCK They made Travis Touchdown into a fucking Mii costume.  Fucking shit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 03, 2020, 05:21:05 pm
I'm more heartbroken at the fact we are not getting Fem-Byleth amiibo.

Is there some sort of law that prevents "Fallout" and "No More Heroes" from being displayed in NA streams?  I was left pondering what the eff a game called "TRAVIS" is.

(Edit: ESRB stuff.  Ugh)

We're getting Tracer after all, aren't we?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 03, 2020, 05:47:14 pm
As much as I would not have cared for Travis to be a playable character, the fact that he’s a MII costume now makes me a little frightened on who could be next.

I may love Steve... but I don’t want us to dip into FNAF, Overwatch, or Fortnite territory. I really don’t. That’d be a bit too much. :|
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: LC-DDM on October 03, 2020, 05:53:24 pm
Steve's going to be a monster, whether you're fighting as or against him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on October 04, 2020, 06:35:41 pm
We're getting Tracer after all, aren't we?
Doubt considering Blizzard made themselves look like complete assholes not too long so I don't think Nintendo wants to work with them.

That and the Overwatch hype died down tremendously.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 04, 2020, 06:47:29 pm
Steve's going to be a monster, whether you're fighting as or against him.

I don't know... Steve has some strong moves, like his Up+B. The challenge with him is meter management. You have to have iron for a good chunk of his moves, so you have to mine when you get the chance. It's far easier to do so in a 1-on-1 fight then a four man or even eight man battle.

Once he has enough iron for his moves, then he becomes a threat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 04, 2020, 07:17:00 pm
So I'd just like to go on record that those Creeper and Pig Mii costumes are cursed as hell and are a sign of the End Times.  That is all.

But for real, the Bomberman one is a prime example of when the cosplay costumes work perfectly.  That might be the one time I'd be interested in trying a Mii character out, to play as him.  It'll hold over until wanting him for the next game.

Because then I'm going full wish mode and wanting him to show up with his Bomberman Quest outfits as alts.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bomberman/images/d/dc/Multiplayer_Forms.png/revision/latest?cb=20110302015309)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 13, 2020, 02:41:59 am
For no other reason than because why not, the Minecraft World stage includes cheat codes to let you select which biome you get if you don't want it to be random.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej3L3MdU8AAh1kP.jpg)

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1315789346478288897

:EDIT: Steve's out and Smash Bros is now INCREDIBLY cursed.

Spoiler: Exhibit A (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on October 18, 2020, 04:01:52 pm
Patch 9.0
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 19, 2020, 05:24:58 am
I bought bomberman skin but I didn't receive the body, I just received the head :/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 19, 2020, 08:50:11 am
The body probably belongs to a specific class of Mii Fighters.  Were you creating a Brawler?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on October 19, 2020, 09:45:36 am
I bought bomberman skin but I didn't receive the body, I just received the head :/
try re-downloading the DLC that seems to be an issue every-time they add mii costumes to this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 20, 2020, 02:55:03 am
I bought bomberman skin but I didn't receive the body, I just received the head :/
try re-downloading the DLC that seems to be an issue every-time they add mii costumes to this game.

how?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 20, 2020, 02:57:42 am
The body probably belongs to a specific class of Mii Fighters.  Were you creating a Brawler?
no, I was editing my last one becasue I didnt find it, I released bomberman's head looks cool on megaman's body thats why Im not completed engry.xD
(https://i.ibb.co/74YLqYf/IMG-20201019-210706-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHmzZmf)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on October 20, 2020, 09:34:29 am
how?
go to the e-shop then go to the bomberman dlc mii costume there should be a button on the top right, saying "re-download DLC" Thats how i fixed my issue. But in case you didn't know the Bomberman Mii costume is Brawler Mii only. So other Mii Classes can't use it besides the Head.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: walt on October 20, 2020, 11:53:33 pm
That Rockmberman looks ultra dope
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 22, 2020, 04:19:21 am
They patched out Steve's meat.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 22, 2020, 04:36:39 am
Is it because of the unfortunate location of the meat at the end of the victory pose?

Because I don't see any other reason for such a tiny edit...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 22, 2020, 08:59:40 am
Because the internet was blowing up about how awkward the win pose was because "meat joke. Look where it is. Hehehe."

Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with it until people pointed it out, and I thought "Yeah, they're gonna get rid of it by next patch so people can stop giggling at it."

Edit: Also, apparently Steve could make people go through the floor somehow, so that was fixed too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 22, 2020, 02:50:41 pm
I get Nintendo's reasoning, although I would keep it in because why should I bow to the easily distracted and fleeting minds of the modern-day internet user, who will probably obsess on the next TikTok video they saw on their phones not even 15 seconds after they get the "joke".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on October 24, 2020, 09:35:23 pm
Never even noticed it until I heard it was patched.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 25, 2020, 04:32:22 am
Same here. I don't even know what's the big deal about the removal of the meat in the victory pose. Once it's eaten, shouldn't it disappear?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 25, 2020, 04:51:06 am
Here's some Steve glitches. Not sure if they've been patched yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 25, 2020, 01:25:55 pm
Time for some good old-fashioned datamine theorycraft.

Over on Smashboards, (https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-4282#post-24138400) dataminers had found 5 placeholder spots for voice files to go after Min Min was released.  Now that Steve's out and doesn't have any voice lines, there are still 5 slots.  The same thing happened after Terry was released; there were two empty slots for voice data, with only one fighter left, that ended up being filled by the Byleths.  This has led current speculation to assume that one of the remaining DLC characters will either have female/male alts or a different selectable character with a different voice like Bowser Jr or Hero.

First thing that springs to mind for me would be Crash Bandicoot with Coco as an alt.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 25, 2020, 02:26:51 pm
It's Gordon Freeman, Jack Ryan from BioShock, Tetris Block and 5 Dantes from each age he's in in each game, of course.

Actually, joking aside, it suddenly occurred to me how odd the absence of BioShock at all is in a crossover this big.  Like, I don't have actual legitimate expectations of a character or anything that lofty, but thing took over the world from 2007 on for a few years, they had a direct about it and Borderlands coming to Switch.  Should have a spirit or something in here, no?

On the other hand, a successfully made BioShock character for Smash would also just be beautiful schadenfreude against Sony's Smash clone game from a while back, so hey, that'd be neat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 25, 2020, 05:54:24 pm
Lol, PSASBR still has people upset?

A guy on Discord told me that this pack is all "revolutionary" characters. Gordon Freeman is so in then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Good_Wall533 on October 25, 2020, 06:14:00 pm
I heard tons of people say characters like Dante has a high chance of getting in but I don't know... Not feeling it even though i'm a big fan of the DMC franchise and I would be pretty excited to see TWO of my favorite franchises (Sonic and DMC) in the same game, I'm just not feeling it. After Steve, I feel like anything is possible now. Hope i'm wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 25, 2020, 06:20:23 pm
I doubt anyone beyond Sony themselves has put a second thought to the game within the past 5 years.  But it would be quite amusing if a character transitioned from that game to Smash for the better.

Frankly, I still never GOT why BioShock was in PSASBR.  It was an Xbox exclusive for some time.  It had and has no special ties to the Playstation or Sony brand.  Smash at least evolved into an all-encompassing blanket for all video games of merit, for better or worse on the first-party side of development depending on the individual, it could viably get away with something weird like Master Chief in the game these days, but Sony's Smash clone was by all means intended and marketed as a gated off Sony party.  Even at the time when Smash was considered odd for Snake and Sonic, those have considerably more history with Nintendo than BioShock does with PlayStation.

But I suppose that's neither here nor there, just dust in the history books.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 26, 2020, 03:40:12 am
The reason I know is because a Bioshock higher up supported PSASBR's devlopment with funding, that's only if I remember correctly though. I honestly would not scoff at anything from PSASBR getting in Ultimate and done ten times better.(?) Just preferably not Dante on my end. He was busted in MvC3 and Infinite...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 27, 2020, 05:26:00 am
Im still waiting for goku in smash why not steve from maincraft is in the game so anything is possible now maybe sakurai doesnt want to break servers twitter again.xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 27, 2020, 05:50:52 am
Goku will never be a thing, and thank goodness for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on October 27, 2020, 10:27:11 am
For me it's gonna be Haruhi Suzumiya.
Y'know? Just to celebrate her latest novel releasing in november of this year.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 27, 2020, 12:08:35 pm
For me, the next character will be The Undertaker to promote his 30-year long run anniversary special.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on October 27, 2020, 12:18:02 pm
For me, it's just gonna be Marilyn Manson.
Just to promote any album by him, ya know?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 27, 2020, 04:00:22 pm
For me, it's gonna be Joe Biden.
Because clearly he's gonna reach any length to promote his campaign in this country.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 27, 2020, 05:56:26 pm
Another day, another extremely forced Smash meme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 27, 2020, 08:38:34 pm
why not these 3 guys? they will have a new serie again next year :D a lot people grew up watching those crazy guys, yeah people are waiting for video games characters but who knows.xD
(https://i.ibb.co/HBdSNQ9/personajes-de-Animaniacs-que-marcaron-nuestra-vida.webp) (https://ibb.co/0mt7B3z)

or these guys
(https://i.ibb.co/Zd7ZV5V/tiny-toons-abenteuer-total-verruckte-ferien-tiny-toon-adventures-szene-titulo-local-1992-warner-brot.jpg) (https://es.imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 27, 2020, 10:18:35 pm
You know the shitposting is getting out of hand when Doraemon guy is the one making the most sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 28, 2020, 12:43:31 pm
Yeah, are we done with all this stupid shit?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 28, 2020, 02:41:59 pm
I was hoping someone will ask that. The shitposting is getting really stupid here. So back to the topic, when do you think will be the next DLC fighter announcement? I'd say probably December/January.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 28, 2020, 03:40:42 pm
I predict that crash will be last to reveal
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 28, 2020, 04:07:48 pm
Late January to Early February is likely the next month when we will start to hear more news on DLC. 

I mentioned this before but February is Pokémon's 25th anniversary and it's guarenteed Smash will do some kind of promotion for it.  A likely feature is an Open Tourney similar to Mario's 35th and a Spirit Event for Snap but this is also a good chance for a Pokémon reveal to rep Galar.  If no Pokémon reveal happens on February then it's safe to assume it will not happen at all for the next slots.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on October 28, 2020, 04:25:50 pm
Late January to Early February is likely the next month when we will start to hear more news on DLC. 

I mentioned this before but February is Pokémon's 25th anniversary and it's guarenteed Smash will do some kind of promotion for it.  A likely feature is an Open Tourney similar to Mario's 35th and a Spirit Event for Snap but this is also a good chance for a Pokémon reveal to rep Galar.  If no Pokémon reveal happens on February then it's safe to assume it will not happen at all for the next slots.

But WHICH Galar mon?  I'd be open to Toxtricity, Rillaboom, or Urshifu (insert too similar to Ryu arguments here).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on October 28, 2020, 04:33:57 pm
Urshifu is probably the best bet(fighting type, 2 forms for costumes,etc)

Obstagoon is another good shout.

(Id love it of they said 'fuck it' and put Falinks in the game.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 28, 2020, 04:53:52 pm
Urshifu has two formes with two different fighting styles so it won't work out well.

Rillaboom has been getting some popularity and could work out a unique style with its drums.  The huge Smash poll at SourceGaming had Rillaboom as the leading choice for a Galar rep. 

Toxtricity was my number 1 pick but now it's barely getting talked about.  Shame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 28, 2020, 09:45:31 pm
Urshifu wouldn't work without some liberties taken, seeing the two forms is a one-or-the-other deal in the actual game, it's not something swappable.  It also has, like, no lasting presence outside the modicum of story.  Other Smash Pokemon are either icons intrinsic to the series, oft-repeat appearing monsters that are popular with the fanbase, noteworthy bosses, or all three.  Urshifu just kinda comes and goes, the old man Mustard has a greater impact and I'd already forgotten his name until I looked up the DLC info again.  Also, uh, Urshifu and all related content to it is strictly DLC, it would be quite strange for Smash to promote not SwSH themselves, but the DLC post-game pack specifically.  For example, Byleth's in Smash to promote Three Houses' DLC, but Byleth is a prominent character of the base game.  Ushifu would be like if they took someone from that Three Houses DLC over Byleth.  Or like if there was a push for gen 3 Pokemon representation and we got the Battle Frontier as a stage.

I'd so really, really wish it not to be Rillaboom.  Outside it just being another Donkey Kong but with his drums back, I do believe I prefer literally every other grass starter up to date than it.  I'd much much MUCH more prefer looking past sticking to current gen reps of the time and get Sceptile if they were looking for a grass starter to fill in.

Don't have much to say on Toxtricity other than it's a weird pokemon that likes to twist its nipples to attack and somehow despite Pokemon's bizarre creeping sexualization, it somehow doesn't play into this particular monster's fan base.  I dunno, I don't think this monster's hit Lucario fan base levels or will last as long as it to warrant being in, but I suppose out of the three options it would be the best pick to represent the region with its punk rock thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 28, 2020, 11:54:24 pm
I'd wish for Inteleon to be in smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 29, 2020, 12:24:30 am
nah, need a real fire emblem character: Hector.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 29, 2020, 05:42:29 am
Lately this has been making rounds, but a recent zoom call involving the future of Fortnite (https://mobile.twitter.com/ifiremonkey/status/1321555009230831618?s=21) has an interesting last question whether Fortnite content will make it into Smash with the response being "no comment".  Similar situation with Travis Touchdown that had the same response with the end result of him being a Mii Costume.

Take it what you will.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 29, 2020, 06:08:36 am
If Steve broke Twitter, Fortnite will... Pretty much do the same. Even a Jonesy Mii.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 29, 2020, 11:47:27 pm
Not to be a downer, but having never played a Battle Royale game nevermind Fortnite itself and not seeing Fortnite in....geez, I guess last time I saw someone play it was maybe 2 years ago, what would a Fortnite character even bring to the table?  Their whole gameplay loop that I'm aware of is there's an initial map location drop, then it turns into competitive 3rd-person Borderlands with random gun loot drops from chests.  Which...yeah, I'd exceedingly prefer a Borderlands character to make use of that game mechanic than Fortnite, I don't think the "characters" of Fortnite even have established characteristics, which one would be hard pressed to say Borderlands is without.  Maybe they'd have a single life mechanic how they don't get additional stock but stat boosts as the match goes on and they continue surviving?

It also seems Fortnite has a bigger focus on being a crossover platform than an established IP itself, because other that knowing the name of the girl on the box, not even thanks to the game or its marketing but because Vinesauce of all things, I couldn't tell you a thing about her or the cast other than there's a banana man.  But I can tell you how needy the news was to shove down your throat that you need to play Fortnite to get exclusive Star Wars scenes the last movie was missing without their context, and Maxamillian Dood has filled me in now how it's now actually a Marvel IP and one of their alt. universes and has somehow replaced Marvel vs Capcom in promoting Marvel's cool characters alongside their MCU stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 29, 2020, 11:51:23 pm
I think you answered the appeal of Fortnite in Smash. If Fortnite "canonically replaces MvC". No small feat.

If it gets in, Smash becomes canon to Marvel in an alternate timeline on an alternate Earth in an alternate Big Bang by an alternate writer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 30, 2020, 12:17:22 am
Maybe now Marvel will stop fucking with the development of the next MvC games (we still have rumors there is something being worked on). Also, I don't think Fortnite will get in, popular as it is, there is no real unique mechanics from Fortnite that could be added, even the building thing has been taken by Steve.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on October 30, 2020, 12:24:02 am
I only think it'll be a Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 30, 2020, 03:41:48 am
At this stage Fortnight isn't really a video game as much as it is a mass marketing platform where you pay for the privilege of being advertised to, but that's a whole other discussion.

Honestly, I wouldn't care if Fortnight makes it in or not. I don't think it's very likely, but then again with the exception of Byleth and maybe Min Min I wouldn't have thought that any of the DLC fighters would be very likely so what the fuck do I know.  Sakurai and his team managed to make Minecraft in Smash work fantastically well, so there's no reason to doubt they could make any character feel fun and well-designed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 01, 2020, 02:52:21 am
As long they have unique tools to make them stand out better, even if some of their basic moves like tilts are similar or like other fighters. Fortnite might work but give the rep some tools other fighters haven't utilized yet as specials. I don't know anything about Fortnite but since Minecraft made it, anything's possible at this point, as long they originated as a video game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 01, 2020, 12:14:21 pm
Steve with gun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2020, 04:17:13 pm
Honestly, the fact that Ruined King: A League of Legends Story will be released for Switch early next year makes my foolish heart hopeful for a LoL character in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 02, 2020, 05:59:53 pm
I'll be surprised if we don't end up with any sort of League content in Smash.  At best, a Spirit Event to promote the Switch title.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2020, 07:35:29 pm
Don't you mean "at worst"?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 02, 2020, 10:13:31 pm
No, I'm pretty sure he wrote "at best". Just accept people are entitled to their own opinion lol.


Personally on the matter of League content in Smash I do not care too much. I think it could be fun if they got spirits for the promotion, and I would love a Jynx one, but I never really cared too much of the franchise so it's not something I crave.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 02, 2020, 10:45:07 pm
No, I'm pretty sure he wrote "at best". Just accept people are entitled to their own opinion lol.
Did I ask you anything? I don't think so. My question isn't disrespectful to his opinion, the way he talked about the situation made it sound like he expected even more League content than spirits, so him saying that is what he expects "at best" doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on November 03, 2020, 12:54:50 am
The actual worst outcome is buying the Switch title to unlock the Spirits and that's just ew. 

I wish for a Jinx Mii Gunner outfit with custom FX.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on November 03, 2020, 01:45:36 am
No, I'm pretty sure he wrote "at best". Just accept people are entitled to their own opinion lol.
Did I ask you anything? I don't think so. My question isn't disrespectful to his opinion, the way he talked about the situation made it sound like he expected even more League content than spirits, so him saying that is what he expects "at best" doesn't make much sense.

You did now.  ^_^
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: walt on November 03, 2020, 04:31:17 pm
I'll just go out on a limb and say it - Macaulyn97 is the angriest edgelord in these forums, and it would be best to avoid him just out of principle of avoiding a bad time because who has time for that?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 03, 2020, 07:25:22 pm
Yeah, angry edgelord because I'm talking specifically to someone thinking they made a mistake and someone else tries to play guardian of free speech as if I'm complaining. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension, it helps in forum discussions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on November 03, 2020, 07:37:36 pm
Woah there, may want to pump the brakes.
what you are doing is not descalating the situation.
This is a smash bros topic, not a big deal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on November 03, 2020, 09:48:46 pm
Yeah, angry edgelord because I'm talking specifically to someone thinking they made a mistake and someone else tries to play guardian of free speech as if I'm complaining. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension, it helps in forum discussions.
Simmer down and stop making mountains out of molehills. You are purposefully inflaming this, and have already been topic banned for shit like this. Let's try not to have a repeat of that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 10, 2020, 04:06:59 pm
New fighter reveal today:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 10, 2020, 06:39:51 pm
Whoever it is I am gonna dub them as Tracer.  I was told a Tracer will be part of the roster and I expect a Tracer to be in it  :furious2:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on December 10, 2020, 06:41:40 pm
Batman enter to smash :D I can see it to come
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 10, 2020, 06:52:11 pm
I betting for Geno or Crash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on December 10, 2020, 08:09:41 pm
I'm betting on anyone that isn't a Fortnite character. (I'm going with Postal Guy)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on December 10, 2020, 08:21:15 pm
I'm betting i'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on December 10, 2020, 08:25:47 pm
I'm freaking out if it's going to be Crash Bandicoot. GA is going to be from 1 am to 5 am for me, so I hope it's worth it lol.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 10, 2020, 08:28:58 pm
Personally I don't want it to be Crash, cause I don't care for that franchise, but he's a likely candidate.

But these days I feel like Crash is too predictable, and if Steve has taught me anything... fucking anything can happen by this point lol

I'm hoping it's Geno, simply cause of the monumental impact this reveal would have, matched with the timing, AND cause it would leave everyone wondering what in the hell could top arguably one of Smash's MOST requested character of all time, if not the most requested ever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on December 10, 2020, 08:37:58 pm
TBH I think Steve was very likely. I would not say he was such a surprising outcome.

While, I do agree that Crash seems like a predictable candidate I still believe that a stage like this would be perfect for the reveal, if any.

However, Geno ... While I do agree that it would be nice to see him in the pass, I don't truly see him in this sort of spectre. I'd rather believe it to be Sora, which would blow everyone away, and the more I talk about it, the more afraid I am that this would be the case.


Doom Guy, Ryu Hayabusa and a character from either LoL or Overwatch could come out of left field too.


No matter the character, I will come to enjoy them either way. I'm prepared.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on December 10, 2020, 08:39:22 pm
it probably won't be sora or geno, since square enix already got a rep last fighter pass, that being Hero
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 10, 2020, 08:47:07 pm
TBH I think Steve was very likely. I would not say he was such a surprising outcome.

Am I really the only person who didn't see Steve coming? Oof. I must be dumb lol

I'm really apprehensive cause of how much Fighter Pass 1 left me incredibly disappointed (aside from Terry) -- so far this Fighter Pass has been better IMO but it can always go sour. I'm gonna not get my hopes up.

That and considering the characters I want for the fighter pass... yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 10, 2020, 08:52:55 pm
we're gonna see how the first half of fighters pass 2 ends, and then around next year they'll start the 2nd half of fighters pass 2

I'm hoping crash is in it, otherwise he'll be last
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on December 10, 2020, 08:55:24 pm
TBH I think Steve was very likely. I would not say he was such a surprising outcome.

Am I really the only person who didn't see Steve coming? Oof. I must be dumb lol


You're not dumb by that reason, or any reason at all.
Minecraft content was rumoured prior to the release of SMUltimate. Vergeben had a giant track record for leaking content for the game. Sakurai did say that the Steve-Minecraft deal has been in the works for 5 years, so meaning that while MC content was absent from launch it still did happen, so most people had Steve on the radar due to that, and what many speculators pointed out that Minecraft was (and perhaps still is) the most sold video game ever, so it's a common sense choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 10, 2020, 09:01:56 pm
TBH I think Steve was very likely. I would not say he was such a surprising outcome.

Am I really the only person who didn't see Steve coming? Oof. I must be dumb lol


You're not dumb by that reason, or any reason at all.
Minecraft content was rumoured prior to the release of SMUltimate. Vergeben had a giant track record for leaking content for the game. Sakurai did say that the Steve-Minecraft deal has been in the works for 5 years, so meaning that while MC content was absent from launch it still did happen, so most people had Steve on the radar due to that, and what many speculators pointed out that Minecraft was (and perhaps still is) the most sold video game ever, so it's a common sense choice.

That's fair enough.

Personally I stay away from leaks -- I like to follow mild rumors and my own theories/desires. So anything from Verge, I'm always in the dark on.

That is all pretty sound logic, yeah -- he did surprise me in general, but overall, from that standpoint, he was a logical decision for an addition.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on December 10, 2020, 09:31:04 pm
I'm not expecting Geno because I seriously doubt Nintendo wants to go to the hassle of dealing with Square yet again for some second rate side character in a one off game.

