DIO Release (3/2/21)i decided to just release him already since i had him sitting there in my chars folder for long enough, idk what bugs it has but it'll definitely have some, i just haven't found any that break the char entirely. i'll go fix them if there are any found outside of my testing.downloadhttps://www.mediafire.com/file/oxjd4rylwbceg7v/DIO.zip/file
I'm obviously not a groove person, but I want to say your characters are pretty interesting with the unorthodox grooves. Reminds me of Sumi's Evil Ryu.On that note, maybe you could've named them in a way that doesn't overlap CvS2, to generate less confusion.I have some feedback:- Missing a Readme. Been a while since I tested a char based on the cmd file, hehe- SGS type inputs generally shouldn't allow negative edge- Bloody Summoning can combo from normals because P2 can't jump out of it- I haven't played HFTF in a long time, but Road Roller seems even slower than usual. Could hit overhead, too- If you block Road Roller it uses Mugen's default sparks. Misaligned, too- Feels weird to be able to block Space Ripper. But I can see where you're coming from- I noticed you allow special inputs to have a $U input at the end. The way Capcom games work instead is to allow specials (and supers) to interrupt jump start (state 40)- [State -2, Damage Dampen] causes a debug flood. Trigger 2 should be split so "numtarget" is in a separate line before the rest- Rolls should have a period of complete vulnerability at the end. Not sure if JoJo's were like that, but I think yours is supposed to be KOF/CvS style so I'm mentioning it- Debug messages about state 100000 changing into negative actions- The character in general has a lot of debug messages so I guess I won't go over all of them- EX Muda Rush is less useful than the normal version- Your implementation of the Stand On mode seems weaker than Stand Off, since you kept the weaknesses and removed the chains- Isn't Muda Rush supposed to cancel into Muda Smash in Stand On? Again I haven't played it in a while- Some Stand Off super cancels create two The Worlds on screen- It seems like Dizzy only kicks in when you're already about to win anyway- Since the DP motion in this char is a teleport, I think you should give it less input priority than QCF. One usually wants to walk forward and cancel a normal into Muda Rush/Smash, not a teleport- Some moves give back power during Tandem
JtheSaltyy said, March 03, 2022, 07:01:23 amDIO Release (3/2/21)i decided to just release him already since i had him sitting there in my chars folder for long enough, idk what bugs it has but it'll definitely have some, i just haven't found any that break the char entirely. i'll go fix them if there are any found outside of my testing.Pretty cool stuff, though I do have one question: What is QCBx2+K supposed to do? It does the Jojo super flash, but then the World just flies a short distance & doesn't really do anything, from what I can tell.
It's a game mechanic from JoJo's turned into a super. It lets you program the Stand to do a sequence of attacks on its own. Try inputting A, B, C during the super pause.
Not sure if intended but I actually prefer to be able to pick a specific groove to keep him in ; idk if you are scrapping that feature or not ...
PotS said, March 03, 2022, 10:05:59 pmIt's a game mechanic from JoJo's turned into a super. It lets you program the Stand to do a sequence of attacks on its own. Try inputting A, B, C during the super pause.Ahhh, I see it now. Still seems kind of odd with how abruptly it disappears during the move, but I get how it works now.Thank you, POTS. ^w^
PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Missing a Readme. Been a while since I tested a char based on the cmd file, heheforgot to add one but i did nowPotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- SGS type inputs generally shouldn't allow negative edge- Bloody Summoning can combo from normals because P2 can't jump out of itfixedPotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- I haven't played HFTF in a long time, but Road Roller seems even slower than usual. Could hit overhead, too- If you block Road Roller it uses Mugen's default sparks. Misaligned, tooIt does look a bit slow and react-able, i decreased start-up time, and added an overhead block property. Also fixed the block spark issue.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Feels weird to be able to block Space Ripper. But I can see where you're coming fromin source space ripper is unblockable and has a ton of active frames. in a setting like cvs2 with limited mobility i decided to remove the unblockable property, but i kept the very long active frames and still made it air unblockablePotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- I noticed you allow special inputs to have a $U input at the end. The way Capcom games work instead is to allow specials (and supers) to interrupt jump start (state 40)it's just an extra command that allowed for you to TK muda rush stand on, i dont use any buffer systems like explodsive so this was my next best option.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Rolls should have a period of complete vulnerability at the end. Not sure if JoJo's were like that, but I think yours is supposed to be KOF/CvS style so I'm mentioning iti forgot to add in the extra condition that made sure roll was vulnerable past animelem 10, thx for pointing that outPotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Debug messages about state 100000 changing into negative actions- The character in general has a lot of debug messages so I guess I won't go over all of themthis is a mix between idk when they happen and i cannot seem to fix them properly. the helper 100000 is actually meant for the tandem system that i made, unfortunately it used helper, id and it causes debug when there is no helper(id) in place so i really don't know what to do about that, im still trying to find a fix for it.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- EX Muda Rush is less useful than the normal versioni thought i made the startup far less and added i-frames but i didn't, i added them now though.