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Title: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
With the most recent release, thought this could use a discussion thread to itself.  For those new to it, Death Battle is a video series by Screwattack where two characters from separate sources with similar themes and who would not normally meet are placed in a death match, with research done on both contestants to decide who'll be the winner.  Also by the same animators is One Minute Melee, a similar series of matches between similar characters, but minus the research.

A playlist of all the previous episodes of Death Battle can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB833073B659FD65A).  One Minute Melee's can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY_6uAtgkYXmXFl-zzZ0wQErGi4AbgSkn).

Their most recent release was Blake versus Mikasa.


Feel free to discuss current and upcoming matches, match requests and reasons why Majin Buu vs Kirby is completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 09, 2015, 04:01:09 am
I feel like Guts vs. Nightmare was a really nice return to form. Something about some of their other recent battles (cough Samus vs Boba Fett remaster) seems kinda off, but this one felt a lot more natural and well-done to me. Maybe it was the lack of wonky 3D models.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Kirishima on April 09, 2015, 04:04:14 am
Not surprised they went with Oggy's sprites but CVS Artist's Nightmare too is new.  BTW Seanaltly's Scorpion sprites were used for their Ryu vs Scorpion fight.  Awesome.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 09, 2015, 04:05:49 am
In a way, Death Battle has been quite an educational thing for me. I've never heard of Guts before this match... I now know that he has to be one of the most, if not the most, scariest son of a bitch in anime/manga history. Seriously! What this guy went through is beyond insane.. It makes you want to give him a big old bro hug, you know.

I do like the idea of Iron Man vs. Lex Luthor. That ought to be a fun one.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: MotorRoach on April 09, 2015, 04:09:26 am
This the only Death Battle video I actually enjoyed. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDSt8OHkx0)
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Kirishima on April 09, 2015, 04:14:23 am
It'll be awesome if @Shockdingo reprises his role as Lex Luthor if Death Battle uses the custom sprites from Mugen.

In a way, Death Battle has been quite an educational thing for me. I've never heard of Guts before this match... I now know that he has to be one of the most, if not the most, scariest son of a bitch in anime/manga history. Seriously! What this guy went through is beyond insane.. It makes you want to give him a big old bro hug, you know.
On a side note, he's also popular in Japanese Mugen where he has a fan-made manga where he and Vergil from Devil May Cry go in their wacky Mugen adventures.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: R565 on April 09, 2015, 04:16:48 am
Heck yeah! Now this is Vintage Death Battle! The 3d really left a sad taste in my mouth but I am so glad they went back to school.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Long John Killer on April 09, 2015, 04:20:29 am
Personally my favorite in execution thus far as been Ryu v.s. Scorpion (Except how they end the match.  Not the victor, just how lackluster it ended) and in concept Master Chief v.s. DoomGuy.  While probably not very likely, I hope they revisit their older matches at some point, to incorporate new info and skills at the most or remaster at the least.

Down the road, of course.  Got plenty new ideas as is, Iron Man v.s. Lex Luthor next, likely to stop him from stealing cakes of course, and I believe Galactus v.s. Unicron was one they had planned down the line as well.

As per 3D matches, RoboCop v.s. Terminator is actually my second favorite of their matches done thus far, but being who the contestants are is half the reason to that as well.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Deadface on April 09, 2015, 04:28:05 am
On a side note, he's also popular in Japanese Mugen where he has a fan-made manga where he and Vergil from Devil May Cry go in their wacky Mugen adventures.
...you're shittin' me.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: MR. IBZS II on April 09, 2015, 04:30:16 am
If anyone needs a redo, it should be Mario vs. Sonic. Mario used Smash Flash 2 sprites, which isn't that many attacks to go on, compared to Sonic's Sonic Battle sprites, which has hundreds, if not thousands of edits... Plus, Mario doesn't get tired...
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Kirishima on April 09, 2015, 04:31:06 am
On a side note, he's also popular in Japanese Mugen where he has a fan-made manga where he and Vergil from Devil May Cry go in their wacky Mugen adventures.
...you're shittin' me.
Pixiv Nagare.  Even Shar-Makai from Black Heart is there.


I just noticed it's taking them too long to have a DB involving Vergil with Bugya' sprites.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Long John Killer on April 09, 2015, 05:20:35 am
Unfortunately they've yet to do anything Devil May Cry in Death Battle, but Screwattack did use his Dante in their other show One Minute Melee, for what that's worth.

Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 09, 2015, 05:23:37 am
Well, that is something worth looking into in the future for them. I think that there is someone out there that would be good for Dante to face in Death Battle.

BTW, One Minute Melee can be fun as well. It's basically just 'let them fight' and see which side gets pissed off first because their character lost.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: hatter on April 09, 2015, 05:24:03 am
This the only Death Battle video I actually enjoyed. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDSt8OHkx0)

That was so awesome. I enjoyed that battle a lot.

I guess if we're talking about our fav. Death Battle segments, then mine are:
- Master Chief v. Doomguy
- Thor v. Raiden
-  Samus Aran v. Boba Fett (remastered)
-  Link v. Cloud Strife

Can't wait for the Guts and Nightmare battle. Bound to be exciting :)

Unfortunately they've yet to do anything Devil May Cry in Death Battle, but Screwattack did use his Dante in their other show One Minute Melee, for what that's worth.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px7meNVRbzU[/youtube]

Yeah that melee was great. I actually prefer it over Death Battle, peobably because their's no Boomstick and Wizard.... :innocent:
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Deadface on April 09, 2015, 05:30:13 am
I just noticed it's taking them too long to have a DB involving Vergil with Bugya' sprites.
Vergil vs. ...who, though?

Speaking of OMM, I like 'em but I felt cheated out of my favorite one. lol
Sakuya vs. DIO was some hype shit.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: rgveda99 on April 09, 2015, 06:35:31 am
I prefer watching their 1 minute melee like that Terry Bogard vs Burai

By the way, do mugen sprite artist get paid for borrowing their artwork?
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Duos.act on April 09, 2015, 01:54:19 pm
I prefer watching their 1 minute melee like that Terry Bogard vs Burai

By the way, do mugen sprite artist get paid for borrowing their artwork?

From what I saw (discussion with one of the animators hired for the Ragna vs Sol DB) no, all they do is pay a sprite animator to put the animation together.  Where the actual sprites come from doesn't matter, so no payment or credit is given to the spriters themselves.

If you have information that contradicts this please post it so I don't accidentally slander someone.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Thagr8test on April 09, 2015, 03:28:20 pm
They do actually give credit to sprite creators in the credits of the video an example would be the scorpion and ryu battle where they used sean altly's scorpion sprites
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: MAO11 on April 09, 2015, 04:53:15 pm
really liked their one minute melee by far my favourite is dio brando vs. sakuya izayoi.

since we're talking about death battles this guy just started a series just like screwattack's except it's live action. lol dragonborn's last words.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: hatter on April 09, 2015, 04:59:22 pm
They do actually give credit to sprite creators in the credits of the video an example would be the scorpion and ryu battle where they used sean altly's scorpion sprites

I remember them crediting chuchoryu for his Juri Han sprites in the Kim Kaphwan v. Juri Han melee.



really liked their one minute melee by far my favourite is dio brando vs. sakuya izayoi.

since we're talking about death battles this guy just started a series just like screwattack's except it's live action. lol dragonborn's last words.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBlhXKjSy6M[/youtube]

The Sakuya Izayoi v. Dio Brando melee is my all time fav, right next to Terry v. Burai, Kim v. Juri, and Capt. Commando v. Capt. Falcon.


Also this live action DB idea should be interesting.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 05:11:02 pm
They do actually give credit to sprite creators in the credits of the video an example would be the scorpion and ryu battle where they used sean altly's scorpion sprites
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/cci_walt/RRRRRIGHT_zpstjpweqlp.png)

... Nor the SF3 Ryu sprites or the ERyu sprites are POTS' :S


I remember them crediting chuchoryu for his Juri Han sprites in the Kim Kaphwan v. Juri Han melee.
Nobody credited anywhere -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTZ8xtVxhCM
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Thagr8test on April 09, 2015, 05:21:29 pm
yeah I was wondering how pots fit into the whole thing but I don't know his history like that so I didn't want to assume anything
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 05:24:10 pm
I'm pretty sure they just took Reu's ERyu from POTS' site, and thought POTS made it. Not to mention, I believe Reu even mentioned that the sprite edits in his characters weren't even made by him, but King Tigre.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Duos.act on April 09, 2015, 05:33:23 pm
You are correct.  That was partially the source of the Evil Homer controversy years ago was that the FX were left unchanged, and the FX/sprites were by KingTigre and TMasta and NOT Reu. 

I guess I should take the L on this one, I honestly never noticed the credits.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 05:38:07 pm
No, I mean, I just want to contact the Screw Attack guys and tell them "Hey, were this English speaking community, you could contact us for info instead of trampling all over the community's work for Youtube profits"

If they come here, we can at least tell them how to properly credit the spriters, or even get help, who knows.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Duos.act on April 09, 2015, 05:41:19 pm
Assuming my info is right Screwattack don't make the animations, they commission animators to do them.  You're right though, a little courtesy would be nice.  I'm sure most people wouldn't mind their stuff being used at all, as it gets more people aware of their work.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 05:59:55 pm
Exactly. More exposure of MUGEN means we could make the community grow.

I've contacted them through Twitter, invited them to come here (they know MFG exists because they've used POTS and Sean Altly's materials) - Let's see if they respond the call.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Kirishima on April 09, 2015, 06:05:26 pm
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/cci_walt/RRRRRIGHT_zpstjpweqlp.png)
Quote
SEAN ATLY
:gonkgoi:

FATE
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 06:07:29 pm
oh yeah, someone is getting suplexed
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: AlexSin on April 09, 2015, 06:27:05 pm
The only time I remember they credited someone correctly is when there was that Toph vs Gaara Death Battle, in which they credited AkumaTh for the Toph spritesheet, which is correct (they even put the spritesheet in the description)...

Since we're talking about ScrewAttack, the best One Minute Melee for me was Mr. Satan vs Dan. Of course, not great sprite edits for some instances, but I really enjoyed it, which is rare for me.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Duos.act on April 09, 2015, 08:13:47 pm
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/cci_walt/RRRRRIGHT_zpstjpweqlp.png)
Quote
SEAN ATLY
:gonkgoi:

FATE

It's a step up from Sean Atly or SEANALITY I'm sure.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: DEATH BATTLE! on April 09, 2015, 11:37:11 pm
Hey everyone! Walt reached out to us and we've been speaking via e-mail. Apologies for any confusion on sprite crediting. Sometimes when we come across assets we'd like to use in the episode we can't track down the exact source. The internet's a big place haha. But, I want to express to you that we always do attempt to track down the source for proper crediting / permission. We'll definitively pop into this community for future episodes that require Mugen sprites to ensure everything's on the up and up.  Glad you guys enjoy the show!

Love,
Boomstick
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 11:40:35 pm
BOOM!
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Duos.act on April 09, 2015, 11:41:54 pm
Awesome job Walt.  You're the best.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 09, 2015, 11:49:48 pm
I'm pretty sure these guys will definitely be interested in some of the cool things that have been going on lately around here.

We've gotta admit that while gaming at large is becoming more mainstream, this 2D FG fandom is getting pretty niche, so we should all be friends :P
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Kirishima on April 09, 2015, 11:57:01 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: hatter on April 10, 2015, 12:03:04 am
Holy hell, its Boomstick. Great work, walt!! :D
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Thagr8test on April 10, 2015, 12:06:11 am
didn't expect that so soon but thats definitely cool. Question what was the first death battle you guys saw? I first watched the tmnt episode
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: AlexSin on April 10, 2015, 12:11:19 am
I think Chun Li vs Mai Shiranui, or Link vs Cloud, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Long John Killer on April 10, 2015, 12:14:45 am
Must resist temptation to suggest for Lara Croft v.s. Indiana Jones and Spike Spiegel v.s. Mokoto Kusanagi straight to source...

Thanks for that though, Walt.  Awesome job, you're the best.

didn't expect that so soon but thats definitely cool. Question what was the first death battle you guys saw? I first watched the tmnt episode
I think Goomba v.s. Koopa.  Then I was saddened Wonder Woman didn't explode Rogue's head in one punch, but was happy Samus did similar enough to Boba.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Shockdingo on April 10, 2015, 12:25:47 am
It'll be awesome if @Shockdingo reprises his role as Lex Luthor if Death Battle uses the custom sprites from Mugen.


I'd love to do that! Hah, I actually sent my voice demo to them a bit back and they gave it a listen. It would be awesome if they did call me in for that or anything, but who knows. Also, glad they've gone back to sprites with the latest vid.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Bea on April 10, 2015, 12:40:21 am
I'm pretty sure these guys will definitely be interested in some of the cool things that have been going on lately around here.

We've gotta admit that while gaming at large is becoming more mainstream, this 2D FG fandom is getting pretty niche, so we should all be friends :P

No. I refuse to and challenge you to the most traditional barbarian martial art, Jello wrestling!
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: walt on April 10, 2015, 01:07:35 am
Argh, that's not gonna work for me, I got a Dentist appointment. SEE YA
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Shockdingo on April 10, 2015, 03:48:10 am
I'm pretty sure these guys will definitely be interested in some of the cool things that have been going on lately around here.

We've gotta admit that while gaming at large is becoming more mainstream, this 2D FG fandom is getting pretty niche, so we should all be friends :P

No. I refuse to and challenge you to the most traditional barbarian martial art, Jello wrestling!

'Tis truly a sacred art. I'll get the WarDrums and Conan soundtracks
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Iced on April 10, 2015, 03:54:59 am
Heh, thats cool. I remember they used my team's Vegeta here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRImBS_bCfE
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Thagr8test on April 10, 2015, 04:17:24 am
Ill gladly wrestle in his place but i insist on the jello being blue
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: Dumanios on April 10, 2015, 05:13:00 am
So, my favorite deathbattles are probably Chuck Norris vs. Segata Sanshiro, Thor vs. Raiden, Spidey vs. Batman, and Samus vs. Boba 2.

Though I'm admittedly a sucker for epic fights.

My favorite one minute melee by quite a bit is Sakuya vs. DIO.


And as for Ironman vs. Lex Luthor, my money's on Ironman.
Title: Re: Death Battle
Post by: MAO11 on April 10, 2015, 02:21:39 pm
luthor is my favourite non watchmen dc character. nite owl vs. batman needs to happen.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 16, 2015, 03:36:45 am
Just gonna go ahead and change the thread to cover One Minute Melee as well, since that's from the same team of animators and also is from Screwattack.

The previously taken down Sol Badguy vs Ragna fight was reuploaded.  So that's there.


And Iron Man's preview for his match was uploaded.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: S. Jetstream on April 16, 2015, 03:42:41 am
This the only Death Battle video I actually enjoyed. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDSt8OHkx0)

Damn, that chars have to be in mugen(chuck is already), and their super-mega-hyper-extra-galactic-universal arts too
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on April 16, 2015, 03:45:05 am
The previously taken down Sol Badguy vs Ragna fight was reuploaded.  So that's there.
Why was it taken down?  ArcSys can be so sensitive these days.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 16, 2015, 03:56:35 am
I have a feeling Tony has no chance against Luthor.
Luthor stole 40 cakes. That is as many as 4 tens and it is terrible. How can Tony beat that?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 16, 2015, 04:02:37 am
The previously taken down Sol Badguy vs Ragna fight was reuploaded.  So that's there.
Why was it taken down?  ArcSys can be so sensitive these days.

I think it had nothing to do with Arc System Works and more to do with the animator of the battle.

The Animator got pissed off over something and forced them to take the battle down.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 16, 2015, 04:30:03 am
Some of the fan art used for Sol went uncredited, the artists were not happy.  They are now in the video's description though.

I have a feeling Tony has no chance against Luthor.
Luthor stole 40 cakes. That is as many as 4 tens and it is terrible. How can Tony beat that?
I will be sorely disappointed if the match is not started over Tony going to capture Lex over his mass pastry theft.  Or at least a quip about the greatest accomplishment Lex has ever done is become known for stealing cakes.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 16, 2015, 11:57:41 am
Yes, it will be pretty sad if they don't even do a passing mention over Lex vilest deed to this day.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 16, 2015, 01:21:18 pm
I was a little upset they missed a perfect opportunity to explain in all seriousness how Chuck Norris lost to everyone in The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny in his video, so I hope they don't miss this for Lex now.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on April 16, 2015, 05:47:41 pm
Some of the fan art used for Sol went uncredited, the artists were not happy.  They are now in the video's description though.

It was just one fan art and he was credited at the end in the credits. He was just pissed that they didn't ask for permission for it in the first place and went ahead and filed a copyright claim for Youtube to take it down.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on April 21, 2015, 01:41:51 am
Any last minute predictions for the next episode?  I think I'm going to give this one to Lex, since he bodies Superman on a regular basis and is one of the only regular humans to do so. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 21, 2015, 01:45:19 am
Luthor stole 40 cakes.
He got this.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 21, 2015, 01:54:13 am
My in-depth knowledge on both of them is rather weak, but from what I've seen for the most part they match each other in their suit offensive and defensive capabilities.  Or at least counter each if not quite the same level.  Lex however bases his energy attack tech on Kryptonite radiation, something outside Tony's universe and something he doesn't have the right defenses for.  I presume Tony will die a painful death from radiation.

Unless his suit has a cure-all magitech option.  Then Tony with his army of autopiloted suits besting Lex and his bots.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on April 21, 2015, 01:54:50 am
luthor if he'll pull that anti-life(matter i forgot what it's called again) thing then yes he'll win.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 21, 2015, 01:58:34 am
Also wait, last minute predictions?  They still have to do Lex's pre-battle preview on Wednesday then wait another week.

Oh right, something I meant to do when I last updated the thread.  Video of the last One Minute Melee too, Lucario and Renamon.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Chronan on April 21, 2015, 02:39:20 am
I'm not a fan myself, but even less so given their manner of crediting basically appears to be "whatever name we see first":
(http://i.imgur.com/MgfwcRP.jpg)

I never knew Cyanide was a sprite artist! Failed credit on Neocide's Kid Buu sprites that he might as well have made from scratch, the work he put in on those back in the day was nuts. The other guys coded the UB22 characters and at most just ripped the sprites AFAIK. I can understand fucking it up a bit, but when you know enough to gut and rip stuff out of a Mugen character at least check the ReadMes that are included with said character.

Normally, I wouldn't care about credit these days. BUT they enabled advertisement on that video, so they are effectively they are making change off Neocide's work and others who may or may not be credited. The very least all their researchers could do is.. basic research. A bit salty, but hey that's just my take on it. They just went lazy on the easy part.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on April 21, 2015, 02:46:36 am
Even people in our own community seem to have a problem with that!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 22, 2015, 11:13:57 pm
With Walt's little discussion with them, hopefully that mistake won't happen again.


Lex's preview is up.  So yeah, they're using the Kryptonite blasts, Iron Man's dead I'd say.

Spoiler: Preview picture from their Facebook (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on April 22, 2015, 11:40:10 pm
i don't want them to use sprites at all. sprites are too limited and only suitable for video games, plus you can only watch them from one angle.
they should make all their fights with 3d models. that way they can put them anywhere and have them do basically anything they can MoCap.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 22, 2015, 11:42:07 pm
They'd need to step up their model game, then, because almost all of the 3D models I've seen them use were kinda shoddy.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 22, 2015, 11:45:04 pm
... No mention to Lex vilest deed to this day on his intro... :(
I am a sad Bea. I hope they mention the terrible act of stealing 40 cakes during the fight at least.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 23, 2015, 12:10:48 am
They do cut out a lot of details in these small previews, I wouldn't be too worried that they'll miss Lex's biggest ongoing joke in the full thing.

I've been seeing Sora of Kingdom Hearts vs Pit from Kid Icarus suggestions a lot in their pages and videos.  Personally I'd much rather Sora vs Sailor Moon.  Still keeps to the young heros with the power of light theme, both have silly other forms and goofy weapons, completely ridiculous over the top powers and actually have ample sprite selections.

Plus you got the whole Sora saves princesses and Sailor Moon resents that notion bit.  And they've already done Gundam and Dragonball, though they seem to have something against the latter.  Missing the third mainstream anime classic.  Plus while I can't vouch for certain having not played much Kid Icarus, the small bits of info I do know, Pit seems hopelessly outclassed in that matchup.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on April 23, 2015, 01:20:28 am
i don't want them to use sprites at all. sprites are too limited and only suitable for video games, plus you can only watch them from one angle.
they should make all their fights with 3d models. that way they can put them anywhere and have them do basically anything they can MoCap.

Not completely true. If you saw the Raiden v. Thor battle, you'll see that there was more than one angle being used. It just depends on the way they do it:



They'd need to step up their model game, then, because almost all of the 3D models I've seen them use were kinda shoddy.

Yeah, the only good Death Battle/One Minute Melee with 3D models were Samus Aran v. Boba Fett, Deadpool v. Deathstroke (Death Battle) and Batman v. Albert Wesker.

Spoiler: Completely off-topic (click to see content)

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 27, 2015, 07:12:10 pm

New One Minute Melee.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 29, 2015, 11:42:06 pm
Double post for new Death Battle.


Before you start, yes, Lex's diabolical cake misdeed is indeed taken into account.

Spoiler: Winner and next battle (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on April 30, 2015, 12:06:38 am
Yeah this is defiantly one of my new favorites, probably top 3.  Like the dramatic music in the last scene.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 30, 2015, 12:22:14 am
At least it was animated better than the previous ones. Voice acting could've used a bit more work, but Lex's dialogue was pretty sweet.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 30, 2015, 12:32:22 am
That was good.
Animation was much better, but I am not keen on the shaders used.
Dialogue could have used more work too.

And good that Lex most devilish heist was mentioned.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 30, 2015, 01:16:50 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sean Altly on May 01, 2015, 05:44:13 am
I know I'm late to the party, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of this. Aside from being improperly credited, I have to assume that with videos getting into the millions of views, they're making some sort of money off of them. I know what I created was considered fanart since the sprites are of another company's intellectual property so I'm not going to cause a fuss over it. I know I should be happy that over 4 million people have viewed something that contained my work, but it just doesn't sit well with me. :-\
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on May 08, 2015, 01:42:09 am

Beast's preview.  Doesn't introduce much that most don't already know though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on May 08, 2015, 02:27:28 am
Aside from using the awesome intro theme to the old X-Men cartoon from the early 90's. :)

It'll be nice to get a refresher of Goliath and Gargoyles next week before the match up in two weeks.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on May 08, 2015, 03:18:12 am
the 90's x-men theme song is awesome.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on May 15, 2015, 12:08:48 am

Goliath's preview is out.  Not much on abilities here either.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on May 21, 2015, 01:18:46 am
Beast vs Goliath is out.



Update: Changed vid link since it's back up
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: walt on May 21, 2015, 01:26:43 am
mmh... Whose Beast Sprites are those? They look familiar.

I wonder what they'll use for Solid Snake. If they go full 3D it'd be easier.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on May 21, 2015, 01:34:25 am
I enjoyed this one, and the winner was appropriate.  I expected more dialogue though.  Guess I should blame Tony and Lex talking up a storm in theirs.  And yay, I guessed the Goliath sprites correctly.

Solid Snake, huh?  I've mostly avoided the series until I've gotten the chance to start from the beginning, and I have an opportunity coming up soon.  Guess I'm not going to have enough time to cram everything about the seires by next Wednesday's preview though.

Well the only two I can place to rival him on what I do know, spy to spy, are James Bond and Joanna Dark.  Both I'd prefer to win.  Nothing against Snake, just I know the other two and like them more than I do Snake.

Since thinking it over since last posting it, now I seriously want Sailor Moon and Sora though....

Also, I think they uploaded the wrong version.  Goliath is missing part of the text for his info, and they forgot the usual "fight" announcement before they fight.  Well, the video was made private, guess they did upload the wrong version by mistake.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on May 21, 2015, 02:22:06 am
I kinda wished it lasted longer, though. IMHO, it felt waaaayy too short.

Also:

Since thinking it over since last posting it, now I seriously want Sailor Moon and Sora though....

 ._.

I honestly think that Sora versus.... I don't know, maybe a Tales character, or a Fire Emblem swordsman would sound a lot more badass than Sailor Moon. I'd rather they not do it based on the theme if it would lead to that match-up. That's an opinion though, don't take it too seriously.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on May 21, 2015, 02:26:46 am
I cannot say for certain, I have not played either of those series's, but as I recall, Sora's potential makes him a possible universe destroyer.  As is Sailor Moon.  I would imagine they would be dreadfully outclassed, similar to Pit who's been often suggested with Sora.

Though really I'm just curious for both Kingdom Hearts and Sailor Moon to make some appearance, they're both overdue.  Why not together?  They fit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on May 21, 2015, 02:30:41 am
The solution is clear.
Carmen Sandiego vs Wally (or Waldo, as Wally is called in some strange places).
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Post by: Kirishima on May 21, 2015, 02:31:56 am
So they indeed went with the custom Beast sprites.  And I thought there would be sprite clashing but that video pulled it off well.

I was rooting for Beast too.  Oh well.

I guessing Snake's match might be rendered in 3D.  Unless they somehow found out how to spell SeanAltly's name right.

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Carmen Sandiego vs Wally (or Waldo, as Wally is called in some strange places).
This is new to me.  Didn't know Waldo went by other names.

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mmh... Whose Beast Sprites are those? They look familiar.
Acey and Co.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on May 21, 2015, 03:09:00 am
The video's back.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on May 21, 2015, 04:00:23 am
Updated my post with the uploaded vid now. Thanks for letting me know, though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on May 21, 2015, 05:35:34 am
base from the clips  gargoyles sure has some pretty animation for a 90's cartoon i don't remember it was like that.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on May 28, 2015, 06:46:26 pm

Snake's preview is out.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on June 03, 2015, 05:50:34 am

Guess what's out early?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on June 03, 2015, 06:16:47 am
Most were right about this match going full 3D.  I'm surprised the codec portrait positions were out of place.  Curious about that one, but match was great.

Oh cool, Vader.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on June 03, 2015, 01:32:33 pm
imo fisher vs snake is the best one they ever done.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on June 03, 2015, 04:28:27 pm
BEST DEATH BATTLE YET
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on June 04, 2015, 12:01:49 am
man that was intense I was with snake all the way never got into splinter cell
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: SNT on June 10, 2015, 04:22:28 am
https://twitter.com/ScrewAttack/status/608360456135307264

Doom's gonna wipe the floor with this lego man.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on June 10, 2015, 04:40:03 am
Doom enthusiasts, is there anything preventing Vader from using Force Choke on Doom and finishing the match in seconds?  I don't believe they count it as magic for Doom to counteract it with magic, and I don't know much on Doom's suit on the technological side what it can do to prevent it.  Though I disagree with the match's outcome, Pikachu vs Blanka showed they don't particularly mind going for the quick and easy win when provided, so I doubt they'll just skip Force Choking him because it's too unfair.

My only guess is blending in with an army of Doombots, but can't Force-users detect life?  And magic powers across the galaxy, if I recall one of the novels correctly.  So that doesn't seem like the most effective strategy.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on June 10, 2015, 05:20:34 am
If his various magical and technological safeguards built into his suit aren't able to protect him, surely he'd be able to fire off a finger laser or cast an incantation that would either kill or at least distract Vader enough to get him to drop his concentration and free Doom?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on June 10, 2015, 05:32:57 am
magic and incantation? isn't he supposed to be a metalized human who can control electricity?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 10, 2015, 05:38:34 am
That ain't even the half of it. Doom is OP, he's constructed from the ground up to only be defeated by teamwork and his threat grew exponentially early on because FF was the flagship comic of Marvel in the 60s.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 10, 2015, 05:45:07 am
magic and incantation? isn't he supposed to be a metalized human who can control electricity?
That's just the shitty movie version(s).

The mainstream version of Dr. Doom, classically, has no inherent superpowers. He's got a genius intellect and is equally skilled in both science and magic; his power armor rivals and in many cases surpasses Iron Man's suite of armors, and his skill in sorcery rivals that of Dr. Strange! He's invented his own time machine, incredibly lifelike robot doubles of himself that can and have fooled most everyone, and rules over his own nation. He is an expert tactician and has had numerous, complicates schemes and plots over the years that have seen him gain omnipotence and/or world domination multiple times, which were undone not because the heroes were able to overcome him, but because of his own failings. He is the premiere Marvel villain, their very best. All are beneath Doom. :doom:
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 10, 2015, 08:06:44 pm
magic and incantation? isn't he supposed to be a metalized human who can control electricity?

*bitch slaps supervegeta*

How DARE you mention that failed version of Doom? To the mines with you!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on June 10, 2015, 09:07:00 pm
That's just the shitty movie version(s).

The mainstream version of Dr. Doom, classically, has no inherent superpowers. He's got a genius intellect and is equally skilled in both science and magic; his power armor rivals and in many cases surpasses Iron Man's suite of armors, and his skill in sorcery rivals that of Dr. Strange! He's invented his own time machine, incredibly lifelike robot doubles of himself that can and have fooled most everyone, and rules over his own nation. He is an expert tactician and has had numerous, complicates schemes and plots over the years that have seen him gain omnipotence and/or world domination multiple times, which were undone not because the heroes were able to overcome him, but because of his own failings. He is the premiere Marvel villain, their very best. All are beneath Doom. :doom:

Last I checked, he also got punched silly by Luke Cage for a meagre 100 bucks debt...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on June 11, 2015, 05:22:58 am
Well look, you don't mess with Luke Cage:
(http://i.imgur.com/EWqo7US.jpg)

Luke Cage could beat up Vader too, though! A force choke can't get through unbreakable skin!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 15, 2015, 10:50:33 pm
Not really Death Battle or Minute Melee.. buuut I thought its worth a watch
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on June 18, 2015, 01:42:15 am
The animation itself is nice, I just hate how he uses radically different soundclips that sound inconsistent with eachother for Spider-Man, Batman and Superman and the others.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2015, 01:53:30 am

Darth Vader's preview is out.  Part of me is surprised by the sprite choice for him, but the alternatives are not many or much better.  The animator's going to have to have Vader being really defensive, or get really creative with their edits and animations.  Likely both.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on June 18, 2015, 02:22:07 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJVE7xkN5I[/youtube]
Darth Vader's preview is out.  Part of me is surprised by the sprite choice for him, but the alternatives are not many or much better.  The animator's going to have to have Vader being really defensive, or get really creative with their edits and animations.  Likely both.

Oh my God, I can't wait to see Doctor Doom's. :D
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on June 25, 2015, 03:57:30 am

Dr. Doom's preview's out.

Eh, I'd prefer Vader to win, but Doom's preview is lacking any significant info, which leads me to believe they'll drop the big stuff in the full episode that'll pull it in his favor.  Though Vader's preview didn't exactly bring up much on his EU accomplishments, so maybe I'm looking into it too much.

They're doing nice with what there is on Vader's sprites at least.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 01, 2015, 08:13:19 pm

Full episode's out. It's pretty good.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 01, 2015, 09:13:39 pm
I liked it... of course, I liked it more seeing that Doom won. :)

What I don't like... is what they have planned next. I thought that the previous match settled everything and even if Goku went SSJ God Mode, Superman would still be stronger then he is by miles.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on July 01, 2015, 09:38:00 pm
Not to mention that they are also using New 52 Superman, who got an awful overpowered new ability recently.
There is no point in this match. Zero. The result will be the same.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on July 01, 2015, 09:39:02 pm
IDFC about Goku vs Superman again, BUT im fucking excited to see Torian's fight animation for their fight, seriously, the guy does gorgeous animation, he would make Monty Oum proud.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 01, 2015, 09:42:14 pm
They just want to crush Goku fans' hopes and dreams even further. :3c
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Post by: -Whiplash- on July 01, 2015, 09:53:33 pm
Seriously IDK why this is such a big debate.

Superman would beat Goku in a fight. Who cares really?

I notice the Goku fans on the internet go crazy and come up with bullshit usually involving understating Superman's powers. My favorite part of their arguments is when they try to say that Goku fans are the "Minority" on this issue, when I rarely ever see anyone say Superman can win.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: OZ on July 01, 2015, 10:05:21 pm
I rarely ever see anyone say Superman can win.

seeing as he's a plot device in a cape, the only people who root for him have to be more boring than he is

the only interesting superman is one who realizes that he makes for a really shitty hero

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 01, 2015, 10:35:43 pm
didn't they strip him of his powers in this latest run to give a new spin on his character?
or did they wipe off that version of him in convergence?
i personally don't like him a lot, but i love the stories that deconstruct characters like him, i.e, The boys and Irredeemable.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 01, 2015, 11:18:25 pm
Yeah he lost his powers recently.


seeing as he's a plot device in a cape, the only people who root for him have to be more boring than he is

the only interesting superman is one who realizes that he makes for a really shitty hero

Regardless of your opinion on him, he'll win Because he's OP as fuck. It has nothing to do with which character you like more. which is something people try to turn these kinds of things into.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on July 02, 2015, 01:42:59 am
And to make matters worse, they are going to use the New 52 Superman, whose strength exceeds 5.972 sextillion metric tons (far, FAR more than the 200 quintillion tons used in the previous episode), who also has the solar-flare all out attack and who is a complete prick.

They could have made Thor vs Goku, Wonder Woman vs Goku, Aquaman vs Goku (for laughs, because while Aquaman is powerful, he is no match to Goku), use Martian Manhunter or Seiya from Saint Seiya vs Goku and it would be more interesting to see and fairer, closer fights.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on July 02, 2015, 01:58:14 am
down the line It would be cool to see of the green lanterns fight someone from the nova corps
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on July 02, 2015, 02:24:20 am
Yes, of course Doom wins. He's just on such a ridiculously higher plane than Vader, even with the latter's much more over-the-top feats that were added by EU sources. But honestly, after this week's Secret Wars, all I could think was "why is Darth Vader giving Doom any amount of trouble?"

seeing as he's a plot device in a cape, the only people who root for him have to be more boring than he is

the only interesting superman is one who realizes that he makes for a really shitty hero
Look, while this claim is easily disprove and objectively untrue, let us all try and humor this thought for a bit. Remember who it is Superman is being compared to: Goku, the most one dimensional and boring character in the history of the universe! ;P
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on July 02, 2015, 02:28:44 am
superman is great but don't you bad mouth goku! I demand you retract that statement at once!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 02, 2015, 02:30:01 am
Look, while this claim is easily disprove and objectively untrue, let us all try and humor this thought for a bit. Remember who it is Superman is being compared to: Goku, the most one dimensional and boring character in the history of the universe! ;P

I was actually going to mention this but didn't feel like responding/ reading the massive amount of flames.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on July 02, 2015, 02:31:46 am
superman is great but don't you bad mouth goku! I demand you retract that statement at once!
I'm just saiyan, every single argument about Superman being "boring" applies doubly to Goku!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Iced on July 02, 2015, 02:32:20 am
Quote
the most one dimensional and boring character in the history of the universe!

described superman to a T

except for the whole Murder thing.
you missed that part


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d128/KurtisSmejkal/tumblr_muut8dO80u1rtmz6uo1_500_zpsd2e5b915.gif)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on July 02, 2015, 02:36:44 am
I think they just like bathing in the tears of fan boys because there really is no reason for this to take place again unless they going to let goku win and setup a third fight down the line or some shit
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on July 02, 2015, 02:46:22 am
described superman to a T

except for the whole Murder thing.
you missed that part
Goku's got way more blood on his hands than Superman, even if you count shitty Man of Steel Superman!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on July 02, 2015, 02:48:42 am
I think they just like bathing in the tears of fan boys because there really is no reason for this to take place again unless they going to let goku win and setup a third fight down the line or some shit

The problem is... they can't. They are pitting a more powerful Goku against a Superman far more powerful than the last one (30 times stronger in therms of physical strength and who has limitless stamina under a yellow sun), and a complete arsehole too.
If they let Goku win, their show "credibility" will be done for, because the numbers will be far more in favour to Super Prick man this time.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 02, 2015, 02:51:49 am
Superman at least gets a chance to shine should he get a story by a good writer.
goku is a soulless sucky dumb character that nevers changes or develops besides gaining new transformations (which are bound to end at some point).
edit: @Bea i think they're gonna do it to troll dbz fans again.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on July 02, 2015, 02:52:55 am
does anyone actually sit through the 10 minutes of the wacky voice guy explaining bullshit because i cant skip it fast enough
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on July 02, 2015, 02:54:11 am
does anyone actually sit through the 10 minutes of the wacky voice guy explaining bullshit because i cant skip it fast enough

I did... but I have to admit, it was painful and almost made my ears bleed.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on July 02, 2015, 02:58:31 am
lmao I sit through them sometimes but that was hilarious
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 02, 2015, 03:15:39 am
does anyone actually sit through the 10 minutes of the wacky voice guy explaining bullshit because i cant skip it fast enough

I skipped all of them except the Superman/Goku one because I wanted to see the facts or whatever so I can know if they were doing it right.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on July 02, 2015, 04:17:07 am
I guess I'll be the Devil's Advocate and explain why Goku fans was asking for a rematch so hard, but this will be in the state of Spoilers for DBZ and up to Battle of The Gods and Xenoverse considering they aren't doing Ressurection of F apparently...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

This doesn't mean I believe Goku can kill all versions of Superman with ease, but I do believe people are so giving Goku too little credit even only him using SSJGod and that if anything Goku now has the biggest chance of killing Superman than he ever did before.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2015, 04:21:00 am
The details are the best part, though...

Meh to the last one.  I still say the Force works on a different plane than magic or telekinesis, Doom shouldn't have had defenses for being choked.  And armor that deflects lightsabers likely is tough enough to stand lava, never mind he's already gone through the issue of enjoying a nice lava bath once before, I doubt it was something they'd forget to include.  Oh well.

Godku goes by god ki now.  As I understand, those with it simply are not hurt by lesser sources.  Superman's feats can go on forever, but he can't hurt the guy now, so....yeah.  Then again, I haven't seen Frieza's new movie yet, they seem to have him hold even ground.  Somehow.  I'm trying not to spoil it myself.

I'm still annoyed at the previous Superman/Goku fight.  Among other things, SSJ4's 10x Kamehameha has a secondary internal massive explosion that they didn't use.  I wanted that to beat Supes. >:(

If they let Goku win, their show "credibility" will be done for, because the numbers will be far more in favour to Super Prick man this time.
I'm...not sure that's been too high an issue, given how often that's said each episode.  I still hear how Garra should have had no issue with Toph whatsoever every now and then.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Luis Alejandro on July 02, 2015, 04:25:25 am
they should do dr doom vs superman instead so that doom could win again ayeeeee
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on July 02, 2015, 04:26:19 am
I'm...not sure that's been too high an issue, given how often that's said each episode.  I still hear how Garra should have had no issue with Toph whatsoever every now and then.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Just putting this in spoilers because...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Deadface on July 02, 2015, 04:39:34 am
Buu vs. Kirby
why are people still mad about chewing gum losing to a sentient black hole
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2015, 04:42:00 am
Because it's a universe destroying bubble gum who makes black holes into child's play.  And their basis on Kirby's strength is like putting Bugs Bunny to Superman.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Basically, I seem to wonder a lot why they never go for the simplest, fastest kill.  Yet would likely get annoyed when their fights are too short. :P
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on July 02, 2015, 04:48:15 am
Damn Doom owned Vader. That was hella tight.

Also, does anyone know who made those sweet Darth Vader sprites? I got a serious ArcSys vibe from them.

Also, again with Goku v. Superman??
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2015, 05:07:29 am
It's Dan Hollandsworth's Vader.  It's rather incomplete, but done well enough for this episode it seems.

You know, with a new DBZ series not yet out, and the latest movie only just out recently, it seems kinda odd to have Goku in anything until further information comes out.  I thought that was a big deal for them on why they wouldn't touch Naruto or One Piece until they were done with what they were doing currently.

Spoiler: Besides, I got a better idea (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 02, 2015, 05:11:13 am
I know they have Unicron vs. Galactus planned... I want that instead of the so-called 'Rematch of the Century'. Everyone knows that the sequel can never top the original.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on July 02, 2015, 05:23:13 am
Meh to the last one.  I still say the Force works on a different plane than magic or telekinesis, Doom shouldn't have had defenses for being choked. 
Even if it worked on Doom, it wouldn't prevent Doom from firing off an energy bolt or spell or the like.

And armor that deflects lightsabers likely is tough enough to stand lava
Well, glancing blows, it's not like the armor is totally immune to lightsabers. Likewise, I don't think the armor would survive immersion in lava either, unless he managed to get out of it really quickly!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2015, 05:27:51 am
You're right.  It just...bugs me.  They're underestimating the power of the Dark Side of the Force.  You don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side of the Force! >:(

And I'm just venting on the lava, even if the suit did last long enough to dive in and out, the helmet's eyes would likely go beforehand and he'd be seeing bright lights burning into his skull.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lunchbillion on July 02, 2015, 07:09:17 am
Not even a fair fight... Marvel characters are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 06, 2015, 11:26:40 pm
Here's a new One Minute Melee if anyone's interested:

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on July 06, 2015, 11:51:37 pm
Just watched this one a while ago. Knew it's going to be a follow-up to one of their earlier One Minute Melees, but it's pretty nice. Kind of funny that they used Ansatsuken's sprite for Oni.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on July 08, 2015, 10:55:23 pm
does anyone actually sit through the 10 minutes of the wacky voice guy explaining bullshit because i cant skip it fast enough

I always go to minute 11:00 of the video circa, I can't stand that voice.
Title: Not really, last login was 2 months ago
Post by: walt on July 09, 2015, 12:13:33 am
You guys are hurting @Boomstick's feelings :P
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 09, 2015, 12:38:14 am
it's mostly the other guy who does the explaining, boomstick (is that an innuendo?) just barges in to tell shitty awkward jokes in the middle of it.
also, if you're gonna watch webshows then get used to seeing people missing with their voice, because after it worked for plinkett, everyone started doing it.
it's stupid yes, and it's not what made plinkett funny, but you're not exactly paying to watch it, are you?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lunchbillion on July 09, 2015, 12:52:48 am
If you're reading this, I love you Boomstick!!!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 09, 2015, 01:14:17 am
I'm just going to go ahead and presume the end to One Minute Melee is going to be Shin Akuma utterly destroying the entire cast of Bleach just because.  And I support this idea.

And I dunno, I like Boomstick's snark and oversimplifying data to miss the point most of the time.  Best part of Ragna and Sol was Boomstick's rant.


Also this teaser was put up.

Curious if Xenoverse's little side story will be taken into account.  And beyond that, if the bonus GT chapters are as well.  Mixing post-BoG and GT like that will have some....odd conflicting info.  Though I'd take it they'd just keep the usual Super Saiyan multipliers stacked on top of God form's boost.

I know Xenoverse sure likes to tease SSJ4 trumps SSJG.  And they rather downplayed it in the previous match.  Maybe we'll get that 10x Kamehameha internal explosion ending after all.
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Post by: Lunchbillion on July 09, 2015, 04:02:20 am
Is there any real way to figure out just how strong SSJG Goku is? We have no idea what the multiplier is for these transformations
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Post by: Laharl on July 09, 2015, 04:53:06 am
Boomstick's Diarhea foot joke was pretty amazing.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 09, 2015, 08:58:36 am
Is there any real way to figure out just how strong SSJG Goku is? We have no idea what the multiplier is for these transformations

We don't really need the powerlevels because DBZ as a whole is pretty damn simplistic in terms of how the characters stack up compared to their betters.

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Basically I would say it like this:
SSJ3 Goku could have destroyed a planet by POWERING UP not because it's something stupid or anything but because Akira Toriyama is the type of guy whose simple and to the point. He works on pure ABC logic and there's nothing really there that shows he hyperbole alot of his words.
Basically SSJGod Goku should be near or at Galaxy Buster AND should be a true threat to Superman simply on the virtue of "God Ki"(which has been stated to be beyond normal Ki and can easily be akin to magic).

In the end, I have no doubt Superman can still beat Goku, but my only hope is that they don't fucking lie like last time(They undersold Goku so hard)
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 09, 2015, 09:21:05 am
The rematch reminded me recently of this (http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman) rebuttal to the original which I think still stands well.

Until the new series I'd figured BoG was just going to plain wipe out GT of existence, but now with the new series reworking GT plot points and the support Xenoverse's gotten, I'm now left to presume the two new god forms and any that follow will just stand as to making SSJ4 in GT that much more powerful.

While I haven't touched New 52 after its dismal reception, I can't then really say what drastic changes Superman's gone through, besides ironically picking up a move that everyone can replicate in DBZ, but I suspect if their new stats on Goku are anything like that debunk then I'm going to go with Goku being a safe bet to win.  Besides, you know, bothering to make this whole rematch in the first place and have Supes win again.  That's boring.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 09, 2015, 11:22:34 am
The rematch reminded me recently of this (http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman) rebuttal to the original which I think still stands well.

Until the new series I'd figured BoG was just going to plain wipe out GT of existence, but now with the new series reworking GT plot points and the support Xenoverse's gotten, I'm now left to presume the two new god forms and any that follow will just stand as to making SSJ4 in GT that much more powerful.

While I haven't touched New 52 after its dismal reception, I can't then really say what drastic changes Superman's gone through, besides ironically picking up a move that everyone can replicate in DBZ, but I suspect if their new stats on Goku are anything like that debunk then I'm going to go with Goku being a safe bet to win.  Besides, you know, bothering to make this whole rematch in the first place and have Supes win again.  That's boring.

I'll probably watch Super to see if that is truly is the case of the reworking of GT's plot points but Xenoverse made GT into an Alternate Universe so yeah in a way, SSJ4(or atleast something that could become like it) isn't out of the realm of possibility. But again, I'm hearing alot of random things about New 52 Superman being even more powerful or he's actually far weaker or Solar Flare is a gamebreaking move or whatever...
And since I can never find or get my hands on the latest comics to judge for myself, I have no idea how much stronger or weaker New 52 Superman really is.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 02:50:59 am

Here's the stream for when the fight shows up.
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Post by: Kirishima on July 19, 2015, 03:02:55 am
Time when it starts?  Like an hour from now or so?
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 03:10:53 am
Now, it seems.

Of course, now would be the time both the stream on my PC and Xbox die.
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Post by: Lunchbillion on July 19, 2015, 03:19:13 am
It'll be on soon after this Q&A, it seems.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 03:21:58 am
That balloon Goku looks like he's wearing a bunch of bananas on his head and is effectively distracting.
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Post by: Kirishima on July 19, 2015, 03:32:13 am
Surprised there hasn't been any Mugen-related questions, sprite wise at best.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 03:36:35 am
The thing's playing bits and pieces at 2-4 seconds long, reloading then skipping around for me, so I'm barely getting any of this. :(

Well now it loads right, but they're going on about dubbing changes.

Huh, they're standing by their previous match's outcome.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on July 19, 2015, 03:49:50 am
ROFL LOL

Please stop now.

PLEASE.

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Post by: Kirishima on July 19, 2015, 03:51:24 am
Actually, this is very satisfying than last time.

Skit in between was kinda humorous, heh.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 03:52:25 am
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Post by: Zemilia on July 19, 2015, 03:54:50 am
I like the fact that it had a more satisfying ending than "let's blow up the earth".

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Edit: Erase that from your minds! Typo on my part.
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Post by: Kirishima on July 19, 2015, 03:57:19 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 03:59:57 am
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Post by: Bea on July 19, 2015, 04:00:54 am
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Goku vs Captain Marvel would be countless times more exciting than this.
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Post by: Lunchbillion on July 19, 2015, 04:25:51 am
Did they outright state it was New52 Superman? Or did they just use the character design?
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 04:27:42 am
Dunno about this one but I'm pretty sure they did in the first, specifically because Golden/Silver Age Superman was too crazy from blowing up solar systems with a sneeze. ... Which is, ironically, what Super Perfect Cell can do (not with a sneeze, but then SSJ3 is four times more powerful than that so who cares). SSJ3 Gotenks can tear a hole between dimensions by shouting really loudly ffs. That's at least black hole-scale stuff here. I don't think anyone ever realizes what fucked up levels of power are really involved in Dragon Ball because they're never seen actually destroying stuff. Just punching each other. At best, people argue whether Broly really did or not wipe out an entire galaxy (be it at once or in a fairly short time frame).
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 04:29:50 am
Actually, I was judging from their use of Superman from multiple time frames and storylines in their fact check at the end to mean it was another composite deal, so I'm not sure that part matters too much in this case.

...Though I suppose that's another issue to take with Screwattack.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 04:30:25 am
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 04:35:36 am
Actually, I was judging from their use of Superman from multiple time frames and storylines in their fact check at the end to mean it was another composite deal, so I'm not sure that part matters too much in this case.

...Though I suppose that's another issue to take with Screwattack.

Except that IS a problem with judging characters correctly. No one counts Composites or Non-canon feats simply because they aren't what the character can truly do(This is one of the major reasons everyone hated Kirby vs. Majin Buu(Kirby got powerups and everything from multiple media and OVAs, including the very feat they love lauding Kirby can do as well as other blatant misinformation.) and gets annoying in other fights(Toph vs. Gaara in which Toph has her young version look yet has feats from her old granny self and Link vs. Cloud where Link is counted as every single version of Link in all his games).

It makes it utterly impossible for it to be a true fight between a character at their maximum potential when they can pull random things from other media that isn't even remotely possible for the character in canon or never proven they can do.
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 04:42:55 am
pull random things from other media that isn't even remotely possible for the character in canon or never proven they can do.
Which is the whole problem with Superman. People keep talking about limitless potential compared to Goku having limits he needs to break, but the fact of the matter is that we've never seen any limit to Superman's powers because he's never been involved in stuff on that scale. The only thing you should be able to say is, given what we have seen he should or not be able to do this or that. Reasonable extrapolation *based on* what has been seen is the very best you can do.
And then I think the Dragon Ball cast has long passed any human concept of limits in term of destructive power anyway. They could blow up planets in the freaking Saiyan Saga. Fuck that, Muten Roshi destroyed the goddamn Moon with a Kamehameha in the Dragon Ball Saga. I think Superman is way behind in raw numbers.

... Blowing up the Earth and blowing past the speed of light is so "chapter 5 out of 783" level of power.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 04:52:24 am
I meant that more in response to Byakko that they used New 52 Supes' design, one would presume they were using, well, New 52.  Which would appear to not be the case, so it doesn't matter what New 52 can do.  Which I agree with you, is wrong.

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Oh well.  Maybe after the next one, they'll have more interesting combatants.

Spoiler: Personally? (click to see content)
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 04:55:09 am
one would presume they were using, well, New 52.  Which would appear to not be the case
Did they say anything specific in this one ? Because I'm pretty sure they were stopping at N52 in the first one, ignoring everything before the last big Crisis thingy. Again, specifically because Golden/Silver Age Superman was too crazy, being able to sneeze away solar systems (that's so crazy guys).
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Post by: lui on July 19, 2015, 04:56:24 am
well he does have his nu52 appearance in the trailer, so.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 05:01:18 am
That.  They didn't say anything limiting them to just it, so one could presume from the trailers alone they were using the newest forms of both combatants, and one would also presume they wouldn't be mixing and matching Superman again because that was half the issue the first time.

Plus the beginning of this one they talked about the new forms specifically.
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Post by: lui on July 19, 2015, 05:15:22 am
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 05:16:18 am
Oh wow, I tried checking out some comments to see how they went about it, and
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Post by: lui on July 19, 2015, 05:19:51 am
thats fans for you, they never can admit that there are scenario's in which both parties can lose and just bash the other party, its stupid really.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 05:22:26 am
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Post by: lui on July 19, 2015, 05:25:44 am
i meant for goku.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 05:34:03 am
pull random things from other media that isn't even remotely possible for the character in canon or never proven they can do.
Which is the whole problem with Superman. People keep talking about limitless potential compared to Goku having limits he needs to break, but the fact of the matter is that we've never seen any limit to Superman's powers because he's never been involved in stuff on that scale. The only thing you should be able to say is, given what we have seen he should or not be able to do this or that. Reasonable extrapolation *based on* what has been seen is the very best you can do.
And then I think the Dragon Ball cast has long passed any human concept of limits in term of destructive power anyway. They could blow up planets in the freaking Saiyan Saga. Fuck that, Muten Roshi destroyed the goddamn Moon with a Kamehameha in the Dragon Ball Saga. I think Superman is way behind in raw numbers.

... Blowing up the Earth and blowing past the speed of light is so "chapter 5 out of 783" level of power.

Basically. Superman is basically a massive anomaly only because people at this point have given him the Wolverine effect(basically making the character FAR more powerful because they are fans/believe he's more powerful than they believe because nostalgia blindness). And the fact that DB continuously believe that Superman is a man with no limits just makes it borderline insulting when this:

(http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/255/supermanterriblereactio.jpg)

Is one of the most popular pictures to SHOW Superman has limits, that he is NOT God.

I meant that more in response to Byakko that they used New 52 Supes' design, one would presume they were using, well, New 52.  Which would appear to not be the case, so it doesn't matter what New 52 can do.  Which I agree with you, is wrong.

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Oh well.  Maybe after the next one, they'll have more interesting combatants.

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You wanna know the absolute worst part:

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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 05:43:58 am
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But man, that last spoiler just makes me sad now.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 05:54:05 am
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But man, that last spoiler just makes me sad now.

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Post by: Zer0Mojo on July 19, 2015, 05:59:09 am
I don't let this bother me to be honest.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 06:07:41 am
I don't let this bother me to be honest.
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Same for me:

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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 06:18:34 am
At this point, it's more interesting to discuss possible matches personally.

Spoiler: And waste time making these posters (click to see content)
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Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on July 19, 2015, 06:23:27 am
Urgh and this is why I only have such debates about who would win agaisnt who with Nasuverse characters. This battle was even more biaised than the previous one.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 06:26:05 am
At this point, it's more interesting to discuss possible matches personally.

Spoiler: And waste time making these posters (click to see content)

Pretty much.

Urgh and this is why I only have such debates about who would win agaisnt who with Nasuverse characters. This battle was even more biaised than the previous one.

And definitely pretty much.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 06:36:37 am
Now I'm trying to find what series they've yet to cover but should, and I can't quite figure the right rival for Jean-Luc Picard and the Enterprise.  I'd be somewhat curious to see their take on Star Trek, given the many scientific reviews the series as a whole has garnered over the years.  And there's enough Star Wars as is.

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Post by: Seadragon77 on July 19, 2015, 04:22:52 pm
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Now that Knuckles is announced... it has me thinking. We had Mario vs. Sonic, and then Luigi vs. Tails... why not Knuckles vs. Wario. Strength vs. strength.
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 04:31:59 pm
Oh look, another "limitless" argument.
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Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 19, 2015, 04:41:11 pm
At least the fight looked kinda cool I guess.
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Post by: MAO11 on July 19, 2015, 05:35:58 pm
well that was a good deathbattle. superman is overpowered and boring and that super flare thing is not needed and unpractical to use if he can fucking one shot a planet with his fist why use an attack that would leave you vulnerable after? he's physical strength alone can end the galaxy it could've been acceptable if he ain't ridiculously powerful already.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 05:46:53 pm
But planet-busting punches aren't anything new to DBZ?  Pretty sure Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku were throwing those like it was going out of style.

I still side with the debunk.  Superman's a battery, and not always at full charge.  He doesn't do all these feats on the turn of a dime.
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 05:57:12 pm
But planet-busting punches aren't anything new to DBZ?  Pretty sure Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku were throwing those like it was going out of style.
Yes, and Freeza survived the explosion of a planet at point blank after being cut in half and having parts of his body vaporized. And still, SSJ Trunks cut him to pieces and fully vaporized him after Freeza was rebuilt and reinforced. And then the Androids blocked and shattered like it was nothing the same sword that cut Freeza (who tanked an exploding planet) in pieces. and then.... and after that..... and still later.......
Again, people saying "but Supes can do this and that" don't understand that the scale of power involved in DBZ is way beyond anything conceivable, because all we ever see them do is punch each other rather than actually destroying stuff.
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Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 06:10:43 pm
Can we seriously get JMorphman in here or someone with some experience reading Superman comics that can debunk the dumb "limitless" arguments? Because doesn't him needing to sundip to do some of his biggest feats or him even getting knocked out kinda destroys the whole "limitless" schtick?

But planet-busting punches aren't anything new to DBZ?  Pretty sure Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku were throwing those like it was going out of style.
Yes, and Freeza survived the explosion of a planet at point blank after being cut in half and having parts of his body vaporized. And still, SSJ Trunks cut him to pieces and fully vaporized him after Freeza was rebuilt and reinforced. And then the Androids blocked and shattered like it was nothing the same sword that cut Freeza (who tanked an exploding planet) in pieces. and then.... and after that..... and still later.......
Again, people saying "but Supes can do this and that" don't understand that the scale of power involved in DBZ is way beyond anything conceivable, because all we ever see them do is punch each other rather than actually destroying stuff.

Okay I'll debunk one part:
Trunk's sword... is just a normal sword. The scene with him and King Cold and later with Goku actually proves that K enhancement means FAR more than any weapon(Trunks no sells King Cold trying to slice him and then Goku was able to block his sword with a finger by simply enhancing his Ki to the same durability. Otherwise you are still correct in your theory that Trunks can pretty much slice Frieza WITH HIS OWN HANDS pretty much.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on July 19, 2015, 06:23:51 pm
Can we seriously get JMorphman in here or someone with some experience reading Superman comics that can debunk the dumb "limitless" arguments? Because doesn't him needing to sundip to do some of his biggest feats or him even getting knocked out kinda destroys the whole "limitless" schtick?

Okay I'll Try, as a fan of both DBZ (I've watched and read everything DBZ) and Superman.

Superman DOES have Limitless Potential.

But he'd only get there if he stuck around in the sun for a million years.

Anyway regardless let's go over some of the stuff people have said here:

"Frieza tanked a planet explosion!"

If you call not dying to a planet explosion "Tanking"

Superman (I will only be using post Crisis because that's the best one) Survived a Star Exploding (though it DID knock him out, then again Kid Buu's Ki Blast that blew up the earth (and ONLY THE EARTH) was enough to kill Mystic Gohan, who was Stronger then SUPER BUU)), being Punched through a planet and "15 Supernovas to the face" Though I call BULLSHIT there.

"Something about Goku being Faster then the Speed of Light"

Can I have proof of this? He's faster then your eyes can detect, sure, but we only see at like 150 Fps, so it they were moving any faster then that... it would be easy to miss. not to mention superman can Fly at over 1 MILLION TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Goku, on the other hand, actually takes time to get anywhere.

"Goku (or X person) can blow up the planet with their punches!"

Again, proof of this? I've never ever seen anyone in DBZ blow up planets with their fists. They always use Ki blasts. I'm sure if Superman had Ki Blasts he could blow up planets too (I mean he does it with his fists) but he doesn't have them.

Honestly, I don't really care who wins but seriously guys why are you so damn mad about this, this is Screwattack. The same people that said Super Mario Sunshine had no Gimmicks.

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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 06:28:17 pm
Trunk's sword... is just a normal sword. The scene with him and King Cold and later with Goku actually proves that K enhancement means FAR more than any weapon(Trunks no sells King Cold trying to slice him and then Goku was able to block his sword with a finger by simply enhancing his Ki to the same durability. Otherwise you are still correct in your theory that Trunks can pretty much slice Frieza WITH HIS OWN HANDS pretty much.
Just swords make everything Cooler.

I'm sorry, I'll shut up with the puns now.

The rematch reminded me recently of this (http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman) rebuttal to the original which I think still stands well.
Will this do?

Also

then again Kid Buu's Ki Blast that blew up the earth (and ONLY THE EARTH) was enough to kill Mystic Gohan, who was Stronger then SUPER BUU))
An unconscious Gohan.  They need to have their ki up and running and actually put up a shield for any of this to matter.  Though I believe it might be filler, SSJ Goku getting pelted by Krillin with a rock when he was napping would be a good example.
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 06:29:29 pm
Okay I'll debunk one part:

I agree that the sword itself is a normal sword and that the ki enhancement did the whole job, but the point is that Trunks used that method to slice apart someone who was able to tank through an exploding planet while being already severely diminished (yes, tank, he boasted it wouldn't do a thing to him and then his mecha form seemed to have damage received mostly from the last Kamehameha than the exploding planet). And he used the same method on #18, and the sword shattered on her arm. You're right that the sword itself is irrelevant, I'm just talking about what he could do and what the androids could do. I just took a shortcut.
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then again Kid Buu's Ki Blast that blew up the earth (and ONLY THE EARTH) was enough to kill Mystic Gohan, who was Stronger then SUPER BUU))
A knocked out Gohan. The guys in DBZ have a pretty normal body, like Xhom said, the important thing is that they enhance their defense with their ki, and that ki is enough to destroy a planet or tank planet-shattering punches. Just not while they're knocked out.
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Again, proof of this? I never ever seen anyone in DBZ blow up planets with their fist.
Coincidentally, Dragon Ball Super chapter 2 just a few days ago had SSJ3 Goku blow through King Kai's planet with a punch. King Kai's planet which has a gravity ten times that of Earth while being the size of a building. Which is not that far from a black hole (which would be, for the mass -and gravity- of Earth, the size of a marble). And Bills could block those punches with ease and knock out Goku with a snap, and then Goku in SSJ God form reached about 70% of Bills' power in the movie. Speaking of the movie, the same SSJ3 Goku punch in that version shaved off a part of King Kai's very same planet. What's that about planet busting punches ?
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Post by: Bea on July 19, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
I have been reading Superman for around 30 years. He has limitless potential as -Whiplash- said, and without sun diping he vaporized a planet with his heat vision, lifted almost 6 sextillion tons, survived a supernova in the face, was sandwiched between two planets, held a black hole in his hand among worse. He can tank a whole lot of stuff, and is incredibly broken and op.

But he gets knocked around a fair bit because in the DC Universe, non sun dipped Superman is mid tier. There are some really scary stuff out there.
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Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 06:37:05 pm
And SSJ3 Gotenks rips a hole between dimensions by shouting really loudly (something Super Buu barely could do himself when he was really mad), a feat that we barely think a black hole could do. So ? DBZ really has much more crazy stuff than that.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on July 19, 2015, 06:42:55 pm
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then again Kid Buu's Ki Blast that blew up the earth (and ONLY THE EARTH) was enough to kill Mystic Gohan, who was Stronger then SUPER BUU))
A knocked out Gohan. The guys in DBZ have a pretty normal body, like Xhom said, the important thing is that they enhance their defense with their ki, and that ki is enough to destroy a planet or tank planet-shattering punches. Just not while they're knocked out.

K that makes sense. But Frieza said he "he had no energy" or whatever, so I figure he was in worse off shape then Gohan. But maybe Frieza's anatomy is good enough that he has the durability to survive exploding planets? Regardless, Superman can too, so it's really a non-issue. no one ever said Goku can't HURT Superman.

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Coincidentally, Dragon Ball Super chapter 2 just a few days ago had SSJ3 Goku blow through King Kai's planet with a punch. King Kai's planet which has a gravity ten times that of Earth while being the size of a building. Which is not that far from a black hole (which would be, for the mass -and gravity- of Earth, the size of a marble).

Alright.

And SSJ3 Gotenks rips a hole between dimensions by shouting really loudly (something Super Buu barely could do himself when he was really mad), a feat that we barely think a black hole could do. So ? DBZ really has much more crazy stuff than that.

You Know Superboy-Prime Broke through Reality by PUNCHING it Right?

Admittedly a pre-Crisis Version of Superman but based on his Fight with Superman, Super Girl and Power Girl I guess he`s like 3 times more powerful then Post Crisis superman?

The Problem with this Debate is that Superman's Feats very from Author to Author, (Which is annoying) but more so without Ki enhancements or Blasts, it's hard to Gauge his power accurately to a DBZ Character cause he can't shoot epic planet busting lasers.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on July 19, 2015, 06:44:12 pm
Funny, The Flash does the same by running really fast. And he can send people through other dimensions using the same principle.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 19, 2015, 06:48:25 pm
But Frieza said he "he had no energy" or whatever, so I figure he was in worse off shape then Gohan. But maybe Frieza's anatomy is good enough that he has the durability to survive exploding planets?
Can't Frieza breathe in space anyways.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 19, 2015, 06:50:06 pm
But Frieza said he "he had no energy" or whatever, so I figure he was in worse off shape then Gohan. But maybe Frieza's anatomy is good enough that he has the durability to survive exploding planets?
Can't Frieza breathe in space anyways.

Well yeah but I mean breathing space has nothing to do with living though an explosion, which is the point here.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Byakko on July 19, 2015, 07:19:33 pm
Funny, The Flash does the same by running really fast. And he can send people through other dimensions using the same principle.
Yes, that's the Speed Force. He runs to access it, then he uses it to break time.
But Frieza said he "he had no energy" or whatever, so I figure he was in worse off shape then Gohan.
The little energy he had was enough to survive the explosion, and Gohan probably had more energy but the point is that he wasn't conscious to use it and shield his body.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on July 19, 2015, 07:40:08 pm
Yes, that's the Speed Force. He runs to access it, then he uses it to break time.
And warp through dimensions. Flash is almost as broken as Superman.

But Frieza said he "he had no energy" or whatever, so I figure he was in worse off shape then Gohan.
The little energy he had was enough to survive the explosion, and Gohan probably had more energy but the point is that he wasn't conscious to use it and shield his body.

Also Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta died when Freeza blew up Earth on that last OAV, while Freeza survived, from what I recall.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 08:04:11 pm
So much for spoilers.

Yeah, that last bit I can't quite understand, but I've seen it without subtitles so I only got what's shown.  For all sakes and purposes, Vegeta should have lived through any planetary explosion, but the lack of oxygen afterwords is another deal.  Though then we go back to BoG where look at that, god form no longer needs oxygen.  But then, Goku went to the moon anyways as a kid.  Someone slipped up in fact checking somewhere on Saiyans in space, and its been confusingly contradictory ever since.

Re-reading through that debunk leaves me wondering if they viewed any of the counter-arguements when doing the rematch now. :-\
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 08:53:27 pm

K that makes sense. But Frieza said he "he had no energy" or whatever, so I figure he was in worse off shape then Gohan. But maybe Frieza's anatomy is good enough that he has the durability to survive exploding planets? Regardless, Superman can too, so it's really a non-issue. no one ever said Goku can't HURT Superman.

Yes, Frieza's race is pretty damn durable and pretty damn powerful(his race can survive the vacuum of space since birth, it's not a Frieza thing). You also have to remember that Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga had enough power to destroy the planet and he was like 18K? Frieza in his weakest form is still beyond Vegeta in that scale and it's unknown if he was knocked unconscious compared to Gohan to still live after the planet exploded(Goku's Kamehameha still did damage to Frieza's face).

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You Know Superboy-Prime Broke through Reality by PUNCHING it Right?

Why are we using what's basically supposed to be Pre-Crisis Superman(As Superboy Prime is supposed to be that)?

Also Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta died when Freeza blew up Earth on that last OAV, while Freeza survived, from what I recall.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 08:58:42 pm
I thought Frieza's golden form ran out by then.  Granted his previous "final form" would be redonkulously strong, if his new first form one-shots Gohan, but not to blue haired Vegeta levels.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on July 19, 2015, 09:10:36 pm
I thought Frieza's golden form ran out by then.  Granted his previous "final form" would be redonkulously strong, if his new first form one-shots Gohan, but not to blue haired Vegeta levels.

It did honestly. That's why I said if he had probably had to pack in way more power than he had(Since his main issue again with his Golden form is that he didn't train his body to handle the extreme output).

That's why I also stated that they most likely didn't put in Vegeta suffocating and instead having him get blown up too for dramatic effect(Since I believe Whis was more trying to get to get to Goku about his hubris)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2015, 09:29:37 pm
Then I misread that, thought you meant that final form Frieza had a bigger attack that Golden Frieza did.


By the way, the video's up separate from the stream now, for those catching in late.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sima Shi on July 20, 2015, 04:55:08 am
meh after seeing le vid still a fucking bias... or one sided fight...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Laharl on July 20, 2015, 07:31:50 am
I would like a toph vs gaara rematch cause that fight was really dumb. that was Kazekage gaara they downplayed his real ability and made up dumb facts about his sand. Toph would not of stood a damn chance. They failed to mention Gaara stood up to Madara for a good while who was dropping fucking METEORS on him.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 20, 2015, 07:40:01 am
Yeah, that one I'm also curious on, but for the opposite side.  Where did they get the idea that Toph was required to touch Garra to kill him?  He wears earth around him, she can kill him with but a thought.  But more detail on Garra would be good to know as well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Laharl on July 20, 2015, 08:12:21 am
actually nobody can control his sand but him as its actually his mothers soul. Its a long story to explain lol. basically his mom is always protecting him with that sand, he can move it but it moves on its own as well she couldn't be manipulated by toph period. Everytime it shields him its not gaara controlling it its his mom protecting him all by herself.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 20, 2015, 08:21:30 am
Why does it being his mother's soul prevent Toph from using it?  Different techniques in control, one being telepathic the other spiritual.  Perhaps some resistant force, but nothing someone that can move cities can't overcome.

The fact that Garra can move it actually seems to help prove that Toph could as well, it's not completely uncontrollable.  It's just dirt with a the equivalent of a protective spell over it.  Or maybe that's exactly what it is, I dunno, Naruto confuses me.

Oh, and wait, the sand armor he wears is separate from the whole "mother sand" thing, so it's a moot point anyways.  She can use that.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on July 20, 2015, 09:31:30 am
Why does it being his mother's soul prevent Toph from using it?  Different techniques in control, one being telepathic the other spiritual.  Perhaps some resistant force, but nothing someone that can move cities can't overcome.

It's the exact reason why Water Benders need so much just to Blood Bend: They cannot control something that has life or chi or whatever flowing through it that can fight back so to speak.

Gaara's mother's soul is the perfect thing that stops Toph from pulling anything off of that sort at all, even if she could somehow turn his sand against him even if he's controlling it. And besides, he DOES NOT have his Sand Armor up all the time, it's literally for emergencies and Toph would never get him to that state, let alone be able to easily one shot him as they say she can...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Laharl on July 20, 2015, 09:11:16 pm
I love you for explaining that better than I ever could. That pretty much sums up what I meant.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on July 21, 2015, 05:30:16 am
Spoiler: Also surprised this isn't highly considered (click to see content)
I have only a limited amount of knowledge of non-Beast Wars Transformers stuff but it seems like most of them would be more maneuverable than a great number of mobile suits; even if their weaponry couldn't get through luna titanium at first, they'd eventually be able to wear it down (just like even a Zaku machine gun would eventually be able to wear it down, theoretically). And I'm also assuming Newtype precognition and what not wouldn't work when facing off against an alien life form, especially since they're fully mechanical!

I think you'd have to go up to the big guns to start getting an even match up (so, no RX-78-2, but maybe the V2, God, the crazier Wing and SEED suits, and so on). I can't imagine there'd be a lot of Transformers that could stand up to the Turn A, though!

Can we seriously get JMorphman in here or someone with some experience reading Superman comics that can debunk the dumb "limitless" arguments? Because doesn't him needing to sundip to do some of his biggest feats or him even getting knocked out kinda destroys the whole "limitless" schtick?
I mean... I dunno, I'm not sure I would describe Superman as being totally limitless, always, but it also kind of feels like it's part of his entire concept? But simultaneously, he's clearly not omnipotent, he can't solve every single problem with his powers? I'm not really sure how to phrase this, and it's made especially difficult because there's so many different interpretations and visions of Superman, and this whole limitless concept applies differently to each one.

Like, take the Silver Age Superman, we all know how much absolutely fucking insane stuff he could do. I'm borrowing heavily from Glen Weldon's excellent Superman: The Unauthorized Biography (http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Unauthorized-Biography-Glen-Weldon/dp/1118341848) here, but there's almost an undercurrent, never quite made explicit, that Superman is so absurdly powerful that he's basically solved crime(!?). There's no muggers in Metropolis, petty crime has essentially ended. The only thing threatening the fine citizens of Metropolis are bizarre supervillain plots and the ever present threat of freak meteor showers and the like. So instead, Superman's got a lot of free time, and he spends a huge amount of that teaching his friends and loved ones bizarre and incredibly harsh "lessons" (and thus, the fabled, not really accurate label of Superdickery).

More recently, there have been a number of takes on the character that highlight those limits, some Superman is put in situations where he can't save everyone: some good (the Eisner winning Hitman #34), some bad (Man of Steel). But that's not exactly new, either, even Silver Age Superman couldn't save his adopted parents, the Kents (although that was because they were infected by an ancient and deadly virus from a pirate treasure chest). So there's definitely always been an aspect of Superman that he's not omnipotent, he can't solve every problem, but at the same time, there's an equally important (if not moreso) aspect of Superman that he will always, always try his hardest to push past any limitation, always striving, and 99% of the time succeeding in saving everyone.

so uh yeah I guess I kinda feel like both "Superman will overcome any limitation" and "even Superman has limitations" are both equally valid aspects of the character, somehow? I'm not really sure how that would apply to this Death Battle, though!

well that was a good deathbattle. superman is overpowered and boring
I thought you were talking about Superman, not Goku :)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on July 21, 2015, 05:43:34 am
there are few things sweeter than the tears of a fanboy  :twisted:
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 21, 2015, 06:06:10 am
The point was to be the faces of Transformers and Gundam.  RX-78-2 is THE Gundam, and who doesn't know Optimus Prime?  Though he's kinda Space Robot Jesus, I didn't expect it to be an entirely fair fight (I mean, I think you can ground him if sticking to G1 alone, ignoring comics, High Moon or Devestation.  I don't think he had the ability to fly there).

I'm not sure I would describe Superman as being totally limitless, always
Therein lies the problem with Death Battle's view on it.  They want them both at the max they could be, rather than as they are.  I'm starting to feel a bit like a record, but that debunk from the last match feels like it would be the right way to take Superman as he is normally.

As for Garra and bloodbending, I thought the issue there was that it was organic, it was a physical part of their body.  Ghost sand....isn't?  It's mixing concepts of science and spiritual magic that don't make sense!  It's like, I dunno, arguing who controls Lion-O's Sword of Omens better, him or Magneto.

But the sand armor not being up seems silly, of course he would have it up in a fight.  He's an important political figure, and runs on the motto of a good defense being the best offensive.  Does it actually say in the manga that he chooses to not use it in fights that could cost him his life?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on July 21, 2015, 06:44:48 am
Why does it being his mother's soul prevent Toph from using it?  Different techniques in control, one being telepathic the other spiritual.  Perhaps some resistant force, but nothing someone that can move cities can't overcome.

It's the exact reason why Water Benders need so much just to Blood Bend: They cannot control something that has life or chi or whatever flowing through it that can fight back so to speak.

Gaara's mother's soul is the perfect thing that stops Toph from pulling anything off of that sort at all, even if she could somehow turn his sand against him even if he's controlling it. And besides, he DOES NOT have his Sand Armor up all the time, it's literally for emergencies and Toph would never get him to that state, let alone be able to easily one shot him as they say she can...

amon can water bend anyone without even doing any stance or a full moon.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on July 21, 2015, 06:50:24 am

Well atleast you explained it better than them, still find it hilarious that basically Superman is more like Goku than I thought lol.

Why does it being his mother's soul prevent Toph from using it?  Different techniques in control, one being telepathic the other spiritual.  Perhaps some resistant force, but nothing someone that can move cities can't overcome.

It's the exact reason why Water Benders need so much just to Blood Bend: They cannot control something that has life or chi or whatever flowing through it that can fight back so to speak.

Gaara's mother's soul is the perfect thing that stops Toph from pulling anything off of that sort at all, even if she could somehow turn his sand against him even if he's controlling it. And besides, he DOES NOT have his Sand Armor up all the time, it's literally for emergencies and Toph would never get him to that state, let alone be able to easily one shot him as they say she can...

amon can water bend anyone without even doing any stance or a full moon.

Well he's an anomaly(never watched Korra but I do know he's a Blood Bender) but in the original series, the practitioner needed a certain stance and a full moon to do Blood Bending and tried teaching Katara it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on July 21, 2015, 07:10:19 am
well you're probably right his father and brother could blood bend too even without the full moon but they still do stances and amon has a precise control over his power he can even counter other blood benders with him bending his own body.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 28, 2015, 03:45:38 am

Moving on from Goku V Superman: Lies & Slander, there's a new One Minute Melee.  Rather odd choice, too.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on July 29, 2015, 07:20:01 am
They said superman is weak to someone with "magic" weird huh.......

also they should make this a real death battle.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattle/images/d/d8/Sonic_VS_Lilac.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/650?cb=20141220145231)

I don't care who wins, because it would probably be interesting to watch, even though without a doubt sonic might just pull out the chaos emeralds and go super lol
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on July 29, 2015, 11:40:17 am
who's the other one.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 29, 2015, 11:53:56 pm

Well, now we know who's going against Knuckles.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on July 30, 2015, 12:41:22 am
who's the other one.

The main character of a game that did what the newest sonic games couldn't do, "be great"
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sean Altly on July 30, 2015, 03:28:43 pm
who's the other one.

Lilac from Freedom Planet, since he didn't actually answer your question
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on August 01, 2015, 08:30:45 am
yeah thanks i saw the trailer it's actually good i might get it sometime if i don't forget the name.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Roasted Pheasant on August 05, 2015, 02:39:22 am
Knuckles may be rougher than the rest of them and tougher than leather, but I don't think he stands a chance.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on August 08, 2015, 11:36:55 pm
Knuckles may be rougher than the rest of them and tougher than leather, but I don't think he stands a chance.

But unlike sonic he doesn't chuckle, he'd rather flex his muscles
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on August 08, 2015, 11:54:17 pm
Knuckles may be rougher than the rest of them and tougher than leather, but I don't think he stands a chance.

But unlike sonic he doesn't chuckle, he'd rather flex his muscles

Oh look he's writing rap rhymes now.

Aside from this, I feel that a One Minute Melee was more fitting than a Death Battle IMO.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lunchbillion on August 09, 2015, 12:02:33 am
Knuckles may be rougher than the rest of them and tougher than leather, but I don't think he stands a chance.

But unlike sonic he doesn't chuckle, he'd rather flex his muscles

Also, he's hard as nails, it ain't hard to tell. DK's coconut gun may fire in spurts, but if he shoots him, it probably isn't even going to hurt.


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 09, 2015, 12:58:00 am

That reminds me, I forgot to post this before.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on August 09, 2015, 10:25:56 pm
Knuckles may be rougher than the rest of them and tougher than leather, but I don't think he stands a chance.

But unlike sonic he doesn't chuckle, he'd rather flex his muscles

Oh look he's writing rap rhymes now.

hahhahahahahahahaehaeaeeaaaaah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8h2Xyis9M

no. plz go home.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on August 09, 2015, 10:40:50 pm
hahhahahahahahahaehaeaeeaaaaah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8h2Xyis9M

no. plz go home.

Or better yet, put a sock in it. ^_^

On the other hand, I like the Knux DB segment.


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 10, 2015, 04:08:12 pm
New One Minute Melee


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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on August 10, 2015, 09:33:01 pm
Saw that one, totally epic.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 11, 2015, 04:22:18 am
Hm, being in One Minute Melee seems to have a tendancy to make them avoid the characters in future Death Battles.  And I was legitimately getting curious how Sesshomaru would fair with all his wards against Ghost Rider, too.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 12, 2015, 05:34:34 pm

So the battle came out and are those fucking AxKeeper's sprites for Donkey Kong.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on August 12, 2015, 05:50:48 pm
i'm surprised they managed to make something pretty decent from those sprites
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on August 12, 2015, 06:07:47 pm
This one was a bore looking forward to wolverine though
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 12, 2015, 06:13:51 pm
I loved the humor in this Death Battle.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: walt on August 12, 2015, 06:17:39 pm
So the battle came out and are those fucking AxKeeper's sprites for Donkey Kong.
(http://i.imgur.com/EWnOAQQ.png)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 12, 2015, 06:18:41 pm
Chill it was a rhetorical question. :U
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on August 12, 2015, 06:21:50 pm
yeah there was alot of moving around and not so much fighting and knuckles' "oh no" was so annoying lol.
anyways, i think wolverine is gonna fight Claw Vega. because claws, and they showed a SFII cabinet at the end.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on August 12, 2015, 07:06:17 pm
As much as I hated those Axkeeper sprites for DK, I loved the outcome. That and DK won, so eat that those who thought Knux would win (does the Ted Bear ass wiggle jutsu (https://youtu.be/k0WbP2uLJPo?t=1m47s) :P)

The "Oh no" loop was annoying, couldn't they have used betters sounds for Knuckles though.

Also, definitely Wolverine vs. Vega, and we don't need a Death Battle segment to know the outcome of THAT battle. :smartass2:
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on August 12, 2015, 08:58:22 pm
If they do Wolverine vs Vega, it will be an almost one sided fight as the Wolverine vs Wonder Woman that Super Power Beat Down is filming.
Except Wolvie will destroy Vega, and he should be totally obliterated by Wondy, but he will win there because Super Power Beat Down comes down to a popularity context.
And Bat in the Sun is claiming that they only pair fighters of similar power in their shorts. Yeah, like Vader and Batman and Wondy and Wolverine...

I do hope Death Battle comes up with a more fitting opponent for Wolvie.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lunchbillion on August 13, 2015, 01:25:07 am
I don't like how they drew information from sources other than the video games and how they equated the game Knuckles with Boom Knuckles etc, but the fight was really fun and well executed so that made up for it. Definitely one of the better sprite-based battles they've done. I dunno if it's a perfect record of who would really win in a fight but definitely entertaining.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 13, 2015, 01:44:12 am
If they do Wolverine vs Vega, it will be an almost one sided fight as the Wolverine vs Wonder Woman that Super Power Beat Down is filming.
Except Wolvie will destroy Vega, and he should be totally obliterated by Wondy, but he will win there because Super Power Beat Down comes down to a popularity context.
And Bat in the Sun is claiming that they only pair fighters of similar power in their shorts. Yeah, like Vader and Batman and Wondy and Wolverine...

I do hope Death Battle comes up with a more fitting opponent for Wolvie.

The only other guy I could think of to face Wolverine off the of my head is Gen-An Shiranui of Samurai Shodown. He's got a claw weapon as well... Who knows.