I'm not expecting Sora either because that would mean having to deal with double headaches from Square AND Disney.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 10, 2020, 11:41:46 pm
Frankly, I'd imagine Disney wouldn't mind whatever antics Smash puts Kingdom Hearts through, because nothing out of Smash is going to top the nonsense Kingdom Hearts itself puts both Disney's characters and its own characters through.  Final Fantasy gets the short end of the stick to the point KH3 wanted to shove them out of the narrative altogether.  Disney's just going to want their share of the pie, and....that's the same all across the board of third-parties, not really a knock against Sora.  Disney the company's no angel, but I am left to imagine in this case Square's the biggest threshold to cross for his inclusion, what with how unreasonable they've been. (I still have no idea why they went through the hassle to make Sora for World of Final Fantasy....for a limited time, then cut him)

But I'm expecting DoomGuy anyways.  Doom's anniversary, Eternal pushed back until just recently and both sides making a big deal out of this port even being possible, Doom's had a long history with Nintendo.  Plus the general elephant in the room how important Doom is to video games as a whole, which is a focus of Smash.  Won't be angry if it's someone else, will probably just roll my eyes if it is the Fortnite crew, but DoomGuy feels right at this point if they're going to wait for the Game Awards to announce whoever it is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 10, 2020, 11:43:38 pm
Geno isn't a likely announcement - tonight at the very least - because his popularity at this stage is limited exclusively to the niche faction of Smash Bros fans who haven't stopped begging for him in Smash since the days of Melee.  It's not something to announce at an industry-wide event of this scale if you want to generate any hype.  I'm guessing Crash Bandicoot or Doom Slayer but it really could be anything at this point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 10, 2020, 11:51:38 pm
Here before it's Ellie form Last of Us 2 just for the trolling of the anti-hype machine that brewed before its launch to pair up with it winning GotY.

Hah, could you imagine?  Like Sakurai trying to top their own Fire Emblem DLC disappointment, minus the genuine affection the guy at least has for that franchise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on December 11, 2020, 01:08:00 am
sephiroth  :yuno:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 11, 2020, 01:09:01 am
How the ACTUAL fuck is it Sephiroth?  Square was so fucking stingy with barely allowing Cloud in the game.  What changed?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 11, 2020, 01:10:20 am
Oh so this is their compensation for botching everything for Cloud.

And for Sora's inevitable denial in entry.

(Chocobo hats yay)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 11, 2020, 01:12:24 am
SEPHIROTH LESGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT, THIS IS A DLC CHARACTER.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on December 11, 2020, 01:12:51 am
I don’t know what to expect from this pass anymore tbh. Anybody from Liu Kang to freaking Bubsy is fair game at this point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 11, 2020, 01:19:05 am
RIP to Geno and Sora for sure now.  No way that Squenix is getting 3 DLC slots to themselves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 11, 2020, 01:19:46 am
Every time there's an unexpected character we say anything can happen and we're STILL surprised.

Sakurai, Nintendo, how do you do it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 11, 2020, 01:21:26 am


Sword Tracer trailer.


The most surprising of it all is we don't have to wait till Feb 2021 for this.

RIP to Geno and Sora for sure now.  No way that Squenix is getting 3 DLC slots to themselves.
The moment the Geno Mii Costume shows up on screen.....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on December 11, 2020, 01:22:40 am
To be honest, I never expected Sephiroth of all people, at all. Always good to include a nemesis of a hero in Smash :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on December 11, 2020, 01:23:34 am
Well, I wasn't expecting that. Looks pretty lit.   :watchout:

This makes up for the last few duds we got (in my opinion, anyway).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on December 11, 2020, 01:24:04 am
Master Chief doesn’t seem like a pipe dream anymore. Would’ve loved Lara over anybody else from Square due to her being an icon though. It’s cool, not even mad about Seph, just surprised as fuck.

Just gimme Crash pls Sakurai :c
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on December 11, 2020, 01:25:54 am
as a person who bought the season pass Im pretty happy with sephiroth enter to smash and we're on diciembre :D it supposed to be really soon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on December 11, 2020, 01:29:43 am
You know, I remember myself and some other people talking about the old Seven Square Characters rumour from last year, and recall well that one of the more likely candidates would definitely be Sephiroth due to his pedrigree as a character. Didn't think I'd be in an odd way, right about that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 11, 2020, 01:35:09 am
Heck yeah that's one way to end the first half of fighters pass 2:  we officially got a villain dlc finally

*plays one winged angel advent children version*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 11, 2020, 01:40:46 am
The question must be begged -- what the hell is next?

I'm excited and afraid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on December 11, 2020, 01:46:32 am
whatever happened next we won't be disappointed so no matter what character sakurai puts into smash the amount of love he puts them is memorable
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: T_DR on December 11, 2020, 02:06:11 am
*Gets flashbacks on Gulthor's Sephiroth*

And the funny thing is, I just beat the FFVII Remake a few days ago. xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 11, 2020, 03:11:34 am
They didn't have the balls to give us Gilgamesh. Wusses.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 11, 2020, 03:13:03 am
Mr. Sakurai Presents Sephiroth (https://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-mr-sakurai-presents-sephiroth-announced-for-december-17/) presentation scheduled for the 17th.

His fighter page (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/78.html) is up on the official site now, along with his full render.  He has a shirtless alt to match his final appearance in FFVII, for all the thirsty fangirls and boys.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 11, 2020, 03:39:17 am
He has a shirtless alt to match his final appearance in FFVII, for all the thirsty fangirls and boys.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 11, 2020, 03:55:24 am
Wow, I can't believe it.  Vergil got in.  And after Dante finished the last pack, too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 11, 2020, 03:52:39 pm
Well, now that Sephiroth is in. It's obviously that a Geno Mii costume will be returned and finally some spirits from Final Fantasy VII. Also, to point out that a costume of Tifa and/or Barret will be as Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 11, 2020, 04:05:10 pm
Actuallly, that brings up an excellent point.  The original FFVII polygonal models would make splendid deluxe Mii costumes, and if that is the case they are doing something for the rest of the Avalanche gang I'd hope that's the route they go.  Because ultimately it'll fit better than any sort of update they try to give them to match the Mii models better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 11, 2020, 05:03:27 pm
i'm hoping they brought back the chocobro hat
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on December 11, 2020, 05:20:49 pm
i'm hoping they brought back the chocobro hat

That will be confirmed, that's for sure. Maybe a Turks outfit or maybe some other Square Enix title like TWEWY and so on.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on December 11, 2020, 06:44:40 pm
I seriously cannot believe they added Sephirot.
I'm in a loss of words.
Now if only they upgrade Cloud's character spirits with an actually original FF7 render.
Also I want more songs from FF to be in Ultimate.
2 midi songs are so boring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 12, 2020, 12:02:21 am
If we actually get more than the Advent Children arrangement of One-Winged Angel that the trailer used and Squenix actually lets him have his pick of music, then J-E-N-O-V-A or Birth of a God would be appropriate picks.  Maybe even Those Chosen by the Planet, considering that's his actual theme.

Personally, I'm hoping he somehow managed to get the Lil' Stamp theme song from FFVIIR.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: k6666orochi on December 13, 2020, 02:18:23 am
If we actually get more than the Advent Children arrangement of One-Winged Angel that the trailer used and Squenix actually lets him have his pick of music, then J-E-N-O-V-A or Birth of a God would be appropriate picks.  Maybe even Those Chosen by the Planet, considering that's his actual theme.

Personally, I'm hoping he somehow managed to get the Lil' Stamp theme song from FFVIIR.
and talking about Advent Children
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on December 15, 2020, 12:50:46 am
I'm hoping they'll finally add the Bombing Mission theme to Smash. Sephiroth's addition really shocked the life out of me. I was not expecting this at all. Of course there's gonna be angry Smash fans due to the fact Sephiroth is yet another sword-wielding fighter coming to Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 15, 2020, 01:12:17 am
I'm hoping they'll finally add the Bombing Mission theme to Smash. Sephiroth's addition really shocked the life out of me. I was not expecting this at all. Of course there's gonna be angry Smash fans due to the fact Sephiroth is yet another sword-wielding fighter coming to Smash Bros.

A lot of the characters people are asking for are sword-boys anyways. Dante and Sora are both sword boys at the end of the day. By this point I think everyone is just sword-boy tsundere lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 17, 2020, 11:41:22 pm
Ripperoni to Geno, once and for all.  They didn't even upgrade him to a deluxe costume like Sans.  The Barret, Tifa, and Aerith Miis are a nice addition, though. 

The FFVII music selection is looking very nice, in that FFVII actually has a music selection now.  Wasn't expecting Cosmo Canyon at all, much less a new arrangement, but I'll happily take it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on December 17, 2020, 11:44:48 pm
they got some advent children tracks as well especially my favorite version of one winged angel
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 18, 2020, 12:02:16 am
I knew deep down Geno would be another mii costume. He's not even deluxe, goddamn. That stings.

As hype as I am for Sephiroth I must say I really don't care for Final Fantasy, so I skipped this presentation and just waited for the Mii costumes.

But the Geno sting is just so disappointing. One by one, all the characters I want are getting deconfirmed, and none of these other characters have been able to make up for it. I still love Smash but Ultimate has been both a blessed game and a cursed game for me. Christ.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 18, 2020, 12:10:08 am
Sakurai gleefully shouting "Hell's Gate" over and over again was not what I was expecting from him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 18, 2020, 12:13:35 am
Ah well to the Mii costume idea.  It was a nice idea for almost a week.  The actual ones aren't "bad", just the Virtua Fighter treatment would have been a lot cooler.

Guess it's gonna be fun for a while finding the limit of what counts as a "strong hit" per Sephiroth's counter.  Funny, I was joking at announcement how his final smash would have to be Super Nova, and they'd force everyone to wait 2 minutes per use.  I didn't think they'd actually do it replicating the FFVII version on, like, x20 fast-forward speed for real though, I thought they'd just, like, do their own version of what Dissidia was doing.  Since they were borrowing from them anyways.  Seeing what they went with gave me a good laugh for a bit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on December 18, 2020, 01:29:09 am
Honestly the worst news to come out of this stream is that All-Star Boss Rush is restricted only to Sephiroth's Classic Route WHY

Also the moment when Sakurai suddenly spoke in Frame Data language before snapping back to reality was funny.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: T_DR on December 18, 2020, 05:17:09 am
Honestly the worst news to come out of this stream is that All-Star Boss Rush is restricted only to Sephiroth's Classic Route WHY

If I had to request one other feature, It would definelty be the having the option to have Classic mode being randomized instead of fighting the fixed/set opponents depending on who you play as. Of course the randomizer being Master and Crazy Hand always being the final boss for every character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 19, 2020, 05:06:52 pm
They let Yoko Shimamura do the remix for Cosmo Canyon and HOOOOOOOOLY shit is it incredible.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 20, 2020, 12:14:02 am
Looks like the issues between Nintendo and Square Enix is pretty much over... I mean, getting Sephiroth is big enough. But to add Mii costumes for three of the other heroes, a Mii costume for Geno (Hey, you guys recognize that Super Mario RPG exists), quintupling the music from VII and being able to unlock him AND his stage early.

Sakurai and his team have gone above the call of duty here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on December 20, 2020, 12:20:10 am
Looks like the issues between Nintendo and Square Enix is pretty much over... I mean, getting Sephiroth is big enough. But to add Mii costumes for three of the other heroes, a Mii costume for Geno (Hey, you guys recognize that Super Mario RPG exists), quintupling the music from VII and being able to unlock him AND his stage early.

Sakurai and his team have gone above the call of duty here.

Well, the Geno Mii costume was from Smash 4 so it returning makes a lot of sense. Additionally Sakurai mentioned that a lot of the music issues involve multiple copyright holders for pieces, I believe. Stuff like that is apparently difficult to sort out so they did the best they could here.

While I do commend the team for their hard work... I'm not convinced that Square is any less stingy yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on December 24, 2020, 04:18:09 am
Quite possibly the most important buff that got rolled out with this update:

(https://i.redd.it/a9zz6ltnjz661.jpg)

They finally let them add Cloud's original artwork to his spirit.  Between this, the new stage and music tracks, and the slew of new spirits on Sephiroth's spirit board, I feel like they've actually made up for how miserly they were with Final Fantasy content until now.  Now FFVII actually has the kind of representation it deserved to have from the start.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on December 24, 2020, 05:16:19 am
Hm.  I do not recall prior, did his spirit before just label his series as "Final Fantasy" and not VII specifically like a number of other instances in the game?

I suppose it does not really matter and no reason to look into it further as far as this game and this pass is concerned, Sephiroth was a pleasant but unexpected surprise by himself, I don't expect them to branch out beyond VII for, like, Warrior of Light or Terra or Lightning or whatever any time soon.  But it curious how specific they were with most other labels pertaining to Cloud that he represent FFVIII specifically and not the series as a whole, but here it's the blanket series name.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on January 06, 2021, 10:59:24 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1346622515804827654

Next Spirit event will include characters from BotW: Age Of Calamity that also has Impa.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 16, 2021, 05:26:40 pm
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1361676737730519042

New official Nintendo direct after 12 years that will feature Smash Ultimate news.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 16, 2021, 05:53:40 pm
... really now?

I wonder what it will be. It feels... a little too soon for a new character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 16, 2021, 05:57:20 pm
Yea, I was thinking the next character would not be ready till around June if we are to assume the final DLC will be finished by next year.  Maybe we are getting all remaining DLCs for this year with Feb 2022's DLC being the return of the ballot choice?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 16, 2021, 05:59:27 pm
It's been 2 months since Seph announcement.

Actually it does seem pretty quick...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 16, 2021, 06:06:02 pm
Yeah it feels VERY quick, especially for Smash standards.

If it IS a new character, I'm not complaining... but I wonder why now?

I dunno about a ballot though -- all the DLC has already been decided on.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on February 16, 2021, 06:28:49 pm
I bet it will be Crash Bandicoot or Spyro for Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on February 16, 2021, 07:43:51 pm
I bet it will be Batman.! or Goku.!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on February 16, 2021, 07:49:50 pm
I bet it will be Batman.! or Goku.!

Give it a rest. Goku will never be in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on February 16, 2021, 07:52:33 pm
I bet it will be Batman.! or Goku.!

Give it a rest. Goku will never be in Smash.

after seeing a minecraft character in the game, so everything is possible
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 16, 2021, 07:56:24 pm
after seeing a minecraft character in the game, so everything is possible

If they’re not a video game character then they’re not possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on February 16, 2021, 08:59:39 pm
Woah!  Nintendo direct that states a feauturing of Smash Ultimate? ... Well, next DLC, here it comes.

It's going to Crash the internet again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on February 16, 2021, 09:25:49 pm
It's been 2 months since Seph announcement.

Actually it does seem pretty quick...

It looks pretty quick because of the continuous droughts between characters, not really helped by the longer deadline. This picture is very outdated, but it still illustrates the point, well, the point before Sephiroth was announced that is:
(https://arch-img.b4k.co/v/1598526455724.png)
It feels like a real miracle that characters are now announced with a better pace, but I still dread the idea of another drought, especially when the deadline still has a solid ten months left.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 16, 2021, 09:55:22 pm
I was honestly thinking the gaps were closer to 3 months, but I guess it's about the right time after all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on February 16, 2021, 11:29:40 pm
I bet it will be Batman.! or Goku.!

Give it a rest. Goku will never be in Smash.

after seeing a minecraft character in the game, so everything is possible

If they’re not a video game character then they’re not possible.

I bet there's gonna be some SEGA collaboration, for this next DLC spot.

So...

Kirito, from the famous Sword Art Online series, it will be :smug3:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 16, 2021, 11:36:04 pm
I bet it will be Batman.! or Goku.!

Give it a rest. Goku will never be in Smash.

after seeing a minecraft character in the game, so everything is possible

If they’re not a video game character then they’re not possible.

I bet there's gonna be some SEGA collaboration, for this next DLC spot.

So...

Kirito, from the famous Sword Art Online series, it will be :smug3:

or how about axel stone from streets of rage?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 16, 2021, 11:47:03 pm
If it's someone from SEGA, it should be Tails or Eggman.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Yagoshi300 on February 17, 2021, 12:14:55 am
It better be another character that nobody asked for juuuuuust to shatter everyone's expectations.

Like, seriously. Does anybody have asked for Sephiroth? No.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 12:16:42 am
Like, seriously. Does anybody have asked for Sephiroth? No.

That's... incorrect lol

A lot of people predicted Sephiroth, I remember RogersBase did a video on his plausibility (I'm pretty sure it was him anyways). Plus plenty of folks love Final Fantasy VII so I'm sure there were people who both predicted him AND wanted him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on February 17, 2021, 12:31:50 am
I bet it will be Batman.! or Goku.!

Give it a rest. Goku will never be in Smash.

after seeing a minecraft character in the game, so everything is possible

If they’re not a video game character then they’re not possible.

I bet there's gonna be some SEGA collaboration, for this next DLC spot.

So...

Kirito, from the famous Sword Art Online series, it will be :smug3:

or how about axel stone from streets of rage?

If it's someone from SEGA, it should be Tails or Eggman.

Those are pretty rich ideas. :)


But... sadly, they don't carry a sword. So they all out of Nintendo's radar :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 17, 2021, 12:34:24 am
Like, seriously. Does anybody have asked for Sephiroth? No.
Japan community has him in Top 10 for their requested pick.

Said list also has a Gundam in it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 12:44:39 am
But... sadly, they don't carry a sword. So they all out of Nintendo's radar :(

LOL!

This logic also, thankfully, means Crash is also out of their radar. :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 17, 2021, 01:39:14 am
People still thinking there is amy logic to which characters they pick?

Either way I don't think they will reveal the next character on this Direct, probably just show the next spirit event and give a date for the next reveal, and maybe drop a hint on who it will be.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 01:53:20 am
People still thinking there is amy logic to which characters they pick?

Either way I don't think they will reveal the next character on this Direct, probably just show the next spirit event and give a date for the next reveal, and maybe drop a hint on who it will be.

The logic nowadays tends to be "it makes sense from a business perspective", that's the only pattern I can think of.

And I would say I believe that... but that calendar has me on the fence about what's gonna happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on February 17, 2021, 02:09:18 am
For all intents and purposes, Nintendo would've already disclosed if we weren't getting a character by now if that were the case, not to mention that spirit events are always announced via Twitter, never through directs. That said, they can always dance around that by putting the next character's model from behind, or by just doing the same shit as ARMs (not that I want either of those things to happen). I'd be more concerned about what happens after the direct. Tens months have more than enough room for a pair of info droughts, and it already happened three times: once after Joker, then another after Byleth and a third one with Min Min.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 17, 2021, 02:39:52 am
As long as we're all speculating, I may as well throw the latest semi-plausible speculation out there.  A little while ago  a post was unearthed from May 2019 (https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2020/dec/23/rumor-sakurai-choices-leak-ssbu/#:~:text=Notably%2C%20characters%20on%20the%20list,%2C%20Byleth%2C%20Steve%20and%20Sephiroth.) that claimed to be the list of characters that Nintendo had approved as potential DLC.  It was understandably dismissed as total horseshit at the time, but it's come back into light recently because it's seemingly gotten everything right so far.

Spoiler: The list in question (click to see content)

It's worth pointing out that the original post was made on 5/31/19, when Joker was the only DLC fighter revealed, and it correctly predicted Hero (with both Erdrick and Luminary, no less), Banjo, Terry, Byleth, Steve, and Sephiroth.  The only omission is Min-Min, who we already know was a last minute addition after the pandemic forced them to change their development plans. 

As always, take everything with a huge grain of salt, but I will say that being able to correctly guess so many unlikely longshot characters to lend it some credence.  I'm hoping against hope that we'll actually see Porky in Smash, but Professor Layton wouldn't be too bad either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 02:43:08 am
Yikes... that list is a 50/50 of stuff I'd be very happy to see and stuff I'd be very unhappy to see lol

Fingers crossed that expectations are shattered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on February 17, 2021, 03:01:03 am
Give me Axel or Klonoa and I'm good. Else, shatter my expectations cuz I barely have any. XD
WAIT, I take back my last statement. Either give a Streets of Rage or Sonic rep because BOTH series 30th anniversaries are coming. (Sonic in June, Streets of Rage in August)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 17, 2021, 03:08:26 am
Why do I feel like Chun-li's inclusion in imminent?  It's like Cloud/Sephiroth.  Wherever Ryu goes, Chun-Li has to tag along for some reason.  Has there ever been a crossover or a collab where these two are not together?

Also it's worth pointing out a handful on that list are Mii Outfits.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on February 17, 2021, 03:20:23 am
Ah, that old list. I'm rather conflicted about it. On one hand, it's truly possible that whoever posted that list made sure to snatch as many names as possible before, but on the other, would anyone fishing names go as far as looking into characters like Arthur while also omitting more popular guys like Dante? That's the part where things become more headscratching.

But now that the list was brought up, I wanna share some rumours. It's always good to have some food for thought before the next reveal.

Spoiler: Rumour one (click to see content)

Spoiler: Rumour two (click to see content)

Spoiler: Rumour three (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on February 17, 2021, 04:19:45 am
Spoiler: The list in question (click to see content)


I wouldn't complain if they put chun-li into the roster but I know it will be Batman or some random character that anybody has been waiting for, but everybody will love anyway :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on February 17, 2021, 04:57:30 am
Are you serious right now? Batman or all people? Quit it already. Only those who originated in video games can be in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 05:16:52 am
I wouldn't complain if they put chun-li into the roster but I know it will be Batman or some random character that anybody has been waiting for, but everybody will love anyway :D

I hope you're joking by this point lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 17, 2021, 05:46:19 am
Why do I feel like Chun-li's inclusion in imminent?  It's like Cloud/Sephiroth.  Wherever Ryu goes, Chun-Li has to tag along for some reason.  Has there ever been a crossover or a collab where these two are not together?

Also it's worth pointing out a handful on that list are Mii Outfits.

Honestly I thought that Chun-Li would be a shoe-in for an Assist Trophy, but then they went with fucking Guile (most hilarious assist trophy btw).

Maybe her being in the DLC shortlist is the reason why.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 05:47:16 am
The thing is... we'd have FOUR Capcom reps then, three of them from Street Fighter lol

Not that I'd be complaining, but damn, talk about some serious Capcom love.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 17, 2021, 05:57:01 am
Chun-Li could work in Smash by incorporating EX-moves and basing her combos from the Versus series.  Final Smash can be Shichisei Senkukyaku.

But honestly, I rather have a Capcom rep that isn't from Street Fighter.  Chun-Li is better off as a Mii Outfit for Brawler.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 05:58:02 am
If we DO get another Capcom rep, I'd hope it to be Phoenix Wright. Though, I'd also accept Monster Hunter. Maybe lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on February 17, 2021, 09:40:27 am
I am excited to see who it may be regardless of rumors and leaks. I will enjoy the direct The only one I didn't enjoy was Hero because I am not a Dragon Quest fan... But I hope we see Doomguy or Ryu Hayabusa both are good choices in my book.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 17, 2021, 02:41:34 pm
Only Capcom rep I'd want is Arthur.

