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Art & Entertainment => Fighting Games => Topic started by: Magma MK-II on December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 PM

Title: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 06, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
The King of Fighters XV is being prepared for 2020 and is using the Unreal Engine.

(http://img.ruliweb.net/data/news19/12m/05/multi/snk18.jpg)

And It’s not certain, but MAYBE we can have KOF XIV in Xbox One and Switch in the future.

(http://img.ruliweb.com/data/news19/12m/05/multi/snk17.jpg)

Sources: https://twitter.com/TeamPowerGeyser/status/1070185155409661952

https://twitter.com/TeamPowerGeyser/status/1070385756965879808

https://twitter.com/gatoray_kof/status/1070505141772607488?s=19

Might as well start a new topic for this.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on December 06, 2018, 01:58:25 PM
I might wanna cross finger for the ash saga dream match just like kof98 and kof2002. NDSilva has already planned a roster for it in his Mugen project: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/the-king-fighters-uncanny-match-185463.0.html but it include SNK vs. Capcom Chaos and Neogeo Battle Coliseum in it  :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 06, 2018, 06:22:01 PM
I know its confirmed, but I still think is really early for you to make a topic, after all, if its for 2020, its likely in early stages of development.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Retro Respecter on December 06, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
I'd have to agree. We don't even know who made the cut.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on December 06, 2018, 11:50:35 PM
Wait everyone, there are plans for a brand new Metal Slug game? Am I seeing it right!? o_O



I might wanna cross finger for the ash saga dream match just like kof98 and kof2002. NDSilva has already planned a roster for it in his Mugen project: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/the-king-fighters-uncanny-match-185463.0.html but it include SNK vs. Capcom Chaos and Neogeo Battle Coliseum in it  :P
Just the chars that are related to KoF :P (and maybe Cyber Woo)

...thinking about it, how much work would it really be if they just make use of the KoF XIV engine/assets, for a dream match of this kind?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 07, 2018, 12:46:05 AM
much more work than if they got back the UM team and sprited the new originla exclusive character in kof 14 to the old kof (mvs) style.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on December 07, 2018, 03:49:11 AM
I might wanna cross finger for the ash saga dream match just like kof98 and kof2002.

Well....

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Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on December 07, 2018, 05:14:16 AM
maybe, but I was thinking like maybe they might did the same to the ash saga for kof12 being a dream match like after kof11 event then in kof13, they focus on the last ash saga :P anyway, it sounds good if they continue with the verse saga though
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: crimson_snow on December 10, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
I expect this to be announced in KOF's 25th Anniversary on August 2019.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Nightwalker on July 24, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
Interesting, I would like to take a look
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 24, 2019, 11:12:02 PM
Interesting, I would like to take a look
Are you stupid?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on July 25, 2019, 01:04:07 AM
Interesting, I would like to take a look
Are you stupid?
Alright I’m getting tired of your edgy shtick. Tone it down I’m only warning you once.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on July 26, 2019, 08:32:56 AM
It's not even confirmed.
Why even bother?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 26, 2019, 05:29:11 PM
Yeah, the only semi-relevant kof news we have gotten lately is that we will have nests kyo, female billy, female yashiro and female/loli chang for snk gals fighters kof all stars.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 26, 2019, 06:52:33 PM
Yeah, the only semi-relevant kof news we have gotten lately is that we will have nests kyo, female billy, female yashiro and female/loli chang for snk gals fighters kof all stars.
Also, we have KoF For Girls, which is a dating sim. Btw, don't you mean Lily instead of female Billy? She is his actual sister, I think.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 26, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
Nope, female billy .

https://mmoculture.com/2019/07/the-king-of-fighters-allstar-japan-server-reveals-new-female-skins-for-1st-anniversary-celebrations/
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2019/jul/24/king-fighters-all-star-adding-tekken-characters-crossover-campaign-along-female-versions-billy-kane-chang-and-yashiro-nanakase/

(https://mmoculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-King-of-Fighters-Allstar-Japan-server-1st-anniversary-new-female-skins.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on August 05, 2019, 01:20:00 AM
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1158138641253691392
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on August 05, 2019, 01:31:52 AM
(https://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/EBKI8qkUIAEmO07.jpg)

Hopefully they won't show any game footage too early until they feel confident of releasing it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on August 05, 2019, 01:36:59 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on August 05, 2019, 01:38:41 AM
 :nuttrox: .
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on August 05, 2019, 01:41:19 AM
Hopefully they won't show any game footage too early until they feel confident of releasing it.
I know people will bitch about everything they see even when they know it's still in progress, but the gaming community should really be aware of what development in progress means by now. I'd love to see game makers post obvious beta snapshots of their work every now and then without going through marketing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on May 26, 2020, 06:36:27 PM
This appeared on Facebook today, on a page called Mexico SNK, to me it looks fake, but we never know, supposedly a KOF XV proto/demo thing.



(https://scontent.ftij2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100581749_3086924614663948_7720086315923931136_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_eui2=AeG0Aq-9J7U2EjROWU6LDHadUEhVkf_2LqVQSFWR__YupY97pece1pdhUsHsqnf4PrHLtLVVA6V4fkGFtuqnawV4&_nc_ohc=QgHMI1qhOCEAX--Fgih&_nc_ht=scontent.ftij2-1.fna&oh=3c8ea748ca8cfa82a73d083d508f88e6&oe=5EF28E9E)
(https://scontent.ftij2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100508766_3086924664663943_2677033178358611968_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_eui2=AeE5PnRoGC5k0S-NnCYoWqYeygCf0cYOF5fKAJ_Rxg4XlypY9_-JuvDZEi3-X5cWnxSq7XWSpT6wyIrmFayRobKP&_nc_ohc=nVo0_rJEBJYAX9NTALs&_nc_ht=scontent.ftij2-1.fna&oh=b9e75193874ce8a9957a1a36c10dc4cc&oe=5EF1CC40)
(https://scontent.ftij2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100660995_3086924674663942_3021358735088943104_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_eui2=AeHyRi8Jy6Wg9z_eBKWqROx8qeYynpCSxrKp5jKekJLGsgFh4rFv7MSjyLNr0R9wqXTMusrF9Nz-hA34yGANoiWt&_nc_ohc=CLDWOfIkTxgAX_RjFqq&_nc_ht=scontent.ftij2-1.fna&oh=09bf7bd307d5a0018f7d01293f51162f&oe=5EF33A60)
(https://scontent.ftij2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100636302_3086924731330603_4524047378256232448_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_eui2=AeGW5XMAYSeERs4UOMbARAzb0Zhkj3r9oB7RmGSPev2gHru_beTwHD2Gl4tymzwYzXqjQfdNs591JQO2HZWIm6BW&_nc_ohc=9doCOgjsuv8AX9g_7Av&_nc_ht=scontent.ftij2-1.fna&oh=3e13c719185eb99e7ed337d4ab391237&oe=5EF3DAFF)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: RagingRowen on May 26, 2020, 07:01:14 PM
Just looks like a simple Mock-up, seeing the stock backgrounds.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 26, 2020, 09:55:57 PM
Yes, these are all fanart.

People have been starving so much for news lately that they're believing every fake leak that shows up. A Brazilian fanpage even managed to fool people into believing they were official and spread quite some fake news before being unmasked.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bad Mr. Basara on May 28, 2020, 06:07:22 PM
More than the backgrounds, what attracted me are the lifebars, they look legit to me (even for a fake)

I thought there would be some news here about the possible leaks about this game. The most sounded for me was the roster leak, which was discussed, especially in Latin American groups, I don't know if you got something about that

Now I found one with a supposely separated Story Mode apart of the Arcade Mode, like Injustice/new MKs or SFV (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/253394-the-king-of-fighters-xv/78622744) (original source here, in Japanese (https://www.reddit.com/r/SNK/comments/g62waw/kof_xv_real_leak/))
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 28, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
(original source here, in Japanese (https://www.reddit.com/r/SNK/comments/g62waw/kof_xv_real_leak/))
This is tries to be written like an actual press statement, except it's supposed to be a leak (and it has super weird phrasings). And it says absolutely nothing of interest. Fake with nothing that can even be discussed, not worth even spreading around.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bad Mr. Basara on May 28, 2020, 06:48:32 PM
I know, but I thought something about that was discussed here before. The only interesting leak I read is about the character roster, mostly that the half of the roster comes from XIV with various additions from older games and some new characters. The leak message probably was deleted, but there were various videos about it on YT (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=king+of+fighters+xv) (mostly in Spanish)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 28, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
the leak is fake as F, it surfaced years ago it was debunked, then recently someone tried to revive the exact same leak.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 28, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
And it wasn't even a leak to begin with, just some random guy's crappy wishlist.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on December 03, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
 :nuttrox:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on December 03, 2020, 04:37:00 PM
The real surprise is Maximum Impact being acknowledged.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on December 03, 2020, 04:57:27 PM
The real surprise is Maximum Impact being acknowledged.

hahaha xD
The new logo is way better than the previous one tho.

Kyo's new outfit is a huge improvement over his bland design and outfit in XIV.
Benimaru's outfit looks amazing. Also Shun'ei is now with them so probably no Daimon again or maybe he'll be on another team cause Ogura said that the assembly of the teams will be very distinguished in KOF XV.

Such a relief to see that SNK still paying attention to KOF XV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 03, 2020, 05:10:37 PM
I wonder if the fact they brought specific attention to that means they'll add someone from that game. Because it felt so random to bring this specific aspect of the logo just to mention MI.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on December 03, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
Why on earth is Daimon replaced by Shun'ei?
Shun'ei's just a cheap crash grab of sweet Chinese money and now he's taking the spot of an OG/original member of the team.

Benimaru's Chinese attire just proves it.

SNK needs to stay original and stop catering themselves to the most popular community out there.

Stop being a sellout SNK.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 03, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
It wouldn't be the first time another character took the protagonist role (not just in this franchise, but in many others too), and Shun'ei isn't only popular in China (he is as much of a generic pretty boy as the others, ffs). Besides, one character wearing a chinese-inspired costume realistically means nothing, it's one character out of who knows how many.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on December 03, 2020, 05:59:20 PM
Why on earth is Daimon replaced by Shun'ei?
Shun'ei's just a cheap crash grab of sweet Chinese money and now he's taking the spot of an OG/original member of the team.

Benimaru's Chinese attire just proves it.

SNK needs to stay original and stop catering themselves to the most popular community out there.

Stop being a sellout SNK.


Calm down son. They just showed these characters to show their new designs.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on December 03, 2020, 06:01:37 PM
I really like the new designs -- especially Benimaru's. It's so damn sleek and perfect and befitting of his character. <3

(Fingers crossed my main man Shingo gets confirmed.)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 03, 2020, 06:07:50 PM
Maybe Kyo and Benimaru are taking the new kid under their wings since it always seems to be Kyo's team that wins the tournament, canon wise.

I'm hoping the reveal trailer does more. Don't get me wrong, teasers are nice and all... but I want to see how much work they put into this game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on December 03, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
Quick flashes of Leona and K' can be seen on the teaser btw.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: orochi_kyo on December 03, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
Kof just became about Quantity over quality some years ago.

The only good thing SNK can do now is adding rollback netcode to KOF XIII.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 03, 2020, 09:34:53 PM
*Shows concepts of Kyo, Benimaru and Shun'Ei, people immediately assumes they're forming a team together.
*Quickly namedrops Maximum Impact just to make a point, people immediately assume there will be MI characters in the game.

Geez, when did the SNK fanbase turned into the Smash fanbase?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on December 03, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
*Quickly namedrops Maximum Impact just to make a point, people immediately assume there will be MI characters in the game.

Not gonna happend for sure and yeah, people are thinking that Alba or Luise will be in, but surely they'll not.

I forgot to mention that Ogura also said that this will be the most ambitious game of the franchise. Well, i hope for that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ZetaFlare3 on December 03, 2020, 10:02:57 PM
Honestly, I'd kill for Maximum Impact characters in another game. Lien and Mignon shoulda been in SNK Heroines.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Vocalnoid on December 03, 2020, 10:09:12 PM
Why on earth is Daimon replaced by Shun'ei?

My guessings would be probably the teams are gonna be based on their designs/personalities or just to have consistency to how they look, for me I personally think Daimon just doesn't fit too well in the original team IMO. He is japan of course (duh), but I think aspect of both kyo, benimaru, and Shun'ei fits perfectly well considering they look like an actually team of heroes rather than one muscular master and two younglings which confuses me. I mean sometimes its just balanced like the other teams such as psycho soldier team, fatal fury team, NESTS team, and possibly more that look like they fit well, but all and all I just think Daimon is the only one that bothers me the most, still this doesn't mean he shouldn't be left out entirely.

While on a fun note, if this doesn't bring back The King of Dinosaurs, im gonna scream like The King of Dinosaurs! :V
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 03, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
Kof just became about Quantity over quality some years ago.
lol KoF 98UM and 02UM are references with a character count in the 50s and 60s.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 03, 2020, 11:48:50 PM
Kof just became about Quantity over quality some years ago.

The only good thing SNK can do now is adding rollback netcode to KOF XIII.
Pure bullshit. If you want to play your old games, go play old games, KoF XIV was excellent and your nostalgia can't change that.

*Quickly namedrops Maximum Impact just to make a point, people immediately assume there will be MI characters in the game.

Geez, when did the SNK fanbase turned into the Smash fanbase?
Wow, they made a mention of a detail that nobody gave a shit about only to mention something that people would care about. Gee, I wonder why?

Not gonna happend for sure and yeah, people are thinking that Alba or Luise will be in, but surely they'll not.
I'm sorry, what do you know? Are you in the dev team perhaps? It's, at least, quite arrogant, to presume you know something when you have absolutely no argument to sustain that.

EDIT: Let me add another thing: when you look at SNK, you see they revived SamSho after that stupid game whose name I forgot killed it, they brought in a bunch of lesser known characters in that sex-appeal-focused fighting game with girls and even in KoF XIV itself they brought two shitty lesser known characters to team up with Nakoruru. So yeah, there is, realistically, no logical reason for the idea of Maximum Impact characters returning to be treated as something so outlandish.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on December 04, 2020, 12:27:24 AM
I'm sorry, what do you know? Are you in the dev team perhaps? It's, at least, quite arrogant, to presume you know something when you have absolutely no argument to sustain that.

From what i follow this franchise since his whole beginning and saw what happend on Maximum Impact sub-series, i'm pretty sure that someone from MI will not be in KOF XV. And also because of one word about Maximum Impact. "Spinoff"
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 04, 2020, 12:36:17 AM
From what i follow this franchise since his whole beginning and saw what happend on Maximum Impact sub-series, i'm pretty sure that someone from MI will not be in KOF XV. And also because of one word about Maximum Impact. "Spinoff"
Except none of that realistically proves a thing. The "spinoff" part is particularly irrelevant.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on December 04, 2020, 12:37:36 AM
My guessings would be probably the teams are gonna be based on their designs/personalities or just to have consistency to how they look, for me I personally think Daimon just doesn't fit too well in the original team IMO. He is japan of course (duh), but I think aspect of both kyo, benimaru, and Shun'ei fits perfectly well considering they look like an actually team of heroes rather than one muscular master and two younglings which confuses me. I mean sometimes its just balanced like the other teams such as psycho soldier team, fatal fury team, NESTS team, and possibly more that look like they fit well, but all and all I just think Daimon is the only one that bothers me the most, still this doesn't mean he shouldn't be left out entirely.
You got a young delinquent martial arts master (Ryouma), a cool ikemen (Hayato) and a big body judoka (Musashi). Classic team.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on December 04, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
*Shows concepts of Kyo, Benimaru and Shun'Ei, people immediately assumes they're forming a team together.
*Quickly namedrops Maximum Impact just to make a point, people immediately assume there will be MI characters in the game.

Geez, when did the SNK fanbase turned into the Smash fanbase?

I'm not sure when, but I'm uncertain why SNK hasn't even given MI characters cameos in not only the main series games, but almost anything (there do exist a handful of cameos in mobile games, for example), or for that matter the EX characters. And now they acknowledge the games directly, so speculation booms. By the way, the company they sold Love Heart (and several other pachinko characters/IPs) to, Highlights Entertainment, closed down in late 2019, and apparently its assets are owned by a medical company nowadays. SNK did use her under license until the closure happened. Any interest in buying her back, or is it a done deal?
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 04, 2020, 01:02:30 AM
From what i follow this franchise since his whole beginning and saw what happend on Maximum Impact sub-series, i'm pretty sure that someone from MI will not be in KOF XV. And also because of one word about Maximum Impact. "Spinoff"
Except none of that realistically proves a thing. The "spinoff" part is particularly irrelevant.

Bet you $20 through Paypal that there won't be a MI character in XV. Deal ? If no deal, shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 04, 2020, 01:14:43 AM
Bet you $20 through Paypal that there won't be a MI character in XV. Deal ? If no deal, shut the fuck up.
I'm sorry, why the hell would I shut up? You, so far, didn't offer a single evidence or an argument to defend your nonsensical logic, so excuse me for not changing my mind just because some random ass guy on the internet wants me to.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 04, 2020, 01:26:57 AM
So no deal then, you can't put your money where you mouth is.
There won't be any MI character in XV. If you disagree, you prove it.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 04, 2020, 01:33:03 AM
So no deal then, you can't put your money where you mouth is.
There won't be any MI character in XV. If you disagree, you prove it.
So, everyone has to bet money with you to have an opinion now? That's not how things work, Your Highness, you're not that important. Also, yet again you offer no argument and no evidence, yet I'm somehow supposed to offer proof. Who the fuck do you think you are?
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 04, 2020, 01:38:44 AM
So, everyone has to bet money with you to have an opinion now?
Says the dipshit harassing someone for saying their experience with the entire franchise makes them think MI will not be added to XV, calling them arrogant for saying something you don't like. Stop being such an asshole. Who the fuck do you think YOU are ? What the fuck do you think you're doing right now ?
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Joey S. on December 04, 2020, 02:05:20 AM
>mfw two grown men argue over Max Impact characters being in KOF XV
 :shocked2:

Jokes aside, I unironically enjoy Max Impact. It's not likely but it'd be cool to see someone like Mignon Beart or Soiree Meira added.
New logo looks dope, Kyo gets parts from his best designs back, Beni looks like he stole Luong's clothes (but it fits him well) and Shun'ei still looks like trash lmao

Very excited for more news on the game. I just hope they actually animate Kim's pants this time.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 04, 2020, 02:16:45 AM
Says the dipshit harassing someone for saying their experience with the entire franchise makes them think MI will not be added to XV, calling them arrogant for saying something you don't like. Stop being such an asshole. Who the fuck do you think YOU are ? What the fuck do you think you're doing right now ?
Experience in what, exactly? Becuase so far, nothing he said counters what I said, and neither do you. Also, yeah, he is arrogant for saying that something won't happen when he has no idea if it will or not, it IS arrogant because he says that as if he is somehow part of the dev team. Stop being an asshole yourself, you hypocrite, you are the one who started insulting me for no reason and demanding money as if you can charge me for having a fucking opinion. This is a DISCUSSION forum, I don't have to follow what you think, Your Highness, I can contest it and I sure as hell can disagree, and nothing you say will change that.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 04, 2020, 02:55:31 AM
Why is it a discussion when you're talking, but when anyone gives an opinion about what will be in the game or not that you don't like, they're arrogant and hypocrites and talk like they're in the dev team and they have to show proof ? Stop harassing people and shouting at people for having an opinion and trying to get into fights.
And I didn't demand any money, I offered you a bet to show what you believe and you pussied out. Is it the money part that bothers you ? What if I change the bet and when you lose, you have to put this in your signature for 2 months :
Quote
Byakko is my Lord and master and I'm an idiot who is incapable of shutting the fuck up and stop screaming at other people over their opinion about what will be in a future game
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 04, 2020, 03:33:41 AM
Jesus Christ, you're really full of yourself, aren't you? Since you're incapable of doing anything other than insulting others, then I won't bother trying to discuss anything, because you and your ego are clearly not here for that.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 04, 2020, 03:38:09 AM
I'm here to give my opinion that KoF XV will not have any MI character.
I won't lose sleep if it does, but I don't think it will. Alba has nice moves but I think all the other new characters have shit designs and shit moves. Except Chae Lim, she was really nice.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkseid DC on December 04, 2020, 05:13:07 AM
Kof just became about Quantity over quality some years ago.

The only good thing SNK can do now is adding rollback netcode to KOF XIII.
Pure bullshit. If you want to play your old games, go play old games, KoF XIV was excellent and your nostalgia can't change that.
No need to respond aggressively to others opinions like "pure bullshit"

Not gonna happend for sure and yeah, people are thinking that Alba or Luise will be in, but surely they'll not.
I'm sorry, what do you know? Are you in the dev team perhaps? It's, at least, quite arrogant, to presume you know something when you have absolutely no argument to sustain that.
He is talking about probabilities, they are not so well-known characters in the franchise, it is not arrogance


About the game, glad they turn Kyo appearance more like the previous games before KOF XIV
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on December 04, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
digging benimaru's design. and sad there's no colour cause shun's colour theme in 14 is lame.

i'm looking forward to the ikari warriors look , i want beef cake ralf and clark back and probably a buff terry bogard like in 13.
Title: Re: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on December 05, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
Seems legit: https://twitter.com/ViolentKain/status/1335134216565092352  :lol:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on December 07, 2020, 08:45:09 PM
Two characters considered for XIV but didn't even make it to DLC were Jack Turner and John Crawley from AOF. Are they perhaps contenders for a slot in this one, given that even Hwa Jai and Richard Meyer each made a comeback before fading back into the shadows? Blame Days of Memories for attractive ladies not up-and-vanishing after a return appearance. In SNK Heroines, the only non-guests that used new models were Shermie and Jeanne, so they could easily show up in XV if they keep re-using models. A World Heroes character in KOF proper would be a game-shaker (Even KOF XI's hidden characters were all first-party SNK characters) for the series, though. And about the MI cast, even if they were kinda lame, SNK could retool them to be better.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on December 08, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
The King of Fighters 15 will be a 'supreme masterpiece' for the series says SNK producer, rollback netcode mentioned but not confirmed: https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2020/dec/08/king-fighters-15-masterpiece/

With some already dead characters emerge from Verse, it is no surprise  ::)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on December 08, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
the last Kof looks like from ps3 so i hope an improvement for this one
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on December 08, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
The King of Fighters 15 will be a 'supreme masterpiece' for the series
No pressure or anything
Not setting anyone up for disappointment one way or another
I wonder if that means in terms of graphics, gameplay, roster, all of the above. The roster would have to beat 02UM's 60+ characters so I'm not expecting that, for starters. For graphics I'd be fine if they can copy KoF All Star's models and effects, I don't think I want something a bit stylized like SamSho for KoF, just make it straightforward semi-realistic. But dump the multicolor superflash, it was ugly in XII, it was ugly in XIV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on December 08, 2020, 06:59:02 PM
The King of Fighters 15 will be a 'supreme masterpiece' for the series says SNK producer, rollback netcode mentioned but not confirmed: https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2020/dec/08/king-fighters-15-masterpiece/

With some already dead characters emerge from Verse, it is no surprise  ::)

Dead characters...
Just give me (normal) Shermie... and I'm in!

About the "masterpiece" stuff, for some reasons, I cannot trust them...
I just would like to avoid the kind of "realism" SFV went for, and the low/average quality models they had in 14.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on December 08, 2020, 09:14:04 PM
The masterpiece stuff is just hyping it up and it's not something you should be thinking about until the game is actually out.

Rollback being mentioned hopefully means it's going to be an actual thing or the game.will be DOA.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 09, 2020, 03:12:49 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see revived characters and the only one who doesn't want to see the new faces team losers back ever again?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on December 09, 2020, 04:19:30 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see revived characters and the only one who doesn't want to see the new faces team losers back ever again?

Probably yes on the latter part. I feel like if Shermie's regular and Orochi movesets were combined she would be a much better character.

I now wonder which deceased characters in the series weren't inside Verse? Heidern's wife and child, maybe? K9999? Given that even Leona's dad and Jeff Bogard were inside Verse, I wouldn't count on it. It would be interesting if Jeanne's appearance was because of Verse, not a time machine. How would they explain Love Heart, now that the people they sold her to went under?

And I agree the masterpiece stuff is PR hype.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kamui_Kanjai on December 09, 2020, 09:45:12 PM
Brief Comment; I would hope it didn't end up like SamSho 7, the game was a resounding success, but they had the great idea of releasing it on Google Stadia, then releasing it to the Epic Store when people expected it more to come out on Steam.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 23, 2020, 04:25:32 PM
Just a confirmation that yes, we'll get an actual trailer in the 7th.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 01, 2021, 06:58:12 PM
All they have to do is to pull out with the presentation in they got it made and improving other things. I feel the DLC in XIV is an expansion on what they already have than just add what's missing. It will be the same for KOF XIV. As for the platforms, it will come out console (next-gen) and PC first before it comes to the arcade and you can thank the pandemic for that. I don't expect a whole lot of alternative costumes. I never feel ripped off with SNK and with their latest games.

KOF XV and Samurai Showdown season 3 news this week coming at Jan. 6 for Samuari Showdown season 3 and Jan. 7 for KOF XV.

https://www.siliconera.com/kof-xv-reveal-samurai-shodown-season-pass-3-announcement/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: HexagoN on January 05, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see revived characters and the only one who doesn't want to see the new faces team losers back ever again?

Honestly I don't know what I want, like I'm 50% want it and 50% don't want them to come back.
But thinking about it, Mature and Vice are still dead and they came back anyway, probably they are doing this just as an excuse to bring old characters with this new look.
They even revived Ash who was erased from existence like wtf xD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 05, 2021, 06:10:53 PM
I'm open to returning characters but I want updated movelists, at least effects. I'm really not fond of bringing back old movelist absolutely identical to what they were doing before. Make better moves or just come up with new characters, don't copy-paste.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 05, 2021, 08:20:01 PM
I'm open to returning characters but I want updated movelists, at least effects. I'm really not fond of bringing back old movelist absolutely identical to what they were doing before. Make better moves or just come up with new characters, don't copy-paste.

This. I remember the hype seeing KOF'96 launched in a London arcade and everyone freaking out how different some of the characters moves were. It was a refreshing change to see differences between Ryo and Robert expanded and Kyo's moveset changed. (Not going to lie, I'm usually a Andy/King main and I LOVED the new tools).

So yeah, I hope they change things up again too. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 05, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
I'm open to returning characters but I want updated movelists, at least effects. I'm really not fond of bringing back old movelist absolutely identical to what they were doing before. Make better moves or just come up with new characters, don't copy-paste.

I feel the same!
Ok for newcomers if they are not empty characters with no soul. Like some of the previous game we all almost forgot...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 05, 2021, 11:01:24 PM
I'm open to returning characters but I want updated movelists, at least effects. I'm really not fond of bringing back old movelist absolutely identical to what they were doing before. Make better moves or just come up with new characters, don't copy-paste.

I feel the same!
Ok for newcomers if they are not empty characters with no soul. Like some of the previous game we all almost forgot...

The empty characters with no soul thing is a big factor with both KoF and MK nowadays, and I feel like KoF has been battling this since the Nests era with the likes of Lin, Seth, etc not really clicking with me.  To be fair, FF and AOF also had tons of characters who were brought into KoF only once if ever for understandable reasons
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 06, 2021, 04:11:21 AM
Honestly I don't know what I want, like I'm 50% want it and 50% don't want them to come back.
But thinking about it, Mature and Vice are still dead and they came back anyway, probably they are doing this just as an excuse to bring old characters with this new look.
They even revived Ash who was erased from existence like wtf xD
I'll flip if they think of reviving Rugal, cuz Rugal is badass af
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on January 06, 2021, 04:15:05 PM
KOF usually gives alot of characters and visual style is always improving , Capcom on the other hand dissapointed us by giving us an Oro instead of Sean or Adon. I can agree with Ned that Shermie needs to be in, maybe can see Rugal dying and then being helped by Terry
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 06, 2021, 04:39:12 PM
Disappointed "us"? You presume too much if you think Oro's return disappointed people.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 06, 2021, 05:12:32 PM
I for one am quite happy with Oro’s return. Definitely someone I would’ve preferred over Aron and Sean tbh

Regarding dead characters returning I actually will lose my mind if Rugal returns. Seeing him do sick ass shit in 3D would be awesome and it’d be cool to see Adelheid involved in the story again too with Rugal’s return.

At the very least I’m praying the story reasons behind it all don’t suck. IMO it’s very hard to just bring a dead character back and have the story behind it make sense.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 06, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
I mean, they could bring the dead characters for flashbacks or maybe as illusions made by someone else. If Chizuru has her powers back (dunno if she has them again), it's the kind of thing she would do.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 06, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
maybe can see Rugal dying and then being helped by Terry
Why ? Terry has nothing to do with Rugal.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 06, 2021, 06:32:52 PM
maybe can see Rugal dying and then being helped by Terry
Why ? Terry has nothing to do with Rugal.

Terry helps everyone tho

He always asks “Are you OK?” after all. Be more like Terry lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 06, 2021, 07:23:41 PM
Info on Samuari Showdown season 3 and KOFXV got postponed for a later date.
https://www.dualshockers.com/snk-postpones-kof-15-reveal-january-7/

https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1346855948053221377
“We sincerely apologize to everyone who was looking forward to the announcements. We will inform our fans as soon as the new date and time has been confirmed, and appreciate your kind understanding.”
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 06, 2021, 07:37:16 PM
That's not a bad thing at all.
I'm sure they are thinking the right time to do the broadcast.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 06, 2021, 08:17:32 PM
Year's off to a good start, it seems.

He always asks “Are you OK?” after all. Be more like Terry lol
I'm not okay, Terry.

WE ARE NEVER OK
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on January 06, 2021, 09:12:30 PM
KOF usually gives alot of characters and visual style is always improving , Capcom on the other hand dissapointed us by giving us an Oro instead of Sean or Adon. I can agree with Ned that Shermie needs to be in, maybe can see Rugal dying and then being helped by Terry
I am very interested in the logic you used that arrived at the conclusion that ANYONE would help Rugal.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: T_DR on January 06, 2021, 09:57:20 PM
I just hope they bring my boy Shingo back. xD

If he does return, he'll probably team up with Benimaru and Daimon again just like in 2003.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on January 07, 2021, 04:59:17 PM
Regarding dead characters returning I actually will lose my mind if Rugal returns. Seeing him do sick ass shit in 3D would be awesome and it’d be cool to see Adelheid involved in the story again too with Rugal’s return.
The same as Leona and her dad: https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Gaidel That makes me wonder why Leona was one of the first five to show up in the trailer
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 07, 2021, 05:02:27 PM
Because she is iconic and a mainstay in the franchise.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 07, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
I just hope they bring my boy Shingo back. xD

If he does return, he'll probably team up with Benimaru and Daimon again just like in 2003.

This.

Bring Shingo back already. We need our goofball in 3D.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 07, 2021, 06:27:55 PM
As much as I'd be interested in a brand new character like Gaidel who we've never seen but has a good degree of relevance to someone else's backstory and could easily get an interesting brand new movelist, I'm sooner expecting characters that we already know. Rugal should easily be high on that list.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 07, 2021, 06:44:11 PM
I think Rugal is about as solid a lock as you can get

He was one of the voices and 15 is an anniversary number, this could be a canon dream match

He may even be the boss
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 07, 2021, 06:51:39 PM
He’s DLC at the bare minimum.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 07, 2021, 06:52:04 PM
I really hope for a dream match.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 07, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
Oh god a 3D Dream Match. I'm weak in the knees just thinking about how beautiful that could be.

Now I really wanna see Rugal in 3D.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 07, 2021, 10:42:54 PM
Well, a bunch of pictures of Kyo, Shun and Mai are circulating around, apparently being a supposed leak from kof xv.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 07, 2021, 10:46:45 PM
Well, a bunch of pictures of Kyo, Shun and Mai are circulating around, apparently being a supposed leak from kof xv.

Oop? I'm intrigued.

I know Mai isn't officially confirmed, but I feel like she falls into a handful of characters who are just like, obviously coming back. Her, Terry, Ryo, for instance.

Also if Ash actually does come back as a playable character I think Elisabeth will be back too. Probably.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 07, 2021, 11:09:55 PM
Do you guys think this leak pictures are real ?
A saw them, and it looks a freaking good looking game for 2008 ! Wait !! O_o

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 07, 2021, 11:11:47 PM
Also Leona, K', and Beni. It's definitely a leak alright, no way that's fan made. Mai's tits look really fucked up, hope it's not final (it's probably because it's in motion but it's a seriously bad shot).
There's a clear SamSho inspiration in the graphic style (but a little less cartoonish), it looks fine.
https://www.gamekyo.com/blog_article452305.html

... wait hold on there's also a KoF XIV Ultimate Edition with extra DLC (just costumes and PS4 themes) ? AND a trailer ? https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1347076506598600704
... Today in Europe in digital ??
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 08, 2021, 12:01:07 AM
It already looks nicer than KOF 14 and its PS2 plastic models. Even if I don't see anyone who wasn't in there yet...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 08, 2021, 12:09:13 AM
I agree. It’s a bit rough but I prefer it to KOF XIV so far.

Mai’s boobs look a little weird but I don’t really care lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 08, 2021, 12:35:12 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521095240875245609/796850353378820146/SPOILER_1610050011184.png)

I feel they will "shatter all expectations". Now they have made a better presentation than XIV once they show that trailer.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Good_Wall533 on January 08, 2021, 12:36:38 AM
Well, it looks better than XIV, that's for sure. The faces are still weird looking though. Especially Kyo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 08, 2021, 12:52:57 AM
Kyo looks odd and Mai's boobs look odd but I love how Benimaru looks.

Leona's hand, tho, looks fucking enormous.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 08, 2021, 02:54:59 AM
New updates: new trailers are coming soon! First impressions are everything all they have to do is to pull it off!

"SNK is pleased to inform our fans that the revised date & time for our KOF XV and SAMURAI SHODOWN DLC announcements have been fixed.
Sorry for the postponement of these reveals, and thank you for your patience.

New dates:
01/07 6pm (PST)
01/08 3am (CET)"

At least it will not be like cyberpunk
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFKpa-XEAAcX9K?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 08, 2021, 03:09:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8fMRyFI-xw&ab_channel=snkGame

Trailer is out, along with KOF XIV Ultimate, KOF2002 UM for PS4 and 2 of the Samurai Spirits Season 3 DLC characters!

I'm HYPED for this!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 08, 2021, 03:34:11 AM
OK the trailer for Samurai Showdown Season 3 and KOFXV is finally here.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 08, 2021, 03:58:17 AM
Wow.

I was very pleased with all of that, ngl. Aside from wanting to see more of KOF XV's roster, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt this time considering some stuff had to be delayed anyhow.

I don't really care for XIV UE but 2K2UM is epic. And of course the SamSho S3 reveals are also hype with Hibiki especially pleasing me.

All in all... 12 minutes I enjoyed and I'm eager to see more.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 08, 2021, 09:19:37 AM
Compared to KoFXIV, the graphics of KoFXV are improved a lot.
Now where's my best boy and girl Shingo and Hinako?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 08, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
Separate Trailer with just KOF XV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 08, 2021, 06:11:16 PM
When the leaked image showed "coming 2021", I was thinking, what's going to be the strategy for announcements ? They barely teased a few expected characters, just showcasing the new designs and the graphic style, but if they want to get this out this year, they still have a lot to show, either showing how big the roster will be, or a few new characters (or some characters who have never been in KoF before, like Alfred or whatever), or a few big returning characters that we haven't seen for a while (like the Orochi trio, the MotW characters that came in XI, someone like Saisyu who just hasn't been around much, or a big character like Goenitz or Rugal). So what rhythm of news should we expect ?
This trailer says there will be more next week already, so I hope they'll go the route of making very frequent small reveals through the year. Do some actual marketing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 08, 2021, 06:15:43 PM
No comment.
I'm glat do see a sequel, but this is a joke.
Waiting for some potential graphic update.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 08, 2021, 08:29:22 PM
You mean like literally every fighting game ever?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: T_DR on January 08, 2021, 10:36:33 PM
Compared to KoFXIV, the graphics of KoFXV are improved a lot.
Now where's my best boy and girl Shingo and Hinako?

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. It may not be XIII style, but the graphics and style is definitely a huge step up from XIV.

I also really want our boy Shingo back too. I wouldn't mind seeing Hinako back as well.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 08, 2021, 10:42:18 PM
#ShingoForXVPleaseAndThanks

Hinako would be pretty cool to see back.

And I love the style the more I see it... I think one of my only issues now is, Kyo looks... too young lol

He looks younger here than he did in XIV. Granted he looked like plastic in XIV, but still. He looked like a young adult and now he's back to looking 18-19.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 09, 2021, 02:43:56 AM
This looks awful, I would've hoped with the more cartoon-ish style they could at least animate better or have proper models. This just looks ghastly, and only better than kof XIV due to the overall art style being more aesthetically pleasing
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on January 09, 2021, 04:08:58 AM
KOFs video games are always looked bad, except for Capcom vs snk2 and KOF13 even MAI on DOA6 looks much better than this.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 09, 2021, 04:46:24 AM
I always hated XII/XIII's art style for how badly it screwed a bunch of characters with just a few obvious flaws. Some like Iori, Mature, Elizabeth, Shen Woo, Leona were great, but King's stick arms, Kyo's hair and shoulder pads (idk his frame just looks so wrong), Ralf's meat-stuffed packs, Mai's dangling milk balloons, the way they represented fire, and the color explosions on the special effects, always thought it was awful.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on January 10, 2021, 08:47:11 PM
Yo my Kof freaks, the Mai doesnt look bad, she actually looks closer to Cvs than Doa version. Kyo looks alot improved, while graphics are still about the same still good.
Year's off to a good start, it seems.

He always asks “Are you OK?” after all. Be more like Terry lol
I'm not okay, Terry.

WE ARE NEVER OK

Yeah this line could easily work haha, just think about this dialogue right here we are NEVER OK! Rugal can even repeat this over 4 times
Kyo looks odd and Mai's boobs look odd but I love how Benimaru looks.

Leona's hand, tho, looks fucking enormous.

Yo Kyo looks kinda close to how he looks , alot better than 14! Mais boobs needs an update, thats true, yeah benimaru NEVER looks off. Hes the man

I also think This KOF definitly gonna shatter expectations, lets see i hope i can get this as soon as this drops

Some guys have said why Terry would help Rugal at all, . The idea on that is that Rugal was in dire need when Terry happened to go run in and while eating a burger noticed something was off. Hes very good at this. Rugal maybe being manipulated by another new  boss, and Rugal barely has any strength left but must follow orders or die.. Again

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 10, 2021, 09:01:42 PM
Kyo only looks odd to me cause he looks younger than he's supposed to be. Idk, I just can't get XIV out of my head.

I do like the design, I guess it's just cause my brain is like "wait a sec" lol

Mai's boobs just need to be a little less triangle-y.

Leona needs smaller hands lol

And Shun-ei needs a better fuckin color scheme.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 10, 2021, 09:19:31 PM
Some guys have said why Terry would help Rugal at all, . The idea on that is that Rugal was in dire need when Terry happened to go run in and while eating a burger noticed something was off. Hes very good at this. Rugal maybe being manipulated by another new  boss, and Rugal barely has any strength left but must follow orders or die.. Again
Hey buddy, there are websites dedicated to shitty fanfiction. This is not one.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 10, 2021, 09:55:49 PM
they need to fix mais slenderman model and kyos botox treatment. leona looks ok, and shun'ei cant be salvaged since his outfit will always look stupid
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Hero on January 10, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
I really dislike the design of Shun ei - and most of the new characters of XIV. The game kinda looks like a fanshion runway - Athena was a different thing, it was her gag. I really hoped they would change it, but I honestly couldn't care less about these.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 10, 2021, 10:50:22 PM
To me, right now :
It's a joke.
It's a shame.

Unless they update the graphics.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 10, 2021, 10:53:22 PM
We heard you the first two times you said that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on January 10, 2021, 11:10:16 PM
I kinda just wanted them to pull out a "Garou: MoTW" with the franchise, for once; with the likes of Kyo and Athena actually looking like fighting veterans, instead of being doomed to look like teenagers for all eternity.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 10, 2021, 11:19:41 PM
I kinda just wanted them to pull out a "Garou: MoTW" with the franchise, for once; with the likes of Kyo and Athena actually looking like fighting veterans, instead of being doomed to look like teenagers for all eternity.

Agreed. At least Street Fighter aged everyone up for SF5.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 10, 2021, 11:20:36 PM
SNK "fans":

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 10, 2021, 11:25:11 PM
i dont get the point of that image

imagine taking offense to people asking for rollback netcode
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 10, 2021, 11:31:07 PM
Too much whining over a game that isn't even out yet. Most of the things aren't even finished.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 10, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
I'm not really whining at least lol

Mostly pointing out the oddities.

Such as Shun-ei's outfit being fucking horrible oh wait that's old news.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 11, 2021, 12:20:51 AM
I also wonder why there was never any form of Tales of Ash Dream Match game. Was the saga that unpopular? Or was it a graphics issue? There were only a few characters that existed only in the XII style, but MANY that were only in the NeoGeo style, so I guess that's why they skipped the Dream Match. Perhaps they could do a Dream Match game with the whole Neo Geo era/style (possibly including NeoWave, NGBC, and EX), as I am not sure all the XII characters were in XIII, or were they? I don't see why MI characters coming back would be a bad thing, either. Same with EX characters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 11, 2021, 12:23:32 AM
They skipped the Dream Match because SNK died. Like two or three times. When they came back with XIV, they needed to do something new.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 11, 2021, 12:42:16 AM
I also wonder why there was never any form of Tales of Ash Dream Match game. Was the saga that unpopular? Or was it a graphics issue? There were only a few characters that existed only in the XII style, but MANY that were only in the NeoGeo style, so I guess that's why they skipped the Dream Match. Perhaps they could do a Dream Match game with the whole Neo Geo era/style (possibly including NeoWave, NGBC, and EX), as I am not sure all the XII characters were in XIII, or were they? I don't see why MI characters coming back would be a bad thing, either. Same with EX characters.

XII was the "Dream Match".

But it was bad. So.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 11, 2021, 12:57:51 AM
We heard you the first two times you said that.

you are right I think.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on January 11, 2021, 01:16:31 AM
KOF isnt a joke, its pulling out its version 2, and KOF usuually does good job on it , like KOF 13(despite some dissapointments to how characters look).   Man you guys never satisfied with KYo.. Kyo is looking good, not that bad at all,.. About Shun'Ei. Hes cool, maybe headphones throwing you off? You guys dont know this but.. Im so excited for this game rightnow, and you should Be too

We know idiots like Byakko had originally unsupported KOF Max Impact so , anything that baffoon says  is literally just somewhat nonsense

On Kyo:
If you age Kyo, hes gonna look really lame, we dont want to see Kyo looking like an idiot
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 11, 2021, 01:39:24 AM
shun'ei is genuinely the worst designed character in the series, and i actually liked sylvie's design a lot. they couldn't decide between a dated visual kei look or just aping the latest trends from games like persona when they designed him. the rolled up pant leg, the stupid little headphones, the tie, the dumb hands that look like wings. he's like a bad joke when you put him next to the designs of most of the cast.

kyo's issues seem to come from the fact their 3D modeling team possibly dont know how to age him, he looks like a cross between a full grown adult and a young child. its not as bad as his mannequin look from XIV, but still pretty bad looking.

mais arms strongly remind me of the "wacky inflatable tube man" joke from family guy
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 11, 2021, 02:07:13 AM
KOF isnt a joke, its pulling out its version 2, and KOF usuually does good job on it , like KOF 13(despite some dissapointments to how characters look).   Man you guys never satisfied with KYo.. Kyo is looking good, not that bad at all,.. About Shun'Ei. Hes cool, maybe headphones throwing you off? You guys dont know this but.. Im so excited for this game rightnow, and you should Be too

We know idiots like Byakko had originally unsupported KOF Max Impact so , anything that baffoon says  is literally just somewhat nonsense

On Kyo:
If you age Kyo, hes gonna look really lame, we dont want to see Kyo looking like an idiot

I can’t exactly take anything you say seriously if you’re gonna throw shade at someone else.

IMO Kyo looks kinda weird. IYO he doesn’t.

I’m skeptical on the game. You’re not.

I don’t think Byakko is an idiot he’s just another guy with an opinion.

KOF has been flawed in recent years. Ups and downs in each recent installment.

That’s all.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 11, 2021, 02:11:51 AM
Just give me Duck King and I'm fine.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 11, 2021, 02:49:11 AM
What game did Duck King appeared last in? 11?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 11, 2021, 03:03:40 AM
What game did Duck King appeared last in? 11?

Yep, outside of that he's been in pachinko stuff.

So yeah... KOF XI has been it for the Duck.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 11, 2021, 04:08:17 AM
I'm starting to think there is a trend with every KOF entry that has at least one obscure Fatal Fury rep added and then they go back to limbo until further notice.

Which means it's Micheal Max's time to save the world!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on January 11, 2021, 04:16:25 AM
shun'ei is genuinely the worst designed character in the series, and i actually liked sylvie's design a lot. they couldn't decide between a dated visual kei look or just aping the latest trends from games like persona when they designed him. the rolled up pant leg, the stupid little headphones, the tie, the dumb hands that look like wings. he's like a bad joke when you put him next to the designs of most of the cast.

kyo's issues seem to come from the fact their 3D modeling team possibly dont know how to age him, he looks like a cross between a full grown adult and a young child. its not as bad as his mannequin look from XIV, but still pretty bad looking.

mais arms strongly remind me of the "wacky inflatable tube man" joke from family guy
Shun Ei, is a pick among alot, definitly not the worst bro, its somebody else that was in Kof 12 and 13.. Looking all gay, oh who was that?  Wore red
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 11, 2021, 04:24:18 AM
I'm starting to think there is a trend with every KOF entry that has at least one obscure Fatal Fury rep added and then they go back to limbo until further notice.

Which means it's Micheal Max's time to save the world!

Tung has been seen in both KOF XI and XIV. Also, we almost got obscure AOF dudes in XIV as well, and while Tung and Duck were in the Real Bout series, Hwa Jai and Richard Meyer were only in the original. I think Li is too recurring in KOF to really count for this. I'm personally hoping on someone outside of FF1, like Tsugumi Sendoh,  Axel Hawk, or Bob Wilson.  For AOF, I want to see Lenny come back.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 11, 2021, 04:26:21 AM
Shun Ei, is a pick among alot, definitly not the worst bro, its somebody else that was in Kof 12 and 13.. Looking all gay, oh who was that?  Wore red

Ash, IMO, looked fine in XII and XIII.

Also I hope you didn't just use gay as an insult lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 11, 2021, 04:32:20 AM
Ash is manly

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on January 11, 2021, 04:37:14 AM
Yea yea Ash, my god man we only had jokes on his ugly ass, everytime somebody used him we made sure to beat his ass..  we had a  great Takuma player for 13, but yea dont worry it aint gonna hurt no one, no animals were hurt in the process
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 11, 2021, 04:39:34 AM
Shun Ei, is a pick among alot, definitly not the worst bro, its somebody else that was in Kof 12 and 13.. Looking all gay, oh who was that?  Wore red
Would you like to explain what exactly is wrong with looking gay?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 11, 2021, 04:48:40 AM
Ash always had a smug look and an impossible trial set that makes you want to rain down vengence on his existence.

On that note, I can't even use that guy right without dropping combos during MAX because of his command moves and the ABCD stuff.  Why was he made to be impossible for us casual hands?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: teaket on January 11, 2021, 04:49:14 AM
yeah aint nothing wrong with that
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTOAkira on January 11, 2021, 05:42:17 AM
Nice 3 count bount cameos
(https://i.gyazo.com/eedf1d18883cdc77933cb3983b0633d9.jpg)
Also a better look on how everything look during gameplay
Michael Max is also a bg character on the beach stage
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 11, 2021, 05:52:50 AM
Regardless of criticisms against the art style, I think we can all agree Benimaru continues to be stylin'

Even at this angle he's amazing
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 11, 2021, 05:57:46 AM
I'm more surprised at how Shun'ei's appearance had little to no change despite years of criticism yet they give Benimaru a nice new outfit.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 11, 2021, 07:17:35 AM
Looking all gay, oh who was that?  Wore red
wtf is wrong with you
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: T_DR on January 11, 2021, 08:06:15 AM
I'm starting to think there is a trend with every KOF entry that has at least one obscure Fatal Fury rep added and then they go back to limbo until further notice.

Which means it's Micheal Max's time to save the world!

It's funny considering Michael Max's song made it to Smash Ultimate somehow lol.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 11, 2021, 09:58:11 AM
wtf is wrong with you
He liked Maximum Impact, his opinion is irrelevant nonsense.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 11, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
Is not a matterof liking Maximum Impact(everyone has a game to like), is just the guy being plain stupid and homophobic.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 11, 2021, 02:20:17 PM
Ash always had a smug look and an impossible trial set that makes you want to rain down vengence on his existence.

On that note, I can't even use that guy right without dropping combos during MAX because of his command moves and the ABCD stuff.  Why was he made to be impossible for us casual hands?

Ash was designed from the ground up to be hated, from his smug flamboyant mannerisms to his animations where it seems he's not even trying to fight seriously.

I'm starting to think there is a trend with every KOF entry that has at least one obscure Fatal Fury rep added and then they go back to limbo until further notice.

Which means it's Micheal Max's time to save the world!

