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Started by Fausto Mugen, February 19, 2018, 03:16:15 pm
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Voice options for Vega

Keep the CvS2/SFA3 voice
15 (40.5%)
Change to the USFIV/SFV voice (japanese only)
0 (0%)
Change to the USFIV/SFV voice (english only)
0 (0%)
Create separate downloadable snd files to switch between the three voices
13 (35.1%)
Include the three voices inside the snd file, select the voice using a variable
9 (24.3%)

Total Members Voted: 36

Voting closed: October 03, 2019, 02:37:27 pm

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Emerie The G.O.A.T

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#81  September 21, 2019, 09:57:43 am
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This Vega is absolutely amazing! Question... why people call him Balrog in the Asian region?
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DeathScythe

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#82  September 21, 2019, 10:17:30 am
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Godlike Emerie said, September 21, 2019, 09:57:43 am
This Vega is absolutely amazing! Question... why people call him Balrog in the Asian region?

Because that is how he was originally called, since Street Fighter was created in Japan.
When the game was ported to USA, they changed the names to avoid copyright issues with Mike Tyson and Mike Bison (boxer), he became Balrog, Balrog became Vega and Vega became Bison.
Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 10:49:34 am by DeathScythe

Emerie The G.O.A.T

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
New #83  September 25, 2019, 09:05:24 pm
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DeathScythe said, September 21, 2019, 10:17:30 am
Godlike Emerie said, September 21, 2019, 09:57:43 am
This Vega is absolutely amazing! Question... why people call him Balrog in the Asian region?

Because that is how he was originally called, since Street Fighter was created in Japan.
When the game was ported to USA, they changed the names to avoid copyright issues with Mike Tyson and Mike Bison (boxer), he became Balrog, Balrog became Vega and Vega became Bison.

Wow! Okay, when I make Bison well... Vega, I'mma put CPS2 Dictator (PotS Style) so no one can get confused

Sorry for going off topic
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Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 09:19:33 pm by Emerie the Goat

Fausto Mugen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#84  October 03, 2019, 03:49:30 pm
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Wow, it seems a lot of people don't like the USFIV voice of Vega xD.
Maybe I will release some patch for the voice (fourth option in the poll), but it will not be a priority for now.

Thanks for the interest in the char, there will be news soon.

Tickle Nuts

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#85  October 04, 2019, 12:44:05 am
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I'm greener than grass here. Wth is "pots" style not being rude just curious. I see it plastered everywhere in MUGEN but never bothered to look.

DeathScythe

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#86  October 04, 2019, 12:51:13 am
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Fausto Mugen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#87  October 18, 2019, 03:49:16 pm
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[Google Translate]

[Update 2019/10/18]



- Added more palettes by sabockee.
- Added roll forwards (incomplete, lack of sprites) and roll backwards.
- Added crouching medium punch and crouching strong punch.
- Rolling Crystal Flash done (normal and EX version).
- Added Izuna Drop (normal and EX version).
- Added Rolling Izuna Drop (level 1 and level 2).
- Various fixes.
- Updated "Readme.txt" file
- Color separation progress: 1253 sprites done from 1474 (85,01% done).

Download spritepack and char for testing in the first post.

RagingRowen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#88  October 18, 2019, 04:25:39 pm
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Ok so,
- Scarlet Terror doesn't need charging.
- His Sky-High and Flying Barcelona moves don't behave correctly on Mugen 1.1 Zoom stages.
- Back Slash should probably have a config to be 3 buttons or 2 becuase you could probably do a throw by accident with it being 2 buttons.
- MAX Scarlet Mirage:
 1. Lacks swing sounds on the last 2 flips.
 2. The delay between the last 2 flips is a bit short compared to the first one.
 3. The last flip could do with a second hit, but not right after its first hit.
WIP Schedule:
The next Street Fighter All-Stars update

extravagant

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#89  October 20, 2019, 03:22:13 am
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CvS2 Claw is the most dangerous Claw the world as ever seen in SF games. If you want to make a decent and crazy good one, make sure you follow the CvS2 one mostly. I have a lot of friends who are pro players in CvS2 who love using Claw, and won tournaments and went to EVO. Many of them say CvS2 Claw is the definitive version. Many also don't like him in SF4.

You should make all of his moves somewhat close to a roll cancel if you want to make him really good. CvS2 Claw is ridiculously good..... watch any CvS2 videos on Claw and he is easily super top tier in CvS2.
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Fausto Mugen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#90  March 12, 2020, 03:44:29 pm
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[Google Translate]

It's not a "big update", but I wanted to upload it to show some progress.

[Update 2020/03/12]

- Added "lock camera" helpers for Flying Barcelona moves (specials and supers): now this moves should work better in zoomed stages.
- Added standing medium kick and standing strong kick: all normals done.
- Added more sprites for "Piece of Mercury".
- Various fixes.
- Updated "Readme.txt" file
- Color separation progress: 1287 sprites done from 1474 (87,31% done).

Download spritepack and char for testing in the first post.

Mushypepito123

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#91  March 13, 2020, 03:11:28 pm
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Fausto Mugen said, March 12, 2020, 03:44:29 pm
[Google Translate]

It's not a "big update", but I wanted to upload it to show some progress.