And Doomguy is out of question. To include him he'd have to be severely nerfed, to the point he'd become just a generic shooting guy, and Sakurai already said he's against censoring characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on February 17, 2021, 09:22:54 pm
it's something related with :yuno: HOHO or JOJO :D so sorry it wont be batman today  :/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 17, 2021, 09:36:57 pm
You really need to stop that joke about seeing a non VG character appear in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 17, 2021, 10:21:59 pm
At this point it's just whining. They were very specific when saying only videogame characters would be added.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: CinderFallFan on February 17, 2021, 10:41:21 pm
At that point, I wish they just stop hoping for characters that'll never get in ever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 17, 2021, 11:05:24 pm
Congrats Xenoblade fans you now created a massive war between character enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 17, 2021, 11:06:39 pm
Well, I don't think anyone was expecting Pyra and Mythra without Rex.   Interesting.  Sorta bringing back the old Zelda/Sheik dynamic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 17, 2021, 11:08:11 pm
Rex got cucked lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 17, 2021, 11:09:11 pm
While I’m happy for more Xenoblade rep, this is not something I personally wanted so I am a bit disappointed lol

Oh well. That’s quite the running pattern with me and DLC for this game lmao
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 17, 2021, 11:10:54 pm


Fire sword Tracer and Light manipulating Tracer reveal.

I am not going to stop calling these beings Tracer until I see the actual Tracer as this thread promised me a Tracer.  Where's my god damn Tracer?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 17, 2021, 11:12:40 pm
Expected/10.

Honestly while it's yet another swordsperson, it's fair to those who were cucked a little at the start of the first pass since Sakurai said he originally wanted to include something of that sort.

Plus those blursed dub voices.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 18, 2021, 12:04:22 am
Official page with screenshots is up. (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/79-80.html)

Small tidbit to note, but they're counted as multiple characters in the overall tally in the same way that Pokemon Trainer's pokemon are, making Pyra/Mythra fighters #79 and #80.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 18, 2021, 12:05:23 am
so basically that mii swordfighter costume of rex was just foreshadowing a xenoblade 2 rep? Seems legit
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 18, 2021, 12:05:36 am
Watch people not cry about another anime swordsman because boobs.

Put me in not excited. I'll try them out and see how their 2 in 1 mechanic works but I can't see myself playing them very long.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 18, 2021, 12:06:46 am
also they did it, they've reached 80 fighters and the second half of fighters pass 2 has already started

also also that's strike 1 for crash as i've always wanted him to be last
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on February 18, 2021, 12:10:08 am
Watch people not cry about another anime swordsman because boobs.
Sadly you are right lol. I am glad we got a new Xenoblade rep they were the best choice I hate the idea of Rex being a fighter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 18, 2021, 12:12:57 am
Honestly if Rex was confirmed, we will once again have to get through another period of anguish from the Geno clan.


I just realized something from all this.  We could see Kos-Mos as a Mii Outfit and even Xenogears tracks now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 18, 2021, 12:15:02 am
now let's talk about the stage for xenoblade 2:

while shulk had gaur plains which is way big, pyra/mythra has a ship stage, that's cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 18, 2021, 12:15:54 am
It's not going to be a legal stage, so eh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 12:17:26 am
Regardless of stage legality, I think the stage itself does look pretty neat.

I don't play competitively so stage legality is thankfully not a factor toward my enjoyment lol... and by this point I'll take whatever positives I can get.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Joey S. on February 18, 2021, 12:19:50 am
God dammit, Sakurai.

That is all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 18, 2021, 12:20:31 am
Watch people not cry about another anime swordsman because boobs.

Oh, no no no.  The usual crowd of degenerates is imploding right on cue, as usual.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/321/099/b44.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on February 18, 2021, 12:22:02 am
I do have one thing to say though: why does the ship's head look a lot like eva-01 from Neon Genesis Evangelion
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on February 18, 2021, 12:30:16 am
Watch people not cry about another anime swordsman because boobs.

Oh, no no no.  The usual crowd of degenerates is imploding right on cue, as usual.

Maybe I'll go look for this so I can feel better even if I'm not particularly excited for Pyra/Mythra myself.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 18, 2021, 12:35:42 am
I don't have problems with anime-ish characters per say, but Jesus, it's becoming quite repetitive due to how generic those are.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Koop on February 18, 2021, 12:39:48 am
I'm so hyped for Pyra and Mythra. Their page is up on the smash bros site.
This reminds me that I need to roll for KOS-MOS in XB2 lol.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2021, 12:40:11 am
Jeez, Dante keeps looking weirder and weirder each time he comes out.  I thought the Smash devs were professionals about this.

So, this one personally I'm considerably less annoyed about than Byleth from a year-or-so back because the Xeno conglomerate by and large is considerably less represented than it could be, and while I can't count myself amongst the fans it has it does leave big enough a mark that it really SHOULD be more than Shulk.  Granted that mark is also about as big as a Mana series character or Phantasy Star or whatever, just sayin', Crono's been lonely for the longest time with Square.

This character in a sense was also supposedly going to be in the base game and circumstance just prevented it, so this is more fulfilling a promise, kinda.  Either way, they're an actual CHARCTER over a self-insert, so I personally appreciate that more at least.  This character(s) are comically ridiculous in their designs though.  It's like a Xenogears artist got addicted to playing Dragon's Crown.  Still unlikely to play them regardless.  The sword thing's starting to wear on me as well, frankly, without prior first-hand knowledge of the character.  At least Sephiroth is a childhood icon.

I think the thing most bothering me is a possible misunderstanding by simply not playing the games and my knowledge comes from hearsay.  But it was my understanding that the ladies literally WERE the swords?  Your zanpakto or what have you, they're spirits or A.I. or something living in the sword.  They can't themselves lift them and use them, that's the whole reason why they have masters.  And tying into gameplay they stand off on the side and channel their power into the sword which Blue MC Hammerpants uses in combat.

Just confirming my understanding their usage here in Smash is lore breaking?  Would not be the first time, just odd to see the practice continued.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on February 18, 2021, 12:51:42 am
Next to other character ideas out there, I can take Mythra and Pyra. I know there was a crowd begging for another Xenoblade character and that's pretty good as is.
Also, it's very funny to think how people were excited about ARMs and Xenoblade 2 being back on the menu when the pass first started, thinking they'd get Spring Man and Rex, just for other characters to appear in their places.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2021, 01:00:09 am
To be fair, they were expecting the faces of the franchises.  This is essentially what would be instead of getting Cloud and Ryu we got Barret and Sagat.  Prominent players of the game's world, story and gameplay....not exactly front and center of the posters and merchandise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on February 18, 2021, 01:08:49 am
Sakurai did it again hehe although I've never played Xenoblade but her gameplay looks fun and that stage looks so sick.! with a lot of details  :sweetheart: I think everybody is  :yuno: now.xD SAKURAI.!!! the leaks said Crash bandicoot
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 18, 2021, 01:15:10 am
To be fair, they were expecting the faces of the franchises.  This is essentially what would be instead of getting Cloud and Ryu we got Barret and Sagat.  Prominent players of the game's world, story and gameplay....not exactly front and center of the posters and merchandise.

Min Min did it to Spring Man, too.  The age of the Protagonist is over;  Now is the age of the Waifu.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2021, 01:22:25 am
Sometimes I forget Min Min is in this game.  Didn't play Arms, just saw others at it, and only with Flubber.  And tried her out when she dropped, it's.....FINE, but not in my wheelhouse.  I'll stick to Samus and Cloud, thanks.  Arms just also doesn't have that popularity clout to make her stand out more, she's just....there.

Besides Geno, were there any other characters we know Sakurai had intentions for but got the boot for one reason or another?  Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a fairly well-documented one.  We had the supposed Monster Hunter getting dropped WAY early on for actual monster representation as per Capcom's desire and the toolset was likely reworked into Byleth.  Don't particularly recall anyone but I'm not exactly an encyclopedia on the topic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on February 18, 2021, 01:26:17 am
To be fair, they were expecting the faces of the franchises.  This is essentially what would be instead of getting Cloud and Ryu we got Barret and Sagat.  Prominent players of the game's world, story and gameplay....not exactly front and center of the posters and merchandise.

Min Min did it to Spring Man, too.  The age of the Protagonist is over;  Now is the age of the Waifu.
So you're saying Chun-Li has a chance :readgoi:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on February 18, 2021, 01:28:54 am
I would love to have Chunners if only because then we could have some more Street Fighter songs that aren't from 2. That was probably one of the biggest letdowns from vanilla Ultimate, and now they have a chance to fix that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 18, 2021, 01:35:15 am
Min Min did it to Spring Man, too.  The age of the Protagonist is over;  Now is the age of the Waifu.
So you're saying Chun-Li has a chance :readgoi:

Nah, I'm saying that the next trailer's gonna have a bunch of Kingdom Hearts music and then announce Kairi as the next fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2021, 01:37:05 am
You say that ironically, but the way ReMind and Melody of Memory is setting her up as a potential replacement star....

Besides, I thought the fan base was through with Kairi since KH2, it's all about Aqua since BBS.

Hah.  My favorite takeaway comment from this character reveal I'm stealing for here: "They got tired of adding anime swordsmen so they added an anime sword".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 18, 2021, 01:52:58 am
Boring and predictable. Meh.

I wish Nintendo remembered Kururin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 18, 2021, 02:36:57 am
You know, it just occurred to me that Sakurai already upped the ante for Fighter Pass 2 by making it have 6 new characters instead of 5, and now here we find out that one of those characters is two entire characters.  What an absolute madlad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on February 18, 2021, 03:52:25 am
When a reveal makes me go 'Who??', it's going to be a hard sell for me. Don't get me wrong, I understand there are fans of the Xenoblade series out there... but I'm not that familiar with it outside of Shulk in the Smash games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2021, 04:08:27 am
It is not that big of a series.  Looking it up, the biggest entry in it, Chronicles 2 which Pyra here hails from, is only a bit over 2 million and the remastering of Shulk's game is a bit over 1.  It appears to just also not have been expected to have done that well to begin with, has done markedly better in the west than expected and is notably Nintendo-exclusive.  And while not monumental, 2 million sold isn't nothing either.  It has just the right checkmarks of interest is there yet has room to grow that marketing through Smash now would be prime time for it.

Not that sales alone should be a basis, else we would have gotten, I dunno, 2B or Shantae long before more Xenoblade content specifically.  Or you know, Pokemon Sword and Shield's stupidly high numbers and the headache of controversy that baggage would carry with it.

Part of my brain is bugged a bit by their inclusion going against Smash's impetus on being all-stars of video gaming in general, but then the other half points out that they should let Nintendo-exclusive successes get their moment of fame they deserve.  But the characters are very C-tier in Nintendo's long history, so ehhhh....there's numerous third-party characters WAY more regarded that would have been preferred, and just from Nintendo's stock there's certainly more than a handful.  Still wholeheartedly think Midna should have gotten an upgrade out of assist trophy hell.

But I can't be too hard on the game.  Haven't played it, only know what I know of it thanks to Dunkey.  And it really tells me all I need to ever know on the game. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiVZMxf4E2Q)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on February 18, 2021, 05:09:20 am
I dunno who she is, and don't wanna know who she is, but she has a cute belly button from what a friend showed me. Definitely the Bayonetta for this one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: T_DR on February 18, 2021, 05:24:32 am
If they are fun to play as, then I may consider playing the Xenoblade series just like how Joker in Smash got me into the Persona series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Miru962 on February 18, 2021, 05:29:42 am
To be fair, they were expecting the faces of the franchises.  This is essentially what would be instead of getting Cloud and Ryu we got Barret and Sagat.  Prominent players of the game's world, story and gameplay....not exactly front and center of the posters and merchandise.

Min Min did it to Spring Man, too.  The age of the Protagonist is over;  Now is the age of the Waifu.

What if the protagonist IS the Waifu? Is there henceforth a "Waifu Hierarchy" now? So Rulue and Accord are more likely to represent Puyo now than any protag?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on February 18, 2021, 05:33:14 am
As cool as Rulue would be in Smash if she's anything like in Mugen, clearly they should make a "Puyo Man" that's made up of a bunch of them. Can't say it couldn't happen cause Game and Watch.

Min ain't anything in the Arms roster. That's Twintelle who is #1. Min got in because the Arms team said to choose her.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 05:44:43 am
By the "age of gals/waifus" logic, Crash's trailer is gonna be him getting fucking launched out of orbit by Coco who then takes the letter and joins the fight




I kinda want that now lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on February 18, 2021, 09:33:50 am
Alright.
Mythra will be my main.
Because I love pantyhose character girls.
I know it's a censorship, but I still like her Smash redesign.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 18, 2021, 11:43:44 am
The fans got cucked at the start of FP1 with the Rex costume so honestly I'm glad they finally managed to get something. The stance change thing is cool, but I can't help seeing a bunch of FE animations being recycled which is a bit lame, especially when Shulk exists in all his unique glory. All's good if we get some Definitive Edition/Future Connected tracks, plus I know Etika would've loved this.

But it should've been Reyn really.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on February 18, 2021, 02:46:28 pm
I don't mind it being Pyra and Mythra. I don't know much of Xenoblade, but I know that a lot of people wanted Rex & Pyra for the longest time, so, I'm ok with their inclusion.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Miru962 on February 18, 2021, 06:59:38 pm
As cool as Rulue would be in Smash if she's anything like in Mugen, clearly they should make a "Puyo Man" that's made up of a bunch of them. Can't say it couldn't happen cause Game and Watch.

Min ain't anything in the Arms roster. That's Twintelle who is #1. Min got in because the Arms team said to choose her.

As a fan of the characters and story, I'd actually be low-key offended at that concept for a representative. Why this? Why represent the gameplay alone without the narrative elements in play as much? Even Monokuma would be kind of off as a fighter. Anyways, Pyra's a fine choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on February 18, 2021, 09:34:09 pm
JRPG Supremacy puts it's shiny, blessed foot over all of us once more;
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 18, 2021, 11:22:42 pm
Some celebratory artwork (https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1362185273354956821) from the Xenoblade series character designer.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eud0RWgVIAMdKhd.jpg)

I love the valiant attempt to make Mario's giant doofy face conform to JRPG anime style.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2021, 11:33:22 pm
Mario always looks awkward in these, but my favorite by and large is Nomura's artwork for Cloud getting into Smash 4 because of the clear trolling choices he made with Mr. Game & Watch, Donkey Kong and Kirby all completely failing at adhering to Nomura's unique art style he uses for faces.  It's all there just background fluff for the real star; him drawing TP Link. (https://www.smashbros.com/wiiu-3ds/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg)

I mean, same basic principle is going on here, Inkling Girl isn't exactly divulging from the Splatoon design or anything.

I won't lie, some incredibly small but still there part of the appeal to Sora getting into Smash is the eventuality of seeing the signature KH artwork with the marble eyes (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/fd/94/4cfd94938d75257f6a4afd8ac9d297be.png) being used in crossover art, and knowing they'll pick freaking, like, Villager.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on February 19, 2021, 06:27:06 am
Yo, the next character of the pass is shaping up nicely already, ngl;

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on February 19, 2021, 06:28:18 am
Pheeew haven't posted in a minute but I have to say I didn't think I'd keep winning with these dlc picks. First I got Terry (my main) Min Min (my secondary in Smash and Arms) and now I finally get the 2 xenoblade reps I wanted the most since Ultimates announcement? I mean l was already satisfied with Terry's dlc alone and didn't care who they'd pick next but if Sakurai keeps ticking off my wishlist I sure won't mind!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 19, 2021, 06:32:07 am
Pheeew haven't posted in a minute but I have to say I didn't think I'd keep winning with these dlc picks. First I got Terry (my main) Min Min (my secondary in Smash and Arms) and now I finally get the 2 xenoblade reps I wanted the most since Ultimates announcement? I mean l was already satisfied with Terry's dlc alone and didn't care who they'd pick next but if Sakurai keeps ticking off my wishlist I sure won't mind!

Lucky lol I wish my wish list would stop getting royally stomped on

Glad you're happy tho!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on February 19, 2021, 07:09:05 am
Lucky lol I wish my wish list would stop getting royally stomped on


I find the key is to never ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

Good ol' reverse psychology, he always falls for it.  ;D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on February 19, 2021, 07:14:56 am
I find the key is to never ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

Good ol' reverse psychology, he always falls for it.  ;D

I tried that once

He gave me Banjo

I went back to asking lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on February 24, 2021, 11:43:03 pm
Sakurai Presents Pyra/Mythra scheduled for next Thursday, 3/4. (https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1364575818702331904)

Also, a new Spirit Board event (https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/02/bravely_default_ii_spirits_are_being_added_to_super_smash_bros_ultimate) featuring Bravely Default II.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on February 25, 2021, 09:07:44 am
Nice can't wait to get those Bravely Default Spirits

Yo, the next character of the pass is shaping up nicely already, ngl;

[youtube]https://youtu.be/jKqV9wCzZKA[/youtube]
That is a big
(https://i.gifer.com/aes.gif)
for me.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 04, 2021, 03:44:46 pm
Next Mii Outfits revealed to be 3 sets from Monster Hunter and Arthur from Ghosts'N Goblins.

The latter is interesting as Arthur's name was on that list that showed characters Nintendo approved to add in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on March 04, 2021, 03:51:13 pm
Next Mii Outfits revealed to be 3 sets from Monster Hunter and Arthur from Ghosts'N Goblins.

The latter is interesting as Arthur's name was on that list that showed characters Nintendo approved to add in Smash.

mii outfit dlc: the capcom edition for the quarter final round
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 04, 2021, 04:29:46 pm
Missed out the chance for a Chun-Li outfit to promote the rererelease of Super Turbo on the Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 04, 2021, 04:32:21 pm
We're getting a lot of Mii costumes from Capcom.
Anyway I can't wait to play her for tommorow!
And Gold Pyra/Silver (or Platinum?) Mythra are gonna be my new mains!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Koop on March 04, 2021, 04:38:10 pm
Missed out the chance for a Chun-Li outfit to promote the rererelease of Super Turbo on the Switch.

You mean promoting Fortnite right? :)



They look good. I'm looking forward to playing them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on March 05, 2021, 04:07:01 am
Pyra is so much fun, I recommend it guys 100%  :nuttrox: switching body into  mythra is so much fun because you get new techniques  I love her.! :coollove:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on March 05, 2021, 04:23:43 am
Oh right, she came out today lol



The Arthur Mii costume is nice. Pretty timely -- same with the Monster Hunter set(s) returning. Though it feels a bit disconnected. Perhaps I'm just used to the previous Mii Costume reveals relating to the fighter, like the Minecraft and Final Fantasy skins for Steve and Sephiroth respectively.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 05, 2021, 04:43:56 am
So I wouldn't be able to try her out anyways for a while, but seems to me her Zelda/Sheik intention just made her a Cloud/faster Cloud character.  Dunno why that amuses me so, but it does.

I mean....guess good for me as I main Cloud and Samus if I ever wanted to try the character out, but I have zero connection with the character so pass.  At the very least until I someday maybe play her game when its on sale or something and potentially regret my 90 hour JRPG purchase?  Sakurai's comment on how overly detailed the character's mech outfit was in comparison to the rest of the roster made me chuckle at least, they are very out of place on the roster regardless of "worthiness" or whatnot.  They're just incredibly modern anime fanservice-y looking shmoes thrown in next to Yoshi and Pikachu.  Even the other anime swordsmen are less "anime" trope looking.

Monster Hunter mii returning kills off another persistent rumor.  At this point, what mii costumes from Smash 4 haven't come back yet?  I never bothered with them much in either game so I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on March 05, 2021, 04:52:33 am
Ngl I honestly forgot the Monster Hunter mii costume even existed, but it does allow me to understand where the rumors arose from.

I think the only noteworthy one that has yet to come back is Lloyd's from Tales.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on March 05, 2021, 05:04:45 am
So I wouldn't be able to try her out anyways for a while, but seems to me her Zelda/Sheik intention just made her a Cloud/faster Cloud character.  Dunno why that amuses me so, but it does.

I mean....guess good for me as I main Cloud and Samus if I ever wanted to try the character out, but I have zero connection with the character so pass.

it doesnt matter if you never played xenoblade to have fun with Pyra/mythra because their gameplay is so much fun so can say she's like Cloud but more flexible in their moves and switch body to mythra you get the Sephiroth move.xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on March 05, 2021, 05:19:37 am
it doesnt matter if you never played xenoblade to have fun with Pyra/mythra because their gameplay is so much fun so can say she's like Cloud but more flexible in their moves and switch body to mythra you get the Sephiroth move.xD

While it's true that you can have fun with characters that you don't have an inherent connection with, it's hard to PICK them cause you don't have a connection with them. I mean I don't play Xenoblade games so I have no desire to pick up and play with Pyra. I don't really know about her that well and I don't really have an interest in her because of it.

At least that's my reasons -- Smash is full of so many characters that nowadays we all gravitate towards the characters we resonate with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 05, 2021, 05:21:07 am
I don't really care if others play whatever character stands out to them, have at it.  Personally, in a game about crossovers, I prefer to play as the characters I know and like.  That's all there is to it.

I also prefer to know a character first-hand as intended rather than have misconceptions seeded by artistic changes and/or censorship, which Smash is oh-so chock full of.  Don't get me wrong, Samus isn't accurate at all, she doesn't even conform to the other series getting new mainstream looks like Mario and Link and she's still stuck as Other M Samus, but I already know Metroid fairly in and out and the Smash 64 concessions to get characters in so it's not such a bother.  Also that's just Nintendo's stance on Metroid as a whole, which will never not baffle me, but that's a topic for another thread at another time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 05, 2021, 05:38:28 am
MONOLITHSOFT did a quick promo for Pyra/Mythra for their release. (https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1367649034186366978?s=20) 
Why Terry or Sephiroth do not get this treatment I will never understand.

Also if you have P5 Strikers and GnG Resurrection, you'll get exclusive Spirits.

https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-again-talks-sword-fighters-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate-says-its-not-up-to-him-whether-they-get-in/

Quote
Sakurai: And in contrast, sword fighters are easy [to implement].

Nakamura: What do you mean?

Sakurai: Compare that with Steve.

No wonder Seph and the twins arrived early.  Also how he riffs on the amount of sword welders are is funny.  Even funnier is the amount of sword users sharing the same D-tilt.

Missed out the chance for a Chun-Li outfit to promote the rererelease of Super Turbo on the Switch.

You mean promoting Fortnite right? :)
:vanish:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on March 06, 2021, 02:43:30 pm
Couldn't get logged back in for like three weeks, what'd I miss?

New character? Again, disappointed, but at least this disappointment has a nice rack (or two).  :mlol: I was not expecting them of all people to be revealed. As per my usual custom, I'm not gonna try her until I see my little bro so we can experience it together, so maybe I'll wind up liking her a little. Kinda nice to see a 2-in-1 character again, takes me back to the good ol' days.

Not gonna lie, I was saddened seeing the Arthur Mii costume. I normally don't care about the Mii costumes "de-confirming" characters, but I was literally talking to my brother about how dope it'd be if Arthur got added (fresh off of GnG Resurrection coming out).

