BLM is the embodiment of cultural marxism. It's a racist victim complex movement formulated as an answer to the incredibly factual crime rate disparity in the U.S. They don't care about a single black life that was lost, all they really care about is rendering black felons devoid of responsibility and feeling more comfortable committing crimes. It's no worse than HAES, third wave feminism, or any other sort of psychotic piffle we've had to tolerate since the birth of online activism and we shouldn't be giving it the time of day. UNFORTUNATELY, however, this one is even more effective at manipulating and deluding your every day layman as it hits closer to home being the delicate topic that it is. It calls on your human sense of empathy for the lives lost and that's exactly how they make you their next victim. You can mourn lives, you can expect more qualified officers and better training, but for THE LOVE OF GOD do not fall into the hands of these BLM lunatics and their social justice trifle.They're all a bunch of abhorrent, racist, postmodern diseased sheep and nobody should be surprised to see this kind of behavior out of them.basically what I'm trying to say is there is no race problem and they're the ones who claim and perpetuate it
Jigiba said, August 10, 2015, 12:14:14 amwhat I'm trying to say is there is no race problemUh, of course there is. It's just not how they put it. Nice bait, tho.
DKDC said, August 10, 2015, 12:42:31 amJigiba said, August 10, 2015, 12:14:14 amwhat I'm trying to say is there is no race problemUh, of course there is. It's just not how they put it. I'm a good goy, yummy yummy blue pill.Okay Mr. Right. I don't mean to litter up the thread but that's a 100% indoctrinated belief that you've put no thought into. To say an entire race of people is being oppressed is transparently outrageous and I'd challenge anyone alive breathing today to substantiate it with at least 3 fact-based examples of how the outcome of any sort of circumstance would be altered by the supposed 'rampant racism' that I've somehow been missing out on. To anyone attempting to take up the challenge, let me just get this one out of the way. There's no mass conspiracy where we all came together and devised a plan to arrest more black people. Police don't show up to the scene of a white-on-black homicide and go 'oh wait, he's white! arrest all the black guy's friends and let the white one go!' African Americans are dominating prison populations by a landslide. A HUGE landslide. Way too much of a landslide to say 'well, that's just because they only arrest black people and white people never get arrested for doing the same thing.' The simple fact is, for whatever reason you would like to believe, black people commit more crime. The races aren't all going to act exactly alike and commit the exact same amount of crime, that's just how the world works. Different but equal. If you can't concede that black people are committing more crime and aren't just being thrown in jail for no reason, then you're seeing the world through a PC filter and doing some impressive mental gymnastics to avoid reality. It wasn't bait, you can't complete the challenge, you're wrong, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
QuoteTo say an entire race of people is being oppressed is transparently outrageous and I'd challenge anyone alive breathing today to substantiate it with at least 3 fact-based examples of how the outcome of any sort of circumstance would be altered by the supposed 'rampant racism' that I've somehow been missing out on. Jesus Christ
Jigiba said, August 10, 2015, 01:35:59 amAn unmitigated pile of racist bullshitHoly fucking shit kid. You should probably get out of this thread while you can because if you keep on like this it is not going to end well for you.
Person Man said, August 10, 2015, 03:54:00 amJigiba said, August 10, 2015, 01:35:59 amAn opinion that differs from mine. Oh no!Holy fucking shit kid. You should probably get out of this thread while you can because if you keep on like this it is not going to end well for you.good argumenthttp://www.wikihow.com/Accept-and-Embrace-Disagreement
Xan said, August 10, 2015, 04:02:11 amSup HJK.Off-topic, but who?Edit: Nvm, I think I see the resemblance now.
HJK is a banned user who has registered over a dozen accounts over the years, has a liking for marathonically long arguments and the habit of dropping in 'serious' topics like this to post unsubtly long rants.Thing is, HJK is a black liberal and has always been consistent in his views about race and the working class. Going to the other end of the spectrum for trolling isn't his modus operandi. Nor is it planning far ahead, Jigiba's account is 3 years old.
Jigiba said, August 10, 2015, 04:04:22 amgood argumenthttp://www.wikihow.com/Accept-and-Embrace-DisagreementIt's not an argument, it's a warning. From a moderator. Allow me to rephrase that then: Stop posting in this thread now, or it will end badly for you. As in a ban.You can't just come into a thread and rant about how racism doesn't exist and all black people are probably criminals and then just hand-wave any responses away by pretending everyone else just can't handle different opinions. That's not how this works. What you're posting is not simply "an opinion." It is hate speech, and it is not allowed on this forum.
i dunno, i'd like to see him further explain what he's saying. "shut up" followed by "shut up i will ban you racist" is kinda lazy moderation. i'd like to ask him if he believes this statistical disparity between how many crimes are committed by each race is because A: black people are just terrible in general and they are eating all the watermelons or B: it's likelier they will be discriminated by people that aren't black so they basically have to resort to crime. or something to that vein. "the races aren't all going to act exactly alike and commit the exact same amount of crime" might lean to option A but maybe he could explain that further.
The guy dismissed not just racism against blacks in the US, an historical problem people from the whole political spectrum, from Obama and Bernie Sanders to Rand fucking Paul acknowledge, but the very idea of racism as tinfoil lunacy. What the fuck do you expect from him? A master piece of rethoric that will change everyone's mind?
