If you skip the intro, the sound clip still plays.To prevent that, you should add a StopSND in State -2 or -3 with the trigger1 = RoundState != [0,1].The charge sound effect for the Hadoukens remains if Gouken gets hit.The LVL3 Shin Shoryuken can be ground-recovered.
Another thing I noticed: The alternate version of his Shin Shoryuken (the one without the full animation) is just a single hit attack that does very little damage. Maybe that was intentional, but it wasn't like that in SF4 and feels pretty underwhelming considering it's still a level 3 super.Oh, and no focus attack? Even without its original game mechanic (and command, obviously), it could still be a nice special similar to Ryu's donkey kick.
PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pmHe's pretty fun. I didn't really fire SF4 for comparisons so I'm going from memory and feel on some things here. Gouken was the only char I mained in SF4, not that I played it very long.- I think you should destroyself the angled Hadouken if it leaves the top of the screen, so he can fire another one- Too much startup on his overhead- Too little startup on far hard kick- Far light kick doesn't look like it should be rapid fire. Close could be, though- Fireball Clsn2's look mismatched with the sprites- On that note, the fireballs seem to linger for a few frames after being hit by other fireballs- He can dive kick from a back jump- Back throw should have more startup. It's how they balanced its uniqueness in SF4. I think the tech window was longer than normal too- I think missed throw attempts should have more recovery. I'm guilty of that too but at least I can blame SFA3- Normal fireballs seem very small spritewise- Kung Fu Man can crouch under Hadouken- EX Hadouken doesn't have the charging sound. On that not why not use Gouken's own? I think he had one at least- Tatsumaki spin sounds don't sound good. All versions. On a related note I don't know why people removed the shared channel in the "whiff" sounds- Neutral hop attacks should use the animation for angled jump attacks- Demon flip vels feel weird. Admittedly that may just be me. The throw follow-up definitely looks different, though- His regular and MAX supers are all very samey- Both MAX supers should have a bit more invulnerable frames- I miss his Shin Shoryuken hit sounds- EX Hadouken charge effect is smaller than the regular version- I think back throw should not have selectable direction. Doesn't feel right and it's confusing. I think P2 goes too high as well- I think full Denjin Hadouken would feel better if the wall bounce had the typical velocities- Denjin Hadouken (no charge) has too much startup. No need because it's not an ultra anymore- I think you should pack more damage in the first hit of Shoryuken so that cancelling it into Tatsumaki does more total damage- Related to the above, but MAX Shinkuu Tatsumaki needs to juggle better. He has no usable "Dream" cancels otherwise- Not your fault but close hard kick custom combo looks comical, hehe. Like Chun-Li's Hyakuretsu- Senkugoshoha looks weird because he only punches after losing all momentum- Shin Shoryuken should be unblockable after the freeze- I don't like that you made angled jumping MP juggle in tight combos but not in the combos where it's supposed toHope it helps.Holy moly! I was about to download the character but, maybe later when all this gets fixed.
Akito said, March 27, 2022, 11:47:00 pmThis version is much better coded than Varo_Hades and has updated Gouken sprites.still think comparing authors is disrespectful man. you're better than thatJust now realized the context, apologies.
aznpikachu215 said, March 27, 2022, 11:07:02 pmI wonder what'll the difference be of this version vs. Varo Hade's version.Charma has his own taste in fx and graphics things. He is very creative. Varo_hades is conventionally good tho. But charma likes to give a personal creative touch to his characters. (I love his AI coding too)
One more observation: I've previously mentioned that the horizontal fireballs don't get the dark swirl when they are fully charged. Well, turns out that, after you do (or even just attempt) his K throw, the dark swirl will be added to the horizontal fireball, but only to the EX version, and only if you don't do certain other attacks before that. Also, that dark swirl looks like it was meant for the diagonal fireballs.Also (and this is purely a tiny cosmetic thing), I think it would make sense for the charged fireballs to lose their dark swirls (if possible) whenever they keep flying after the first hit.