And those patch notes... good lord, those patch notes.

Quote
Wario
[Nerf] Up tilt's hitbox has a shorter duration (frames 11-19 → 11-15).
Wario Waft:
[Nerf] Has more startup for the third charge (frame 5 → 8).
[Nerf] Has more startup for max charge (frame 9 → 12).
[Buff] The super armor starts a frame earlier and lasts longer (5-10 → 4-13).

Look how they massacred my boy.  :mcry:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on March 06, 2021, 03:00:00 pm
This character is alright. Not great and not terrible. It's not the same energy hype as to say the reveal trailer of Cloud, Ridley or King K. Rool (That one was the best).

But I hope that the last two will be a big hype moment. Unfortunately, E3 and Comic Con are cancelled again. So, what to reveal them on a unexpected day? We have to wait and find out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 06, 2021, 04:33:17 pm
I’m guessing Chun-Li/Crash and a Pokémon. Would rather not have the Pokémon but chances of another Pokémon are pretty high.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on March 06, 2021, 05:33:07 pm
I’m guessing Chun-Li/Crash and a Pokémon. Would rather not have the Pokémon but chances of another Pokémon are pretty high.

yeah considering that pokemon turned 25 this year, I'm having high hopes for inteleon, but cinderace sound good as well, we never have a single rabbit in for smash, or rillaboom sounds good considering it's another pokemon based on the strongest type of monkey a gorilla
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 06, 2021, 09:12:31 pm
What do you mean there is no rabbits in Smash? There's the Rabbit Hood item which is even better. Cinderance would be horrid because of the Lucario ship fanart by the droves too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on March 06, 2021, 10:39:40 pm
It's safe to assume there won't be a Pokémon for DLC as the only thing Smash is doing for their anniversary is a timed tourney for now.

Twins are ok.  Mythra I can see performing way better in competitive than Pyra, but both are proned to being gimped.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 06, 2021, 11:08:59 pm
While I would be frankly annoyed with a gen 8 pokemon showing up, now that we've moved past that and the Next Big Thing to promote is returning to gen 4, I would genuinely be very excited and quite grateful if we got Cynthia and Garchomp, an actual great Pokemon character with history and one of the most popular actual pokemon monsters as well to boot.

Not that I'm going to give myself false hope, but now is legit the best opportunity for such an inclusion, and I would imagine would be a fairly welcome one.  The Pokemon roster generally doesn't fall into the swordfighter trope of being too similar no matter what they do, a Garchomp to play as simply wouldn't play like Charizard, Mewtwo, Lucario, or any of the rest in there.  Also that brings another boss-type character to the roster, if not a "villain" per say.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 07, 2021, 12:30:21 am
^ I don't know about a new Pokemon to promote the new remakes.  For all intents and purposes Lucario is the Gen 4 pick and he's already in.

Twins are ok.  Mythra I can see performing way better in competitive than Pyra, but both are proned to being gimped.

IMO, they feel more like they're designed to be played in tandem from the get-go.  It's not like Melee where you're either playing as Zelda or playing as Sheik; to get the most out of them you should be playing both.  Fight with Mythra, kill with Pyra.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on March 07, 2021, 01:05:09 am
Oh, no, I'm not expecting it whatsoever.  That'd be too good to hope for.

I'm just saying it's the best outcome we could get if the remaining Smash DLC includes a Pokemon rep.

Also I don't particularly think they care much about number of reps per generation, as much as it would soothe our need to neatly categorize the roster like by needing one of each starter typing and such.  We have how many Kanto folks in here now?  Jigglypuff is legit there just for original anime season representation and Ultimate's rule of returning everyone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 07, 2021, 01:40:01 am
I'm surprised they didn't bring a new Pokemon already. I mean, yeah, SwSh got a lot of backlash, but its not like people don't like many Pokemon from season 8. Since we have a solo water starter (Greninja) and a solo fire starter (Incineroar), we could have a solo grass starter in Rillaboom.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 07, 2021, 01:42:47 am
I honestly don't see any new Pokemon rep taking either final slot.  The DLCs so far can be more or less categorized into highly popular and iconic 3rd party guests (Steve, Terry, Banjo & Kazooie) or promotions for the biggest and most recent 1st party games Nintendo wants to promote (Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra).  The Sinnoh remakes might be big for Pokemon, but they're not necessarily a priority for Nintendo.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong.  Who knows?  I don't have a horse in this race anymore anyway.  My hopes and dreams already died alongside Travis Touchdown, so I'll just enjoy whatever the rest of the DLC ends up being regardless of who it is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 07, 2021, 01:56:50 am
Travis Touchdown died?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 07, 2021, 02:03:14 am
Sacrificed to appease the Mii gods, sadly. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 07, 2021, 02:06:00 am
Travis and Geno "aren't in Smash and dead" because they are simple Mii costumes.

Sans is in Smash because he's a Mii costume though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2021, 02:30:54 am
Obviously its a joke. But Mii costumes pretty much deconfirm the characters in question. You can say the same for Sans and everyone else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on March 07, 2021, 03:44:37 am
If anything, I bet the final DLC fighter will be a swordfighter because Nintendo has the tendency to order Sakurai to put such in. There was a small talk he had and he reiterated once again that Nintendo is the one who has the say on who gets in Smash, not him. So if they want to put another sword user in, he has no choice but to comply.
Also, tbh, for a Pokemon rep, the best possibilities are either Rillaboom or Toxtricity. Rillaboom seem fitting and looks like a heavy hitting fighter and can use the sticks as weapons to beat the opponents down with while packing some punches and kicks to go along with it. Toxtricity have serious personality and they tend to either strike without warning in Amped's case or look down and goad at the opponent in Low Key's case. Also, utilizing electric sound based attacks (Overdrive) seem like it can fit. Downside is that if either one of them are accepted as a Smash fighter, they'll have low move speed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on March 07, 2021, 03:48:13 am
if rillaboom gets in, i'll do a gorilla moment from disney's tarzan
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on March 07, 2021, 03:50:44 am
If anything, I bet the final DLC fighter will be a swordfighter because Nintendo has the tendency to order Sakurai to put such in. There was a small talk he had and he reiterated once again that Nintendo is the one who has the say on who gets in Smash, not him. So if they want to put another sword user in, he has no choice but to comply.
All things being equal, I don't think that it's Nintendo's intention to include a lot of swordfighters in Smash because they're swordfighters.  It's more likely that Nintendo wants a lot of big recognizable characters in, and it just so happens that a lot of big recognizable characters are known for using swords
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on March 07, 2021, 04:01:40 am
We'll find out. I've yet to try Pyra/Mythra cuz $$$ issues and GameStop being difficult with their eshop cards/codes on receipt. They look pretty fun to play and I've been getting every DLC since the start... although I still don't like Steve...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on March 07, 2021, 04:06:50 am
Steve is as fun as Pyra to play :) and Ive never played Maincraft and Xenovable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 02, 2021, 04:34:52 pm
There's a new spirit board event for Monster Hunter Rise going on now.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExohOA_UcAMb2Sx.jpg)

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1377787871491411970
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on April 05, 2021, 02:35:36 am
Got 'em all. The big one was pretty easy with the 50% item.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on April 05, 2021, 02:38:04 am
i got em all 3 in just less than an hour
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on April 09, 2021, 11:29:06 pm
Question, do Scorpion and Subzero have oportunity to be in smash? did Sakurai say something about that?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on April 09, 2021, 11:33:02 pm
I don't think so
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 10, 2021, 12:04:52 am
Sakurai has never said anything specific about Mortal Kombat to my knowledge, but there's no reasonable reason to expect they have any sort of chance of getting in.  When you combine the fact that MK isn't published or sold in Japanese markets and how they'd have to strip away everything that makes an MK character an MK character for them to fit with the Smash Bros tone and rating, you'd wind up with a heavily watered-down version of a character that Eastern players wouldn't know or give a shit about and Western players would be disappointed in how they were represented.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 10, 2021, 12:28:32 am
I personally believe Shang Tsung would bring an interesting niche in gameplay with his soul copy feature.  In a way, it can be his Neutral B and if you can perfectly hit the opponent with this move, you gain full access to all of their features in a way Ditto does.  Beyond that, hmm.

you'd wind up with a heavily watered-down version of a character that Eastern players wouldn't know or give a shit about and Western players would be disappointed in how they were represented.
The ninjas are the most iconic figures in all of MK so they can get away with being watered down as long as their gameplay is innovative.  Although Scorpion might get hit the hardest due to his overall Hell theme compared to Sub-Zero, which you can get very creative and still maintain his MK features.  They can based Sub-Zero on both the OG Trilogy and Mythology and he can blend in just fine.  He can do the spine rip on the cameraman in his victory pose for all I know.  I mean Ridley eats or mauls a something off camera when he wins.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on April 10, 2021, 12:32:21 am
Eh, stripping down the MK characters isn't that big of an issue since they have already been watered down before with Scorp, Sub and Raiden in Injustice as well as MKvsDC. Everything else still applies
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 10, 2021, 12:42:03 am
That's the thing of it, though.  Without everything that makes Mortal Kombat what it is, I don't feel like MK characters really offer anything that would be particularly innovative or interesting in Smash Bros' style.  At least nothing that Ryu, Ken, and Terry aren't already bringing to the table.  Take away the ultra-violence, the brutalities, the fatalities - retrofit everything in Scorpion's kit to be CERO-friendly and you're left with some pretty generic moves.  Fire breath.  Tether grab.  Teleport kick.  Nothing that someone else isn't already doing.

I mean, if you want an example of how milquetoast a defanged Mortal Kombat experience can be, look no further than Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Miru962 on April 10, 2021, 12:56:51 am
Given what happened with Mai (and Poison, Laura, etc), there are some characters who Sakurai wouldn't even try to "defang" to begin with. I imagine Western AAA characters, such as the MK cast; falling into that category. Even then, NRS might force them not to be defanged, making them harder to work with. MK elements could be transferred into Smash mechanically with enough work; dial-a-kombos haven't been done in the series to my knowledge, and I could see something like an unlimited block being used.  Even the Fatality mechanic, or for that matter X-Rays and whatnot, could use a meter, or just go for any victim of stun. But again, Sakurai might not even want to try with them; the series has become that brutal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 10, 2021, 04:02:40 am
I've been gung ho on getting Scorpion or Sub-Zero in Smash for a long time, so this topic of conversation is in my wheelhouse.

Anyhow.. Person Man is right: Take away the violence and you really don't have much with the MK characters... except either one would be seen as something cool after so many people complaining about swordsmen and women.

And yes, MK vs. DC was basically an example of what happens when you take away the violence from a Mortal Kombat game.. but it could be used as a blueprint as to how to get these characters into Smash. You also have their appearances in Injustice to help round out the characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on April 10, 2021, 04:54:32 am
People love to throw out "fatalities make the series impossible to do in Smash".

Ridley and Simon trailer happened.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 10, 2021, 06:05:05 am
Take away the violence and you really don't have much with the MK characters...
There's a couple of ways to implement MK characters while respecting the lore they originate in and without needing to put their infamous violence and can pretend stuff after MK4 don't exist.

The Aggressor feature from MK3 can build up faster when you go on the offense and slowly when on the receiving end.  Brutality can happen once you start a dial a combo on the ground and if your opponent is at let's say 150%, by adding secret inputs,  it can lead to an automatic KO.  Down Special pulls out weapons based on the 3D era and can do unique combos from it but if the opponent gets it, it's a simple battering item.  The run gauge can greatly increase speed while giving them the ability to cancel combos or do unique juggles at low percentage.  Dan Forden manifests out of nowhere when you get a stock in Free For All and if you do a unique input, you get a Final Smash but it would be weakened.

I was gonna add in the Xray meter thing but not only it would be complicated but it's from an entry that is banned in Japan.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 10, 2021, 06:46:12 am
Saying that you can't put MK characters without putting violence its like saying you can't put Bayonetta without her getting naked all the time. The violence of MK is extremely easy to censor, because the characters don't need to do fatalities in Smash, nor do they need any blood or gore to be present, yeah, Scorpion's spear is a gory move in MK, but take that away and its as violent as all the slashes and thrusts from all the other blades in Smash. Besides, acting as if MK's gore is the one thing the franchise lives by is just a bad take, its true that its iconic for the series and it is actually quite overused, but if MK swapped all its gore for hitsparks in the next game, it would still sell well, simply because its MK.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on April 10, 2021, 11:21:48 am
Pretty sure MK sells because of the gore, with newer entries ramping up the gore and deliberately putting an emphasis on it as part of the gameplay loop, to the detriment of the dev team. Lord knows it's not because it's a competent fighting game :}

If there's one thing that's iconic to the MK series past the gore itself, it's the finishers, specifically Fatalities. It's what turned a fighting game with blood sparks into a controversial behemoth that played a pivotal role in the creation of the rating system, and the backlash was mocked by devs with the inclusion of Babalities and Friendships. To not have Fatalities is to not represent what made Mortal Kombat popular.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on April 10, 2021, 11:57:36 am
I mean, it also cemented the ease of copypasting clones for a roster.  Like, half its roster came out of that one dude recorded in his Halloween ninja costume then digitally recolored.

An all-in-one MK Ninja akin to Bowser Jr. covering all the Koopa Kids with just more crunchy sound effects to their hits to vaguely convey their more brutal fights like Ryu and Ken do their SFII sound effects could be done and get the general game vibes across without, you know, vivisecting Mario and co. in Smash.  The fact that the Street Fighter representation in-game already just focuses on SFII implies to me if MK made the cut, they'd just focus on one old title anyways.  UMK3, I'd assume.

Fatalities can still be used, just as the non-lethal inspiration for their Final Smash.  Or hell, a number of Final Smashes in-game already do kill the opponent outright if at a high enough percentage instead of flinging them off the stage, just don't have theirs pull the guy's spine out or choke them out with their own small intestine or whatever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 10, 2021, 01:53:56 pm
Yes, yes, it is technically possible for a moveset to be created for an MK character in Smash.  That was never my point.  My point was that if they took the time and effort to strip away everything they had to to make the character CERO compliant, they'd also be removing anything that would make them unique from other characters already in Smash.  As I said the last time this discussion came up, it's be an immense amount of hoops they'd have to force themselves to jump through only to wind up with a heavily diluted version of a character that Japanese fans mostly wouldn't even recognize and Western fans would find generic and uninspired to play as.

On another note, a Bowser's Fury spirit board event is happening now.  Get your kitties and kaijus before they're gone.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyQm_m1VgAMVeil.jpg)
https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1379599811448598528
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 10, 2021, 05:21:00 pm
Fury Bowser Spirit brings back Melee Giga Bowser vibes based on how he's set up.  That's very cool to see.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on April 10, 2021, 05:55:56 pm
People love to throw out "fatalities make the series impossible to do in Smash".

Ridley and Simon trailer happened.

Except those were cinematics deliberately intended to fake out the audience?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on April 10, 2021, 06:29:25 pm
while I'm not the biggest supporter for an MK rep in Smash, after playing PM Remix and seeing how they handled Sub-Zero, I think it could work really well. He's actually decently fun here
 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 10, 2021, 06:32:32 pm
People love to throw out "fatalities make the series impossible to do in Smash".

Ridley and Simon trailer happened.

Except those were cinematics deliberately intended to fake out the audience?
It's promotional material, though, which people will look at before playing the game and also works as advertisement. If it was a problem, those trailers would never be like that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on April 10, 2021, 07:55:58 pm
I know "they aren't really a Fatality level problem", but proof that MK can work in Smash even if fake animations.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on April 10, 2021, 09:28:28 pm
Luigi's soul was ripped from his body, with no actual gore shown. It's not in any capacity the same as what people expect from a Fatality, as proven by the fan reaction to the family-friendly MKvsDC versions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 10, 2021, 10:20:38 pm
I know "they aren't really a Fatality level problem", but proof that MK can work in Smash even if fake animations.
it's be an immense amount of hoops they'd have to force themselves to jump through only to wind up with a heavily diluted version of a character that Japanese fans mostly wouldn't even recognize and Western fans would find generic and uninspired to play as.
This is what I got from looking at this mod.  This Sub-Zero mod doesn't look like I'm playing a literal MK character.  If you want a good example of a FG character that looks and feels like the source, see Blazblue's V-13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjZH4H9kB2E).

Also I just realized they would have to negotiate with WB Games to even get the rights for MK and I can't imagine the nightmare that comes with it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 10, 2021, 10:55:51 pm
Luigi's soul was ripped from his body, with no actual gore shown. It's not in any capacity the same as what people expect from a Fatality, as proven by the fan reaction to the family-friendly MKvsDC versions.
Yet MKvsDC was one of Midway's most successful titles.

MKvsDC Wikipedia page said:
In their 10-K filing, Midway Games revealed the title had sold over 1.9 million units, making it one of the company's most successful titles since 2002.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on April 10, 2021, 11:05:44 pm
Luigi's soul was ripped from his body, with no actual gore shown. It's not in any capacity the same as what people expect from a Fatality, as proven by the fan reaction to the family-friendly MKvsDC versions.
Yet MKvsDC was one of Midway's most successful titles.

MKvsDC Wikipedia page said:
In their 10-K filing, Midway Games revealed the title had sold over 1.9 million units, making it one of the company's most successful titles since 2002.

That doesn't mean people like it. Sure people may have liked it at the time, or people bought it expecting more than what it actually was, but overtime you'd be hardpressed to find someone who enjoys that game.

Watered-down Mortal Kombat is not something that will make a lot of people happy. Smash would have to get very creative with representing the gore without... actually having the gore, to give a character like Scorpion or Sub-Zero the proper "atmosphere" of a Mortal Kombat character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on April 10, 2021, 11:06:21 pm
Come on man, we all know popularity/monetary success does not equate to greatness.  Just proper marketability.  The game was pushing D.C. Comics with their big hitters meeting the Mortal Kombat cast, of course it was going to sell regardless of standards.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on April 10, 2021, 11:20:45 pm
Indeed, the biggest criticism of MKvsDC at the time, and even still to this day, was that it wasn't violent and gory enough. It's not just the biggest critique, it's the only one people mention about that game. Not the shitty story, or the awful character designs and models, or the garbage gameplay. It was that you couldn't rip Batman's spine out with Sub-Zero.

The thing that matters most to Mortal Kombat, the thing that is the core identity of the entire franchise, is the gore. You take that away, and there's not much left.

also LOL at the idea that Luigi turning into a cartoon ghost after getting slashed by Castlevania Death is in any way equivalent to a MK fatality
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 11, 2021, 01:57:04 am
They didn't care about gore when bringing Sub-Zero and Raiden to Injustice 2 (Scorpion in the original Injustice at least would damage their bodies, like everyone in that game), so I doubt they would care about gore in Smash. Gore in MK is merely a visual thing, it's not required for gameplay, you guys severely overestimate it's value.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on April 11, 2021, 02:16:56 am
Injustice is made by the same developer as Mortal Kombat.  How is that in any way relevant?  It doesn't matter what Netherrealm thinks about using MK characters, they're not the ones calling the shots.  This is a Nintendo game we're talking about.  A different company in a different country with a different core market and demographic with a different ratings board to answer to.

And that still doesn't address the fact that an MK character, stripped of literally everything that makes an MK character interesting and iconic and reduced to a barebones set of pure functions, would be boring as fuck and please nobody.  Non-MK fans would wonder who this generic ninja with a generic set of ninja moves is and why he's there, and MK fans would be pissed that Scorpion had to have a babality performed on him just to get in the front door.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on April 11, 2021, 03:23:00 am
new spirit event happening right now for a limited time:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/super-smash-bros-ultimate-adds-bowsers-fury-spirits-this-week/1100-6489862/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on April 11, 2021, 04:10:44 am
Solution.  Add Goro as an unplayable boss in the next installment and have him rep not just MK but all of Warner Media.  Base him on MK1 because over there he has not done any gory actions and looks comical or cuddly enough with his flex taunt. 

Problem solved.  Doc Mario buffs plz.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on April 11, 2021, 04:20:49 am
Ooh a cuddly underwear 4 armed male dragon guy will sell well like that one fighting game. He'll pair well with the Pokemon they add every game.

Please buff Dr. Mario he is always the better Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 14, 2021, 06:59:52 pm
Well, since the direct is around the horizon, I wanna bring this little nugget back for your consideration.

Spoiler: The list in question (click to see content)

This list allegedly shows what Nintendo has personally selected for Sakurai to use since May 2019.  Made quick edits to check off what's confirmed as characters and Mii Costumes but not those who are currently in the game as Spirits as they could be getting a playable upgrade.  If something as random as Arthur was considered and made it in even as a Mii Costume, then this list is close to being the real deal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on June 14, 2021, 08:10:24 pm
Chun-Li with her powefull kicks would be pretty cool in smash and also she was the first female character in a fighting game :) that sakurai can celebrate.xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 14, 2021, 09:12:24 pm
I'm still sure that it's going to be Chun-li/Crash and a Pokemon, but if I'm wrong then I'm ready to look like an idiot
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 14, 2021, 09:15:52 pm
It's safe to assume Crash is a lock at this point.  Even if he isn't in the Pack, the moment the Fighter Ballot goes up, he is gonna eat the votes by a landslide.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 14, 2021, 11:23:54 pm
I'm still hopeful if Crash comes, Spyro follows.  A Crash crossover minus Spyro still feels wrong.  From that list there's a handful I'd personally prefer over them, but they are still probably the most fitting for Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2021, 12:02:44 am
Hanging my hopes on Porky and Prof. Layton.  They're on the seemingly prophetic list, but are unlikely enough to actually make it that I won't be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Hard pass on Chun-Li.  Iconic as Chunners is, Capcom already has a huge amount of representation and Street Fighter doesn't need a third rep when there's the entirety of gaming history to choose from.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 15, 2021, 09:48:46 am
The lack of anything Ace Attorney despite its history with Nintendo systems is quite perplexing. Not even a group of spirits, though that might change if they do a promotional event for the upcoming GAA.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on June 15, 2021, 03:28:04 pm
Never thought I'd see this, but Vergeben is sorta back, and with some Smash tease (https://www.reddit.com/user/DasVergeben/comments/o0bery/cortana_tell_me_whos_coming_to_smash/).
Spoiler: spoiler for folks who don't wanna click (click to see content)
Now, I'm not sure what to think about it. Vergeben hasn't posted leaks in over a solid year, so nobody knows if he stayed in contact with whatever source that told him all the Smash info. On the other hand, his last leak before was rather accurate, as he pretty much leaked the mii costumes from Byleth's presentation mid-Direct. It'd be a pretty ballsy thing for him to do that again. Still, I'm putting this as small food for thought before the direct comes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 15, 2021, 06:03:47 pm
 :nicepost:

6/28 Smash Direct
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 15, 2021, 06:05:52 pm
Well, its Kazuya. Not a bad choice, really. I really hope MK is represented eventually.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 15, 2021, 06:08:28 pm
Ya know I just figured it out.

