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Re: On the TempesT situation
#21  July 10, 2020, 02:56:57 AM
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Orochi Gill I can't believe how quickly you're able to prove my point. I rescinded it but it doesn't mean two wrongs make a right.
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Re: On the TempesT situation
#22  July 10, 2020, 03:20:43 AM
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to at least three people in the MUGEN community

add me on to that list of people. first time ive ever really said anything about it in public.

no,  i wont go on and on about specific details because it happened a few years ago, i was in a really bad place, blocked her on any other place i could communicate with her at, and have since moved on, have been happy and id rather keep all that stuff personal.

but i wanna throw out there that yeah, its a thing. do i think she deserves to be banned?

im conflicted because i very much do not like her as a person anymore and personally have a ton of shit to say, but anything i have to say should be done off the forum and off any public servers, so i dont think its ban worthy on MY end. personal business is personal business.

i dont know if she actually did anything illegal, and as hard as it is to say, if she really didnt, then i dont think its worth an actual ban. big if, but its still an if.

however i am also conflicted because this kind of stuff kept happening. idk. i took a leave on all mugen related servers after seeing so many bridges being burned, so much arguing and blaming and pointing fingers. alot of people are viewing eachother in such a strong and impulsive way which made being caught in the middle much more hard to watch.

I personally think people should air out their grievances here promptly, and try to avoid it going in much longer. nobody really wins at the end of this. if anything, its just caused more strife than it should have.

Condolences to those who have been caught in the middle and have been stressed as fuck due to trying to juggle things from both ends.
Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 03:29:19 AM by lui
Re: On the TempesT situation
#23  July 10, 2020, 03:33:25 AM
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If you think I did anything illegal, then post proof. Not hearsay, not "first hand accounts". The facts are, a young kid was invited into our discord, an inappropriate joke was made and he was removed from the server shortly after. Among the people in our discord at the time was a LEGITIMATE CONVICTED PEDOPHILE and I have verifiable proof of that (not just a fucking chatlog either). This isn't a fucking game. You can't call me a fucking pedophile and have people think "well is she?" that isn't going to fucking fly with me, this is my life and you're taking away from victims of actual, legitimate pedophilia because at the time CK was mad that I wasn't with him anymore.

It seems like I have to repeat the same things over and over with every post that I make, but I have admitted my guilt in my post that I had made and almost every time I've spoken publicly about this. People are fucking harassing me on Twitter now telling me to "admit what I've done" when I HAVE ADMITTED IT and am GOING THROUGH STEPS TO PROTECT OTHERS AND MYSELF FROM THIS HAPPENING AGAIN. No one cares to read the facts, everyone is so hopped up on emotional rage that they're not discerning truth from emotional hearsay. I had already planned on potentially leaving the community because of this as part of that, but until this false accusation is rescinded and he apologizes to me for it publicly, I cannot and will not do that.
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Re: On the TempesT situation
#24  July 10, 2020, 03:33:52 AM
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We took the accusations more seriously than anything else, because pedophilia is a dangerous crime. But when asked for logs or any tangible form of proof of such a vile act, Crazy Koopa said he had none, so we went further than what was our reach and sought out the kid that was on a server totally unrelated to our forum at the time of the accusation and asked him about it as seen in the log above.  This is the only solid information we have to go off of.

If you have any concrete information that you are withholding please contact the authorities at https://cyber.gc.ca/en/cyber-incidents and supply them with the proof.

Again, we have no interest in taking any sides in this at all and have posted statements from all parties involved. What you do with that is up to you.
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#25  July 10, 2020, 04:16:39 AM
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I told the staff several times that I had a handful of people, some of which used to be a part of the MUGEN community, that could vouch for my story about the 11 year old. They were not interested in hearing it. I hope most of you realize that an 11 year old child is impressionable and may not even realize what was/is being done to them. The fact that you simply shoved this under the rug after one question and said it was "proven false" is concerning to say the least.
That is not a fair assessment of the situation at all.  We did hear out that people before even contacting the alleged victims.

The staff did contact most of the friends that you name dropped in your twilonger to ask them their version of the story before you replied. While all of them can attest that there was a Discord server and that TempesT at some point brought a child in, only you yourself and one other could actually provide details such as the kid's username, with most of them admitting their recollection of the events were hazy. 
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#26  July 10, 2020, 05:30:58 AM
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I wasn't informed of that, I assume you talked to Zero-Sennin. Rdogg told me someone tried to talk to him but couldn't.

