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M.U.G.E.N Central => M.U.G.E.N Discussion => Topic started by: C-r-a-v-e-r on March 03, 2019, 08:08:35 pm
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Is it possible to restore all the unlocks that Rouhei has activated, back to their original state?
according to the red me file, Rouhei has worked on a number of functions...
1. Cancel character limit (2> 65535)
2. Cancel mode limit
3. Cancel 10 minutes limit
4. Remove 2005/7 red bar alert
5. fix random stage shutdown error
6. Some force debug mode fix (change zero font to some fix)
+ Fix force debug font in VS scene and Select scene
+ Eneble erase debug screen from Ctrl-D
+ Disable force debug screen in round start
+ Disable force life value in lifebar
7. fix team coop 1p mode bug
8. fix gameover screen problem
9. fix force Debug, force AllowDebugKeys, force AllowDebugMode
the reason is just that, since no one in possession of the original Winmugen privtate beta (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/im-looking-original-private-beta-winmugen-2002-04-14-184400.msg2413530.html), it could be ranimieren so based on the hacked version.
this version is missing in my collection.
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No one cares to restore WinMugen to that version.
No one wanted that version after the hack, so don't count on it appearing suddenly. (if anyone wants to prove me wrong, be my guest)
Who knows how Rouhei made that hack too... everything is lost in time.
It's been lost for a reason and that is: that version is obsolete.
I can understand it's for archiving purposes, but nobody would miss much by using it.
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I have the original winmugen private beta from elecbyte (the original one, before elecbyte1 and rouhei hacks).
But as Alex said above, there's no point in sharing it or using it nowadays. It would just bring confusion to people who's not aware of what happened in the past
And no, I don't give a shit about other people missing that version from their collection
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Confusion how? The guy is just asking for an older version of a game engine. How is it "dangerous" or confusing to share it?
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1) It only allowed 2 characters
2) it has a constant onscreen reminder message that can't be removed. This message even appears during fights
3) it's full of bugs and when you exit the program, you need to kill the process in the task manager
4) it crashes anytime for no apparent reasons
5) you can't play for more than 10 minutes
6) it was a private version, given to donators, and was never intended to be shared. The hype in year 2002 was to "just have it", but once the beta was leaked, and fixed by the different hackers, no one ever used the original version or even wanted to have it, as it is literally useless
(http://xgargoyle.mugenguild.com/db/mugen0.png)
(http://xgargoyle.mugenguild.com/db/mugen1.png)
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I do not know where the problem is to share it with the community. it is now part of mugen history and must not be lost. it is just very interrassant how everything has developed with the engine.
It is a shame if something like that would be lost forever due to a hard disk crash, which can happen anytime.
just like this KFM character (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kung-fu-man-elecbyte-1999-102003.0.html), he can do virtually nothing and is useless in this condition, but it is part of the history of the Mugen community.
it would be really a blessing if you make a theme with this rarity. a reminder of days gone by. :)
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I understand If you just don't want to share it but I still don't know how it's bad for OP to have it. if he's collecting old versions for fun, for whatever reason that may be (to check the code etc.), then there's surely no harm. As if Elecbyte cared that a 17 year old piece of software was shared. Best of luck, I hope you find its somewhere.
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just like this KFM character (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kung-fu-man-elecbyte-1999-102003.0.html), he can do virtually nothing and is useless in this condition, but it is part of the history of the Mugen community.
Not the best example.
That KFM was edited and updated so that it was made compatible with the latest version of mugen.
If BBH had actually shared the original KFM version (the unedited one) it would automatically crash mugen and not load the character, creating a lot of confusion among users such as "why is the character crashing?" or "why it's not working?", and 98% of the community will not even know how to fix it, as it was using old scripting code and no longer valid parameters.