I agree with titiln but I get the feeling that if he keeps on posting he will just dig his own grave deeper.
Jigiba said, August 10, 2015, 01:35:59 amUh, of course there is. It's just not how they put it. I'm a good goy, yummy yummy blue pill.This isn't /pol/. Stuff that's acceptable on an anonymous image board isn't going to be put up with on other forums. Please try and consider that when making posts like this.
Twenty one, a long one said, August 10, 2015, 06:06:08 amThe guy dismissed not just racism against blacks in the USmaybe it could be read as "there's no race problem when it comes to police" as in, for the most part, they don't treat a white criminal differently from a black criminal. i would hope that's what he meant because at least it's an improvement over "nobody in america is racist! media are lying to you". it would be extremely naive to think racism is over, racism will always exist to some degree. it's not anywhere as bad as it was decades ago, but racists will always exist.
Y'know he had me until he said there was no race issue in the US. That's... wow.Does anyone else find liberal and white supremacist being in the same sentence together ironic?
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/warnings-v2-112183.msg2146809.html#newI could write a fucking novel on how poorly Person Man handled this situation. He broke the most basic rule of moderating which is to leave feelings out of the equation and not talk down to members. Extremely unprofessional. I don't know how he became a moderator in the first place and quite honestly I had a lot higher expectations out of MFG staff. I stated what I felt was a very benign opinion in a very benign way and was met with nothing but relentless accusations and personal attacks on my character, no less by a moderator more than anyone. Despite that what I said by fact and definition was absolutely NOT hate speech, hate speech is still speech nonetheless and deserves just as much consideration as anything you would have to say about Littlest Pet Shop. Multiple other moderators read through my posts without taking issue so why should I be getting my throat stomped on by one single hypersensitive person who can't handle heavy political issues? I've been very impressed with the way this forum is run and I won't discredit it because of this one person but if having a warning does any harm to me then I'd like it taken off on account of the fact that I'm allowed to have an opinion. Thanks.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2146536I don't know, he warned you and talked to you right in the thread from what it looks like to me \_(ツ)_/You do have the right to say your opinion but other people have the right to say what they think of your opinion, it goes both ways.
Daniel9999999 said, August 10, 2015, 09:44:29 pmYou do have the right to say your opinion but other people have the right to say what they think of your opinion, it goes both ways.this isn't what he's arguing about thoughhate speech is not allowed according to the rules of the forum. however i think the definition for hate speech was stretched here. one could say that what you're posting (there's no racism) is ignorant but i wouldn't call it hate speech
Titiln said, August 10, 2015, 09:46:59 pmthis isn't what he's arguing about thoughshoot.Although what I don't see is how Person Man seemed to put feelings onto his moderation from what the poster said.
Jigiba said, August 10, 2015, 09:37:44 pmDespite that what I said by fact and definition was absolutely NOT hate speechyeah, uh, noJigiba said, August 10, 2015, 01:35:59 amDKDC said, August 10, 2015, 12:42:31 amUh, of course there is. It's just not how they put it. I'm a good goy, yummy yummy blue pill.You should be glad you weren't straight up banned because holy shit what is wrong with you.
Jigiba said, August 10, 2015, 09:37:44 pmhttp://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/warnings-v2-112183.msg2146809.html#newI could write a fucking novel on how poorly Person Man handled this situation. He broke the most basic rule of moderating which is to leave feelings out of the equation and not talk down to members. Extremely unprofessional. I don't know how he became a moderator in the first place and quite honestly I had a lot higher expectations out of MFG staff. I stated what I felt was a very benign opinion in a very benign wayQuoteUh, of course there is. It's just not how they put it. I'm a good goy, yummy yummy blue pill.Seems pretty ignorant and hate speech leaning, it wasnt full blown but it was obviously going there. I dont find it surprising people laughed at you, considering the type of stuff you were posting.Cut that shit out or get out.
my 2 cents:you said there was no racism against black people in the wake of a very recent police shootings of a black person.
a white person shooting a black person and viceversa is not necessarily racist but that's for another thread
Titiln said, August 10, 2015, 09:46:59 pmDaniel9999999 said, August 10, 2015, 09:44:29 pmYou do have the right to say your opinion but other people have the right to say what they think of your opinion, it goes both ways.this isn't what he's arguing about thoughhate speech is not allowed according to the rules of the forum. however i think the definition for hate speech was stretched here. one could say that what you're posting (there's no racism) is ignorant but i wouldn't call it hate speechI do recall him saying "black people commit more crime" verbatim, though. Now THAT sounds like hate speech.
you'll have a good laugh at this one, I actually typed the quote edit part in mindlessly as a joke to myself and forgot to delete it before I pressed postnot making excuses but just in case it interests youas for the rest of what I said I don't feel it was hate speech but now that I see the distaste isn't just limited to person man (who I still believe isn't the best moderator) I'll deal with itall compliments back but I can appreciate the honestyONLY for the sake of how many people are commenting I at least owe this last one but after that I can understand why you want me to drop itreally am sorry but I can't help it just this last one@jesuszillasaying black people commit more crime per percentage of the population [in the U.S.] is a categorical fact that can be easily looked up on any credible provider of statisticswhether you like it or not facts can't be hate speechokay, that's all and don't ban me pls
Twenty one, a long one said, August 10, 2015, 10:15:48 pmIt's also dogwhistling for racism.I was only using it to support my thesis that people aren't only arrested for the color of their skin it had no racist intent behind itcan we please stop prolonging this I get it now
If you look around a bit you'll find out several people using it to support their own thesis about how niggers are subhuman beings ruining America. Everything in your second post in that thread comes across thinly veiled racism: denying there's any racial discrimination in America and claiming blacks are most likely to commit crime based on their race are the main tools if the modern day racist.
