The Mugen Fighters Guild - Random Topic V10

Jmorphman

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#361 July 26, 2016, 10:20:03 pm

If you’re gonna reach for a star...
reach for the lowest one you can.

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

OZ

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#362 July 26, 2016, 10:24:26 pm

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i'm just glad that hunter s. thompson didn't live to see this

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Person Man

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#363 July 26, 2016, 10:28:35 pm

This is going to be very entertaining.

Jmorphman said, July 26, 2016, 10:20:03 pm

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

I still say we should adopt the Douglas Adams model of government, where anyone who expresses any interest in obtaining political power should be banned from ever actually having any. Give full executive power to one random hermit who doesn't know he's in charge, and just ask his opinions on things every so often.

Jango

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#364 July 26, 2016, 10:30:38 pm

Double-Crosser
I'm not standing out. This isn't weird at all.

He probably followed Nixon into whatever afterlife he got and is asking him what he thinks about Trump.

@Jmorphman: So what of Trump backing the gay community and the many gays that support him?

I'm not saying he's a saint, but... what Oz said.

Jmorphman

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#365 July 26, 2016, 10:37:46 pm

If you’re gonna reach for a star...
reach for the lowest one you can.

The idea that Trump is the best candidate for LGBTQ issues is a fucking farce. He is literally running on the most homophobic party platform in American political history. For fuck's sake, it endorses conversion therapy.

That Trump is more even-keeled on LGBTQ issues than most Republicans is not particularly persuasive nor impressive.

OZ

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#366 July 26, 2016, 10:52:08 pm

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trump was a financial backer of clinton personally through the 2000's
at the same time he was making substantial donations to the dnc and the clinton foundation

the hideous truth is that i honestly don't think it will make a difference at all who wins
there is undoubtedly a larger agenda at work, one that is controlled by business interests
and it seems to me that trump and clinton are obviously on the same side in this agenda

how can we in good conscience vote in this election?

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Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 12:36:55 am by OZ

Negi Springfield

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#367 July 26, 2016, 10:53:19 pm

Sunglasses at night

Bernie Sanders was our best hope. I say let it burn. Vote Trump.

"Bad News" Hoffmann

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#368 July 26, 2016, 11:01:19 pm

As a German who grew up with a system that has multiple big political partys it was always weird for me to understand how a democracy can work if there are only the Republicans and the Democrats.

Here we have the conservative party called the CDU (ChristDemocraticUnion) the Social Democrats (SPD), the Green Party that represents green and partially left positions, the liberals (FDP) since around a decade the Left Party (Die Linke) and also smaller partys like The Pirates, the Alternative for Germany (AFD) that drives an Anti EU course and like 20-40 super small parties including the brown scum /Nazis with their 1-2 % and yup..also a small party for old people and another one for animals.

In the Bundestag, our Cabinet we have a great coalition currently between the CDU and the SPD but often enough the oppositions the important to decide laws etc as well.

It looks like you have a choice between the Plague and Cancer right now and more alternatives are really needed. It is sad that many of you can't vote for Sander sor have another choice than Trump and Hillary.

JustNoPoint

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#369 July 26, 2016, 11:16:31 pm

I'm voting Jill Stein because I can only hope enough votes can go to a third party so they can be funded and talk at debates come the next election. Since Trump and Clinton are both about as bad for the reasons mentioned I don't care which one ruins the US. I can't figure out who is the lesser evil so I can't vote for either. I'd rather throw my vote away for 3rd party than not vote.

Byakko

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#370 July 26, 2016, 11:20:05 pm

Hoffmann said, July 26, 2016, 11:01:19 pm

As a German who grew up with a system that has multiple big political partys it was always weird for me to understand how a democracy can work if there are only the Republicans and the Democrats.

There are also multiple parties over here, but most of them count for shit, and back in 2002 when most of the left was in countless pieces with countless parties, the far right did its best score ever on the first turn, kicking out the left from the second turn. Since then, everyone got scared shitless, and it's mostly just the big two - socialists and republicans, trying to shove the far right out (it keeps coming back). That's just how it can get to just two big parties : when there are too many, there's one party that you can be 100% certain will never fragment, it's the far right. And when everyone else does shit score, the far right is the only one left doing a big score among those who still bother to vote (who are also those who will always come back to vote for the far right no matter what). Two big parties is just the most widespread way to avoid that.
Having three parties always seems hard, either the third party is the far right, or it's something that doesn't get enough vote to matter. I suppose Germany lucked out of that by banning everything that's potentially linked to Nazism right off the bat, cutting down at the root a lot of power from your far right, maybe ?

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Last Edit: July 26, 2016, 11:23:25 pm by Byakko

Jmorphman

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#371 July 26, 2016, 11:41:04 pm

If you’re gonna reach for a star...
reach for the lowest one you can.

Just No Point said, July 26, 2016, 11:16:31 pm

I'm voting Jill Stein because I can only hope enough votes can go to a third party so they can be funded and talk at debates come the next election. Since Trump and Clinton are both about as bad for the reasons mentioned I don't care which one ruins the US. I can't figure out who is the lesser evil so I can't vote for either. I'd rather throw my vote away for 3rd party than not vote.

I would love there to be a strong progressive party, but the Green Party ain't that. Aside from their idiotic support of anti-GMO, anti-vaxxers, and homeopathy, they're a pathetic shamble that chooses to spend nearly all of their time and money on trying to get a candidate on presidential ballots across the country (they always fail to get on the ballots in every 50 states, which even the Libertarians can manage) when they should be focusing exclusively on down-ballot races, from Congress all the way down to school boards. That's where the real change will come, that's how you build a movement, not by offering up a protest candidate who'll never ever ever get more than 5% of the vote.