I'm betting on Sokaku personally, he'd fit in perfectly with all the dead/lost souls stuff.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 11, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
wtf is wrong with you
He liked Maximum Impact, his opinion is irrelevant nonsense.
Excuse me, I like MI and I'm not saying homophobic nonsense.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on January 11, 2021, 02:58:01 PM
Nice 3 count bount cameos
(https://i.gyazo.com/eedf1d18883cdc77933cb3983b0633d9.jpg)
Also a better look on how everything look during gameplay
Michael Max is also a bg character on the beach stage
OK .... I want to see Bubble Bobble inspired stage as a potential DLC.

SNK "fans":

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
OK....... this is my new saved pic

Regardless of criticisms against the art style, I think we can all agree Benimaru continues to be stylin'

Even at this angle he's amazing
Sure he does, but as far outfit color goes, I wished it was golden shade and white highlights. From the trailer I saw they going with Retro but modern look, Kyo is fine in both concept and render but I wish they kept a new color scheme for Benimaru.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 11, 2021, 03:49:10 PM
(wow, this thread is a shit show)

I like how KOF XV looks, my body is ready for the hype train in weeks to come. KOF MI2 kicks ass.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on January 11, 2021, 04:14:27 PM
Just two things i want to see in KOF XV
- Change in gameplay mechanic compared to XIV, which in this one i didn't like at all (specially that Rush Combo thing).
- New skills for the characters. I saw in this trailer that Mai have a new NeoMax, Shun'ei aswell. But the rest (K', Leona and Beni) except Kyo that doesn't show that much are exactly the same as in XIV.

For the trailer, i really like Kyo's new outfit. Reminds me of how he pretended to look in KOF '99 (his "EVO Kyo" appearance) and it's way better than the crap look in XIV. The graphics looks ok. But my fear for sure is that SNK won't change something in the gameplay mechanic. Well, let's see if they did something new about that along the news that will come during this week.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 11, 2021, 06:20:25 PM
wtf is wrong with you
He liked Maximum Impact, his opinion is irrelevant nonsense.
Excuse me, I like MI and I'm not saying homophobic nonsense.

Is not a matterof liking Maximum Impact(everyone has a game to like), is just the guy being plain stupid and homophobic.

I'm just taking a jab after he said the same thing about me. No offense to MI, it was okay (and even if I didn't like it, it wouldn't invalidate your opinion).

except Kyo that doesn't show that much
Kyo's is the single punch from '00 or '01, dunno if it will have anything else before or after that punch. But I'm glad they're moving away from the dumb generic "point finger or fist, giant wall of flame" that he's been getting as his ultimate for a few games.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Hero on January 11, 2021, 08:48:25 PM
They should have aged Kyo up to his early thirties. Maybe taking the mant of the heir of the Kusanagi Clan, with some traditional clothes - albeit with some modern touches here and there, idk. Or set the KOF in another timeline with younger versions, or whatever.

Athena is the worst offender. I liked what they did with Sakura in SF5 (maybe a bit older, but at least she is not the eternal schoolgirl). I don't know why they can't age her, it's like they don't have any ideas and take 0 risk in these characters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Reginukem on January 11, 2021, 10:07:13 PM
Quote
Athena is the worst offender. I liked what they did with Sakura in SF5 (maybe a bit older, but at least she is not the eternal schoolgirl). I don't know why they can't age her, it's like they don't have any ideas and take 0 risk in these characters.

I agree with you. Yuri Sakazaki enter this team too. Younger at each version.
Capcom did a good job with Sakura.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 11, 2021, 10:11:35 PM
I hear people talk about Michael Max. Sure, it would be interesting to see them re-imagine the character. I would not mind Rick Strowd or Axel Hawk either. SNK got a lot of boxers after all.

However, if there were any a out of left-field character they could add it would be someone like Temjin lol.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 12, 2021, 01:01:18 AM
I'd love Richard Myer or Bob Wilson, but it would be nice to see characters like Michael Max and Temjin return... As long as it's not Wang Koh-San. :P

Again, it would be nice to start aging the characters too... imagine how beefy Shingo would be and taking his own new techniques into a KOF. Also, Yuri needs to age, not regress... or we'll be fighting a toddler at some point! XD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 12, 2021, 01:09:33 AM
I kinda wanna see Yuri all the way as an old master if they ever make like a third Fu’un game or even Garou 2. I agree she does NOT need to regress further. (She would have made a great assist trophy in Ultimate, by the way)

Also, Ash is a Hate Sink? Never knew that. He seems to have become less of a hate sink as it went on. Sokaku’s actually a pretty good suggestion for obscure comebacks, but I’m also betting on at least one World Heroes character to tie into the lost souls thing, given we had one in SNK Heroines (perhaps it’s Jeanne again, maybe not). I like how they acknowledge 3 Count Bout, and I feel like even more franchises could get stage representation; such as Burning Fight and King of the Monsters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Niitris on January 12, 2021, 04:24:14 AM
Much better debut trailer than XIV, even if that was a bar so low you could walk over it.

Excited to see who'll they'll add in this game. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on January 12, 2021, 04:41:17 AM
They got big bouncy titties in the game with no issue.

KOF XV is an instant buy in my book.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 12, 2021, 04:48:36 AM
They got big bouncy titties in the game with no issue.

KOF XV is an instant buy in my book.

Dammit Lui lmao

Mai's still need to be fixed... they're oddly triangular. Imo anyways, and kinda saggy.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on January 12, 2021, 05:04:42 AM
They got big bouncy titties in the game with no issue.

KOF XV is an instant buy in my book.

Dammit Lui lmao

Mai's still need to be fixed... they're oddly triangular. Imo anyways, and kinda saggy.

Hey man I never said they were *perfect*, they're there and that's what I like >:]
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 12, 2021, 05:05:41 AM
They got big bouncy titties in the game with no issue.

KOF XV is an instant buy in my book.

Dammit Lui lmao

Mai's still need to be fixed... they're oddly triangular. Imo anyways, and kinda saggy.

Hey man I never said they were *perfect*, they're there and that's what I like >:]

Shut up before I throw you in the trash lmfao
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: T_DR on January 12, 2021, 05:20:04 AM
I hear people talk about Michael Max. Sure, it would be interesting to see them re-imagine the character. I would not mind Rick Strowd or Axel Hawk either. SNK got a lot of boxers after all.

However, if there were any a out of left-field character they could add it would be someone like Temjin lol.

Since were talking about Michael Max here, When I played Fatal Fury 1 for the first time on PSP via Snk Arcade Classics Vol. 1, his theme song was the most nostalgic for me and I was really suprised that his theme made it to Smash Ultimate.

On the topic of Art of Fighting characters, there are many characters that I wanna see comeback. I personally would like to see Jack Turner, John Crawley and Mickey Rogers return.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on January 12, 2021, 09:08:53 AM
They got big bouncy titties in the game with no issue.

KOF XV is an instant buy in my book.

Dammit Lui lmao

Mai's still need to be fixed... they're oddly triangular. Imo anyways, and kinda saggy.

Hey man I never said they were *perfect*, they're there and that's what I like >:]

Shut up before I throw you in the trash lmfao

Haha, good riddance to bad rubbish.

Anyhow, glad that this teaser got uploaded and the way I see it, it looks more cleaner. Sure, the chars are back from the previous KOF tournament. I wish for my characters like Shingo, Adelheid and the underrated one, Jin Fu-ha from Art of Fighting 3. He made a cameo in KOF XII.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 12, 2021, 11:40:14 PM
Someone made a video about the possibility of The Red Dragon from 3 Count Bout possibly being introduced to the series here;



Whether this is to be a one-and-done deal like other obscure comebacks in the series (RIP to Hwa Jai, Richard Meyer, Silber, and the like, I guess) or if he’s here to stay as a semi-recurring character like the likes of Raiden is unclear. I wonder if we will ever get a Street Smart character returning again (even as a cameo)?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 13, 2021, 12:47:35 AM
Well, this someone is smelling coccaine.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on January 13, 2021, 03:35:17 AM
Haha, good riddance to bad rubbish.

shut the fuck up Gtaguy. stay quiet and stop trying to one-up me in any area im in, both here and in discord.



you will never be apart of the joke. you are the joke.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: JtheSaltyy on January 13, 2021, 04:39:19 AM
If there was anything gameplay wise I would want to see in KOF XV, I would personally like the game itself to not  have so much emphasis on rushdown. I know KOF as a series uses rushdown as it’s main form of gameplay style but at least a little variety would be nice, since in KOF 14 everyone had one strategy and that was hyper hopping towards you then performing a lot of block strings in the corner. I’m not saying the rushdown should be completely gone, but I would like to see the rushdown not be so heavily emphasized, and a little variety between character archetypes would be better for the gameplay overall.

also I want a Rugal reveal but I’d have to look at another shitty shun ei design and 100000 other Mai outfits first but I can wait.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on January 13, 2021, 05:17:11 AM
Well, this someone is smelling coccaine.

lol xD

but I’d have to look at another shitty shun ei design

Exactly, Shun'ei's outfit and his whole design is boring.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 13, 2021, 06:51:14 AM
So Mui Mui and Love Heart are a no-go because of rights issues this time, right?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 13, 2021, 06:58:38 AM
So Mui Mui and Love Heart are a no-go because of rights issues this time, right?

I think SNK got to keep Mui Mui, but Highlights (who bought Love Heart and probably the rest of the pachinko stuff that isn’t Mui Mui) closed in 2019, leaving her in a legal limbo as an orphan work. I kinda expect Jeanne to replace her at this point.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on January 13, 2021, 09:01:16 AM
Haha, good riddance to bad rubbish.

shut the fuck up Gtaguy. stay quiet and stop trying to one-up me in any area im in, both here and in discord.



you will never be apart of the joke. you are the joke.

Objection, you are the joke. You get no help from me anymore.

Anyway, back to the topic. It's obvious that K9999 and some other fighters might be left the dust. I'm surely I'll go for any character that will redesign and good enough for the new KOF game. I'll go for Jin, so he'll be #1 wanted character.

As to be expecting, there will be a SNK final boss syndrome and cheap as hell as I've and some of you encountered. Either a return robot version of Rugal, some demon from other space in MI2 or the last game.
Also, bring out the Metal Slug tank bonus game or some all stars SNK as guest fighters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 13, 2021, 09:06:02 AM
It's obvious that K9999 and some other fighters might be left the dust.

K9999 getting left in the dust isn't just likely, it's guaranteed. I'll shit bricks if he pops up in this game. Nameless is more likely and he's not even canon.

Also Lui ain't no joke, he cool. Take whatever beef you've got with him somewhere private, publicly being passive aggressive towards someone is just scummy and straight up stupid lmao
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 14, 2021, 02:33:58 AM


Why is the SNK fandom so ridiculously speculative? Raiden has been a semi-recurring character in the series, unlike Red Dragon who would be making his debut.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 14, 2021, 02:37:18 AM
Hype I guess? People wanna get excited.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on January 14, 2021, 03:11:41 AM
Trailer of Shuen'ei
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 14, 2021, 03:26:05 AM
So... Weekly trailer for each character ?
Also edgy teen calling his enemy "you're such a child" because of course. At least he's going easy on the angst now.
They went real hard on those leather and wool etc. textures, uh.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 14, 2021, 03:29:02 AM
Quite possibly. Looks rather nice in motion from what I can see, but I REALLY need to stop looking at the comments. Yikes...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 14, 2021, 03:39:11 AM
Does anyone in the editing department know how to do combos because this showcase of normals and specials at a fraction of a second each ain't working for me.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on January 14, 2021, 04:33:10 AM
Trailer of Shuen'ei
[youtube]https://youtu.be/X7Xezys7tZQ[/youtube]

the game is getting better but one character for trailer hehe noo way :/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 14, 2021, 04:49:28 AM
Hopefully they won't show just one character each week, otherwise they'll only finish showing all characters next year.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 14, 2021, 05:02:43 AM
Fingers crossed the roster's size can match XIV's. Maybe not 1:1 but close enough.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 14, 2021, 05:33:48 AM
I have a strong feeling it will come to PS4 and PC version with a PS5 soon after (Because of COVID an arcade version is less likely). As for the roster, I think they will start with the regulars first and then the returning characters that hasn't been in KOF for a while, and brand new characters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 14, 2021, 10:59:36 AM
Glad to finally see something close to actual gameplya.
But they got crazy with jumpcuts.
Feel like they try to hide some possible bad looking stuff.

Beside of that.
I feel like KYO and SHUN EI's models are pretty OK to me.
I just don't like the actual design of Shun Ei. (personal taste)

I wish some more news will come in the future weeks...
I don't want to expect anymore, I will just wait and see if they can improve in various points. :mhmm:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 14, 2021, 01:11:36 PM
Glad to finally see something close to actual gameplya.
But they got crazy with jumpcuts.
Feel like they try to hide some possible bad looking stuff.
Every single fighting game trailer is cut like that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 14, 2021, 01:14:50 PM
Glad to finally see something close to actual gameplya.
But they got crazy with jumpcuts.
Feel like they try to hide some possible bad looking stuff.
Every single fighting game trailer is cut like that.

This one is still pretty aggressive in the cut itself.
EDIT : in this one, I cannot even understand what happen. Other fighting games trailers cuts is usually not that aggressive.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 14, 2021, 06:22:57 PM
In the KOFAS trailers they repeat the same move 2 or 3 times to drive the idea home. Here they only show it once for you to replay several times in slow motion and dissect what's going on.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 14, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
https://youtu.be/YILerS7DVEU
https://youtu.be/kKZk8ULvlAQ
https://youtu.be/AGI8F48lv24
https://youtu.be/OksMT-OBaaM
??
Sure Shun'ei is faster, but it's still the same series of half second-long clips of a single attack each. It's nothing unusual. It's a bad cut, but let's not pretend this is very different from what we're used to.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 14, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
https://youtu.be/YILerS7DVEU
https://youtu.be/kKZk8ULvlAQ
https://youtu.be/AGI8F48lv24
https://youtu.be/OksMT-OBaaM
??
Sure Shun'ei is faster, but it's still the same series of half second-long clips of a single attack each. It's nothing unusual. It's a bad cut, but let's not pretend this is very different from what we're used to.

Yes, thanks for posting some references.
It helps understanding some elements.
Perhaps my english is not good enough.

Of course, there is always cuts in trailers, to give some hype feeling (perhaps my sentence is bad)

Still with these older trailers, the action is understandable. You can clearly see what happen in 90% of these cuts.

In KOFXV trailer, it's "frantic" (again, not sure if the sentence makes sense)
I truely cannot see what happen in some of them. The cuts are really fast, short, I don't know how to explain better.
It doesn't really give me hype right now. Most of these older trailers still do it better.

This is my point of view.
Perhaps I'm a bit too old to like this level of fast cuts (in this particular kofXV trailer)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on January 15, 2021, 12:46:16 AM
Kof XIV 2.0  :mlol:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 12:52:20 AM
Holy crap it's practically the same.

Ew.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 15, 2021, 12:58:22 AM
Ya know, I looked up a random Vanilla SF4 character reveal from over a decade ago and while it's not as flashy as Blazblue's reveals, it went straight to the point of what is new with the character being highlighted.

Are you saying based on this 'trailer', the only thing new for Shun are different air dash commands that if you blink you'll miss?

I feel like they should have waited until they revealed more core mechanics so they can properly demonstrate Shun's (and everyone else's) new utilties.  Makes the whole individual showcase thing a lot more meaningful IMO.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on January 15, 2021, 01:09:43 AM
Ya know, I looked up a random Vanilla SF4 character reveal from over a decade ago and while it's not as flashy as Blazblue's reveals, it went straight to the point of what is new with the character being highlighted.

Are you saying based on this 'trailer', the only thing new for Shun are different air dash commands that if you blink you'll miss?

I feel like they should have waited until they revealed more core mechanics so they can properly demonstrate Shun's (and everyone else's) new utilties.  Makes the whole individual showcase thing a lot more meaningful IMO.

yes.! you are right, they didnt show anything new in that trailer :/ literaly they are selling the same game 2.0 instead of patch KOF XIV but I hope to get my hype again on the next trailers because Im so disapointed right now. :/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 15, 2021, 01:25:51 AM
Why all this complaining?

I mean, of course, could be a bit deceiving not showing new stuff and all, yet we saw:

- New designs for Kyo and Benimaru.
- New stages
- New graphic style(PLEASE, FIX MAI'S BOOBS)
- Benimaru and Kyo interaction. This may hint character interactions before the fight OR story mode.

I may left something here on there(I'm not a good KOF player/follower), but just keep with it instead being offended with "no new stuff". Feels a rushed trailer? Yes, sure. But it shown some few new stuff.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 01:28:52 AM
With the wait for KOF XV none of this feels like a grand enough reveal and with Shun'ei's 45 second long trailer, it didn't feel worth the wait. I didn't see anything new with him. I would've liked to see something more substantially new.

It was 45 seconds of nothing really clearly new and unique and it doesn't really cement KOF XV as worthy of hype atm.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 15, 2021, 01:29:41 AM
It's just Shun's trailer for me.  The main trailer is fine with what's to come.  In fact, it got me intriguied with the new story setting and interactions.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
It's just Shun's trailer for me.  The main trailer is fine with what's to come.  In fact, it got me intriguied with the new story setting and interactions.

I'll give em credit, I do like that.

I wish Shun's trailer showed more tho. 45 seconds of the KOF XIV protag looking... basically the same, albeit in a different graphical style, doesn't really cut it for me. With all the criticism against Shun'ei, from his bad design to blandness as a character, this trailer for him doesn't sell me on why I should give a damn that he's the playable protagonist.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 15, 2021, 02:23:05 AM
Shun'ei is brand new and the least likely to get a revamped moveset already. I'm also not expecting Kyo to get anything new (beside maybe his ultimate but I don't expect anything straying too far from that one punch), just waiting to see which ones of the classic moves he'll get. And if he gets the Mu Shiki because come on. Benimaru I'm surprised that they cared enough to change his design, but his movelist ? Not a chance. For some of those characters, it's a given that they'll play up the ability to pull out those same combos you know by heart since '96.

what I want to see is if characters like Kim, Ryo, Takuma, Andy, King etc. will get new moves and designs (come on Mr. Karate II already ! Grow older !), and if Iori will be flameless (yeah like that's happening) or at least incorporate some variations of his flameless attacks (but better because his XII/XIII moves are lame). I'll be annoyed if Iori has yet again the exact same movelist he's had all these years with barely a couple new things - but then again I still expect it. That's the biggest expectation I'd really like to see shattered : throw a wrench in all those legacy movelists already. I don't care to see the exact same combos that have been around since '96.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 02:37:06 AM
Benimaru I'm surprised that they cared enough to change his design

I feel like this makes sense in canon considering he's a model lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 15, 2021, 04:01:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErvSbX8VgAER7V5?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 07:49:45 AM
Though I appreciate the designer's efforts in creating these characters, I find the new ones like Shun, Sylvie, Xanadu, Mian, etc pretty un-KOF looking.

I think the reason why is because KOF was always pretty simple looking compared to other 2D fighting games in its era.

Iori had 3 (Red, Blue, White) colors
Kim had 2 (White, Blue) colors
Ryo had 1 (Orange) colors

New characters like Shun and Sylvie has a gazillion number of colors that hurts my eyes.
That's why I liked Luon, Anotonov and Najd's designs since they are quite simple yet defining.

I think simpler the better for KOF character designs.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 15, 2021, 08:02:04 AM
Yes I think you're so right about design, I feel pretty much the same.

"""""most""""" classic Kof characters design seems to be something you almost would like to wear in real life.
Not ACTUALLY, but kind of, ok, kind of. They usually from my point of view, look stylish with really few colors.

Since late 3D KOF, they got crazy with colors and unfitting designs. (it was already the case with some strange ones in MI)

Shun Ei particularly looks like a mish mash of unrelated elements of various colors taken from various pop culture trendy medias.
Like if they tried to catch the eye of non-fighting game players.
Again, this is my point of view. I'm not saying this is true, just my opinion.

Also, about the actual appearance of the game. I don't think much about it anymore.
I think there are some chances they possibly improves it later.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 08:08:17 AM
3D character models often focus on adding in tons of little details and a bajillion colors and often look more stiff than Kim's pants in XIV.

Sprite based fighters always get to take the simple dimensions and graphics they have and push them to add more personality and depth.

3D is so much harder. So, so, so much harder. A lot of the depth and personality is ultimately lost.

I wish Shun'ei could've been created back in, say, KOF XI or something, or prior to that. If he had the chance to be made with the older style, his design likely woulda been much better.

And this isn't me trying to sound like a "the new shit is cancer old shit for life" type of "fan", tbh I've come to realize that a lot of 3D fighters often look super lifeless like KOF XIV.

Shun'ei looks like someone opened blender for the first time and was like "holy crap I can just put all this stuff in here???" He looks like walking default assets thrown on a generic character model. I mean hell his FACE still looks like plastic, as opposed to Kyo who, while a bit odd looking, is oozing in personality from his face now. His expressions look way more like the original KOF got brought to life now.

Shun'ei looks like he doesn't belong here. I wish his powers were on a much better utilized character, with a better personality. Fingers crossed that somehow, Shun'ei's story in this game manages to save him from the trash heap.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on January 15, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
I say this as someone who doesn't have Shun'ei in a list of absolute favorite character designs, but still personally likes his look: He looks less like a KOF character and looks more like a Blazblue OC.

As far as this trailer goes, it's really not a good one. Between the blink and you'll miss it jump cuts which are so frequent that as many people have said already, it feels more like they're trying to hide more than they show, and the fact that it doesn't really show anything super new including gameplay mechanics? It just feels like they had to rush this out just to get it out.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 15, 2021, 10:54:57 AM


Sprite based fighters always get to take the simple dimensions and graphics they have and push them to add more personality and depth.

3D is so much harder. So, so, so much harder. A lot of the depth and personality is ultimately lost.


I don't agree with you. Look at Tekken and how from its firts iteration each character(even in the 3D model) have its own personality(except King/Armor King/Yoshimitsu/Kunimitsu because of the masks; and Nina-Anna-Michelle because they look plain generic woman face).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Niitris on January 15, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
KoF has always been about what's trendy for the times. In the early and mid-90s, it was simple looking characters that could easily be cosplayed. Later on when the more popular JRPGs introduced more elaborate "fantasy" designs, SNK followed suit. I really wonder how Ash, Liz, and Duolon turn out if mainline-KoF was 3D when they debuted.

I like the new characters in XIV. They give KoF a nice, modern flavor to mix in with the older, legacy cast.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 15, 2021, 12:43:39 PM
I'd have to wonder how on earth Duo Lon's foot would work in 3D. XD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 01:28:08 PM
Sorry to say, but I just cannot agree with the idea that KOF XIV char design is "fresh" and "innovative".
The sole reason is because that KOF ALL STAR, a mobile game has better/classier looking designs than KOF XIV.

Here's XIV's attempt at char design
(https://kofallstarx.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Sylvie_Paula_KOFXIV.png)

and here's ALL STAR's rendition of a new KOF character
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHQ2I48Dg69GYx_DXhYy-TxeEe6a7RiG6Dyg&usqp=CAU)

It's clear that a Korean mobile game company has better taste in creating a KOF char than SNK themselves...

I REAAALLLLYYY hope that KOF XV has better designs in general and not some Sylvie-styled color schemes any more...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 15, 2021, 02:15:14 PM
Sylvie was based on a specific j-pop singer who did look like that, her design is irrelevant to the usual skills of the character designers. But it does clearly show what they take inspiration from at the time.
The same game also has
"angsty modern teen with headphones" Shun'ei (wearing headphones isn't really a new idea to show an aloof loner teen)
pajama psychic boy Meitenkun
the sand guy
Geese's chess playing buttler
elite-but-shady-teacher Gang-il (my personal fav of the new XIV guys)
Chinese theater mask girl
a wrestler in a dino suit (that's a new design even if it's an existing character)
a Brazilian ninja
a metal arm boxer
so it's still very varied and touches a lot of bases. Try comparing Gang-il or buttler boy to Kaya instead.
Just because you hate ONE of them doesn't mean much about the designers' tastes.
(well, there's a bunch of those that I don't care for myself, but that was already the case before with the likes of Chin and Choi anyway)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 15, 2021, 02:48:00 PM
sylvie is one of the most exciting designs for a fighting game character in a long time. a fighting game character based on an established niche style of clothing. theres nothing "classy" about that KOF AS design, its literally the same generic blonde femme fatale you get in pretty much every fighting game on the market. sylvie was based on harajuku/j-pop style aesthetics. she's not random for the sake of it, its just the style.

while im on that tangent, mian is similarly a very cool design based on an existing cultural phenomena. xanadu is a little unappealing aesthetically, but at least he too is something different.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 03:08:23 PM
The point was that not all influence and/or design matches the aesthetics of KOF universe.
Just because Sylvie pays homage to a J-Pop singer doesn't make her "KOF-looking" rather, the very opposite.

It's like Noctis and Negan in Tekken 7. There's some things that should be left out instead of in.

If you'd showed me a picture of Terry and Iori next to Sylvie and Shun'ei in the past and told me they were from the same franchise, I would've laughed and told you to gtfo.

At least Kaya looks like a KOF-esque design. Many of the newer characters look tacky and so KOF MI-ish that it makes me cringe just thinking about the devs agreeing with each other thinking that this was a good idea.

My personal two cents on this KOF design topic.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 15, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
KoF has always been about what's trendy for the times. In the early and mid-90s, it was simple looking characters that could easily be cosplayed. Later on when the more popular JRPGs introduced more elaborate "fantasy" designs, SNK followed suit.
(https://i.imgur.com/drz95pv.png)

yup

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 15, 2021, 04:01:10 PM
The answer to all of these posts is the same:
I think the reason why is because KOF was always pretty simple looking compared to other 2D fighting games in its era.
Iori had 3 (Red, Blue, White) colors
Kim had 2 (White, Blue) colors
Ryo had 1 (Orange) colors

New characters like Shun and Sylvie has a gazillion number of colors that hurts my eyes.
"""""most""""" classic Kof characters design seems to be something you almost would like to wear in real life.
Not ACTUALLY, but kind of, ok, kind of. They usually from my point of view, look stylish with really few colors.

Since late 3D KOF, they got crazy with colors and unfitting designs. (it was already the case with some strange ones in MI)
3D character models often focus on adding in tons of little details and a bajillion colors and often look more stiff than Kim's pants in XIV.

Sprite based fighters always get to take the simple dimensions and graphics they have and push them to add more personality and depth.

- Hardware limitations.

Back in the day you could only use 15 colors. The advent of 3D graphics means they're no longer restricted, they can FINALLY design whatever they want.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 15, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
the sand guy turned hentai enthusiast
Character development.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
Sure.
I know that arcade machines were pretty limited despite their pretty big size, but that's beside the point.

But just because they get more technological freedom doesn't really make up for their bad color decisions and rather unorthodox design choices.

If you really look deep into KOF designs, they were always stylized, but not too exaggerated.
They also reflected each characters' professions as well as their characteristics too.

Kyo = Hot headed high school student
Iori = Edgy rock band member
Chizuru = A traditional Japanese priestess
Athena = An optimistic idol
Kim = A TKD master
Mature & Vice = Secretaries
Ralf & Clark = Soldiers
etc

and......

Shun'ei = A boy prodigy with devil like powers?
Sylvie = what, a failed NESTS experiment?

How can you look at Shun'ei or Sylvie at first glance and think he/she is what they are "described" to be?
Hell, I'd take it if Sylvie was introduced to be a quirky idol rivaling that of Athena or smth, but her bio is irrelevant, her personality is flat, her design (despite being unique) is out of place.

That is nothing to do with how she looks on paper.

I criticize the way the devs presented their "new and fresh" designs to the audience. It was way too out of the blue imo. That's why they were heavily criticized.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 15, 2021, 05:00:51 PM
I know that arcade machines were pretty limited despite their pretty big size, but that's beside the point
No, not beside the point, it's the whole point! Ryu and Ken wore literally one color clothing back in 1992. This is why RYO had same colored hair as his Gi. It's the reason why characters were designed a certain way. SNK even mentioned this new design philosophy in interviews. Something along the lines of "we can design things that would give nightmares to our old graphic artists from the Neo Geo era".

They also reflected each characters' professions as well as their characteristics too.

Kyo = Hot headed high school student
[...]
Shun'ei = A boy prodigy with devil like powers?
You just tried to imply Kyo and Shun'ei aren't exactly just the same character. Let me change the wording - "An edgy, rebellious teenager fighting prodigy with a special power that ties him to the overarching plot" <- See? They're the same. They just gave it a new coat of paint with no hardware restrictions to appeal to younger audiences in 2014, not 1994.

(https://i.imgur.com/aTSVptl.gif)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 15, 2021, 05:15:28 PM
good stuff walt, i hadn't even thought about the implications of the earlier character design- the series design has always been a reflection of fashion trends and thats heavily emphasized in the concept art.

just another reason sylvie is the GOAT
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 15, 2021, 05:21:11 PM
Kyo = Hot headed high school student
Iori = Edgy rock band member
Chizuru = A traditional Japanese priestess
Athena = An optimistic idol
Kim = A TKD master
Mature & Vice = Secretaries
Ralf & Clark = Soldiers
etc

and......

Shun'ei = A boy prodigy with devil like powers?
Sylvie = what, a failed NESTS experiment?
Okay, this comparison is pure bullshit. You're talking about Shun'ei's powers as if they're something ridiculous, but Kyo, Iori and Chizuru have ancient powers from their clans (who, correct me if I'm wrong, were supposed to defeat a god), Athena is part of the Psycho Soldier team for a reason, Mature can cut through air and Vice has super strenght. I'd ask you what is the difference, but I know what the answer is: stupid whining, just like people who play Pokémon and say only Gen 1 had good designs.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 15, 2021, 05:23:45 PM
Yeah, claiming that Shun'ei's powers are less explained than Kyo's is not very honest. Kyo's powers turned out to be directly connected to the big bad of the story, Orochi, as a bunch of old mythology. Consider that Shun'ei is in the same situation.
Mature and Vice are even worse, they were introduced as Rugal's secretaries, somehow got superhuman powers in 96, and did the game ever actually say they got those powers from Orochi beside just saying they served him ? The whole hakkeshuu shtick is never completely explained In actual canon as I recall.

Sylvie's backstory is that she got out of NESTS when it collapsed and now she's trying to pass as a normal person who happened to turn pop star. The design can reflect her own tastes and not necessarily her power archetype. That should be something to call actual good character design, because that's how you make characters that aren't one dimensional. how is that even different from Athena, another pop star who has psychic powers ? Sylvie is another pop star who has lightning powers.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 05:35:49 PM
(A) No, not beside the point, it's the whole point!
[...]
(B) You just tried to imply Kyo and Shun'ei aren't exactly just the same character. Let me change the wording - "An edgy, rebellious teenager fighting prodigy with a special power that ties him to the overarching plot" <- See? They're the same. They just gave it a new coat of paint with no hardware restrictions to appeal to younger audiences in 2014, not 1994.

(A) No, the past is the past. It is irrelevant to KOF XV.
If you are telling me that SNK always wanted to create characters with outrageous designs and that now they are fulfilling their wishes, then that's a darn shame tbh.

Older KOF character designs are what made them famous in the first place. Judging by the overall reception of the most recent game, I think KOF XV won't be a huge turning point for the company either unlike KOF XIII which was artistically heavily traditional.

(B) Your description of Kyo is misplaced from the very beginning.
He was 19 in KOF'94, therefore was NOT a teenager indeed. But he was a high school student nonetheless for bad grades :P.
See? Even your generalized perception of Kyo and Shun'ei was wrong 3 words in from the start of the sentence.

What we know for sure is that his clothes reflect the general Japanese high school student's and therefore allows us to realize that his profession is still a student.

Shun'ei's design is ehhhhhhh.... How can I put this civilly... Confusing?

You don't see a Chinese high school student with that sort of fashion.
Here's a reference to a generic high school student in China:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/MSNVCwY_SalHZbYHYQrCbdwUUkIJcv2v2mtDbvDiFQcfWw-feHHnD50LiYy8w9391axH4bYmRg5or4xCKKOW-MQskQPmmRyGSZlbQYkerk0cBBBs9IBf1p1-TXlwq2aLkvxAPC846iQS1kWOeX7jfB15OTeVOe4kDgEnGKrL-efj)
This is Shun'ei:
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/19c67e03-4089-4af6-bcd7-6d0b90698ce9/dab0mkf-6d3dcbb0-8e10-43c6-9949-13846b8bea7d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMTljNjdlMDMtNDA4OS00YWY2LWJjZDctNmQwYjkwNjk4Y2U5XC9kYWIwbWtmLTZkM2RjYmIwLThlMTAtNDNjNi05OTQ5LTEzODQ2YjhiZWE3ZC5wbmcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.mfCFr286y-a_muKcJ8ecO8tAM-tB0zXPcLIuyek_g5c)
He looks more like a damn superhero than a high school student.

Either his design is too over the top (which is the case for MANY new characters in KOF) or he just wears like a goof.
Just to make my point more clear, here are some appropriate/more realistic comparisons of actual good KOF designs:
Japanese high school student:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1136135809294200833/6UwWAZ9g.png)(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/49/07/fe4907a8f74c61f473e0233577bf9bee.jpg)
Traditional Japanese Priestess clothes:
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b196fc2b-a300-4657-8874-405412e7d147/dcqnxvm-b8108f20-94f8-420d-b210-f57f3b94f251.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjE5NmZjMmItYTMwMC00NjU3LTg4NzQtNDA1NDEyZTdkMTQ3XC9kY3FueHZtLWI4MTA4ZjIwLTk0ZjgtNDIwZC1iMjEwLWY1N2YzYjk0ZjI1MS5wbmcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.UMiluW-WJ1FtESJjP8nFkI4Mbfw_bH2UGxz-wBHX0rw)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41yXod2wftL.jpg)
ETC...

The new designs...
(https://media.tenor.com/images/f46fcc5c60c32674b00bbb143d235191/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 05:46:36 PM
Okay, this comparison is pure bullshit. You're talking about Shun'ei's powers as if they're something ridiculous,

No, I'm actually not. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I am criticizing the lack of Shun'ei's distinctiveness regarding his design in KOF XIV.
At first glance, you wouldn't know what that kid is about.

Judging by his skills, you'd think he is indeed "a boy prodigy with devil like powers". That's not a bad thing.
Hell, Kyo and Iori has flames coming out of their hands.

The reason why I chose to criticize Shun'ei, Sylvie, Meitenkun, Mian, and even Verse's design is that they look so awkward and out of place that it makes me rethink whether I'm playing KOF or not.

Honestly, does Verse even feel like he fits in the franchise?
Meitenkun is another design catastrophe that I can't fathom beyond disbelief.

KOF XIV had the most random designs ever and I think I'm not the only person who feels that way.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 06:23:39 PM
One thing I wanna criticize (again if I already have) is Shun’ei’s face.

He still looks super expressionless and dead inside — whereas Kyo’s new face is oozing personality.

I know it’s not an uncommon practice to do this but it REALLY feels like Shun’s model was just lifted from KOF XIV. I feel like if his personality and body language was a bit more expressive and diverse he’d be a more interesting character despite his design.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: JudaiZX on January 15, 2021, 06:36:40 PM
Shun'ei is just what happens when you open up Soul Calibur creation mode, hit random all, and just go with it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 15, 2021, 06:50:39 PM
I also feel like KOF designs could be better.
Since  KofXIV, it seems like they want to attract the average new "weebo" with flashy designs.

It's true that most KOF oldschool designs are a bit outdated now.
But I would had wished for less "out of place" designs like Shun'Ei and Meitenkun as exemples...
Sometimes, Shun'Ei just reminds me her from Tekken7 :
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Even if her color scheme is more "consistent" (not sure of the word here)

They also did good ones (to my tastes) like Luong, Nelson... (even if his model is a bit meh compared to the drawing concepts...)
What they did to Kyo in 14 is an exemple of bad taste design idea, (for my own perception) They tried to make him cool for 2010+ audience.
I'm glad we're back to some "kind of" more "classic" Kyo in 15.

I THINK, fighting games needs archetypes, In Street fighter games, archetypes were really simple : Karate guy, sumo, boxer etc.
In KOF, and SNK games in general, I think we always had some stylish choices in costumes and designs. More details, """orenaments""" etc.
But Ithink, it was never with excess.
The excess of uneccessary details with 14 was from amy point of view a bad choice.
A good design of character doesn't need so many flashy colors and tons of details.

To me, quality of design and conept of character is not based on the quantity of colors and details. (even with 3D and less limitations of textures etc)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 06:54:07 PM
Ugh, don't even bring up Tekken 7's design choices...

I can start another massive discussion regarding that train wreck.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 15, 2021, 07:03:08 PM
I have a question. Something that keeps me awake during nights. SO forget the war about Shun'ei and Mikun and Kyo and such:

ARE LUONG AND GANG-IL AN OPEN MINDED COUPLE? The way she speaks to Kim(and so many others) and Gang not being bothered...they seem to be swingers @_@.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: KarmaCharmeleon on January 15, 2021, 07:06:52 PM
Shun'ei is just what happens when you open up Soul Calibur creation mode, hit random all, and just go with it.

Just like all of Yu-Gi-Oh! main characters!

____

I like Shun'ei, I don't mind his design being heavily inspired on Persona. I don't think it clashes with KoF, a 20 year old franchise is bound to have radically different character designs over time, especially when it goes ham on troupes and archetypes. Barring Garou outfit Terry looks pretty much like the same american stereotype he ever was, and I doubt someone cared about him clashing with the sci-fi aesthetic of K' in KoF 2000 (or the sci-fi aesthetic of K' clashing with the design of the classic 90s characters).

Character designs are bound to be loved and hated by people with different tastes. Its just like clothes or music. I cringe to death when I read people trying to use arguments to make their opinions look like "facts" rooted in objective criticism (positive or negative). An superficial opinion its naturally subjective. Its okay for people not to like how a character looks, just like its okay for other people to like it.

Besides, Shun'ei plays super smooth but you guys would not know that because you are too busy counting how many colors and belts he has :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
I have a question. Something that keeps me awake during nights. SO forget the war about Shun'ei and Mikun and Kyo and such:

ARE LUONG AND GANG-IL AN OPEN MINDED COUPLE? The way she speaks to Kim(and so many others) and Gang not being bothered...they seem to be swingers @_@.

Dunno, but I'm sure Luong is just teasing Kim cuz he's super traditional and all :P.

Besides, Shun'ei plays super smooth but you guys would not know that because you are too busy counting how many colors and belts he has :)

You do you darlin' :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 07:22:16 PM
Tbh I think if they took away Shun’s headphones and chain and rolled down his other paint leg he would look pretty decent.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: JudaiZX on January 15, 2021, 07:23:49 PM
Shun'ei is just what happens when you open up Soul Calibur creation mode, hit random all, and just go with it.

Just like all of Yu-Gi-Oh! main characters!

only post 5ds Era starting with Zexal. Aside from the weird multicolored hair the protags tend to have (Except for the one in my profile which I assumed you chose to call this series out because of it, which I dont know why because Judai has the most normal hair out of all them.) The design elements on on their outfits fit the setting of their respective series.

things really didn't start getting dumb until after Zexal and thats because 5ds was the last one the original creator, Kazuki Takahashi, had any involvement with
(I did not expect a KOF thread to be the place where I'd have explain deep yugioh lore)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
Besides, Shun'ei plays super smooth but you guys would not know that because you are too busy counting how many colors and belts he has :)

I got no issue with his gameplay really — much like I enjoy Marvel vs Capcom Infinite’s gameplay.

But much like MVC Infinite, Shun’ei’s gameplay, for me, isn’t great enough to make up for the other flaws he has. MVCI plays great but it doesn’t keep me from being disappointed in the game’s... everything else.

Shun has potential. It just feels like they aren’t acting on it. In terms of gameplay, it’s great that he plays good! In terms of lore and story and world building, I’m not invested in him whatsoever.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 15, 2021, 07:29:25 PM
Okay, this comparison is pure bullshit. You're talking about Shun'ei's powers as if they're something ridiculous,

No, I'm actually not. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Yes, you are. You purposely omitted the powers from all other characters' descriptions, while mentioning Shun'ei's as if he is an outlier, which he isn't. Your comparison is flawed, to say the least.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: KarmaCharmeleon on January 15, 2021, 07:38:25 PM
The design elements on on their outfits fit the setting of their respective series.
Just like the design elements of the outfits of the KoF protagonists fit the setting of their respective sagas :P nice, you get it.
And by no means I'm against Yu-Gi-Oh! character design. I'm totally okay with Yugi sometimes looking like a bdsm enthusiast with a jacket over his shoulder

(I did not expect a KOF thread to be the place where I'd have explain deep yugioh lore)
deep yugioh lore lmao
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 15, 2021, 07:44:41 PM
Okay, this comparison is pure bullshit. You're talking about Shun'ei's powers as if they're something ridiculous,

No, I'm actually not. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Yes, you are. You purposely omitted the powers from all other characters' descriptions, while mentioning Shun'ei's as if he is an outlier, which he isn't. Your comparison is flawed, to say the least.

First of all, I was mentioning his lore not his specific powers. His leaks described him so as well as the official bio so don't expect me to make further explanations on that.
&
Also, becuz that's literally the only visual aspect that is remotely recognizable...?
Devil hands coming out of thin air... DEVIL POWERS?! Huh, go figure.

And how else am I supposed to describe a aesthetically clueless design that matches no realistic counterparts except for describing his specifically tailored lore?

Trust me.
As a South Korean who has lived/visited both Korea, China and Japan I know that is not how Chinese high school students wear.

If you told me that Shun's design was based off of a Chinese high school student, I'd assume you've never even been near a Chinese high school or matter of fact any East Asian high school or you are in fact delusional.

That is something you'd see a police officer wear on the streets.
They don't dye their hair teal nor do they allow such street wears in a strictly government supervised school.

Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 15, 2021, 08:50:27 PM
Devil hands coming out of thin air... DEVIL POWERS?! Huh, go figure.
Devil hands are not a thing (except for idle playthings). I have no idea where you picked up that expression. Giant floating hands would sooner make me think of a puppeteer (inverted in Shun'ei's case, he's the puppeteer, the hands are the puppets), or the Smash Bros boss, or a Jojo Stand. Not the devil.

edit - in fact, Shun'ei looks like he's a step away from being a goth kid who has giant puppet hands as a power and he's the one dressing them up to pretend they're demonic.

And how else am I supposed to describe a aesthetically clueless design that matches no realistic counterparts except for describing his specifically tailored lore?
Right, tell us you've never seen an angsty teen wear headphones and a jacket over the shoulders and unkempt shirt and pants with a chain. Go on.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 15, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
A few team-ups I want to see:

* Luong replacing Xanadu in the Korea Team; with her having Chang and Choi to fit that timeless "female boss crook and two dumb henchmen" trio that has existed since Yatterman.
* Kim and one of his sons alongside Alice Chrysler as a fighter. Maybe Kim Sue-Il could get in there too.
* Jeanne joining the Another World team to replace Love Heart, who's owners closed in 2019. Maybe we could get Cham-Cham in if we wanted a bigger shake-up. Perhaps Nakoruru could even bring over Rimururu/Rera? Not TOO many SamSho characters; the series is now once again active.
* For Shermie? Either New Faces or Orochi Ladies could work.
* A "wrestling team" with Raiden/Big Bear, Red Dragon/Gandhara, and Angel. Maybe work in Tizoc?
* At least one team of all-new characters.
* Alternatively, put Tizoc, Zarina, and Angel on one team for South America.
* The "Tales of Ash" team with Elizabeth, Ash, and Shen Woo.
* American Sports Team make a proper return, even with members shifted around.
* A "Junior Southtown Team" with the likes of Alfred Airhawk, Tsugumi Sendoh, and Li Xiangfei in its ranks.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 15, 2021, 09:36:52 PM
Right, tell us you've never seen an angsty teen wear headphones and a jacket over the shoulders and unkempt shirt and pants with a chain. Go on.

I’ve seen angsty teens with headphones and unkempt clothes but never with chains and jacket capes. It also doesn’t help Shun’ei’s color scheme makes him look less angsty and more “unironically ironically edgy”.

I’ve never seen anyone quite like him. At least with the other characters I can believe a lot of their attires. Shun’ei looks like someone who has never cosplayed before, trying to cosplay.

His design could work if his colors matched better. Maybe remove the jacket. Idk.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on January 15, 2021, 11:19:30 PM
When it comes down to shun'ei design I wish his dlc costume was the default, especially taking into consideration what the rest of his team in 14 looked like.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 16, 2021, 12:17:40 AM

As a South Korean who has lived/visited both Korea, China and Japan I know that is not how Chinese high school students wear.

If you told me that Shun's design was based off of a Chinese high school student, I'd assume you've never even been near a Chinese high school or matter of fact any East Asian high school or you are in fact delusional.

Maybe is just his outfit and not something school related. But if that's the HARD part for you, then I remind I'm from Spain and we're not stuck in the XVIII(18) Century as Resident Evil 4 seems to state(even earth based streets, maaaan), nor we all are toreros like Lawrence Blood, Miguel Caballero or Vega. Also, another character who's indeed Spanish and seems no one to notice is Earthquake, from SamSho. During the year when the action takes place, that of America was part of Spain.

I mean, don't get offended by ONE character. We here in Spain have plenty of characters to get offended of and no one is crying :/.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 16, 2021, 12:40:11 AM

As a South Korean who has lived/visited both Korea, China and Japan I know that is not how Chinese high school students wear.

If you told me that Shun's design was based off of a Chinese high school student, I'd assume you've never even been near a Chinese high school or matter of fact any East Asian high school or you are in fact delusional.

Maybe is just his outfit and not something school related. But if that's the HARD part for you, then I remind I'm from Spain and we're not stuck in the XVIII(18) Century as Resident Evil 4 seems to state(even earth based streets, maaaan), nor we all are toreros like Lawrence Blood, Miguel Caballero or Vega. Also, another character who's indeed Spanish and seems no one to notice is Earthquake, from SamSho. During the year when the action takes place, that of America was part of Spain.

I mean, don't get offended by ONE character. We here in Spain have plenty of characters to get offended of and no one is crying :/.

I don’t think he’s offended. I think he’s just pointing out that Shun’s outfit doesn’t really make sense or reflect him and his background whereas other characters appear to have outfits that fit them better.

Shun’ei doesn’t look like a traditional Chinese student or acolyte so it’s just odd why he’s dressed that way.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 16, 2021, 01:06:07 AM
its not so much traditional student as it is "student if they were part of a persona-like anime game." it looks stupid. kollossonis argument that its "out of place" is dumb, but he does look stupid
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on January 16, 2021, 02:36:31 AM
i probably wouldn't say a persona like game, since they usually look like actual students in those kinds of games. if anything shun'ei is dressed more like the usual japanese chuni students who so desperately want to stand out that they have convinced themselves they have hidden knowledge or secret powers.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 16, 2021, 03:29:48 AM

I mean, don't get offended by ONE character. We here in Spain have plenty of characters to get offended of and no one is crying :/.

Haha, no need to worry. I'm not offended by a mere character's design. It'd be a petty thing to be if I was.

I'm simply annoyed at how a character can look so ridiculously clueless from a design point of view.
Some people may like his design and aesthetics, but personally, I find it off putting and distracting to say the least.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on January 16, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
This video might bring up some solid points about the Shun'ei discussion:



(pretty good channel in general, btw)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 16, 2021, 07:35:19 AM
I must be immune to Shun'ei's bad design then. I don't think it's that bad. Not worse than say fucking Lin or Shion or something.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on January 16, 2021, 09:09:27 AM
shun'ei is as bad as lin, but shion is ok. it's just traditional chinese clothing
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: KarmaCharmeleon on January 16, 2021, 11:53:37 AM
I'm pretty sure many people likes Lin, it's a mix of sci-fi toxic with classic ninja. The gameplay on him its pretty damn good too. That's how different tastes work. What I don't get is why enumerating the amount of colors or details on a character is supposed to be an positive or negative "argument" :P especially when you have great character design from people like Hirohiko Araki.

Even tho I think Shun'ei design is a byproduct of crossing Persona with Blazblue aesthetics, according to one YouTube comment it is rooted on a real life chinese fashion trend.

Quote
As a Chinese student, allow me to introduce the culture of this outfit: IDIOCY.
The character's outfit completely showed a trend called FEI ZHU LIU (fay-ju-li-ou), which was a despised pop culture. Usually teenagers or some adults with little fashion sense or low self-esteem choose this kind of outfit to shout out how FASHIONABLE they are. The worse part is that they truly believe this kind out unsubtle outfits represent Punk+Rock & Roll+Gothic+Young+Futuristic+Japanese animated vibe.
In the early 2000s, FEI ZHU LIU becomes a popular trend among those with low education experience and people who want to look chic but don't want to spend corresponding time or money doing that.
This trend is cheap and messy, but has been adopted to groups of people who cannot understand fashion or themselves.
I really hope I can post pictures in the comment to show how cringy it is.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 16, 2021, 10:04:33 PM
various colors and details have a way of clashing. they can be artfully incorporated by people like araki, or they can lean full into the absurdity like sylvie for their own unique feel. but in the case of shun ei, it just looks dumb when its meant to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on January 18, 2021, 12:53:54 AM
for what its worth, shun ei is snks interpretation of modern chinese youth aesthetics. its clear that its popular with the market is designed for considering all the art, and the cosplay and that a random chinese user quite literally made an ENTIRE KOF XIII shaded spriteset in mugen. thats, alot, of time dedicated to a brand new character. you can see his type of clothing styles reflected in a ton of other chinese media like other games, shows, clothing lines, etc.

he is the main character of a part-chinese franchise now after all, so atleast he has that going for him

also lol karma, that user sounds unreasonably angry at a fashion choice, its hilarious. but yes, that person is right, its based on the specific fashion choices i talked about above.



i personally think his design is dumb as heck but thats just me. atleast his moveset is fun!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 01:08:04 AM
a random chinese user quite literally made an ENTIRE KOF XIII shaded spriteset in mugen.

