Well the money in the first image was for repairing his Hard Drive to get his files back.the wording is ambiguous, since he included the "downloadable content" in his membership plans. He'd best clear that up, it looks like he is including it in a paid membership plan.
At least, unlike AceMillion, you don't have to pay for the full game (Which is also re-used code), you just have to be on his Discord or w/e.
Maybe I've have a better insight if I were active there.
The lack of credit is also a notable problem with 2dee.
Well iirc he didn't reach the goal, but he tried to recover in some fashion.Yeah exactly, its not just 800 dollars, its /1800 dollars/
It goes beyond just "problems giving credit." If the guy is really coasting off a game full of others people characters in order to make 1800 dollars, that is scummy."$1700 for stage 3 repair." he mentioned on his YT community page.
"$1700 for stage 3 repair." he mentioned on his YT community page.I feel sorry for you for being so gullible that you would defend an obvious scam artist.
I admittedly thought it was a tad excessive when he first went on about it.
I don’t think any of this is a scam, I just see a guy wanting to make a project like it’s an actual game. It’s all about quality and there’s nothing wrong with that.MUGEN is literally not monetizable by law, on top of the fact it’s other company’s IPs. On top of that this unattributed work by other people. I fail to see your point of view
Since I included myself in this thread, and sorry for the off-topic discussion, but do any of you guys know any programs I can use to rip sprites from 3D games like Samurai Shodown 64 on MAME for example?Next time, if you know something is offtopic, youre better off PMing a mod about where to ask. Please refrain from derailing threads in the future.
Click here to waste almost 1 hour of your life:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/4Y7Zn_1P8oQ[/youtube]
bet you didnt actually watch the fucking video XD. He actually brought up a lot of criticisms about MANY MANY things
he only takes money to run his channel and fix equipment, as well as the fact that the download isn't paywalledDo you REALLY believe that?
I notice both sides are missing important information for everyone reading this topic so,
Here's something that must be stated:
To those who accuse Rei of *selling* others' work - I admit, I have been blindsighted by this statement as this does come off looking shady, but given that JZ's first post shows that he only takes money to run his channel and fix equipment, as well as the fact that the download isn't paywalled so I am unsure of how the content is being monetized, when one can access without paying Rei directly, thus despite the perceived shadiness, I still think this act falls under donations.
Secondly, I must over stand that I have no loyalty to any party, I only state facts, so being a member here for years, reading forum posts and also a watcher of YT videos: I noticed in one of the videos, how Rei mentioned how he was racially discriminated and profiled by some guild members, (don't remember specific ones through it's been awhile, he did mention JZ's name,) but I would like to know more about this.
I had no idea what he is and I still couldn’t care less, the guy’s an idiot and an asshole who’s running a con with other people’s content (especially the people who did CS work for him for free) and that’s all that needs to be said about him.
The lack of credit is also a notable problem with 2dee.
Surely everyone is upset at this situation, but all I could say is that everyone doesn’t have to be friends at the end of the day, and everyone is entitled to feel upset because we are all human, but can we at least just get this behind us act like nothing happened? If you support him, cool, if you don’t, cool, It just sucks to still see this go on.This is not a good way to go about things. To act like nothing even happened is pure lunacy.
but can we at least just get this behind us act like nothing happened?
Overall to me, this is petty drama. Like I said, you all have the right to upset and imo, this isn’t a scam, 2dee has shown us genuine content recently for over a year, have you guys seen that video of Joe vs Adon? That’s sick man, you guys know Joe didn’t have any of that in CVS2, he went through every iteration of games from beginning to recent to please us because we all love it so much. The money that we have the option to donate to is for the project itself in order to do something right for the community, he’s only one person that does request too, we even requested characters into the roster, I will admit, I am one of those people, I requested Rimururu in the roster because I love her, but I wanted to show that she deserves to be in the roster, so I went out my way to CS her sprites so she could blend in with the rest of the roster, he’s really doing this for us all, but he’s one man, and you should see some people in the comments requesting and requesting, but not contributing, he’s taking time out of his life to put out work, just like us, he’s making a full game knowing that it won’t be free to produce but free to share, but continuously talking about this is going to make things change, you guys leave that in the past, live the present, and be prepared for the future. Is anything positive happen here at least, what’s going on today, how are you guys feeling mentally? Emotionally? Physically? You guys don’t have to agree with me, I respect everyone in this guild, but can we at think about it for sec?
i gotta assume anyone defending this at this point only cares about being able to play his game regardless of whats going on. we have people handwaving the credit issue and people who clearly are invested in the game itself (like scramble)
i gave it the benefit of the doubt, but after i saw that his discord is behind a paywall, and the download link for the game is in that discord, its pretty clear now that he is monetizing other peoples work.
this could be solved simply by him making the build in his discord publicly available (none of this "everyone already has it" thing, it needs to be clearly available) and he needs to include a readme file listing every person he took work from- not just hide the credit away in character def files. if he has the good sense and civility to do this (not challenge people to discord debates over something that should be this simple) then he gets the credibility he wants.