Re: On the TempesT situation
#27  July 10, 2020, 05:35:08 AM
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I stepped down as moderator from this situation but I am going to reiterate something for the record here because this is a beyond fucked up situation.

Firstly, pedophilia is something that is legally actionable and should not be included in "callout" twitlongers without proof. I listened to Crazykoopa and asked for proof multiple times, but he insisted that all he had was accounts from several people. As pointed out, many named parties in that twitlonger were contacted and there was so no such proof presented. Just hearsay which is not only not proof but also legally inadmissable were this to be litigated. On top of that, I was the person who personally sought out the child in that situation to make sure he was ok. He himself denied anything. I hope this is clear to people. When you make a serious allegation like possible pedophilia, by linking the supposed predator to a well-known Smash pedophile Cinnpie, its extremely irresponsible to leave that allegation up when it comes out that the only evidence is hearsay and the victim denies it. On top of that, another allegation was made about her because of this first allegation in the twitlonger. And more unsourced rumors by other members of the community have continually come out with no proof. I tirelessly pursued these allegations as a SA survivor and none such things could be verified.

I empathize with people in these posts because being manipulated is a terrible thing. But how dare you talk about "impressionable children" when you're leaving up such a damaging accusation with no proof behind it? its clearly getting many impressionable people to call someone a pedophile without proof? You need to rescind it immediately, like I said on Discord. Do not use vulnerable children as props for your own grievances.

I do not care to rehash the personal lives of these peoples. I've listened to enough of it, more than I ever care to know, stuff that was absolutely triggering re: my own issues with mental and sexual abuse. I'm going to let you all know that this was not a one-sided issue. Read the twitlongers at length and see how much of this was based on reciprocation and when that reciprocation ended. There is so much toxic codependency going on in these stories.

I am done with this community after this. I am not going to name names but people on both sides of the issue have made this community unsafe for people. This goes beyond just this issue. The community is full of people on both ends who are hostile towards women, towards survivors of abuse, people who do not understand how consent works, and people who weaponize serious issues to their own selfish ends. I am tired of dealing with it.
Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 05:44:28 AM by Umezono
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I talked to pretty much everyone on your twitlonger but Rdogg, by the time he accepted my friend request you and I had already spoken and we were looking into the second allegation.





Re: On the TempesT situation
#29  July 10, 2020, 05:57:02 AM
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I'd like to more clearly thank Umezono for what he did in all this. I'm also saying this now because he got inundated with DMs more than any of us when we were looking for logs of the alleged incident.

I'm saying this because since he's been forced to cut himself off from everything because of this, it seems it's just moving on to the next person in line it is felt will give the desired result.

We made this thread for a reason. If you want to properly litigate your issues, do it in the courts. Please do not keep coming to us with these as if it's a smoking gun. If you want to post it in here, then feel free to do so. Once again, we have no interest in taking sides unless there is tangible proof.

Edit: So y'all know I mean what I say both about not getting DMs and about not taking sides.






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Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 06:25:11 AM by Speedpreacher
Re: On the TempesT situation
#30  July 10, 2020, 07:23:09 AM
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I am done with this community after this. I am not going to name names but people on both sides of the issue have made this community unsafe for people. This goes beyond just this issue. The community is full of people on both ends who are hostile towards women, towards survivors of abuse, people who do not understand how consent works, and people who weaponize serious issues to their own selfish ends. I am tired of dealing with it.

Sorry for all that happend with you Ume. It's sad that you passed through all of this.

CK and TempesT, i hope that everything can be clarified cause the situation is getting even more serious.
Not only CK but many others are talking about TempesT behavior. And i fully trust on these people cause i know them well not only from here at MFG.
It's not about choosing sides, it's about trust. CK, Fclass, Lui, JZ. I trust on them cause i know them for a long time.
And probably few of you know well how much i hate and disgust pedophilia.

Edit: So y'all know I mean what I say both about not getting DMs and about not taking sides.



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Re: On the TempesT situation
#31  July 10, 2020, 07:46:54 AM
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First of all, thank you Umezono (and other ex-mods) for all your contribution towards this community and MUGEN as a whole.
Second, I think it's a real shame since 3rd party people are being more affected by this controversy than the accusers.