Twenty one, a long one said, August 10, 2015, 10:47:50 pmIf you look around a bit you'll find out several people using it to support their own thesis about how niggers are subhuman beings ruining America. Everything in your second post in that thread comes across thinly veiled racism: denying there's any racial discrimination in America and claiming blacks are most likely to commit crime based on their race are the main tools if the modern day racist.you say: 'things are this way'I say: 'okay' because anything opposing the former is against the rulesI don't know what you expect out of me, I'm more than open to debate this with you or have some sort of long-form discourse about it but you keep dragging it on in this thread and it's hostile and unwelcoming and I can't reply without putting on a dress and tip toeing through the tulips for youI'd love to talk about itif you want to PM me, greatif you want to invite me to a live chat room, greatif you want to create some sort of special circumstance where we host a debate here and I'm not allowed to be warned or banned for the things I say, then hell fucking yeah, bring it onif none of the above then it's over here and we can let this be the last post about itor you can take the last word again if you have toI'll PM you what I PM'd Titiln because I'm not denying racial discrimination and I'm being grossly misinterpreted in that regard but other than that it's all up to you chiefand I'm not HJK
Orochi Gill said, August 11, 2015, 12:18:44 amIsn't that hjk anywayNo because I'm hjk~ I mean, sure doesn't sound like him to play innocent. In fact, he doesn't even hide his tendencies. Or feel that modern U.S. oppression is grossly exaggerated.
In fact, his last arguement as "SyeKensou of Algeria" (so mysterious) was him saying about how police in NYC stopped him using race as a motivation. It's someone else.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 12:22:38 amI'm not denying racial discrimination and I'm being grossly misinterpreted in that regardJigiba said, August 10, 2015, 12:14:14 amwhat I'm trying to say is there is no race problemOkaySo are you saying that there is racial discrimination, but it's not a problem, then... ?Also, how about RobotMonkeyHead.
Folks, this thread really isn't the place for this. Take it to PMs or something (maybe a new thread?)
In my opinion the warning was justified when you started making "good goy blue pill XDDD" references which is clear trolling. If you;re gonna defend your opinion, do it in a credible way. You can't possibly expect to be seen in a positive light, in any court of opinion, when you start baiting people.
Umezono said, August 11, 2015, 01:36:13 amIn my opinion the warning was justified when you started making "good goy blue pill XDDD" references which is clear trolling. If you;re gonna defend your opinion, do it in a credible way. You can't possibly expect to be seen in a positive light, in any court of opinion, when you start baiting people.the warning was for hate speech, not baiting. again I never intended to post it but I take full responsibility for itif you can make fun of 9/11 in your sig then we can at the very least get my warning changed to baiting instead of hate speechthis is all just gonna lead to me getting banned please stop instigating and resuscitating the dead horse I'm too accustomed to not having a filter I get it it was racist all I wanted to do is voice in on something holy fucking shit no more you're killing me
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 01:45:08 amUmezono said, August 11, 2015, 01:36:13 amIn my opinion the warning was justified when you started making "good goy blue pill XDDD" references which is clear trolling. If you;re gonna defend your opinion, do it in a credible way. You can't possibly expect to be seen in a positive light, in any court of opinion, when you start baiting people.the warning was for hate speech, not baiting. again I never intended to post it but I take full responsibility for itif you can make fun of 9/11 in your sig then we can at the very least get my warning changed to baiting instead of hate speechthe two aren't mutually exclusive though. plus, my signature is clearly a joke whereas you are presenting your posts as serious defenses of your opinion.and calm down please. i am just voicing my opinion on the matter since this was an indictment of the forum moderation policies lol. nobody mentioned banning you anywhere.