Hot damn I literally just found/saw that Shun'ei like a minute ago and was blown away lol

Also admittedly that's a very good take and I'm surprised by that. I didn't realize that Shun'ei was popular in that crowd actually. If his design was that well received by the audience that was best supposed to relate to him... well, I'll give credit where credit is due. I still personally find the design fairly awkward but I can respect it more now if that's the case.

Pretty cool honestly.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 18, 2021, 01:20:05 AM
Well, Shun'ei is a cute anime boy, so he is bound to be loved by a specific crowd.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 01:22:36 AM
Well, Shun'ei is a cute anime boy, so he is bound to be loved by a specific crowd.

I think Lui was trying to say that the Chinese market liked the Chinese representation leading the partly-Chinese banded franchise now.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on January 18, 2021, 01:24:23 AM
eyup.


now if only they didnt make his goddamn hair green and not give him a purple tie.


if they made his color palette a little more uniform id like it alot more.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 01:25:45 AM
eyup.


now if only they didnt make his goddamn hair green and not give him a purple tie.


if they made his color palette a little more uniform id like it alot more.

I think if his hair was a darker green and if his gloves/arm bands/whatever were gone from his hands he'd look a bit better.

And if his pants were rolled down all the way.

The tie I think can stay with the right modifications.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 18, 2021, 01:43:18 AM
Well, Shun'ei is a cute anime boy, so he is bound to be loved by a specific crowd.

I think Lui was trying to say that the Chinese market liked the Chinese representation leading the partly-Chinese banded franchise now.
This whole "appeal to China" argument doesn't really work if people in the west also like it, and cute anime characters appeal to weebs all over the world. If KoF XIV had been nothing but anime boys as new characters, I could see the argument about being generic mobile design, but one character? Nah.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 01:50:59 AM
This whole "appeal to China" argument doesn't really work if people in the west also like it, and cute anime characters appeal to weebs all over the world. If KoF XIV had been nothing but anime boys as new characters, I could see the argument about being generic mobile design, but one character? Nah.

The appeal to China argument works for China. Cause it's China. Lol.

As for the West... I mean, people like and hate Shun'ei for a variety of reasons.

I think it's kiiiinda dumb just to generalize it as "cute anime boy for weebs" lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Croix12 on January 18, 2021, 02:35:41 AM
Game looks good, hopefully they add Chizuru and B. Jenet.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 02:36:41 AM
Game looks good, hopefully they add Chizuru and B. Jenet.

Seeing Chizuru come back would be hype, and B. Jenet would also be great.

But like, Shingo gotta come back too. :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 18, 2021, 03:32:16 AM
Shingo is like, the single most requested character to return. But realistically speaking he has low chances of returning, if only because there isn't a team he could fit in, and I highly doubt they'd remove Daimon for what is basically a moveset clone of Kyo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 03:33:17 AM
Shingo is like, the single most requested character to return. But realistically speaking he has low chances of returning, if only because there isn't a team he could fit in, and I highly doubt they'd remove Daimon for what is basically a moveset clone of Kyo.

So just do what they did in KOF 97 and make him single entry.

Problem solved.

Or put Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru on a team and then have Shingo team up with Benimaru and Goro.

Easier solution.

As for Mature and Vice, stick them with Rugal assuming he actually comes back. Not that they'd like that but idk.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Seadragon77 on January 18, 2021, 03:34:15 AM
You know, he doesn't have to be on Team Japan... Shingo could be on a team of SNK fans like himself, Alice and a female Iori.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 18, 2021, 03:41:54 AM
Well, Shingo hasn't been around since XI? Why not give him a whole new moveset with a nod to the stuff he copied/learned from Kyo?  I mean, they differentiated Ryo/Robert, Kyo/Iori, why not turn Shingo into the powerhouse he should be. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 18, 2021, 04:44:35 AM
Or put Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru on a team
What makes people think this will ever happen?

Besides, Kyo and Benimaru are shown together in a cutscene on the first trailer, which more or less spells they're on the same team.

Shingo could be on a team of SNK fans like himself, Alice and a female Iori.

Replace the "female Iori" thing with Jhun and there you have a nice Fanboy Team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 04:49:40 AM
Or put Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru on a team
What makes people think this will ever happen?

Idk man, I know they only ever team up in canon to fight Orochi/evil people and don't really do it for the tourney stuff otherwise, but eh.

Besides, Kyo and Benimaru are shown together in a cutscene on the first trailer, which more or less spells they're on the same team.

Fair enough.

Make Shingo single entry then I guess!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 18, 2021, 04:56:32 AM
You know, I think this is the single major issue of KoF. Basically the chances of a character appearing are dependant mostly on whether the character can be fit on a team (and sometimes whether the character has something to do plot-wise). This is the main problem with most characters introduced on the NESTS arc onwards, since most of them were made to fill in the extra slot on the four men teams.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 04:59:08 AM
You know, I think this is the single major issue of KoF. Basically the chances of a character appearing are dependant mostly on whether the character can be fit on a team (and sometimes whether the character has something to do plot-wise). This is the main problem with most characters introduced on the NESTS arc onwards, since most of them were made to fill in the extra slot on the four men teams.

That is... fair.

It just sucks cause Shingo's been around forever. I really wanna see him come back. Somehow.

I hope they can find a way to fit him into the plot... assuming other past characters come back from the dead too, like Rugal and Krizalid.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 18, 2021, 05:26:38 AM
I can totally see them putting him as DLC.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 18, 2021, 05:34:20 AM
To solve the problem with the leftover NESTS characters, perhaps mix them with the EX/Neowave/Maximum Impact/XI secret boss cast who haven't been seen in ages, or even make some of the strikers from the NESTS era playable? Or even FF/AOF characters who haven't gotten the chance of appearing in the series?

SNK "fans":

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty


I will never, ever get why wanting to see the Maximum Impact (or EX for that matter) casts return is apparently a bad thing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 18, 2021, 06:09:53 AM
You know, I think this is the single major issue of KoF. Basically the chances of a character appearing are dependant mostly on whether the character can be fit on a team (and sometimes whether the character has something to do plot-wise). This is the main problem with most characters introduced on the NESTS arc onwards, since most of them were made to fill in the extra slot on the four men teams.
Is that even required in the story? Can't people just be groups of friends like all other fighting games, so they can drop this stupid team thing?

I will never, ever get why wanting to see the Maximum Impact (or EX for that matter) casts return is apparently a bad thing.
People like to whine, its just that simple.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
It's fine to not like Maximum Impact, more power to you. And it's fine to prefer other characters returning. I mean I personally would prefer other characters to appear over the Maximum Impact roster. I wouldn't MIND if they came back, I just... would prefer other characters.

Some people really don't like those characters and just really don't want to see them come back.

At the end of the day it's fine if it's your personal opinion/preference. I haven't actually seen anyone being like "Maximum Impact is a STAIN and any characters from that game coming back will RUIN THE FRANCHISE", though. That's what I'd call whining, and I haven't seen any of that (here anyways, but I usually miss a lot of obvious shit anyhow).

Anyhoo can we get #ShingoXV trending.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 18, 2021, 06:24:35 AM
I haven't actually seen anyone being like "Maximum Impact is a STAIN and any characters from that game coming back will RUIN THE FRANCHISE", though. That's what I'd call whining, and I haven't seen any of that (here anyways, but I usually miss a lot of obvious shit anyhow).
Oh, darling, but there has been. You won't believe the whining that happened on this thread over the mere suggestion that Maximum Impact characters could return. I'll maintain what I said before about it, though: if SNK brought forgotten characters such as Mui Mui and Love Heart in KoF XIV, if they brought forgotten characters such as Miss X and Jeanne D'Arc in SNK Heroines Tag Team Frenzy and if they revived Samurai Shodown while also bringing attention to the also forgotten Last Blade with Hibiki as an upcoming DLC, it is far from unreasonable to expect them to bring at least one character from a forgotten side story such as Maximum Impact.

On a side note, I love how Miss X's ending in SNK Heroines implies that Iori is a tsundere, its my head canon that he is gay for Kyo now, even though that is not an original head canon to have.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 18, 2021, 06:35:50 AM
Oh, darling, but there has been. You won't believe the whining that happened on this thread over the mere suggestion that Maximum Impact characters could return.

Can you not "Oh darling" me it comes off as super condescending and it makes you look like an asshole lol and I'm not gonna put up with that.

Additionally, I'm not saying there hasn't been any. I'm saying I haven't seen it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or I'm denying it's existence. I just tend to miss shit like that cause I'm an airhead lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 18, 2021, 03:01:46 PM
Is that even required in the story? Can't people just be groups of friends like all other fighting games, so they can drop this stupid team thing?
That's the thing, teams should at the very least make a minimum of sense, otherwise you end with stuff like Iori with the agents in 2001 or some of those random formations from XI. If you're gonna team up characters who aren't know to have any kind of mutual friendship at least they'd need to have something in common or a shared objective (like they did with the Mexico Team in XIV).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 18, 2021, 04:34:38 PM
(B) Your description of Kyo is misplaced from the very beginning.
He was 19 in KOF'94, therefore was NOT a teenager indeed.
(https://i.imgur.com/GQOayfc.png)
Even your generalized perception of TEENAGER was wrong 3 words in from the start of the sentence.


Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 18, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
To be faiiiiiiir, there's a cultural thing there because over here you're an adult at 18, so no, 19 isn't a teenager (especially since our word for teenager isn't based on the word "ten"). It's hard to attribute the word in English to someone who's legally an adult. Depends on your language and your law.

That being said, Kyo was absolutely designed as a stereotypical hotheaded cocky teenager in the early years, regardless of your legal word for his age. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise.

Also, last time that discussion came up and I looked that up, I could swear Kyo was like 15 or 16 in the first games, got wrecked by Goenitz before 96 and then held back only one year, then disappeared in 97 and never finished school because of NESTS ? When did the info about him being 19 after 95 come from ??
edit - wikipedia says they just stopped aging at all after 95 so the year numbers are irrelevant.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 19, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
(B) Your description of Kyo is misplaced from the very beginning.
He was 19 in KOF'94, therefore was NOT a teenager indeed.
(https://i.imgur.com/GQOayfc.png)
Even your generalized perception of TEENAGER was wrong 3 words in from the start of the sentence.




My bad.

Where I'm from 19 is a tad too old to be considered a "teen".
You usually go off to college or find work at that age.

Maybe the countries I live in don't coddle up their kids as much.

But like Byakko said, it's a cultural thing I guess. Touché nonetheless.

That being said, Kyo was absolutely designed as a stereotypical hotheaded cocky teenager in the early years, regardless of your legal word for his age. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise.

But, I never said otherwise.

I concur that his design was indeed partly constructed on the basis of his profession.
He was a cool, hot-headed high school student who did nothing but fight.
That was evident in his design.

Unbuttoned jacket.
Rolled up sleeves.
Wears a headband.
Wears gloves.
etc.

I don't wanna bring up old discussions again, but Kyo's design is much more suitable for my own taste. Let's just put it at that ;)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 19, 2021, 11:33:58 PM
Where I'm from 19 is a tad too old to be considered a "teen".
You usually go off to college or find work at that age.

Maybe the countries I live in don't coddle up their kids as much.
Or maybe it's because neurologists agree that people's brains are still developing until their early 20s.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 20, 2021, 01:13:02 AM
No, that is 100% not how any country on the planet defines who's a teen and who's an adult. And it 100% shouldn't be how they define it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 20, 2021, 01:49:33 AM
Yeah, it's always good to follow stupid rules set up by people who have no idea what they're talking about, instead of, you know, actual scientists that study the human brain for years.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 20, 2021, 02:04:19 AM
I really hope you're not saying you don't want people to be considered adults until they're in their early twenties, with all the legal rights and responsibilities that come with being considered an adult. Being an adult and having a right to a place in society equal to everyone else should not have anything to do with your brain being fully formed.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 20, 2021, 05:11:13 AM
Being an adult [...] should not have anything to do with your brain being fully formed.
If you think there is a better time to be called adult than when your brain is fully developed, I honestly don't know what else to tell you.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 20, 2021, 05:21:51 AM
Hey how about we get back to talking about KOF.

Here I'll help. Ahem.

Shun'ei sucks.

Okay let's get back on track.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Yagoshi300 on January 20, 2021, 06:01:04 AM
Everyone: cHeWn Ay BaD !!!11

Me:

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 20, 2021, 06:25:14 AM
Lol

I mean

He does tho

And if I've learned anything from years on the internet, saying the same joke over and over and over and over and over will never get old ever

Ye





In all seriousness the wait for the next trailer feels like an eternity and I really hope it's either longer, or 45 seconds put to good use.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on January 20, 2021, 01:03:27 PM

In all seriousness the wait for the next trailer feels like an eternity and I really hope it's either longer, or 45 seconds put to good use.

maybe the producer of the game took note of the last trailer that was a trash and they are making a better new one. this time.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 21, 2021, 02:04:43 AM
I just realized that XIV Kyo had daddy's Tsumugari for his climax move and not the wall of flame or the nuke punch from the last few games. Considering they're reusing animations for XV, yet the trailer showed Kyo had the 00 punch (possibly the MAX move he had in XIV, the 99 double punch super into the 00 punch), maybe he doesn't have the Tsumugari again because... Saisyu's coming back and taking his super back ? Eh, it'll take a while before we know more about that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on January 21, 2021, 03:02:39 AM
New trailer
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 21, 2021, 03:09:33 AM
That trailer made the game look 10x better honestly
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 21, 2021, 03:26:14 AM
Holy shit that trailer was miles better.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on January 21, 2021, 03:35:08 AM
WAY better than Shun'ei's trailer. At least they show even Meiten's NeoMax.
And that stage looks cool. Looks like SNK at least still listening to feedbacks.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 21, 2021, 03:41:40 AM
A really good sign for sure.

And it seems they're gonna showcase each team in order, which means next week will be either Tung or whoever replaces him. And honestly I'm eager for it just so it can put to rest those absurd theories that they'll team up with Chonrei or Jeff Bogard.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 21, 2021, 04:01:42 AM
Looks like SNK at least still listening to feedbacks.
Indeed.  Like everyone said, that trailer is a lot better than Shun'ei's and got me intrigued at Mei's gameplay.  Hope they retain this template moving forward.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 21, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
New trailer
[youtube]https://youtu.be/L0vhm_jd804[/youtube]

OK! THIS IS a trailer.
We can actually see what happens, we can see combos, and the cuts are longer than 0.5 second.

I hope the next ones will be this way! So much better than the "please don't look at me" style of the previous one.
I have some big hopes for how will be this game in the release.

Meitenkun is definitely not my type of character, but I think he looks good.
His model is pretty OK, his style fits his "gimmick" etc.

OK, these 2 characters had their trailer, now we can start serious business (from my point of view)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 21, 2021, 01:48:24 PM
Judging by the first two trailers, I think it's going to be based on each team and their members.

I think Shun'ei + Meitenkun + ??? and that ??? will be the next one I think.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on January 23, 2021, 01:27:34 PM
The trailer was better indeed. Now that this sleepyhead is been confirmed, I think the third might be Tung Fu or a new member in the hero group.

I wonder if the women group will be mixed again. I enjoy that Mai was with King and Alice. What other group do we want in this game?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 23, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
I don't know about Tung. The last game's ending is hinting at that he might know that his death is near, and that one of his students has to join. So, maybe it's Jeff Bogard, a lot of people seem to speculate on this.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 23, 2021, 03:20:59 PM
Tung is old and knows he'll die soon, so he might leave his spot to another guy who is already dead ?
If Tung must be replaced by a student, the first I'd see is Chonrei. But I still expect Tung to stay.
edit - I'm an idiot and forgot XIV just resurrected a bunch of people, I see now why some people are starting to talk about Jeff. I still don't expect him.

Saisyu's 98 team was Masters team IINM.
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Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: QuickFist on January 23, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
I don't know about Tung. The last game's ending is hinting at that he might know that his death is near, and that one of his students has to join. So, maybe it's Jeff Bogard, a lot of people seem to speculate on this.

Isn't this first team Team China? Shun'Ei and Meiten are chinese, and going by what has been disscussed in this thread, SNK is catering a lot to the chinese market, so, first team shown is China. Tung Fu is chinese, yes, but Jeff Bogard, IF he is in the game, he wouldn't be on this team, rather a Saisyu kinda team from the older games, can't remember what the team was called
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 23, 2021, 04:11:10 PM
I don't know about Tung. The last game's ending is hinting at that he might know that his death is near, and that one of his students has to join. So, maybe it's Jeff Bogard, a lot of people seem to speculate on this.

it's probably one of the twins.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 23, 2021, 04:57:09 PM
If, HUGE IF, Jeff Bogard is in the game in any manner, would be just on a cutscene. If SNK would want him to return they'd first need to set up his return, much like they did with Ash, something that hasn't happened.

I could see Mian taking Tung's spot on the team, should be easy to set this up and its likely that the Official Invitation team from XIV will disband anyway.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on January 23, 2021, 06:14:07 PM
I see more possibility for Tung. But Jeff Bogard... He's been a NPC for a long time. Sure, I would like to see Chun Li's father at some point, but it's just you can't bring dead characters alive unless they are good explained why they are.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 23, 2021, 06:29:37 PM
Jeff is dead, his soul did not seem to be inside Verse, and his return would have no build up if suddenly next week they were just like “Jeff is in the game”.

I hope he’s not in the game lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 23, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsPzn4VVcAA1gFh?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 23, 2021, 07:29:44 PM
Another new character would be a disaster for the story.

We still have Shun'ei's potential to be seen.
&
Kensou's dragon power(?) thingy still in mystery.
&
Ron, Duo Lon, Rin's Hizoku storyline still paused.

Either one of them needs to be finished first before any other new face comes into play especially if he/she is going to be added into Shun's team (AKA the new Chinese Hero team).

I remember when KOF sagas used to be simple and linear.
Not this messy...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 23, 2021, 08:12:07 PM
Jeff is dead, his soul did not seem to be inside Verse, and his return would have no build up if suddenly next week they were just like “Jeff is in the game”.

I hope he’s not in the game lol

Exactly.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 23, 2021, 08:21:06 PM
at this point im convinced theyre never going to give kensou/bao's storyline the time of day
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 23, 2021, 09:31:12 PM
Is there actually anyone who genuinely wish for Bao to return? I thought those were a myth lol.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 23, 2021, 10:03:38 PM
I mean

I would like that lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on January 24, 2021, 01:56:50 AM
What other group do we want in this game?

I want Team World Heroes, Team Kizuna Encounter and Team Fighter's History. 

But that's never gonna happen. &gt;_&gt;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 24, 2021, 01:59:41 AM
I mean, they keep saying "Shatter All Expectations", so they could do something surprising.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 24, 2021, 02:01:47 AM
Where the fuck is the American Spots Team at lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on January 24, 2021, 02:14:27 AM
I mean, they keep saying "Shatter All Expectations", so they could do something surprising.

Then they better include Team Twinkle Star Sprites.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on January 24, 2021, 03:23:36 AM
Team "Maximum Impact":
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 24, 2021, 05:04:58 AM
I wonder who else will be joining or returning... I'm curious if the King of the Dinosaurs will make a return.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 24, 2021, 05:29:44 AM
What other group do we want in this game?

I want Team World Heroes, Team Kizuna Encounter and Team Fighter's History. 

But that's never gonna happen. &gt;_&gt;


Fighter's History is owned by a company called G-Mode, so SNK would have to negotiate with them. Same for a Team Waku Waku 7 + Galaxy Fight (Sunsoft), Team Rage of the Dragons (Piko Interactive),  Team Breakers (QByte Interactive), or Team Fight Fever/Eye of Typhoon (Viccom). Not to mention Gowcaiser being owned by ArcSys (seriously, why haven't ArcSys touched VFG at all?) of all companies. This would actually be a good idea for SNK to track down their old third party devs and allow their kind to enter KOF 15.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 24, 2021, 05:31:32 AM
Fighter's History is owned by a company called G-Mode, so SNK would have to negotiate with them. Same for a Team Waku Waku 7 + Galaxy Fight (Sunsoft), Team Rage of the Dragons (Piko Interactive),  Team Breakers (QByte Interactive), or Team Fight Fever/Eye of Typhoon (Viccom). Not to mention Gowcaiser being owned by ArcSys (seriously, why haven't ArcSys touched VFG at all?) of all companies. This would actually be a good idea for SNK to track down their old third party devs and allow their kind to enter KOF 15.

Calm down dude we aren't even at the dream match yet lmao

That stuff would be better suited for KOF XVII (assuming 16 ends this story arc and 17 is the dream match).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 24, 2021, 05:41:37 AM
Dream Match titles aren't necessary anymore. The only reason they did these before was to fill in the void between each story arc caused by the yearly release schedule the series went by.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 24, 2021, 05:43:29 AM
Dream Match titles aren't necessary anymore. The only reason they did these before was to fill in the void between each story arc caused by the yearly release schedule the series went by.

Fair.

But just cause they aren't necessary doesn't mean they don't need to happen. A 3D dream match would sell.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 24, 2021, 05:47:48 AM
Dream Match titles aren't necessary anymore. The only reason they did these before was to fill in the void between each story arc caused by the yearly release schedule the series went by.

Fair.

But just cause they aren't necessary doesn't mean they don't need to happen. A 3D dream match would sell.

Or a game with EVERY 2D era character (including stuff like NGBC) coming back for one more bout. But since the end of the Dream Matches, SNK seem more keen on having one-shot characters like Hwa Jai and the like.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 24, 2021, 09:06:37 AM
the chon rei twins are more plausible to return than jeff.

all i want is the flying brigands make a comeback , especially now that they are catering to the chinese audience it's the right time to reintroduce them as the main villain for this arc. and doesn't the flying brigands have a beef with the kyokogen and psycho team?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 24, 2021, 09:15:05 AM
There are no "Chon Rei twins", there are two Jin brothers and one of them is Chonrei.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on January 26, 2021, 02:23:13 AM
There are no "Chon Rei twins", there are two Jin brothers and one of them is Chonrei.

and the other is chonshu
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 28, 2021, 02:09:08 AM
I want to see a remaster of the Maximum Impact series it may have its flaws but it is fun to play. Remember unlike Capcom SNK owns 99% of its characters even if it is made by a different artist. So those characters may come back in some shape or form if there is a demand for them. It may be possible there may be a new team representing the Middle East for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on January 28, 2021, 03:00:09 AM
Someone on 4chan said before that Benimaru always has to be in the Hero Team. Damn, that prognostication.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 28, 2021, 03:14:25 AM


Indeed he is, that cheeky little rascal jumping from team to team as always.

Guess this means Daimon might not show up again.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 28, 2021, 04:47:29 AM
My theory of Team Sacred Treasures now has a tiny bit more support due to Benimaru team swapping once again lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 28, 2021, 04:54:11 AM
I really wanna see Kensou leave Athena behind and team up with Angel, after they just randomly gave them pre-match dialogue vs each other in XIV.

Also yeah, I really want the dragon spirit plot to become relevant again, I don't care if they don't bring Ron back for it or not.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 28, 2021, 09:22:58 AM
I don't mind Daimon head's his own team for once. It's due time lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 28, 2021, 09:43:02 AM
Ok, one team done !
I can't wait to see the second team...

BTW, To me, things are getting better, we can actually see some phases of combo/gameplay.
They actually HAVE something to show this time, just like for Meitenkun.

Also, the trailer gives us a clue why Benimaru is "so Chinese" this time.

I wonder what will be the next after the beauty boys.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 28, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Come to think of it, Beni has actually won the most KoF tournaments canonically.

(I don't give an f about politics, but could not resist)
(https://i.imgur.com/qAz9JwC.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 28, 2021, 11:50:51 AM
My theory of Team Sacred Treasures now has a tiny bit more support due to Benimaru team swapping once again lol

a redesign for chizuru would  be great but i don't think iori would team up with kyo since there's nothing much going on for them to do it. so probably moe habana or reiji will be having their debut.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on January 28, 2021, 12:21:41 PM
I seriously doubt they will add KOF EX characters given that they had zero acknowledgement of their existence.

Unlike the MI crew.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 28, 2021, 01:22:11 PM
I seriously doubt they will add KOF EX characters given that they had zero acknowledgement of their existence.

Unlike the MI crew.

Me neither.
I think they will keep the same recipe from the previous KOF.
With perhaps a bit of variation.

I sincerely hope for some good surprises and interesting new comers.
In the spirit of SNK.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on January 28, 2021, 02:16:54 PM
I can see Daimon in a team with Shingo and another character this time. The Three Sacred Treasures team will come back no doubt.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 28, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
I seriously doubt they will add KOF EX characters given that they had zero acknowledgement of their existence.

Unlike the MI crew.
Portable console spinoffs tend to just be forgotten, except by MUGEN creators. Maximum Impact wasn't a huge success, but at least it's more acknowledged.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 28, 2021, 05:09:04 PM
a redesign for chizuru would  be great but i don't think iori would team up with kyo since there's nothing much going on for them to do it. so probably moe habana or reiji will be having their debut.

I mean the last time they ignored Chizuru and didn’t team up she lost her powers. Now that she had them back, now that Orochi was reawakened and Ash has returned and Verse may come back and tons of other strange occurrences have been reported to be happening (aka souls of the past) I feel it’s enough lasting concern that the three may team up in the next KOF just to tackle shit head on and not repeat the mistake of taking things lightly before.

After all — they all clearly have the maturity of setting aside differences to team up anyways. So it’s not improbable!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 28, 2021, 08:20:49 PM
I dunno, they came together to eliminate Orochi before his soul was reborn at the end of XIV, but everything else is unrelated to them, it's not their job to handle other revived people. I don't see a reason for them to team up until after Ash or the Orochi gang actually do shit, which they might do in XV, meaning they'll team up in XVI.
The only problem with that is I don't know who Kyo will team up with if not Benimaru. Iori and Chizuru have options, Kyo is the only one who doesn't have any friends other than Beni, Goro, and Shingo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on January 28, 2021, 08:37:56 PM
Well, when you put it that way.

If it's not 3 sacred treasures team, I can see a Team Kusanagi with Kyo, Saisyu and Shingo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 28, 2021, 09:04:46 PM
... yeah ngl I can see that too -- especially relevant considering Rugal's nearly definite return, giving Saisyu a reason to return to the fight (outside of dealing with the possible return of Verse). Plus it gives Shingo a reason to return too -- to resume battling with his mentors.

It just makes me wonder who Daimon would team with, if he does return. I also wonder where Chizuru would go.

Assuming Rugal returns with a team and not single entry, Mature and Vice... could maybe team with him? If not, then they'd go with Iori ofc.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 28, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
I could see Chizuru going as a single entry if not reclaiming boss status. I could indeed see Shingo coming alongside Kyo. As for the plot with Kensou and Bao, I could see them join with Mian or a newcomer to form a "Rival Dragon Team" to resolve that plot. Not sure if Daimon is coming back, though. Even Mai of all people skipped a game once.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: CozySquirtle on January 28, 2021, 10:11:50 PM
Let's not forget about Kusanagi-Yagami Team (Kyo, Iori and Shingo) from 'The King Of Fighters XI'. I believe this could make a return.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 28, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Let's not forget about Kusanagi-Yagami Team (Kyo, Iori and Shingo) from 'The King Of Fighters XI'. I believe this could make a return.

But wasn't that only a team because Chizuru asked Shingo to join the two after she lost her powers, so they could stop Ash and get the Yata Mirror back?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: CozySquirtle on January 28, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
Let's not forget about Kusanagi-Yagami Team (Kyo, Iori and Shingo) from 'The King Of Fighters XI'. I believe this could make a return.

But wasn't that only a team because Chizuru asked Shingo to join the two after she lost her powers, so they could stop Ash and get the Yata Mirror back?

This is correct, but one could only hope that said team makes a comeback. It could only be me, but I thought the team was unique, imo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 29, 2021, 01:33:19 AM
I hope this never happens again.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 29, 2021, 01:40:34 AM
I hope this never happens again.

You hope what never happens again. :0
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 29, 2021, 02:01:51 AM
I hope this never happens again.

You hope what never happens again. :0

Kyo and Iori on the same team. It was stupid in XI and it would be stupid if it happened again.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 29, 2021, 02:50:48 AM
I mean I wouldn't call it stupid if it's got plot relevance. They had reason to be on the same team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2021, 03:34:58 AM
Yeah, with Ash specifically targeting the 3 sacred treasures and Iori being the next target, the team was relevant. When else is this team-up going to happen.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 29, 2021, 03:42:50 AM
I mean, you never know.

Look I'm just trying to find excuses for Shingo and Chizuru to come back even though their plot relevance is so miniscule that there's really no way of them returning effectively as of now. ;-;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on January 29, 2021, 04:26:10 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es3ePBIVgAAQQAG?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 29, 2021, 04:33:11 AM
So basically...

Edgy protagonist, tired best friend, and flamboyant dad figure.

... ya know all three of these character blurbs have talked about character relationships. Connections, bonds, and growth and development. I like it, and I hope that the story lives up to this. I do like seeing characters interact, develop, and grow off each other.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 29, 2021, 04:56:32 AM
For a moment I thought that image was Jhun Hoon and we would be getting a Team Fans with him, Shingo, and Alice in the mix.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 29, 2021, 04:59:21 AM
For a moment I thought that image was Jhun Hoon and we would be getting a Team Fans with him, Shingo, and Alice in the mix.

That would still be an acceptably dorky and likable team... fingers cross it exists. Someday.



(My brain, for a long time, always continues to read that as "Jay-Hoon Hoon" lol
I know it's not, but for some reason my brain just wants to read it like that.)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on January 29, 2021, 04:33:01 PM
I hope this never happens again.

You hope what never happens again. :0

Kyo and Iori on the same team. It was stupid in XI and it would be stupid if it happened again.

You're under the assumption that Iori has ever been cooperative with any team he is on. He has only barely if ever tolerated his teammates. He started out his first appearance in 95 teamed up with Eiji and Billy who outright loathe him. The only reason Vice and Mature keep forcing themselves on him is because they want him to fully give in to his Orochi powers. He outright murdered them back in 97.

Him teaming up with Kyo and Chizuru makes the most sense story-wise than him being tied to anyone else in the series roster.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 29, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
Wow, SNK really makes an effort to make Iori a total bitch, don't they?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on January 29, 2021, 05:04:36 PM
iori belongs with vice and mature more than chizuru and kyo
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 29, 2021, 05:57:06 PM
Iori really doesn’t belong with ANYONE... but at the end of the day the two people he’s surprisingly the most mature with are Kyo and Chizuru, due to dealing with Orochi and the Hakkesshu. And with Benimaru’s unexpected team swap I can’t see Iori sticking with his usual team this time.

Perhaps the reason Benimaru joined Shun’s team is cause Chizuru already arranged the sacred treasures team after Orochi’s sudden attempted revival following the defeat of Verse. Again, sure they’re really only supposed to be bothered with Orochi... but by this point anything can happen and ANYTHING can cause him to reawaken at this point so it would be likely that all three would be on guard. Especially considering by this point when is a KOF tournament not shrouded in some evil bullshit that happens by the tourney’s end?

It would be dumb of them to start slacking now that a bunch of long dead people have returned to life — among them Orochi and Rugal.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on January 29, 2021, 06:18:01 PM
KOF Fan speculation is always wild

(https://i.imgur.com/VbRORG0.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on January 29, 2021, 06:29:11 PM
I hope this never happens again.

You hope what never happens again. :0

Kyo and Iori on the same team. It was stupid in XI and it would be stupid if it happened again.

You're under the assumption that Iori has ever been cooperative with any team he is on. He has only barely if ever tolerated his teammates. He started out his first appearance in 95 teamed up with Eiji and Billy who outright loathe him. The only reason Vice and Mature keep forcing themselves on him is because they want him to fully give in to his Orochi powers. He outright murdered them back in 97.

Him teaming up with Kyo and Chizuru makes the most sense story-wise than him being tied to anyone else in the series roster.

What If Shingo legit pops up outta nowhere and is a part of Kusanagi Team. I mean I would not be surprised to see him back but I will be happy.

Also I guess the Rival Teams might have Kukri a the captain since there is some animosity between Shunei and him.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2021, 06:56:42 PM
KOF Fan speculation is always wild

https://i.imgur.com/VbRORG0.png
Nah, Rugal was assumed to come back since XIV revived everyone, there's no way SNK made a show of reviving every dead character (except fuck Orochi apparently) but skip one of the most iconic boss of the series. I'm not hoping he's the single boss though, just have him running around being an angry boy, they shouldn't waste a game focused on Rugal again when they have a story to move forward. They had to remove Orochi because they couldn't have him and not be the big threat, meaning they wanted to move on with the new story (I still hope he'll return in a new form someday) but Rugal can still be around and not be the boss. I'd also like to see some rivalry between Rugal and Geese, the early games were hinting that Geese knew Rugal from business stuff.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 29, 2021, 07:58:25 PM
For a moment I thought that image was Jhun Hoon and we would be getting a Team Fans with him, Shingo, and Alice in the mix.

WTF ! Exact same reation I had.

I was about to post the exact same message :D


Actually, It would look a nice J Hoon redesign
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 30, 2021, 01:03:09 PM
I doubt Iori will be in Kyo's team, especially since I'm like 99% sure that Mature & Vice are returning (since they're like SUPER POPULAR).

If not, it'll probably be Kyo + Iori + ??? and Mature + Vice + ???
Fingers crossed it's Rugal.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 30, 2021, 01:46:45 PM
I doubt Iori will be in Kyo's team, especially since I'm like 99% sure that Mature & Vice are returning (since they're like SUPER POPULAR).

If not, it'll probably be Kyo + Iori + ??? and Mature + Vice + ???
Fingers crossed it's Rugal.

Would be incredibly awesome !
Rugal + Mature + Vice... Hopefull the last 2 redesigned a bit...

I just cannot wait for the next trailer, even if I don't know why, but I feel like it will be one the characters we already saw in 1st teaser.
But certainly upgraded, since, in newer trailers, you can clearly see some graphics upgrade, even in the background elements.

I just want to be surprised, now. With good surprises...
Let's see if they shatter all exceptations... ;)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 30, 2021, 01:59:48 PM
I believe it's in due time, but help me out here, what team would the return of Wolfgang Krauser potentially bring?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 30, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
I believe it's in due time, but help me out here, what team would the return of Wolfgang Krauser potentially bring?

I have NO idea, beside of the classic boss team... ^^;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 30, 2021, 06:16:09 PM
I believe it's in due time, but help me out here, what team would the return of Wolfgang Krauser potentially bring?

It would be Krauser and two Krauser palette swaps -- Bauser and Wauser.

I'll leave now.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on January 30, 2021, 06:23:06 PM
I believe it's in due time, but help me out here, what team would the return of Wolfgang Krauser potentially bring?

Utter pipe dream here I think... but a team of Krauser, Laurence Blood and Axel Hawk would be kinda awesome. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 30, 2021, 07:07:49 PM
krauser would be dope if he returns , he's the only snk boss who didn't had a master plan he just wanted to fight.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Seadragon77 on January 30, 2021, 07:19:51 PM
krauser would be dope if he returns , he's the only snk boss who didn't had a master plan he just wanted to fight.

Another bonus of his potential return - classical music for him (or the team he's on)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 30, 2021, 08:01:37 PM
Geese Rugal Krauser, easy. Each with their own boss music.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on January 30, 2021, 08:50:03 PM
Hey, this guys brain is actually working, look at that!
Hey, this can be KOFs time to  introduce guests, Ryu/Chun,  DictatorBison, or the other guys. From Fighting Layer. I dont care for Fighting Layer but you know its good to give em a leg up, i also want to see that guy Goku from DBZ, now that would turn heads
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 30, 2021, 09:03:05 PM
Hey, this guys brain is actually working, look at that!
Hey, this can be KOFs time to  introduce guests, Ryu/Chun,  DictatorBison, or the other guys. From Fighting Layer. I dont care for Fighting Layer but you know its good to give em a leg up, i also want to see that guy Goku from DBZ, now that would turn heads

This entire sarcastic post is so unnecessarily douchey jfc lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NoilKaizen on January 30, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
Momoko coming back would be neat for *me*, but it's very unlikely, given the fact that we're doing teams of three and she's a fourth wheel.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on January 30, 2021, 09:57:38 PM
Main non-antagonist character I wanna see return is Shen, full stop. Give us back the concept of characters who join a fighting tournament for the sole purpose of fighting: No deep inner plot, no trying to conquer their inner demons, no journey to quell a sleeping evil, just someone who hears about a tournament and just goes "Imma do that." lol

As far as completely new characters/characters that haven't made a playable appearance in a KOF game just yet, Laurence Blood is definitely up there for me. Also wanna see them do something with Syo Kirishima, honestly.. I also kinda wanna know more about Gustav Munchausen and just how he managed to find out about Goenitz and Orochi in general, but I severely doubt they'd do anything with him after his initial appearance, he just seemed to lose and just bounce lol. I know those last two are more MUGEN characters at this point more than anything lol but still.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 30, 2021, 10:07:13 PM
Hope for non-mainline kof games references is still a thing ?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 30, 2021, 10:27:43 PM
Give us back the concept of characters who join a fighting tournament for the sole purpose of fighting: No deep inner plot, no trying to conquer their inner demons, no journey to quell a sleeping evil...
Only thing comes to mind is "Devour-our-our"
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 30, 2021, 10:50:28 PM
Those are some great ideas for Krauser, I'd just love to see him back. He got a great moveset.


Momoko? I would love an aged Momoko to return. She'd be the Christie Monteiro, and I'd love that, since Richard and Bob are too busy running the bar.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on January 30, 2021, 11:29:47 PM
Hey, this guys brain is actually working, look at that!
Hey, this can be KOFs time to  introduce guests, Ryu/Chun,  DictatorBison, or the other guys. From Fighting Layer. I dont care for Fighting Layer but you know its good to give em a leg up, i also want to see that guy Goku from DBZ, now that would turn heads

Why do I want Shantae in KOF now? Other company characters in SNK games have never been on the base roster; they've been either DLCs or merely hidden if we count MI.


Momoko? I would love an aged Momoko to return. She'd be the Christie Monteiro, and I'd love that, since Richard and Bob are too busy running the bar.

Her, Hinako, May, and Malin all coming back would be cool. Aging optional, but would be nice. At least to around Athena/Yuri's age.

Main non-antagonist character I wanna see return is Shen, full stop. Give us back the concept of characters who join a fighting tournament for the sole purpose of fighting: No deep inner plot, no trying to conquer their inner demons, no journey to quell a sleeping evil, just someone who hears about a tournament and just goes "Imma do that." lol

As far as completely new characters/characters that haven't made a playable appearance in a KOF game just yet, Laurence Blood is definitely up there for me. Also wanna see them do something with Syo Kirishima, honestly.. I also kinda wanna know more about Gustav Munchausen and just how he managed to find out about Goenitz and Orochi in general, but I severely doubt they'd do anything with him after his initial appearance, he just seemed to lose and just bounce lol. I know those last two are more MUGEN characters at this point more than anything lol but still.

The franchise does need more "E. Honda" type characters who fight for the sake of battle. Like the American Sports Team. Getting Syo as a proper fighter would be cool.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 31, 2021, 12:37:35 AM
Shen's cool tho.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 31, 2021, 12:51:45 AM
Shen is one of my fave KOF characters cause he was the first KOF character I ever saw. I can’t believe I didn’t think of wanting him until now. He would be amazing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on January 31, 2021, 01:02:50 AM
Not gonna lie.  I just want Shen back so when Hellpockets commentates again just for him to shout "BURN YOUR FIST IN THE SKY" once more just like in the '12 EVO finals.

Quote
The franchise does need more "E. Honda" type characters who fight for the sake of battle
Honda's whole motive in the tournament was to promote sumo worldwide tho.

There's Luong who fights for thrills just because and she's a recent entry to the cast.  Hoping XV expands on her backstory.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 01:36:07 AM
Is it just me or is Shen and Miguel (from Tekken) quite similar in fighting style?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on January 31, 2021, 01:39:09 AM
I don't really see how you can compare Shen's 3 and a half moves (punch ! punch, but up ! headbutt ! backfist swing ! And for his supers... punch, but big ! and uh get stronger) to anything beyond "have no martial finesse and throw a bigass punch". His ultimate is fire though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 31, 2021, 01:41:41 AM
Is it just me or is Shen and Miguel (from Tekken) quite similar in fighting style?



Open shirt gangster is a trope, friend

I first encountered it with Sagara Sanosuke
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 01:43:08 AM
Idk. Just seem similar.

Found this;

(https://i.imgur.com/YsjwCTl.jpg)


Is it just me or is Shen and Miguel (from Tekken) quite similar in fighting style?



Open shirt gangster is a trope, friend

I first encountered it with Sagara Sanosuke


Kenshin! Awesome anime/manga!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 31, 2021, 03:58:29 AM
I'd be fine with any OG's coming back for XV.

As long as no dumb guest characters show their ugly faces into the roster.

I don't wanna see Tekken 7 happening to KOF XV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 04:24:19 AM
Tekken 7, the perfect 3D fighting game. Akuma and Geese, best bloody guests ever. Noctis (arguably) and Negan (especially), WHAT THE HECK.


I agree with you, but I think by SNK's willingness to contribute something is possible. I'd say a Tekken guest or a FULL (being bold) TEAM from Tekken is a possibility, most likely? No. A guest? Yes.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 31, 2021, 05:03:42 AM
Guys they already have a guest character in here -- Mai from Dead or Alive.

In all seriousness, I like guest characters. I wouldn't be against them in KOF. I'm not asking for them, but hey... it'd be pretty crazy. I wouldn't mind, though I'd prefer other characters over any guest 3rd party reps.

I think, if they ever do a guest character... and only one, like a single entry DLC, I think it'd... HAVE to be Ryu.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 06:59:07 AM
Would not surprise me being Heihachi, Kasumi and Ryu. (Team Invite)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 31, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
Geese, Rugal, Heihachi.

Team Bad Dads.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 08:51:03 AM
Neglect, I fucking died and Thrown of a fucking volcano.



Dads of the year.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 31, 2021, 09:02:34 AM
“I had a son?”, “My son’s still alive?”, and “Fuck family amiright”

Killer team lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on January 31, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
They changed voice for Benimaru.
We're gonna miss Monster.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 31, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
They changed voice for Benimaru.
We're gonna miss Monster.

Wait wut?
It ain't Monster anymore? Can I get a source for that?

Cuz that means Choi (also voiced by Monster) might be replaced too, when both chars are iconic as hell.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 31, 2021, 10:51:33 AM
Guys they already have a guest character in here -- Mai from Dead or Alive.

Nope. Mai is a guest character in DoA, aswell Kula too.

Mai comes from Fatal Fury(as Terry, Joe, etc), while Kula is KoF speciffic.

Also, I can accept one, two as much guest characters in a game. There was no need in turning Tekken 7 in a mugen fangame. Gouki is kinda understable for 2 reasons, 1 is his background story(fullflling a promie to Kazumi) AND a possible opener to the long awaited Tekken vs Street Fighter, seeing how SF physics, projectiles etc works in a Tekken game.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on January 31, 2021, 11:08:38 AM
Guys they already have a guest character in here -- Mai from Dead or Alive.

Nope. Mai is a guest character in DoA, aswell Kula too.

Mai comes from Fatal Fury(as Terry, Joe, etc), while Kula is KoF speciffic.

Also, I can accept one, two as much guest characters in a game. There was no need in turning Tekken 7 in a mugen fangame. Gouki is kinda understable for 2 reasons, 1 is his background story(fullflling a promie to Kazumi) AND a possible opener to the long awaited Tekken vs Street Fighter, seeing how SF physics, projectiles etc works in a Tekken game.



I think that was a joke hahaha...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: AlexSin on January 31, 2021, 11:18:28 AM
It was, in fact he followed the joke with "In all seriousness[...]" meaning he was joking.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 31, 2021, 05:39:45 PM
Yeah... it was a joke haha.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 08:20:04 PM
Gouki/Akuma in Tekken 7 did make sense for sure, but Geese and Heihachi, it's just something badass about that crossover that I'd hope it would repeat itself at some point. (Outside of KoF All-Stars that is)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 31, 2021, 08:56:18 PM
Guys they already have a guest character in here -- Mai from Dead or Alive.

Nope. Mai is a guest character in DoA, aswell Kula too.

Mai comes from Fatal Fury(as Terry, Joe, etc), while Kula is KoF speciffic.

Also, I can accept one, two as much guest characters in a game. There was no need in turning Tekken 7 in a mugen fangame. Gouki is kinda understable for 2 reasons, 1 is his background story(fullflling a promie to Kazumi) AND a possible opener to the long awaited Tekken vs Street Fighter, seeing how SF physics, projectiles etc works in a Tekken game.



wait terry isn't from smash brothers?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on January 31, 2021, 08:57:45 PM
wait terry isn't from smash brothers?

Nope.

He's actually from Fighting EX Layer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on January 31, 2021, 08:59:30 PM
wait terry isn't from smash brothers?

Nope.

He's actually from Fighting EX Layer.

You are both clearly wrong. He is from Street Fighter. He just got a hat.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Lurker on January 31, 2021, 09:38:45 PM
They changed voice for Benimaru.
We're gonna miss Monster.

When? His real name was on the trailer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on January 31, 2021, 09:46:18 PM
Make me think, the first time they announced Mai in Doa5, I felt like... Wait ! You already have your own "Mai" (Momiji) kind of.

To come back to KOFXV subject.
I feel like they will not take many risks with "many" new comers this time.
I can definitely be wrong. I want to see the next trailer... their method worked on me, at least right now ^^;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 01, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Guys they already have a guest character in here -- Mai from Dead or Alive.

Nope. Mai is a guest character in DoA, aswell Kula too.

Mai comes from Fatal Fury(as Terry, Joe, etc), while Kula is KoF speciffic.

Also, I can accept one, two as much guest characters in a game. There was no need in turning Tekken 7 in a mugen fangame. Gouki is kinda understable for 2 reasons, 1 is his background story(fullflling a promie to Kazumi) AND a possible opener to the long awaited Tekken vs Street Fighter, seeing how SF physics, projectiles etc works in a Tekken game.



wait terry isn't from smash brothers?

No, he's from Chun Li's pachinko game
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 01, 2021, 04:44:34 AM
KOF Fan speculation is always wild

(https://i.imgur.com/VbRORG0.png)

Pretty much this hahahaha xD

I was one of the few around KOF forums that said "ok, that chinese outfit for Benimaru means something important". I knew it!
Now with the confirmation of Beni on Team Hero... What about Kyo's team? Many people around is betting for Kyo, Daimon and Shingo or even the return of the Sacred Treasures Team, which means the return of Chizuru. (finally?)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on February 02, 2021, 03:26:21 AM
Under the Control: HERO TEAM (OST)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on February 02, 2021, 10:20:48 AM
Going back through the KOF XIV endings, the AoF team ending had Takuma, Robert and Yuri going on about the BBQ place the were running and Ryo and Khushnood/Marco being all pissed and wanting to go off on their own. Could we see a new AoF team with Ryo, Marco and a new face? Or the return of Takuma with Robert and Yuri?

(Watch as it's Ryo, Robert and Yuri again! :P )
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 02, 2021, 03:25:20 PM
As long as they keep calling him Khushnood, or at least have the decency to retcon his "alt" name into something in portuguese and not the obviously spanish version he has. An appropriate name would be "Marcos Rodrigues", or at least just change the surname.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 02, 2021, 03:56:43 PM
KOF Fan speculation is always wild

(https://i.imgur.com/VbRORG0.png)

Pretty much this hahahaha xD

I was one of the few around KOF forums that said "ok, that chinese outfit for Benimaru means something important". I knew it!
Now with the confirmation of Beni on Team Hero... What about Kyo's team? Many people around is betting for Kyo, Daimon and Shingo or even the return of the Sacred Treasures Team, which means the return of Chizuru. (finally?)

who else is the most iconic boss in kof franchise? i've got a gut feeling that adelheid will be playable in this game and probably setup the return of rugal.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on February 03, 2021, 05:45:23 AM
New stand anim
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on February 03, 2021, 08:18:46 AM
Is it just me or does Benimaru's pose look super awkward?

He should bounce up and down, not sway from left to right.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 03, 2021, 02:08:31 PM
Didn't like Beni's pose aswell. But Meiten's is way better and funniest.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 03, 2021, 02:30:31 PM
I start to be more and more disgusted by some lazy-ass animations in some modern 2D fighting games...
Just like Sakura's normal moves in SFV and many others...

But yes, time is money. why paying skilled animators to do something good.

Hopefully this can be updated later.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTOAkira on February 03, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Sakura animation in SFV are far from being lazy lmao
I think shun ei and meiten looks pretty good. Benimaru stance actually seems pretty similar to his older one so I dont really have much issue with it
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 03, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
The thing about being like the older one... is that this isn't the older one, so it should have been an improvement.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on February 03, 2021, 05:19:32 PM
Is it just me or does Benimaru's pose look super awkward?

He should bounce up and down, not sway from left to right.