Just tag me, but I said what I had to say. 2 whole pages basically talkin shit about him n he ain't here to defend himself.
Just tag me, but I said what I had to say. 2 whole pages basically talkin shit about him n he ain't here to defend himself.
2 whole pages basically talkin shit about him n he ain't here to defend himself.
Just tag me, but I said what I had to say. 2 whole pages basically talkin shit about him n he ain't here to defend himself.
bro just stop posting you have no idea what's going on. 2dee4ever doesnt want to come to the guild, even though he was told to come to the guild and handle the matters. instead, he wants people to go on his livechat or something like that and duke it out there. but it doesnt make any sense to go on his platform, so he avoids coming here to say anything, even though he probably can still view the forum and log in. I would say just stop posting any further on this subject as you have no idea what's going on and only making things complicated. People are getting tired of it and want to just move on.
2 whole pages basically talkin shit about him n he ain't here to defend himself.
Kinda agree with this honestly.
He deserves all the shit he caused for trying to sell a free game, but at least it should be told in his face.
Nothing will ever change if we just shit talk behind his back.
Ima just say, I used to work wit em on this, but I stopped fuckin wit him cuz of his attitude, so speak on what u know homie
stuff
that's like a lion cub walking into a hyena den. I think people are just upset cuz he found a little loophole, not actually making money off of mugen itself but his discord. But I'm off it.
psychological arguements, morally vague, capitalist society-(what?)
psychological arguements, morally vague, capitalist society-(what?)
You're... reading too much into it.
All I said was that, people are smart enough to figure out how much of your work was something you made. The same way how you can tell if someone copied their homework from someone else.
my 2 cents
2dee did a wrong? he harmed you or your rights? then call the fucking police, fucking sue him
what do you think you're doing here? you think you're the internet police? internet judges?
you're none of this, you have no legitimacy to judge others, you just make yourselves look like a bunch of savages
mfg already has a shit reputation when it comes to drama, look at the comments over there
https://i.imgur.com/1nGp8Oc.png
12 years of this drama, everyone now think of you as basement dwellers because normal grown up men with a job and kids would never pull out this shit for 12 years nonstop
you are slowly taking the life away from mugen with your fucking shit
you have no legitimacy to judge others
my 2 centsHi, you registered solely to start shit? You can take your ass back out to Youtube to continue to praising people for using others work lol,
2dee did a wrong? he harmed you or your rights? then call the fucking police, fucking sue him
what do you think you're doing here? you think you're the internet police? internet judges?
you're none of this, you have no legitimacy to judge others, you just make yourselves look like a bunch of savages
mfg already has a shit reputation when it comes to drama, look at the comments over there
https://i.imgur.com/1nGp8Oc.png
12 years of this drama, everyone now think of you as basement dwellers because normal grown up men with a job and kids would never pull out this shit for 12 years nonstop
you are slowly taking the life away from mugen with your fucking shit
Just tag me, but I said what I had to say. 2 whole pages basically talkin shit about him n he ain't here to defend himself.
mfg already has a shit reputation when it comes to drama
There was no reason for yo ass to mention me. There is a damn mob mentality cuz it happens all the fuckin time. Yall did it to chucho, you've done it to falcon, me and shinrei. Especially you. You always got some shit to say like yo opinion matters so damn much all the fuckin time. Your always in somebody shit. Plus you've got some personal shit goin on wit rei, not wit me I really dont even like u at all cuz your an ass kisser, dont mention me again fam. And as far as the REI situation I just feel like people here dont like him personally. Talkin about banning for essentially no reason. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELF
There was no reason for yo ass to mention me. There is a damn mob mentality cuz it happens all the fuckin time. Yall did it to chucho, you've done it to falcon, me and shinrei. Especially you. You always got some shit to say like yo opinion matters so damn much all the fuckin time. Your always in somebody shit. Plus you've got some personal shit goin on wit rei, not wit me I really dont even like u at all cuz your an ass kisser, dont mention me again fam. And as far as the REI situation I just feel like people here dont like him personally. Talkin about banning for essentially no reason. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELF
youre literally using the mob mentality defense RIGHT after i pointed it out thats your fallback and are trying to make it sound like my opinion isnt something that should be allowed.
yes, i have opinons, other people do. people call out shit. welcome to life.
so what? deal with it, stop pretending like its an actual conspiracy. everything you just said reaffirms my point.