As for the last battle: I liked it. I liked that they used the cartoons as part of the research (especially Sonic Boom's version of Knuckles.. he's worth the laughs) and the fight was a good one. I just think that the 'Oh No' bit did get a little overdone... but, that's just me.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lunchbillion on August 13, 2015, 01:55:48 am
I thought the "oh no" thing was a pretty clever callback to Sonic Adventure, as he says that every time he takes damage in his boss fight with Sonic. It amused me at least
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on August 13, 2015, 01:57:57 am
I thought the "oh no" thing was a pretty clever callback to Sonic Adventure, as he says that every time he takes damage in his boss fight with Sonic. It amused me at least

It was pretty hilarious at first, but the overuse of that sound made it overkill.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on August 13, 2015, 01:59:08 am
Idk, I got pretty annoyed at the overuse of "Oh no". Should have used other voiceclips rather than "Oh nos" too many times.
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Now for who Wolverine will fight.. I'm going with either Vega (another claw man, even though he has only one where Wolverine has 2), or maybe someone from DC, but idk who's faster and as brutal as Wolverine on the DC side.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I love how they used Ax's sprite for DK, despite how limited it is.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on August 13, 2015, 02:01:54 am
how about Lobo? i know he's a parody of wolvie, but they did Deadpool and he was a parody too.
and he's just as tough as him when to comes to powers and healing too.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on August 13, 2015, 03:27:24 am
From what I heard in the Screwattack forums...

It seems Raiden(MGR fame) will be Wolverine's opponent..and that wouldn't be fair to Raiden...Wolverine won't last 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on August 13, 2015, 05:28:44 am
Even if you give Wolverine some of his more ridiculous healing factor feats (like the time he came back from having literally all the flesh atomized off his bones), there's absolutely no way he'd be able to win. There's literally nothing he can do against Raiden, dude's absurdly fast and crazy strong. Those adamantium claws could cut through Raiden's body and his fancy swords, but the only way that would happen is if Raiden literally did nothing. It just doesn't seem like a fun fight.

how about Lobo? i know he's a parody of wolvie, but they did Deadpool and he was a parody too.
and he's just as tough as him when to comes to powers and healing too.
Lobo is roughly in Superman's weight class. Wolverine doesn't have a prayer.

... that said, they have fought before, in a DC/Marvel crossover series that had their various characters fight each other for a vague and stupid reason. The results were determined through a fan vote, so the most popular character won, and for the Wolverine/Lobo fight, that meant Wolverine (who is a normal human, aside from the enhanced senses, unbreakable metal skeleton and claws, and a healing factor) somehow managed to defeat Lobo (a space alien who not only can stand toe-to-toe with Superman, but has a vastly superior healing factor that can even revive him from a drop of blood!!!). All offscreen. (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/03/26/the-wrong-side-lobo-vs-wolverine/)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on August 13, 2015, 09:16:55 am
Even if you give Wolverine some of his more ridiculous healing factor feats (like the time he came back from having literally all the flesh atomized off his bones), there's absolutely no way he'd be able to win. There's literally nothing he can do against Raiden, dude's absurdly fast and crazy strong. Those adamantium claws could cut through Raiden's body and his fancy swords, but the only way that would happen is if Raiden literally did nothing. It just doesn't seem like a fun fight.

how about Lobo? i know he's a parody of wolvie, but they did Deadpool and he was a parody too.
and he's just as tough as him when to comes to powers and healing too.
Lobo is roughly in Superman's weight class. Wolverine doesn't have a prayer.

... that said, they have fought before, in a DC/Marvel crossover series that had their various characters fight each other for a vague and stupid reason. The results were determined through a fan vote, so the most popular character won, and for the Wolverine/Lobo fight, that meant Wolverine (who is a normal human, aside from the enhanced senses, unbreakable metal skeleton and claws, and a healing factor) somehow managed to defeat Lobo (a space alien who not only can stand toe-to-toe with Superman, but has a vastly superior healing factor that can even revive him from a drop of blood!!!). All offscreen. (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/03/26/the-wrong-side-lobo-vs-wolverine/)

Even the writers knew that Wolverine winning was pure BS, so on top of that, they had Professor X somehow pay Lobo to take a dive as an alibi.
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 14, 2015, 02:44:08 am
The streak of matches I don't agree with continues I guess.  Weird choice in sprites, but as already said they did good with them.

I don't know much on Raiden, besides he has a mechanical body, cuts up watermelon and I thought he was a woman for the longest time.  Won't claim to be a Wolverine buff either, but I if I recall correctly nothing can harm those adamantium bones of his beyond more adamantium, a stronger metal or cosmic powers (Unless you count Magneto bending the rules by pulling it out).  Does Raiden have something tougher than the supposed strongest natural metal in the universe or godly magic abilities I don't know?

Because Metal Gear goes to some strange places, I wouldn't be surprised.  But if not...it's nothing but of matter of time.  Raiden expends energy, Wolverine comes back from anything, kills Raiden when he's worn out.

Also I can't update the first post with the new fight, computer's dead.  Just got the Xbox to browse. :(
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 14, 2015, 02:58:41 am
Raiden's newest robot body is crazy strong and pretty dang fast (and can further increase its speed for a limited amount of time to like, bullet-time levels, by expending large amounts of energy); Wolverine could certainly cut through his armored body and all his weapons, but I can't imagine Wolverine landing even a single hit on him. And while no upper limit was established, we at least know that Raiden's energy reserves can last about 12 hours or so, under constant strain and intense activity.

The only really issue is killing Wolverine, but I think even that Raiden could overcome most interpretations of Wolverine, even the ones with insanely powerful healing factors. Old-school Wolverine should be able to die of blood loss, or choking. Drowning remains a threat to even more modern versions of Wolverine that have more ridiculous healing factors. At the very least, Raiden should be able to restrain Wolverine fairly easily, provided he has some sort of material Wolverine cannot break with his own strength, and is positioned in such a way that he cannot cut through his bonds with his claws.
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Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 14, 2015, 03:00:21 am
In before they fight on the Big Shell just so they can have a drowning scare.
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Post by: Bea on August 14, 2015, 03:11:32 am
Wolverine was disintegrated by an effing sentinel.
Guy has this healing factor thing, but he lost to a stupid robot.

Raiden would tear him apart. Maybe a fight with Space Ghost could be more entertaining, but Space Ghost is like, tots overpowered! *nod nod*
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Post by: Zemilia on August 14, 2015, 03:20:28 am
Would ripping out parts of the adamantium skeleton kill Wolverine or slow him down? If I remember, Magneto killed Wolverine one time by ripping the adamantium skeleton out of him. In Raiden's case, he can rip out a spine out of a cyborg and crush them for energy after slicing his victims to ribbons.
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 14, 2015, 03:26:12 am
Space Ghost needs a fight as much as....well, I was going to say Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, but technecally, their shows DID end.  And Colbert IS Superman, Falcon and the president of Marvel's Earth, never mind owning Cap's shield.  And Stewart was mistaken to be the best Green Lantern I believe.

I dunno, I get the feeling this is going to be another composite deal.  Wolvy chilled out at the bottom of a lake with metal coils driven throughout him in Days of Future Past without drowning.  As long as they take the best of his survivability feats, I can't help but see this being Logan being turned in a pincushion, a "12 Hours Later" sign shows, then he just runs a battery drained Raiden through.

And didn't it take a really angry Hulk to manage to tear Logan's spine?  I have trouble seeing Raiden being Hulk-levels of power.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 14, 2015, 03:35:06 am
Raiden may not have the upper strength potential of Hulk, but Metal Gear Excelsus didn't exactly seem like a lightweight machine.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 14, 2015, 03:45:32 am
The spine ripping was in the Ultimate universe, and probably wouldn't have worked on regular Wolverine (I think the explanation was that Ultimate Wolverine's actual spinal bones were made of metal, but the... uh... tendons? I don't know how spines work, but the stuff linking the bones together? That was still normal, and thus could be broken. I don't think the same is true of regular Wolverine, somehow. Boy this explanation was terrible!)

Would ripping out parts of the adamantium skeleton kill Wolverine or slow him down? If I remember, Magneto killed Wolverine one time by ripping the adamantium skeleton out of him. In Raiden's case, he can rip out a spine out of a cyborg and crush them for energy after slicing his victims to ribbons.
Magneto was only able to do so because he has control over metal on a subatomic level; anything less than that wouldn't be able to affect adamantium.

I dunno, I get the feeling this is going to be another composite deal.  Wolvy chilled out at the bottom of a lake with metal coils driven throughout him in Days of Future Past without drowning.  As long as they take the best of his survivability feats, I can't help but see this being Logan being turned in a pincushion, a "12 Hours Later" sign shows, then he just runs a battery drained Raiden through.
Well, he was technically dead, sorta? He was able to revive himself, but he wasn't visibly conscious, and even if the metal rebar had been removed he would still have been stuck at the bottom of that river. But even if that didn't work, Raiden still has options before he eventually runs out of battery. If he can't kill him with his sword, then he's not gonna just stay there stabbing Wolverine for hours on end. He could tie him up and drop him in a volcano, or into the ocean, or something!
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 14, 2015, 04:04:26 am
I think he meant tearing it out in the same manner Hulk tore the flesh between Logan's spine.  Though I did not know that changed between universes.  But...if even the flesh inside and between his bones is adamantium, how is he flexable at all?  He wouldn't be able to straighten out or lean over at all!

...Is that the real reason he's always pissed off?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on August 14, 2015, 04:06:49 pm
I think he meant tearing it out in the same manner Hulk tore the flesh between Logan's spine.  Though I did not know that changed between universes.  But...if even the flesh inside and between his bones is adamantium, how is he flexable at all?  He wouldn't be able to straighten out or lean over at all!

...Is that the real reason he's always pissed off?

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I think the simple answer would be that he just adjusted to it over time. Remember that the only reason he was able to get the adimantium bonded with his bones was because of his healing factor. Other people they tried it on basically died instantly and we can assume from the weight along with HOLY SHIT MY BONES ARE BEING COVERED IN METAL.

I think some of you guys are underselling Wolverine. Yes, Raiden is stupid OP but that doesn't mean Death Battle wouldn't at least make the fight interesting.
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Post by: Xhominid on August 19, 2015, 06:45:14 am
And Wolverine vs. Raiden is CONFIRMED...

Wolvie is fucked.

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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 19, 2015, 06:58:36 am
I feel as though Wolverine is going to win.

He's pretty much invincible. Don't get me wrong, Raiden's great and I like him better in a sincere way. (unlike wolverine who I mostly like ironically.)

Admittedly, I don't think wolverine can lift a huge Mech like Raiden but still.
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Post by: Gennos on August 19, 2015, 12:24:49 pm
finaly, a 3D fight (assuming there isn't sprites for Raiden somewhere). dis gonna be gud.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on August 19, 2015, 02:19:51 pm
Have you not seen the Deadpool vs Deathstroke, Link vs Cloud, hell even Superman vs Goku
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Post by: Gennos on August 19, 2015, 03:39:44 pm
I'm just excited to see a new 3D fight, that's all.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2015, 03:21:50 am
I think the simple answer would be that he just adjusted to it over time. Remember that the only reason he was able to get the adimantium bonded with his bones was because of his healing factor. Other people they tried it on basically died instantly and we can assume from the weight along with HOLY SHIT MY BONES ARE BEING COVERED IN METAL.
Well, you don't necessarily need a healing factor; Bullseye's spine was reinforced with strips of adamantium, and he's a normal-ass human. But that operation was performed by the guy who invented the adamantium-to-bone bonding process (an incomplete version of which was stolen by the Canadian government, and used on Wolverine). Of course, he wouldn't have survived having the metal completely covering his bones, but it is technically doable!

I feel as though Wolverine is going to win.

He's pretty much invincible. Don't get me wrong, Raiden's great and I like him better in a sincere way. (unlike wolverine who I mostly like ironically.)

Admittedly, I don't think wolverine can lift a huge Mech like Raiden but still.
I think what this is ultimately gonna come down to is whether Raiden can find a way to kill Wolverine, because I just can't imagine Wolverine ever, ever managing to get a single hit on the ridiculously fast, ludicrously strong Raiden.
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Post by: lui on August 20, 2015, 10:01:51 pm
I'm just excited to see a new 3D fight, that's all.


here here! torian's animation on the most recent videos have for surely stepped up (boba vs samus, iron man vs lex, goku vs superman 2 and snake vs sam fisher are good visual examples) he just needs to work on the enviroments and the blood effects
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Post by: hatter on August 25, 2015, 01:04:56 am


Luffy vs. Naruto One Minute Melee.

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Post by: Long John Killer on August 25, 2015, 03:59:06 am
I don't recall Luffy having a sonic scream, but then I dropped off when he was fighting Arliong.  Whom, like Orichimaru, I'm left to presume was in fact NOT the supreme bad guy they were made out to be.

Unless Orichimaru came back with that ninja zombie magic to prove he was behind everything the whole time, I dunno.
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Post by: Duos.act on August 25, 2015, 04:04:41 am
One MInute Melee takes a lot of liberties, I mean I also don't remember Ragna having Ingrid sunlight powers of teleportation no jiutsu.

Anyway Raiden is going to get bodied but if he doesn't it's probably because Sam's blade can cut through molecules which means he'll be able to slice through Wolverine's skeleton.
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Post by: Gennos on August 25, 2015, 04:16:59 am
i liked how the makers of this video didn't go further with naruto's powers behind his battle with Pain. because he gets seriously broken OP after that, and it's probably why narutards are going crazy with the dislikes on that video.
I don't recall Luffy having a sonic scream.
that's a new power he discovered he had, he learned to control it in the recent time skip.
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Post by: Duos.act on August 25, 2015, 04:24:05 am
People must not realize that OMM is meaningless.  There's no research and it's genuinely just an animated fanfic for no purpose other than to look cool.  Just look at Sonic beating Flash and all the weird out of character moments.  It's part of why I dislike OMM so much compared to Death Battle.  Well, that and the lack of based Wizard and Boomstick.
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Post by: hatter on August 25, 2015, 04:28:05 am
People must not realize that OMM is meaningless.  There's no research and it's genuinely just an animated fanfic for no purpose other than to look cool.  Just look at Sonic beating Flash and all the weird out of character moments.  It's part of why I dislike OMM so much compared to Death Battle.  Well, that and the lack of based Wizard and Boomstick.

I never really liked Death Battle due to Wizard and Boomstick TBH. I know that's how the show goes, but hell I usually skip it all, because I just wanna see the animated fights.

That said, I do agree with you on OMM. Some battles like Dio and Tohou hoe made me rage, and now hearing about that Sonic and Flash battle makes me want to rip my hair out.

Though Luffy did win like I expected him to, so eh.
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Post by: Duos.act on August 25, 2015, 04:31:34 am
Sakuya vs DIO was like one of the rare moments of OMM making sense and turning out exactly like DB would, since that result is exactly what would happen and the fight itself played out exactly like it would have otherwise.  That's part of why it's considered by far to be one of the better OMM episodes.  Sonic vs Flash was dumb because they were both out of character as shit and did pretty much nothing except run fast.  But whatever, it's OMM and those are rarely exciting. 

In case you missed it, Wolverine's preview is going up on Wednesday because Ben got sick and missed most of work last week.  Hope he feels better.
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Post by: D.R.B on August 25, 2015, 04:43:16 am
OMM don't do reserch at all, not even when it comes to character or personality , but really , not even death battle do character in an accurate way, Spider Man doesn't kill , but well, its a death battle , it has to end up with someone bitting the dust .
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Post by: Duos.act on August 25, 2015, 04:54:19 am
It's literally in the rules of DB that all restraints on killing are removed.  Otherwise they wouldn't have Batman on the show at all.
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Post by: Zemilia on August 25, 2015, 05:01:44 am
You guys say Flash vs Sonic is the worst? Idk, Ragna vs Dante is kinda there (cause oh idk, the ending to how that fight turned out).
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Post by: Duos.act on August 25, 2015, 05:03:47 am
Didn't say it was the worst, just that it's an example of no research.  Ragna vs Dante was easily the worst.
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Post by: Zemilia on August 27, 2015, 02:27:08 am
Kind of surprised no one has posted this yet, but:



Wolvie's preview for Death Battle.
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Post by: hatter on September 09, 2015, 12:29:27 am


Knuckles vs. Wario One Minute Melee. Go to 0:52 if you want to skip the announcement at the beginning.

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Post by: Gennos on September 09, 2015, 12:51:30 am
since when did Wario gain smoke screen fart powers? is that canon?
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Post by: Xhominid on September 09, 2015, 03:55:42 am
Wolverine vs. Raiden battle has just finished...

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Post by: Seadragon77 on September 09, 2015, 04:11:19 am
Wolverine vs. Raiden battle has just finished...

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Post by: Prime SC on September 09, 2015, 04:17:57 am
God yes I figured he was going to win using that jack the ripper mode he automatically became one of my favorite game characters after playing mg rising
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Post by: R565 on September 09, 2015, 04:32:47 am
Yeah, Adamantium has met it's match. Now let's see who Satan goes up against.
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Post by: Sinnesloschen on September 09, 2015, 04:40:58 am
That voice acting was so horrible holy shit. Good battle tho.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 09, 2015, 05:16:49 am
I liked the Wolverine voice actor because he sounded like the 90s cartoon (cheesy Clint Eastwood) rather than modern Wolverine (gruff Steve Blum), but Raiden was definitely off.
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Post by: Gennos on September 09, 2015, 05:22:22 am
the voice acting from the game was pretty cringy so i guess they did their best to sound like it?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 09, 2015, 05:32:33 am
Eh, the voice ACTING's fine, unless you've never like Quinton Flynn as Raiden. The voice DIRECTION is the problem, namely that there clearly wasn't enough to tell him when to use Ripper Raiden vs. regular Raiden so he just did whatever.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2015, 05:43:32 am
I'm not sure I really agree with the idea that Raiden's Muramasa blade can cut through adamantium (the way Antarctic vibranium dissolves metals using vibrations seems a bit too different to the way HF blades work, maybe?) but the reasoning is ultimately pretty sound, I think. It was a pretty fair representation of both fighters, I think.

buuuuuut they did use that time Wolverine regenerated from only a skeleton as one of his feats, and that time was very specifically only possible because Wolverine had been amped up massively on mutant growth hormone, that's not something he can do normally!!!
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Post by: Xhominid on September 09, 2015, 05:49:18 am
I'm not sure I really agree with the idea that Raiden's Muramasa blade can cut through adamantium (the way Antarctic vibranium dissolves metals using vibrations seems a bit too different to the way HF blades work, maybe?) but the reasoning is ultimately pretty sound, I think. It was a pretty fair representation of both fighters, I think.

buuuuuut they did use that time Wolverine regenerated from only a skeleton as one of his feats, and that time was very specifically only possible because Wolverine had been amped up massively on mutant growth hormone, that's not something he can do normally!!!

It may not ultimately be the exact same but they work on the same theory and there's nothing else shown that it cannot be cut(Even Armstrong got cut by Sam despite being far less strong than Raiden overall and the HF Muramasa is FAR superior to any typical run of the mill HF Blade on top of that...)
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 09, 2015, 06:51:18 am
Eh.  Another disappointing episode for me.  Bios on them in the beginning felt half-hearted, fight wasn't very interesting and I disagree with the winner.  Though I do look forward to the next due to how they will downplay Hercule.  Because, you know, it's Hercule.  But it's DBZ.  Plus They might use Z2 's Hercule, which should be fun.

Rather weird they showed all of Wolverine's wounds, but Raiden only gets a few scratches and the arm later in the match.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 09, 2015, 07:46:39 am
Still dunno why they made him use Sam's Murasama instead of his own HF blade.
The action was good though. Wouldve liked the fight to be longer.
Im happy with the outcome.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2015, 08:19:39 am
Well, it's not like Raiden would go back to using any other sword after the events of Revengeance, it's his sword now! And besides, Raiden's normal HF blade couldn't even cut through Armstrong's nanomachine armor, there'd be no chance of it cutting through adamantium!

Rather weird they showed all of Wolverine's wounds, but Raiden only gets a few scratches and the arm later in the match.
The character models never really showed any wounds, just blood. It's all an abstraction, I guess, just like how Wolverine's healing factor was represented by the blood magically disappearing from his costume. Raiden certain gets hit a lot, not just slash wounds but he gets impaled quite a few times. If this a was professional, big budget affair, the two of them would be looking quite worse for the wear by the end of the fight (well, mostly Raiden, Wolverine would just have a messed up costume).

It may not ultimately be the exact same but they work on the same theory and there's nothing else shown that it cannot be cut(Even Armstrong got cut by Sam despite being far less strong than Raiden overall and the HF Muramasa is FAR superior to any typical run of the mill HF Blade on top of that...)
I mean, just because there's nothing in Revengeance that can't be cut by the Murasama doesn't mean that the Murasama can therefore cut through anything; to pick another wonder metal from Marvel, it definitely couldn't cut through Captain America's shield, no ifs, ands, or buts about it!

I definitely could see it cutting through adamantium, though, but that feels a bit questionable as well, somehow. Antarctic vibranium uses vibrations to break apart metal just like HF blades do, but the details are different: no physical contact is required with antartic vibranium, it just naturally produces anti-metal vibrations that will affect things in its immediate vicinity. There's a definite similarity there, but I think it's a bit of a tossup, personally.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: R565 on September 09, 2015, 08:55:03 am
In the end, it's all for fun in the fight and that is what really matters right.....RIGHT?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on September 09, 2015, 09:11:11 am
did nobody post the video

11:25 if you want to skip the bullshit. wolverine's voice sucked but raiden's was accurate. all in all it was pretty average even though i liked the result
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Post by: lui on September 09, 2015, 09:42:13 am
fun fact! lex luthor and wolverine were both voiced by smash bros. 4's announcer :D
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 09, 2015, 10:28:12 am
Is it me, or is the fight not really impressive in terms of 3D workings? I mean, it's still a good fight and all (and I loved the result, along with how Raiden's speed is shown), but the presentation feels... average (compared to Torian's previous works like Iron Man vs Lex, Solid Snake vs Sam, Lightning vs Wonder Woman, or hell even the rematch with Goku vs Superman despite some bullshit shown).

Voice acting could use some work. Raiden's alright, but Wolverine just sounds like he's trying too hard to sound like 90s Wolverine.

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Post by: lui on September 09, 2015, 10:29:21 am
yeah i agree, it felt too fast and the pacing was kinda off at the end, maybe they rushed it for the deadline?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on September 09, 2015, 04:14:46 pm
yeah i agree, it felt too fast and the pacing was kinda off at the end, maybe they rushed it for the deadline?

I didn't particularly like how the fight ended but out of all of the death battles up to this point I think their logical reasoning at the end was mostly sound. Because it's usually pretty heavy handed bull.

And like you guys said, I think the pacing felt a little...off. It's no Snake vs Sam, that's for sure but it was pretty fun for what it was.

7/10
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Post by: Xhominid on September 09, 2015, 06:36:18 pm
Well, it's not like Raiden would go back to using any other sword after the events of Revengeance, it's his sword now! And besides, Raiden's normal HF blade couldn't even cut through Armstrong's nanomachine armor, there'd be no chance of it cutting through adamantium!
Pretty much. Raiden's original HF Blade was literally something you can buy from the store and was just a typical copy.
Sam's Muramasa was virtually given to Raiden and is a far stronger HF Blade mainly due to being made from an actual sword.

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I mean, just because there's nothing in Revengeance that can't be cut by the Murasama doesn't mean that the Murasama can therefore cut through anything; to pick another wonder metal from Marvel, it definitely couldn't cut through Captain America's shield, no ifs, ands, or buts about it!

I definitely could see it cutting through adamantium, though, but that feels a bit questionable as well, somehow. Antarctic vibranium uses vibrations to break apart metal just like HF blades do, but the details are different: no physical contact is required with antartic vibranium, it just naturally produces anti-metal vibrations that will affect things in its immediate vicinity. There's a definite similarity there, but I think it's a bit of a tossup, personally.

Of course it wouldn't cut through Captain America's Shield(mainly because of the Proto-Vibranium which completely cease the vibrations from the HF Blade) and I don't think they meant it on that level, it's just the fact that they used basic theory...which is still far better than "Adamantium may be a strong metal, but it's just metal" logic they used for Toph vs. Gaara and Goku vs. Superman 2...
And from what I heard in the post show, it was either that or lolWolverine wins because Adamantium can't be cut....
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2015, 11:33:35 pm
I just think it's not cut and dry: I think it could go either way! (I also think Raiden would totally dominate Wolverine without a sword, adamatium-cutting or otherwise)

I came across this today, and it seemed pretty appropriate. Fantastic comic book writer Kurt Busiek, who (in addition to a bunch of other great stuff) wrote the iconic crossover JLA/Avengers, was recently asked on Twitter about the Batman/Captain America fight in that book (the fight lasts only a few seconds, because they both realize they shouldn't be fighting, and while they seemed pretty evenly matched Batman admits that Cap would probably beat him, given enough time). He gave this response, which I think is important to keep in mind when pitting characters up against each other and trying to figure out who would win:
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The hard fact is, anyone can beat anyone. We’re writers. We rig the fights. It’s why Squirrel Girl is Unbeatable. Our job as writers is to tell a story, not referee between fictional characters. They don’t actually do anything without we make ‘em do it. And comic book fights are absolutely full of underdogs winning against incredible odds. It’s how the stories work. So while it’s fun for readers to argue about, those of us pulling the puppet strings tend not to be as interested because we know the truth. And the truth is: Is it a good story? If so, that’s what matters. If not, we screwed up. But either way, the fights are still rigged.
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Post by: Thagr8test on September 11, 2015, 12:10:58 am
Thats why people should take all of the " DATA " presented in these death battles with a grain of salt especially with goku and superman that shit is like a religion for some people and they quote all of these fictional feats performed by these characters like a religious person quoting from the bible. I don't see how anyone besides children not old enough to know better can lose sight of the fact that ALL of this crap is subject to the whims of writers as evidenced by inconsistent character traits from one story to the next
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Post by: hatter on September 11, 2015, 12:19:21 am
Gonna jump in and say despite the bad voice acting on both sides, and the pacing, I actually loved this one. I think the way Wolvie died is logical considering that his healing factor is located in his brain (do note my comic book knowledge is not top tier, and if I am wrong please correct me), and what better way to stop that factor than decapitation? Plus the Zandatsu slashing was hype. :P

Tho I do wish the voice acting was better, Raiden didn't even sound like Raiden in MGRR and Wolverine's voice was a bad attempt at his Marvel Anime voice in the X-Men segment.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on September 11, 2015, 01:12:25 am
I just think it's not cut and dry: I think it could go either way! (I also think Raiden would totally dominate Wolverine without a sword, adamatium-cutting or otherwise)

I came across this today, and it seemed pretty appropriate. Fantastic comic book writer Kurt Busiek, who (in addition to a bunch of other great stuff) wrote the iconic crossover JLA/Avengers, was recently asked on Twitter about the Batman/Captain America fight in that book (the fight lasts only a few seconds, because they both realize they shouldn't be fighting, and while they seemed pretty evenly matched Batman admits that Cap would probably beat him, given enough time). He gave this response, which I think is important to keep in mind when pitting characters up against each other and trying to figure out who would win:
Quote
The hard fact is, anyone can beat anyone. We’re writers. We rig the fights. It’s why Squirrel Girl is Unbeatable. Our job as writers is to tell a story, not referee between fictional characters. They don’t actually do anything without we make ‘em do it. And comic book fights are absolutely full of underdogs winning against incredible odds. It’s how the stories work. So while it’s fun for readers to argue about, those of us pulling the puppet strings tend not to be as interested because we know the truth. And the truth is: Is it a good story? If so, that’s what matters. If not, we screwed up. But either way, the fights are still rigged.

Thats why people should take all of the " DATA " presented in these death battles with a grain of salt especially with goku and superman that shit is like a religion for some people and they quote all of these fictional feats performed by these characters like a religious person quoting from the bible. I don't see how anyone besides children not old enough to know better can lose sight of the fact that ALL of this crap is subject to the whims of writers as evidenced by inconsistent character traits from one story to the next

Of course honestly. I'm not pretending otherwise, it just gets funny when it's obvious as hell it's rigged rather than looking like they are truly trying(Like with Toph vs. Gaara.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 17, 2015, 01:52:56 am

Eh, guess Hercule is going against Dan.  OMM already did fine with that personally, but guess we'll see how this one goes.

Maybe if he wins he can go on to beat Superman and Kirby on the next April Fool's episode.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Segatron on September 17, 2015, 07:45:25 pm
Oh finally two jokes going head to head
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 17, 2015, 08:59:41 pm
Oh finally two jokes going head to head

They already fought in One Minute Melee. Why let those two fight again in Death Battle, idk.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 18, 2015, 12:20:47 am
Oh finally two jokes going head to head

They already fought in One Minute Melee. Why let those two fight again in Death Battle, idk.

Well, somebody has to die... plus, since Satan won in One Minute Melee, I can petty much see Dan winning here... or it could go like the Goomba-Koopa match and end in a draw.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 21, 2015, 09:59:57 pm

New One Minute Melee's out.

Still want to see that Vergil/Sephiroth match.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 22, 2015, 01:26:23 am
Just watched the new OMM. Love their use of "Sparking" throughout the whole fight.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on September 22, 2015, 01:32:43 am
That was beautiful. Definitely my new fave so far. :D

Also, Vergil/Sephiroth OMM or DB? Either one is hype for me, but I just wanna know.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on September 22, 2015, 01:35:28 am
Actually holy shit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 22, 2015, 01:54:54 am
Also, Vergil/Sephiroth OMM or DB?
One Minute Melee.  If the character select screen is indeed hinting at what future battles they'll have, then those two seem the most likely match up to each other.

In a Death Battle, I'd place Sesshomaru over Sephiroth to be more on terms with Vergil.  Don't want to overkill Vergil now.  Though I still like the idea of Sesshomaru and Ghost Rider better, it's more fun when the two are so far apart yet have one common theme, and like Wolverine and Raiden, one has a specific resistance that'd without would make it too unfair.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: walt on September 24, 2015, 12:33:47 am
Sean Altly and Chuchoryu properly credited. I is pleased.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: PBRTODD101 on September 24, 2015, 06:12:56 am
Those sprites were made by CVSNB though, Sean only made minor edits/tweaks to them. Pretty awesome fight though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 24, 2015, 11:15:03 am
Those sprites were made by CVSNB though, Sean only made minor edits/tweaks to them. Pretty awesome fight though.

Actually no... Cvsnb only made the SFxT style sprites. The Jin in his Tekken 4 costume was made by Sean
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: PBRTODD101 on September 24, 2015, 11:15:21 pm
Pretty sure he made both http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/cvs-jin-kazama-sprite-cvsnb-129764.0.html
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 25, 2015, 01:35:10 am
While you guys were fawning over the sprites in the last One Minute Melee, the preview for Dan Hibiki showed up yesterday morning:

https://youtu.be/o0Keity0fuA
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 25, 2015, 01:36:54 am
You are aware that there's a youtube tag, right?

In fact, lemme fix that for you.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on September 25, 2015, 01:57:46 am
Dan is soooo dead.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Segatron on September 25, 2015, 02:05:13 pm
No Bea He will win this I believe the SAIKYO FIST!!!!!!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 30, 2015, 04:01:13 pm
It's out
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 30, 2015, 04:31:21 pm
well that was interesting. next fight will be yang huh.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 30, 2015, 05:15:16 pm
That was quite fun to watch.. I actually learned something (Dan doing a freaking Shun Goku Satsu? I need to see this with my own eyes).

Now, the next fight... OK, someone tell me who this Yang is? I have no knowledge of RWBY at all. (Did I get the name right?)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Prime SC on September 30, 2015, 05:41:37 pm
they should do kakashi vs chameleon copy ninja battle
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on September 30, 2015, 05:57:45 pm
Called it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 30, 2015, 11:08:21 pm
Video is private. But that's only because they just re-uploaded it:



Edit:
Well that ended kinda.. morbidly. Oh well, pretty funny fight overall.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2015, 01:16:43 am
I actually like the One Minute Melee version better.  This seemed dragged out.  Funny way to pull off the fatality, though.  I have zero interest in the next fight, though, so oh well.  Though I will be greatly entertained if her opponent ends up being Tex of Red vs Blue.  Because, you know, same team worked on them.


And I'd like to see the evolution to this.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 05, 2015, 09:57:18 pm
Kenshiro vs Jotaro One Minute Melee is out


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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on October 05, 2015, 10:27:47 pm
It's been confirmed that Yang's opponent is none other than.........

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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 05, 2015, 10:35:29 pm
Aw man, I thought it was gonna be Garnet
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 05, 2015, 11:09:21 pm
Man, what a wasted opportunity for the best chance to see Tex.  And probably Grif get beat up, which is always fun.

Spoiler: So basics I got from the RWBY wiki... (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on October 07, 2015, 08:05:51 pm
Yang's vid
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 07, 2015, 11:52:02 pm
Yeah...I'm not getting the appeal.  And she's outclassed.  Until she plays Mirror Force, which would be such a disappointing ending, but I suspect as with Snake going the extra mile for the voice actor and advertising it's gonna skew the fight in her favor.  But I'll be glad to be wrong.

Still say Agent Texas was the better opponent here.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on October 14, 2015, 08:05:45 pm
Tifa's vid
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Laharl on October 15, 2015, 02:39:17 am
the fact they are doing this "and are avid fans of monty" I cannot see tifa winning this regardless. If tifa does win though I will be really surprised.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on October 15, 2015, 09:23:44 am
boob battle!!!! tifa's gonna win she outclass yang in everything.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: GF202020 on October 15, 2015, 01:10:15 pm
Yang's going to win due to nepotism and advertisiment. ScrewAttack and RoosterTeeth are owned by the same company and new RWBY shit is being made.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on October 15, 2015, 03:53:25 pm
i don't care about marketing bullshit really i just like boobs.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 15, 2015, 03:56:02 pm
Well, if nothing else, +1 for being wrong and getting someone for voicing Tifa and mentioning it.  Still feels like this is going to be a total cop out win for Yang with that reflected damage thing.  Still gonna suck if that happens.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on October 15, 2015, 04:06:04 pm
Yang's going to win due to nepotism and advertisiment. ScrewAttack and RoosterTeeth are owned by the same company and new RWBY shit is being made.
lol thats just too cynical. they already promote their webshow through this deathbattle, so if they give her an unfair win, people may hate her and never watch the show she came from. so hopefully it won't turn out like that.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 19, 2015, 03:32:27 pm
New OMM is out
Vergil vs Sephiroth



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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 19, 2015, 03:41:10 pm
As I thought.  Though would have placed them having the other win hard, stats or no.  At least they did better by Vergil's fight than Dante's.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on October 19, 2015, 03:59:53 pm
nice battle, although the KO strike wasn't well shown at all. it's like they wanted it to be unclear.
Vergil bugs out on the winner screen.  Guess there's a reupload on the way?
lol are you serious? thats like the ultimate nitpick.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on October 19, 2015, 05:05:16 pm
That was.. BADASSS!!! :o
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 19, 2015, 05:46:46 pm
lol are you serious? thats like the ultimate nitpick.
And they've reuploaded Death Battle because a stat was listed twice.  It wouldn't be surprising, and this is more noticable an error.

And so much for spoilers.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: SlySuavity on October 21, 2015, 04:53:03 am
So, the recent Death Battle between Yang and Tifa has concluded. Have my thoughts...

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: GF202020 on October 21, 2015, 05:20:58 am
Yang's going to win due to nepotism and advertisiment. ScrewAttack and RoosterTeeth are owned by the same company and new RWBY shit is being made.

hahaha, look who's right.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on October 21, 2015, 05:30:30 am
Yeah the NLF pissed off alot of VS. Battle players...

No doubt the casuals are gonna eat that shit up.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on October 21, 2015, 02:40:43 pm
For those who want to see it
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on October 21, 2015, 06:30:10 pm
good show. lol as expected of scewattack.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on October 22, 2015, 12:20:24 am
Yang's hair was pretty twitchy in some scenes, but other than that, called it.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on October 22, 2015, 12:31:09 am
Dammit Screwattack. >_<
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 22, 2015, 12:51:07 am
Keeping the disappointment train right on a'rollin'.  If nothing else, it wasn't bloody paste in the end.  Tifa's animation was noticably weird at times though.

No preview to go off either for a few days it seems.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 22, 2015, 02:05:53 am
Great battle.

One of the worst finishes to a fight in the franchise so far.

Good going nepotism, if another fight goes this route, I think i'm done with this series.

Edit: And if ScrewAttack thinks they can get me to watch their shitty original programming just to find out who is going to be in the next Death Battle, then they are sorely mistaken.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on October 22, 2015, 02:16:39 am
Death by nepotism.  Feel bad for Yang.  Was a very weird matchup.  Would've made sense if she fought another original series' character instead of someone official but that's just me.

lol that posted got restricted.

if another fight goes this route, I think i'm done with this series.
Was this first time original vs official happened there?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 22, 2015, 02:31:10 am
the casuals
Are you real holy shit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on October 22, 2015, 02:51:12 am
Posting the vid again, since original vid got restricted. (Uploaded by Screwattack themselves this time)



One of the worst finishes to a fight in the franchise so far.

Good going nepotism, if another fight goes this route, I think i'm done with this series.

Not the worst though. I've seen far worse in Death Battle than that.
Spoiler: Just to list some examples of what I mean (click to see content)

Also, this isn't really the 1st time Nepotism won in Death Battle (or hell, even One Minute Melee). But, I'm not really mad at how it turned out. If it were heavily on Nepotism though, the fight would have ended much quicker, along with Yang not giving Tifa a chance to fight back.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 22, 2015, 03:05:27 am
The Fulgore endung was in reference to the reboot's ultra combo though, wasn't it?  And I dunno, I like the psych out Tails did.  Earlier ones like Spawn vs Kratos or Chun-Li vs Mai were worse.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Man, all this did was make me feel sad for FF fans and really wish it was Agent Texas here instead.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on October 22, 2015, 03:21:32 am
The Fulgore endung was in reference to the reboot's ultra combo though, wasn't it?

Yeah (except it just ended with the hype beam rather than beam -> Shoryuken), but that's only because the game was out at the time and Fulgore was still "new" in there. Doesn't even help the fact that the fight ended way too fast.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 22, 2015, 03:23:16 am
Between this and Sephiroth's loss in One Minute Melee to Virgil, I get the feeling that ScrewAttack HQ is going to be flooded with angry Final Fantasy VII fanboys right... about... now.

On to the match itself: This is really the first time I've heard of Yang or RWBY itself... I don't understand what makes her so strong. It feels like that the idea of absorbing blows and then going SSJ seems a tad bit Mary Sue-ish to me. I don't know.

Oh, and if the Death Battle they'll announce in that silly little show is Unicron vs. Galactus, then I'll care. Anything else shall be deemed a failure.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on October 22, 2015, 03:32:58 am
Even if that's the case, there are times when Yang lost in the show itself. So it's not really Mary-Sue ish, and more like a trump card/Deus Ex-Machina (at least the case of how this one's handled).

Sephiroth's loss in One Minute Melee

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on October 22, 2015, 04:54:11 am
Sephiroth's loss in One Minute Melee

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Anything to see Bugya's sprites get more exposure.  That was awesome.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on October 22, 2015, 05:44:05 am
the casuals
Are you real holy shit.

Meant the RWBY/Death Battle fanboys duh.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 22, 2015, 06:23:25 am
What I said still holds true.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on October 22, 2015, 10:00:09 am
What I said still holds true.

Not really since you are the only one throwing a fit...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dycize on October 22, 2015, 11:02:17 am
Personally I'd be less miffed if the cincher wasn't... THAT.
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on October 23, 2015, 01:32:34 pm
wasn't yang beaten by icecream girl in the original show?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on October 23, 2015, 01:40:35 pm
What I said still holds true.

Not really since you are the only one throwing a fit...

you're the one complaining in the first place...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on October 23, 2015, 04:54:54 pm
"Are you real holy shit" and "What I said still holds true" is hardly throwing a fit
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 23, 2015, 05:11:24 pm
Not really since you are the only one throwing a fit...
Are you real holy shit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: supa2520 on October 24, 2015, 09:19:54 pm
well in case you guys saw the ep with yang vs tifa there was a problem
some dude stole the harddrive that contains all the deathbattles in it so wiz and boomstick are screwed! lol

but not to worry I just saw the season finale of The Industry they reviled it
so NEXT TIME ONNNNNN DEATHBATTLE..........
click here
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Big Meme on October 24, 2015, 09:54:16 pm
Spoiler: Just to list some examples of what I mean (click to see content)

I felt the same way.

Never mind that my all-time favorite character lost, but I may be biased on that front.

I nearly quit the series after that battle, but caught back on when I discovered OMM. For some reason, I wasn't as salty when Knux beat Wario for some reason.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on October 24, 2015, 10:01:59 pm
What I said still holds true.

Not really since you are the only one throwing a fit...

you're the one complaining in the first place...

Okay and?
He didn't need to interject in the first place so again, there's no point in anything he says other than trying to start something.
So I find no point in continuing this with anyone.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 24, 2015, 10:54:36 pm
lol
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 24, 2015, 11:22:22 pm
Back on topic then.  Presuming that teaser pic's accurate...

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: supa2520 on October 25, 2015, 03:29:53 pm
Back on topic then.  Presuming that teaser pic's accurate...
still dont believe its happening heres the video

skip it to 4:21
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on October 25, 2015, 03:39:37 pm
calling it now, Mega man is gonna win.
he's got a shitton of weapons and powers he can use (and thats only from the original series and the arcade games). Astro Boy's only powers is that he can fly and shoot lasers.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 25, 2015, 04:37:45 pm
calling it now, Mega man is gonna win.
he's got a shitton of weapons and powers he can use (and thats only from the original series and the arcade games). Astro Boy's only powers is that he can fly and shoot lasers.

Yeah... naw...
This is gonna be another curbstomp battle.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 25, 2015, 08:23:31 pm
Can't Astro, like, fly to the asteroid belt in minutes, then drop a meteor or two on the blue guy?  Or just fly really fast into the guy with the spike on his head?  Mega Man isn't particularly fond of spikes.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 25, 2015, 08:37:24 pm
Or just fly really fast into the guy with the spike on his head?  Mega Man isn't particularly fond of spikes.
Don't forget that MegaMan can wear the Shock Guard, which does save him from spikes once.
Maybe that one time could then make Astro Boy think that using spikes on MegaMan would be pointless.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on October 28, 2015, 08:36:00 pm
Preview for Megaman:
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on October 30, 2015, 10:02:18 am
calling it now, Mega man is gonna win.
he's got a shitton of weapons and powers he can use (and thats only from the original series and the arcade games). Astro Boy's only powers is that he can fly and shoot lasers.

do megaman has a gun in his ass? i don't think so.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on October 31, 2015, 05:12:59 pm
that might even the odds yeah.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: OakTheShadowDragon6060 on October 31, 2015, 08:21:13 pm
Calling it now, Astro Boy will win, if they're not idiots. Astro Boy will adapt to everything Mega Man throws at him, and win. Or Mega Man will win because Death Battle like him more, like they did with Superman VS Goku.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on November 02, 2015, 06:50:39 am
Astro Boy is OP, he's gonna win
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on November 02, 2015, 03:23:58 pm
New OMM is out. Link vs Sora
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 02, 2015, 03:39:33 pm
That fight gave me a huge weeb boner
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 02, 2015, 03:58:26 pm
Neat fight.  But I still think Sailor Moon's the best choice to match-up against Sora.  And seeing Pit's the preferred Death Battle match-up and they've used Sora for OMM now, guess that's no longer an option.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on November 03, 2015, 11:53:04 am
That fight gave me a huge weeb boner

i just got a regular boner since im always a weeb
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Laharl on November 06, 2015, 12:01:32 am
probably the best OMM I have seen yet. Both in presentation and accuracy.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 06, 2015, 12:06:14 am
Sora's voice acting killed it for me lol. Were there really no more than three clips to recycle over and over again or what.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Laharl on November 06, 2015, 12:30:31 am
I didn't even notice the voice acting lol I just enjoyed the fight.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on November 06, 2015, 12:37:56 am
Aside from Sora's voice acting, I actually loved it, especially the beginning and end.  Holy shit, that was pretty hype.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 06, 2015, 12:45:05 am
Jin vs Ryu still tops it imo but that's primarily bc I don't know shit about KH.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Prime SC on November 06, 2015, 12:45:21 am
I love kingdom Hearts and sora but I can't see him beating link the ending made me mad but it was a really good fight
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on November 06, 2015, 01:06:46 am
Jin vs Ryu still tops it imo.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on November 07, 2015, 03:29:37 pm
They should change that SFA3 KO announcer voice, it's really annoying.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 12, 2015, 04:45:28 am

So it's out.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next fight is kinda a bore personally, but I guess it is one people have been asking for.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on November 12, 2015, 09:43:50 am
cool fight, i liked how they gave megaman his sound effects from the NES games, very nostalgic.
 
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on November 12, 2015, 09:47:29 am
love the two characters but astro is just too op for the blue bomber.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Prime SC on November 12, 2015, 09:56:17 am
I can't belive he flew around the world in 2 seconds
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on November 12, 2015, 10:08:25 am
I will be thoroughly disappointed if the next battle is resolved by their skill in their abilities and not by their skill in quipping.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DJ_HANNIBALROYCE on November 12, 2015, 10:16:36 am
astro boy is a beast....never knew much about him
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on November 12, 2015, 12:32:19 pm
I have to say I would love a quipping and burn death battle between Alfred Pennyworth and Edwin Jarvis.
Granted, Jarvis would be completely over matched, but it would very fun to watch.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 12, 2015, 06:32:54 pm
Any incarnation of Alfred would butler rings around any version of Jarvis

Yes, I am including the A.I. Versions
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Post by: hatter on November 12, 2015, 07:30:39 pm
Enjoyed the Death Battle, I kinda wish they gave him some of his MvC moves, like Beat Plane, and that Hyper Mega Man super combo, but I'm content with what I saw.

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Post by: hatter on November 17, 2015, 03:02:26 am
New One Minute Melee came out, Roronoa Zoro vs. Himura Kenshin



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Post by: MAO11 on November 17, 2015, 03:05:05 am
i'm a big samurai x fan it's one of the anime i grew up with.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 17, 2015, 03:17:39 am
Hm, a case where the winner is a no brainer, but a complete bore.  Sora vs Link was done better too.  Oh well.  I know, "No research", but weirdly lacking in showing off Kenshin's moves. Or, uh, getting his name right for that matter.  Not many Kenshin fans at Screwattack I'd take?

Sasuke cameoed, but he's not on that pre-match list.  Guess he's next season.
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Post by: hatter on December 01, 2015, 05:36:25 am
New One Minute Melee, Bulleta v. Peacock (Darkstalkers v. Skullgirls):



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Post by: Kirishima on December 01, 2015, 06:06:26 am
Yes, Peacock finally in OMM.  Sprite clashing looked odd here but the animation of it all was great.

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Post by: Long John Killer on December 01, 2015, 06:16:00 am
My limited knowledge on both says B.B. Hood should have had it in the bag, but it's OMM, so eh.

Yeah, there's a bit of a shortage on sexy nurses in fighting games to exactly match up to.  Isn't she also a ninja or something?  Kasumi'd work then I suppose.  If Taki's not already planned that is.
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Post by: hatter on December 01, 2015, 06:28:46 am

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My limited knowledge on both says B.B. Hood should have had it in the bag, but it's OMM, so eh.

Nah, Peacock definitely had this one. Peacock is pretty much a reality-warping version of Bulleta, so I'm not surprised at the outcome, and whether it was in OMM or DB, Peacock would probably dominate Bulleta in either case.

See kids, this is what happens when you mix Animaniacs with Machete, you get an unstoppable reality warping killing machine thingamajiggy.
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Post by: lui on December 01, 2015, 06:31:49 am
that ending was hilarious, friggin ganged up on bulleta all GTA style too
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 02, 2015, 06:16:12 pm
It's out
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Post by: walt on December 02, 2015, 06:32:53 pm
"Who you gonna call? A HOSPITAL, KID! QUICK! HOLY SHIT!" :laugh:
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 02, 2015, 06:33:31 pm
That was.... one of the worst fights i've ever seen.

That's some Kratos vs Spawn-tier stuff there. Jeeze.
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Post by: walt on December 02, 2015, 06:40:43 pm
Does that Hawkeye sprite set exist, or were those just Green Arrow edits?
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Post by: Bea on December 02, 2015, 09:56:55 pm
I found their lack of bantering and quipping to be disturbing.
Those can't be Green Arrow and Hawkeye. The quipping game was too low for both of them!
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Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on December 02, 2015, 10:21:18 pm
The battle was decent, though the sprite choices were a bit similar.
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Post by: EveryonesKouhai on December 02, 2015, 10:31:47 pm
The battle was decent, though the sprite choices were a bit similar.
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Yeah the spriting was similar since hawkeye's sprites were edited from that same green arrow

Does that Hawkeye sprite set exist, or were those just Green Arrow edits?

Those sprites are edited from green arrow forgot who made that hawkeye
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 02, 2015, 11:49:54 pm
Man, I thought I wasn't going to care for this one,  but that battle was just so lackluster.  And I dunno, the winner seems wrong, given the loser's usual baddies to take on?  A bit of a let down after Mega Man and Astro.  Ah well.

I though Batman returning for another match was due to specific circumstances or something, but I guess he's not the only returnee now.  Also though Galactus and Unicron was going to be the season finale?

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Post by: Jmorphman on December 03, 2015, 01:17:09 am
Yeah I dunno about this one, the battle itself is pretty stilted, and the reasoning behind the victory seemed strained (basically, Hawkeye has a heavier draw weight? Which isn't really reflected in the fight at all?) I mean, I can easily see either party winning here (my gut went for Green Arrow since he has, in general, better gimmick arrows, but I could see Hawkeye winning just as easily); I'm just not really seeing a compelling reason for Hawkeye's win here.

Green Arrow? Are you fucking joking?
What's wrong with Green Arrow?
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 03, 2015, 01:21:45 am
He tried to break Green Arrow's bow with a few shots...and failed, so yeah.
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Post by: MAO11 on December 03, 2015, 10:09:37 am
meh boring deathbattle. and so will the next deathbattle we all know agumon is better than pikachu. or will it be tamer vs tamer.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 10, 2015, 02:52:59 am

Greymon's looking a little small there (http://img14.deviantart.net/9e3a/i/2015/339/a/6/the_size_difference_of_digimon_and_pokemon_by_keyblademagicdan-d9j47fh.png).  Maybe they didn't look into his Greymon form that much simply because they plan to jump to a further more intense one?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 12, 2015, 07:09:50 am
So I know it's not OMM/DB but this series has been somewhat dormant for a while and we finally got a new fight in it and I figure it's relevant enough to post

NEW SUPER POWER BEAT-DOWN!
Spider-Man vs Darth Maul
PLACE BETS NOW!
action starts around 6:45

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Post by: lui on December 12, 2015, 07:10:46 am
holy fuck spiderman looks good.

GO SPIDERMAN GO
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 12, 2015, 07:12:36 am
holy fuck spiderman looks good.

GO SPIDERMAN GO

Yeah ALL of their videos are super top notch and worth checking out.
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Post by: lui on December 12, 2015, 07:19:17 am
i always skip the parts where the guys introduce the video because theyre pretty atrocious. i also dont like how the winner is decided by votes

anywho

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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 12, 2015, 07:24:27 am
After getting my fix from this new episode I can safely say... it's not their best work.
Now if you want to see some of their BEST stuff then I got you covered right here.





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Post by: lui on December 12, 2015, 07:26:38 am
darth vader vs batman was for sure the best one.

that shot of batman with a lightsaber was just glorius
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 14, 2015, 03:30:45 pm
Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Metal Sonic vs Bowser Jr.
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Post by: R565 on December 14, 2015, 03:57:19 pm
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Post by: hatter on December 14, 2015, 04:00:36 pm
That was pretty funny to watch, I liked how it ended. Guess that means Bowser v. Mecha Sonic for a future OMM?

Also, may I inquire about Mecha Sonic's voice? I feel like I've heard it somewhere, but I can't put a finger on it.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 14, 2015, 04:29:46 pm
That was pretty funny to watch, I liked how it ended. Guess that means Bowser v. Mecha Sonic for a future OMM?

Also, may I inquire about Mecha Sonic's voice? I feel like I've heard it somewhere, but I can't put a finger on it.

Meta Cooler
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Post by: hatter on December 14, 2015, 04:41:23 pm
That was pretty funny to watch, I liked how it ended. Guess that means Bowser v. Mecha Sonic for a future OMM?

Also, may I inquire about Mecha Sonic's voice? I feel like I've heard it somewhere, but I can't put a finger on it.

Meta Cooler
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Thanks! :)
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Post by: R565 on December 14, 2015, 05:14:55 pm
You know that fight had some Super Mario Bros Z vibes to it. I'm just wondering if it's some hype to the reboot.
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Post by: rgveda99 on December 16, 2015, 03:13:43 pm



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Post by: Kirishima on December 16, 2015, 03:38:48 pm
Pretty expected.  Still good.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 16, 2015, 04:06:04 pm
Meh, waiting for this one I went and found some of the Pokemon manga to remember some of Red's more outlandish things.  Beating the three legendary birds fused into one seems like it should be something worth mentioning.  And each gym badge multiplies all the trainer's pokemon's stats, so having 8 of them should also have been brought up.

I knew the winner would come from adding more evolutions, but Charizard to Greymon, besides size Charizard should have been better everywhere else.  Eh, at least it wasn't a win by removing all the air.
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Post by: hatter on December 16, 2015, 04:08:12 pm
Couldn't really bring myself to enjoy this much because the winner was a no-brainer, but it was good tho. I liked how the graphics looked in this DB.


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Post by: Thagr8test on December 16, 2015, 04:25:47 pm
pretty cool fight although seeing the attack leading up to the finish kind of bothered me in the same way seeing the turtles kill each other did oh well childhood attachment to the characters i guess
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 16, 2015, 06:42:18 pm
Yeah this one was kinda obvious from the word "go"

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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 28, 2015, 03:40:58 pm
Double post because there is a new video out.

Uh... Master Hand vs Polygon man?

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Post by: R565 on December 28, 2015, 06:17:18 pm
Battle of the Bosses.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 28, 2015, 10:23:09 pm
That was a one sided fight if there ever was one... sheesh.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on January 11, 2016, 03:54:40 pm
New OMM

Green Arrow vs... Hawkeye



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Post by: Long John Killer on January 11, 2016, 07:21:48 pm
It was better than Death Battle's take, but it's just kinda the nature of the fight makes it hard to be very interesting to watch without getting ridiculous.  Good thing they are ridiculous superheroes then.

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Post by: hatter on January 11, 2016, 10:25:11 pm
Master Hand v. Polygon Man was great, the Hawkeye v. Green Arrow OMM was just about as bad as their Death Battle (but that's probably because I hate Green Arrow and am not really fond of Hawkeye, but ehhh).

Wonder who's next for OMM tho.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 13, 2016, 08:01:20 am
Not really DB or OMM, but its a similar concept to OMM

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Post by: Negi Springfield on January 13, 2016, 06:11:48 pm
Perfectly fine to post stuff like that, just as long as it's good/well made and I must say that certainly was well made. The ending was a little weak in my book but the fight was decent.
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Post by: R565 on January 13, 2016, 07:05:19 pm
Yeah it fits, also to mention...
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Post by: Kirishima on January 15, 2016, 09:44:56 pm
Double post because there is a new video out.

Uh... Master Hand vs Polygon man?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGCDThz1ttQ[/youtube]
Maybe it's me but Final Destination layouts look like EXShadow's stage.

Surprised to see N64Mario being credited for Master Hand, but I don't remember what changes he made for the sprites.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 15, 2016, 11:13:26 pm
So Marvel released this vid on their channel. I'd like to know what the fuck they were smoking
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Post by: walt on January 15, 2016, 11:35:59 pm
So Marvel released this vid on their channel. I'd like to know what the fuck they were smoking
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrpUCxuf0Tc[/youtube]
It was prolly some of that good shit kids are consuming these days (http://s9.postimg.org/aou0mw9q3/MFGexclusive.png)

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Post by: hatter on January 15, 2016, 11:46:49 pm
So Marvel released this vid on their channel. I'd like to know what the fuck they were smoking
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrpUCxuf0Tc[/youtube]

That is way too much ganja to take.
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Post by: DelusionTrim on January 16, 2016, 01:51:24 am
So Marvel released this vid on their channel. I'd like to know what the fuck they were smoking
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrpUCxuf0Tc[/youtube]

When I thought Spider Man and Luke Cage copying Street Fighter characters' moves were bad enough they make this, lol.

Just gotta love how there's no consistency in this "fight" at all, though trying to explain why wouldn't be worth it at all...
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Post by: Titiln on January 16, 2016, 01:58:17 am
Not really DB or OMM, but its a similar concept to OMM
the animation, camerawork and voice acting in dante deadpool was excellent. it's weird that they have those production values but the pixel text is so goddamn horrendous. i liked it better than most of the stuff (if not all the stuff) i've seen from death battle

So Marvel released this vid on their channel. I'd like to know what the fuck they were smoking
what is this shit

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Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2016, 02:27:19 am
I don't particularly mind the non-Screwattack shows discussion, but wouldn't they be better off in their own thread, like Super Power Beat Down?  That or I guess I could change this to the "All You Can Kill Fan-made Deathmatch" thread.

Meant to post this yesterday, whoops.  So Sccrewattack teased the next fight in March. (https://www.facebook.com/OfficialSA/photos/a.10150105924226185.268398.277319861184/10153517487021185/?type=3)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12417659_10153517487021185_2377927776007850513_n.jpg?oh=179da610fed52cb4effd2e5f849b7cfa&oe=5739A052)

Meh.  I suppose the obvious answer to the other opponent is Dante, but that would mean working against Word of God from the creators who wins if they want to even give Dante a chance.  So presuming it's not Dante...fighting a fellow witch?  I don't know many witches to suggest though.

Go Elphaba, kick her Smash Bros. poll stealing ass.
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Post by: SNT on January 16, 2016, 02:35:37 am
So presuming it's not Dante...fighting a fellow witch?  I don't know many witches to suggest though.
First one that comes to mind is Ultimecia, but that'd be an outright massacre.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2016, 02:49:57 am
Oh, man, I wish I'd thought of that sooner.  That I'd like to see, to be honest.
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Post by: Kirishima on January 16, 2016, 02:56:42 am
Calling it: Palutena.
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Post by: DelusionTrim on January 16, 2016, 03:32:49 am
Problem with Dante is that they would have to choose which DMC version will fight Bayonetta, I guess they could make a mix of them in one character and do the same to Bayo but even then it's kinda complicated...

Have no idea who it would be besides Dante, it will be an interesting match just for Bayonetta alone, though.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2016, 03:43:20 am
It would be the end of 4 Dante, taking his best feets and mashing them into one guy, just like the rest.

Facebook at least suggests Lightning and Kratos.  God, I hope not for Lightning.  I mean, I'd enioy Lightning winning and all, but she could use a better themed match-up, something more interesting.  Kratos I wouldn't mind coming back, Charizard got to.  Though he's just gonna try to sleep with her then die.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on January 16, 2016, 05:00:07 am
You know, why not Dante? That would be a great match up for Death Battle... provided they keep Reboot Dante far, far away. Give me old Dante at his full potential any day.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for Galactus vs. Unicron.... better be in Season 3.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 16, 2016, 11:13:12 pm
I'd like it if it was Nariko from Heavenly Sword.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2016, 11:21:18 pm
You know, why not Dante?
Because it's already been decided Dante loses.  It's no fun watching a fight you know the winner while the other side has no chance.

It occurs to me that the other character might be that Kill la Kill striper girl.  Going to be awkward opening on that theme, but still.  Any chance of it being an even fight?  I tried to watch it and had enough when they got to the school sporting teams tearing each others clothes off for sport or something weird and bizarre while she manages to not kill them while cutting them down.
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Post by: Laharl on January 16, 2016, 11:26:49 pm
thinking about that Ryuko Might be a good fit her sword is MADE to cut clothes and not people. Bayonettas hair IS her clothes. I highly reccomend you finish the anime it gets a hilarious/interesting plot, secondly shes not a stripper she did not choose that outfit its kind of forced lol.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 16, 2016, 11:36:47 pm
Reaching the school was the third attempt at watching it.  I went for the clifnotes afterwords to satisfy friends who needed me to get it.  It's all about the forced perception and boundries of wearing clothes when we should be naked and free.  Thanks, no, Makoto Kusanagi did it better.

So the sword literally can't harm people?  That'd make some sense, being a scissor sword against the evils of fabric or whatever?  I guess?  She's no Kenshin and can still beat up with the dull side I'm guessing though.  And judging from the first Bayonetta going all super Sindel to getting a haircut but still somehow controlling the hair around her, I'm guessing cutting it does absolutely nothing.  So yeah, mis-match there.
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Post by: Laharl on January 16, 2016, 11:40:52 pm
nah it CAN harm people its just its not geared towards it, its still a huge scissor blade that can gut a person she just uses it for killing clothes. since you read cliffnotes you are probably aware of a certain death in the series that kind of fuels her character most of the time.
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Post by: D.R.B on January 17, 2016, 12:45:57 am
I don't know many witches to suggest though.

there was Alicia Claus from a game no one remembers

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Bulletwitchcover.jpg/256px-Bulletwitchcover.jpg)
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 19, 2016, 12:52:55 am
https://twitter.com/ScrewAttackBen/status/689160842844196864

So signs point to it being a Zelda character.

God damn it, it's going to be Midna, isn't it?  They're gonna kill one of my favorite Nintendo characters ever with one I can't stand.  Right when she returns in Twilight Princess HD.  And I'm going to be twice as sad dragging her dying body up the castle in the game then. :'(

Master Chief, step in and Spartan Laser her to dust instead.
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Post by: SNT on January 25, 2016, 03:10:20 pm


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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 25, 2016, 03:13:31 pm
Its OMM, they basically let their faves win, regardless of character
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Post by: Kirishima on January 25, 2016, 03:59:33 pm
Whatever happened to the results screen?  Who made these sprites?
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Post by: Darkflare on January 26, 2016, 03:14:45 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey4ngnwtpSw[/youtube]

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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 05, 2016, 10:43:14 pm
Alternate ending is released
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Post by: Negi Springfield on February 09, 2016, 04:09:40 pm
On a similar note; the alternate ending for Superpower Beatdown's Spider-Man vs Darth Maul is out
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 09, 2016, 10:58:51 pm
That was a fairly cool idea and execution for it to then just end so quickly.  Well, still cool, I like this version better.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 28, 2016, 05:00:16 pm

They're back.

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Post by: Bea on February 28, 2016, 11:28:38 pm
That one is a very weird pick on their part.
"Word of god" has already said who would win that match, so, what is the point? :|
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 29, 2016, 03:18:24 am
I don't get it either.  The newcomer either wins, and their information gathering is put into question and doubt on their research on any future episodes, or they lose and they just agree with the previous as close to canon as we'll get outcome.  Which would be perfect for One Minute Melee to get that done with, but unnecessary for Death Battle.  Especially as the one they choose to come back from vacation on.

Eh.  Well, knowing now it's not a Zelda character as previously hinted, that means we have something else planned for a Zelda character to drop by.  I'd enjoy it if they viewed Toon Link as a separate entity than Link, as Nintendo by now pretty much does other than official timeline, but I'm also all up for Ganondorf destroying Bowser and resurrecting Dry Bowser as his minion.  Or Impa versus another water-wielding ninja.  Naruto's Zabuza would be interesting.  Still would like Midna, though in a match not so one-sided depending on their interpretation on Twili Midna..
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 29, 2016, 03:59:32 am
I don't understand this choice. The man who created both characters has said how this would end. Anyone who's played both series knows how this would end. I guess their 3D animator just really wanted to animate it?
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 03, 2016, 12:36:45 am

Dante's preview is out.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 06, 2016, 07:27:44 am
New vid from the guy who does Arcade mode
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Post by: lui on March 06, 2016, 07:34:54 am
i like the animation itself, but i really dont like it when fan-made animations over-use the whole "epic, godly" kind of soundtrack, it gets kind of annoying and sounds generic
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Post by: major jon on March 06, 2016, 10:10:55 am
Bugs Bunny vs Mickey Mouse

Ratchet and Clank vs Jak and Daxter

Homer vs Peter

Peacock vs Cup Head
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Post by: AlexSin on March 06, 2016, 12:07:18 pm
New vid from the guy who does Arcade mode
[youtube]vhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTPnA1lk0xM[/youtube]

The video got deleted. What was that about?
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 06, 2016, 05:01:36 pm
New vid from the guy who does Arcade mode
[youtube]vhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTPnA1lk0xM[/youtube]

The video got deleted. What was that about?

https://twitter.com/mightyraccoon0/status/706434544614948864
Quote
Guys I've deleted the video for some audio issues and gonna upload it today again. Sorry about that!

Movie is back up
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 09, 2016, 01:15:57 am
Superman vs Saitama teaser
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Post by: lui on March 09, 2016, 01:16:41 am
saitama looks creepy as hell
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 09, 2016, 09:41:35 am
Saitama vs Superman? I'm sorry, but that's very one-sided.

Much more interesting would be Saitama vs Someone who can absorb punches/damage
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Post by: D.R.B on March 09, 2016, 10:36:33 am
Saitama vs Superman? I'm sorry, but that's very one-sided.

Much more interesting would be Saitama vs Someone who can absorb punches/damage

but even that would be one-sided
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 09, 2016, 04:18:29 pm
Okay this Saitama bullshit is getting out of hand. The little bitch couldn't even beat Kenshiro.

Anyway, new teaser.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2016, 01:29:20 am

I guess OMM's jumped to a new channel, then.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on March 10, 2016, 01:36:06 am
are they ever going to make an animated version of tails vs sephiroth
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on March 10, 2016, 01:39:59 am


The intro sequence looks cooler now, I don't really mind if it moves to another channel as long as the formula is kept.

Wonder why they didn't keep the select screen gimmick? I kinda like it.

As for the fight, not bad, though certainly doesn't top the Zoro and Rurouni Kenshin fight (which I think took place in that same forest?)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2016, 01:47:31 am
Equally out of touch with both, but I thought Ichigo was classified as a ghost or spirit when he's using his powers, and is completely undetectable to humans.  It was a big deal whenever someone could barely make out their presence, so I'd guess the fight would be more Sasuke can't track what he's fighting whatsoever.

Unless those fancy eyes of his are ghost detectors too, I have no clue what magic those things do any more.

are they ever going to make an animated version of tails vs sephiroth
If there's a reference here, I'm not getting it.  We're not requesting ridiculous nonsense matches like Wolverine vs Kenny McCormick or something like that.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 10, 2016, 02:37:36 am
The joke is that match was filled with "I hit you with my sword." *teleports behind you* *teleports behind you* like
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 11, 2016, 08:30:53 am
Saitama vs Superman? I'm sorry, but that's very one-sided.

Much more interesting would be Saitama vs Someone who can absorb punches/damage

but even that would be one-sided

How? Saitama is fighting someone who can absorb damage and turn the absorbed damage into more power.
I mean, Saitama could win if he feeds the damage absorber with his punches so much that the damage absorber absorbs more damage than he/she can handle and then explodes. However, the damage absorber could easily use the absorbed damage to perform one-hit punches himself/herself.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on March 11, 2016, 09:48:43 am
Saitama vs Superman? I'm sorry, but that's very one-sided.

Much more interesting would be Saitama vs Someone who can absorb punches/damage

but even that would be one-sided

How? Saitama is fighting someone who can absorb damage and turn the absorbed damage into more power.
I mean, Saitama could win if he feeds the damage absorber with his punches so much that the damage absorber absorbs more damage than he/she can handle and then explodes. However, the damage absorber could easily use the absorbed damage to perform one-hit punches himself/herself.

well, Saitama  IS made to always be one-sided character , even if he fought a character that can absorb damage, Saitama well win just can its his gag to always win , he simply doesn't really belong in these matches
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 11, 2016, 10:00:10 am
i really don't know why people take saitama so seriously, the point of his character is that he takes nothing seriously, that's what he's about, ironically it leads to a bunch of heated debates about "saitama can beat this and that" or whatever, he's intentionally broken and thats why i always get annoyed about all the discussions about it. in the end he wins everything, thats the whole point of his story, its a dang parody of every shounen ever lol
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 11, 2016, 10:25:20 am
i really don't know why people take saitama so seriously, the point of his character is that he takes nothing seriously, that's what he's about, ironically it leads to a bunch of heated debates about "saitama can beat this and that" or whatever, he's intentionally broken and thats why i always get annoyed about all the discussions about it. in the end he wins everything, thats the whole point of his story, its a dang parody of every shounen ever lol
No, Saitama does not neceserily win everything. I even gave an explanation for that.
but even that would be one-sided

How? Saitama is fighting someone who can absorb damage and turn the absorbed damage into more power.
I mean, Saitama could win if he feeds the damage absorber with his punches so much that the damage absorber absorbs more damage than he/she can handle and then explodes. However, the damage absorber could easily use the absorbed damage to perform one-hit punches himself/herself.

well, Saitama  IS made to always be one-sided character , even if he fought a character that can absorb damage, Saitama well win just can its his gag to always win , he simply doesn't really belong in these matches
Don't be ridiculous, nobody wins simply for the sake of winning. Damage absorber that get stronger the more damage they receive CAN defeat Saitama. Seriously, why is that so hard to understand?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on March 11, 2016, 10:30:55 am
i'm not being ridiculous

Saitama was made to make fun of shounen animes/mangas

if you want to talk about being ridiculous , Saitama only enemy he could not beat is a mosquito , that goes to show you how seriously the show should be taken
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 11, 2016, 10:36:31 am
youre missing the point of my post, the point wasnt to give a reason on why saitama cant be beat, my point was that debates on who can beat saitama are pretty pointless and are as redundant as power levels in DBZ.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on March 11, 2016, 01:38:08 pm
Clearly the only debate worth discussing with Saitama is whether he could beat Squirrel Girl.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 12, 2016, 02:14:40 am
can squirrel girl even beat squirrel girl?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on March 12, 2016, 01:24:07 pm
anything is passible for her , just as long its off-panel

SG vs SG can end in a double KO off-panel
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 14, 2016, 07:54:01 pm

Episode's out for subscribers.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 15, 2016, 08:31:21 am
The joke is that match was filled with "I hit you with my sword." *teleports behind you* *teleports behind you* like
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqgMPTSz91E[/youtube]
What I find especially funny about this is that Tails has a sword all of the sudden.
It only gets funnier when you find out that Tails actually DID wield a sword in an official Sonic media:
(http://i.imgur.com/UJ0wpJm.jpg)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 15, 2016, 09:27:09 am
Watched it...
Spoiler: And the Winner is (click to see content)
Fight itself was animated pretty well, so atleast they are improving there.
And geewiz, DBX is so hard trying to be OMM, the shader style they used for the first fight is just ugly as fuck, DBX is their new show that is basically OMM... but they swear its not
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 16, 2016, 02:46:52 am
Watched it...
Spoiler: And the Winner is (click to see content)
Fight itself was animated pretty well, so atleast they are improving there.
And geewiz, DBX is so hard trying to be OMM, the shader style they used for the first fight is just ugly as fuck, DBX is their new show that is basically OMM... but they swear its not

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Sorry for the unsolicited post and for butting in, I just wanted to clear some things up. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on March 16, 2016, 02:29:47 pm
DB's on YT now (and so is DBX.. whatever the acronym means):
Death Battle:


DBX:


Quick Note: Whoever animated DBX needs to step up their game. Immediately.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Big Meme on March 16, 2016, 03:11:01 pm
That reminds me of 1st season RWBY, and not in a good way.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on March 16, 2016, 03:31:48 pm

Apart from the voices (the SFA3 KO voice and Burai's voice for Ippo), I can enjoy this video much more than the other one, it felt so unfinished.
Plus we get to see the Dempsey Roll. :D
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 16, 2016, 03:54:43 pm
so one minute melee became it's own seperate thing from screwattack, so screw attack is replacing it with a show called death battle X, basically it's the same thing but instead of just random opponents the fighters are characters that are affiliated with the DB contestants in one way or another, oh and they also kill eachother at the end as well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 16, 2016, 04:01:09 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKZQgmTmyzQ[/youtube]
Apart from the voices (the SFA3 KO voice and Burai's voice for Ippo), I can enjoy this video much more than the other one, it felt so unfinished.
Plus we get to see the Dempsey Roll. :D
This a alternate version or something? Coz this battle has been posted before.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on March 16, 2016, 04:10:10 pm
It's the full/extended version of what was shown on Screwattack.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on March 16, 2016, 04:17:40 pm
What he said.
I don't repost stuff if it is already posted.

Walruslui, I have the same feeling, they're doing their own thing to replace OMM. But it's not looking good.
Well, they just started so I can't say much, but if they put the same effort they had for Bayonetta vs Dante, it would have looked much better.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 16, 2016, 04:30:22 pm
it's a new animator, he's not as well polished as torian, im giving him the benefit of the doubt tho, he's still not as experienced as torian so he could only go up from there
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 16, 2016, 06:09:48 pm
Gotta say that Dante vs Bayonetta battle is easily my new favorite. I really have no issues with it and the logic used for the result was solid.

The Ippo vs Lil Mac match was also much better then previously shown.

I had a legit good time watching both of them and I haven't in a while.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 17, 2016, 12:27:16 am
it's a new animator, he's not as well polished as torian, im giving him the benefit of the doubt tho, he's still not as experienced as torian so he could only go up from there

I agree with that statement and add in that DBX isn't set to debut until May. That gives this new guy a couple of months to polish up his animation skills and give this spin off a chance to thrive.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2016, 12:30:02 am
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/710117717097877504

Kamiya isn't too pleased.

I am, though. :D  Though ignoring him still does bug me the more blatantly they'll ignore info one way or another.  Not as much as Yang and Tifa, but whatever, they needed the promotion.

Spoiler: Next fight (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 17, 2016, 12:34:37 am
I can easily see that as him just being tired of getting probably a million tweets about it today and generally being tired of the question in general.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2016, 12:36:03 am
Fair enough, didn't think of that.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2016, 12:44:30 am
Yeah, nah, Bayonetta would stomp Dante.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 17, 2016, 12:56:34 am
regardless that animation was torian's best to date, hands down. alot of cool moments.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: R565 on March 17, 2016, 01:34:18 am
Eh, Kamiya being Kamiya. Still, the fight is the best so far hands down in my opinion.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 17, 2016, 03:00:36 am
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/710117717097877504

Kamiya isn't too pleased.

I am, though. :D  Though ignoring him still does bug me the more blatantly they'll ignore info one way or another.  Not as much as Yang and Tifa, but whatever, they needed the promotion.

Spoiler: Next fight (click to see content)

The thing to remember about Kamiya, is that he hates three things.
1.Being asked the same question multiple times
2.Being asked about things he has no stake in, like DMC and Bayo post-1.
3.The matchup in general, he's never given a direct answer and he absolutely HATES being asked as he still respects Capcom.

Kamiya asked people to knock it off for weeks leading up to this, and now that the battle is actually up I can only imagine that he's unhappy.   Keep in mind that to Kamiya this was basically making his two children fight, he wasn't going to be happy either way, and that's on top of the fact that people are constantly pestering him about it and generally harassing him.  I'm glad we put that "but Kamiya said Bayo was stronger" myth to rest forever (hopefully) but I hate that people are giving him shit.  They need to just leave the man alone already.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on March 17, 2016, 04:17:21 am
I'm was for sure Kamiya said Bayo was stronger than DMC1 Dante, didn't he?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 17, 2016, 04:29:54 am
Never.  It was a joke taken out of context.  I even posted the exact quote earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2016, 04:34:14 am
i am pretty sure that if kamiya was that determined about bayonetta beating dante he would've reiterated it considering the 5000 times he's been asked that lately
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on March 17, 2016, 04:40:36 am
i don't understand why this stuff matters so much to people. it's just a fan crossover show, a glorified fan fiction. if it's not made by the creators then it really shouldn't piss them off that much.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2016, 04:45:43 am
Well, there is something annoying to it when they disregard info, like Shiek or gen 1 Pokemon badge multiplying power per each or whatever, and it becomes popular opinion due to the show's popularity.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 17, 2016, 05:31:35 am
The point I'm trying to make is that they didn't really get anything wrong here.  The whole "Kamiya said Bayonetta was stronger" is born of nothing more than a misunderstanding of his joke, because cultural shit like that is easily lost in translation.  If you're a Bayonetta fan and you're upset by the outcome, well that's fine and I can't really blame you, but I only posted in this thread because I wanted to bring light to the fact that Kamiya never outright stated anything concrete either way.  People just took his joke at face value and ran with it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 17, 2016, 06:16:54 am
Loved this one
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/710294410290814976
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 17, 2016, 06:27:23 am
It's as I said, the result is not what concerns him, he is genuinely tired of hearing about the concept itself. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 17, 2016, 07:38:39 am
Watched the extended OMM of Mac vs Ippo.. holy shit, was amazing, so much better than the original one.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: JudaiZX on March 18, 2016, 05:10:30 pm
People kept saying "Bayonetta killed a god!" as their reasoning as to why she should have won.....
uhm, didn't Dante do the same thing? DMC1's Mundus might as well be the equivalent of a god. Or that giant godlike statue in DMC4 (Pretty sure it was called "Savior")? I really don't see how people doubted Dante would win.
Yeah Bayonetta is powerful too, but to Dante this was just another day at work for him.
Still that was one of the best DB animations I've ever seen from them, but my only complaint is their fandubbing is.....ehh......I mean I get it if they couldn't get Reuben Langdon for Dante and whoever Bayonetta's voice actress is, but I think they could've at least just used voice clips from the games. Whoever was voicing Dante in that video sounded like if Reuben Langdon swallowed a shitload of helium before he recorded.
Its really just a minor complaint from me though, the video was still pretty great and I'm excited to see whats to come from their next videos.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 18, 2016, 06:00:57 pm
they're both OP as fuck, don't really care about the winner, i was just glad torian animated them beautifully <3
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 18, 2016, 06:52:03 pm
People kept saying "Bayonetta killed a god!" as their reasoning as to why she should have won.....
uhm, didn't Dante do the same thing? DMC1's Mundus might as well be the equivalent of a god. Or that giant godlike statue in DMC4 (Pretty sure it was called "Savior")? I really don't see how people doubted Dante would win.
Yeah Bayonetta is powerful too, but to Dante this was just another day at work for him.
Still that was one of the best DB animations I've ever seen from them, but my only complaint is their fandubbing is.....ehh......I mean I get it if they couldn't get Reuben Langdon for Dante and whoever Bayonetta's voice actress is, but I think they could've at least just used voice clips from the games. Whoever was voicing Dante in that video sounded like if Reuben Langdon swallowed a shitload of helium before he recorded.
Its really just a minor complaint from me though, the video was still pretty great and I'm excited to see whats to come from their next videos.

This literally cannot happen.  When an actor is contracted to do work for a specific character or company they can't do that character for another company.  This is why despite Chris Sabat voicing Snake for this show he couldn't voice Vegeta.  Unless Capcom specifically gave them the okay then they couldn't use Reuben even if he was willing to.

As for the god thing, this is the equation

Bayonetta kills a weakened Jubileus and neededed Jeanne's help.
Dante kills full powered Mundus who created an entire universe for the sole purpose of getting to fight Dante one day.

Bayonetta's feats are extremely exaggerated especially compared to Dante's.  People conveniently leave out that Jubileus was weakened and Bayonetta still couldn't finish the fight on her own. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on March 19, 2016, 12:19:30 am
ok, first my fanboy cry
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

now with that out of the way

the real problem was Bayo durability , she may be able to do things Dante can't but its not like she can tank what he can
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 19, 2016, 09:49:38 pm
New OMM
Heihachi vs Geese


Spoilers discussion
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on March 19, 2016, 09:55:46 pm
People kept saying "Bayonetta killed a god!" as their reasoning as to why she should have won.....
uhm, didn't Dante do the same thing? DMC1's Mundus might as well be the equivalent of a god. Or that giant godlike statue in DMC4 (Pretty sure it was called "Savior")? I really don't see how people doubted Dante would win.
Yeah Bayonetta is powerful too, but to Dante this was just another day at work for him.
Still that was one of the best DB animations I've ever seen from them, but my only complaint is their fandubbing is.....ehh......I mean I get it if they couldn't get Reuben Langdon for Dante and whoever Bayonetta's voice actress is, but I think they could've at least just used voice clips from the games. Whoever was voicing Dante in that video sounded like if Reuben Langdon swallowed a shitload of helium before he recorded.
Its really just a minor complaint from me though, the video was still pretty great and I'm excited to see whats to come from their next videos.

This literally cannot happen.  When an actor is contracted to do work for a specific character or company they can't do that character for another company.  This is why despite Chris Sabat voicing Snake for this show he couldn't voice Vegeta.  Unless Capcom specifically gave them the okay then they couldn't use Reuben even if he was willing to.

As for the god thing, this is the equation

Bayonetta kills a weakened Jubileus and neededed Jeanne's help.
Dante kills full powered Mundus who created an entire universe for the sole purpose of getting to fight Dante one day.

Bayonetta's feats are extremely exaggerated especially compared to Dante's.  People conveniently leave out that Jubileus was weakened and Bayonetta still couldn't finish the fight on her own.

Actually you missed the same thing for Dante:

While Dante did not fight a weakened Mundus, he did NOT fight Mundus without help:

- He had the complete Sparda Sword which gave him the powers of Sparda, you know, the guy who sealed Mundus
- At the final battle, Dante COULDN'T defeat the weakened as hell Mundus without Trish, the being Mundus created with his own powers, giving him a boost to reseal him again.

So yeah, Bayonetta needed help defeating a weakened Jubileus, but so did Dante on 2 occasions with Mundus.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on March 20, 2016, 12:21:02 am
New OMM
Heihachi vs Geese
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqNV_pcRCd0[/youtube]

Spoilers discussion
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

it seems I have to sub to that new channel to see OMM again, yet I don't want to end up watching everything else that i have no intrest in watching, guess I well have to just keep checking the forums here, also to answer your discussion

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

also SNK need to try crossing over with Namco
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on March 20, 2016, 04:00:20 am
People kept saying "Bayonetta killed a god!" as their reasoning as to why she should have won.....
uhm, didn't Dante do the same thing? DMC1's Mundus might as well be the equivalent of a god. Or that giant godlike statue in DMC4 (Pretty sure it was called "Savior")? I really don't see how people doubted Dante would win.
Yeah Bayonetta is powerful too, but to Dante this was just another day at work for him.
Still that was one of the best DB animations I've ever seen from them, but my only complaint is their fandubbing is.....ehh......I mean I get it if they couldn't get Reuben Langdon for Dante and whoever Bayonetta's voice actress is, but I think they could've at least just used voice clips from the games. Whoever was voicing Dante in that video sounded like if Reuben Langdon swallowed a shitload of helium before he recorded.
Its really just a minor complaint from me though, the video was still pretty great and I'm excited to see whats to come from their next videos.