It is modeled to be exactly the same as the one from XIII, and about the same as XIV but with a more stylized pose. Since Benimaru is a 100% Jojo inspired character they need to go the extra mile with the dynamic "awkward pose"

Not a bug, but a feature. It looks great to me.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 03, 2021, 05:31:05 PM
Sakura animation in SFV are far from being lazy lmao

I will not go too deep into it, because everyone have his own level to accept effort put into art/animation/music etc.
Sakura's SF4 animations were (from my own point of view) really dynamic. Using some of the best "rules" "advices" of animation.
SF5 didn't for some of the animations, particularly Sakura's normals. when some other moves are very well animated.
exemple.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

About Benimaru, the pose is pretty OK to me.
Perhaps just the "frame" of animation itself gives a strange feeling.
a bit too artificial or something, hard to explain.
But again, everyone have his own acceptation of such work.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on February 03, 2021, 06:18:10 PM
Is it just me or does Benimaru's pose look super awkward?

He should bounce up and down, not sway from left to right.

It is modeled to be exactly the same as the one from XIII, and about the same as XIV but with a more stylized pose. Since Benimaru is a 100% Jojo inspired character they need to go the extra mile with the dynamic "awkward pose"

Not a bug, but a feature. It looks great to me.

Yeah... After seeing it a few more times, I guess it grew on me.
It doesn't look as bad as I first glanced at it.

But why can't SNK 3D models move smoothly like SFV or Tekken?
Their stiffness looks as if it's still PS2 era.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTOAkira on February 03, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
Dont want to derail to much about sakura but her animation are simply different. Her normal arent suppose to be the same as in SF4. Her animation are more focus since she is more experienced in V compare to 4. But again dont want to derail it to more.

Back to benimura and yeah his stance is pretty similar to his KOF13 one with slightly more movement. Still looks fine to me
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 03, 2021, 06:49:22 PM
The only animation that this game is obligated to nail perfectly is Kim’s pants.

That’s all that matters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on February 03, 2021, 10:34:18 PM
The only animation that this game is obligated to nail perfectly is Kim’s pants.

That’s all that matters.

This made me chuckle, not gonna lie. Before Kim's pants was '98 Heidern's Heavy Kick, which always seemed to be grossly over animated compared to other normal attacks, but I didn't care as it was a thing of beauty.  :mlol:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bannana on February 03, 2021, 10:41:33 PM
Going back through the KOF XIV endings, the AoF team ending had Takuma, Robert and Yuri going on about the BBQ place the were running and Ryo and Khushnood/Marco being all pissed and wanting to go off on their own. Could we see a new AoF team with Ryo, Marco and a new face? Or the return of Takuma with Robert and Yuri?

(Watch as it's Ryo, Robert and Yuri again! :P )

Marco is a little too similar to other Kyokugen in a way that they might not want to remove any other Kyokugen character for him. I think Robert not being in XI was a pretty big shake up, but he wasn't outright replaced with kyokugen so :p

Jenet, Gato, and Tizoc didn't really replace any core characters, and I couldn't see them doing anything even  like adding in Kim's sons, so there might not be any real Garou love coming around. Rock's probably the closest you'd get to it

One day they'll give us the meme team like they did with Duck King and maybe throw in some Fatal Fury characters like they did with Tung in XIV. Cheng should definitely come back at some point.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Niitris on February 03, 2021, 11:29:45 PM
Quote
Benimaru
The pose is stylized to look "dynamic" for lack of a better word. It's intentional and very much in character. Pretty much what Walt said.

Quote
Sakura
Her keyframes are weak compared to SFIV. Whoever did her posing could've done better in giving her motions more "whip." SFV animations are fine for the most part, Sakura unfortunately got a lower quality motion-artist. :P

But why can't SNK 3D models move smoothly like SFV or Tekken?
Their stiffness looks as if it's still PS2 era.
3D KoF animations are throttled in a way where windup to strike is too sudden, giving a unsmooth, "spastic" feeling. Probably intentional to emulate 2D sprite games as much as possible. Also makes sense since some animations date back to KoF XII.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on February 04, 2021, 03:17:02 AM
Iori Yagami Trailer
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 04, 2021, 03:23:55 AM
Iori's jacket gives me hope for Kim's pants.

Plus since characters are getting revealed by the teams... next week is the next member of his team. If it's Mature/Vice, we know where this team is going.

If it's Kyo... oh boy.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on February 04, 2021, 03:28:40 AM
So Iori has somehow acquired water manipulation judging from his Desperation Move.

For real tho, not feeling that FX.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on February 04, 2021, 03:41:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtWOy7VVkAAXM1o?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtWO0rTVIAMiyoL?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtWO1lUVcAEsa6r?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtWO2fgVIAEfgCb?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bannana on February 04, 2021, 03:55:17 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/138120117635514368/806711219351977994/unknown.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on February 04, 2021, 04:50:49 AM
He jacket looks nice, but I kinda miss the white in there. At least it looks better than his XIV jacket imo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on February 04, 2021, 05:01:55 AM
Iori Yagami Trailer
[youtube]https://youtu.be/XeAg8B2Vyeg[/youtube]

Wow, I can't believe they just showed the best CLIMAX in the game already. Bold move, SNK.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 04, 2021, 05:34:36 AM
yeah the trailer was increible they really shatter all expectations.! this time.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 04, 2021, 05:42:50 AM
While it was no surprise Iori would be in this game, seeing him is still really hype. Rewatching the trailer, I just really like the way he moves.

I love his design too, I think he looks very sleek here. It feels like a more modern update of his classic design this time.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on February 04, 2021, 06:30:18 AM
My only complaint is that KOF XV's reveals are very slow it feels like...

XIV had multiple characters being revealed per teaser.

One character every week feels slow and tiresome.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 04, 2021, 06:32:58 AM
My only complaint is that KOF XV's reveals are very slow it feels like...

XIV had multiple characters being revealed per teaser.

One character every week feels slow and tiresome.

This I agree with completely. I feel it would be a bit more exciting if it was a team reveal per week.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShadowHand BXR on February 04, 2021, 09:23:11 AM
Sakura animation in SFV are far from being lazy lmao

I will not go too deep into it, because everyone have his own level to accept effort put into art/animation/music etc.
Sakura's SF4 animations were (from my own point of view) really dynamic. Using some of the best "rules" "advices" of animation.
SF5 didn't for some of the animations, particularly Sakura's normals. when some other moves are very well animated.
exemple.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

About Benimaru, the pose is pretty OK to me.
Perhaps just the "frame" of animation itself gives a strange feeling.
a bit too artificial or something, hard to explain.
But again, everyone have his own acceptation of such work.

Yea this nigga is right on that, SFV Sakuras animation is pretty much ass tier. Meaning it sucks ass. I would confirm lazy attemlt (even though i didnt see the animator working his ass off)
Even if it wasnt lazy, you can see just how bad it is. Cody has very bad animations. That Lucia bish also feels kinda wierd.. Well that leaves idiot G..

KOF XV
Man that Iori soul crushing Shun F'n Ei is really messed up.. He shouldve demo'd that on.. Wait.. If i was KoF i would DLC this Iori, but i hate Iori anyways. Its gonna be a pain to fight this bastard
So like , guys and gals, wasn't this costume created here in Mugenguild or by creators here that made that jacket look ?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 04, 2021, 09:54:23 AM
Sakura animation in SFV are far from being lazy lmao

I will not go too deep into it, because everyone have his own level to accept effort put into art/animation/music etc.
Sakura's SF4 animations were (from my own point of view) really dynamic. Using some of the best "rules" "advices" of animation.
SF5 didn't for some of the animations, particularly Sakura's normals. when some other moves are very well animated.
exemple.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

About Benimaru, the pose is pretty OK to me.
Perhaps just the "frame" of animation itself gives a strange feeling.
a bit too artificial or something, hard to explain.
But again, everyone have his own acceptation of such work.

Yea this nigga is right on that, SFV Sakuras animation is pretty much ass tier. Meaning it sucks ass. I would confirm lazy attemlt (even though i didnt see the animator working his ass off)
Even if it wasnt lazy, you can see just how bad it is. Cody has very bad animations. That Lucia bish also feels kinda wierd.. Well that leaves idiot G..

KOF XV
Man that Iori soul crushing Shun F'n Ei is really messed up.. He shouldve demo'd that on.. Wait.. If i was KoF i would DLC this Iori, but i hate Iori anyways. Its gonna be a pain to fight this bastard
So like , guys and gals, wasn't this costume created here in Mugenguild or by creators here that made that jacket look ?

Quote
Yea this nigga

English is not my mother language, but this "N" word sounds a bit... anyway...

About Capcom.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

About KOF.
The trailer is extremely good this time, Iori looks very badass, I still have some plastic effect or something, but it will be fixed later.
His animations are pretty OK to me. and his design is one of the best, glad they gave him this appearance... The hair is great.
Also, just like Kolossoni said, I feel like I didn't get enough... Very frustrating.

My feeling is (JUST MY FEELING, OK?) is that they are in a rush to work full time on any character, because not much is completed right now.
Something like "let's complete this character at 75%, so in 3 days, we can show a trailer to the community." (to simulate a complete character)
So giving it, drop by drop every week could be a way to "temporize" the showing of game, and "building" the game actually, since it's far to be ready to play. Again, it's JUST my point of view (and sorry for the lame english)

Guys, who do you thing would be the other team members ?
It's certainly early to tell, but could it be someone else than Vice and Mature? ^^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 04, 2021, 11:04:59 AM
English is not my mother language, but this "N" word sounds a bit... anyway...
Different word. The "a" one is common.

Those flames look super weird. Like those old awful Photoshop filters. The XII design was the best, I don't like the long jacket, but it's still a bit better than the XIV one. The velvet touch looks nice.
I'm super bummed they ditched the Yatagarasu (probably to get away from the Orochi stuff), but the new Homura Hotogi looks okay. Maybe Orochi Iori will be a separate spot.
Quote
Aoi hana again
Ugh
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on February 04, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
So Iori's regained his flames and the old moveset looks like it's back as it were, but there were a few slash type attacks in there, I'm guessing it's just his normals/command normals?

Either way, I like the new look even if he does wail like Yamazaki in the Climax. :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 04, 2021, 04:08:16 PM
He seems identical to XIV, with the new upward attack at the end of EX Aoi Hana, I guess that's what you saw.
(I hope at least he doesn't have that incredibly dumb super with a super slow spark that moves like 2 feet in front of him)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 04, 2021, 04:13:24 PM
English is not my mother language, but this "N" word sounds a bit... anyway...
Different word. The "a" one is common.
I may not come from an English speaking country, but even I know that is a lie. Never, in any place, have I seen any variation of the n-word being considered acceptable.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on February 04, 2021, 04:14:32 PM
He jacket looks nice, but I kinda miss the white in there. At least it looks better than his XIV jacket imo.

Yeah it looks like another iori which is cool
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 04, 2021, 04:23:37 PM
I may not come from an English speaking country, but even I know that is a lie. Never, in any place, have I seen any variation of the n-word being considered acceptable.
... it's common among Black people. White people don't usually use it afaik.
Stop being weird, guys.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 04, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
I may not come from an English speaking country, but even I know that is a lie. Never, in any place, have I seen any variation of the n-word being considered acceptable.

White people can't say it but black people can. Nuff said.



Anyhoo how about we leap back into KOF XV. Who will his teammates be? Mature and Vice again?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 04, 2021, 04:54:41 PM
Anyhoo how about we leap back into KOF XV. Who will his teammates be? Mature and Vice again?

I want Chizuru, so I'm hoping it's her and that toolbag Kyo to reunite the Three Sacred Treasures team but I can't think of a lore-related reason for that to happen.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 04, 2021, 05:13:21 PM
I'm assuming they're showing teams starting with the leader, you know a Sacred Treasures team would have started with Kyo. The secretaries are still the most obvious expectation. I just hope they return to the XIII designs and not those super weird shoulder slits. Mature's XII design was a banger (and with Iori's XII design they looked like a nice little family with matching outfits too)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 04, 2021, 05:48:15 PM
I'm assuming they're showing teams starting with the leader, you know a Sacred Treasures team would have started with Kyo. The secretaries are still the most obvious expectation. I just hope they return to the XIII designs and not those super weird shoulder slits. Mature's XII design was a banger (and with Iori's XII design they looked like a nice little family with matching outfits too)

I think the same! Particularly for these 2 secretaries design...
I'm still open to a reinterpretation of their classic design with a new touch on it.

English is not my mother language, but this "N" word sounds a bit... anyway...
Different word. The "a" one is common.
I may not come from an English speaking country, but even I know that is a lie. Never, in any place, have I seen any variation of the n-word being considered acceptable.

I thought like you. Thanks for confirming.
Anyway...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 04, 2021, 05:58:29 PM
Expectations: Mature and Vice on Iori’s team.

Game’s tag line: Shatter all expectations.

Someone’s losing ground here.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on February 04, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
He seems identical to XIV, with the new upward attack at the end of EX Aoi Hana, I guess that's what you saw.
(I hope at least he doesn't have that incredibly dumb super with a super slow spark that moves like 2 feet in front of him)

Must admit... I don't use Iori. I've always gone for King, Andy and Robert where possible. I'm hoping that they're changed up a little if they return, but I'm actually interested in Iori now.  As for his team? I'm assuming Mature and Vice, although I'm secretly hoping (I know it won't happen!) that Billy and Eiji end up with him again. :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 04, 2021, 07:34:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5R9BAc8.png)
Yep, that was me when i saw Iori's Climax. :v

Surely this outfit is WAY BETTER than that crap on KOF XIV and highly remind me of the "Another Iori" on KOF 2000, that is based on Shinkiro's art.
But that Climax tho! Damn! :)

For real tho, not feeling that FX.

I'm with you Kirishima, the FX is kinda weird.

Guys, who do you thing would be the other team members ?
It's certainly early to tell, but could it be someone else than Vice and Mature? ^^

Still bet on the Sacred Treasures Team (Kyo, Iori and Chizuru).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bannana on February 04, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
I agree the flames look weird, very little impact. They're definitely using effekseer like they did with Samsho 2019, and while most effects come out great in it, I've had trouble getting convincing flames from it at times.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on February 04, 2021, 09:01:14 PM
I really hope SNK means it by "Shatter all expectations".

If I have to wait one week for Mature/Vice, and one more for the second one, then it's not my expectations that's shattered, rather my patience and excitement lol.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 04, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
I really hope SNK means it by "Shatter all expectations".

If I have to wait one week for Mature/Vice, and one more for the second one, then it's not my expectations that's shattered, rather my patience and excitement lol.

EXACTLY.

The expected Yagami team can't come next. I mean SNK knows this, right? They know that Iori/Mature/Vice has been the trio for a long time now.

If they wanna shatter all expectations they should be conscious that repeating this team would not shatter all expectations.

...... then again maybe we're all expecting the unexpected and they'll use the expected team to shatter our expectations of our expectations being shattered.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 04, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
I really hope SNK means it by "Shatter all expectations".

If I have to wait one week for Mature/Vice, and one more for the second one, then it's not my expectations that's shattered, rather my patience and excitement lol.

EXACTLY.

The expected Yagami team can't come next. I mean SNK knows this, right? They know that Iori/Mature/Vice has been the trio for a long time now.

If they wanna shatter all expectations they should be conscious that repeating this team would not shatter all expectations.

...... then again maybe we're all expecting the unexpected and they'll use the expected team to shatter our expectations of our expectations being shattered.

Yes, this is why I asked your thoughs.
I felt like they want to make kind of surprise like Beni beiing part of a mostly Chinese team.

So, yes, chances they do something "new."

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 05, 2021, 01:02:34 AM
I think Iori will be getting an all new team this time. I personally think they may bring back the idea they originally had for XII of him teamibg up with Oswald and a newcomer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: QuickFist on February 05, 2021, 01:30:29 AM
XI* I think, but yeah, I'm a big Iori fan and I'd like for him to have other teammates than Mature and Vice, yes, it's a super iconic team, but, we can always use some change
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Miru962 on February 05, 2021, 02:09:48 AM
What if we got Iori’s ORIGINAL team from 95 (Eiji and Billy) instead of the usual or Three Sacred Treasures?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 05, 2021, 02:20:20 AM
What if we got Iori’s ORIGINAL team from 95 (Eiji and Billy) instead of the usual or Three Sacred Treasures?

They'd need one hell of a story reason for them to get together again considering they all detest each other and Iori beat them both the hell up (though, if I remember correctly, that was due to the Riot of the Blood... but I could be remembering wrong).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 05, 2021, 04:20:56 AM


Smooth. :3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on February 05, 2021, 04:51:04 AM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBX67I5dwWc[/youtube]

Smooth. :3

Hmmmm. with that OST, I'll 100 percent wager that his teammates are going to be Vice & Mature.

No way that Kyo & Chizuru, or whoever is the 3rd supposed candidate will share Saxophone under the Moon (or Stormy Saxophone) unless it's the two ladies.

The OST kinda sold it tbh.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 05, 2021, 06:08:49 AM
If it's Mature and Vice, then they're actively sabotaging their own tagline in the most preventable way possible lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: JudaiZX on February 05, 2021, 06:11:10 AM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBX67I5dwWc[/youtube]

Smooth. :3

Hmmmm. with that OST, I'll 100 percent wager that his teammates are going to be Vice & Mature.

No way that Kyo & Chizuru, or whoever is the 3rd supposed candidate will share Saxophone under the Moon (or Stormy Saxophone) unless it's the two ladies.

The OST kinda sold it tbh.

Inb4 we get separate character themes instead of just one team theme this time.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on February 05, 2021, 06:12:04 AM
If it's Mature and Vice, then they're actively sabotaging their own tagline in the most preventable way possible lol

Hahaha yeah.

Another theory would be Iori and Kyo entering as single characters without a specific team.
Just like 99 and 00.

I think it'll be okay since NESTS saga also revolved around a new hero, K' where Kyo and Iori were there just for gameplay reasons.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 05, 2021, 07:26:09 AM
I would love a Fatal Fury team akin to the one we got in KoF XI. There was something special about Terry teaming up with people other than Joe and Andy, and seeing both Kim and Terry on the same team was fantastic.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on February 05, 2021, 08:35:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etbd3w3VkAEMeq5?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Niitris on February 05, 2021, 09:07:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBX67I5dwWc

Pretty underwhelming tbh, all that did was make me want to hear the original. Could've done a little more with it I suppose.

I think they'll give him a different team, it's not like SNK to give Iori the same teammates consistently.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on February 05, 2021, 07:57:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBX67I5dwWc

Pretty underwhelming tbh, all that did was make me want to hear the original. Could've done a little more with it I suppose.

I think they'll give him a different team, it's not like SNK to give Iori the same teammates consistently.

For the record - The song from the trailer isn't new to KOF XV, it's actually from a remix from KOF XIV's PS4 "Yagami" Theme, and it's been out since 4 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ39ZHWxsRM).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 06, 2021, 08:45:48 PM
jacket looks great simple and elegant but that maroon bits makes it hard to see the design on his collar and the moon on his back. not a fan of the fire effect.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on February 07, 2021, 01:12:54 PM
I think Iori will be getting an all new team this time. I personally think they may bring back the idea they originally had for XII of him teamibg up with Oswald and a newcomer.

I often had this trio in my mind:-
Iori
Oswald
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

That way we can finally have one canon this time.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 11, 2021, 03:01:36 AM
Iori with Joe wtf

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 11, 2021, 03:03:19 AM
.............


Consider my expectations fucking annihilated.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on February 11, 2021, 03:09:07 AM
this either means that 1. joe is with iori, or 2. they're going to reveal the fatal fury team and iori's team right before the gameplay showcase
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Nemuresu on February 11, 2021, 03:13:49 AM
I so do not know what to take off of this reveal. I may need to look back at the Hero team trailers, but I so do not recall teams having more than one theme, and frankly, this gives me too many ideas, none of 'em I'm a subcriber towards:
1.- Iori is truly teaming up with Joe (why?)
2.- Iori's a standalone character (think of a 97/99/2000 situation)
3.- Both characters are just part of different teams
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 11, 2021, 03:16:57 AM
Consider my expectations fucking annihilated.

hehehehehe

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33zNUxCddys[/youtube]
so cool you can mix levels
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 11, 2021, 03:18:08 AM
Joe has been on the Fatal Fury team in every single game. He's been with Terry in every game, and Andy is almost every game (with like, one or two exceptions).

So assuming this is still following the trend of reveals-by-team-order, then...

... why the literal hell is Joe with Iori? I NEED to get some clarity AND know the story reason... assuming that IS what this is.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 11, 2021, 03:37:54 AM
I'm literally crying from laughter here!

This move was pure genius! SNK just threw off everyone who's been trying to predict who would gonna be revealed. Next week nobody will have any goddamn idea what character will be shown.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on February 11, 2021, 03:39:10 AM
There is only ONE possible explanation for a canon Iori/Joe team up.

SNK is once again stealing ideas from MUGEN and we are now getting the long awaited OROCHI JOE (https://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/orochi-joe-released-soy-sauce-31319-186369.0.html).  You see Joe will now be revealed to be a heir of Orochi because well how else is he able to magically create tornados from his bare hands and Iori decided to keep a close eye on him.

(Or maybe Iori's a single entry rather than a team like how Ash was in XIII I dunno nice way to throw us off)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Bannana on February 11, 2021, 03:40:43 AM
I hope all the teams are gonna be 2k3/XI on crack, I loved how they mixed it up then.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on February 11, 2021, 03:51:41 AM
There is only ONE possible explanation for a canon Iori/Joe team up.

SNK is once again stealing ideas from MUGEN and we are now getting the long awaited OROCHI JOE (https://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/orochi-joe-released-soy-sauce-31319-186369.0.html).  You see Joe will now be revealed to be a heir of Orochi because well how else is he able to magically create tornados from his bare hands and Iori decided to keep a close eye on him.


So assuming this is still following the trend of reveals-by-team-order, then...

... why the literal hell is Joe with Iori? I NEED to get some clarity AND know the story reason... assuming that IS what this is.

maybe he might be following Iori to investigate why Mature and Vice have been following him around, and hopefully wants one of them or both of them to follow him as well just to avoid that transgender woman that he often encountered in kof03 and kof13? :mlol:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 11, 2021, 04:04:04 AM
maybe he might be following Iori to investigate why Mature and Vice have been following him around, and hopefully wants one of them or both of them to follow him as well just to avoid that transgender woman that he often encountered in kof03 and kof13? :mlol:

I don't

get it

wut
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Seadragon77 on February 11, 2021, 04:47:32 AM
I personally think that since they unveiled the Hero Team for this game, the guys at SNK are throwing out trailers to tell everyone 'Hey, this character is in the game..'

I think a lot of people may notice that Iori and Joe don't exactly fit as team mates... yet, if SNK are throwing out trailers to say that so and so is in the game, then that might be what I'm seeing here.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DauntlessMonk7 on February 11, 2021, 04:59:06 AM
3.- Both characters are just part of different teams

I think it's probably this, with them announcing characters out of order from their respective teams.
I believe KOF XIV did this, as well.
Although the story ideas that could come with Joe hypothetically being kicked out/replaced from team Fatal Fury & ending up teaming with Iori are pretty interesting to me...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 11, 2021, 05:07:04 AM
But if it's random then it feels super disorganized and wouldn't make a lot of sense.

I mean from a thematic view -- they revealed the Hero Team first... it'd be weird if they just stopped revealing teams, or revealed them at random. Like we have to go through another 8 reveals before it's like "Team Fatal Fury!"
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DauntlessMonk7 on February 11, 2021, 06:06:33 AM
But if it's random then it feels super disorganized and wouldn't make a lot of sense.
I mean from a thematic view -- they revealed the Hero Team first... it'd be weird if they just stopped revealing teams, or revealed them at random. Like we have to go through another 8 reveals before it's like "Team Fatal Fury!"

I think it's basically to keep people guessing as to who will be revealed next.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on February 11, 2021, 06:28:31 AM
Sorry, but I'm now seriously wondering:

how many trailers are left, until we get to see someone that isn't pretty much a revamp from KOFXIV?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 11, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
I'm literally crying from laughter here!

Me too Magma xD

SNK, you silly lol
Really such a move, considering that 99% are expecting for Kyo, Chizuru or even Mature, Vice. But then, just exactly the most troll from Fatal Fury. hahaha :v

Well, i believe if SNK doesn't come out with some surprise again, Iori will be a standalone character pretty much like in KOF '97, '99 and 2003 (yeah, Kyo, Iori and Chizuru are standalone in KOF 2003, the Sacred Treasures Team are for story purpose).

About Joe, his design, specially his shorts reminds me A LOT of his appearance in RBFF Special and RBFF2. Pretty much like Iori that reminds his "Another" version from KOF 2000. Also i've saw a little bit of improvement on the FX and SNK showed more details about the gameplay that from what i saw on Meiten, Benimaru and now on Joe trailers, it's pretty much the stuff from KOF XIII with a little bit from KOF XIV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 11, 2021, 10:06:16 AM
Sorry, but I'm now seriously wondering:

how many trailers are left, until we get to see someone that isn't pretty much a revamp from KOFXIV?

this!


Actually the trailer is pretty good.
But yes, I want to see something new as well!!

I think they first put the revamped characters because the new ones are peraps less polished right now.

But, damn... it will be so long. In november 2021, we can finally see some new stuff ^^;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on February 11, 2021, 10:47:28 AM
I may need to look back at the Hero team trailers, but I so do not recall teams having more than one theme.

Shun'ei, Meitenkun and Benimaru all do have different themes in their trailers: Shun'ei using what seems to be the main theme for XV, I have no idea what Meitenkun's theme is from and Benimaru used the actual team theme in his trailer.

As was mentioned before, Iori's trailer theme is actually from XIV, not just the original it's based off of, but the remix was at least released when XIV was out, as well. Joe's trailer theme actually comes from Fatal Fury 2, so there's some wayback for ya =P If SNK didn't just abandon this pattern of revealing team members one after another and Joe and Iori really are a team, whatever their actual team theme is going to be will be revealed next week when their partner is also revealed. God, who the hell is that gonna be?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 11, 2021, 10:51:40 AM
Oh nice, that Real Bout 2 super is back (basically). I guess it's faster than the Bakuretsu Hurricane Tiger Kakato.

edit - oh, he had it in XIV. So again, no change, copy-paste everything from XIV, uh. That's not going well.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 11, 2021, 11:01:03 AM
Or they're just showing 2 of 3 people in the team:

Shun'ei - Meitenkun -  ?
Benimaru - Kyo -?
Iori - Joe - ?

Or maybe, as it's been said, iori is a standalone character.

OR Billy's sister asked Joe for teaming up with Iori because he kicked his brother's ass so she sends him to take revenge, lost the combat and now is forced to team with Yagami xDD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 11, 2021, 11:21:37 AM
Or they're just showing 2 of 3 people in the team:

Shun'ei - Meitenkun -  ?
Benimaru - Kyo -?
Iori - Joe - ?

Or maybe, as it's been said, iori is a standalone character.

OR Billy's sister asked Joe for teaming up with Iori because he kicked his brother's ass so she sends him to take revenge, lost the combat and now is forced to team with Yagami xDD

Haha! Nice one! :D

I feel like they will not follow any "rule" for trailers.
Unless trailers 1, 2, 3 are a team (since it's hero team), then they show other characters in a trategic way to keep the hype.
even if the following ones are not from the same team.

"Here" the treailers are at 3AM, but I prefer to go to sleep, so I have a nice reason to wake up the "next day" in the morning ^^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on February 11, 2021, 04:22:14 PM
Or they're just showing 2 of 3 people in the team:

Shun'ei - Meitenkun -  ?
Benimaru - Kyo -?
Iori - Joe - ?



But, were Beni not just confirmed as part of Shun's and Meit's team, forming the Hero Team? I don't see how he would also be with Kyo, or SNK go back on that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 11, 2021, 04:49:55 PM
OR Billy's sister asked Joe for teaming up with Iori because he kicked his brother's ass so she sends him to take revenge, lost the combat and now is forced to team with Yagami xDD

Good theory here lol :v

Well, if Iori will be a standalone, if you guys saw the KOF XIV manga will make sense. Probably Mature and Vice will team up with... Rugal? Or even Adel?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 11, 2021, 11:25:59 PM
iori and joe = new team japan?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 11, 2021, 11:54:40 PM
iori and joe = new team japan?

Team Japan’t
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on February 12, 2021, 04:09:03 AM
OR Billy's sister asked Joe for teaming up with Iori because he kicked his brother's ass so she sends him to take revenge, lost the combat and now is forced to team with Yagami xDD
I like this ;D
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on February 12, 2021, 06:03:42 AM
I'm still going for my Orochi Joe theory.

Better yet, give everyone Orochi Blood and turn it into a new mechanic.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 12, 2021, 09:24:34 AM
I'm still going for my Orochi Joe theory.

Better yet, give everyone Orochi Blood and turn it into a new mechanic.
What do you think this is? MUGEN?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on February 14, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
I'm still going for my Orochi Joe theory.

Better yet, give everyone Orochi Blood and turn it into a new mechanic.
maybe mature and vice successfully get into Joe and turns him into Oroch Joe by channelling Goenitz's soul into him seeing him having similar hurricane moves :mlol: There was a non-cannon kof manga where a woman from the Yagami clan was possessed by Goenitz, maybe similar to that if Joe is teamed with Iori :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on February 15, 2021, 01:09:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuO5rtbVkAAAIvx?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 15, 2021, 02:33:04 PM
How, he got his back shown to us, and he has no ass, what's with the flatness? That guy is kicking all the time, there should be some muscle there.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 15, 2021, 04:46:35 PM
I knew it! They really got inspiration from Real Bout Special for his shorts. This is great.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on February 15, 2021, 04:53:55 PM
Joe has never looked this badass IMO.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 15, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
the next one will be terry hehe
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on February 17, 2021, 10:23:10 PM
The Red Sun in Joe's backside has people speculating he might be part of TEAM JAPAN, but SNK sneakily showed the words FATAL FURY in the South Beach Stage shown in his trailer, so it's very likely he'll be FF.

Looking forward to a new reveal in a few hours, can't imagine who it'll be
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 18, 2021, 03:02:55 AM


HA!! I KNEW IT!!

SNK really trolled us on Joe's trailer xD They're hiding the stuff!
Kyo looks good eh, i like his new Climax.

But God, the Arena stage still dull.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 03:06:19 AM
There is still hope for Team Sacred Treasures.

Kyo's looking dope, I like this. Wasn't worth the wait today though, but was still a fine trailer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Croix12 on February 18, 2021, 03:25:54 AM
And here I was hoping for Chizuru's trailer today... Kyo's design in this looks better than XIV's at least.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 03:27:10 AM
And here I was hoping for Chizuru's trailer today... Kyo's design in this looks better than XIV's at least.

Technically speaking, it could still happen. The fate of Team Sacred Treasures is up in the air but not out of the realm of plausibility yet.

I'm hoping Chizuru finally returns, she deserves it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Croix12 on February 18, 2021, 03:29:43 AM
And here I was hoping for Chizuru's trailer today... Kyo's design in this looks better than XIV's at least.

Technically speaking, it could still happen. The fate of Team Sacred Treasures is up in the air but not out of the realm of plausibility yet.

I'm hoping Chizuru finally returns, she deserves it.

I guess is time to wait another week
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 18, 2021, 03:31:47 AM
And here I was hoping for Chizuru's trailer today... Kyo's design in this looks better than XIV's at least.

WAY better than in XIV that's for sure. Kyo's design was a mess on the last KOF.
I believe i said this before but this new design reminds me of his "SP" version in KOF '99 Evolution and one of his appearances in KOF Kyo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 18, 2021, 03:54:58 AM
goddamn these fire effects look like orange colored slime, why are they doing this
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 03:57:16 AM
....... yeeeeeaaaaaah I keep telling myself "It's fine" but christ the fire looks real bad.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 18, 2021, 04:00:48 AM
also is his SDM new? he creates a ring of fire that looks like the kusanagi symbol. maybe its a teaser for the sacred treasures angle
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on February 18, 2021, 04:03:34 AM
Feels so good to listen to Goodbye Esaka again that it still hurts me on how SNK and Co. did not add that track in Smash Ultimate.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 04:05:48 AM
Goodbye Esakurai





I'll leave
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 18, 2021, 04:15:16 AM
Wondering how much they'll talk about this game, if at all, on the round table.

By the way, I'm seeing a pattern with the trailers now. They've been alternating between characters that were shown in the first trailer and characters that weren't.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 18, 2021, 04:25:33 AM
also is his SDM new? he creates a ring of fire that looks like the kusanagi symbol. maybe its a teaser for the sacred treasures angle

Pretty much like Iori's SDM.

If Chizuru returns, probably will be like this with her.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 18, 2021, 05:59:56 AM
Shatter all expectations means don't have any lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on February 18, 2021, 06:26:51 AM
goddamn these fire effects look like orange colored slime, why are they doing this
Kyo manifesting what I assume is actual lava in his SDM was something I didn't expect in their whole "shatter expectation" campaign thing.

Or maybe their FX department just stopped caring.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 18, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
And goodbye Mu Shiki I guess with that effect style.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on February 18, 2021, 09:41:09 AM
If Kyo is announced, doas that means we'll get Chizuru at some point to finally form a "Sacred Treasure Team" like in KoF96?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 18, 2021, 09:50:19 AM
No real surprise here. But Looks very good.
Perhaps 1 or 2 things that could look better in animation. (key frames)
But I feel satisfied by what I see about Kyo...

It will be very long until we see more ^^;

Now, let's start actual news !!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on February 18, 2021, 02:43:13 PM
So, will SNK continue to reveal Joe's team next week and hold off on an eventual Chizuru, or will they throw yet another curveball to shatter more of our expectations?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 18, 2021, 05:05:20 PM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEx2_jSqbRo[/youtube]

HA!! I KNEW IT!!

SNK really trolled us on Joe's trailer xD They're hiding the stuff!
Kyo looks good eh, i like his new Climax.

But God, the Arena stage still dull.

the flame effects has improved a lot :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 18, 2021, 05:07:51 PM
So, will SNK continue to reveal Joe's team next week and hold off on an eventual Chizuru, or will they throw yet another curveball to shatter more of our expectations?

whatever SNK does will be welcome :) because they really care details this time, but we'll get some news about the game this saturday 20th too
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on February 18, 2021, 05:37:52 PM
Is that confirmed that we will get? Because if that's the case, SUPER HYPE. And I agree, finally they go for details and finetuning it seems.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 18, 2021, 05:57:27 PM
Is that confirmed that we will get? Because if that's the case, SUPER HYPE. And I agree, finally they go for details and finetuning it seems.

a youtuber called rooflemonger says YES but it supposed to, because every developer will be there on that stream
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on February 18, 2021, 06:07:28 PM
I like the theme remix this time. But I wished we got Tears....then again I wonder when or if Shingo might show up. If Chizuru shows up yeah that is nice. Especially inf New Face team are back with remixed moveset!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 18, 2021, 06:42:10 PM
what was so expectation shattering about the reveals so far tbh
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 18, 2021, 06:54:33 PM
So far the expectation shatterings have just been warped into confusion.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on February 19, 2021, 05:19:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EujeMNbUYAAEG5C?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 19, 2021, 05:21:58 AM
I've very hype. Ngl, rewatching Kyo's trailer a lot. It gets me more and more hyped and the fire effects are growing on me.

Also the impact on all his hits is insane... so satisfying to watch every attack land. It screams "I have 25+ years of experience under my belt".
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTOAkira on February 19, 2021, 10:27:34 AM
There is an fighting game devlopper round table tomorrow and snk confirmed they will reveal more info about KOF15 there.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2021/feb/12/japan-fighting-publisher-roundtable-announcement/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 19, 2021, 10:15:58 PM
I hope they show a new trailer tho.

Please be Chizuru. :v
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 21, 2021, 09:10:39 AM
well your wish just happened.

sunday reveal? expectations shattered!!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 21, 2021, 09:17:00 AM
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 21, 2021, 09:27:42 AM
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on February 21, 2021, 09:53:39 AM
Finally after 2003.....she is back!!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 21, 2021, 10:47:54 AM
I now KNOW. I'll buy KOF XV!!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on February 21, 2021, 12:24:47 PM
CHIZURUUUUU!!! SHE'S FINALLY BAAAACK!!
Now the Sacred Treasures team are reunited once again!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on February 21, 2021, 01:43:12 PM
I thought that would never happen after KOF 2003. Kyo and Iori are a big trouble when that combines. Like water and electricity.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on February 21, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
Shame we didn't get to see the end of her Climax, but I'm seriously happy that she's back. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 21, 2021, 02:31:03 PM
her gameplay wasnt impressed me a lot like kyo or Iori did but I think many people will be happy that she's back
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 21, 2021, 02:34:32 PM
well your wish just happened.

sunday reveal? expectations shattered!!!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsPbqdEbh4[/youtube]

Hell yeah!!!! :D :D
Finally she's back and yes, many of us got it. The Sacred Treasures Team is in.
If Chizuru returns and joins with Kyo and Iori, it's because the trouble is damn serious.

I thought that would never happen after KOF 2003. Kyo and Iori are a big trouble when that combines. Like water and electricity.

Chizuru pretty much put both Kyo and Iori on the line. :v
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 21, 2021, 02:53:21 PM
Actually I'm hyped by the fact she IS here, but just like all the characters until now, the animations are not particularly good. Just so so.
Also, I'm glad they didn't f*ck'd up with her design. She's perfect, even if I would give her a bit more "curves" :D
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 21, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
I would have liked to see an improvement on her visual gameplay
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 21, 2021, 03:14:19 PM
After 18 years, the waifu finally returns
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on February 21, 2021, 03:39:49 PM
Here I was expecting what kind of funky FX these madlads injected this time but we gotta wait a bit longer for the end result.  Calling it now that Chizuru could now create liquid nitrogen in the way Iori causes scalding water geysers and Kyo summoning lava with his bare hands.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 21, 2021, 04:26:52 PM
After watched the trailer again.

- Her design is great. Thank God SNK won't messed up with that. :v
- The new stage showed is pretty much the Japan Team's one from KOF '94 and looks amazing.
Spoiler: Screens (click to see content)
- Chizuru's moves looks good. Only the envshake on Sanrai No Fujin looks damn strange.

And well, glad that Chizuru is back for real and finally the Sacred Treasures as a team, not only a special formation for the story like in KOF '96, '97 and 2003 (to make clear, in KOF 2003 Kyo, Iori and Chizuru are single entries).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on February 21, 2021, 06:13:13 PM
Can't wait to see next reveal!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 21, 2021, 08:15:20 PM
I like how this is the trailer that just cemented the hype for KOF XV lol

This game has now skyrocketed to “I need this in my life” levels
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on February 22, 2021, 12:01:54 AM
I do not know how many differences the version of 98 will have with the one of 2003
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 22, 2021, 12:05:22 AM
Its the same Chizuru as she's always been.

Seems her climax will work like that move Piccolo uses against #17 in DBZ.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 22, 2021, 12:10:42 AM
Seeing the Chizuru trailer over and over again just makes me think that Luong is basically ghetto Chizuru in terms of design (not gameplay).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 22, 2021, 12:25:27 AM
The other day I watched the similar comparison for Kyo XV next to Kyo XIV. Absolutely identical. The fresh coat of paint is real nice, it's good to get a graphic design that's watchable, but clearly we already know the entire moveset and game plan of any character that will appear, so someone wake me up when there's something we haven't already seen in a previous game. I'll be right next to the pieces of my expectations for this revival game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DarkWolf13 on February 22, 2021, 12:36:15 AM
Well this is a super pleasant surprise. Excitement for this game has to be higher than ever especially for Chizuru mains.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on February 22, 2021, 01:24:28 AM
I must reiterate that I would love to see that Kensou-Angel team up. Screw Athena, Kensou needs to be more than just some dude that Athena eternally leaves in the friendzone.

(also if this game could somehow continue the dragon spirit plot that would be great)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2021, 01:58:54 AM
I really wish they would try new things and redesign their characters, even if it were just movesets. Nice to see Chizuru back though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 22, 2021, 02:03:36 AM
I really wish they would try new things and redesign their characters, even if it were just movesets. Nice to see Chizuru back though.

I'm personally content seeing the iconic designs coming to life in 3D. Street Fighter V has turned me away from heavy redesigns of iconic characters lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 22, 2021, 02:04:24 AM
Street Fighter V has turned me away from heavy redesigns of iconic characters lol
But SFV also has classic costumes for everyone. And KoF is already bringing new designs for Kyo, Iori, Beni, and even Joe gets a new pair of shorts. (Kyo is much closer to his classic design than the XIV version, sure, but it's still a way off from the school uniform)
(alright, Iori getting a new velvet jacket is not as jarring as Gouki becoming a lion for some fucking reason, but the nostalgia costumes are there in SFV)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 22, 2021, 02:13:42 AM
But SFV also has classic costumes for everyone. And KoF is already bringing new designs for Kyo, Iori, Beni, and even Joe gets a new pair of shorts. (Kyo is much closer to his classic design than the XIV version, sure, but it's still a way off from the school uniform)

While those are good points, the classic costumes aren't the defaults. The characters are represented by their default looks. And while I recognize both games are making changes, SFV's changes make the characters feel too different to me. KOF XV's changes feel nice enough that it comes off as a more proper evolution. It did right what KOF XIV did wrong.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2021, 05:49:34 AM
i don't personally understand the appeal of seeing the same designs for several decades straight.

i also dont see any "evolution" in the designs of XV, its just correcting (to a point) the awful gfx decisions they made.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 22, 2021, 06:03:26 AM
i don't personally understand the appeal of seeing the same designs for several decades straight.

i also dont see any "evolution" in the designs of XV, its just correcting (to a point) the awful gfx decisions they made.

It's a matter of preference I suppose. I honestly prefer how XV is handling it (aside from Shun'ei but that's old news) and I think it looks great.

But to each their own, you're entitled to your own opinion as much as I am mine. <3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on February 22, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
There's more to this than just "shaders" or graphics.

KOF XV is definitely showing a very clear direction in terms of design. The colors are purposefully saturated, meaning to be more vibrant to give a fresh look, and in my opinion, they're pulling it off very well. Whether it is the Hero/China stage with the Red columns contrasting the Blue backdrop, or the characters having dark/black garments to make the color accents more noticeable, you can totally tell there's a clear art direction. I LIKE THAT.

Well this is a super pleasant surprise. Excitement for this game has to be higher than ever especially for Chizuru mains.
I can confirm as a Chizuru enthusiast, 'tis a good time to be alive
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/52102be83a54ec5579f4828ddaa76ae2/tenor.gif?itemid=16153719)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on February 22, 2021, 05:40:15 PM
i don't personally understand the appeal of seeing the same designs for several decades straight.

i also dont see any "evolution" in the designs of XV, its just correcting (to a point) the awful gfx decisions they made.

It is rather funny if you really think about it.
Beni & Iori has relatively updated looks while Kyo and Chizuru look as if they're from KOF'96.

I would say though that XV is coming out so far so good.
I like the roster and that's what's important right now.

I just wish they could speed things up just a little bit more.

We only have two teams and it's been MONTHS.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on February 22, 2021, 05:49:25 PM
Well, a character per week means four characters per month. By the end of March we'll only have seen 12 characters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on February 22, 2021, 06:27:39 PM
Beni & Iori has relatively updated looks while Kyo and Chizuru look as if they're from KOF'96.
Kyo without his school uniform is still a big change from 96. The biker jacket is from 99 (the striker-only form, not the white jacket).
Either of these designs is way better than the K-pop hair from XIV that was a big departure from his recognizable hairstyle. Looking skinny as a stick didn't help. Now it looks like everyone is getting super buff with this art style, it's not perfect but I'll live with it better than the XIV style (I just hope the Ikari Warriors won't be back to the giant bubbling meat blobs from XII-XIII).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 22, 2021, 06:54:55 PM
What is K-Pop about XIV Kyo's hair? It's literally just hair with nothing special about it. People just love bitching about K-Pop every opportunity they have, even if they have to invent an excuse.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 22, 2021, 08:34:40 PM
After watching SFV Dan's trailer, I feel what I didn't liked in KOF14 and still don't really like in 15.
Visually, I mean... (character models, body proportions, animations/interpolation between Key frames...)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 22, 2021, 10:42:15 PM
What is K-Pop about XIV Kyo's hair? It's literally just hair with nothing special about it. People just love bitching about K-Pop every opportunity they have, even if they have to invent an excuse.

his design in 14 was inspired from popular trendy styles in china. even the over all look of the characters were slimed down to fit in the current trend.

btw i've been watching trailers and it seems like they'll have jiggle physics present for certain characters like leona but not on mai.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 23, 2021, 03:44:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu4Ei7rUUAApQ8C?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 23, 2021, 03:48:04 AM
.... really? That's all they have to say?

They had more to say about Shun'ei and Meitenkun's friendship than about Chizuru's hype ass return?

What the hell, SNK?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on February 23, 2021, 05:41:12 AM
Even people at SNK are mad at Chizuru for killing Joe/Iori/Kyo. Team What Could've Been :V

Real talk though, that is kind of fair. Compared to everyone else who's been redesigned, Chizuru does seem to have the least amount of changes to her own outfit. Those little blurb things have always been specifically talking about the characters new looks and stuff and with Chizuru not being too terribly different, it kind of makes sense.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 23, 2021, 05:42:23 AM
Tbh I'm glad her design is very much the same because of her long absence. It would be INSANELY jarring if she had a huge redesign after 18 years of not being playable.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Jmorphman on February 23, 2021, 07:14:36 AM
After watching SFV Dan's trailer, I feel what I didn't liked in KOF14 and still don't really like in 15.
Visually, I mean... (character models, body proportions, animations/interpolation between Key frames...)
I've really not been a fan of how weightless and lacking in impact the animations in both XIV and XV have been, but honestly, Chizuru's QCFx2 + k super in that trailer was one of the most shockingly inept and empty moves I've ever seen in a fighting game. Like, there wasn't even hitpause on any of the hits! Really disappointing stuff. :(
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 23, 2021, 09:28:04 AM
Yeah, the animations are lifeless
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on February 23, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
All the old Neo Geo Kof game me "great" feelings. (in the art part)
with KOF 12/13 I was so impressed!

Then they went 3D, like 99,9% of them now.
But their work in 3D is OK, but not "great".

Also, this is why I compared to how Dan looks full of life in SFV.

I'm glad KOF still exists, but just like the mobile games taking more and more from that licence, I feel KOF is not a priority for me anymore.
Even games like SoulCalibur or DOA looks better.

Again, KOF15 looks good, but not great. SNK used to make great looking games.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on February 23, 2021, 12:21:18 PM
All the old Neo Geo Kof game me "great" feelings. (in the art part)
with KOF 12/13 I was so impressed!

Then they went 3D, like 99,9% of them now.
But their work in 3D is OK, but not "great".

Also, this is why I compared to how Dan looks full of life in SFV.

I'm glad KOF still exists, but just like the mobile games taking more and more from that licence, I feel KOF is not a priority for me anymore.
Even games like SoulCalibur or DOA looks better.

Again, KOF15 looks good, but not great. SNK used to make great looking games.

I get this where you are coming from, the charm old game and nostalgia. I remember watching a video about guy talking animation regarding Kim Kaphwan and was critical of the 3D take in KOF XIV. The animations are not breathtaking or over the top, even I noticed a bit of issue in the last two trailers but I'm looking forward for two reasons like I had with KOF XIV, story and soundtrack. Maybe one day there will be KOF game that feels fluid and alive with animation, framerate etc. Yeah mobile titles are thing with SNK for a while but I am still hopeful for things to turn around optimistically.

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Also, this is why I compared to how Dan looks full of life in SFV.
CAPCOM is vastly different from SNK and given the company's situation it is ambiguous to know when they are able to deliver at 1000%. I mean when they got Resident Evil and Devil May Cry, who know if Street Fighter 6 will join in their graphics then the standard will be elevated to few more degrees.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 23, 2021, 05:34:22 PM
After watching SFV Dan's trailer, I feel what I didn't liked in KOF14 and still don't really like in 15.
Visually, I mean... (character models, body proportions, animations/interpolation between Key frames...)
I've really not been a fan of how weightless and lacking in impact the animations in both XIV and XV have been, but honestly, Chizuru's QCFx2 + k super in that trailer was one of the most shockingly inept and empty moves I've ever seen in a fighting game. Like, there wasn't even hitpause on any of the hits! Really disappointing stuff. :(

i understand what you mean , but i still consider this as an improvement to 14.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 23, 2021, 07:06:21 PM
.... really? That's all they have to say?

They had more to say about Shun'ei and Meitenkun's friendship than about Chizuru's hype ass return?

What the hell, SNK?

I believe they're hiding stuff about Chizuru. :v

but honestly, Chizuru's QCFx2 + k super in that trailer was one of the most shockingly inept and empty moves I've ever seen in a fighting game. Like, there wasn't even hitpause on any of the hits! Really disappointing stuff. :(

Her "Sanrai No Fujin" indeed doesn't look good at all, specially the envshake on it. Such a mess.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on February 25, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
 :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 25, 2021, 02:25:05 PM
This theme is like they mixed up Fairy and New Order. I like it. :)

Also, new reveal will be only next week.
Title: KOF XV will have rollback
Post by: walt on February 26, 2021, 06:21:04 PM
The magic word has been uttered. Maybe Twitter can relax their shit now and let us enjoy the trailers

(https://i.imgur.com/1w3YTw1.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on February 26, 2021, 07:37:40 PM
its not so much a magic word as somethign that should be expected at this point
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on February 27, 2021, 12:20:52 AM
They're also wording it as if it's not a guarantee as well which is kind of a red flag.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on February 27, 2021, 12:53:40 AM
The magic word has been uttered. Maybe Twitter can relax their shit now and let us enjoy the trailers

(https://i.imgur.com/1w3YTw1.png)

yes.! guilty and kof with rollback :D the future is getting right :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 27, 2021, 05:15:49 AM
Finally Oda talked about that!