Umezono said, August 11, 2015, 01:36:13 amthe two aren't mutually exclusive though. plus, my signature is clearly a joke whereas you are presenting your posts as serious defenses of your opinion.and calm down please. i am just voicing my opinion on the matter since this was an indictment of the forum moderation policies lol. nobody mentioned banning you anywhere.the goy comment is what everyone's up in arms about and good goy is a joke if anythingI don't see how that could be provided as a piece of evidence in defense of black crime rate so you made that connection yourselfhonestly saying someone is being manipulated by jews because they hold a particular belief should immediately be seen as a joke and isn't even half as bad as making light of thousands of people dyingand I still don't understand why I'm being persecutedand oh lord I'm just dying to reply to you guys thinking you know anything about race trying to tell me there's a race problem but I'm hesitant to say anything after this whole goy conundrumyou know what I'm PM'ing this shit where I clarify what I mean by there's no race problem to everyone who's decided today they're a scholar on race and qualified to weigh in so strongly on my opinion because I'm just the worst human being on the planet and after that they can keep being pretentious narcissistic neolibs if they wantyou know I was ready to stop like two posts in and I never meant to become the most famous person on MFG in a day so don't blame me that this thread keeps getting shitposted inokay I can't PM everybody so I'll have to make a thread about itno goys this time
You're blowing this way out of proportion. The warning was justified as a racist + baiting combo. Maybe Person Man did t mention the baiting. Had the baiting not been there I'd have said the warning wasn't warranted yet.No one is thinking they are the authority. The way you're posting looks like you think you are. If you'd felt oppressed on this forum for some time I may understand your "tone". But it's been like a day. And there hasn't been any shitposting in the thread.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 01:19:57 amso you figured it out.you figured hjk out.you figured out that during the process of publishing the first M.U.G.E.N prototype a smoking orb of nothing appeared above the computer as mugen became sentient and its disgust for humans led it to f1 humanity and from the smoking orb a combination of all mugen characters materialized and it widened its maw and out emerged HJK and Jigiba, two opposite forces determined to fight day and night to restore mugen and humanity giving birth to MFG and we now forever haunt you with our opposite extremism begging to be remembered for what we've given you but where do you go from here?do you really think anyone's going to believe you?you don't have a fucking chance kidYou know, PMs like this are really not helping your case.I know I just dropped a PM publicly but fuck it, I can't even make heads or tails of this thing and I think with what's going on, the cat needs to be let out.
Orochi Gill said, August 11, 2015, 02:37:48 amJigiba said, August 11, 2015, 01:19:57 amso you figured it out.you figured hjk out.you figured out that during the process of publishing the first M.U.G.E.N prototype a smoking orb of nothing appeared above the computer as mugen became sentient and its disgust for humans led it to f1 humanity and from the smoking orb a combination of all mugen characters materialized and it widened its maw and out emerged HJK and Jigiba, two opposite forces determined to fight day and night to restore mugen and humanity giving birth to MFG and we now forever haunt you with our opposite extremism begging to be remembered for what we've given you but where do you go from here?do you really think anyone's going to believe you?you don't have a fucking chance kidYou know, PMs like this are really not helping your case.I know I just dropped a PM publicly but fuck it, I can't even make heads or tails of this thing and I think with what's going on, the cat needs to be let out.you've breeched the sacred bond of trust between mugen protector and mortal fleshI will now open one of my six mouths and sing the song that ends the Earth.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 02:21:16 amWhen I said there is no racism I didn't mean there is literally not such a thing as racismWhat we're experiencing is Thomas theorem in action. "If we define situations as real, they are real in their consequences. In other words, the interpretation of a situation causes the action." Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm talking on a much larger scale, not the human nature of petty stereotyping and prejudices, which I'm sure you agree is here to stay and people need to be less sensitive about it. That's not the racism I'm talking about. I'm talking about racism that manifests itself in the physical form. I'm talking global mass conspiracy racism. The 'white people are giving black people cocaine and guns and are responsible for every bad thing they do and only black people go to jail' racism. We've convinced ourselves as a society that this is true, therefore it is real in its consequences. That's what vomited this fabricated racism pandemic into existence. The reason truly racially motivated crimes are all over the news (I mean truly proven to be racially motivated, not white cop shoots unarmed black youth) is the same reason airplane crashes are all over the news. Because it's UNCOMMON. THAT'S WHY IT MAKES THE NEWS AND SEEMS SO PREVALENT WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T. I have never EVER seen a person being treated differently on account of their race in real life aside from playful mutters which are all exclusively mutual and in good humor. Neither has anybody I know, and I know a lot of people, believe it or not. That's why I say there's no race problem. I'm not saying because I don't see it therefore it doesn't happen, but come on. This has to have all been blown so far out of proportion. Yes, slavery happened. Yes, Jim Crow happened. It's hard for the self-proclaimed bastions of equality and suddenly-a-politican-when-it-suits-me progressives to look at current racial events through an objective lens because all they see in their minds is Rodney King and pictures of cotton. It's politically correct to want equality and they're mistaken in believing every little thing is inequality. Bottom line is, this very day, legally and in reality, every type of identity has every opportunity in the world to be successful and live a happy life regardless of whether or not #BlackLivesMatter is trending on Twitter. THAT'S why I say there's no race problem x2. I hope this time I managed to put my words together in a way that correctly expresses how I feel and we can agree to disagree and all just calm the fuck down jesus christwhat the fuck am i reading jegus dick (just to clarify, this is a PM I received from the man himself)
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2146809Continuing from this I guess. @jigiba: Continue the actual conversation about racism here. If you want to keep saying anything about the moderation I guess you can keep it the feedback thread. Trying this but if it goes the way I fear it'll probably be shit thread merged.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2146924Made a thread for this racism "discussion". Keep moderation feedback here.Ugh trying to read those PMs ppl posted now.