This literally cannot happen.  When an actor is contracted to do work for a specific character or company they can't do that character for another company.  This is why despite Chris Sabat voicing Snake for this show he couldn't voice Vegeta.  Unless Capcom specifically gave them the okay then they couldn't use Reuben even if he was willing to.

As for the god thing, this is the equation

Bayonetta kills a weakened Jubileus and neededed Jeanne's help.
Dante kills full powered Mundus who created an entire universe for the sole purpose of getting to fight Dante one day.

Bayonetta's feats are extremely exaggerated especially compared to Dante's.  People conveniently leave out that Jubileus was weakened and Bayonetta still couldn't finish the fight on her own.

Actually you missed the same thing for Dante:

While Dante did not fight a weakened Mundus, he did NOT fight Mundus without help:

- He had the complete Sparda Sword which gave him the powers of Sparda, you know, the guy who sealed Mundus
- At the final battle, Dante COULDN'T defeat the weakened as hell Mundus without Trish, the being Mundus created with his own powers, giving him a boost to reseal him again.

So yeah, Bayonetta needed help defeating a weakened Jubileus, but so did Dante on 2 occasions with Mundus.

>He had the full Sparda sword

So?  He had a weapon.  If you're going to pull semantics like that then Bayo and Dante both go into every battle with tons of help because a bunch of their weapons are forged from demons (devil arms in Dante's case, Rodin made weapons in Bayo's case).

Also Trish did not help Dante defeat Mundus, she helped SEAL Mundus.  Dante had already beaten him when Trish came in.

On top of that, Dante defeated other full powered deities in the form of Argosax the Chaos and The Savior.  Either way you spin it he's still above Bayo in terms of feats. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 20, 2016, 06:34:54 am
New OMM
Heihachi vs Geese
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqNV_pcRCd0[/youtube]

Spoilers discussion
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

but....he trained a bear martial arts dude....and can attack through solid robot
also fights devil people for a living....heck even his devil zombie wife is asking akuma mattata to sort him out
geese lost to terry twice...is terry a devil mang?

No research after all though so i ain't really rooting for anyone in matches like these...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on March 20, 2016, 07:28:57 am
shit dawg akuma being forced to kill heihachi isn't a big deal, considering that he sucks at killing people :v
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on March 20, 2016, 09:59:12 am
People kept saying "Bayonetta killed a god!" as their reasoning as to why she should have won.....
uhm, didn't Dante do the same thing? DMC1's Mundus might as well be the equivalent of a god. Or that giant godlike statue in DMC4 (Pretty sure it was called "Savior")? I really don't see how people doubted Dante would win.
Yeah Bayonetta is powerful too, but to Dante this was just another day at work for him.
Still that was one of the best DB animations I've ever seen from them, but my only complaint is their fandubbing is.....ehh......I mean I get it if they couldn't get Reuben Langdon for Dante and whoever Bayonetta's voice actress is, but I think they could've at least just used voice clips from the games. Whoever was voicing Dante in that video sounded like if Reuben Langdon swallowed a shitload of helium before he recorded.
Its really just a minor complaint from me though, the video was still pretty great and I'm excited to see whats to come from their next videos.

This literally cannot happen.  When an actor is contracted to do work for a specific character or company they can't do that character for another company.  This is why despite Chris Sabat voicing Snake for this show he couldn't voice Vegeta.  Unless Capcom specifically gave them the okay then they couldn't use Reuben even if he was willing to.

As for the god thing, this is the equation

Bayonetta kills a weakened Jubileus and neededed Jeanne's help.
Dante kills full powered Mundus who created an entire universe for the sole purpose of getting to fight Dante one day.

Bayonetta's feats are extremely exaggerated especially compared to Dante's.  People conveniently leave out that Jubileus was weakened and Bayonetta still couldn't finish the fight on her own.

Actually you missed the same thing for Dante:

While Dante did not fight a weakened Mundus, he did NOT fight Mundus without help:

- He had the complete Sparda Sword which gave him the powers of Sparda, you know, the guy who sealed Mundus
- At the final battle, Dante COULDN'T defeat the weakened as hell Mundus without Trish, the being Mundus created with his own powers, giving him a boost to reseal him again.

So yeah, Bayonetta needed help defeating a weakened Jubileus, but so did Dante on 2 occasions with Mundus.

>He had the full Sparda sword

So?  He had a weapon.  If you're going to pull semantics like that then Bayo and Dante both go into every battle with tons of help because a bunch of their weapons are forged from demons (devil arms in Dante's case, Rodin made weapons in Bayo's case).

Also Trish did not help Dante defeat Mundus, she helped SEAL Mundus.  Dante had already beaten him when Trish came in.

On top of that, Dante defeated other full powered deities in the form of Argosax the Chaos and The Savior.  Either way you spin it he's still above Bayo in terms of feats.

I think you completely missed the point...

The Sparda Sword is never categorized as a typical sword to anyone whatsoever, it's blatantly stated to be a damn powerful sword that holds Sparda's own energies into that thing(that's why Dante's DT turns him INTO Sparda). Trying to pretend that it barely matters is just insane.

And yes, he DID need Trish's help to seal off Mundus after that because Dante damn sure couldn't kill him even after being weakened to shit, so what does that seriously tell you?

And are you telling me that the fucking SAVIOR is somewhat equivalent to Jubileus or Loptr? News flash dude, DANTE was supposed to be the core of The Savior and even after that nothing that it showed after absorbing Nero shows it not even being remotely close to Jubileus at half power or Loptr with both Eyes...not even close.
And Argosax has shown nothing but hype and words from a game that's hard to even say is canon anymore. And I know since I played DMC2 and paid real good attention to that game and Argosax nor the The Despair Embodied showed anything of being an equal of Mundus.

So no, I'm definitely not putting either The Savior nor Argosax or Despair Embodied on the same level as Weakened Jubileus or Loptr.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2016, 02:26:20 am

They sound so half-hearted in this analysis.  Or is it just me?

Spoiler: The opponent is... (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bluekuma on March 26, 2016, 09:41:04 pm
We all know that ganon is going to win this death battle
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 30, 2016, 03:37:51 pm
Ganon's setup is here

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 31, 2016, 01:13:01 am
I have to say, the more I anticipate this match, the more I'm reminded what a load of nonsense Peach vs Zelda was.  Now I'm doubly hoping for Ganon to come away with the easy win.

The Anakin parallel cut-off was funny though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: R565 on April 02, 2016, 12:25:49 am
The Perfect Matchup.


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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on April 02, 2016, 07:32:37 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 03, 2016, 12:03:36 am
Getting?

It's weird being used to how Balthazar intended those sprites and animations and see how they went with them instead.  Nice animation, but yeah sorry, the joke's been run in the ground.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on April 03, 2016, 01:29:01 am
And they're still using that SFA3 KO voice...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 03, 2016, 04:42:13 am
You know, its when you see both characters you know well enough about that you notice how Death Battle can be horrible wrong. Hell, how did Dante even kill Madama Butterfly? Gomorrah survived having his neck broken in the first game, because that was just a bunch of hair. Butterfly did not appear by herself even in the fight against Alraune in Inferno, her hair image just fades away right before the fight, why would she come physically against Dante? I also agree with Xhominid. That one should have ended at least in a draw.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on April 03, 2016, 03:47:06 pm
Its Punisher vs the Red Hood
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 04, 2016, 05:07:07 pm

Funny, I was just commenting how I wasn't a real fan of how OMM went with the HDBZ sprites, but that guy's take I like.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on April 05, 2016, 05:59:39 am
i dont like how there are no voices at all, it feels empty without em
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on April 06, 2016, 03:14:09 pm
DB's out.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 06, 2016, 03:36:53 pm
So can we just up and post sprite/3d crossover fights just because or is this exclusive to DB and OMM
that goku vs superman fight was brilliant
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on April 06, 2016, 03:51:17 pm
Not surprised at the outcome.  One-sided if you ask me.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on April 06, 2016, 04:15:31 pm
So can we just up and post sprite/3d crossover fights just because or is this exclusive to DB and OMM
that goku vs superman fight was brilliant

As long as they are well made and not just some cheap crap you find around youtube or Newgrounds then I see no reason why we can't post w/e.

Bowser vs Ganon
One of the more one-sided match ups around. Not that visually impressive either. yawn.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on April 06, 2016, 10:05:50 pm
You know, its when you see both characters you know well enough about that you notice how Death Battle can be horrible wrong. Hell, how did Dante even kill Madama Butterfly? Gomorrah survived having his neck broken in the first game, because that was just a bunch of hair. Butterfly did not appear by herself even in the fight against Alraune in Inferno, her hair image just fades away right before the fight, why would she come physically against Dante? I also agree with Xhominid. That one should have ended at least in a draw.

"How did a guy who makes a living killing apocalyptically powerful demons kill an apocalyptically powerful demon?"

Gee I dunno boss. 

I have to say, the more I anticipate this match, the more I'm reminded what a load of nonsense Peach vs Zelda was.  Now I'm doubly hoping for Ganon to come away with the easy win.

The Anakin parallel cut-off was funny though.

You must be pretty happy with the result : )
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Xhominid on April 06, 2016, 11:12:03 pm
Mundus as a whole is absolutely not the same as Jubileus nor Loptr with both eyes, not even freaking close.

And do not tell me that Dante has anything above typical regeneration since DB decided he somehow had Deadpool levels of regeneration despite him never even losing his head or even limbs and gaining new ones(hell in DMC3, it's shown he and Vergil can get TIRED if they are continuously hurt, which goes against the Deadpool levels of regen DB put up)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on April 06, 2016, 11:19:39 pm
how long are you two gonna argue about this? people have already moved on, even the creator is getting annoyed by the debates. so should you two.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on April 06, 2016, 11:30:41 pm
Its Punisher vs the Red Hood
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1qdhOSClt8[/youtube]
holy shit man, this battle was insane. i loved it.
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on April 06, 2016, 11:56:32 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_THlReidQ[/youtube]
Funny, I was just commenting how I wasn't a real fan of how OMM went with the HDBZ sprites, but that guy's take I like.
I'm pretty sure Seanaltly did not made the entire Superman sprite set.  Someone needs to tell the vid maker that.

Otherwise, I like how this turned out.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 07, 2016, 01:11:38 am
You must be pretty happy with the result : )
Very.

The animation could have been better, loved the tennis gag though, but yeah, this was a good Death Battle overall for me.

And yeah, as the guy who made the thread, I have no issue with posting whatever match-up fights.  Guess the thread might need a new name to not confuse people though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on April 07, 2016, 01:36:31 am
how long are you two gonna argue about this? people have already moved on, even the creator is getting annoyed by the debates. so should you two.
Yeah. Seriously. There's already a new video up. The time for arguing about Dante vs. Bayonetta is over; drop the subject now.

(also Bayonetta would totally win I declare it to be so with mod powers)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 07, 2016, 02:40:27 am
I always knew you'd turn to the Dark Side with your mod powers, Jmorphman.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on April 07, 2016, 04:54:10 am
The Perfect Matchup.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r4IlyZSG-Y[/youtube]
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...sonic won....
also i guess this makes goku stronger than all of the avengers, and somehow kirby, and he can beat star wars?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on April 07, 2016, 11:23:08 am
...sonic won....
also i guess this makes goku stronger than all of the avengers, and somehow kirby, and he can beat star wars?
check the date on that video.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 07, 2016, 11:31:30 pm

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Clank can control time fully

Jak can use only one move variation when in light jak mode

Also.... there's groovatron.(aside from clank and ratchet, literally makes everyone stop what they're doing to dance. Bosses and allies included)
Ratchet has instant win, it'll be as one sided as batman vs spiderman
pluuuuuuuuus
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I can't remember everything, but the match is so one sided i'd rather them not fight
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 07, 2016, 11:44:38 pm
If Ratchet's little buddy had become a time lord since Deadlocked I'd presume there were no bad guys ever present to worry about in future games.  I'm guessing it's some sort of gun that rewinds damage?  Or likewise only accessible in certain environments like his giant form.

Not an exact comparison but would you expect them to give a lame ending of just messing with time to pull a win for one side that seemed on the verge of defeat?

From a gameplay perspective yeah, you can do one thing at a time with Light Jak, but gameplay limitations and what the actual powers do are two different things.  I'm also presuming the force field is not literally able to stop any and everything, but I'm also expecting he can do that while healing and flying and shooting holy hand grenades nukes.

Looking at the wiki, this Groovatron looks more like a short gimmick than anything useful.  Jak'd grimace at disco music sucking, shoot it and move on.

I dunno, still sounds in Jak's favor, mostly do to Light Jak.  Does Ratchet even do defense?  I know he's not hurt from his own toys, was explained away as weapons scan their owners to know who they can't hurt or something silly like that in the earlier games, but beyond shinier colors of power armor he's pretty open to Jak's arsenal.

Oh, you edited your list.  Eh, that still seems like something you'd just dodge, block or fly around for most of it.  The replenishing ammo seems Ratchet's biggest asset of all of those.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 08, 2016, 12:20:11 am
He gets a Staff that controls time
Gameplay wise:
He can throw out projectiles that open up and make everything in a radius Super slow mo. throwing out a second one will cancel the first one making the second one
He can record himself doing things then go back in time to set it, the recording will basically be him doing said task exactly how he did it. (so he could record himself fighting, say daxter and then go back in time to set the clone recording to fight him, while the original can do something else......most likely sandwhich him or slow down daxter)
And melee attacks

Plot wise:
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He's become a mary sue


Again, gameplay wise for jak. he can't use weapons when in either eco form unless from glitch. When he heals time freezes completely and he uses all of the light eco energy he had. it's not something he can multitask with

its never used in plot


Groovatron literally makes you vulnerable if you're not ratchet and clank, Stopping all enemies and allies for a limited time while ratchet shoots/ takes cover. not something jak can power through


Black hole gun is an instant kill to all human sized enemies, he can use it 5 times. Shooting multiple black holes close together makes the black hole bigger. I can't remember what it did when fully leveled up


Jak has some things at his disposal but.... just like bayo vs dante, everything jak has, ratchet has as well/ more of

also zurkon family is indestructable, only way for them to go away is from them running out of ammo (THEM running out of ammo, not you running out. When they go you can just bring them out again. it's mad OP)

All and all, Ratchet gets a new bunch of weapons in each title with very very little being passed on over for upgrades and shit. I don't remember every gun and gimmick power they have along side the fully leveled up version that adds a new power/gimmick entirely but it's more than enough at disposal


Example, Ratchet has gravity boots( a step up from his magnet ones) that can counter the peacemaker's 1st upgrade.

Pluuuuuuuuuuuuus
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I'm not ripping on jak and daxter, i've played all of both franchises games aside from secret agent clank
but if we're counting dark daxter, thats all daxter has against clank


i'd much prefer him fight someone like samus or master chief since this is one sided to a whole new level


p.s. Jak isn't invincible anymore in his eco forms(it was removed after jak 2)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 08, 2016, 12:55:06 am
Uh...it's been a while since I've played Jak 3, but I've never glitched it and Light Jak plays just like regular Jak, punches, kicks and his swiss army gun all available.  Unless I've had a defective copy of the game and my whole life has been a lie.  Give or take.  Dark Jak was the one that he plays all different like, getting sharp nails to cuts things up and shooting dark eco and energy balls everywhere.

...Actually, wait, that reminds me, just exposing Ratchet to Dark Jak would be all sorts of toxic that he couldn't respond to.  Also a totally weak way to win, but gosh darn it, it should have worked with Lex Luthor and Iron Man, those Kryptonite Blasts were lethal to anyone not prepared!

But yeah, I can't complain if they make Ratchet win, but it just seems a simple case of evasion and defense helping Jak until he gets the hit he needs.  The only defense you said for Ratchet was from a gameplay perspective he takes more hits, but seeing Death Battle doesn't run on mechanics like that, thus no insta-death for Mario or Sonic or Mega Man, I don't know how much that'll play into it.

I mean, you mention Master Chief.  In game, you can have two plasma bolts for sheilds and a third to kill you on Legendary.  In canon, the whole plasma pistol and headshot thing?  Doesn't work.  Heck, you have things like this (https://youtu.be/2kPvBqSlIEc?t=825) not outright killing you instantly, splattering that head into red mist.  And that's the less impressive armor.  And Samus runs on a ridiculously high energy shielding setting in game, but the armor freaking explodes from a simple tap afterwords.

In spite of all this, while I believe Jak should win, I think they'll favor with Ratchet, what with the movie coming up and all.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 08, 2016, 04:30:49 pm
That last sentence threw me off. I don't want it to be like the yang v tifa where they set tifa up to fail because of the merging/tribute to what's his face (i don't remember his name sorry)

I don't know if ratchets been exposed to radiation, but general toxic environments have been covered more than enough in ratchet and clank games, be it just clank himself or ratchet with gas masks and what not

Dark jak Does have more ranged moves which end his form duration instantly like dark bomb and dark twist

I might have to relook into what light jak can actually do though since my memory is hazy.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on April 09, 2016, 09:45:18 pm
New OMM
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on April 09, 2016, 10:39:39 pm
I wonder if anyone pointed out that Natsu is from Fairy Tail and not Hunter X Hunter... I guess they stick by their motto "No Research"
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on April 09, 2016, 11:14:26 pm
No, there's only like half the comments on the video saying that...

Edit:
It looks like they fixed the title.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 10, 2016, 03:47:30 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfm_WUmUYAEp71G.jpg)
https://twitter.com/ScrewAttack/status/718816006433583104

Not that it's a surprise in the slightest to anyone, but confirmation is always nice.

Spoiler: Also, a totally legit spoiler of the rest of season 3 (click to see content)


Ratchet & Clank's trailer is out.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 15, 2016, 12:13:41 am

Not much news, but at the 17 mark they're showing off some previews of the next match's fight.

I guess Daxter's getting used for ammunition for the vacuum gun.  He always did want to go out in a blaze of glory.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on April 17, 2016, 06:17:42 pm
if you had Darth Maul fight any character who would you want him to be?
im asking because i've been thinking about this for a while and i couldn't really find a character suitable for him outside of his universe.
you would want him to fight a character who can resist the force and uses weapons, and not just any weapons. they need to be able to hold their own against lightsabers.
you wouldn't want him to be too strong and wind up with the same result as the darth vader fight. maul is easily killable, so you can't really go for kratos, dante or any other semi immortal character.


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on April 17, 2016, 06:20:19 pm
if you had Darth Maul fight any character who would you want him to be?
george lucas
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 17, 2016, 07:27:49 pm
The only real vs debate with Maul I've seen go around, beyond against other Siths, is with Spider-Man's Carnage.  And that's probably more because of their visual similarities, rather than characteristics or abilities or scope of power.

I didn't like Carnage all too much, so I never followed him closely.  The handful of comics I have that include him, which I think is just three, says he's Venom but smaller yet stronger.  Weak against loud noises, makes all his power go away and the suit will drip off the wearer, but it has to be really freaking loud.  Not something Maul'll pull out, unless you throw in a starship for him.

Plus Super Power Beat Down already did something close enough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF6XHxVlPpI), so Death Battle probably wouldn't bother.  I'm willing to bet Spider-Man has a better chance than Carnage anyways.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on April 17, 2016, 08:33:00 pm
other than making maul groan alot and... talk, that was a cool battle. not a big fan of how it ended, i wanted to see how both characters would've fared without additional powers. this alternative ending implied that if both maul and spidy got venom powers maul would win, so i guess he would win if they both didn't have it.
now that i think about the prefect character to face darth maul would have to be raiden from mgs. both are equally strong, he's swords are electrically charged so they could resist the lightsaber. damn i wanna see this happen.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 21, 2016, 12:46:34 am

Jak & Daxter's preview is out.

Well...normally, they don't give enough to work off in these previews to see how they're going to go about evaluating the characters, but here they focus way too much on the first game, not even mentioning the time traveling done to make his story make sense, that I'm left feeling that when they do the complete disclosure on Jak in the full thing they'll make it seem overbearingly obvious why he would win.

Which, yeah, I think he should, but they didn't even touch on the topic of his weapons.  Or Dark or Light eco, just the basic first game eco.  Which isn't even a real part of II and III.  Though I guess it returned somewhat in that handheld title, going by the clips.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 21, 2016, 06:10:45 pm
that preview was bad in general
same with the ratchet and clank one

for a gaming channel they seem reeeeeaaaally casual to playstation's IPs
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on April 23, 2016, 09:26:33 pm
New OMM
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on April 23, 2016, 09:37:41 pm
Oh wow, that was cool.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on April 23, 2016, 09:42:29 pm
The fight is cool and all but i'm really tired of match-ups that are common and predictable.
Why are we getting Marvel vs Capcom matches or JUMP matches using JUMP All-Star sprites?
Those already exist, I crave original fights like Izayoi vs DIO.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on April 23, 2016, 09:53:01 pm
The fight is cool and all but i'm really tired of match-ups that are common and predictable.
Why are we getting Marvel vs Capcom matches or JUMP matches using JUMP All-Star sprites?
Those already exist, I crave original fights like Izayoi vs DIO.

There's only 4 episodes out this season and they've only done that twice
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 24, 2016, 01:22:44 am
Oh wow, that was cool.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 24, 2016, 04:09:29 am
The fight is cool and all but i'm really tired of match-ups that are common and predictable.
Why are we getting Marvel vs Capcom matches or JUMP matches using JUMP All-Star sprites?
Those already exist, I crave original fights like Izayoi vs DIO.

wasn't sonic vs goku fitting?
heihachi vs geese not good enough?
ace vs n- ahhh well i hated that too

i miss the select screen since that had all the upcoming fights announced, now we are left guessing
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on April 24, 2016, 06:02:10 am
The fight is cool and all but i'm really tired of match-ups that are common and predictable.
Why are we getting Marvel vs Capcom matches or JUMP matches using JUMP All-Star sprites?
Those already exist, I crave original fights like Izayoi vs DIO.
wasn't sonic vs goku fitting?
heihachi vs geese not good enough?
ace vs n- ahhh well i hated that too
i miss the select screen since that had all the upcoming fights announced, now we are left guessing
Hey now, I don't wanna feel ungratefull or anything, it's just that when I comb my new subscriptions and see a video labeled Death Battle/OMM (I don't keep up with the previews) for one solid moment it captures my imagination again and then i'm disappointed to see that it's something that already has an official cross-over of some sort. I didn't think that was something people actually wasted their time on. And i'm not saying doing an already established cross-over can't be well done or anything i'm just saying it makes me anxious for what the next one will be instead.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 25, 2016, 05:10:58 am
so you're not feeling the upcoming DB then?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on April 27, 2016, 03:05:26 pm
It's out.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on April 27, 2016, 08:11:11 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on April 27, 2016, 08:13:00 pm
It's out.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/jKoeSRhF1nc[/youtube]
12:51 to skip the bullshit
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Mechy on April 27, 2016, 08:27:12 pm
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Yep.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on April 27, 2016, 09:02:29 pm
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oh and this battle was meh, the animation and the effects were not good, lol at that "3 dimensional" explosion.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 27, 2016, 09:15:45 pm
leonardo, batman, superman and goku have fought twice

Sonic is crazy op when looking at the feats he's done.....buuuuuuut i dont think they'll bring it up.
probably quicksilver or roadrunner

as for the DB itself
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 28, 2016, 02:10:46 am
Well meh, that was a disappointing ending.  But presumed it would happen, oh well, Jak still wins in my book.  Next fight.

I don't really care for a match with Flash.  Guessing it'll be Quicksilver, judging by they're going by more fan requested matches now.  Would prefer it would be someone on a more level playing field, but I can't say I'm really interested in it anyways.  Sonic would be more interesting if they went with the Archie one at least.

Actually, though it's not going to happen, I would be interested in seeing, instead of two fast guys, someone play the role of the immovable object versus Flash's unstoppable force.  Though who's supposedly that immune at such a cosmic level, I don't know.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 28, 2016, 03:56:13 am
Flash for the next fight?
Guy is even more broken than Superman (way faster than Superman too). This will be really one sided unless they pick a cosmic entity or uber powered being like Darkseid.
Flash outran Death itself. :|
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on April 28, 2016, 05:37:56 am
Yeah... Quicksilver's top speed is somewhere in the super-sonic range. The Flash regularly goes faster than light. :-\

Sonic doesn't seem much fairer either; I know he's done some crazy shit in the Archie Comics but the Flash is just nuts. Plus, the Flash already raced Sonic and won!!! (http://www.amazon.com/Flash-Human-Race-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401222390)
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/8/8b/Krakkl_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on April 28, 2016, 06:03:21 am
They should have used Flash for an April Fool's episode, go full in-depth and make it seem like a fair fight, just so they can end it right as soon as they start the fight.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on April 29, 2016, 09:52:35 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChOZo-KUcAASeqb.jpg:large)

OK... so... how is this even a fight?
Quicksilver stand no chance here. None, zero.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on April 29, 2016, 10:01:19 pm
And yet, Quicksilver somehow still ends up winning, because lol ScrewAttack
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on April 29, 2016, 10:33:39 pm
That ain't a battle

It's a goddamn curbstomp

And if they pull some bullshit like "lol no speedforce in the Marvel universe" they'd still be wrong because an amnesiac Barry wandered into the Marvel Universe still won a race and was crowned the fastest man in the galaxy there
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lichtbringer on April 29, 2016, 10:56:42 pm
That ain't a battle

It's a goddamn curbstomp

And if they pull some bullshit like "lol no speedforce in the Marvel universe" they'd still be wrong because an amnesiac Barry wandered into the Marvel Universe still won a race and was crowned the fastest man in the galaxy there

Ah yes as "Fastforward". ^^

Afaik Quicksilver can somtimes run at lightspeed now, but I don't know if this a permanent change or if he can do that sometimes or whatever, I don't read the comics anymore, but I think he still don't has a chance against a DC speedster.

But I'm afraid that the Death Battle Guys will try some Bullshit like Flash "Runs too fast" and becomes one with the speedforce or something like that.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 30, 2016, 12:25:27 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChOZo-KUcAASeqb.jpg:large)

Time to channel my inner Geese.... PREDICTABO!

No, seriously. Everyone knew this was the match up. The big question is how badly will Quicksilver be embarrassed by?
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 30, 2016, 12:40:07 am
He'll run into Quicksilver's spiky hair so fast it'll impale Flash, killing him.

Calling it.  Makes as much sense as anything else, really.
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Post by: Gennos on April 30, 2016, 12:45:52 am
i remember from one of the cartoons that the flash has a power that makes him pass through solid objects, which in turn kinda makes him invincible. so yeah i can see why this fight seems unfair. im not interested in either characters so i won't hold my breath.
wish they would do another fight with batman, and make him fight either daredevil or the punisher.
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Post by: rgveda99 on April 30, 2016, 02:55:35 am
I'm not updated but can Quicksilver still do his time travelling abilities after he lost his powers in House of M and gained his new powers like temporal dupes when he was exposed to terrigen mist?
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 01, 2016, 11:09:51 pm
rumor is they got a new animator to do this DB

better not be like 2 minutes long like a few others *coughsektorvsfulgorecough*
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 02, 2016, 07:28:15 am

So, like, there is a Super Power Beat Down thread, but it's been dead for over a year now, so I'm just going to leave this here, yeah?  Otherwise I'll just repost there if needed.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 02, 2016, 09:32:41 am
Do those polls even matter? This is like what... the 10th time or so ive seen it being a 51-49 split...
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 02, 2016, 05:35:02 pm
It was animated by the same guy who did the Dante vs Deadpool video earlier in this topic. He's certainly improved quite a bit. Either that or animating robots leaves more room for jittery movement then humans... but still, good battle over all and I like the outcome even if I felt Ironman was given a bit too much leeway.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 02, 2016, 09:36:42 pm
And if they pull some bullshit like "lol no speedforce in the Marvel universe" they'd still be wrong because an amnesiac Barry wandered into the Marvel Universe still won a race and was crowned the fastest man in the galaxy there
Ah yes as "Fastforward". ^^
Dunno what you guys are talking about, that wasn't Barry Allen, it was Buried Alien
(http://i.imgur.com/nqOczPG.jpg)
a completely unrelated speedster wearing a tattered red and yellow uniform who calls himself the fastest man alive. Not sure why you're getting confused!

I'm not updated but can Quicksilver still do his time travelling abilities after he lost his powers in House of M and gained his new powers like temporal dupes when he was exposed to terrigen mist?
Pretty sure he completely lost those abilities once he got his regular powers back, but even if they're included in this matchup, they wouldn't really be an challenge to the Flash.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on May 03, 2016, 09:09:25 pm
Not sure why you're getting confused!
It must be the color... it is always the color.... ;D
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 04, 2016, 04:13:28 pm
Flash preview out
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 05, 2016, 01:37:01 am
So the same channel that now releases OMM put this video out recently. Not sure what I think about it...
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 08, 2016, 06:03:14 pm
that was literally the fight scene for the cartoon fight club episode

kinda shitty we didn't get a OMM this week though
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 11, 2016, 03:59:32 pm
Quicksilver
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 11, 2016, 04:27:24 pm
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That serves no purpose in a death battle. Why would they bring up something not related to his abilities.

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Post by: Gennos on May 11, 2016, 04:40:28 pm
off course it does. incest gives you super powers, everyone knows that.
lighten up news dude.
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Post by: Zemilia on May 14, 2016, 03:26:52 pm
New OMM
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 14, 2016, 08:11:07 pm
one of those matchups where i just dont care for either side...
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Post by: Foobs on May 14, 2016, 09:22:22 pm
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That serves no purpose in a death battle. Why would they bring up something not related to his abilities.
Have you seen Guts vs Nightmare?
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Though that kinda had to do with one of his skills.
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Post by: Darkflare on May 18, 2016, 08:29:05 pm


Act surprised

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 18, 2016, 10:32:01 pm
That was surprisingly well animated and enjoyable, knowing the victor or not.  I still enjoy Astro Boy vs Mega Man better for 2D, but this is up there with it.  Just wish they did something about Flash's eyes.  The color kept on changing back and forth.

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Post by: AlexSin on May 18, 2016, 10:42:01 pm
10:44 of the video to get to the battle.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 19, 2016, 12:09:16 am
Total shocker... :lol:

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Post by: Gennos on May 19, 2016, 12:10:26 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 19, 2016, 12:18:00 am
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Post by: Gennos on May 19, 2016, 12:33:08 am
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Post by: Zo_Warudo on May 19, 2016, 12:49:14 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 19, 2016, 01:29:52 am
I'm fairly certain neither Transformers nor My Little Pony are unknowns.  Nor the sole factor of face recognition to be the driving factor of a character showing, at least for both contestants.  And I'm fairly sure we all know one of them.  That said...

At this point, it's more interesting to discuss possible matches personally.

Spoiler: And waste time making these posters (click to see content)
I've suggested some odd characters before, so hey, I could be completely off base and they have someone completely different in mind for the other challenger.
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Post by: Kirishima on May 19, 2016, 02:48:39 am
Great to see the custom Flash sprites from Mugen getting the limelight here.  The battle itself was very well put together.

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 19, 2016, 11:59:07 am
Nice first time DB from kixx6
i like how
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As for next time of death battle
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Post by: major jon on May 20, 2016, 12:37:27 am
Surprised no one suggested Joker vs Deadpool
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 20, 2016, 02:48:26 am
Because one of them has been used already before.


And the relation between Joker and Deadpool is...?  Plus the mis-match in power, Joker has no chance of winning.

That said, after much thinking on it, I believe I have the perfect match up to keep things fair for our next combatant.
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Alright, I guess no need for spoilers, Screw Attack went and posted who the next fight will be.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci2IMKnVAAIlS0l.jpg:large)
Yay, I was right.
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Post by: Gennos on May 20, 2016, 03:56:06 am
show off >:(
this should be an interesting fight tho, both are in the same level so we won't witness a curbstomp like this last one.
and as far as i know there are no sprites for sweat tooth so we are in for a 3D spectacle :D
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Post by: Kirishima on May 20, 2016, 04:10:53 am
Will Joker pick up the ice cream cone and pay for it?
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 20, 2016, 04:37:41 am
My guess, one of them is probably going to wish Calypso to make them the best clown ever, which results in them fighting to the death over it.

I'm going to have to go for Needles in this case.  Joker has enough tricks and traps to keep him alive up close and personal so Needles doesn't just cleave his head off, but not much going for him to then kill him.  And outside close range, Joker has robots small and large in BTAS, but not quite in the same scope the Sweet Tooth truck and mech cover in destruction.

Also it'll just be funny for Batman to get revenge on Sweet Tooth for killing Joker in the credits.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 20, 2016, 10:12:45 am
show off >:(
this should be an interesting fight tho, both are in the same level so we won't witness a curbstomp like this last one.
and as far as i know there are no sprites for sweat tooth so we are in for a 3D spectacle :D

HE HAS A MECH
MECH

A FUCKING DEATH MACHINE ON LEGS
not only is his car a fucking death machine
and not only did he wipe out an intire hospital single handedly
but literally with no goons on jokers side
its a curbstomp

think jak vs ratchet again....
you think laughing gas is gonna do much to a man with a MECH
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 20, 2016, 05:31:12 pm
But, people have seen Sweet Tooth outside of the mech thanks to PSASBR. He used a lot of the same weapons the Joker has used over the years..
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Post by: Beta158 on May 21, 2016, 02:20:20 pm
Well look at this. This should be an interesting death battle.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 21, 2016, 10:16:57 pm

week early?
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Post by: Lichtbringer on May 22, 2016, 11:36:03 am
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 22, 2016, 05:13:18 pm
i hope you guys like arcade mode
cuz saitama vs superman is out


Though its fan vote based, these fights usually come with an alt ending where the loser wins

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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 23, 2016, 02:06:22 am
Strange that he is using a reskinned Akira model for Ryu.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2016, 06:40:05 am
Eh.  The animation really wasn't all that spectacular, more Saitama nonsense for jokes, more Superman the ass a la Screw Attack, so kinda what I was expecting to come out of it.  I'm not sure quoting and doing scenes from Man of Steel or Batman V Superman are supposed to be good or bad for Supes either.  Not exactly thrilled about Ryu and Jin either, but the preview looked nice at least.

That Superman model is really off looking.  And I think it's the one Screw Attack used in their second video too.  What's it from anyways?
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 23, 2016, 08:47:07 am
Its the New 52 skin from Injustice
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Post by: D.R.B on May 23, 2016, 09:38:02 pm
[youtube]zt9KMvI-kQs[/youtube]

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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 23, 2016, 11:59:36 pm
As much as  I hate Superman for being a generally boring character, I hate Saitama's meme status even more. Can it just die already? He couldn't even beat Kenshiro in an actual fight.

Oh and as far as the result of the match goes...
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Post by: Duos.act on May 24, 2016, 12:38:45 am
There's no meme to it.  Read One Punch Man.  Saitama is genuinely that strong.  His entire character is a joke on characters like Superman or ridiculously strong comic book heroes and how doing power battles with them is pointless. 
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Post by: Foobs on May 24, 2016, 01:22:01 am
As much as  I hate Superman for being a generally boring character, I hate Saitama's meme status even more. Can it just die already? He couldn't even beat Kenshiro in an actual fight.

Oh and as far as the result of the match goes...
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Caped Baldy routinely wipes the floor with the strongest martial artists of his world. Some of those 'losers' are mountain crushing behemoths who move faster than sound and are several times stronger than Kenshiro.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 24, 2016, 02:39:22 am
Now that it's been proven that the One Punch Man can beat Superman... is there anyone that could even stand up to this guy? Someone out there has to be able to take more then one punch from this guy, right?
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 24, 2016, 11:11:42 am
power wise? maybe one dude? but hes also animu

technical wise, like a bajillion people

he can't breathe in space
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 24, 2016, 01:04:48 pm
Now that it's been proven that the One Punch Man can beat Superman... is there anyone that could even stand up to this guy? Someone out there has to be able to take more then one punch from this guy, right?
Like I said: We need someone who can absorb the damage of Saitama's punches and reflect it back to Saitama. It's that easy.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 24, 2016, 04:13:19 pm
As much as  I hate Superman for being a generally boring character, I hate Saitama's meme status even more. Can it just die already? He couldn't even beat Kenshiro in an actual fight.
Oh and as far as the result of the match goes...
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Caped Baldy routinely wipes the floor with the strongest martial artists of his world. Some of those 'losers' are mountain crushing behemoths who move faster than sound and are several times stronger than Kenshiro.

That's the thing. Kenshiro and Hokuto Shin-Ken itself are the antithesis to raw strength. Kenshiro isn't even the strongest of the Hokuto Brothers and yet he was chosen as the successor. Except for the fact that Kenshiro can  get cut like the rest of us and can drown like a normal person (latter is filler) he only has 2 "weaknesses"

1) If you know a Martial Art he can't tank you because...
2) Heightened mental/spiritual strength forms a "touki" which is more or less HNK's version of a Power Level. If you do not have a Touki Kenshiro is INVINCIBLE to you. This has never once in the series been contradicted except for the first two points I mentioned. So for Example; Jotaro himself may or may not being able to actually hurt Kenshiro but since Star Platinum is a manifestation of Jotaro's spirit, it could. ect.

But none of that matters because Kenshiro would still lose to Saitama for one simple reason. Kenshiro never goes into a fight at 100%. He always goes in with an average persons's strength/durability of 10% (HNK logic) and lets his foes get a few good hits in before he gets serious.
Saitama would just 1-punch him then and there.
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Post by: Xhominid on May 24, 2016, 05:37:27 pm
There's no meme to it.  Read One Punch Man.  Saitama is genuinely that strong.  His entire character is a joke on characters like Superman or ridiculously strong comic book heroes and how doing power battles with them is pointless.

Actually, it is a meme...and a horribly done one but only in the context of vs. fights that uses what the character has done currently, not what can be guessed at.

Narutoforums, for example, despises Saitama and everything he stands for when used in VS. environments because people try and use how powerful he COULD BE rather than what he has shown.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 25, 2016, 04:09:25 pm
Joker preview

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Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on May 25, 2016, 05:57:54 pm
power wise? maybe one dude? but hes also animu

technical wise, like a bajillion people

he can't breathe in space

Unless i missed some thing that changed recently i think Saitama is able to breathe in space. We would need more scenes to know honestly. The way i took the scene of him on the moon is that he doesnt need oxygen, hell in the scene he even has his mouth open and doesn't hold his nose until he realizes he is in space. If you know the character i think this is more out of his lack of awareness then anything. He doesn't even understand how space works and that he was already sitting there mouth wide open. I say it's open to debate.

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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 31, 2016, 04:15:19 pm
Needles Kane preview
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Post by: Zemilia on June 02, 2016, 03:26:49 pm
DBX Promo


Animation's looking a lot better than the last time it premiered.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2016, 03:31:05 pm
What does Screwattack have against the Fetts?  Jango doesn't stand a remote chance against Master Chief.

King Dedede beating Amy sounds like fun though.
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Post by: hatter on June 02, 2016, 03:42:43 pm
Hm. Interesting.

I def wanna the Spider Man/Mikasa battles, any ideas on who they would possibly battle?
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2016, 03:47:27 pm
Mikasa's the Titan girl, right?  Wouldn't they be fighting each other?  Similar ability to get around the city with some form of grapple hook.

Oh that and the slow-mo of Spider-Man looks like he's in the medieval city from her show anyways, that too.
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Post by: hatter on June 02, 2016, 03:53:58 pm
Oh that and the slow-mo of Spider-Man looks like he's in the medieval city from her show anyways, that too.

You know now that I look at it, it does look like Spider Man was swinging in that AoT city.

That wouldn't be a bad idea for a battle, would be better than the Spider Man vs Batman DB.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 02, 2016, 04:02:28 pm
looks like a lot of matchups since the dante bayo fight
i wonder who they got for animators

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Post by: DelusionTrim on June 02, 2016, 04:47:52 pm
I don't even understand the point of discussing who could take on Saitama... he's just a joke character and the entre point of his role is to literally be the most OP person there is.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2016, 04:50:33 pm
Mostly to find what flaws the creator overlooked.  Plus no one really enjoys their favorite being called second place to a joke.
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Post by: Gennos on June 02, 2016, 06:15:14 pm
since when did boba fitt started using a light saber?
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2016, 06:20:04 pm
Jango.  But yeah though, Boba did keep some as trophies, I remember that in some comics, but Jango?  Not in the movies or what I've read.

He did have a BFG9000 once though.  Non-canon, but so is everything of importance to either Fett anyways.  Heck, they're having Jango fight John on the Death Star, long after he's dead.
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Post by: Gennos on June 02, 2016, 06:39:53 pm
jango? the sucky assassin from the prequels who hired another assassin to kill padme with a centipede?
yeah im sure he has a chance against master chief.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2016, 06:48:26 pm
That or they're going to find some reason to explain why this is Boba in Jango's armor before it gets worn and green before Chief kills him.

Screw Attack, you picked the wrong half of the Samus vs Fett match to fight Chief.

You know you want to do your own take on this.  You already based the Samus fight on Monty, and gave Yang that win.
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Post by: lui on June 02, 2016, 07:18:30 pm
jango? the sucky assassin from the prequels who hired another assassin to kill padme with a centipede?
yeah im sure he has a chance against master chief.

theyre probably gonna look at the (now non-canon) comics and his videogame to do him justice, those did a way better job of establishing jango as a badass bounty hunter more than the movies ever did.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 03, 2016, 02:07:56 pm
are you guys still looking for reasoning in a no research series?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 03, 2016, 04:15:42 pm
are you guys still looking for reasoning in a no research series?

I thought it was a part of the fun?
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Post by: Gennos on June 03, 2016, 10:13:53 pm
are you guys still looking for reasoning in a no research series?
no research =/= no logical reasoning.
jango has absolutely no chance of winning against the one man army master cheif. if they do somehow make him win, then nobody is gonna take them seriously or watch their show.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 03, 2016, 11:46:28 pm
To be fair, Death Battle does that plenty too, but we still watch it.  Just hope for better down the line.

Speaking of one man army, Chief weighs about as much.  Can Jango even move him?  I mean, the guy's strong for a regular human, but he's not super strong, right?  I don't recall that ever being a feature of his.  Then again, Death Battle says Boba Fett is stronger than Samus, and I recall her either lifting a large starship up with her one hand or planting herself and holding one trying to flee in place in one of the mangas out there, so maybe I missed that part of Star Wars.
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Post by: Zemilia on June 04, 2016, 07:53:22 pm
New OMM.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on June 04, 2016, 09:12:32 pm
That was an amusing finish.
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Post by: RoySquadRocks on June 06, 2016, 10:47:23 pm
AAAHH!!! YESYESYYES! My two favorite characters are duking it out! This is the best fight ever!
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Post by: Beta158 on June 06, 2016, 11:43:21 pm
Enjoy your buffet Kirby. You earned it.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 08, 2016, 03:44:53 pm
It's out.

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Post by: Kirishima on June 08, 2016, 07:28:37 pm
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Post by: Gennos on June 08, 2016, 10:28:39 pm
mediocre battle. i wanted them to fight on foot, and not in a stupid car chase. it wasn't well choreographed imo. it was brief, and it felt... cliched and generic.
they should've either made it a full car combat fight or an on foot fight.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 08, 2016, 11:58:05 pm
"Next time on Death Battle!"

Injustice 2 trailer.

Gee, I wonder how they came to their conclusion.  Meh, really don't agree with the winner, fight was ok at least.

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Post by: major jon on June 09, 2016, 06:36:45 am
I'm I the only one who enjoyed the new DB. 
                                      Leaked Death Battle: Mewtwo vs vegeta   
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Post by: Duos.act on June 09, 2016, 07:07:19 am
"Next time on Death Battle!"

Injustice 2 trailer.

Gee, I wonder how they came to their conclusion.  Meh, really don't agree with the winner, fight was ok at least.

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Post by: Long John Killer on June 09, 2016, 07:35:23 am
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 09, 2016, 12:09:07 pm
looking at the fight, you know torrians being worked to death since he's also got DBX to work on

just a filler DB it seems

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Post by: Duos.act on June 10, 2016, 03:45:45 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 11, 2016, 01:27:26 am
Well, spoiler's out.  Screw Attack's tweeted the next fight. (https://twitter.com/ScrewAttack/status/741399716513107968)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckn7HFaWUAAwPrN.jpg:large)

You know, Shadow's not that bad a guy that you need to kill him off twice.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 11, 2016, 01:32:08 am
Shadow again ? for real SA? if you want to use a Sonic character so badly why not Silver ? at the very least he does have powers similar  to Mewtwo
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Post by: Gennos on June 11, 2016, 01:36:15 am
i wanna see him get killed a 1000 times for the cringy things he keeps saying. this stands out as the worst (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veSFrIVKXOY).
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 11, 2016, 01:36:54 am
I get the theme, outcast genetic experiments of legendary creatures from their worlds that command ridiculous power.  Though it's way more in Mewtwo's favor, being part Mew he has command over every power of every Pokémon ever.  Shadow is fast?  Use Dialga's or Celibi's control over time.  Or just Trick Room him.  Shadow's immune to damage with Super Shadow?  Use Protect and Detect.

But still, it's not a complete mis-match, Shadow has some ability and skill, should be interesting enough.  Though yeah, I would have picked someone else, or at least Silver over Shadow if you needed a Sonic character.

...I like Shadow, please don't kill me.
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Post by: Kirishima on June 11, 2016, 02:10:02 am
I'm pretty sure Mewtwo will not have access to any move that isn't part of his level up set.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 11, 2016, 02:11:53 am
Well that would be boring.  And a waste of going into the lore of the character.  Presumably, they'll be merging all versions of Mewtwo into one, and I want to see Yami Yugi Mewtwo beat up someone with a giant spoon!
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Post by: Duos.act on June 11, 2016, 08:40:22 am
Considering Shadow couldn't even beat Vegeta I don't see how he's going to take Mewtwo unless one of their new researchers is Chris Chan levels of Sonic fanboy and knows some obscure fact from the comics that lets him win. 

Shadow again ? for real SA? if you want to use a Sonic character so badly why not Silver ? at the very least he does have powers similar  to Mewtwo

They went with Shadow because he has the same backstory as Mewtwo and because he has a similar character.  There's also the fact that they're both sex symbols to edgy 14 year old furries but I doubt that was part of the equation.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 11, 2016, 02:02:11 pm
I get the theme, outcast genetic experiments of legendary creatures from their worlds that command ridiculous power.  Though it's way more in Mewtwo's favor, being part Mew he has command over every power of every Pokémon ever.  Shadow is fast?  Use Dialga's or Celibi's control over time.  Or just Trick Room him.  Shadow's immune to damage with Super Shadow?  Use Protect and Detect.

But still, it's not a complete mis-match, Shadow has some ability and skill, should be interesting enough.  Though yeah, I would have picked someone else, or at least Silver over Shadow if you needed a Sonic character.

...I like Shadow, please don't kill me.

speed, stregnth, chaos control to freeze time n shit, along with....well....guns and his chaos blast n homing shit

doubt there'll be outside help and every pokemon available for this match up

Though unlike goku, shadow's not really done much since his last death battle. so he's pretty much gonna do the same things again unless they pull a dick move and strip him of super shadow
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 11, 2016, 02:23:13 pm
I get the theme, outcast genetic experiments of legendary creatures from their worlds that command ridiculous power.  Though it's way more in Mewtwo's favor, being part Mew he has command over every power of every Pokémon ever.  Shadow is fast?  Use Dialga's or Celibi's control over time.  Or just Trick Room him.  Shadow's immune to damage with Super Shadow?  Use Protect and Detect.

But still, it's not a complete mis-match, Shadow has some ability and skill, should be interesting enough.  Though yeah, I would have picked someone else, or at least Silver over Shadow if you needed a Sonic character.

...I like Shadow, please don't kill me.

speed, stregnth, chaos control to freeze time n shit, along with....well....guns and his chaos blast n homing shit

doubt there'll be outside help and every pokemon available for this match up

Though unlike goku, shadow's not really done much since his last death battle. so he's pretty much gonna do the same things again unless they pull a dick move and strip him of super shadow

Let's not underestimate Shadow here exactly. Depending on which interpretation of the 3D Sonic games we're going with here, he survived atmospheric re-entry while partially drained of his "Super" form at the end of Adventure 2.

Or it was his clone? His Cyborg clone?
...man the Sonic games are confusing sometimes.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 11, 2016, 10:39:58 pm
A new animator steps on to the scene. Its not actually DB though, animation is a bit stiff as well... watchable though
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 12, 2016, 12:00:30 am
speed, stregnth, chaos control to freeze time n shit, along with....well....guns and his chaos blast n homing shit

doubt there'll be outside help and every pokemon available for this match up
Huh?  No, I don't mean Mewtwo summons every pokemon ever.  Mewtwo is mainly made up of Mew's DNA, and Mew contains the DNA of every pokemon.  As Mew can use any and every move available there is, it is within reason that Mewtwo can do so as well.  It's not the case in the game that he can learn anything, as he would be even more broken to hell than he already was in the first generation, but it is implied story-wise he can do whatever he pleases.

Shadow's guns, while not exactly a threat to Mewtwo, would be an unusual mix-up to throw at him, as it's just not something he'd run into in the Pokémon world, but his speed can be countered either with Mewtwo's own speed, teleportation or manipulation against Shadow, like the previously mentioned Trick Room, which makes the slower one in it faster that their opponent and vice versa.

Mewtwo's strength, well...presuming Pokken's getting thrown in and Shadow Mewtwo's pretty much just Mewtwo but eeeeeevil, then this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c_FAY0yVlg) is something he can just pull out for fun.  Presuming otherwise, he still has all the destructive force of anything mentioned in the Pokedex.  Fire can melt anything on Earth?  Check.  Hyper Beams to level cities?  Good to go. 

I mean....yeah, it's going to be a fun match, but unless they do want to be super strict to just what he's been shown doing rather than what's implied he can do, there doesn't seem to be squat Shadow has Mewtwo doesn't do better or can counter.
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Post by: Duos.act on June 12, 2016, 03:14:30 am
On second thought...

Shadow moves at about the same speed as Sonic, aka fast as fuck.
Shadow can stop time and slow it down, which only makes his speed that much more of a problem.
Shadow can breathe in space for some reason.

I don't understand how he lost to Vegeta but I sure don't know how he can lose to Mewtwo.  All he needs is chaos emeralds and Edgehog has got this shit in the bag.
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Post by: Kirishima on June 12, 2016, 03:44:35 am
If he's against anime Mewtwo, Shadow defiantly got this.  Regular game Mewtwo is even better. 

If Mewtwo gets the Shadow Stone (if Pokken feats are allowed, which then Shadow's going against this Mewtwo), it's a different story since he can nuke a continent from space (even breathe in it), have access to a wide array of elemental moves not restricted to traditional Mewtwo level-ups, and the ability to Mega-evolve without a trainer or Mega Stone to even do all these things (same for anime Mewtwo but he or she not as strong as Shadow Mewtwo).  And there doesn't seem to be a limit to how long it can hold in Mega Evolution for this specific Mewtwo.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 12, 2016, 03:47:20 am
Using Gen 1 as a base, the only moves Mewtwo can't learn (when hacking every single move in the game into being a TM) are the literally impossible like Horn Drill, Softboiled ect. He can use pretty much anything that matters.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 12, 2016, 03:52:57 am
I'm not of the mindset Shadow's speed, time powers or space fairing abilities will be an issue for Mewtwo, but something I did forget that's just straight Mewtwo and never mind all the possible but not looked into other pokemon abilities he might have, he's psychic.  Can't he just mind wipe Shadow and call it a day?  Sure had no issue in the movie making Nurse Joy into a puppet.
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Post by: Kirishima on June 12, 2016, 03:57:34 am
These are my thoughts.

In-game Mewtwo:  Too restricted.  Needs a trainer to give him Tutor/TM moves so unless he's allowed a Trainer in his duel, don't count on it.
Anime Mewtwo:  Still restricted, but not something to be taken lightly, especially "Female" Mewtwo with better feats. (I am going to admit this, I think I am missing something or more from both Mewtwos so forgive me)
Pokken Mewtwo:  Gets a whole bunch of moves beyond Psychic class, even deadly with Shadow Stone and Mega Evolution.

Both Anime ("Female" not Dan Green version) and Pokken Mewtwo can Mega Evolve without a Trainer or a Mega Stone while the in-game Mewtwo needs both.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 12, 2016, 04:01:16 am
I doubt it's going to be any just one, it's going to be a fusion of all interpretations of Mewtwo as with other characters shown through multi media in past Death Battles.  So you got manga Mewtwo with his staff of smiting breakfast who can't stay out of his poke ball for more than a few minutes or he and Blane both die to somehow throw into that mix too.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 12, 2016, 05:35:28 pm
DBX thing is out.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 15, 2016, 03:23:33 pm
,,,,
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 16, 2016, 11:14:08 pm
Man, that doesn't tell us anything on what powers they plan on using other than the most basic knowledge of him.  Though they do seem to plan on using the first movie Mewtwo as the basis, so yay for picking the favorite.
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Post by: Duos.act on June 16, 2016, 11:17:30 pm
The first movie Mewtwo is the one that's most in line with the game origin, and was used in most of the spinoffs.  I imagine that's why.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2016, 09:34:34 am

New One Minute Melee.

Dunno why they went for more DBZ versus Sonic, it's clearly no use.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 20, 2016, 07:48:07 pm
silvers based off trunks.....like a LOT

this fight in general was pretty well done but for some reason i can see DBX doing this matchup as well
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 20, 2016, 08:19:51 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpeYA8W6VpM[/youtube]
New One Minute Melee.

Dunno why they went for more DBZ versus Sonic, it's clearly no use.
I see what you did there.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 22, 2016, 08:11:48 pm
Shadow Returns to DEATH BATTLE! Again ! -_-

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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 26, 2016, 04:07:51 pm
I know i've been asking for these guys to do match ups that don't have official cross-overs (like the JUMP character fights that even use sprites from the exact game they crossed over in like J-Stars) but this is...

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 26, 2016, 11:27:11 pm
a gruesome way to go imo
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

oh and i like this schedule on how we get a omm on week and a dbx the next
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 26, 2016, 11:35:21 pm
I'm willing to cut whoever animates DBX some slack, Death Battle didn't get great over night but these last two videos have been pretty crappy over-all :/
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Post by: Kirishima on June 26, 2016, 11:54:15 pm
Any reason to why Kishio and Peg aren't credited for their sprites used?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 27, 2016, 12:00:23 am
Any reason to why Kishio and Peg aren't credited for their sprites used?

No research?
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 27, 2016, 12:04:28 am
I don't know why I was disappointed at Ronald McDonald of all people not doing much of anything in a DBX episode, but I was.  Gave the Colonel all the action on that one.

So not much longer until Mewtwo vs Shadow.  My mind's still set that if they're going by Pokedex entries and Mewtwo having Mew's genes, thus the powers of every Pokémon ever, this is as bad for Shadow as Quicksilver had against Flash.  Really depends how much info they choose to go with and what to withhold Mewtwo from doing, given how much of his power is hypothetical if logical, rather than just fact.  Losing all that and just going straight with what he's been shown to do, flying at fairly regular speeds, Shadow Ball, some elemental punches, teleporting and mind wiping....it's still a possibility for Mewtwo to just wipe the guy's mind blank, but I'm willing to bet that's not flashy enough and there's some counter to that SOMEHWERE in all those Archie comics.

Unless Shadow's confined to his game-only skills as well, then I guess Mewtwo has it regardless?  Any other opinions or facts I'm missing out on before the next episode?
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Post by: Kirishima on June 27, 2016, 12:04:50 am
Any reason to why Kishio and Peg aren't credited for their sprites used?

No research?
OMM does not do research yet custom sprite work is credited (yet strangely N64Mario was credited for Master Hand sprites at one point)
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 27, 2016, 10:18:46 pm
, but I'm willing to bet that's not flashy enough and there's some counter to that SOMEHWERE in all those Archie comics.

Unless Shadow's confined to his game-only skills as well, then I guess Mewtwo has it regardless?  Any other opinions or facts I'm missing out on before the next episode?
i dont like how they use the archie comics for some characters, power ups for other characters, and just base forms for the rest

its like they deliberately choose who they want to win
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 27, 2016, 11:53:16 pm
Oh, I'm sure there's some degree of that going on in the background too.  You don't have everyone but one on their research boards disagree with Yang beating Tifa, rather the opposite wins so hard it's not funny, and that one's reasoning differing than the video's, without some form of personal preference.  There's also just not covering all information, just enough from both sides to make it seem an interesting fight with reasoning they find solid up to that point, a la Wonder Woman and Rogue where you could just have Wonder Woman atomize Rogue with a punch.  And don't get started all the retorts on Goku vs Superman.

I just like to discuss it with anyone with their own take.  Sometimes it leads to proving Death Battle right out wrong.  Or we might all come to the same conclusion.

Though right now I can't take Shadow seriously at all thanks to Joel over at Vinesauce with his Sonic 25th anniversary stream.  Remember, guns can't hurt cartoons. (https://youtu.be/A2gNqKZzqsU?t=5881)


Shadow Mewtwo at 30 seconds in?
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Post by: D.R.B on July 02, 2016, 01:50:25 am
YT video
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Post by: Prime SC on July 02, 2016, 02:18:06 am
That one was super weak
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Post by: Bob8644 on July 02, 2016, 02:52:49 am
Well that was one sided.

And OH BOY, I know next to NOTHING about RvB for this next battle. Looks like I'll have to catch up on 14 SEASONS

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post by: Kirishima on July 02, 2016, 03:24:44 am
So, uh, any RvB viewers here?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 02, 2016, 03:27:46 am
I checked out somewhere in the Halo 3 graphics phase

It felt like it was starting to get up its own ass with its lore

I am given to understand that did not change and instead got worse
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 02, 2016, 03:59:37 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

also wtf is with the next time on DB? and why do we have to wait over 3 weeks for it?
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2016, 05:07:07 am
I watch RvB.  The Meta wins.



All you really need to know for Meta.   But I suppose beyond that, if I recall correctly he also has the superior A.I. in that his whole purpose of being now in life is to kill others with A.I.s  and add them to his.  So while very primal in his killing tendencies, he's really brilliant going about it.

...If I recall correctly, that is, I don't follow the show religiously.  That said...


You completely and totally picked the wrong gal for Death Battle if you're touching Red vs Blue, Screwattack.  How do you just jump over Agent Texas?  She needs to kill Yang.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Bob8644 on July 02, 2016, 05:26:08 am
Hey, John: Quick question.

How many of the seasons in RvB are " canon "? I'm thinking of actually watching it but there's so many seasons i just
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2016, 05:40:59 am
Well, barring this latest season, they're all kinda "canon", just different arcs.  Season 9 though, the Halo Reach one, was pretty much all just a dream sequence.  Well, virtual reality.  Events take place that happen outside of what you're watching, you'll get flashbacks in the next season it's all just parodying themselves back in the original first 5 seasons of the Blood Gulch Chronicles, how the one stuck in the dream is trying to get back to the super serious stuff happening, while everyone else is just goofing off in Blood Gulch like Red vs Blue started as.

I can't speak too much on the seasons starting with Halo 4 because one, I really don't like getting involved with 343 things when if comes to Halo, and two seasons 1-10 are separated into their own arcs but are all part of one overlapping story about the Freelancers.  Starting at 11, sorta like Halo 4, they just kinda start this whole new story of landing on a new planet in civil war or something.  I did not care for it.

This latest season has just been for fun though, filling in some details and character backgrounds previously not touched but mostly just for laughs at its utter nonsense, like the earlier seasons.

If you want to watch the series and want my recommendation, I suggest just go for season 1-10.  It's probably around what, 8 hours?  Spread it over the three weeks coming.  See from then if you want to follow the 343-backed new story then.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on July 02, 2016, 06:10:00 am
Great. Well I know which death battle to skip then.

Shadow vs Mewtwo had the potential to be something great. That fight sucked.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2016, 06:39:00 am
Hey, if nothing else you know it'll be an over the top 3D animated fight that should be fun to watch, regardless of caring for Red vs Blue one way or another.

I might have to re-watch some of it though, see if I'm forgetting something significant about Carolina, because really, Carolina is just outclassed.  Carolina loses to Texas, and Texas loses to Meta.  Add on Meta being practically a cyborg zombie that's never dying and super smart (Well, smarter than your supercomputer minded regular Spartans, that is) this just seems incredibly unfair.

I guess if you want to stretch it to the limit, you can, like, have Carolina remove her helmet, toss it aside, tempt Meta to go after it for the A.I. inside and....I dunno, Spartan Laser it until nothing remains?  Highly unlikely ending, though.
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Post by: Darkflare on July 02, 2016, 07:07:26 am
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 02, 2016, 04:03:30 pm
omm



edit: well that was dumb, favoritism anyone?
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Post by: Seadragon77 on July 02, 2016, 05:13:14 pm
I'll go with that, only because humanoid scorpion guy can't be that strong... can he?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 02, 2016, 05:32:07 pm
I don't know, Meruem is basically Cellfriezabuu

He's pretty OP, it took a nuke that was also laced with self-evolving poison to kill him

Chimera Ant arc was crazy
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Post by: Gennos on July 02, 2016, 08:05:46 pm
meruem is stronger than cell. although i don't remember him shooting laser blast out of his hands, his powers are of an enchanter not an emitter or transmitter.

edit: sorry! he does actually have them, he gained those powers after he absorbed his followers. but they don't work like what was shown at this battle.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 02, 2016, 08:08:51 pm
Yeah that's probably just a liberty they were taking since he consumed Cell's flesh
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 02, 2016, 11:03:12 pm
the omm animation was longer than the DB animation
shame

i liked that meruem was sprited originally though
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Post by: Gennos on July 02, 2016, 11:11:35 pm
i liked that meruem was sprited originally though
barely, half of his animations are repeated and the other half are mostly ragdoll animation. not that there's anything wrong with that, i found it okay.
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Post by: Duos.act on July 02, 2016, 11:21:37 pm
Literally never watched or read Hunter X Hunter in my life but I hate DBZ so I'm always down to watch DBZ characters getting destroyed. 

omm

[youtube]edit: well that was dumb, favoritism anyone?

That's the whole point of OMM.  No research.  Winner determined by the animator.
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Post by: MAO11 on July 02, 2016, 11:49:59 pm
watch hxh its really good especially yorknew city arc , greed island and chimera ant arc
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Post by: Negi Springfield on July 02, 2016, 11:51:59 pm
That's all well and good but Cell didn't even land a blow. The fight came across like bad fanfiction where GokuFan12121 shows up, OHKO's Cell and fucks Bulma.

I was under the assumption that the entire point of these shows wasn't even really "who is the strongest" so much as it was making a good sprite animation with fancy effects and giving people a good show. That wasn't. Shadow vs Mewto wasn't. At least Colonel Sanders fighting curb stomping Ronald McDonald was entertaining for the thought they put into the locations.
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Post by: Duos.act on July 03, 2016, 12:39:58 am
That's all well and good but Cell didn't even land a blow. The fight came across like bad fanfiction where GokuFan12121 shows up, OHKO's Cell and fucks Bulma.

I was under the assumption that the entire point of these shows wasn't even really "who is the strongest" so much as it was making a good sprite animation with fancy effects and giving people a good show. That wasn't. Shadow vs Mewto wasn't. At least Colonel Sanders fighting curb stomping Ronald McDonald was entertaining for the thought they put into the locations.

You are confusing DB with OMM.  DB is to determine an actual winner in an entertaining way.  OMM is just for the flashy fight.  Shadow vs Mewtwo was most likely a filler episode like Batman vs Cap, especially since Ben Singer hates Shadow and probably wanted to make him into his personal jobber by intentional putting him against opponents he'll lose to. 
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Post by: D.R.B on July 03, 2016, 01:26:16 am
the fact that OMM do no research is nothing new, but whats also not new is that a lot of people tend to forget that, like always
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 03, 2016, 06:27:28 am
I didn't care for Hunter X Hunter, gave it up pretty quickly.  It sure wasn't any Yu Yu Hakusho.  I didn't know they jumped to solar system levels of destruction, most I ever see is the protag kid using a copy of Naruto's Rasengan.

Of course, OMM, no research, little logic, etc. etc. and all that.  I'm presuming he's not, just the now-seemingly average occurrence of beat DBZ for attention.  But jeez that was not fun to watch, it needs to be a melee, a fight, not just giving one side the win.
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Post by: TehSpudZ on July 03, 2016, 08:28:16 pm
Silver is my favourite Sonic character, but I like Shadow as well.. Seeing him just be pat down in such a way was just... "Why?" Especially when they used a combination of all iterations of Mewtwo, but not the case with Shadow. That was just... "unfair" would be an understatement.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 03, 2016, 11:10:17 pm
That's all well and good but Cell didn't even land a blow. The fight came across like bad fanfiction where GokuFan12121 shows up, OHKO's Cell and fucks Bulma.

I was under the assumption that the entire point of these shows wasn't even really "who is the strongest" so much as it was making a good sprite animation with fancy effects and giving people a good show. That wasn't. Shadow vs Mewto wasn't. At least Colonel Sanders fighting curb stomping Ronald McDonald was entertaining for the thought they put into the locations.

so by that logic trunks vs silver was a shit omm as well?
or no because trunks won instead?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 01:10:52 am
Silver put up a fight, not that he really could, so no because it was entertainingly even to animate?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on July 04, 2016, 01:17:27 am
I didn't care for Hunter X Hunter, gave it up pretty quickly.  It sure wasn't any Yu Yu Hakusho.  I didn't know they jumped to solar system levels of destruction, most I ever see is the protag kid using a copy of Naruto's Rasengan.

Of course, OMM, no research, little logic, etc. etc. and all that.  I'm presuming he's not, just the now-seemingly average occurrence of beat DBZ for attention.  But jeez that was not fun to watch, it needs to be a melee, a fight, not just giving one side the win.

by that logic that also means saitama should be trading fair blows with any character out there, which wouldn't make sense due to his nature.

yes, omm has no research but no research does NOT mean lack of knowledge of average character traits that casual fans should know. so yes, this matchup makes sense, i dont particularly care for HxH but damn some characters in there stomp DBZ's power levels to the ground.
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Post by: Titiln on July 04, 2016, 01:22:37 am
that mewtwo shadow animation was hot garbage and i hate shadow
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 01:45:31 am
...Yes, Saitama should be trading blows with whoever.  It's a fight.  It's not fun to watch one side put in effort, and the other doesn't and is given their win or loss easily.  Saitama doesn't actually seem that impressive, by what I've seen.  He can punch kaiju into splats, fly to the moon and work under heavy gravity.  He has all the powers of a Powerpuff Girl.  But that's just my ignorance to the series as whole.  Maybe just avoid the character altogether then?

And alright, if you say so.  I really didn't care for Hunter X Hunter, it seemed around early One Piece in terms of power scale, or even Yu Yu Hakushio, not universe-ending ridiculousness of DBZ.  Or planet bursting of early Dragon Ball.
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Post by: lui on July 04, 2016, 01:48:26 am
...Yes, Saitama should be trading blows with whoever.  It's a fight.  It's not fun to watch one side put in effort, and the other doesn't and is given their win or loss easily.  Saitama doesn't actually seem that impressive, by what I've seen.  He can punch kaiju into splats, fly to the moon and work under heavy gravity.  He has all the powers of a Powerpuff Girl.  But that's just my ignorance to the series as whole.
he's a parody of the average shounen character in which his power is quite literally infinite from the start, he literally just killed an alien god with one punch because he "got bored"
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 01:58:36 am
I know the premise of the character, just what I've seen hasn't impressed me.

Coincidentally, still more or less in the range of a Powerpuff Girl.  Just with Satan.  There's your rival. :P
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 02:11:59 am
And alright, if you say so.  I really didn't care for Hunter X Hunter, it seemed around early One Piece in terms of power scale, or even Yu Yu Hakushio, not universe-ending ridiculousness of DBZ.  Or planet bursting of early Dragon Ball.
are you seriously still mad at omm? i thought people stopped taking them seriously after their dante vs ragna battle.

anyhoo, meryum is way stronger than cell man.
open this only if you don't care about getting hxh spoiled for you:
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cell on the other hand is just a robot/cyborg who's strongest form can't even beat SS2.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 02:21:06 am
...Uh, I don't think anyone's mad at anything.  The joke in the previous post should have given that away.  I'm being literal, I don't know what the hell happens in Hunter X Hunter because it bored me out of watching it any further.

So he's an ant made out of alchemy, I don't know what a "nen user" is beyond a Yu-Gi-Oh term I think?  The eating thing sounds like a solid basis, though you'd have to be able to actually, you know, eat the guy.  Without already being in DBZ's range of power to begin with, he's not going to scratch Cell's exposed skin, nevermind rip off an arm.  More intelligent...that I'm left to question, Cell is made from and probably contains the mind of a supercomputer, plus any intelligence of everyone he's made out of and has absorbed.  This Meryum being able to learn board game strategies from expert players is commendable, but doesn't seem in the same scope.

But more importantly, beyond being somewhat in similar ideas or levels, that's not the point.  Just make it a fair fight to watch.  It's not meant to be taken seriously, but it is supposed to be fun for both sides.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 02:30:43 am
So he's an ant made out of alchemy, I don't know what a "nen user" is beyond a Yu-Gi-Oh term I think?
he came from a weird species on a very dangerous place that humans never visited.
as for the second part, just consider it the strongest man in the world as you're not interested in hxh lore.
he whipped the floor with him, and he didn't even use all of his power. btw this strongest man can defeat cell with his eyes closed too, and he trains with 12 other nen users who're also considered the strongest after him.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 02:33:10 am
So yes, they are solar system or universe destroyers then?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 02:40:10 am
ugh your nerdiness is unbearable. are the details that important?
nen is like ki but it manifests it self differently in people depending on their personalities. people can train their nen to max it out.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 04, 2016, 02:43:55 am
ugh your nerdiness is unbearable

This whole topic is the epitome of nerdiness

There is absolutely nothing more nerdy than pointless who can beat who arguments because the answer is and always shall be whoever the writer wants to win

I can't fault Doc Halo for asking questions
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 02:49:52 am
But nerdiness is what makes me so charmingly adorable!

You're in a thread based on nerdy people debating nerdy facts and nerdy topics to prove nerdy points.  If we're not nerdy enough, then Spock n' Roll will die.  Plus the fine details are half the fun in getting it right.

But in this case, if the guy's not even at that level, then he can't even touch Cell.  Which still yes, does not matter as far as OMM goes, but it definitely shouldn't be the other way around with Cell not even touching Meryum.

Also I like Doc Halo, that's a good nickname.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 02:57:16 am
But in this case, if the guy's not even at that level, then he can't even touch Cell.  Which still yes, does not matter as far as OMM goes, but it definitely shouldn't be the other way around with Cell not even touching Meryum.
i don't understand. what are you talking about here?

let me put this in simpler terms since you seem confused and you're confusing me with you:

cell = the strength of ss2 goku, the strongest man in his universe.
meryum > than the maximum strength of the strongest man in his universe.

lets see you dance your way out of this one >:)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on July 04, 2016, 03:01:28 am
are you guys for real ? regardless of who is stronger , this kind of videos is meant for one real deal : advertisement

some artists are trying to bust the number of people who would read HxH or watch the anime

if more people started watching or reading HxH, then the guy who made the video would be like
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 04, 2016, 03:08:58 am
The point of the videos are to get clicks

I sincerely doubt the creators are interested in getting more exposure for Hunter x Hunter of all things
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 03:16:23 am
Cell is around Goku's plain ol' Super Saiyan at its max at the time, and past SSJ2 Gohan after his failed suicide.  Also that's presuming Goku = whoever the strongest man is in HxH, which....doesn't make any sense?

DBZ powers work on Ki.  The higher their power level, the higher their overall stats all around are.  Some minor differences here and there when power levels were more present in on Namek, Jeice and Burter being the main example, but largely as that level goes up the more you completely outclass someone you past.  Such is the life of any non-Saiyan.  For example, Raditz could take Goku's way-past moon destroying Kamehameha, but when Piccolo's attack past his power level he realized he'd be screwed being hit by that.

And way past that, by the time of Cell, he brags how he could wipe out the solar system if he so pleases.  Thus, something with the power to destroy the solar system or higher must be put into hitting him with to kill him.  As Gohan and ghost dad did, just contained in that Kamehameha.  DBZ's done that whole "size of the beam and destruction doesn't equal the power behind it" bit before, blowing Vegeta's Final Flash out of the water not too long after it went off and swallowed up Venus or whatever planet it headed for and an entire Earth continent just by missing.

So I'm just curious, does Meryum or anyone else from that series boast such power?  If not, they're not winning.  At least not on this straightforward attacking front.  That's all.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on July 04, 2016, 03:19:07 am
yes he is and so are other people in the series.

i still don't know why you're so salty about this.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 03:20:30 am
I'm not, I'm curious and just wanted a straightforward answer or at least when explaining yourself it made sense.  If you say they are, then so be it.

You're the one that seems to be getting upset over this.  I'll shut up now, then.  Sorry. :mwhy:
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on July 04, 2016, 03:24:31 am
The point of the videos are to get clicks

seeing the number of views , I guess the Raccoon is still relevant
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on July 04, 2016, 03:25:50 am
im not getting upset over it and i showed no signs of it at all?

and the guys who created the mangas won't give two shits about db or omm, see kamiya-san for example.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 03:26:44 am
don't shut up yet.
dude... everyone in dbz can destroy a planet with his kamehame blast.
freeza destroyed a planet and he's less stronger than a ss1 goku.im sure krillin could do it if he put maximum effort into it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 03:29:41 am
I...legitimately just mixed the two of you up into one poster and thought you were getting more annoyed.  Whoops.

Oh, Krillin past planet buster ages ago, Roshi pulled off the moon early Dragon Ball, and an extraordinarily weak Piccolo in comparison to anything after did the same effortlessly training Gohan as a kid.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 03:31:41 am
which means it shouldn't be used as a measuring point for a character's strength.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Melcore on July 04, 2016, 03:34:49 am
which means it shouldn't be used as a measuring point for a character's strength.


agreed, DBZ planets seem to be composed entirely of cardboard.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 03:42:47 am
Why not?  Krillin's stupidly tough and powerful, just his competition is ridiculously better.  Anything that doesn't have him against those who's levels are way past his or involves him without being powered up has him dominating the situation.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 04, 2016, 03:45:04 am
Doc, in terms of whether Meruem shoot a beam that could destroy his universe the answer is "probably not" because the type of power being thrown around in that world just isn't that type of power. But if it was he would be that powerful. More to the point, if he ATE someone who was that powerful he would be that powerful.

He is fast enough and strong enough to rip Cell's arm off and then start eating it and durable enough to tank the hits Cell would throw at him until he's fully absorbed the information because no DBZ character is ever going to just obliterate someone when they can test their mettle in hand to hand fighting and the Hunter universe is built for hand to hand fighting.

At that point he would be powerful enough to throw a beam that could destroy the universe. So while the fight isn't really that interesting of a fight to watch, it is more or less an accurate one.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 03:51:04 am
Why not? Krillin's stupidly tough and powerful, just his competition is ridiculously better.  Anything that doesn't have him against those who's levels are way past his or involves him without being powered up has him dominating the situation.
because if it was then we can say that Krillin=Cell. both of them can destroy planets therefore they're equal.
obviously that is not true, man.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2016, 03:52:39 am
A planet does not equal a solar system, those are complete different terms of power.
stuff
That's a nice fully explained answer, thank you.  While I have my fair share of doubts, namely getting an arm off, I think that's enough for all of us overanalyzing this OMM, yeah?  We're just starting to get on each other's nerves.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Gennos on July 04, 2016, 03:59:31 am
I think that's enough for all of us overanalyzing this OMM, yeah?  We're just starting to get on each other's nerves.
it was fun. i can see why geeks passionately do this all the time.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 10, 2016, 06:28:37 pm

New DBX.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bob8644 on July 10, 2016, 07:16:34 pm
Well that was anti-climactic and one sided.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 10, 2016, 07:23:28 pm
Eh, compared to Master Chief and Jango Fett, where the animation was one-sided but Jango had no real chance at all, at least it's moderately accurate this time?

Though not to quote myself from the previous discussion against Cell and Saitama and such, but it's just not fun when they don't at least make them seem evenly matched when fighting.  At least it was funny with near-sighted Dedede and the crowd of Waddle Dees, but yeah.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 14, 2016, 12:46:28 am

Right, I don't intend on watching the whole show all over again, but I thought Meta already beat Carolina pretty easily before, this confirmed it.

So being a Red vs Blue episode as well, just an excuse to kill off a member, then it's gotta be Carolina as she's still alive, Meta isn't.  This is all just a big reveal to bring him back and kill her off.  Except the surprise is totally ruined by announcing this Death Battle.  I've enjoyed Red vs Blue and all, but this is just ringing stupid to me right now.

Carolina must have some sort of A.I. inhibitor that I'm forgetting, unless they want to try the spike thing from the fight where Texas tried to kill Meta with it and completely and totally failed with help and Texas being better than Carolina, and still ended up dead.  Because that's just asking for "No duh" remarks when it fails, outrage when it works according to Screw Attack.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on July 16, 2016, 10:52:25 pm
New OMM

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: hatter on July 16, 2016, 11:16:51 pm
That was actually pretty cool. I always liked the idea of a Persona and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure cross-over.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 16, 2016, 11:20:19 pm
Best fight in a while, not too one-sided and pretty balanced throughout for the most part.


As for why they used Black Polnareff, it was an odd choice but i'm not against it. It makes the outcome somewhat more satisfying I think.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 16, 2016, 11:22:02 pm
I don't know these guys, immediately not a fan of the higher-res looking guy, but I'm pretty sure I heard Bleach sound clips in there.  Also this was better than either the last OMM or DBX.

Doesn't Jojo have some sort of rule that their stands are impossible to detect with magic or science unless you have one yourself?  Not that it matters much here, just curious why no one ever tries to throw in the twist that whoever's fighting them in the match can't see their opponent's weapon.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 16, 2016, 11:31:01 pm
I don't know these guys, immediately not a fan of the higher-res looking guy, but I'm pretty sure I heard Bleach sound clips in there.  Also this was better than either the last OMM or DBX.

Doesn't Jojo have some sort of rule that their stands are impossible to detect with magic or science unless you have one yourself?  Not that it matters much here, just curious why no one ever tries to throw in the twist that whoever's fighting them in the match can't see their opponent's weapon.

No Bleach clips, JYB also voiced Yu Narukami, the player avatar (YOU) from Persona 4. The video poked a little hole in it but it's OMM and Stands and Persona operate on the same base logic, phsyical manifestations of your "self" in non-corporeal form.

Persona games just play up the fact that people are different, every day of their lives, so Persona-wielders can change their Personas.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on July 16, 2016, 11:44:17 pm
New OMM

[youtube]https://youtu.be/bP-SeQ6oAKk[/youtube]
half this video was giving a full handjob to lootcrate
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 16, 2016, 11:48:11 pm
Just close out the second you see an ad? That's what I normally do.

Look, I dislike them just as much as most people do, but I grew up when TV was king and sitting through commercials was just something you did, as least these videos don't take commercial breaks to pad the ad out. Don't be that guy.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on July 17, 2016, 12:01:27 am
i wasnt really whining and i didnt watch all of it, i was making fun of the fact that half the video is advertisement
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 17, 2016, 12:08:17 am
The most I know on Persona is that the original may have had this edgy idea that to reveal your true self you need to take a gun or a toy replica of one or whatever and shoot yourself in the head, and the persona explodes out instead of your brains.  Charming.  Oh and it seems to be changing genres per title, if that fighting game is an actual canon entry?  The art style is really off putting to me, so I didn't dive much into it, sorry.  Neat to know the voice is the same though.

I guess that makes as much sense an it really needs for a OMM, I just like the concept of having a fight against a Jojo character where they can't actually detect the stand at all but offer a challenge in some other sort of fashion.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 17, 2016, 12:19:28 am
Actually you got that backwards, Persona 3 was the blacksheep in that aspect. In Persona 1, 2 (and 2.5) gaining a Persona was usually the result of a vastly traumatic experience followed by figurative death staring you in the face. (Think something like going Super Saiyan) Persona 3's Envoker's used some bullshit excuse that imitating suicide is intense enough of a trigger to invoke their Personas (and they are very limited in what they can do) The only person in Persona 3 (and 4 I guess) that can use their Persona(s) freely are the Main Characters. Persona 4 works a bit differently because the fighting takes place in a pocket dimension(tl;dr where Personas come from), so their hardship is facing the evil within themselves and owning up to their own weaknesses, after they beat an evil version of themselves first, that is.


And how is that JoJo rule so hard to accept when it comes to Personas? Both of them are based on almost the same concept. Persona's lore is just more fleshed out.

And yes the fighting games are canon to the main story of Persona, Atlus co-wrote the plot themselves and make refferences to it in the Vita Re-Release of Persona 4, among other things.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 24, 2016, 03:11:45 pm


oh ummm.......ok?
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 24, 2016, 03:54:42 pm
I don't disagree with the outcome but that's some really shoddy animation.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 24, 2016, 06:47:44 pm
I didn't mind the outcome... the animation.... it sucks. It basically takes away from what seemed to be a great idea for a fight between the man who can literally destroy everything with one punch and the man whose fighting style can counter it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 24, 2016, 08:02:27 pm
That doesnt even look remotely like kenshiro...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on July 24, 2016, 08:16:01 pm
Nice to know that they got Video Brinquedo onboard for the new DBX.

Actually you got that backwards, Persona 3 was the blacksheep in that aspect. In Persona 1, 2 (and 2.5) gaining a Persona was usually the result of a vastly traumatic experience followed by figurative death staring you in the face. (Think something like going Super Saiyan) Persona 3's Envoker's used some bullshit excuse that imitating suicide is intense enough of a trigger to invoke their Personas (and they are very limited in what they can do) The only person in Persona 3 (and 4 I guess) that can use their Persona(s) freely are the Main Characters. Persona 4 works a bit differently because the fighting takes place in a pocket dimension(tl;dr where Personas come from), so their hardship is facing the evil within themselves and owning up to their own weaknesses, after they beat an evil version of themselves first, that is.


And how is that JoJo rule so hard to accept when it comes to Personas? Both of them are based on almost the same concept. Persona's lore is just more fleshed out.

And yes the fighting games are canon to the main story of Persona, Atlus co-wrote the plot themselves and make refferences to it in the Vita Re-Release of Persona 4, among other things.