Diek Stiekem said, March 25, 2022, 07:48:22 pmThe only feedback I have is that he seems to have no voice clip upon (regular) K.O.DeathScythe said, March 25, 2022, 08:03:05 pm- He has no KO sound, as the sound is group 11 index 1, instead of 11, 0, and there is no code to activate it.Fixed. Thanks for feedback Diek Stiekem DeathScythe said, March 25, 2022, 08:03:05 pm- Sakotsu Wari is listed as F + b, while I think you meant F + y.- Tenmakujinkyaku is listed as DF + k, but I can do it with just D, and only with MK, not all kicks.- In the Move Details section, Tatsumaki Gorasen is listed as being both upper body invincible and fully invincible, I think you meant EX Tatsumaki Gorasen is fully invincible.Fixed.DeathScythe said, March 25, 2022, 08:03:05 pm- The AI will often charge Gohadouken when in a good distance from the opponent, and will not fire it until is too late, resulting in spamming projectiles being a cheap and easy way to win against him: https://streamable.com/gjvka7Fixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think you should destroyself the angled Hadouken if it leaves the top of the screen, so he can fire another oneFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Too much startup on his overheadOff the top of my head, both Gouken's and Ryu's overheads in SF4 are 17f. In CvS2, Ryu's overhead is 28f in Normal Speed, which should translate to about 21f in Turbo (the default and competitive setting of the game). Gouken's overhead matches that startup.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Too little startup on far hard kickI agree, his far heavy kick is now 2f slower.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Far light kick doesn't look like it should be rapid fire. Close could be, thoughFar Light Kick does rapid fire in USF4https://streamable.com/aommj4Close Light Kick doesn't.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Fireball Clsn2's look mismatched with the spritesFixedPotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- On that note, the fireballs seem to linger for a few frames after being hit by other fireballsIt might be because it causes more hitstun than a regular Hadoken. 2f to be precise. If it's more than 2f please let me know because I might not be reproducing the bug correctly.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- He can dive kick from a back jumpFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Back throw should have more startup. It's how they balanced its uniqueness in SF4. I think the tech window was longer than normal tooAgree, now its 2f slower and the tech window is 3 frames higher than the other.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think missed throw attempts should have more recovery. I'm guilty of that too but at least I can blame SFA3This is an oversight on my part, no throw should have just 8 frames of recovery. Fixed, it's 12f of recovery now. You will probably think its still too fast, but this a design choice I made to account for the system having wayyy too many defensive mechanics and not much to help you out to break defense (like guard crush).PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Normal fireballs seem very small spritewiseIts the same size as Shakunetsu which is similarly sized to regular Hadoken.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Kung Fu Man can crouch under HadoukenHis fireballs now hit Iori which has the the shortest crouching hurtbox in CvS2.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- EX Hadouken doesn't have the charging sound. On that not why not use Gouken's own? I think he had one at leastFixed and changed to Gouken's. PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Tatsumaki spin sounds don't sound good. All versions. On a related note I don't know why people removed the shared channel in the "whiff" soundsI can tell you why. When you use accurate animation and sound data for Tatsu, the gap between sounds is short enough for this to happen with shared channels:https://streamable.com/s7stjdPotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Neutral hop attacks should use the animation for angled jump attacksWe thought about it with Jmorphman but we didn't settle on this yet. Since the hops were made like CvS2, we kept the same rules as in that game. But I wouldn't be certain of this being final.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Demon flip vels feel weird. Admittedly that may just be me. The throw follow-up definitely looks different, thoughDemon flip movement comes directly from Gouki's demon flip in CvS2. The throw follow-up does looks weird but its hard to work with without doing actual Misogi.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- His regular and MAX supers are all very sameyI'm okay with that.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Both MAX supers should have a bit more invulnerable framesKinjite Shoryuken just has startup invincibility because Shin Shoryuken is meant to be one with longer invincibility.