What if they real reason why they can't get Heihachi to work is that he, in his old age, can't jump so high?  At least in PSASBR, Prime Heihachi is nimble.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on June 15, 2021, 06:23:38 pm
I always thought Kazuya would be more likely to get in first than Heihachi; he's the younger and handsome one first true protagonist after all, and the Devil Gene powers can maybe allow for some more creativity in regards to air mobility.

Spoiler: Also... (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 15, 2021, 06:24:30 pm
Also this pretty much confirms Lloyd is returning as a Mii Costume.

Oof.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on June 15, 2021, 06:44:28 pm
I'm rather happy about Kazuya. It's not Heihachi, but I'll take it over no Tekken content (bar Heihachi mii) at all. And it's funny to think about how everyone was expecting Heihachi or Jin, yet they slept on the original Tekken protagonist all along.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 15, 2021, 06:50:26 pm
I always thought Kazuya would be more likely to get in first than Heihachi; he's the younger and handsome one
Are you telling me that it wouldn't work if they revealed all this manservice?

(https://i.imgur.com/RL89V.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 15, 2021, 06:55:43 pm
This came out of nowhere.. literally.

It looks like the temple from Tekken 7 (or maybe it's Hon-Maru from Tekken 4) is going to be his stage and there was a remix of his Tekken 2 theme.

The 28th can't come quick enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on June 15, 2021, 07:01:58 pm
This may not be really important, but can we appreciate for a moment the fact that we can now have a four player match with nothing but fighting game characters? It's just so satisfying.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/kazuya/ss_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 15, 2021, 07:07:58 pm
Tekken series has a plethora of tracks, I'll be surprised it doesn't exceed SNK's 50.

Tho, they will probably squeeze in Soul Calibur music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on June 15, 2021, 07:10:14 pm
YESH!!! My own inspiration of a fighter... Good call!  :muttrox:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on June 15, 2021, 07:19:34 pm
This may not be really important, but can we appreciate for a moment the fact that we can now have a four player match with nothing but fighting game characters? It's just so satisfying.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/kazuya/ss_4.jpg)

so much better than I was expecting
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 15, 2021, 07:44:27 pm
Terry is still the daddy though
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 15, 2021, 07:45:14 pm
my tekken 7 main is in it!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 15, 2021, 08:49:43 pm
Terry is still the daddy though
Terry is too much of a himbo to be a daddy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on June 15, 2021, 08:53:58 pm
Smash Fans are shaking at the amount of Tekken inputs shown.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 15, 2021, 09:16:17 pm
Can't wait to see Knee take a Smash tourney with his EWGF magic.

This may not be really important, but can we appreciate for a moment the fact that we can now have a four player match with nothing but fighting game characters? It's just so satisfying.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/kazuya/ss_4.jpg)
If this doesn't accelerate Netmarble to finally add the mythical Street Fighter collab to KOF All Stars, I dunno what will.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on June 15, 2021, 09:27:36 pm
Can't say I'm mad about this one, holy shit. This whole direct was excellent but what a great pick for the roster. Here's hoping the final character doesn't suck!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 15, 2021, 09:30:15 pm
Never thought I'd see this, but Vergeben is sorta back, and with some Smash tease (https://www.reddit.com/user/DasVergeben/comments/o0bery/cortana_tell_me_whos_coming_to_smash/).
Spoiler: spoiler for folks who don't wanna click (click to see content)
Now, I'm not sure what to think about it. Vergeben hasn't posted leaks in over a solid year, so nobody knows if he stayed in contact with whatever source that told him all the Smash info. On the other hand, his last leak before was rather accurate, as he pretty much leaked the mii costumes from Byleth's presentation mid-Direct. It'd be a pretty ballsy thing for him to do that again. Still, I'm putting this as small food for thought before the direct comes.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ske7ch/status/1404831410041409538?s=19

The developer is intrigued by that idea tho it isn't happening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 15, 2021, 10:23:03 pm
Terry is still the daddy though
Terry is too much of a himbo to be a daddy.

Well he did raise Rock, who turned out a whole of a lot better than Jin lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 15, 2021, 10:59:45 pm
Wow. Letdown doesn't even begin to describe how lame that reveal was. Oh, well, I still got patch notes to look forward to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2021, 11:21:02 pm
I can’t believe that Smash Ultimate is now not just the closest we’re ever going to get to Capcom vs SNK 3, but also the closest we’re ever going to get to Tekken x Street Fighter.  Sakurai is truly too good to us.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 15, 2021, 11:55:31 pm
Never thought I'd see this, but Vergeben is sorta back, and with some Smash tease (https://www.reddit.com/user/DasVergeben/comments/o0bery/cortana_tell_me_whos_coming_to_smash/).
Spoiler: spoiler for folks who don't wanna click (click to see content)
Now, I'm not sure what to think about it. Vergeben hasn't posted leaks in over a solid year, so nobody knows if he stayed in contact with whatever source that told him all the Smash info. On the other hand, his last leak before was rather accurate, as he pretty much leaked the mii costumes from Byleth's presentation mid-Direct. It'd be a pretty ballsy thing for him to do that again. Still, I'm putting this as small food for thought before the direct comes.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ske7ch/status/1404831410041409538?s=19

The developer is intrigued by that idea tho it isn't happening.

The "smash leaks" have been getting way out of hand. Every single one I've seen has been dead wrong that it's obvious that these "leakers" are just throwing out guesses to hopefully get their five minutes of internet fame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 16, 2021, 12:01:33 am
It's cool to see Sakurai is willing to compromise with the Dragon Ball fanbase that will die on the hill of Goku getting in, and he gave us Vegeta instead.  Because if Toriyama won't give him his moment to shine with the rug always pulled out from under him, I guess Sakurai has to step up to it.

Ok, joking aside, fine enough choice, doesn't do much for me.  I've played Tekken but never much.....cared for it?  Which is a little unfair because I love Soul Calibur for similar reasons  that I don't really get into Tekken, but it just never clicked beyond Tekken 2 ages ago.  So yeah, Kazuya is cool, recognizable, has history.  Just rather meh to me.  On the other hand, this one I could probably actually play and don't dislike Kazuya the character himself per say, so hey.  Better than Byleth or Pyra/Mythra.

I'm assuming he will be ground Bayonetta with air game similar to Little Mac but better because wings.  Because Tekken is not typically known for the juggler to actually be airborne for much of their combos so much as the target is, the guys are still very much Earth bound.  I'm not counting little bunny hops as equal to your jumping forward + heavy kick stuff of SF.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 16, 2021, 12:21:57 am
Celebratory art from Tekken Project. (https://mobile.twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1404842418990575621)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E37-lHJVIAILewj?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I love how everyone's all shocked at how much of a bastard Kazuya is, and Bowser's in the back just looking genuinely impressed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nexus Games on June 16, 2021, 12:40:01 am
bowser in that art is like "do it....DO IT!"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 16, 2021, 12:48:01 am
Pikachu looks so tramatized for life.

Quote
Because Tekken is not typically known for the juggler to actually be airborne for much of their combos so much as the target is, the guys are still very much Earth bound.
It's basically PSASBR Heihachi but with actual effort put into it and not manifesting bowling pins to make up for his poor keepaway tools.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on June 16, 2021, 01:24:53 am
 :nuttrox:  :nuttrox: :muttrox: :muttrox: :nuttrox: :muttrox:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mushypepito123 on June 16, 2021, 03:58:56 am
FUCK YEAH, KAZUYA'S HERE FOLKS!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 16, 2021, 06:33:06 am
Sweet! Tekken in my Smash? It is about time!

Also, I finally realized the context of this gif we had in MFG:

 :nicepost:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mushypepito123 on June 16, 2021, 06:35:39 am
 :nicepost:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 16, 2021, 07:08:25 am
It took long enough for the most iconic 3D fighter to get in a so called fighter party brawler crossover thing. Not bad at all.

This official celebratory art is very meh though, but Min trying to save Ryu is the sole good part. I don't think Steve, Banjo, or Joker even got any at all, so eh. Very, very tired of seeing this nonsensical "smash characters on cliff" art though, hope they never use it again after this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 16, 2021, 11:49:07 am
Spoiler: The list in question (click to see content)
...so this leaked list probably turned out to be fake. No Kazuya to be seen on that list, yet here we are, with a playable Kazuya.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 16, 2021, 01:20:42 pm
Wouldn't dismiss it.  Much like Pyra/Mythra and Rex, Kazuya is still in the same catagory as Heihachi.  That list isn't about what is coming to the roster but what is chosen for consideration and it can stretch up to the pick's own series.

Only Nintendo is crazy enough to recommend Captain Toad and Hyrule Warrior OGs.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SkySplitters on June 17, 2021, 02:26:01 am
This is freaking epic! I'm ok with it not being Heihachi, but I am so god damn happy it's not Jin. Kazuya is the ideal choice for sure. Tekken is my favourite fighting game franchise of all time, so I'm super happy with this. The music will be legendary.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2021, 02:38:36 am
I kinda hope the Mishima house collapses as you fight in it like the Fire Emblem stage that slowly progresses downwards whose name I'm forgetting off the top of my head.  Would be a neat callback to the Tekken film with the fight between Jin, Kazuya and Heihachi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 17, 2021, 02:42:21 am
Would've loved to see Kazuya murder Byleth instead of Marth
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 17, 2021, 03:24:33 am
^
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on June 17, 2021, 10:35:54 am
(https://i.imgur.com/6Ow15Ub.jpg)
Swordfighters are so overrated...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: lui on June 17, 2021, 12:23:14 pm
can all three of you shut the hell up and enjoy videogames like normal people please.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: QuickFist on June 17, 2021, 04:24:20 pm
can all three of you shut the hell up and enjoy videogames like normal people please.

preach Lui
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 17, 2021, 05:30:09 pm
ok sorry
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on June 17, 2021, 06:33:45 pm
From the looks of it, the stage chosen seems to be the Hall of Judgement from Tekken Tag Tournament 2, albeit with some missing props like curtains, and in the night time - which honestly takes away a bit of it's original charm, in my opinion.

I kinda hope the Mishima house collapses as you fight in it like the Fire Emblem stage that slowly progresses downwards whose name I'm forgetting off the top of my head.  Would be a neat callback to the Tekken film with the fight between Jin, Kazuya and Heihachi.
That would be a great way to represent the stage transition mechanic from the later Tekken games, too! :)

(see around 2:00)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 17, 2021, 06:53:54 pm
can all three of you shut the hell up and enjoy videogames like normal people please.

A throwaway post about Byleth is this concerning to you?

Anywho, I wonder how exactly we will be able to pull off shit like the 10-hit combo in the landscape of Smash Bros game mechanics. Seemed like it OHKO'd Capt. Falcon during the trailer, but I could be wrong. It continues to amaze me how complex actual fighting game characters can get when you put them in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on June 17, 2021, 07:05:00 pm
can all three of you shut the hell up and enjoy videogames like normal people please.

Damn, exactly!

And well i'm okay with Kazuya, i've thought will be Heihachi but it's great that finally Tekken is in Smash. :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 17, 2021, 10:32:58 pm
So there has been speculation about who the last DLC character could be, and there is a theory going on that Atlus and SNK are the only 3rd party brands that don't have two reps as playable characters.  SNK is excluded as they already placed their other brands as Mii Costumes and Songs, making Atlus the last brand that is missing a second rep.

Meaning only one character(s) fits the bill for the last slot as it comes from a M-rated series (for those that know of that one M-rated Theory), lines up with Nintendo's alleged leaked list, has a game in the works whose inclusion can serve to promote it, comes from a long running series in Japan, and the nature of this character's series can have it show up in a trailer involving Dharkon to save the day.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Yea, Crash and Doom Slayer fans better hope for the Fighter Ballot now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 17, 2021, 11:36:56 pm
Honestly, there hasn't been a single DLC character yet that hasn't blown every single prevalent theory at the time completely out of the water.  Even Byleth was completely unexpected with how entirely expected he was.  I'd say hang all the rumors and theories and just wait and see.  It could be anyone.

From the looks of it, the stage chosen seems to be the Hall of Judgement from Tekken Tag Tournament 2, albeit with some missing props like curtains, and in the night time - which honestly takes away a bit of it's original charm, in my opinion.

Isn't it the Mishima Dojo from Tekken 7?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wDwdVHcXrFY/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/kazuya/ss_4.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2021, 12:32:23 am
Can't wait for the unstoppable Shrek announcement in that case.  Play All-Star on every match.

I would not mind a Shin Megami Tensai protag character.  But I'd be more interested in playing the games first. (Are they even on the Switch to get?  I know the third had a recent remastering)  This new fifth entry does look enticing and I'm generally curious about other monster collector games outside Pokemon like Dragon Quest Monsters or more recent Digimon games.  But from what I've seen the protags don't look compatible between one another to share a moveset and swap skins like Dragon Quest can manage.  And I don't know if there's a fan favorite amongst the protags of the series, though this new Code Vein-looking techno-Belmont looks neat.

Frankly the only repeating thing about the series I know are the penis snake that the internet refuses to let you not know is a thing Nintendo lets them get away with, the little snowman mascot, and their rivalry with Persona's fanbase.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2021, 01:31:25 am
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/125/296/3a8)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on June 18, 2021, 02:00:26 am
I unironically believe that Shrek officially joining Smash would revolutionize the gaming industry as a whole.


and there is a theory going on that Atlus and SNK are the only 3rd party brands that don't have two reps as playable characters.

(https://pa1.narvii.com/6999/e9bba7286d17b15e21766f704d67b5e1158c6afbr1-320-222_hq.gif)
 :thinking2:
Excuse me, sir......

...but isn't Atlus owned by SEGA, nowadays?


Isn't it the Mishima Dojo from Tekken 7?

...Welp, it turns out I slept on this one, as I admitely still gotta play Tekken 7 someday. It sure is the same place - which, in that case, I appreciate their accuracy!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 18, 2021, 10:36:01 pm
Honestly, there hasn't been a single DLC character yet that hasn't blown every single prevalent theory at the time completely out of the water.  Even Byleth was completely unexpected with how entirely expected he was.  I'd say hang all the rumors and theories and just wait and see.  It could be anyone.

100% this. As I said earlier

The "smash leaks" have been getting way out of hand. Every single one I've seen has been dead wrong that it's obvious that these "leakers" are just throwing out guesses to hopefully get their five minutes of internet fame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on June 18, 2021, 11:57:46 pm
The only "leaker" I actually would trust is the one dude who called not only Incineroar and Ken, but Piranha Plant DLC in the pre-release direct

Either that guy is an actual leaker or he got cosmic levels of lucky

But yeah, I don't trust leaks anymore -- they've reached a level of outlandishness, no matter how possible, are hard to believe
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on June 19, 2021, 09:09:25 am
Only thing I want with the Kazuya DLC is Heat Haze (and maybe Soul Calibur music)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 19, 2021, 09:38:25 am
That would be nice. Might seem random as fuck but I want Sheep Grassland from TK6.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 19, 2021, 09:43:55 am
I share that sentiment.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lunchbillion on June 19, 2021, 01:55:26 pm
Soulcalibur music/anything seems like a lot to ask for but damn it'd make me happy.
That series has such great music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 19, 2021, 03:39:35 pm
Why do I feel like the track list is gonna consist of only themes that took place in temples, volcanoes, and Jin arrangements?

R.I.P Roger theme dreams
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 19, 2021, 09:35:29 pm
I hope that isn't the case, and that this somehow turns into a repeat of the music contained within Terry's fighter pack. Not every song necessarily fit the aesthetic of the KoF tournament arena, and they were still added. Since Sakurai and Harada are buddies I hope their friendship shows through.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Flowrellik on June 19, 2021, 11:44:16 pm
man seeing Kazuya making it into smash kinda gives me some hope to play again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2021, 01:54:25 am
I haven't checked the songs Terry came with.  How disconnected do they get from the Fatal Fury/KoF series and characters within?  The biggest one I recall is Psycho Solider, which still has a traceable line back through Athena and decedents.  And, you know, is important to video game history being the first freaking video game song with lyrics and all, something Sakurai and Smash would relish to include.

Bring it up because Soul Calibur's main connection to Tekken, outside being under the company's general umbrella, is just Yoshimitsu who is sort of a gag character in his shared existence between the two franchises and isn't even the same dude underneath.  If Soul Calibur music was to show, I'd expect it to show with an actual SC character in tow.  Unless there was a SCV recreation of a Tekken track for Devil Jin being in that, forget if there was or not?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 20, 2021, 02:28:34 am
Don't forget things like "Shin Ongishma" on Summit, "Planetary World Form" on Mario Galaxy, or "Ribble Rabble" on Pac-Land. They get random and pointless songs pretty often.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2021, 02:41:37 am
Third-parties work a bit different than first-party inclusions.  Lot less hoops to jump through to get them to add, say, Mach Rider over whatever they needed to do to get the original JENOVA in.  And Bamco worked on the game to begin with and had Pac-Man as a reoccurring character so I'd say he gets a little leeway on what follows suit. (Never did get why they dropped the superior Pac-Man stage from Smash 4 3DS going into Ultimate though)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 20, 2021, 02:43:22 am
I haven't checked the songs Terry came with.  How disconnected do they get from the Fatal Fury/KoF series and characters within?  The biggest one I recall is Psycho Solider, which still has a traceable line back through Athena and decedents.  And, you know, is important to video game history being the first freaking video game song with lyrics and all, something Sakurai and Smash would relish to include.
Terry came with Metal Slug songs, and Metal Slug is arguably even more disconnected from Fatal Fury than Psycho Soldiers is.

...no, having playable Fio in Maximum Impact does NOT count!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 20, 2021, 02:43:46 am
Third-parties work a bit different than first-party inclusions.  Lot less hoops to jump through to get them to add, say, Mach Rider over whatever they needed to do to get the original JENOVA in.  And Bamco worked on the game to begin with and had Pac-Man as a reoccurring character so I'd say he gets a little leeway on what follows suit. (Never did get why they dropped the superior Pac-Man stage from Smash 4 3DS going into Ultimate though)

You mean the one with a gimmick that only worked when everyone had their own screens?
Because I think it's pretty obvious why it got dropped.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2021, 03:02:17 am
Because sure, they couldn't just rework the gimmick in it for the big Smash game for their new flagship console.

It's not that big a deal but it just kinda sucks if you're a diehard Pac-Man fan that you get the Microsoft Paint side-scrolling focused level.  The other one at least felt like the known Pac-Man series as a whole, arcade cabinet and all.

Anyways if Metal Slug songs were in Smash already then my point is moot, never mind then.  Haven't looked over the song list in a good while and haven't played in general since Sephiroth's hype period so guess I forgot.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 20, 2021, 12:10:49 pm
Don't forget things like "Shin Ongishma" on Summit, "Planetary World Form" on Mario Galaxy, or "Ribble Rabble" on Pac-Land. They get random and pointless songs pretty often.

All included in the base version of Sm4sh. Distribution of songs there was whether or not they "worked" or were thematically consistent with the stage, similar to Brawl and technically Melee with "Mach Rider" and "Fire Emblem".

In Ultimate, while you can use any song from that stage's series, the misc. songs can now only be used on misc. stages like Pilotwings and Pictochat, as well as Final Destination and Battlefield as of a few updates ago.

Terry, being an SNK character, was bundled with music from other SNK properties like SamSho and Metal Slug. The question here is whether Kazuya will do the same (even if it's just SoulCalibur), or whether it'll all be strictly Tekken music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 20, 2021, 02:31:27 pm
I wouldn't count on Tekken having as many tracks as SNK.  To hear Sakurai tell it, what happened in that case was that they sent SNK a huge list of potential songs and asked them to pick which ones they wanted Sakurai to use, and SNK just responded "yes."  It's not impossible, but I wouldn't take it for granted that it will happen again just because Kazuya's also a fighting game character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 20, 2021, 10:50:34 pm
I don't think that was ever in question, just more wondering whether or not the tracks will branch out to other Bamco stuffs.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 21, 2021, 12:50:49 am
I doubt it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 21, 2021, 12:57:26 am
I wouldn't mind seeing Soul Calibur music in the playlist. It would be a nice nod to that fan base.

My biggest question is this: How in the world are they going to get all of Kazuya's moves into Smash? Now, I know there was that video showing off what they had.. but it doesn't explain anything for me. Hell, Street Fighter X Tekken didn't have all of his moves and that's a six button game!

Smash only has two attack buttons. Unless they're going to map most of these attack to a different direction, I'm not sure how they're going to do it..
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 21, 2021, 01:24:23 am
I don't think that was ever in question, just more wondering whether or not the tracks will branch out to other Bamco stuffs.
Well. Pac-Man's stage has tracks from retro Namco titles as medleys.  Will it be the same for Mishima Dojo?  Probably.

How in the world are they going to get all of Kazuya's moves into Smash?

Smash only has two attack buttons. Unless they're going to map most of these attack to a different direction, I'm not sure how they're going to do it..
For starters, Heihachi didn't have all his moves in PSASBR yet worked fine.  Not all of Kaz's source moves need to be added, just the ones that are well known like EWGF, Hellsweep, Wavedash, Laser, etc.  Stuff that will help him keep up with the rest of the cast.

There is a niche title called Tekken Advance for the Gameboy Advance that was also a two button fighter and all the cast had their moves revamped to fit in it.  However, Kaz wasn't a part of that game.  It's just to give you an idea that a 2-button Tekken game existed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 21, 2021, 12:39:16 pm
For Tekken Advance, you can use Jin since it's based on Tekken 3 and he was the Kazuya replacement in that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 28, 2021, 03:33:32 pm


Going live in less than half an hour.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on June 28, 2021, 03:44:37 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMy8Ah4eQ8g[/youtube]

Going live in less than half an hour.

thanks
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RagingRowen on June 28, 2021, 04:43:54 pm
Mii Fighters:
1. Lloyd (Tales of Symphonia)
2. Skyrim's Dragonborn (Shown as just Dragonborn)
3. Dante (Just Dante, no game here).
4. Shantae

Dante will probably hurt the most seeing the amount of people demanding him since the Byleth Teaser. Decent choices though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on June 28, 2021, 04:47:41 pm
No Klonoa, no Crash and no Tekken casts...
4 costumes.... Are they out of ideas?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 28, 2021, 04:49:03 pm
And now it's over.  Dude looks fun.  The taunt 4-hit combo's amusing.

The Miis this time are Lloyd, Dragonborn, Dante and Shantae.  Hm.

The Mii Fighters are always a mixed bag to me.  I wholeheartedly appreciate the acknowledgement, but the fact they're still clearly Miis with their notable bodies and faces always just makes me not want to use these cosplay ones.  Its really only worked when the costumes completely obscure the fact they're Miis and the character they're copying already falls into a similar art style like Sans or the Fallout mascot dude.

Oh well.  Three of the four are appreciated by me, will likely pick them up regardless.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on June 28, 2021, 04:51:00 pm
Track lists
(https://i.ibb.co/Chsgh0X/track.png)

 Dante o_O
(https://i.ibb.co/MfZY1wH/dante.png)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 28, 2021, 05:49:22 pm
I can't believe that he actually did end up adding in the sheep grassland song  :coollove:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 28, 2021, 05:52:55 pm
Don't let these influx of content distract you from the fact that the T6 SHEEP MUSIC is now in Smash.