So that's why there's no reason to share the private beta winmugen, because it would create such scenarios
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pretty bad. :(
but I have a question to you, why do you keep them even if the version oh so useless. for you, it's worth a collector somewhere. ;)
in addition, because with whole MS-DOS Mugen versions, which could theoretically confuse, it comes to no confusion among the users. As if this little version would trigger a worst case.
Can not you really change your opinion? :(
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but I have a question to you, why do you keep them even if the version oh so useless. for you, it's worth a collector somewhere. ;)
Not really. I have been creating mugen content since end of year 1999. I have multiple CDs and DVDs with stuff from friends and my own creations for almost two decades, and in one of them there is still a copy of the original private beta, from which I took the above screenshots. So, I'm no collector, just happened to be at the right time and the right place.
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were you actually one of the donors back then or did you get sent to yourself? :)
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I helped Elecbyte back then
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I guess I can understand collection purposes, but it seems more like you want this thing publicly available when theres absolutely no reason or actual significance to it being public lol
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@XGargoyle
can you still make screenshots at least, in the fight and content of the Mugen folder?
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Dude, that's like sharing the testp-exclusive dos versions some of us got there0s not point to make public archives of private beta builds.
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can you still make screenshots at least, in the fight and content of the Mugen folder?
I have no idea why you want a screenshot of the mugen folder, but there you go...
(http://xgargoyle.mugenguild.com/db/mugen2.png)
(http://xgargoyle.mugenguild.com/db/mugen_folder.png)
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Personally, I find that somehow interesting. ;-) could have been that it looks a little different. Thanks for the pictures. :-)
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were you actually one of the donors back then or did you get sent to yourself? :)
What was it like back then? Has somehow sometime the contact stopped or did they tell you that they first retire?
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They just disappeared and then went loco down in Acapulco...
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I would literally pay you money for that mugen for the sake of preservation. I know some people don't understand, but its why things like MAME exist. Why does anyone want to preserve a lame-o McDonalds digital toy etc??? Who want's to preserve a TIGER digital toy??? Stuff like MAME does that. I've paid to preserve before, also physical things as well. It's a nice document into time of the past. Let me know if interested.
my god. what an idiot. No point dealing with these kind of people, right craver?
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Interesting
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I would literally pay you money for that mugen for the sake of preservation. I know some people don't understand, but its why things like MAME exist. Why does anyone want to preserve a lame-o McDonalds digital toy etc??? Who want's to preserve a TIGER digital toy??? Stuff like MAME does that. I've paid to preserve before, also physical things as well. It's a nice document into time of the past. Let me know if interested.
The difference here is that you have the same software and features already available in Rouhei's winmugen, so there's nothing relevant to preserve by keeping the original elecbyte version.
And since you brought up the MAME/emulation example. There is no reason to keep archive (for preserving purposes or history facts), bad dumps or incorrect rom sets with wrong CRC checksums. If a rom is badly dumped, as soon as a correct dump exists, no one is keeping the old incorrect roms.
CPS2 emulation scene is no longer keeping or storing the XOR tables when the CPS2 emulation was incomplete, they have been completely removed from the romsets once the encryption was fully cracked/emulated.
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lmao. not even worth it. wow. we're done here.
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lmao. not even worth it. wow. we're done here.
Yeah hopefully we’re done ever having to see you mad post again
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my god. what an idiot. No point dealing with these kind of people, right craver?
Oh yeah, call me an idiot and say there's no point in dealing with these kind of people. That's really mature behavior you are displaying, dude.
You have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've done for this community.
And treating people in such manner will not do any favor in case you want to get stuff or information from these kind of people.
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So from my side everything is cool. I respect it. I asked and someone answered. Do you actually know if other people own this mugen version? And no, I'm not going to appeal to her. ;)
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I would literally pay you money for that mugen for the sake of preservation. I know some people don't understand, but its why things like MAME exist. Why does anyone want to preserve a lame-o McDonalds digital toy etc??? Who want's to preserve a TIGER digital toy??? Stuff like MAME does that. I've paid to preserve before, also physical things as well. It's a nice document into time of the past. Let me know if interested.
my god. what an idiot. No point dealing with these kind of people, right craver?