That's not entirely correct either because Persona 3 also had you go through a life changing experience to awaken them, like .  The evokers are just to help summon them if you're inexperienced at doing so.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on July 24, 2016, 09:01:43 pm
This is very late but reading the past couple of pages i have to ask which Hunter X Hunter you guys were watching? Meruem beating Cell is laughable to me, they are not near being in the same realm. Meruem would have been finished by a bomb if it wasn't for help( In the end the bombs poison killed him but the explosion was enough to kill him). Hell in terms of speed he probably cant even react to Cell, he was having trouble with mach speeds fighting Netero for awhile. I call severe wank.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on July 24, 2016, 09:44:29 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on July 24, 2016, 10:02:07 pm
I know that, i'm speaking about the people who seem to think Cell would lose even outside of the show.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 24, 2016, 11:37:52 pm
Nice to know that they got Video Brinquedo onboard for the new DBX.

My quote

That's not entirely correct either because Persona 3 also had you go through a life changing experience to awaken them, like .  The evokers are just to help summon them if you're inexperienced at doing so.

Actually not quite. Did you forget Strega? They were earlier attempts at forcing a Persona out of someone
Legit spoilers
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And they functioned much more like Shadows, hurting the people who wielded them just as much as their enemies and they had to be constantly medicated to keep themselves stable. If anyone, Junpei got the right trigger from a certain someone dying.
Although that does seem to be the case by the time Persona 4 Arena takes place, with the evokers being a formality.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on July 25, 2016, 12:13:05 am
The Answer had flashbacks for every single party member showing the exact moment that their persona was awakened.  The evokers are just there to force them out.  Strega had to take drugs to keep their shit in check because they were artificially given them.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 25, 2016, 01:37:55 pm
This is very late but reading the past couple of pages i have to ask which Hunter X Hunter you guys were watching? Meruem beating Cell is laughable to me, they are not near being in the same realm. Meruem would have been finished by a bomb if it wasn't for help( In the end the bombs poison killed him but the explosion was enough to kill him). Hell in terms of speed he probably cant even react to Cell, he was having trouble with mach speeds fighting Netero for awhile. I call severe wank.

he gets powers from those he eats
he ate cells arm, that was more than enough of a power boost
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on July 28, 2016, 12:52:35 pm

Those are plasma rifles, not pistols Screwattack.  Already marked down Samus's stun pistol as having the ice beam, don't mix up the Halo guns too.  Halo specifically has plasma pistols with different functionality than their plasma rifles.

And just one A.I.?  Why are they making it harder on Carolina?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on July 30, 2016, 05:19:09 pm
Trailer for the season 3 finale of OMM
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 30, 2016, 05:25:39 pm
I predict Saitama wins with one serious punch and people get upset and it get a million views.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 31, 2016, 02:34:02 pm
sprite work looks great
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on August 03, 2016, 03:06:16 pm
Meta VS Carolina | Red VS Blue + DEATH BATTLE!

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 03, 2016, 03:29:41 pm
it aint gonna get me to watch RvB but the death battle was neat
good job torrian
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on August 03, 2016, 04:29:19 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 03, 2016, 04:37:58 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on August 03, 2016, 06:00:17 pm
I'm suprised, but happy about who won DB.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 03, 2016, 10:43:41 pm

wait......theres not a lot of sprite animators left on DB team, the shadow/mewtwo guy hopped off
i hope we aint going back to ben animations
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 03, 2016, 10:46:00 pm
I hope it's 3D with Cammy using the SF5 model and Sonya using MKX.  I honestly hate the sprite based fights. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 03, 2016, 11:49:53 pm
Geez.  It's Death Battle, AND Red vs Blue.  How did you still manage to disappoint?

Ugh.  So wrong victor, way less dramatic battle than the people over at RvB do, which they actually had working on it so....what?  Meta's walking animations were weird as hell too, I don't know what was going on there.

Well anyways.  The next fight seems to be 2D.  Shame, I would have hoped for 3D for that.  Unless Cammy's getting a Bison or Dolls assist, or they vouch she's way too fast for anything Sonya does, then Sonya's got it.  Faster, Cammy just snaps the neck for a win.  Not an easy win, Sonya's got little death bots flying around, but nothing she can't deal with.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on August 04, 2016, 12:12:17 am
I hope it's 3D with Cammy using the SF5 model and Sonya using MKX.  I honestly hate the sprite based fights. 

nah man.. I hope its a digitized sprite battle.. MK1 Sonya vs SF the movie Cammy.
Atleast that's how I would do it.

Actually enjoyed this DB, felt like I was watching an ep of RvB. Dunno why Long John thinks it was the wrong victor, their main explanation is actually quite sound a reason.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 04, 2016, 12:17:59 am
Sonya VS Cammy,eh? sounds like it's time for the second "DEATH CATBATTLE" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 04, 2016, 12:27:16 am
Because I hate everything and everything is wrong. >:(

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 06, 2016, 01:09:41 am
New Superpower Beatdown is out.


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bob8644 on August 06, 2016, 07:00:38 am
Not a bad Death Battle compared to the ones we've got recently.

The direction they went with is something I think could be explored in future episodes.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on August 06, 2016, 11:35:05 am
New Superpower Beatdown is out
Sweet.. John Morrison as Winter Soldier
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 06, 2016, 04:30:20 pm
Everyone's favorite punchline vs Superman is out

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Banksy Boomboom on August 06, 2016, 04:45:20 pm
Everyone's favorite punchline vs Superman is out

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0seE9SMZ3P8[/youtube]

This is a million times better than the crappy DBX, Donald vs Colonel Sanders was the only good thing from it
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: R565 on August 06, 2016, 04:51:01 pm
...And no one got killed in the long run...(besides the Avengers...yikes...)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 06, 2016, 05:49:30 pm
Fucking amazing
I've always wanted a limitless fight on the show
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on August 06, 2016, 05:58:53 pm
That was awesome. The animation is top notch and I actually enjoyed the fight and the ending a fair bit. :)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: rgveda99 on August 06, 2016, 06:47:41 pm
Waits for Squirrel Girl VS Saitama.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on August 06, 2016, 07:23:32 pm
Do you want Saitama to lose THAT badly? D:
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 06, 2016, 08:01:31 pm
It's actually a pretty good idea for a matchup.  Saitama's entire concept is to make fun of power level debates and overpowered comic book heroes.  It's a perfect fit, or at the very least it's someone's OTP.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on August 07, 2016, 01:08:41 am
Waits for Squirrel Girl VS Saitama.

Squirrel Girl is only able to easily beat bad guys, and mostly off-panel

maybe by now if we are going buy gag , then Bomb Queen may do the job and beat Saitama
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: rgveda99 on August 07, 2016, 07:31:22 am
Do you want Saitama to lose THAT badly? D:

I actually prefer Squirrel Girl to lose. Hoping they actually use that horrendous artwork in The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl comic if this match up materializes.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on August 07, 2016, 03:11:25 pm
new DBX

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 07, 2016, 04:50:00 pm
ehh, better than the last 2 but........eh
not upset with the outcome....its just..... animation rewind tier
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: SNT on August 08, 2016, 03:16:00 am
Outcome is bullshit, Rin would stomp that silly tart
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 08, 2016, 03:56:49 am
Geez, I have fallen off the map with Naruto.  When did Sakura learn the bondage straps Super Saiyan mode?  I thought her big deal was getting a diamond on her forehead.

Eh, DBX by design is terrible for accuracy, but if the other girl does need explosions to gain enough momentum to be fast enough to deal big damage to Sakura, she's outclassed in speed since the beginning of the show.  Beyond that, I can't say anything really about her, nor much fairly on Sakura evidently.

I don't have much to say on the Superman/One Punch Man one either because, well, I never really liked OPM since the beginning.  Why are they trying to tie it into Death Battle's outcome though?  You guys aren't under Screw Attack any more.  And why are they still trying to play it that Goku's the bad guy?  Angry fanboy be I or not, it's just been annoying ever since the first Death Battle.

But then I'm still in the camp Goku's way more than got Superman handled since before this whole god form stuff, so whatever.  The animation for their OMM season finale was nicely done, at least.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: SNT on August 08, 2016, 09:49:14 am
Spoiler: NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD (click to see content)

Basically this fight was end-game Sakura put up against the equivalent of Chuunin Arc Sakura. End-game Rin is more equivalent to someone like Kakashi or Sasuke.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 10, 2016, 03:24:06 pm

guess its coming out next week then...

inb4 lackluster animation

to save time, lets watch this just cuz

8:05
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 11, 2016, 08:14:58 pm
Glad I'm not the only one who remembers VG Exiles. The "story" parts were always.... ehhh... at best, but goddamn those fights. I wonder what that guy is doing these days.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 11, 2016, 10:30:58 pm
Making part 4 lol
He had a rough hiatus but hes still doing stuff
He hosted this collab
@3:50 is his one
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 14, 2016, 09:01:33 pm
Ok,I have to say that Sakura from Street Fig...I mean Naruto VS Rin from Fate/Stay night was good,but the Saitama VS Kenshiro was ridiculous and disappointing than Goku VS Superman
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 14, 2016, 11:50:02 pm
What was wrong with Goku vs Superman?  That was some of their best animation ever. 
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 15, 2016, 12:44:09 am
What was wrong with Goku vs Superman?  That was some of their best animation ever. 

Uhhh,Duos,I don't have nothing aganist GVS,This fight is good as Deadpool VS Deathstroke was
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: lui on August 15, 2016, 12:45:04 am
but the Saitama VS Kenshiro was ridiculous and disappointing than Goku VS Superman

maybe he was talking about the outcome?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 15, 2016, 12:58:46 am
but the Saitama VS Kenshiro was ridiculous and disappointing than Goku VS Superman

maybe he was talking about the outcome?

Probably but
Actually I don't like it for those reasons
1) This guy that Saitama faced,Dosen't look as the Kenshiro we know,Kenshiro had 3 holes in his body and his hair is brown
2) Look carefully at Saitama trying to punch kenshiro at 2:03,It shows the animation is terrible
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 15, 2016, 03:37:39 pm
Sonya preview is out

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 15, 2016, 06:28:57 pm
....how exactly can cammy win this?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on August 15, 2016, 06:35:46 pm
sonya's gonna take this MK characters always win over street fighter characters....well except for akuma
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 15, 2016, 11:47:24 pm
This will be awesome,Can't wait to watch this ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 17, 2016, 03:18:41 pm


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animation......i'll give em this one, better than the DBXs and shadow vs mewtwo one but they should have used better sprites
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 17, 2016, 04:08:05 pm
Agree with the outcome but that animation... jeeze...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on August 17, 2016, 04:33:16 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 17, 2016, 05:07:18 pm
Agree with the outcome but that animation... jeeze...

they dont have much aside from torrian and they cant overwork him as well
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 17, 2016, 05:41:04 pm
Death of Death Battle?

I guess all good things must come to an end.

Sad, I think i'd say my favorite is still Snake vs Sam Fisher. How about you guys?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 17, 2016, 07:00:21 pm
Death of Death Battle?

I guess all good things must come to an end.

Sad, I think i'd say my favorite is still Snake vs Sam Fisher. How about you guys?

My favorite one was Deadpool VS Deathstroke
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 17, 2016, 07:12:29 pm
I don't really see what was wrong with that episode?  Certainly nothing bad enough that people (in this thread, absolutely nowhere else that I've seen) are calling it the end of the series?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 17, 2016, 10:43:08 pm
This was definitely a filler battle in terms of animation. Don't they have like only one really good animator on staff?

Anyway... the next match sounds interesting, but you what would be better here? A Death Battle between 5 members of Overwatch and the team from Team Fortress 2.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2016, 11:25:24 pm
they put out a decidedly average cammy sonya battle and now you want a multicharacter 3d animated battle
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 17, 2016, 11:58:58 pm
Isn't the Overwatch comic not even out yet?  The thing has little to no story to its name in game as far as I know, and minimum outside.  It's multiplayer focused Desitny.

I guess the equally detailed character Scout from Team Fortress that everyone's suggesting is the only one I can tie to the next fight.  I don't play Team Fortress, isn't Scout just a teenager hyped up on sugary drinks with a baseball bat and a mediocre shotgun?  And a clone or some nonsense to explain the respawn gameplay mechanic, but nothing really special?  Tracer from appearances alone has the hi-tech advantage, and speed being Scout's deal she outclasses him as well.  Does she have zero close range options?

Not surprised, just disappointed at more Street Fighter losses, especially an exceedingly much more interesting character losing.  Speed should trump Sonya's tech and close range combat as far as I'm concerned, Cammy should win.  Oh well.  For the sprites they chose, it was animated alright, if nothing special, but I still don't see why they didn't go with something nicer that SFII Cammy.

Death of Death Battle?

I guess all good things must come to an end.

Sad, I think i'd say my favorite is still Snake vs Sam Fisher. How about you guys?

Huh?  Occasional disappointing episodes don't mean the show's coming to a sudden halt.  Unless you mean that they're reaching out to Overwatch for views or something, in which case yeah, it's kinda stupid to choose unless they've made her the winner right off the bat when picking her and the opponent to make up for her being new.  Which would seem to be the case against poor Scout, or Tifa, but the show didn't end back then when people were calling foul.

Just made some of us decide to not watch RWBY.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 18, 2016, 12:46:50 am
No I meant that abortion of pixels flooding my screen was basically the worst fan animation i've seen in recent memory.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on August 18, 2016, 01:00:24 am
Isn't the Overwatch comic not even out yet?  The thing has little to no story to its name in game as far as I know, and minimum outside.  It's multiplayer focused Desitny.
so what

it's a massively popular game and the characters have moves and that's all you need
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2016, 01:06:33 am
In the most barebones manner, I guess.  Can work it like the Kanto starters three-way battle or Goomba vs Koopa.  It just comes across that, unlike those matches, Tracer doesn't have much to say about simple because the canon hasn't been told, not that they're just commonplace random monsters but an actual person we don't have the info on yet.  So to make up for it they'll give her the win anyways so it doesn't come back to bite them in, say, 6 months the comic comes out and says "Tracer can actually rise from the dead with the magic power of the moon" and contradicts something Death Battle pulls.

Basically I'd prefer they took their practice they've had with Naruto characters showing, waiting until its story was done or at least its current arc.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on August 18, 2016, 03:12:55 am
Isn't the Overwatch comic not even out yet?  The thing has little to no story to its name in game as far as I know, and minimum outside.  It's multiplayer focused Desitny.
They'll use what's known on her backstory, the shorts she has appeared in and her in game abilities. It's enough.
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I guess the equally detailed character Scout from Team Fortress that everyone's suggesting is the only one I can tie to the next fight.  I don't play Team Fortress, isn't Scout just a teenager hyped up on sugary drinks with a baseball bat and a mediocre shotgun?
A mediocre shotgun that can two shot the Heavy at point blank. Sugary drinks that can provide invincibility or more speed and damage at the cost of defense depending on which drink.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2016, 03:33:19 am
Heavy's not exactly wearing full body armor.

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-185MptQuu0Q/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_gBUXeTmvgc/s900-c-k-no-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg)
I can see an average shotgun taking this guy and his vest down in two shots.

And yeah, point blank.  Best of luck to him with that.  If there's a character in Overwatch that also has an invincibility special, then I'm guessing they can reason that she has experience dealing with it too, since I'm also presuming that'll be his choice drink, since even less chance of living to raise his speed against a teleporter isn't his best option.

Plus Death Battle doesn't seem to value invincibility too highly, judging from DoomGuy and Shadow.  But hey, maybe they'll surprise me, he bats off her head when her Iron Man chest piece runs out of juice.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 18, 2016, 03:35:31 am
Plus Death Battle doesn't seem to value invincibility too highly, judging from DoomGuy and Shadow.

Now I'mma let you finish but

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2016, 03:37:46 am
Dante's not invincible...?  Regen and high pain tolerance isn't the same as outside forces have zero impact.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on August 18, 2016, 05:13:50 am
I can see an average shotgun taking this guy and his vest down in two shots.
Yea, TF2 doesn't follow real life logic.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 18, 2016, 01:20:26 pm
No I meant that abortion of pixels flooding my screen was basically the worst fan animation i've seen in recent memory.
Nah the fight wasnt as bad as you're making it out to be
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 18, 2016, 07:50:33 pm
No I meant that abortion of pixels flooding my screen was basically the worst fan animation i've seen in recent memory.
Nah the fight wasnt as bad as you're making it out to be


Definitely not.  Shadow vs Mewtwo was an abortion but this was fine.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 20, 2016, 12:25:36 am
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJTNycChdyg/

Scout confirmed for Tracer's opponent.

...Is there really no better promotional artwork for the Team Fortress guys than screenshots of their models?  Just looks funny.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on August 20, 2016, 01:41:20 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 20, 2016, 03:45:45 pm
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Or Riptor fighting Yoshi.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 20, 2016, 06:34:01 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJTNycChdyg/

Scout confirmed for Tracer's opponent.

...Is there really no better promotional artwork for the Team Fortress guys than screenshots of their models?  Just looks funny.
Called it a second time
 Going for the hat trick

Scouts winning it, i got no reason why for i know fa about either series but.....i see scout winning
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 20, 2016, 11:44:33 pm
Or Riptor fighting Yoshi.
Wasn't Riptor a guy who transferred his brain into a dino in the original as well?  Killer Instict lore wasn't ever my thing, but I thought that was the case.  Unless you mean the dino itself was female.

I've noticed too it seems their pairings of male vs female, the female tends to win.  But then, any battle I've wanted to see with such a case has also been the result as far as I can reason.  Sailor Moon vs Sora, Samus vs Master Chief (Kinda iffy to be honest, both have reasons they should win.  Plus I ignore anything post Bungie or Other M), heck, I'm somewhat leaning on the Elsa side of the joke match between Elsa and Sub-Zero.  For the most part though, their reasoning is sound why they win.  Except Carolina standing against The Meta, screw that noise.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on August 21, 2016, 02:04:43 am
it wasn't really made clear in the original KI if Riptor was a female or male , the only one hint was in the ending when you beat the game with Riptor and eggs where showing , yet the comic based on the game has showed other Riptors , which also may suggest that another one of them layed the eggs , in the remake Riptor was indeed made a she, death battle was still calling Riptor a "He"
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on August 21, 2016, 04:23:22 pm
DBX is now doing their own version of the same match up from OMM



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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 21, 2016, 04:35:38 pm
What was the point of this one?  OMM's version was made unknowing of Mewtwo vs Shadow until some time into production but came out around the same time, surely this was started after OMM then put out theirs.  I thought the reason behind DBX was to do matches they could do for Death Battle, but don't want to give that much research into.  If that specifically was already done, why bother?  Because Ben can't stand Silver?

Eh.  Anyways, it's alright.  OMM did it better though.  Would be nice to actually have Dragon Ball do well in an actual Death Battle, joke matches aside, maybe some more accurate analysis...but I'm not placing high hopes of that outcome.  Until we get the trifecta and there is a Trunks vs Silver Death Battle, that is.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on August 21, 2016, 09:18:03 pm
...Is there really no better promotional artwork for the Team Fortress guys than screenshots of their models?  Just looks funny.
Even Valve themselves just use the models
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on August 21, 2016, 09:26:33 pm
That just strikes me as odd.  Even silent protagonist no face Gordon Freeman has nice artwork.

(http://images.popmatters.com/news_art/h/half-life-2-gordon-freeman-620x620.jpg)

At least it's not bad looking, with their cartoony designs.  Just now curious why they never bothered.  Especially as popular as its become.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 23, 2016, 12:53:16 pm
What was the point of this one?  OMM's version was made unknowing of Mewtwo vs Shadow until some time into production but came out around the same time, surely this was started after OMM then put out theirs.  I thought the reason behind DBX was to do matches they could do for Death Battle, but don't want to give that much research into.  If that specifically was already done, why bother?  Because Ben can't stand Silver?

Eh.  Anyways, it's alright.  OMM did it better though.  Would be nice to actually have Dragon Ball do well in an actual Death Battle, joke matches aside, maybe some more accurate analysis...but I'm not placing high hopes of that outcome.  Until we get the trifecta and there is a Trunks vs Silver Death Battle, that is.

firstly, back when there were trailers of dbx, this was always seen in the teaser
so this was planned before omm

and secondly, no. the reason behind DBX is to make omm again now that all the omm animators had that falling out issue with screw attack, its just them telling less popular animators to animate whatever they want. it has nothing to do with what ben wants, since they arent scripting the matches

so far, 2 out of 5 dbz death battles have been wins. thats better than FF's ratio and marios ratio
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 23, 2016, 06:07:46 pm
Whoa back up, what falling out with the OMM animators?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on August 23, 2016, 07:10:17 pm
OMM animators didn't like how they were being treated by Screwattack so they split and did OMM on their own.  That's why it's no longer part of SA's channel.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 23, 2016, 08:48:04 pm
Why did you think we got a bare bones lil mac vs ippo season finale on screw attack and then a full version on hyper guage?

The entire season 3of DB has had to milk more out of torrian as he was literally the only animator who didn't leave
Since then they had to get others for the sprite animations
CVAnimations, kixx06 i think his name is, the dude who did ganon/bowser and mewtwo/shadow(Who's also left now)

Without the maplematorsand mr lange, the sprite animations wont get any better any time soon
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 24, 2016, 07:14:35 pm
Tracer preview is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5LraQF7wE
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Yagoshi300 on August 24, 2016, 07:35:00 pm
Why did you think we got a bare bones lil mac vs ippo season finale on screw attack and then a full version on hyper guage?

The entire season 3of DB has had to milk more out of torrian as he was literally the only animator who didn't leave
Since then they had to get others for the sprite animations
CVAnimations, kixx06 i think his name is, the dude who did ganon/bowser and mewtwo/shadow(Who's also left now)

Without the maplematorsand mr lange, the sprite animations wont get any better any time soon

The Dude who did Ganon vs. Bowser and Mewtwo vs. Shadow Animations's Username is Currently "Donimation"
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on August 31, 2016, 07:23:51 pm
Scout is coming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02bFP8O7QvI
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 04, 2016, 03:20:43 pm
New DBX

Edit: Retroactive fixed link
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on September 04, 2016, 05:07:52 pm
bruh Ryu wanna become a Pokemon master now lol anyway i enjoyed it
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 04, 2016, 05:27:43 pm
Well....that's a weird matchup
I like weird match ups but this...was weird

Also Wtf pxz sprites?

Edit: Aaaand it's been removed
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on September 05, 2016, 01:09:53 am
 The Copyright took over ScrewAttack once again. Goddamn it. I hate that copyright system,It is so annoying
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 05, 2016, 01:24:07 am
How in the hell was that video infringing on any copyrights? Was it the NxC Ryu sprite?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 05, 2016, 09:18:20 am
Music most likely, not too sue
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on September 05, 2016, 12:08:13 pm
Or perhaps,It was for the new rules of YouTube
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 07, 2016, 03:13:09 pm
Annnnd it's out.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 07, 2016, 03:56:45 pm
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as for next time
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 07, 2016, 04:12:38 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on September 07, 2016, 09:18:21 pm
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Post by: Prototype God on September 07, 2016, 11:48:29 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 07, 2016, 11:55:51 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on September 08, 2016, 12:41:21 am
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 08, 2016, 12:50:15 am
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on September 08, 2016, 01:17:42 am
watched the video ......
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on September 10, 2016, 10:12:50 am
as for next time
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 10, 2016, 01:47:13 pm
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ITS A WIN WIN MATCH UP
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 10, 2016, 01:56:32 pm
If they don't pull some Violent Ken shit or use the Satsui No Hadou for some reason... I don't see how Ken could win this.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 10, 2016, 02:07:10 pm
wait so who will he fight against with?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on September 10, 2016, 02:12:53 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 10, 2016, 02:18:17 pm
Violent ken is a snk oc
Its ken with the orochi shit

The other one is just a brainwashed ken, he has no canon second form
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 10, 2016, 02:56:23 pm
Violent ken is a snk oc
Its ken with the orochi shit

The other one is just a brainwashed ken, he has no canon second form

I already know all of this but it's Death Battle. So they'll likely mention it despite it having no relevance.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 10, 2016, 09:27:46 pm
If they don't pull some Violent Ken shit or use the Satsui No Hadou for some reason... I don't see how Ken could win this.
Well, Ken can scare his opponents to death with his ugly SFV face.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 11, 2016, 05:52:30 pm
Ryu vs Lucario DBX is back up for whoever missed it.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on September 11, 2016, 05:53:50 pm
If they don't pull some Violent Ken shit or use the Satsui No Hadou for some reason... I don't see how Ken could win this.
Well, Ken can scare his opponents to death with his ugly SFV face.
Especially since lots of women find him disturbing.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Thagr8test on September 12, 2016, 09:25:14 pm
Found this on youtube worth a watch Leonardo vs Tim Drake


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 12, 2016, 11:07:18 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 12, 2016, 11:28:36 pm
Never take animationrewind videos as factual, its done by a guy who knows more on fnaf and spongebob than any other subject
Good example


Also its a 50/50 chance a animationrewind vid is gonna be decent fight wise
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 14, 2016, 07:10:43 pm
Ken preview

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 15, 2016, 02:44:06 am
nice hope the battle isn't as awful like the recent ones.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 15, 2016, 06:09:21 am
Cvanimations doing this one as well
Take that as you will

Its the best they have and i dont personally mind this animator
Though they should get this guy on board
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 15, 2016, 06:14:37 am
ryu vs karate furry guy was ok.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 15, 2016, 06:23:47 am
Cvanimations doing this one as well
Take that as you will

Its the best they have and i dont personally mind this animator

Too bad he's a piece of shit who didn't care whether or not the sprite editors got credit for their spritework.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 15, 2016, 06:30:06 am
Im new to this news
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 15, 2016, 06:45:06 am
I posted it here a while back but either crossed out or deleted the post once I contacted ScrewAttack to make sure it was resolved (because I didn't want them getting any shit because of this guy) but here goes:

I knew CVanimations back from the VGDC days. When he was making the animation for Thor vs. Kratos, I said to make sure he credited Loganir & Blackdragon for the Thor sprites. He said he'd make sure they got credit. Then Yoshi 1-Up of 1-Up Island proceeded to mock me in the FB group where Luis posted the audition by saying that the creditors of the original VG sprites used in animation should be credited as well. I PM'd Luis afterward (disclaimer: I did not know ScrewAttack started crediting MUGEN authors a long time ago when I made the first comment, however that is quite irrelevant to his reaction) (not censoring first name because it's on Twitter anyway):
(http://i.imgur.com/j7Hz2LB.png)

I went public with this, even contacting Ben and Chad from ScrewAttack, who kindly reassured me that it was merely an audition that wouldn't be posted on SA, and they'd make sure that any artists would be credited:
(http://i.imgur.com/JieDfOy.png)



Again, I jumped the gun by saying what I did to Luis (god I feel like early-mid 2000's KFM saying all this), but that doesn't excuse his reaction, which was certainly unexpected given his work with sprite animations.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Iori730 on September 15, 2016, 07:22:23 am
I did not know ScrewAttack started crediting MUGEN authors a long time ago when I made the first comment

Again, I jumped the gun by saying what I did to Luis (god I feel like early-mid 2000's KFM saying all this), but that doesn't excuse his reaction, which was certainly unexpected given his work with sprite animations.


maybe you should stop jumping the Gun...
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 15, 2016, 07:28:02 am
When is Shin DIO's ban up?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 15, 2016, 10:02:09 am
maybe you should stop jumping the Gun...
And maybe you should stop with the passive aggressive posts...

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 15, 2016, 02:04:23 pm
maybe you should stop jumping the Gun...
Don't start these off topic jabs again. I see you get on this kick again and I'm going to start banning. This is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 15, 2016, 05:14:58 pm
So now that we know its Ken vs Terry as we hoped.. who's your money one?
Wonder if they gonna be taking the Fatal Fury OVAs as canon, coz then Terry will most probably win
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 15, 2016, 05:25:15 pm
If it's Terry from OVA then he can beat a god basically :P Ken has no chance.

If it's just Ken vs Terry then it could go either way. I don't think Ken has killed before. Though KOF Terry hasn't either, that was only FF Terry that killed Geese? I forget now ahhh so confusing
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on September 15, 2016, 05:47:36 pm
i honestly dont know who to cheer for lol i like them both but if they use terrys OVA attacks like the Hadou Senpukyaku which basically one shotted Geese then Terry has a massive advantage but idk its unlikely that they will use that anyway
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 15, 2016, 05:58:48 pm
Note to self: pay more attention to which topic you're posting in when you have multiple tabs open

Edit: Let's salvage this post

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on September 15, 2016, 06:15:29 pm
what
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 16, 2016, 04:24:18 am
my money is on terry. terry has officially defeated  krauser and geese who did ken beat?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 16, 2016, 04:27:36 am
He's beaten Ryu who's beaten almost everyone big in SF. That count?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on September 16, 2016, 04:32:20 am
Ken beat Gill in Ryu Final.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 16, 2016, 06:37:00 am
I highly doubt punches arent pulled when ryu and ken fight
 When ryu fights the bad guys its usually to the death or til noticeable defeat

Kens too chill for that, TERRY on the other hand kinda killed geese. Despite being happy go lucky, terry's always going all out since....y'know___snk's ridiculous like that
I'm cool with either winning, but i think terry's got this covered
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 16, 2016, 09:18:15 am
When did he kill Geese?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on September 16, 2016, 01:38:35 pm
Terry didn't really kill Geese or krauser  , Geese was able to tank all of Terry killing moves and was only deafeted caz he fall out of his tall building twice  , the first time he survived the fall and the 2nd time he was dead , krauser  simply went salty , diving to the sea after he was beaten ,but still wasn't killed directly by Terry
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 16, 2016, 01:56:41 pm
Exactly, neither of them have really killed anyone. They both have come close to being killed though
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 16, 2016, 08:22:14 pm

eeeeyyyy
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on September 17, 2016, 01:44:02 am
if they decided to use feats from the cartoon....Ken may have greater chance of winning

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 17, 2016, 04:01:23 am
ken's a jerk "oh ryu your arm might be broken here have some hadouken!"
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lichtbringer on September 17, 2016, 08:10:09 am
So now that we know its Ken vs Terry as we hoped.. who's your money one?
Wonder if they gonna be taking the Fatal Fury OVAs as canon, coz then Terry will most probably win

They will probably use it, they always use stuff that has never been in the games but in comics and animes, like Dan could use dark hadou powers and stuff like that, but I will call bullshit if they turn Ken into his Voilent form to give him a advantage over Terry, since he normaly can't get that form without "help", unlike Ryu who can turn into his Evil form by him self.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on September 17, 2016, 08:16:25 am
Exactly, neither of them have really killed anyone. They both have come close to being killed though
Right, I should probably give a reminder that Death Battle removes that pesky thing called morality for their characters and make everyone willing to kill even if they wouldn't otherwise.

So while both Ken and Terry would just have a regular duel under normal circumstances, they're both willing to fight to the death in Death battle.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 17, 2016, 09:51:02 am
Exactly, neither of them have really killed anyone. They both have come close to being killed though
Right, I should probably give a reminder that Death Battle removes that pesky thing called morality for their characters and make everyone willing to kill even if they wouldn't otherwise.

So while both Ken and Terry would just have a regular duel under normal circumstances, they're both willing to fight to the death in Death battle.
You completely missed the context of that post. We know DB does that... we were talking about whether either of them canonically killed anyone... since it was mentioned in s post earlier that terry killed geese.. which he didn't
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on September 17, 2016, 10:31:59 am
i thought only ryu and Alex beat Gill never knew ken beat him and yeah Geese...kinda killed himself lol if that makes any sense
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 18, 2016, 01:25:56 am
Season 4 of OMM just started with.. Round 3 of Oni vs Kenpachi

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 18, 2016, 01:26:14 pm
It was announced beforehand twice

nice that they added voice acting(And salvaged chuchoryu's sprites)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: FirePony on September 18, 2016, 01:32:03 pm
They give credit for the sprites used or not?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 18, 2016, 02:33:40 pm
Yeah, in the credits
They credit spriters
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Weiss Circal on September 18, 2016, 03:01:57 pm
Exactly, neither of them have really killed anyone. They both have come close to being killed though
Right, I should probably give a reminder that Death Battle removes that pesky thing called morality for their characters and make everyone willing to kill even if they wouldn't otherwise.

So while both Ken and Terry would just have a regular duel under normal circumstances, they're both willing to fight to the death in Death battle.

So true.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 18, 2016, 03:24:15 pm

What timing
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: FirePony on September 18, 2016, 03:30:10 pm
This is great to credit spriters. :)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 18, 2016, 09:31:55 pm
Exactly, neither of them have really killed anyone. They both have come close to being killed though
Right, I should probably give a reminder that Death Battle removes that pesky thing called morality for their characters and make everyone willing to kill even if they wouldn't otherwise.

So while both Ken and Terry would just have a regular duel under normal circumstances, they're both willing to fight to the death in Death battle.

They didnt make flash a murderer, quicksilver just happened to fly into a sword....they could do the same with these two
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on September 19, 2016, 02:19:44 pm
soo i really want that kenpachi to be in Mugen lmfao but i dont think thats his Bankai its his Shikai still badass though
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 21, 2016, 03:39:44 pm
Terry preview out

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 22, 2016, 01:51:07 am
 someone said ova terry is a guaranteed win
What's he done?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 22, 2016, 01:52:51 am
Became more powerful than a god made of pure energy. Terry was a SSJ by the end of the 3rd movie.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 25, 2016, 04:35:21 pm
Bruce Lee vs The World


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 25, 2016, 07:26:39 pm
They could've atleast used the sprites that were edited to look like Bruce lee's yellow rider suit... instead its Fei-long vs Feilong.
Animation was ok I guess.. yet another underwhelming episode though.
They really need to bring in some new animators..
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 25, 2016, 08:00:23 pm
I got a laugh out of Hitmonlee.  Had to rewatch to get what was the deal with Rock trying to kill Marshall Law though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 25, 2016, 10:35:50 pm
They could've atleast used the sprites that were edited to look like Bruce lee's yellow rider suit... instead its Fei-long vs Feilong.
Animation was ok I guess.. yet another underwhelming episode though.
They really need to bring in some new animators..
They are, theres a lot of dbx and db animators
This guy is new
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on September 25, 2016, 11:05:10 pm
i liked the idea but the proportions are all over the place. liu kang looks very small
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 26, 2016, 01:00:13 pm
Went back to look at the sasuke hiei fight
Its got more dislikes than likes

Jesus
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 26, 2016, 06:17:20 pm
It was fairly ridiculous in execution and ending, even for a joke match when people were requesting a serious one.  I'm not actually sure rock spikes could harm Hiei?  Less sure about Sasuke, having dropped out of the seires before his powers got really weird, but I thought he could still poof into a log when hurt, and Hiei's got tougher skin than that.  No research doesn't mean characters doing things they wouldn't won't rile people up.

To jump into that discussion of feats for a second, doesn't Hiei counter most of Sasuke's big advantages he has in the Naruto world?  Copy eye works on Naruto-specific ninjitsu, something Hiei doesn't do.  His third eye prevents any of those illusions.  His black dragon seems a reasonable match to Sasuke's giant skeleton ogre thing?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 27, 2016, 12:12:26 am
doesn't hiei's black dragon could burn anything? if i remember correctly.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2016, 12:24:14 am
From what I remember, the dragon was unstoppable by anything in the series, but required Hiei to sacrifice part of his body to get charred up to use and was not under his control and would just as likely feel like killing him as the opponent, or both.  Lets presume it wants to kill the bigger thing, Sasuke's stand.

But then I haven't watch it in its entirety in ages.  Bits and pieces more recently, but nothing especially pertaining to Hiei.

Wikis are useful. (http://yuyuhakusho.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_of_the_Darkness_Flame_(technique))  So I was kinda wrong, it says it has unmatched destructive capabilities, but then it's stopped by people higher up on the power level chain than Hiei.  Also he used to be in danger of it attacking him, now if it does he just gets a super form by absorbing it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on September 27, 2016, 02:29:20 am
People dislike the Hiei vs Sasuke fight because it's basically just a circle jerk of two characters Ben dislikes made to look ridiculous out of spite.

I still maintain that the worst episode of DBX is either that ass ugly Saitama vs Kenshiro with the Kenshiro model that looks like McCree from Overwatch, or Ryu vs Lucario where they seemingly threw random voice clips together onto Ryu's moves presumably because the animator never played an SF game in his life and only knew of Ryu from Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 28, 2016, 03:01:47 pm
I read naruto to the end
If hiei isn't island busting level at the very least, he can't get pas sasukes perfect Susanoo

Sasuke also has the rinnegan as well so like he's godtier for a human
Amaterasu is his black fire that can't be extinguished at all
He is expert at mindfucks that knock out opponents and can make those mini planet things nagato and madara can do

Flight and Susanoo power added to the mix he's op
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 28, 2016, 03:04:34 pm
then explain me why he can't kill naruto?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 28, 2016, 04:25:40 pm
Because Naruto is poorly written trite?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 28, 2016, 05:37:08 pm
then explain me why he can't kill naruto?

Coz thats how Kishimoto wrote him?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 28, 2016, 05:45:14 pm
Because Sasuke is Moses and Naruto is Jesus
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 28, 2016, 05:50:09 pm
then explain me why he can't kill naruto?

Cuz naruto out classed him
Dude had every tailed beasts power in him by the end of the manga among multiple styles of elements to use
As well as sage mode AND So6P mode

If you think SSJ blue kaioken is a bs combination, naruto would blow ye away

THAT ASIDE


CVAnimation improved this time
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 28, 2016, 05:58:51 pm
Called it.

CVAnimation has 1 strike left with me before I just ignore his matches though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 28, 2016, 06:03:54 pm
What was wrong with this one?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 28, 2016, 06:12:54 pm
As cool as the fight is, animation is pretty... underwhelming. It's giving me Sector vs Fulgore vibes in terms of how the match went down.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 28, 2016, 06:14:58 pm
Jeez thats just offensive
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on September 28, 2016, 06:47:23 pm
eh i didn't mind it wasn't even that bad tbh lol im just glad ma boi Terry won
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 28, 2016, 06:50:54 pm
Urgh.. that was disgustingly disappointing.
They really need to start standardizing their research.... coz fuck if you gonna use the Fatal Fury Ova as your main base for Terry then clearly you arent doing your research properly. But yeah, called that shit....

Now what is with the "10 10 16 Everything changes" bit?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 28, 2016, 07:09:48 pm
I thought it was a Stranger Things ad, don't they use neon and are all 80's?  Haven't seen it yet, don't got Netflix.

Fight was one-sided, as presumed, but alright.  Not one of their best, not nearly one of their worsts.  Gotta work on that finale to it, though, ended too simple.  Funny to see Dan died again though.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: EveryonesKouhai on September 28, 2016, 08:02:54 pm
I knew that Terry was gonna win, but why do they use the ovas as research since they're non canon
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: TrinitroRoy on September 28, 2016, 09:32:29 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dumanios on September 28, 2016, 10:53:42 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on September 28, 2016, 10:55:27 pm
Evil Ken isn't a thing that actually exists, and Violent Ken is just brainwashed Ken which would have required Bison to interfere.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 28, 2016, 11:13:49 pm
Violent ken is orochi ken
Brainwashed ken didn't even do much anyway
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on September 28, 2016, 11:15:32 pm
Wow,All the cast of Street Fighter is dead,At least Blanka and Akuma survived., But we still have Alex or Elena or Urien or Ibuki etc
Also,I think Amy had to fight Dedede again.,Or anybody else?,I dunno.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on September 28, 2016, 11:21:08 pm
Violent ken is orochi ken
Brainwashed ken didn't even do much anyway

Wrong. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/jul/19/ken-has-grown-even-stronger-through-having-family-supports-him-ken-and-his-sinister-alter-ego-violent-ken-detailed-latest-sf5-profiles/)

There is no Orochi Ken.  There is no Evil Ken.  I think you guys have spent too much time with Mugen lol.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 28, 2016, 11:25:05 pm
Also,I think Amy had to fight Dedede again.,Or anybody else?,I dunno.
As they said in the video, Amy's opponent is not who you expect.  King Dedede is the expected opponent due to previous requests and DBX, so it's most likely not him.

So my guess it's someone else that like Amy represents at least one of these traits; small, annoying, pink, hammer proficiency, weakest of the good guys, kidnapped often or is a stalker.

Possibly Princess Peach?  Ties Sonic's girl to Mario's girl.  That last match with Peach against Zelda legit made me hate Princess Peach though, she had no chance to win.  Still a weird matchup against Amy, but not as much as Mewtwo and Shadow so could happen.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on September 28, 2016, 11:30:40 pm
Also,I think Amy had to fight Dedede again.,Or anybody else?,I dunno.
As they said in the video, Amy's opponent is not who you expect.  King Dedede is the expected opponent due to previous requests and DBX, so it's most likely not him.

So my guess it's someone else that like Amy represents at least one of these traits; small, annoying, pink, hammer proficiency, weakest of the good guys, kidnapped often or is a stalker.

Possibly Princess Peach?  Ties Sonic's girl to Mario's girl.  That last match with Peach against Zelda legit made me hate Princess Peach though, she had no chance to win.  Still a weird matchup against Amy, but not as much as Mewtwo and Shadow so could happen.

Hmm.Yup I agree with you,Perhaps the Princess B(CENSORED,REASON:SWEARING),I mean Peach would be her opponent
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Bea on September 29, 2016, 01:00:18 am
Ugh, that animation was terrible. A bit better than Sonia vs Cammy, but damn, still awful.
And I am growing really sick of this whole fight to the death gimmick that they and Super Power Beat Down use.
What is the problem to fight till KO instead? :|
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 29, 2016, 02:30:41 am
I'd suppose if you want to argue who'd win in a fight, you'd want to put it at its extreme and to the death is a certainty more conclusive than just knocking out.

While I'm not on board with Raiden killing Wolverine, make it just to a K.O. and you have a much wider selection of combatants that can just make Logan take a snooze instead of killing the popular unkillable mutant.  That said, when character morals come into play or murder just doesn't fit the fight description, it would be nice for a different bar to be set as to who wins, via just short of killing or indeed a simple knock out.  But that's not likely going to be Death Battle that does it, what with the name and all.

If there were another Goku vs Superman, and we're not still on the crazy train that Superman can do everything possible there is in existance so that Goku wins, I'd prefer it by draining Superman to the last of his strength, have the death blow open, then simply offer a hand and say "Good fight" or something to that extent.  Don't need to Spirit Bomb his very existence away or something like that.

Super Power Beat Down I don't have any excuse for, it's all up to them how they want the fights to play, as far as I know there's no rule other than majority of votes win.  Nightwing vs Winter Solider just seemed wrong, so I'll agree with you on them reeling it back a bit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on September 29, 2016, 03:47:04 am
Wow,All the cast of Street Fighter is dead,At least Blanka and Akuma survived., But we still have Alex or Elena or Urien or Ibuki etc
Also,I think Amy had to fight Dedede again.,Or anybody else?,I dunno.

seeing screwattack lately it's probably gonna be harleyquinn then i'm gonna stop watching their bullshit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Big Meme on September 29, 2016, 04:56:29 pm
My money's on Nora Valkyrie.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DelusionTrim on September 29, 2016, 05:09:46 pm
Man Street Fighter characters in general have the worst time in these Death Battles... I think only 2 characters have won so far out of like 6?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 29, 2016, 05:13:07 pm
Wow,All the cast of Street Fighter is dead,At least Blanka and Akuma survived., But we still have Alex or Elena or Urien or Ibuki etc
Akuma, blanka and zangeif
You gotta be manly to win a DB
Violent ken is orochi ken
Brainwashed ken didn't even do much anyway

Wrong. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/jul/19/ken-has-grown-even-stronger-through-having-family-supports-him-ken-and-his-sinister-alter-ego-violent-ken-detailed-latest-sf5-profiles/)

There is no Orochi Ken.  There is no Evil Ken.  I think you guys have spent too much time with Mugen lol.

Fucking...i cant find where it said it was ken with orochi shit in his system
Edit:
Found it
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Masters

"Violent Ken is an alternate version of Ken that appears in SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos. He is the result of Ken absorbing the Orochi power from the King of Fighters series. He was inspired by "Sennou Ken" (Brainwashed Ken in Japanese), which was depicted in Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie, during which M. Bison induced a large amount of Psycho Power to transform Ken into a killing machine"

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 29, 2016, 09:46:21 pm
Found it
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Masters

"Violent Ken is an alternate version of Ken that appears in SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos. He is the result of Ken absorbing the Orochi power from the King of Fighters series. He was inspired by "Sennou Ken" (Brainwashed Ken in Japanese), which was depicted in Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie, during which M. Bison induced a large amount of Psycho Power to transform Ken into a killing machine"
That is as canon to SF as the Fatal Fury Ovas making Terry a god is to the Fatal Fury games.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on September 29, 2016, 10:16:53 pm
What I linked is an official profile from Capcom's database, the SF wiki is fan run so it's not nearly as reputable.  I guess Violent Ken in SVC is supposed to have Orochi stuff the way Shin Akuma did in CVS2, but it doesn't change the fact that he's still brainwashed by Bison.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 30, 2016, 12:54:50 am
The same database that changed up ruby hearts bio? To fit the sf setting
They make their own takes on characters constantly, kinda weird how brainwashed ken in sfa wasn't a mindless screaming lunatic like violent ken was (and orochi iori\Leona)

But this is an endless debate, one Side my sources were there before sfv, and your source for the.... SNK crossovers take on an evil ken was officially done by capcom
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on September 30, 2016, 04:23:51 pm
There are CvS sprites of Ken, including custom made ones. But no, let's use SF3 sprites against CvS Terry. --;
He could have done the same for Sean. No, he had to use SF3 sprites and when they're all running he used CvS sprites pasting the SF3 head on the sprites. Sakura, Blanka and Dan I can excuse since their CvS spritesets are their rescaled SFA ones, but the other three I cannot.

The animation starts at 9:32 and ends at 11:55

I won't mind the puppet animation used at times, but these are other pet peeves of mine:
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: aznpikachu215 on September 30, 2016, 04:38:44 pm
since I got bored, I'll just end it in two hits"... what was even the point of showing Ken still alive at 11:45 if he gets murdered two/three seconds later? Ah yes, murdering, blood...
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Would you have been happy if the battle ended in a draw? Like Ken be going "Nice fight, here's your hat."

This fight was...meh. Whoever the sprite animator was, it's almost as if the animator didn't use the full potential of the fighters. It was okay, but it wasn't good either. Where's Terry's Rising Tackle? Power Pave? Power Geyser? Hell, BUSTER WOLF!
Ken's tatsumaki, shinryuken. etc So many unused potential moves. This is like watching UFC, only without special moves. Worst part is, they talked about all that and didn't use it, sure, you can say that the animator couldn't find the time to do it but c'mon. Also, if one of the animators did so many "Research" on Superman vs. Goku, why not do this for ALL the fights, and use it to their fullest extent? Whether a new animator or not, if you want to showcase your skills as an animator, especially sprites, which is a lost art right now, you want to put a lot of work into it. Like heck, the Ryu vs. Scorpion by Proxicide from so long ago, that's how sprite fights SHOULD be done. A fight like this makes me feel that this is half-assed. Again, no disrespect to the animator, I'm sure he/she is talented, but somewhere along the time, there is going to be constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on September 30, 2016, 05:02:17 pm
That was exactly what I meant.
No, it's not.
Why did you delete the post and reposted it again?

It could have been like this.
After the strange explosion from the ground wave, dust -> dust goes away -> only one man standing -> it's Terry -> Ken is lying on the ground, dead, covered in blood.
What's different? Ken is already dead when the dust goes away. I thought the explosion was the end of the fight, it would have made more sense in my opinion.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: aznpikachu215 on September 30, 2016, 05:40:58 pm
Starting to think flash animation is a lost art now. Heck, I've seen sprite fights on Newgrounds that are like half-assed and feels like its not completed. Same applies to whoever the animator is. If anything, the animator should have used more sprites, or use CVS Ken, I'm sure these two are friendly rivals, Screwattack made it seem like they hate each other.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DelusionTrim on September 30, 2016, 05:48:38 pm
To be fair even when they use custom made sprites it can be kinda screwed up... if I'm not mistaken for the Ryu vs Scorpion match they used SF3 sprites for Ryu, and when he turned to Evil Ryu they used Reu's sprites which are in SFA style... like why do that?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: aznpikachu215 on September 30, 2016, 06:00:12 pm
To be fair even when they use custom made sprites it can be kinda screwed up... if I'm not mistaken for the Ryu vs Scorpion match they used SF3 sprites for Ryu, and when he turned to Evil Ryu they used Reu's sprites which are in SFA style... like why do that?

Yeah, but with Mugen sprites, anything is possible, especially in animating it. Right?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on September 30, 2016, 06:10:40 pm
Maybe you're saying it in an ironic way but, if it's not, using different sprite sets hurts the consistency of the animation. If you have the resources use them correctly.

Going a little off topic now.
Maybe they're not Death Battles, but the ones you showed in your YT channel that come from bilibili... those are very good:
(0:33)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 30, 2016, 06:48:27 pm
There are CvS sprites of Ken, including custom made ones. But no, let's use SF3 sprites against CvS Terry. --;
He could have done the same for Sean. No, he had to use SF3 sprites and when they're all running he used CvS sprites pasting the SF3 head on the sprites. Sakura, Blanka and Dan I can excuse since their CvS spritesets are their rescaled SFA ones, but the other three I cannot.

The animation starts at 9:32 and ends at 11:55

I won't mind the puppet animation used at times, but these are other pet peeves of mine:
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I think ben scripts the animation, so scenes like the death and such should be passed onto ben instead of jetz himself
Like chad(Boomstick) said in one of their post DB streams that they chose the way a fight should end (bringing up how he originally intended red to hug charizard and cry before being incinerated)
I imagine they have a list of things the animator should put in their fights, like ken had to look fucked up to show strong willpower mentioned in the summary etc

Also dan "dying" shouldnt be a reason to hate the animation

Idk much about CVAnimations projects outside of screwattacks stuff since its usually a dorkly style sketch but this was heaps better than his sonya vs cammy
As if he took notes from past animators works from animation style, comedic taste and use(the "my leg" thing usually seems like a maple story animator thing), music(sure im not ok with the re use of jungle theme, but its the kind of music torrian would use)
Heck even camera angles were improved from his last DB as sonya and cammy sometimes looked like cutouts or portraits etc

It may not be hyper guage level but it sure as hell isnt animation rewind level like its being made out to be

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As you're right with potential. I gotta stop you for the examples, the animations you mentioned were long as hell and had no deadline
With Screwattack trying its best to make do from their loss of the hyper guage crew, they have to bust out the animators they DO have

I myself dont know how long they're given in regards of time but, the last two animations of jetz are only 1 episode apart with the tracer scout fight in the middle
Its not like they can shift easily between animators like they could when they had hyper guage (mali, zack, chris tyler, aquila, etc plus torrian and co along side giving each animator enough time to finish and touch up their fights)
when you put the fact that he and the other db animators have limited with the fact that their level of skill differ, it isnt hard to realize that they're being milked dry

Best example imo of a worn out result is joker vs sweet tooth
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on September 30, 2016, 07:17:51 pm
Improved or not, he still has a long way to go.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 30, 2016, 07:30:11 pm
Without a doubt, but SA generally need more good DB animators
Cant milk their current ones to death (updated my previous post )
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 30, 2016, 09:21:11 pm
What is it with you defending SA so badly?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: aznpikachu215 on September 30, 2016, 09:28:21 pm

As you're right with potential. I gotta stop you for the examples, the animations you mentioned were long as hell and had no deadline
With Screwattack trying its best to make do from their loss of the hyper guage crew, they have to bust out the animators they DO have

I myself dont know how long they're given in regards of time but, the last two animations of jetz are only 1 episode apart with the tracer scout fight in the middle
Its not like they can shift easily between animators like they could when they had hyper guage (mali, zack, chris tyler, aquila, etc plus torrian and co along side giving each animator enough time to finish and touch up their fights)
when you put the fact that he and the other db animators have limited with the fact that their level of skill differ, it isnt hard to realize that they're being milked dry

Best example imo of a worn out result is joker vs sweet tooth

Wait, they had a team leaving Screwattack? I didn't know that. I just thought they look for animators for that specific time.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on September 30, 2016, 09:36:28 pm
There was a group of animators that worked with them but quit because they were treated badly (ie they weren't getting paid, or not enough). They made their channel (Hyper Gauge) and they're now hosted by Hyun's Dojo.

I think ben scripts the animation, so scenes like the death and such should be passed onto ben instead of jetz himself
Like chad(Boomstick) said in one of their post DB streams that they chose the way a fight should end (bringing up how he originally intended red to hug charizard and cry before being incinerated)
I imagine they have a list of things the animator should put in their fights, like ken had to look fucked up to show strong willpower mentioned in the summary etc

Also dan "dying" shouldnt be a reason to hate the animation
I get that, but at least make it more cinematic, like them exchanging some final blows, charging their real final attack and falling down with one dead or something. The end looks rushed, that's all I'm saying. Either end it at the explosion part or finish it with another supermove.
I realize the fights don't always have to end with a super move, but it's like playing a fighting game and do a match: you do the supermove, the enemy is at 1% of health and you kill him with a light punch. What's the fun?
Again, just sharing my point of view here, they're free to do whatever, even do like what I just described.

I don't hate the animation, in itself it's average, not bad but there's room for improvement.
And why can't I list Dan dying as something I find negative? It's not like he's always stupid, so he could have run away with the others. He has the sprites to do so.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 30, 2016, 10:14:25 pm
What is it with you defending SA so badly?
Not even close, i just said its not really the animators faults that they're getting rushed as hell
If anything my point is against SA
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2016, 01:22:25 am
Amy Rose's opponent has been revealed. (https://twitter.com/ScrewAttack/status/781961796600995840)

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Kirishima on October 01, 2016, 01:29:46 am
Jmorphman help us out here it's been years since I read any of this.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2016, 01:41:08 am
Here's looking forward to them at least getting the best game soundtrack there is to use for this next fight.
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on October 01, 2016, 02:05:30 am
are they actually going to use sonic boom amy instead of fan-girl amy?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 01, 2016, 02:07:49 am
It's just a picture for the poster, it'll be a fusion of all interpretations of Amy, as with Knuckles when they showed his Sonic Boom characteristics.  Case in point, I think they will likely throw in the likes of Hyper Mode from Sonic the Fighters, before she turned modern.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 01, 2016, 01:13:33 pm
are they actually going to use sonic boom amy instead of fan-girl amy?

well every fucking sonic character is put through a stipulation in death battles
Sonic - power ups, super sonic and games
Tails - side games, comic, no power ups or super
eggman-  cartoon and games
shadow- just chaos power and super shadow
knuckles- just sonic boom and sonic x....no power ups or hyper knuckles

if ben likes amy they'll give her more feats, if not, she aint winning.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 01, 2016, 04:15:33 pm
Bruiser Battle


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on October 01, 2016, 04:38:00 pm
well that was badass not gonna lie i was fine with either winning i dont like Broly that much still a great fight
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on October 02, 2016, 01:13:15 am
Wow,All the cast of Street Fighter is dead,At least Blanka and Akuma survived., But we still have Alex or Elena or Urien or Ibuki etc
Akuma, blanka and zangeif
You gotta be manly to win a DB
Violent ken is orochi ken
Brainwashed ken didn't even do much anyway

Wrong. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/jul/19/ken-has-grown-even-stronger-through-having-family-supports-him-ken-and-his-sinister-alter-ego-violent-ken-detailed-latest-sf5-profiles/)

There is no Orochi Ken.  There is no Evil Ken.  I think you guys have spent too much time with Mugen lol.

Fucking...i cant find where it said it was ken with orochi shit in his system
Edit:
Found it
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Masters

"Violent Ken is an alternate version of Ken that appears in SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos. He is the result of Ken absorbing the Orochi power from the King of Fighters series. He was inspired by "Sennou Ken" (Brainwashed Ken in Japanese), which was depicted in Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie, during which M. Bison induced a large amount of Psycho Power to transform Ken into a killing machine"



Ooops,I forgot Zangief also survived a DB
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on October 05, 2016, 03:11:26 pm
Amy Rose Stalks Into DEATH BATTLE!

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 05, 2016, 11:34:08 pm
So I've been reading Scott Pilgrim again, and while Ramona is, like, 10 times a better character than Amy, her feats don't help her much.  The best I'm getting is that she can chance a magic door to appear just when its needed to go wherever she wants and one time at an art museum, she effortlessly pulled out a metal hand rail from a wall to deflect Knives'...knives, which puts her in superhuman strength levels.  But this was in comedic fashion, as is many of Scott Pilgrim's battles.  Where things take a more realistic tone in day by day activities, the next page a vegan uppercuts Scott into space and he land back down in a few seconds more dazed and annoyed he missed.

I mean, if we take that stuff into account and pass it on to everyone, as the game implies, then yeah, I guess she's durable to get thrown through an entire school, brick walls and all, but also weak enough to be stabbed by sharp objects.  And no outside help bans her from the whole sword of love thing she got with Scott's help at the end of the series, unless they just give it to her anyways because she's already achieved it, but the speed disadvantage really plays against anything she can do.  Maybe an intelligence boost in that Amy is, what, 14?  And kind of a lovestruck idiot?  But I still don't see Ramona winning.  Which sucks.

Ramona may know of Amy though, as the series is fully aware of actual video games, Scott himself apparently being addicted to Sonic 3.  And stuff like cheat codes and save points work in their reality as well, but also for comedic effect rather than integral to fights, so I dunno, can she just, like, turn on God Mode or something?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 06, 2016, 02:52:31 pm
scott pilgrim and his friends were the gamers, i don't think ramona was one of them

Amy's character was upgraded hugely in the sonic boom series but again.....all sonic characters are put through some random pick and mix of info in death battle

is she able to triple jump and shit like she did in sonic boom?
can she fight like she could in advance/heroes and sonic fighters
or are they only giving her just the speed and hammer?
is ANYTHING related to archie gonna be brought up?
they deliberately pick out info they want to use instead of all of it
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 07, 2016, 03:17:31 am
She wasn't with them, no, but she's fairly nerdy.  Everyone is, it's a nerdy series about adult life, Nintendo and casual sex.  Heck, she has a hammer of smiting girls +2.

I can't imagine any significant way triple jumping would help, given the acrobatics people pull off in Scott Pilgrim, but I'd also imagine they're giving her that training in kickboxing she got but avoid the Archie comics.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 09, 2016, 03:06:01 pm
This was going to happen sooner or later.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 09, 2016, 03:08:42 pm
Same level as saitama vs kenshiro
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on October 09, 2016, 03:17:03 pm
im shocked they let an anime character win...that being said i was rooting for Spidey lol
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on October 09, 2016, 03:54:59 pm
0:45 wtf is that? is she suppose to be running, jogging or briskly walking?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 10, 2016, 02:10:24 am
Don't question bad animation
I'm surprised SA let alone torrian was ok with this
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 12, 2016, 05:49:00 pm
Info dump

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 12, 2016, 08:53:33 pm
eye opener as it is, they're gonna kill off amy unless they give her comic info as well
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 13, 2016, 12:07:11 am
Yeah, see, none of that's going to help Ramona if they're touting that Amy moves at 700 MPH.  They didn't get to the point to factor in she gets impaled and shrugs it off, pulling people into Subspace and do whatever she wants as long as they're in her head or that the Sword of Love has healing powers, but if you can't even touch the opponent, it's all useless.  Maybe they'll give Amy the downgrade in intelligence her earlier appearances provided, but I've heard she's as smart as Tails in that Sonic Boom show nor a psycho stalker, apparently.

I still 100% want Ramona to win though.  Reading through everything again just for this episode, though, I'm a tad bit bias.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 14, 2016, 06:14:51 am
In the boom cartoon ,sonic likes her and not the other way around so shes the smart n responsible one while tails is smart in the stereotypically nerdy way
Watch SA leave that out as well
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on October 15, 2016, 04:12:18 pm
Hmmmm.. are they going for an over-arcing story here?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 16, 2016, 08:55:22 pm
The silhouettes in the credits are ken and Paul
That's the next match I guess
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on October 19, 2016, 03:10:41 pm
New DB's out.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 19, 2016, 03:33:42 pm
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Neat animation(dude who did ryu vs lucario) noice use of colours.....though there were better choices of songs
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 19, 2016, 08:46:29 pm
Oh hey, a good animation from SA. I almost forgot what that felt like. Great all around and I agree with the outcome.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 19, 2016, 11:27:50 pm
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So yeah, it was as I predicted, and I'm annoyed it turned out exactly like that.  Good first impression to Scott Pilgrim, Screw Attack.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on October 20, 2016, 01:15:05 am

What a curious choice to use as music for the fight. I mean, they could've used music from either side, but instead they went with Touhou :s
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dreams In Stardust on October 20, 2016, 04:09:58 am
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At least it wasn't anything like the Ken and Terry fight, IMO.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on October 22, 2016, 01:05:09 am
I looked at the comments at their video,It seems any people is happy after they announced Hulk is coming to fight a Death Battle
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 22, 2016, 01:24:39 am
True... A lot of people are hoping for a Hulk vs. Doomsday battle (same here, BTW). There were also mentions of Hulk vs. Broly but OMM already did that and, if you ask me, Broly could easily outclass The Hulk in pure strength alone.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 22, 2016, 02:12:56 am
Broly's...weird.  Besides being non-canon in his entirety, his powers are ill-defined in the movies he's present in, and there's a lot of presumptions abound for him.  What gets classified as canon and not for a completely non-canon character is a hard process to go through.  For example, he's apparently mostly physically immune to, well, anything.  Kamehameha that can destroy solar-system level Cell is completely ineffective.  But due to his scar in his pecs at a young age, hitting precisely there would completely undo him.  Hulk's hand is considerably bigger than that tiny spot Goku managed to hit, so can Hulk even exploit that with, like, vibrations from his hits at such a gargantuan level when his strength just keeps growing?  And there's the whole getting killed by a simple star, which Goku's Kamehameha should far outclass in damage done by the sun.  Was it the sun that opened up his wound, or that Family Kamehameha attack?  Neither really makes sense, it was just a nice way to end the fight.

Then there's the whole preference as to what the hell Ki is anyways.  It seems like hard light almost, but it gives off heat as with young Gohan using it to cook food and the heat waves given off from Goku and Vegeta's first fight.  And how Broly can apparently survive in space when Dragon Ball has been annoyingly back and forth with how yes, Saiyans can to no, Saiyans can't.  I guess you can rule it out due to Legendary status just giving him immunity...somehow.

I mean, I'd enjoy it if Broly beat Hulk, but he's such a mess of a character it'd be hard to defend either position.  Also, it's Dragon Ball Z, and this is Screw Attack, so...he gonna die.  I'd put my money on Doomsday being the other contestant.

Actually, something on Broly that I'm curious now on the Hulk, Broly runs on DBZ Ki logic, thus the higher it goes, the higher ALL their stats go besides intelligence.  Besides some minor differences in the Ginyu force, higher power level = stronger, faster and more durable.  For Hulk, the angrier he gets we all know the stronger he gets, but does he actually get more durable to match hits from something else growing in power?  I don't believe he gets faster, so he's of course level at fairly low speeds but he has to so he can survive planet busting.  Does he ever hit a cap in survivability?  Regen powers hit their end, a punch finally gets too strong for him to withstand, something like that?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 22, 2016, 03:44:14 pm
his scar has never been the case of him dying in the two games, his first death was a concentrated blow to the gut from goku (who had to take vegetas, trunks, picollos and gohans energy and power to do so)
his second death came from a family kamehameha by goku, gohan and goten.

Bio broly is a clone so he doesn't count

Saiyans can survive in space, the bardock vs frieza scene took place there and so did goku vs beerus.

Since it is non canon, its not really clear when they fought broly being before cell or after... Broly could kill hulk though, unless hulk survived planet busting attacks
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lichtbringer on October 22, 2016, 04:54:45 pm
If the next one is a Hulk vs Doomsday battle, the outcome would probably depend on how much motivated the Hulk is, if it's just a Doomsday attacks Hulk and thats it, than the chances are almost 50/50, but if something happends like Doomsday hurts or kills one of Hulks friends, then Hulk would obliterate Doomsday because of a rage boost I guess.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 23, 2016, 05:44:40 am
The scar on his chest is where Goku punched him, where otherwise he's immune to harm, hence why I say it's the cause of his first loss as well as his second leading to his death, as his green guts somehow start exploding out of it in the sun.  The borrowed power was just necessary to even harm him at all, what with Goku's power dwindling.

And the whole Saiyans surviving space has evidence of them surviving just in plain old space like Bardock matching Frieza, yeah, but also them dying as with Blue Vegeta surviving Frieza blowing up Earth but not lasting without oxygen in Resurrection F.  Sure wasn't near empty on power Frieza overpowering him with that blast or just the planet exploding.  It's up to the situation at hand as to if they get to fly around in space or not.  I don't recall where the theory came from, but I was always partial to the idea that they just create oxygen with their ki similar to Green Lantern, since ki does anything else they want.  It's pretty much the Force really.

Timeline-wise Broly took place in the wait after Cell became complete and announced his Cell Games but they had not started yet.  Biggest hole in why it had to be non-canon was just that everyone was relaxing at the time, instead of just Goku and Gohan learning to master the default Super Saiyan form by chilling out, if I recall correctly.  So being Cell could be obliterated by a full power Super Saiyan and Broly could not, lets presume he's around SSJ2-ish levels in power when just entering the Legendary state, yeah?  Would match to his credentials of destroying part of the galaxy for fun.  It seems to me he way outclasses Hulk for way too long before Hulk gets a chance to gain an even footing in power, even if Broly toys with him.

I never cared for Doomsday exceedingly, so fill me in where I'm wrong.  So the concept behind him that I get is that while he suffers many "deaths", it's in the way of Wolverine in that he can heal back from anything that seems to put him down, but more broken in special abilities is that he gains an immunity to that form of death.  When punched to death, he becomes immune to physical forces.  When heat blasted, he no longer is affected by heat sources.  Maybe Hulk can accidentally twist that to his advantage by super clapping him to death, causing Doomsday to go deaf but beyond that Hulk's means of destruction are fairly limited, just ridiculous in scope of power behind them.  So splat Doomsday a few times, he becomes immune to anything Hulk can do then it no longer matters how strong Hulk gets when Doomsday becomes an immovable object.  How then Doomsday would kill him though I dunno, does his strength grow too?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 23, 2016, 01:20:08 pm
The scar on his chest is where Goku punched him, where otherwise he's immune to harm, hence why I say it's the cause of his first loss as well as his second leading to his death, as his green guts somehow start exploding out of it in the sun.  The borrowed power was just necessary to even harm him at all, what with Goku's power dwindling.

And the whole Saiyans surviving space has evidence of them surviving just in plain old space like Bardock matching Frieza, yeah, but also them dying as with Blue Vegeta surviving Frieza blowing up Earth but not lasting without oxygen in Resurrection F.  Sure wasn't near empty on power Frieza overpowering him with that blast or just the planet exploding.  It's up to the situation at hand as to if they get to fly around in space or not.  I don't recall where the theory came from, but I was always partial to the idea that they just create oxygen with their ki similar to Green Lantern, since ki does anything else they want.  It's pretty much the Force really.

Timeline-wise Broly took place in the wait after Cell became complete and announced his Cell Games but they had not started yet.  Biggest hole in why it had to be non-canon was just that everyone was relaxing at the time, instead of just Goku and Gohan learning to master the default Super Saiyan form by chilling out, if I recall correctly.  So being Cell could be obliterated by a full power Super Saiyan and Broly could not, lets presume he's around SSJ2-ish levels in power when just entering the Legendary state, yeah?  Would match to his credentials of destroying part of the galaxy for fun.  It seems to me he way outclasses Hulk for way too long before Hulk gets a chance to gain an even footing in power, even if Broly toys with him.

although doomsday was confirmed, a lot of the broly talk had me rewatch the movie, he never had a visible scar. goku literally punched a hole in him then blew him up by sending a blast at the same point. so it'd take enough raw power in one concentrated point to take him out.

though i tend to scale villains based on how many people it took to beat them, broly is insanely strong in the sense that, if he were to 1 v 1 SSJ2 goku he'd be around equal terms or ever so slightly have the upper advantage.

that aside

this dude busted his ass on a new sprite fight

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 23, 2016, 05:37:42 pm
The scar was, like, in his pecs.  Why bother showing the importance of it before in the movie if they wouldn't capitalize on it later?  That was his weak point.  I haven't rewatched the movie, but didn't they flashback when Goku hit there to even show that's where he was stabbed with a knife as a baby?

Anyways, new DBX.


Not two I care for, but hell of a lot better animation this time, if completely shown up by that previous one you just posted.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 23, 2016, 07:27:37 pm


as you can see, no scar
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 24, 2016, 12:22:48 am
Hm, I thought they flashbacked to the whole stabbing him bit when Goku punched there.  I still stand by that's why hitting there worked at all, but whatever.  Yes, the thing's not visible, I guess that does kinda defeat the point of a scar, but otherwise it's just illogical why Goku won, Gohan at a higher level than shown here couldn't do much of anything later on.  And yes, logic over something this dumb, yadda yadda.

Anyways, since the confirmation wasn't actually linked before, yeah Hulk's fighting Doomsday (https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4Su_xAtsr/).

So I guess all this Broly talk's pointless anyways.  Ah well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on October 24, 2016, 12:39:09 am
glad its finally happening , its one of the most requested DB
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 24, 2016, 01:26:16 pm
it was spammed up the ass along with sackboy vs maxwell and maka vs ruby, by a couple kids

these vocal minority made sure that they'd post their "suggestion" in every screwattack video ever
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lichtbringer on October 24, 2016, 05:57:22 pm
I never cared for Doomsday exceedingly, so fill me in where I'm wrong.  So the concept behind him that I get is that while he suffers many "deaths", it's in the way of Wolverine in that he can heal back from anything that seems to put him down, but more broken in special abilities is that he gains an immunity to that form of death.  When punched to death, he becomes immune to physical forces.  When heat blasted, he no longer is affected by heat sources.  Maybe Hulk can accidentally twist that to his advantage by super clapping him to death, causing Doomsday to go deaf but beyond that Hulk's means of destruction are fairly limited, just ridiculous in scope of power behind them.  So splat Doomsday a few times, he becomes immune to anything Hulk can do then it no longer matters how strong Hulk gets when Doomsday becomes an immovable object.  How then Doomsday would kill him though I dunno, does his strength grow too?

Yes Doomsday's strengh grows after he is resurected too, but he can also be killed to a point where he can't be resurected without outside help. 

Imperiex did this once, he blasted him so hard that afaik nothing of him was left except his Skeleton, and Doomsday was not able to regenerate from that, Lex Luther had to resurrect him in a laboratory with Kryptonian cells after this death.

The thing with Hulk is that he can become Superman Prime levels of strong if not Stronger under specific circumstances, where he does ridiculous things like breaking space-time continuum with physical force and things like that if my sources are right.^^

So if they use Hulk at his maximun, then he could hit Doomsday probably with enough raw force that his Atoms explode or something like that, and not enough from him his left to regenerade.

On the other hand Doomsday just have to kill Hulk before he is at his maximum, soo who ever wins some fans will be Angry. xD
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 24, 2016, 07:54:06 pm
How long was the process for Hulk to get that strong?  I may be mixing different versions of Superman, having not read them in some time but as I recall, Superman Prime took a few centuries, 700 years or something like that, curled up in a sun for him to hit his maximum.  If we're talking anything longer than 5 minutes, Hulk's dead.

Not that I don't know it's not good for my health and sanity to question comic book logic, but...how can he recover from anything, but not a skeleton?  And this Imperiex, did he kill Doomsday with a method he died to before?  That's the key factor here, as so it stands he's still immune to anything he died to before, that ability can't be surpassed.  If he did, then Hulk may take the win.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: The Boss on October 24, 2016, 11:37:22 pm
This DBX was awesome,I like how Jotaro blew him with so many punches in stopped time
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Post by: Lichtbringer on October 25, 2016, 12:05:26 am
How long was the process for Hulk to get that strong?  I may be mixing different versions of Superman, having not read them in some time but as I recall, Superman Prime took a few centuries, 700 years or something like that, curled up in a sun for him to hit his maximum.  If we're talking anything longer than 5 minutes, Hulk's dead.

Not that I don't know it's not good for my health and sanity to question comic book logic, but...how can he recover from anything, but not a skeleton?  And this Imperiex, did he kill Doomsday with a method he died to before?  That's the key factor here, as so it stands he's still immune to anything he died to before, that ability can't be surpassed.  If he did, then Hulk may take the win.

To be fair I don't now what triggerd Hulk to become that strong, and Imperiex used some kind of energie blast, I don't know if it was ever stated what kind of energy he is using, but that means that Doomsday can only adapt to that specific kind of energy that killed him and not any kind of energy at once, since he was killed by green latern energy, and could not be killed with that again.

I think you mean the Golden Superman, I mean the Superboy from the Prime earth that became Evil Superman in the Chrisis etc.

And I havend read a comic in ages, maybe I'm mixing stuff up too. =/
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 25, 2016, 03:26:23 pm
Oh hey, Batinthesun waited way too damn long for an alternate ending video.





As far as that DBX match is concerned, Yu Narukami can kill Gods. Can Jotaro?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 25, 2016, 03:54:17 pm
He was at his strongest in part 3, and since then had to ge nerfed to make the others look better.
Time freezing and slight was a bit op when you think about it
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Post by: Erroratu on October 25, 2016, 04:28:18 pm
As far as that DBX match is concerned, Yu Narukami can kill Gods. Can Jotaro?
Yu is weak as fuck tho,canonically among the weaker protagonists of Persona
Plus he can't use his powers outside the tv anyway,so if research was actually done,he'd be running away for most of the fight
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 25, 2016, 05:33:04 pm
As far as that DBX match is concerned, Yu Narukami can kill Gods. Can Jotaro?
Yu is weak as fuck tho,canonically among the weaker protagonists of Persona
Plus he can't use his powers outside the tv anyway,so if research was actually done,he'd be running away for most of the fight

I'm gonna need some sources on that.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 25, 2016, 06:06:48 pm
He was at his strongest in part 3, and since then had to ge nerfed to make the others look better.
Time freezing and slight was a bit op when you think about it

He got nerfed OVER Part 3

We're supposed to consider the prison cell and the D'arby duel the original clues to Star Platinum's true ability, but all the stuff Jotaro has in his cell at the beginning could not possibly have been within the given range of his stand

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on October 26, 2016, 03:32:55 pm
skip to 0:25 for Hulk

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 26, 2016, 05:29:03 pm
tbh, im not really hyped for this as i dont really like either character
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 29, 2016, 05:11:55 pm
The silhouettes in the credits are ken and Paul
That's the next match I guess


eyup

Clever how they got paul and ken moving and fighting in their respective game style( kens dashing and parrying, pauls running and juggling)

ok, next match up is Joseph joestar young vs edward elric
i know fuck all about FMA

whats edward got against a tommy gun, a barrage of grenades, extremely good battle strategy(with plan Bs) and the power of hamon?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dreams In Stardust on October 29, 2016, 06:11:32 pm
Edward's prowess with alchemy can have him manipulate pretty much any object at any given time; creating weapons, obstacles and whatnot just out of the environment, as well as making blades on his artificial arm. He's also really competent in hand-to-hand combat, being trained at a young age. He's also pretty intelligent, and carries a good amount of focus in his combat situations.

It'll be interesting to see what they'll come up with on this fight, really.  :D
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 30, 2016, 06:03:00 am
I'm more adept with Edward knowledge than Joseph, mainly because I know jack about him.  So of those examples, guns are fairly useless.  Not in that they can't hurt or kill Edward, just there'll never be a chance, Ed's got easy cover anywhere there's tangible solid ground, and he's a quick little bugger.  Same for grenades, heck, Edward can even just make cannons the size of houses shooting whatever's around condensed into a cannon shots, so he's got the bigger explosives.  Strategy, Ed's both laid down some complex convoluted plans pretending to lose his temper when called short when it was all just a ruse....as well as just lost his temper over being called short and abandoned a great plan.  So eh, either way.  Joseph probably has the strength advantage just by being older and bigger, but Edward specializes specifically in fighting people bigger and tougher than him, he spars with his suit of armor of a brother in martial arts.

Judging solely from Joseph's wiki page I just brought up, it sounds like Edward's more than capable of handling him, especially as Joseph specializes in stage magic and Edward makes it a habit to show up the folly of magic and misdirection and easily sees through such things.  But as I understand it, Jojo has some sort of rule where it's impossible to detect Stands unless you own one yourself, no magic or science can track them.  But then again, this is OMM, so who cares.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Foobs on October 30, 2016, 06:42:17 am
Joseph attacks can go through solid walls and steel. His fighting stye relies on turning insignificant objects like Coca Cola caps or soap bubbles into weapons, and turn weapons like crossbows into lethal weapons that can take down literal giants, so he isn't any less resourceful than Edward. Same style also demands an insane physical condition to master it, so he must be both stronger and more nimble than Edward. Oh, and it can also expel regular poisons and heal his injuries to a degree.

That silhouette matches the younger Joseph from Battle Tendency. He didn't discover hermit purple until late in his life, so he can't use his stand at that stage (but then again it's OMM so fuck research).

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 30, 2016, 01:04:09 pm
my comment didn't post, but yeah. what he said

fighting a suit of armour isn't a good comparison since..... joseph fought the pillarmen....
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 30, 2016, 07:18:38 pm
soap bubbles into weapons
???

So what, Pokémon's Bubblebeam, they're so compressed with air they explode violently when popped or something?

I'm sure they have reason to see it a fair fight between the two.  Just seems Edward has more going for me.  I mean, yeah, punching giants might beat out taking on a suit of armor given life, but then Edward punched out God.  Sorta.  Either way, being OMM it don't matter much, just if there were research put into it I'd imagine Ed's got the advantage, especially if Joseph apparently doesn't get his stand.  But wouldn't be surprised if Ed lost, Jojo supposedly goes through some crazy stuff.  Be like Kenshin's match, having one-off appearances from other slightly less popular anime characters lose when they show, matching them up to someone similar in another series who's not nearly as important but stronger in their universe.

Not exactly Cell versus that Hunter x Hunter guy who died from a bomb power difference here.


Anyways, so that happened.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 30, 2016, 08:37:37 pm
animation rewind did theirs, now DBX
and Hyperguage are spriting theirs

thats 3 trump vs clinton sprites fights

also @long john killer....... him beating god...... is a good feat.....but kars.... its hard to explain everything joseph can do and his wins
just watch jojo pls
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dreams In Stardust on November 01, 2016, 11:54:41 pm
Well, with the Pillar Men, it was less about absolute direct confrontations 100% of the time, and more about Joseph trying to dick around with them all and finding the best way to deal with them without getting himself killed. Heck, half of the stuff in the final confrontation was situational dumb luck. :P

I won't discredit Joseph's physical prowess, he's pretty strong! But his fights with the Pillar Men were more displays of his intelligence and cunning than actual strength. If we were taking actual research into account, rather than it just being a flashy animation with cool stuff going on, then I'd say that if it wasn't gonna be a tie, then I could see Edward coming out due to the sheer potential he has of being able to use pretty much anything around him for offensive/defensive purposes.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Foobs on November 02, 2016, 12:42:51 am
soap bubbles into weapons
???

So what, Pokémon's Bubblebeam, they're so compressed with air they explode violently when popped or something?
No, they're regular bubbles that just happen to be imbued with energy. Hamon practitioners can do that with pretty much everything: wine, scarves, roses, clackers and even spaghetti and penne.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: supa2520 on November 02, 2016, 01:20:30 am
skip to 0:25 for Hulk

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57z3WDqO3pA[/youtube]

oh yea i requested hulk vs doomsday fight to screw attack many times im glad to see this death battle happening
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Post by: D.R.B on November 02, 2016, 02:44:34 pm
Doomsday
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 02, 2016, 11:08:10 pm
No, they're regular bubbles that just happen to be imbued with energy. Hamon practitioners can do that with pretty much everything: wine, scarves, roses, clackers and even spaghetti and penne.
Doesn't sound too far off from Scar's physical deconstruction of matter, runs alchemical energy through anything he touches, but instead lets it deteriorate into its base elements rather than explode.  Hm, but Ed never did beat Scar, did he?  I'd have to re-read the series to be sure.  He of course had his initial encounter when Scar was killing every bloody person with some relation to a state alchemist where Ed lost, but I don't remember if they fought again after that.  Scar kept fairly to himself after reuniting with his people.

Anyways, yeah, Doomsday, sad story, woo.  If they're going for a single death counts, which I doubt because why even bother with Doomsday, who's ability is based on dying and returning, but if they do then yeah, Hulk.  Otherwise until more information they choose to use that they bring up after the fight is shown, and no example of increasing strength surpasses Doomsday's immunities gained from death, then Doomsday is forced to win when Hulk runs out of means to attempt to kill him permanently.  See how that turns out in a week, then.  Maybe that story where Hulk apparently punched a universe into being or whatever that the chat likes to bring up means Hulk is a magic reality warper who manifests his powers through punching or something stupid like that and he can ignore Doomsday's ability.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on November 09, 2016, 03:11:55 pm
You know the drill.

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 09, 2016, 03:41:24 pm
MY GOD IT FELT LIKE I WAS PLAYING MADWORLD, THAT DEATH WAS AMAZING

oh.... no one posted the recent hyper guage video....



as for next time.... i already dont care
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dumanios on November 09, 2016, 03:47:02 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on November 09, 2016, 03:55:14 pm
its actually good. except for that weird pumping thing hulk and doomsday do.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 09, 2016, 07:22:30 pm
Aw, I don't care about the next guy either.  Drat.  Well, at least they got the right winner here and it was a good fight...if through odd means of explaining how the brain processes anger to explain the win.  Also all those poor gummi bear people Doomsday killed at the beginning.

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Post by: BurningSoul on November 09, 2016, 07:59:35 pm
Wow,this result was good,but  Banner successfully treated his condition with radiation and was able to maintain enough of his own personality when he became the Hulk to control himself in that form for a short period of time.

It's sad that they used MVC3 model of Hulk,it looked pretty bad.


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on November 09, 2016, 10:57:52 pm
regardless of the result, this was the best death battle i've seen so far,honestly I think they should have saved it to be the final epo of this season of DB
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on November 12, 2016, 09:59:57 am
Zolo's opponent has been revealed:

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on November 12, 2016, 10:25:20 am
I would've paired him up against Date Masamune.
Both use multiple swords.. both have a temper and they share the same seiyuu.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 12, 2016, 01:31:18 pm
First had to look up who even was the other opponent, and after doing so I get the initial feeling I'm not going to like the character at all.  But then I don't like Zolo either so yeah.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 12, 2016, 05:47:26 pm
Dunno what your sources were... but its not very accurate.
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Post by: Foobs on November 12, 2016, 07:06:19 pm
Quote
ZOLO
goddamit people
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 12, 2016, 09:33:25 pm
ok im skipping that death battle
i hate both one piece and fairy tail


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as for next time
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Duos.act on November 12, 2016, 09:50:12 pm
So I guess what I learned from this thread is that everyone hates every manga series unless it's DBZ or Jojo.  That's about what I expected.