I really hope that SNK won't messed up with the online stuff like what happend on XIV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on February 27, 2021, 05:19:10 AM
I hope it's not an empty promise! The wording is really weird but... it's hype that they're aiming for it at least. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: kamui 2.0 on February 28, 2021, 09:37:47 PM
I don't have kof 14, but I saw some online matches, doesn't seem to have a big problem
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on March 02, 2021, 04:04:12 AM
.....
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on March 02, 2021, 04:56:08 AM
.....
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfPkFx6OotY[/youtube]

Just the three of them, groovin' to the music the only way they know how.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 02, 2021, 09:03:40 AM
guessing it's ikari warriors next.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 02, 2021, 05:54:27 PM
I dunno... if they've shown Joe, it could well be Terry or Andy, although Leona was shown, wasn't she?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 04, 2021, 03:06:47 AM


To the surprise of no one.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 04, 2021, 03:18:23 AM
yes.! this what I was talking about.! my expectations were completed :)  snk took care more with andy than Chizuru :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 04, 2021, 03:21:16 AM
Daaaaaaaamn, Andy looks fuckin' hot. Love to see it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 04, 2021, 03:24:59 AM
So Tree next week then.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 04, 2021, 03:26:53 AM
Andy pretty. Expectations not shattered whatsoever though. Looks like we're getting the standard FF Team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 04, 2021, 03:29:03 AM
I like how they show Mai in the trailer, even though she was not yet confirmed. Like "you guys know Mai is in, who cares".
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShiroTori on March 04, 2021, 03:39:34 AM
She was in the reveal trailer, we knew for a while now.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 04, 2021, 03:45:54 AM
Plot twist.

Next week is Yamazaki.

I'm fine with the standard FF team but hey I'll take another formula break.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 04, 2021, 03:54:26 AM
Plot twist.

Next week is Yamazaki.

I'm fine with the standard FF team but hey I'll take another formula break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkfWYCq9Oo
yamasaki moveset in KO14 looks dam good but his art style was really baaad so cant wait for his trailer  to see what kof15 did about it
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 04, 2021, 04:34:46 AM
Plot twist.

Next week is Yamazaki.

I'm fine with the standard FF team but hey I'll take another formula break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkfWYCq9Oo
yamasaki moveset in KO14 looks dam good but his art style was really baaad so cant wait for his trailer  to see what kof15 did about it

I was joking about him being next I hope you know lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 04, 2021, 04:49:52 AM
Plot twist.

Next week is Yamazaki.

I'm fine with the standard FF team but hey I'll take another formula break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkfWYCq9Oo
yamasaki moveset in KO14 looks dam good but his art style was really baaad so cant wait for his trailer  to see what kof15 did about it

I was joking about him being next I hope you know lol

.xD no matter
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 04, 2021, 05:24:18 AM
She was in the reveal trailer, we knew for a while now.

And her face is slightly better now than the reveal trailer when her face was really strange.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9emZnl4_k[/youtube]

To the surprise of no one.

Also his moveset... Oh boy... :/
They literally copy and paste Andy's KOF XIII and XIV. I know that some of his design specially his face looks WAY better now but c'mon SNK!
Why still with that lame Climax already!?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on March 04, 2021, 06:10:05 AM
I do miss his moves from 96,97,99-2002. I liked the strong, qcb one used since Real Bout.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on March 04, 2021, 07:54:11 AM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9emZnl4_k[/youtube]

To the surprise of no one.
crossing finger for Andy,Mai,Eiji kisaragi/bandeiras hattori = Team Ninja and Joe,Kuan(Joe's apprentice)/king and Hwai = Team Muay Thai  :nuttrox:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 04, 2021, 09:53:27 AM
Andy is actually freaking HANDSOME !
Nice progress compared to the early characters.
I like how they modelised the clothes...

OK, Mai seems to have been updated as well just like I thought earlier. I like her figure.
But sorry Mai, Andy is definitely hotter than you...


This kind of upgrade on rendering meke me want to see my babies Shermie and Angel the later possible ^^;
Even if I hate this idea. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 04, 2021, 12:17:03 PM
So, my Main is IN! Moveslist wise, Andy is the same as he was in XIV with just one addition that I've noticed. We get shown that he can Brake the KuHaDan at the start as before, but now he can seem to do it mid air to extend combos?  This should be fun! :)

Also, before I forget... yay! PASTA! Loved this theme since FF2.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on March 05, 2021, 02:30:31 AM
Holy shite, Andy looks handsome as heck!

Now, to me, Andy was a pretty bland design, but just like Joe, this is epic. I'm actually hyped to give Andy another try!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Urrnge on March 05, 2021, 03:55:47 AM
I never liked Andy, but goddamn he actually looks cool now.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 05, 2021, 05:25:51 AM
I didnt know Andy looked like this in Kof14.xD
(https://i.ibb.co/FwvxDt2/wow.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 05, 2021, 05:31:36 AM
I gotta take up Max's stance on aggressively defending the XV art style lol

Such a step up from XIV. And GOD Andy is fucking hot.
Title: KOFXV alternative costumes
Post by: videoman on March 06, 2021, 02:49:59 PM
I don't expect every character to have one but if they do I would like them to match their personality instead of being random, unoriginal, or cosplaying a potential character that can be added to the game please don't do that. It makes gamers feel that you're getting ripped off. (I'm talking about you SFV) The ones they made in KOFIV were ok and they should look for.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 11, 2021, 03:22:06 AM

Why are her hands so big?

and also, that slap animation... SMH
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 11, 2021, 04:45:28 AM
I'm just glad she finally gets her long hair back.  Her XIV look was weird, much like a chunk of the cast.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 11, 2021, 06:06:28 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev7Coy6U8AELn95?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 11, 2021, 08:32:43 AM
Yuri looks pretty OK, this is a good thing.
What I see.

-She seems to be "slightly" more "athletic" (I can be wrong here...)
-Yes, her hands are a bit big. ^^;
-Her braid is back, but they kind of kept the KOFXIV haircut (the result is really strange to me)
-Her move list doesn't seem to have much new stuff (A LOT seems to be recycled from XIV)
-I hope her super move is not a freaking single "Chou Upper."

We'll wait and see.
I think overall, the game goes in a good direction even if if I don't agree with all the choices. ^^;

Damn, this Andy artwork is so hot...

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on March 11, 2021, 02:18:26 PM
It is good to see that the physics of the clothes improved a lot, in kof XIV it looked like plastic xD, it will be noticed much more when they show Kim
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 11, 2021, 06:21:21 PM
So they basically recycled most of XIV's motions and slapped on a prettier face with some better physics.

This is getting more disappointing than expected...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 11, 2021, 06:50:02 PM
That's what every single video showed since Shun'ei. The guy with the Yuri video did the same for everyone. Everything is copy-pasted on new models.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on March 11, 2021, 07:00:19 PM
its not like reusing anims is a bad thing. if it allows for a more varied roster down the line im game. reusing assets is kind of the norm with snk as it is.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 11, 2021, 07:12:33 PM
You could say it is an expectation with them, yes, framedata stay as they are for years. I wouldn't be half as irritated about it if they hadn't made that the whole tagline, and it'll be that way until we see actual new content (characters or movesets). They could show at least some hints that they did make new things. Even just a silhouette if the models or effects aren't ready, instead of things we've already seen...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on March 11, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
thats fair, i suppose its just a waiting game at this point since im fully confident snk will bring some really cool newcomers
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 11, 2021, 08:07:23 PM
The only complaint I have is that they're not even trying to hide the bad parts anymore.

In XIV's trailers you'd always see: "Work is still in progress." or smth to give people hope.
Now, it's "Here you go and don't expect anything better"
Shatter all expectations, YEP.

IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS!!!
I really hoped for an improvement for XV, but SNK's 3D jinx is never going to fade away I guess.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 11, 2021, 08:13:20 PM
So they basically recycled most of XIV's motions and slapped on a prettier face with some better physics.
So they basically fixed the main problem with XIV. Well, that, and also rollback.

It's a very competent an serviceable game with a large roster that simply looked bad and put people off. Now it will look good and maybe audiences will have an easier time getting into it.

I don't exactly see what's rubbing you the wrong way, the animations are ok, if it isn't broken don't fix it, amirite?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 11, 2021, 08:25:42 PM
I really liked SNK's 2D.
Sure, now it seems harder for them to make something looking good. (models and animation)
(I will not talk about gameplay here, because it was still very good in XIV)

Sure, there is a lot of improvement, but the way they tell us "shatter all expectations" etc.
And the fact SNK in most of our minds means quality at all levels, visual, style and gameplay + music etc.

Now, the game looks pretty good! defininitely, but not what I would expect from SNK.
SNK was craziness. This game is pretty OK.

Oh, one good thing they did about Yuri, beside of making her slighly more "fit" is the ball/orb of her haircut.
In the previous game, it seemed to be too small and too high on her skull. Now, it's good size and good position.
But it's just details.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on March 11, 2021, 08:44:18 PM
I don't think theres anything wrong with being annoyed that there is literally no innovation. Why should we be happy with a reskin of the last game being sold for probably 60 to 70 dollars
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 11, 2021, 10:14:20 PM
Hardly a "re-skin" when they've ported their previous game to a new engine, and in the process remodelling all the characters, textures, NETCODE, adding new artwork, new music, new effects, new game mechanics and new story. The KOF franchise is all about iteration, that's how we've come to have 15 games with up to 60+ characters.

I'm super on board with how the game looks now, and I'll be buying it day one.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 11, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
i understand both sides but i do wish they added new moves at least a new unique normals or specials just like back in the day.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 11, 2021, 10:54:23 PM
i understand both sides but i do wish they added new moves at least a new unique normals or specials just like back in the day.

^^
THIS!

Good point is that the graphic improvement it's sharp. Yuri details on her design is WAY better than XIV.
The visual effects (Hit sparks, FX) are better from the previous trailers. And that Pao Pao Cafe stage (that is clearly the same from FF3) looks amazing.

Bad point is that yeah, about skills is indeed copy paste from KOF XIV. Kyo and Iori got very few changes, specially on their Climax moves.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on March 11, 2021, 11:03:45 PM
Hardly a "re-skin" when they've ported their previous game to a new engine, and in the process remodelling all the characters, textures, NETCODE, adding new artwork, new music, new effects, new game mechanics and new story. The KOF franchise is all about iteration, that's how we've come to have 15 games with up to 60+ characters.

I'm super on board with how the game looks now, and I'll be buying it day one.

Thats the point- the game is looking less of a sequel and moreso a "port," but charged at the price of an entirely new game. Between SF4 and SF5 we didn't just get "port" level changes to existing characters, we got entire overhauls (or significant updates) not just in graphics but in the core gameplay and identities of the characters. There's no discounting all the hard work that goes into creating new content like music, story and artwork. But the question is whether this has grown stagnant and uninspired on a gameplay level, and for me it really seems to be trending in that direction. I agree that the game LOOKS better, but if the game just needed to look better for me to judge it as a worthy entry in the series or even just worthy as a sequel/update then a lot of mediocre games would be getting rave reviews. I hope to be proven wrong by new mechanics or something, but theres only so much you can slap on top of the characters themselves in a fighting game. I wanted new moves or something, maybe even some gameplay entirely like in the case of Seth in the SF series. Its becoming less "iteration" and more "copy paste" this many games into the series.
Title: Pao Pao Cafe cameos
Post by: videoman on March 11, 2021, 11:09:15 PM
(https://i.redd.it/272hay18oem61.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on March 11, 2021, 11:16:24 PM
Thats the point- the game is looking less of a sequel and moreso a "port," but charged at the price of an entirely new game. Between SF4 and SF5 we didn't just get "port" level changes to existing characters, we got entire overhauls (or significant updates) not just in graphics but in the core gameplay and identities of the characters. There's no discounting all the hard work that goes into creating new content like music, story and artwork. But the question is whether this has grown stagnant and uninspired on a gameplay level, and for me it really seems to be trending in that direction. I agree that the game LOOKS better, but if the game just needed to look better for me to judge it as a worthy entry in the series or even just worthy as a sequel/update then a lot of mediocre games would be getting rave reviews. I hope to be proven wrong by new mechanics or something, but theres only so much you can slap on top of the characters themselves in a fighting game. I wanted new moves or something, maybe even some gameplay entirely like in the case of Seth in the SF series. Its becoming less "iteration" and more "copy paste" this many games into the series.

I think it's gonna be like that for a long time. SNK needs to do something new with its core gameplay, fundamentals and a shift in its target market.

If only this played more like KOF:MIRA I would buy this as its gameplay is friendly for everyone. I still remember bringing KOF:MIRA at the office and everyone loved it even the Tekken purists and I live in Tekken country (now its Mobile Legends country).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 11, 2021, 11:18:45 PM
Yes, some reference to World Heroes of ADK.
Nearly impossible I think, but it gives me small hopes to see Kisarah joining the game. ^^

So, neither Bob or Richard have chances to join the main roster.
Unless they make some interactive stage and remove the character if t's a player.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 11, 2021, 11:39:48 PM
If only this played more like KOF:MIRA I would buy this as its gameplay is friendly for everyone. I still remember bringing KOF:MIRA at the office and everyone loved it even the Tekken purists and I live in Tekken country (now its Mobile Legends country).
As much as I like KOF MI, I understand it would be impossible to move in that weird Tekken dial-a-combo gameplay direction. Moreover, KOF XIV has easy mode combos, so that should be covered?

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on March 11, 2021, 11:57:05 PM
As much as I like KOF MI, I understand it would be impossible to move in that weird Tekken dial-a-combo gameplay direction. Moreover, KOF XIV has easy mode combos, so that should be covered?

Honestly, I haven't bought KOF14. :sweatdrop:

Have they made jump in combo noob friendly?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 11, 2021, 11:58:16 PM
Honestly, I haven't bought KOF14. :sweatdrop:

Have they made jump in combo noob friendly?
1 button mash combo with Special ender, or DM if you have 1 bar, yes. Friendly AF.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 12:00:13 AM
We're nearing the end of the first quarter of 2021 and we only have:

Chizuru's appearance made me happy for like a week and it quickly wore off.
After realizing how slow, tedious and underwhelming a lot of the content has been so far, my disappointment is immeasurable.

They had 5 years to work on it, but it looks like the work of 2 or maybe 3 years tops.
That's over 700 days being wasted.

If that's their capacity and limitation, then they should just stop digging their own graves since the gaming industry evolves rather quickly.
I know they're not Capcom, Bamco or even NetherRealm, but Jesus at least look as if it's a 2021 game not 2017.

What happened to Unreal Engine 4?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's far from the catastrophe you make it to be.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 12:41:39 AM
I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's far from the catastrophe you make it to be.

I'm just sad to see such a delightful franchise becoming more of a joke to the fighting game community.

I recently saw MainManSWE's reaction towards one of the teasers and his reaction was so demeaning that it made me mad how much KOF has become a meme at this point.
XV was going to be such a great chance for SNK to turn themselves around, but so far I'm not too impressed.

I'll just have to wait and see the final results.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 12, 2021, 12:49:54 AM
I don't understand the "it's 2021 not 2017". 4 years aren't a big deal, the technology didn't make such a massive leap forward that you'd be able to tell from graphics unless 2021 means you were somehow expecting next gen tech. A game with SamSho's visual tech, middle-of-the-generation tech, is completely fine, you don't need a game that is this year's absolute latest top tech (it's 2021 sure but it's only March, man).

The problem with SNK is that they've never been able to do any proper marketing to save their lives. Starting with an opener like "shatter all expectations", "The King of Fighters 15 will be a 'supreme masterpiece' for the series", then doing 2 months of weekly videos that show the exact same game that we've seen a few years ago "except now we learned to make pretty 3D", please tell whoever came up with that strategy to stop doing any marketing already. Just wait 3 months and make one video showing "hey look, we learned how to make 3D, here's a comparison with XIV for all these characters at once, see the progress we've made" instead of trying to stir up a weekly hype with videos showing in great details how you changed nothing at all.
One reveal for the Sacred Treasures (revealing new graphics, new outfits, new character, new effects, and a legendary team-up), then a couple months later a bunch of characters at once showing the graphic evolution for everyone (no need to showcase everyone's entire moveset if it's exactly the same as 14), that would be how to build the hype. The weekly trickle of showing absolutely no change, one character at a time, is just hammering that nothing changed, it's the opposite of building hype.

This is not KoF becoming "more of a joke" in the gaming community, this is just not happening. I don't know how long you've been following them but they've never been able to properly market their flagship game, ever. Did you even see how it went when they revealed 14, when the entire gaming community absolutely trashed the graphic style to hell and back ? This is not new.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 01:13:12 AM
I recently saw MainManSWE's reaction towards one of the teasers and his reaction was so demeaning that it made me mad how much KOF has become a meme at this point.

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and every game has its faults.

Street Fighter 5 being one of the best selling games from the past years hasn't redeemed it of having shitty netcode, even if it it's actual rollback (I have a lengthy list of things why I haven't supported this game since day 1). Guity Gear even having the best looking graphics is still relatively obscure and not widely played because many consider it daunting to get into. KOF XIII albeit being the best thing SNK has put out in years was criticized for using Hi-Res pixel art and "being too anime". And MVCI having the hottest property, Marvel Superheroes at their freaking MCU Historical peak, sold peanuts and it's shunned by mostly everyone because it didn't include the X-Men.

But a Tekken Youtuber being your thermometer to base what you feel about a different type of fighting game (yeah, 3D Fighters like Tekken, DOA, Virtua are their own thing) even when he confesses he doesn't even know the lore or characters, well, I'm not sure it's a great idea.

Let's face it, Fighting Games are sort of a dying genre, or considerably small when compared to other genres selling in the millions, whether it's Sports Games, or Shooters, or the freaking single player open world graphics ARMS RACE, Fighting games actually require an investment of your time to be enjoyable at all because they're meant to be competitive.

A friend of mine applied to get into SNK, they're basically just offering entry level and intern positions. They never truly recovered from the bankruptcy thing, and having their games be considered second class products by Sony and forcing them to sell them in packages of 2, we gotta face it, they're far from Triple A devs and are actually closer to Indie Devs. While Capcom is dipping their toes in Face Scanning and paying off actors to use their likeness, and outsourcing 3D models (which results in inconsistent designs in SF5, which rubs me the wrong way, mind you) and have several teams holding up their financials pumping out new Resident Evil and Monster Hunter and Megaman games, all SNK has is in-house development and licensing their IP for free to play mobile games.

My expectations are not shattered, they're adjusted. I understand what's going on with them, and I know what to expect. I know their products may not be on par with Triple A Devs like Capcom and Bandai Namco, but at least they're still around, to whatever financial viability they can be. And that's OK for me. The games still play well, the lore continues to move forward, and the long time fans from all over the world are expecting the new installment to devour the experience, the lore, the storytelling, the kick ass soundtrack.

Maybe it has become a niche thing *shrugs*
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 02:20:44 AM
I don't understand the "it's 2021 not 2017". 4 years aren't a big deal, the technology didn't make such a massive leap forward that you'd be able to tell from graphics unless 2021 means you were somehow expecting next gen tech. A game with SamSho's visual tech, middle-of-the-generation tech, is completely fine, you don't need a game that is this year's absolute latest top tech (it's 2021 sure but it's only March, man).

The problem with SNK is that they've never been able to do any proper marketing to save their lives. Starting with an opener like "shatter all expectations", "The King of Fighters 15 will be a 'supreme masterpiece' for the series", then doing 2 months of weekly videos that show the exact same game that we've seen a few years ago "except now we learned to make pretty 3D", please tell whoever came up with that strategy to stop doing any marketing already. Just wait 3 months and make one video showing "hey look, we learned how to make 3D, here's a comparison with XIV for all these characters at once, see the progress we've made" instead of trying to stir up a weekly hype with videos showing in great details how you changed nothing at all.
One reveal for the Sacred Treasures (revealing new graphics, new outfits, new character, new effects, and a legendary team-up), then a couple months later a bunch of characters at once showing the graphic evolution for everyone (no need to showcase everyone's entire moveset if it's exactly the same as 14), that would be how to build the hype. The weekly trickle of showing absolutely no change, one character at a time, is just hammering that nothing changed, it's the opposite of building hype.

This is not KoF becoming "more of a joke" in the gaming community, this is just not happening. I don't know how long you've been following them but they've never been able to properly market their flagship game, ever. Did you even see how it went when they revealed 14, when the entire gaming community absolutely trashed the graphic style to hell and back ? This is not new.

Let me elaborate more on my points:

<2021 not 2017 graphics>
I meant in the sense that KOF XIV's graphics (despite being released in 2016) was closer to a PS3 game than a PS4 one. That would mean it was a a whole generation of console behind its competitors.

You also state that 4 years is not much, but it's actually the opposite.
Mortal Kombat is an excellent example of this.
MKX was released in 2015 while MK11 was released in 2019.
Here's the graphical comparison:

You can tell that if a company has the mind to it, they can vastly improve a game's graphics within 4 years. And NetherRealm is NOT a triple A company like Capcom or Bamco.

<KOF becoming a joke is a myth>
Tell that to the Japanese, Chinese and Korean players who were the pioneers of KOF's glory days.
A twitch streamer I enjoy watching has been playing SNK games for 30+ years and does it for a living + bought thousands of dollars of SNK's stocks through KOSDAQ and even he stated that the franchise's future looked grim.

Also, If you search on twitter and look at many of the reactions made by these people, you see them mocking the franchise as "dead" or being "irrelevant". They don't take the game seriously anymore as they used to unlike KOF'98 or KOF'02.

Sure, SNK's marketing is a problem but KOF: ALL STAR was a massive hit around the world and it wasn't due to some success at the marketing department at Netmarble, it was the franchise's nostalgic elements that sold the game.
At least KOF XIII looked visually pleasing and one of the main reasons why it did so well was thanks to its clean aesthetics and smooth gameplay.

Marketing only improves one's sales, but trying to wrap garbage with wrapping paper doesn't make the garbage any more presentable.
It should only be blamed if a game is perfectly good, but it financially did terrible which KOF XIV (and maybe KOF XV) was not.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 02:32:37 AM
And NetherRealm is NOT a triple A company like Capcom or Bamco.
whatwhatWHAAAAT? Warner Bros' pockets are  probably deeper than both of those guys for sure

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 02:34:37 AM
And NetherRealm is NOT a triple A company like Capcom or Bamco.
whatwhatWHAAAAT? Warner Bros' pockets are  probably deeper than both of those guys for sure



Oh come one.
Just because a parent company is rich, doesn't mean the studio is.

SNK is owned by 37Games and you don't see them getting any richer now do you?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 12, 2021, 02:35:09 AM
You also state that 4 years is not much, but it's actually the opposite.
Mortal Kombat is an excellent example of this.
MKX was released in 2015 while MK11 was released in 2019.
Here's the graphical comparison:
None of that is relevant. Do graphics evolve as an entire generation of console passes ? Of course. Does that mean that a middle-gen game shouldn't come out at the end of the gen ? What the fuck of course not. There's nothing wrong with a middle-gen-tech game coming out at the end of the generation. Who the fuck cares that other companies can transform how a game looks over a generation if they keep pouring money into it.
"NRS is not an AAA company" lol yeah right have you not heard of Warner Bros who have been bankrolling the game since they bought NRS.
Just because a parent company is rich, doesn't mean the studio is.
The parent company being rich doesn't mean the studio is rich, but if the studio has an open line to the parent company's bank vault it absolutely does mean the studio is rich. This is not the case for SNK.

Also, If you search on twitter and look at many of the reactions made by these people, you see them mocking the franchise as "dead" or being "irrelevant". They don't take the game seriously anymore as they used to unlike KOF'98 or KOF'02.
The franchise died in 2001, then in 2002, then in 2006, then after XIII. Anyone who claims that XV existing means the franchise is dead is just plain out of touch with reality.

Sure, SNK's marketing is a problem but KOF: ALL STAR was a massive hit around the world and it wasn't due to some success at the marketing department at Netmarble, it was the franchise's nostalgic elements that sold the game.
Evidence of the contrary : there are other KoF mobile games. They don't do well. And you barely know they exist.
Netmarble has had franchises like Marvel and Seven Deadly Sins and a bunch of other massive IPs, they know how to advertise their shit. I wouldn't have touched KoFAS if it had been made by Tencent.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 02:35:20 AM
I meant in the sense that KOF XIV's graphics (despite being released in 2016) was closer to a PS3 game than a PS4 one.
That would mean it was a a whole generation of console behind its competitors.
Can't argue with this, it's true. SNK made a pixel art game when Capcom put SF4 out, and now it's making a SF4-looking game when SF5 exists.

And that's O.K.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 02:41:58 AM
You also state that 4 years is not much, but it's actually the opposite.
Mortal Kombat is an excellent example of this.
MKX was released in 2015 while MK11 was released in 2019.
Here's the graphical comparison:
None of that is relevant. Do graphics evolve as an entire generation of console passes ? Of course. Does that mean that a middle-gen game shouldn't come out at the end of the gen ? What the fuck of course not. There's nothing wrong with a middle-gen-tech game coming out at the end of the generation. Who the fuck cares that other companies can transform how a game looks over a generation if they keep pouring money into it.
"NRS is not an AAA company" lol yeah right have you not heard of Warner Bros who have been bankrolling the game since they bought NRS.

Also, If you search on twitter and look at many of the reactions made by these people, you see them mocking the franchise as "dead" or being "irrelevant". They don't take the game seriously anymore as they used to unlike KOF'98 or KOF'02.
The franchise died in 2001, then in 2002, then in 2006, then after XIII. Anyone who claims that XV existing means the franchise is dead don't seem to understand a thing about how the world works.

Like I said, NRS is only backed by Warner Bros (a monster of a company) but that doesn't mean the company itself is Triple A.
It's on its way, but it sure ain't close enough to be even considered a "Triple A"

To your point regarding graphics.
Yes, graphics shouldn't be the medium on deciding whether a game has good qualities or not.
World of Warcraft is a great example, sure.

But you also need to realize that games like KOF have always been the laughing stock of 3D modelling.
KOF MI was mediocre at best and XIV was tragic.

They look tacky and yeah some people may enjoy the more retro perspective of visual art, but with other fighting games such as SF, Tekken, MK, SoulCalibur, Injustice, Guilty Gear, Blazblue dominating the market, I just don't understand why SNK still forces itself to compete with them.

They should've stayed doing 2D sprite work than doing 3D.

Trying to save a few cents is starting to bite them in the ass.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 02:44:53 AM
They look tacky and yeah some people may enjoy the more retro perspective of visual art, but with other fighting games such as SF, Tekken, MK, SoulCalibur, Injustice, Guilty Gear, Blazblue dominating the market, I just don't understand why SNK still forces itself to compete with them.
hahahaha

Because it's a free world and they're still making money man!

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 12, 2021, 02:48:25 AM
Like I said, NRS is only backed by Warner Bros (a monster of a company) but that doesn't mean the company itself is Triple A.
And like I said, NRS being backed by WB doesn't mean that it is an AAA company, but that doesn't stop NRS from being an AAA company anyway because of the money WB pours into it. Stop talking in hypothetical. NRS and MK are massive names nowadays, it's absolutely an AAA franchise, it's easily on the level of Street Fighter for the public at large since the last couple of games.

KoFMI doesn't count. XIV was their first 3D game.
And 2D hasn't sold shit in years (not at the levels of SF and MK and Tekken), especially for the amount of work it represents now compared to 3D. Last time they tried that, they ran out of money in the middle of the game and got XII out and then XIII was "XII if we hadn't ran out of money last year". 15 is "here's 14 again now that we learned how to do 3D".
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 02:48:32 AM
They look tacky and yeah some people may enjoy the more retro perspective of visual art, but with other fighting games such as SF, Tekken, MK, SoulCalibur, Injustice, Guilty Gear, Blazblue dominating the market, I just don't understand why SNK still forces itself to compete with them.
hahahaha

Because it's a free world and they're still making money man!

I mean, hopefully man.

I'm no SNK-hater. Just wanted to make that clear.
I make only SNK characters in MUGEN for god's sake.

My frustration is based on something so minimal and basic yet it takes so long for SNK to satisfy it.

On the bright side, I enjoyed XIV's gameplay.
Hopefully XV shares that at least.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Jmorphman on March 12, 2021, 02:53:24 AM
Can't argue with this, it's true. SNK made a pixel art game when Capcom put SF4 out, and now it's making a SF4-looking game when SF5 exists.

And that's O.K.
I dunno, I think XV's overall aesthetic is way better than SFIV (and SFxTK, for that matter), no question. It's a massive improvement compared to XIV, which I still wouldn't describe as looking like a PS3 game either!

Certain animations and the lack of "oomph" in any and all hits still unfortunately don't feel up to par with SFIV, though. And I'd say that's the most important part.

I don't understand the "it's 2021 not 2017". 4 years aren't a big deal, the technology didn't make such a massive leap forward that you'd be able to tell from graphics unless 2021 means you were somehow expecting next gen tech. A game with SamSho's visual tech, middle-of-the-generation tech, is completely fine, you don't need a game that is this year's absolute latest top tech (it's 2021 sure but it's only March, man).
100%. So many problems in the industry are caused by the graphics of AAA level games being the bare minimum of what is considered acceptable by mainstream audiences, and so every studio is out killing themselves to provide comparable or better visuals.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 02:54:12 AM
Like I said, NRS is only backed by Warner Bros (a monster of a company) but that doesn't mean the company itself is Triple A.
And like I said, NRS being backed by WB doesn't mean that it is an AAA company, but that doesn't stop NRS from being an AAA company anyway because of the money WB pours into it. Stop talking in hypothetical. NRS and MK are massive names nowadays, it's absolutely an AAA franchise, it's easily on the level of Street Fighter for the public at large since the last couple of games.

KoFMI doesn't count. XIV was their first 3D game.
And 2D hasn't sold shit in years (not at the levels of SF and MK and Tekken), especially for the amount of work it represents now compared to 3D. Last time they tried that, they ran out of money in the middle of the game and got XII out and then XIII was "XII if we hadn't ran out of money last year". 15 is "here's 14 again now that we learned how to do 3D".

Just wanted to point out that SNK tried doing multiple 3D games before. I dunno why you're giving MI a pass.

Maximum Impact series were developed and produced by SNK.
Sure it's not part of the main franchise, but it still is the works of SNK.

They had 3 games just with MI.
MI, MI2, MIA.

They also had a SamSho 3D game called Samurai Shodown: Edge of Destiny.
That was also a failure too.

So a total of FOUR 3D titles made by SNK all ending up in commercial failure while their most recent 2D game winning multiple awards for being one of the best games of the year.
Yet they thought it was smart to switch to 3D to save a few bucks.

Sad really...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 02:54:24 AM
Look man, check this one out, I promise you it's a good read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_XIV#Reception

The story it tells in restrospect is that the game made good money for SNK, that it was critically well received, and that it got criticism for looking ugly. They're fixing that, and KOF XV is on track to be what 13 was to 12. It will more than likely be a game to be played for years to come, I'm sure
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 12, 2021, 03:00:27 AM
Look man, check this one out, I promise you it's a good read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_XIV#Reception

The story it tells in restrospect is that the game made good money for SNK, that it was critically well received, and that it got criticism for looking ugly. They're fixing that, and KOF XV is on track to be what 13 was to 12. It will more than likely be a game to be played for years to come, I'm sure

Though I have my doubts, I totally agree.

SNK always has this weird love-hate relationship with me that they disappoint me in the very beginning yet satisfies me at the very last.
XII and XIII are great examples.

Let's hope XV or even the next game becomes that very game that redeems my love for the franchise again.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 12, 2021, 03:00:52 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot about SamSho Sen, that was their big jab at modern 3D and it bombed (there's also the two SS64 games and Warriors rage but that's too far back)

MI was made by Noise Factory then MI2 was the SNK Playmore era, which was a weird time. I'm pretty sure the current team (which is just the core SNK staff I think and none of the old satellite company like Noise Factory ?) doesn't have anything left from that period. XIV was starting over from scratch and it shows.

(with that being said, didn't SNK actually use to make 3D models and animate that before spriting over it even for the 2D period, at least in the later games ? They did have experience in doing rough models and animations, but not polishing it for commercial purpose, which, once again, shows in XIV, and some of the complex 2D anims in later games were clearly made over 3D animations)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 12, 2021, 03:08:53 AM
MI was made by Noise Factory then MI2 was the SNK Playmore era, which was a weird time. I'm pretty sure the current team (which is just the core SNK staff I think and none of the old satellite company like Noise Factory ?) doesn't have anything left from that period. XIV was starting over from scratch and it shows.
For sure a weird time. and KOF MI may not have been super successful, but those were some pretty fun and engaging games, and the soundtrack has all sorts of influences that made it very memorable. Particularly KOF MI2 is of my favorite KOFs ever.

And I agree with you that they have NOTHING to salvage from this 3D adventure almost 10 years apart coming into the dev cycle for XIV.

This is also an interesting read about budgets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_XIV#Engine

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 12, 2021, 05:34:25 AM
At least KOF XIII looked visually pleasing and one of the main reasons why it did so well was thanks to its clean aesthetics and smooth gameplay.

KoF XIII never did well. It (and by extension XII) was a financial disaster for SNK, they ran out of money while developing XII and had to release it in its obvious beta state just to be able to afford to finish the game. XIII took almost a decade to even pay itself, during which time SNK had to pump out pachinkos just to stay afloat.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 12, 2021, 06:30:03 AM
KOF never was a visual game like capcom always was so we have  good examples when capcom made Capcom vs SNK and SNK made SNK vs. Capcom pocket edition, well witch game will you buy first? if youve never played a snk game, of course the capcom's version so I think that wasn't good for the company in the future buyers, no matter how good your game is, it must be cool on visual contents too. that was the reason almost MK was gonna died but thanks good SNK are changing their mind with KOF15
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 12, 2021, 11:03:14 AM
Now THIS is the Yuri I know and love.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 12, 2021, 06:50:21 PM
The trickle of characters is kinda, meh... but hey, with the World being hit by the pandemic even companies like Capcom have had to adapt and adjust the releases of stuff.  Regardless, I'll happily buy XV on release. I do which the sound effects felt a bit meatier... but then, I went back to '94 for a bit and that still sounds pretty brutal. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 12, 2021, 07:09:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwPnVmyVIAIREB9?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 12, 2021, 07:12:30 PM
Well that's a better look than ever at how weird that haircut is lol. Short all over, except super long at the very bottom on the neck. I don't even know how it gets thick enough to braid.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Jmorphman on March 13, 2021, 12:05:01 AM
(with that being said, didn't SNK actually use to make 3D models and animate that before spriting over it even for the 2D period, at least in the later games ? They did have experience in doing rough models and animations, but not polishing it for commercial purpose, which, once again, shows in XIV, and some of the complex 2D anims in later games were clearly made over 3D animations)
I believe they started as early as the late 90s/early 00s with that method, but I'm not 100% sure about that. They definitely were using it intensely for XII/XIII, and even featured some behind the scenes details showing off both the process and some of the 3D models themselves.

I'm pretty sure they're still using at the very least some of the animations they developed for XIII too: Yuri's Chou Upper in XIV and XV looks identical to the specific (also very weird and pretty bad looking IMO) animation she had in XIII.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 13, 2021, 06:38:23 AM
lol i had a dream today , that snk released kof xiii UM , with updated roster , polished gameplay and new moves...

think we can get iori flameless as dlc in xv? and it seems yuri is with AOF team and not the women's team. kof is revealing the staples first like , kyo/iori , the hero team , AoF , FF and probably next will be the ikari team after AoF.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 13, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
Well that's a better look than ever at how weird that haircut is lol. Short all over, except super long at the very bottom on the neck. I don't even know how it gets thick enough to braid.

Yes ! Looks like they just stick a braid to the previous haircut without thinking much.
Even if the actual haircut looked better than the previous one, this braid confuse me a bit.
I hope a mod can remove it in the PC version ^^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Nexus Games on March 13, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
i thought i was the only one who thought her braid was just there like they just stuck a braid behind her head...they should of gave her...her old hair style back but this this graphic style and she could still keep the same costume in the trailer
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 13, 2021, 03:22:13 PM
The only thing that's kinda bugged me about Yuri is the stance she got in XII/XIII. It seems to have kinda been moved to XIV and XV and I dunno... it just seems like it's very bunched up and small compared to 94-XI. At least I suppose it's not as dramatic as Ryo's change of stance from 96' onwards, heh.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on March 13, 2021, 06:21:54 PM
back on the subject of "NRS/WB arent triple A studios"

dawg my girlfriend knows what MK11 is. She doesnt even know what a Gundam is.

I had to explain to her wtf KoF was as a franchise.

I heard two midwestern baby boomers go to each other "yeah yeah my grandson he uhhhhh been playin that mortal kombat game that came out."

 im very very very sure that makes NRS/WB games' stuff household names.


that is all.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on March 13, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
back on the subject of "NRS/WB arent triple A studios"

dawg my girlfriend knows what MK11 is. She doesnt even know what a Gundam is.

I had to explain to her wtf KoF was as a franchise.

I heard two midwestern baby boomers go to each other "yeah yeah my grandson he uhhhhh been playin that mortal kombat game that came out."

 im very very very sure that makes NRS/WB games' stuff household names.


that is all.

It helps Mortal Kombat is getting a new movie too.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 14, 2021, 12:07:33 AM
Definitely the other way around, the movie follows the game's success. Unless you think WB was planning all along to revive the movie franchise, and bankrolled the games just to boost the popularity of the future movies several years later. (tbf it's possible they had that in mind all along but they wouldn't have gone with it if the games failed) (I haven't checked but I'm assuming that the movie is at WB)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on March 18, 2021, 02:58:12 AM
:v terry is here
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 18, 2021, 03:01:46 AM
So I guess next week they'll show Robert then show a random character before Ryo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 18, 2021, 03:15:51 AM
The big surprise is bringing back Terry's classic attire rather than his KOFXIV duds.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on March 18, 2021, 03:44:11 AM
I was expecting the team to be something different like terry might be teaming up with some others else instead of andy and joe while andy and joe would be teaming up with some others as well  :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 18, 2021, 03:54:39 AM
I like the shark shop sign in the background. Also, sort of new Lvl. 3 super for Terry is pretty neat.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 18, 2021, 05:11:37 AM
Shatter all expectations

Yeah okay this has been Team Fatal Fury for 27 years with only like 1 or 2 exceptions





SNK stop playing it safe
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on March 18, 2021, 05:22:23 AM
im hype for all these new arrangements of classic themes.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 18, 2021, 05:48:17 AM
Terry being terry
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: senorfro on March 18, 2021, 07:25:00 AM
Terry' new lvl. 3 ends almost exactly like Yamazaki's did in 14
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 18, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
It's getting better every time.
This is a REAL trailer.

I hope they will not weaken their efforts.
I really hope Shermie (and her team) will be back. <3 <3 <3
Also, Rugal and many others...
Evenrything is possible
SNK, take your time, but make it well...

It was a good move to wait a bit to show Terry, so they took enough time to give him good appearance. (not like the characters of first teaser/trailer)
But not too late, so, they can "get attention" of Smash bros ppl As soon as possible.

I'm glad to see this team again, even if it shatter NOTHING...

Also, glad Terry go back to his own style, not the cool-wannabe look he had in 14.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 18, 2021, 11:14:13 AM
The effects on Andy's moves (hishouken, chou reppa dan) are changed already, the chou reppa dan still looks too watery but the hishouken is an improvement to the weird whirlpool from his trailer (still not great though).
edit - nevermind, the crd is the same and it seems the hishoukens in the Andy vid were all EX and the ones in the Terry trailer are not.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 18, 2021, 04:22:22 PM
I love Terry's model. The art direction is so clear, the colors are so vibrant and the characters are on their way to looking their best. I mean, Terry XV looks better than Smash Terry, which was previously the best he'd ever looked.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on March 18, 2021, 05:11:26 PM
Kinda underwhelming that they didn't evolve his design in any meaningful way. I really like how some of the characters feature more streamlined takes on their classic attire (like Kyo) but Terry just plays it safe.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 18, 2021, 05:58:25 PM
I'm actually glad that Terry is back to his old design. Power Dunk, Power Charge and Rising Tackle? I'm sold! Love the idea for his Climax Super, although it's a shame that Michael Max is in the background I'd like to see more old school characters joining in. Still, the Fatal Fury 2/Special sound bite was a nice touch before actually seeing the team in action.

It'd be nice if we started to see whole teams announced soon, a character per week is dragging it out a bit, lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 18, 2021, 08:05:52 PM
If SNK keeps following the current pattern for reveals, this is how I predict will be the reveal schedule for the next weeks:

*24/03: Robert Garcia
*31/03: Either Clark, Kula or King
*07/04: Ryo Sakazaki
*14/04: Either Ralf, Maxima or Mai, depending on who we got on the 31
*21/04: another random character, unrelated to the characters from the 31 and 14
*28/04: Either Leona, K' or whoever is the last member of the Women team, again depending on who we got on the 31 and 14
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 18, 2021, 09:32:58 PM
Wait... if Andy looks that good now, what on EARTH would Robert look like?? (Please, PLEASE ditch the XIV and NGBC looks, although I wouldn't mind his 2003 look!)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 19, 2021, 03:34:20 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwzrJm4UYAEj_jy?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 20, 2021, 02:36:34 AM
SNK plays safe by returning with the classic outfit for Terry. And damn, that new Climax looks amazing!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 20, 2021, 02:38:01 AM
SNK: Doesn't play it safe
Also SNK: Goes bankrupt twice

... in a way I kinda get why they're playing it super safe nowadays.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 20, 2021, 09:04:37 AM
What I want to know is when will they start to actually shatter expectations. So far, the only surprising thing they did was revealing Chizuru, which isn't that surprising.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 21, 2021, 01:22:27 AM
Then what exactly you expect?

They maybe are saving the better stuff for later. Just be patient.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 21, 2021, 01:28:18 AM
We may not be getting some big XV news until the next Japanese FG Roundtable and who knows when that'll be before the next major news in EVO Online.

Till then we're stuck with weekly trailers for the obvious reveals that are high on orange juices.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 21, 2021, 02:04:53 AM
I just think SNK is going about all this stuff way too slowly.

I'd kinda prefer if they began doing a team reveal a week, or if they can't do that, at least two reveals a week. This one-reveal-a-week (prioritizing characters we already have seen in XIV, minus Chizuru) is getting a bit... taxing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 21, 2021, 03:13:56 AM
Showing a single character each week allows them to program the game at their own pace without worries while still keeping a steady income of news.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on March 21, 2021, 03:25:11 AM
I think I get the logic behind it; doing minor updates in a slow pace, and occasionally show some brand new stuff from time to time, might be better than just waiting the same amount of time showing nothing at all, and then releasing one or two 'big' updates before hiding in the shadows for a long period again, until the game's release.


They're showing that the project is going steadily, and I'm honestly satisfied with that. "But then..."

you could always make some kind of teasers, for the stuff that is still in progress... That could allow for some more healthy discussion, while still building hype for the game during it's own development.


Just saying... They did something like that with the DLC silhouettes in KoF XIV, and I think mostly everyone can agree that it was a success. ;)
(they did the same for SNK Heroines yeah, but the whole concept of that game was always to attend a niche part of their audience anyway.)



Now,

if you wanna really, actually shatter my expactations, SNK...

...then, resurrect just 1 fighter from either the Sports Team, or the Maximum Impact saga - because I seriously think they might just never bother enough with those poor characters again. :lipsrsealed2:



Hey, in a slightly different topic now...

Giving the evident frequency of SNK reusing assets from their previous projects... What might be the odds of them bringing up someone from their 'pretty much' KoF XIV lookalike - SNK Heroines? (i.e. Shermie, Jeanne D'Arc... maybe Skullomania too, I dunno)

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 21, 2021, 10:37:15 AM
I remember seeing the USA Sports team revealed for '98. Whilst they were never going to be as popular as Terry, Ryo, Kyo etc... the hype was decent for them. That, and I really like Brian. :)

Bringing back  the Sports Team, New Face Team, Saishu.. even Jhun, would be something. Bringing in MI Characters? Doubtful, but it'd be wild if the Meira brothers and say, Lien formed a team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on March 23, 2021, 12:26:00 PM
I think that this week or some other will have a new character debut because that would be interesting, like Kukri or maybe a former character who was present in Ash saga.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 24, 2021, 03:58:42 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExNadxyU8AM8eL2?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1374541788417982464/photo/1
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
https://twitter.com/i/status/1374180022651551750
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 24, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
There's a fair amount of speculation about it. Most obvious would be Ryo, but that collar and it looks like he's wearing a jacket? I'm actually hoping that it's Ryo in some funky new threads, but we'll see soon enough. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on March 24, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Lol, just quickly after my rant about SNK not teasing characters more like they did in the previous game! ;P Jk

I do hope they will keep doing this for a few more times.


There's a fair amount of speculation about it. Most obvious would be Ryo, but that collar and it looks like he's wearing a jacket? I'm actually hoping that it's Ryo in some funky new threads, but we'll see soon enough. :)


Ryo with a jacket

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100322220629/sonic/images/c/c4/ASR_Ryo.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 24, 2021, 11:46:42 AM
Oh, oh this is interesting.

I think it's Shen or Ryo, but since Ryo is buffer than Shen, I'd wager it's Ryo.

Or... an entirely new character lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 24, 2021, 12:08:02 PM
The hair seems a bit too small for Shen... although, who's to say he didn't get a haircut? XD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on March 24, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
Could be Ryu, and the theory of the last SFV character being a KoF character could be true.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 24, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
Ryo Sakazaki with different clothes...
Or Ryo Hazuki, you're righ, but seems pretty surprising.

Or Mr Karate 2nd (Ryo)

Also, I first thgought of Ryu, but it doesn't really looks like Ryu.


But it would be a nice step.

Ryu in KOFIV
Kyo in SFV

Then CVS3... ^^
one more step
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 24, 2021, 02:01:20 PM
I think it's Shen or Ryo, but since Ryo is buffer than Shen, I'd wager it's Ryo.
Don't forget everyone is getting a lot more buff in this style, so it could still be Shen.
I don't believe they'd reveal him so early though, if Shen is in (I barely expect him to make it).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on March 24, 2021, 02:25:02 PM
Don't forget everyone is getting a lot more buff in this style, so it could still be Shen.
I don't believe they'd reveal him so early though, if Shen is in (I barely expect him to make it).

I will GLADLY pop up for Shen but Ryo to be revealed makes sense since AOF team would be next one. I do wish to have XI incartnation with the future final member being King.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 24, 2021, 02:43:33 PM
The one who looks the closest to that silhouette is Maxima.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on March 24, 2021, 03:00:38 PM
He's way too damn jacked to be Shen but I guess they're going the thicc men route judging by their comments on Terry's design so it's a possibilty.


And I welcome all of that. Bring all the thicc men. LOL
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on March 24, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
I also read a lot on Twitter that they think it "could" be Yashiro. What do you guys think of that?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 24, 2021, 06:20:28 PM
I don't think it looks like "classic" Yashiro, but I would like it to be him!

BEcause it means Shermie will be there too <3

Perhaps a slightly redesigned Yashiro... After all they are into trends and always kept their 97 style :)
(a style I like for them)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 24, 2021, 07:41:57 PM
it's clearly Ryo with his design from the AOF OVA
(http://animeperson.com/images/screen/4614b4d9b9.jpg)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 25, 2021, 03:02:44 AM


"Ryo" Trailer.  Dang he ripped.

Can't wait for his Lady appearance to make a cameo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on March 25, 2021, 03:03:51 AM
They picked the wrong version.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 25, 2021, 03:11:53 AM
This means that Shermie and Chris are back too, which means Saigado will get inspired once again.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 25, 2021, 03:12:17 AM
I didn't know when a king of fighter dies and they got back between deads they arrived younger than before  :nuttrox:
(https://i.ibb.co/4TC65RP/mwo-x1000-ipad-2-snap-pad-750x1000-f8f8f8.jpg)   :nuttrox:  :yuno: :muttrox:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 25, 2021, 03:15:18 AM
Everyone thinks Shermie and Chris are inbound, but then the next trailer drops:

•Orochi Yashiro with full screen grabs.
•Lady Yashiro with shock nuke

Team "Yash Bash".
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 25, 2021, 03:20:20 AM
I noticed that his lines aren't fully recorded yet.

Also, regarding his design I think he looks the best out of all the teased characters so far!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 25, 2021, 03:37:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/j890PiC.gif)

Yeah I'm happy. THANK YOU SNK!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: T_DR on March 25, 2021, 03:47:35 AM
Looks like the band is back together! Literally. :D
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 25, 2021, 05:14:11 AM
C You Soon.

Well, from what happend in KOF XIV surely Yashiro, probably Shermie and Chris would return.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 25, 2021, 05:31:31 AM
Yashiro looks hot as always. It kinda surprises me how they don't want to change the old returning characters' designs too much, returning after such a long time would be the perfect justification for a new appearence. Anyway, I wonder if Yashiro's (and, likely, Chris and Shermie's) appearence means they will also include their Orochi versions.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on March 25, 2021, 05:34:11 AM
It is poetic for Yashiro to be squaring off against Iori. The new shirt/jacket looks dope!!!
Quote
Anyway, I wonder if Yashiro's (and, likely, Chris and Shermie's) appearence means they will also include their Orochi versions.
I would have preferred a merged moveset for all three to spice things up, the close was Shermie in NGBC with one of her supers having electrical flair.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on March 25, 2021, 05:48:18 AM
I just have to say it.
The simpler a character looks the better for SNK characters.