[Update 2020/03/12]

- Added "lock camera" helpers for Flying Barcelona moves (specials and supers): now this moves should work better in zoomed stages.
- Added standing medium kick and standing strong kick: all normals done.
- Added more sprites for "Piece of Mercury".
- Various fixes.
- Updated "Readme.txt" file
- Color separation progress: 1287 sprites done from 1474 (87,31% done).

Download spritepack and char for testing in the first post.

holy, it has been months since we last heard this Project from you Fausto! i'm glad that you're still working..!

PeXXeR

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#92  March 13, 2020, 04:10:06 pm
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His hitboxes are a bit too chunky the standing one is super wide.
The EX moves look identical to the normal ones  for the charge moves on the punch buttons I would increase the speed as well.
Im not a Vega player and whatnot and barely know the char however I would suggest making the ex moves worth spending the bar for.

RagingRowen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#93  March 13, 2020, 04:26:53 pm
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New feedback:
1. I can't seem to Super Cancel into Scarlet Mirage, yet I can cancel into the MAX version just fine.
2. His Slams (e.g. Rainbow Suplex and the Rolling Izuna Drops) don't use the right Sound. 820,2 in Jmorphman's Guile for example is the correct sound.
3. Bloody High Claw doesn't work well with 1.1 Stages with Zoom. https://streamable.com/dc9lg I'd suggest having P2 fall back down again for the state after being hit by the knee to prevent what's shown.
WIP Schedule:
The next Street Fighter All-Stars update

Fausto Mugen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#94  March 13, 2020, 05:30:39 pm
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PeXXeR said, March 13, 2020, 04:10:06 pm
His hitboxes are a bit too chunky the standing one is super wide.
The EX moves look identical to the normal ones  for the charge moves on the punch buttons I would increase the speed as well.
Im not a Vega player and whatnot and barely know the char however I would suggest making the ex moves worth spending the bar for.

- Hitboxes are based on rei's Vega, except Bloody High Claw, Remove Claw and Mask, EX versions of Sky-High Claw,  knee hit of EX Flying Barcelona moves. Hitboxes for this moves are based on USFIV.

- EX moves have more damage than the normals, EX Flying Barcelona moves have a knee hit which could be chained in a combo with the rest of the move.

RagingRowen said, March 13, 2020, 04:26:53 pm
New feedback:
1. I can't seem to Super Cancel into Scarlet Mirage, yet I can cancel into the MAX version just fine.
2. His Slams (e.g. Rainbow Suplex and the Rolling Izuna Drops) don't use the right Sound. 820,2 in Jmorphman's Guile for example is the correct sound.
3. Bloody High Claw doesn't work well with 1.1 Stages with Zoom. https://streamable.com/dc9lg I'd suggest having P2 fall back down again for the state after being hit by the knee to prevent what's shown.


1. Cancels, combos, and other features based on .cmd file are not implemented yet.
2. I'm going to review it.
3. Interesting. What char and stage did you use? I'm going to review it too, along with the other feedbacks.

RagingRowen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#95  March 13, 2020, 05:35:29 pm
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Margatroid and Beterhans' SFIV Training with zoomout = 0.6
WIP Schedule:
The next Street Fighter All-Stars update

Speedpreacher

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#96  March 13, 2020, 06:20:22 pm
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Fausto Mugen said, March 13, 2020, 05:30:39 pm
- Hitboxes are based on rei's Vega, except Bloody High Claw, Remove Claw and Mask, EX versions of Sky-High Claw,  knee hit of EX Flying Barcelona moves. Hitboxes for this moves are based on USFIV.

As an impartial observer, the hitboxes on rei's Vega are at best outdated and at worst and most likely subpar guesswork
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Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 07:04:36 pm by Speedpreacher

MCX

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#97  March 13, 2020, 10:36:56 pm
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Fausto Mugen said, March 13, 2020, 05:30:39 pm
- Hitboxes are based on rei's Vega, except Bloody High Claw, Remove Claw and Mask, EX versions of Sky-High Claw,  knee hit of EX Flying Barcelona moves. Hitboxes for this moves are based on USFIV.

I would sugest using N64-Mario's Vega for the hitboxes or at least based on USFIV
Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 10:58:03 pm by MCX

RagingRowen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#98  March 13, 2020, 10:39:00 pm
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WIP Schedule:
The next Street Fighter All-Stars update

Fausto Mugen

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#99  March 13, 2020, 11:08:50 pm
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Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 11:50:10 pm by Fausto Mugen

PeXXeR

Re: Vega (Claw/Balrog) from CvS2 (Memo POTS Template)
#100  March 14, 2020, 12:36:01 am
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RagingRowen said, March 13, 2020, 05:35:29 pm
Margatroid and Beterhans' SFIV Training with zoomout = 0.6

This is your fault tbh .6 zoomout is insane.
I use .9 and .8 and i dont have issues like that.

As for the EX moves its up to you. Combo extender is pretty much useless if you cant land it. The extra damage should be given as well tbh.
I suggest defo speeding them up a tad bit.

Adding the CVS2 hitboxes will be a huge benefit for the char as well. good to see you are considering it.

Don't be afraid to buff the char or express your tastes. Look at what jman did to king. She was hot garbage in CVS2 and the Jman made her very fun to use.
Last Edit: March 14, 2020, 12:39:58 am by PeXXeR
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