Powerlevels have been bullshit for ages. You had to stop paying attention to those during the buu saga or you'd go nuts.Still don't like the characterisations. I look back at goku's selflessness over the course of DBZ and it's just not here. Honestly, for the first time i'd prefer Vegeta was in the limelight. Over the course of DBZ i considered him a complete idiot and the reason for half the problems they had. In this, he's actually interesting, but they've kinda turned him into DBZ piccolo.I am on the zamasu arc right now. Start of this is boring as fuck. Hoping it picks up a bit, the tournament was pretty interesting.
Tournament had actually one of my favorite bits of characterization for Goku,Hit tells him that they are the God's playthings.Goku replies "For now.". Thats actually really close to the whole Monkey King origin mentality, What were your favorite bits of the tournament?
Cyanide said, January 31, 2017, 08:27:04 amPowerlevels have been bullshit for ages. You had to stop paying attention to those during the buu saga or you'd go nuts.I always said that power levels stopped mattering when scouters(or any other power reading equipment) stopped being able to read them in a fashion such as with numbers, which is near the end of the Freeza Saga.
Even with scouters they were bullshit. Like Vegeta and then later GInyu said, relying on the readings that a scouter gives only throws you off (but even GInyu loses his shit when he sees a 180k reading). Though I do like how the first and last readings for scouters are both 5.
With the return of Frieza We have seen Sorbet using the scouter. It makes me really wonder why they never got to update those scouters as his explodes aswell.
Koop said, January 31, 2017, 11:12:07 pmEven with scouters they were bullshit. Like Vegeta and then later GInyu said, relying on the readings that a scouter gives only throws you off (but even GInyu loses his shit when he sees a 180k reading). Though I do like how the first and last readings for scouters are both 5.Well, if that's the case, concealing power only really mattered once anyone being read realized that they needed to conceal it in the first place. That would mean that scouters were useless as of the Z-fighters meeting Nappa and Vegeta. In fact, I think Vegeta mentioned it shortly after they met the others face to face. Though now that I think about it, the scouters did bring up something interesting when Jeice read Ginyu-Goku's power level. Being that it capped out after whatever it was, brought up that there may have been different types of power generation, potentially similar to how "god" ki can't be easily read by someone other than a god without proper training.
Hoshi said, February 01, 2017, 10:51:21 pmthe scouters did bring up something interesting when Jeice read Ginyu-Goku's power level. Being that it capped out after whatever it was, brought up that there may have been different types of power generation, potentially similar to how "god" ki can't be easily read by someone other than a god without proper training.Uh no, that was just very explicitly saying that Ginyu even in Goku's body was unable to bring out Goku's power the same way as him. That has nothing to do with how no one (except gods) can feel the god ki, different forms of energy or such.
Byakko said, February 01, 2017, 11:01:20 pmUh no, that was just very explicitly saying that Ginyu even in Goku's body was unable to bring out Goku's power the same way as him. That has nothing to do with how no one (except gods) can feel the god ki, different forms of energy or such.Ah. Maybe I missed that part. It's been half a decade since I had seen or read that portion of DBZ.
Goku used Kaiohken in the fight against the Ginyu Force, Ginyu saw that power and wanted to take it, but when he switched, he didn't know how to actually use Kaiohken. I think Vegeta made fun of him for not thinking of how hard Goku had trained for that multiplier, talking about taking over the body but not the heart, or something along those lines. I remember it wasn't phrased too well, but in context just after Kaiohken, it was pretty obvious.
Isn't the kaoken a multiplier boost sort move? How is it read or detectable if it isnt actually a true power level? Only power within The Characters are readable maybe.
no, the scooters detect the current power level, not the latent, potentail or whatever thing you want to imply. transformations, multipliers and even pulling out a fucking gun are enough to modify the power level reading.
I have no idea how you could possibly come up with the idea that a multiplier can't be read by the scouters. The first fight that has Kaiohken against Nappa and Vegeta shows them see his power explode when he uses it.
yah, iirc the very first example of scooter usage is a guy having a level of 1 then pull out a shotgun and have his level skyrocket to like 6
Does that mean clothes also make the power levels bigger?wow,what a bullshit.Omega said, February 03, 2017, 02:57:00 amIsn't the kaoken a multiplier boost sort move? How is it read or detectable if it isnt actually a true power level? I started to doubt that its a multiplier,since Goku can't even come close to Beerus with KaiokenX10 Blue or Beerus is strong as he needs to be?
What? but its been stated many times now that Kaioken multiplies the users power by how ever many X's they can manage hence the X2, X3, X10 etc.
Bastard Mami said, February 03, 2017, 05:22:33 pmyah, iirc the very first example of scooter usage is a guy having a level of 1 then pull out a shotgun and have his level skyrocket to like 6Just checked to make sure, the farmer had his shotgun before Raditz came out, his power level was 5 from start to finish. I really don't think weapons and cloths affect the power level. But Kaiohken definitely does, I'm pretty sure that the Ginyu fight shows Jeice pissing himself watching Goku go red (and then Ginyu in Goku's body doesn't grow as strong because he's not using Kaiohken).As for Beerus, he actually gave a percentage of the power he used to hold off SSJGod Goku. Checked that too, Whis says Beerus used nearly 70% of his power. And going Blue still wasn't enough - which is a little odd since SSJ multiplier is like 50, right ? So SSGod to SSBlue should normally have the same multiplier... Unless it doesn't, or unless that 70% number was retconned since the movie (dunno if the anime repeated it). Makes you wonder why they even invented the Blue form in the first place.Also SSBlue + Kaiohken is anime filler garbage, don't even take it into account in any calculation.