Yashiro has two distinct colors White + Red and he looks gorgeous.

PLS SNK! Make your visual updates more like this and less like Skittles!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 25, 2021, 08:16:23 AM
C You Soon.

Well, from what happend in KOF XIV surely Yashiro, probably Shermie and Chris would return.

Didnt they all get resurrected in SNK Heroines. That game is canon isnt it?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 25, 2021, 08:17:12 AM
Welcome back Yashiro!
We missed you so much!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 25, 2021, 08:32:39 AM
So, it's a rdisegned Yashiro. With more mosern style!
I have to say I like it!

I'm a little bit worried that they change shermie too much.
I really hope they will not "censor" her to match post 2015+ standards.

Now, I think only good thingd can happen.
At least I hope so!

BTW, you can CLEARLY notice that "new" characters (not present in kofXIV) are very well animated.
Seems like they took key frames poses from classic KOF games.
Looks like what they did in "Super SFIV" when they added Dudley, Ibuki etc, I remember you can feel the SF3 key frames compared to SFIV vanilla characters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on March 25, 2021, 10:40:34 AM
lol I thought it was singo at first  :mlol: anyway, I was thinking that it would feel something "different" which are not seen before from other past kof games to see yashiro and maybe the other two: chris and shermie if they are in to be able to transform into their orochi form during match unless if these three are trapped inside verse to the present day before kof97 before they revealed themselves as orochi's servants
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on March 25, 2021, 12:24:11 PM
Awesome seeing it actually being Yashiro, and that leaves me with;
My heart is screaming; SHERMIE :smitten:
But my nightmares are screaming; CHRIS ... :mcry:


(It's a contrast to me. I really love playing Shermie, but I really dislike Chris's moveset. Yashiro is awesome tho.)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on March 25, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
 :o
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 25, 2021, 02:55:08 PM
Notice how Yashiro is acting friendly towards Iori in their interaction. I believe this implies that he doesn't really remember anything that happened at all. Since Orochi was sealed for good in the previous game I guess they'll take their team in a new direction, possibly to redeem them.

C You Soon.

Well, from what happend in KOF XIV surely Yashiro, probably Shermie and Chris would return.

Didnt they all get resurrected in SNK Heroines. That game is canon isnt it?

"Canon". The whole game is treated as just being a dream sequence, so it didn't really "happened".

Awesome seeing it actually being Yashiro, and that leaves me with;
My heart is screaming; SHERMIE :smitten:
But my nightmares are screaming; CHRIS ... :mcry:


(It's a contrast to me. I really love playing Shermie, but I really dislike Chris's moveset. Yashiro is awesome tho.)

Guess I'm not the only one who detests Chris.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2021, 03:12:22 PM
Glad to see they made the Bash punches a little bit more dynamic and varied.
It feels like a waste to have the exact normal versions because now we're expecting the Orochi versions, which feels like a waste of select screen space to have 3 characters twice. Especially the supers being copies of the main Japan team.
Unless they also give us a classic Kyo (with Mu Shiki) and claw Iori.
Notice how Yashiro is acting friendly towards Iori in their interaction. I believe this implies that he doesn't really remember anything that happened at all. Since Orochi was sealed for good in the previous game I guess they'll take their team in a new direction, possibly to redeem them.
I thought regular Yashiro was always the smiling type. In a mean way because he's making fun of you, but it doesn't surprise me to see him *act* friendly with Iori. He's probably taking the piss, I imagine. IIRC it's more Orochi Yashiro that's openly aggressive.

I really like Chris' moves. On paper, anyway, the concept is cool (love his two supers, teleporting somersault and chain slide touch). The various dancer slides and direction shift are hard to use and not actually effective much, though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 25, 2021, 04:15:19 PM
Well Yashiro hates Iori. The only reason he entered KOF 97 (in his non-Heavenly King persona) was to punch him lol

And I'm willing to agree with the lost memory thing because Yashiro seems friendly, and there's a frame of him being stunned. So I'm led to believe Iori is insulting him or calling him out on being an Orochi follower or something and he has legitimately no idea what he's talking about.

So I can get behind that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 25, 2021, 04:33:27 PM
:o
[youtube]https://youtu.be/9dyL8IBMwjQ[/youtube]

his face expression is much better in kof 2002 while he's doing his supers
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 25, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
"Canon". The whole game is treated as just being a dream sequence, so it didn't really "happened".
You're feeding gay dreams you cannot possibly comprehend, are you telling me that Iori being a tsundere for Kyo is canon? Because Iori blushed for Kyo after waking up from a dream.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 25, 2021, 08:10:58 PM
"Canon". The whole game is treated as just being a dream sequence, so it didn't really "happened".
You're feeding gay dreams you cannot possibly comprehend, are you telling me that Iori being a tsundere for Kyo is canon? Because Iori blushed for Kyo after waking up from a dream.

I don’t know how much of Heroines is canon but IIRC the Shermie storyline is at least canon (of her being alive again)

I could 100% be wrong but last I remember that much IS canon and the rest is just a huge joke for the hell of it lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 25, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
According to SNK, Heroines is canon enough to know that Shermie is alive and well, which alongside the also very much canon manga KOF A New Beginning (which every KOF should mean IMO, as it explains Geese's Alt Costume) would mean that yesterday's announcement of Yashiro shouldn't catch us by surprise :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 25, 2021, 08:21:17 PM
"Canon". The whole game is treated as just being a dream sequence, so it didn't really "happened".
You're feeding gay dreams you cannot possibly comprehend, are you telling me that Iori being a tsundere for Kyo is canon? Because Iori blushed for Kyo after waking up from a dream.

Was it REALLY necessary saying GAY dreams? You're being a bit homophobic here.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2021, 08:44:24 PM
Everyone expected the NFT to come back the second KoF XIV ending said that dead and erased people were getting revived, that was already canon.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 25, 2021, 08:54:38 PM
Was it REALLY necessary saying GAY dreams? You're being a bit homophobic here.
Oh, yeah, the gay guy saying there is something gay in the canon equals homophobia. Amazing logic.

Speaking of the canon, with the Orochilings here, is it possible for Orochi himself to show up? I can't follow this series' story to save my own life.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 25, 2021, 09:03:26 PM
Orochi was already taken care of in XIV’s official invite ending I think. The Sacred Treasures Team finds him in a weakened state in Hungary I believe and they seal him away in a cutscene.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 25, 2021, 09:10:52 PM
Poor guy got beaten in a cutscene. I wonder who will be the boss in this game, then. They keep bringing more and more powerful characters, don't they? Where is the limit?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 25, 2021, 09:14:26 PM
The final boss will obviously be the American Sports Team
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 25, 2021, 09:51:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExTzA0FWQAIbPt-?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExSnBEzXEAI6SnG?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExSnBVXWUAcRypi?format=jpg&name=large)
1997 Thats nice detail
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 25, 2021, 09:54:57 PM
At least Hotaru is somewhat relevant again in All Stars.  K9999 is in a vegetative state ever since he was retconned.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 25, 2021, 10:00:05 PM
At least Hotaru is somewhat relevant again in All Stars.  K9999 is in a vegetative state ever since he was retconned.

pleasse hotaru is my wifefu in the snk universe
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 25, 2021, 10:02:11 PM
It is my headcanon that K9999 consistently goes to beat up the American Sports Team to steal one of their invites but finds their invites have already been stolen by somebody else by then
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 25, 2021, 11:32:11 PM
According to SNK, Heroines is canon enough to know that Shermie is alive and well, which alongside the also very much canon manga KOF A New Beginning (which every KOF should mean IMO, as it explains Geese's Alt Costume) would mean that yesterday's announcement of Yashiro shouldn't catch us by surprise :)

The manga was endorsed and supervisioned by SNK but it is not canon, especially considering how many liberties it takes with the story. They may end taking some ideas from it but it was always intended to be its own thing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 26, 2021, 12:49:34 AM
I wonder if SNK will consider adding non-SNK guests, like they did in KoF All Star. I know doing that on mobile is probably easier, but I'd love to see The Rock in this game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 26, 2021, 01:07:21 AM
Was it REALLY necessary saying GAY dreams? You're being a bit homophobic here.
Oh, yeah, the gay guy saying there is something gay in the canon equals homophobia. Amazing logic.

Speaking of the canon, with the Orochilings here, is it possible for Orochi himself to show up? I can't follow this series' story to save my own life.
Yo' bitch, I'm not gay. The correct expression would be WET dreams, not GAY dreams.


Also, Orochi was sealed back in XIV by Chizu, Kyo and Iori.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 26, 2021, 01:10:06 AM
I think he was saying he was gay
Either way the point does stand, though



The new heavenly kings are the American Sports Team. You all doubt me but I'll have the last laugh when Heavy D is shown off after Ryo next week
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 26, 2021, 01:12:59 AM
I think he was saying he was gay
Either way the point does stand, though



The new heavenly kings are the American Sports Team. You all doubt me but I'll have the last laugh when Heavy D is shown off after Ryo next week

Dunno, this guy is a total hatter and most of his posts are like this.

Also, Yashiro is OK, Shermie is OK and Chris is TERRIBLE, IMHO
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 26, 2021, 01:16:03 AM
Dunno, this guy is a total hatter and most of his posts are like this.

Also, Yashiro is OK, Shermie is OK and Chris is TERRIBLE, IMHO

I meant your point stands haha, my bad.

I like Chris though I do concede he's the worst of the three. Though, I can't help but be enamored by the New Faces Team. I'm not sure why. I think it's just the concept of them coming back canonically and what it means for the story of the game.

... then again, watch SNK ONLY include Yashiro.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 26, 2021, 01:22:08 AM
If they removed Orochi and they end up not adding the Orochi versions of the NFT for one reason or another, then I don't know what they're going to even do with them. Just adding them back for the hell of it because of the demand ? Or will they take a new direction story-wise.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 26, 2021, 01:38:43 AM
In that case, I'd prefer orochi moves' to be added to their current sets, but dunno :/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 26, 2021, 01:41:57 AM
That's easy.

That'll be $25 to preorder our Season Pass 1 that includes the Orochi team please.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 26, 2021, 02:02:58 AM
If the Orochi Team ends up as separate characters and not transformation supers for the base cast, I hope they're treated like echoes in the same slots as CYS and don't take up additional roster space. Sorta like what they did in 2002 UM.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on March 26, 2021, 02:05:30 AM
If they wanna shatter expectations they'll drop Chris and replace him with Goeniko.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 26, 2021, 02:10:24 AM
I'm pretty sure SNK has acknowledged Goeniko, so, while it would certainly be surprising, it wouldn't be impossible. Though it was kind of a missed opportunity to not put her in SNK Heroines.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 26, 2021, 07:01:47 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXtwtvVoAYHtuI?format=jpg&name=large)

And you fellas know well the ones alongside Yashiro right? :v

Can't wait SNK to reveal Shermie.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 26, 2021, 07:03:52 AM
Ugh he looks gorgeous


Also GEE, I can only wonder who is standing on either side of him

Hmmmmmmmm








Kensou and Kula, obviously
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 26, 2021, 09:27:36 PM
(https://i.redd.it/4n17v5604bp61.jpg)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 27, 2021, 04:56:16 AM
At least Hotaru is somewhat relevant again in All Stars.  K9999 is in a vegetative state ever since he was retconned.

they could just redesign him a bit , keep the attitude and personality so angel can have her own team again.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 27, 2021, 05:23:33 AM
I feel like they could easily just mesh K9999's design with Nameless' design and create some kind of hype looking hybrid

K9999 is his codename but he goes by Nameless after defecting from NESTS

... idk, I'm trying to think of a way he could come back. Even though I'd honestly prefer Nameless
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 27, 2021, 07:36:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXtwtvVoAYHtuI?format=jpg&name=large)

And you fellas know well the ones alongside Yashiro right? :v

Can't wait SNK to reveal Shermie.

Same here !
I hope they will make her look at least as good as SNK Heroines version.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 27, 2021, 08:06:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExXPPl0VIAQex_o?format=png&name=900x900)
....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExaV9YVW8AYCGU4?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 30, 2021, 04:22:20 PM
Videoman, stop posting memes with no context to news of the game >:(
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 31, 2021, 05:11:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExxVxV5VgAIY15Y?format=jpg&name=large)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 31, 2021, 05:26:16 AM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 31, 2021, 05:52:49 AM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 31, 2021, 06:01:30 AM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 31, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
I think its Shermie with a slight redesign
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 31, 2021, 03:43:21 PM
It's clearly Goro Daimon
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on March 31, 2021, 03:44:02 PM
IT'S PIKACHU!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on March 31, 2021, 05:33:30 PM
That's probably Blue Mary or Whip.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on March 31, 2021, 06:04:27 PM
Ash crimson or King because of their sleeves
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on March 31, 2021, 06:27:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExxVxV5VgAIY15Y?format=jpg&name=large)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

What if it is Elizabeth?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 31, 2021, 06:40:16 PM
The hair is too small to be Ash. And if that’s mostly the hair then his head is too small.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on March 31, 2021, 07:00:56 PM
I want it to be King, but I can kinda see Ash... although... Shion? Hair might be too short though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 31, 2021, 07:44:58 PM
Please, tell me it's not Shermie!
Sure I want to see Shermie, but not like that!!

She seems to have very thin body, It's certainly Whip. Or Elisabeth, perhaps ? I don't know.

If it's King, She can definitely look good!
And it could definitely be Angel... even if I also hope they didn't changed too much her style.

And I don't think it's Ash, even if it's clearly possible...

D*mn, here, trailer will be at 3am... I will not sleep XD

OK, edit : I'm 99% sure it's Angel.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on March 31, 2021, 08:13:24 PM
Elisabeth or Angel
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on March 31, 2021, 08:40:21 PM
It can be King, Ash, Whip, Shermie (with a new hairstyle), or Elisabeth
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 31, 2021, 08:45:03 PM
So it could possibly be King with a new haircut (the XIV one was god awful), Whip with no whip, Blue Mary with a jacket, Shermie with a new haircut, Elisabeth, Angel, it might also be Ash or Shion or... It'll be faster with a list of those it CAN'T be, like Goro and Choi.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 31, 2021, 09:03:29 PM
While I can believe it to be Ash, it’s the hair that keeps me from agreeing completely. It’s too small.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on March 31, 2021, 09:21:19 PM
While I can believe it to be Ash, it’s the hair that keeps me from agreeing completely. It’s too small.

Yes, definitely. At least I think the same...

But still 99% sure it's Angel, and 1% for a new Ash...

But since the game shatter all expectations. we cannot be 100% sure of anything

@Byakko, yes, it looks like so many characters ^^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on March 31, 2021, 10:11:21 PM
I'm voting Whip and I'm thinking they removed the whip between her hands (hence the odd pose). She's the closest match for both the jacket and the hair (bottom of the hair is a 100% match). Presuming it's not a redesign, but I don't see who could get a new haircut like that without ruining the original design.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 31, 2021, 10:21:20 PM
it couldn't be blue mary that body is too slim to be her. hair is too long for king and elizabeth. but it looks like whip's length.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on March 31, 2021, 10:39:22 PM
It's clearly Goro Daimon
:idea: Lady Goro Daimon
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on March 31, 2021, 10:41:54 PM
I’m still betting on King.

Yuri had her hair done different this game. I can see King’s being done just a bit differently here too.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 01, 2021, 04:03:46 AM
Its King

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 01, 2021, 04:04:05 AM
The most beautiful KOF waifu returns
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on April 01, 2021, 04:07:07 AM
Great that her VA still remains the same after all these years.
Regarding her model... I'm disappointed to say the least.

No new redesign nor fluid movement.
Her pants look like they are made of plastic.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 01, 2021, 04:07:52 AM
CALLED IT.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Jmorphman on April 01, 2021, 04:19:01 AM
Jeez, do they just do not want to give anything any HitPause at all? King's Trap Shot and Silent Flash look absolutely putrid, there's no weight to any of their hits. :no:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on April 01, 2021, 04:26:57 AM
I liked her new combos possibilities but they didnt show her level 3 super :/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 01, 2021, 04:43:26 AM
King's Trap Shot and Silent Flash look absolutely putrid, there's no weight to any of their hits. :no:
Look, it is either this or have her manifest orange juice from her shoes.  We can't win.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on April 01, 2021, 04:44:43 AM
they remade king's aof2 stage
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on April 01, 2021, 05:36:27 AM
lmfao it looks like shes dropping fps mid-animation
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on April 01, 2021, 06:19:28 AM
 Not too thrilled on her artwork. King now has resting bitch face. :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 01, 2021, 07:19:25 AM
She looks like another character. She almost look "Japanese"
(This is not a bad thing, the face is OK, but it's not very King-like)

The overall model is good about proportions, but strange rendering.
The haircut is kind of ok, I suppose.

I'm not a big fan of this version of costume. Looks like the fashion style she could have in KOF MI... very 2005/2006 style.

I would have not mind an actual redesign for her costume, but anyway...

Gameplay wise, she looks OK, but trailer is not enough to judge.
I still have this feeling the animations lacks of something... hard to say.

I like the stage, I like the classic voice.

And last thing : I'm freaking glad this is NOT Shermie!!! (neither Angel)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: senorfro on April 01, 2021, 07:27:39 AM
I'm hoping it's just because it's still in development, but Venom Strike/Double Strike looks and sounds worse here than in 14
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 01, 2021, 08:44:33 AM
I'm hoping it's just because it's still in development, but Venom Strike/Double Strike looks and sounds worse here than in 14

Agreed. Even the FX looks damn weird. Looks like King is throwing water from her feet.

I liked her new combos possibilities but they didnt show her level 3 super :/

She have some good combos, specially because of her Trap Kick's overhead that is back (thank God SNK put her overhead back!)
And the very beginning of her Climax appears in the trailer. It's pretty much Ctrl+C-Ctrl+V of KOF XIV, again...

Jeez, do they just do not want to give anything any HitPause at all? King's Trap Shot and Silent Flash look absolutely putrid, there's no weight to any of their hits. :no:

And looks nearly worst than in KOF XIV, which is something quite worrying.

In other note, i really enjoy they bring her AOF2 stage in such atmosphere. Buuuut...
(https://i.imgur.com/owRVXeb.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uKN0NC3.png)

I see what you did here SNK. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 01, 2021, 09:09:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uKN0NC3.png)

I see what you did here SNK. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
OH NO, THEY DIDN'T!!!

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 01, 2021, 08:26:20 PM

The comparison with XIV
Man, that Venom Strike is literally just a silhouette filled with a wavy surface. And they dropped the slash effects on her kicks. And I won't even talk about that haircut - sometimes I forget if XV is on the left or right side of that comparison. And when the fuck is SNK going to give up on making Surprise Rose a thing ?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 01, 2021, 08:39:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uKN0NC3.png)

I see what you did here SNK. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
OH NO, THEY DIDN'T!!!



Yep, they did it. :v
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on April 02, 2021, 12:37:28 AM
And when the fuck is SNK going to give up on making Surprise Rose a thing ?

Thank God I'm not the only one that feels that way! I'd rather see her get new moves to replace Surprise Rose (Normal or DM) and Silent Slash.
Even bringing back the Tornado Kick '96 or her auto combo would be switching it up a little more.

Does make me wonder if Mai is going to be a copy and paste too. :/
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 02, 2021, 12:48:16 AM
and Silent Slash.
Wait hold on don't talk shit about Silent Flash >:(
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on April 02, 2021, 01:08:03 AM
I loved it in '97 onwards... possibly just because I liked the SDM version. The CvS / XIV version just doesn't feel as heavy hitting to me.

Fine, fine... let's keep that as long as we can yeet Surprise Rose into the sun!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Japanese Jesus on April 02, 2021, 04:28:53 PM
Why is Iori suddenly getting a big media push? Is he particularly popular?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 02, 2021, 04:43:35 PM
In some parts in the globe namely South America, this guy is as revered as Superman so of course he'd be the focus. (https://i.redd.it/q00uo5hibgp61.jpg)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on April 02, 2021, 04:45:52 PM
In some parts in the globe namely South America, this guy is as revered as Superman so of course he'd be the focus. (https://i.redd.it/q00uo5hibgp61.jpg)

Cool
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 02, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
In some parts in the globe namely South America, this guy is as revered as Superman so of course he'd be the focus. (https://i.redd.it/q00uo5hibgp61.jpg)
Hi, South American here, where I live, Iori isn't even close to Superman's popularity and I dare say he isn't the most popular fighting game character either.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 02, 2021, 05:06:26 PM
In some parts in the globe namely South America, this guy is as revered as Superman so of course he'd be the focus. (https://i.redd.it/q00uo5hibgp61.jpg)

I can confirm what Macaulyn said.

Indeed Iori is popular here in Brazil but not that much. Iori have a strong popularity in other parts of South America, specially in Mexico and Argentina.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on April 02, 2021, 05:10:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex9SCaDUYAAjhqj?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 02, 2021, 05:56:52 PM
Why is Iori suddenly getting a big media push?
Is he ? Where ?
(image : look forward to her older attacks making a big comeback)
What do they even mean, they showed one old attack, big whoop.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 02, 2021, 06:13:24 PM
Iori is the most popular KoF character (excluding FF and AoF) outside of Japan, and especially in South America (where he is even more popular than Terry in some countries), and has been consistently for more than a decade. Kinda surprised SNK wasn’t doing much more with him until now.

Indeed Iori is popular here in Brazil but not that much. Iori have a strong popularity in other parts of South America, specially in Mexico and Argentina.

Mexico is indeed one of these places. Everybody and their mother plays and loves Iori.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 02, 2021, 09:22:25 PM
Why is Iori suddenly getting a big media push?
Is he ? Where ?
(image : look forward to her older attacks making a big comeback)
What do they even mean, they showed one old attack, big whoop.

Like was mentioned Byakko, in some parts of South America he's strongly popular. :v

And yeah, only her overhead returns from what they showed in the trailer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 02, 2021, 10:01:00 PM
I mean what's this about a sudden big media push, is there some sort of ad campaign in South America happening lately ? Or are you guys just saying generally
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 02, 2021, 10:14:42 PM
There isn't.  I was just over exaggerating on Iori.  He's popular but it's not like he's gonna appear on TV anytime soon.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on April 02, 2021, 11:49:34 PM
Why is Iori suddenly getting a big media push? Is he particularly popular?

in south america they have a holiday called iori day.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on April 07, 2021, 02:31:15 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1379614910078808064
women team confirm or maybe not
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on April 07, 2021, 03:07:47 PM
Ok, this one guess was clever AF: :lfor:

https://twitter.com/ninjasmacks/status/1379633413221679108?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ninjasmacks/status/1379633413221679108?s=19)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 07, 2021, 05:37:15 PM
Ok, this one guess was clever AF: :lfor:

https://twitter.com/ninjasmacks/status/1379633413221679108?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ninjasmacks/status/1379633413221679108?s=19)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

lol xD

But damn SNK, didn't even try hard to hidden in a more clever way. :v
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on April 07, 2021, 06:22:53 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1379614910078808064
women team confirm or maybe not

I hope so. I want Takuma back. Hell I'll even take them introducing Butt to the team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 07, 2021, 07:09:34 PM
Definitely no hidden this time ^^

I hope they improved her appearance compared to first appearances...
Also, hope she's not just a copy paste of KOFXIV move list. (even if it's already good)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on April 07, 2021, 07:50:23 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1379614910078808064
women team confirm or maybe not

I hope so. I want Takuma back. Hell I'll even take them introducing Butt to the team.

which reminds me we need a bit more motw characters that weren't in the actual kof game such as the two kims who are the sons of kim kaphwan, freeman, the two bosses grant and kain, kevin rian, and even hokutomaru
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 07, 2021, 08:37:34 PM
I feel like the AOF team ending in KoF XIV was setting up the appearance of Marco.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 07, 2021, 10:15:02 PM
I mean, Mai was already revealed in Andy's trailer. It was bound to happen eventually. Better question is, who's the third member of Team Women?

Ok, this one guess was clever AF: :lfor:

https://twitter.com/ninjasmacks/status/1379633413221679108?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ninjasmacks/status/1379633413221679108?s=19)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

That's actually really good. XD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: kaczor787 on April 08, 2021, 12:01:29 AM
Yuri was first then was King and now will be Mai. Original Women Team Complete
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 08, 2021, 01:01:16 AM
Yuri could be on Ryo's team as well. Last game Alice was on the Women Team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 08, 2021, 01:18:23 AM
They're working the trailers by teams, and we still haven't seen another Kyokugen rep. They started the NFT/CYS team, Yuri, and King+Mai, so I can see the Mai trailer to end with the completed women team (then finish Yashiro's team) rather than leave 3 teams unfinished.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 08, 2021, 04:13:11 AM


So no OG Women's Team it is then.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on April 08, 2021, 04:16:41 AM
I liked that the new EX Kacho Sen is loosely inspired from Anji. Definitely better than KOF11 Athena copying Milla Rage.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on April 08, 2021, 04:24:17 AM
Well she isnt Women Fighters Team this time
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 08, 2021, 05:25:19 AM
King in the AOF team again then for more RyoxKing let's goooo
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on April 08, 2021, 07:06:55 AM
Mai looks the same as her 14 counterpart so nothing to say much here.

I wish we get to see more new faces like Chizuru or Yashiro...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 08, 2021, 07:34:11 AM
Mai looks the same as her 14 counterpart so nothing to say much here.

I wish we get to see more new faces like Chizuru or Yashiro...

Yes, I have the same feeling.
Overall she look better than in her first apearance in early trailers.
But doesn't seems to have so many improvements in her move set.
Also her super move is a bit... average (to me)

Yes, I want to see more new comers now!
I want to see Shermie, but also, I feel like, the later they make her, the best she can be...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Lichtbringer on April 08, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
Is it just me or are all of her moves seem to be a little bit slower then usual?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on April 08, 2021, 11:51:43 AM
Hmmm A women's team with No King, this could mean Fatal Fury's or unless Alice returns then it would be same team as last time. Also there is more flair in personality compared XiV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on April 09, 2021, 02:16:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyf0HgKVIAAnIxO?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on April 09, 2021, 07:47:30 PM
They literally had so much potential to redesign Mai for XV. She's literally Chun-li of KOF.

More flamboyant fans, more defined hairstyle, and/or revamped color schemes.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 09, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyf0HgKVIAAnIxO?format=jpg&name=large
Mai's story moving forward with Andy ? lol yeah right I'll believe it after I see it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on April 09, 2021, 11:34:13 PM
Since 1995 Mai has been trying to get marry with Andy so its time  she gets something hehe
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 10, 2021, 12:14:34 AM
“Marriage or death — make your choice, Andy!”

I would like some kind of development with them, finally.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 14, 2021, 04:56:23 AM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1382151624915886080

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey5RCLEVoAMjdIW?format=jpg&name=large)

SNK be throwing us curveballs.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 14, 2021, 04:58:57 AM
..................

Chris?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on April 14, 2021, 05:33:16 AM
I'm not going to give any wild guesses but it might either be a new brand character or character that appeared in a cutscene but not playable. It looks like they have hidden the character this time not to make it super obvious. It almost like that "Who's that Pokemon" eye-catch asking you to name it. In KOF case "Who's that fighter"
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Nemuresu on April 14, 2021, 05:36:31 AM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1382151624915886080

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey5RCLEVoAMjdIW?format=jpg&name=large)

SNK be throwing us curveballs.

The head shape and scarf remind me of May Lee, but that little "furry" thing around the character's neck rubs me the wrong way.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DatKofGuy on April 14, 2021, 05:39:44 AM
Im gonna say it's Blue Mary
Doing her jacket win pose
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on April 14, 2021, 07:06:45 AM
My wild guess: a slightly redesigned Botan - the girl that appeared in the cutscenes of pretty much every Ash saga game;

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThgp06J4PxrJvyNQdE7claTa3ytw2GOwHH9g&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 14, 2021, 07:30:10 AM
Oh shit I can totally see that


Yeah I’d take it
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 14, 2021, 07:47:17 AM
My wild guess: a slightly redesigned Botan - the girl that appeared in the cutscenes of pretty much every Ash saga game;

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThgp06J4PxrJvyNQdE7claTa3ytw2GOwHH9g&usqp=CAU)

gimme gimme pls
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: senorfro on April 14, 2021, 08:54:54 AM
I'm going to say Hotaru, with her pigtails down.  That furry thing could be her pet.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 14, 2021, 08:59:43 AM
Yes, 100% Botan !

But, why she would be in the game ? Anyway, it would be a great news having a character like her.
A bit the kind like I-No in GG series... :D

I only hope it's not a redesign of Shermie (again) inspired by this Botan furr stuff...

BTW, they're taking big risks displaying this furr on a character in 2021... Something they possibly have to remove later... -_-
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 14, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
I'm still believe it is Shermie.

But if it's Botan, than SNK will take the "Shatter All Expectations" thing to the high level.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on April 14, 2021, 09:14:46 AM
could be chris looks like it's wearing a shirt , but i do love the idea of a playable botan.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2021, 09:24:21 AM
BTW, they're taking big risks displaying this furr on a character in 2021... Something they possibly have to remove later... -_-
Why is that a risk?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on April 14, 2021, 09:53:47 AM
I'm still believe it is Shermie.

But if it's Botan, than SNK will take the "Shatter All Expectations" thing to the high level.

It would be but I guess it is only till reveal to know whether it shattering or safe?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 14, 2021, 10:12:35 AM
BTW, they're taking big risks displaying this furr on a character in 2021... Something they possibly have to remove later... -_-
Why is that a risk?

because 2021, and twitter etc.

Anyway;
Either it's Botan or Shermie.
One detail make me wonderting a lot.
What can be this sleeve/hair like shape in front of her...

This time, I think It will be hard to go to sleep and not tay awake until 3AM (in my area)

EDIT:
Also, I'm affraid this one would NOT be completely stupid.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey5tmMoWQAAd54h?format=jpg&name=small)
Please, please, please! Botan!!

EDIT2:
OK, It's Shermie... Almost sure now.
There is no fox or furr aroudthis character...
I only hope they didn't f*ck up Shermie's design...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on April 14, 2021, 11:15:18 PM
it's either shermie or chris. did they offiicially announced the women's team?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on April 15, 2021, 12:10:28 AM
am I the only one who does not like Terry's "new" VA ? actually its not just terry I don't like half the voice cast in XIV.

That looks like Shermie to me, she has her hands like that in one of her winposes in the old games.... I think, it has been a bit.
If thats not Shermie, I have no clue  then.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Lunchbillion on April 15, 2021, 12:23:03 AM
I absolutely prefer the old Kyo, Terry & Joe VAs...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 15, 2021, 04:15:12 AM


Botan was never meant to be :qq:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: senorfro on April 15, 2021, 04:16:19 AM
Why are there hitsparks when she throws the opponent?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 15, 2021, 04:18:58 AM
Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!


She looks REALLY good. Love the personality in her movements. <3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 15, 2021, 04:28:09 AM
Damn, she is thick now, though I guess it makes sense for a grappler to have a bit more body mass. I like her redesign, its simple, but cool.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: AuMiO VXC on April 15, 2021, 04:32:06 AM
All I want to see Orochi's return (as a character or as a cameo) and the impact of this in the plot.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 15, 2021, 04:47:15 AM
I set myself up for disappointment wanting Botan  :^(

Shermie looks 100% more like a stripper now, but her gameplay looks better than ever. Probably won't be as fun as CvS EX Shermie though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SquidlyPoli1 on April 15, 2021, 05:26:36 AM
I set myself up for disappointment wanting Botan  :^(

I was expecting Botan as well. Especially since she was going to make an appearance in the mobile game KoF Chronicle (https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/KOF:_Chronicle), and that got shut down before they even went into the Ash Saga.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Jmorphman on April 15, 2021, 06:11:38 AM
Man, they can't even give a grappler's throws the proper animation timing and impact. Well, most of them, at least. The suplexes seemed like they had a sense of weight behind them because there's a proper amount of buildup and anticipation, but overall... :-\

am I the only one who does not like Terry's "new" VA ? actually its not just terry I don't like half the voice cast in XIV.
I absolutely prefer the old Kyo, Terry & Joe VAs...
Yeah it really sucks they nuked almost the entire cast. The replacements just don't sound right.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on April 15, 2021, 07:02:10 AM
I'm digging her new design. Hell yeah.

XV original characters seem so much more refined than the old XIV converts.

So with Shermie and Yashiro, Chris is literally guaranteed.

I'm now wondering who'd be joining Kim now. Same team from XIV? Chang & Choi? Jhun & May?
Shatter my expectations, SNK!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 15, 2021, 07:08:58 AM
I'm sad for Botan, it could have been a great opportunity to have a NEW character with actual good design...


But after watching this Shermie trailer, I'm freaking so hyped.
The design is freaking perfect. Inever imagined they could make something better than the classic one.
SNK Heroines model looks from old generation now. :)

Her gameplay looks awesome. Her NeoMax/super is a bit strange, but overall, it's just freaking awesome.
Her Shermie Shoot from 97/98 is back. Does it means she don't have Diamond Bust ?

Damn! I need this game now. It will be a torture to wait until it's playable! ^^;

My only whish now is that they polish her even more and give her a very complete move list, with nothing lost, and some extra moves.


Question to you guys(and girls), until now, do we have the proof that there is DM/SDM , not only NeoMax-like unique super move?
I think this is some details I sometime not focus on. (they looks like EX moves or something)

EDIT:
And yes, after re watching, they could have put more weight into some animations.
But still it looks better than some previously seen characters.

Also, after checking her actual portrait, we can see they really played with us with the silhouette picture, bacause the hand is looking different.
They edited it to make us thinking it's actually an animal... or Botan's furr -_-


EDIT:
@Kolossoni
As a big Kim fan, I would love Jhun to join him, but it would mean there is only one place left for Chang and Choi -_-
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on April 15, 2021, 08:30:23 AM
Question to you guys(and girls), until now, do we have the proof that there is DM/SDM , not only NeoMax-like unique super move?
I think this is some details I sometime not focus on. (they looks like EX moves or something)

I'm sure they added smth new for XV. A XIV + XIII hybrid I suppose.

And regarding Kim's team: I would love if Kim + Chang + Choi happened with Gang-il + Luong and Jhun as another team.
May Lee's chances seem lower but since she's young and a female character, she has chances outside of team Korea for this one.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 15, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0gPnaKd.png)
:3

Anyway, she looks damn good about gameplay. Even a new DM and that Climax tho!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 15, 2021, 09:09:30 AM
Why are there hitsparks when she throws the opponent?
Grabs have a specific swirl effect. Strikes that grab have a regular hitspark.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on April 15, 2021, 09:24:07 AM
Yup.
Chris will definitively be back in this game.
We missed them so much.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: senorfro on April 15, 2021, 10:08:03 AM
Why are there hitsparks when she throws the opponent?
Grabs have a specific swirl effect. Strikes that grab have a regular hitspark.

No, not those.  Look at :30, :40, and :51 when she does the release German Suplexes.  When she actually throws them, there's a hitspark, that doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 15, 2021, 10:28:21 AM
Anyway, she looks damn good about gameplay. Even a new DM and that Climax tho!
Yes! She looks so good! I'm glad they didn't tone down her appearance. In fact she never have been so hot...
the moves are good. I'm not quite fan of the new DM, but still looks OK.
The Climax is really fun, even if I would have prefered her to use her strong legs for this one. But I'm actually VERY glad to see something new.
Not (just) the "usual" inazuma leg lariat.

Question to you guys(and girls), until now, do we have the proof that there is DM/SDM , not only NeoMax-like unique super move?
I think this is some details I sometime not focus on. (they looks like EX moves or something)

I'm sure they added smth new for XV. A XIV + XIII hybrid I suppose.

And regarding Kim's team: I would love if Kim + Chang + Choi happened with Gang-il + Luong and Jhun as another team.
May Lee's chances seem lower but since she's young and a female character, she has chances outside of team Korea for this one.

Oh, yes! Now, we have enough characters to make 2 good Korean teams!
I just want Jhun to be back! :)
Yes, May Lee can be in another girl team or something. For May Lee, I whish for a smart redesign.

No, not those.  Look at :30, :40, and :51 when she does the release German Suplexes.  When she actually throws them, there's a hitspark, that doesn't make sense.

yes, the spark at 0:51 is really strange... I hope it's just because it's in developpement.

I can't wait to know more of the game system/mechanics.
It's a pain in the *ss to have nearly no informations about it. ^^;

Also, I'm a bit frustrated there will be no more chances to actually see Shemie in action for a long time... -_-
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on April 15, 2021, 12:46:57 PM
I love how curvy she is and whatnot, voice actress is meh, however that outfit is horrible omg what were they thinking ?
She looks like a hooker

From the gameplay side she looks good to me.
Shermie was always curvy, she was made thin on an accident in one of the kofs and SNK made changes to her spritesheet to be more.. well.. you know :D


Jman: Yeah it really sucks they nuked almost the entire cast. The replacements just don't sound right.

Maybe some of them have retired but still, most of them dont fit with me either.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on April 15, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
I love how curvy she is and whatnot, voice actress is meh, however that outfit is horrible omg what were they thinking ?
She looks like a hooker

From the gameplay side she looks good to me.
Shermie was always curvy, she was made thin on an accident in one of the kofs and SNK made changes to her spritesheet to be more.. well.. you know :D


Jman: Yeah it really sucks they nuked almost the entire cast. The replacements just don't sound right.

Maybe some of them have retired but still, most of them dont fit with me either.

I kind of agree on the whole hooker look. Not the biggest fan.
It's the black skirt and laces I think. Should've been a brighter color like yellow (homage to her ANOTHER costume back in '00).

Her VA is the same from SNK Heroines to KOF All Star, so no surprise in that.
But yeah, her original VA: Hazuki Nishikawa (KOF 97 ~ 02UM) has the best voice.
She had the little squeals when Shermie was super excited, whereas the new one sounds a little flat.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on April 15, 2021, 02:51:27 PM
Quote
hooker

cringe
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on April 15, 2021, 06:26:12 PM
I used to dislike Shermie with a passion as a friend used to murder most of my teams with her back in 97/98.

But I think she looks awesome with this update! That Climax!  "Are you Okaaaaay?" *breaks everything!* ^_^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 15, 2021, 08:18:56 PM
She looks like a dominatrix, not a hooker c'mon.

About the VAs, sadly some of them are indeed not working for SNK anymore. Kunihiko Yasui is one that i miss a lot, no one matches him as Iori's VA.
There are few that still on like the legends Harumi Ikoma (King) and Kong Kuwata (Geese and Genjuro).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on April 15, 2021, 09:46:44 PM
Man, they can't even give a grappler's throws the proper animation timing and impact. Well, most of them, at least. The suplexes seemed like they had a sense of weight behind them because there's a proper amount of buildup and anticipation, but overall... :-\
Yeah, this is some hokey bullshit. Why is this backyard mudshow company trying to expose the business like this? These Japanese cosplay wrestlers have ruined wrestling worse than Tony Khan. Back in the 80's, moves had real weight behind them. The Midnight Express would've made these moves look better than Charlotte Flair with a banana. What's next, is she gonna wrestle the fucking invisible man?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on April 15, 2021, 10:08:00 PM
She looks like a dominatrix, not a hooker c'mon.

About the VAs, sadly some of them are indeed not working for SNK anymore. Kunihiko Yasui is one that i miss a lot, no one matches him as Iori's VA.
There are few that still on like the legends Harumi Ikoma (King) and Kong Kuwata (Geese and Genjuro).


Here's me thinking King's VA was not the original one. :rolleyes5:


As for the costume, I dunno, I prefer classy Shermie.
The costume is the only negative thing I have to say about her, gameplay wise she looks great.
I do want Orochi Shermie back as well.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 15, 2021, 10:09:59 PM
Here's me thinking King's VA was not the original one. :rolleyes5:

I feel like the way she says "Baby" will always be a clue as to what VA she's got, just the way she says it

Also ngl the way King says Baby has more weight than any of Shermie's suplexes

As for the costume, I dunno, I prefer classy Shermie.

Max got me thinkin that way too lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on April 15, 2021, 10:15:55 PM
I can understand where you are comming from about the suplexes I do agree they are a tad bit light but hey, all around she looks great.
I hope they also brought back her taunt, I hated it back in the day and loved it at the same time lol.

I'm pretty happy in general how KOF XV looks tbh, looks really fun.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 15, 2021, 11:02:05 PM
What's next, is she gonna wrestle the fucking invisible man?
Nah she is gonna team up with something that looks like a middle schooler and have established stars job out to him further proving that the industry these days appeals to dumb marks who were not born to witness actual talent such as those in Karnov's Revenge.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 16, 2021, 04:27:40 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzD2yfSVUAIfIiM?format=jpg&name=large)

Here's me thinking King's VA was not the original one. :rolleyes5:

As for the costume, I dunno, I prefer classy Shermie.
The costume is the only negative thing I have to say about her, gameplay wise she looks great.
I do want Orochi Shermie back as well.

lol :v
Ikoma and Kuwata still there rocking! I can say that Ikoma's voice as King on XV sounds even better than previous games.

I want the Orochi forms of '97 New Faces aswell. Hope they'll not come as DLC.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 16, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
Of course classic voices are something... No one will replace Mai voice or Terry's one.
Shermie voice is so so... for some reason it wasn't really a problem when I saw it in SNK Heroines.

But in a n actual KOF, it makes me miss the classic voice. This one looks a bit bland.

Also, I was very worried about Shermie design, but she's definitely perfect. Yes, a bit more on the dominatrix side, but it could have been worse.
Also, it's quite a surprise they went that far in the sexy way. (I wish her design will not be tone down later)
Actually Mai have less fabric on her ^^

Again, the gameplay looks good beside of the lack of impact and weight on throws.
Also her Climax is a bit strange (but OK) I would imagine Shermie finishing off her opponent in a more "graceful" way.
Not sure if it's the right word.

Now, I'm curious to see hop they will redesign Chris. ^^

And one more time, I like the artworks...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 16, 2021, 05:36:52 PM
It was already posted, like two posts before yours.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: HexagoN on April 21, 2021, 04:56:33 PM
Omg I think was sleeping because I didn't know that Kof XV realeased a official trailer and neither characters trailers already.  :o
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 23, 2021, 01:48:28 PM
Don't know if someone posted this already, but here's the theme for Team Sacred Treasures.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 23, 2021, 02:14:49 PM
So, not character trailer this week ?
The teams have to recover from the hardwork they put in the masterpiece that is Shermie ? ^^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 23, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
There was the Hibiki trailer for SamSho yesterday. If the Youtube team can only deal with one game at a time, they'll really need to pick up the pace for this game...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 23, 2021, 03:57:03 PM
There was the Hibiki trailer for SamSho yesterday. If the Youtube team can only deal with one game at a time, they'll really need to pick up the pace for this game...

Yes, that's true, and what they did about Hibiki is awesome!

Just, I cannot wait for the future KOF trailers ^^;
But yes, indeed, they should not release these 2 trailers at the same time/week.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on April 23, 2021, 05:44:54 PM
probably taking their time. seems like some trailers that were released were still in really early stages.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on April 25, 2021, 11:53:32 AM
Maybe we'll get two in trailer like in KoF XIV, when Geese and Ryo were revealed at the same time.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on April 28, 2021, 04:18:08 AM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial_jp/status/1387225053058633730

Lots of comments saying it's Chris. I think so too but I'm hoping it's May Lee.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 28, 2021, 04:34:59 AM
I don't think this is even a question.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 28, 2021, 06:17:32 AM
For the pose, it's very clear who is. :v
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 28, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Obviously it's Chris.

But seeing how SNK make fun of us by editing the silhouette a bit to give fake clues...
Remember Shermie's hand becoming a fox/cat jumping of her shoulder...

But I cannot imagine it beeing someone else than Chris.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 28, 2021, 03:42:27 PM
Boring.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on April 28, 2021, 05:04:03 PM
For the pose, it's very clear who is. :v

could be a young brian battler who knows.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 28, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
Boring.

It was like on Mai's shadow. SNK didn't even try to hide lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: D.R.B on April 28, 2021, 09:57:39 PM
It's clearly Chris

Also, If Shermie isn't using her melons for offence and defence here again I'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 28, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
Also, If Shermie isn't using her melons for offence and defence here again I'll be disappointed.

Yes, I have this feeling they reduced her movelist. -_-
Also I have this bad feeling her design will be toned down... mostly because of some overeactions on social medias...
And some hm... specific artworks...

Hope for a good redesign for Chris, even if he's my less favourite from CYS
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 29, 2021, 01:59:43 AM
Chris is one of the most boring designs of kof, if they can make it even mildly interesting then more power to them.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 29, 2021, 04:00:21 AM


To the surprise of no one

And the delight of, well, me <3 <3

EDIT: Watching the trailer, I'm hyped. Music theme is great IMO, doesn't hold a candle to Bloody but I'm eager to hear a full arrangement.

Team name is Team Orochi, which makes sense. I doubt New Faces Team would've come back considering it would make less sense overall. Makes me wonder if they WILL get their Orochi forms during the game.

Chris has a simple design still but I found him interesting in this trailer at least. Also his special intros with Yashiro and Shermie are back, which is a huge plus. <3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on April 29, 2021, 04:14:16 AM
Kurisu is gonna dominate the meta isn't he.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 29, 2021, 04:27:51 AM
Question: are these guys actually evil while pretending to be good or do they just get possessed in their Orochi forms?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on April 29, 2021, 04:30:45 AM
Question: are these guys actually evil while pretending to be good or do they just get possessed in their Orochi forms?

In 97 they were mostly normal prior to being awakened to their true potential. Aside from Yashiro hating Iori for a petty reason yet wanting to brutalize him, and their demeanors having sinister undertones, foreshadowing their true natures, they were relatively average Joes compared to their Hakkesshu personas.

By the tourney's end, they end up awakening their Orochi powers, and they finally learn of their true destiny -- their personalities and fighting styles thoroughly change and they begin trying to resurrect Orochi (all three dying in the process).

Yashiro's trailer ultimately leads me to believe that they have no memory of what happened -- and I need to know how they came back to life since KOF XIII confirmed they returned to the living world prior to Verse even existing.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 29, 2021, 04:35:18 AM
SNK made him look even more like Justin Bieber and that makes me despise him even more.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 29, 2021, 04:42:41 AM
1/3 for the cursed saigado team
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 29, 2021, 04:59:33 AM
Not a fan of the suspenders hanging out, but he's alright.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on April 29, 2021, 09:03:33 AM


Team name is Team Orochi, which makes sense. I doubt New Faces Team would've come back considering it would make less sense overall. Makes me wonder if they WILL get their Orochi forms during the game.


It makes sense if their team name is Orochi Team, New Faces Team is for the new characters who will form a team in kofxv. I have a feeling that their Orochi forms will be as a seperate "non-cannon" DLC characters much like Iori in kof13.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 29, 2021, 09:16:16 AM
The redesign is a pretty ok to me.
I like the result.

Now, I hope they will not change them design-wise.
OK, for giving them more moves etc.

I think these 3 members are some of the best 3D worked characters, the job is done.

Damn, it will be long waiting to see more of these characters gameplay in action!! K', Shermie, Joe, Mai, Andy...
They have a strategy of "character confirm trailer" but we also want to know about the gameplay mechanics etc... ^^;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on April 29, 2021, 11:12:13 AM
The non-boss forms are just boring, and the team being called Team Orochi doesn't bode well for their true forms.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on April 29, 2021, 12:57:14 PM
Chris is for me a very wasted slot, but that's ONLY my taste. I however, see the potential for a M-F-M story in Saigado.

I hope Chris' fans are happy with him being in, specially if his moveset is updated.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 29, 2021, 01:23:20 PM
Question: are these guys actually evil while pretending to be good or do they just get possessed in their Orochi forms?

In 97 they were mostly normal prior to being awakened to their true potential. Aside from Yashiro hating Iori for a petty reason yet wanting to brutalize him, and their demeanors having sinister undertones, foreshadowing their true natures, they were relatively average Joes compared to their Hakkesshu personas.

By the tourney's end, they end up awakening their Orochi powers, and they finally learn of their true destiny -- their personalities and fighting styles thoroughly change and they begin trying to resurrect Orochi (all three dying in the process).

Yashiro's trailer ultimately leads me to believe that they have no memory of what happened -- and I need to know how they came back to life since KOF XIII confirmed they returned to the living world prior to Verse even existing.
Even in games where they weren't alive anymore, Chris and Yashiro definitely have some sadistic or hateful vibe in how they speak, even though they behave like you would expect some average popular singers - and they're no different from the period where they were alive. (I don't remember much about Shermie, she's mostly just playful)
I'd say they were already at least bad people (the kind who would say "I wouldn't mind if a plague wiped out most of humanity" with a big smile) and they simply have a job in the entertainment industry with good social skills. Psychopathic tendencies in the pathological sense, basically. They're not genuinely good people who like to hang out with others but suddenly changed when they learned who they were. Most of their regular speech sound like average banter if you ignore the Orochi forms, but it just seems like the Orochi versions simply crank up the same rhetoric to the max.