Jango Hakamichi said, August 11, 2015, 02:51:12 amJigiba said, August 11, 2015, 02:21:16 amWhen I said there is no racism I didn't mean there is literally not such a thing as racismWhat we're experiencing is Thomas theorem in action. "If we define situations as real, they are real in their consequences. In other words, the interpretation of a situation causes the action." Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm talking on a much larger scale, not the human nature of petty stereotyping and prejudices, which I'm sure you agree is here to stay and people need to be less sensitive about it. That's not the racism I'm talking about. I'm talking about racism that manifests itself in the physical form. I'm talking global mass conspiracy racism. The 'white people are giving black people cocaine and guns and are responsible for every bad thing they do and only black people go to jail' racism. We've convinced ourselves as a society that this is true, therefore it is real in its consequences. That's what vomited this fabricated racism pandemic into existence. The reason truly racially motivated crimes are all over the news (I mean truly proven to be racially motivated, not white cop shoots unarmed black youth) is the same reason airplane crashes are all over the news. Because it's UNCOMMON. THAT'S WHY IT MAKES THE NEWS AND SEEMS SO PREVALENT WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T. I have never EVER seen a person being treated differently on account of their race in real life aside from playful mutters which are all exclusively mutual and in good humor. Neither has anybody I know, and I know a lot of people, believe it or not. That's why I say there's no race problem. I'm not saying because I don't see it therefore it doesn't happen, but come on. This has to have all been blown so far out of proportion. Yes, slavery happened. Yes, Jim Crow happened. It's hard for the self-proclaimed bastions of equality and suddenly-a-politican-when-it-suits-me progressives to look at current racial events through an objective lens because all they see in their minds is Rodney King and pictures of cotton. It's politically correct to want equality and they're mistaken in believing every little thing is inequality. Bottom line is, this very day, legally and in reality, every type of identity has every opportunity in the world to be successful and live a happy life regardless of whether or not #BlackLivesMatter is trending on Twitter. THAT'S why I say there's no race problem x2. I hope this time I managed to put my words together in a way that correctly expresses how I feel and we can agree to disagree and all just calm the fuck down jesus christwhat the fuck am i reading jegus dick (just to clarify, this is a PM I received from the man himself)it hurts my eyes to even begin to read the the fist damned sentence. separate all this shit into paragraphs or something if you will please?
Racially, we're as equal as we're going to get. Anti-racism is the primary source of racism. Let me explain. To fight for racial equality, you must first grant that racial inequality exists in the first place. You've all shown that you adamantly believe blacks are being discriminated against in the U.S. From what you based that on, I have no idea. Most likely because of the crime and arrest rate of black Americans. Is every other race getting a free ride and blacks are being targeted out because of a biased system? The most basic of reasoning tells us no. You've heard it a thousand times, correlation is not causation.What we're experiencing here is the Thomas theorem in action. "If we define situations as real, they are real in their consequences. In other words, the interpretation of a situation causes the action." Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm talking on a much larger scale, not the human nature of petty stereotyping and prejudices, which I'm sure you agree is here to stay and people need to be less sensitive about it. That's not the racism I'm talking about. I'm talking about racism that manifests itself in the physical form. I'm talking global mass conspiracy racism. The 'white people are giving black people cocaine and guns and are responsible for every bad thing they do and only black people go to jail' racism. We've convinced ourselves as a society that this is true, therefore it is real in its consequences. That's what vomited this fabricated racism pandemic into existence.The reason truly racially motivated crimes are all over the news (I mean truly proven to be racially motivated, not white cop shoots unarmed black youth) is the same reason airplane crashes are all over the news. Because it's UNCOMMON. THAT'S WHY IT MAKES THE NEWS AND SEEMS SO PREVALENT WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T. I have never EVER seen a person being treated differently on account of their race in real life aside from playful mutters which are all exclusively mutual and in good humor. Neither has anybody I know, and I know a lot of people, believe it or not. That's why I say there's no race problem. I'm not saying because I don't see it therefore it doesn't happen, but come on. This has to have all been blown so far out of proportion. Yes, slavery happened. Yes, Jim Crow happened. It's hard for the self-proclaimed bastions of equality and suddenly-a-politican-when-it-suits-me progressives to look at current racial events through an objective lens because all they see in their minds is Rodney King and pictures of cotton. It's politically correct to want equality and they're mistaken in believing every little thing is inequality. Bottom line is, this very day, legally and in reality, every type of identity has every opportunity in the world to be successful and live a happy life regardless of whether or not #BlackLivesMatter is trending on Twitter. THAT'S why I say there's no race problem x2. I hope this time I managed to put my words together in a way that correctly expresses how I feel and we can agree to disagree. Before I get warned or banned, SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT RACE IS NOT RACIST. I'M TRYING TO START A CONVERSATION.edit: separated for the legally blindhol it down
what the fuck am i reading jegus dick. Do you close your curtains to thwart the feminist snipers, too?It's so hard to come up with original posts sometimes.
Jango Hakamichi said, August 11, 2015, 03:05:26 amwhat the fuck am i reading jegus dick. Do you close your curtains to thwart the feminist snipers, too?It's so hard to come up with original posts sometimes.it began as a private message so there was no need to make an entirely new post
That's a whole lot of wall of text. I actually have friends that have more "extreme" views than this. So I won't flat out call you racist. But I'll need you to do some proper indention and word spacing so I don't have to fight so hard to read it before I want to even try getting into this...Okay you made it readable I'll give this a try. Now Loading
Welp, my views are dramatically different then this guys...Maybe because I have seen racism first hand. Just because you don't see it or ignore it doesn't mean its not around.
