M.U.G.E.N Central => M.U.G.E.N Discussion => Topic started by: Karl/Karla on September 17, 2021, 10:07:15 pm
Title: Challenge (not) Accepted 3!
Post by: Karl/Karla on September 17, 2021, 10:07:15 pm
I mention Saki Omokane specifically because (unless Darkflare finds an exploit) HOLY SHIT IS SHE BROKEN. Can someone please vouch for me and tell me I'm not crazy?
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: AuMiO VXC on September 18, 2021, 08:33:28 am
lol why not shinsmoke on the list? also ikaruga, tobikage, yuki etc
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: Uzuki Shimamura on September 18, 2021, 11:43:37 am
Umm.. I don't think Saki Omokane (w/ Holn's AI) is broken.
Have you ever tested Nateruo's AI patches for Muteki's Guilty Gear characters? Like Order Sol, Zato, Justice, etc.
Oh and about KONG's MvC characters, they're way more broken comparing to other versions we've used.
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: Karl/Karla on September 18, 2021, 02:13:21 pm
Umm.. I don't think Saki Omokane (w/ Holn's AI) is broken.
Have you ever tested Nateruo's AI patches for Muteki's Guilty Gear characters? Like Order Sol, Zato, Justice, etc.
Oh and about KONG's MvC characters, they're way more broken comparing to other versions we've used.
Again, I find myself having subjective opinions. I swear (again), she was nearly untouchable for me. Also, do "Nateruo's AI patches" make muteki's chars harder or easier?
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: Mr. Fael on September 18, 2021, 03:53:24 pm
Ah Kong, some of his Pocket/Gem fighter characters actually can't take damage even if you hit them. (Not sure if it's a thing with his other stuff.)
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: Karl/Karla on September 22, 2021, 01:21:00 am
^KONG A.I. vs. Kaz A.I. Who has the most bullshit A.I.? Find out in this surprising video!
^^Ya'll mind if I put this here or should I post this in the video thread?
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: Darkflare on October 07, 2021, 10:44:13 am
Of course you found an exploit.... Why am I even surprised?
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 2!
Post by: Amidweiz on October 11, 2021, 09:56:41 pm
I mean most AIs in mugen and even in commercial fighting games tend to get exploited by the same strategies
unblockable attacks
attacks with weird properties (E.G air lows, crouching highs)
tick throws
whiff punishing unsafe moves as in the case for saki
counter spam
chainable command grabs from blocked normals
chipping out an AI endlessly if they don't stop blocking
long normals
projectile spam
0th frame attacks (in mugen anyways, Ikemen GO allows these to be blocked)
I'm sure there is more entry points for exploiting the AI but the main rule of thumb is, treat the AI like an AI, not like a human. They tend to be programmed against that. Also most people who do these AI beatdowns don't give you the first take on challenging the AI since some people think that's the case.
Also I don't think there needed to be a second thread of this considering you can reset the poll at the top with new data
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 3!
Post by: Karl/Karla on December 12, 2021, 01:47:25 am
New poll! I voted for Brergrsart because his chars are undoubtedly frustrating to fight. A notable example for me right now is How Are You? That character gives you NO time to breathe.
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 3!
Post by: 無限の監視者 on December 12, 2021, 05:48:37 am
I believe it was mentioned that Brergrsart made his characters for SpriteClub and not for normal playing. Yeah, they're intentionally broken.
Title: Re: Challenge (not) Accepted 3!
Post by: Karl/Karla on December 12, 2021, 07:24:05 am