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Warnings v2 (Read 2942009 times)

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Rajaa Retired

Re: Warnings v2
#1461  February 12, 2013, 04:32:26 pm
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For only posting to incite unnecessary debates? For being on a short leash after having all 3 of his alternate accounts merged? For spamming the same thing over and over again (not sure if the random topic counts).

Seriously, check his post history. All of his posts are direct attacks at people for no reason at all. Someone who doesn't mature after 5 years isn't ever going to mature without some kind of actual help -- he's out of ours hands and I wouldn't even be adverse to permanent ban. And no leniency with the alternate accounts when he makes another one, which he will.

Person Man

Re: Warnings v2
#1462  February 12, 2013, 04:33:17 pm
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This has been a long time coming, honestly.  This was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Also, he immediately attempted a ban evade.  I've already taken the liberty of banning the new account.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/remi8988-81391

Mog

Re: Warnings v2
#1463  February 12, 2013, 04:38:25 pm
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Thats not even the random thread, thats the shit thread.  Why are people even going in that thread to expect any kind of meaningful posting at all.  Seriously?  You are going to start banning people for being stupid in the thread specifically started for shit posting?

Iced

Re: Warnings v2
#1464  February 12, 2013, 04:40:56 pm
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The thread isnt meant to "post shit here" its meant to fuse sub par threads so they dont fill up the rest of the section but you still dont delete anyone posting a "random" thread.

he had 3 accounts he used for "trolling" merged and told to behave better from now on. His reaction to me talking to him after trying again "to troll" ( very badly) was to start spamming the same post over and over again.
read the post bellow again. read his posts too.
13  might be too much, but he was warned.
Rajaa said, February 12, 2013, 04:32:26 pm
For only posting to incite unnecessary debates? For being on a short leash after having all 3 of his alternate accounts merged? For spamming the same thing over and over again (not sure if the random topic counts).

Seriously, check his post history. All of his posts are direct attacks at people for no reason at all. Someone who doesn't mature after 5 years isn't ever going to mature without some kind of actual help -- he's out of ours hands and I wouldn't even be adverse to permanent ban. And no leniency with the alternate accounts when he makes another one, which he will.

GOH

Re: Warnings v2
#1465  February 12, 2013, 04:43:13 pm
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Person Man

Re: Warnings v2
#1466  February 12, 2013, 04:43:25 pm
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MissBHaven said, February 12, 2013, 04:38:25 pm
Thats not even the random thread, thats the shit thread.  Why are people even going in that thread to expect any kind of meaningful posting at all.  Seriously?  You are going to start banning people for being stupid in the thread specifically started for shit posting?

It's not just the shit thread.  It's every thread he posts in.  His posts are almost exclusively composed of unwarranted, unprovoked attacks on other users.  He constantly goes out of his way to stir shit up wherever he can, then waits for people to respond so he can reply "ha ha you reacted lol i troll u."

Iced

Re: Warnings v2
#1467  February 12, 2013, 04:43:39 pm
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it means, its now a permaban.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1468  February 12, 2013, 04:45:30 pm
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There are limits to how you can shit post as well. The way he does it is too over the edge. And gets on the nerves of the users. He does it outside of that thread as well. It just happens this time was within that thread. I don't think this forum wants to encourage any area that's completely free to spam and incite in. Once you start treating it like Random Insanity it gets too far :P

Mog

Re: Warnings v2
#1469  February 12, 2013, 08:02:28 pm
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And I guess we are no longer banning for 3 days then discussing.  Nice to know.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1470  February 12, 2013, 08:09:23 pm
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I don't think there's a need to discuss banning someone, who's been banned permanently before for the same reasons.

Rajaa Retired

Re: Warnings v2
#1471  February 12, 2013, 08:38:11 pm
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MissBHaven said, February 12, 2013, 08:02:28 pm
And I guess we are no longer banning for 3 days then discussing.  Nice to know.
Iced already discussed this with him and the deal was: don't be yourself (being himself is equivalent to being horrible), or get banned again. He should have not even been allowed back in the first place, now that I think about it. Three accounts and being a troublemaker throughout all of them. We've been too lax on making decisions and stuff, even on some really basic levels; it's the extreme of the exact opposite of intolerance.

Your constant opposition to every decision is more obnoxious than it is helpful. You can let the gimmick go, we will still like you if you don't oppose everything.

Iced

Re: Warnings v2
#1472  February 12, 2013, 09:04:54 pm
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he is still only banned for a period of time, you can give reasons for or against his permaban now I guess.
That he started doing new accounts once he got banned the first time to push the spam says a lot imo.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1473  February 12, 2013, 09:41:25 pm
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I agree with hjk's ban, but we still need to follow procedure (ban 3 days, discuss)

Iced said, February 12, 2013, 04:40:56 pm
13  might be too much, but he was warned.
With his history a year sounds fair. But, with all these attempts at ban evasions, a permaban is probably the way to go. He has shown throughout his time here that he will make no effort towards improving and interacting with other users. He's had chances to do so, and he's refused them all.

KiwiRobutts said, February 12, 2013, 08:09:23 pm
I don't think there's a need to discuss banning someone, who's been banned permanently before for the same reasons.
There is absolutely a need to do so; we all agreed to put into place that banning system, and it applies to everyone. No matter what.