We ain't got segregation no more, that means racism is over, amirite?Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
ink said, August 11, 2015, 03:28:37 amWelp, my views are dramatically different then this guys...Maybe because I have seen racism first hand. Just because you don't see it or ignore it doesn't mean its not around.I conceded to that but still think it's an unlikelihood. I think people are systematically indoctrinated into believing race is the enormous issue that it isn't. I have to take everything you say by faith and I'll presume it's at least somewhat exaggerated, but would you care to share your supposed racist experience?Dumanios said, August 11, 2015, 03:34:48 amWe ain't got segregation no more, that means racism is over, amirite?Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyWe once had segregation. That means racism will never end and is eternal and institutionalized because it was history and history is incapable of being changed, amirite?Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
First, I hate to ask but what race are you? I'm gonna guess one that doesn't get stepped on or run into to many obstacles. Maybe one that doesn't notice problems because they are at the top of the food chain. Are you a great white?
Xan said, August 11, 2015, 03:46:35 amThe entire American Midwest is also some sort of bizarre heat-induced group hallucination.This is actually true because as someone who has lived in New England my whole life, I can attest that is physically impossible for there to be any kind of land mass that is not entirely made of mountains. There is no such thing as flat ground.
Jango Hakamichi said, August 11, 2015, 03:40:52 amJango said, August 11, 2015, 03:03:45 amsomething about ableism I don't know how the quote got butcheredYour sarcasm is directed toward the very people I'm arguing against so I can only take it as a sign of agreement. I feel you're trying to paint me as some caricature anti-SJW fedora tipper but you're actually mocking them, not me.ink said, August 11, 2015, 03:42:12 amFirst, I hate to ask but what race are you? I'm gonna guess one that doesn't get stepped on or run into to many obstacles. Maybe one that doesn't notice problems because they are at the top of the food chain. Are you a great white?Irrelevant and not answering. I can see things around me just as well as anyone else can (HURR DURR NO U CANT COS UR SUPER RACIST). I'd love to hear about your real life experience with racism now.Round of applause for the ingenious 'I can't see it so I'm an idiot for thinking it isn't true' crowd. You're just as bad (I'd say worse) for saying 'I haven't seen it but it's probably true because they tell me it is.' I've never seen time travel but I hear about it a lot, therefore we have invented time travel. See, completely nullified. Not a very good argument.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:03:45 amYou've all shown that you adamantly believe blacks are being discriminated against in the U.S. From what you based that on, I have no idea.I'm going to just focus on this because this feels like the root of everything. I get you're whole "bigger picture" thing. The "conspiracy of those in power to straight up decide to unite against blacks" is most probably not happening.It's all the smaller racism that are the problem that amount to the big picture. You say yourself that there is actually racism on personal levels and that there is no way for us to completely overcome that. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do things to make those go away, When a large number of individuals display even small amounts of racism it adds up and becomes a huge problem.Increasing awareness will at least make people have to "sugar coat" and "think twice" about how they act. Maybe they won't shoot that unarmed black kid. Maybe they won't be a jerk to someone in fear of it going viral or them being called out.It's a bunch of subtle stuff that creates the problems.A small example off the top of my head as of late is the media's way of describing White shooters vs anyone else.As for the whole "more black crime, etc". I mean, I guess I can't straight up say 100% that blacks aren't more likely to break the law in an equal environment. But it's not equal. Thanks to slavery the white populace was able to get a head start and build themselves up. Then later when equality was finally made law the black citizens were left to build themselves up in a country that had built itself on using them as a tool you own. That didn't think they were human. That had already established small things that aided the whites. When you look and see that the wealth is so far divided proportionally a larger amount of blacks don't get decent educations. They can't afford it. While whites mostly self segregated itself to better cities. Segregation in schools is actually on the rise. It's things like this that need to be mentioned. They need to be addressed. I'm no specialist in any shape of the word in this field. I just hope this aids in gaining a slightly different POV.
^^ Hey at least my idiocy is the playful kind. Your mentally deficient ass is being dead serious.Why aren't you banned yet?