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It's OMM, no research.  They could have Batman doing DBZ attacks for all they want.  It's not meant to be an accurate simulation.
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Post by: BurningSoul on November 12, 2016, 09:52:04 pm

as for next time
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well,I think  they will  make fight fair because its no research? right?
If it was researched Batman would lose in any circumstances unless he used his Godly Armor,the armor he used to beat Darkseid
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 12, 2016, 10:02:44 pm
So I guess what I learned from this thread is that everyone hates every manga series unless it's DBZ or Jojo.  That's about what I expected.
It's OMM, no research.  They could have Batman doing DBZ attacks for all they want.  It's not meant to be an accurate simulation.
SAO, one piece and fairy tale are the only series i give no shits for
everything else is alright, heck even naruto is aight in my books

You could have had a researchless sprite fight with made up moves.....but i dont think they'd repeat the dante vs ragna omm

also just remembered this is batmans second OMM
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 13, 2016, 12:10:17 am
So I guess what I learned from this thread is that everyone hates every manga series unless it's DBZ or Jojo.  That's about what I expected.
More most things post-2000, as I find it.  Most things that've caught my interest either didn't quite live up to my hopes but were passable or else continuations of things I already like but with some annoying changes (Blue Super Saiyans now?  Really?).  Also scratch off Jojo, that series just looks...bad.  Evidently some enjoy it, though, but I'll pass.  Perhaps it's unfair to ask for the new Bebop, GitS or Akira, but maybe I'm just spoiled in that way.

And I know it's commonly Zoro, I just remember Zolo from Shonen Jump better for some reason.  I'll shut up with the Zolo if it's annoying though.

Anyways, eh to the new OMM.  Don't agree but whatever, was animated nicely.  Batman vs Iron Man next, I'd normally say Iron Man easily but his DB victory still bugs me so haves Bats destroy him with his hellsuit or something.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 13, 2016, 04:27:42 pm


...would you look at that... a good DBX after another good dbx
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on November 16, 2016, 03:27:29 pm
Original character

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 16, 2016, 11:27:05 pm
Huh.  I thought that girl he grew up with was the broke antique sword admirer who worked for Smoker, alive and kicking.  And Mihawk apparently went from being a hawk-person to Dracula.  I don't know One Piece any more, it seems.

Well, if I remember right, Mihawk both had strength to cut down a castle sized giant in one blow and bat back cannonballs with his sword.  Presuming Zoro does the same by now?  Erza's wiki page still doesn't leave me with much confidence on her winning beyond that one disarming skill, so I'm sticking with moss head.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Foobs on November 16, 2016, 11:55:18 pm
After two decades of powercreep even Tashigi (Kuina's lookalike) can split cannonballs, and she's still well below Zoro's level. He can cut mountains now.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 17, 2016, 12:21:05 am
...A lookalike?  Really?  They bothered having this whole ridiculous backstory of the girl dying by accident, to then show up again, and it's just a similar faced nobody?  Augh, this series hurts my head sometimes.

So yeah, that's stupid levels of strength for a regular guy.  Speed isn't brought up much on him, but he can dodge bullets.  Well, musket shots, but then these are fantasy muskets so that helps, I guess?  Not too bright, but not exactly a simpleton and a really adapt fighter.  Plus that supernatural level of endurance.  I'd go with him diving headfirst into a few swords, get a few lacerations here and there to score the kill.  Just recreate Nightmare vs Guts.
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Post by: Foobs on November 17, 2016, 12:41:59 am
...A lookalike?  Really?  They bothered having this whole ridiculous backstory of the girl dying by accident, to then show up again, and it's just a similar faced nobody?  Augh, this series hurts my head sometimes.
It's some *wink* *wink* shit that Oda brings up every now and never, without any meaningful development.
(http://i.imgur.com/OejU2F2.jpg)

The middle panels are a flashback from her first appearance around chapter 100. This page is from chapter 867687. Tashigi's only appearance in between the two doesn't make the reader any wiser about why she looks like Kuina, either.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 18, 2016, 07:05:00 pm
this might be the first DB i'm actually gonna skip
here's hoping they waste CVanimation on this fight
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on November 22, 2016, 02:58:11 pm
How Ace vs Natsu shouldve gone
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on November 24, 2016, 12:13:23 am
Erza Scarlet

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 24, 2016, 03:01:12 am
So, we have a man that can use three swords against a fighter that can, in theory, use any weapon out there.

I'm going out on a limb and going with Ezra here. Being adept with more weapons give you more options.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 24, 2016, 03:19:45 am
I dunno if there's any historical accuracy behind the thought process of its design or just anime going for cool points, but that plate mail top and mini-skirt bottom is really stupid.  Anyways, not much from that character profile of any real importance, unfortunately.

Eh, I say it's more quality over quantity for this.  If the guy cuts apart mountains, apparently, and she's not quite so over the top, I'd give him the advantage here.  Essentially just another army of mooks he cuts down in typical comedic fashion catching up to Luffy, compressed into one person.  Still unsure over her disarm skill coming into play though.  Would be funny if it came down to it specifies disarming opponents hands, and he wins because of his goofy sword mouth technique.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 24, 2016, 05:53:26 am
yeeeee they're making CVanimation do this fight
that means a better animator is doing the next ones, this means i can just fully skip this one
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on November 27, 2016, 06:20:30 pm
meh.. I almost think the ad at the beginning was longer than the fight
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: SNT on November 27, 2016, 09:44:12 pm
Bullshit.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on November 27, 2016, 09:51:13 pm
i'm unbiased since i don't give a shit about either character and i can say: that was awful
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on November 27, 2016, 09:59:20 pm
Eh.  Animation wasn't all that good and pretty low key for both members being so over the top.  Exact outcome I don't agree with, shouldn't mean much to lose his head really, but right winner anyways.

I've tried reading through Hellsing but never finished it.  I made it through a few of the books so my knowledge on Alucard's fairly limited to that and what people repeat on the internet, but beyond boasting how he's so much better than Castlevania's Alucard, he doesn't seem in Spawn's class.  Though somehow he was thrown into the sun and lived near the end?  Spawn's annoyingly specific means to kill him would make it a moot point in the end anyways if it was the other way around.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 27, 2016, 10:05:36 pm
That match was nowhere near as epic as it should have been even with the spritesets involved.

Also the ending is horseshit because Spawn is definitely a monster not a man, but whatever it's DBX
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Post by: SlySuavity on November 28, 2016, 02:10:25 pm
Alucard in himself is a concept, so it'd take just a tad bit more than decapitation to off him.

Sharing my discontent, either way.
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Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on November 28, 2016, 02:58:42 pm
I really should get around to watching Hellsing completely. Spawn should stomp most people he comes across though, he is extremely powerful.
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Post by: MAO11 on November 28, 2016, 03:13:32 pm
alucard can't be killed right? plus spawn is no longer human so he can't kill alucard.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Zemilia on November 30, 2016, 03:09:34 pm
You know the drill.

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Post by: hatter on November 30, 2016, 03:30:11 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 30, 2016, 11:47:28 pm
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 01, 2016, 12:50:48 am
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 01, 2016, 03:37:28 am
match was so anti climatic it didn't even remotely make me bare any interest in the slightest

short af DB
not worth the 3 week wait, and fuck the DB cast.
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Post by: Darkflare on December 01, 2016, 02:22:15 pm
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on December 01, 2016, 02:27:17 pm
For once I hope it's One Punch Man. Because how exactly can you one-punch something that is immortal?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Foobs on December 01, 2016, 02:47:01 pm
Saitama has killed enemies with strong healing factors.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 01, 2016, 10:06:50 pm
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Post by: The Boss on December 02, 2016, 06:27:11 pm
I think Deadpool is going to face another 4th wall breaker from a franchise(That is overrated thanks to the fans)
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 02, 2016, 06:35:22 pm
just heard who he's fighting

im seriously contemplating dropping death battle this season....
this is 6 weeks of skipping their videos....

for those who dont know....
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Post by: Duos.act on December 02, 2016, 06:49:19 pm
Lol but they used them on the show before.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 02, 2016, 07:01:09 pm
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Post by: The Boss on December 02, 2016, 07:42:15 pm
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Post by: R565 on December 02, 2016, 08:24:16 pm
Why you ask? Maybe to just put it out there but one thing is certain...THIS MATCHUP LOOKS DUMB.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 02, 2016, 09:43:03 pm
Lol but they used them on the show before.

its passable making them a one off character for laughs  plus it was hasbro vs hasbro
but this now is animationrewind levels of shit matchups
 and they dont have great animators aside from torrian to salvage this
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Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on December 02, 2016, 09:52:50 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 02, 2016, 11:41:36 pm
Wasn't the Rainbow Dash vs Starscream one's concept the best of the worst versus the worst of the best for Hasbro?  My Little Pony has no real considerable traits for a Death Battle, so for a joke match they had to really stretch her talents and dumb down Starscream. (And slow down how lasers work?  Never mind the whole dashing into a tougher than earthly metal robot with frail tiny horse bones not resulting in a bloody splat)

I've given the show two tries and could not stand it, so I'll need further explanation as to what particularly is so special about Pinkie Pie beyond the ability to make a joke referencing the viewer of the show, because if that's all the qualification takes then it might as well be Piccolo or Bubbles from the Powerpuff Girls, someone who can actually fight to the death.  Or put the horse against Bubbles actually, isn't this the one Tara Strong voices?  But I've never known the pink horse to do anything spectacular at all?  The blue one flies fast, the purple one's a low level witch, and....that's it, I think?  The orange one is a horse rancher I think, ironically.

Eh.  Well, don't care about Deadpool, actually kinda sickened about him ever since reading that Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe series, and don't have any love for MLP, so this is a disappointing turnout.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 03, 2016, 06:31:04 am
the deadpool in that comic was a evil alternate version of deadpool
that later..... gets killed off by regular deadpool

that aside, they wouldn't put a pony in a death battle to die, especially when nick said the researcher is a fuckin brony.
like... if i didn't make my point clear enough, this and say a recent animation rewind fight dont look that different imo


AND ITS THE SEASON FINALE? fuuuuuck no
like anyone else from dante to miss fortune could have taken the spot(or ooooor not have deadpool even return so soon)
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 03, 2016, 06:41:13 am
I think we read two different Deadpool vs the Marvel Universe books.  The one I read was 4 parts, which was just Deadpool's head "clearing the voices" of wanting to live in his fake comic universe, systematically brutally killing everyone who doesn't commit suicide, mind breaking Taskmaster by teaching him he's a fake concept, going to the real world and killing the writer and artists of the series to thus end it in a gag.  No "good" Deadpool to get rid of him, just the one Deadpool killing Thor with his hammer, torturing the X-Men and laughs a plenty.

Where did they say it was the season finale?  It was my understanding Unicron vs Galactus was the long planned out finale to this season.  Was it in that Death Battle Cast series they've started?
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 03, 2016, 02:32:52 pm
Deadpool kills the marvel universe is followed up with killustrated and deadpool kills deadpool where it states that he's not the main marvel deadpool but an evil one from another universe.
he doesn't kill the writers but makes them make him kill the inspirations that marvel characters are based off

then regular deadpool n co take him down

and yes, torrian brought it up
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 03, 2016, 04:48:31 pm
Decent fight

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Post by: Kirishima on December 03, 2016, 05:46:04 pm
[youtube]jOwcTYNr8MM[/youtube]
Whaaaaat is this


Oh and eh, battle of the jackasses.  Don't see Deadpool winning this.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 03, 2016, 11:28:54 pm
Deadpool kills the marvel universe is followed up with killustrated and deadpool kills deadpool where it states that he's not the main marvel deadpool but an evil one from another universe.
he doesn't kill the writers but makes them make him kill the inspirations that marvel characters are based off

then regular deadpool n co take him down

and yes, torrian brought it up

That's...I don't even know.  Monumentally stupid, I think?  What's the point of killing a fake Deadpool when everyone else is already dead anyways?  How can there be company to help Deadpool when everyone else in the universe is dead?  What's the point of making the until then taken to be real Deadpool because it's stated as such and making him just a fake but with all Deadpool's past memories and...you know what, forget it, I don't want to know.

What I do want to know is what's the deal with Unicron and Galactus then.  Is it the series finale then, when they're done with Death Battle as a whole?  Put off for the next season's end?  Scrapped altogether?  I mean, this next fight is such a joke I'm having trouble believing it's really the end of the season and they're going to do some fourth wall break "got ya" joke during the match and say they've got more planned or something.
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Post by: The Boss on December 05, 2016, 11:10:05 pm
Deadpool's opponent has been revealed by editing their facebook profile:
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 06, 2016, 03:44:43 pm
Wasn't sure if I should put this in the MCU thread or here, but since its a battle...

Some really good looking models and animation for one guy.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 06, 2016, 06:41:04 pm
Deadpool's opponent has been revealed by editing their facebook profile:
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they revealed it in the podcast.

oh and nice vid
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Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2016, 06:59:30 pm
Wasn't sure if I should put this in the MCU thread or here, but since its a battle...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKpV47RuEw[/youtube]
Some really good looking models and animation for one guy.
that was amazing
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Post by: The Boss on December 07, 2016, 03:52:11 pm
How cool.
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Post by: Zemilia on December 07, 2016, 06:37:37 pm
Technically this is a OMM, But I wonder why they call it a bonus ep.

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 07, 2016, 07:30:56 pm
Good fight, they made shadow do more stuff than all other fights hes put in

whos fei long fighting in the preview
i dont fully recognise the silhouette
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Post by: D.R.B on December 07, 2016, 09:52:09 pm
Deadpool, Again...

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Post by: JudaiZX on December 07, 2016, 11:43:58 pm
Technically this is a OMM, But I wonder why they call it a bonus ep.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/AXUd9w1QNLo[/youtube]
Now THATS how you do a Shadow vs Vegeta video
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 08, 2016, 12:26:10 am
Iiiiiits.. Super Power Beatdown time
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 08, 2016, 04:20:52 pm
While it was a decent fight and I agree with the outcome...

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 11, 2016, 04:01:04 pm

A good actual animation
just needed a bit of sound and visual effects n lighting and it would have been amazing for a DBX
...actually its already top 3
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 11, 2016, 11:11:14 pm
Not surprising it was good, since it was animated by the guy who did all those fanmade RWBY trailers... Screwattack just sucks up all the good animators out there.
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Post by: D.R.B on December 14, 2016, 09:55:17 pm
...........

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Post by: Long John Killer on December 14, 2016, 11:09:50 pm
So cartoon physics.  All that is just cartoon physics, slapstick absurd humor and claiming it as a superpower.

Why would they waste the potential of that type of match up with a repeat and someone I doubt many are wanting to see when the obvious choice should have been Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny?  Which wouldn't have been a very good episode for a fight to the death in my opinion anyways, but still, there's a bigger rivalry there than these two.

I still suspect they're not going to be killing each other, but it's some big prank to pull out the real season finale.  Alternatively they just keep going to find out who has the firmer place in reality and write the other one out of existence, maybe?  Which is still Bugs Bunny's territory, but whatever.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 15, 2016, 09:02:41 am
this is gonna be animated by the guy who did ryu vs lucario and amy vs ramona

it wont be a bad animation but like.... for a season finale im annoyed
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 17, 2016, 06:51:34 pm
So this is out

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 18, 2016, 04:03:55 pm
what are those silhouettes?
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Post by: SlySuavity on December 18, 2016, 04:55:50 pm
The miracles of MS Paint.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 18, 2016, 11:09:54 pm
I like the suggestion in the comments that it's Waddle Dee and Goomba, but the right silhouette keeps making me think the Ice Climbers' eggplant.

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/iceclimber/images/a/aa/Eggplant.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080703124345)

But that's definitely not it.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on December 21, 2016, 03:28:25 pm
Deadpool VS Pinkie Pie is out.

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Post by: Trololo on December 21, 2016, 03:45:26 pm
(http://vsekidki.ru/uploads/posts/2016-06/1466527780_lol-graphics-32-810x485.gif)
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 21, 2016, 03:47:13 pm
Where's the ass whooping? There's supposed to be a fucking Pony getting her fucking ass whooped!!

This is the single worst Death Battle in history... yep. Even worst then Rainbow Dash beating Starscream.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 21, 2016, 03:54:56 pm
....that ending....can't roll my eyes enough
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Post by: Terry McJarrow on December 21, 2016, 04:18:54 pm
I'll have to admit it, this is such a cliché Death Battle for that season finale (or whatever the case may be), even after watching that vid, and i have to partially agree with Seadragon77 there. I mean, what was the point of having this episode for such a lame-ass battle with no ass-whoopin' if it's meant to be a comedic way? A wasted opportunity. I don't give a fuck what anyone else says.
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Post by: Person Man on December 21, 2016, 04:19:53 pm
Haha, that was excellent.  Never underestimate the power of Pinkie Pie. 
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Post by: R565 on December 21, 2016, 10:28:44 pm
Haha, that was excellent.  Never underestimate the power of Pinkie Pie. 

Word.
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Post by: Duos.act on December 21, 2016, 10:32:52 pm
Best episode of the season hands down.  Absolutely amazing.  I had no expectations going into it but I was surprised.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 22, 2016, 12:17:30 am
Alternate ending

Edit: It seems like they actually added to the episode in general, not just the ending.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 22, 2016, 12:19:30 am
Yeah....no, that was just annoying and not really funny.  With further background knowledge on Pinkie Pie, I think I actually like it less now.  So in your face about being obnoxious, at least that's something she has over Deadpool, and that's Deadpool's bread and butter.

Ignoring the whole joke that the episode turned out to be, if they kept to their rules I suspect Deadpool wouldn't give a second thought to participating in whatever party she came up with...then blast her brains out, cut off the head then use it as a hand puppet.  He's kinda dark with his humor and wouldn't pass up an opportunity to kill someone, even if they can see the 4th wall like him.  Sure turned out that way when he showed Taskmaster how to do it.
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Post by: Person Man on December 22, 2016, 02:49:43 am
Nah, Deadpool's not the type to just randomly murder someone for no reason.  In fact he's got a pretty long history of going out of his way to find companionship.  Look at all the times he's tried to convince the X-Men to let him join them.  Or that time he decided he was going to join the Great Lakes Avengers so he could hang out with them until Squirrel Girl kicked him out.  Hell, look at Blind Al and Bob, Agent of Hyrda;  Two people Deadpool literally kidnapped and detained just because he wanted a friend.  For all of his insanity and tendency towards ultra-violence, there's definitely a part of Deadpool's character that really values friendship.

So then in comes Pinkie Pie.  You think that if Deadpool comes across someone who's every bit as crazy as he is, and immediately asks to be his best friend no questions asked, he's not going to immediately be on board?  Even if the result of the battle was just a joke, that's pretty much exactly how that would happen anyway.
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Post by: Duos.act on December 22, 2016, 03:02:13 am
Honestly, it seems like a lot of you are just disappointed it wasn't Deadpool slaughtering Pinkie Pie in some generic MLP bashing thing.  I've never watched an episode of FiM in my life and I had a great time with this episode.  I don't know.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 22, 2016, 03:10:42 am
I don't actively seek out to read Deadpool, so evidently you're more versed in him than I am, but of what I have seen he's literally insane.  And murdering people is his job, the incentive isn't really asking for much either as long as he gets a kick out of it.

So to your second part, will he agree to be best friends?  Sure.  He'll have many happy parties with her, with each limb being a member and be absolutely cross at the right hind hoof for slouching.  His loneliness is probably just as easily rectified by his standards by bodies as much as real people, just the dead ones will bore him eventually.

I'm not buying any sort of real happy ending for them.  But nor do I really care for it either, so let it be what it is I suppose.  Hopefully that big long awaited next battle is the Galactus vs Unicron one we skipped in favor of this.  That's the only one they've confirmed working on that people have hyped up in multiple videos that I know of.

Honestly, it seems like a lot of you are just disappointed it wasn't Deadpool slaughtering Pinkie Pie in some generic MLP bashing thing.  I've never watched an episode of FiM in my life and I had a great time with this episode.  I don't know.
I dunno, maybe.  I've had a thing against the show since an old friend of mine turned complete fanatic over it when it first game out, absolutely hating watching it back then and from there it just washed over the internet to absolute annoyance.  Not a fan of Deadpool either, but wouldn't have minded the lesser of two evils doing his thing in this case.  Guess I'm just petty and bias.  Am trying to keep civil about how this match should have gone though.
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Post by: Person Man on December 22, 2016, 03:17:37 am
Jesus Christ dude, he's Looney Toons insane, not Jeffrey Dahmer insane what the hell.  He kills people because he's a mercenary.  He's not running around hacking random civilians into chunks and talking to severed body parts like Yoshikage Kira or whatever you said.  Your interpretation there is so utterly removed from anything that the character has ever been written like I actually can't think of how you could have possibly arrived at it.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 22, 2016, 03:20:17 am
Well the last thing I read was Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe.  So there's that.  He sure isn't no Daffy Duck there, I'll tell you that.
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Post by: Person Man on December 22, 2016, 03:26:59 am
That was an alternate universe!  And then that Deadpool was killed by the real Deadpool in Deadpool Kills Deadpool!

Yeah, 2013 was around the time that Deadpool oversaturation hit critical mass.  >.>
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 22, 2016, 03:38:14 am
That line more or less sums up why I don't try to read Deadpool.  It's not even ridiculous comic regulations like the nonsense Superman had to go through and then look back at and laugh at, that's all just part of Deadpool's character and "charm".

But fine, so he's not going to eat their liver with fava beans a nice chianti.  My mistake.  I'm still of the camp that he'd find an excuse to kill her, for trying to outdo his wackiness if nothing else.
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Post by: Person Man on December 22, 2016, 04:00:04 am
I'd say that whole thing speaks more to Marvel going way overboard on the marketting and cramming Deadpool down everyone's throats for a couple of years than it does to Deadpool as a character, but that's still a totally understandable reason for getting turned off on the character.

Gods, thinking back on it around that time he had like 3 or 4 dedicated ongoing monthlies plus a handful of mini-series, on top of being in X-Force and cameoing in pretty much every other book on a regular basis.  It got bad for a while there.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 22, 2016, 10:25:15 am
Honestly, it seems like a lot of you are just disappointed it wasn't Deadpool slaughtering Pinkie Pie in some generic MLP bashing thing.  I've never watched an episode of FiM in my life and I had a great time with this episode.  I don't know.

imo this was the most autistic fanfic style of a script i've ever read
"and then deadpool and pinkie pie become bestest friends and play around dancing and laughing and then have a birthday party with alll the other ponies and they lived happily ever after
the end"

Like what next? Sans and shadow go out on a date?
this was just bad and cringe
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 22, 2016, 12:10:08 pm
As someone who has invested time into neither the Deadpool comics nor MLP, I thought it was alright.

Still kinda miffed we didn't get the supposed Galactus vs. Unicron as the season finale.
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Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on December 23, 2016, 07:21:40 pm
As a person who only looked at Transformers as a kid, does Unicron even stand a chance. Just from my knowledge of Galactus and my limited knowledge of Transformers this would seem like a roflstomp. I guess i could just wiki it but yeah lol.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 23, 2016, 11:57:44 pm
I have a basic understanding of both, and I think Unicron's advantage is his supposed immunity to forces of existence, being the anti-form of it, only harmed by God, a.k.a. Primus and absolute control over creation.  Or by his conduit of power, the Matrix of Leadership, so those who use it like Optimus Prime.

So, like, Unicron can de-create space itself, all of existence, and has done so to multiple entire realities.  So safe to presume he's safe from most things Galactus does in a straight up fight.  But I'm not too knowledgeable on Galatcus' power source.  My understanding, Galactus was the sole survivor of the last humanoid species in the reality that took place before the Big Bang caused the Marvel universe to form, and gains his Power Cosmic from being at the source of the Big Bang's radiation.  So...I guess you're juggling scientific reasoning of the beginning of creation, Galactus, and deities who just caused life and stuff to start, Unicron. (Or Primus, whatever)

I'm guessing because they can go more in depth over how Galactus got his power in a comic book world reasonable sense, that Unicron will win out of lack of information other than "Be Primus to kill".
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Post by: Zemilia on December 31, 2016, 08:17:16 pm
New OMM
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Post by: BurningSoul on December 31, 2016, 08:38:43 pm
So next one is Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter
can't wait for that one,
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 04, 2017, 03:59:01 pm
New Arcade Mode is out, don't like the new format of doing histories behind each character first... so many other shows do that already.
Skip to 11:41 if you wanna avoid all that and just watch the fight.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 04, 2017, 05:23:16 pm
Personally, I find them doing analysis on the characters beforehand is great, it gives the viewer a greater insight into how much research they actually put into the character.  But with this case, that doesn't say much on Kratos.  Which from this, I've learned he likes to stab things and they really want you to focus on those lion hands and his magic destiny sword that has less destiny powers in the game, but we'll be using the full powered thing here.

I suppose it's also not entirely needed in a case of voters choose the winner, because then it could seem incredibly in one character's favor when breaking them down, only to go the other way thanks simply to voter majority.  Perhaps it'd be better suited to have break-downs of the two combatants previewed some time before the match comes out, and put up the link where to vote in that video.  Give people completely new or at least ignorant of what the characters do some information before they vote.

As for this match, eh, I don't really agree with it.  The fighting's fine, but they need to work on mouth syncing and walking animations, those things were honestly pretty terrible.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on January 05, 2017, 01:05:20 am
they did a long ass analysis but only used like 30% of kratos's shit
you know how much magic, and weapons he could have done?

also yeah what long john said, the walking animation looks like its build for thin characters doesnt look right on big people
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 08, 2017, 06:32:48 pm

The alternative ending is out.
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Post by: lui on January 10, 2017, 06:32:31 pm
I really, really hate how the animator tries way way too hard to make things have a "epic feel", while he uses inconsistent music cues and voice clips that don't even match up consistently with the person he's animating (ex. Spider-Man has josh Keaton's voice but also the lame one from web of shadows?)

it just seems edgy for the sake of being edgy. his fight scenes look great but I hate the whole "epic god war is epic" schtick he has in every one of his videos
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 10, 2017, 09:12:17 pm
Pretty much yeah.. he should stick making his videos the way he did the Deadpool vs Dante. That at least had a proper narrative...
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Post by: BurningSoul on January 10, 2017, 10:45:05 pm
well he is turkish,I can talk to him
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Post by: Zemilia on January 11, 2017, 03:14:42 pm
The 1st fight for season 4 of Death Battle is revealed:
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Post by: Beta158 on January 11, 2017, 04:00:01 pm
Oh hell yeah!
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Post by: Person Man on January 11, 2017, 04:09:06 pm
Smart money's on Lara.  She's taken down dinosaurs, dragons, alien mutants, ghosts, demons, angels, and gods, all with a pair of handheld pea shooters.  Drake's got nothing on that.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 11, 2017, 04:52:35 pm
Yeah...I did not play Uncharted yet.  So what's his list of acomplishments or weaponry?  Lara's wielded Mjolnir, defeated Witchblade, swam to the bottom of the ocean, taken how many beating in the latest reboot getting casually tossed down entire mountains and just getting up and moving on, expertly trained in acrobatics and close quarters combat, she probably has super strength at this point somewhere.  Nice range of weapons in her games from assault rifles to shotgun to sniper rifles and of course her signature unlimited ammo pistols and grappling hook.

I REALLY wanted this to be Lara versus Drake verses Indiana Jones.  I'd wager Indy's a better contestant against Lara, and he'd still loose.  Not before beating Drake, though.  But ah well.

Oh right and she had Excalibur.  Except it's made of alien metal, comes apart like Ivy from Soul Calibur's sword and shoots laser beams.  And I think shields her from bullets as well and retracts from this gadget on her arm, if I recall Legend correctly?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 11, 2017, 05:27:04 pm
Reboot 1 Lara is pretty much Drake over the entire series, taking a crapload of punishment that realistically would kill a non-video game character and generally flying by the seat of their pants to victory

Drake is just a little bit more Belloc about things whereas Lara's a little more Indy
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 11, 2017, 05:43:04 pm
Oi, so he really does have zero chance of survival.  I mean, duh, but still.  I was hoping he maybe fought some mummies or zombies or something.  Meanwhile Lara's beaten both and some Nordic ice zombies to mix it up.

But I suppose that's how Nathan was designed.  Like Lara Croft, but less ridiculous feats, more dynamic setpieces and cutscenes.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 11, 2017, 06:10:35 pm
In the first game he faces nazi zombies/monsters... He is a master with most firearms, kinda good at hand to hand combat, able to survive shit that would normally kill normal men. You could literally spend 5 minutes to read a summary of each of the Uncharted games to get an idea.
Like it was said, reboot Lara is basically a female Drake...
I'm just getting this feeling that while they are using a classic Lara model, they will still include reboot Lara feats as part of her accomplishments, which always irked me about DB's research methods.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on January 11, 2017, 06:58:30 pm
as an uncharted fanboy
i can say
this is so fucking one sided. Drake is great at survivng from bullshit that would kill the regular person (being unconscious from a bullet wound, in a train crash in the fucking freezing cold as its dangling off a cliff and being able to literally climb and jump his way up isn't possible for a human)

reboot lara has less feats than drake since drake has had his encounters with....supernatural zombie mutants in 1 and immortal tribesmen in 2 (which reboot tomb raider blatantly copied)

though i didn't play the latest tomb raider. is that where she picked up her martial arts and sassy badassery? or is she still whiney sjw teen bait?

.....oh who am i kidding, death battle always merges versions of characters anyway
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Post by: Person Man on January 11, 2017, 07:33:33 pm
whiney sjw teen bait
What the blueberry fuck does that even mean.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 12, 2017, 04:10:13 am
To ditto onto Person Man and to be over literal, I don't recall Lara whining once in Tomb Raider 2013, nor was she a teenager.  Being anguished at extreme multitudes of gore and injustices and loss, sure, but putting up a fight to it, not whining.

And of course they will be merging multiple Crofts into one.  Hence why how boned Nathan is.  Mixing dino killing with terrorist factions destroyed with impossible magic-science technology from the future with...whatever the hell Image and Top Cow has done for her in the comics, she's stupidly OP for poor Drake.  Heck, just a glance at a random comic (Tomb Raider: Journey #3), she can apparently bullseye targets without even looking.  And be a persistent liar.

I mean...she can jump kick vampire bats out of the air!  Come on!
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Post by: hatter on January 12, 2017, 04:15:59 am
Yeah, the 2013 reboot of  Lara had her doing some pretty insane shit too, and go up against impossible odds. Didn't get a "whiney sjw teen bait" vibe from her in that game.

And yeah, Drake's gonna lose so hard.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on January 12, 2017, 05:43:17 am
On paper, this is a great match up.... but, once you get into the technical aspect of things, the more this battle looks to be heavily in Lara's favor. Hell, Person Man made a list of what Lara has taken down over the years. Nathan can't exactly counter that list... but, I wonder if Nathan has anything that could level the field.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 12, 2017, 05:56:48 am
I said they should have gotten Indy.  Movies alone has him do some crazy stuff, but I've read the first omnibus of his comics, he does some insane stuff in comics as well as picks up some new fancy artifacts that'd help.  If they allow them to use such things that they kept on to.  Which is why I presume Lara has Excalibur, seeing they had to have go through Legend in their research; they showed a clip of it in the preview.

But at least a two versus one approach would make a more believable fight.  Until Indy's honor against killing a woman or something comes into play.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 12, 2017, 06:04:16 am
You guys are all forgetting one important point.. this is death battle.. their logic in deciding a winner usually comes down 1 defining point. And depending on how much research they actually do.. we could see Drake come out on top...
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on January 14, 2017, 04:39:56 am
On paper, this is a great match up.... but, once you get into the technical aspect of things, the more this battle looks to be heavily in Lara's favor. Hell, Person Man made a list of what Lara has taken down over the years. Nathan can't exactly counter that list... but, I wonder if Nathan has anything that could level the field.

uhh... she tries to kill him with a grenade and he throws it back at her?
he does that... i never played 4 yet but apparently he took down some OP kickass chick?
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 18, 2017, 04:25:30 pm
Lara preview
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Post by: Lichtbringer on January 21, 2017, 04:18:21 pm
New one Minute Melee ist out.

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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 21, 2017, 04:46:16 pm
I like how even Piccolo knew how that fight was going to end.
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Post by: Beta158 on January 21, 2017, 06:05:33 pm
I do believe according to the preview sprites that Solid snake vs Chris Redfield is next.
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Post by: cheddarsword on January 21, 2017, 06:38:45 pm
you know, I've always wondered what the mugen community thought of their sprites being used for DB. first time I really noticed it was when they thanked Acey for his hagar sprites in hagar vs. zangief.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 21, 2017, 11:37:55 pm
I won't pretend to be a Martian Manhunter fanatic, but overselling his abilities much?  Not a fan of the TFS stuff either, but eh.  Nicely animated, would have liked to see Piccolo split but still nice.  Not interested in the next one though.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 21, 2017, 11:51:47 pm
I won't pretend to be a Martian Manhunter fanatic, but overselling his abilities much?

They are absolutely not. Strength on par with Superman, flight, density control (comics cruise control for intangibility and invulnerability, meaning he can tank or ghost on a whim), shape-shifting, regeneration (he once reformed from just a head), NINE senses, martian vision (x-ray, optic blasts ranging from Cyclops force to Darkseid disintegration), the ability to turn invisible, or and did I mention he's a planetary level telepath and telekinetic?

His only weakness is a crippling fear of fire and that's only sometimes. Piccolo couldn't buy a W in that fight.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 22, 2017, 12:03:13 am
Not to be a douche, but...beyond the density control, that doesn't sound outside Piccolo's range after fusing with Kami?  He heals as well, picks up invisibles, shape-shifts (Well, grows limbs, anyways), strength is pretty up there.  Depending on your preference on Dragonball power scaling, being past Cell's power by the last we see him he can then wipe away a solar system with his energy.  If he so pleased, but we know he's not that evil anymore.

I don't mind J'onn getting the win here, if getting a little tired of this Dragonball downplaying, just seems they have a tiny bit too much faith on his complete and utter victory, yeah?  That fear of fire would have been a nice factor, ki creates fire if not is fire itself, Piccolo's smart enough to use that to his advantage.  Though I coulda swore Manhunter got over that phobia at some point.  Comics as they are, he probably rebooted back into having it, though.

And, you know, it's OMM, and it's not exactly Cell versus that Hunter x Hunter guy who died from a bomb levels of difference, not like it really matters.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 22, 2017, 12:13:37 am
The difference between that fight and this one is that Piccolo could blow up the solar system, not a lick of it would affect J'onn because he went intangible and can breath in space, and then J'onn would pop his head like a grape or introduce him to psychic horrors on a heretofor unknown scale for destroying both his adopted home and his actual one.

But of course, J'onn already knows Piccolo would never do such a thing because he's a telepath, so he'd just give him a sporting exhibition match and probably just leave if it looked like Piccolo was getting too salty.

Martian Manhunter is super hax, Doc
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 22, 2017, 12:24:04 am
Gawd, fine, have your win, D.C., I didn't want DBZ to win anyways!

But yeah, his abilities are diverse enough to give Piccolo a good run for his money and all, ghosting being the biggest pain, just feel Piccolo shouldn't be made into a joke for him.  Not sure how much the telepath stuff comes into play, the Z-Warriors got those mental defenses that get bigger with their power levels too.  Unless Manhunter often casually makes Superman or Dr. Fate a puppet or something, then sure.

I dunno, I just never got into J'onn.  Which is silly in retrospect, he seems the super hero right up my alley I would like, that range of power held back by some personal limitations or fears, wanting to be human and normal.  Like Superman or Spawn or what have you.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 22, 2017, 12:32:15 am
I fucking love the Martian Manhunter, he's got my brand of bullshit that basically makes every adventure of his just him holding back for story purposes  or just straight up silly and fantastical (like the Flash, my other favorite DC character). I'd recommend John Ostrander's run in the 90s or the latest run from 2015 if you want to give him a shot (be warned though, there's a lot of "You thought you knew who I was, but here's what I really am and it's more powerful than you can ever imagine!" stuff that happens every time a new run starts).
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 22, 2017, 12:41:38 am
Well, I mean, his whole persona is an alien who wants to be an Earth detective, I was expecting it to be a comic book version of Clue more or less.  Darkseid killed Batgirl in the Green Room with the lamp.  Amplified by his Omega Beams.

But sounds good, I'll look into it.  Thanks.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on January 22, 2017, 09:58:18 am
dragonball downplaying.....
3 losses.... like 5 wins?
the only really one sided OMM win for dragonball was the mewtwo vs frieza fight.... that was dumb....

anywho, next OMM. my moneys on chris(just cuz i like him more)
DBX is to come out today as well...... IronMan vs Megaman X (my moneys on X)
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Post by: rgveda99 on January 22, 2017, 04:17:15 pm
They should have gone with Justice Lord Martian Manhunter.

So no one died again? Is this because of youtube censorship?  :???:
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 22, 2017, 05:36:33 pm
its OMM, hardly anyone dies in those
DB is where somebody dies

DBX is out
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Post by: Duos.act on January 22, 2017, 09:24:42 pm
They should have gone with Justice Lord Martian Manhunter.

So no one died again? Is this because of youtube censorship?  :???:

One Minute Melee is separate from DB, they're just matches that don't necessarily end in death. 

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Post by: BurningSoul on January 22, 2017, 09:29:19 pm
Namely that the match has to end in death?  I loved it but...
Well they broke the-fourth wall of Death Battle,ha good joke right?
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Post by: Person Man on January 22, 2017, 10:02:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzxzkpy8UBg

MvC Infinite looks great.

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I think that was kind of the point, actually.  Both of them are defined as characters not bound by the normal guidelines of their respective worlds.  Put them both together, and it stands to reason they wouldn't be bound by the rules of Death Battle too.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 23, 2017, 07:53:33 am
So on my daily browsing of youtube I came across this awesome sprite fight


I wonder how long before DB tries to snag him up
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on January 24, 2017, 06:18:03 pm
the recommended vids are full of spriters who aren't quite there yet but aren't bad either

i'm enjoying these
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Post by: Duos.act on January 24, 2017, 09:38:45 pm
They should definitely pick them up for DBX at least.  Can only go up.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on January 25, 2017, 04:03:59 pm
Out

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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 30, 2017, 10:14:26 pm
DB is out for sponsors
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Post by: Zemilia on February 01, 2017, 03:06:06 pm
It's up on YT now.

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Post by: Kirishima on February 01, 2017, 03:47:13 pm
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Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2017, 03:47:48 pm
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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 01, 2017, 07:29:36 pm
what shit ass lighting were they using... nate's hair looks like shit
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Post by: Duos.act on February 01, 2017, 07:46:21 pm
Yeah his model looks pretty bad, it must be the one from the Vita game or something.  His hair and face in particular look...off.

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 01, 2017, 10:36:32 pm
i dont think you could rip any models from the uncharted series so they had to get someone to make one?

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I think they should fire nick or have someone else do the writing from now on
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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 02, 2017, 10:08:55 am
i dont think you could rip any models from the uncharted series so they had to get someone to make one?
Actually you can, models have been ripped from Uncharted 3, I myself have ripped his models from Playstation Allstars.
(http://pre06.deviantart.net/6294/th/pre/f/2016/030/f/3/uncharted_3_nathan_drake_desert_by_luxox18-d9pxjmd.jpg)
(http://orig14.deviantart.net/9670/f/2016/307/b/8/pasbr___nathan_drake_default_by_datkofguy-dan69au.png)(http://orig00.deviantart.net/447d/f/2016/307/7/7/pasbr___nathan_drake_costume_3_by_datkofguy-dan69zv.png)(http://orig00.deviantart.net/8ec0/f/2016/307/e/a/pasbr___nathan_drake_costume_2_by_datkofguy-dan69q0.png)

I kinda foresaw that when they heavily emphasizing the helicopter-axe bit, that that was the way they would end it.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 03, 2017, 04:07:10 pm
Alright, that makes it even weird that none of those were used...
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but whatever.... its watchable


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Post by: The Boss on February 03, 2017, 08:50:01 pm
Gentleman,Scrooge McDuck's opponent has been announced:
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Post by: RoySquadRocks on February 03, 2017, 08:50:58 pm
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 04, 2017, 11:17:30 am
CALLED IT!!!!!!
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 04, 2017, 06:33:36 pm


next up
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Post by: Negi Springfield on February 08, 2017, 10:38:39 pm
So this is a thing now. Hope it's not a sign of things to come.

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 09, 2017, 12:34:26 pm
to be fair, they've always been doing bloopers for the premium members, it probably just means they need another week for production
so like next week will be the scrooge mcduck summary and so on
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Post by: Dumanios on February 10, 2017, 06:27:23 pm


Another Hyourinjutsu vid, featuring some badass Future Gohan.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on February 15, 2017, 04:22:56 pm
Preview

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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 15, 2017, 04:59:50 pm
"Glass cow, Scotland"

That's not how you pronounce it :L
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 16, 2017, 04:18:59 am
screwattack will set shovel knight up to fail because their nostalgia boners will use "scrooge jumps into pools of money and survives space" a fight winning feat against the man who beat people of vast styles
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with just a shovel and a bit of magic

i honestly hate seeing death battles in which they choose a winner before their opponent
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Post by: Duos.act on February 16, 2017, 04:23:13 am
I think it will depend on how much of the weapons they give SK.  I think he should win too because it just stacks up in his favor logically.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 16, 2017, 04:53:23 am
Shovel Knight's still on my backlog to get to.  Yes, I know.  But what's his real damage output?  Of course, you know right off the bat they're going to say how tough one has to be to swim in a skyscraper filled with just gold coins.  Durability, and strength to just move at all, really.  If his way of fighting really is just a simple unremarkable shovel with no additional strength enhancements, just tenaciousness and some spells, then just the way Death Battle runs I'd have to image it goes to the duck.  Was there anything, like, indestructible he took down?  Any diamond or titanium knights or whatever?

I think I still would have preferred Wario over Shovel Knight, the greed and bizarre enterprises between the two of them seem a more entertaining match than "Oh, they can pogo".  Also it just feels really freaking weird to contemplate they would consider killing off a Disney character at all.  Goliath is a bit different, same goes if they ever threw in Kim Possible.  But an actual Disney anthropomorphic original?  I guess just as weird considering he'd equally have to kill this stout knight though?

Meanwhile I'm over here wondering when they're gonna get to the Crystal Gems killing the Powerpuff Girls with hydrokinesis to control all the Earth's water or just Garnet's general immunity to them, so I suppose I'm just as guilty.  When's Mickey Mouse vs Bugs Bunny already?

I must say, I'm curious how they'll animate this.  Going for the low-res option of course, unless Shovel Knight got an HD version of all its sprites at some point I'm unaware of.  That terrible Cammy vs Sonya match immediately comes to mind.  But they've managed getting Goliath to look pretty good in his fight, so hey.  Astro Boy's and Toph's sprite sheets were pretty darn limited as well and they're great.  Astro Boy and Mega Man still holds as my favorite fight animated that they've done.
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Post by: Person Man on February 16, 2017, 04:59:46 am
I'd actually give the edge to Scrooge here just because he's got so much more material to pull from.  Shovel Knight only has one game under his belt, while Scrooge has 70 years worth of comics, cartoons, movies, and video games.  The more material they have to work with, the more likely it becomes they'll find something Scrooge has to counter whatever Shovel Knight could throw at him.  Hell, if you want to talk specifics he was battling knights (http://i.imgur.com/ULrX3d4.jpg) and fighting off evildoers with digging implements (http://i.imgur.com/FXQh7lG.jpg) decades before Shovel Knight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ9Eob4dhYw

Their research seems faulty, though.  $300 quadrillion?  Everyone knows Scrooge's net worth is five multiplujillion, nine impossibidillion, seven fantasticatrillion dollars and sixteen cents.

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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 16, 2017, 01:28:40 pm
seem a more entertaining match than "Oh, they can pogo".
A guess one could consider Shovel Knight a treasure hunter by extension, even if that wasn't his primary mission, though his net worth almost certainly pales in comparison to Scrooge's.

It depends on the equipment they give him, since he has an item that allows him to become invincible for about 5 seconds, but because Screw Attack uses cartoon logic/one-off gags as legitimate feats, Scrooge has almost certainly got this one.
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Post by: Person Man on February 16, 2017, 01:44:20 pm
If you're talking about the swimming in money thing, that's actually not just cartoon physics.  It's canonically established in the Uncle Scrooge comics that he's the only person who can actually do that because he knows the "special technique."  There's been more than a few times when he foiled would-be robbers by luring them into his money pit and getting them to try and swim after him, only to watch them break their necks when they swan dive into a solid mass of gold.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 16, 2017, 04:11:15 pm
I kinda meant in general, but whatever works.

Then again, they might pull something like "Shovel Knight has beaten Kratos who has beaten Gods, etc.".
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 16, 2017, 07:00:43 pm
I must say, I'm curious how they'll animate this.  Going for the low-res option of course, unless Shovel Knight got an HD version of all its sprites at some point I'm unaware of.  That terrible Cammy vs Sonya match immediately comes to mind.  But they've managed getting Goliath to look pretty good in his fight, so hey.  Astro Boy's and Toph's sprite sheets were pretty darn limited as well and they're great.  Astro Boy and Mega Man still holds as my favorite fight animated that they've done.

Well firstly Jetz is animating this and they said in deathbattle cast  that they got a spriter to help out.
secondly hyperguage were the ones responsible for the astro boy/ megaman etc animations since they do maple story stuff what with the cutting up sprites n shit.

Jetz iirc did sonya vs cammy, ken vs terry and zoro vs erza

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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 16, 2017, 07:52:24 pm
Jetz iirc did sonya vs cammy
Oh boy...

Anyway, have some Joker on Joker action


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Post by: Zemilia on February 18, 2017, 07:55:41 pm
New OMM
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 18, 2017, 08:01:16 pm
i don't recognise the silhouettes for next time
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Post by: BurningSoul on February 18, 2017, 08:11:00 pm
It's Sasori vs Alice
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 19, 2017, 02:07:33 am
Alice Margatroid, to be specific.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 20, 2017, 10:18:37 pm
the first couple seconds give away the winner
not good
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Post by: Person Man on February 22, 2017, 11:55:57 pm
Shuffle Nite

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Post by: RoySquadRocks on February 23, 2017, 12:01:11 am
Shovel Knight for the win!!!
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on February 26, 2017, 09:18:50 am
the latest DB podcast showed a small small clip of the fight, from what i seen it doesn't look bad

Like 8bit n all but they made extra sprites for both of em
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Post by: Zemilia on March 01, 2017, 03:11:04 pm
Billionaire Duck vs Knight with a Shovel for a weapon is up:
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 01, 2017, 03:48:14 pm
That was pretty good. I especially like that they didn't try to put any unnecessary voice acting in it.

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Post by: RoySquadRocks on March 01, 2017, 05:03:33 pm
That is some crazy, savage fight right here!
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 01, 2017, 05:15:51 pm
I got spoiled earlier this week so i knew the outcome
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nice animation though
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 01, 2017, 05:48:46 pm
I really enjoyed the animation for this fight.

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Post by: Titiln on March 01, 2017, 06:07:19 pm
the camera work was some nauseating kevin dunn shit
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Post by: Person Man on March 02, 2017, 12:12:24 am
That was quite the awesome animation this time around.  Although it was kind of hard to tell what was going on in the close up shots because everything just turned into a mash of pixels.

I got spoiled earlier this week so i knew the outcome
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nice animation though
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 02, 2017, 07:10:53 am
It's a comic for comedic purposes.  Ducktales is not Watchmen, or even The Flash, it's a silly comic about an old duck that goes on adventures for money.  Scrooge is not a deep character.  The fight just stemmed down to what they can pull off in comics does not work so well in video games, at least Shovel Knight's side-scroller, in terms of abilities in a match set such as this.  There's nothing wrong about his main weakness being "he's old" because him being old in these situations is funny.

Just a curious note, the last match was Lara and Drake.  And we started this one with a comparison between the two again, but how it relayed to Scrooge and Shovel Knight.  If this trend is to be continued in this new season, what possible ties does our next contestant have to Scrooge and Shovel Knight, and might that give away his opponent?

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If you opened this spoiler...
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Post by: Prime SC on March 03, 2017, 11:37:28 pm
awe man thats gonna be a nice one i got venom though
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Post by: MAO11 on March 04, 2017, 04:30:34 pm
nah it wasn't. i was expecting more but it looks kinda half assed.
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Post by: RoySquadRocks on March 04, 2017, 04:35:27 pm
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Post by: BurningSoul on March 04, 2017, 04:43:54 pm
Next one is
Genos vs Raiden

I wish death battle did this one,Instead of Wolverine vs Raiden,well I guess OMM is good tho

I wish they also realese the sprites made by spriters to public.I want that Saitama sprites,
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 04, 2017, 04:51:26 pm
I don't usually get mad at OMMs

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Post by: Darkflare on March 04, 2017, 05:54:38 pm
Remember, no research.

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 04, 2017, 05:58:37 pm
i don't recognize that animator name from the usual lineup... he must be a new face
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Post by: Dumanios on March 04, 2017, 08:17:18 pm
If you opened this spoiler...
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Post by: BurningSoul on March 05, 2017, 01:11:49 am
This fight is really stupid,everyone knows Venom is going to win.It won't be much different than How Fight Club did it(except maybe better animation
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 05, 2017, 07:28:16 pm
meh
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 05, 2017, 08:40:43 pm
For a DBX, it wasn't bad
i liked the result aswell
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 05, 2017, 10:54:03 pm
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 06, 2017, 08:14:56 am
Mali and friends did a funny animating Stream that had questions answered throughout it


It was fun, i got all of my comments answered (like if they'd do tag flash fights, and what happens to their custom sprites after they're done with them)
worth playing in the background

Though heads up mali was working on the so called "finale" of the season, granted its not to come in a while.
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Post by: D.R.B on March 08, 2017, 10:17:56 pm
Venom
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 09, 2017, 02:51:39 pm
From one of the previous animators on RWBY
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Post by: AlexSin on March 12, 2017, 08:06:05 pm
Mali and friends did a funny animating Stream that had questions answered throughout it
[youtube]Av31OB5_9eM[/youtube]

It was fun, i got all of my comments answered (like if they'd do tag flash fights, and what happens to their custom sprites after they're done with them)
worth playing in the background
You should have also asked/told them to stop using that annoying SFA3 announcer KO voice clip.
So, what happens to the sprites after that?
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Post by: Snakebyte on March 12, 2017, 09:04:55 pm
On opponents for Venom, I'd go with Eddie/Zato-1 from Guilty Gear.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 12, 2017, 09:19:17 pm
I think Blue Beetle Jaime would have been a more thematically appropriate DC pick. Yes, he's got sonic weaponry but Venom's been known to power through a sonic gun with guts. It would probably still be his loss, but at least its a better matchup than Spider-man versus Batman again except this time they're BIG GUYS UUUU
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 12, 2017, 11:02:15 pm
Mali and friends did a funny animating Stream that had questions answered throughout it
[youtube]Av31OB5_9eM[/youtube]

It was fun, i got all of my comments answered (like if they'd do tag flash fights, and what happens to their custom sprites after they're done with them)
worth playing in the background
You should have also asked/told them to stop using that annoying SFA3 announcer KO voice clip.
So, what happens to the sprites after that?


They go in the vault unfortunately. I think mali said he wouldn't want rival shows like DB n shit using their stuff
that as well as they "dont make enough money" to have them open source
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 13, 2017, 05:36:37 pm
Will the age old question finally be answered?
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 13, 2017, 10:49:52 pm
Cool animation, considering the downgrade in sprites just to have the two match.

The argument's silly, though.  Regardless of what minor retcons in timeframe or power scales and annoying changes done to Vegito's permanent fusion, Dragon Ball Super ends moments before Z.  And we know from just how GT played out that everyone in there continued to grow in power.  Even if we throw together some hypothetical where they lose their god powers to match perfectly with Z, thus they'd need some new way to get to that previous level of power the blue hair dye offered, their base forms grew exponentially by the end of Z and that plays into SSJ4's ridiculous power.  Simple placement in time and the ever growing levels of power that Dragon Ball runs on puts SSJ4 Gogeta in front of everyone.

Eh, but whatever.  Worrying over nothing.  I can get the reason why Vegito's viewed stronger, as he's more show don't tell with some viable feats while Gogeta's mostly a bunch of hypotheticals.  Like everyone's favorite Broly.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on March 15, 2017, 06:46:28 pm
Bane promo

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2017, 11:33:39 pm
Oh.  Bane.  Because he has venom running through his veins, and now he's fighting a literal Venom.  Hah.  Funny.
Still not expecting a different outcome, but it came to mind that this match has both 2D and 3D options, so wonder which they're going for.  And if 2D, I recall someone re-doing MvC's Venom sprites from that blue form to something more resembling his comic appearance, hope they go for that spritesheet instead of the MvC one.  Blue doesn't suit Venom.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 17, 2017, 12:17:40 pm
Nah its 2D, the dude who did Deadpool vs pinky pie and Amy vs ramona is doing this fight (from what i gathered from the wiki)
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 18, 2017, 10:41:35 pm
woop woop
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 18, 2017, 10:48:24 pm
Ah good, I was about to post this too.

Not a fan of this one.  Getting tired of their Superman vs Saitama.  And dead Goku.  And no interest in the characters.  But still, nicely animated, for what it was.  Didn't know Raiden had a 2D game to draw from.

Comments there place the next one to be Decapre and someone named Pinwheel.  Ah well, another one with nothing of interest.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 18, 2017, 11:39:02 pm
Guessing those sprites are original on both side, Doc.

Also, that would be Painwheel, from Skullgirls:



Eh, there are so many more interesting options to pick from that game, but then again the same could be said of the other side
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 19, 2017, 12:06:58 am
I really should play that game at some point.  I have the DLC from when it was free.  I'm pretty sure I have the game either from a sale or it being free as well.  I just can't bring myself to care about any of the characters.  And all the mechanics and fancy artwork, sprite-wise and outside that, don't mean a thing if you don't enjoy playing as a character.

Of course, I'm no fan of Decapre the Cammy clone either, a bore regardless of that whole SFIV screw up, though apparently she's in SFV with some changes.  Another title to get to eventually.

But, can't have it all, and just from being from fighting games they should have plenty of sprites to make an entertaining fight to watch, at the very least.  I'd presume Painwheel gets the win, seeing Ibuki got the last win against a Skullgirl character.


Oh look, more Raiden.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Dumanios on March 19, 2017, 07:39:49 pm
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Post by: D.R.B on March 19, 2017, 11:56:59 pm
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yes

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Post by: Titiln on March 19, 2017, 11:57:53 pm
that wasnt very exciting
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Post by: ,mem on March 20, 2017, 12:03:12 am
It feels like fights have been getting shorter or is that just me?
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Post by: franco_ɛ̃fini on March 20, 2017, 12:50:27 am
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yes

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Also Zoro won in DB, alongside of OMM and DBX.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 22, 2017, 07:03:21 pm
It's out


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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2017, 02:07:16 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2017, 12:38:35 pm
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 23, 2017, 06:49:36 pm
Another "not even close" matchup here.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2017, 11:45:14 pm
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Post by: Deadface on March 24, 2017, 12:18:06 am
Majin Buu had no reason to lose to Kirby
oh boy this again
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2017, 12:23:16 am
...I was listing rather commonly disagreed outcomes from Death Battle, is all?  No, we're not starting up actually going in why who should win for those past battles if that's what you're worried about, but it's fairly well agreed that match had its fair share of errors.

Granted, is there any episode they've made without errors of some form?  It's all fictional stats anyways.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on March 27, 2017, 04:17:18 pm
-They put out special death battles every 25 episodes as ben said (both goku vs superman fights) with this being their 75th
-and this one is their most expensive and time consuming fight being delayed since the pinky pie vs deadpool fight

Ooooooh boy this is gonna be a long fight....
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 27, 2017, 07:26:31 pm


So the next two combatants are officially announced now.  Interestingly, they're going 3D for this one.  Guess they didn't find any suitable Voltron sprites to match.
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Post by: D.R.B on March 28, 2017, 12:15:47 am
so its really Megazord Vs Voltron ?

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Post by: Person Man on March 28, 2017, 12:43:54 am
Actually, I think the Megazord has the edge in this one.  If you split them out into their component parts, which you know they will at some point, the individual Dinozords have a lot more variable utility than the Voltron lion mechs do. 

And if they end up digging into the Japanese origins for more feats or info, then the robot it's based off of, Daizyujin, is literally God.
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Post by: D.R.B on March 28, 2017, 12:57:30 am
And if they end up digging into the Japanese origins for more feats or info, then the robot it's based off of, Daizyujin, is literally God.

I don't think they well, Voltron and Power Rangers series are treated as a completely unrelated series to the original , they even went as far as changing plot points   
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 28, 2017, 04:13:50 am
The splitting up part is actually a very good point I had not considered.  I don't think it's winning the match level of importance, but it is something to drag the match out longer to make it seem more even.  If Voltron's got the better stats combined, Power Rangers should get the upper hand when separated.  However, I'm sure they'll notice the individual Zords are then just that much easier to kill when Voltron's fused together, they just need to take down one to screw up Megazord's chances, and then the PR will come to the same conclusion and stay fused from that point on.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 29, 2017, 07:38:52 pm
Now that the teaser is out, here's the actual Power Ranger side preview

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Post by: Person Man on March 29, 2017, 07:46:05 pm
They're spending a lot more time focusing on the team than the robot.  If that's the case, then the Rangers have got this in the bag.  I'll cop to not being overly familiar with Voltron, but I'm fairly certain that its team are just pilots, right?  They don't really have any special skills or powers if they're not in their robot, do they?
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Post by: ,mem on March 29, 2017, 07:49:13 pm
I believe they have weapons on their own.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 29, 2017, 08:03:18 pm
Tigerzord vs Epyon also spent a considerable amount of time studying the possible feats the White Ranger could perform outside his zord, though they say it's to calculate the max performance of the zord copying his actions.

I don't see how the Rangers skills would come into play outside way early in the match, right as it starts and before we get into mechs, they rush to take one of the Voltron pilots down (Which we know doesn't happen just by the teaser trailer), or they somehow jump out of their zord and get into one of the Voltron mechs.  Which I also don't see happening.  On foot, they stand less chance than in their zords against any of the Voltron mechs, combined or split up.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 29, 2017, 08:07:48 pm
They're spending a lot more time focusing on the team than the robot.  If that's the case, then the Rangers have got this in the bag.  I'll cop to not being overly familiar with Voltron, but I'm fairly certain that its team are just pilots, right?  They don't really have any special skills or powers if they're not in their robot, do they?

In the latest version they each have their own special bayard which gives them a special weapon, which corresponds to the weapon they give Voltron

Keith's, for instance, forms a sword
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Post by: Person Man on March 29, 2017, 08:13:39 pm
^ Huh.  Shows what I know, I guess.

I don't see how the Rangers skills would come into play outside way early in the match, right as it starts and before we get into mechs, they rush to take one of the Voltron pilots down (Which we know doesn't happen just by the teaser trailer), or they somehow jump out of their zord and get into one of the Voltron mechs.  Which I also don't see happening.  On foot, they stand less chance than in their zords against any of the Voltron mechs, combined or split up.

They'll probably have it split into three parts:  Power Rangers vs Lion Force ==> Dinozords vs Lion Mechs ==>  Megazord vs Voltron.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 01, 2017, 01:42:06 am

Got us a new Super Power Beat Down.

That is a strangely buff McGinnis.  Arkham Asylum model, I'm presuming?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 01, 2017, 03:23:40 am
Well that was..... incredibly underwhelming. If they're going to keep up with animation like that, they should stick with giant robots. That was way too janky for acrobatic heroes such as Batman Beyond and Spider-Man 2099
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Post by: rgveda99 on April 01, 2017, 03:39:54 am
Spiderman 2099 doesn't stand a chance.

They should have gone with the other web caped Spidey complete with more high tech weaponry and cloaking device..



And they're always missing Spidey 2099's cape.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on April 01, 2017, 07:54:35 am
Except Spidey unlimited is still Peter Parker and not in the future.. which was the whole point of this fight. Heroes from the future
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Post by: D.R.B on April 01, 2017, 05:26:32 pm
OMM
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 01, 2017, 05:43:26 pm
Boring. One got offense in, then the other came back and won, there was no trading at all. Hopefully the next fight with Vega and God Rugal should be more inspired.
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Post by: Foobs on April 01, 2017, 07:04:15 pm
In the latest version they each have their own special bayard which gives them a special weapon, which corresponds to the weapon they give Voltron

Keith's, for instance, forms a sword
There's also the fact that the Voltron Paladins' leader has a military background, a robot arm that can cut through steel hulls and experience as a gladiator champion in the super deadly intergalactic coliseum hosted by the blood thirsty Galra Empire.

Meanwhile, the red ranger has. .. attitude?

 
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 02, 2017, 07:16:46 pm

Nice animation, weak ending.

Waiting for the day that "You ruined my hair, now I'm unstoppable" gag doesn't work.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 02, 2017, 07:42:28 pm
Hmm, are they backing off on the "every fight must end in death" rule for these?
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 02, 2017, 07:57:30 pm
I'm guessing that last punch was supposed to be a sort of heart stopping attack, but it does leave it up to interpretation either way.

So I'm also guessing no, they just didn't do a good job implying he's dead.
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Post by: D.R.B on April 06, 2017, 01:33:40 am
Voltron Forms Into DEATH BATTLE!
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 12, 2017, 08:00:52 pm
Here we go.

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Post by: Person Man on April 12, 2017, 08:09:53 pm
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Post by: Sima Shi on April 12, 2017, 08:19:35 pm
one of the reason i rather watch Super sentai than crappy cheesy power rangers

since in original (japanese|) version of that mech is a god in kyoryu sentai zyuranger and he can talk if you watch them you will understand why its different
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Post by: BurningSoul on April 12, 2017, 08:36:59 pm
called it
anyways,
next one feels like a tie,unless Natsu eats ace,or Ace does same thing he did on One Minute Melee.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 12, 2017, 08:38:46 pm
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as for next time
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Post by: rgveda99 on April 13, 2017, 01:39:09 am
That was fun. I'm surprised they toned down the violence.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 13, 2017, 02:58:22 am
Devil's Advocate time.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on April 14, 2017, 03:01:55 pm
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Well if you're up to date with the manga then Natsu is actually
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But that aside... again I'll bring up that this is DB, and even though we all know that Natsu is technically a lock to win, they will probably use some stupid reasoning based on some obscure reference in a non-canon ova or short story that Ace can do something that will beat Natsu. Remember their research since season 2 has been kinda dodgy and biased based on Ben's preference.

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Post by: Foobs on April 14, 2017, 06:35:11 pm
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Ace was only 19 when he died. And the particular way he died guarantees he's going to lose this match.

(http://pa1.narvii.com/5823/9c3035020f023dc1b5926e0b865db79c93a96949_hq.gif)

Akainu is a magma-magma man. Magma is hotter than fire, so this happened. DB is probably going to dig Natsu hottest flame, make up a number to justify how much heat he produced and how it could kill Ace.

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 15, 2017, 12:30:14 am
Well if you're up to date with the manga
I've only read the very first chapter of the first book.  I kinda immediately hated the girl false protag wanting to be a witch and figured it wasn't my kind of series anyways.  So no, I'm not a reliable source for any knowledge of the series beyond basic wikis and research online.

But ok, he's the typical elf trope.  Like Inuyahsa, 14 years old mentally and physically, really 150.  A number of those years in a spiritual stasis but eh, you know what I mean.

So now that we're out of spoiler territory, while I'm inclined to agree with bias in their match-ups and research (Cloud vs Link will always be a sore spot.  I figure anything FF VII with them will be, though), that info given on Ace having died from a hotter fire source, and Natsu controlling lightning means he controls plasma, which is bound to give him the heat advantage seems too clear cut.  Also didn't take Ace to be 19.  He just seemed 30-something to me, I dunno.  One Piece was also not a seires I followed deeply.  I also placed Luffy as a more blatant Adult Goku knock-off from before Z, so mid-20s.

They don't always get it right when it seems apparent, but you do have your occasional Flash vs Quicksilver or Venom vs Bane.
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Post by: Darkflare on April 15, 2017, 10:32:03 pm
So next one is obviously one-sided?

Been skipping a few of these because the winner was obvious and could be seen a mile away or the match up isn't that interesting at all
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 15, 2017, 11:36:22 pm
I mean, I'm ignorant of the two for the most part, but their basic details make it seem so.  And those more knowledgeable seem to agree.  You always got the chance something obscure will show up, like One Piece's creator tweeted Ace didn't eat devil fruit, he is Satan and can never die or something weird like that just to cause an upset, but I don't imagine this one being one of those cases.
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Post by: Zemilia on April 16, 2017, 12:29:59 am
Heads up, new OMM.



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Post by: Pooh Hardy on April 16, 2017, 04:33:13 am
is the scientist supposed to be boskonovitch from tekken?
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 16, 2017, 09:09:17 am
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Post by: Beta158 on April 16, 2017, 08:26:40 pm
Breaking news boys and girls

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Post by: Malikai on April 17, 2017, 03:42:09 am
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Ace was only 19 when he died. And the particular way he died guarantees he's going to lose this match.

(http://pa1.narvii.com/5823/9c3035020f023dc1b5926e0b865db79c93a96949_hq.gif)

Akainu is a magma-magma man. Magma is hotter than fire, so this happened. DB is probably going to dig Natsu hottest flame, make up a number to justify how much heat he produced and how it could kill Ace.
Thats not the particularly the case here. The reason Akainu could hurt Ace was mainly because his magma could smother Ace's flames.  There are apparently higher arches in devil fruit classes (for example when Ace fought Smoker when he first appeared it ended in a stalemate since neither element is over the other)
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Post by: rgveda99 on April 17, 2017, 10:19:13 am
Breaking news boys and girls

https://youtu.be/wJFwgPqA1og

Wished they use the SNES sprite for the fighting game TMNT Tournament Fighters and the Xmen Capcom beat em up for Wolvie.
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Post by: Person Man on April 19, 2017, 08:47:37 pm
Natsu promo:

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 19, 2017, 11:10:01 pm
Surprisingly in-depth preview on his skills as well as his history, when they typically focus more on the character's background details instead.  Supposing it's either a shorter episode or Natsu's profile is just going to drag on in the full thing.  Pun unintended.

That story sounds unnecessarily convoluted.  Dragon dad raising kid who's family was killed by dragons to then kill dragons himself seemed weird enough.  Eh, guess that's why I'm not a writer.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 23, 2017, 02:29:55 am

New Arcade Mode's out.

I'm not getting the connection between the next two.  It's not as simple as red outfits and childish banter/child-at-heart mentality when older, is it?
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Post by: rgveda99 on April 23, 2017, 09:21:48 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqR5AKIXcKo[/youtube]
New Arcade Mode's out.

I'm not getting the connection between the next two.  It's not as simple as red outfits and childish banter/child-at-heart mentality when older, is it?

They're both billionare superheroes with butlers(comics 616 Jarvis Marvel side)?

Edit:
Sorry, speed reading again.

Red and quick reflexes I guess.

From what I remember Spidey battled Quicksilver and Spidey won. Though against the Flash he doesn't stand a chance.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 29, 2017, 08:24:05 am
Redux/Alternate ending




I agree more with this outcome personally but the actual "end" to the fight as always is abrupt, stupid and doesn't make a lot of sense (not even a spoiler at this point, it's a theme)


But that addition at the end... like... c'mon guys. Just let it be.
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Post by: D.R.B on April 30, 2017, 11:49:35 pm
new DBX

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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 03, 2017, 07:25:42 pm
Well well well
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Post by: ,mem on May 03, 2017, 07:31:42 pm
 
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Post by: Person Man on May 11, 2017, 02:38:45 am
Submarine

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Post by: Dumanios on May 11, 2017, 09:23:29 pm


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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 11, 2017, 09:56:15 pm
I swear..  the plots for those arcade modes are getting worse and worse.. the whole premise of this one was utter shit.

Also lol at the dc fangirls in the comments
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 11, 2017, 11:46:33 pm
That...was not as funny as they likely thought it was.  I wanted to praise the animation, at least at the beginning.  Then they got to showing how well Flash can chew with his mouth open and it kinda stayed in that range from that point.

I mean, if you're going to make a match fan vote based anyways, then that's the point to make it seem fair, regardless of their actual stats.  Ah well, I questioned what was their common factor besides red outfits and sassy attitudes before, and still don't see a good connection now.  Especially how they portrayed Flash here loses all his charm.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 14, 2017, 10:02:29 pm
Waifu Wars

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 14, 2017, 10:17:01 pm
Unsurprisingly, higher quality fighting game sprites make for a better fight.  Don't really know them beyond Noel and from an outsider's perspective, but still kinda predictable the one that can transform wins.  Or at least DOES transform in the fight, anyways.

...If by transform, that is, you mean tear off your leotard and bolt a chastity belt to you.  Anime remains weird, moving on.
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Post by: lui on May 15, 2017, 12:03:32 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndmvyEkxNbY[/youtube]

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this is just downright cringeworthy. the animation is ass and the voices are terrible.

mighty raccoon is getting worse and worse
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Post by: ,mem on May 15, 2017, 12:17:32 am
It's almost like they're just doing it for the views now.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 15, 2017, 08:05:18 am
Lol, a lot of people got really pissy over that flash vs spiderman video
Almost as if they took a joke seriously
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Post by: SNT on May 16, 2017, 02:55:51 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpCbCD6mRkk[/youtube]
Load of shit. Person who made this only ever played P4A.
Spoiler: "well what do you know, SNT bitching about a death battle result" (click to see content)
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on May 17, 2017, 12:18:10 am
And then you realise this wasn't a Death Battle and thus no research was made. The end result was simply who the animators wanted to win.
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Post by: D.R.B on May 17, 2017, 01:11:40 pm
Trailer - Gon vs Midoriya (OMM Season 4 Finale)
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Post by: BurningSoul on May 17, 2017, 01:18:30 pm
cool they are using Jump Ultimate Stars sprites,
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Post by: Person Man on May 18, 2017, 01:30:07 am


I didn't know anything about Glacius before this recap and now I know even less.
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Post by: ,mem on May 18, 2017, 01:32:06 am
Evil Walmart aka normal Walmart.
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Post by: Prime SC on May 18, 2017, 05:13:18 am
Ohh yeah another W for the killer instinct universe
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 18, 2017, 05:26:19 am
That video didn't exactly give me the greatest confidence that Glacius has this so easy?  Especially if his cyromancy is a secondary trait, and not something he's adept in, rather just a psychic who focuses on ice because it's where he landed?  More-so, does that imply his powers are lost if he loses his shell?

Because wow, that's such an easy win for Sub-Zero in that case.  Ice manipulate the armor off, Glacius loses all his power.  It's almost a little like Toph vs Garra.  Except Sub-Zero has the means and will to get in close.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on May 24, 2017, 07:45:02 pm
It's out

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 24, 2017, 11:54:18 pm
Spoiler: This death battle (click to see content)

Spoiler: Theories on the next one (click to see content)
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Post by: Person Man on May 25, 2017, 03:06:43 am
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Post by: ,mem on May 25, 2017, 06:13:04 am
Besides some exceptions it feels like death battle is becoming a quick cash grab thus meaning lower quality.....if it wasn't one already.
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Post by: Prime SC on May 25, 2017, 06:27:45 am
I swear they old fights would be at least 5-10 minutes long this shit was like 2 minutes and I didn't like it at all
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Post by: Person Man on May 25, 2017, 02:20:17 pm
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You might want to wait until the actual episode comes out before you start getting mad at the result.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 25, 2017, 11:19:01 pm
They do have a questionable track record with the one of those universes.  And somewhat of an alignment to cut some of the facts in favor of the more present and relevant one, something that's been reoccurring in a handful of fights with objectionable outcomes.  Yeah, the fight's not out yet, maybe we'll get a nice surprise, but I can't really blame him at being anxious.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 27, 2017, 03:47:13 am


Season 4 finale.
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Post by: Foobs on May 27, 2017, 04:05:04 am
Bummer, neither of them lost an arm.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 27, 2017, 05:18:55 am
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You might want to wait until the actual episode comes out before you start getting mad at the result.
the anime of DBS is the furthest in the story so fa(ahead of the manga thats still in the goku black arc) r, it's gonna take around 3 weeks for this to drop and by then we'll probably not even get around to the main fights in which 18 could or not show off new skills tricks and power. Regardless of the future outcome, the matchup and timing are still dumb.

But if thats what you call "getting mad" (i never said anything about the result, cuz frankly it's most likely gonna be dated no matter who wins) i guess i'm rightfully mad.
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Post by: D.R.B on May 28, 2017, 07:04:11 pm
DBX

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 28, 2017, 07:16:50 pm
Minus their really weird close-ups trying to make their eyes bigger, why don't they switch the amount of work they put into animating these into their actual Death Battles?  This is clearly superiorly done, yet their focus should be on the actual show.

Better off of course would be having both done well, but I'd rather the full episodes being this good and the DBX ones being like Trish and the other Bayonetta girl, not the other way around.
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Post by: ,mem on May 28, 2017, 07:32:13 pm
Like I I said Death Battle is basically a cash grab now they pronanly din't care about quality as much amd just want it put.....either that or they don't know what they're doing.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 28, 2017, 10:02:50 pm
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Post by: Darkflare on May 28, 2017, 10:14:28 pm
Or it could be due to the characters. Might be easier to make a flashy fight with Cloud and Guts than Subby and Glacius.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 28, 2017, 10:20:18 pm
But Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct are all about flash over substance.  Yeah, something with Cloud and to an extent Guts would be more over the top than either of them, it's just how Final Fantasy and Berserk are, but for something involving both MK and KI, it was pretty bland overall.  I think it's the speed they're animating them at that's the issue.  Both of them were too slow in comparison to how they animate in their respective games to drag out the fight, when in-game both are practically spazzing out in their combos.

I suppose also part of the issue is having enough quality sprites for both combatants.  Sub-Zero's got plenty of fan spritework, heck, you got SeanAltly's MK ninjas to use like they did with Scorpion's match.  But Glacius is rather lacking to my knowledge, so they'd rather keep them on similar levels of spritework.  Though it didn't look terrible for the Goliath vs Beast one, so I dunno.  That one has its own issues as well.
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Post by: D.R.B on May 29, 2017, 12:04:24 am
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Post by: D.R.B on May 31, 2017, 07:27:53 pm
Android 18 Energizes into DEATH BATTLE!
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 01, 2017, 05:13:42 am
Their pronunciation of Lazuli threw me off, after being accustomed to Lapis Lazuli the Gem for so long now.

That preview did not fill me with any sort of confidence in their rectifying DBZ stats when they're more impressed with knocking Vegeta into a stone wall than keeping up with him at all.  Still feel they're going to give this to Carol.
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Post by: Malikai on June 02, 2017, 04:17:19 am
Its a preview. They'll give it a full run down when the time comes.

 Considering how hard it is to actually have a decent match up involving this series I wouldn't gripe about it. I hate dbz vs debates but they still have more wins then losses in death battle.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2017, 05:19:11 am
There's been 5 death battles with Dragon Ball.  Three of them losses, two of them wins.  And one of those losses was a repeat match, so even if you do not count that it's tied.  On top of that, the stats on 4 out of 5 of them have been highly questionable after not even all that deep research.  You can only be so wrong or right with Hercule's feats, after all.

Also the bleeding effect of Dragon Ball losing stupidly into other things like OMM is somewhat aggravating, to be honest, so would be nice if we could dial back off that a bit, yeah?

But yes, I know these previews don't tell the full story needed to compare and contrast them.  Just their wording of this is starting to look very predictable.  However since my last post I've been made aware apparently Carol lost a straight 1vs1 fight to Captain America within the time since she's been rebooted into Captain Marvel rather than Ms. Marvel?  If that's accurate, there's no way they're going to twist Captain America being more impressive than #18.  Right?
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Post by: Malikai on June 04, 2017, 03:12:35 am
There's been 5 death battles with Dragon Ball.  Three of them losses, two of them wins.  And one of those losses was a repeat match, so even if you do not count that it's tied.  On top of that, the stats on 4 out of 5 of them have been highly questionable after not even all that deep research.  You can only be so wrong or right with Hercule's feats, after all.

Also the bleeding effect of Dragon Ball losing stupidly into other things like OMM is somewhat aggravating, to be honest, so would be nice if we could dial back off that a bit, yeah?

Actually there have been 6 death battles involving DBZ. You might be forgetting the double curbstomp that is Vegeta vs Shadow.
All in all death battle dbz record 3-3 (2-2 without rematches) in regards to OMM, Frieza, Broly, and Goku(even if he died) one there matches with cell being one of the only losses.

If you feel I came at you aggressively my apologies; And also correcting my error on the w/l ratio.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 06, 2017, 09:11:53 pm
goku vs superman  1 and 2
hercule vs dan
kirby vs buu (without superbuu)
vegeta vs shadow
and now this

The worst part is that they acknowledge the DBS issue in a DBcast and passed it off with such BS, "Oh well she's probably gonna lose anyway"... Wtf kind of excuse is that?
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Post by: MAO11 on June 06, 2017, 09:36:27 pm
meh i don't care who wins or loses i just want a good animation if they can't have that what's the point.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 07, 2017, 12:01:53 am
The worst part is that they acknowledge the DBS issue in a DBcast and passed it off with such BS, "Oh well she's probably gonna lose anyway"... Wtf kind of excuse is that?
Can you link that?  Those things are around an hour long each and of those I did attempt to watch, they tend to get off topic so this could just be a throw-away line in any of them.

While I don't find them doing Dragon Ball much justice, I also find it hard they announced who's won their next match a week and a half ahead of its premiere.
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Post by: Person Man on June 07, 2017, 08:15:45 pm
Promo for Carol

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Post by: Long John Killer on June 07, 2017, 11:38:48 pm
Hate to be a broken record, but all that building up Carol's powers, splicing in footage taking on the Hulk and 18 "Can punch people into stone walls"?  Come on, now.
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Post by: Person Man on June 08, 2017, 12:21:54 am
What do you expect?  Carol Danvers has been around a hell of a lot longer than Android 18 and been in way more stuff.  You expect them to just ignore most of the reference material for one character just to give the other one an advantage?
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 08, 2017, 12:25:32 am
No, I expect the initial previews to at least pretend to make it look even to the newcomer not familiar with the characters when intentionally not giving out all information, or alternatively do give the entire character breakdowns and stats in these.
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Post by: Person Man on June 08, 2017, 01:01:01 am
That's just how it goes with Dragon Ball, honestly.  As popular as it is, when you get right down to it there really isn't all that much source material to work with.  Especially when you get down to the tertiary characters like 18.
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Post by: Malikai on June 09, 2017, 04:06:42 am
Once you get past Dragonball, the series starts becoming more based off powerscaling as it continues. The logic of every fight pretty much becomes the stronger you are, the less effective different superpowers have on you. This would be consistent if things like Goku getting struck down by a laser didnt happen.

Anyway besides 18 fight against Vegeta and alternate timeline Zfighters she doesnt have alot of feats especially compared to Captain Marvel.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 09, 2017, 05:34:15 am
Wasn't the laser's issue retconned in the Super manga?  Not that it wasn't stupid, but it's more believable that Goku had figured he has won and dropped his power back to normal levels before getting shot than just, well, some random old decoder ring laser shot through him in any of his transformations.

The problem I'm anticipating isn't the number of feats, but the magnitude of them.  But they don't like to scale by comparison of other Dragon Ball characters's own feats which are then surpassed, and they neglect the whole light speed limit broken way early on, so everyone's always moving at stupid speeds.  So just by visual information given by the show/manga where 18's been, they will likely write her down at a fraction of her actual speed.  And with much of the majority of Dragon Ball physical fights impacts are made against the other actual opponent, not much in terms of, say, lifting and throwing a continent, it's hard to gauge their prowess in that area too, outside waves of pressure causing indents in nearby rocks.  Hypothetically, if their energy-based powers increase by magnitudes of thousands and is tied to their physical power as well, they should be hitting at, well, thousands units of force above whatever the level was for blowing up the moon way back when.  But again with 18, she just doesn't have any screen time needed to blow up a planet or anything of the sort.  She's there to make a mockery of Super Saiyans, who we've until then been shown to be massively powerful.

I'd like to imagine still with these nerfs they'll find the Dectruco Disc's ability to cut through anything should be just the thing needed that Carol doesn't have any counter to.  But I'm also presuming they'll write it as any energy can be absorbed, thus she'll just eat it up.  Would be nice if I was mistaken and worrying about nothing though.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 09, 2017, 04:24:31 pm
I don't wanna be a party pooper but I really don't see why you have any hope left in them or trying to mentally justify the metrics they use these days.

Take Goku vs Superman for example, Superman still would have won, yes okay, but that doesn't excuse the shit math they used for Goku.

They took his fight with Freiza power level and added the SSJ multipliers from there which is so many levels of wrong. It's kind of a lost cause at this point.


Besides, in a twist of fate it seems like all their good animators are either on OMM or even DBX. It's kind of sad really.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 09, 2017, 11:24:18 pm
I'm not on board with the specific type of Superman they want to use being victorious.  Not that there aren't other iterations that can win, it's just the most believably consistent Superman, I just don't see it.  Superman is not seriously infinite in all accords in canon, he's of infinite possibilities to write.  Also come on, the two should end up friends, even in a bloodlusted to the death situation.  It's pure-hearted Goku and freaking definition of good morals Superman.  Now, DBS Goku and any current pop culture variant of Superman on the other hand...

Why?  I dunno.  I guess I'm just a stubborn fan boy who's hoping for proper representation with the series after enough people calling them out on their errors.  Same why I got worked up over the ridiculousness with Ramona Flowers or Jak & Daxter or Final Fantasy VII as a whole.  Nobody really likes the thing they enjoy misconstrued, even as trivial as this.  So I'm just preemptively venting.

Hey, at least it isn't Samus vs Master Chief, or I'd legit be going insane over every detail.  Or currently anything Steven Universe.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 10, 2017, 02:41:22 pm
I guess you're right. I had the same kind of issue with their Jotaro vs Kenshiro OMM which I think was done well for the most part but when it came down to the finish it became a contest of brute strength (Which Jotaro won obviously) the problem with this is twofold.