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I miss his Shin Shoryuken hit soundsThe USF4 ones?PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- EX Hadouken charge effect is smaller than the regular versionFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think back throw should not have selectable direction. Doesn't feel right and it's confusing. I think P2 goes too high as wellI agree with the direction thing, adjusted to that. Height is kept tho.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think full Denjin Hadouken would feel better if the wall bounce had the typical velocitiesPotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Denjin Hadouken (no charge) has too much startup. No need because it's not an ultra anymoreYeah, I agree. It didn't work visually either. Buffed the fuck out of Denjin Hadoken in this patch.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think you should pack more damage in the first hit of Shoryuken so that cancelling it into Tatsumaki does more total damageHmmm, I'd have to buff the damage of the entire move because I want to keep the air hits at 14 each (the equivalent to 200 damage on CvS2)PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Related to the above, but MAX Shinkuu Tatsumaki needs to juggle better. He has no usable "Dream" cancels otherwiseYeah, it was source accurate up until now, but I'm definitely improving its juggles. It won't mean Gouken has usable MAX cancels tho, as the dampener makes it so its never worth doing Kinjite->Shinku Tatsumaki over Denjin or ShinSho (and I'm ok with that, I want for Gouken's lv.3s to be the money makers).PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Senkugoshoha looks weird because he only punches after losing all momentumI tweaked the movement on this one a bit.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Shin Shoryuken should be unblockable after the freezeFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I don't like that you made angled jumping MP juggle in tight combos but not in the combos where it's supposed toAddressed on Discord already but it's working as it should:https://streamable.com/b0l6auThanks for the feedback! Having the input from a Gouken main is really helpful. USF4 is a poorly documented game because of its brief competitive life. Most of the stuff online is about SSF4AE Gouken, which still holds up but it doesn't paint the full picture. I had to learn him with my sparring partner almost from scratch, and as much as I lab there's stuff that can only be felt by someone who mains the character.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- Various hitboxes like those of the high Hadoukens and EX Tatsumaki Gorasen are too thin and whiff on certain characters if their hurtboxes are too small.Heavy Gohadoken is meant to whiff against almost all standing opponents, it's clearly an anti-air. Medium Gohadoken should whiff against crouching opponents and short characters too. EX Tatsu Goraen I'm not sure why would it give any issues over regular one, as it has the same hitboxes.Against which characters does this happen?RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- The Fully Charged Diagonal Hadoukens lack some transparency.Fixed.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- The EX Flash Sound cuts off for EX Hyakkishu's followups.Fixed.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- Hyakki Gosai doesn't do real damage (only 7 per hit).Fixed.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- EX Kongoshin could do with a tad more damage.It does the same damage in source.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- Why not give Shinkuu Tatsumaki a voice clip? He does already have a Tatsumaki Senpukyaku voice at the ready.Fixed.Thanks for the feedback, Rowen!Lurker said, March 25, 2022, 11:02:59 pm- The wind effect on his fully charged hadoken is so subtle that I can't notice, however the upwards versions lacks transparency.Other than that people already pointed some other things that I noticed.Fixed.Lurker said, March 26, 2022, 01:39:55 am+ I just noticed a wrong color In his stance animation, it's between his belt and top gi, it's noticeable with his alternate palettes.There's a bunch of black dots across the entire set. Maybe in the future Ben or someone else will fix that.Thanks for the feedback, Lurker!ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-I don't like the idea of having a 2nd hitbox near his legs on his standing, crouching and get hits as certain moves can hit certain places where it shouldn't.Gouken is meant to be chunkier and vulnerable to crossups, that's by design.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-His taunt doesn't have a landing effect and envshake when he stomps the ground like Senkugoshoha.Added. Still unsure about the EnvShake tho, it may prove to be a bit too disruptive. I may removed it in the future.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-Raikotokyaku uses a normal ground shockwave instead of a strong one when he slams the opponent to the ground and has a strong punch hit sound when there was no hitspark.As weird as it is sometimes, this is by design. Check out Jman's Kyo kick throw, its sounds and visuals are the same. Its because we're doing it the way CvS2 layers sounds, which works better with CvS sounds than CFJ sounds.