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:56:19 amRound of applause for the ingenious 'I can't see it so I'm an idiot for thinking it isn't true' crowd. You're just as bad (I'd say worse) for saying 'I haven't seen it but it's probably true because they tell me it is.' I've never seen time travel but I hear about it a lot, therefore we have invented time travel. See, completely nullified. Not a very good argument.Holy shit do you read your trite before you post it. You're kinda skipping out on the part where very few people, if not zero, say time travel is real and tangible in this day and age.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:56:19 amJango Hakamichi said, August 11, 2015, 03:40:52 amJango said, August 11, 2015, 03:03:45 amsomething about ableism I don't know how the quote got butcheredYour sarcasm is directed toward the very people I'm arguing against so I can only take it as a sign of agreement. I feel you're trying to paint me as some caricature anti-SJW fedora tipper but you're actually mocking them, not me.I didn't say that! As far as the quote goes, I edited it out because I thought it would be funnier to just have Lilly from Katawa Shoujo, who's legally blind, saddened by your "EDITED FOR THE LEGALLY BLIND" comment. I don't see how me calling you an ableist is insulting anyone else arguing with you about racism.Since you seem to be having problems with understanding context, here's the joke: You're trying so hard to say that racism doesn't exist (it does), but then you go out and insult individuals with blindness because you didn't like formatting paragraphs. So I was just pointing out that it was funny that you're trying to say "HEY GUYS I'M NOT RACIST AND IT DOESN'T EXIST" when you're using a disability as an insult.If you want me to be totally honest, I skimmed through most of your paragraphs, read jibberish, and gave up. The only things I noted was your salty edit comment.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:56:19 amRound of applause for the ingenious 'I can't see it so I'm an idiot for thinking it isn't true' crowd. You're just as bad (I'd say worse) for saying 'I haven't seen it but it's probably true because they tell me it is.' I've never seen time travel but I hear about it a lot, therefore we have invented time travel. See, completely nullified. Not a very good argument.If you're wondering why nobody is taking you seriously, it's because your "opinion" that the objective fact of racism and racial inequality does not exist because you did not personally witness every single instance of it happen directly in front of you is so mind-warpingly wrong and immature that it's impossible to approach with anything less than amusement.Literally centuries of racial oppression and inequality that is hard-wired into almost every single facet of society that has only even begun making a headway towards correction in the last 50 or so years is not going to magically disappear because you're choosing to cover your ears and say "la la la la I can't hear you."
I myself am white.If a minority is calling out for help, the right thing to do is acknowledge them and help.Im sure you wouldn't pretend women aren't being raped if they are screaming "I'm being raped", even if you don't directly view it. Am I right?
Time travel is real tho.In all seriousness and back on topic, Jigiba I get the impression that you're arguing just for the sake of it (granted, you are defending your views on one hand). You're asking for personal experiences but even if one person provided one, I believe- no I guarantee you'd be quick to challenge the whole thing. You'd probably try to dismantle the whole situation as coincidence or circumstantial/anything but racial discrimination.I get your point on certain things. I just don't believe you yourself are even open to seeing the possibility that you are wrong.I actually hate your whole "I've never witnessed it so it doesn't exist" argument. I've never witnessed human trafficking, the media talks about it, so it can't happen right?Anyway, my main question is would you be open to changing your views? If not, then there is no point in this discussion.
There is no racism from his perspective because his perspective is limited to a certain environment. In other words, there is no racism in his mom's basement. Seriously though, you could argue that there is no racism because race doesn't exist, but it doesn't change the fact that there are racists with power of authority. It also does not change the fact that institutional racism exists and is left over from the slavery and Jim Crow that you cited. Please don't reply. I honestly don't think that there is anything I can say to change your mind. I don't even think this should be topic, because having a debate about this suggests that there is something to debate. I find supporting a debate about race on a gaming forum to be as unethical as a Jerry Springer Episode about race. As sensational as your point-of-view is, I am not going to change your mind and the existence of this thread will only serve to validate that there is a debate, when there is not.
Racism is a myth~Alright, wait. I thought about just leaving it at that and never giving this topic a second thought. Though I'm gonna give a real response. First, let's just start with this: I'm black. I've seen and experienced racism. Though I will say that not as much as someone would have let's say 50+ years ago. Does racism exist? Of course it does. HOWEVER, it is significantly less present nowadays. For the most part, every person does have equal opportunity, you're right. There's been a huge amount of progress with stomping out racism. Though it does still exist, there's no denying that. That's as good as it gets for you. Maybe one day, if you live long enough to see that day, you can truly make that proclamation that racism is gone.Though today ain't that day bruh. I got white friends and have had relationships/intimacy with white women. Definitely something I couldn't have done, well at least not openly, if it were like 1920 or some shit. So in my book, that's definitely progress. Getting there, but not quite yet.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 04:22:27 amI'll racist tackle everything racist tomorrow I have racist work in the racist morningnot a cop out I am trying my hardest to entertain the idea that you're actually not trying to goad, troll, and bait. I don't want people to fear any sort of debates on this forum. However if you enter into one(especially if you started it) you'd better post in a decent manner. And if you feel a mob mentality inciting you to respond in such manners then I'll ask that you ignore them and focus on those trying to give you the smallest benefit of the doubt.Right now you're running on 1st impression. And you're not doing well. So focus and earn the right to make some snide remarks and seem holier than thou. As of now you're not doing a lot of favors for yourself.
i don't think so anymore JNP.to me now his posts are becoming more of a fact that he's becoming more deluded by his perspective in our responses.correct me if i'm wrong...
Dont know what started this but to deny racism exists is either willful ignorance or naivety either or your wrong if you think not just talk to people of minority im more than sure they've got a couple stories for you. My stance is racism isn't as one sided as its made to be people in general are racist and predjudice not just one race or towards one race but on the flip side there some genuinely cool and good people so its just a mixed bag which should be obvious at this point but hey thats my opinion and experience
Toonar12X said, August 11, 2015, 04:56:46 ami don't think so anymore JNP.to me now his posts are becoming more of a fact that he's becoming more deluded by his perspective in our responses.correct me if i'm wrong...More like he's incapable of intelligent conversation and mindlessly disagrees with whatever opposes his (grossly incorrect) stance. Not worth trying to talk to him.
none of your posts in this thread have been of any use whatsoever. you're just baiting and addressed zero of what he has said while people like jnp are at least trying
Racism does exist, but in my opinion equality is bullshit. Nothing in this world is equal, if everything is special then nothing is. We are all unique in our own way but actually hating someone for being different is human nature. What really pisses me off, is when someone sees a racist they bash him and feel like they are righteous or something.They eventually turn to bullies to feel like they stand for something and it is sad that they don't see it *cough SJW cough*There is fine line here, we all have racist thoughts once in a while but expressing them to be hurtful is wrong. Also don't give me that freedom of speech crap. Yes you are free to say what you please but thinking you will be immune to the backlash is idiocy. Freedom isn't absolute you also need to respect other people's freedom.