First of all, in Hokuto no Ken itself, Raw strength is mocked at every turn in the plot. It means literally nothing each of the martial artists have inherent defense and some even immunity to it. It even bends against Kenshiro's favor when he started to run out of tricks to try on a major villain, losing the battle because of his lack of skill, not strength.



On the other hand, they didn't even begin to touch on Jotaro and Kenshiro's greatest abilities. Even ignoring the awful choices made in HNK2 that HNK fans like myself try to pretend don't exist, Kenshiro has both the ability to become totally intangible for an undefined ammount of time and can not only perfectly imitate any attack he sees, but with his final secret art, Musou Tensei, Kenshiro channels the spirits of his dead allies to stand alongside him and give him their own deep intimate and flawless knowledge of their martial arts down to the tiniest of minute detail. Even HNK1 and HNK2 itself seem to try to downplay it's epicness after it's debut because it would kind of make any new threats impossibe so he... just.. stops using it.


But a show like Death Battle that actually tried to see how far that rabbit hole goes could make out an interesting fight that would hopefully satisfy my desire for a better comparison of abilities.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 10, 2017, 02:50:34 pm
dont overthink OMMs, they're (for the most part) are written by the animators(in that case aquila)
Aside from common knowledge they dont tend to put much research in franchises when working on them since its just for fun

DBs on the otherhand, in an old DBcast ben admitted that these DBs can be debunked sometimes (example, toph vs gaara. I looked high and low for any instance of toph manipulating chakra in the show, turns out its mainly an avatar exclusive perk)

Seth the programmer is a good example of debunking Death battles imo
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 10, 2017, 07:17:32 pm
The fight nobody asked for!

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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 10, 2017, 07:50:53 pm
At least they didn't give him Shippuden feats to try and sway the balance
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 11, 2017, 10:29:31 pm
That DBX was amazing. Couldn't care less if the matchup wasn't requested
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 13, 2017, 08:45:44 pm
new OMM animator Hyozen joins the HG crew
here's his audition
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Post by: MAO11 on June 14, 2017, 02:41:46 pm
it's good. if i were omm i would hire him.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 14, 2017, 07:50:54 pm
Oh boy




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Post by: Darkflare on June 14, 2017, 08:03:21 pm
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 14, 2017, 08:06:46 pm
Gosh.. did not see that result coming..no sir... quite a surprise
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Post by: Beta158 on June 14, 2017, 08:11:48 pm
Well thank goodness it wasn't Dc vs Dragon Ball. Plus Metal vs Zero should be interesting (if they get it right)
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 14, 2017, 08:13:40 pm
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 14, 2017, 09:16:26 pm
So how about that Metal Sonic vs. Zero match coming next?

What

What a bizarre matchup

I mean I guess it's a follow up to Eggman vs Wily with their greatest creations going up against each other

But it's Zero no question

Even if we ignore the Megaman Zero games he still has an insane amount of abilities to draw from
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Post by: Malikai on June 14, 2017, 11:11:43 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 14, 2017, 11:37:38 pm
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Post by: Infinite kyo on June 15, 2017, 12:02:40 am
eh a win is a win I'm happy 18 won lol
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Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2017, 12:07:31 am
I love how even though they gave 18 the win, the comments are still full of salty DBZ fans bitching about all the other videos where a DBZ character lost.

Never suggest to a fanboy that DBZ is not the greatest thing that has ever existed, because apparently they will never forgive you.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 15, 2017, 12:11:33 am
Eh, true enough.

Guess winner's out of spoiler territory.  But hey, it is hard to blame them when ScrewAttack's just painfully off on their information.  It's not hard to blame them when it's nothing but raging without thought though.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 15, 2017, 12:35:10 am
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I love how even though they gave 18 the win, the comments are still full of salty DBZ fans bitching about all the other videos where a DBZ character lost.

Never suggest to a fanboy that DBZ is not the greatest thing that has ever existed, because apparently they will never forgive you.

at least they didn't add more fuel to fire i guess
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Post by: Malikai on June 15, 2017, 01:51:12 am
Eh, true enough.

Guess winner's out of spoiler territory.  But hey, it is hard to blame them when ScrewAttack's just painfully off on their information.  It's not hard to blame them when it's nothing but raging without thought though.

Problem is I do blame the fans. I wholeheartedly dislike any debate dealing with db characters or even really watching super because of fans. The series isnt as consistent and when trying to use real world logic to explain it your either lowballing or highballing.

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Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2017, 02:04:51 am
The takeaway I've been getting from all of this is that when you look at it critically and objectively, the stuff that Dragon Ball characters do isn't actually terribly impressive when removed from the context of Dragon Ball. 

It's a series that's built on hyping itself up more and more and telling the viewer how high the stakes keep climbing while the stuff they actually demonstrate doesn't scale to match it.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 15, 2017, 02:37:45 am
That's just the trouble with the stupid high stats Dragon Ball runs on.  They past such a high threshold so early on, that to continue doing things on that scale just makes writing the story problematic.  So things had to get condensed and everyone had to worry about planetary safety when fighting, or else Vegeta will wiff a regular punch against Cell by accident, and the shockwave will cut Earth in two and carry on through space through Venus and Mercury.  So yeah, you're left with tell instead of show for the real extent of their powers, because you're always left with two or more combatants that are holding back when there are a number of times where you'd figure they really don't need to.  Frieza wouldn't have had the issue with being worried for his life and only half-destroying Namek if he accidently blew up Namek early (Though it would have rid him of his Saiyan pest way earlier than he intended) if he actually threw blasts that could blow up the planet as he easily could.  But it wouldn't be a very good story then, would it?
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Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2017, 03:01:28 am
DBZ Drinking game:  Take a shot every time a character comes back "10 times as strong as the last time we fought!!" and then proceeds to have the exact same fight but with a slight advantage.

Be dead of alcohol poisoning by the end of the Frieza saga.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 15, 2017, 01:42:34 pm
Called it, seth debunked already
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 16, 2017, 12:29:49 am
That guy's not inherently wrong in his debunking videos, but he's such a narcissistic jerk in his reproach so often it's hard to really support.  We get it, Screw Attack is pretty bad at being accurate, they're not scum of the Earth.  I get mad at their nonsense sometimes too but chill.

Minus the attitude, he briefly mentions a few things that I had mentioned as well that I figured SA would forgo like the crossing Namek feat and their extreme downplaying of blasts in DBZ, plus the new puzzler of energy absorption which just isn't a thing for her so yeah...his take is a bit more accurate, if less professionally presented.  Regarding SA's possibly wrong information on Carol though, it seems Seth here is using Binary's stats prior to her losing the form and it taking a deep permanent dive in power, so it seems pointless?  Not to mention maybe cracking the speed of light limit is still so way slower than 18 it doesn't matter, like, at all?
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Post by: Person Man on June 16, 2017, 12:35:59 am
That looks and sounds like some opportunistic dickweed trying to score free views by pandering to fans of whichever side lost the last Death Battle.  Why should anyone believe that this gaggle of nasally nobodies is any more well-researched or less biased than Screw Attack?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 16, 2017, 02:51:08 pm
New Superpower Beatdown



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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 16, 2017, 11:11:52 pm
That looks and sounds like some opportunistic dickweed trying to score free views by pandering to fans of whichever side lost the last Death Battle.  Why should anyone believe that this gaggle of nasally nobodies is any more well-researched or less biased than Screw Attack?

but dude, he covers both sides capabilities equally. this isn't fanboy rage, he's legit calling out SA on their flaws in research. unless....you actually think 18 is as strong as she was in the android saga only... he also makes analysis videos on how strong characters are and how well they'd be against others( taking actual character mentality into consideration instead of SA's "they must have a blood lust")
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 17, 2017, 06:39:20 am
Yeah.. I dunno if it's his mic or if it's just his voice but I cudnt listen more than 5 minutes... not to mention their whole delivery of their research comes across incredibly prudish
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Post by: Malikai on June 17, 2017, 06:52:52 am
Their opening alone sorta triggers me. Given how he complains about 18 flinching to boulders doesnt make it any better.

Besides, its not like Carol has alot of fans right now anyway so no one is gonna really rage about it.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 19, 2017, 11:29:09 pm
So, while it's still not the way I would have gone about finding their speeds, Screw Attack opened up and admitted to their calculations being wrong on 18.  It's a pinned comment in the video itself, but I'll just leave a quote here just in case.

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Uh oh! We realized we didn't calculate Android 18's speed correctly.

- SPOILERS TO FOLLOW!! -

She's actually much faster! While this doesn't affect the results, we'd still like to address this. She can actually travel over 15,300,000 miles per hour.

Time to show our work! In Dragon Ball, measurable feats are few and far between. For "Goku VS Superman" we developed the Gravity Formula to determine Goku's potential based on gravity training at certain points in the series. It's not perfect or exact, but it's the closest we could get to something concrete while avoiding vague speculation. In the Buu saga near the end of DBZ, Goku at base wears weights equivalent to 586x gravity, so we can apply that as comparison for feats related to other gravity training periods. His flight over Snake Way after 10x gravity training clocked him at 6,800 mph. Thus, after training on Earth (1x gravity) before training with King Kai, he could theoretically move up to around 680 mph. If that seems slow to you, remember this is travel speed & not reaction time.

In order to determine 18's speed, we can apply the same ideas. She's shown to be physically equal to Vegeta in first-grade Super Saiyan 1 form. She's likely superior, but the difference isn't very apparent and she primarily wins by tiring him out while relying on her unlimited energy source. While we are wary of rudimentary & unrestrained power scaling, Goku & Vegeta are clearly similar enough for us to directly compare without much concern. Prior to fighting 18, Vegeta's training capped at 450x gravity. (We can reasonably assume further gravity increases can be applied to second grade & full power SSJ1 forms, but that's unrelated to this.) Also, a Super Saiyan 1 transformation is well documented to increase a Saiyan's power 50 times that of their Base Form for the duration of the new form's use.

Therefore, the formula is "680 mph x 50 x 450"
(Base Saiyan speed at 1x gravity) x (Super Saiyan increase) x (Vegeta's max gravity training at the time)

And this gives us the answer that Vegeta, during the Android Saga, could travel at least 15,300,000 miles per hour. (24623000 km/hr) Thus, Android 18 should be  similar. Keep in mind that the formula obviously takes a simplified look at DBZ physics to avoid presumptuous complications, and the conclusion is ultimately an estimation. Vegeta could be slower than this and 18 is likely faster to some degree. We don't have enough data to pinpoint the exact number. However, we're working with numbers so large at this point that a couple additional ten-thousand-miles-per-hour here or there doesn't really change much, and this is as far as we can get without relying on speculation and assumption. We'd like to apologize about accidentally misrepresenting 18's speed. It certainly wasn't our intention. Luckily, this error doesn't affect the result, which is probably why it was missed in review. We know many fans appreciate their favorite characters being represented correctly, and we'll continue to make that a priority. If you have further questions, we'll answer what we can here or you can direct them to @BenBSinger on Twitter. We should cover this on this week's Death Battle Cast as well. Thank you for understanding, and we hope you enjoy our next episode!

While I still am highly against their formula, at least that's something good on them.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 21, 2017, 07:30:12 pm
Metal Sonic
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 25, 2017, 02:59:11 pm
,




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Post by: Person Man on June 28, 2017, 11:13:34 pm
Objectively cooler robot:

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Post by: Zemilia on July 01, 2017, 08:27:27 pm
And with this, season 5 of OMM starts:

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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 01, 2017, 08:36:00 pm
Damn, that was legit. Good trading, kept me guessing who was gonna come out on top.

Don't like the new show intro, though, the old one had better music and was straight to the point
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 01, 2017, 09:42:18 pm
^Pretty much what I was going to say. Great fight, but the new intro kinda sucks.
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Post by: RoySquadRocks on July 01, 2017, 10:09:10 pm
I see Shovel Knight and Shantae in the roster!!! Can't wait to see them fight someday!
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 05, 2017, 01:43:28 pm
Shantaes probably gonna fight fillia from skullgirls what with the hair
and meta knight for shovel knight......since....knights
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Post by: Infinite kyo on July 05, 2017, 04:02:32 pm
hmm Vergil vs Sephiroth rematch? that would be awesome
and Guts vs Kirito......I want Guts to murder his ass so bad lmao

as for the gohan vs superboy fight It was intense I wasn't sure who was gonna win but I am happy about the outcome also the Kamehameha and heat vision was dope
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Post by: RoySquadRocks on July 05, 2017, 05:17:04 pm
Shantaes probably gonna fight fillia from skullgirls what with the hair
and meta knight for shovel knight......since....knights
I really doubt it. Since Shantae and Shovel Knight are the two most popular indie characters in the series, it's most likely that there will be a Shantae vs Shovel Knight match some day. *crosses fingers*
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Post by: Darkflare on July 05, 2017, 09:18:45 pm
Eggman vs Wily rematch



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Post by: Person Man on July 06, 2017, 12:00:12 am
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Post by: D.R.B on July 06, 2017, 01:04:11 am
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Aftermath

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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 06, 2017, 02:33:05 am
Well that video was terrible

Anyway, the Death Battle went exactly as expected but I'll give the song choice credit for making me think of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McjxOBZrmoo)

Which always without fail makes me think of the most canon sprite animation ever made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VRUBV7ccsw)
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 06, 2017, 02:34:14 am
Lol, AnimationRewind trying to get some views off the DB crowd...
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Post by: ,mem on July 06, 2017, 02:48:35 am
I remember Zero vs Omega Zero that's one of my favorite sprite animations.
As for the death battle I expected Zero to win so it wasn't surprising.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 06, 2017, 03:23:47 am
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 06, 2017, 11:20:57 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 06, 2017, 06:16:12 pm
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Post by: D.R.B on July 07, 2017, 03:24:45 am
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 09, 2017, 06:02:49 am


Well this was certainly a video
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Post by: Infinite kyo on July 15, 2017, 07:55:31 pm
new OMM is out
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Post by: Person Man on July 19, 2017, 11:24:48 pm
Place ya bets.



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Post by: Long John Killer on July 19, 2017, 11:57:13 pm
I'd forgotten the fire abilities Renamon naturally has, thinking it didn't get any until Taomon with the Will-o-Wisp thing.

Hm.  Well, I'd say stat-wise, Lucario probably has the edge all around, jumping around mountains and a natural ability to negate Renamon's stealth tactics and/or clones.  However, type-wise, Lucario using Fighting, Steel, Ground or Dragon means nothing to Renamon's Animal/Data typing, as it has no equivalent in Pokémon.  However, Renamon using Fighting and Fire based attacks against Lucario's Fighting/Steel typing will be giving it a x4 offensive boost.  However, this Type matching didn't go both ways with Screwattack in Charizard vs Greymon, even though it should have, so I don't know if they'll bother taking that into affect. (WarGreymon being a Dragon would equally make it weak to Mega Charizard X's further boosted Dragon Claw as it was to WarGreymon's Dramon Killers, seeing as far as Pokémon skills work Dragon moves are still x2 effective against other Dragons)

Unless there's any one specific example that shows Renamon outclassing Lucario in speed by a stupidly large margin, I'd figure Lucario will overall match or beat Renamon blow for blow, until it starts using Fire moves, then Lucario will switch to it's much more devastating ranged attacks than Renamon's Diamond Storm.  Though ranged is not Lucario's forte and Diamond Storm is Renamon's signature attack, Dragon Pulse is simply a bigger and better attack.

I wouldn't be surprised if they figure that just by any physical fire attack Renamon does would do x4 damage, plus Lucario's comparative frailty, especially after using Close Combat supposing Renamon survives, they say that's enough for Renamon to win though.  That or pull a digivolve anyways, minus any companions.

Actually, you know, something else came to mind.  The typical concept of Death Battle is each combatant at their prime.  Wild Pokémon and Digimon would not typically fit this criteria, and are instead done to as best possible they could be without interference, like the Kanto starters match.  Would that mean max leveled as well?  Because that would impact if Renamon could digivolve or not.  I just sort of assumed it would be the average levels for wild Lucario and Renamon between all games they can be found in.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 20, 2017, 10:28:07 pm

Looks like they finally dropped a full episode
Good job on Kayas' behalf
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Post by: D.R.B on July 22, 2017, 10:13:30 pm
DBX
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 26, 2017, 07:58:46 pm

Meh.

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Post by: Tsunamidusher on July 26, 2017, 09:25:27 pm
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Post by: D.R.B on July 27, 2017, 01:30:33 am
Ignoring the result, I was only disspointed at how short the fight was


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Post by: Long John Killer on July 27, 2017, 02:46:01 am
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 27, 2017, 08:29:50 am
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 27, 2017, 07:11:42 pm
TJ vs Balrog is supposedly torrians big fight which apparently in his words has more action than dante vs bayo

This aint gonna be a filler fight....(i expect some anarchy reigns music with 2 styles of boxing mocapped to fit their respective styles)
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 27, 2017, 11:45:06 pm
Shame it couldn't be between more interesting or likable characters.  Also spoilers dropped, I guess.

Maybe that's why they do it, though.  Pick less impressive fighters so that to make a bigger fight is a tougher challenge for them.  Easy to have Sora fly around throwing particle effects in 3D compared to making a boxing match to the death.

Anyways, so if T.J. decided to not use his implants willingly to make himself stronger, does he still have them in him?  Or did he get them removed?  By Death Battle rules, I can see them pulling a whole scene of him losing, then turning the tide by switching the implants on, regardless of how it would reflect his character's actual personality.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on July 28, 2017, 05:35:44 am
It depends on which continuity they use for T. J.

If it's the one from the first game, then he might have the implants still in him. Remember, he probably had the implants in when he took down Riptor.

If it's the one from the recent game, then he wouldn't have it... but, whatever those implants did gave him a chance to have a heroic second wind.
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Post by: Zemilia on July 29, 2017, 11:51:53 pm
New OMM

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Post by: Beta158 on July 30, 2017, 01:51:19 am
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 30, 2017, 03:16:14 am
Thanks for spoiling it.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 30, 2017, 07:25:20 pm
Gee thanks mate
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Post by: ,mem on July 30, 2017, 07:27:02 pm
I was gonna watch it.......thanks.
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Post by: D.R.B on August 02, 2017, 07:29:20 pm
Balrog AKA Mike Bison

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Post by: Titiln on August 02, 2017, 07:32:27 pm
TJ vs Balrog is supposedly torrians big fight which apparently in his words has more action than dante vs bayo
considering that its two characters that only know punching i cant see that happening
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 02, 2017, 08:46:54 pm
Well he just said it again in the podcast confirming it.
anywhooooo
new mini rumble out
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Post by: Infinite kyo on August 05, 2017, 08:15:39 pm
new DBX is out
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 05, 2017, 08:57:53 pm
That was pretty good, their sprite fights continue to be on point for the most part.

Also LOL at the reason for the fight
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Post by: Person Man on August 05, 2017, 09:06:15 pm
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Post by: BurningSoul on August 05, 2017, 11:32:20 pm
He killed Goutetsu and Necallii,although I'm not sure about Necalli.

Offtopic
in Spoiler
 
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Post by: AlexSin on August 06, 2017, 02:04:23 pm
That's a Yatagarasu character, Jyuzumaru, edited by fede de 10 to "look like" IronFist.
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Post by: D.R.B on August 09, 2017, 10:03:04 pm
sir punch a lot *cought* I mean TJ Combo



also  new Mini Rumble
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Post by: Infinite kyo on August 12, 2017, 03:46:35 pm
New OMM is out

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Post by: supa2520 on August 12, 2017, 04:44:15 pm
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 12, 2017, 05:02:04 pm
That was pretty good

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Post by: Beta158 on August 12, 2017, 05:49:57 pm
Defiantly a good reason for the ending.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 12, 2017, 08:21:20 pm
I asked mali for a hint for next time on discord and he said next ep will be of characters "who both can fly"
so either mewtwo vs frieza or mob vs tatsumaki
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Post by: MAO11 on August 13, 2017, 05:54:37 pm
mob vs tatsumaki is nice but i was hoping for mob vs bill cipher.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 14, 2017, 11:20:35 pm
bill cipher is most likely fighting.....*sigh* sans
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Post by: Terry McJarrow on August 16, 2017, 07:31:47 pm


Earlier than anyone did (or idk...).

Meh.

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Post by: Prime SC on August 16, 2017, 07:48:26 pm
That was fucking beautiful I was hoping for that outcome
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Post by: Titiln on August 16, 2017, 08:14:13 pm
considering that its two characters that only know punching i cant see that happening
i was right

he did a good job with the characters he had but at the same time those characters had a really limited moveset so it wasnt very exciting
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Post by: Prime SC on August 16, 2017, 08:18:08 pm
I love boxing, and boxers that's why I enjoyed it alot
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Post by: D.R.B on August 16, 2017, 10:20:20 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 17, 2017, 02:04:18 am
considering that its two characters that only know punching i cant see that happening
i was right
Well....all opinions, of course, but watching it I found it more intense as they were both equally vulnerable to each other and lashing out at each other more realistically than the flash show Dante and Bayonetta had.  So, I kinda see what they were going for.

They did impressive with what they got for sure, though.  Neither character is deep or complex or anything, or with any sort of wide arsenal, so having it a slightly superpowered boxing match was pretty well done.  I can't say I was super invested in either character, but I feel they could have done better in Balrog's character description compared to T.J.'s.  They gave you both T.J.'s ups and downs in doing good in life, while Balrog was all bout the bad things he's done.  I might not be a Street Figher expert to any extent, but come on, I remember the SFIV ending with him saving the kid.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 17, 2017, 03:16:52 am
I'm a fan of the sweet science, so that's probably one of my favorite fights they've ever done.

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As for the next fight,

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Post by: Infinite kyo on August 19, 2017, 07:41:53 pm
New DBX is out
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Post by: Prime SC on August 19, 2017, 08:20:45 pm
That episode of dbx was terrible
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 20, 2017, 04:02:02 pm
ken didn't do a hadouken or a shoryuken once
it was rushed as fuck
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 24, 2017, 01:42:17 am

Shredder's preview is out.

So, I'm still fairly ignorant of both sides of the next match, but I've since learned that apparently Silver Samurai is not, in fact, coated in silver, and is thus a member of the "We don't get silver" club with Silver Surfer.  That's all adamantium.  Which brings me back to when Wolverine was going to fight Raiden and how does he have any mobility and not just act like this all the time? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwn8l_AEAe4)

But barring that, I suppose my main worry for Shredder then is the question of is adamantium conductive?  Because Super Shredder shoots out lightning, and Silver Samurai is a mutant lightning rod.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 24, 2017, 02:26:30 am
Wolverine has some degree of super strength, brought on by a adaptive healing factor that has to compensate for for 100 pounds of extra weight.

Also, the Silver Samurai's armor being adamantium was just a movie thing. Both of them (the original died years ago and his son took over the mantle) use a lightweight "steel alloy" which is the same short hand they give to explain what Iron Man suits and such are made out of to explain why they're better than iron or steel (which are known quantities with known limits) but different from Vibranium or Adamantium (which, though fictional, have their own set of rules).
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 24, 2017, 02:54:13 am
Oh, I suppose weight is an issue too, but that's not what I meant.

Would ripping out parts of the adamantium skeleton kill Wolverine or slow him down? If I remember, Magneto killed Wolverine one time by ripping the adamantium skeleton out of him. In Raiden's case, he can rip out a spine out of a cyborg and crush them for energy after slicing his victims to ribbons.
The spine ripping was in the Ultimate universe, and probably wouldn't have worked on regular Wolverine (I think the explanation was that Ultimate Wolverine's actual spinal bones were made of metal, but the... uh... tendons? I don't know how spines work, but the stuff linking the bones together? That was still normal, and thus could be broken. I don't think the same is true of regular Wolverine, somehow. Boy this explanation was terrible!)
I think he meant tearing it out in the same manner Hulk tore the flesh between Logan's spine.  Though I did not know that changed between universes.  But...if even the flesh inside and between his bones is adamantium, how is he flexable at all?  He wouldn't be able to straighten out or lean over at all!

...Is that the real reason he's always pissed off?
Which oh my god, has that been 2 years already?

And oh.  Well, ok then.  While I'd be left to presume like everything else they've done, this is going to be an imperfect composite of all versions of the characters, if it's a one-time thing that does not line up to the majority of versions then perhaps they'll just skip over that bit.  In which case I'm a little more reassured in Shredder's outcome.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 25, 2017, 04:07:24 pm
Oh since no one posted, A mini rumble dropped a few days ago
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Post by: ZeroCannon on August 27, 2017, 04:15:23 am
Sakura vs Yuri,Shingo vs Mr.Satan.Don't miss out,It be one hell of a fight!
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 30, 2017, 05:59:27 pm
OMM dropped almost an hour ago
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 30, 2017, 06:09:16 pm
Yeah, that was okay. Would like to see more Togashi on Togashi violence in the future, Kurapika vs. Kurama absolutely needs to happen.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 30, 2017, 09:49:32 pm
the tatsumaki vs mob fight was delayed so we got this instead
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 30, 2017, 10:53:57 pm
Good thing that's a Melee and not a DB, because Tatsumaki is the type of character Mob was made to make fun of and it wouldn't even be a contest
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Post by: Terry McJarrow on August 30, 2017, 11:07:45 pm


Silver Samurai's preview, i suppose.
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Post by: Prime SC on August 30, 2017, 11:22:09 pm
I think silver samurai just because of the faster than light particle sword or whatever
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Post by: MAO11 on August 31, 2017, 05:56:29 am
what's shredder's super power? getting beat by 4 teenage sewer mutants?
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Post by: Lichtbringer on August 31, 2017, 09:12:47 pm
what's shredder's super power? getting beat by 4 teenage sewer mutants?

Even the 90's Cartoon Shredder was able to beat all 4 Turtles at once. ;)
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Deathbattle is often mixing stuff of different versions of characters together, to get the maximum potential of a character, the Shredder that Silver Samurai will have to face will probably not be a bumbling fool but instead a cunning ruthless Ninja Master.

The biggest Problem that Shredder will have is that he can't Block attacks if the Silver Samurai is using his Mutant Powers and will have to evade them.

Btw. Is Silver Samurai one of this Mutants that can use there powers limitles or will he get tired from using them after some time?
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Post by: Seadragon77 on August 31, 2017, 11:05:57 pm
Btw. Is Silver Samurai one of this Mutants that can use there powers limitles or will he get tired from using them after some time?

Basically, the power works against anything except for adamantium.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 01, 2017, 12:21:39 am
So alongside DBX, OMM and mini rumbles come

"fights are requested by patrons(just 1$ to participate)"
I see myself posting a lot more fights here
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Post by: Titiln on September 01, 2017, 12:24:40 am
that was just annoying to watch

i hate it when they use low resolution sprites and zoom them in as close as possible. it looks like shit
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Post by: Prime SC on September 01, 2017, 01:54:48 am
I agree wholeheartedly with titlin I hate that shit
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Post by: D.R.B on September 02, 2017, 07:02:03 pm
new DBX
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Post by: Lichtbringer on September 02, 2017, 09:32:03 pm
Basically, the power works against anything except for adamantium.

No what I mean is if he can use his powers whenever and as often as he wants to, or will the use of his power drain his stamia at some point or something like that?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2017, 12:50:25 am
Samus versus Master Chief is, like, one of my top three favorite versus debates ever.  Adoring both sides (Or, well, before both fell flat on their faces, now hoping for a recovery on them both.  Can hope to god Metroid Prime 4 and Samus Returns are good), I've been with side Samus for the most part, so happy with this DBX, good animation.

They were low-balling the hell out of both of them, heck you don't even have Cortana present, but it works for what it is.  That said, if there's ever a full-blown attempt at it (Besides Haloid), they really need to go 3D with it.  There's such a lack of quality Master Chief sprites and you largely miss using things like the Dark or Light Suit for Samus in 2D.

...Not that the Dark Suit has much purpose when put against the Halo universe, but the Light Suit can be repurposed for some interesting counters.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on September 06, 2017, 07:56:31 pm
it's out

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Post by: Darkflare on September 06, 2017, 08:31:55 pm
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Post by: Terry McJarrow on September 06, 2017, 08:54:04 pm
Looks like i ended up liking that latest ep. . :P
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Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2017, 11:37:00 pm
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Post by: Prime SC on September 07, 2017, 12:08:27 am
Totally surprised by that outcome but great fight nonetheless
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 07, 2017, 03:37:26 am
Oh.  With names like those, I was wondering why the next fight was between two One Piece characters.  Never mind, then.

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Post by: D.R.B on September 13, 2017, 10:41:33 pm
Smoky Bear........

what?


another RR
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Post by: D.R.B on September 15, 2017, 11:31:20 pm
new DBX
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Post by: rgveda99 on September 16, 2017, 03:29:19 am
LOL.

They just recolored B. Mary.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 16, 2017, 10:15:29 pm
Yall must really be sour if you find problems in this omm


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Post by: RoySquadRocks on September 16, 2017, 10:21:03 pm
Awesome fight as always!
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Post by: D.R.B on September 16, 2017, 11:15:23 pm
LOL.

They just recolored B. Mary.

dunno if it's them who started it, I mean CFC also used the recolored blue mary first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGrcYmoNKIs
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on September 20, 2017, 11:24:08 pm
McGruff promo:



Place your bets, folks.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 27, 2017, 07:37:21 pm
It's out

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on September 27, 2017, 11:38:26 pm
Even if it was a joke battle, this was actually one of the best episodes they've done in a long time.  I think that might actually be the highest quality animation they've ever had on Death Battle.  And they used it on Smokey Bear vs McGruff the Crime Dog.  I love it.

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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 27, 2017, 11:49:45 pm
Oh cool, they got Chris Sabat to voice Smokey.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 28, 2017, 03:51:10 am
Wasn't actually much of a fight at all, but still, that was entertaining.  I was wondering how they were going to go about this, 2D or 3D, but a fully animated cartoon was even better.

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Post by: Titiln on September 28, 2017, 04:44:22 am
that smokey bear animation was better than almost every video posted in this thread
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 28, 2017, 06:49:13 am
Just noticed it was animated by Blind Ferret Entertainment, aka the guys who did that animated web comic Ctrl+Alt+Del. Glad to see their animation got better.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on September 28, 2017, 08:24:08 pm
Wasn't actually much of a fight at all, but still, that was entertaining.  I was wondering how they were going to go about this, 2D or 3D, but a fully animated cartoon was even better.

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on September 28, 2017, 11:27:37 pm
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 28, 2017, 11:52:07 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 29, 2017, 01:36:40 am
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Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on September 29, 2017, 10:52:40 pm
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Post by: Shadic12 on September 30, 2017, 09:22:19 pm
New OMM:
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Post by: D.R.B on September 30, 2017, 10:26:37 pm
new DBX
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 07, 2017, 01:51:52 am

Whoops, forgot to post this two days ago.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on October 07, 2017, 11:26:02 pm
new MR
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on October 08, 2017, 01:30:52 am


A bit underwhelmed by this one minute melee (go to 2:21 to skip the ads) but it's nice that they tried something different, with no sprites.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on October 11, 2017, 11:52:43 pm
Wonder Bread:

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Post by: Long John Killer on October 12, 2017, 03:51:34 am
So the bracelets also function as a pair of magic mirrors/Bag of Holdings.  That's...actually quite amusing.

Well, gee, their focus here seems to be how densely packed Mjolnir is compared to how sharp Wonder Woman's sword is.  I'd wager a guess that Superman's skin is tougher than Mjolnir when in the sun?  Regardless, still seems in Diana's favor even if the hammer's not breakable.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on October 14, 2017, 07:14:10 pm
New DBX
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on October 14, 2017, 11:00:49 pm
Why out of all possible pictures of Zod did they go with a close-up of a toy?  Weird.


Speaking of Dragon Ball sprite fights though, this guy's back with another long one.

Surprised I didn't think of that with Baby Vegeta and Goku Black before.  Neat idea.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Infinite kyo on October 18, 2017, 07:36:40 pm
The Death battle is here
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Post by: Dumanios on October 18, 2017, 08:22:06 pm
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Post by: Person Man on October 18, 2017, 10:08:18 pm
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Post by: D.R.B on October 18, 2017, 11:04:03 pm
and it seems there is a Youtube comment that feels the same way I always did when he/she said

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Post by: TheHateThatHateMade on October 18, 2017, 11:11:36 pm
and it seems there is a Youtube comment that feels the same way I always did when he/she said

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This has already happened on Death Battle.
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Post by: R565 on October 18, 2017, 11:24:29 pm
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Post by: Person Man on October 18, 2017, 11:26:41 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 18, 2017, 11:46:10 pm
Spoiler: Above (click to see content)

Spoiler: This fight (click to see content)

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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on October 25, 2017, 03:02:29 pm
IT(Pennywise) vs. The Joker | Final Trailer (By the same people who made the Hulk Vs Kratos video I think)
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Post by: D.R.B on October 25, 2017, 10:52:03 pm
double post to post this

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Post by: D.R.B on October 25, 2017, 11:02:47 pm
new Mini Rumble
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on October 27, 2017, 08:43:55 am
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Naruto's spoken to Kushina( dead), Minato (dead), all the tailed beast holders (dead)
Even fought and befriended kurama (spirit with no physical form at the time, as it took place inside naruto)
Obtained jesus mode from So6p while dying.

also while not naruto, sasuke watched itachi ascend n shit

this solely comes down to whether SA wants to half ass naruto's research tbh. that preview didn't look like a good sign
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 27, 2017, 11:45:55 pm
Hm.  Well, that helps in Naruto's favor, but it sounds like it's not exactly done BY Naruto, rather the ghosts chose to reveal themselves to him?  And Kurama is the Nine-Tailed Fox's true name if I recall correctly?  So the thing already has a bond with him, within him literally, so I'm not sure that quite counts.  But outside of statistics, it might be a reason why Ichigo might want to kill Naruto, now that I think of it.  Explain "Jesus mode", though?  Which transformation is this?

Dunno much about anything on Itachi come Shippuden, was around the point I dropped off from the series and all I know is he killed his people because he was in a bit of a goth phase and he's got the most beautiful eyes, apparently.  But ok, I guess being a mass murderer is good reason to go on to Heaven.

Despite enjoying them, I'm jaded enough from these Death Battles and their trend of misinformation to say they'll likely skip or brush off some important detail for one of the two, but I'd guess they wouldn't hold a fight where only one guy can detect the other, so they likely imputed research that far.
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Post by: Infinite kyo on October 28, 2017, 07:11:15 pm
New DBX is out
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Post by: Lichtbringer on October 31, 2017, 09:57:46 am
Oh that DBX was nice.  ;D
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 01, 2017, 04:00:29 am
honstly i thought you guys would have posted this already
but we had a halloween OMM


@Long John Killer "Jesus mode" is his So6P form he got from basically putting all his forms together+ given extra powers from his reanimated father(who was revealed to carry half of the 9 tails power, basically doubling naruto's strength), Literally every other tailed beast who allowed him to control them(now hes even more stronger) as well as the extra power granted from the Sage of 6 paths(creator of jutsus)

And he basically can do pretty much anything now that he bared all of those powers, from flight, regenerating, Bijuu bombs, Healing others, as well as increased stats and many others.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2017, 04:19:30 am
Part of me wants to question what was the point of all the beasts being evil incarnate if later on they all just wanted to buddy up to Naruto when he gets a new form, or vice-versa considering all the people the beasts killed and his likely vendetta against them, but that seems like unpacking a 20-year old answer, so sure, whatever.  Unless you mean, like, he steals their powers for himself or something.

So the long and short is his final form lets him use all the general ninja abilities, instead of being stuck in his Fighter class.  Well, flight just evens the aerial maneuverability disadvantage, bombs are meh, but healing sounds useful, I don't recall Ichigo having specific healing abilities, just hand waved ones when he gets a new form for the first time, he gets patched up.  Orihime did all the not-healing with that fairy time-rewind hairpiece thing. (Have I mentioned how out of context how stupid this all sounds trying to explain?)

I've seen people mention on Ichigo's side, that black-haired form he gained has such a high level of pressure around him it literally atomizes anything that gets near him, which would be an amazing boon in his favor, if there's any validity to that claim?  All I recall is Ichigo went through 5 damn different forms against Aizen, eventually making him into a total fool despite the guy practically becoming an irreproachable god prior.  Not so much nothing being able to touch Ichigo, though.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on November 01, 2017, 09:56:57 pm
Ichigo in DB


also new MINI Rumble


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and Pennywise Vs Joker is out
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 06, 2017, 11:04:19 pm
Someone was dumb enough to react to the DB early

barely saying anything
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on November 07, 2017, 12:54:22 am
And it's down. Managed to see it, nothing too impressive.

Too bad he cut it off before they mentioned the next match

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Post by: Negi Springfield on November 08, 2017, 07:33:28 pm
Out

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Post by: Dumanios on November 08, 2017, 07:51:53 pm
NEXT BATTLE

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 08, 2017, 07:53:45 pm
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Post by: Person Man on November 09, 2017, 12:23:10 am
Gods, I forgot how fucking confusing Bleach got as it dragged on.

I love the fact that they knew they were going to be facing a tidal wave of butthurt anime fans one way or the other so they had to spend 10 minutes after the fight explaining their work in as much detail as possible.

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Are Dragon Ball fans really that unbelievably petty that they get upset at even the slightest, unintentional insinuation that something might be stronger or faster than something from Dragon Ball?  Jegus.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 09, 2017, 12:50:28 am
No, it's just amusing how incredibly wrong they were from the start, so they have to stick by their guns.  So implying Ichigo or Naruto were even remotely in the area is like, well, implying Green Lantern is around as fast as The Flash.  In fact, you know what, bad example, same universe, one's expected to be faster.  It's like saying Quicksilver is faster than Flash because they're both fast people.  The simple rules of building characters in their universes work different.

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Post by: D.R.B on November 11, 2017, 09:15:13 pm
new DBX
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 11, 2017, 11:53:17 pm
a omm also dropped today....
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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 13, 2017, 06:21:39 pm
So on the screwattack charity stream they did sneak peek at torrians dbz,which will be KI Kim Wu vs RWBY Sun Wu Kong
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Post by: Person Man on November 16, 2017, 04:35:58 am
Bed, Bat, and Beyond:



Spider-Man 20X6

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on November 24, 2017, 10:05:54 pm
new Mini Rumble
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Shadic12 on November 25, 2017, 06:42:21 pm
New OMM:
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Post by: D.R.B on November 25, 2017, 09:34:32 pm
new DBX
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 27, 2017, 07:49:08 pm
Watched the DB via a friend hosting it on rabb.it
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Anyway as for next time
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on November 28, 2017, 07:31:52 pm
New animator Thewindyfan joins HG
here's his audition
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Post by: Negi Springfield on November 29, 2017, 07:59:39 pm
It's out

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 30, 2017, 04:08:19 am
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Post by: Person Man on November 30, 2017, 04:19:01 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 30, 2017, 04:56:48 am
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Post by: Darkflare on November 30, 2017, 05:20:40 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 06, 2017, 10:55:13 pm
Late response but whoops, they totally did.  My bad, thanks for pointing that out.


Sephiroth's teaser is out.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 08, 2017, 10:13:20 pm
not bad
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 09, 2017, 09:47:35 pm

Pretty good fight, cop out ending
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Post by: Prime SC on December 09, 2017, 10:00:16 pm
Falcon was supposed to leap out and falcon punch viewtiful Joe at the last minute at least
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Post by: Person Man on December 13, 2017, 07:16:38 pm
That OP guy from Marvel :



Still giving this to Sephiroth.  Vergil might be tough, but he's not "survive the destruction of the entire solar system" tough.
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Post by: D.R.B on December 17, 2017, 02:52:30 pm
OMM
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Post by: senorfro on December 18, 2017, 05:39:59 pm
Don't see loganir's name for the Thor sprites.  Shame.
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Post by: Titiln on December 19, 2017, 06:26:17 am
it's there at the end
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Post by: senorfro on December 19, 2017, 05:30:03 pm
My error.  It wasn't listed in the description, and I somehow missed it in the end credits.
Title: Best DeathBattle(ScrewAttack)battles you can think of.
Post by: ZeroCannon on December 19, 2017, 10:21:04 pm
The title is self explanatory.

I would think these are best one you can see...

Potemkin vs Iron Tager(Guilty Gear vs BlazBlue)
Justice vs Yuki Terumi(Guilty Gear vs BlazBlue)
Geese Howard vs M.Bison(King Of Fighters vs Street Fighter)
Haohmaru vs Kadede(Samurai Shodown vs The Last Blade)
Genjro vs Moriya(Samurai Shodown vs The Last Blade)
Rugal vs Seth(King Of Fighters vs Street Fighter)
Jin Kazama vs Kasumi(Tekken vs Dead or Alive)

Well,watcah think?
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 19, 2017, 11:34:56 pm
I think you're limiting yourself too strictly to fighting games that they can cover with available sprites.  I think it's more fun to think outside the box, something they'd have to put a little more effort into presenting.  Like, say for example, Rei of Evangelion versus Eureka of Eureka Seven.  Or some unusual east versus west matches, like Ghost Rider the exterminator of demons versus Sesshomaru the perfect demon.

That all said, Geese and M. Bison would be fun.
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Post by: Person Man on December 19, 2017, 11:46:02 pm
Still holding out for that Saitama vs Squirrel Girl match.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 19, 2017, 11:58:02 pm
I think that just boils down to if you consider Saitama's always winning a canonical feat in-universe, not just a storytelling focus.  Because he's not the omnipotent being fans make him to be, he just always does better than the opposition in his series.  If you take those achievements at face value, it's not incredibly impressive, plenty of people can do better.

But that probably wouldn't be much fun, then.  Plus, what we see Squirrel Girl do also isn't all that amazing, but what we don't see is ridiculous.  I could imagine, like, Saitama would one punch her, for all sakes and purposes it appears she blows up and dies, then the camera peers offscreen of Saitama and we hear her effortlessly destroying him, coming back from nowhere.
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Post by: Person Man on December 20, 2017, 02:58:14 am
It's the Immovable Object vs the Unstoppable Force dilemma.  Saitama can defeat anything.  Squirrel Girl can never be defeated.  I'd be genuinely interested to see how they handle it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on December 20, 2017, 08:04:53 pm

It's up.
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Post by: Prime SC on December 20, 2017, 08:28:45 pm
good fight but those stats at the end are straight bullshit, the best death battle is still wolverine vs raiden waiting for something to top that
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 20, 2017, 08:33:49 pm
Yo Wolverine/Raiden was good but Snake vs. Sam Fisher was the most legit fight they ever did
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 20, 2017, 08:34:39 pm
Wolverine and Raiden, really?  I thought it sat next to Link and Cloud as their most half-hearted 3D attempt.  Sam Fisher and Solid Snake for sure is their best 3D match, by a mile.

It's not just me that feels like they had audio issues with this episode, yeah?  Vergil's dialogue and the post-credits speech sound weird.

Would have liked a teaser for the next battle, considering we got two months now to wait for next season, but ah well.  Now we're in the dead zone for a while.  Time to wishlist and speculate.

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Post by: Titiln on December 20, 2017, 08:53:15 pm
wow that was very boring

adding some lights to the setting would've helped it look less drab
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 20, 2017, 09:11:16 pm
But they're both incredibly drab, silver-haired anime emo characters?  Only thing missing was the piano and choir duet.

Now, something I would have actually liked even more was some sort of story.  Even something inconsequential, like Spider-Man 2099 intruding into Batman Beyond's territory as an unknown.  You had a very prime opportunity for Vergil to be looking to kill a high-priority demon, and instead runs into an even worse angel.
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Post by: Titiln on December 20, 2017, 09:13:31 pm
the characters being dark and emo is no excuse for having such a dull setting with no light sources. that only contributes to making the action harder to look at and make the whole thing look like a ps2 cutscene
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on December 23, 2017, 10:54:09 pm
DBX
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: ZeroCannon on December 27, 2017, 04:45:26 am
A *Black-Battle*huh?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on December 27, 2017, 07:57:25 am
That, and I guess it's also sorta-Goku beating someone who beats Superman.  Which they also did Vegeta beating General Zod before too.  Now if only we could reflect some of this on the actual matches, but eh, bit late for that by this point.  They don't really change their stance on too many things.

...Though this latest match with Sephiroth all but completely debunks Link vs Cloud and Tifa vs Yang.  Among a list of other things for the both of them prior.

I wonder why they went for a recolor of Z2's Goku though.  There are more fitting ones actually of Black (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtpIH5ZCgY8), though I guess the proportions of Z2's style worked better alongside the ones used for Black Adam.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on January 02, 2018, 03:50:51 pm
OMM
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 06, 2018, 09:13:39 pm
New DBX

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Titiln on January 06, 2018, 09:16:58 pm
why did they change the pitch for taskmaster's voice

gambit's very old bad quality sound clips clash a lot too

the fight was ok
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 06, 2018, 09:23:33 pm
Yeah I have to assume there's better quality sound rips out there for Gambit at this point but maybe taking the time to look is just too much effort for the machine
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on January 09, 2018, 10:59:23 pm
new mini rumble
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on January 14, 2018, 07:49:11 pm
https://youtu.be/NqeJBPJx2Kk?t=1117

Next Death Battle announced during the latest DB Cast video.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on January 20, 2018, 07:07:58 pm
Double Impact





Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on January 21, 2018, 10:40:25 pm
It's a little disappointing when the matches that end up making little sense have more effort put into them.  I mean, I'm certainly in a bias; I quite enjoy the Tomb Raider series and have little attachment to Resident Evil ever since its inception.  But trying to put that aside, like, the two characters aren't remotely on the same level.  It takes Jill having that robot chest gem thing to start to match up to some of the more superhero-esque level things Lara does in the comics or even just the games what with straight-up killing gods and mystical enemies that make Nemesis a common baddie level threat.  And I'm just thinking of the Top Cow comics, where she could just, like, shoot off the fingers off Jill's hands without even looking or something, I don't even know what the newer ones do beyond Lara's Death Battle apparently having her explode helicopters with a mean right hook.

Yeah, yeah, DBX, none of it matters, it still bugs me for some reason.


Anyways, more on the next Death Battle.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Jmorphman on January 23, 2018, 02:25:40 am
Listen, I try very hard not to get bothered about these kinds of "who would win" matchups when said matchup doesn't go the way I think it does. It's just not worth the time and mental energy to debate it, or think about it, or even get mad about it.

But I swear to god, if Black Panther doesn't beat Batman, I'm gonna fucking riot! >:[
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on January 23, 2018, 02:48:14 am
I don't think there's any possible way they can weasel out an explanation for Batman winning whilst unprepared.  Now, if they're doing the best either of them ever were, regardless of the circumstances that would prevent such an occasion from occurring, then maybe that Hellbat suit would kill Black Panther, even if it doesn't outright damage whichever suit upgrade BP gets in his comics that's beyond indestructible but hurt him inside it.

But really, what is Bruce gonna do by himself?  Snap his neck?  Won't turn that far with the suit.  Internal bleeding?  Can't hit that hard.  Shove a batarang into the eye socket?  This match is too much like Ace and Natsu, where you don't even need to go further than a surface level knowledge of the two to see who wins the majority of the times.

Which would be the perfect opportunity for an upset and bonus views, but I don't think they're going against the flow what with BP's movie coming out soon as well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on January 24, 2018, 11:14:00 pm
Pink Panther promo:



Sad Ben Affleck:

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 03, 2018, 03:58:10 pm


Chopper Dave we have uh-oh
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: DatKofGuy on February 03, 2018, 04:11:17 pm
urgh... more of that Saitama over rated crap
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: MAO11 on February 03, 2018, 04:51:37 pm
i really don't see any similarities between batman and black panther. except for the cape and pointy ears but beyond that there's nothing to compare.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Prime SC on February 03, 2018, 05:03:12 pm
goku def shouldve stomped him in ultra instinct
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: AlexSin on February 03, 2018, 05:52:41 pm
I love how the undershirt changes colours when transforming from normal to SSJB. It's like just changing the hair palette isn't even an option.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on February 03, 2018, 10:11:35 pm
really wish that some of you kept the  result in spoilers, just remember that this series  is  not a DB , so they don't do research, clearly they wanted to make it clear again

on topic,  a new DBX, not as good as the other video thought
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 03, 2018, 11:02:09 pm
They're free to do whatever they want, including not make a whole lot of sense, but I'm confused; I thought that whole OMM mini-timeline thing they started was specifically because they did a video with Goku and Sonic that escaladed to Saitama winning beforehand.  They took the effort to explain previous episodes in new ones before, why not just throw together some explanation here why Goku's back?

...And then gone again, because do people still find this Saitama gag funny?  I dunno, he just falls under the Deadpool classification of grossly over exaggerated and kinda self-indulging at undermining other properties to me.  Or at least the fans put him upon a pedestal to do so, anyways.  I also suspect the guy behind OMM doesn't actually follow Dragon Ball, rather just takes note of what's popular and go off that.  Because he keeps going back to making Z2's Goku try to resemble the Whis gi from the Ressurection F movie/arc and U6 tourney, where the Blue form and Blue Kaioken were in the news, even though there's literally no need to do so.  Same for Ultra Instinct and changing it to blue to match the undershirt he's currently left with in Super.

Or maybe I'm just pessimistic.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 03, 2018, 11:09:31 pm
People find the gag extremely funny as they understand it's a gag, the problem is powerlevel enthusiasts and the otaku community has a metric ton.

Imagine if someone was adamant that Popeye and Bugs Bunny could be defeated by Goku!
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 03, 2018, 11:22:34 pm
But...knowing it's supposed to be funny does not make it funny.  I'm pretty sure we all know it's "supposed" to be funny.  It's just the same punchline on repeat ad nauseam.  Saitama fighting someone?  Saitama wins.  Why?  Just cuz.  Shock and awe.  Roll credits.

Popeye and Bugs Bunny at least are supposed to always be painted as the underdog who still manage to win in unexpected and comical fashion.  If Saitama was an underdog, he hasn't been since he first made his mark beating one of those big monsters from his series.  He just sucks as the technical stuff to qualify as a hero, as it's some sort of pass like he's out of The Incredibles or something.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 03, 2018, 11:33:46 pm
Do you know what the punch line is to The Aristocrats? The Aristocrats. Knowing the end of a joke doesn't make the joke unfunny, sometimes the joke is in the telling. The appeal of OPM is in the telling of the fight, not the resolution.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 03, 2018, 11:45:09 pm
Sure.  But when that resolution is always going to be the same thing, the variety of paths to get to there are going to be really shortened.  You can pretty much always guess that with him present, he's going to look bored, out of place, not do a whole lot but not get damaged, then suddenly art shift into "serious" mode and end it quickly, regardless of the circumstances.

It's just not fun.  Whatever appeal to this gag there was when the character was first introduced has long since died out.  At least for me, but I never took to the character or series to begin with, so I guess I'm not just the market for this anyways.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on February 04, 2018, 12:27:23 am
They're free to do whatever they want, including not make a whole lot of sense, but I'm confused; I thought that whole OMM mini-timeline thing they started was specifically because they did a video with Goku and Sonic that escaladed to Saitama winning beforehand.  They took the effort to explain previous episodes in new ones before, why not just throw together some explanation here why Goku's back?
yaa , even I was wondering about it, guess they decided to revive him offscreen and were too lazy to do a video regarding that

People find the gag extremely funny as they understand it's a gag, the problem is powerlevel enthusiasts and the otaku community has a metric ton.

honestly, I feel that this whole gag thing about Saitama is more like an excuse made by the author so he can make his own character as powerful as he pleases  without anyone batting an eye, I never found the joke about him being OP funny before and still don't, granted I enjoyed OPM for what it is but not cuz of this repeated joke.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Terry McJarrow on February 07, 2018, 07:44:48 pm
Not sure who i'd root for, but here goes.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Prime SC on February 07, 2018, 08:38:40 pm
comment, but has the result
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Lichtbringer on February 07, 2018, 10:05:03 pm
The editing error with the Batmobile was just Bad.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 07, 2018, 11:44:16 pm
Well...no surprises were to be had, beyond I would have figured this would be 3D to kick off the new season, while conversely it was rather long for a 2D fight, which was nice.

Spoiler: This match (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next match (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on February 08, 2018, 12:26:11 am
Spoiler: This fight (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next fight (click to see content)

Also:  Does anyone actually care about putting the next fight in spoiler tags?  Everyone always does it, but it doesn't seem like anyone really gives a shit in the discussion.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 08, 2018, 12:46:02 am
I've just been doing it out of courtesy for at least 24 hours once the new episode is posted, just not to ruin it for those coming in late. (Like I tend to do, don't get to view the episode until some hours later typically)  But I have no complaints about dropping it if it's a bother.

Spoiler: Next match (click to see content)
The Powerpuff Girls vs the Crystal Gems would be a fight I'd be pretty interested in seeing.

Oh, I've thought about the PPG and the Crystal Gems a few times before.  On paper, it seems astronomically in the PPG's favor.  Flight at least fast enough to go from the asteroid belt to Earth in seconds alone typically rules it in their favor.  But Steven Universe, as much as I love it, has trouble with consistency.  We've still no idea how Lapis flew from Earth to Homeworld in another galaxy in a matter of a week without any technological help.  Implying she's much faster than light if she did it on her own.  Yet then we also know, as they are all composed of light, that their bodies can not process moving faster than light, as made quite apparent visiting The Zoo.  And on top of that, in a Q&A I recall one of the people working on the show, I don't think Sugar though, made a note how in a past battle Garnet went through the Sun without being damaged, in response to how she's unharmed by magma.  But that's not something from, like, a guidebook or something more official, it was an impromptu online Q&A.  And they seem superhuman fast, strong and durable, but not THAT much in the show.

If we're considering FusionFall into the mix, then the Crystal Gems win on account of their infinite stamina, Garnet's durability and via FusionFall the PPG can be drowned as was the case with Buttercup, presuming we're including Peridot and Lapis as Crystal Gems.  Plus the PPG are inconsistent as well given the episodic nature of their show.  One episode they can take being hit by a kaiju, then next they lose a fist-fight to a couple of jail convicts.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: rgveda99 on February 08, 2018, 11:11:17 am
Spoiler: Next match (click to see content)

I'm thinking none of them are into Sailormoon. Otherwise they would have made an OMM match between King (KOF) and Uranus.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Malikai on February 08, 2018, 11:32:19 am
My 2 cents on the saitama and goku fight.
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Next Battle
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Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 08, 2018, 01:37:13 pm
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I'm thinking none of them are into Sailormoon. Otherwise they would have made an OMM match between King (KOF) and Uranus.
Uh...I'm not big on King of Fighters lore either, but you do realize the astronomically ridiculous stuff they do in Sailor Moon?  Like literally the outer senshi jump from their planet to the moon in moments without teleportation.  Or, like, the Sailor Starlights fighting Galacxia with hits that have them bouncing across the entire universe, or at the very least hits strong enough to land them outside the galaxy.

If she wasn't used already and the unlikeliness of her return, I would have put Uranus against Android 18.  Not a perfect comparison, but at least the two series have some rivaling history and it's not completely and entirely hopeless for one side.  I mean, I get where you're coming from, King hiding her identity, Uranus being, well, Uranus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvHRfQY6anU).  It could pass for a OMM or DBX but with actual stats it's just not fair.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on February 10, 2018, 11:04:33 am
new mini rumble
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on February 14, 2018, 11:31:43 pm
It's not a phase, MOM:

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 17, 2018, 07:12:18 pm


Feet vs. Fists
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on February 18, 2018, 12:28:24 am
I'm not sure what's bugging me more, the power level mis-match here or that white border around Tifa in the thumbnail.  Surely the Dissidia artwork was all cut out and made into clean renders, like, ages ago?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Darkflare on February 18, 2018, 03:58:40 am
The white border because DBX doesn't care about power level mismatches.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Knuckles8864 on February 18, 2018, 09:08:38 am
Speaking of Raven vs Twilight, I haven't seen much of the MLP, but I've seen things where Twilight has multiple forms. I understand why they would want to do this fight, other than the fact both are voiced by the same actress, both have taken down demons before. I do, however, think Raven has more of an advantage assuming she's taken down more foes by herself (for example, Trigon's defeat), when Twilight needs her friends (and some mystical items?) to be with her in order to take down a foe such as Tirek.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on February 21, 2018, 09:58:59 pm
oh brada -_-

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on February 28, 2018, 07:58:32 pm
It's out

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 01, 2018, 12:08:36 am
The very dialogue of breaking down the characters to show just how "done" they are with MLP, trying to sell it as something bigger than it is, is just so annoying.  I may not have any interest in the series, but even disregarding that, please, stop with the ponies now.  It's just not amusing to even listen to for jokes.

Spoiler: Anyways, moving on to the actual fight (click to see content)

So, if we're no longer spoiling the next match, I'll just put it out there that it's Kenshiro versus Jotaro.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 01, 2018, 12:14:26 am
Yeah sure, cool whatever, Tara Strong won.

Kenshiro vs Jotaro though, has got me genuinely excited for the first time in quite a while with this series. I'm a big fan of both so i'll be sure to break down some of their BS logic if/when it comes to it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 01, 2018, 12:33:30 am
So educate me; I enjoyed Fist of the North Star, but not to the religious extent people hold it up on high as the granddaddy of action in anime.  It's been a long time since watching too.  And Jojo was...a confused mess of flanderization whenever I do try to sit through a full episode, so I just can't with that series.  I don't intend to insult it, it's just I've tried a number of times and can not get into it.  But I have enough general internet osmosis to get the main picture.

So, why is this so hotly debated?  Besides it being a Deathstroke/Deadpool situation?  Why is it not a straight-forward simple answer of Jotaro wins?  Kenshiro's main thing is fighting other fellow humans and going for their pressure points.  Jotaro has a stand, which in Jojo has highly specified rules that no one can detect or interact with a stand without owning one themselves; it is not a regular case of invisibility or a ghost or what have you.  Kenshiro does not have any form of familiarity with something he can not fight, and I would suppose that Jotaro is not a couch potato and can dodge for whatever time is needed for his stand to just kill Kenshiro while he remains unaware.

Am I horribly out of touch with any sense of accuracy here?  What's the debate?  Kenshiro being faster than Jotaro so he can land the first blow and explode him?
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on March 01, 2018, 04:44:51 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next match is ora ora vs atatatata.  Rooting for Kenshiro to take this one simply because Jotaro is a worthless sack of shit and I'm willing to be super petty about it.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 01, 2018, 06:05:06 am
So educate me; I enjoyed Fist of the North Star, but not to the religious extent people hold it up on high as the granddaddy of action in anime.  It's been a long time since watching too.  And Jojo was...a confused mess of flanderization whenever I do try to sit through a full episode, so I just can't with that series.  I don't intend to insult it, it's just I've tried a number of times and can not get into it.  But I have enough general internet osmosis to get the main picture.

So, why is this so hotly debated?  Besides it being a Deathstroke/Deadpool situation?  Why is it not a straight-forward simple answer of Jotaro wins?  Kenshiro's main thing is fighting other fellow humans and going for their pressure points.  Jotaro has a stand, which in Jojo has highly specified rules that no one can detect or interact with a stand without owning one themselves; it is not a regular case of invisibility or a ghost or what have you.  Kenshiro does not have any form of familiarity with something he can not fight, and I would suppose that Jotaro is not a couch potato and can dodge for whatever time is needed for his stand to just kill Kenshiro while he remains unaware.

Am I horribly out of touch with any sense of accuracy here?  What's the debate?  Kenshiro being faster than Jotaro so he can land the first blow and explode him?

Well, I think comes from the fact that Jotaro is considered to be an expy of Kenshiro himself. In fact the creator of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has gone on to say that he was a fan of Fist of the North Star.

As for the fight itself, it might not be as straight forward as you made it sound like. Yes, Star Platinum packs quite the punch... but it doesn't use any energy attacks. Kenshiro can do that, but doesn't like to use them because it's a waste of energy to do so.

It's probably to come down to this: Can Kenshiro's punches break diamond? Star Platinum's fists are said to be as hard as diamonds.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 01, 2018, 06:17:29 am
That is what I mean by the Deathstroke and Deadpool comparison.  I'm aware Jojo as a whole was conceptualized as a parody of Fist of the North Star, and evolved into its own thing.  This extends to its protagonist as well.

I'm not worried about how his stand (Star Platinum, I presume) goes about it, just that Kenshiro lacks the means to protect himself from this foreign entity, correct?  To rewind a couple of Death Battle episodes, consider it a similar case to base Naruto having to deal with Ichigo.  He couldn't, he needed to change.

But reminding me that Kenshiro has projectiles does help in his favor, those I'd wager could just off Jotaro easily if they make contact, and the stand is life-locked to Jotaro as far as I know.  I wouldn't worry about if Kenshiro can damage Star Platinum, I'd imagine he can't interact with him if he wanted to.  More, how tough is Kenshiro to being hit by diamond-hard hits?  He was a tough bastard to put down, but I also recall him being, well, human.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Person Man on March 01, 2018, 12:43:17 pm
The thing to remember about stands is that they aren't, strictly speaking, actually there.  They're visual manifestations of psychic powers.  They don't have an actual physical presence and can't be seen or touched by non-stand users.  So if Kenshiro's spiritual strength can be determined to be equal to or greater than Jotaro's, he shouldn't have any problem getting past Star Platinum.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 01, 2018, 01:41:23 pm
Yeah, that's also a good point.  I'm not sure how they'll go about finding specific-enough examples to show Kenshiro being tougher than diamonds, but it does kinda work in a similar case to your typical ki manipulation deal.  The higher power level can't be affected by the lower one at all once they pass them far enough.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 01, 2018, 02:45:18 pm
Another thing to realize that I figured out after I posted the first time: Star Platinum can stop time. There's nothing in Fist of the North Star that comes close to that kind of talent.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: D.R.B on March 03, 2018, 10:23:05 pm
BDX
Wait..What... o.O ?


Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 03, 2018, 11:03:00 pm
Evidently, someone really doesn't like Pikachu.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 06, 2018, 06:33:41 pm
Sorry for the late reply Long John, been busy.

Anyway, let's get down to some of the basics. I'll give Jotaro this much, Pressure Points aren't instant win buttons. The general conceit of the HNK series is that it's primarily used for quick and fast assassination, or at least it was originally. I'm getting a bit off-topic but anyway, If you have a strong enough spiritual power, you can suppress the effects of pressure points without any training. You're still going to explode, it's just a question of how much. Usually when you have a strong enough threshold, it's usually arms or head veins, not an entire body part. I think having a Stand would easily qualify for strong spiritual power, so it's not an instant win for Kenshiro. That said, Kenshiro has fought, ignoring HNK2, at least 3 people who had complete resistance/immunity to the effects of Hokuto Shin-Ken's pressure point strikes and had to resort to brute force. Gauging Kenshiro's power is almost kind of pointless considering the very notion of brute force in Hokuto no Ken being kinda... not the point. But there's quite a few canon feats they can use in his favor. Such as the time he stopped a death camp that constantly carried rocks around by dropping a boulder the size of a house on the people in charge (will edit this post if I can find a clip of it)

Or that time he antagonized some of Raoh's troops that were searching for him.





The main issue comes down to how they want to do the whole "You can't see or touch Stands" thing. I don't think that really flies in a crossover situation where people from other series also have spiritual abilities. However, one thing that's very much worth note is that Kenshiro... actually kinda has a Stand of his own. The ability "Musou Tensei" or as it's sometimes translated "Transmigration of Souls"
It allows for two main things. It allows him to become 100% intangible in short bursts. It also allows him to literally summon the spirits of his dead friends/rivals and they infuse his fighting style with their techniques flawlessly as they guide him.




Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 07, 2018, 12:40:50 am
Alright.  Well, first off, thank you for all that.  It does seem less clear-cut than before now.

However, psychic abilities do not equal spiritual ones.  That worries me in Kenshiro's case.  They may just look the other way for it, like for Naruto and Ichigo saying how chakra and reishi are totally different concepts, but what the hell, just make them interact with one another, but I'm getting Mewtwo vs Frieza vibes from this comparison.  The spiritually more impressive one still lacks the proper defenses against the psychic one. (Like for example, no one should bat an eye if someone claims Frieza can flick Mewtwo away with a finger, but the possibility remains for him to lose if Mewtwo just mind wipes his opponent.)

What works in Kenshiro's favor is the psychic in this case makes use of said powers by doing what Kenshiro is most prepared for; punching people.  Though time stopping is a big thing to counter; how long does it last?  Is this like Dio's thing, where he can set up as many attacks as he wants that will all register once the flow of time continues?  If it's not as serious as Dio and his knife tricks then while it's a good counter for Jotaro in most cases, it's the only thing he would have against Kenshiro, and would lose the majority of fights, which is what matters here.

Also I had figured Kenshiro clearly had the experience over Jotaro, because I always just presumed he was 17, but apparently looking him up he's 40 now.  So...that goes out the window.  Still, with this new data, then should Death Battle find reason to allow Kenshiro to interact with Star Platinum, then I'm going with Kenshiro.  Has too many advantages that I see that counter if not equal Jotaro's less expansive skillset, minus one hax skill in time manipulation that doesn't guarantee a win.

I will say this, this match is making me consider finding my FotNS DvDs and rewatch the series.  It's been many years, and I'm kinda done revisiting Sailor Moon so I could use a new series to jump on to reevaluate.  I was considering Eureka Seven, but manly men doing manly things with comical deaths works fine as well.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 07, 2018, 04:00:23 pm
Not sure where you got 40 from. He's supposed to be (the art style doesn't do him any favors) in his early to mid 20s But you're right about experience. Kenshiro was raised since he was a baby in the ways of martial arts. And when you consider his 12 year old older brother was initiated into the teaching of Hokuto Shin-Ken by being tossed off of a mountain and had to climb his way up with a broken arm, while also caring another sibling, I think it's safe to say Kenshiro has seen some shit. If they're going to use filler, which they shouldn't, and I don't consider it valid for this scenario, Kenshiro has fought a few psychics, one that could create illusions and another that could raise the dead. Paultry stuff, I know, but worth mention. I and I think most fans would agree with me, don't consider the sequel series (Hokuto no Ken 2 or Shin Hokuto no Ken) a good gauging point for Kenshiro. For a few reasons. He kinda gets stupidly OP to the point where the writers are stuck writing bad Superman plots where Kenshiro has to be trapped or otherwise unable to help for there to even be a conflict since he could practically sneeze people out of existence. And well, Shin Hokuto no Ken is just garbage. That said, even I don't see OP Part 2 Kenshiro fairing too well against Part 4 Jotaro. Hokuto no Ken has it's own rule similar to Jojo, even if it's only really explored more in-depth in filler. It's the notion that people without any spiritual power or "touki" as it's referred to; can't inflict damage on a person with it. Minus blades, because iunno, kryptonite or something.




This video also showcases Kenshiro's main combat strategy most of the time he encounters anyone who is a remote possible threat. He essentially fights passively until he gains a sense of the enemy's main strategies or techniques and then finds a way to counter when he needs to. In the entire series it's only caused him an issue twice, to my recollection.
Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Negi Springfield on March 07, 2018, 06:13:17 pm
double post for preview video

Title: Re: Death Battle/One Minute Melee
Post by: Long John Killer on March 08, 2018, 12:32:18 am
Not sure where you got 40 from.
His wiki page (http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/Jotaro_Kujo).  For part 6 of the manga.  Personally, the art looks more like he ages backwards, but that's just one of the series' quirks as I've figured.  And I would imagine this case would be same as most if not all the other Death Battles, in that filler is included up to the point where the canon directly contradicts it.  I think I know the psychic you mean that Kenshiro fought though, the fire witch who turns her minion's fire breath into dragon illusions?  Those worked kinda differently than a stand would.  I don't know if I'd even call them illusions, seeing it was more like fire manipulation to maneuver and shape like a dragon.

And yeah, I've noticed HnK's odd weapons weakness across the board, re-watching some scenes.  For a guy who can punt gang members out of Earth's orbit, and take hits just as hard, his skin's just as tough as yours or mine to any bladed weapon.  Which I guess makes some degree of sense, he's just thick skinned from such harsh training, but you'd imagine such supernatural powers would save him from, like, just getting shot.

I'm curious what part 4 Jotaro's OP nature is that you eluded to.  Is that where this time stop comes into play, or something bigger than that?
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 08, 2018, 01:54:59 am
Patra did create illusions, she merely created illusions of fire to mask her partner's attacks.

About Part 4 Jotaro. He still can't use Time Stop to the same effectiveness as DIO could, but he still has pretty decent control over it which may not be an instant win for him, but is a serious addition in his favor. Also, your hot link for Kenshiro info linked me to the Jojo wiki? I thought you were saying Kenshiro is older, not Jotaro.

As far as not using sequel Kenshiro... it's mainly due to how awful the writing gets after a point, but if they still use manga canon feats in his favor, I think Kenshiro has the upper hand but I wouldn't say it's a runaway by any means.


All the more reason i'm genuinely excited for this battle. It's the first battle Death Battle has done that doesn't feel, at least on surface level, for me, to be incredibly one-sided or flat out dumb.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 08, 2018, 02:10:25 am
Oh, no, I meant it was a surprise to learn that Jotaro is 40 now, I did not realize the time gap that had occurred over the series' run, I'm sorry.
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Post by: Person Man on March 14, 2018, 06:25:14 pm
Kyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnn!

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Post by: D.R.B on March 17, 2018, 09:16:08 pm
BDX

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Post by: Ex☆Cham on March 17, 2018, 09:48:58 pm
^Well that was actually fun to watch but that ending... Don´t mind who won but how is a dissapointment.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 21, 2018, 06:26:34 pm
Posting this ASAP, will have more to say after i've watched it



Update after watching
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 21, 2018, 07:20:50 pm
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Next fight is one I'm interested in on how they'll approach; Crash Bandicoot versus Spyro the Dragon.

Initial guess?  Spyro's pretty much got this, unless they count Crash's ability to take over monsters from Mind over Mutant.  In which case, he could have Spyro kill himself.
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Post by: D.R.B on March 21, 2018, 09:50:40 pm
I have to say that I'm rather surprised, anyway as a bones

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Post by: Person Man on March 21, 2018, 10:38:55 pm
Fuck Jotaro.  Just in general.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next fight's probably going to Spyro just because Crash doesn't really have much to work with.  Jump, spin, slide.  They can give him the fruit bazooka from Warped, but it ain't gonna add much.  Spyro's got a much wider arsenal of tools to fight with.

The only thing I really see working in Crash's favor, if they choose to go that route, is that Aku Aku provides more versatility and powers than Sparx does.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 21, 2018, 11:57:52 pm
I'm not as versed in the later Crash games as the later Spyro ones, and I'm a little foggy on that as well to be honest.  What else does Aku Aku do for Crash other than sustain him from two lethal hits and a powered-up invincibility for a limited time?

I've been trying to figure any strength feats in Crash's favor, but any of the bigger guys he struggles with I find Spyro deals with bigger threats easier.  I mean, his first game when he's at his youngest and weakest lets him charge through steel chests with no effort.  I guess Crash can spin fast enough to drill underground and make tunnels, so that's something.  I recall Spyro gaining immunity to lava, while Crash dies from simple TNT crates, so Crash is also on the losing side of durability.  And yeah, versatility is all Spyro's game once you get all the different elemental breaths.
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Post by: Person Man on March 22, 2018, 12:35:22 am
I mean, it's just invincibility but it's still more than Sparx ever does.  The only reason I even bring it up is the fact that their Spider-Man 2099 vs Batman Beyond fight pretty much boiled down to Bruce Wayne vs Lyla for who was the better assistant.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 22, 2018, 12:41:34 am
Hm, a fair assessment, seeing along with that, I'm still 100% confident Jak would destroy Ratchet, but while they ignored a number of things with Daxter, Clank was still the better partner. (Still think combined, Jak & Daxter would kill Ratchet & Clank, but that's a different discussion)

However, in this case, that's...all Aku Aku does, then.  Two hits and if he doesn't get hit at all and somehow gets a life boost he can become a temporary Star Power.  I recall Spyro having something similar, just not drawn from Sparx.  Heck, Sparx can attack, I don't recall Aku Aku every actually attacking in a fight.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2018, 10:32:52 pm
Double posting for news.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY_oqMJU0AAwMFG.jpg:large)
Spyro vs Crash is going to be their next 3D fight. (https://twitter.com/ScrewAttack/status/977255585874759680)

Good, I was hoping this was the case.  The sprites on the two are much too limited to do much in 2D.
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Post by: Person Man on March 28, 2018, 11:15:08 pm
Have a boy.

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Post by: Long John Killer on March 29, 2018, 12:28:21 am
Yeah, seeing this is going their regular route of combining all the versions into one, there's just no way Crash has a chance in hell against Legends Spyro.  If it were original trilogies for both, it would still likely be Spyro's win, but it's a harder won fight than Legends Spyro pulling the Earth back together after being split.  That's Hulk-levels of strength.  Plus even the stupider Spyros are all smarter than Crash, Legends is going to make him a genius on top of that.

And I know we just had an episode covering how time manipulation isn't everything, but....Spyro's got time powers.

Really, the only surprise I can see for poor Crash is that mind control ability with Aku Aku, and Sparx can fight off Aku Aku, never mind just break him with energy blasts if he's attached onto Spyro and busy focusing on that.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 31, 2018, 07:37:03 pm
A DBX that features Blades and Hell
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Post by: Person Man on April 04, 2018, 11:25:02 pm
Spike the Dragon

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 04, 2018, 11:25:02 pm
Spyro's preview's out. Whoops, Person Man beat me to posting it.

Ok, so yeah, Legends Spyro.  This is no longer even a match, it's Quicksilver versus Flash.  And, uh...also, that's odd of them.  They've done composites of practically everyone so far, why stop now?  Just because Legends mostly does what the others do, doesn't mean he does everything.  And I still feel this would have been better if it was Spyro classic versus Crash classic, but whatever.
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Post by: R565 on April 05, 2018, 12:07:06 am
I totally agree, this is more one sided than a lion going against a baby. Might as well see what kind of battle it will be.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 10, 2018, 01:27:54 pm
Preview of the next fight in their latest cast episode.


That's...not how I would have used Sparx.  And Aku Aku not being flammable?  I...they did play Spyro 3, yeah? :mwhy:

Whatever though.  Should still be a straight-forward outcome.
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Post by: Terry McJarrow on April 11, 2018, 07:32:45 pm


This was kinda unexpected.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 12, 2018, 12:13:42 am
I don't really have anything more to add to this match, other than they did a good job with the animation.  But that next fight?

Spoiler: Oh boy (click to see content)
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Post by: Person Man on April 12, 2018, 01:27:52 am
Sora's got a lot more flashy stuff that Pit does, but on the other hand Pit takes down gods on the reg.  Hades, Medusa, Thanatos;  Pit overpowers actual deities all the time while Sora's strongest opponents could charitably be referred to as personified sadness.  As far as DB's power scaling usually works, Pit might have the advantage there.  Plus, he's got literal divine protection from Palutena that could work in his favor too. I could see this one going either way.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 12, 2018, 01:41:09 am
Palutena would be outside help, no?  Unless we're throwing Donald, Goofy and King Mickey giving Sora a free life into the mix.  But even giving Pit that without the help for Sora, as I recall, doesn't he need to request and be granted clearance for each item, at her own discretion?  Sora's power is all his, minus the Keyblade which is, well, tied to him and not something Pit would be trying to unbind so yeah, still all his.

And I recall the gods of Kid Icarus being more on the lower end of the power scaling for gods, your typical Greek gods with pretty low end super strength and mild terraforming skills.  Shouldn't Sora beating the Chernabog (At least twice, if my memory isn't failing me he was in DDD?) place him at that point on Pit's highest feat tier, never mind the more powerful foes with Ansem, the Organization and such.  And on top of that, DDD has him so powerful even after restarting without his accumulated skills from the past games that he could solo Xemnas. (apparently somewhat easy if he was at his max, though at that point he was getting his mind warped)  And surely, the information we know of about KHIII at this point already shows he gets those discarded powers back on top of his Keyblade almost-mastery.

Look, Pit's impressive, but Sora's just stupidly more impressive.  Speed alone, he's gotta be above light speed, which should leave Pit in the dust.  And we didn't even talk transformations, which while gameplay requires additional help, in lore it does not, as we see him perform the initial transformation into Valor without sacrificing Goofy.  And if you want to be nit-picky, he can also be in any form outside Anti-form in any cutscene as well, implying it's not necessary as well.

It just occurred to me, are we getting two 3D matches in a row?  Sora has sprites, fairly well edited ones from Chain of Memories to look like his KHII attire too, but Pit is left with his stiff NES sprites, which don't match up at all.  I mean, they did that too with Beast and Goliath, but that was also one of their shorter episodes and I can't imagine they'd want to make this match a short one.
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Post by: BlazeHeatnix on April 13, 2018, 03:20:53 am
Did they actually, seriously try to imply Crash had autism?
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 13, 2018, 03:59:23 am
Among the things they've implied, I'm not so sure that's too far off, if you want to be needlessly technical.  Which is the heart of this series.  I guess it's another counter-point to Spyro with him having A.D.D. if you want to look at it like that.
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Post by: Kirishima on April 13, 2018, 06:57:06 am
Shouldn't Sora beating the Chernabog (At least twice, if my memory isn't failing me he was in DDD?)
He was but Riku fought him instead as Sora fought a Heartless in the same level.

Does Final Form Sora have any feats that makes vs Pit a breeze?  A plethora of magic isn't enough but Sora's feats during Armored Xemnas second fight is worth noticing with the strengh of his base Keyblade.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 13, 2018, 01:16:33 pm
Ah, wrong guy then.  Whoops.  Still, he beat him once early into his career then at least.

The forms don't really come into play in the story, since everything can also be done in his base form, so it's hard to say.  They're just multipliers to take into consideration to place on top of all the things he's been shown capable of in base.  Annoyingly, the various wikis online don't seem to actually show the stat increases each form gives to do the math on how much of a power boost it grants, just flavor text and describing what it does.  Which still helps to some degree, we know in Final Form he gains effortless continuous flight, the additional keyblade that comes with most forms and that both of them act with a mind of their own.

The second armored Xemnas fight, though?  It was dramatic, but beyond throwing skyscrapers (Which he does similar things since being a lion against that huge Heartless) and resisting being pulled into a black hole, I thought the final fight was the more important fight for feats.  Countering at least half of every single of Xemnas' light-speed laser cage blasts.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 13, 2018, 01:36:57 pm
To be fair, the only form that's worth mentioning is the Limit Form, since Sora's other forms do require Donald and Goofy (or other party members) to let it out.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 13, 2018, 01:39:10 pm
And we didn't even talk transformations, which while gameplay requires additional help, in lore it does not, as we see him perform the initial transformation into Valor without sacrificing Goofy.  And if you want to be nit-picky, he can also be in any form outside Anti-form in any cutscene as well, implying it's not necessary as well.
Unless they take the approach of gameplay over in-world intention, in which case Second Chance could save Sora from, like, disintegration.
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Post by: D.R.B on April 14, 2018, 07:15:56 pm
DBX
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 14, 2018, 11:21:09 pm
I know this is DBX, so ignoring how they went about it for a second.  But something that always bugged me about this match-up is what is Mr. Fantastic's default equipment, anyways?  He always works with his team with some sort of transportation with the tools and chemicals he needs to....uh, super-science.  And things like the last Death Battle sometimes make exceptions as to what a character would always carry on them, like Crash getting his mech suit.

I've always felt that while Luffy had the better powers, Reeds could just, like, watch him for a minute and deduce a formula to mix real quick to counteract the devil fruit or something.  But then that's kinda getting into "Batman wins with prep" territory.  That match up really boils down to what they feel like giving Mr. Fantastic to work with.

Also it's always amusing when they use those custom sprites with stiffer animations against something smoother, like Captain Marvel vs 18.
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Post by: D.R.B on April 15, 2018, 07:50:44 pm
Riot Rumble


Edit: Yop, animators are so obsessed with  Luffy that we ended up with two videos in a row with him fighting another character
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 16, 2018, 12:39:23 am
I don't know about you guys, but seeing this battle and DBX makes me want a Luffy for MUGEN with those sprites.
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Post by: Person Man on April 18, 2018, 11:24:47 pm
Anime:  The boy.

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 18, 2018, 11:34:42 pm
I'm not recognizing that soundtrack.  And they typically use music associated with the series being presented.  Am I blanking on one of the side game's songs, or is it one of the Gummi Ship songs?  Because the only one I got memorized is the one they pulled from Sonic.

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Post by: Duos.act on April 20, 2018, 10:14:42 pm
They switched to original BGM since Silver Samurai vs Shredder and no longer use music lifted directly from the source.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 21, 2018, 12:05:13 am
Isn't that just the animated fight sequence?  That and the very opening title card for the show, anyways.  I recall Sephiroth and Vergil using music from their games.  At the very least Sephiroth's theme.

...Though now that I think of it, I was wondering why Crash Bandicoot's analysis was also done whilst waiting for the beat to drop.  Though the generic high fantasy choir music for Legends Spyro could have fooled me from what I remember.  It sure wasn't the trilogy's approach, as I recall.

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 25, 2018, 11:21:23 pm

Double post because Pit teaser's out.

Man, this actually makes me feel even worse for Pit's chances, with this brief reminder.  Of course it's not the full in-depth thing, but just remembering that their comparative mooks are comparing pure darkness and I guess dark matter ghosts (How do you qualify Nobodies who don't retain their human body?) to, well, sentient vegetables.  Yeah, it's not the high end stuff that matters to each of them but it doesn't help Pit's case that he's challenged by them.

I got a question to clarify because I don't get the match-up.  I've been seeing people suggest Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII versus Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles for some time, and getting just more and more upliked as time goes on.  I know a great deal about Lightning.  I do not know nor care much for Shulk or his series.  But I do try to not be bias here; what's the connection and how is at all in relatively similar power scales?  Lightning in the first game fought a religious cult/political power and a minor god in the first game, which already seems rather high on the power charts, though granted with help.  But onwards, it just gets stupid.  Lightning existing until the end of time fighting an endless fight against an immortal, being omnipresent on the timeline just for the second game, then the third has her beat an omnipotent, that game's universe's equivalent to God.  All I know about Shulk is his blade changes forms for different abilities.

Now, I'm not one to shy away from suggesting a fight not on account of it being a close match but because of the similarities between the two, but this just seems unfair and disconnected?
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Post by: D.R.B on April 29, 2018, 12:21:28 am
DBX
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 29, 2018, 09:18:05 pm

Preview for Sora vs Pit around the 2:17 mark.