Oh, regular Shermie has a battle quote (https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Shermie/Quotes) against Chris and Yashiro saying "this is where it all begins... and ends", which actually hints that they do know between themselves that things will end in death, even in their regular form.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on April 29, 2021, 02:43:15 PM
Question: are these guys actually evil while pretending to be good or do they just get possessed in their Orochi forms?

stealing someone else's gig is pretty evil.

i'm guessing their orochi forms will be in the game, did anybody notice they've got a purple flame effect in their team announcement? others have screen cracking effects theyre the only ones with a special one.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on April 29, 2021, 03:45:41 PM
Hm, right. Chizuru's trailer with the "team sacred treasure" card had regular burn effects and nothing else, Fatal Fury had just the previous screen crack and shatter to reveal the team with no other effect, and this one has purple flames and I think I also see lightning very briefly behind the flame, around the center. There's also some sort of light particles that could be about Yashiro (that the other teams didn't have either).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on April 29, 2021, 04:05:10 PM
OK!
So looking at their official name being Orochi, It hints me one thing that they are back for good and may remember past events. Thus having Sacred Treasures officially enter makes sense because to make sure real Orochi remains sealed.
Quote
Even in games where they weren't alive anymore, Chris and Yashiro definitely have some sadistic or hateful vibe in how they speak, even though they behave like you would expect some average popular singers - and they're no different from the period where they were alive. (I don't remember much about Shermie, she's mostly just playful)
I'd say they were already at least bad people (the kind who would say "I wouldn't mind if a plague wiped out most of humanity" with a big smile) and they simply have a job in the entertainment industry with good social skills. Psychopathic tendencies in the pathological sense, basically. They're not genuinely good people who like to hang out with others but suddenly changed when they learned who they were. Most of their regular speech sound like average banter if you ignore the Orochi forms, but it just seems like the Orochi versions simply crank up the same rhetoric to the max.

Oh, regular Shermie has a battle quote against Chris and Yashiro saying "this is where it all begins... and ends", which actually hints that they do know between themselves that things will end in death, even in their regular form.
Their design basis is pretty much one thing, the eerie mystery all three have about them. I remember watchin a video explaining the lore about the three, SHERMIE eyes are hidden all the time, Chris being durable for early teenage year kid and Yashiro may be that cool guy but you don't know how pissed off he is at you for some reason. In way they have a dark side that you know you want want to confront. Yashiro subconsciously awakened his due to Iori's band taking their spot.

Well now who's next?

Unless Yamazaki is confirmed then lets wait and see...lastly the song feels familiar like its mish mash of KOF 12 themes with Neowave...thats the vibe I get. But yeah I love this new theme.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on April 29, 2021, 06:26:35 PM
It's a decent update to Chris it seems... I love that his intros with the rest of the team are in there too. :)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on April 29, 2021, 11:33:47 PM
Not too bad. They have been going all out with amazing designs for the rest of the characters, so Chris actually looking decent is applauding.

Who's next?
Still holding out hope for Duck King.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 30, 2021, 01:56:09 AM
It's a decent update to Chris it seems... I love that his intros with the rest of the team are in there too. :)

This I can agree with, even if I'm not a fan of the torn sleeve.

Who's next?
Still holding out hope for Duck King.

I just want Kasumi and Gato back.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on April 30, 2021, 02:37:03 AM


Who's next?
Still holding out hope for Duck King.

I just want Kasumi and Gato back.

I believe Kasumi will be part of the game. Don't know who she would be paired up with, but probably the woman's team, but I'd love for her to be on a team with Temjin from Art of Fighting 2. He is the most out of left-field dream pick of mine for this game, since I really would love to see classic SNK characters come back. Maybe Kasumi, Temjin and Lee Pai Long?

Gato is awesome as well. I could see him with Rock Howard and Hotaru.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on April 30, 2021, 05:26:45 AM
I just want Kasumi and Gato back.

I believe Kasumi will be part of the game. Don't know who she would be paired up with, but probably the woman's team, but I'd love for her to be on a team with Temjin from Art of Fighting 2. He is the most out of left-field dream pick of mine for this game, since I really would love to see classic SNK characters come back. Maybe Kasumi, Temjin and Lee Pai Long?

Gato is awesome as well. I could see him with Rock Howard and Hotaru.

If Kasumi were to return, realistically, I would hope that it's with the Anti-Kyokugen team from KOF XI (Kasumi, Malin and Eiji).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on April 30, 2021, 08:56:53 AM
Orochi Team!
They're back!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on April 30, 2021, 02:51:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0L9PM8VoAA-45t?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on April 30, 2021, 03:05:44 PM


Now this is something I truly wasn't expecting to see; Quite nice. :P
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 30, 2021, 03:39:58 PM
"Reformed"

Curious to see what this actually entails.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on April 30, 2021, 03:45:33 PM
I can't wait to see who will be the next one!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 30, 2021, 07:10:47 PM
Hopefully a new face. I mean, I loved seeing the returning characters, specially Chizuru, but it would be great to see someone we haven't seen yet.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on April 30, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
Yeah, we can go for that....though who will be coming back to last game intact (new characters)?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 01, 2021, 01:54:46 AM
Its safe to assume that at least 90% of the previous game's roster is coming back. Love Heart and Mui Mui both got retconned, Tung stepped down in favor of Benimaru and its likely the secretaries aren't returning as well.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on May 01, 2021, 02:36:11 AM
so love heart and mui mui arent canon anymore?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on May 01, 2021, 03:11:23 AM
Its safe to assume that at least 90% of the previous game's roster is coming back.

That's terrible news if someone wants a Twinkle Star Sprites team.

Though I don't mind them dropping that other magical girl whom I consider a Tesse rip off.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 01, 2021, 08:50:34 AM
so love heart and mui mui arent canon anymore?

Due to them being from Pachinko titles and they were sold off to another company which got backrupt as well... Lover Heart was the one dont know about the MuiMui.

Theoratically if they cannot come back then, both can be replaced by Yuki from Last Blade  and any random female character from other games (Neo Geo).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 01, 2021, 01:38:52 PM
Anyone else tired of waiting week after week just for one character?

I wish they just released teams like XIV or at least multiple characters in each trailers.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 01, 2021, 02:09:38 PM
Anyone else tired of waiting week after week just for one character?

I wish they just released teams like XIV or at least multiple characters in each trailers.

Same here...
Particularly when you have to wait one week or more "just" to have Chris that we all expected. ^^;
I really wish they speed up the process...
Also, I want them to show some newcomers... Good ones!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on May 01, 2021, 03:04:24 PM
Anyone else tired of waiting week after week just for one character?
I have no objection on this tbh  :mlol:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on May 03, 2021, 10:07:06 PM
Anyone else tired of waiting week after week just for one character?
(https://i.imgur.com/MATAHXy.png)

Weren't you around in 2016? This is T H E   H Y P E    T R A I N ™

The whole point of releasing characters one by one and revealing what team they belong to adds to the speculation. And speculation, my friend, that's free marketing right there.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 04, 2021, 03:05:45 PM
Here is the new theme for Team Orochi....it is actually nice.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NGeo on May 04, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
lets see if the orochi personas get their own trailer or hopefully they are in game
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on May 05, 2021, 04:28:01 AM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1389761768004755457

Ash?

Edit:
There's a part of me that wishes its the 2 grannies in Groove On Fight. XD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 05, 2021, 04:35:57 AM
The pose makes me think of a flying kick from someone like Kim (with some very large long sleeves instead of rolled up to the shoulders) but I can't tell who the head is supposed to be. Even that leg on the left side seems exaggerated for Kim. It just looks like two whole people. They're just coming up with the weirdest portraits to force this whole silhouette tease to work.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 05, 2021, 04:40:35 AM
Duo Lon
Except this time Duo is pronounced duo cause two heads



In all seriousness, current thoughts -- Ralf and Clark with redesigns.

EDIT: Looking it over and it looks like two whole people but I can also see it being one person? I dunno this image is messing with my head.

EDIT EDIT: OKAY I THINK I GOT IT. It's Ryo.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 05, 2021, 05:05:58 AM
The left head is the actual head, the middle is this person raising their fist with angry, with something like a jacket hanging on.

Pissed Off Biker Ryo?  Nelson redesigned?  Could also be K'.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 05, 2021, 05:31:19 AM
Could be either Nelson or Yamazaki.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 05, 2021, 06:00:40 AM
I'm between Ryo or Yamazaki. I don't think will be two characters in one trailer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Niitris on May 05, 2021, 06:29:07 AM
For the sake of pacing I hope it's two characters
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 05, 2021, 07:30:21 AM
I would love it to be 2 characters, but it's DEFINITELY Yamazaki (or someone) 's coat sleeve going up with wind or something

only one character...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on May 05, 2021, 02:30:08 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1389761768004755457

Ash?

Edit:
There's a part of me that wishes its the 2 grannies in Groove On Fight. XD
it could be two of the kyo clones who appeared in 99 with different hairstyle :mlol: btw, shouldn't it be "The next Fighters are" instead of "The next Fighter is"? not sure if SNk giving typo error or trolling us though  :-X
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 05, 2021, 03:15:18 PM
The far right side of the silhouette looks like a foot. I think I see toes.
I think the 2nd head(?) is a kneecap, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on May 05, 2021, 03:29:32 PM
As crazy as the silhouette actually got this time, I got convinced by some tweets that it will probably just turn out to be Yamazaki using his intro coat, or something:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty



I would like to be wrong, though;

maybe it's another SNK veteran with some really wacky perspective going on his portrait... like this dude:
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Or... even more crazy...

it could actually be...

...

a brand new character. :fear:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 05, 2021, 04:07:11 PM
Or... even more crazy...

it could actually be...

...

a brand new character. :fear:

Get the fuck outta here with that conspiracy theory bullshit



In all seriousness, a new character would be interesting... I kinda forgot all the trailers have just been for veterans. I suppose the long-time-absent-returnees in the form of Chizuru and Team Orochi make up the "newcomers".

Honestly I wonder if the "newcomers" to this roster will be mostly made up of returning characters who either died long ago and have been revived by Verse's defeat (such as Rugal, Gaidel, and Igniz, among others) or characters who have been absent from the games for a long time (such as Chizuru).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Troy99 on May 05, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
it's nelson. lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 05, 2021, 06:25:12 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1389761768004755457

Ash?

Edit:
There's a part of me that wishes its the 2 grannies in Groove On Fight. XD

Imagine this one being K9999 /Loushi! I mean the guy sported a Cape/Jacket
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: D.R.B on May 05, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1389761768004755457

Could it be a guest characetr
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on May 06, 2021, 12:02:58 AM
Could be someone that's PREDICTABO.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 06, 2021, 01:19:12 AM
It could be a bag of chips.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 06, 2021, 03:14:30 AM
Almost there... I'm starting to believe it could be Nelson. I don't really want it to be since... I'm not too invested in his character lol

I hope, if it is him, they make him more interesting

EDIT: Well, uh



I WAS HALF RIGHT.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on May 06, 2021, 04:04:11 AM
I think I saw kohou shippuu ken and renbu ken, but no mouko raijin setsu...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on May 06, 2021, 04:06:55 AM
ook no bad Ryu is a tank now
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 06, 2021, 04:09:59 AM
Ryo's design I like, for the most part. I like his hair.

I don't like how he runs like a fuckin' meathead tho.

Robert looks pretty damn hot.

Currently questioning what team Yuri will be on now. I assume Women Fighters Team with Mai and... some other female. Maybe Kasumi. Idk.

If Mai gets put on some other team before we find out what team Yuri is on then I'm really gonna be asking what the fuck lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Nemuresu on May 06, 2021, 04:11:06 AM
Well, if there's any solace to take up from this is the possibility of more dual announcements. Would make the wait much easier.

There's only one thing that actually intrigues me and that's the fact that King is now in the AoF team. Whoever's joining Mai and Yuri in the Women's team better be someone who hasn't had a spotlight in years.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 06, 2021, 04:11:45 AM
I refuse to believe Alice is that immensely popular that she will return and form Women's Fighters with Yuri and Mai.

Who am I kidding she and Sylvie got flipping alts in All Stars.  Their return is imminent.

Nice to see Ryo and OH SHIT it's Robert both manifest Sunny D in their bloodstream like the rest seriously why is that horrid FX still there
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 06, 2021, 05:19:35 AM
Huh. Didn't see King forming a team with Ryo and Robert coming.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 06, 2021, 06:51:41 AM
My goodness Robert's skin is super smooth.

Ryo's still the same XD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 06, 2021, 07:01:15 AM
Ok one step closer to pushing Ryo and King into making babies. I dig. (On the flipside I’m kind of bummed that they didn’t follow up with the Ryo and Marco teamup the AOF team ending in XIV alluded to. Guess that was a dead end).

Stache Robert is still cursed as fuck though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 06, 2021, 10:19:21 AM
Well, if there's any solace to take up from this is the possibility of more dual announcements. Would make the wait much easier.

There's only one thing that actually intrigues me and that's the fact that King is now in the AoF team. Whoever's joining Mai and Yuri in the Women's team better be someone who hasn't had a spotlight in years.

This marks the first time since 2000 & XI to have King with AOF team. But technically the first in canon(& to an extent KOF EX) to have Ryo team up with two kicking specialists. This was unexpected as my mind was on Yuri being final member until the reveal.
As far as Mai and Yuri goes chances are we might get old face back or maybe the third team member could likely be Nakoruru, if Pachinko girls are not coming at all. Alice is predictable to be there but shattering expectation would  be Kasumi, Maylee, B.Jenet, Hotaru Futaba, Malin, Hinako or Mary.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 06, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
I'm.... surprised.

But if they keep up with 2 characters trailers, it's a good thing.
Not sure they will keep up with this.

Still not fond of the musketeer-like facial hair style for Robert, but still both od them looks good!

Again, I can't wait for the next ones...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on May 06, 2021, 10:56:42 AM
I guess either Robert and Yuri (Robert and Yuri are a couple now) got a plan to get Ryo and King together or Mai wants Yuri back on her team or both.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on May 06, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Still not fond of the musketeer-like facial hair style for Robert
Wrong reference! Check this out

(https://i.imgur.com/a44vrnB.png)

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Troy99 on May 06, 2021, 05:18:31 PM
ryo and robert silhouette was altered so much to the point where it looked like one char with boxing gloves with a hanging jacket lol.

i'm guessing women fighters team will be yuri, mai and mary. if they put alice to women fighters mary will be cucked to DLC once again, i don't think SNK wanna push pachinko characters further.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 06, 2021, 05:33:17 PM
Still not fond of the musketeer-like facial hair style for Robert
Wrong reference! Check this out

(https://i.imgur.com/a44vrnB.png)


That's more accurate. ^^

ryo and robert silhouette was altered so much to the point where it looked like one char with boxing gloves with a hanging jacket lol.

i'm guessing women fighters team will be yuri, mai and mary. if they put alice to women fighters mary will be cucked to DLC once again, i don't think SNK wanna push pachinko characters further.


I hope for Mary in Women Fighters Team aswell Troy.

Well, i'm very surprised and happy that King is on AOF Team again like in KOF XI. Curious how should be her interaction with Ryo cause AOF Team's ending in XI had that tension between them.

About Ryo and Robert. I didn't like Ryo's run animation, not at all! Probably because he's a freakin' tank again, like in XIII. Robert looks great again.

But something i noticed about Ryo's Ko-ou Ken and Robert's Ryuu-Geki Ken.
(https://i.imgur.com/PyElaXN.png)(https://i.imgur.com/yKVbsXF.png)
Both FX are misaligned, looks like they're coming from under their arms. Also the visual effect of them looks awful.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on May 06, 2021, 05:51:39 PM
Never have I ever wanted to play Robert more than in this game. DAMN SNK.

I don't know. Blue Mary could fit on a lot of different teams than just the Womans team, and if she's in the game, she got to be destined for base game. Being a DLC character twice in a row is a shitty move by anyone, and I believe most game developers know that. However, that does mean previous base game characters "can" make DLC.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 06, 2021, 05:56:32 PM
Never have I ever wanted to play Robert more than in this game. DAMN SNK.

I don't know. Blue Mary could fit on a lot of different teams than just the Womans team, and if she's in the game, she got to be destined for base game. Being a DLC character twice in a row is a shitty move by anyone, and I believe most game developers know that. However, that does mean previous base game characters "can" make DLC.

Atleast she wont be teaming with Yamazaki and Billy anytime! Wonder if any of guest characters from All Stars will pop up?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 06, 2021, 06:14:07 PM
Still not fond of the musketeer-like facial hair style for Robert
Wrong reference! Check this out

(https://i.imgur.com/a44vrnB.png)

Yes, it is some fitting reference.
Since he wears this musketeer style since the end of the '90 ^^


Also, I hope Blue Mary to have a slight different redesign perhaps based on her RB incarnation...
I didn't liked this much her white sneakers style to match this trend... ^^;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on May 06, 2021, 06:29:07 PM
Blue Mary in her RBS outfit would be nice.

So, it seems that there's an autoguard mechanic to the CD/Blowback attacks now? Or at least a variation that acts like a sort of Focus Attack...
Was actually nice to see Ryo connect with the Kohou after the Shippu, but for me? Robert all the way.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on May 07, 2021, 11:02:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0wAMkUVIAIQBgu?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 08, 2021, 12:34:33 AM
So, it seems that there's an autoguard mechanic to the CD/Blowback attacks now? Or at least a variation that acts like a sort of Focus Attack...

This type of mechanic was in KOF Neowave tho.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on May 08, 2021, 11:42:48 AM
This type of mechanic was in KOF Neowave tho.

It was? Must admit, I didn't really get to play Neowave as it never hit the arcades here and I didn't bother with the console port.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 09, 2021, 06:20:05 AM
It was? Must admit, I didn't really get to play Neowave as it never hit the arcades here and I didn't bother with the console port.

Yep. ;)


It was in one of the three mechanic options, the "Guard Break Mode".
Glad that SNK took something from this underrated KOF.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 09, 2021, 10:56:25 PM
I wouldn't say it's underrated. Neowave was SNK throwing  out random ideas especially since it was on Atomiswave and they had an extra 5th button to play with. The only notable thing about it was Young Geese being the final boss.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on May 12, 2021, 05:09:11 AM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1392298484187992065

First impression tell me it's Leona. One comment says it's Kasumi.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 12, 2021, 07:16:05 AM
I think it's Leona.
Her ponytail is too high for it to be Kazumi.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 12, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
RREOANA HEIDERNUU
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 12, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
100% Leona. Unless SNK makes fun of us... again... ^^
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on May 12, 2021, 02:54:48 PM
apple juice!!!

it's definitely leona but i do hope she will look better than she looked from earlier trailers.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 12, 2021, 03:12:29 PM
apple juice!!!

it's definitely leona but i do hope she will look better than she looked from earlier trailers.

Yes! I hope so!
Also, I still feel like she looks very "fragile" (in KOFXIV and early XV) or something compared to all her other incarnations...
But, yes, people seems to like very  very thin girls with "oversized" boobs.
(just my point of view - perhaps my words are not the best to express it.)

I think Capcom would make a great redesign of Leona if they had the chance to...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 12, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
Please be Kasumi.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 12, 2021, 04:09:43 PM
Yes Kasumi just so they make her newly acquired lava summoning abilities canon.

Still not fond of the musketeer-like facial hair style for Robert
Wrong reference! Check this out

(https://i.imgur.com/a44vrnB.png)


Oh shit it's Robert from King of Fighters
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: rgveda99 on May 12, 2021, 04:39:04 PM
I'm wishing it's Kasumi too but SNK refuses to put May Lee there and I think they're going for a complete KOF98 roster with the new teams from the last game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on May 12, 2021, 08:47:55 PM
It's either the end of the womans team with Kasumi, or it's the start of Ikari Warriors.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 12, 2021, 09:49:42 PM
I was thinking the hair was way too short to be Kasumi, but I checked the original trailer again that shows Leona, and her hair is actually noticeably longer. Plus this teaser doesn't seem to be wearing those thick gloves Leona has.
Then again they clearly turned everything smooth in that teaser image again so whatever. I'm assuming it's Leona because she was in the trailer but they could reveal this teaser to be Choi and I wouldn't bat an eye at this point.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 12, 2021, 10:45:46 PM
I was thinking the hair was way too short to be Kasumi, but I checked the original trailer again that shows Leona, and her hair is actually noticeably longer. Plus this teaser doesn't seem to be wearing those thick gloves Leona has.
Then again they clearly turned everything smooth in that teaser image again so whatever. I'm assuming it's Leona because she was in the trailer but they could reveal this teaser to be Choi and I wouldn't bat an eye at this point.

So true!

also, the pose really reminds me of Leona. (edit : more specifically I mean)
But yes, no surprise if it's even a totally different character.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 12, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
The pose works for both Leona and Kasumi, so I wouldn't be surprised with either.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Jmorphman on May 13, 2021, 04:08:15 AM

I really don't want to continue to be a Debbie Downer here, but all of her supers look legitimately atrocious and it's insanely dispiriting to see that they have not only learned nothing about animating in 3D from XIV, but that they continue to make the exact same mistakes as they keep bringing in older characters/moves.

like for fuck's sake, how do you make the Kamen Rider super happen in the span of a single second... and have her say "sayonara" after the explosion already happened?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 13, 2021, 04:21:13 AM
So what you're saying is you don't approve of her Supers created from minty fresh mouthwash.

Yea this is totally gonna be on the final product, isn't it
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on May 13, 2021, 04:31:48 AM
Leona's nothing special because she's still in her kof xiv outfit
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 13, 2021, 04:43:50 AM
You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?

Heck, they did it before in KOF'96 and those sprites still can hold to today's standards.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Nexus Games on May 13, 2021, 05:00:04 AM
they could of done so much more for her.....she just looks plain....besides a model over haul, they really did nothing special for her....i don't know if i can get excited anymore for any returning characters from 14...it's just character imports with upgraded visuals
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 13, 2021, 06:52:15 AM
You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game. Also, there is a reason why they're doing this: its cheap. Simple as that, its already done, they just have to import it instead of remaking it. I will say, though, that since they're doing that, I see no reason for them to not bring the entire KoF XIV roster (save for the ones they can't, like, apparently, the girls that teamed up with Nakoruru), which means they should at least try to promote more new stuff. Instead of making one trailer per character, make one trailer per team that is returning from KoF XIV and give solo trailers to the new characters (or characters that haven't been seen in a while).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: RagingRowen on May 13, 2021, 07:56:02 AM
I don't see that much to rant about here. The distinct lack of hitpause is hella awkward though, like Jmorph said.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 13, 2021, 08:17:53 AM
And.... It's Leona.
To be honest, the Kasumi theory was not even an option for me, considering the picture, again, unless they really edited it a lot like shermie CAT-HAND...

You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?

Heck, they did it before in KOF'96 and those sprites still can hold to today's standards.

One reply... For saving money and making it faster... -_-
But I feel like you CYS is really a masterpiece when most of the characters present in the previous game still lack of dynamism (sometimes the model is not even that good)

I compare it to Tekken on some points, when in Tekken 3, you can see new characters like Xiaoyu or Hwoarang pretty well animated when old characters still have weird animations from Tekken 1 and Tekken 2... And they kept many of these strange animation until Tekken Tag 2, with a big update of animations. But even in Tekken 7 some animations from Tekken 1 are almost untouched.

@Kolossoni.
You're right, definitely!
I feel Leona very bland, seems like they didn't changed her model so much. This is clearly the character that deserves a redesign. (MY opinion)
I'm not a leona specialist, but I can see her fighting style have not progressed that much since the previous game...

Hope the next character announcement will actually shatter something...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 13, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
Yeah... I mean, a lot of people DID expect Chizuru and CYS, so... the expectations aren't exactly shattered.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 13, 2021, 09:49:33 AM
You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game. Also, there is a reason why they're doing this: its cheap. Simple as that, its already done, they just have to import it instead of remaking it. I will say, though, that since they're doing that, I see no reason for them to not bring the entire KoF XIV roster (save for the ones they can't, like, apparently, the girls that teamed up with Nakoruru), which means they should at least try to promote more new stuff. Instead of making one trailer per character, make one trailer per team that is returning from KoF XIV and give solo trailers to the new characters (or characters that haven't been seen in a while).

I mean... of course. It's SNK we're talking about here....
My point is, CYS looks at least 2018-ish while Leona still remains in the 2013/14 era.

Also, Yashiro and Chris never had 3D animations done by SNK themselves. The only iterations of them in 3D was done by All Stars which is Netmarble's not SNK's.
Shermie was in Girl Frenzy or smth, but her movements were improved drastically for 15. There's a YT video comparing the two.

My only hope is for them to wake up and smell the 2021 (which is in it's first half already) air.
They sold their rights for more investment and yet they seem so cheap regarding actually spending resources.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 13, 2021, 11:26:28 AM
Honestly, animations looking reused/cheap makes sense when you think about it. SNK isn't exactly that big of a company especially considering they've been bankrupt twice. It also doesn't do them any favors that their biggest franchises they have are Fighting games. Every other major FG dev has something else to fall back on and can afford nicer animations.
Wouldn't be surprised.if they can't afford to splurge on their big game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 13, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
Honestly, animations looking reused/cheap makes sense when you think about it. SNK isn't exactly that big of a company especially considering they've been bankrupt twice. It also doesn't do them any favors that their biggest franchises they have are Fighting games. Every other major FG dev has something else to fall back on and can afford nicer animations.
Wouldn't be surprised.if they can't afford to splurge on their big game.

That's a reasonable statement, lets hope we get a better trailer next week showcasing anything else like the staff take and overview on KOF XV development.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 13, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
I don't see a next dev talk video happening before E3 or late July.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on May 13, 2021, 01:37:21 PM
We all knew it's Leona.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 13, 2021, 02:12:28 PM
Welp, all we gotta do is wait for Ralf and Clark (and/or Whip) to come in now.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: k6666orochi on May 13, 2021, 02:47:16 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 13, 2021, 03:46:44 PM
You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game.

Not only that, they also recycled animations from other characters. Just look at Shermie and Chris's climaxes, they're just the climaxes from Vice and Kim from the previous game slightly adapted.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on May 13, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
When we still talk about Kasumi, here is what I would dream for them to do!
Hear me out on this one. Not saying it's in the world ever likely, but it's a dream of something like this to happen.


(https://i.imgur.com/cjVjnVU.png)

Kasumi Todoh is the most likely out of the three to make it as a playable. And she is the most popular of them. She is a great counter character.
Lee Pai Long would serve as the quick and nimble assassin guy with chinese martial arts. (Vega type Claw x 2).
Temjin would be the stubby strong one to round out the cast and create great diversity. It would also give both him and LPL a chance to shine again.

My favourite part about the grouping is that it includes an Art of Fighting character from each game! Lee from AoF 1, Temjin from AoF 2 and Kasumi from AoF 3.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 13, 2021, 08:41:47 PM
Please take your dream to the back and shoot it.
Make sure you burn the corpse.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on May 13, 2021, 10:06:21 PM
You can clearly tell that they just imported her XIV movements just like the Mai and the others. Stiff & Bland.
Why won't they reanimate the entire roster like Yashiro, Chris and Shermie?
Yashiro, Chris and Shermie don't really look that superior to the others, to be completely honest, and I'm pretty sure they use some animations from the mobile game.

Not only that, they also recycled animations from other characters. Just look at Shermie and Chris's climaxes, they're just the climaxes from Vice and Kim from the previous game slightly adapted.

as someone whos datamined, extracted and looked at the kofas models and anims


no, they didnt reuse their anims for the new faces team. all of them are new
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Niitris on May 14, 2021, 02:37:20 AM
Quote
animation
I wish SNK would tinker with the animations too. They have a plain look to them at times, and the "stylization" has a jarring look in 3d. Majority of the motion libraries were made with KoF XII sprites in mind, where the posing lacks aggression in certain places. They also tween too fast (not SFIV bad but it's there), and you end up losing the distinct key frames for certain attacks and grabs. Choregraphing could use improvement as well.

"Dragon Punch-type" moves are animated really nicely. They have aggressive posing, and the recovery is tweened in a way where you can see the recovery motion. They're some of my favorite moves to look it in 3d kof.

Btw SNK don't do motion capture, all animations are handcrafted.

I compare it to Tekken on some points, when in Tekken 3, you can see new characters like Xiaoyu or Hwoarang pretty well animated when old characters still have weird animations from Tekken 1 and Tekken 2... And they kept many of these strange animation until Tekken Tag 2, with a big update of animations. But even in Tekken 7 some animations from Tekken 1 are almost untouched.
Don't want to digress too much, but Namco knew that those old animations sucked. Tekken 1 and 2 had no motion data (3 was the first game to have it), they use mocap as a guide but everything is done by hand. They changed the ones that were most necessary (Flash Punch Combo is a good example), while keeping vital legacy attacks intact.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on May 14, 2021, 02:45:48 AM
of all the characters trailers on kofxv, leona's my least favorite mainly because that's the 2nd time her current attire is still here
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 14, 2021, 08:43:01 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1UEXG2VkAQFD-0.jpg)

So her story may revolve around Gaidel this time as a standalone plot.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 14, 2021, 09:00:25 AM
Considering he came back to life with Verse's defeat... yeah, I'm very eager to see her story in this one.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 14, 2021, 09:28:40 AM
Quote
animation
I wish SNK would tinker with the animations too. They have a plain look to them at times, and the "stylization" has a jarring look in 3d. Majority of the motion libraries were made with KoF XII sprites in mind, where the posing lacks aggression in certain places. They also tween too fast (not SFIV bad but it's there), and you end up losing the distinct key frames for certain attacks and grabs. Choregraphing could use improvement as well.

"Dragon Punch-type" moves are animated really nicely. They have aggressive posing, and the recovery is tweened in a way where you can see the recovery motion. They're some of my favorite moves to look it in 3d kof.

Btw SNK don't do motion capture, all animations are handcrafted.

I compare it to Tekken on some points, when in Tekken 3, you can see new characters like Xiaoyu or Hwoarang pretty well animated when old characters still have weird animations from Tekken 1 and Tekken 2... And they kept many of these strange animation until Tekken Tag 2, with a big update of animations. But even in Tekken 7 some animations from Tekken 1 are almost untouched.
Don't want to digress too much, but Namco knew that those old animations sucked. Tekken 1 and 2 had no motion data (3 was the first game to have it), they use mocap as a guide but everything is done by hand. They changed the ones that were most necessary (Flash Punch Combo is a good example), while keeping vital legacy attacks intact.

sure.
To me only the result counts.
Whatever mix up of method they use.
If they can do quality work and always try to improve the previous work = win
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 14, 2021, 03:33:29 PM
Ugh. People still with this Gaidel nonsense?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 14, 2021, 03:35:26 PM
Ugh. People still with this Gaidel nonsense?

How’s it nonsense?

His soul was inside of Verse. Given Ash and Orochi were both revived it’s likely to assume that the other souls inside revived as well. Especially considering Verse split into multiple pieces after his defeat.

Correct me if I’m wrong anyhow.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 14, 2021, 03:44:25 PM
Did SNK say anything official about Gaidel reviving ? Or is that a "everyone was inside Verse and revived so this one random guy will definitely be a part of XV's story" thing ?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Troy99 on May 14, 2021, 03:51:34 PM
I really don't want to continue to be a Debbie Downer here, but all of her supers look legitimately atrocious and it's insanely dispiriting to see that they have not only learned nothing about animating in 3D from XIV, but that they continue to make the exact same mistakes as they keep bringing in older characters/moves.

the problem is, they're reusing KOFXIII animations on 3D models. KOFXIII sprites were based on flat color 3D models, it worked for lower framerate animations, but both in XIV and XV they're absolutely ugly. hope they notice this.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 14, 2021, 04:13:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1UEXG2VkAQFD-0.jpg)

So her story may revolve around Gaidel this time as a standalone plot.

“Essential to the KOF storyline” but has done jackshit since the Orochi saga. Then again nobody has, at least everybody not named Kyo, Iori, K’, Ash, or anybody in their close-knit circle. I thought that XIV would change that but the main plot was pretty much just Shun’ei and I guess some Nakoruru. Kinda sucks that the Samsho character wound up being more important to the story than all of the veterans (except again for that dipshit Kyo). I think we’re all ready to have people like Terry, Ryo, Athena, and the Ikaris finally mean something to the plot.

Or at least a continuation of some of the older plots teased. When the hell are we getting on that dragon spirit plot with Kensou and Ron again? Been waiting like 20 years for that shit to take off, will probably end up waiting 20 more at this rate.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 14, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
Did SNK say anything official about Gaidel reviving ? Or is that a "everyone was inside Verse and revived so this one random guy will definitely be a part of XV's story" thing ?

It’s never been outright confirmed but Verse’s win quotes, coupled with most of not all of the endings in KOF XIV, suggest that all the souls that had been within him have revived. Ash and Orochi were shown having revived and it’s implied Verse himself is still around, albeit in a weaker state.

Maxima also says in one ending that he has readings from multiple energy sources (I believe) that relate to previous KOFs, which supports the possible and likely revival of Rugal, Igniz and Krizallid, all souls that were inside of Verse.

Considering the actual revivals and the implied revivals, I think it’s safe to assume Gaidel has come back as well, since his soul was inside of Verse and it would be weird to revive everyone but him.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 14, 2021, 05:01:40 PM
What you just said only tells me that what's safe to assume is they started from the desire to bring back the popular former characters outside of a dream match, starting with CYS and then surely Rugal, maybe others like Goenitz, and they gave us an explanation for it, but someone like Gaidel being created brand new that we've never even seen and doesn't even have a design is far lower of the list of expectations. You can have a headcanon that Gaidel is now alive again, but him showing up is absolutely not safe to assume.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 14, 2021, 05:56:20 PM
What you just said only tells me that what's safe to assume is they started from the desire to bring back the popular former characters outside of a dream match, starting with CYS and then surely Rugal, maybe others like Goenitz, and they gave us an explanation for it, but someone like Gaidel being created brand new that we've never even seen and doesn't even have a design is far lower of the list of expectations. You can have a headcanon that Gaidel is now alive again, but him showing up is absolutely not safe to assume.

Agree to disagree then. The ending(s) of KOF XV leave a lot of implications and I’m running with ‘em.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 14, 2021, 07:58:00 PM
I think we’re all ready to have people like Terry, Ryo, Athena, and the Ikaris finally mean something to the plot.
Not happening. Those guys have only been around out of tradition. They could completely miss a KOF and the plot wouldn't change. Well, the Ikaris could be an exception due to their involvement with K' team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on May 15, 2021, 12:41:20 AM
In that trailer, Leona has her "Heart attack" back. I feel that they will show the release date and platforms when they reveal the rest of the roster and features.

(PS4, PS5, and PC are the possible platforms)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 15, 2021, 02:33:33 AM
I think we’re all ready to have people like Terry, Ryo, Athena, and the Ikaris finally mean something to the plot.
Not happening. Those guys have only been around out of tradition. They could completely miss a KOF and the plot wouldn't change. Well, the Ikaris could be an exception due to their involvement with K' team.

Ironically, Kyo and Iori are going to wind up missing a KOF before them, as they almost did in KOF 99. People love these characters THAT much. Even if it is unlikely to happen, people would enjoy it, I'm pretty sure about that. It would give them some development after 20+ years of being static.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 15, 2021, 05:14:31 AM
Did SNK say anything official about Gaidel reviving ? Or is that a "everyone was inside Verse and revived so this one random guy will definitely be a part of XV's story" thing ?

In the manga, when Heidern figured out about people reviving, Leona was about to ask and Heidern says "I'm sorry, there's no any information about Gaidel."
I believe that Leona's "very important mission" will be something related to Gaidel.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on May 15, 2021, 06:29:51 AM
Is the manga canon to the series?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 15, 2021, 06:49:02 AM
Maybe not the manga -- but the Ikari Warriors Team ending in KOF XIV is essentially the same thing.

Heidern confirms a list of (at least) 36 known revived individuals, with no word on Gaidel at the time. Which confirms they're aware of his soul being within Verse, and that it did split from its body when Verse was defeated -- but Gaidel reviving is up in the air.

So, while I'm leaning towards him possibly being alive, it's possible that Leona's story in KOF XV will be searching for the answer to where Gaidel's soul has gone.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 15, 2021, 07:38:20 AM
Now I wonder if Mature & Vice will be back this time.

We have CYS coming back with lots of references to Orochi, but with Iori being part of the Sacred Treasures team, I also have my doubts.
I hope they come back. They're super popular and I love their aesthetics.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 15, 2021, 08:01:09 AM
I still think they’ll come back to form a team with Rugal.




I know that sounds like wishful thinking/fanfic territory but idc it’s my word and I’m sticking with it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 15, 2021, 10:11:35 AM
Ironically, Kyo and Iori are going to wind up missing a KOF before them, as they almost did in KOF 99. People love these characters THAT much. Even if it is unlikely to happen, people would enjoy it, I'm pretty sure about that. It would give them some development after 20+ years of being static.
And where are you coming from?
People love Terry, Ryo, Athena, Mai, etc.

It just means they're going to show up in KOF because people will cry if they don't.

Still doesn't mean they will have any relevance to the overall plot.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 15, 2021, 10:39:11 AM
Terry and Ryo will be relevant in a new FF / AOF / Garou game before they're relevant in KoF's story.
AKA never.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 15, 2021, 05:01:43 PM
Ironically, Kyo and Iori are going to wind up missing a KOF before them, as they almost did in KOF 99. People love these characters THAT much. Even if it is unlikely to happen, people would enjoy it, I'm pretty sure about that. It would give them some development after 20+ years of being static.
And where are you coming from?
People love Terry, Ryo, Athena, Mai, etc.

It just means they're going to show up in KOF because people will cry if they don't.

Still doesn't mean they will have any relevance to the overall plot.

Okay, that’s twice that you’ve not understood my point. How much clearer do I have to be? I’m not saying that they are ever going to have story relevance, but rather that people would love it if they actually did, for once. Doesn’t mean SNK is actually going to try it. I don’t know where in both of my posts you confused me for straight up saying that they’re going to have actual roles in the story this time around. The most I said was that it would be cool and people would love it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 15, 2021, 05:19:54 PM
Ironically, Kyo and Iori are going to wind up missing a KOF before them, as they almost did in KOF 99. People love these characters THAT much. Even if it is unlikely to happen, people would enjoy it, I'm pretty sure about that. It would give them some development after 20+ years of being static.
And where are you coming from?
People love Terry, Ryo, Athena, Mai, etc.

It just means they're going to show up in KOF because people will cry if they don't.

Still doesn't mean they will have any relevance to the overall plot.

Okay, that’s twice that you’ve not understood my point. How much clearer do I have to be? I’m not saying that they are ever going to have story relevance, but rather that people would love it if they actually did, for once. Doesn’t mean SNK is actually going to try it. I don’t know where in both of my posts you confused me for straight up saying that they’re going to have actual roles in the story this time around. The most I said was that it would be cool and people would love it.

Though I understand your point, like what Darkflare said: It ain't going to happen any time soon sadly.

Even though Kyo & Iori are extremely popular, their story arcs have canonically ended in 1997 (with the defeat of Orochi.)
K' ended in 2001 by defeating Igniz and Ash finished his in XIII.
The only factor that is driving them to keep their spots on the roster (except Ash, since he's canonically wiped from history) is their popularity.

Unless Geese comes back for Terry, Mr. Big for Ryo and etc, none of those characters have anything relevant in the current KOF's story line (AKA Shun'ei's).
That's why Team Hero is a thing and every other team's endings are non-canon...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Seadragon77 on May 15, 2021, 05:53:03 PM
Okay, now that Leona is in the game.. when do Ralf and Clark appear?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 15, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
Random prediction that's gonna be wrong again :
third Women Team fighter next week, then the first character of another team (prolly K' to finish the characters that are in the trailer), and then Ralf and Clark together the week after.
Even though Kyo & Iori are extremely popular, their story arcs have canonically ended in 1997 (with the defeat of Orochi.)
I disagree. They were Ash's target when he was stealing the Sacred Treasures (but then the story veered hard left with Saiki to give Ash a reason to be an anti-hero and somehow forgot what was the point of involving the Sacred Treasures, but in 03 and XI they were front and center with Ash as the villain), and in XIV they stopped Orochi's return in a cutscene, leading directly into XV with CYS and the Sacred Treasures reforming. Story-wise they're obviously teaming up to watch over team Orochi, so if something happens, they'll be on the front line again.
They're relevant and present in the story as poster boys of the franchise and people are still after them, although now they have become the macguffin themselves. We'll see if they actually do something in XV and if the Orochi team is also given a real point beside satisfying fan demands.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 15, 2021, 08:24:13 PM
Is the manga canon to the series?

According to Oda himself, it's semi-canon. Oda stated that many of the events in the manga will impact for KOF XV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 15, 2021, 10:18:33 PM
Ironically, Kyo and Iori are going to wind up missing a KOF before them, as they almost did in KOF 99. People love these characters THAT much. Even if it is unlikely to happen, people would enjoy it, I'm pretty sure about that. It would give them some development after 20+ years of being static.
And where are you coming from?
People love Terry, Ryo, Athena, Mai, etc.

It just means they're going to show up in KOF because people will cry if they don't.

Still doesn't mean they will have any relevance to the overall plot.

Okay, that’s twice that you’ve not understood my point. How much clearer do I have to be? I’m not saying that they are ever going to have story relevance, but rather that people would love it if they actually did, for once. Doesn’t mean SNK is actually going to try it. I don’t know where in both of my posts you confused me for straight up saying that they’re going to have actual roles in the story this time around. The most I said was that it would be cool and people would love it.
And my point was that you should take that dream of any non KOF-OC character having plot relevance in KOF and shoot it.

I disagree. They were Ash's target when he was stealing the Sacred Treasures (but then the story veered hard left with Saiki to give Ash a reason to be an anti-hero and somehow forgot what was the point of involving the Sacred Treasures, but in 03 and XI they were front and center with Ash as the villain),

I was under the impression that Ash stole the treasures to power himself up to take on Saiki when he inevitably betrayed him.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 15, 2021, 10:52:38 PM
Yeah, that's how it ended, but there was nothing in that power up that had anything to do with the Sacred Treasures. It could have been anything else. In the 03 and XI endings where he steals Chizuru"s and Iori's powers, and promises to come for Kyo next, it looked like the treasures would be actually relevant to what he was doing (especially after 03 made a point of showing what the mirror could do by creating Kusanagi and Maki, more story relevance that got wasted), and then it turns out he just needed a big power source that could have been anything and the Sacred Treasures happened to be there, and then Kyo's Treasure was ignored (did the sword even play a role in the defeat of Saiki ? I don't remember anything beside beating him up). That's why I said they ended up as a simple macguffin.
They even made flameless Iori which was a cool concept (ugly ass moves though beside the new Ya Otome and Yatagarasu) and in XII it looked like it would actually have a lasting effect, but then literally nothing happened and they even wiped Ash out of existence and rewound it all back. It's like they had two and a half cool ideas but couldn't figure out how to make them work together and then just dropped half of it to wrap it up (and that was when they made XII as half of what they wanted then XIII as the full game and they had to finish up everything before shutting down again).
And I'm not even counting the entire team of "those from the past" that were teased with Mukai but then straight up vanished without doing shit because they came up with them but then never actually used them (I think there's a chick who interferes with Magaki or Shion and that's it ? No ?).
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 15, 2021, 11:38:31 PM
And my point was that you should take that dream of any non KOF-OC character having plot relevance in KOF and shoot it.

Oh, you were just being a dick about it then. Kind of unnecessary to even reply to me in the first place then, could've just left me to my wild dreaming or something, but you do you.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 16, 2021, 12:41:18 AM
And you my friend, are very welcome.

Yeah, that's how it ended, but there was nothing in that power up that had anything to do with the Sacred Treasures. It could have been anything else. In the 03 and XI endings where he steals Chizuru"s and Iori's powers, and promises to come for Kyo next, it looked like the treasures would be actually relevant to what he was doing (especially after 03 made a point of showing what the mirror could do by creating Kusanagi and Maki, more story relevance that got wasted), and then it turns out he just needed a big power source that could have been anything and the Sacred Treasures happened to be there, and then Kyo's Treasure was ignored (did the sword even play a role in the defeat of Saiki ? I don't remember anything beside beating him up). That's why I said they ended up as a simple macguffin.
They even made flameless Iori which was a cool concept (ugly ass moves though beside the new Ya Otome and Yatagarasu) and in XII it looked like it would actually have a lasting effect, but then literally nothing happened and they even wiped Ash out of existence and rewound it all back. It's like they had two and a half cool ideas but couldn't figure out how to make them work together and then just dropped half of it to wrap it up (and that was when they made XII as half of what they wanted then XIII as the full game and they had to finish up everything before shutting down again).
And I'm not even counting the entire team of "those from the past" that were teased with Mukai but then straight up vanished without doing shit because they came up with them but then never actually used them (I think there's a chick who interferes with Magaki or Shion and that's it ? No ?).

I wouldn't be surprised if they had a story to connect it all better in the beginning but changed it in the end due to the time it took them between game releases (Especially the 5 year gap between XI and XIII). The members of TFTP definitely got shafted in representation since half their grouo was basically "they exist" and that was it.
But if we want to talk about missed potential, there's the dragon power with Kensou and Bao and how Ash Saga completely ignored it and they just remembered "oh yea, that's a thing".
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on May 19, 2021, 04:05:08 AM
Raft and Clark?  :juggle:
(https://i.ibb.co/71dbg3R/ralf.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 19, 2021, 04:12:14 AM
That or Clark is packing that Sieger arm.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on May 19, 2021, 04:29:08 AM
It's a hooded Duck King holding a spray-can.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Flowrellik on May 19, 2021, 04:32:21 AM
Man you got it all wrong!
This is Geese Howard in Bartender goose mode! (Left side is a drink mixer, right side is a head with a smallish beak)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 19, 2021, 03:58:59 PM
Well given the trajectory, Ikari Soldiers are going to rock another KOF! Although right now I would love to see any recent faces (from XIV) popup!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 19, 2021, 04:10:54 PM
What are you guys smoking?

It's a buffed up Alice holding her arm.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 19, 2021, 04:17:13 PM
We all know it can only be Bao...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on May 19, 2021, 04:49:21 PM
Raft and Clark?  :juggle:
(https://i.ibb.co/71dbg3R/ralf.png)

yeah, with both of them wearing dog tags like they did previous game
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on May 19, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
Really obvious, it's Sora from King of Them Hearts.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 19, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
It's clearly Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on May 20, 2021, 04:13:17 AM
 :nuttrox:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on May 20, 2021, 04:28:10 AM
Alright, this is not a cameo status at this point - Metal Slug just got fully and officially integrated into a mainline KOF. :wth:

That whole stage is just... so beautiful :qq:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 20, 2021, 04:40:27 AM
Bro no seas mamon, a Metal Slug stage? Specifically the opening stage from the best Metal Slug game of all? That's some serious love on the part of SNK. Yes, a million times yes. It's the best looking stage so far, by far.

Ralf and Clark look as expected. The trailer was mostly Clark beating the shit out of Ralf, just like the AOF trailer was mostly Robert beating the shit out of Ryo. Is this going to be a thing from now on?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: HexagoN on May 20, 2021, 04:46:41 AM
WOW that Metal Slug stage is freaking beautiful! I love it! I was not expecting that, yes SNK <3 <3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 20, 2021, 04:51:50 AM
METAL SLUG STAGE HOLY SHIT!!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 20, 2021, 04:57:20 AM
Can we acknowledge that this trailer had, like, no sudden jump cuts?

ALSO METAL SLUG STAGE AHHHH.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: no1wammy on May 20, 2021, 05:01:28 AM
Is it possible we might get an actual Metal Slug player? Found this quote on Twitter quite interesting:

OG-Man said:
This MAY BE A LONG SHOT but a Metal Slug stage could mean a Team Metal Slug to replace Team Other World. The Team could either be three of the four leads or Marco, Fio and Marspeople because they're in past SNK fighting games. #KOFXV #KOF15

Marspeople was the first Metal Slug character to appear in a fighting game, SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos.

Fio appeared in The King Of Fighters: Maximum Impact II as a secret character.

Marco appeared in Neo Geo Battle Colliseum.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 20, 2021, 06:25:33 AM
Well, if a Metal Slug character shows up, its definitely not on their team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 20, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
Not really impressed by their appearance or something, just like for Leona...
Even if I usuallt like Clark. I mean in the more classic KOF versions...

Looks pretty decent.
The good thing is we don't have to wait one more week, we can go on with another character/another team...

Yes, metal slug. Good to see it.
I'm pretty sure it will make some people pretty glad, I'm ok with this stage. Looks fresh.

I think we cannot expect Marco Rossi or something... But It would have been interesting since we saw him in NGBC in the past...
I feel the same for Kisarah or MudMan...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on May 20, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
In the cut NESTS plotline Igniz was gonna go to Mars. This stage confirms that Mars People are canon to KOF. SNK referenced NESTS again in KOFXIV. I'm not saying Verse is aliens... but he's aliens.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Darkflare on May 20, 2021, 01:02:04 PM
Announcing Team Metal Slug!

(Sound of monkey's paw closing)

It's Metal Slug Attack OCs.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on May 20, 2021, 02:35:14 PM
Interesting that none of the playable characters appear in the background (especially given how cameo heavy the backgrounds are). I wanna put on my tinfoil hat and says that that might be because there might be an actual Metal Slug Team this KOF. Which I would love. (Maybe we can finally get that full fledged Samurai Shodown team too)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on May 20, 2021, 03:37:43 PM
why does ralf get uglier every game
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 20, 2021, 03:43:03 PM
I wouldn't go as far as say that they'd make an entire Metal Slug Team, but a character is a very high possibility. With the Another World Team now having two vacant slots a MS character could easily fit there. OR, they could make it DLC, either works.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 20, 2021, 04:08:24 PM
The theme this time is just Okay. The stage was just solid.