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-The projectile hit sound will still play one tick after if it was parried.This is unavoidable according to Jmorphman.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-The swing sound on Hyakki Gojin cuts off when he touches the ground.Fixed.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-Kongoshin doesn't have a voice clip when countering.Fixed.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-The EX sound on EX Kongoshin cuts off when he successfully counters an attack.Fixed.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-On EX Tatsumaki Senpukyaku, he moves so fast when you press forward, but so slow when press backwards (The speed should be even for both directions).This is actually intended, check this out:https://streamable.com/036wkp1st is neutral, 2nd is pressing back, 3rd is pressing forwards.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-If you managed to get the back leg of EX Tatsumaki Senpukyaku to connect, a hit sound will be heard, but no hitspark or guard spark will appear.Fixed.Thanks for the feedback, ZolidSone! You always get stuff that otherwise wouldn't come up.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amAdmittedly, it's been a while since I've played Gouken in SF4, but the damage of his demon flip grab doesn't seem right, as it barely does any.Fixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amHis crouching MK barely has any reach at all. I know it wasn't great in SF4, either, but it seems kind of exaggerated here.This is intended. Both of his crouching mediums are awful pokes, but its compensated by him having really good range on crouching light kick and a savage sweep.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amHe's also missing a few sprites, or rather, he sometimes transforms into Ryu. This can be seen when he's thrown by another Gouken's P throw.Fixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amHis fully charged LP hadoken also doesn't have the darker swirl around it. This is also true for the horizontal EX hadoken.Fixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amEdit: He could also need some adjustments to his width during some of his attacks (like his close MK or close HK): https://streamable.com/f0mxdqFixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:34:18 pmAnother thing I noticed: The alternate version of his Shin Shoryuken (the one without the full animation) is just a single hit attack that does very little damage. Maybe that was intentional, but it wasn't like that in SF4 and feels pretty underwhelming considering it's still a level 3 super.This is actually because the move is functionally inspired by CvS2 Shin Shoryuken (and visually inspired by SF3 Shin Shoryuken). But I made the changes anyway, it felt underwhelming upon whiffing indeed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:34:18 pmOh, and no focus attack? Even without its original game mechanic (and command, obviously), it could still be a nice special similar to Ryu's donkey kick.FADC was actually planned! EX Donkey Kick was part of the original moveset and specials moves would have been cancelable into it. But his corner juggles were getting wayyy too out of hand, so I had to cut it. I do have plans to bring it back for Shin Gouken in the future, though Thanks for the feedback! AlexSin said, March 26, 2022, 06:01:26 pmIf you skip the intro, the sound clip still plays.To prevent that, you should add a StopSND in State -2 or -3 with the trigger1 = RoundState != [0,1].Fixed.AlexSin said, March 26, 2022, 06:01:26 pmThe charge sound effect for the Hadoukens remains if Gouken gets hit.Fixed.AlexSin said, March 26, 2022, 06:01:26 pmThe LVL3 Shin Shoryuken can be ground-recovered.Fixed.Thanks you so much for the feedback, Alex! Thanks to everyone for the support and the kind words Gouken was updated.Diek Stiekem said, March 25, 2022, 07:48:22 pmThe only feedback I have is that he seems to have no voice clip upon (regular) K.O.DeathScythe said, March 25, 2022, 08:03:05 pm- He has no KO sound, as the sound is group 11 index 1, instead of 11, 0, and there is no code to activate it.Fixed. Thanks for feedback Diek Stiekem DeathScythe said, March 25, 2022, 08:03:05 pm- Sakotsu Wari is listed as F + b, while I think you meant F + y.- Tenmakujinkyaku is listed as DF + k, but I can do it with just D, and only with MK, not all kicks.- In the Move Details section, Tatsumaki Gorasen is listed as being both upper body invincible and fully invincible, I think you meant EX Tatsumaki Gorasen is fully invincible.Fixed.DeathScythe said, March 25, 2022, 08:03:05 pm- The AI will often charge Gohadouken when in a good distance from the opponent, and will not fire it until is too late, resulting in spamming projectiles being a cheap and easy way to win against him: https://streamable.com/gjvka7Fixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think you should destroyself the angled Hadouken if it leaves the top of the screen, so he can fire another oneFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Too much startup on his overheadOff the top of my head, both Gouken's and Ryu's overheads in SF4 are 17f. In CvS2, Ryu's overhead is 28f in Normal Speed, which should translate to about 21f in Turbo (the default and competitive setting of the game). Gouken's overhead matches that startup.