Huh, I guess those are Super Smash Flash sprites for Pit.  Never played that, guess that's why I've never seen them.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 02, 2018, 11:31:02 pm

And now for the full thing.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next fight is Leon Kennedy versus Frank West.  Not my cup of tea, but I suppose they haven't done a zombie match yet, so another one to check off the list I suppose.  I would have figured Chris would match up more, Frank being a joke-ish character and Chris being made into a joke with superhuman strength, but then, I don't play either series.
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Post by: Person Man on May 02, 2018, 11:50:45 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Frank vs Leon feels like an obvious matchup from a character perspective, but it seems heavily stacked in Leon's favor.  Sure, Frank's got the edge in terms of sheer number of zombies killed, but Leon is a highly trained soldier with way more actual combat experience.  Plus, he's got guns.  Many, many big guns.  Frank's arsenal is limited to whatever he can find lying around.

Still, this should be a interesting match.  IIRC, neither character has ever done anything overtly superhuman, so it'll come down to their actual skills and abilities.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 02, 2018, 11:56:36 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Does MvC3 stuff count as inhuman?  Photography boosting his stats?  And I'm aware he has some Capcom crossover items present in his game, would they allow him turning into X?  Or is that not normally acquired equipment, some DLC nonsense or whatever?

Oh wait, duh, they showed off the Mega Man armor and Mega Buster in the Next Time preview.  So yeah, he'll be getting that stuff too, I guess.

On a different topic, just because we keep using this thread for fights outside just Death Battle and One Minute Melee, plus it being long since outdated that they were under ScrewAttack, just changing the title to something more broad.  Yay or nay for anyone?
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Post by: Lichtbringer on May 04, 2018, 10:12:03 pm
If they add anything from Resident Evil: Vendetta, than I would say Leon has inhuman reflexes and aiming abilities. ö.ö
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Post by: Kirishima on May 05, 2018, 06:19:52 am
@balmsold Your Frank West sprites are likely going to be used in amazing fashion.  May want to check this next episode in a couple of weeks.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 07, 2018, 06:09:45 am
Frank vs Leon feels like an obvious matchup from a character perspective, but it seems heavily stacked in Leon's favor.  Sure, Frank's got the edge in terms of sheer number of zombies killed, but Leon is a highly trained soldier with way more actual combat experience.  Plus, he's got guns.  Many, many big guns.  Frank's arsenal is limited to whatever he can find lying around.

Still, this should be a interesting match.  IIRC, neither character has ever done anything overtly superhuman, so it'll come down to their actual skills and abilities.

Frank has taken down highly trained soldiers before, such as Cliff Hudson, Brock Mason (that last guy you fight on the tank), went even on Fortana, and even Calder, who was a mutated zombie with a mind of a soldier, even though they played an even game with that overpowered armor upgrade (still counts, right?). Also, if they're counting 4, he can make anything from everything. I'd imagine this battle would be like Crash vs Spyro. At first, it'd seem one would tower the other, but they'd find a way to make it pretty even.
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Post by: D.R.B on May 07, 2018, 10:53:31 pm
OMM
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Post by: Person Man on May 09, 2018, 11:27:55 pm
Preview for John F. Kennedy:

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Post by: D.R.B on May 12, 2018, 11:14:25 pm
DBX
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 14, 2018, 04:25:23 am

New Death Battle Cast.  Preview of the actual Leon vs Frank fight at 4:40.

Eh, they're kinda painting Frank to be the bad guy here.  They have a bit of a trend that when two good guys fight, the one they make out to be the wrongdoer is gonna lose.
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Post by: Person Man on May 16, 2018, 08:02:20 pm
Adam West:

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Post by: D.R.B on May 19, 2018, 08:35:54 pm
Mini Rumble
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on May 20, 2018, 03:06:26 am

The Bowz vs. Triple-D
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 23, 2018, 08:03:32 pm
Meh..
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Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 08:16:44 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 11:37:34 pm
I liked how they animated this fight.  Only the very ending felt, I dunno, suddenly rushed from who wins to jumping to the K.O. screen.  Ah well, nitpicking.  For not caring much about either side, the rundown actually made me care a bit more about Leon, so that's nice.

Next fight is Doctor Strange and Doctor Fate, eh?  Thought they would avoid reality-warpers, but I suppose this one has been a long time coming, so an exception can be made.  I'm not exceedingly versed in either, but like, isn't Fate considered deity level?  Granted, Marvel's gods are still super-powerful and Strange can tangle with them.

I get the feeling because Strange relies on the Eye of Agamotto for things like time manipulation and Fate can just manipulate it himself, there will be some way to disconnect it from Strange and Fate will be able to hold that advantage over him.  Like, rewinding to when he first gets it, thus can't yet control its power like in the present, then erasing him then affecting future/present Strange.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking characters I'm not an expert on, who's to say?
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Post by: D.R.B on May 26, 2018, 07:16:12 pm
DBX
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 26, 2018, 11:08:13 pm
I am vaguely familiar which series the boy comes from, and have zero clue who the girl is, but that is a weird as hell music choice.
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Post by: Malikai on May 27, 2018, 07:29:18 pm
The boy is Killua from HunterxHunter and the girl is Akame from Akame ga Kill.
The only issue with this fight is that Akame's weapon is a one-hit kill should she strike flesh at all.
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Post by: Person Man on May 30, 2018, 11:23:01 pm
Doctor Weird

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Post by: D.R.B on June 03, 2018, 03:10:02 am
OMM
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Post by: Person Man on June 06, 2018, 11:19:48 pm
Doctor Bong

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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 07, 2018, 09:32:37 am
So on the same day, Limit Break and XVX does the same fight, although Limit Break was first.



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Post by: Gennos on June 07, 2018, 10:54:11 am
jeez those death battle clones are dime a dozen now, i haven't even heard of those two before.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 08, 2018, 07:57:56 am
XVX fights have been posted in thread before
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Post by: D.R.B on June 09, 2018, 08:27:00 pm
DBX
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Post by: RoySquadRocks on June 09, 2018, 09:03:17 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Negi Springfield on June 13, 2018, 07:36:16 pm
It's out

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Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 11:47:43 pm
Well, that was a fun episode.

So next is Ryu and Jin.  Not high on my personal list, but one I know many others would die for, so that's fine.  To my knowledge, Evil Ryu should scale to regular Akuma, so not counting Asura's Wrath, he should be at island levels of destruction, yeah?  I'm less familiar on Jin's history of lore, though, so don't know where he compares to there.

I'm assuming regardless Ryu's Power of Nothing being a foil to the evil powers both use and just being kinda OP in their universe will push him to win. 
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Post by: Seadragon77 on June 14, 2018, 04:06:10 am
Well, that was a fun episode.

So next is Ryu and Jin.  Not high on my personal list, but one I know many others would die for, so that's fine.  To my knowledge, Evil Ryu should scale to regular Akuma, so not counting Asura's Wrath, he should be at island levels of destruction, yeah?  I'm less familiar on Jin's history of lore, though, so don't know where he compares to there.

I'm assuming regardless Ryu's Power of Nothing being a foil to the evil powers both use and just being kinda OP in their universe will push him to win. 

Devil Jin can pack a punch... I just don't think he can pack as much of a punch as Evil Ryu can. There isn't anything in Tekken that showcases how powerful Devil Jin is in terms of destruction similar to what you mentioned.

When it comes to normal forms, though... I think Ryu's years of experience would easily trump anything Jin has.
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Post by: Person Man on June 14, 2018, 04:40:32 am
Well, if you look at feats of endurance, in Jin's Tekken 3 ending Heihachi shoots him in the face and he walks away from it.  I can't think of anything offhand Ryu's done that's comparable to shrugging off a bullet to the brain.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 14, 2018, 04:47:56 am
If we're taking information from the previous video with Ryu against Scorpion, his base form is faster than point-blank gunfire but as for actual defense against bullets, as Evil Ryu guns don't even scratch him.  And if we're still to compare Evil Ryu to Akuma, then Evil Ryu could demolish skyscrapers with his Hadoken, which Akuma's Gohadokens would be stronger and Ryu's tanked.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 14, 2018, 06:54:24 am
That was a fun episode. I kind of wish they made Dr. Fate's voice echo like they did in Injustice 2, but Dr. Strange's voice, I'd say, was pretty close to what he would sound like.

I honestly hope they don't use Kazuya's Devil form to compare to Jin's own Devil, since he couldn't really control it that much until 6-7, I'd say? (I kind of forgot about Tekken 6). The only thing I remember was him taking out that Also, if we are going for Ryu vs Scorpion territory, then Ryu also has the Power of Nothingness at his side as well.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 14, 2018, 08:13:29 am
Watch them use the Blood Vengeance movie stuff as reference as well.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 17, 2018, 11:05:24 am
OMM
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 18, 2018, 05:36:41 am
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Now in terms of scaling....Jin is literally at the top of tekken next to lars who he stalemated with (a man who literally defeated almost all of the cast and henchmen in T6), He's beaten kazuya and heihachi simultaneously(both have stalemated with akuma and survived raging demons. with kazuya fighting shin akuma in the bonus stage of tekken 7)

Since Udon street fighter comics are non canon, Ryu currently hasn't managed to defeat shin akuma or base akuma in any main title.

however if we were to add non canon feats to both of them( asuras wrath, blood vengeance and TTT2) Jin's feats still outweigh ryu's... as ryu got his shit rocked by asura and base akuma

I'm going for jin
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 08:34:53 pm
Canon is questionable when it comes to Death Battle.  They take on main storyline, then just add everything they pick and choose on top of that, regardless of canon.  Chances are, like all the previous Street Fighter matches, the comics will be taken into account.

Where it may matter most is Akuma's relationship to the Tekken franchise.  If they include Asura's Wrath, then Akuma is a planet-buster, despite other sources not placing him that high (Though I guess MvC:I did make a big deal out of the Satsui no Hado being stronger than Marvel's Death, so eh?  Sort of a no-limits fallacy?) and I'm presuming Akuma's time in Tekken didn't involve him doing anything to that degree.  If we're taking the Akuma that showed up in Asura's Wrath and say it's the same one that showed in Tekken, then they surely downplay his power, while Ryu's dealt with him at his fullest.

So from your breakdown, it sounds Jin powered up is less durable than Evil Ryu, has an elemental control greater than Ryu's but with little impact considering everyone in SF deals with being burned, electrocuted and whatnot and are fine, and can fly which gives him better ground control than Ryu.  I'm gonna say Ryu still takes this at the Evil Ryu state.  Going beyond that with the Power of Nothing is going to be overkill.  Speed's still a overly-relied stat in Death Battle outcomes, and Ryu's still at his base faster than point-blank gunshots.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on June 20, 2018, 09:50:42 pm
you're right on them most likely picking and choosing what canon and feats they like, but lately for game characters, they tend to breakdown a lot of game cutscenes and scaling for proper stats. also bullet timing is pretty common in tekken as heihachi(who jin is no doubt stronger than) could even catch bullets between his teeth

In the sense of canon durability, Jin managed to get up from being beaten down to a pulp by tekken force , drugged and played with by devil while unconscious in the 4th game. and has survived the explosion that sent him flying miles and buried in sand during landing after a long fight with lars

Kazama's blood that nullifies the devil gene wont let something like the raging demon or power of nothingness kill him

it'd essentially come down to raw speed and power when it comes to the victor here... if they include scaling with akuma in tekken 7, then jin wins.
on the other hand, ryu wins if they count the non canon crossovers like asuras wrath and MVCI

fun note: Street fighter may be one of the few fighting games in which the characters both get stronger and then weaker for plot(ryu didn't really use the power of nothingness on urien, gill or akuma in SF3 now)
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Post by: D.R.B on June 20, 2018, 11:46:18 pm
Limit Break: Showdown
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Post by: Person Man on June 21, 2018, 12:06:22 am
Kung Fu Man

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Post by: Long John Killer on June 21, 2018, 03:36:53 am
Ugh, that title is as bad a pun as yours.  Good job, Screw Attack.

I'm of the mindset that if they're going to use the footage of something, they're counting it to the total amalgamation that their interpretation of the character is.  And they've counted Marvel vs Capcom for Ryu before.  Chances are they'll look into MvC up to Infinite and Asura's Wrath here too.  They probably even did look into Asura's Wrath with the Ryu/Scorpion match previously, just it doesn't offer anything to help in that specific case.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 23, 2018, 11:38:10 pm
DBX
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Post by: Person Man on June 27, 2018, 11:45:50 pm
Suave Dude

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Post by: R565 on June 27, 2018, 11:49:40 pm
These puns are dad joke quality......
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Post by: D.R.B on June 28, 2018, 12:30:29 am
Thor Rematch with WW
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Post by: D.R.B on June 28, 2018, 11:42:47 pm
double post to post this new MR
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Post by: MAO11 on June 29, 2018, 10:23:22 am
that's actually amazing.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 30, 2018, 11:24:30 pm


UH OH

Whoever wins, there will be blood

Fangirl blood
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 01, 2018, 12:28:43 am
Is there really?  The fangirl-ing of both of them died ages ago as far as I've seen.  And they're trying to predict a character based on an appearance that hasn't even come out yet.  Even for those who get really involved in these less logical matches that are supposed to be just for fun can see this isn't really accurate or trying to be.  It would be nice if the animator abided by their own rules though.  It's one minute, don't drag it past that after one side won to suddenly flip it for shock value.

And yeah, just for my two cents, Riku probably would destroy Sasuke, just via scaling to Sora in KHII, but for this case who cares?  I'm just curious who bothered to make a spriteset for KHIII Riku before the game even comes out to get a better overall view of what he does to represent him best.


Annnnnd never mind that last bit, just realized it's an edited Noctis.  Well, I feel silly, now.
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Post by: MAO11 on July 01, 2018, 02:17:28 am
kingdom hearts has fans? i know naruto has some but they're usually 20+ years old black guys.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on July 04, 2018, 07:31:02 pm
It's out

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Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2018, 08:22:58 pm
That was another good 3D animation.  It's a shame they can't do those more often, I would have liked Strange vs Fate to be like that.  Though I don't get what the deal was with the underground World Tree, was that some Tekken homage?

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

So continuing the fan request trend this season, huh?  Samurai Jack versus Afro Samurai.  I mean, I kinda get why people request it, both are western attempts at a very deeply eastern concept that were hugely popular for a time, one being kid-friendly (to a degree, and then there's the Adult Swim season of course) and the other incredibly mature.  But, like, doesn't Jack vastly outclass Afro Samurai?

Ok, I'm not really well versed in Afro Samurai, but his series takes place in feudal Japan.  Jack's far into the future, and deals with those massively technologically advanced threats as fodder.  If for example Afro has any feats outspeeding a rifle from early Japan, Jack's effortlessly deflected machine gun rounds, lasers, heck, he's roundhouse kicked multiple missiles back to sender.  The only caveat I can see is if Afro is considered a good guy, will Jack's holy sword not be able to damage him?

Also, now that I think of it, is this two 3D matches in a row?  I'm aware Jack has some sprites available, if stiff as hell and either out-of-place really hi-res or else those terrible phone game ones, but I don't think Afro has anything?  But they do have a handful of 3D models available.
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Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 12:50:29 am
Really not a fan of how much of their decision was speculative power scaling based on other character's feats.  "Akuma/Kazuya did this, and Ryu/Jin beat him, which means Ryu/Jin can do that."

I don't know anything about Afro Samurai except for that one game that was so shit they pulled it off the marketplace on all platforms, deleted it from everyone's hard drives who had already bought it and gave a full refund for every single purchase.  Still, I'm actually really looking forward to this one.  Thematically, it's a really cool matchup that should be really interesting. 
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Post by: Gennos on July 05, 2018, 04:58:53 am
it was an edgy two volume manga that was adapted to a 5 episodes anime and a movie, that somewhat toned down how much of a ruthless shitbag afro in the manga was.
which was the right decision, who would cheer for a psychopath who uses a woman  (https://i.imgur.com/4636FxW.jpg)as a human  (https://i.imgur.com/0GMkAYN.jpg)shield  (https://i.imgur.com/4jj470f.jpg)and decapitate her afterwards.
the first game and the anime are pretty cool tho, samuel jackson is great in them.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 05, 2018, 05:25:22 am
That was another good 3D animation.  It's a shame they can't do those more often, I would have liked Strange vs Fate to be like that.  Though I don't get what the deal was with the underground World Tree, was that some Tekken homage?

It's them taking full advantage of the Rooster Teeth ownership because that was a reused environment from this past season of RWBY

Which of course means it's the most action that environment has seen



That's a joke about how boring the fights in RWBY are now
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 05, 2018, 07:27:05 am
I wasn't aware they were ever good.  I thought it was anime Harry Potter.  Which seems to be a thing in style (https://myanimelist.cdn-dena.com/images/anime/13/83934.jpg), nowadays.

Yeah, though, I did kinda blank on how horrible a person Afro was, I dunno why I was worried about Jack's sword at all killing him, if the technecally still innocent Daughters of Aku could be slain by it.  Never mind, then, Jack's got this thrice over.

Really not a fan of how much of their decision was speculative power scaling based on other character's feats.  "Akuma/Kazuya did this, and Ryu/Jin beat him, which means Ryu/Jin can do that." 
I just want to say while yes, power scaling often has its faults, in this case it seems logical because both of the characters each are respectively being compared to have the same powers as them and are related/supposedly related.  It's not like, say for random example, Superman got hit by two planets crashing into one another and survived but hurt him, then Green Lantern punched him with his ring and it hurt, thus Green Lantern ring punches hits relatively around the force of two planets colliding.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 05, 2018, 12:26:17 pm
I don't think Jack has killed anyone (living, not robotic-wise) with his sword. But that didn't stop him from killing the Daughters of Aku with other weapons, so he could probably use Afro's own sword to kill him.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 05, 2018, 08:55:46 pm
the fight and music was good
next time is one sided for jack

as for the actual results
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
A lot of VS debators, shows and communities said this one is wrong
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Post by: GENOCIDE CUTTAH XIV on July 06, 2018, 12:17:40 am
^
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Honestly very disappointed with the results. Instead of giving petty wins and cherry picking, they should be straight and honest.
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Post by: Prime SC on July 06, 2018, 01:45:46 am
the fight and music was good
next time is one sided for jack

as for the actual results
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
A lot of VS debators, shows and communities said this one is wrong

A pity win indeed, exactly my thoughts
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 06, 2018, 03:12:22 am
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Post by: Duos.act on July 06, 2018, 03:16:14 am
Why does every result you don't like have to have some kind of ulterior motive?  Why is it that hard to just accept that your favorite character isn't invincible and hold the L?  If you wanted to make the case that they specifically picked an opponent he could beat, sure.  But there's not really any gain to skewering the result in favor of either party.  It's not like there's a conspiracy to somehow kill your favorite series by making the main character lose.  I think maybe these "vs debator communities" are upset that a third party did not adhere to their confirmation bias.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 06, 2018, 03:21:31 am
Not for nothing, Death Battle specifically does have a bit of a stigma around it for that very specific reason thanks to Yang vs Tifa. (And to an extent Superman vs Goku looking for hype more than accuracy, but that's old news and that's a match-up without any singular solid outcome anyways)

But they have nothing to gain in this case, and it would be ridiculous to suspect that they needed to break any win/lose streak.  It does suck whenever they bring something new and fresh to the series and kill it off to something overall less impressive (Ramona vs Amy still sucks) but yeah, it's just speculation for fun.  I disagree with around 80% of these videos but they're still just fun "what if's?".
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Post by: ZeroCannon on July 06, 2018, 04:51:19 am
For the next DBX(or at least one minute melee) I want:

Mai(KOF) vs Yumi(Senran Kagura)

Or Asuka(Senran Kagura) vs Karai(TMNT)

EDIT: Although I want my SK Waifus to win.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 06, 2018, 02:04:37 pm
Why does every result you don't like have to have some kind of ulterior motive?  Why is it that hard to just accept that your favorite character isn't invincible and hold the L?
Rooting for someone and knowing who wins is two different things
I was ok with jotaro and frank losing as i had to stretch far to make the fight seem less one sided

but this was literally a cherry picked fight, no way at looking around the fact that jin was summed down as "that dude with the lasers" with every other power and ability cut from his lineup just cuz alongside the fact that they used non canon feats and scaling from comics and crossover games for ryu. Or do you just think everything death battle says should go without questioning since they are the know all source for VS shows. (Don't you see the irony calling everyone bias while at the same time going on about how DB is always right?)

^Fighting jam.... not even a street fighter game nor a fighter with a story behind it

@Long John Killer

Its canon in T5 that hwoarang got his ass beat by devil jin after holding the advantage against jin in his base
Whether this  is an accurate representation or not still holds enough reference value to be counted... but nope

Since balrog vs TJ i've seen (and i'm sure they've seen) a lot of complaints and comments about how SF is solely on DB just to lose. with their last win being blanka vs a pikachu. I wouldn't even mind had they made a better pity match like ryu vs kazuya/ iron fist/Ryo sakazaki(which would also give SNK an L) but hey whatever.... im just butthurt right?
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Post by: Person Man on July 06, 2018, 04:08:08 pm
Yes, you are.  You’re accusing them of cherry picking in favor of Ryu, but you are literally cherry picking in favor of Jin in all of your posts.  You really are coming across as super butthurt and petty because your guy lost.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 06, 2018, 05:44:06 pm
They clearly stated IF (and this is a big IF) Akuma destroying the meteor feat was to be judged, then they would've had used the Jack destroying the meteor feat, and Akuma's meteor was closer to impact and possibly one punch while it took more blows, and further distance for the Jack to blow it up.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on July 06, 2018, 06:40:06 pm
I can understand that Kazuya would be a decent point to start when it comes to Jin's powers with the Devil Gene. Kazuya, though, has better control of its powers (as seen in Tekken 7) then Jin does, so it stands to reason Devil Jin might not be as strong as Devil Kazuya.

What I don't understand is comparing Akuma to Ryu. Yes, they have the same fighting style... but Akuma is more brute force in his style. I fail to understand the connection here outside of the idea of them having the same fighting style.

Other then that, I thought it was a great match.
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on July 06, 2018, 10:24:53 pm
Yes, you are.  You’re accusing them of cherry picking in favor of Ryu, but you are literally cherry picking in favor of Jin in all of your posts.  You really are coming across as super butthurt and petty because your guy lost.
I fail to see how listing what jin literally can do(that wasn't used) before and after the death battle is cherry picking.
If they're going to give everything for ryu, the same should be done for jin
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 06, 2018, 11:50:09 pm
And again Asura’s wrath wasnt included,and Asura did smash Ryu into fucking moon and he survived(he transformed evil but still survived) that feat is bigger than anything Jin can do,Didnt Evil Ryu fix Aagus’s crack on earth with Messatsu Goshoryu? That alone should outpower Jin
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 08, 2018, 08:51:16 pm

Their latest Death Battle Cast goes into breaking down the Ryu/Jin fight as well.  Including Akuma's role between the two franchises.

And I guess the next episode isn't sprites or 3D, they're doing the whole things hand drawn again.  Eh, I guess that's fine, but I thought the 3D models would have less clashing between art styles.  Jack and Afro look just way too different, and it shows that Afro here ended up less detailed.
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Post by: Person Man on July 11, 2018, 11:18:03 pm
Applejack:

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Post by: D.R.B on July 11, 2018, 11:49:29 pm
Ichigo Vs Dante
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 12, 2018, 02:02:00 am
Those are quite the clashing sprite styles.  Wonder why they went with them.  And it's been a while since watching/reading Bleach, but I don't recall the soul reapers carrying the candies themselves, it was typically the human vessels?  Eh, whatever, I'm sure it doesn't matter.
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Post by: D.R.B on July 15, 2018, 02:03:32 am
OMM
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Post by: Person Man on July 18, 2018, 11:29:45 pm
Afroman

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Post by: D.R.B on July 22, 2018, 12:32:05 am
DBX
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Post by: Prime SC on July 22, 2018, 12:39:07 am
Jesus I didn't expect that and since when did she have exploding sai's
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Post by: Negi Springfield on July 25, 2018, 07:21:32 pm
It's out




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Post by: R565 on July 25, 2018, 08:32:00 pm
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Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 11:52:06 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 26, 2018, 01:51:55 am
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What an odd choice for the next fight though.  This season's all fan requests, yeah?  I don't think I've ever once seen Carnage versus Lucy from Elfin Lied.  Many things with Carnage, and maybe once or twice Lucy versus Tetsuo, but these two just because bloody outcomes?  Eh, whatever.  Maybe they want to give a win to anime with the whole "anime versus comics, comics always wins" trope the commenters like to throw out, I dunno.  Not like 18 won with ease or anything.

I don't recall what it takes for a symbiote to qualify as "dead", beyond complete and total disintegration.  Surely, Carnage will show superior stats, while Lucy simply tele-frags him over and over and he can't do anything as he has no counter or response to it, like Mewtwo versus Shadow.  It'll kill Carnage's host, of course, but I don't know if you can just keep exploding a symbiote from the inside over and over never-endingly until it gives up from pain or something.

Then again, she can just, like, throw him into space or the sun, that'll do it.
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Post by: Foobs on July 26, 2018, 03:30:03 am
The Sentry killed Carnage by ripping him in two with his bare hands. Granted, the guy has super strength, but it's not like that's rare in Comicland and Animetown.

 I'm 99% sure Death Battle will bring it up.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 26, 2018, 03:32:05 am
Well, that kills the host.  Symbiotes can live without them.  Supposedly.  I'm no buff on them, and I only knew Carnage when he was new so I don't know what transpired beyond him being 3x stronger than Venom and has resistances to sound and fire instead of weaknesses.

But if in Carnage's case, his life's tied to the host's, then gee, that makes this so much easier for Lucy.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 26, 2018, 04:29:45 am
It cannot be understated that Kasady actually survived the ripping in two and presumably the reentry. He's a slasher movie villain - decapitate him, hit him with a truck, lobotmize him, watch him sacrifice himself to stop a gene bomb because of a moral inversion, as long as he's got the symbiote he can't truly die. (It's not unique to him, of course - Eddie's Other was constantly keeping his cancer at bay and just recently re-knit a full on hole through his chest and restarted his heart. That's love, baby)

But he can get fucked up and killed for a while, and from what I remember from this shitfest anime that girl has invisible ghost hands so I don't know how this is even a contest
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Post by: Kirishima on July 26, 2018, 06:49:56 am
Were there any cases where Carnage frequently gets into his opponent's head and constantly mocks them over their features/loved ones/etc before or after the beatdown?

Lucy will curbstomp if he does something like this to her.  IIRC threats to her love interest makes her lose it and causes her vectors (ghost hands) to drastically rise in power, speed, and reach.  Even in her past, she went on a fierce blood spree after she kept getting bullied over her appearence.

Also, I realized that they are gonna use the Kula edit for this battle.
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Post by: Iori730 on July 26, 2018, 07:00:19 am
Because all Carnage needs to do is swoop in, and off with her head and whatever-else you prefer. :gouki: :muttrox: :muttrox:
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Post by: R565 on July 26, 2018, 07:37:47 am
Were there any cases where Carnage frequently gets into his opponent's head and constantly mocks them over their features/loved ones/etc before or after the beatdown?

Lucy will curbstomp if he does something like this to her.  IIRC threats to her love interest makes her lose it and causes her vectors (ghost hands) to drastically rise in power, speed, and reach.  Even in her past, she went on a fierce blood spree after she kept getting bullied over her appearence.

Also, I realized that they are gonna use the Kula edit for this battle.

LMAO, I know right? They better use that crazy looking version of Carnage.
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Post by: D.R.B on July 29, 2018, 12:05:07 am
OMM
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Post by: Ex☆Cham on July 29, 2018, 01:43:26 am
This was funny, specially when Spider weeb Ruby and pull her near.

Also that ending was perfect
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 29, 2018, 01:59:02 am
I don't follow RWBY.  What's the connection between the two?  Besides the color red and protagonists.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 29, 2018, 02:35:32 am
None in the slightest. Well, beyond the connection Spider-Man has with any teenage hero I suppose.
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Post by: lui on July 29, 2018, 03:17:59 am
I don't follow RWBY.  What's the connection between the two?  Besides the color red and protagonists.

there isnt any. does it really matter
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 29, 2018, 03:20:07 am
None of this matters, but the questions are fun

[avatar]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vvIrdg-epwA/hqdefault.jpg[/avatar]
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 29, 2018, 03:37:41 am
I mean, typically you have a comparative point to contrast two characters.  If not within the confines of their actual lore in-universe then further beyond in scope of their type of media or portrayal, like Scorpion to Ryu as fighting game mascots.

But no, it doesn't really matter.  I would just assume if they took the time to line up combatants thus far with others that are similar, then this would follow suit.

Also thank you for that Carl reference.  I needed that laugh.
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Post by: Kirishima on July 29, 2018, 06:12:20 am
I don't follow RWBY.  What's the connection between the two?  Besides the color red and protagonists.
Both their uncles are seen as role models in their lives.

It's something  :S
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 29, 2018, 06:25:16 am
Both their moms are dead and had secret jobs they didn't really know about, for that matter
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on August 01, 2018, 09:27:59 pm
I can't think of a good pun for Carnage.

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 02, 2018, 01:19:31 am
Carnage-y Hall? (Man, now I'm doing them too)

I'm going to be revisiting the anime for Elfin Lied in the meantime leading up to this match-up, both for this match and it's just been a long time since thinking about the series.  But for now, my initial assumption stands.  Obviously, the symbiote that rivals Spider-Man is going to show off the better stats, but his lacking means to prevent Lucy's offense at all, never mind getting anything near her, makes it exceedingly hard for him to do much.

Welp, binge watched the show and now I'm even more confused than before.  I think I know Elfen Lied's key problem, though.  They made the psychopathic mass murderer more human and relatable and likable than the main duo.  And the homeless girl with the predator step-dad and abusive mother was better than them too.  And all the Diclonius, actually.  Kouta and Yuka are terrible characters.

But as per Death Battle, I am now questioning the vector force field's power, seeing it in action.  On the one hand, up to a certain strength of resistance, it can stop anything from any angle.  But then they come along with pistols with a higher piercing strength than armor-piercing, and it kills Diclonius instantly and can't be blocked.  So maybe they'll find reason to compare Carnage's rocket fingers having a higher piercing capability than armor-piercing rounds?

Second realization, uh, what do they plan on showing the audience during the breakdown to display her powers?  All fights, feats and displays of powers either are performed in the nude, quite uncensored at that, or end as such.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on August 04, 2018, 09:52:19 pm
DBX
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 08:21:54 pm
Lefty Lucy


:EDIT:  Looks like this is going to start being a thing.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 12, 2018, 08:53:00 pm
Yeah, they showed those models off in a previous Cast episode.  Speaking of which, here's a new one in which they have a preview for the upcoming fight as well as announce that episode 99 will be live action.



Huh.  Oddly, the way they animate Carnage reminds me an awful lot of Invader Zim.

I dunno, still haven't seen anything convincing yet from Carnage to give him a win beyond piercing strength versus an unknown caliber of specially designed bullet.  Alongside end of manga stuff, unless there's a comic run where Carnage spread his symbioite across the entire globe and infected everyone to control them, he still seems outclassed.  I still think it's as simple as picking him up and throwing him off the Earth.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 13, 2018, 02:41:03 pm
This battle has curb stomp written all over it. I mean, did you see what she did to those assholes who killed her puppy?

This is going to be like that... times 100.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 15, 2018, 08:41:05 pm
It's out


Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: R565 on August 15, 2018, 08:53:02 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 15, 2018, 11:39:40 pm
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But oh boy, the next one is one I've been wanting for ages.  Optimus Prime versus the original Gundam.  It's more a fight between icons that a fair fight, I mean, Optimus has been around for how many eons again?  But man, I hope it's 3D and like the Megazord/Voltron fight.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 16, 2018, 01:26:49 am
Weakness to Fire and high frequency/really loud sound is just an inherent weakness of the Symbiote species.


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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 16, 2018, 01:57:23 am
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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 16, 2018, 02:32:31 am
There's a quote I always fall back on when it comes to a question of mech versus mech, from Zone of the Enders 2:

Lloyd said:
The performance of these two bodies is even. But to match Anubis, Jehuty lacks one thing: a program to bring out the full performance of Jehuty.

That depends on the skill of the runner.

In terms of weaponry for vanilla Gundam they can go to toe: Prime has his ax for melee (or any number of melee weapons depending on how far they want to go to grab feats, I mean if they give him the Star Saber from TFPrime gg kthx no re)

If it was nu-Gundam it would potentially be a win, but even then at the end of the day: Prime is not a Mobile Suit. He does not have to wait even a half second for pilot input because it is his body. He is the runner, operating himself at his own full performance. I think he wins.

Also, yeah the sparks are the souls of the Transformers there was a ghost Starscream floating around
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 16, 2018, 02:54:38 am
I would have to imagine they would use G1 Optimus.  Besides the obsessive popularity of it over any other incarnation, it likely also has the most material to work with, not just by being the first but also being the star series to pick for video games and more recent comic book reboots.  So no Star Saber or Minicons or whatnot.  But yes to the trailer just showing up out of nowhere and Amuro being unable to read where it came from.

I wonder if they'll take the Cybertron games into account?  It's not quite G1, but it's based on it and close enough to it.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 16, 2018, 04:31:13 pm
Well if ScrewAttack does it's usual shtick of "anything relevant is relevant" then G1 Optimus himself had a Matrix in Beast Wars. It was the same Optimus as Gen 1 but they were in a time paradox, blah blah.

Anyway, what kind of weapons does Optimus have? In Mobile Suit Gundam, Amuro has to know what weapons he needs before heading out into battle but in various video games he simply has all of his weapons at once. He's got

Vulcan Cannons
Beam Rifle
Hyper Bazooka x2
Hyper Hammer (giant flail)
Beam Saber
Beam Javelin
and Super Napalm, packs he can throw around and detonate manually.

 
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 16, 2018, 05:25:02 pm
That's also completely dependent on what they want to include, but commonly his Ion Blaster (a powerful handgun commonly remembered as what he uses to straight merc those 'cons in the beginning of the original movie), his Energon Axe (a axe made out of the titular energy that he can just pop out of his hand) and his famous trailer

Now here's where it can get murky

The trailer can: appear and disappear seemingly at will, drive itself with the use of an autonomous roller, fire powerful energy blasts from a turret that can be swiveled and targeted either independently or manually by Optimus, shoot missiles, do repairs on him or other Autobots and, depending on the version, combine with Optimus to make a super version that can fly and use all said weaponry while in flight
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 16, 2018, 06:14:22 pm
I don't think that reaction time is as one-sided as you think. One of the issues in the original Gundam series is that Amuro's budding Newtype powers also came with absurd reaction speed. He actually started to break his Gundam because he could take manual control so quickly that the Gundam's frame was damaged over time. [Most combat in early Gundam is automated to a large degree, with manual override controls for more precise actions]

He had to get an upgrade later on so that the Gundam's frame could keep up with his manual control.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on August 22, 2018, 07:06:00 pm
Optimus Prime


I have the feeling that since Gundam Epyon defeated the Tiger Zord than maybe Optimus would take this one
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 23, 2018, 01:43:56 am
As nice as it is to spot patterns in their formulas, franchise X losing to franchise Y doesn't mean Z gets a free win.  It would make some sense if they sought out a match that let franchise X win against Y the next time, but the one fight between Gundam and Power Rangers of all things was weird enough, and personally not enough connection between the two to warrant the fight.

That said, the Transformers' wild inconsistency and Optimus with his stupidly large gap in experience between the two still makes me believe he'll win.  Granted, I want Amuro to win, and there are things in his favor, like pretty sure the Gundarium composition of the Gundam is gonna be tougher than the Cybertronian metal that Optimus is made out of, given he's susceptible to common human firearms.  On top of that, him being an actual living giant robot, he will feel the pain throughout combat, while the Gundam can be torn apart and still remain functional with no detriment to Amuro, minus the use of whatever limb is lost of course. (Willing to bet in the actual fight it will come to Optimus beheading the Gundam only to be shocked at it still operating just fine.  Sort of a callback to the original Transformers comics with Shockwave beheading Optimus, now that I think of it)

Question for the deeper Gundam fans.  Gundanium and Gundarium are more or less the same thing for different timelines and universes.  Is it acceptable to compare the two to be equally durable?  Since Gundanium is said to be many, many times stronger and lighter than titanium, while Gundarium is just the fictionalized replacement metal they made on the moon since titanium would be a poor metal of choice for a mechanized robot.  Or are they too different for that to be fair?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2018, 03:38:35 am
I'll be your budget Jmorphman for this one. They actually can't be compared. Consider Gundarium a raw metal: very strong but hard to work with. By the time they were at Zeta they were on Gundarium Gamma, the third wave alloy. Now, this is maybe just an inside joke from the staff but in Gundam Wing there's a scene where Quatre is looking at the blueprints for Sandrock and the metal is mentioned as being Gundarium Theta which means that Gundanium is an eighth generation alloy which is probably why those things were nigh-indestructible.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 24, 2018, 05:47:41 pm
Well the question is how deep into the lore you wanna go here. The term itself "Gundarium Alloy" was propaganda for during/after the One Year War. The original name was Lunar Titanium alloy, which wasn't just a replacement or substitute for Titanium, it was actually much, much stronger. Scaled up Machine Gun fire was 100% totally useless while Rocket Launchers would "only" smack the Gundam around. Anything above that was still dangerous to the unit though.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on August 26, 2018, 10:26:08 pm
OMM
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 29, 2018, 07:30:51 pm
Gundam preview is out.
Seems mostly on point but lacking in a few details, but I suppose that's what the full video will be for.


Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on August 30, 2018, 12:56:24 am
I did not actually know that there was just one called “the Gundam.”  I thought all of the robots on that show were just called gundams.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 30, 2018, 01:35:09 am
It's the originator.  Like from one Superhero came other super heroes.  And those not directly named Gundams are just mobile suits.  But granted, how the large majority of others are named "*blank* Gundam" and its been years since the original, just calling it The Gundam does tend to get confusing, so it's just as often referred to with its full name RX-78-2.

Less catchy, for sure, but it helps.

Something occurs to me.  Optimus doesn't have a consistent track record of what the hell his size is.  I'm gonna presume they'll go for the size closest to Gundam's for a more straight-forward fight to animate, but Optimus has ranged from around the size of Andre the Giant to twice Gundam's size.  In the G1 show and original comics, he was about 3 times the height of an average man, so Gundam being big enough to fit that whole complicated cockpit into just its chest for Amuro, just by scaling off that we're looking at Gundam being 1.5 times bigger than Optimus, that about right?  It'd be awesome if the TF wiki had height measurements, but lurking around there I'm not seeing them.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 30, 2018, 03:22:50 am
Well the question is how deep into the lore you wanna go here. The term itself "Gundarium Alloy" was propaganda for during/after the One Year War. The original name was Lunar Titanium alloy, which wasn't just a replacement or substitute for Titanium, it was actually much, much stronger. Scaled up Machine Gun fire was 100% totally useless while Rocket Launchers would "only" smack the Gundam around. Anything above that was still dangerous to the unit though.
Eh, Luna Titanium/Gundarium's imperiousness is frequently overstated. True: it was incredibly durable and could shrug off a Zaku's 120mm machine gun fire, but it starts to falter under repeated volleys in the same location. Additionally, weapons that fired ammo at lower calibers but higher velocities had a much greater effect on Luna Titanium (this would be the 0080/0083 Zaku/Dom machine gun (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/0080/lineart/ms-06fz-machinegun.jpg), not the classic, 1979-ass Zaku machine gun (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/msgundam/lineart/ms-06-machinegun.jpg)) Also, apparently, the machine guns used early on in the original Gundam for the scenes where the Gundam was shrugging off gunfire may have been chambered with a much smaller round (http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=16673) (this would allow for the Zaku to carry much more ammunition for the types of soft targets they were bound to fight; after all, they weren't going to be encountering any enemy mobile suits, since they didn't exist!)

In any event, machine gun fire in general is not a great weapon to use against Luna Titanium sporting mobile suits; even Char—when he was trying to to tag Amuro enough times in the same spots on the Gundam's armor to hopefully cause some major damage—still couldn't manage to pull it off, and that was only Amuro's second time piloting the Gundam!

However, the bazookas used by Zakus and Doms (with the Dom version carrying a much larger explosive round) were in fact pretty dangerous to the Gundam. They obviously couldn't do as much damage as they could to a non-LT armored mobile suit, but they were still able to cause some very visible damage to the Gundam! They'd probably be able to remove a limb or something if anyone managed to hit Amuro in the same place twice, but of course, they already were absurdly lucky to have hit him the first time around, no way are they repeating that stroke of luck!

I did not actually know that there was just one called “the Gundam.”  I thought all of the robots on that show were just called gundams.
>:[

They're all mobile suits! Some of those mobile suits have the name "Gundam"! IT'S VERY SIMPLE >:[ >:[ >:[
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 30, 2018, 04:50:43 am
I want to poke fun on how amusing it is to see someone nerd out about such minute details, but then I realize if this was Master Chief versus Samus I would be doing the same thing.

In Amuro's favor against Optimus, it is unlikely that he would specifically focus his approach to combatting the Gundam to attack a single point repeatedly.  All the more-so that he likely does not know Amuro is in the chestpiece, just going for what would appear to be fatal wounds to a Transformer.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on August 30, 2018, 04:09:31 pm
Look at it this way. It's like someone has a shotgun a rifle and a pistol. They're all guns, but a pistol is not a shotgun. All Mobile Suits in the series are Mobile Suits, but not all Mobile Suits are Gundam. Looking back over the video, the year given 2179 seems a bit off. The actual begging of the Universal Century has always been murky but that exact year feels like it was pulled out of thin air. But it is true that MSG is supposed to be a space opera fiction version of our world as it makes several references to it's history, such as the "middle ages" dictator Hitler.

I'm hoping this doesn't turn out like the Android 18 vs Ms. Marvel video where I agree with the outcome but the details on both sides get horribly overlooked. Android 18 can't absorb energy!
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Lichtbringer on August 30, 2018, 07:00:51 pm
All the more-so that he likely does not know Amuro is in the chestpiece, just going for what would appear to be fatal wounds to a Transformer.

That would also be the chest, because the Spark of the Transformers is somewhere in the Chest if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: MAO11 on August 31, 2018, 07:15:57 pm
original gundam would lose ... even in it's own series the original gundam was outdated and amuro replaced it with a better one.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 31, 2018, 11:41:22 pm
I'm hoping this doesn't turn out like the Android 18 vs Ms. Marvel video where I agree with the outcome but the details on both sides get horribly overlooked. Android 18 can't absorb energy!
Welcome to Death Battle, where the rules are made up and the counterpoints don't matter.  You get used to it, the majority of episodes I disagree with, either the victor or the reasoning why when they get the right side.  To be fair for that episode though, they have called out their own errors on 18's nerfed speed (Not that they used the much higher speeds that other debaters have shown to be much faster than their set-in-stone Dragon Ball stats, but still) and later on that yeah, 18 and 17 specifically were designed NOT to absorb energy, them having that ability in a game because they're standing in for 19 and Gero being absent so they get their skills doesn't count as canon.

That would also be the chest, because the Spark of the Transformers is somewhere in the Chest if I'm not mistaken.
That's actually a good point that I overlooked, but to Optimus once he realizes the chest is much more durable than the rest of his opponent and in his mind he could just cut off the head and win I'd imagine he'd go for something else rather than focus on the chest.

And now there's a preview out for the fight in the next DBC.

It, uh, doesn't look as polished as I'd imagine.  Very janky.  But whatever, music sounds fun.

Well, I guess they're upping Optimus's durability from what I remember, if he can just take shots from Amuro's beam rifle.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on September 05, 2018, 07:15:22 pm
it's on now.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Prime SC on September 05, 2018, 07:59:38 pm
10/10
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 05, 2018, 11:56:37 pm
Eh....no, I can't rate it that high.  The animation was bugging me throughout, things just didn't look right.  And yeah, G1's inconsistency got to me, things I thought were standard feats for Optimus simply no longer applied because they went with the best stuff shown.  Ah well.  Got too hyped for it expecting more, will say it's still a great episode.

It was fun.  I enjoyed each side's breakdown (Less-so them taking shots at Amuro's Newtype powers but not at the ridiculousness of Transformers as a whole?  Be fair, guys) and yeah, with what they used it makes sense.  I wonder where they got their Optimus size from though, the wiki for him didn't specify a single height at it really was all over the place between the show, toys and comics.

Next battle puzzles me.  I know of Nightwing and Daredevil of course, not that I particularly cared for either of them exceedingly so never got deep into their stories, but I never really drew a connection between the two?  Unless it's as basic as vigilantes, then by god, there's simply so many other better options.  But I've also seen people pining for this specific match for a while now, so I don't get what the big deal is between them?

Hey wait a minute.  I just realized, a travesty has been committed.  How did we get through probably the biggest giant robot fight they'll ever have, and not once reference Megas XLR?

For shame.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 06, 2018, 02:00:24 am
It was fun.  I enjoyed each side's breakdown (Less-so them taking shots at Amuro's Newtype powers but not at the ridiculousness of Transformers as a whole?  Be fair, guys)
Yeah, that was dumb as hell; the whole "newtypes exist because when people live in space without gravity, they get psychic powers" is uh, not actually a thing in Gundam. Like, sure, some of the more zealot-y Newtype advocates will sometimes refer to all of mankind emigrating from Earth to space as a way to "free their souls from gravity", but like... it's a metaphor, dudes.

Gundam has always kept the cause and source of Newtypes, and how and when  their powers manifest, intentionally vauge, but there are a few things that can be definitively stated. Notably, though it's frequently stated in various Gundam series that humans will begin to evolve into Newtypes by living in outer space, there's tons of Newtypes in Gundam that were born on Earth! Some, like Amuro, spent about half their lives in space, but there's also a few like Uso from Victory Gundam, who started manifesting Newtype powers having never once been to space!

And besides, everyone in Gundam who lives in space lives in artifical gravity anyways! No one gets psychic powers from living in zero-G because no one lives in zero-G!!!

Next battle puzzles me.  I know of Nightwing and Daredevil of course, not that I particularly cared for either of them exceedingly so never got deep into their stories, but I never really drew a connection between the two?  Unless it's as basic as vigilantes, then by god, there's simply so many other better options.  But I've also seen people pining for this specific match for a while now, so I don't get what the big deal is between them?
They both fight with sticks.

... I mean, they also both are the more acrobatic of their respective company's street level nonpowered superheroes, but, seriously. It's because of the sticks.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 06, 2018, 02:41:30 am
They fight with sticks, are notorious... let's say romantics, were trained in childhood by surly ninja masters and both had famous runs where they fought an uphill battle in a city almost literally ruled by crime

Other than that could not be more different in outlooks, origins, and abilities
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 02:49:52 am
Wow.  That...is a really goddamn boring reason. (The sticks, not the rest Speedpreacher added about being romantics and surviving the city against them)

I mean, yay, live-action next episode, people apparently really wanted this, go for it, woo.

Eh, whatever, can't all be personal winners.  See how it goes, I suppose.  Did Nightwing ever deal with Bane?  Because Daredevil deals with Kingpin, and seeing Batman has issues with Bane, and I'm presuming Nightwing never really got to a point where he was objectionably better than his Batman outside some parallel universe, Daredevil's then probably beaten bigger foes.

...So I proclaim with severely bare knowledge on the two.  I guess Nightwing does get some of Bats gadgets, like his sticks are electrified as I recall.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 12, 2018, 07:38:43 pm
Darkwing

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2018, 12:10:02 am
Eh, whatever, can't all be personal winners.  See how it goes, I suppose.  Did Nightwing ever deal with Bane?  Because Daredevil deals with Kingpin, and seeing Batman has issues with Bane, and I'm presuming Nightwing never really got to a point where he was objectionably better than his Batman outside some parallel universe, Daredevil's then probably beaten bigger foes.
I don't believe so, but it's certainly possible that at some point they fought.

I will point out one little complicating factor in all this: while Daredevil faces off quite frequently with Kingpin, 99% of the time they interact, it's not by fighting; furthermore, when they do fight, Kingpin usually wins! I'm pretty certain that it took like, 25+ years for Daredevil to finally decisively defeat Kingpin in a one-on-one match (over in Bendis's Daredevil #50). Kingpin is a *seriously* powerful dude; after all, he debuted as a Spider-Man villain, who—despite being a non-superpowered human—was a serious threat to a (teenaged and inexperienced) Spider-Man! Kingpin also was a pretty even match for Captain America a few years after his debut!

All of which should not be taken to imply that Daredevil is no match for Nightwing! It's just, Kingpin is a really tough dude, and it's only natural that Daredevil would get his ass beat every time he tried to take a swing at ol' Fisk-y! In fact, I'd say this match up is heavily in Daredevil's favor; Daredevil is generally considered to be one of the finest martial artists at Marvel, and his enhanced senses are a huge asset. Though Nightwing is obviously a seriously talented fighter, he's far from the Bat-family's best fighter.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 12:16:13 am
You make a good point, but as per Death Battle, they're not too strict on if a feat was a one-time thing, as long as it's technecally possible to be replicated.  If Daredevil beat Kingpin one-on-one fairly once, then that's all that matters, at that point Nightwing needs to compete at that level to match.

This is of course kinda unfair for a number of cases.  Not to dredge up this old debate, but it was an annoying issue with their Superman versus Goku fight, in that at one point Superman may have lifted something called infinite in weight though not acting like such, thus he can hit a supposed max of unlimited power as long as he's in the sun, thus for the fight he's always unlimited with zero drain.  Which is simply not how that character works, I don't think that's how it even worked when it was a similar concept with Superman One Million being in that sun for thousands of years until he hit a cap?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 20, 2018, 12:06:06 am
The second worst Ben Affleck superhero.

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Negi Springfield on September 26, 2018, 07:27:43 pm
It's out

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 26, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
I thought it was a decent battle. Good to see Nightwing do his homework when it comes to Daredevil.

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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 26, 2018, 11:27:56 pm
Hm.  S'okay on the outcome.  Not thoroughly invested on either side, but I guess their turnout is fine and they did well with the live-action, good episode.

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But ok then, big match number 100.  They did say it would be big, but when they shot down it being Goku versus Superman taking in feedback from the people who called out mistakes, I just kinda guessed they weren't doing a rematch at all.  Mario and Sonic's fine, though.

...Except what new rules have they really added over the years since the first one?  No self-aware outside help and maybe adding even more power-ups?  Still kinda stacked against Mario for the very reason they came up with prior; Mario lacks practically anything noteworthy by himself without the power-ups, which run out, whilst Sonic has natural super speed.  But I guess they'll divulge what the big changes are in the next DBC or something.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 27, 2018, 12:38:39 am
I am glad they didn't go for a third Goku vs Superman video because there is still no version of that fight where Supes doesn't completely stomp him in every category.  We don't need another wave of fanboys whining about Plus Ultra Instinct or whatever new color of hair dye Goku is using to power up now.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2018, 12:49:00 am
Man, come on, don't bait.  You know that's objectively untrue.  And the reasoning they had behind Superman's powers is simply not in-line with how the character works.  It wouldn't be a hanging issue if it wasn't so inaccurate.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 27, 2018, 01:01:05 am
In my mind, it ultimately boils down to the fundamental structure of the characters.  Goku is a character designed around the concept of reaching his limits and surpassing them.  Superman is a character designed to have no limits whatsoever.  Put the two of them against each other and eventually Goku's going to hit a point where he's reached his maximum, while Superman doesn't have a maximum to reach.  They're both absolutely bonkers in their own right but as far as I see it, it's a matter of infinity vs infinity minus 1.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2018, 01:17:16 am
But you're talking character design in writing the character, not statistics.  Physically, in actuality, Superman is akin to a plant in the sun.  Consistently being renewed, but with a limit that's constantly with a bar pushed just far enough to just barely not reach when the situation's dire, dependent on the story's problem presented, not outside the realm of possibility to be overtaxed and broken.  Not to mention by that very design, by putting them against each other and by forced narrative of the fight, Goku must surpass infinity because that is the current limit put in front of him.....Which at the stupid rate Dragon Ball Super has gone is probably not that far off, seeing he's stronger than time, and then you get the Xenoverse nonsense about sensing through multiple realities and far beyond multi-universe threats but I digress.  Stuff's stupid, anyways.

If you were in charge of this hypothetical actual story being written between D.C. Comics and...I dunno who exactly would call the shots at this point, let's just say Toriyama, then yes, you could write this confrontation in that manner and it would be acceptable.  But as per Death Battle, going by character designs and morals and whatnot should not affect outside how they approach the situation's solution.

And no, this will not be the topic once again.  Not until they actually pick up the match themselves and we see what they go with.  Enough has been said about what is, what could have been and what's been done wrong.

What is being done is Mario versus Sonic again.  Which I'm curious what they intend to make it at all different than the previous match.  Off the top of my head I only got Cappy making any difference, and it's not like Mario's throwing his hat at super sonic speeds.
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Post by: lui on September 27, 2018, 01:20:10 am
The goku vs Superman debate could be the topic again if people want. You're in no position to tell anyone here otherwise, if you don't wanna hear it, too bad. You don't have to chime in at all and you can very easily just ignore the topic altogether.

You took his bait and you reacted in a way that feels overly invested. It was very easy to not react at all. If the old Goku vs Superman topic becomes the main thing for the next couple posts, you only have yourself to blame if you get irked by it.
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Post by: Person Man on September 27, 2018, 01:30:46 am
Just for the record I wasn't trying to bait anyone; Since LJK brought it up I was just chiming in to say I'm relieved they weren't doing it again because I'm sick of hearing about it.

Apologies if that was viewed as inflammatory or anything, it honestly wasn't my intention.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2018, 01:40:23 am
Alright, let me word that better.  No, I'm pretty sure we don't and I don't want to bring up this old topic once again until they actually have something new to discuss about it, there's newer things more relevant and better to talk about.  No offense was taken, it's all good.
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Post by: MAO11 on September 27, 2018, 12:18:31 pm
instead of goku vs. superman again why not squirrel girl vs saitama.
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Post by: Duos.act on September 27, 2018, 03:09:03 pm
There's nothing they can do with DBZ characters that won't just make fans mad.  Even the fights where they win get scrutinized for not taking into account every obscure fan theory on what character's power level scaling is or based on who they theorize would be able to do so and so feat when DB's research is mainly centered around concrete canon feats.

Besides, Superman has had Ultra Instinct since the beginning.  That's what "faster than a speeding bullet" means :D
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Post by: Person Man on October 04, 2018, 01:27:17 am
Some guy who kinda looks like Waluigi

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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 04, 2018, 03:06:10 am
From watching this video, it sounds like the new rules is putting the power ups in play now.

If you remember the original fight (along with the Luigi vs. Tails and Knuckles vs. Donkey Kong fights), power ups were not used since they cancelled each other out. Now with power ups in play, this suddenly becomes a whole new ball game.
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Post by: R565 on October 04, 2018, 03:57:22 am
Oh man, and Mario has a ton of them he can use.... He might be able to win this time.
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Post by: Darkflare on October 04, 2018, 06:28:24 am
The original Mario vs. Sonic had power-ups in play though and the animation had them going through them. The end result was that both series power-ups had ways to cancel each other(ex. Fire Flower is useless against Sonic because Flame shield is a thing. Super Sonic doesn't work against Mario because he has his own set of invincibility granting items) so they settled into what they're capable of at their base form deciding that Sonic wins because Mario has no way to beat Sonic's speed. That's why for Luigi vs Tails and DK vs. Knuckles they focused on the unique things the characters had and ignored power-ups.

That said the original match was 7 years ago and both Mario and Sonic has had plenty of games since then and obviously new tools to play with, so it's possible they're bringing back power-ups because there may be something that isn't countered by the other this time.
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Post by: Duos.act on October 04, 2018, 07:55:40 am
Cappy is probably the biggest one, and since Sonic doesn't wear headgear or know about it it's going to be hard for him to counter it.  I don't believe he has had any significant new things since the last matchup, unless they count Boom Sonic.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 04, 2018, 08:10:49 am
^

They probably will considering they used Boom Knuckles' volcano creating feat, despite it only being used in the cartoon's Intro.
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Post by: Darkflare on October 04, 2018, 08:36:31 am
The thing with Cappy is that he could be considered outside help which is against the rules of DB.

Now, you could make the argument that it wasn't enforced for Future Batman vs Future Spidey, but at the same time, it technically wasn't really outside help for Future Spidey because it was an AI and could be seen more like just another tool and Future Batman didn't REALLY need Original Batman for this matchup as he could have figured it out on his own.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 05, 2018, 12:43:15 am
Cappy also just became part of Mario's typical every-day attire.  Though it's implied at the end of Odyssey that they part ways and Cappy goes back to his usual ghostly self and I guess Mario's just gonna have to go find a hatter, without a new main title it's viable to just infer that Mario's default hat and Cappy are one and the same until proven otherwise.

The thing I don't recall in Mario games that I likewise don't recall Sonic having a counter to is time manipulation.  Sonic has trouble with Shadow doing it with Chaos Control, and I believe when Metal Sonic does it as well he doesn't have a direct counter other than "Try to not get hit".  A combination of those two new additions to Mario do help quite a bit.

Of course, Cappy could also just be there to prolong Mario's life, there were no defining rules on what can and can not be possessed by Cappy in Odyssey, just so long as it was solid.  I mean, you became a large chunk of roasted meat for one segment.  In fact, I wonder if he can just drop the hat onto the ground and possess the planet?  I don't think there were any size limitations placed.
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Post by: Person Man on October 11, 2018, 12:56:29 am
Sargnarg the Hardge Harg

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Post by: Darkflare on October 11, 2018, 01:37:08 am
I don't think there were any size limitations placed.
T-Rex has a time limit. When it runs out, Cappy says he couldn't maintain it captured any longer because it was too big.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 11, 2018, 01:43:09 am
Hm.  Interesting.  While the Mario preview gave actual hard data, Sonic's only covered basics until it actually was starting to go into his limits.  It feels like they're setting it up to prepare for Sonic's loss?  Which I suppose is what we're meant to expect from this, but still.  I'm not a fan of using Mario sports games for feats, similar to fighting game mini-games, it rarely lines up for all contestants logically for what they should be capable because they're just that, mini-games made for fun over sense, but if they're going to insist on using that Amy thing for quantifying their speed (Despite Amy's, well, slow speed in the games, just matching others that're not Sonic.  Plus Silver being rather slow) then it's whatever I suppose.

I also see they did not use the appropriate title "Sonic Forces his way back into Death Battle", so they get the required 0/10 for this video.

I don't think there were any size limitations placed.
T-Rex has a time limit. When it runs out, Cappy says he couldn't maintain it captured any longer because it was too big.
Ah.  Guess I'd forgotten about that, but you are correct.  Well, I suppose size limitations won't be a problem here anyways, Sonic's not turning huge.  That falls upon the "fans" to envision.
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Post by: D.R.B on October 13, 2018, 11:53:53 pm
OMM
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Post by: Negi Springfield on October 17, 2018, 09:43:22 pm
It's out.


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Post by: Long John Killer on October 17, 2018, 11:43:57 pm
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 18, 2018, 06:07:26 am
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on October 19, 2018, 07:50:06 pm
I’m glad to see who I was rooting for won. I usually have a love-hate relationship with this show, because sometimes the discrepancies in matchups are too obvious or they come up with some biased mumbo-jumbo that allows a weaker character to win (looking at you, Thor vs Wonder Woman). That being said, Archie Sonic vs Paper Mario is still a cooler matchup.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2018, 01:02:28 am
Do we have to keep the next match in spoilers still, or has it been enough time?

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Post by: Long John Killer on October 21, 2018, 01:27:49 am
It was more of a curtsy for this being the big 100th episode that I figured people wouldn't want anything spoiled, you don't have to keep it hidden who the next set of fighters are.

I'm still on Ultron's side, but playing devil's advocate, what standout weaknesses does he really have?  A hive mind like his is susceptible to your usual "take off the head, the body will die" mentality, but with Ultron that means compromising his actual coding as well, not, like, literally just taking off his head, so just harming the original isn't enough.  I don't believe Sigma has that power within him anyways, so what else does Ultron got against him?  Surely his adamantium body doesn't play by straight DBZ rules, if you don't have a high enough power level you can't do jack squat to him?  I seem to recall that being a problem with Wolverine, that it was a poor idea to have a whole body composed only of adamantium as it would not be able to move, so if this is what his entire exoskeleton is supposedly comprised of he has to have weak spots somewhere.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2018, 01:49:23 am
Surely his adamantium body doesn't play by straight DBZ rules, if you don't have a high enough power level you can't do jack squat to him?  I seem to recall that being a problem with Wolverine, that it was a poor idea to have a whole body composed only of adamantium as it would not be able to move, so if this is what his entire exoskeleton is supposedly comprised of he has to have weak spots somewhere.
They've got a very weird explanation for that: the adamantium that comprises Ultron's outer shell is all a single, solid piece of metal, with no joints, no gaps in the armor, nor any weak points at all. He's essentially a statue cast out of adamantium (though with non-adamantium internals). So how does he move? This is where things get bonkers: he manipulates the molecules of his adamantium to reshape it on the fly, using a "molecular rearranger" that is keyed to the specific adamantium signature used in his body (which means that his enemies can't just use a molecular rearranger of their own to remove that armor, they'd need to key into that same signature). It's some very wacky, absolutely nuts comic book science, but that's what they came up with!

That doesn't mean his internals are impervious to damage while his armor is intact, though: it is possible to damage his insides while still not doing much or any damage to his outsides, but the amount of power needed to do that is still pretty immense.

And of course, if his internals do get exposed in some way, he can be taken out much more readily. In fact, that was how Daredevil (with assists from Karnak and Gorgon of the Inhumans) was able to beat him once. Though that was very much a special case: it was an incarnation of Ultron that had been combined with every previous iteration into one mind and body, and was completely bug fuck nuts even for Ultron, to the point where it was tearing its own head off and ripping out its own wires and internals. So much so that it was less "Daredevil winning" and more of a "Daredevil helps Ultron commit suicide by knocking his head off with a big stick, after Ultron left his head hanging by a (non-adamantium) thread". It's a great fucking story, by the way!

But again, the only reason those internals got exposed was because Ultron himself was damaging his own armor, reshaping it as he ripped his guts out. It's not something anyone could do, unless they were a reality warper or something similar.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 21, 2018, 01:59:38 am
Hm.  I don't know about reality warping, but Sigma can put Ultron into a virtual reality of his own design where he controls what happens.  Perhaps similar enough to deal with getting by Ultron's superior...everything, but that only accounts for the one body, so still not enough.

Also Death Battle history has shown they don't put much faith in reality warping within alternate dimensions anyways.  Looking at you, Ramona.

That is an interesting fact about how he moves though.  That does sound like something Sigma would be able to exploit, essentially his body is restricted by radio waves that an average human could not deal with intercepting, but a machine like Sigma could.  That would require copying Ultron's tech on how he alters his body, but I think Sigma can do that?  The Reploids were based on X, who was based on Mega Man and kept his power copying device.  All Sigma then would need do is to kill one of the lesser Ultron bodies and he'll gain the molecular signature and tech needed to mess with him.  Ultron's hive mind being less Zerg or Borg and more a strict singular consciousness across them all could very much backfire in that case.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2018, 03:27:42 am
That is an interesting fact about how he moves though.  That does sound like something Sigma would be able to exploit, essentially his body is restricted by radio waves that an average human could not deal with intercepting, but a machine like Sigma could.
It's not really radio waves, or anything in the realm of real world physics: it's crazy comic book science that more or less is altering reality on a relatively small scale, for one particular material. It's so advanced that I'm not sure Sigma would be able to understand it, much less replicate the technology quickly enough to use as a countermeasure against Ultron. And all that's presuming he'd even be able to get his hands on it!

All Sigma then would need do is to kill one of the lesser Ultron bodies and he'll gain the molecular signature and tech needed to mess with him.  Ultron's hive mind being less Zerg or Borg and more a strict singular consciousness across them all could very much backfire in that case.
Only the central body has the solid adamantium body and molecular rearranger; if Ultron had the resources, he'd make every drone an exact copy of his primary body (presumably with different adamantium signatures, though), but he didn't, and had to settle with downgraded ones. The point of the solid armor and molecular doodad is to give Ultron an essentially indestructible body with no weak points: the drones just have regular armor plates and joints, because there's no point in wasting resources to make the much more easily destroyed drones slightly more durable. So Sigma wouldn't be able to get his hands on that tech by taking down a random drone.

I guess it's theoretically possible for Sigma to use a downed Ultron drone to hack into the Ultron conciousness and extract the relevant data on the molecular tech, but if he's able to overpower all of Ultron's defenses like that, and gain access to all his systems and shit, surely he could just turn off Ultron's whole conciousness? And then that invites the debate of who could hack into who, which doesn't seem like an answerable (or interesting) question.
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on October 21, 2018, 12:07:16 pm
We are also forgetting one small detail about Sigma: Sigma isn't just the outer shell robot that X fights against all the time.

Sigma is also the virus. And remember how Sigma made X purposely kill Sigma just to spread the Sigma Virus? What if Sigma, in a last ditch effort, makes Ultron kill Sigma, just to spread the Sigma Virus on Ultron and turning him into a Maverick. That way, at least it would be a draw, because Sigma is destroyed, but Sigma's "essence", the Sigma Virus, is inside Ultron, manipulating him to Sigma's advantage and essentially turning him into one of his henchmen, if not even a new Sigma body.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 22, 2018, 12:49:39 am
Sigma is also the virus. And remember how Sigma made X purposely kill Sigma just to spread the Sigma Virus? What if Sigma, in a last ditch effort, makes Ultron kill Sigma, just to spread the Sigma Virus on Ultron and turning him into a Maverick. That way, at least it would be a draw, because Sigma is destroyed, but Sigma's "essence", the Sigma Virus, is inside Ultron, manipulating him to Sigma's advantage and essentially turning him into one of his henchmen, if not even a new Sigma body.
Ultron is a constantly evolving, super-advanced AI that has assimilated the most advanced tech and knowledge from not only the Marvel universe's Earth (whose tech is in many respects superior to Mega Man's), but also a shit ton of extremely advanced alien civilizations. I really can't imagine the Sigma virus being able to overcome the defenses of almost any of the various incarnations of Ultron. Maybe the very earliest ones, shortly after his creation?

But ultimately this comes back to what I said earlier:
I guess it's theoretically possible for Sigma to use a downed Ultron drone to hack into the Ultron conciousness and extract the relevant data on the molecular tech, but if he's able to overpower all of Ultron's defenses like that, and gain access to all his systems and shit, surely he could just turn off Ultron's whole conciousness? And then that invites the debate of who could hack into who, which doesn't seem like an answerable (or interesting) question.
this discussion isn't really a path that leads anywhere; regular old "who would win in a fight" conversations, there's usually something that can be compared sensibly. And the relative cyber security strengths of two fictional megalomaniacal robots ain't one of them.
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Post by: Duos.act on October 22, 2018, 01:10:56 am
Keep in mind that one of the rules is that neither combatant is informed about their opponent before the fight begins, so Ultron won't have any awareness of Sigma's existence, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by: Person Man on October 24, 2018, 11:31:15 pm
Ultraman

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Post by: MAO11 on October 27, 2018, 08:08:18 am
i think it'll how good ultron's defense is against sigma's virus.

but then again ultron is basically undying so ultron will win this match.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 29, 2018, 12:22:13 am
Hey, something not Death Battle related, just a good sprite animation worth sharing.



Man, been a while since this guy's posted.  This is how you do DBZ sprite fights right.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on October 29, 2018, 11:04:46 pm
Well this was unexpected.



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Post by: Person Man on October 31, 2018, 10:47:09 pm
Alpha

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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 01, 2018, 01:12:24 pm
Another one
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Post by: Negi Springfield on November 07, 2018, 08:16:12 pm
It's out

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Post by: Darkflare on November 07, 2018, 10:51:34 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 07, 2018, 11:33:55 pm
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Post by: Person Man on November 08, 2018, 12:49:25 am
Man, what was that awful buttrock song they were playing during the fight?

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Post by: Prime SC on November 08, 2018, 12:51:39 am
These fights are so lopsided it's irritating to watch and knowing who's gonna win
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 08, 2018, 01:31:44 am
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Post by: Duos.act on November 08, 2018, 01:37:38 am
Man, what was that awful buttrock song they were playing during the fight?

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 08, 2018, 01:48:04 am
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Post by: Person Man on November 08, 2018, 02:20:58 am

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 08, 2018, 02:29:16 am
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Post by: Negi Springfield on November 10, 2018, 03:56:20 am

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Would you have liked it if in a fight between Batman and Spider-Man, Spider-Man suddenly used Carnage powers without it being mentioned previously? They did something similar with Android 18. They gave her both forms of Energy Absorption. Neither of which she had. In and of itself that wouldn't have been an issue, but it was the linchpin for how she won the fight in the video. Do I still think she would have won without it? Yes. I do. But i'm not happy about if it they fudge details. I don't see how that's an unfair thing to ask for.


Similar thing with Kenshiro vs Jotaro. In Kenshiro's universe, people without pressure point training can still mitigate the effects by having high enough resistance or "battle aura". I personally think the fact Jotaro's battle spirit was physically manifested into a being would be a good enough qualifier, but that wasn't taken into account. (unlike the OMM video which did exactly that)
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 10, 2018, 04:27:52 am
...Waitwut?  That's...two very different things, the stand isn't Jotaro's body, the stand would have such resistances but all that aura is projected off onto the stand, it isn't on Jotaro helping him.  And mitigate and prevent are two very drastic effects.  Even if Kenshiro can't kill him in the traditional means he goes by exploding people by pressure points, he still can just touch the guy and it'd have enough muscle behind it to turn Jotaro into gibs.

I mean, yeah, I'm behind you on your main point, but I don't get precisely what that episode got wrong?  But your point stands even to our latest episode here, where they call attention to that Ultron is weak against many sorts of viruses that attack his A.I. directly, only to afterwords add an addendum that he's weak against viruses specifically built to kill him.
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Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2018, 09:36:50 pm

Would you have liked it if in a fight between Batman and Spider-Man, Spider-Man suddenly used Carnage powers without it being mentioned previously? They did something similar with Android 18. They gave her both forms of Energy Absorption. Neither of which she had. In and of itself that wouldn't have been an issue, but it was the linchpin for how she won the fight in the video. Do I still think she would have won without it? Yes. I do. But i'm not happy about if it they fudge details. I don't see how that's an unfair thing to ask for.
The energy absorption thing is fair game, I'll admit (although I could have sworn it was mentioned at some point that Gero built that feature into all of his androids and not just 19, but I could be wrong).  But the biggest complaints I saw around that time were more to the tune of "she's faster than that" or "she's stronger than you said she was."  A lot of it boiled down to "You said this character was really cool, but they're actually really really cool!  Clearly you hate this character are are biased against the entire series!"

My overall point is I'm just sick in general of Dragon Ball fanboys constantly demanding validation that Dragon Ball is the greatest thing that has ever existed.

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Similar thing with Kenshiro vs Jotaro. In Kenshiro's universe, people without pressure point training can still mitigate the effects by having high enough resistance or "battle aura". I personally think the fact Jotaro's battle spirit was physically manifested into a being would be a good enough qualifier, but that wasn't taken into account. (unlike the OMM video which did exactly that)
The thing about that is that stands don't technically exist.  They're not physical forms, they're closer to visual representation of telekinetic abilities.    Aside from Star Platinum, Jotaro's just a street thug; he doesn't have the kind of physical training Kenshiro does.
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Post by: Duos.act on November 10, 2018, 10:04:26 pm
It's very simple.  If the character you like wins, it's one of the best episodes yet.  If the character you like loses, then they got it wrong/were being biased/don't understand the character/cherry picked/are dumb. 
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Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2018, 10:35:52 pm
Ah yes, of course.  Silly of me to forget that.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 11, 2018, 12:54:21 am
DBZ in particular tends to generate so much uproar in these types of things because so much of the story is about who is stronger than who, about the various characters training and trying to unlock an ever-heigtening array of powerups, and about who can beat who in a fight. It's certainly not the only piece of fiction like that, but it's unique in how much time and attention those aspects are given.

I mean, yeah, I'm behind you on your main point, but I don't get precisely what that episode got wrong?  But your point stands even to our latest episode here, where they call attention to that Ultron is weak against many sorts of viruses that attack his A.I. directly, only to afterwords add an addendum that he's weak against viruses specifically built to kill him.
I think that one was just a product of trying to preserve the suspense; they set up a seemingly glaring weakness of Ultron that Sigma is uniquely positioned to take advantage of, but then once the fight was over they clarified that said weakness wasn't much of a weakness after all. I can imagine why, because the decks were otherwise stacked heavily in Ultron's favor, and bringing up a little known aspect of Ultron while eliding all of the details helped to make the outcome a bit less certain. It was pretty standard bait-and-switch: sure, Ultron has been taken down by viruses before... specifically once, and that virus was specifically inserted and hidden into his programming at the moment he was being created... and said virus only existed because Wolverine and friends time-travelled from a post-apocalyptic future ravaged by Ultron, as a last-ditch effort to stop Ultron from destroying the world in the future.

And that whole strategy, time travel and all, only was able to work once: the way it all worked is that they essentially got Pym to hide a secret "stop Ultron" button in Ultron's programming, that they then hypnotized Pym into forgetting, so that neither Ultron nor Pym would realize existed until the vital moment in the future when they could press that magic button to stop Ultron from causing the apocalypse. And then of course afterwards Pym and Ultron would realize/remember what happened, and that strategy would no longer be able to work again.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on November 14, 2018, 08:49:20 pm
Turtle Man preview

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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 15, 2018, 07:55:43 am
I wish I could find more fights using the Dengeki Bunko sprites



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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 19, 2018, 01:03:49 pm
New OMM
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Post by: Person Man on November 22, 2018, 03:04:48 am
Jerry

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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 22, 2018, 08:01:18 am
New Limit Break Showdown
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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 24, 2018, 09:59:01 pm
New DBX


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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 24, 2018, 10:24:03 pm
What a completely surprising outcome that the baked in ad before surely did not give away
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Post by: Darkflare on November 25, 2018, 04:14:43 am
I know DBX is the "no research, only cool fights" one but knowing that A) BBverse severely outclasses RWBYverse(Crosstag even references this!) and B) Even disregarding A, Ragna's abilities perfectly counter Ruby's, makes it REEEEEEEAAALLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY hard to believe any other outcome.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on November 28, 2018, 08:09:46 pm
It's out.

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Post by: Darkflare on November 28, 2018, 11:08:09 pm
Of course the old man wins

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 28, 2018, 11:52:59 pm
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Post by: MAO11 on November 29, 2018, 12:32:22 pm
it's pretty good , i really love how they handled this one.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 30, 2018, 02:02:32 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 30, 2018, 04:43:13 am
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 30, 2018, 02:46:40 pm
Don’t know if we should keep using spoilers for this.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 02, 2018, 11:35:57 pm
New Limit Break Showdown
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 05, 2018, 10:11:50 pm

The preview for Thanos is out.

Hm.  So in a roundabout way, Marvel made the Eternals a subspecies of humans.  Interesting.  Probably knew that at some point, but forgot over the years.  Reminds me of Halo and their Forerunners.  Anyways, nothing here doing much to change my mind, but it's a small preview, saving the big stuff for the full fight.
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Post by: rgveda99 on December 07, 2018, 02:43:24 am
Skip immediately to 8 minutes and 30 seconds. You won't be disappointed.  :sugoi:

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Post by: Long John Killer on December 09, 2018, 03:33:25 am
...Well, no, I can't say I agree with you on that statement.  That was very amateurish.  I mean, they use the old Sailor Moon English dub as their source.  But sure, I'll take a swing.

That was rather hard to watch, but really, it's all about how you intentionally set it up.  When you write Batman to have knowledge of the opponent and given prep time to prepare, of course he can win against mostly anyone, it's how the character works.  And conversely, if they didn't want to handicap his opponent like that, as useless as Tuxedo Mask is in his universe, he still scales to demons that the Scouts fight that bragged about being world conquerors and/or destroyers.  Which rarely actually gets to happen, because that's how the series works, they hype up an opponent, have long drawn-out talks then one-shot the opponent or do nothing to them only to return stronger and then one-shot them.  But you still have proof evidence of him lasting through things like Pharaoh 90's energy killing everything on Earth effortlessly. (Though he's, like, a sentient universe or something akin and they dealt with him with probably the most cheap way you could with Sailor Saturn, so he's a weird opponent overall to merit skills based off of)

What a bizarre match-up, though.  In a straight Death Battle, I guess it would be funny to see how one-sided it should look for Batman on paper, then see just how easy it is for Mamoru to win, but that's just regular tonal dissonance between super-buff western superheros compared to anime pretty boys.  But this was just a win hand-made for Batman.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on December 09, 2018, 05:47:39 am
Well, I'll admit the intro of the battle had a pretty cool the Animated series vibe, then the animation seemed basic.

But then again, it's not that cringe-worthy Sans vs Freddy Fazbear fight.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 12, 2018, 12:18:57 am
Oh hey, surprise, I guess?


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Post by: Person Man on December 12, 2018, 10:30:30 pm
Open up my eager eyes, ‘cause I’m Mr. Darkseid

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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 15, 2018, 10:49:17 pm
New OMM


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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 16, 2018, 01:16:19 pm
I dunno why they always do these styles clashes.. i mean there are cvs sprites for all 4 of them. 
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 19, 2018, 07:36:07 pm
Awww snap  :P


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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on December 19, 2018, 09:20:09 pm
Pretty obvious.
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Post by: D.R.B on December 19, 2018, 09:53:49 pm
My main complain:
Why did they give Thanos the IG from the start of the fight? its like people treat it as if it is part of his body and now some sort of equipment that any character can use.

This also reminds me of the fact that they used the infinity stones in MvCI in story mode, I did point out that the IG could't work outside of the Marvel universe , but no one got what i meant.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 19, 2018, 10:22:46 pm
It's his most famous accessory and they needed
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 20, 2018, 12:12:14 am
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Post by: R565 on December 20, 2018, 06:41:16 pm
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Post by: D.R.B on December 20, 2018, 10:20:53 pm
so far Marvel Vs DC themed Death Battle :

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currently the only battle that I wish to see  is Galactus vs Anti Monitor, Would be fitting for their last battle for next season

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Post by: Knuckles8864 on December 21, 2018, 07:51:27 am
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Welp, this season's over. Anyone have favorite DB's? For me they'd have to be:

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Post by: D.R.B on December 22, 2018, 10:00:46 pm
this is too good
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Post by: Prime SC on December 22, 2018, 11:35:22 pm
Tj.Combo vs Balrog would probably be my favorite
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Post by: MAO11 on December 25, 2018, 03:21:58 am
My main complain:
Why did they give Thanos the IG from the start of the fight? its like people treat it as if it is part of his body and now some sort of equipment that any character can use.

This also reminds me of the fact that they used the infinity stones in MvCI in story mode, I did point out that the IG could't work outside of the Marvel universe , but no one got what i meant.

i agree and people seem to forget that he possessed the cosmic cube once. why not use it?
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 25, 2018, 03:47:54 am
Combatants are given items closely associated with them if not directly a part of them.  The Gauntlet was designed, created and mainly used by Thanos.  The Cube was not and only loosely associated with him by him using it once over its existence.

It's like when having Link in a Death Battle, the difference between giving him the Triforce piece of Courage or the whole thing put together.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 25, 2018, 05:22:37 am
Also the cube and the gauntlet are redundant

Anything the cube can do is covered by the reality gem on a macro scale
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Post by: MAO11 on December 25, 2018, 04:49:41 pm
isn't the cube is more powerful than the stones combined. thanos managed to get things done with the cube , he even lost interest cause the cube made it too easy for him. he even killed cosmic beings with the cube something even the stones can't do.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 25, 2018, 07:51:59 pm
Cosmic Cube warps reality to your whim and that's it

It's very good at that job

They also have a tendency to turn into people and that's something the gems couldn't do

But it was made in a lab by guys in beekeeper outfits

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Post by: rgveda99 on December 28, 2018, 05:13:50 am
They'll probably make a part 2 or even 3 if this gets enough views or fan rage.

Thanos had access to the 'Heart Of The Universe' even the Living Tribunal couldn't stop him if I recall correctly.

Also what kind of god is Darkseid? Is he a cosmic being? Or a deity? I always assumed Anti-Monitor was the Eternity of his dimension just like Dormamu.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 28, 2018, 05:21:05 am
I sincerely doubt this'll warrant a second go.  Addendums to address those additional relics Thanos has interacted with but doesn't keep, but it's not like Goku vs Superman with shoddy info on one side and questionable lines of reasoning on the other.  And I haven't seen much actual negative backlash to it, there are other episodes with a good deal of distain for being inaccurate on the content they covered that they simply moved on from and don't look back at.  Tifa vs Yang is always the main stand-out to me in that regard, when even the RWBY guys were calling out how out of line it was, but they never redid that.  Goku vs Superman getting a sequel is an outlier in of itself and it didn't really correct anything anyways, wouldn't expect any difference from a Thanos vs Darkseid 2.

Arguably, for the best, else they'd never get to a new actual episode because there's always something new to consider "But what if...?" when it comes to these.
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Post by: D.R.B on January 19, 2019, 09:27:47 pm
DB next month
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Post by: R565 on January 19, 2019, 10:01:19 pm
To save time, it's Aquaman Vs. Namor, in which I find pretty interesting.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 19, 2019, 10:50:36 pm
Well, that's understandable but disappointing.  They were so adamant in repeating in Death Battle Cast episodes how much they would love to do an episode on Aquaman vs Yamcha, fanbase underdogs who seemingly are incredibly weak in comparison to their universe's big hitters but are much, much more powerful than initially expected.  Instead it's just another Marvel vs D.C., scrapping at the barrel edition.  And would have been even more interesting if the previous teaser was for a Splatoon character like I previously thought, see how they apply that game's mechanics to a Death Battle.

Eh.  Whatever, people get to learn about Namor now, I guess.
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Post by: Darkflare on January 19, 2019, 11:00:47 pm
All right you comic book geeks, Is Thanos vs. Darkseid Aquaman vs Namor a curbstomp to one side or do we finally get a somewhat evenly matched battle this time?
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Post by: Person Man on January 19, 2019, 11:13:49 pm
If classic comics are being counted as canon than Namor has it in the bag, since he's always been a badass, whereas classic Aquaman  would literally die from being too dry. (http://comicsalliance.com/bizarro-back-issues-aquaman-one-hour-to-doom-1961/)

Just from a perception standpoint, Namor has always been regarded as a powerhouse, and is frequently placed up there with the best and brightest of Marvel 616.  Aquaman, on the other hand spent a LONG time being the doof from Super Friends who could talk to fish before recent years saw writers spend a LOT of effort trying to convince readers that Aquaman wasn't as doofy as he actually is.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2019, 01:14:02 am
I don't know a ton about Aquaman because I find him dreadfully boring (and none of the many, many attempts DC has made at trying to make him interesting/popular have worked on me), but from I can recall, his power set has been steadily amped up more and more since the days of the Super Friends; for instance, he's got some very impressive super strength (not like, Superman or Wonder Woman level, but nearabouts).