As for Kaz, just watching his playstyle is enough to make my fingers bleed.  To think they would give him WS and juggles is madness.  Thankfully, they made EWGF somewhat forgiving by not making it done on one frame.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Kazumi and Heihachi's names based on Tekken 2's dojo floor.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on June 28, 2021, 05:54:42 pm
it's an engraving for Heihachi and Kazumi. Heihachi and Kazumi engraved their names together on the dojo floor when they fell in love.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on June 28, 2021, 06:37:11 pm
it's an engraving for Heihachi and Kazumi. Heihachi and Kazumi engraved their names together on the dojo floor when they fell in love.

 :yaoming: by the way my expectation wasnt shattered completed cause no volcano stage, what happened?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 28, 2021, 11:31:05 pm
Holy hell Atlus, the body's not even cold yet. (https://twitter.com/Atlus_West/status/1409525713854603264)

(https://i.redd.it/ix0soqiuu0871.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: walt on June 29, 2021, 12:19:07 am
Kazuya looks awfully complicated to use and I don't think I'll be maining him, but I'm super glad he's in!

(https://i.imgur.com/s0OqhGs.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 29, 2021, 01:48:58 am
Holy hell Atlus, the body's not even cold yet. (https://twitter.com/Atlus_West/status/1409525713854603264)

(https://i.redd.it/ix0soqiuu0871.jpg)

Gonna be a huge flex if the last DLC d-bag ends up being Flynn
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 29, 2021, 01:58:34 am
Holy hell Atlus, the body's not even cold yet. (https://twitter.com/Atlus_West/status/1409525713854603264)

(https://i.redd.it/ix0soqiuu0871.jpg)

Gonna be a huge flex if the last DLC d-bag ends up being Flynn

the son of crimson right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 29, 2021, 02:08:27 am
Random thought too late to matter much at this point, but thinking on it, surprised that since they based the Shantae skin on Pirate's Curse that they made it a brawler-type Mii.  4 out of the 5 Shantae games, sure, I get it, closest thing to the hair attack.  But they based it on the title that had the biggest Nintendo connection, the DS's top rated game or whatever the award was, I forget.  The one entry in the series where she has a prominent sword.

I mean I guess it's not hers story/lore-wise, but whatever, it's not like there was a Risky Boots skin that would have ended up on the chopping block over it.  They went with DMC1 Dante with Alastor, not exactly the de facto face of the franchise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on July 10, 2021, 07:55:56 pm
 :nuttrox:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 14, 2021, 04:11:58 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1415113823388934150?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6GAGG_UYAIy4SN?format=jpg&name=900x900)

A new Spirit event with characters from Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin will be added this week.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 14, 2021, 02:52:28 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1415113823388934150?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6GAGG_UYAIy4SN?format=jpg&name=900x900)

A new Spirit event with characters from Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin will be added this week.

That is a very curious game that I never heard of. Is it any good?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 25, 2021, 07:04:36 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9ekoDSVoAQ9iwm.jpg)

We may not be getting Travis in Smash, but to promote No More Heroes 3, he will be getting his own Spirit event.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 25, 2021, 11:52:35 pm
Twist the knife a little more, Sakurai.   :foreveralone:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on August 26, 2021, 02:55:25 am
A crossover where Shrek doesn't have a slightest chance to be included isn't a well thought crossover anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 23, 2021, 01:25:56 am
So, there's a Nintendo Direct scheduled for tomorrow. Y'all think we'll finally find out who the last DLC character is?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 23, 2021, 01:48:24 am
Possibly.  I feel like we will get an announcement of a Smash direct rather than a reveal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 23, 2021, 01:54:57 am
They said it was focused on winter releases.  I don't recall what previous Directs that also included a Smash reveal said in their description.  If they also said they had a Smash announcement, then no, this one announced today makes no mention of Smash.  If they didn't yet threw one in anyways, sure I guess.  They are running out of time in the year rapidly, especially if they want a hype session carried on up to and after the final DLC for the game.  But still perfectly viable they can hold off all the way until December if they so want.

The main Nintendo exclusive winter release that I imagine they'd want to capitalize on is the new Pokemon, and being a gen 4 remake it already has its own fanbase in tow.  So that's still my logical conclusion.  Pokemon isn't exactly as small as Fire Emblem where even if it were to disappoint it wouldn't be as detrimental as it was to Byleth, if it is something Pokemon related.  But at this point I'm good on it being whoever.  Waluigi, new Monster Hunter thing, hell double dip on the Undertale meme what with the new Deltarune having dropped recently and have Papyrus upstage Sans as a full character.  Just no more Fire Emblem, please.

Also the smallest of small glimmer of hope what with Nintendo genuinely strangely backing Metroid's marketing push with Dread makes me want to hope it's something to promote that, but that would be hypocritical to wish that but be against Fire Emblem.  Bleh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nate on September 23, 2021, 02:52:17 am
it would be shitty if it was another fire emblem character. no one wants that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 23, 2021, 03:07:32 am
it would be shitty if it was another fire emblem character. no one wants that
they don't even have a Fire Emblem character they could feasibly add...but they COULD add another Pokémon rep, and that would be a real stinker, too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on September 23, 2021, 03:13:49 am
it could be another Metroid Character, Sakurai always surprise us hahaha you know Nintendo have been announcing Metroid everywhere
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 23, 2021, 03:28:07 am
Sakurai's gonna scoop Nickelodeon Smash by adding Jimmy Neutron into Ultimate first.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on September 23, 2021, 08:11:01 am
they don't even have a Fire Emblem character they could feasibly add...but they COULD add another Pokémon rep, and that would be a real stinker, too.

sure they do, the next fire emblem protag could be added before his game even comes out
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 23, 2021, 01:56:30 pm
they don't even have a Fire Emblem character they could feasibly add...but they COULD add another Pokémon rep, and that would be a real stinker, too.

sure they do, the next fire emblem protag could be added before his game even comes out


...we don't even know if there even IS a new Fire Emblem game in development yet.
Think, Kouhai, think!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 24, 2021, 12:13:22 am
I feel like we will get an announcement of a Smash direct rather than a reveal.
10/5 also confirmed last stream.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 24, 2021, 02:35:32 am
If the stream itself didn't say, didn't go back to double check, their social media post repeating the Smash direct news also confirmed there are still more Mii costumes.

We've covered all Smash 4 costumes that were missing the last pack, so I'm left to assume the remaining Mii costumes will be the runner-ups were highly requested but didn't make the cut.

So, you know, practice your Mii Swordsman for Sora now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 27, 2021, 04:19:14 am
Curious of how will Sakurai give Smash Ultimate a proper sendoff. Like LJK said, the Mii Fighter costumes are probably those who didn't make it. Too bad the bottom portion of the select screen won't be filled to the max but hey, they can only go so far with this game and this is the limit for them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 27, 2021, 04:43:47 am
I believe this series is ready to move on to the next entry after this unless they somehow decide to do a GOTY version for the OLED but that ain't happening.  It had an amazing lifespan and this may be the only time a crossover of this calibur can happen.

Themed tourneys and spirit events will still be a thing but here's hoping that they would squeeze it one final single player content for those with all DLC.

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So, you know, practice your Mii Swordsman for Sora now.
See my Gunner Doomslayer setups.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nate on September 27, 2021, 05:24:40 am
or my Kris/Susie swordfighter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2021, 05:43:15 am
I kinda want to see them try to poke the old school Doom hornet's nest and have the Mii Gunner Doomguy have the BFG but it's required it has to only be called the Bio-Force Gun.  Bring up that old scar.

Speaking of Sora, just to throw this in and stir up some trouble for those wishing for hope, the latest "leak" going around is some guy back in June claimed to be on Disney's end and got a request passed down from his higher ups to continue the chain of getting the right people to sign off on letting Nintendo use Kingdom Hearts music on an upcoming presentation.  The leak's credibility comes from them being told it's for a Smash presentation on October 5th.  If it was a guess it was a rather lucky shot in the dark.

Take it as you usually do with your leaks.  Would be nice to have Sora, be fun to see the reactions of yet another fan-made rule that the Smash team supposedly have to abide get broken and it's another Square rep.  I kinda would prefer Lara Croft if I think about it as a better mark in history, but Sora's pretty great too.

For what it's worth, ignoring the leak, I'm reminded of this collective poll results of various Smash polls around the world from two years ago.
(https://www.gamerevolution.com/assets/uploads/2019/09/Smash-Bros-Ultimate-DLC-fighters.jpg)
And I would not be surprised if they write off the last Ultimate character done in a similar fashion as Bayonetta was just go with Sora because it was fairly clear people wanted him super bad above others for years now.

...Also can we talk about how much Japan wants a Gundam in Smash?  I feel like like the Japanese fan base is working on a whole other level of priorities here.  That or they really love those Super Deformed Gundams.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on September 27, 2021, 06:46:22 am
Gundam legit is the best thing on this entire poll. I don't even care for the series but a chibi mech suit brings so much to the table.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 27, 2021, 07:54:15 am
Speaking of Sora, just to throw this in and stir up some trouble for those wishing for hope, the latest "leak" going around is some guy back in June claimed to be on Disney's end and got a request passed down from his higher ups to continue the chain of getting the right people to sign off on letting Nintendo use Kingdom Hearts music on an upcoming presentation.  The leak's credibility comes from them being told it's for a Smash presentation on October 5th.  If it was a guess it was a rather lucky shot in the dark.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Every single "leak" is wrong and is someone trying to get their 15 minutes. When was the last time a so called leak ended up being accurate? I don't think any of them even listed Kazuya as a character.

Whatever guidelines Ninty uses to choose potential candidates for Smash probably have Sora qualify for it, but he's such a HUGE shot in the dark that not only are you firing blind, you don't even have any idea where the target even is. Sora has the nasty caveat of having to go through 2 companies that are pretty tough to work with. I feel like Sora isn't really worth going through the hassle when you can still get other star characters with less of a headache. Heck, Ninty themselves probably still have a few characters of their own they could use.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 27, 2021, 08:02:33 am
...Also can we talk about how much Japan wants a Gundam in Smash?  I feel like like the Japanese fan base is working on a whole other level of priorities here.  That or they really love those Super Deformed Gundams.
I mean, Gundam is a huge icon and has been for the past 40+ years, I guess it's not that surprising. I just dunno what those people voting for it are imagining such an entry to look like.

Relatedly my pie in the sky, never happening ever in a million years fantasy for the final Smash character is someone from Super Robot Wars. Not like a licensed character, but one of the many many original characters created for the SRW games.

I honestly think it would fit really well: the series started on Game Boy, and called Nintendo consoles as their only home for a fairly long time, up until the CD console era. And even after moving the mainline releases to various Playstation consoles, they still put out at least one entry on every single Nintendo console out there, not to mention numerous, numerous portable entries on all Nintendo handhelds.

Plus, the Original Generation subseries (wherein the original characters invented for various SRW games are all mashed together into a single cohesive world and storyline) debuted on Game Boy Advance, and they'd almost certainly pick someone who's been in an OG game as their rep for Smash. And they're celebrating their 30th anniversary this year and are about to come out with a new game next month! And the primary platform for that new game is the Switch!!!

It'd probably make most sense to have use a character who is established as being an excellent fighter out of the cockpit, because I can't imagine they'd shrink down a whole giant robot and turn that into a fighter; there's several expert hand-to-hand fighters (such as Sanger, who appeared without his mech as a playable character in one of the Project X Zone games) that could serve well enough, and then maybe they'd summon their mech for their Final Smash or whatever. Then again they could just bullshit a moveset in order to use the first ever and most popular original protagonist, Masaki, even if he isn't known for his combat skills outside his mech.

But of course, this is all a delusional fantasy of mine, and has absolutely no way of actually happening... even though I look at the timing of the new SRW game and the Smash Direct and try and pretend it'll happen. :qq:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on September 27, 2021, 08:06:09 am
But of course, this is all a delusional fantasy of mine, and has absolutely no way of actually happening... even though I look at the timing of the new SRW game and the Smash Direct and try and pretend it'll happen. :qq:

Don't worry, we all have delusional fantasies. Any time I tell folks how much I want Paper Mario they tell me to temper my expectations lol

There's no harm in wanting something wild though, I mean somehow we always get something wild anyways. Nothing's impossible. :0



Except Goku.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2021, 08:27:22 am
Frankly, your pilot idea is just Captain Falcon but if it were Domon Kasshu instead.

Which would be just fine in my book because one of his obligatory taunts will be done WITH THE HELP OF KYOJI!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on September 27, 2021, 09:34:58 am
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Every single "leak" is wrong and is someone trying to get their 15 minutes. When was the last time a so called leak ended up being accurate? I don't think any of them even listed Kazuya as a character.

Whatever guidelines Ninty uses to choose potential candidates for Smash probably have Sora qualify for it, but he's such a HUGE shot in the dark that not only are you firing blind, you don't even have any idea where the target even is. Sora has the nasty caveat of having to go through 2 companies that are pretty tough to work with. I feel like Sora isn't really worth going through the hassle when you can still get other star characters with less of a headache. Heck, Ninty themselves probably still have a few characters of their own they could use.
Gotta put an objection there.
People are going like, oh Nintendo probably has characters of their own, my response to that is: like who? For real, a lot of the candidates are going through one or more obstacles:
Ring Fit Adventure? Spirit event messes with that but it means nothing to the millions of copies it's still selling to this very day.
Luigi's Mansion 3? Could work, but it's not like Nintendo had big plans for that game.
Astral Chain? Same spirit event issue, probably less problematic because that was years ago, but still. Also the game is done and well beyond any chance of DLC support to keep it around like Xenoblade.
Animal Crossing? Could see happen.
Zelda? Knowing how badly treated is the Zelda roster in Smash (it's just three Links, Zelda, Shiek and Ganondorf), I'd be shocked if they actually included a character from there.
Kirby? Maybe.
Unless you wanna also include characters with big requests like Waluigi, there's no reason to believe Nintendo has that many characters to use. And not just that, Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra had more going for them than just being recent Nintendo characters, the former was definitely part of some kind of aborted ARMS revival campaign (remember that comic that was supposedly still in the works? Yeah, me neither), and the latter had their game go through some lengthy DLC support and also had fan demand on their side.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 27, 2021, 10:05:42 am
Yea, I'm not going to pretend I know what's left either. Ninty does pretty much have their all star lineup already in.

But they also have a vast library of IPs. They can pull something out there if they really want to and it wouldn't be the first time they've done so. Who remembered the Ice Climbers before Melee or Pit before Brawl?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 27, 2021, 11:33:05 am
Heck, Ninty themselves probably still have a few characters of their own they could use.
They sure do. It's why I think that the final Smash DLC fighter is gonna be a Pokémon rep.
Because you just HAVE to end Smash DLC on a fucking disappointment!
That's just what Smash ALWAYS did!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 27, 2021, 12:01:32 pm
The absence of anything Ace Attorney is very strange.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on September 27, 2021, 03:36:58 pm
They sure do. It's why I think that the final Smash DLC fighter is gonna be a Pokémon rep.
Because you just HAVE to end Smash DLC on a fucking disappointment!
That's just what Smash ALWAYS did!

I wouldn’t call Bayonetta a disappointment, but Byleth definitely was lol

The absence of anything Ace Attorney is very strange.

I am surprised that we have no real spirit selection or event for the series. I’m expecting a Mii Costume unless Phoenix is the final fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on September 27, 2021, 05:18:35 pm
A SD Gundam Mii costume would be such a mind-blowing way to represent the franchise in Smash, thinking about it...!

But anyway -
About Sora... I wanna be mind open now, and ask to the folks who actually got the chance to properly experience the series: What's really appealing about this character? Is his direct connection to Disney IPs the sole reason people wanna se him make it in? Or boy's got some actually good character traits that I'm sadly missing out?


Except Goku.

* I unironically want a memey, non-gaming character to officially show up in Smash, just so people would finally put those fan-theory restrictions down their own throats, and finish this argument for good;

There's no way a character like Goku or even Shrek wouldn't look actually awesome inside the game, if Nintendo were really willing to do it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on September 27, 2021, 05:21:22 pm
I don't care who it will be. I have my favorites in. If it's Sora, that's cool. If it's Waluigi, that's nice. If it's a character that is new, that's original. Let's face it, we had a long journey of Smash Bros and i had my wishes and i had a fun ride.

Even the Mii Fighters costumes could be surprisingly good like Cuphead and Sans. If Sora gets to be the Mii Fighter costume, fine by me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on September 27, 2021, 05:28:21 pm
About Sora... I wanna be mind open now, and ask to the folks who actually got the chance to properly experience the series: What's really appealing about this character? Is his direct connection to Disney IPs the sole reason people wanna se him make it in? Or boy's got some actually good character traits that I'm sadly missing out?

Honestly I have the same question. I've never played Kingdom Hearts and have no interest in doing so, but from what I've seen of the games (I've watched a playthrough of the first and part of the second several years back) he seems... neat? I mean he certainly has moveset potential but I dunno why he's arguably the most requested character for Smash these days.

I honestly think it's just for the sake of having Kingdom Hearts (and by extension, Disney) in Smash. Regardless of how much people like the character I think it's just for the sake of the Disney representation in Smash lmao
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on September 27, 2021, 05:44:36 pm
Yea, I'm not going to pretend I know what's left either. Ninty does pretty much have their all star lineup already in.

But they also have a vast library of IPs. They can pull something out there if they really want to and it wouldn't be the first time they've done so. Who remembered the Ice Climbers before Melee or Pit before Brawl?

Well, not gonna start a debate here, but let's just keep this in mind: those two characters were chosen by Sakurai, not Nintendo. I think one can definitely see the difference between them (not recent, chosen for curiosity and future plans) and Byleth, Min Min and Pyra/Mythra (chosen to tie in to recent games).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on September 27, 2021, 06:01:51 pm
The next character will be a metroid character why I think of this? because Sakurai will show the next character this octuber 5 and Metroid dread will be released in octuber 8 so how to sell more copies? easy money my friends and Metroid saga needs to sell more copies. but I would like a final character that anybody is waiting for, However an original character made by Sakurai would be a good addition to say good bye, for example.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 27, 2021, 06:02:52 pm
They sure do. It's why I think that the final Smash DLC fighter is gonna be a Pokémon rep.
Because you just HAVE to end Smash DLC on a fucking disappointment!
That's just what Smash ALWAYS did!

I wouldn’t call Bayonetta a disappointment, but Byleth definitely was lol
Bayonetta may not be a disappointment, but that's because she's a ballot pick.
However, Smash 4's final non-ballot DLC fighter was fucking Corrin, and he/she is arguably an even BIGGER disappointment than Byleth.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on September 27, 2021, 06:14:43 pm
Bayonetta may not be a disappointment, but that's because she's a ballot pick.
However, Smash 4's final non-ballot DLC fighter was fucking Corrin, and he/she is arguably an even BIGGER disappointment than Byleth.

True but it could've been worse.

They could've started with Bayonetta and ended with Corrin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2021, 06:27:16 pm
About Sora... I wanna be mind open now, and ask to the folks who actually got the chance to properly experience the series: What's really appealing about this character? Is his direct connection to Disney IPs the sole reason people wanna se him make it in? Or boy's got some actually good character traits that I'm sadly missing out?
Sora as a character is your typical shonen main boy hero.  It's not a particularly unique designation, but it is a proven archtype that works and people like and Sora is no different.  He's a light hearted, cheerful, dumb as a rock hilbilly who don't know why magic computer keep beeping at him when he can't find the Any Key.

Probably more unique ironically is even more than his comparison to your shonen protagoinist hero is he is more accurately an one-for-one copy of Sailor Moon.  His characterization, powers and themes mirror Usagi's whole, like, everything, except the magical girl staff/wand has been replaced by a key.  Which the fanbase has taken notice of and had their fun with.

Beyond that, I suppose his appeal is his stand-in for the everyman thrown into a ridiculously overcomplicated situation and his solution is to hit it hard enough until it gets fixed.  Kingdom Hearts is also notorious for having a Metal Gear Solid-esque comically complex and layered plot for what is essentially on the surface your basic Light versus Darkness story.  Sora however just doesn't get any of it at all and just wants the basics; get his friends back, beat anyone bad's face in if they can't be redeemed.

That all said, it's not a zero percent appeal that yeah, this is also still somehow a blending of Final Fantasy and Disney characters with their own histories being blended together and Sora, once again the average player stand-in, co-mingling with them.  His connections with many of the Disney movie characters is usually not that deep and it's more the coolness factor that you get to see what happens when Cloud Strife strikes a deal with Hades to kill Hercules.  For whatever reason you envisioned that scenario as a kid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 27, 2021, 08:39:50 pm
What I expect it to be: that girl from Shin Megami Tensei V

That's a dude :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2021, 08:58:31 pm
Yeah, that threw me off for about 2 or so weeks as well once I heard of it again after first being shown off and that was clarified.  That's a super effeminate looking guy.  Yeah, anime and all, but the face is straight-up just a standard anime girl design, mixed with the long hair and the robot suit could pass for a muscular woman's body type.  I thought maybe they were making some sort of artistic statement or something and the girl's power transformed her into a dude in that demonic magic new world, but no, it's just the character design.

Eh, whatever floats their boat I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on September 27, 2021, 10:44:48 pm
About Sora... I wanna be mind open now, and ask to the folks who actually got the chance to properly experience the series: What's really appealing about this character? Is his direct connection to Disney IPs the sole reason people wanna se him make it in? Or boy's got some actually good character traits that I'm sadly missing out?
Sora as a character is your typical shonen main boy hero.  It's not a particularly unique designation, but it is a proven archtype that works and people like and Sora is no different.  He's a light hearted, cheerful, dumb as a rock hilbilly who don't know why magic computer keep beeping at him when he can't find the Any Key.

Probably more unique ironically is even more than his comparison to your shonen protagoinist hero is he is more accurately an one-for-one copy of Sailor Moon.  His characterization, powers and themes mirror Usagi's whole, like, everything, except the magical girl staff/wand has been replaced by a key.  Which the fanbase has taken notice of and had their fun with.

Beyond that, I suppose his appeal is his stand-in for the everyman thrown into a ridiculously overcomplicated situation and his solution is to hit it hard enough until it gets fixed.  Kingdom Hearts is also notorious for having a Metal Gear Solid-esque comically complex and layered plot for what is essentially on the surface your basic Light versus Darkness story.  Sora however just doesn't get any of it at all and just wants the basics; get his friends back, beat anyone bad's face in if they can't be redeemed.

That all said, it's not a zero percent appeal that yeah, this is also still somehow a blending of Final Fantasy and Disney characters with their own histories being blended together and Sora, once again the average player stand-in, co-mingling with them.  His connections with many of the Disney movie characters is usually not that deep and it's more the coolness factor that you get to see what happens when Cloud Strife strikes a deal with Hades to kill Hercules.  For whatever reason you envisioned that scenario as a kid.

People really only want him because he's the series protagonist.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on September 27, 2021, 10:46:00 pm
These people really only want him because they're KH fanboys.