Why can't people just enjoy the fucking game and not stir up stupid shit?
Re: On the TempesT situation
#32  July 10, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
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I've been debating back and forth on making a post in this thread for the entirety of a day. I experienced a plethora of horrible emotions that left me shaking. The only reason I want to make this post is to stand up for the people - my friends - who were hurt by this and similar experiences. For the record, I do mean CK in this regard.

I've communicated with every single person CK mentions in his post. Some are still friends. It's been a long time, but the point is that nothing CK said sounded incorrect to me. I wasn't involved in anything personal with that group, so I didn't see the full picture, but I learned very little new things from reading that post. To clarify: because it all sounds true. I heard some of it as time passed, mostly the incident with the very young boy being added and flirted with. The fact that more than one person involved with this tried to excuse this action makes me sick to my stomach. Not just because their logic is faulty, but because they didn't even deny it was happening. They just think it's... okay.

I just want to point out, in case it wasn't already known, but as far as I can tell, the reason there's no proof of these actions is because the server it all happened on was mysteriously deleted. Hm.

We cannot protect you from yourselves.

This is victim blaming. All this means is that you believe the people who were being manipulated are smart enough to simply not be. You're simply ignoring the possibility that you can control this situation under the reasoning that people simply can't be exploited if they're careful enough.

Plus, a really big reason this whole ordeal is a forum issue is that there are actually people on this website who *are not* capable of protecting themselves from this kind of abuse. The engine, given its a video game engine with a huge assortment of custom-created content that appeals to a younger demographic, has attracted a rather sizable following of all ages, including kids, and arguably *mostly* kids. . To deny the chance to prevent an underage person from interacting with someone who can, has, and possibly will manipulate them is to put others at risk entirely because... I don't know, you're afraid of being *unfair* to the abusive asshole?

But, it doesn't matter. This post doesn't matter. It means something to me, and hopefully it means something to my friends, but the people responsible for hurting others or allowing others to be hurt are simply not going to care. You've already proven it. I'd feel guilt if I didn't speak my mind, but at the end of the day, I know it means nothing. This website is a cesspool of some of the most vile, deplorable behavior I've ever encountered on the internet. It is not devoid of good people, and I wish only the best for all those who aren't involved in all the horrible bullshit that goes on here. But so much ill-will has been birthed in this wretched place, and the innocent ones here deserve better.

In my life, I've encountered three people who personally upset me to the point of making me sick to my stomach, and afraid. I've gotten mad at the internet before, we all have, but there are three people who made me genuinely hate. The kind of hate that doesn't just go away when I click to a new webpage.

I know all three of those people because of this website.

I hope this place burns. I see it having no positive impact on anyone's life ever. I wholeheartedly wish, with all my being, that I had never come here.
Re: On the TempesT situation
#33  July 10, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
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I didn't ever deny making the joke, but making an inappropriate joke (accidentally posting an amazon link in public) and then rescinding it and encouraging him to ignore it is not the fucking same as pedophilia or sexual abuse, something someone YOU are also close with was ACTUALLY CONVICTED OF DOING(what was it again? distributing pornography to a minor? you probably have a good understanding of what he was convicted of) so it's kind of pathetic that you're willing to equate what I did with the legal definition of it and not some sensationalized bullshit.

The server actually still exists too, dunno why you think that's somehow a "gotcha." All of you(the greater "you", everyone that is backing this allegation) are engaging in libel with no proof and that is a litigable offense that I take extremely seriously and am more than willing to pursue should this ridiculous bullshit continue. I'm the one sick to my stomach that people like you can look at this situation, see no proof and say "yeah, she did it."

Everything else is hearsay, you've added nothing to the conversation save for saying "TempesT bad" as if I didn't already fucking know that. I already talked to people that I've hurt and have either amicably made up or am just outright blocked from communicating them, so once CK is actually man enough to recant the allegation against me, I can move on from this community as well and try to improve my life, something I encourage you to help him with as well.
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Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 11:25:48 AM by TempesT
Re: On the TempesT situation
#34  July 10, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
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something someone YOU are also close with was ACTUALLY CONVICTED OF DOING(what was it again? distributing pornography to a minor? you probably have a good understanding of what he was convicted of)