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Your implementation of the Stand On mode seems weaker than Stand Off, since you kept the weaknesses and removed the chainswhile i did keep stand crashes and all that, DIO also has a 20% increase in defense Stand On and has normals that deal more damage as well as a strong stand guage. While removing the chains does somewhat kill some combos, there are still some chains. st.LP chains into itself, st.LP can chain cancel into st.MK, granted the window is pretty short, cr.LP can cancel into cr.MP and cr.MK, and st.MK can cancel into st.HK. They're not 100% accurate to HFTF source because the cancel windows are tighter but nonetheless they exist. Stand On DIO is meant for being more defensive than offensive, which is why his stand on normals are safer than stand off and being far slower than stand off. A longer than necessary explanation but that's kinda my thoughts on why I think stand on has its use.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Isn't Muda Rush supposed to cancel into Muda Smash in Stand On? Again I haven't played it in a whileYou are right, it is, but i just didn't want to include it because I had far different directions on what each special's use should be. Muda Rush being a safe approach tool and muda smash being a combo tool. I would also have to increase hitstun to make it possible for the cancel to combo and it might make Muda Rush a bit too safe. I do understand why ppl would question why the cancel is not there though.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Some Stand Off super cancels create two The Worlds on screenfixedPotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- It seems like Dizzy only kicks in when you're already about to win anywayWhen i tested that yeah it does feel like dizzy hits far too late. I decided to increase DIO's dizzy values for his moves so it is easier to land a dizzy while still needing to land a lot of hits in succession.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Since the DP motion in this char is a teleport, I think you should give it less input priority than QCF. One usually wants to walk forward and cancel a normal into Muda Rush/Smash, not a teleportfixed. what's funny about this is that i've seen many people in the HFTF community complain that when they land a knockdown as DIO and try to do the 50/50 muda rush okizeme they do teleport instead of the muda rush, so it's kinda in line with what you said. just thought that was a funny coincidence but yeah i fixed thatPotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pm- Some moves give back power during TandemfixedNess said, March 03, 2022, 10:25:51 pmNot sure if intended but I actually prefer to be able to pick a specific groove to keep him in ; idk if you are scrapping that feature or not ...I will keep it (i just forgot to add it to DIO), I thought it would be a good quality of life feature for those who would rather stick to one groove and aren't much of a groove guy.PotS said, March 03, 2022, 09:49:46 pmI'm obviously not a groove person, but I want to say your characters are pretty interesting with the unorthodox grooves. Reminds me of Sumi's Evil Ryu.On that note, maybe you could've named them in a way that doesn't overlap CvS2, to generate less confusion.The unorthodox grooves are intentional, I was mainly intending for my characters to be far more unique and incorporate features from games not too many people play, while still sorta keeping it like CvS2 with hitboxes, frame data, movement, mechanics, etc.When it comes to the name I dub my characters at the time I didn't know wtf to name them without sounding goofy, hell even the name I use now sounds kinda dumb, but at the time it sounded pretty nice and fitting. If I was to rename them now, idk what i would rename them to in order to create less confusion, I'll probably just remove the tagline altogether to title my threads.its kinda weird one of the very few ppl to give real extensive feedback for my characters happened to be you, im definitely going to plan a return to mugen in the future since many people are coming back, i just don't know when, but i think i regained the motivation to work at it again. good to see you return back to the scene again.
I copied and pasted from another character and was able to fix the said groove selection myself boss, enjoying him immensely!
JtheSaltyy said, March 04, 2022, 07:14:03 amit's just an extra command that allowed for you to TK muda rush stand on, i dont use any buffer systems like explodsive so this was my next best option.You don't need an input buffer to do things like that. If you do QCF + any directions + A, Mugen still registers the QCF+A.Quotewhile i did keep stand crashes and all that, DIO also has a 20% increase in defense Stand On and has normals that deal more damage as well as a strong stand guage. While removing the chains does somewhat kill some combos, there are still some chains. st.LP chains into itself, st.LP can chain cancel into st.MK, granted the window is pretty short, cr.LP can cancel into cr.MP and cr.MK, and st.MK can cancel into st.HK. They're not 100% accurate to HFTF source because the cancel windows are tighter but nonetheless they exist. Stand On DIO is meant for being more defensive than offensive, which is why his stand on normals are safer than stand off and being far slower than stand off. A longer than necessary explanation but that's kinda my thoughts on why I think stand on has its use.Oh. It makes sense then. Was hard to figure that out without a readme.
PotS said, March 04, 2022, 06:29:01 pmYou don't need an input buffer to do things like that. If you do QCF + any directions + A, Mugen still registers the QCF+A.i see. i'll probably just remove the $U from the muda rush command then if i can still get the same results. when i released ukyo, i recall someone giving me feedback on ukyo not being able to TK one of his specials and that was how i did it, but i didn't know that i needed to just keep it the same. thx for thatPotS said, March 04, 2022, 06:29:01 pmOh. It makes sense then. Was hard to figure that out without a readme.yeah i get you. the readme is there now though so hopefully there is no confusion regarding DIO's preferred playstyle and explanation of his stand on mode.