Yeah you are an idiot that shouldnt be dealt with. Maybe approach people with a bit more care and concern instead of trying to rude your way through conversations and they'll be more patient in dealing with you.
Cut that shit out.
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I would literally pay you money for that mugen for the sake of preservation. I know some people don't understand, but its why things like MAME exist. Why does anyone want to preserve a lame-o McDonalds digital toy etc??? Who want's to preserve a TIGER digital toy??? Stuff like MAME does that. I've paid to preserve before, also physical things as well. It's a nice document into time of the past. Let me know if interested.
my god. what an idiot. No point dealing with these kind of people, right craver?
Yeah you are an idiot that shouldnt be dealt with. Maybe approach people with a bit more care and concern instead of trying to rude your way through conversations and they'll be more patient in dealing with you.
Cut that shit out.
shut the fuck up lowlife
people who selflessly preserve bit accurate digital data are heroes and a lowly forum trash like you has no saying on the matter, what they accomplish is beyond your grasp, you're much like a worm unable to see the sun light, so shut the fuck up and know your place piece of shit
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I'm so glad the real heroes are here to insult people and be toxic :)
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My favorite heroes are the ones that go around being insulting to admins
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shut the fuck up lowlife
people who selflessly preserve bit accurate digital data are heroes and a lowly forum trash like you has no saying on the matter, what they accomplish is beyond your grasp, you're much like a worm unable to see the sun light, so shut the fuck up and know your place piece of shit
This seems unnecessarily harsh. I'm gonna give you some time to think about all this, alone and by yourself.
Because I'm gonna ban you.
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Makes on question what a "hero" truly is when they're being the most antagonistic party in the situation.
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yeah, totally makes the other guys who also have the files feel like helping.
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(http://xgargoyle.mugenguild.com/db/mugen2.png)
I would actually love to have this too because I'm some kind of file hoarder. Seeing as it clearly says "DISTRIBUTION STRICTLY PROHIBITED", I know I am not meant to have it. Even if it was leaked.
I'm glad to see it's survived after all these years. If nothing else it's a cool keep sake for those that helped in the beginning.
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shut the fuck up lowlife
people who selflessly preserve bit accurate digital data are heroes and a lowly forum trash like you has no saying on the matter, what they accomplish is beyond your grasp, you're much like a worm unable to see the sun light, so shut the fuck up and know your place piece of shit
This seems unnecessarily harsh. I'm gonna give you some time to think about all this, alone and by yourself.
Because I'm gonna ban you.
His only post on this forum was this exact comment. Ten bucks this dude is a sockpuppet of junkerde...
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(http://xgargoyle.mugenguild.com/db/mugen2.png)
I would actually love to have this too because I'm some kind of file hoarder. Seeing as it clearly says "DISTRIBUTION STRICTLY PROHIBITED", I know I am not meant to have it. Even if it was leaked.
I'm glad to see it's survived after all these years. If nothing else it's a cool keep sake for those that helped in the beginning.
ME TO. :D
true words. ;)
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@XGargoyle
can you also take a screenshot of what is in the data folder?
thanks in advance! ;D
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@Gacel: recently uploaded it. Here is the original message:
Maybe nobody cares about this but whatever.
Here is a archive containing the first leaked versions of WinMugen:
WinMugenLeaks.zip
5.89 MB
[23:50]
Both the original leak by the Brazilian group ELECBYTE1 and the 2 original versions of the No-Limit patch by the Japanese user Rouhei.
The limited version (With limited play time and 2 char limit) had no other active mirror on the internet.
I found these in my old HDD.
This thing was lost media until today
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233345562261323776/758807533091160084/WinMugenLeaks.zip
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Oh thank you. the only thing missing is the original original version of Elecbyte ;D