I wouldn't go as far as say that they'd make an entire Metal Slug Team, but a character is a very high possibility. With the Another World Team now having two vacant slots a MS character could easily fit there. OR, they could make it DLC, either works.

Well If they do opt for Metal Slug the likely character would be Fio as she has made cameo as an extra Striker (fully playable in KOF 2006). Although Eri can be another blond replacing her if Yuki or Charlotte is not chosen for Another world.
By the way if there is a obsecure SNK game someone played maybe a character from there could be third wheel for the Another world.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on May 20, 2021, 04:09:17 PM
yes a metal slug stage, because metal slug turned 25 this year, so it makes a lot of sense, also ralf is now wearing a white tank top
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
I also don't expect a full MS team, if there was one this stage would be theirs and the Ikari would get their own stage. I also think one MS character in the other worlds team is possible.

I think Ralf and Clark finally look the way they should. The face Ralf is making at the beginning is weird, but the rest seems fine to me.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on May 20, 2021, 05:14:41 PM
i miss the 2002 UM ralf build/face
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on May 20, 2021, 05:22:37 PM
Well If they do opt for Metal Slug the likely character would be Fio as she has made cameo as an extra Striker (fully playable in KOF 2006).
Omg, Fio is so awesome in that game...!

But I doubt modern SNK will ever remember that the Maximum Impact games even existed, to be honest. :gonkgoi:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 20, 2021, 05:32:48 PM
I wouldn't be surprised, if there is one thing that would shatter expectations, it's a MI character or a team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: HexagoN on May 20, 2021, 11:19:21 PM
I wouldn't mind a Metal Slug team, I think they are already canon right? Pretty sure they appear in the background in one of the Ikari team ending in some KOF...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on May 21, 2021, 07:18:33 AM
The only thing that might be kind of weird is that I imagine a Metal Slug team would be heavily (projectile-)weapon based, which tonally might feel a bit off considering how much the series is currently based on mostly martial arts. I know ranged weapons and guns have already been featured in some movesets but that was always to a limited extend. Unless they just throw the floodgates open entirely by also including more Samsho/Last Blade characters. 

Like others have mentioned I'd also be down with Marco or so just being part of another team, perhaps with Nakoruru and Gai Tendo or so. Though given that Metal Slug is already established/canon to the KoF world the team would no longer be called 'Another World' team then lol.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on May 21, 2021, 12:33:30 PM
Well MS rules out, I dont know what other game (bar pachinko) will potentially make here. There are chances SNK sold some IPs that would make wishlist. I checked the wikia for SNK and I saw Koudelka there, maybe if protagonist is referenced there some point. Though having someone like that in game might be experience shattering and gets the IP interest renewed.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 21, 2021, 03:33:29 PM
I'd actually like to see them reference some of their more forgotten/underrated titles, like Magician Lord or Top Hunter.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on May 21, 2021, 09:08:06 PM
Metal Slug just got fully and officially integrated into a mainline KOF
I know nobody wants my opinion on this, but I hate absolutely everything about it.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 21, 2021, 09:10:28 PM
Metal Slug just got fully and officially integrated into a mainline KOF
I know nobody wants my opinion on this, but I hate absolutely everything about this



You're right. We don't want this. Shut the fuck up








Jk, in reality I think it's neat but I'm indifferent? I mean I don't think the world and story of Metal Slug fit into mainline KOF -- assuming a character does show up I'd prefer it to be some Other World type shit and not like... "oh they've been here the whole time". But I can see, for a variety of reasons, why people would be against this.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on May 22, 2021, 10:49:10 AM
KOF itself is already a crossover between various SNK franchises. If someone told you back then that characters from Fatal Fury, AOF, Ikari Warriors and Psycho Soldiers would be in the same game together you would find it ridiculous too.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on May 24, 2021, 09:57:00 AM
SNK Directors discuss hopes for King of Fighters 15 like wanting the story to be more cool and fun than the last: https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2021/may/22/kof-cool-story/
With the Orochi Team back from the past, it might be interesting to see how the story goes especially with Orochi, Nests and maybe Ash sagas in the mix with the current Shun' Ei saga
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 24, 2021, 10:17:39 AM
Hopefully it's more worthwhile than the previous Ash saga...
That arc was a tragedy.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on May 24, 2021, 12:48:48 PM
Hopefully it's more worthwhile than the previous Ash saga...
That arc was a tragedy.

I agree. I did enjoy the Ash saga and in XIII was a good one with Saiki and Ash's sacrifice by saving the world. But now that Ash has been resurrection in XIV, by the power of writing story and money.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on May 24, 2021, 04:35:30 PM
I do believe that they needed a Deus Ex Machina to be able to bring back past fan favorite characters, because those sell games.

Shun'ei, Meitenkun, Alice, Xanadu, Gang Il ... many of these characters were real duds.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on May 24, 2021, 05:57:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E14Gff_VoAEa0qd?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GalFord on May 24, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
I do believe that they needed a Deus Ex Machina to be able to bring back past fan favorite characters, because those sell games.

Shun'ei, Meitenkun, Alice, Xanadu, Gang Il ... many of these characters were real duds.

Alice could have been a funky new addition, but she's like a parody of the Fatal trio, and not even in a good way. I like Gang Il, but for being Kim's teacher... he could have had more/better/different moves?
The others you mentioned... yeah, not bothered about them personally.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mysticus92 on May 24, 2021, 07:37:15 PM
Cool! That Metal Slug stage is a good addition.

I do believe that they needed a Deus Ex Machina to be able to bring back past fan favorite characters, because those sell games.

Shun'ei, Meitenkun, Alice, Xanadu, Gang Il ... many of these characters were real duds.

I'd be quite suprised if some of these characters like Alice and Xanadu are back in XV.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 24, 2021, 07:47:56 PM
Yeah, pachinko waifu Alice isn't going anywhere.

As for Gang Il, I completely forgot what his playstyle is suppose to be.  If he doesn't return, then Luong also won't return unless Jhun Hoon somehow enters as part of Team Kim and she can make up some excuse to come back. 

Xanadu, well, can't blame them for trying something different.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 24, 2021, 08:30:35 PM
I'd be quite suprised if some of these characters like Alice and Xanadu are back in XV.

I think if there's anything that these trailers are showing it's that as much of the work they did in XIV as possible  is getting reused
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 24, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Which makes sense. Making new assets would take them way more time, time better spent on other things like gameplay and polishing.

Seems people still don't get Xanadu, eh? Still, he is definitely coming back considering his role in the story.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on May 25, 2021, 12:32:11 AM
Seems people still don't get Xanadu, eh? Still, he is definitely coming back considering his role in the story.
His role ... in the story?

I literally just checked the Introduction, Ending and Interactions with other character, and other than his "Gone on a psycho trip" schtick he doesn't seem very relevant anyhow, other than an excuse to make 2 Kim Teams because "he stole Kim's disciples". If anything he's an excuse for Gang Il and Luong to exist.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 25, 2021, 12:39:29 AM
And for Kim to not team up with the two clowns. Because that team since day 1 of KoF is just.... what.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on May 25, 2021, 12:45:56 AM
https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Xanadu/Quotes

It's hinted that he might understand there's something going on with Verse. It still doesn't tell me he's crucial to the plot, and they had to make him EXTRA to lead the other 2 well established villains.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 25, 2021, 02:16:40 AM
Seems people still don't get Xanadu, eh? Still, he is definitely coming back considering his role in the story.

Hell, nawww
If Xanadu comes back, Imma reconsider buying the game.
He's absolutely weak gameplay wise, has one of the wackiest designs (not in a good way) and doesn't do too much regarding story wise except allow Chang and Choi to be part of the roster.

Luong's pretty decent, but I doubt she'll be back unless Gang-Il is back (since they're lovers).

Gang-Il is okay-ish since he brought back Dong Hwang & Jae Hoon's movesets (Kim's sons from MOTW) into KOF, but I'll rather see Jhun or even May Lee back instead of him as part of Kim's team. Personally as a Korean, I prefer Tekken's Baek's "TKD mentor" design over Gang-Il's simply because Baek at least looks like a TKD practitioner.

Of course, there's also a possibility of new characters too... But I doubt SNK will ever add younglings into Kim's team since apparently TKD characters can only be middle age and up in KOF.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SquidlyPoli1 on May 25, 2021, 02:47:11 AM
Seems people still don't get Xanadu, eh? Still, he is definitely coming back considering his role in the story.

Hell, nawww
If Xanadu comes back, Imma reconsider buying the game.
He's absolutely weak gameplay wise, has one of the wackiest designs (not in a good way) and doesn't do too much regarding story wise except allow Chang and Choi to be part of the roster.

Luong's pretty decent, but I doubt she'll be back unless Gang-Il is back (since they're lovers).

Gang-Il is okay-ish since he brought back Dong Hwang & Jae Hoon's movesets (Kim's sons from MOTW) into KOF, but I'll rather see Jhun or even May Lee back instead of him as part of Kim's team. Personally as a Korean, I prefer Tekken's Baek's "TKD mentor" design over Gang-Il's simply because Baek at least looks like a TKD practitioner.

Of course, there's also a possibility of new characters too... But I doubt SNK will ever add younglings into Kim's team since apparently TKD characters can only be middle age and up in KOF.

I'm willing to side with Magma on Xanadu being important, because I think his whole trait of rambling may lead to some unmentioned secrets on Verse. He's definitely not great, but it makes enough sense to me.

I really don't think scrapping Gang-il and Luong for Jhun and May Lee would be a good idea. I don't mind Jhun coming back, but I do think that they really wouldn't like to recall May Lee, especially since she was created by Eolith to be a "Korean Athena" with a bunch of tokusatsu references. Having them form a team with Kim would just be nonsensical and pander-ey... at least to me.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 25, 2021, 03:03:27 AM
I'm willing to side with Magma on Xanadu being important, because I think his whole trait of rambling may lead to some unmentioned secrets on Verse. He's definitely not great, but it makes enough sense to me.

I really don't think scrapping Gang-il and Luong for Jhun and May Lee would be a good idea. I don't mind Jhun coming back, but I do think that they really wouldn't like to recall May Lee, especially since she was created by Eolith to be a "Korean Athena" with a bunch of tokusatsu references. Having them form a team with Kim would just be nonsensical and pander-ey... at least to me.

The remnants of Eolith's influence on KOF is still around regardless of how they are interpreted. (FYI: Eolith is now called "Neolith" and is a phone game company in 2021)
The creation of Igniz was also heavily affected by their request for making an "old but pretty" boss character and yet he's still referenced by Verse.

I'm not saying May Lee should be a must, but what I AM saying is that SNK likes to only put older characters for Kim's team and we barely get any young people so since May Lee has already been introduced to the series (with Chae Lim being sent to the depths of oblivion), I'd prefer SNK to put her in instead of Gang-Il or Luong.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: cupcakkemama on May 25, 2021, 03:14:08 AM
TaeKwonDo characters have always been top tier characters in KOF, so I'd keep my eyes on potential candidates. While I agree on seeing less XIV characters as much as possible, I find May Lee kind of bland. Jhun Hoon is pretty cool, but I bet he is too difficult to animate/balance. I think Luong should have her own separate team without Gang-Il, while Kim gets to have new teammates.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 25, 2021, 03:28:34 AM
TaeKwonDo characters have always been top tier characters in KOF, so I'd keep my eyes on potential candidates. While I agree on seeing less XIV characters as much as possible, I find May Lee kind of bland. Jhun Hoon is pretty cool, but I bet he is too difficult to animate/balance. I think Luong should have her own separate team without Gang-Il, while Kim gets to have new teammates.

You seem to forget that XIV was an experimental take on the franchise just like XII.

SNK does it all the time when they're changing their graphics (XII [SD sprites -> HD sprite] & XIV [2D -> 3D]) and they try out everything they can to find the optimal direction for their future projects. That's why we see the craziest looking designs & re-designs during those eras.

XIV's Meitenkun, Bandeiras, Sylvie, Xanadu, Kukri, Najd all look crazy compared to XV's Chizuru, Yashiro & Shermie cuz they were the unfortunate outcomes of SNK's amibitious takes on "relevant" designs back in 2016.

May Lee's design is tame, less explosive and unique in that aspect, regardless of her design's inception and thus will make a better addition to Kim's roster than Gang-Il or Luong.

Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on May 25, 2021, 03:37:10 PM
imagine disliking xanadu, the absolute GOAT
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on May 25, 2021, 06:25:14 PM
More like goat-eyed
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on May 26, 2021, 04:04:25 AM
Blue mary?  :smash:
(https://i.ibb.co/pQYb8FF/blue.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DarkWolf13 on May 26, 2021, 04:23:58 AM
Angel maybe? Also... I flipped out when I saw that MS stage. MS has been my favorite SNK series ever since I bought the anthology for the Wii. If they do ever bring a Metal Slug team for the game, I'd say Marco (The face of MS), Tarma (He's been in the original MS), and Fio (She was a secret fighter in one of the KOF games). I wouldn't be surprised if Mars People was considered since that alien was a fighter for 2 games (SvC: Chaos & NGBC)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: jafar on May 26, 2021, 04:38:41 AM
Kula maybe, since K is already confirmed in the game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 26, 2021, 04:48:26 AM
Blue Mary in her Real Bout jacket would be unexpected and can complete the Women's team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 26, 2021, 05:21:17 AM
My bets are on Whip or Angel.  The head and hairline look too... "thin" to be Kula's to me. I dunno how to put it really. Just doesn't look like the shape of Kula's head.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 26, 2021, 06:29:28 AM
Could also be Najd
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Whip or perhaps Najd.

I don't think it can be Mary or Angel... Unless they reall edited the shape a lot!!!!
I will not expect too much.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 26, 2021, 12:42:26 PM
Blue mary?  :smash:
(https://i.ibb.co/pQYb8FF/blue.png)
Just saying
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 26, 2021, 01:04:00 PM
Haha! Yes, the usual Bao theory!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 26, 2021, 02:22:50 PM
Just realized that it can also be Athena in her usual redesign.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 27, 2021, 04:00:51 AM


Well.

Cool!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on May 27, 2021, 04:04:18 AM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/HkMYPJo4lfA[/youtube]

Well.

Cool!

yes she looks really cool
(https://i.ibb.co/82dBhsx/kof.png)
kof94.xD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: senorfro on May 27, 2021, 04:22:29 AM
Leona gets abs, but not Mary?  Shame.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on May 27, 2021, 04:37:24 AM
At what point did Blue Mary learned how to do a Ressenha?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 27, 2021, 04:40:40 AM
No Womens team, so we'll get Agents team back?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 27, 2021, 04:53:01 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing '97 Special team come back. Mary / Yamazaki /Billy.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on May 27, 2021, 04:57:07 AM
Huh... another classic character.

I guess SNK's not willing to bring back a lot of the XIV newcomers like Team South America and Another World Team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 27, 2021, 08:38:31 AM
She looks ok, gameplay wise.

But again, I have this feeling they got lazy, bringing again this stan smith/sporty variation of her classic costume.

For Mary, my expectations were to bring her Real Bout 2 costume with jacket, boots etc.
Sure they shattered it, in a bad way.

Also, I feel like she looks freaking fragile... she will look like a kid compared to Mai, Leona and Shermie... -_-
(Just my point of view)

OK, next, I hope for more...
At least this freaking "weakling" silhouette was not Angel. ^^;
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 27, 2021, 08:59:59 AM
I've seen quite a few Angel comments around and I can't tell if they're serious or if it's a joke on her boob size lol

Blue Mary's super looks super weak so I don't really like that. But I welcome her back into the canon anyhow.

Now can they stop with this one-character-every-week shit? It's so tedious.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on May 27, 2021, 09:58:13 AM
97 special team, agent team from xi might be back or maybe a new mary team  :mlol:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on May 27, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
Blue Mary at last. Last time I saw her, she was the last DLC character to be confirmed in the last KOF game.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on May 27, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
Small thing I noticed is that they (at least up untill now) don't seem to have any nationality and/or country-themed teams yet (like Team Mexico, Team Japan, Team China or South America Team). I wonder if that is something they are going to drop out of the title entirely.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on May 27, 2021, 01:00:48 PM
Love the fact Mary is making it in from the get go. Love the face, the rack is dumb and the VA aint good too.
But she looks a lot like XIV which I am fine with.

Tha VA just does not have that sass the original VA had and her lines sound flat to me.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: lui on May 27, 2021, 03:30:33 PM
her old VA likely cant do the really high pitched voice she did for Mary anymore.

shes still good as King but you can really tell that she has to reach for that voice nowadays, she doesnt sound like she used to.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on May 27, 2021, 03:42:37 PM
97 team will never happen ever again, that was basically done over a popularity poll and they used the flimsiest excuse to have those three together (basically Mary joining them to investigate them under orders from some "mysterious contractor").
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on May 27, 2021, 04:15:33 PM
Huh... another classic character.

I guess SNK's not willing to bring back a lot of the XIV newcomers like Team South America and Another World Team.
They couldn't bring back the Another World team even if they wanted to, I don't think.

South America will probably be back though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on May 27, 2021, 11:01:41 PM
her old VA likely cant do the really high pitched voice she did for Mary anymore.

shes still good as King but you can really tell that she has to reach for that voice nowadays, she doesnt sound like she used to.

If the internet is correct she is 51 currently, you got me there though, I though even in XIV it was a different VA but it turnes out its the classic one.
Well, if that is the case, we cant do anything about it but be happy that she is still at least voicing king.
She even sang Blue mary's  blues back in the day, however I kinda think its more of a director thing than an issue with her voice.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on May 27, 2021, 11:08:58 PM
Probably is a director thing since Harumi Ikoma still doing great as King throughout the whole KOF series.

About Blue Mary, all skills and stuff are from KOF XIV, no big surprise. Just her model that looks indeed better now.
Still no Women Fighters Team tho. At first, i thought the '97 Special Team will return because they put their theme on KOF 2002 UM in Mary's trailer but probably will be a new Agent Team.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on May 27, 2021, 11:22:11 PM
I agree also her name is right on the fucking title card when when the XV trailer starts, dunno how I missed it.
Ned also has a point, I really hope they have an extensive alternate costume system like SFV and bring this look back.
(https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/bluemary-realbout2-stance.gif)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on May 28, 2021, 04:24:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2cJlFQUYAAHOMM?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on May 28, 2021, 07:45:28 AM
Crackpot theory but what if she joins forces with like Rock Howard and Alice as a sort of a substitute Terry-mentor role.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on May 28, 2021, 07:49:17 AM
Additional crackpot theory.

Alba / Fio / Rock. Team Maximum Impact.

Does it make sense? In a reaching way, yes. Do I expect it? No.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 28, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
Crackpot theory but what if she joins forces with like Rock Howard and Alice as a sort of a substitute Terry-mentor role.

She's waiting for Kula, so that she and Mai can join her to make the Anti-Terry Team like it says on that Twitter meme.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on May 28, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Additional crackpot theory.

Alba / Fio / Rock. Team Maximum Impact.

Does it make sense? In a reaching way, yes. Do I expect it? No.

A more accurate MI team would be Alba, Lien and Luise, IMHO, since Fio comes from MS, and Rock from Garou.

I agree also her name is right on the fucking title card when when the XV trailer starts, dunno how I missed it.
Ned also has a point, I really hope they have an extensive alternate costume system like SFV and bring this look back.
(https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/bluemary-realbout2-stance.gif)

Totally this.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on May 28, 2021, 03:28:28 PM
THe artwork actually looked good.
Just like the previous ones usually looked better than the actual ingame character...

and yes, her RB style <3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 02, 2021, 05:44:50 AM
Game's release was pushed to Q1 2022.

https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1399908628815962113
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 02, 2021, 05:59:24 AM
Well I can't say I'm surprised...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 02, 2021, 06:14:08 AM
Anything to remove orange juice FX out of this reality.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 02, 2021, 06:52:54 AM
Welp, what a shame.
Japan should control its COVID outbreak more seriously cuz it's affecting even corporate businesses now.

Props to the devs for striving through though. It's not easy working in a pandemic.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on June 02, 2021, 11:28:13 AM
The next character's trailer will be shown on the 9th of June: https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1399999229532282880
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 02, 2021, 12:50:17 PM
Welp, what a shame.
Japan should control its COVID outbreak more seriously cuz it's affecting even corporate businesses now.

Props to the devs for striving through though. It's not easy working in a pandemic.

Considering the end product are always good, I do commend the the devs to make of best what is stacked against them.

The next character's trailer will be shown on the 9th of June: https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1399999229532282880

I hope it's someone from XIV now. We got plenty of nostalgia pops so a confirmation from any recent characters will be nice for a change.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on June 02, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
At that time SNK might be able to use Unreal Engine 5 at that time. I see this delay as a positive and it will improve the game a whole lot better.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 02, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
I'm not ever surprised.
Well...

Take this time to make the game even better.
I prefer it than a rush of the game with bad quality.
We have the proof they can work well. (on a bunch of the revealed characters)

Also, it would have been a problem to continue announcing 1 charcter / a week if they want tto release it in 2021.

I will really hate them if even with the delay of 2022 they realease an "unfinished" "unpolished" KOF.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: GTAguy on June 02, 2021, 04:36:45 PM
Pushed over to later release.
Oh well, more developing means more characters of default. Take that, VF5 Rehash Online.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 02, 2021, 07:54:09 PM
Okay, so... how many trailers will we see until then? The roster will likely be massive.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 03, 2021, 01:22:02 AM
I'm expecting around 50+ characters at launch.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 09, 2021, 04:34:52 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/snkpofficial/status/1402445343388798977?s=21

I'm guessing Luong for this one and she completes Women Fighters.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 09, 2021, 07:59:00 AM
Oh yeah. I kinda see Luong too. She has that flower petal tiara thing she wears.

It's definitely a female.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 09, 2021, 08:11:37 AM
So unless Luong is the new addition to the women's team, it is gonna be interesting how she will tease Mr Taekwondo Kim along with Gang-Il. But if she is with Mai and Yuri then Kim can have Chang and Choi back again!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 09, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
Strange choice for teams but it can be interesting, yes...

To me, it's definitely Luong, unless SNK make fun of us again... ^^

I hope they will not drop the glamour gimmick of Luong and the daring/sexy moves... Since Shermie take care of that now...

ooof... the wait was long
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on June 09, 2021, 02:04:20 PM
Probably Luong, yes. Could be Hinako too however.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Diek Stiekem on June 09, 2021, 02:30:13 PM
Luong or maybe B.Jenet
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on June 10, 2021, 01:51:41 AM
https://twitter.com/taurencebell/status/1402732999112761348?s=19 (https://twitter.com/taurencebell/status/1402732999112761348?s=19)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3eC1NnVcAIFJE_?format=jpg&name=large)

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 10, 2021, 04:03:23 AM
Not the biggest fan of Luong but it's cool that she's back I guess. Probably on Kim's team again.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on June 10, 2021, 04:19:06 AM
Or Chang and Choi want to go back to Kim away from Xanadu.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 10, 2021, 04:34:07 AM
Seriously, what is taking them so long to reveal the last member of Women's Fighters?

Now that she's back, Gang-Il isn't far behind.  I can't wait if they finally decide to give Kim's pants the animation it desperately needs.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 10, 2021, 06:17:41 AM
Well there goes my wish for Jhun or May Lee reappearing.

That aside, Luong seems to not receive much redesign from her XIV counterpart.
I wish she wore a reformed ao dai or smth we saw from Kim's ending cuz you know... she's Vietnamese and all.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 10, 2021, 07:14:30 AM
YESSSS !! It was Luong! It could not be someone else.

Also, her design is pretty much the same but seems like she have the quality and details of the few good designed ones in KOFXV.

Seems like they didn't touch up anything about her gameplay.
Even her Climax "Ben" seems to be exactly the same.
I was a bit worried they went for something less "risqué" (because 2021...)

Nothing bad to say about her, she looks good. Even If I had hopes for a little improvement/variation about:
-specials
-Climax
-overall appearance

Interesting that they show some interaction with Shermie... Of course, Luong is not the "only one" now, since Shermie is back...

Also, WTF with the win pose... ^^;

I'm not really fa of May Lee, but Jhun return would be so awesome!!!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 10, 2021, 07:52:57 AM
Seriously, what is taking them so long to reveal the last member of Women's Fighters?

I'm expecting a wild card pick at this point
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on June 10, 2021, 09:22:52 AM
Keep in mind, this is now four incomplete teams we have: K' Team, Women's Team, Blue Mary Team and now Korea Team. We pretty much know the composition of two of them, K' and Korea, but jeez man...I have no problem with the character whatsoever, but the last person on the Women's Team better not be the exact same Alice from XIV, and K' himself better not be the exact same either. There's no other real reason for their reveals to have taken this long.

Luong looks as good as ever, I'd say. Not much to say about her, really.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on June 10, 2021, 10:42:26 AM
I would normally say they're waiting to reveal the complete Women's team because it's a new character / old returning unexpected character, but we all know it's going to be Alice.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 10, 2021, 10:43:45 AM
Next week we can see someone from South America, Another World or Mexico to be revealed.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on June 10, 2021, 10:55:52 AM
Next week we can see someone from South America, Another World or Mexico to be revealed.

There are also rumors of a team in the Middle East as well.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on June 10, 2021, 02:58:25 PM
I'm actually glad to see Luong. We have had far too many old characters and quite few from 14, so at least they seem to want to keep some from 14, which is a good thing. I love classic characters, and the idea of old characters make debut in KoF, but I was starting to get afraid for the last game's newcomers. One thing that's for sure is that it seems like there will be very few newcomers in general.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 10, 2021, 06:10:52 PM
I'm worried Xanadu might make a return now...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 10, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
What is there to be worried about? Just don't play him if he gets in.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 10, 2021, 10:36:27 PM
Its pretty much a given. As of their endings in XIV Chang and Choi are still stuck with Xanadu, in tge same way Kim is still stuck with Gang-Il and Luong.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 11, 2021, 05:01:35 AM
What is there to be worried about? Just don't play him if he gets in.

That he takes a precious slot in the roster when another character could fill that spot.
Also, I find him weird overall. Weak gameplay, wonky design and confusing narrative. He just looks too Street Fighter-ish and I don't like that. Leave all the cartoony stuff to Capcom.

I get that he's a villain character and all, but KOF series had stylish antagonists like the New Face Team, Botan, Shion, Ron and etc. Xanadu.... not so much.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 11, 2021, 06:53:15 AM
Nobody's stealing slots

They're repurposing all the work they did with the last game to ensure this one has a huge roster which means if your character didn't make it in they weren't ever gonna make it I'm afraid
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: ShiroTori on June 11, 2021, 06:57:52 AM
I'm down for Xanadu to return, y'all naysayers are just weird.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 11, 2021, 01:03:26 PM
Nobody's stealing slots

They're repurposing all the work they did with the last game to ensure this one has a huge roster which means if your character didn't make it in they weren't ever gonna make it I'm afraid

Knowing SNK and their financial status, I guess you're right...

I'm just not so fond of him as a character in general... I think he should've been a completely different design than his bulgy eyed fur coated dude.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 11, 2021, 03:29:34 PM
What is there to be worried about? Just don't play him if he gets in.

That he takes a precious slot in the roster when another character could fill that spot.
Also, I find him weird overall. Weak gameplay, wonky design and confusing narrative. He just looks too Street Fighter-ish and I don't like that. Leave all the cartoony stuff to Capcom.

I get that he's a villain character and all, but KOF series had stylish antagonists like the New Face Team, Botan, Shion, Ron and etc. Xanadu.... not so much.

Well, I understand if you're not a fan of his design. He's not for everyone, but the "taking up a slot" thing is nonsense. Kim is for sure already in the game and he was in XIV too. Xanadu isn't taking anybody's "slot." Especially in the era of fighting games where DLC is a thing.

Xanadu is cool as fuck to me personally
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on June 11, 2021, 04:21:27 PM
Out of all KOF 14 newcomers Xanadu was probably the one who stood the most out, and the one I'm most excited to see return. Luong was one of them, same with Smokey (Antonov). If all of them make it I get my faves from KOF 14.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on June 11, 2021, 04:38:02 PM
yes he´s design was pretty cool in concept art but the kof xiv graphics didn't help it properly
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on June 11, 2021, 05:26:43 PM
Luong is kinda meh, Xanadu is... ok. I would be happy to see Dinosaur or Sylvie, actually.


Ay yo, quick little theory:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 11, 2021, 08:41:07 PM
Luong is kinda meh, Xanadu is... ok. I would be happy to see Dinosaur or Sylvie, actually.


Ay yo, quick little theory:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Thats cool Theory you got there, I saw Maximallian Dood's reaction on Luong's reveal and he guessed Sylvie possibly being there next week, I mean Yeah anything goes...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on June 11, 2021, 11:34:24 PM
sylvie isn't that bad play style wise she's cool and i do love the idea of sylvie being teamed up with angel and other former nests crew.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on June 14, 2021, 05:22:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3zslQpUYAUyHNS?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 14, 2021, 05:55:26 AM
sylvie isn't that bad play style wise she's cool and i do love the idea of sylvie being teamed up with angel and other former nests crew.

who would be the third on a sylvie/angel team? couldn't see diana or foxy not being on a team with kula, so i'd guess candy or even nameless. or just someone new, tho i'd doubt they'd come up with another NESTS remnant again after sylvie.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 14, 2021, 06:55:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3zslQpUYAUyHNS?format=jpg&name=large)

For the 1st time, perhaps, I prefer the ingame model than the artwork.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 14, 2021, 01:19:17 PM
I always theorized that Luong might be a villainess in disguise, but putting on a caring face.

She's very mysterious and it's weird she was ever added into the roster in the first place despite only being "Kim's master's GF".
Her origin is unknown, her fighting style is unknown and her motivations to fight in the tournament only because her BF wants to fight is kind of weird and uncalled for.

I think she has an agenda and she may reveal herself to be an evil person in the end. We never had those kind of characters in KOF before.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on June 14, 2021, 01:41:35 PM
Don't forget that Kim can canonically sense evil. If she had bad intentions I think he would've picked up on it.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 14, 2021, 03:31:33 PM
Good point, but I think Kim's "sense of justice" is a bit subjective. He doesn't sense evil with Chang and Choi when they turned evil again.
I'd like to think that Kim's interactions with Luong is a shallow one and unless she discloses more of her true intentions/colors, we'll never really know what's up with her motifs.

Kukri looks evil, but we find out he's working for Elizabeth as a good guy.
I wish Luong was the opposite, but that may be a bit too cliche hahaha.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PeXXeR on June 14, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
Tbh, kinda tired seeing chars from XIV, give me something to get excited about, though I do want Rock to come back.
Who cares about lore bring back fucking Omega Rugal or somethig ffs, I could give two shits about Yuri and the like.

At least we got Shermie,Yashiro etc.

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on June 14, 2021, 04:34:35 PM
its funny to see every thursday a new character until next year hehehe

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3zslQpUYAUyHNS?format=jpg&name=large)

For the 1st time, perhaps, I prefer the ingame model than the artwork.

she looks older in this picture than the game ooh yeah she has to get the biggest bubies in the game.xD
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on June 14, 2021, 06:54:32 PM
Gang-Il and Luong were definitely created to put a bit more irony and some comedy in Kim's role. He's all about justice and reforming criminals, and it turns out his master is a sleazebag that almost looks like a lazy drunk (but apparently super skilled) hitching himself up with some weirdo he met an hour ago just because she had big fat honkers, they're clearly dubious people - not villains, no, but the kind of sadist that doesn't care about petty things like law or justice and make fun of Kim's justice, like parents waiting for their kid to come out of "that phase". They're the opposite of Chang and Choi to Kim. I'm 100% certain that both of their characters go not a single step further than that, and that's completely fine with me. I like them.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 14, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
Gang-Il and Luong were definitely created to put a bit more irony and some comedy in Kim's role. He's all about justice and reforming criminals, and it turns out his master is a sleazebag that almost looks like a lazy drunk (but apparently super skilled) hitching himself up with some weirdo he met an hour ago just because she had big fat honkers, they're clearly dubious people - not villains, no, but the kind of sadist that doesn't care about petty things like law or justice and make fun of Kim's justice, like parents waiting for their kid to come out of "that phase". They're the opposite of Chang and Choi to Kim. I'm 100% certain that both of their characters go not a single step further than that, and that's completely fine with me. I like them.

I would like to agree, but Luong's profile literally says: "Luong is a “femme fatal” type woman fighter with mysterious motivations."

I think it alludes to smth more than her being just Kim's master's lover.
She only met Gang-Il recently. She clearly doesn't share Kim's morals. She has no personal gain in helping Kim or Gang-Il. I think she's really cooking up smth.

Hopefully KOF 15 brings more lore to the table than what's currently on offer.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 14, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
nahhh, more likely they are just there to act as a comedic foil to kim

theyve been dropping these open ended tidbits for a long time, but as far as kof goes they never develop characters that aren't the explicit main focus of the arc. bao is a good example. nelson's arm is another good one- though it does get developed in the manga.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 14, 2021, 09:14:38 PM
In 26+ years of games only about 10% of the cast of KoF has gotten any kind of character development so yup, I'm with y'all saying that there's nothing more to Luong.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on June 15, 2021, 12:34:12 AM
She only met Gang-Il recently. She clearly doesn't share Kim's morals. She has no personal gain in helping Kim or Gang-Il.
That's the joke. Gang-Il picked her up on a whim because boobs and she turns out to be super shady, that's what's funny. The "mysterious motivations" is just a throwaway line.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on June 15, 2021, 06:27:50 AM
I always theorized that Luong might be a villainess in disguise, but putting on a caring face.

She's very mysterious and it's weird she was ever added into the roster in the first place despite only being "Kim's master's GF".
Her origin is unknown, her fighting style is unknown and her motivations to fight in the tournament only because her BF wants to fight is kind of weird and uncalled for.

I think she has an agenda and she may reveal herself to be an evil person in the end. We never had those kind of characters in KOF before.

orochi luong confirmed?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 15, 2021, 08:04:16 AM
lol lol lol.
When did KOF's lore become such a joke to the KOF community hahaha
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on June 15, 2021, 09:25:58 AM
At least with Bao, the dragon arc, the Hizoku, Those From The Past... and before that, the fanbase turning everyone into an Orochi xyz character.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 15, 2021, 09:50:45 AM
I always theorized that Luong might be a villainess in disguise, but putting on a caring face.

She's very mysterious and it's weird she was ever added into the roster in the first place despite only being "Kim's master's GF".
Her origin is unknown, her fighting style is unknown and her motivations to fight in the tournament only because her BF wants to fight is kind of weird and uncalled for.

I think she has an agenda and she may reveal herself to be an evil person in the end. We never had those kind of characters in KOF before.

orochi luong confirmed?

Well she interacted with Shermie, though you could say given that she interacted before in SNK Gal Tag Team Frenzy. There might be a chance that they know from the... but I think speculation should be reserved after the game.
PLUS...we can MUGENIZE her once there is full 2d version available...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 15, 2021, 03:14:03 PM
KOF lore is treated as a joke by SNK themselves

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 16, 2021, 04:08:32 AM
No trailer this week: https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1404982058024259589
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 16, 2021, 04:22:06 AM
Why tho
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 16, 2021, 05:36:15 PM
I'm fed up...
ok, make a trailer every other week and release the game somwhere in 2024-2025...

More seriously. They certainly have a good reason to do it.
Still, I prefer them to take their time to make the game good... -_-
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 16, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
They have tons of trailers prepared in advance, since the Luong trailer had been up and unlisted for at least 2 weeks before they made it public. I dunno why they're waiting so much
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Byakko on June 16, 2021, 07:17:35 PM
since the Luong trailer had been up and unlisted for at least 2 weeks before they made it public.
What do you mean ? It's dated June 10.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 16, 2021, 07:47:04 PM
since the Luong trailer had been up and unlisted for at least 2 weeks before they made it public.
What do you mean ? It's dated June 10.

When they first put the trailer up it actually came up early -- and the date was listed as two weeks prior. The video quickly went unlisted and it got taken down before it went back up. It happened really fast and I found it really weird. But yeah, the video was uploaded and left unlisted, two weeks prior to the reveal
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 地獄の花 on June 16, 2021, 07:55:56 PM
They have tons of trailers prepared in advance, since the Luong trailer had been up and unlisted for at least 2 weeks before they made it public. I dunno why they're waiting so much

the world isnt ready for the return of kim's pants.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 22, 2021, 07:05:45 PM
damn, the wait is long...
Yes, perhaps Kim will have his turn now?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 23, 2021, 05:09:55 AM
They have tons of trailers prepared in advance, since the Luong trailer had been up and unlisted for at least 2 weeks before they made it public. I dunno why they're waiting so much

the world isnt ready for the return of kim's pants.

I agree, he should go without pants, then.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 23, 2021, 05:16:33 AM
They have tons of trailers prepared in advance, since the Luong trailer had been up and unlisted for at least 2 weeks before they made it public. I dunno why they're waiting so much

the world isnt ready for the return of kim's pants.

I agree, he should go without pants, then.

Agreed, why keep the pants Kaphwon when you can just take them Kaphwoff.






Anyways before I die inside I hope we don't get another last minute trailer delay
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 23, 2021, 05:23:21 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1407518771493818370/photo/1

Kim and his expensive legwear will have to wait another day it seems.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: RagingRowen on June 23, 2021, 06:31:49 AM
Instant pic:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4hxE9PVIAcKsUr?format=jpg&name=large)
Either Vanessa or Zarina. The hair shape hints at the latter.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 23, 2021, 06:57:23 AM
It looks like curly hair, did Zarina have curly hair in XIV?

Or is it that stupid pet toucan on her shoulder.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: FeLo_Llop on June 23, 2021, 10:28:56 AM
It's Alcina Dimitrescu, look at that hat!

Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 23, 2021, 01:14:26 PM
It definitely looks like Vanessa... unless SNK still plays some tricks on us...

I would not even be surprised if this silhouette is Chang or  Ramon... (just kidding)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 23, 2021, 02:14:30 PM
Ya'll wrong, its the guest char Laura
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431876683465752587/857187883714215956/lar.png)
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 23, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Ya'll wrong, its the guest char Laura
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431876683465752587/857187883714215956/lar.png)

Oh.....That would be even more hilarious if it is actually confirmed
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: NDSilva on June 23, 2021, 07:52:00 PM
(https://imgur.com/KVeZd74.png)

Shatter my expectations, SNK.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on June 23, 2021, 08:04:15 PM
(https://imgur.com/KVeZd74.png)

Shatter my expectations, SNK.

Outside of Kasumi, SNK don't recognize this game to ever have existed it seems.
However, IF Lenny would happen, then would we get Whip?

AND, uhm ... Thinking of Lenny's deisgn. What if there was some weird SNK shattering our full expectation adding her on a team with Jack Turner?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Santtu on June 24, 2021, 03:02:38 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TaOX93Q.png)
who knows
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 24, 2021, 04:04:18 AM


I wanna say RIP Gang-Il but there's still a slim chance for Kim to team up with him and bring Jhun or May Lee on board.

Vanessa is great but still can't get use to her XIV attire.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on June 24, 2021, 04:26:55 AM
I am surprise that luong has become an agent too  :mwhoa:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 24, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
I think she has an agenda

Sir your comment is aging like fine wine right now

I mean so far it's looking unlikely that she's evil unless Blue Mary and Vanessa go evil but, fuck, she does have an agenda

EDIT: Can we talk about how SNK has yet to give us Team Women Fighters but they've just given us a team of women fighters


Wut
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 24, 2021, 05:18:35 AM
lol, even I'm surprised right now. That was just a far fetched head canon and now it's semi-official.

The only reason why I think this team works is because Vanessa and Luong are both from unknown origins and much of their backgrounds are in mystery.
I hope we see more of them and their stories unfold in XV.

Now, I'm wondering who'd be in Kim's team now...
It might be Kim + Gang Il + Jhun.

Kim and Jhun are from the same Dojo and since Gang-Il is Kim's official master, it'll be the same for Jhun too. I also doubt SNK would not recycle Gang-Il's animations, so I think he's definitely in XV.

edit: It might be Chang + Choi again though. lol
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: RagingRowen on June 24, 2021, 06:00:11 AM
Arms are too thick and I can get over some redesigns outside of the striped leggings which are too much of a sore thumb for me.

I'm not too mindful about what Kim's new team will be, but Gang-Il doesn't click with me.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Sean Altly on June 24, 2021, 06:47:05 AM
Vanessa is one of my favorite KOF characters but I hate those damn pants. Was really hoping they'd switch them back. Was there ever a storyline reason for her randomly switching to those pants and sandals?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 24, 2021, 08:04:16 AM
Arms are too thick and I can get over some redesigns outside of the striped leggings which are too much of a sore thumb for me.

Same here... And I don't think they will do anything to fix it.
I really don't like these pants, reminds me some old grand mother clothes in the 70' in south of France... (from my point of view)

Hopefully some good mods gould giver back her "Classic" design style...

Also, the interesting thing about Vanessa appearance was the fact she can punch very fast and heavily with her thin arms.
No, she's more like any average buff MMA girl/boxer... at least they didn't gave her ugly dreadlocks or shaved haircut... -_-

I'll pass and wait for the next charcter, hopefully not in 14 days...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 24, 2021, 09:09:22 AM
edit: It might be Chang + Choi again though. lol

If the semi-canon manga is indicating something then yeah those two are back in their misery again.

The new team reveal did surprise me, now I hope we get some XIV team for real.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Mgbenz on June 24, 2021, 09:42:59 AM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/fb3ldoiHIIg[/youtube]

I wanna say RIP Gang-Il but there's still a slim chance for Kim to team up with him and bring Jhun or May Lee on board.

https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/press/2021/062403/

Quote
Luong is a femme fatale type fighter with mysterious motives. She can and will lacerate her enemies like a whip with her long legs and her arranged tae kwon do kicking techniques. This KOF, she’s seemingly working in opposition to her lover Gang-il and his disciple Kim, but perhaps all is not how it seems…
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 24, 2021, 11:54:55 AM

https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/press/2021/062403/

Quote
Luong is a femme fatale type fighter with mysterious motives. She can and will lacerate her enemies like a whip with her long legs and her arranged tae kwon do kicking techniques. This KOF, she’s seemingly working in opposition to her lover Gang-il and his disciple Kim, but perhaps all is not how it seems…


That's quite interesting, I guess maybe an ulterior motive or want to get some quality time away from the Master as he schools Kim. So maybe Jhun or maybe Maylee might return, at least those two are enjoying themselves away from Kim.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Magma MK-II on June 24, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
Very likely that Gang-Il will just drag in Kim and Jhun to form a team. And heck, this also means Gang-Il will get some sorely needed character development.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on June 24, 2021, 04:22:13 PM
This game will be on top next year, cause SNK really shatting our expectations
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 24, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
i can only hope they actually develop luong in some way, but the "agents" team has had ramon for no reason in the past, so not holding my breath there
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 100_Sad_Pandas on June 24, 2021, 05:49:00 PM
Arms are too thick and I can get over some redesigns outside of the striped leggings which are too much of a sore thumb for me.

Her arms are normal sized tho... they're exactly the size I would expect from a female boxer her size

and honestly I quite like the pants, I see a lot of people where those kinds of striped pants nowadays because they're considered trendy
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 24, 2021, 11:01:15 PM
yeah i dont get the beefy arm thing lol, such a weird complaint
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on June 24, 2021, 11:37:34 PM
All right, i kinda expected Blue Mary and Vanessa together again but Luong an Agent?

Hmmm, now i'm curious if all that mystery around Luong since KOF XIV (specially in the manga) is about that she's indeed an Agent and what her true purpose.

Also, is it just me or this Secret Agent Team is a Charlie's Angels reference? :v
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 25, 2021, 12:28:45 AM
"Hey so we're undercover right, no one has to know. What do we name our team?"

"Team Secret Agents"

"Yeah ok, I dig that.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: StevenB on June 25, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Team Charlie's Angels
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: videoman on June 25, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
I'm thinking that Chang and Choi may return to Kim since teaming up with Xanadu is not really doing so well. I'm am hoping they show a character that is new to KOF that good they add characters that haven't been seen for a while but are expected.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 25, 2021, 01:37:21 PM
Team Charlie's Angels

But it's Better Version.....
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: SkySplitters on June 25, 2021, 01:53:44 PM
I'm thinking that Chang and Choi may return to Kim since teaming up with Xanadu is not really doing so well. I'm am hoping they show a character that is new to KOF that good they add characters that haven't been seen for a while but are expected.

Chang and Choi can go wherever they go. They might even be non playable and I would be ok, as long as my favourite newcomer from the last game, Xanadu makes it. I do not mind who he goes with, as long as he's updated and back.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: yaret on June 25, 2021, 03:18:00 PM
Rumor (Team Street fighers)  :yuno:
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 25, 2021, 03:20:01 PM
Nah, Chang and Choi will team up with Xanadu again simply becuz the trio works well as a team.
And even if they return to Kim, who's Gang-Il going to end up with then?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Segatron on June 25, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
Nah, Chang and Choi will team up with Xanadu again simply becuz the trio works well as a team.
And even if they return to Kim, who's Gang-Il going to end up with then?

New version of Masters team, Heidern can be used from his XIV and so is Tung. But It's likely he will be with Kim or just remain sidelined
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 25, 2021, 03:44:19 PM
Nah, Chang and Choi will team up with Xanadu again simply becuz the trio works well as a team.
And even if they return to Kim, who's Gang-Il going to end up with then?

Yes, that's right, but it can be a good opportunity to bring back Jhun <3
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 25, 2021, 03:49:25 PM
Nah, Chang and Choi will team up with Xanadu again simply becuz the trio works well as a team.
And even if they return to Kim, who's Gang-Il going to end up with then?

New version of Masters team, Heidern can be used from his XIV and so is Tung. But It's likely he will be with Kim or just remain sidelined

I think Tung is likely dead or too fragile to fight anymore.
Heidern is a good candidate, but we'd be missing a third fighter if we were to bring Masters team back.
I would like to see Takuma, but since the chances are quite slim, I'd say Gang-Il will remain with Kim while Chang & Choi will remain with Xanadu.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Umezono on June 25, 2021, 04:15:24 PM
What makes you think Tung is too old to fight or dead? In the XIV manga he was looking pretty fit. I'd rather see Takuma than him, though
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kolossoni on June 25, 2021, 05:48:55 PM
He states that Shun'ei & Meiten... whatever he's called were his last students. He then asks Saisyu to ask Kyo/Benimaru/Daimon to look after the two in the future (thus the reason why I think Benimaru teamed up with them instead of Tung for 15).

Tung was introduced in 14 as the "Chinese" master for Shun'ei & Meiten (we also have Chin, but he has Athena and Kensou) and since Beni is their mentor now, I think Tung is either too old to fight or dead lorewise, either way.

I like Tung, but he's more of a one-shot character in my eyes to introduce two new Chinese heroes. He was only introduced to KOF in XI and even then, he had little development.
It was also heavily hinted that he had a hard time competing in 14 also, so I don't think his absence is that big of a surprise...

His age is one thing (he's always been old), but I think his body has become too fragile to fight and him as a fighter became too frail due to time... I wouldn't say he's "dead" but I certainly think he won't be back for 15.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on June 30, 2021, 04:58:41 AM
they seems to be announcing the next character trailer in fortnight instead of weekly in a row after they postponed the release in 2022:
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1410055488369172480
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 30, 2021, 05:01:54 AM
This is disgustingly frustrating jfc
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 30, 2021, 05:26:20 AM
This game has enough characters to showcase a gameplay demo of some kind. That would be better than no reveal so what gives on their end?
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: 087-B on June 30, 2021, 05:31:10 AM
It's just irritating to wait through a week of silence, hoping the next trailer will be worth it, only for them to announce, the day before, out of nowhere, that it's delayed.



I dunno it's just... REALLY frustrating.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 30, 2021, 05:36:56 AM
Making us wait months for characters like K', Kim and Athena lmao
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Kirishima on June 30, 2021, 06:07:44 AM
At this point, we are gonna get the last character reveals for SFV and Smash Ultimate before this game even shows us what the lifebars look like.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 30, 2021, 09:23:05 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with reveals being delayed if we actually got new stuff, but even the characters that weren't in KoFXIV aren't new ones. Like, waiting a long time for more copy-pasted assets from the previous game to be shown isn't exactly exciting or rewarding.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: RagingRowen on June 30, 2021, 09:49:56 AM
I'm gonna be honest and say I forgot that this was Silhouette Day. Sad news, though.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: Momotaro on June 30, 2021, 02:03:08 PM
Since the last one, I have no more expectation...
Nothing to "shatter" here...

If they release in 2023 or 2024... They decide...
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: RagingRowen on June 30, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
I miss the novel stuff like Idle Stances and BGM Previews, it was filler but at least we could get a close glimpse at the fighters and other areas.
The variety needs an upgrade during the supposed extended wait between trailers.
I understand the reasonable delay, but I like my appetizers.
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: oraora? on July 06, 2021, 05:07:17 PM
https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/1412426113482039297
List of console systems that kofxv will run
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: walt on July 06, 2021, 07:51:24 PM
PS4?   YES!!!

Day 1 buy!
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: drewski90 on July 06, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
i need to get an xbox series x or s whichever is better in order to play this, but they're all sold out
Title: Re: KoF XV
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 06, 2021, 08:39:10 PM
Damn, no Switch version?