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Started by Magma MK-II, December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 pm
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Re: KoF XV
#1021  May 13, 2021, 05:00:04 am
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they could of done so much more for her.....she just looks plain....besides a model over haul, they really did nothing special for her....i don't know if i can get excited anymore for any returning characters from 14...it's just character imports with upgraded visuals
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#1022  May 13, 2021, 06:52:15 am
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You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game. Also, there is a reason why they're doing this: its cheap. Simple as that, its already done, they just have to import it instead of remaking it. I will say, though, that since they're doing that, I see no reason for them to not bring the entire KoF XIV roster (save for the ones they can't, like, apparently, the girls that teamed up with Nakoruru), which means they should at least try to promote more new stuff. Instead of making one trailer per character, make one trailer per team that is returning from KoF XIV and give solo trailers to the new characters (or characters that haven't been seen in a while).
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#1023  May 13, 2021, 07:56:02 am
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I don't see that much to rant about here. The distinct lack of hitpause is hella awkward though, like Jmorph said.
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Re: KoF XV
#1024  May 13, 2021, 08:17:53 am
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And.... It's Leona.
To be honest, the Kasumi theory was not even an option for me, considering the picture, again, unless they really edited it a lot like shermie CAT-HAND...

You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?

Heck, they did it before in KOF'96 and those sprites still can hold to today's standards.

One reply... For saving money and making it faster... -_-
But I feel like you CYS is really a masterpiece when most of the characters present in the previous game still lack of dynamism (sometimes the model is not even that good)

I compare it to Tekken on some points, when in Tekken 3, you can see new characters like Xiaoyu or Hwoarang pretty well animated when old characters still have weird animations from Tekken 1 and Tekken 2... And they kept many of these strange animation until Tekken Tag 2, with a big update of animations. But even in Tekken 7 some animations from Tekken 1 are almost untouched.

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I feel Leona very bland, seems like they didn't changed her model so much. This is clearly the character that deserves a redesign. (MY opinion)
I'm not a leona specialist, but I can see her fighting style have not progressed that much since the previous game...

Hope the next character announcement will actually shatter something...
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#1025  May 13, 2021, 09:24:40 am
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Yeah... I mean, a lot of people DID expect Chizuru and CYS, so... the expectations aren't exactly shattered.
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#1026  May 13, 2021, 09:49:33 am
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You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game. Also, there is a reason why they're doing this: its cheap. Simple as that, its already done, they just have to import it instead of remaking it. I will say, though, that since they're doing that, I see no reason for them to not bring the entire KoF XIV roster (save for the ones they can't, like, apparently, the girls that teamed up with Nakoruru), which means they should at least try to promote more new stuff. Instead of making one trailer per character, make one trailer per team that is returning from KoF XIV and give solo trailers to the new characters (or characters that haven't been seen in a while).

I mean... of course. It's SNK we're talking about here....
My point is, CYS looks at least 2018-ish while Leona still remains in the 2013/14 era.

Also, Yashiro and Chris never had 3D animations done by SNK themselves. The only iterations of them in 3D was done by All Stars which is Netmarble's not SNK's.
Shermie was in Girl Frenzy or smth, but her movements were improved drastically for 15. There's a YT video comparing the two.

My only hope is for them to wake up and smell the 2021 (which is in it's first half already) air.
They sold their rights for more investment and yet they seem so cheap regarding actually spending resources.
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#1027  May 13, 2021, 11:26:28 am
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Honestly, animations looking reused/cheap makes sense when you think about it. SNK isn't exactly that big of a company especially considering they've been bankrupt twice. It also doesn't do them any favors that their biggest franchises they have are Fighting games. Every other major FG dev has something else to fall back on and can afford nicer animations.
Wouldn't be surprised.if they can't afford to splurge on their big game.
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#1028  May 13, 2021, 12:45:06 pm
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Honestly, animations looking reused/cheap makes sense when you think about it. SNK isn't exactly that big of a company especially considering they've been bankrupt twice. It also doesn't do them any favors that their biggest franchises they have are Fighting games. Every other major FG dev has something else to fall back on and can afford nicer animations.
Wouldn't be surprised.if they can't afford to splurge on their big game.

That's a reasonable statement, lets hope we get a better trailer next week showcasing anything else like the staff take and overview on KOF XV development.
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#1029  May 13, 2021, 01:04:19 pm
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I don't see a next dev talk video happening before E3 or late July.
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#1030  May 13, 2021, 01:37:21 pm
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#1031  May 13, 2021, 02:12:28 pm
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Welp, all we gotta do is wait for Ralf and Clark (and/or Whip) to come in now.
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#1032  May 13, 2021, 02:47:16 pm
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#1033  May 13, 2021, 03:46:44 pm
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You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game.

Not only that, they also recycled animations from other characters. Just look at Shermie and Chris's climaxes, they're just the climaxes from Vice and Kim from the previous game slightly adapted.
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#1034  May 13, 2021, 05:05:02 pm
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When we still talk about Kasumi, here is what I would dream for them to do!
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Kasumi Todoh is the most likely out of the three to make it as a playable. And she is the most popular of them. She is a great counter character.
Lee Pai Long would serve as the quick and nimble assassin guy with chinese martial arts. (Vega type Claw x 2).
Temjin would be the stubby strong one to round out the cast and create great diversity. It would also give both him and LPL a chance to shine again.

My favourite part about the grouping is that it includes an Art of Fighting character from each game! Lee from AoF 1, Temjin from AoF 2 and Kasumi from AoF 3.
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#1035  May 13, 2021, 08:41:47 pm
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#1036  May 13, 2021, 10:06:21 pm
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You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game.

Not only that, they also recycled animations from other characters. Just look at Shermie and Chris's climaxes, they're just the climaxes from Vice and Kim from the previous game slightly adapted.

as someone whos datamined, extracted and looked at the kofas models and anims


no, they didnt reuse their anims for the new faces team. all of them are new
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#1037  May 14, 2021, 02:37:20 am
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I wish SNK would tinker with the animations too. They have a plain look to them at times, and the "stylization" has a jarring look in 3d. Majority of the motion libraries were made with KoF XII sprites in mind, where the posing lacks aggression in certain places. They also tween too fast (not SFIV bad but it's there), and you end up losing the distinct key frames for certain attacks and grabs. Choregraphing could use improvement as well.

"Dragon Punch-type" moves are animated really nicely. They have aggressive posing, and the recovery is tweened in a way where you can see the recovery motion. They're some of my favorite moves to look it in 3d kof.

Btw SNK don't do motion capture, all animations are handcrafted.

I compare it to Tekken on some points, when in Tekken 3, you can see new characters like Xiaoyu or Hwoarang pretty well animated when old characters still have weird animations from Tekken 1 and Tekken 2... And they kept many of these strange animation until Tekken Tag 2, with a big update of animations. But even in Tekken 7 some animations from Tekken 1 are almost untouched.
Don't want to digress too much, but Namco knew that those old animations sucked. Tekken 1 and 2 had no motion data (3 was the first game to have it), they use mocap as a guide but everything is done by hand. They changed the ones that were most necessary (Flash Punch Combo is a good example), while keeping vital legacy attacks intact.
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Re: KoF XV
#1038  May 14, 2021, 02:45:48 am
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of all the characters trailers on kofxv, leona's my least favorite mainly because that's the 2nd time her current attire is still here
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#1039  May 14, 2021, 08:43:01 am
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So her story may revolve around Gaidel this time as a standalone plot.
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#1040  May 14, 2021, 09:00:25 am
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Considering he came back to life with Verse's defeat... yeah, I'm very eager to see her story in this one.