you still haven't told us who that "pedophile friend" was. if you're saying you have the evidence to back up your claim, I would like you to present it to this forum.
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#35  July 10, 2020, 11:53:16 AM
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Yeah there's a fucking reason for that, it's called: I'm not braindead. Libel is a real criminal offense and I'm not stupid enough to engage in it and even true statements can be considered defamation. I have actual verifiable proof of this claim, however, and I'm making it merely to show how disingenuous the people backing this allegation yet remaining good friends with this person really are. It's crazy how things work when you actually go out of your way to prove or disprove something, and even crazier when people who are engaging in an actual criminal offense continue to do so even when advised not to and CK lives in a state where libel is a criminal offense and can be prosecuted for it.
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Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 12:00:56 PM by TempesT
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#36  July 10, 2020, 12:15:55 PM
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I didn't ever deny making the joke, but making an inappropriate joke (accidentally posting an amazon link in public) and then rescinding it and encouraging him to ignore it is not the fucking same as pedophilia or sexual abuse, something someone YOU are also close with was ACTUALLY CONVICTED OF DOING(what was it again? distributing pornography to a minor? you probably have a good understanding of what he was convicted of) so it's kind of pathetic that you're willing to equate what I did with the legal definition of it and not some sensationalized bullshit.

So I've been called a liar all day and you just... come out and admit to what I accused you of? Nice.
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#37  July 10, 2020, 12:18:18 PM
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Yeah there's a fucking reason for that, it's called: I'm not braindead. Libel is a real criminal offense and I'm not stupid enough to engage in it and even true statements can be considered defamation. I have actual verifiable proof of this claim, however, and I'm making it merely to show how disingenuous the people backing this allegation yet remaining good friends with this person really are. It's crazy how things work when you actually go out of your way to prove or disprove something, and even crazier when people who are engaging in an actual criminal offense continue to do so even when advised not to and CK lives in a state where libel is a criminal offense and can be prosecuted for it.

even if you're refusing to show proof for "legal reasons", it still doesn't make your "CK has a pedo friend!" case any more convincing imo.
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#38  July 10, 2020, 12:32:44 PM
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I didn't ever deny making the joke, but making an inappropriate joke (accidentally posting an amazon link in public) and then rescinding it and encouraging him to ignore it is not the fucking same as pedophilia or sexual abuse, something someone YOU are also close with was ACTUALLY CONVICTED OF DOING(what was it again? distributing pornography to a minor? you probably have a good understanding of what he was convicted of) so it's kind of pathetic that you're willing to equate what I did with the legal definition of it and not some sensationalized bullshit.

So I've been called a liar all day and you just... come out and admit to what I accused you of? Nice.

Where's the sexual abuse? It was 1) accidental, 2)removed, 3) encouraged to be ignored, 4) he was removed very shortly afterwards. Are you out of your fucking mind? Get help. Sensationalizing it doesn't make it true you manchild.

Yeah there's a fucking reason for that, it's called: I'm not braindead. Libel is a real criminal offense and I'm not stupid enough to engage in it and even true statements can be considered defamation. I have actual verifiable proof of this claim, however, and I'm making it merely to show how disingenuous the people backing this allegation yet remaining good friends with this person really are. It's crazy how things work when you actually go out of your way to prove or disprove something, and even crazier when people who are engaging in an actual criminal offense continue to do so even when advised not to and CK lives in a state where libel is a criminal offense and can be prosecuted for it.

even if you're refusing to show proof for "legal reasons", it still doesn't make your "CK has a pedo friend!" case any more convincing imo.

I'm not here to convince you. You're no one. CK is intentionally ignoring that part of my post because he knows it's true. He is friends with a pedophile.
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Last Edit: July 10, 2020, 12:55:21 PM by TempesT
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#39  July 10, 2020, 12:39:44 PM
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You know what.
If you two are here to banter again, then do it on a private discord server or smth.
I'm sick and tired of keep seeing this thread coming up on the feed and seeing nothing but slandering being posted.

This is the reason why this community is considered toxic in the first place.
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#40  July 10, 2020, 12:57:17 PM
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Where's the sexual abuse? Are you out of your fucking mind? Get help. Sensationalizing it doesn't make it true you manchild.

I want you to tell me in which world you think a 30 year old woman saying "Wanna know what goes inside me?" and linking the amazon page of a hitachi wand to AN 11 YEAR OLD CHILD is okay.

I'm not here to convince you. You're no one. CK is intentionally ignoring that part of my post because he knows it's true. He is friends with a pedophile.

I like how you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing me of by bringing in someone completely unrelated and slandering them, without any proof. That person has nothing to do with this, and you know nothing about him.