Iced said, February 12, 2013, 09:04:54 pm
he is still only banned for a period of time, you can give reasons for or against his permaban now I guess.
That's not the same thing at all. The three day thing was for determining whether the ban should stay in place and what length it should be. So too should have happened to hjk, no matter what his history was.

But yeah he clearly is in full troll mode now, so I say permaban the cretin.

Person Man

Re: Warnings v2
#1474  February 12, 2013, 09:51:57 pm
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Yeah, I don't think anyone's going to object to giving HJK the boot for good (well, maybe MissB, but she's staring to seem to be opposed to ever banning anyone for anything, ever), but in the future we should probably abide by the 3-days/consensus method more strictly.

Cyanide

Re: Warnings v2
#1475  February 12, 2013, 09:55:03 pm
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I'd like to side track the discussion a bit here. Just in terms of ban lengths and what they should be for so we as a group can do things with less discussion aside from perma ban.

3 days: This should be the slap on the wrist for a first offence after due warning or for a more serious first offence (i'm mostly thinking in terms of illegal software or porn for this side of things)
1 week: you've had the 3 day ban, you've just continued your faults after coming back, we are serious
1 month: For properly serious offences like harassment or spam from users who were normal up to this point.
6 months: This i believe should be the longest expiring ban we have. This would come from shock images, posting illegal software intentionally in a way designed to actually get it out there.

In all the above situations spam bots are exempt, these should basically be deleted on sight. All of this can be changed, in fact please do argue about this. If we can say "In this situation the ban length should be this" we're going to be able to manage all the shit we go through each time much better. Perma bans should still be discussed, but it means we're all on the same page for how long a ban should be on the minor offences so we don't go through people disagreeing with a ban length when people hurl 3 weeks at someone who's simply done a bit of shitposting.

I think if you're banning someone for a year or what have you we should be discussing permanent ban.


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Re: Warnings v2
#1476  February 12, 2013, 10:38:38 pm
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I like the sound of that.  I do have one think I think we might add to it, though.  It's something I've considered doing myself a few times before, but I never did because I wasn't sure if anyone else would agree with me about it.  But hey, as long as we're talking about this:

What would you guys think about a policy on short, 24-hour bans as a way of trying to diffuse potential shitstorms?  Say an argument sparks up that starts getting really heated and personal.  Would it be a bad idea to step in and ban the offending user(s) for a single day to sort of force them to take a step back and calm themselves down?  That way, we could sort of get in ahead of the game before things get more out of hand and more drastic actions need to be taken. 

Obviously, I'm not talking about banning someone anytime they argue with someone else.  I'm talking about extreme cases where it looks like things could easily get a lot worse if left unchecked.  For example, that incident a few days ago where RobotMonkeyHead completely lost his shit over something Rajaa said.  That got really ugly really quickly, and I wonder if it couldn't have been made easier if the people in question were made to stop posting altogether and take some time to collect themselves.

What do you think?  Is that too much?

Jmorphman

Re: Warnings v2
#1477  February 12, 2013, 10:48:08 pm
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Re: Warnings v2
#1478  February 12, 2013, 11:29:45 pm
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Keep HJK banned.

Cyanide said, February 12, 2013, 09:55:03 pm
3 days: This should be the slap on the wrist for a first offence after due warning or for a more serious first offence (i'm mostly thinking in terms of illegal software or porn for this side of things)
1 week: you've had the 3 day ban, you've just continued your faults after coming back, we are serious
1 month: For properly serious offences like harassment or spam from users who were normal up to this point.

Sounds alright.

Cyanide said, February 12, 2013, 09:55:03 pm
6 months: This i believe should be the longest expiring ban we have. This would come from shock images, posting illegal software intentionally in a way designed to actually get it out there.

Something like that should warrant a perma ban.

I also want multi-accountting to be ban worthy. Don'tlike the current model of: "Oh lol, you had multiple accounts. It's alright, we'regonna merge them and act like you're not a douchebag!". It's basically giving people one consequence-free chance to do something stupid.

Person Man said, February 12, 2013, 10:38:38 pm
What do you think?  Is that too much?

Yes. Stopping a 'potential' shitstorm is babysitting, not moderating. If you think a discussion is heading in the wrong direction then split + merge + think of a witty title for the shit thread.

Cyanide

Re: Warnings v2
#1479  February 12, 2013, 11:36:07 pm
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I'm only posting suggestions. I am stating a ban people can come back from and thinking about what would constitute an offence serious enough to achieve that. I don't see shitposting as the same problem the rest of you do as it doesn't annoy me nearly as much.

Talk around, change the lengths, decide what should merit those lengths. Then we can post a little guidance thread for all of us so when someone breaks a rule and it's going to get them banned we look at the list and apply the sensible option. That way nobody should be querying how long a ban is, or should be. Stupid things like 8 months, or 2 years etc. If someone is getting banned for 2 years it might as well be permanent. How much should a ban evasion extend a 3 day ban for, or a 1 week. That sort of shit.


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Re: Warnings v2
#1480  February 12, 2013, 11:38:59 pm
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Nagai's B^U said, February 12, 2013, 11:29:45 pm
It's basically giving people one consequence-free chance to do something stupid.
I don't think it's that bad to give people something like this. If they keep doing it, then we'll just ban them. People make mistakes, and if they learn from them, they become better people.
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