We generally discuss ridiculous SJW stuff on this forum so I think we're well aware of going to the opposite extreme. Its always about finding a decent middle ground. A good example is the horse shoe theory. Extremism in pretty much anything isn't cool.
Xan said, August 11, 2015, 04:04:57 amYou're kinda skipping out on the part where very few people, if not zero, say time travel is real and tangible in this day and age.I could say Big Foot or the Loch Ness Monster, it's still a fallacy.For the last time, neither of us can see it, so we're on equal footing for arguing whether or not it's there. The point that I'm not allowed to say I don't believe it's there because I can't see it happening in front of me is just as bad as you all saying you believe it even though it's not there in front of you (regardless of how relentlessly you'll try to convince yourself that is is)It's really unfortunate that we couldn't have had an intellectual conversation. I've found that most replies (exempting JNP and Titiln, I'll even throw in a little credit for Shamrock and Thagr8test) have boiled down to completely disregarding the content of what I'm saying and instead going for the content of what I am. I don't agree that it's okay for them to tell me I'm the stupidest most racist degenerate piece of shit on the planet but I can't thrown in a little underhanded closing remark at the end because I'm the one with the unpopular opinion. Talk about prejudice. I'm sorry you guys can't see things differently and with the mentality going on here I won't be making any progress so it's time for me to cut my losses. Please don't take this as a cop out JNP (you and everybody else still will so I don't know why I'm bothering), those are the best points I've gotten yet and I really would like to address them in full but this has gone on for so much longer than I anticipated and it would take too much more time and effort than I signed up for to keep talking about it. Maybe later if you're still up to it. The main thing I've gotten out of this is that people in general still haven't reached a point where they can keep their feelings separate from their reasoning, hive minding is the best way to be accepted and feel good about yourself, and I'm worse than Hitler. I regret bringing it up at all but it was probably a great bonding experience for you all and you won't be forgetting it any time soon, that's for damn sure. And for that, I am unapologetic. Thanks for the experience guys, smile because it happened. Just saw last 2 comments, good note to leave it on Rah Rah. I wasn't expecting there to be no backlash though.regards-hjk
I'd laugh but personally I'm ashamed. I guess the lesson to be had is that educating about these matters is the best way?
kakkoii superhero said, August 11, 2015, 06:55:04 amwhat a useless thread, long walls of text without a single picture. Here you goProof there's no racism today: You can choose to play as a little black boy when you pick Toon Link in SSB4.
Here, so people can have an easier time reading hjk's post.Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 06:30:15 amregards-hjk
well he wants examples. as someone from the southern united states i've seen quite a bit first hand, from a man being lynched, burned, and it being ruled suicide, to kkk pamphlets, to some former co workers believing black people have "extra ligaments" in their legs and "great singing voices because they were made for the white man's entertainment. yea... racism is fucking real and more prevalent than most are comfortable admitting.These are just overt examples and I could keep going but i don't see the need.
Yea apparently this wasn't a genuine discussion on the topic of race i only added my thoughts because i read dw's and jnp's
Thagr8test said, August 11, 2015, 08:36:26 amYea apparently this wasn't a genuine discussion on the topic of race i only added my thoughts because i read dw's and jnp's sure, i just had to throw it in there since i've seen so bloody much. it's infuriating really.
So in a shocking twist, he revealed himself to be hjk and he got himself banned before seeing any actual examples of racism, meaning he left with the impression that he was right all along and no one could cite serious experience of racism.Good job, team.
Here you goProof there's no racism today: You can choose to play as a little black boy when you pick Toon Link in SSB4.[/quote]I hope your joking cause this is bull. He's literally Black. This is a racist joke none the less.Besides, not to be a smart aleck but he's Dark Toon Link. It's weird how you compare a fighting game to real life.
I'm gonna ignore everything wrong in what you just posted and focus on the one thing you edited out while I was typing a reply to it.QuoteBefore you say anything about 4Shared being good, your Oni had a freaken' Virus.See this was part of my master plan. As punishment for not accepting the futility of LIFEHACKING A FUCKING CABLE, I whipped up an Oni as quickly as possible, put a virus on it, and threw it on 4shared. I didn't use the hosting Guild has given me because I didn't want to ruin their reputation, but now you've exposed me and Iced is going to take away my hosting. THANKS A LOT, ASSHOLE
DKDC said, August 11, 2015, 10:02:11 amSo in a shocking twist, he revealed himself to be hjk and he got himself banned before seeing any actual examples of racism, meaning he left with the impression that he was right all along and no one could cite serious experience of racism.Good job, team.we originally banned him because he was black though :shocked:Since as feared this was another HJK crapper I'll lock it down to not keep feeding him