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Too little startup on far hard kickI agree, his far heavy kick is now 2f slower.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Far light kick doesn't look like it should be rapid fire. Close could be, thoughFar Light Kick does rapid fire in USF4https://streamable.com/aommj4Close Light Kick doesn't.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Fireball Clsn2's look mismatched with the spritesFixedPotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- On that note, the fireballs seem to linger for a few frames after being hit by other fireballsIt might be because it causes more hitstun than a regular Hadoken. 2f to be precise. If it's more than 2f please let me know because I might not be reproducing the bug correctly.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- He can dive kick from a back jumpFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Back throw should have more startup. It's how they balanced its uniqueness in SF4. I think the tech window was longer than normal tooAgree, now its 2f slower and the tech window is 3 frames higher than the other.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think missed throw attempts should have more recovery. I'm guilty of that too but at least I can blame SFA3This is an oversight on my part, no throw should have just 8 frames of recovery. Fixed, it's 12f of recovery now. You will probably think its still too fast, but this a design choice I made to account for the system having wayyy too many defensive mechanics and not much to help you out to break defense (like guard crush).PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Normal fireballs seem very small spritewiseIts the same size as Shakunetsu which is similarly sized to regular Hadoken.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Kung Fu Man can crouch under HadoukenHis fireballs now hit Iori which has the the shortest crouching hurtbox in CvS2.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- EX Hadouken doesn't have the charging sound. On that not why not use Gouken's own? I think he had one at leastFixed and changed to Gouken's. PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Tatsumaki spin sounds don't sound good. All versions. On a related note I don't know why people removed the shared channel in the "whiff" soundsI can tell you why. When you use accurate animation and sound data for Tatsu, the gap between sounds is short enough for this to happen with shared channels:https://streamable.com/s7stjdPotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Neutral hop attacks should use the animation for angled jump attacksWe thought about it with Jmorphman but we didn't settle on this yet. Since the hops were made like CvS2, we kept the same rules as in that game. But I wouldn't be certain of this being final.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Demon flip vels feel weird. Admittedly that may just be me. The throw follow-up definitely looks different, thoughDemon flip movement comes directly from Gouki's demon flip in CvS2. The throw follow-up does looks weird but its hard to work with without doing actual Misogi.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- His regular and MAX supers are all very sameyI'm okay with that.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Both MAX supers should have a bit more invulnerable framesKinjite Shoryuken just has startup invincibility because Shin Shoryuken is meant to be one with longer invincibility.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I miss his Shin Shoryuken hit soundsThe USF4 ones?PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- EX Hadouken charge effect is smaller than the regular versionFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think back throw should not have selectable direction. Doesn't feel right and it's confusing. I think P2 goes too high as wellI agree with the direction thing, adjusted to that. Height is kept tho.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think full Denjin Hadouken would feel better if the wall bounce had the typical velocitiesPotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Denjin Hadouken (no charge) has too much startup. No need because it's not an ultra anymoreYeah, I agree. It didn't work visually either. Buffed the fuck out of Denjin Hadoken in this patch.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I think you should pack more damage in the first hit of Shoryuken so that cancelling it into Tatsumaki does more total damageHmmm, I'd have to buff the damage of the entire move because I want to keep the air hits at 14 each (the equivalent to 200 damage on CvS2)PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Related to the above, but MAX Shinkuu Tatsumaki needs to juggle better. He has no usable "Dream" cancels otherwiseYeah, it was source accurate up until now, but I'm definitely improving its juggles. It won't mean Gouken has usable MAX cancels tho, as the dampener makes it so its never worth doing Kinjite->Shinku Tatsumaki over Denjin or ShinSho (and I'm ok with that, I want for Gouken's lv.3s to be the money makers).PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Senkugoshoha looks weird because he only punches after losing all momentumI tweaked the movement on this one a bit.