Talkin about banning for essentially no reason.
. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELF
. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELF
Bruh it don't take a genius to figure out what's wrong with this. First of all loopholes by nature are definition of exploitation, and also, you're making absolutely no sense. Do you realize if it weren't for his Ikemen game, no one and not a single soul would have a reasonable motive to pay to get into a discord channel? God man what is going through your brain
How's your projects going? I know you're mad but we all have our differences.
what a rousing defense. "he used my shit so its ok for him to use all ur shit" and the final "lol u mad." a masterpiece of debate
my 2cents:
He is using other's people work for his game, he is not asking permission to use their work and he is taking money for their work.He should start his game from scratch.
Talkin about banning for essentially no reason. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELF
No shit people are mad dude, hes monetizing other peoples work. Stop being a gigantic baby because people are calling out shit that doesnt even involve you. Youre out here acting like youve been personally attacked because people don't like him. Give it a rest buddy.
No shit people are mad dude, hes monetizing other peoples work. Stop being a gigantic baby because people are calling out shit that doesnt even involve you. Youre out here acting like youve been personally attacked because people don't like him. Give it a rest buddy.
my 2cents:
He is using other's people work for his game, he is not asking permission to use their work and he is taking money for their work.He should start his game from scratch.
See? Direct and simple. ;)Talkin about banning for essentially no reason. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELF
No reason? Bro, if you're not have a problem about ShinRei using your stuff without giving credit it's your choice. But there are authors that doesn't like that and it's right. For me it's a disrespect for the authors not giving the proper credits. We're not mad because we "doesn't like ShinRei". I always tried to talk in a good way with him but them he always treated me like shit. We're discuss that because yes, he's selling other people stuff! It's not only his private Discord server, it have content from other people without proper credits that people get access only if you PAY for that and he keeps on that "duh, my projects are public release" excuse, which is a lie.
Hes selling his discord, which has the mugen game in it. It's called a loophole n yall are fuckin upset over it, like ya man umezuko said "get over it buddy"
Is he taking your work directly dearh? Nah hes not so why u here again? Mm just to have some to say like your other ass kissin buddy. But I'm done fam. Mfs here are just weird, u got mfs like jz who puts some racist shit in a char and hes forgiven, but lode and behold someone borrowed some shit from other chars, or "making money from the mugen itself" n more than likely is gonna get banned. Favoritism at its finest around here.
POTs ShenglongEnlighten me, good sir.
And as far as the REI situation I just feel like people here dont like him personally. Talkin about banning for essentially no reason. Like I said before yall are mad cuz he found a loophole. HES SELLING HIS DISCORD NOT MUGEN ITSELFYou've gotta be kidding me here.
Can you just discuss things in PMs? This is the second time I've seen you change the topic to unrelated MUGEN work. I get your interest but there is a time and place for it.POTs ShenglongEnlighten me, good sir.
Hes selling his discord, which has the mugen game in it.
It's a paywall to get mugen content, very simple to understand
yall mad
who's really mad hahaa
do you need us to call a family member, are you having a stroke or something? Sit down dear, you are making a fool out of yourself trying to convince us how mad you arent.
do you need us to call a family member, are you having a stroke or something? Sit down dear, you are making a fool out of yourself trying to convince us how mad you arent.
Yall be sounding so damn stupid bro tryna make other people look dumb it is what it is fam. Like I said ts is fun. Almost feels like I'm trollin but I'm not hahaha. Buncha 30 somethings mad at a 20 some over some bullshit. Maybe if yalls life didnt revolve around mugen ya wouldn't be so butt hurt. Enjoy yalls day ladies n gents
do you need us to call a family member, are you having a stroke or something? Sit down dear, you are making a fool out of yourself trying to convince us how mad you arent.