Third parties will never become viable at the presidential level until we get rid of first-past-the-post voting. And that sadly doesn't seem like it's going away any time soon.

JustNoPoint

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#372 July 27, 2016, 12:08:10 am

I looked to see her stance on vaccines and science stuff before you said that I hadn't seen anything crazy.

Luckily she doesn't seem to have crazy ideas on those subjects.
The libertarian Gary Johnson doesn't seem as progressive as her but I'd rather he get my vote than either of the main 2. I refuse to vote for either Trump or Clinton but I still want to vote. You have any better alternatives that I can look into?

Titiln

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#373 July 27, 2016, 12:10:19 am

maybe throw your vote to a third party. they're clearly not going to win, but if their numbers increase each year they'll eventually seem viable

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Jmorphman

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#374 July 27, 2016, 12:17:58 am

If you’re gonna reach for a star...
reach for the lowest one you can.

Just No Point said, July 27, 2016, 12:08:10 am

I looked to see her stance on vaccines and science stuff before you said that I hadn't seen anything crazy.

She's a medical doctor so she's not completely insane about that kinda stuff. But the general party and its platform does love to stick its head in the sand hold some really awful, anti-science views.

Just No Point said, July 27, 2016, 12:08:10 am

The libertarian Gary Johnson doesn't seem as progressive as her but I'd rather he get my vote than either of the main 2. I refuse to vote for either Trump or Clinton but I still want to vote. You have any better alternatives that I can look into?

Well, there aren't really any options besides those four; they're the only ones who will appear on every ballot across the country (the Green's are technically not every ballot because they're not particularly competent).

Some states might sometimes have another candidate on their ballots, but those people are unlikely to appear anywhere else.

Foobs

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#375 July 27, 2016, 12:30:22 am

90's Kawaii
:thinking:

The greens also believe slavery reparations are a viable political move.

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they always fail to get on the ballots in every 50 states, which even the Libertarians can manage

Pretty sad they can't even compete with the party that accepts bitcoin and silver donations.

Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 12:34:41 am by Brave li'l Fubs

Bastard Mami

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#376 July 27, 2016, 01:21:59 am

Jmorphman said, July 26, 2016, 10:13:59 pm

This idea that Trump will be harmless because Congress won't approve of any of his plans is nuts.

thanks, while there are some thigns the congress won't aprove (lol N billion dollars wall), thinking that the right will somehow do nothing or that trump will be leading them to a standstill is pretty weird, it seems to come from teh same people that said that trumpt could never become a candidate.

J.A.N.G.O. said, July 26, 2016, 10:30:38 pm

@Jmorphman: So what of Trump backing the gay community and the many gays that support him?

that's the same as trump being openly racist to mexicans yet celebrating may 5th.

Byakko said, July 26, 2016, 11:20:05 pm

Having three parties always seems hard, either the third party is the far right, or it's something that doesn't get enough vote to matter.

a centrist party that somehow adapts to the current world situation adn does damage control from the dumb stuff the left and the right do ?

Byakko

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#377 July 27, 2016, 01:48:18 am

Bastard Mami said, July 27, 2016, 01:21:59 am

a centrist party that somehow adapts to the current world situation adn does damage control from the dumb stuff the left and the right do ?

We have one like that. It almost became important a couple elections ago, kind of like Bernie Sanders, but then it did absolutely nothing (no idea why) and practically vanished from anything relevant. A party like that would need someone with a strong leadership and the drive to actually do something and make suggestions, but then again, if either the left or the right had someone like that who knows what he's doing, there would be no need for a third party in the first place. At this point, having more parties is just splitting votes further and leaving a chance for the far right, as long as there isn't one single person (or two, or ten) with enough leadership and level-headed enough, in any of the existing parties. We only have the corrupt and the inept, kind of like the US (we tried the corrupt one and then the inept one, no luck).

If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 01:53:03 am by Byakko

-Whiplash-

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#378 July 27, 2016, 02:13:42 am

Prince of Latis
Destroy the Core!

You could always move to Canada where we (including myself) have recently elected current year man.

I hear that's becoming a popular choice.

Santtu

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#379 July 27, 2016, 02:23:21 am

üks kurb olend

OZ said, July 26, 2016, 10:52:08 pm

trump was a financial backer of clinton personally through the 2000's
at the same time he was making substantial donations to the dnc and the clinton foundation

the hideous truth is that i honestly don't think it will make a difference at all who wins
there is undoubtedly a larger agenda at work, one that is controlled by business interests
and it seems to me that trump and clinton are obviously on the same side in this agenda

how can we in good conscience vote in this election?

conscious dreamers can be treasurer to their own currency
im a conscious dreamer
therefore i can be treasurer to my own currency

i can be the mind controller

Bastard Mami

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#380 July 27, 2016, 02:34:42 am

Byakko said, July 27, 2016, 01:48:18 am

the centrist party here is the (most) corrupt one, we gave 12 years to the right the first 6 were decent, the second 6 were awful, the left makes big wins in individual states but have not won the country yet though they have come pretty close, generally the left here is very financially irresponsible, while the right is socially irresponsible; like the right will improve the macro economy a lot, but only big suiness owners and what not will notice it, while it does not get noticed as better anything (sercvices, etc...) for the rest of the population, while the left spends all the money they can even falling in debt so there is a lot of noticeable social improvement but ti comes at the cost of worsening the macro economy.
their biggest weak point , tho is their lack of negotiating skills, they ahve to negotiate agains the oposite side and against the center so they can't get the important stuff done, while the center is abel to pass big laws as they know how to negotiate, sicne the center fluctuates between left and right , that's the biggest difference, as in a federal level the center improves the macro, but the center state governments are very left-like in the social expenses/debt creation part.

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