... I'm not sure if I'm missing some sort of sarcasm here but it sounds correct to want a character you are a fan of, that originates from a series you are a fan of, to cross over into Smash, no matter how absurd or unlikely the character is. :0
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Magma MK-II on September 27, 2021, 10:48:47 pm
... I'm not sure if I'm missing some sort of sarcasm here but it sounds correct to want a character you are a fan of, that originates from a series you are a fan of, to cross over into Smash, no matter how absurd or unlikely the character is. :0

I fixed my post, sorry.

I couldn't care less about that series (in fact I find it very overrated) and even then if they were to pick someone from there there are way better choices.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2021, 10:58:07 pm
Okay....?  And you're reaching assuming that's the only possible reason people might want him.

Have you considered perhaps people have opinions other than yours?  Maybe people like characters you don't?

No one's obligated to like the main character best, but nothing's stopping them either.  My favorite character from Kingdom Hearts is Xion because it reminds me of Evangelion's Rei.  But I still find Sora is still the best choice in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 27, 2021, 11:06:38 pm

* I unironically want a memey, non-gaming character to officially show up in Smash, just so people would finally put those fan-theory restrictions down their own throats, and finish this argument for good;

There's no way a character like Goku or even Shrek wouldn't look actually awesome inside the game, if Nintendo were really willing to do it.
It’s here where I will bring up once again the time when Sakurai got up in front of a massive crowd of people at a major awards ceremony and begged people to stop harassing him to add non-video game characters into Smash Bros- specifically calling out Goku in particular-  because that’s not what Smash Bros is about.

It’s not a fan-theory restriction, it’s literally the director of the game saying it’s never going to happen.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Karl/Karla on September 28, 2021, 12:43:47 am

* I unironically want a memey, non-gaming character to officially show up in Smash, just so people would finally put those fan-theory restrictions down their own throats, and finish this argument for good;

There's no way a character like Goku or even Shrek wouldn't look actually awesome inside the game, if Nintendo were really willing to do it.
it’s here where I will bring up once again the time when Sakurai got up in front of a massive crowd of people at a major awards ceremony and begged people to stop harassing him to add non-video game characters into Smash Bros- specifically calling out Goku in particular-  because that’s not what Smash Bros is about.

It’s not a fan-theory restriction, it’s the literally the director of the game saying it’s never going to happen.



THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 28, 2021, 04:39:01 am
Right now I only see either Crash, a Gen 8 Pokemon or any other first party character may come close this game for good. Sora I can care less about because I never played the games and yeah he has potential but I'm not that crazy for him for Smash. There's gonna be hell breaking loose if they try to end this DLC lineup with yet another swordfighter. Tbh, someone else that isn't using swords should have a chance. Either way, I'm still gonna fork that final 5.99 over just so I can have the soon to be fully complete Smash roster. I doubt it very very much there's gonna be another Smash game after Ultimate because there is absolutely no way the next title will top this one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2021, 06:19:57 am
Frankly, your pilot idea is just Captain Falcon but if it were Domon Kasshu instead.
I mean, more or less. Except of course they actually have material to reference for mech pilots instead of just completely inventing shit like they had to for Captain Falcon.

Also here are more incontrovertible pieces of evidence that the final Smash character will be a character from SRW of my out of control delusion:

I think this definitively proves my theory is correct and I fully expect to proven right a week from now.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 28, 2021, 11:39:14 am
Expectations: SMT V protag, Cinderace, something advertising Metroid Dread

Desirable possibilities: Phoenix Wright, Doomguy/Chief

Desirable impossibilities: Reimu
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 28, 2021, 12:13:13 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cinderace, but I've noticed the Pokemon Company has been a lot less aggressive advertising gen 8 with it as its mascot than they were with Greninja in gen 6.  Even with getting some of the handful more detailed animations in the game over others, it then kinda just fell off the map.  It's not even the new thing they gave Ash in the t.v. show from what I hear, it went to that Pokemon Go representative new partner, yeah?

Like, it's still the company's favorite of the starters but it just hasn't been as shoved in your face this time around.  By this point it's kind of an afterthought to gen 8 as a whole.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 28, 2021, 01:12:20 pm
Honestly, I think this last fighter pass has proven that any and all guesses are out the window.  Every one has been consistently unexpected.  Nobody legitimately thought that Minecraft Steve would get in.  After the way Cloud was barely allowed in with barely any FFVII content, nobody expected Sephiroth.  After Rex got the Mii Costume treatment, nobody expected Pyra and Mythra to be playable without him.  Even back in Fighter Pass one, nobody was even talking about Persona, Dragon Quest, or Fatal Fury until it happened.

Everyone's gonna make their lists about who they expect and who's most likely, and then we'll get to the announcement next week and it's gonna be for Cooking Mama or King Graham or Bubsy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on September 28, 2021, 03:27:50 pm
can we do an open poll? until octuber 4 one character for people for the last character, lets do it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 28, 2021, 04:51:38 pm
Expectations: SMT V protag, Cinderace, something advertising Metroid Dread
Given that they likely chose the characters about 2 years ago, I seriously doubt the SMT V protag is a plausible choice. At the same rime, I doubt they would go for a Dread advertisement character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 29, 2021, 10:38:45 am
It's worth considering how long those games were in development for before being properly revealed (wasn't SMT teased years ago anyway?). Besides, that didn't stop Corrin from getting in last time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on September 29, 2021, 11:01:14 am
Yea, but it makes sense for Nintendo to promote their own work, not much so the work of others. Guest characters work because people can recognize them. Like there's a difference between someone with an established fanbase like Joker and someone new like the new SMT protag.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on September 30, 2021, 03:14:46 am

Yeah, I don't really think Nintendo cares that much about promoting third party releases. I don't want that SMTV guy at all, but Nintendo isn't gonna say "no" to him just because he'd be a tie-in release for a game that isn't owned by them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 30, 2021, 09:36:22 am
Hero wasn't a tie-in release for DQ11 either, though.
Dragon Quest just really is THAT big of a deal in Japan.
And if Japan gets it, then we get it as well, if we like it or not.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 01, 2021, 03:34:18 am
Like Trini said, Hero wasn't a tie in to DQ11.
If it were, it would have just been Luminary alone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 05, 2021, 03:34:08 pm
its starting.!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 05, 2021, 03:56:26 pm
here we go guys this is it, wish ourselves luck
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 05, 2021, 04:04:14 pm
See my Gunner Doomslayer setups.
Welp
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ComboAssassin20 on October 05, 2021, 04:08:19 pm
bad news: another waste of a development time of sora has been revealed... disappointed!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 05, 2021, 04:21:13 pm
Sora looks freaking cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 05, 2021, 04:22:13 pm
This finally happenned. I'm in tears of joy...! :qq:

The most exciting crossover is now a reality, starting from today!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 05, 2021, 04:53:13 pm
Its interesting to know that smash player have been playing offline batlle the most, over 11.7 billion and online battle over 7.8 billion
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 05, 2021, 04:57:12 pm
from joker to sora overall, this is it, around 10 days left to get hands on sora
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 05, 2021, 05:01:28 pm
Interesting that Sora was the actual winner of the Smash Fighter Ballot but Bayonetta was the one that was possible to make at the time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 05, 2021, 05:02:18 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/190110267709980672/894955657223090176/unknown.png)
HOLY SHIT I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on October 05, 2021, 05:04:03 pm
bad news: another waste of a development time of sora has been revealed... disappointed!

Love Sakurai and his team go all the hoops for months and even years with various companies (we're talking about the extremely stingy fucks that is Disney here) and we get people like you saying their time doing it all was a waste. Sora was the most requested character in the world by a wide margin and they delivered. Deal with it.

This finally happenned. I'm in tears of joy...! :qq:

The most exciting crossover is now a reality, starting from today!

[youtube]https://youtu.be/0Yl-_LYD0ik[/youtube]

What is the point of this post? It has nothing to do with Smash and the game itself turned out to be pretty janky. It's not the Smash killer that it's completely overhyped to be.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 05, 2021, 05:06:52 pm
from joker to sora overall, this is it, around 10 days left to get hands on sora

I was really expecting today
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 05, 2021, 05:29:05 pm
I’m not a fan of KH at all but the love that went into Sora’s development is legendary and unparalleled and it floored me.

It’s the end of an era… thank you for everything Mr. Sakurai, you and your team!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 05, 2021, 05:35:25 pm
I hate how KH1 heavy Sora ended up and how Square once again is asking you to play one of their games to unlock a piece of content for Smash.

But alas, the Mickey Mouse emblem now part of a series with Persona and Metal Gear in it.  Joy.

I feel as though Sora should have had the Birth By Sleep function of Magic cooldown while buffing them a bit but was prettt cool to see the Magic function like KH1.

Just disappointed to remember that Sora's story just won't effing end already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 05, 2021, 07:00:35 pm
What is the point of this post? It has nothing to do with Smash and the game itself turned out to be pretty janky. It's not the Smash killer that it's completely overhyped to be.

Nintendo chose to drop Smash's biggest announcement at the exact same day previously scheduled for NickBrawl's release date. Potentially overshadowing their most recent (but obviously smaller) competition.

May be just one more conspiracy thingy; but still, that would be my point.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on October 05, 2021, 07:16:10 pm
Surprised to see the actual Sora into Smash Bros, but disappointed on the few Mii Fighters costumes. Where are the rest and where are the Organization XIII costumes?

Aside from that, I'm happy to close the door and all that requesting chars for a game has ended. R.I.P Waluigi and Goku.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on October 05, 2021, 07:23:48 pm
What is the point of this post? It has nothing to do with Smash and the game itself turned out to be pretty janky. It's not the Smash killer that it's completely overhyped to be.

Nintendo chose to drop Smash's biggest announcement at the exact same day previously scheduled for NickBrawl's release date. Potentially overshadowing their most recent (but obviously smaller) competition.

May be just one more conspiracy thingy; but still, that would be my point.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
"competition" is vastly overstating nick brawl's impact. its always just going to be seen as a smash clone, that should tell you how tight nintendo holds its grip on the platform fighter genre.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on October 05, 2021, 07:55:51 pm
I was legit  :mcry: during that reveal trailer.  Not only is my favorite crossover game finally drawing to a close, but the character they chose is one from a game I played when I was fresh out of high school and beginning my journey to adulthood...

When one chapter ends, another begins.  I can now look forward to Nickelodeon All Star Brawl and the reveals it brings.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on October 05, 2021, 11:13:04 pm
Wow, that Waluigi reveal was weird.

Seriously though, I was indifferent whether Sora got in or not (was plenty more characters I would have preferred, but, at the same time, we could have gotten so much worse), but considering all of the hoops Sakurai and Co. must have went through to make it happen, I couldn't think of a more fitting character to serve as the "ultimate" Smash Ultimate character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mintloid on October 05, 2021, 11:39:52 pm
Well then................

its Sora

I'm honestly disapointed, but I ain't mad. If this shall be Sakurais final choice, then so be it. I'll say that not only smash bros ultimate ended on a mediocre note, but smash bros in general is fallen off with crazy shit these past few years. Some good and some bad, its definitley what the producers have to think of what many players around the world know of their choices when it comes to not only fighters, but stages, modes, and many others.

Other than that, farewell to Sakurai and smash bros, may these two things live long in our hearts. :love:

BTW, Not interested in Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl. :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kanbei on October 06, 2021, 01:04:42 am
I lost it, 20 years ago (I think game informer or gamepro) I saw the magazine talk about Kingdom Hearts and I thought I hope one day he joins mario and friends in one of his games, I guess my wish got granted. lol What an epic end!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 06, 2021, 01:37:55 am
(...and also my bias against the fucking white privileges :x overly handsome teenagers trope getting the larger spotlights, as always.)
Literally what?  What are you on about?  Didn't we go through the whole "Anime characters are not white" debacle years ago with that awful Hollywood GitS rendition?  Sora's as dopey Japanese as you can get out of a JRPG star.  From the goofy hair made fun off numerous times in the games to the island life to his freaking name.  What does this have to do with Sora and Kingdom Hearts?

And likewise;
What is the point of this post? It has nothing to do with Smash and the game itself turned out to be pretty janky. It's not the Smash killer that it's completely overhyped to be.
Huh?  No one outside disillusioned Smash pro YouTube channels are even talking about the game, and they're not even considering the thought.  Not at all even the developers, that is not their goal at all to dethrone Smash Bros. but to make a Melee supplement since Nintendo isn't interested in keeping that scene alive.  Beyond that the developers are just Garfield-obsessed memelords.

I can't imagine anyone could even muster disappointment after the legal impossibilities this character's inclusion must have meant, to satisfy the actual legitimate majority of the fanbase, but sometimes one forgets how much personal preference clouds one's perception.   Have it happen plenty to me as well.  But Kingdom Hearts is somewhere in that top 5 game series ever category and personal minute gripes I can find are completely overshadowed by the fact that Sora at all is in the game.  This is how you do a polar opposite of Byleth.

THAT ALL SAID.....those minute details make me point out that as many hoops were jumped through to get as much as they did, I see Utada was not a part of the deal and there's no main themes.  On the one hand, shame, but on the other, Sonic stages and Warioware's Ashley song have made it abundantly clear lyrical songs don't mesh as well while actually fighting.  And I'm a bit surprised that the character is super heavily based on KH1 alone for the movepool.  No keyblade swapping or form changes or flowmotion or any of all that fun stuff.  Which is probably fine as to not overpower the character with options but still.

Anyways, non-Sora stuff.  What was the deal with that Dark Souls fake-out?  The Sora connection made more sense after being explained the fire was the "Light that never goes out", but that was a near shot-for-shot recreation of a bonfire kindling from Dark Souls and by all means looked like we were getting the Chosen Undead until Mario just chucked the firepit.  And Doomguy's here as well.  Neat.  Face covering Mii outfits look SO much better than those that don't, and this continues that trend.  Another one I might pick up just because.  And I guess nice bone toss for Octoling fans that were still holding out after the Octo Expansion.  Next Smash game, guys.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cobra Caddie on October 06, 2021, 06:50:46 am
One time I had a dream where at the end of the dream, me and everyone hero and villain alike stopped and started singing Simple and Clean. And it was the real song and the correct lyrics. It was pretty surreal

I've never played Kingdom Hearts lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 06, 2021, 02:54:22 pm
I've never played Kingdom Hearts lol

Me neither.

Regarding the news about Sora getting in, I feel... indifferent? I know he was big in the Playstation circles and madly popular because of the Disney crossover, so he probably deserve the spot, but I can't shake the feeling that there is someone more worthy of the spot. It is probably because I never played Kingdom Hearts and would get awfully annoyed about the rabid fanbase the series has (I do recall the fanbase back in the day being just unbearable).

Anyway, congrats to all who made a Disney property come onto Smash. Enjoy it while you can, for it is all but guaranteed that he will not be in the next Smash game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mysticus92 on October 06, 2021, 03:08:29 pm
Never played KH series in my life.
And yet I am so surprised that madman of Masahiro Sakurai put a Disney character in Smash.
It looks like the road is finally over.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 06, 2021, 03:59:02 pm
i kinda sorta predicted sora when i said something about disney making a smash bros game and have sora be the guest character
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on October 06, 2021, 05:44:58 pm
And yet I am so surprised that madman of Masahiro Sakurai put a Disney character in Smash.
half disney, the other half is square enix.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 06, 2021, 07:07:43 pm
Literally what?  What are you on about?  Didn't we go through the whole "Anime characters are not white" debacle years ago with that awful Hollywood GitS rendition?  Sora's as dopey Japanese as you can get out of a JRPG star.  From the goofy hair made fun off numerous times in the games to the island life to his freaking name.  What does this have to do with Sora and Kingdom Hearts?

Alright, I worded it kinda bad, and it indeed looks silly now. Sorry for the misconception.

I meant "Anime-looking" privileges;
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: bubilovescars on October 06, 2021, 09:47:55 pm
i kinda sorta predicted sora when i said something about disney making a smash bros game and have sora be the guest character

And me. I made a Sora Mii back when Smash 4 came and following by making more KH Mii's. Now that the real Sora is out, i don't need my Sora Mii anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on October 07, 2021, 07:33:24 am
Finally, Sakurai can rest.

Also I know I said a Super Robot Wars character was gonna be revealed and you might think I was proven wrong but ACTUALLY I was right all along because Kingdom Hearts is just Super Robot Wars but with Disney instead of mech anime. :yeses:

plus you know that sooner or later Squeenix is gonna make an OG Kingdom Hearts subseries, with just the original characters and storylines, just like SRW. Probably call it something weird like Kingdom Hearts Original Generation: The 69th Days (RE: CC: BBC:). I was right about Smash so I will also be right about this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 07, 2021, 08:30:40 am
I mean you could have just pointed to the mech anime video game point of the Toy Story world in Kingdom Hearts III that already happened.

Which you must know of.  Of course you must.  Because who else is obsessed with mechs?  Rex from Toy Story.  Which must mean you must be Rex from Toy Story's Heartless.

As I always suspected.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 07, 2021, 03:43:20 pm
Never played KH series in my life either, but Sora looks really good into smash according to his art style and yes Sakurai got a way with it because it was a another sword character. :yaoming:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 07, 2021, 07:20:56 pm
Now i'll have to wait for a smash bros spinoff but with pokemon to happen
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 07, 2021, 09:30:02 pm
That's definitely not going to happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 07, 2021, 09:33:49 pm
can't wait for fighter pass 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 07, 2021, 09:59:39 pm
can't wait for fighter pass 3 and 4.

Yeah, you can see that happening only in your dream world. There's only so much they can do. 89 fighters and almost 120 unique stages are good enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 07, 2021, 10:38:58 pm
can't wait for fighter pass 3 and 4.

Yeah, you can see that happening only in your dream world. There's only so much they can do. 89 fighters and almost 120 unique stages are good enough.


then I'll have to wait for 5 and 6 too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 07, 2021, 10:42:52 pm
Pretty sure Sakurai doesn't even have enough budget to warrant a FP3 at this point and I don't think Nintendo is in any rush to further promote Ultimate when there is a plethora of upcoming Switch titles looming about so yea, I think Ultimate is just about done with large content and we will still get the occasional Spirit events from new titles (such as Metroid Dread) and gimmick tournaments.

Basically, let the poor beast and his team rest already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 07, 2021, 11:00:18 pm
haha, remember when people were hoping that Smash Ultimate would be the last Smash game and would be used as a "platform" to constantly update it with new fighters, almost in a "games as a life service" kind of way?
haha, they were so damn naive
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 08, 2021, 12:38:38 am
then I'll have to wait for 5 and 6 too.
They've already confirmed that Vol. 2 was the definite end.

Just wait for the next Smash game. Of course there will be a next Smash game, Ninty will do one with or without Sakurai.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 08, 2021, 01:01:26 am
Smash is over. I mean there will be another Smash, but Smash is over. This is the end regardless of how not the end it is.


That being said, I hope the next one has rollback.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 08, 2021, 01:16:30 am
If anything, I'm curious what characters they made extended deals with other companies to continue to include said characters in future titles.  Seeing from hearsay most everyone was fine with Ultimate here keeping all prior guest stars except Square.  And then whatever their renegotiated deal was with Sephiroth going forward brought in a truckload more content, as well as also tying into Sora.

Same to all those Mii costumes that certainly took their own extra degree of bartering to get at all in this game, how many of them are being lined up as full fledged characters the next time around?  Doom's resurgence in popularity since 2016 continuing to rise ever since tells me that since Doomguy cleared the biggest hurdle of getting in at all, he's a prime candidate next game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 08, 2021, 01:27:25 am
then I'll have to wait for 5 and 6 too.
They've already confirmed that Vol. 2 was the definite end.

Just wait for the next Smash game. Of course there will be a next Smash game, Ninty will do one with or without Sakurai.

(https://i.imgur.com/OqTLj6J.png)

There is at least 6 more passes in there^^^
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 08, 2021, 01:39:44 am
Sakurai's earned the best vacation in history tbh. I know everyone's said that already but fr I hope he's relaxing knowing he's engraved himself as a legend and his hard work paid off.

If they announce a new Smash sometime soon I hope he doesn't return for it. Simply cause he doesn't need that stress.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 08, 2021, 02:09:47 am
Smash is over.
Well Ultimate will still be featured in tournies officially or not, spirits and gimmick tourneys will still be a thing, FP2 Amiibos are in production with Min Min and Steve/Alex arriving first, maybe a final balance patch.

I'd say it's got a good a year or two left before production begins on the next entry.
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If they announce a new Smash sometime soon I hope he doesn't return for it. Simply cause he doesn't need that stress.
I don't see anyone other than Sakurai that can pull off Smash as it is now.  Maybe Harada, but that's the thing.  Unless you want a Nintendo styled Playstation All-Stars, the next developer will have a monumental task ahead that only Sakurai is familiar with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 08, 2021, 02:23:04 am
Well Ultimate will still be featured in tournies officially or not, spirits and gimmick tourneys will still be a thing, FP2 Amiibos are in production with Min Min and Steve/Alex arriving first, maybe a final balance patch.

I'd say it's got a good a year or two left before production begins on the next entry.

I didn't mean that, I meant, the franchise itself is over. Like, yeah, all the tourneys will still happen, balance patches may still come out, amiibos will come, spirit events will come, rumors of another game, followed by another game in actuality...

But like, Sora joining Smash as the final character of the ultimate Smash game, just feels like the end. Like, it doesn't matter what keeps happening after this. Smash is... just kinda done. Even though it's not done, it's... it's just done.

We've "finished the main story" so to speak, and now everything after is just post-game content.

I don't see anyone other than Sakurai that can pull off Smash as it is now.  Maybe Harada, but that's the thing.  Unless you want a Nintendo styled Playstation All-Stars, the next developer will have a monumental task ahead that only Sakurai is familiar with.

And that's fair, but if Sakurai MUST helm another Smash, then I don't want it for a long ass time. The man needs MORE than a couple of years away from this shit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 08, 2021, 02:32:53 am
Counter-point to mull over, Smash is just Kirby.  The guys who took over the Kirby series from Sakurai can feasibly likewise take over Smash from him if need be.

And sure, just like how the Kirby series has changed a bit since Sakurai left it to do Smash, I'd imagine them at the helm would also bring some unexpected changes to Smash.  Probably some sort of tag-team combo deal I'd imagine since they've made that a focus of sorts over a few titles.  Or greater emphasis on elemental damage types I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 08, 2021, 03:18:37 am
Smash made too much money to be done, regardless of whether Sakurai is involved or not

Mario and Zelda had to eventually move on without Miyamoto, Sonic had to move on without Yuji Naka, hell John Madden hasn't actually been in Madden for years
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 08, 2021, 03:20:44 am
haha, remember when people were hoping that Smash Ultimate would be the last Smash game and would be used as a "platform" to constantly update it with new fighters, almost in a "games as a life service" kind of way?
haha, they were so damn naive
They didn't say it would be, they said it should be. And honestly, I don't think that would be a bad idea, certainly not forever, but realistically, the game could hold for a long time, it has good gameplay, it doesn't really need to be crazy good when it comes to graphics and it would be awesome to see a lot more franchises in this crossover. I didn't really expect it to happen, but it would have been awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 08, 2021, 03:48:46 am
then I'll have to wait for 5 and 6 too.
They've already confirmed that Vol. 2 was the definite end.