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Shin Shoryuken should be unblockable after the freezeFixed.PotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I don't like that you made angled jumping MP juggle in tight combos but not in the combos where it's supposed toAddressed on Discord already but it's working as it should:https://streamable.com/b0l6auThanks for the feedback! Having the input from a Gouken main is really helpful. USF4 is a poorly documented game because of its brief competitive life. Most of the stuff online is about SSF4AE Gouken, which still holds up but it doesn't paint the full picture. I had to learn him with my sparring partner almost from scratch, and as much as I lab there's stuff that can only be felt by someone who mains the character.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- Various hitboxes like those of the high Hadoukens and EX Tatsumaki Gorasen are too thin and whiff on certain characters if their hurtboxes are too small.Heavy Gohadoken is meant to whiff against almost all standing opponents, it's clearly an anti-air. Medium Gohadoken should whiff against crouching opponents and short characters too. EX Tatsu Goraen I'm not sure why would it give any issues over regular one, as it has the same hitboxes.Against which characters does this happen?RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- The Fully Charged Diagonal Hadoukens lack some transparency.Fixed.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- The EX Flash Sound cuts off for EX Hyakkishu's followups.Fixed.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- Hyakki Gosai doesn't do real damage (only 7 per hit).Fixed.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- EX Kongoshin could do with a tad more damage.It does the same damage in source.RagingRowen said, March 25, 2022, 10:18:45 pm- Why not give Shinkuu Tatsumaki a voice clip? He does already have a Tatsumaki Senpukyaku voice at the ready.Fixed.Thanks for the feedback, Rowen!Lurker said, March 25, 2022, 11:02:59 pm- The wind effect on his fully charged hadoken is so subtle that I can't notice, however the upwards versions lacks transparency.Other than that people already pointed some other things that I noticed.Fixed.Lurker said, March 26, 2022, 01:39:55 am+ I just noticed a wrong color In his stance animation, it's between his belt and top gi, it's noticeable with his alternate palettes.There's a bunch of black dots across the entire set. Maybe in the future Ben or someone else will fix that.Thanks for the feedback, Lurker!ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-I don't like the idea of having a 2nd hitbox near his legs on his standing, crouching and get hits as certain moves can hit certain places where it shouldn't.Gouken is meant to be chunkier and vulnerable to crossups, that's by design.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-His taunt doesn't have a landing effect and envshake when he stomps the ground like Senkugoshoha.Added. Still unsure about the EnvShake tho, it may prove to be a bit too disruptive. I may removed it in the future.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-Raikotokyaku uses a normal ground shockwave instead of a strong one when he slams the opponent to the ground and has a strong punch hit sound when there was no hitspark.As weird as it is sometimes, this is by design. Check out Jman's Kyo kick throw, its sounds and visuals are the same. Its because we're doing it the way CvS2 layers sounds, which works better with CvS sounds than CFJ sounds.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-The projectile hit sound will still play one tick after if it was parried.This is unavoidable according to Jmorphman.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-The swing sound on Hyakki Gojin cuts off when he touches the ground.Fixed.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-Kongoshin doesn't have a voice clip when countering.Fixed.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-The EX sound on EX Kongoshin cuts off when he successfully counters an attack.Fixed.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-On EX Tatsumaki Senpukyaku, he moves so fast when you press forward, but so slow when press backwards (The speed should be even for both directions).This is actually intended, check this out:https://streamable.com/036wkp1st is neutral, 2nd is pressing back, 3rd is pressing forwards.ZolidSone said, March 26, 2022, 12:27:56 am-If you managed to get the back leg of EX Tatsumaki Senpukyaku to connect, a hit sound will be heard, but no hitspark or guard spark will appear.Fixed.Thanks for the feedback, ZolidSone! You always get stuff that otherwise wouldn't come up.