Yall be sounding so damn stupid bro tryna make other people look dumb it is what it is fam. Like I said ts is fun. Almost feels like I'm trollin but I'm not hahaha. Buncha 30 somethings mad at a 20 some over some bullshit. Maybe if yalls life didnt revolve around mugen ya wouldn't be so butt hurt. Enjoy yalls day ladies n gents
Yall be sounding so damn stupid bro tryna make other people look dumb it is what it is fam. Like I said ts is fun. Almost feels like I'm trollin but I'm not hahaha. Buncha 30 somethings mad at a 20 some over some bullshit. Maybe if yalls life didnt revolve around mugen ya wouldn't be so butt hurt. Enjoy yalls day ladies n gents
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But Freitas, what ShinRei doing is basically making people PAY to get access on content from other creators that he won't gave any credit. He always get that excuse that "everything is Public Release yay". But no. Even to get on his Discord server you have to PAY for this. I know that Patreon is a good thing to motivate MUGEN creators. But compare now to O Ilusionista's Patreon and ShinRei's Patreon. Ilu's Patreon is only for people to help him and BMT to improve and Ilu did the tier levels for the dude who wants to be a Beta tester of future content, not to get access to a whole content or full game or even in a private Discord server to get access on characters that are from other creators like ShinRei is doing.
So using Patreon is fine, but not in the disgusting way that ShinRei is doing.
Cuz they wanna full ban him, but allow racist mfs to get half a ban, we tolerate racism but monetization? That's a lil extra huh
Cuz they wanna full ban him, but allow racist mfs to get half a ban, we tolerate racism but monetization? That's a lil extra huh
Wow. Why is this not locked yet? Serious question.This thread is never locked, its here for people to report monetization schemes. There is your answer.
Cuz they wanna full ban him, but allow racist mfs to get half a ban, we tolerate racism but monetization? That's a lil extra huh
What the fuck are you talking about? Racism? Where? Don't come with that man! Doesn't matter if ShinRei is black or white, what he doing is WRONG!
And he still with that excuse that "duh, there's no paywall, duh it's only to access my Discord server, duh it's all release for the public".
Where are these releases? The only public releases i see it's from their very old edits, which many of them there are no credits for the original authors.
You've been giving me attention all day though I'm glad yall wanna cut it now. Told ya 10 posts ago to stop pulling my posts, but ya cant stop huh look at how easily butthurt yall get, absolutely laughable. Not only is racism tolerated but so is favoritism here. Is what it is I'll stop when yall stop.
lynch-mob mentality at mfg?No.
Wait, someone literally took the time and effort to make a new account just to imitate some MFG member without even trying to copy his/her DP?
Lol, that's pathetic to say the least.
At least put SOME effort in it, just for comedic sense.
first off, theres still no decision as to whether he is banned or not. he doesnt even use this forum so theres not even a point to that discussion right now.
monetization of MUGEN is quite literally illegal, this has nothing to do with favoritism. the personal feelings involved here are yours: youre obviously still hurt about this situation, as youve repeatedly said youre done yet continue to post here, or on discord. ive been clowning you but at this point its tiresome, and i suggest you just give up because what youre doing is completely futile. youre not in an environment that condones this behavior. youre welcome to go to whatever youtube channel or discord and vent about it all you want. but stop posting here, because this thread has been derailed enough by you.
you could've just ignored me when i told you to enjoy your night but you had to say something. my only personal issue here is with you. because you kept talking about me in the discord but when i confront you, i get attacked by your followers. no mob mentality you say huh? stop deceiving yourselves. i don't care about futility or any of you being biased towards certain people. now drop this matter and don't speak to me again.you're welcome.
first off, theres still no decision as to whether he is banned or not. he doesnt even use this forum so theres not even a point to that discussion right now.
monetization of MUGEN is quite literally illegal, this has nothing to do with favoritism. the personal feelings involved here are yours: youre obviously still hurt about this situation, as youve repeatedly said youre done yet continue to post here, or on discord. ive been clowning you but at this point its tiresome, and i suggest you just give up because what youre doing is completely futile. youre not in an environment that condones this behavior. youre welcome to go to whatever youtube channel or discord and vent about it all you want. but stop posting here, because this thread has been derailed enough by you.
All u had to do was let me go on I told yall enjoy ya night but u had to say sum the only personal shit is wit u cuz u on the discord callin me out my name n when i come there to address u personally i get attacked by 20 of your moblins, talkin bout there ain't a mob mentality. Stop lyin to yallself. Idgaf about nun bein futile or nun yall play by favoritism here n that's facts. Now leave me tf be