Just wait for the next Smash game. Of course there will be a next Smash game, Ninty will do one with or without Sakurai.

(https://i.imgur.com/OqTLj6J.png)

There is at least 6 more passes in there^^^
That is not at all how that works, but ok.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 08, 2021, 03:54:14 am
then I'll have to wait for 5 and 6 too.
They've already confirmed that Vol. 2 was the definite end.

Just wait for the next Smash game. Of course there will be a next Smash game, Ninty will do one with or without Sakurai.

(https://i.imgur.com/OqTLj6J.png)

There is at least 6 more passes in there^^^
That is not at all how that works, but ok.

With enough money and the right push, that can exactly be how it works.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 08, 2021, 04:16:04 am
But like, Sora joining Smash as the final character of the ultimate Smash game, just feels like the end. Like, it doesn't matter what keeps happening after this. Smash is... just kinda done. Even though it's not done, it's... it's just done.
It'll truly be over the moment Master Chief, Crash Bandicoot, and a Gundam become a part of the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 08, 2021, 04:21:01 am
With enough money and the right push, that can exactly be how it works.
No amount of money is going to change the fact that Ultimate is done.
If you want to think otherwise, that's on you.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Melcore on October 08, 2021, 04:24:42 am
With enough money and the right push, that can exactly be how it works.
No amount of money is going to change the fact that Ultimate is done.
If you want to think otherwise, that's on you.

Only thing gonna be on me is a smile cause when fighter passes 9 and 10 come out ill finally say "I told you so."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 08, 2021, 04:27:52 am
I'm just gonna :yes:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 08, 2021, 07:11:30 am
then I'll have to wait for 5 and 6 too.
They've already confirmed that Vol. 2 was the definite end.

Just wait for the next Smash game. Of course there will be a next Smash game, Ninty will do one with or without Sakurai.

(https://i.imgur.com/OqTLj6J.png)

There is at least 6 more passes in there^^^

My dude, Sakurai's gonna overwork himself to death at this rate if he were to keep working on more Fighter Passes.  Sakurai needs treatment for his body instead of money at this point.  Maybe you're correct about the right push, but that said push, Iwata, is no longer around.  It's no secret that his heavy ambitions for Ultimate was partially a result of his loyalty to him.

This also assumes that the Switch's lifespan is going to actually last that long.  No way Nintendo would let Sakurai continue developing passes for Ultimate when they could be paying him to develop Smash on a new console instead.

----

It's obvious that Sakurai wants to put his work on Smash to rest and move onto other projects.  He said that this would be the last time he works on Smash, but that's what he said for 4 and Brawl too.  Nintendo is definitely going to continue the series with or without him, because it just prints so much money.  ...But at the same time, I don't think Sakurai would be satisfied with letting someone else handle a new Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 08, 2021, 11:18:32 am
You're talking to Melcore as if he cares.

But based on his attitude, he clearly doesn't.
All he sees in Sakurai is a slave who just has to work his bones off and deliver more and more and more DLC.
And honestly, people like him disgust me beyond words.

Volume 2 is the end of Smash Ultimate's DLC! End of discussion!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 08, 2021, 03:29:24 pm
and the end of smash bros series in general
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 08, 2021, 04:37:38 pm
This is the most accurate Fighters Pass 2 prediction you will ever see:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Man, this post aged well. Like a sweet, sweet bottle of milk after being exposed to a combo of supernovas. :pleased:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 08, 2021, 05:01:30 pm
Only thing gonna be on me is a smile cause when fighter passes 9 and 10 come out ill finally say "I told you so."
(https://c.tenor.com/CcEAffiJHjMAAAAC/jinkx-jinkx-monsoon.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RagingRowen on October 08, 2021, 05:07:22 pm
This is the most accurate Fighters Pass 2 prediction you will ever see:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Man, this post aged well. Like a sweet, sweet bottle of milk after being exposed to a combo of supernovas. :pleased:

At least Arms got through the cracks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on October 08, 2021, 07:42:21 pm
I have said this to my friend, Smash Ultimate is the Smash game to end all Smash games. This is pretty evident that there will be no more DLC stuff coming for Ultimate. The game is basically fully complete, more like beyond complete because I wasn't even expecting DLC to even come after getting every single fighter who has ever been in a Smash game period.

I strongly doubt there'll be another Smash title after this, it's named Ultimate internationally for a reason. There is literally no way, no how the next Smash game will be on par with Ultimate. And if there was another Smash game in the works, I hope Sakurai isn't involved because he's done beyond enough for the fans of the series. He and his team deserve to rest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 08, 2021, 08:36:14 pm
Smash sells way too well to stop doing it.

It won't reach the amount of stuff Ultimate had, but there will be another Smash game as long as it sells.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 08, 2021, 09:29:23 pm
They can easily launch Smash Ultimate - Complete Edition in a later console, let the franchise rest for a while and try to do the same thing as this one again. If they'll be able to match it? There is a good chance that they won't, but you never know.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on October 08, 2021, 11:21:56 pm
Alright, since people were talking about Sakurai leaving the franchise, may as well bring these two articles:
https://nintendosoup.com/sakurai-i-dont-think-everyone-is-here-will-happen-again-in-future-smash-bros-titles/
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First, Sakurai mentioned he wasn’t sure whether he’d be able to work on the Super Smash Bros. series forever, but if the order comes from Nintendo, he will prioritize it for them, but he isn’t sure whether he’d receive the call to make another game.

https://gamerant.com/super-smash-bros-director-masahiro-sakurai-retirement/
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However, Sakurai takes a surprising shift and says that it's because of this that "you have to fight and survive" in game development, and as a result he doesn't think he "can choose when [he'll] retire." Sakurai explains that thinks he should work as long as he can. Eventually, it's possible that his "heart gets broken" and he could quit, but so long as there's demand for his art he "can keep doing it forever." Suffice to say, Sakurai has a very profound approach to game development and his future.

Yes, bringing back everyone in Ultimate would be an impossible task, but I think these two quotes show pretty well that he can still keep doing games and more Smash entries if Nintendo wants him to. Obviously, such things are still far from the future, and we probably won't hear jack about another Smash game until the next Nintendo system, but getting him back to direct that title isn't an impossibility.

Personally, I think he's the only person that can do something to the franchise after such monumental game. It's probably gonna go through some similar flacks like UMvC3 suffered from the smaller roster, but that doesn't mean it can't be a great game and it would have less problematics than lending the franchise to another dev who has to fill the monumental shoes of Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 08, 2021, 11:31:33 pm
I mean, as long as I get to keep my mains (Roy, Ice Climbers, Lucas and Mega Man), I'll be fine.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on October 08, 2021, 11:43:55 pm
Any future Smash title will have to fundamentally rethink the game's formula from the ground up to be successful.  Ultimate pushed this series and this concept as far as it's probably ever going to go.  They won't be able to get away with doing less than Ultimate without doing significantly more of something else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 08, 2021, 11:51:00 pm
Fire Emblem if anything would take the biggest hit of reduction and reorganizing.  And Roy's kinda top of the chopping block list.  Regardless of being "our boy" or not in Smash, without series relevancy or a diverse movepool, he offers little in the grand scheme of the series that Marth does not already cover.  His inclusion after all was for nothing greater than the ease of marketing his upcoming new game.  Similar but to lesser extent to FemMarth and Chromebook because likewise their gameplay offers little new but their relevancy is intrusively linked to the series' survival, for better or worse.

Lucas is probably fine because Mother 3 is a Nintendo legend, despite how much Nintendo themselves probably want people to shut up about it already.  Mega Man I'd assume is assured because what else is Capcom doing with him beyond nostalgia appeal?  They will still make plenty use out of Rock and Roll and X and Zero, just probably not in their own new unique games.

I'm more curious about Banjo & Kazooie.  Because while Nintendo is on good terms negotiating with Microsoft/Rare, they both seem to have zero plans or intent going forward to even do anything with the bear and bird.  I don't know why in particular, Smash's advertisement of them was prime time to at least mull the idea over.  Maybe the Perfect Dark reboot is testing the waters for Rare at how successful they'd be getting others to continue their work after the Kinect era bled their talent dry?  But without something in the works, fanbase appeal over a lengthy period of time is just going to turn into resentment over their Smash inclusion not leading to something, anything after where Nuts & Bolts left off....what is it, 13 years ago now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 09, 2021, 12:48:45 am
Fire Emblem if anything would take the biggest hit of reduction and reorganizing.

Lucas is probably fine because Mother 3 is a Nintendo legend

Alright now I actually want a new Smash lol


Real talk though, with the Fire Emblem section... I think only Marth, Ike, and Robin would return. If they really wanted a female rep, just reduce Lucina to an alt for Marth and you're set. I don't see Corrin or Byleth returning, and Chrom and Roy... mm. If any of the echoes or semi-clones return, Roy would be the most likely to stay (as well as being the most likely to go if he does get cut).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 09, 2021, 01:29:16 am
As someone who hasn't played Three Houses, Byleth's inclusion in Ultimate was poorly timed and I have no interest myself in them but the intended attempt at addressing the Fire Emblem character template issue characters prior had was somewhat broached with them.  It kinda misses the origin of the whole issue to begin with, that the roster already in the game needs to be cut then look for reps that actually make use of the various weapons and roles of the series, but Byleth attempts to be an all-in-one that compensates on the lack of one character per skill set and just has them use all of them at once.  Well, not all of them, I don't see Byleth's Up+B being summoning a pegasus, but close enough.  Byleth I personally will likely never touch, but is of the more logical choices to stay.

From what I understand of it Byleth's gameplay isn't lore friendly to Three Houses anyways though, so eh.  Byleth doesn't get all the weapons from the other generals/commanders/teachers/whatever they are and is instead in the game all about future vision.  If anything Byleth probably should have had some of Shulk's moves.  But it's whatever at this point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on October 09, 2021, 01:43:02 am
byleth would be number 11 on my list of top 11 smash bros ultimate dlc trailers

number 1 would be terry bogard while kazuya is number 2
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 09, 2021, 01:54:16 am
I'll be real, I'm not at all expecting this or wanting this, but if somehow Sora ends up returning for another installment, I'll consider that a real achievement.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 09, 2021, 01:56:11 am
Considering that he was the most requested combatant, all parties would have to be crazy to not put him on the cover in the next Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 087-B on October 09, 2021, 01:59:23 am
Honestly Sora returning would really be some sort of feeling of renewed magic. His trailer was all about him reigniting the fires one last time for Smash as a whole, after all.

I suppose only time will tell. But either way, I'm content we got him at all. Still a legendary finale to the Smash Bros. series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 09, 2021, 05:08:31 am
Next Smash game should be a arena fighter;

And then every protagonist from previous arena fighters would be the guest DLCs - Edward Falcon from Power Stone, anyone from J-Stars/Jump Force, a Gundam from Gundam Extreme Vs., Shrek from Shrek Super Slam... ::)


This is the most accurate Fighters Pass 2 prediction you will ever see:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Man, this post aged well. Like a sweet, sweet bottle of milk after being exposed to a combo of supernovas. :pleased:

At least Arms got through the cracks.

Lol, not really;

This was made at the time Nintendo just announced that the 1st fighter would be someone from ARMS.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 09, 2021, 06:03:35 am
Next Smash game should be a arena fighter;
Heck no.
Smash will always be a platform fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 09, 2021, 10:41:30 am
Next Smash game should make it so that the only way to KO your opponent is to build up your meter so you can perform a Level 1, Level 2 or Level 3 super. I mean, just what could possibly go wrong, huh?

...what's that? Sony already did that? And it fucking sucked because of that? Figures...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 09, 2021, 04:40:18 pm
Next Smash game should have health bars and walls.

Stamina, what's that?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DauntlessMonk7 on October 09, 2021, 06:26:16 pm
In the next Smash game, I want to see them do more unique motions as they did with the newcomers in Ultimate (and Ryu in Smash 4),

Like Shield+B (Inkling), the characters with the special traditional fighting game moves (Ryu, Ken, Terry),
and all the additional directional inputs that Kazuya has.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 09, 2021, 08:11:59 pm
FE: Awakening has three total reps for whatever reason. Robin is great (in terms of being unique, at least), but Lucina by all means could just be an alt of Marth and Chrom I wouldn't miss; he's a clone of Roy, who is a clone of Marth.

The thing with Roy is that while his moveset is more or less the same as Marth's on paper, he's pure rushdown as opposed to zoner. In terms of gameplay diversity, he does actually offer something different, but ultimately he is a clone of Marth and likely wouldn't have seen any demand if he wasn't in Melee.

Byleth as a character is lame, but as a function, he/she stands out by representing the weapon triangle instead of just being another swordfighter.

If I had to cut them down, assuming a new FE character gets in...
Definites:
-Marth/Lucina
-Robin
-Byleth, but I really wish it wasn't Byleth with this moveset

Potentially:
-Ike
-Roy

No:
-Chrom
-Corrin
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 09, 2021, 08:28:09 pm
anyone know how much does it cost to get a private character from other games?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on October 09, 2021, 09:12:24 pm
Next Smash game should be a arena fighter;
Heck no.
Smash will always be a platform fighter.

But hear me out, bro...


3D Platforms!:flipout:



Next Smash game should have health bars and walls.

Stamina, what's that?
In the next Smash game, I want to see them do more unique motions as they did with the newcomers in Ultimate (and Ryu in Smash 4),

Like Shield+B (Inkling), the characters with the special traditional fighting game moves (Ryu, Ken, Terry),
and all the additional directional inputs that Kazuya has.

So a Smash game with more tie-ins to the traditional fighting games mechanics, hmmn...

...Alright, it settled then. Give Smash a little break:


The next big crossover event shall be called,

Nintendo Vs. Capcom! :c00l:

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on October 10, 2021, 12:05:11 am
No:
-Corrin
Ok, goes to show how little I pay attention to the series that I legit forgot Corrin was even in this game.  So yeah, Corrin I'd agree is keen to go before Roy.  Dunno if I agree with Chrom just because how much Awakening is the series savior, but likewise I would not bat an eye if he's gone next game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on October 10, 2021, 01:28:36 am
anyone know how much does it cost to get a private character from other games?

I'd imagine each company has their own terms on how much it costs to license a character to appear in Smash.  A lot smaller companies and indies would be more than happy to have their character get recognition in Smash.  Other like Sega, Capcom, and Namco Bandai who are on friendly terms with Nintendo probably wouldn't want to set their prices too high.  There's been all sorts of rumours floating around for how stingy Square Enix has been for Smash, who knows how much of that is true.  ...And then there's Disney.  Getting Sora in probably costed Nintendo a lot more than an arm and a leg.  They've been aware that he was the most requested character for six years, so I'd imagine a good amount of that time was spent negotiating terms with Disney.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on October 10, 2021, 03:06:49 am
Getting rid of Byleth but having Monster Hunter take over their schtick would be great. IMO Marth, Ike and Robin are the trinity.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on October 14, 2021, 05:47:34 am
i made a sorter with every smash character. someone already made one but it looked ugly
https://fanfictionimg.tumblr.com/smashsort

you can then combine your results with this crap and then post your trimmed roster. you'd have to add sora by yourself because whoever made the tier maker hasn't updated it. are you a bad enough dude to cut it down to 50? 40?
https://tiermaker.com/create/super-smash-bros-ultimate-renders-with-echos-combinable-1070092

Spoiler: mine (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on October 14, 2021, 06:26:04 am
I never really considered if Marth was less popular than Lucina. I think Marth still enjoys a good amount of popularity based on FE Heroes and his various appearances cross-series though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on October 14, 2021, 07:01:41 am
fire emblem heroes is one of the reasons i believe the other characters are just more popular. in the first "choose your legends" poll from 2017 he got 8th place overall (counting male and female characters, and combining votes for both marths). he never "won" the poll until this year, where he got a distant second place to a three houses meme character. he's prioritized for cross promotional stuff (like the dragalia lost crossover) but as far as i'm concerned he's a jobber. i picked lucina over him because i'm biased but it really should be ike (popularity) and byleth (cool moveset gimmick, three houses was popular) or robin (uses magic, popular game).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Umezono on October 14, 2021, 07:40:20 am
ike definitely the one who stands out the most to me as a genuinely great character who stood the test of time from his reveal to today. i think i would go ike, marth, robin if I had to choose 3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Titiln on October 14, 2021, 07:50:46 am
i think part of the reason fire emblem gets a bad rep in smash is that you've got marth and then ike and they're not clones but still have some similarities at a glance (blue haired guys with a sword, a neutral b sword attack that can be charged and a down b counter) so i'd cut one of them to make room for a character with even more differences in moveset and appearance (robin, byleth, even corrin). fire emblem's probably my favorite game series of all time but sacrifices would have to be made
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 14, 2021, 11:48:28 am
The sensible thing would be to have Marthina as alts like Wii Fit and Villager; that's how they were before Sakurai decided to make them separate characters. And yeah, a lot of FE's bad rep is that it has an oddly high percentage of characters with no real standout qualities, being tweaked Marths to varying degrees. Corrin is at least visually different, but is disliked in both Smash for being an advertisement and in Fates for being a terrible character. Couldn't even add an axe user, pftheh.

Exclusively Gen 1 representation, just as Game Freak would want :}
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 14, 2021, 02:46:15 pm

I know Sakurai himself almost did it multiple times before, but come on, man.
You can't just cut Jigglypuff from the roster. It's one of the Original 12. It has a legacy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Nemuresu on October 14, 2021, 09:20:51 pm
Spoiler: My personal takes on this trimming game (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on October 19, 2021, 03:32:48 pm
what are you impression about Sora´s gameplay? after trying his out,
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 19, 2021, 05:58:24 pm
what are you impression about Sora´s gameplay? after trying his out,

Sora can literally counter Banjo's Wonderwing: https://twitter.com/charmstwt/status/1450288164745187329
a normally fully invincible move that can normally only be countered by throws
...yeah, Sora is absolutely the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on October 19, 2021, 07:40:41 pm
what are you impression about Sora´s gameplay? after trying his out,

He's great.
Light but hits hard. So basically how he is in canon.
his Sonic Blade is super good as a attack and a recovery. His magic is a good opener.
Really impressed with him so far.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 19, 2021, 10:40:19 pm
what are you impression about Sora´s gameplay? after trying his out,

Sora can literally counter Banjo's Wonderwing: https://twitter.com/charmstwt/status/1450288164745187329
a normally fully invincible move that can normally only be countered by throws
...yeah, Sora is absolutely the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate
Sora can counter one specific move so that means he's as broken as Smash 4 Bayo.


Did you at all stop to think about what you were writing?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 19, 2021, 11:34:42 pm
what are you impression about Sora´s gameplay? after trying his out,

Sora can literally counter Banjo's Wonderwing: https://twitter.com/charmstwt/status/1450288164745187329
a normally fully invincible move that can normally only be countered by throws
...yeah, Sora is absolutely the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate
Sora can counter one specific move so that means he's as broken as Smash 4 Bayo.


Did you at all stop to think about what you were writing?

I never said that him being able to do that is the sole reason why he's as broken as Smash 4 Bayo.

Did you at all stop to think about not putting words into someone's mouth?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 20, 2021, 01:00:32 am
I never said that him being able to do that is the sole reason why he's as broken as Smash 4 Bayo.

Did you at all stop to think about not putting words into someone's mouth?
Sora can literally counter Banjo's Wonderwing: https://twitter.com/charmstwt/status/1450288164745187329
a normally fully invincible move that can normally only be countered by throws
...yeah, Sora is absolutely the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate

Tell me again, how am I putting words in your mouth when it's exactly what you said?

Did you at all stop to think about what you were writing?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 20, 2021, 01:11:16 am
I never said that him being able to do that is the sole reason why he's as broken as Smash 4 Bayo.

Did you at all stop to think about not putting words into someone's mouth?
Sora can literally counter Banjo's Wonderwing: https://twitter.com/charmstwt/status/1450288164745187329
a normally fully invincible move that can normally only be countered by throws
...yeah, Sora is absolutely the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate

Tell me again, how am I putting words in your mouth when it's exactly what you said?

Did you at all stop to think about what you were writing?

Except it's not exactly what I said.
I said that Sora can counter that move.
I said that Sora is the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate.
I never said that Sora is the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate solely because of him being able to counter that move.
So no, you absolutely were putting words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SquidlyPoli1 on October 20, 2021, 01:16:38 am
Except it's not exactly what I said.
I said that Sora can counter that move.
I said that Sora is the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate.
I never said that Sora is the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate solely because of him being able to counter that move.
So no, you absolutely were putting words in my mouth.

It's not so much about what you said as much as it is the way you're wording it. You don't give other reasons as to why Sora is as busted as he is, you only said that because he was able to counter Wonderwing.

While you said Wonderwing can be countered by throws, it also has a variety of other flaws, so saying that Sora is busted solely because he can counter it does not sound logical.
Unsafe on block, can be grabbed out of and a fair amount of end lag are not qualities I would call an incontestable move. A competent player would catch onto the move pretty fast if it's being abused and some of the more challenging AI will render it just as situational. There are a lot of specials which grant this kind of benefit and would give the player no real reason to use the move if it didn't have some added bonus that made it better than a generic special. Not to mention its damage in Smash is pretty damn high itself, so, 200 damage doesn't sound unreasonable when put into perspective of those factors.

[OP is] overselling Wonderwing. It's a newb buster, but an experience player would play that move like a fiddle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on October 20, 2021, 01:49:57 am
It was worded weirdly.  I immediately thought some insane Day 1 tech was found and a civil war had started between those that voted for Sora and those that want him banned like he's the second coming of Ivan Ooze.

In a way, his gameplay is a bit similar to Bayonetta.  Same special cancelling to improve recovery, same air combos that require just one tap and automatically pulls the opponent in, same combo game at low percent.  He's the better Bayo IMO where as the actual Bayo has a learning curve.


Also, I find it hilarious that Organization XIII is represented by a group of Robin clones.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on October 20, 2021, 02:25:35 am
Except it's not exactly what I said.
I said that Sora can counter that move.
I said that Sora is the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate.
I never said that Sora is the Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate solely because of him being able to counter that move.
So no, you absolutely were putting words in my mouth.

It's not so much about what you said as much as it is the way you're wording it. You don't give other reasons as to why Sora is as busted as he is, you only said that because he was able to counter Wonderwing.

Exactly this.
Not to mention that you have a history of playing the victim when you get called out
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 20, 2021, 06:16:28 pm
...alright, I'll admit, I could have worded this better, and for that, I'll apologize

What I was trying to say was not exactly that Sora is as broken in Ultimate as Bayo was in Smash 4 (I don't think we'd ever be able to even reach that level or brokenness ever again).
However, similarly to how Bayo in Smash 4 was compared to the other fighters, Sora in Ultimate is also exceptionally better in terms of combo play, aerial combat and counter options (like being able to counter Wonderwing despite not being a throw, for example) than the other fighters.

I hope now I was able to convey my message much better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: yaret on February 10, 2023, 03:05:09 pm
bumb.! developers creating their own mods means Smash ultimate is still alive.! so this is fantastic