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amAdmittedly, it's been a while since I've played Gouken in SF4, but the damage of his demon flip grab doesn't seem right, as it barely does any.Fixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amHis crouching MK barely has any reach at all. I know it wasn't great in SF4, either, but it seems kind of exaggerated here.This is intended. Both of his crouching mediums are awful pokes, but its compensated by him having really good range on crouching light kick and a savage sweep.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amHe's also missing a few sprites, or rather, he sometimes transforms into Ryu. This can be seen when he's thrown by another Gouken's P throw.Fixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amHis fully charged LP hadoken also doesn't have the darker swirl around it. This is also true for the horizontal EX hadoken.Fixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:04:50 amEdit: He could also need some adjustments to his width during some of his attacks (like his close MK or close HK): https://streamable.com/f0mxdqFixed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:34:18 pmAnother thing I noticed: The alternate version of his Shin Shoryuken (the one without the full animation) is just a single hit attack that does very little damage. Maybe that was intentional, but it wasn't like that in SF4 and feels pretty underwhelming considering it's still a level 3 super.This is actually because the move is functionally inspired by CvS2 Shin Shoryuken (and visually inspired by SF3 Shin Shoryuken). But I made the changes anyway, it felt underwhelming upon whiffing indeed.Toni said, March 26, 2022, 06:34:18 pmOh, and no focus attack? Even without its original game mechanic (and command, obviously), it could still be a nice special similar to Ryu's donkey kick.FADC was actually planned! EX Donkey Kick was part of the original moveset and specials moves would have been cancelable into it. But his corner juggles were getting wayyy too out of hand, so I had to cut it. I do have plans to bring it back for Shin Gouken in the future, though Thanks for the feedback! AlexSin said, March 26, 2022, 06:01:26 pmIf you skip the intro, the sound clip still plays.To prevent that, you should add a StopSND in State -2 or -3 with the trigger1 = RoundState != [0,1].Fixed.AlexSin said, March 26, 2022, 06:01:26 pmThe charge sound effect for the Hadoukens remains if Gouken gets hit.Fixed.AlexSin said, March 26, 2022, 06:01:26 pmThe LVL3 Shin Shoryuken can be ground-recovered.Fixed.Thanks you so much for the feedback, Alex! Thanks to everyone for the support and the kind words and videos Gouken was updated.Spoiler: Changelog (click to see content)<v.02/04/2022> - Command and detail notations were fixed in the ReadMe. - Fixed a visual bug where Gouken would use placeholder sprites for some gethit animations. - Fixed a bug where he wouldn't play the K.O. voice sample upon being knocked out. - Echo added to both of the K.O. voice samples. - Fixed a bug where the intro sound clip wouldn't stop upon skipping the intro. - Added a landing effect and enviroment shake to his Taunt. - Added width to close Medium Kick and close Heavy Kick. - Added 2f startup on Far Heavy Kick. - Fixed a bug where could do Dive Kick from a back jump. - Raikotokyaku and Amaoroshi have longer recovery. - Amaoroshi has longer startup, longer tech window, and can't be directioned forwards. - Gohadoken hitboxes were adjusted to to match the visual effect better. - Gohadoken charging sound was changed. - Gohadoken's whirlwind effect now dissapears upon clashing with another projectile. - Fixed a visual bug regarding Charged Gohadoken's whirlwind effect on WinMugen and M.U.G.E.N. 1.0. - Fixed a bug where the charge sound effect for Gohadoken wouldn't stop upon getting interrupted. - Light Gohadoken is fired from a lower position to avoid whiffs on short characters. - Vertical Gohadoken now vanishes faster uppon reaching the top of the screen. - Fixed a bug where EX Gohadoken charging visual effect was smaller than usual. - Fixed a bug where EX Gohadoken wouldn't play a charging sound. - Tweaked movement on target's Tatsumaki Gorasen. - Fixed a bug where EX Tatsumaki Senpukyaku would not pop a hitspark or guardspark. - Tweaked movement on Senkugoshoha. - Fixed a bug where Hiakki Gosai would do the minimum damage. - Fixed a bug where Hyakki Gojin sound effect would cut off upon landing. - Fixed a bug where the EX sound of Hyakkishu would cut during the followups. - Added a voice clip to Kongoshin upon countering a move. - Fixed a bug where the EX sound of Kongoshin would cut upon countering a move. - Fixed a bug where opponents would be able tech out of Kinjite Shoryuken and Shin Shoryuken. - Fixed a bug where Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku wouldn't play a voice sample. - Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku now juggles airborne opponents for more hits. - MAX Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku now juggles airborne opponents better. - Shin Shoryuken is now more damaging. - Shin Shoryuken is now unblockable after the freeze. - Shin Shoryuken now hits the opponent multiple times upon whiffing the first hit. - Denjin Hadoken now has shorter startup and launches the opponent further into the corner. - AI was improved.
KarmaCharmeleon said, April 01, 2022, 10:39:52 pmThanks to everyone for the support and the kind words and videosNo problem Karma.KarmaCharmeleon said, April 01, 2022, 10:39:52 pm - Fixed a bug where he wouldn't play the K.O. voice sample upon being knocked out.For some reason, when I defeat Gouken, his KO voice still doesn't play.Preview: (on the video, yes, I'm using the updated version)
Jotaro_Joestar said, April 01, 2022, 10:59:13 pmKarmaCharmeleon said, April 01, 2022, 10:39:52 pmThanks to everyone for the support and the kind words and videosNo problem Karma.KarmaCharmeleon said, April 01, 2022, 10:39:52 pm - Fixed a bug where he wouldn't play the K.O. voice sample upon being knocked out.For some reason, when I defeat Gouken, his KO voice still doesn't play.Preview: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgC2KKrniC8[/youtube] (on the video, yes, I'm using the updated version)Quickly addressed, please download and sorry for the trouble it seems i randomly changed the address of the sound.
QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Too much startup on his overheadOff the top of my head, both Gouken's and Ryu's overheads in SF4 are 17f. In CvS2, Ryu's overhead is 28f in Normal Speed, which should translate to about 21f in Turbo (the default and competitive setting of the game). Gouken's overhead matches that startup.Ah. That makes sense even if I don't like it. QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Far light kick doesn't look like it should be rapid fire. Close could be, thoughFar Light Kick does rapid fire in USF4https://streamable.com/aommj4Close Light Kick doesn't.Yeah, I confirmed in the wiki before commenting but said it anyway because of how the animations look. I understand that you'd prefer keeping it true to SF4, though. QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- On that note, the fireballs seem to linger for a few frames after being hit by other fireballsIt might be because it causes more hitstun than a regular Hadoken. 2f to be precise. If it's more than 2f please let me know because I might not be reproducing the bug correctly.It's not noticeable in a mirror match because both fireballs will have the same animation timing, but if you put him against a different character (did not just test this against mine), fire fireballs at each other and then pause and frame advance, you will see that Gouken's fireball will pause a few frames before going into state 1006.QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Normal fireballs seem very small spritewiseIts the same size as Shakunetsu which is similarly sized to regular Hadoken.I think the problem was they look smaller in some palettes than others because of the gradient. Not a big deal, though.QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I miss his Shin Shoryuken hit soundsThe USF4 ones?Yep.QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- Related to the above, but MAX Shinkuu Tatsumaki needs to juggle better. He has no usable "Dream" cancels otherwiseYeah, it was source accurate up until now, but I'm definitely improving its juggles. It won't mean Gouken has usable MAX cancels tho, as the dampener makes it so its never worth doing Kinjite->Shinku Tatsumaki over Denjin or ShinSho (and I'm ok with that, I want for Gouken's lv.3s to be the money makers).After saying that I realized that another way of doing it would be making the first hit of Shoryuken not knock down.QuotePotS said, March 25, 2022, 09:42:30 pm- I don't like that you made angled jumping MP juggle in tight combos but not in the combos where it's supposed toAddressed on Discord already but it's working as it should:https://streamable.com/b0l6auYeah that was wishful thinking on my part. I still think more moves should juggle after the 2 hit version though, like EX Tatsumaki.QuoteHaving the input from a Gouken main is really helpful.Well it's not worth much to be honest, because I played it for a short period, and it was the vanilla version. At the time I only cared about GGPO JoJo.
I'm not sure if the swirl for the charged Hadoken is completely gone or or just made super subtle. Based on the changelog, I'd guess it's the latter, but I don't see it anymore at all.Other than that, this is a very good update. Edit: Oh, one more thing regarding his Hadoken: In a mirror match, when an uncharged Hadoken hits a charged one, both get destroyed.