Namor, meanwhile, generally matches up in the Thing's neighborhood of super strength—which is certainly a very high weight class, one that is among the strongest of the non-cosmic Marvel characters—but is nonetheless not on the same level a Hulk or a Thor. One thing to note, however, is that Namor's strength very frequently flucates, sometimes he's portrayed as being a lot weaker, and other times he's shown as being stronger. This power disparity has actually been made explicit in comics: the explanation they came up with (which is pretty dumb IMO) is that his strength level depends on how... wet or dry he is. Yeah. So, if he's in water, he's at the absolute peak of his strength potential, but if he's on land and it's been a long time since he got hydrated, he starts to taper off. Comics are weird!
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Post by: Lichtbringer on January 21, 2019, 02:34:27 am
They have similar Powers and weaknesses and even have similar weapons, Namor has some mental Problems and is realy arrogant if I remeber it right that is something that Aquaman could exploit, on the other hand Namor can fly and his superstrength fluctuates so much that it is hard to say how strong he realy is.

Googled a little bit and found out that Aquamen has two Tridents, one of Neptune and one of Poseidon, and the Trident of Poseidon is the more Powerfull one, would be interessting to see if he will use one of them and if Namor will use his own Trident.
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Post by: Person Man on January 24, 2019, 12:39:26 am
Seaman

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Post by: D.R.B on January 24, 2019, 12:57:36 am

Broly VS Jiren
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Post by: Lichtbringer on January 30, 2019, 10:05:45 pm
Namor Trailer:

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Post by: R565 on February 06, 2019, 07:34:26 pm
DB's up.

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Post by: Person Man on February 07, 2019, 05:09:22 am
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Post by: R565 on February 07, 2019, 05:41:16 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 07, 2019, 05:53:34 am
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Post by: Darkflare on February 07, 2019, 08:33:41 am
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Post by: Foobs on February 07, 2019, 07:39:29 pm
Are the spoilers seriously necessary for incoming fights? they make these conversations look clunky.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on February 10, 2019, 05:39:35 pm
My Theorie on the Megaman Death Battle is, that it is some kind of Simulation, if it's not a Simulation then Megaman.Exe is in a real disadvantage even with a copybot body if I'm not mistaken, because they are far more limited then Real Robot Masters Like Megaman and X.

I guess that X or the original Megaman will win this, because they have a more versatile arsenal with all the Robot Master weapons and there ability to copy the weapon systems of there enemys, an ability that all the other versions of Megaman don't have as far as I know.

Even if the other Megaman are able to down X or the Original Megaman, they can't copy there weapons, but X for example could load the Weapondata of his defeated predecessor into his systems, and who knows how powerfull some of the classic weapons could become in the hands of X, or what kind of powerboost the original Megaman could get if he was able to copy the Data of X.

The only thing is, I'm realy unsure about the Power of Star Force Megaman, I know almost nothing about him Except that he is able to exist in the normal world because of the special way he is created.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 10, 2019, 09:36:54 pm
You know, it just occurred to me that whoever gets the first kill wins.  The copy ability thing they got?  They'll just get all the abilities of the robot masters that dead Mega Man beat, near doubling their power.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on February 10, 2019, 11:10:08 pm
You know, it just occurred to me that whoever gets the first kill wins.  The copy ability thing they got?  They'll just get all the abilities of the robot masters that dead Mega Man beat, near doubling their power.

Afaik only the Original Megaman and X have the copy ablility, all other versions of Megaman in this Battle are dependent on outside help to get weapon changes or upgrades.
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Post by: Person Man on February 14, 2019, 12:30:28 am
Super fighting robot!



:EDIT:  And Mega Man 10

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Post by: -Greed- on February 27, 2019, 07:55:26 pm


I am pleased with this outcome.
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Post by: R565 on February 27, 2019, 09:32:07 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 27, 2019, 10:42:45 pm
Some...odd decisions were made.

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And sorry, the animation had a lot going on, but none of it was really impactful.  Some of them even were killed off to no fanfare or even acknowledgement to them being gone outside they simply were not in the scene any more.  And the last two kills were just shrugged off.

Next battle is based solely on some wordplay with their names and neither are particularly interesting characters.  Ah well.  The last Death Battle Cast confirmed this next one's in 3D, but I suppose given one of the two characters that was to be expected.

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Post by: Seadragon77 on February 27, 2019, 11:58:12 pm
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As for the next fight, the wordplay is cute... but it is a battle of opposites. Black Widow is strong at close range while Widowmaker is an excellent sniper. I'm pretty sure that Black Widow has been trained to use a sniper rifle during her training, but is she better then Widowmaker at being a sniper? That's a question that should be asked here.
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Post by: Person Man on February 28, 2019, 12:55:28 am
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The next fight's gonna be another curb stomp for the same reason as a lot of other fights:  Material.  There is SOOOOOOO much more reference material for Black Widow than there is for Widowmaker, so the odds that they'll be able to find examples of her overcoming comparable abilities and feats is way higher.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 28, 2019, 01:04:07 am
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You know, Widowmaker wouldn't have this issue of missing content to cover if they just freaking made that single-player campaign they talked about, what, two years ago now?  To cover the actual canon since the multiplayer isn't intended to be used at all other than the background locals being actual places that did not contain the battles you're currently involved in?  It's like BioShock 2 or Halo 5, but without the meat of the actual story to back up this side-story they have going on in multiplayer.

So it's just BioShock 2, then, actually.
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Post by: Person Man on February 28, 2019, 01:46:43 am
Widowmaker could have her own fully-fledged single-player only spinoff game and it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to Black Widow.  She's been kicking around comics, movies, cartoons, video games, and more for more than 50 years.  There's just so much more to work with that there's no way Amelie has anything in her kit that Natasha hasn't beaten 50 times over.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 28, 2019, 01:54:18 am
Ok, wouldn't be AS one-sided in the lore departments.  There would be a consistent character to play as and get to know at least, instead of everything in-game being soft-canon and free to dispose of at an update's notice.

Overwatch is just such a disappointment to me since everything following its first showing, sorry.  I was hoping for some Halo CE-3 meets Pixar game with the story depth of Diablo/StarCraft/Warcraft to come out of it, not a Team Fortress clone.
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Post by: Darkflare on March 01, 2019, 08:04:03 am
How about

A. Not giving us such obvious one sided match ups
B. Not pairing Comic book characters with anything but other comic book characters seeing as they usually tend to have the advantage over characters from other media just by the sheer amount of material that can be gathered to point out something that gives them the win


I don't even need to read comics to know that Black Widow killing Widowmaker is just another day on the job for BW.



Also lol expecting deep lore from a Multiplayer shooter.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 01, 2019, 01:32:11 pm
Well yeah, NOW, duh, it's pointless to expect anything substantial out of Overwatch, but at the time it was marketed as this game about an orange lady superhero with Portal powers who is not copying Chell at all and her gorilla cop partner stopping crimes from supervillains and assassins, with zero emphasis on multiplayer.  It looked like it had potential.
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Post by: Person Man on March 01, 2019, 01:39:14 pm
Not to derail the thread or anything, but Overwatch was always exclusively advertised as a team-based FPS.  They fleshed out the lore with animated shorts, but at no point did they ever once state or even imply that it'd be a single-player, character story driven game or some kind of Pixar movie.  It kinda sounds like you came up with your own incorrect assumptions and chose to blame the game for not meeting them.
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Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2019, 01:57:21 pm
i don't play overwatch all i know is that their all gay and have hot asses.
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Post by: Person Man on March 07, 2019, 12:47:31 am
Brown Recluse

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Post by: Jmorphman on March 08, 2019, 04:50:17 am
Widowmaker could have her own fully-fledged single-player only spinoff game and it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to Black Widow.  She's been kicking around comics, movies, cartoons, video games, and more for more than 50 years.  There's just so much more to work with that there's no way Amelie has anything in her kit that Natasha hasn't beaten 50 times over.
A lot of superheroes have existed for 50+ years, but Black Widow is one of the few (like Captain America, Wolverine, Namor, etc.) who have actually been around that long in-universe as well: she was born in the late 1920s (she was given Russia's version of the Super-Soldier Serum when she was being trained, which accounts for her greatly extended lifespan and youth, but did not otherwise grant her any increased abilities like the American version did on Steve Rogers) and started working as a spy and assassin as a young child. She has an insane amount of experience that spans almost the entirety of the 20th century, with several lifetimes of experience, on top of the advantage of having so much material and feats to draw from!
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Post by: Person Man on March 13, 2019, 08:08:03 pm
Wimblebimble

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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 20, 2019, 06:32:00 pm
Here it is


Spoiler: Next tiiiime on Death Battle (click to see content)
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 20, 2019, 09:54:22 pm
Eh to both.  Though to be honest, a little more interesting in how the next one will play out.

Spoiler: And on that next fight (click to see content)

As for this fight, is there an Overwatch Lite or something?  Widowmaker's model was unusually not as high-quality as the actual game's model typically is, and I know in DBC they were happy to promote they've moved from animating in whatever prior to Unreal Engine.  Should allow better quality, no?
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Post by: Person Man on March 20, 2019, 10:21:30 pm
For as much as the non-comic reading public views him as a goofy joke hero, Captain Marvel is one of DC's strongest characters.   He's quite often depicted as being near Superman-tier in strength, speed, and ability (probably due to the fact that he was originally conceived as a Superman proxy by Fawcett comics to compete with DC until the rights to the character changed hands.  As Captain Marvel and not Billy Batson, he has literal God level strength, speed, endurance, and intelligence. They don't call him Earth's Mightiest Mortal for nothing.

If they go by their previous episodes research then Shazam should automatically win this one.  Carol already lost one Death Battle against Android 18.  In-universe, Goku is objectively stronger than 18 is.  Goku lost two Death Battles against Superman.  Shazam is near or equal to Superman's level of power.  Therefore by association Shazam should be stronger than Captain Marvel.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 20, 2019, 10:27:30 pm
Ok, but we know how incredibly piss-poor their Dragon Ball stats can be.  But I guess regardless, going by their stats, being anywhere around Superman's level is ridiculously high.

...WHY he's at that level coming from something as relatively not as special as powers coming from the Greek Gods, nowhere near planetary, I don't get, but hey, whatever, comic books.

I am still wary that by nature of Carol's powers that she's consistently draining Shazam of his immediate head start in the fight though.  Can her absorption be overloaded?  I don't recall them placing a cap on how much she can absorb, that's a fairly good counter to his powers.  And to my knowledge, Shazam's powers are all very....blunt, to put it.  No status effect changes, no traps to lay, nothing exotic, just a heaping load of power behind his blasts and punches.
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Post by: Person Man on March 20, 2019, 10:51:00 pm
As far as I've seen their DBZ stats are only "poor" by the standards of DBZ fanboys who start typing out furious rants until their fingers bleed if anyone suggest that literally any character in Dragon Ball isn't strong enough to destroy every other fictional universe at once by sneezing, but that's a discussion that's already been had.

Back to the topic at hand, I don't think Carol can absorb magic.  She absorbs energy, but in those vague nebulous terms that comic books are so fond of using "energy" is still distinct from "magic."  I don't recall if Carol actually has any particular strengths or weaknesses to magic; she's more of a cosmic hero so she doesn't typically deal with the mystical/supernatural type stuff.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 20, 2019, 11:04:44 pm
Well, it's almost like they continuously get the thing incredibly wrong, so of course people don't shut up about it, but yes, topic closed.  I might be thinking way back to Rogue's episode back in, what, episode 2 or 3, where they reason that Rogue can absorb Wonder Woman's powers. because of the Juggernaut....but then Ben's also said something along the lines of disregard all of season 1, its research is scattershot across a couple of weeks by him alone as well as the animation, and it shows in retrospect.  Carol works on a whole different level than Rogue for different reasons, but I suppose if they'd allow it once for another character it's at least not a new concept to the Marvel universe that energy absorption includes magic.

But as far as Death Battle goes, if they're willing to handwave away Naruto to Bleach's largely different forms of spiritual energies not matching up, then unless we have specific details laying out why or why not something can or can not happen then I think it'd be safe to assume they'll just lump magic energy blasts with all the others.  Only difference would be speed, as they do with lightning blasts originating naturally to, you know, hand blasts.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on March 24, 2019, 08:38:58 pm
I think Shazam will win this Fight Except Captain Marvel turns him back into a Kid, he has Superman levels of Strength and Flash levels of Speed, and they always made a big thing of it if someone is faster like in the Doomstay vs Hulk battle.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2019, 08:49:28 pm
Doomsday vs Hulk?  Speed wasn't a deciding factor in Doomsday vs Hulk.  It was an advantage for Doomsday, but overall a pointless detail on the actual matter of debate if Hulk's never-ending strength could overcome Doomsday's equally never-ending defense.  Which they boil down to a fairly silly theory but one that kinda holds up that Hulk's strength comes from a loop of his anger can't subside with his healing factor in place, thus something just needs to hurt enough to counteract it.

But chances are Shazam's faster, yeah.  I don't even follow the guy but just being in the sentence "...compared to Superman" tends to make you stupidly exceedingly well in that stat category.  Didn't know you could force Billy's transformation to revert, though.  Thought it was a more permanent thing that requires the specific voice command from his voice alone, it's not something that, like, a little head trauma could undo.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on March 24, 2019, 11:10:04 pm
Didn't know you could force Billy's transformation to revert, though.  Thought it was a more permanent thing that requires the specific voice command from his voice alone, it's not something that, like, a little head trauma could undo.

It is not the spell that transforms him, the Magic Lighning that hit's him Transforms Billy, He sometimes uses it as a offensive attack, because for other people it is just as hazardous as a regular Lighning but if it gets reflected or Billy Moves in the way of it for some reason and gets hit by it, he Transforms back into his Human Form.

Here a example from the Superman VS Captain Marvel fight from Justice League Unlimited. go to 3:43


I heard he will also turn back into his Human form when he gets hit by a vast amount regular electricity, but I'm not sure if that is true or not.


So I guess the Deathbattle guys could pull a "Carol absorbs his Magic Lighning and can now Shoot Lighnings with the same Magic Powers" at him to turn him back or something like that to make her win.....
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Post by: Person Man on March 24, 2019, 11:20:36 pm
Again I feel it’s important to point out that in the Marvel universe there is an established canonical difference between cosmic energy like what Captain Marvel deals in and magic.  They are definitively two separate concepts.  And Captain Marvel doesn’t have any history of absorbing or wielding magic.  As much as Death Battle might fudge the numbers here and there or neglect to factor in certain things, they don’t make up stuff that a character never actually did.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 26, 2019, 11:22:09 pm
They did with giving Android 18 Energy Absorbtion, which she's only had in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 1/2. Android 17 and 18 were new androids with perpetual energy sources, so they didn't require one like Dr.Gero and his earlier creations did.
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Post by: vyn on March 26, 2019, 11:32:55 pm
Skip immediately to 8 minutes and 30 seconds. You won't be disappointed.  :sugoi:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ROV5iU_dY[/youtube]

can anyone tell me where those batman sprites are from?.
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Post by: Person Man on March 26, 2019, 11:38:04 pm
They did with giving Android 18 Energy Absorbtion, which she's only had in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 1/2. Android 17 and 18 were new androids with perpetual energy sources, so they didn't require one like Dr.Gero and his earlier creations did.

At the very least it's still something that the character demonstrated in officially released material.  Yes they fucked up by factoring it as one of her source canon abilities, but it's not like they said "18 would win if she could do this thing, so let's just say that she can."

:Edit:  Promo for Ms. Captain Warbinary

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Post by: Thagr8test on April 03, 2019, 06:11:59 am
not a death battle but still pretty dope

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Post by: Person Man on April 04, 2019, 02:35:59 am
Sinbad



They kinda undersold it here, but the Wisdom of Solomon letting him instantly know anything he wants at any time seems crazy overpowered in a DB scenario.  He could automatically know all of Captain Marvel's abilities and all of her weaknesses.  He's more than equipped to handle anything she throws at him, with Superman-tier strength and near omniscience.  If Shazam doesn't win this one by a landslide I'm calling shenanigans.
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Post by: R565 on April 04, 2019, 03:27:17 am
I agree, there aren't many beings in Marvel that can really go toe to toe with DC's best. Everyone at this point knows DC's universe is full of strong beings.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: R565 on April 10, 2019, 07:19:28 pm
Death Battle is up.


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Post by: Long John Killer on April 10, 2019, 10:27:28 pm
This is weird.  The episode described why one side would win, while showcasing why the other one would.

Spoiler: So yeah, this fight (click to see content)

Next fight was so close to getting it right, almost the right combatants.  Just swap Wario for K. Rool.
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Post by: Person Man on April 11, 2019, 12:49:38 am
This is weird.  The episode described why one side would win, while showcasing why the other one would.

Spoiler: So yeah, this fight (click to see content)
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Next fight skews heavily in Wario's favor.  Going by the Wario Land games the dude is practically immortal; hit him with most anything and it doesn't hurt, it just gives him a weird power-up until he gets hit with something else.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on April 11, 2019, 03:47:44 am
You can get burnt to a pile of ash in Shake Dimension/Shake It!! but then shrug it off like it was nothing. I know Dedede's a comically durable guy in a similar vein to Bowser, but Wario is canonically shown to be practically immortal and hella strong.
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Post by: Darkflare on April 11, 2019, 12:04:08 pm
Next fight was so close to getting it right, almost the right combatants.  Just swap Wario for K. Rool.

I think they're going for greedy big eaters in this one. Besides, Wario has a lot more feats to pull from, plus they can compare him to Mario.

Wario's insane, but don't forget that Dedede lives in a world that constantly gets visited by eldritch abominations and he has lent Kirby a hand in his adventures from time to time.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on April 11, 2019, 02:12:31 pm
Dedede has a habit of getting possessed though.
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Post by: Person Man on April 18, 2019, 12:20:58 am
The one fart joke Nintendo is allowed to make.

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 18, 2019, 12:40:56 am
So I've never played the Wario Ware titles.  Do they offer anything of interest to him?  In general, those games seem to lack any substantial story on purpose, just being a collection of mini-games.  Of which using as a source for feats is rather questionable, like they did with Peach despite games like Strikers being in-canon staged events and not actually happening and/or being done by the characters.

I know they introduce a whole array of new characters that became fan favorites like Ashley or that disco guy, but Wario doesn't actually do anything in them, right?

Also I'm randomly reminded that the Mega Man vs Astro Boy episoe made reference to a fan edit of the Mega Man t.v. show, and suddenly I want them to bring this up next episode.
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Post by: Person Man on April 18, 2019, 12:54:55 am
Well, that is where Wario-Man comes from, which temporarily gives him a set of generic superhero powers, but beyond that nothing much.  Wario Ware storylines are usually little more than failed get-rich-quick schemes for Wario's part.

:EDIT:  Kingson Dededoo

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Post by: R565 on May 01, 2019, 07:41:43 pm
Battle is up.

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 01, 2019, 11:33:53 pm
What a weird freaking match-up for next episode.  Ben 10 versus Hal Jordan.  I mean, I get it, green, power from jewelry bonded to them, superheroes, but surely there are better candidates for each?  Eh, whatever, maybe it'll be another Carnage vs Lucy episode in creativity.

Ben 10 apparently gets marginally stupid with their powers in that series.  I followed it back on its original series up to before Vilgax even showed up, and if that were the end-all of the series then yeah, he would have no chance, but as I've heard from the grapevine there's this Alien X fella that Ben copied into his arsenal that's more-or-less a cheat code for a fight.  It's powers are the ability to do anything, anywhere, anyhow for any reason.  Or something to that degree.  Like popping up a few universes or shaking the timeline around.

I'm presuming it's not QUITE as broken as that, given there's a whole race of these beings and they apparently lose their fights, but at the very least I can see the comparisons to a White Lantern.
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Post by: Person Man on May 02, 2019, 12:57:55 am
I always forget how goddamn insane Kirby lore is when you actually stop to think about it.

As for the next fight I know literally nothing about Ben 10 or why he would be comparable to Green Lantern.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 02, 2019, 01:50:13 am
Can turn himself into any alien that's dna is recorded into his watch

Which means any alien in his universe but maybe not any alien in any universe

Most have simple fun powers, a few are broken, he often gets a different one than he wanted for comedic effect
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Post by: R565 on May 02, 2019, 02:38:44 am
Yeah funny thing about Alien X, it's literally made from two galactic entities that can never agree with each other and the second time that Ben changed into it in Alien Force, he got stuck in it until he got the entities to agree with each other and he said never again with that headache.

Although he did get them to work in Omniverse hence the reality got mixed up. Either way, the timer on his watch is super finicky and probably might be his downfall when it comes to reliability, he has strong as hell aliens sure, but it don't mean jack when you can't access it with a cooldown on it.

Edit: Now that I think about, the Ben with the best chance of victory probably is Teen Ben aka Alien Force or Ultimate Alien. If they stay with the first season, then Ben has no chance.
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Post by: rgveda99 on May 02, 2019, 05:02:49 am
Wouldn't Kamen Rider Decade be the more suitable rival for Ben 10?
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 02, 2019, 07:29:20 am
Although he did get them to work in Omniverse hence the reality got mixed up. Either way, the timer on his watch is super finicky and probably might be his downfall when it comes to reliability, he has strong as hell aliens sure, but it don't mean jack when you can't access it with a cooldown on it.

Edit: Now that I think about, the Ben with the best chance of victory probably is Teen Ben aka Alien Force or Ultimate Alien. If they stay with the first season, then Ben has no chance.

Judging from the preview, it seems they're going the route of Ben 10, Alien Force and Ultimate Alien combined, similar to how they handled the Toph v. Gaara fight.

In one episode, Ben in the future had unlocked the secrets of the Omnitrix, basically allowing him to change into whatever alien he wanted at any given time. True, Green Lantern can imagine (nearly) anything he wanted with the ring, but some of Ben's aliens allow him to become even smarter (Grey Matter for example), probably figuring out what weaknesses the ring has (like Green Lantern's allergy to the color Yellow for some reason?)
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Post by: Person Man on May 08, 2019, 07:08:30 pm
The Tenth Benjamin

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Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 11, 2019, 06:05:58 pm
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Post by: Person Man on May 16, 2019, 12:31:50 am
Green Lämp

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Post by: R565 on May 17, 2019, 12:31:10 am
The fight between Benjamin Tennyson and Hal Jordan is going to be interesting in the least.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 22, 2019, 07:52:43 pm
Death Battle's out


Next Time:
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 22, 2019, 10:57:24 pm
Wow, people are upset with that one.  10K downvotes, oof.

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The next fight doesn't interest me per the matchup, just it being a first-party series of theirs and how that turned out last time with Yang.  I have literally zero knowledge who the other woman is.  Artwork looks like a Persona character, I guess.
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Post by: R565 on May 22, 2019, 11:11:53 pm
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Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2019, 01:03:24 am
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The next fight doesn't interest me per the matchup, just it being a first-party series of theirs and how that turned out last time with Yang.  I have literally zero knowledge who the other woman is.  Artwork looks like a Persona character, I guess.

Mitsuru Kirijo from Persona 3.  She fights with rapiers and has an elemental affinity to ice, so I can see where the similarities come in.

I've never actually seen RWBY even though the internet keeps telling me how cool it supposedly is, so IDK about this matchup.  Should be funny when Boomstick finds out how Persona 3 dudes actually summon their personas, though.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2019, 01:20:54 am
So, uh, it's back up now, but I noticed after the like/dislike ratio tanked hard into the dislikes the video was unavailable for bit.  The bar's still there, wonder what that was about?

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I haven't seen RWBY either, and I'll admit to it being pure spite at this point ever since the Tifa episode, but god what a piss in your eye way to advertise.  Didn't exactly attract to begin what with how clunky it looked being 3D anime, but the Death Battle didn't help.  And it didn't even stay accurate within a few episodes and was discredited by the RWBY staff team.  Just rubs me wrong, comes across as nepotism between the newly joined companies up and down and makes me want to avoid it on principle.

All I know on Weiss comes from a friend who was into the show, she apparently has a rapier that sounds like it's also a gunblade, and she summons a knight to fight for her.  So I guess I get the connection.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 23, 2019, 01:31:04 am
Might as well call the next one a bye week as far as I'm concerned

Not gonna have the home team lose this close to the new season announcement at RTX
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2019, 01:36:22 am
Yeah, see, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  They have a part of the pie off of how well RWBY does, they have some form of bias to see it do well.  If not by its own merits in DB then by downplaying the other side.  It's hard to take them at face value saying they don't when what they've turned out says otherwise.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 24, 2019, 06:29:35 am
Feels like I’ve been saying this about every Death Battle but

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Post by: R565 on May 28, 2019, 02:35:05 am

Praise be to Ink Tank!
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 28, 2019, 04:27:33 am
To be fair, that Kuro guy is, like, the sole cause of any and all hype and overexaggerating on the usage and abilities of Alien X amongst these debates.  He runs a webcomic to keep the Ben 10 series alive after all.  Of course he was going to have nitpicks about the episode, some of which are just customary to the Death Battle show as a whole such as the choice in character avatar in the fight animation not being representative of how they look at their peak, just their most common/popular form with the resources available.  Like Toph being a kid, Goku being in his End of Z gi and age whilst also being End of GT Goku or Nightmare being, well, not Nightmare at times.  Just a factor of sprite limitation.

I'm surprised that a reoccurring statement people point to Death Battle being false on was the overuse of the Omnitrix messing with your DNA, and point of the Master Control was the get rid of that issue, because even the little I'm personally familiar on in the original series, that was a thing.  Hence the cooldown time, it wouldn't let you use it in rapid succession back then specifically because of that.  It's clearly long since been an issue, but still.
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Post by: R565 on May 28, 2019, 04:39:04 am
But yeah, once again they just put flashy battle scenes over really looking at skills in general. This actually made me watch the show again and I really do agree with Ink on a lot of things. That and the fact that Hal was really fighting two on one.
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Post by: Person Man on May 30, 2019, 12:20:53 am
Elsa

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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 30, 2019, 01:11:27 am
Wouldn't it be Anime Elsa instead?

I mean, Frost already has the title of 'Elsa' to begin with...
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Post by: Kirishima on May 30, 2019, 02:16:36 am
Snow White
You had one job.
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Post by: Person Man on June 06, 2019, 12:30:51 am
Stand User-senpai

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Post by: R565 on June 12, 2019, 09:06:14 pm

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Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2019, 12:22:38 am
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Next up is Johnny Cage vs Captain Falcon?  I don't quite see the connection.  Cool shades and a trademark punch, maybe?
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 13, 2019, 12:45:44 am
Captain Falcon is dead like his franchise. I know my F-Zero lore (or what little of it there is) and ultimately it depends which source they go with: video game Falcon or anime Falcon.

Anime Falcon died in a reactor explosion, whereas I get the feeling MK characters have tanked more than that. At best, video game Falcon has done what, punch a giant robot over? He's a skilled bounty hunter, sure, but outside of the lost F-Zero X webcomics, all we've seen him really do in that regard is apprehend some jobber alien criminal.
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Post by: Darkflare on June 13, 2019, 01:30:05 am
And just where exactly are they going to pull Falcon's feats from? His series? 98% of the time he's driving the Blue Falcon and not actually fighting.

The only times we see Cap in a fight is in Smash and in an old comic from his SNES game. His Smash moveset was literally completely made up(as in, it doesn't borrow references from his source series unlike... literally everyone else). The famous Falcon punch scene from the anime? He didn't contribute to that explosion at all, that reactor was going to blow up anyway.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 01:34:44 am
They're both fighting superstars, one a racer and the other a movie star, with signature fighting game punch attacks.  And maybe the god killer thing too, was that thing Douglas killed in the anime a god?  I don't recall.

Some previous Death Battle Cast about Captain Falcon fighting someone (Duke Nukem I think?) remarked that the anime is non-canon and not a viable source, plus his big final Falcon Punch at the end flying out of his car, the explosion wasn't really him anyways.  Add on top of that Death Battle DOES use non-canon sources for MK like the mini-games and it's pretty straight-forwardly in Johnny Cage's favor.

Oh and right, new DB today.  I guess they couldn't swing it in their team's favor without being called out on it again, too obvious when the other character is immune to their foe's attacks.  Which I feel like pointing out happened last time to but whatever.  Surprised they didn't go with the 2D sprites though, 3D fights are so sparse and they used it on this.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 13, 2019, 02:01:13 am
was that thing Douglas killed in the anime a god?  I don't recall.

If you're referring to the iconic Falcon Punch scene, that's just Black Shadow. Captain Falcon punched him so he couldn't escape the explosion of the Dark Reactor.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 02:14:08 am
Yeah, that was it, it's been a dog's age since I saw it and forgot what it was he was actually fighting at the end there.
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Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2019, 02:59:13 am
Surprised they didn't go with the 2D sprites though, 3D fights are so sparse and they used it on this.
I mean if they had access to the RWBY assets anyway, why not? It's not like they only have a set number of 3D fight they're allowed to do.

On the topic of Captain Falcon's chances, the only thing I can see giving him any king of edge on a Mortal Kombat-tier character (and this is a pretty deep cut I had to dig through a wiki to find) is the championship belt from F-Zero GX which apparently somehow grants its bearer the power to  "turn the entire galaxy to dust in an instant."   Which would seem like overkill if DB actually factors it in.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 03:01:48 am
They don't have a specific set number, no, but they do tend to point out how much harder the 3D ones are to pull together with the motion capturing and losing their lead animator for new members, so I imagine it's more stressful on them to make than the 2D ones.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 14, 2019, 05:31:41 am
Most likely, they're gonna pull stuff from Smash Bros for Captain Falcon with a hint of anime, like "Oh, Johnny Cage tanked a bunch of hits from Shinnok, and blows that would normally kill a regular human being, but Captain Falcon tanked whatever Tabuu and Galeem/Darkhom throw at him."
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2019, 08:24:47 pm
Smash really should not be used for any form of basis on any character unless they directly specify the version of the character they're using is that one Smash just invented.  Because besides Smash having no real sense of proper powerscaling between the franchises because they're, well, freaking living trophies imitating their real-world counterparts because the games are supposed to be a representation of kids playing with their toys so who cares, that would also make this Captain Falcon, like, a couple inches tall? 

Not that that's stopped them before counting it for Ganondorf and very-much so for Samus, which I never got because fighting Boba Fett was always such a stomp that the guy wouldn't even touch her.  But it's a Monty Oum reference, so whatever.  And I don't expect it to stop them in this case because Captain Falcon's an odd case where his identity pretty much comes from Smash.
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Post by: Person Man on June 20, 2019, 12:30:05 am
Johnny Quest



:EDIT: And Lieutenant Hawk

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Post by: R565 on July 03, 2019, 07:24:01 pm
Death Battle is up

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Post by: Long John Killer on July 03, 2019, 09:19:07 pm
Eh.  Doesn't feel right but whatever.

Next fight is....interesting.  One-sided but interesting.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 04, 2019, 08:01:36 am
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 04, 2019, 11:06:38 am
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2019, 03:06:44 pm
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Aang is usually an interesting topic in a versus match due to his energybending being a neat counter to many opponents with skillsets of a similar origin from one's body.  In this particular case however, I do not believe alchemy works in such a manner that they need some form of enhanced energy running through them, the "magic" as it is, is all performed as a tool outside of their physical capabilities, they just direct the tool.  So I would believe that no, there's nothing special TO take from Edward.  Unless we somehow equate the soul/missing body parts exchanged to heaven/God/that big black door to chakra and make him lose the whole "don't need transmutation circles anymore" bit, which I highly doubt they'll go for a stretch that far.

However, I highly doubt he will need it in this case.  Aang versus Naruto would have been the more interesting match-up due to Aang's effectively touch of death and versitility compared to Naruto's bigger powers and survivability.  Aang versus Edward.....well, Aang can dodge lightning, traverse and manipulate the battlefield completely to his control, shown bigger feats and has the added benefit of all his past lives looking over his shoulder for help and willing to step in when needed, since this isn't Korra yet so the tie hasn't been severed.  Which while I don't have all the past avatars memorized, all you really need is Kyoshi moving a continent with fans to say they'd win.

Unfortunately, from what I can recall from the Avatar comics, Aang never wanted to learn metalbending.  Leaving it to Toph to both create and master and then somewhere along the line pass along to her students/minions.  So we probably won't be getting any metal arm and leg bending goofiness.
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Post by: Person Man on July 04, 2019, 04:01:33 pm
^  Unless they pull one of those "it stands to reason ____ could also do something similar."

It's been a hot minute since I've watched FMA, but from what I remember its version of alchemy was based on the deconstruction and reconstruction of the four classical elements, whereas bending is about manipulating them.  That is one thing that could skew the fight in Edward's favor;  Aang would have to work with what he has available while Ed can create whatever he needs.
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 04, 2019, 04:54:56 pm
but then again wouldnt Avatar State give Aang edge with skills and knowledge of past avatars?
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 04, 2019, 06:02:58 pm
Yeah, Ed's simply not getting past avatar state.  He's simply not going to be able to cope with fire and/or lava being thrown at him, drowning, mountains being tossed upon him while asphyxiation takes him.  Looking at Korra for comparison since her series makes more use of it, she needed to have gotten a lethal dose of mercury poisoning running through her for an extended period of time just to bring her down to a master savant airbender's level.

It's been a hot minute since I've watched FMA, but from what I remember its version of alchemy was based on the deconstruction and reconstruction of the four classical elements, whereas bending is about manipulating them.  That is one thing that could skew the fight in Edward's favor;  Aang would have to work with what he has available while Ed can create whatever he needs.
That is a good point and comparison between them.  However, Aang's range of control vastly eclipse's Ed's range of manipulation.  Ed at most that I recall can make walls or buildings, and pretty much only does so through solid matter.  Alchemists throughout the series mess around with all range of the states of matter, but Ed himself isn't that well versed.  I don't recall him, say, altering all the oxygen in the local area to poisonous gas.  He's specialized, like all the state alchemists, his schtick is metal.  Meanwhile Aang can just continuously pull from the Earth for his arsenal until, well, the planet's all gone, really.
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 04, 2019, 06:36:01 pm
Since its a death battle,is there anything that stops Aang from suffacating him with air bending?,
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Post by: Person Man on July 04, 2019, 06:59:02 pm
Their general rule about comparing character's feats and strengths mathematically and determining who's stronger overall as opposed to giving the win to the first one who could get one good move in one specific scenario.  Death Battle tends to shy away from the "X could beat Y if X did this, this, and this" line of reasoning and is more about "X has demonstrated this ability that exceeds what Y has demonstrated they're capable of defending against."
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 04, 2019, 07:00:04 pm
Oh okay then,
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Post by: Person Man on July 10, 2019, 09:14:17 pm
Ana Ng

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Post by: R565 on July 11, 2019, 12:15:24 am
Yeah which is one of the reasons why some people criticize the way they do matches because of comparing feats but at the end of it all it's entertainment.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on July 12, 2019, 11:06:37 am
Never saw Full Metal Alchemist so I don't know how strong Edward is, but Aang is basically a demigod when he reaches avatar state, especially after he mastered all 4 Elements, soo did Edward ever beat something with a similar kind of power?
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Post by: MAO11 on July 12, 2019, 04:31:24 pm
well edward killed a god or close to it.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on July 13, 2019, 12:23:18 am
well edward killed a god or close to it.

Ok I did not expected that, so I guess he has a chance then, depending how strong the god was.
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Post by: Long John Killer on July 13, 2019, 01:23:58 am
A heavy asterisk next to that "killed a god", though.  He punched out/whacked with a bunch of bricks a semi-immortal man who lost/was losing his powers and he just finished him off.


Ridiculously heavy spoilers, obviously, for the very last episode of the series, but in all honesty they will most likely cover this in the full thing regardless.  It would be more akin to say at this point that Edward defeated someone with a pretty good healing factor that was fading away by whaling on him.

To also answer an earlier question that Person Man is accurate on it not being the focus of their analysis but....yeah, there's pretty much nothing at all preventing Aang from doing to Edward what Zaheer did to the Earth Queen in Legend of Korra and forcibly remove the oxygen from Ed's lungs until asphyxiation.  A scene that's remarkibly hard to find on YouTube to demostrate without it being some stupid little AMV for some reason.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 14, 2019, 09:16:35 pm
DBX is back
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Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2019, 09:07:57 pm
Ed... ward...

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Post by: Long John Killer on July 18, 2019, 03:08:41 am
....Edward doesn't manipulate the four classic elements.  I mean, he does, or what he has experience in anyways, but in addition he alters all the natural periodic ones through alchemy.  I think they meant the 4 states of matter?  That or the line had to be altered for the joke to end the mini-rundown here and they rectify what they mean in the full thing.  Still, what odd phrasing.

Also I appreciate people elsewhere discussing the match-up bringing this up.
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/images/zcb5yAYIHPlrHlpttGH.gif)
Acknowledging Order of the Stick is always a plus in my book.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 24, 2019, 09:59:14 pm
Spoiler: This Time on Death Battle (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next Time on Death Battle (click to see content)
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 24, 2019, 10:08:16 pm
you cant kill ghost rider from what I remember unless you have weapons forged in heaven but then again,ghost rider is based on christianity and yahweh seems connected to it and he is a skyfather like Odin,not sure if this allows Lobo to overpower him.
I dont know much about Lobo,but is he really unkillable? Penance Stare has killled several characters including Thanos at some point,I wonder if they factor that.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on July 24, 2019, 11:27:38 pm
That's going to be the big question for the next match: Can Ghost Rider's Penance Stare do any damage to Lobo, let alone kill him?

Lobo is a very strong character. He's gone toe to toe with Superman before and the guy has been thrown out of heaven AND hell. I don't know if there's anything Ghost Rider can do here...
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 24, 2019, 11:30:20 pm
But Lobo cant do anything either unless he has an heavenly weapon,this actually might be a stalemate.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on July 24, 2019, 11:40:46 pm
Even if it is essentially a stalemate, I’m counting on that good ol’ DB DC bias to give Lobo the win somehow, probably by giving his immortality less limits that GR’s.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 25, 2019, 12:00:23 am
Lobo was Deadpool before a)there was a deadpool and 2) that Deadpool was even what we would consider nowadays as "Deadpool"

Even down to starting out as a semi-serious character and almost immediately becoming a satire, specifically of Wolverine

Lobo is the smartest person on Czarnia which he demostrated by creating a virus that wiped out his entire race and making himself the last Czarnian (he gets mad if he finds out any other ones are out there, including his own children. It's a branding thing you understand)

He is strong and tough enough to go toe to toe with Superman, he can clone himself at will and (stop me if you've heard this old yarn) regenerate from a pool of blood

He is barred from any afterlife out there (he's so mean that Satan doesn't even want him, brother jack dude)

Most writers ignore this because Keith Giffen was clearly coming from a comedic mindset when he wrote Lobo but they also have done nothing to contradict it in even in recent years, you can see Lobo regenerating from having his head blown up as recently as a few years ago

And that's not even getting into his bike
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Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2019, 01:23:40 am
Next fight's over before it begins.  Not only do you have DC comics batshit bonkers power scaling, but then you add gag character immunity and Lobo's cartoon logic on top of that?  Ghost Rider's so outclassed it's not even funny.
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Post by: Darkflare on July 25, 2019, 07:51:32 am
So basically, it's yet another obviously lopsided battle.

ok cool. They really need to do something about picking the most one sided matches.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on July 25, 2019, 05:14:17 pm
How does Lobo actually kill Ghost Rider though? I’m not talking about Blaze or Ketch, or whichever host, I’m talking about the spirit of vengeance itself (Zarathos I believe?), who is also more than a match for someone like Superman. Seeing as how DB loves doing composites, I’m sure they’ve already thought of the whole host situation. This battle is going to do some reaching when picking the winner.

Also I hope they don’t mention Punisher tanking the Penance Stare because that was just random PIS if anything.
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Post by: BurningSoul on July 25, 2019, 05:47:45 pm
They can use comic books where Worthy Silver Surfer kills Cosmic Ghost Rider with Mjolnir.They probably gonna scale how hard Mjolnir can hit compared to Lobo and if he has feats that are beyond.They will say.he can beat Ghost Rider.Thats a possibility.Second way is comparing Lobo to Yahweh(a skyfather Deity like Odin) and call it the same god thats Been referred on Ghost Rider Comics.
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Post by: Person Man on August 01, 2019, 02:33:02 am
Ghostwriter



And Wolf

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on August 12, 2019, 10:12:39 pm
Just a reminder that XvX still exists
Season 2 premiere
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Post by: R565 on August 14, 2019, 09:25:03 pm
The Big Battle


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Post by: PBRTODD101 on August 14, 2019, 09:46:15 pm
That was probably the most ridiculously entertaining DB in a while. Winner makes sense I guess, but this one was one of those “could go either way” things in my opinion so I couldn’t complain as to who ended up winning regardless. I’m just happy we got a fun, non-infuriating death battle for a change.
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Post by: R565 on August 14, 2019, 09:53:06 pm
Yeah, at the end both of them were op and you really had to dig into the lore to see who could actually win.
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Post by: BurningSoul on August 14, 2019, 10:40:06 pm
Called it,Glad they didnt count the time Silver Surfer killed Ghost Rider with Mjolnir,that could have changed the result,if Lobo had enough strength to compare with but glad they didnt use that storyline,sure they mentioned thanos but they didnt even use it. 
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 15, 2019, 12:53:03 am
I'm....not buying it.  An awful lot of scaling off of characters not appearing to be at their best, killing with a move that wouldn't have any effect and assuming quite a bit with that "Death can't take Lobo but other things than Death that can reap immortal souls would" logic.  Gonna add this one to the rest of the pile I disagree with, but hey, it was animated nicely enough.  Was hoping this one would be 3D, but I guess I forgot about the Dragonzord/MechaGodzilla one they previously announced.

Which speaking of which, is our next match.  And both sides I haven't even thought about in, like, 20 years.  So I'm just going to guess MechaGodzilla because it's meant to be a match for Godzilla, who should ridiculously outclass any kaiju the Power Rangers dealt with.
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Post by: BurningSoul on August 15, 2019, 12:59:02 am
But Ghost Rider has killed Thanos with Stare,sure not at the start but eventually and Thanos doesnt feel guilt either so it would work on Lobo too right? I guees
I dont know anything about next match hope its 3D,havent seen one of those in a while
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Post by: Person Man on August 15, 2019, 01:09:22 am
Yeah, this one doesn't really check out.  It's been explicitly confirmed by multiple writers that the Penance Stare doesn't work on those who don't feel guilt for their sins or whose souls have divine protection, both of which technically apply to Lobo.  Plus that fourth-hand power scaling comparison to say "Johnny Blaze = Galactus" makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 15, 2019, 01:27:28 am
But Ghost Rider has killed Thanos with Stare,sure not at the start but eventually
Ok, so I clearly have not read this comic, so how that hell does that make sense?  Is this, like, right before and after Thanos genocides a planet he actually really likes a lot?  Is this a What-If storyline?  There has to be a leap in time lapse between comics, else he goes from peace of mind with his actions to regretting them enough that it would be damaging enough to his soul to end him, with some event weighing greater on his conscious than being a freaking universal tyrant?

Another thought.  Doesn't being the Pope not make Lobo a holy man, thus a holy weapon unto himself?  Or at least bless his typical armament just by proxy?  I mean, sure SOUNDS like something that'd fly in a Lobo comic.
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Post by: BurningSoul on August 15, 2019, 02:37:05 am
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/an9z6dB_700bwp.webp)
literally the page
Frank Castle was out of his right mind,once he gained some semblance and got to dothe star again it killed Thanos
This is a what if tho,Cosmic Ghost Rider storyline
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Post by: YugaCurry on August 15, 2019, 05:35:17 am
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/an9z6dB_700bwp.webp)
literally the page
Frank Castle was out of his right mind,once he gained some semblance and got to dothe star again it killed Thanos
This is a what if tho,Cosmic Ghost Rider storyline

I read somewhere that this is something different. It's not the penance stare. It's something that is specific to only the cosmic Frank castle version. The immediate next slide has him say penance (not stare) means punishment. I don't think that's Zarathos in him. Ghostrider has tried the stare on Thanos and lost.
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Post by: Prime SC on August 15, 2019, 07:02:03 am
ending was a little iffy but it was a good fight overall
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Post by: Lichtbringer on August 15, 2019, 07:30:19 pm
Which speaking of which, is our next match.  And both sides I haven't even thought about in, like, 20 years.  So I'm just going to guess MechaGodzilla because it's meant to be a match for Godzilla, who should ridiculously outclass any kaiju the Power Rangers dealt with.

Yea if they would use classic MechaModzilla then the Dragonzord would have a chance, but this will be a one sided battle since they use Kiryu who has far more weapon systems it can use.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 17, 2019, 09:30:18 am
I don't know if anyone put this up yet, but new DBX.
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Post by: Person Man on August 22, 2019, 03:45:38 am
Guardian Beast Dragon Caesar



Kiryu

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Post by: DatKofGuy on August 29, 2019, 10:42:14 pm
Nobody posted this yet
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Post by: Pooh Hardy on September 01, 2019, 03:17:43 pm
bout time this came out, pretty fun watch
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Post by: MAO11 on September 01, 2019, 05:22:25 pm
eh got bored didn't finished it , dude cracking up unfunny jokes every time he speaks.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 03, 2019, 12:11:23 pm
Gatos vs Doggos.


Edit: Next DBX
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Post by: Person Man on September 04, 2019, 07:27:47 pm
Spoiler alert the lizard robot wins.



Next battle is Not-Vegeta vs Not-Vegeta.  I'd be rooting for Hiei because Sasuke is such an awful, terribly written and executed character, but Edgelord McRedeyes does have a lot more of the big scale flashy stuff that Death Battle looks at.
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Post by: BurningSoul on September 04, 2019, 07:51:58 pm
I wonder if they factor Sasuke only having 1 arm in the fight,since they use fullpower,Sasuke does have access to all abilities of Eternal Mangekyou as well as Rinnegan which seems like a lot of hax if they factor the six path abilities of rinnegan pain used(nagato),my bets are on Sasuke
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Post by: Seadragon77 on September 04, 2019, 11:57:50 pm
The next match reeks of a curb stomp... I mean, Sasuke has gained so much shit in the years since I watched Naruto that having Hiei face him is going to be a massacre.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2019, 08:08:35 am
I stopped following Naruto once Orochimaru lost his arms, Naruto chased after him and Sasuke, only to find Sasuke killed Orochimaru and ran off because he was sulking and life is hard.  From what I've seen of Boruto he gets somewhat better as a family man but the vast majority of his overall presence I'm just out of the loop with.  Hiei on the other hand I saw Yu Yu Hakusho in its entirety....back when it aired on Toonami.  So I'm just some 15+ years rusty on the series.

From what I recall in scales of power, DB came to the conclusion that their most powerful hax character Naruto has, uh, Naruto himself, is moon-levels of destruction.  When he's boosted with his little Firefox extension in his belly and whatnot.  Yusuke however by the end could effortlessly blow away Earth and Hell.  But while Sasuke is Naruto's rival as Hiei was to Yusuke, Hiei became the Piccolo-equivalent; he got outclassed early on and just settled into the role of support while the star became a god.  Or Satan, whatever.  Sasuke actually kept on par or at least close enough to Naruto's level, however he managed that without a tailed beast.  I'm of the presumption then that while the YYU-verse is more destructive, Sasuke's levels being in the range of Naruto's probably puts him over the edge against Hiei.

I don't recall how Hiei's third eye or black dragon work on their specifics.  I'd imagine the all-seeing truth-revealing eye lets Hiei just ignore Sasuke's eye illusions, but Hiei's black dragon was always hyped up as the most destructive, unstoppable force in all of Hell, no demon could control it....then was stopped. Like, a bunch of times.  Typical shonen affair, but I don't know if it can just, like, eat Sasuke's defensive purple fire demon dude or not.

Oh and Dragonzord/Mechgodzilla was cool.  Very strange how the animation started literally mid-fight though, could they not find an excuse to have them fight?  Eh, whatever.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on September 08, 2019, 10:32:23 pm
Hiei is definitely the much cooler and better written character of the two, but EOS Naruto and Sasuke are no joke, and Sasuke probably has him beat in the eyes department. Gotta give this one to Sasuke but it should be a fun watch nonetheless.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 08, 2019, 11:28:05 pm
What even do Sasuke's eyes do now?  From what I know he inherited his clan's somehow both most basic level ocular jutsu yet also the world's most sought out weapon, which instantly just lets him copy and paste the knowledge of whatever ninja magic he's looking at into his repertoire.  Then the big deal of him following in his brother's footsteps was achieving the same evolved form of that clan's eye magic which was...making illusions that were 100% believable and interactable.  And he has to believe he killed his best friend to do so, which was a challenge because Sasuke doesn't have friends.  So Sephiroth Holo-Deck magic, cool, whatever.  Seems like a downgrade personally, something he could have achieved by looking at his brother or even other people's illusions but sure.  But now he has two different colored eyes, one's purple now, and the Sharigan has went through a whole slew of changes that I have no idea about.

I still am left to believe that Hiei's Jagan letting him just see through any illusion, read minds and mind wipe people would just let him know what Sasuke would be doing anyways, so dunno how much it would matter in the end.  Kind of a Mewtwo/Shadow deal.
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Post by: Person Man on September 11, 2019, 11:44:09 pm
Ow the edge

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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 12, 2019, 05:39:32 am
I'm very interested to see how this is even supposed to be a match, there's probably something from the Yu Yu manga I'm missing
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Post by: Person Man on September 12, 2019, 01:41:53 pm
Hiei does have a particular set of immunities that gimp a lot of Sasuke's biggest stuff.  He's completely invulnerable to fire-based attacks, which rules out Amaterasu.  Plus, his Jagan Eye gives him resistance to mental attacks and illusions which would nerf, if not outright nullify, any sort of genjutsu.

It's probably going to come down to Dragon of Darkness Flame vs Susanoo in terms of raw power, but I still feel like they're going to give it to Sasuke.

:EDIT:  And here he is.

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Post by: -Greed- on September 25, 2019, 09:51:36 pm


It's up, everyone.

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Post by: Long John Killer on September 26, 2019, 12:46:07 am
I....really don't recall Hiei matching Yusuke at the end of the series.  I remember numerous times he got shafted to the sidelines after the protag got a big enough buff and then he went to work with the demon woman who ran the trio that ran Hell with the whole sad rape story.  Oh well, it has been over a decade since I touched a copy of the series, neat battle nonetheless.

Next battle seems....exceedingly one-sided once again?  Admittingly, a really cool match, I look forward to seeing it just because of the character parallels, but come on.  So once again I suppose they'll make it seem more close a match-up, but Dracula can not kill Ganondorf, numerous people can kill Dracula without any real special tools, there are just those that are more affective.  Add Ganondorf's unlimited physical and magical power and....yeah.  Also Ganondorf can take a castle falling on him and be fine.  They're going to have Castlevania fall down on top of the two, I can feel it.
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Post by: Person Man on September 26, 2019, 01:13:39 am
Gotta love how whenever they have an anime vs anime fight they know they have to spend an extra 5 minutes of the video showing their work at the end to try and stem the tide of "ackchyually" comments.

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Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2019, 01:17:30 am
Next battle seems....exceedingly one-sided once again?  Admittingly, a really cool match, I look forward to seeing it just because of the character parallels, but come on.  So once again I suppose they'll make it seem more close a match-up, but Dracula can not kill Ganondorf, numerous people can kill Dracula without any real special tools, there are just those that are more affective.
Not... really. At least not anymore (all those weird sidegames where various non-Belmont protagonists manage to kill Dracula are a grey area), after IGA took over and straightened out the continuity into something somewhat coherent. Dracula very specifically can only be killed by a Belmont wielding the Vampire Killer, or someone wielding his own power against him (e.g., Alucard or Shanoa using the Dominus glyph). The last mainline, non-Lords of Shadow Castlevania was pretty clear about that. Presumably the non-Belmont supporting characters like Sypha, Eric, Charlotte, etc. can help to wear Dracula down, but are incapable of delivering a killing blow and keeping him from just regenerating everything. And even then he'll just come back in a 100 years or less, somewhat like Gannondorf.

I honestly don't know who has the edge here; while both characters are described as having near limitless power (Dracula is essentially the straight up devil in the world of Castlevania: king of all monsters and demons and is even considered to be God's opposite by the crazy cult from Dawn of Sorrow) that nonetheless doesn't seem to translate that much to what they show off in-game. Perhaps its better to take all that talk of Ganon and Dracula having unlimited physical and or magical power as mere poetic license.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 26, 2019, 01:35:12 am
Oh.  I did not know they had some clarification similar to Zelda's Hyrule Historia on the matter.  I was taking those side characters into account on possible Dracula deaths.   Well....then at least Ganondorf's Triforce piece should be enough to demolish Hyrule, considering its power source is the raw power the Goddesses used in making it to begin with.  Forget if they mean the planet, the continent or the kingdom, but regardless I'm imagining that much is in Ganon's favor.
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Post by: Person Man on September 26, 2019, 01:39:03 am
I think they're probably going to ditch the requirements that both of them can only be killed by one very specific dude for the sake of actually making an episode out of it.  "Dracula can only be killed by a Belmont / It is written only Link can defeat Ganon" would make for a pretty circular argument.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 26, 2019, 01:41:10 am
That would also help.  Would be a weird way to end the stalemate by Dracula having to just hold the battle on pause for a minute until he can find a holy weapon left somewhere in his castle's armory or Ganondorf needs to summon some minion to fetch one for him.  I'd be fine with that, they did that waaaaaay back with Raiden versus Thor as well.

Actually, hold the fort; Ganondorf has a freaking holy weapon.  The Twilight Princess Ganondorf kept the sword from his own execution.  Granted, that shouldn't come into play when using the OoT Ganondorf like they are but...that's never stopped them with anything Zelda prior.  Granted part of that is old rules that were around, the ones applying to Cloud vs Link and Peach vs Zelda were both ridiculous and not plausible with any of the characters in play but still, something to keep in mind at least.  It gets referenced in Smash even, it's not like it's a forgotten detail.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2019, 04:37:52 am
Having a holy weapon doesn't really mean jack; it's gotta be the Vampire Killer or bust. Lots of characters have holy weapons in Castlevania, or are capable of wielding holy magic, but it just isn't enough. If it ain't powered by the soul of a human who was transforming into a vampire, it isn't the perfect weapon to kill vampires, especially not the ones who are otherwise immortal like Walter and later Dracula!

Well....then at least Ganondorf's Triforce piece should be enough to demolish Hyrule, considering its power source is the raw power the Goddesses used in making it to begin with.  Forget if they mean the planet, the continent or the kingdom, but regardless I'm imagining that much is in Ganon's favor.
This is one of those things where the text repeatedly makes wild claims like this, but the character never comes even remotely close to displaying even a fraction of that power. That's why it really only makes sense to compare actual, concrete feats.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 26, 2019, 06:03:31 am
That was the lowball I was trying to go off of facts we do have established without relying on Ganondorf running around like Palpatine yelling "unlimited power".  We know the Goddesses made the land of Hyrule and that power was put into the piece of the Triforce that Ganondorf has so at least his power should be around that level.  Supposedly.

I mean, JUST off of what Ganon does is, what, as a human OoT lifted a stone pillar, TP lifted a giant by its neck and choked it out, WW, uh....took twirling classes for his swordplay.  Yeah, specifically what they do limited just to gameplay isn't that amazing for either of them, both really ride on their lore building them up.  Well, guess we'll just have to see how much faith DB puts into that.

Honestly I just really want to see the 3D animation here more than worrying who wins, OoT Ganon duking it out with transformed demon Dracula.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2019, 06:15:43 am
One of the reasons why I like the pairing so much: those two both talk mad shit about how awesome and powerful they are, and yet both are constantly getting punked by normal ass dudes with swords or whips.

Or sometimes both.
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Post by: lui on September 26, 2019, 01:25:41 pm
Ganondorf gets a special place in my heart for being a boss that can be taken down by a fucking butterfly net
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2019, 11:47:28 pm
So this week's Death Battle Cast pointed out that DevilArtemis is working on the animation for the next fight between Ganondorf and Dracula.  So...expect it to be pretty nice animation.



But also expect it to get probably weird, knowing he is, well, weird with his sense of humor.

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Post by: Negi Springfield on September 30, 2019, 10:10:53 pm
Thought this series was dead.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 01, 2019, 07:15:17 pm
Killmonger's actor was a bit cringe.
Bats was pretty good though
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Post by: Person Man on October 02, 2019, 07:47:42 pm
Captain Falcon

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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 16, 2019, 10:22:14 pm
Surprising
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Post by: Person Man on October 16, 2019, 11:55:04 pm
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Next up is Mob vs Tatsumaki.  I've not seen Mob Psycho 100, but I do know ONE's propensity for writing indescribably OP characters pretty well.  Should be interesting to see how strong OPM-level characters really are when they start crunching the numbers.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 17, 2019, 12:20:58 am
Nnnnn-nah.  Real cool animation, but kind of really downplaying the Goddesses' power thus Ganondorf's.  I mean, they say it's limitless for a reason.  The three each took different roles in the creation of the living world, one did the people, one did....nature, I think, I don't have the guide in front of me right now, but Din made the actual planet.  I would imagine that much it being planetary wouldn't be up for debate.

Ah well, whatever.  Like I said, nice animation.  Next fight is another little to no interest one for me.  But I seem to recall the guy behind both properties having already discussed this topic on Twitter or some Q&A and gave it to Tatsumaki.  But we could have another Dante vs Bayonetta situation going on here, DB could just outright ignore that Word of God.  They've said on DBC they often do.  I thought the fan desired match-up online with this Mob fella was with Kaneda from Akira anyways, I know there's Kaneda sprites out there to work with so that wouldn't be an issue on their part.

Also, this fight was a lot less weird than I was expecting it, considering DevilArtimis worked on it.  Dunno if I'm disappointed on that or not, I was vaguely expecting Kermit the Frog somewhere in it for around two weeks.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 17, 2019, 12:35:06 am
To be fair, ONE said Tastumaki could beat normal Mob but he isn't sure about Mob at full power

And Mob can absorb the powers of other espers on top of any other bullshit that he does in the final part that hasn't been animated yet
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Post by: MAO11 on October 17, 2019, 02:57:37 pm
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Next up is Mob vs Tatsumaki.  I've not seen Mob Psycho 100, but I do know ONE's propensity for writing indescribably OP characters pretty well.  Should be interesting to see how strong OPM-level characters really are when they start crunching the numbers.

one already said mob is superior to tatsumaki. so there's no point.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 19, 2019, 03:06:48 am
Nnnnn-nah.  Real cool animation, but kind of really downplaying the Goddesses' power thus Ganondorf's.  I mean, they say it's limitless for a reason.  The three each took different roles in the creation of the living world, one did the people, one did....nature, I think, I don't have the guide in front of me right now, but Din made the actual planet.  I would imagine that much it being planetary wouldn't be up for debate.
Sure, Din made a planet, and the Triforce of Power supposedly contains all her powers, but... Ganondorf's never come even remotely close to displaying anything like that level of power, ever. It's probably safe to say that no mortal, not even an unkillable incarnation of a demon's hate, is capable of wielding the full power of the Triforce. But even if one were to assume that Ganon is capable of outputting enough energy to create a planet, as the Death Battle guys did, Dracula's got him trumped because his theoretical max power output (that he also has never come close to displaying in any of his apperances) is universal level.

All in all, I think it was a pretty reasonable analysis (aside from the implication that Link and various Belmonts/Soma have reaction speeds approaching the speed of light, which is... wild); I didn't know that Demonic Meggido is supposed to be a holy attack (I do wonder if that description of that is a super faithful translation, cuz that seems odd), but if it is, that seems like it'd make this matchup a slam dunk in Drac's favor.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 19, 2019, 03:42:19 am
What I want to know is what do they mean in their end of battle breakdown they say the Triforce of Power has been overpowered in the original Legend of Zelda and Twilight Princess?  I don't think beating Ganon via sword swings should count as overpowering someone with more strength, that's like saying a bullet is stronger than a heavyweight lifter.  And Twilight Princess?  Ganondorf mopped the floor with Midna's Fused Shadow.  It's why there was a final battle in the field set ablaze at all, because the game seemed all wrapped up and finished having Midna go final form on him then it did nothing.

I have admittingly not played either the original in 100% full in a good long while nor Twilight Princess since the HD rerelease a few years back, so maybe I'm just blanking on something, but in a battle of raw power I can not recall anything in Zelda defeating the literal source of power.

What is that Demonic Meggido description quote from anyways, I evidently am not familiar with this game and that seems rather contradictory to Dracula's, well, whole deal with how his powers work.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 21, 2019, 12:03:04 am
So XvX has joined up with Hyun's Dojo
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 22, 2019, 02:08:03 am
I have admittingly not played either the original in 100% full in a good long while nor Twilight Princess since the HD rerelease a few years back, so maybe I'm just blanking on something, but in a battle of raw power I can not recall anything in Zelda defeating the literal source of power.
Nothing in the world of Zelda may have overpowered it, but that doesn't at all mean its power is thus unlimited. Ganon has never shown any feats that come even remotely close to wielding enough power to create a planet.

What is that Demonic Meggido description quote from anyways, I evidently am not familiar with this game and that seems rather contradictory to Dracula's, well, whole deal with how his powers work.
In addition to being used by Drac, It's also an attack usable by one of the demon helpers in Curse of Darkness, and the description comes from there.
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Post by: Person Man on October 22, 2019, 02:43:23 am
As far as overpowering Dorf's triforce, the argument could also be made that Power is routinely defeated by superior Courage and Wisdom, on both of which Dracula arguably has the edge over Ganon.

:EDIT:  Mafia

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Post by: -Greed- on October 28, 2019, 04:03:52 am


Vampire fight time.
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Post by: Person Man on October 30, 2019, 11:08:07 pm
Senpukyaku

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Post by: D.R.B on November 06, 2019, 09:42:32 pm


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Post by: Person Man on November 07, 2019, 12:02:50 am
Really weird animation in this one.  It looks like they had four or five different animators working on this but no unified style guide for any of them.  Made it look super weird when it kept jumping between pixel art and hand-drawn animation.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 07, 2019, 12:50:59 am
Yeah, ok, the next fight feels oddly like a vendetta.  Which don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like Deadpool much either, but in just the initial reveal setting it up as a match made for him to lose?

Now the particulars about that, it's been a long while since I've needed to think about Big Head, but yeah, he probably could pull it off.  If not through a fair fight just completely obliterating Deadpool beyond his broken healing factor, immortal soul and all, then can't he just, like, do something similar to Dreadpool in the "Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe" series and step outside their reality to ours and kill the animators or something?  Very Gwenpool-esque.

I'd imagine Deadpool would realize Big Head's cartoon physics and realize he would need something like The Dip from Who Framed Rodger Rabbit, but it's not exactly like it's something he carries with him or can acquire.  And he can't just remove the mask merged with the person and with his Looney Toons form he can't cause any harm to Big Head.  Well, guess we'll see soon enough.

Spoiler: As for this fight (click to see content)
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 07, 2019, 05:42:16 am
I don't remember the first movie too much, but I do remember seeing Son of the Mask (terrible sequel, by the way), and I do remember the dog (who was wearing the mask at the time) being beat by the baby (because it had the powers too). Enough damage to the host would separate them from the Mask. But, it is a powerful character, ending in a stalemate with Loki, who I believe was the creator of the Mask.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 07, 2019, 05:54:55 am
Well....damned if I remember WHICH, I do recall the Mask being brought up in a past Death Battle Cast from a while ago, where he was used as an example where outside canon sources would be exempt, and Son of the Mask was the key example as to what they would ignore.

Because yeah, who would willingly want to cite Son of the Mask?  And besides being just terrible on all fronts, it doesn't much line up with the comics.  Or the previous movie.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 07, 2019, 06:31:57 pm
With the last battle, I had a hunch that Tatsumaki would win... but my thought process was always about "She could easily prevent Mob from reaching 100% with her psychic abilities" and not so much the fact that she had better training, better use of her skills and being able to switch from offense to defense on the fly.

Now, this next battle... All I know of The Mask is the first movie. It's a great movie and all, but my biggest issue here is this: What does the Mask have that can effectively kill off Deadpool?
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Post by: Person Man on November 07, 2019, 06:42:26 pm
Cartoon physics, effectively.  The Mask operates at a Looney Tunes/Tom and Jerry level of over the top violence, but with the level of actual, real world damage that violence would cause in real life.  Also functional immortality/invulnerability because he takes hits like a cartoon character does, if I’m not mistaken.

Basically he gets to operate on cartoon logic while those around him don’t.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 07, 2019, 10:28:27 pm
Basically if Big Head decides that Wade reminds him of a burger patty, then he's on a bun and that's all she wrote

The conceit of the Mask however, and this is as true in the comics as it was everywhere else, is that if the wearer decides to remove it themselves then it's over for them

And they ALWAYS get tricked or decide to remove it without fail because becoming Big Head is a strain on the psyche
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Post by: Person Man on November 13, 2019, 11:47:46 pm
Deathstroke

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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 14, 2019, 12:47:48 am
"Deadpool won't leave Death Battle"

Truer words hath naught been stated
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 14, 2019, 01:31:27 am
You technecally had it true before the edit too, a death stroke is often at the end of these.

I somewhat want them to keep Deadpool's breakdown equally as short in the full video as well, to keep with the ongoing joke that yeah, we all already know what his deal is, move on to something new.  But I doubt it, it wouldn't be fair to those who missed the last two and they've said in DBC plenty of times how even returning characters are restudied from the ground up.

Speaking of which, last week's DBC hinted at them considering redoing Link vs Cloud.  Which yes please, that's one of my favorite match-ups as well as one of my least favorite videos from them, they straight-up admitted in DBC it was unfairly made to be Smash Bros. Link versus Dissidia Cloud, and Dissidia is a terribly poor source to base these characters off of, they're way too different and certainly nerfed versions of them, to say nothing of the non-canon fest that is Smash Bros.  Plus the whole video was very....I dunno, mean spirited to people liking either Link, Cloud or both.  It was very dismissive of both for some reason.

But I shouldn't hype myself on a possible maybe someday sort of statement.  I just do hope they do so once VII Remake comes out.
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Post by: Person Man on November 21, 2019, 12:21:34 am
Mask☆DeMasque

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Post by: D.R.B on November 25, 2019, 12:52:47 am
Yanderes are scary
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Post by: D.R.B on November 27, 2019, 09:52:38 pm
4th wall breakers death match is on
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 27, 2019, 11:25:34 pm
Oh joy, they're making fun of people making fun of them for their past mistakes with episodes.  Link vs Cloud, WW vs Rogue, Goku vs Superman, Tifa vs Yang and Toph vs Garra.  Cheeky.  Ha-larious.

Though, to be fair, I never really got the complaints behind Toph vs Garra.  The main counter-arguments I've seen repeated seem to be the opposite of how Garra operates and later Avatar comics seem to help Toph's case even more.  But whatever, at least they're not blind to people disagreeing with those ones in particular heavily?  Surprised Ben 10 isn't up there too though.

Weird episode, as was to be expected.  S'alright.  Not particularly looking forward to the next one but I've seen them discuss it in DBC previously on it being highly requested, so not shocked.  Doesn't really scream "season finale" to me though.

Spoiler: One point of confusion though (click to see content)
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Post by: Person Man on November 28, 2019, 01:34:22 am
That was one of the more creative episodes they've had in a while.  I'm impressed.  The Pinkie Pie cameo was a fun little touch, too.

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Next match skews heavily in All Might's favor.  Besides being a straight-up Superman expy, his punch is strong enough to change the local weather with sheer air pressure alone. I don't ever recall Might Guy doing anything that nuts.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 28, 2019, 03:02:26 am
Kind of figured this would be a rout since The Mask is literally a living, breathing cartoon character in a somewhat real world. Plus, it was all about getting rid of Deadpool anyway..

As for the next match... Might Guy is known as the strongest taijutsu user in the Naruto series. He took on a fully powered Madara and held him off long enough for Naruto and Sasuke to power up (at the price of his leg, though). He might be a bit of a dork, but he can definitely put up a fight.

The big question is very simple: Can All Might wear down Might Guy before the time limit expires for All Might?
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Post by: Person Man on November 28, 2019, 03:52:01 am
Thing is, to get even anywhere close to All Might's level Guy would have to go to Eighth Gate Release, which would give him an even shorter time limit.  And even then he gains the Deku problem in that actually using that much power does as much damage to himself as it does the opponent.
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Post by: Prime SC on November 28, 2019, 04:30:44 am
i think all mights "united states of smash" is gonna collide with guys "evening elephant" or "night guy" and all might is gonna win then their gonna do their usual calculations etc. i dont really see might guy surviving this
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 28, 2019, 06:10:22 am
Thing is, to get even anywhere close to All Might's level Guy would have to go to Eighth Gate Release, which would give him an even shorter time limit.  And even then he gains the Deku problem in that actually using that much power does as much damage to himself as it does the opponent.

If he has to use it, it might be worth it considering that All Might has 3 hours to use his powers before he returns to his rather sickly looking human self.
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Post by: Foobs on November 28, 2019, 06:11:18 am
Seems unfair to use All Might at his lowest point if Guy is fighting with all of his limbs attached. I imagine they'll go with the middle of the road All Might (i. e. just before giving OFA to Midoriya) who can go full ham for some 3 hours a day.

Edit: ah Ninja'd

The problem is that we don't really know All Might's limits. The only point in the story in which he's neither holding back nor crippled by his wounds was during his first match against All For One, and we've only seen the aftermath of that fight. We know that even at his lowest he's so overpowered he can run circles around all the other pro heroes, but that's a pretty nebulous point of reference, unless you make some bullshit equivalence like average pro hero = average jounin.
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Post by: Laharl on November 28, 2019, 08:40:49 am
the movie kind of showed all might in his prime but didn't really showcase how strong he was. honestly even if we go with this is all might when he can use his powers for an infinite amount of time he probably still wins this. Gai is strong but all might? hes basically anime superman.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 04, 2019, 10:25:01 am
Super Power Beatdown has returned
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Post by: Person Man on December 05, 2019, 12:43:03 am
Johnny Bravo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWbmyICGoJ8)

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 05, 2019, 11:35:08 pm
I genuinely think next match will have might guy i kill all might and then die resulting in a draw. If he managed to get hospitalized before it shows he isn't invulnerable.


(inb4 "its seth the programmer so i'm not gonna watch")
I see no way all might can win this unless they wank a NLF
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Post by: Person Man on December 12, 2019, 01:00:59 am
Some Guy

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Post by: Dumanios on December 18, 2019, 09:26:26 pm


Mighty Guys Fight.

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Post by: Person Man on December 18, 2019, 10:36:48 pm
One of the more egregious examples of “we don’t have hard data for this character so we’ll use another character’s feat and just assume this one is stronger than that” but whatever.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 19, 2019, 01:23:53 am
Oh, the new season date also teases multiple characters showing up.  Some I do not know, but I can place a few and possibly their match-up.

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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 19, 2019, 11:29:57 am
A rare Rewind Rumble that's animated really well. Don't agree with the outcome though.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 03, 2020, 02:03:11 am
Latest Death Battle Cast revealed the next Death Battle.  It's Miles Morales versus Static Shock.

Has Miles actually grown beyond being the new generation's teenage Spider-Man?  I know Vergil actually moved on and grew at some point, but I've never cared to read Miles stuff, or much Spider-Man anything recently really.

If his skillset is just your stock Spider-Man though, it's that versus a Storm + Magneto fusion, I'm left to believe Static has this fairly easy and Miles would just be another daily mutant nuisance to deal with.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 03, 2020, 02:23:18 am
Miles Morales has the powers that Peter does although his spider-sense is less developed (it only warns him of immediate danger, for instance, he can't focus it to fight blind or anything), he's also arguably weaker physically than Peter based on youth. His most powerful abilities are the ability to turn invisible and a move he calls the venom blast where he channels his own bioelectricity into a stungun move. However it is electricity and Static heals from electricity.

Miles may still have the edge though by virtue of being a Spider-Man, a class that has been battling electric powered nuisances for 60 years
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 03, 2020, 03:17:37 am
Yeah, Vergil I seem to recall can track invisible foes in the BTAS crossover (Or maybe the STAS one?  One of the DCAU crossovers that's not Justice League stuff) by sensing their bio-energy life force typical aura stuff.  And as you said, Static has a hard counter to that move if it's electric-based.  And his stock spidey-sense hack being a weaker variant isn't doing him any favors.

I'm leaning Vergil this match.
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Post by: Person Man on January 20, 2020, 08:40:23 pm
Miles Edgeworth



Static Cling

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Post by: D.R.B on January 27, 2020, 09:15:01 pm
its on


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for next battle
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Post by: Seadragon77 on January 28, 2020, 12:14:01 am
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Post by: Person Man on January 29, 2020, 12:10:29 am
The animation in this episode was a real step up.  Not sure how I feel about how... toothy the new looks for Wiz and Boomstick are, but they definitely were more expressive with a better range of motion.  The fight looked great, too.

Next up is the sequel to Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe that nobody wanted.  I know next to nothing about either of these characters, so I'm inclined to give the edge to the usual DC comics batshit bonkers power scaling.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on January 29, 2020, 01:01:27 am
As I said before, experience will be more then enough for Black Canary to win here. She's also a strong martial artist as well, which should be key here.

Sindel might have an advantage if they give her that Kwan Do she uses in MK11. That gives her an edge in reach, but that's all I can think of unless they give her the power boost from the souls in MK9. As I said before, I don't know if that's kosher.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 29, 2020, 02:55:53 am
Eh.  DB takes the characters at their strongest without temporary boosts applied.  The Shao Khan/Quan Chi boost was intended to last, which let her effortlessly take on all of Earthrealm's heroes at once and kill the lion's share of them before taken out by Nightwolf's kamikaze....but then it doesn't last as a revenant when directly serving Quan Chi.  Hard to tell which they'd pick, honestly, but if I had to pick they'll probably go with the powered up one from MK9 since it's also where she's most infamous from.

Black Canary is one of the most prominent secondary D.C. hero characters that I know of.  She exists, she's there helping, but never really ever anything monumental that I've read or seen.  At least through her super powers/combat skills.  But I also haven't actively sought out her feats before.  At most she should be comparable a fighter to Sonya's combat training, whom Sindel obliterated, and her super screech, while destructive, can be canceled by another's super voice.  Which Sindel has.

If they use the depowered Sindel then I won't be too shocked if Black Canary pulled a win from some ridiculous comic feat, but if not then I think you essentially got Canary fighting herself but thousands of years older, plus double magic buffs and has proven to easily beat a martial artist of her caliber easily.  Granted, like, 99% of that extended lifespan was spent in peacetime, so Canary might even have better combat experience, but still.

Anyways, so hey, the new episode was nice and all, but does it strike anyone else as odd the first match-up of the year between two kids not yet old enough to drink is sponsored by beer?
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2020, 06:57:35 am
Black Canary is one of the most prominent secondary D.C. hero characters that I know of.  She exists, she's there helping, but never really ever anything monumental that I've read or seen.  At least through her super powers/combat skills.  But I also haven't actively sought out her feats before.  At most she should be comparable a fighter to Sonya's combat training, whom Sindel obliterated
I don't really know much about MK characters but even so, this seems like a wildly unfair comparison. Black Canary doesn't just have "combat training", like some basic soldier: she's one of the top martial artists in the DC universe, able to go toe-to-toe with heavyweights like Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, and Batman (who she has bested in combat!). She's been trained by the absolute best, and is more than their equal. There's a reason why she's gone through long periods without any powers at all, and even still been a force to be reckoned with.

I'm sure all that magic bullshit will lead to Black Canary losing, but if this was just a hand to hand fight, I think one would be very hard pressed to argue against her coming out on top.
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 29, 2020, 07:06:22 am
Well, a common unpopular reoccurance Death Battle has with MK characters is that the mini-games are canon to their feats of strength, which....is for the most part hardly comparable to what they actually do in the various stories, yet DB has all of them able to karate chop effortlessly through diamond and/or titanium.  So Canary does also have that going against her as well.
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Post by: Darkflare on January 29, 2020, 09:09:15 am
Black Canary is going to win because Comic Books are BS.
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Post by: Person Man on February 04, 2020, 12:01:26 am
Canary Mary



Cinderella

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Post by: D.R.B on February 10, 2020, 10:04:15 pm


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Post by: Long John Killer on February 10, 2020, 11:22:19 pm
Jesus Christ those sprite edits.  Those are rough looking models for them.

Yeah, countering "One is so physically superior to the other that they can lightly tap them and atomize them" with "But the other one doesn't typically die fighting other people stronger than themselves, so it doesn't count" doesn't sound right to me.  When the physical difference is so impossibly vast to overcome like that, it's hard to imagine one's martial arts mastery being a bit beyond the other's helping, especially when Sindel's not exactly a novice herself.

That said, Sindel's physical superiority also bundles in that ridiculous Test Your Might mini-game throwaway that really shouldn't be included to begin with, so eh, whatever.

Next episode's cool.  I guess it's really only there to make up for Rangers losing all the time and TMNT winning all the time, though.  I can't imagine what Leonardo by himself without the usual TMNT tech would do against the Dinozord.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on February 10, 2020, 11:42:26 pm
I'm more impressed with the fact that they figured out how many decibels each scream had. 235 decibels is nothing to sneeze at, but when you have someone that bust out 300 decibels (AKA Krakatoa) on a consistent basis... yeah.

Oh, and I'm glad they didn't factor in the metric shit ton of souls she absorbed in MK9.

As for the next fight: It'll be the first time any of the Turtles have been in Death Battle since Season 1 (The Battle Royale, then the battle between Leo and Zitz). I'm hoping there is new weapons and info on Leo that can give him a chance against Jason.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 10, 2020, 11:47:32 pm
The physical difference being a key factor to them bugs me the more I think about it, because in one of their previous DBCs (Probably around Ganondorf vs Dracula) they mentioned how statistically, when putting heroes against villains, like Link vs Ganondorf and Simon vs Dracula, Link and Simon would lose 100% of the time in Death Battle.  Because of the physical superiority far exceeding any fighting talent or training.

Consistency on that would be nice, is all.
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Post by: Person Man on February 17, 2020, 07:32:04 pm
Da Vinci

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Post by: Seadragon77 on February 18, 2020, 12:59:29 am
The physical difference being a key factor to them bugs me the more I think about it, because in one of their previous DBCs (Probably around Ganondorf vs Dracula) they mentioned how statistically, when putting heroes against villains, like Link vs Ganondorf and Simon vs Dracula, Link and Simon would lose 100% of the time in Death Battle.  Because of the physical superiority far exceeding any fighting talent or training.

Consistency on that would be nice, is all.

I understand where you're getting at here and they answered it on the last Death Battle Cast. They mentioned that speed tends to triumph over strength most of the time... You can't exactly hit her hard enough to kill her if she can react down to the nanosecond and counter.
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Post by: Person Man on February 20, 2020, 03:40:57 am
Press X to Jason

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Post by: Person Man on February 24, 2020, 11:39:42 pm
Episode's out:



Next battle is Genos vs War Machine.

Past Death Battle precedent says American comic book power scaling usually trumps flashy anime bullshit,  but One-Punch Man characters are in a league of their own when it comes to insane power levels so who knows.  My first instinct says that Genos' fully cybernetic body would give him the edge over War Machine's armor.  All he'd have to do is get  through the robot suit and get to the squishy regular guy meats inside.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on February 25, 2020, 03:22:55 am
Though Genos has a habit of getting wrecked.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 25, 2020, 04:22:54 am
Genos may be anime, but he's also the ultimate jobber

And I have a feeling they're going to also take feats from tony saying they're the same basic armor so there's that
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 26, 2020, 01:01:44 am
Were they not the same basic armor at the time of acquiring it?  Then the US military tinkered with the weaponry to better suit their needs.  Tony's made better armors since, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be comparable to whatever mark suit Tony had at the time Rhodes got his suit.

I'm only familiar with the first season of OPM and its been a while.  I recall Genos' weaponry being inconsistent though.  His basic cyborg body when he got his sparring match with Saitama obliterated an entire mountain range.  But his upgraded suit couldn't scratch or slow the decent of a meteor.  I suppose we can chalk that up to not knowing the material the meteor was made of....but I don't recall its composition being anything substantial to the plot, it was probably just iron and nickel and the mountain range was some form of sandstone.  And I don't know if he has had any upgrades since.

But I'd imagine if nothing else War Machine flies circles around Genos in speed.  It being any form of Iron Man suit likely trumps Genos running full speed with Saitama to get from city to city at, like, 70 mph.  Though again, season 1 only, I am quite behind on the series.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 26, 2020, 02:21:40 am
Were they not the same basic armor at the time of acquiring it?  Then the US military tinkered with the weaponry to better suit their needs.  Tony's made better armors since, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be comparable to whatever mark suit Tony had at the time Rhodes got his suit.

That's just the movie, Doc

The War Machine armor was specifically built by Tony and modified for Rhodey by him, it's based off the Modular Armor (the Capcom sprite armor in layman's terms)

He's also had different suits, one was basically a symbiote, one was literally a Sentinel, the last time I was reading Iron Man it was a tank

But the one they'll use will most likely be the last model (once again built by Tony)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/2/2b/James_Rhodes_%28Earth-616%29_from_Iron_Man_2.0_Vol_1_7.1_Cover.jpg)

It has a Elite-style cloaking mode, technology taken from the villain Ghost which as you may surmise from the name makes the unit intangible, and a combat mode

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/31/Iron_Man_2.0_Vol_1_1_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110519223102)

Which turns it into War Machine, which was always at its basic level the Hummer to Iron Man's coupe
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Post by: Person Man on February 26, 2020, 02:49:38 am
Genos may be anime, but he's also the ultimate jobber

This is very true.  Genos does get Worfed on a pretty regular basis.  But at OPM levels of scaling, even being just the guy whose job it is to get merc'd to show how strong other characters are still makes him obscenely powerful.

He's also got durability on his side.  Genos regularly gets dismembered, chopped up, and cut in actual half, but still manages to put up a decent fight.  Rhodey would be comparatively super easy to kill if any of his tech failed in a similar way.
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Post by: -Greed- on February 27, 2020, 04:41:24 pm
Genos also makes fairly frequent and significant leaps in power as he is upgraded.  While it's usually first used on a strong but manageable enemy, then a much stronger one shows up to worf the shit out of Genos, there's no denying that he's continued to improve and be upgraded.

Also, I don't recall an Iron man suit capable of almost instantaneous flash stepping the way Genos' later bodies are capable of, or with anything close to Genos' incineration cannon.
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Post by: Person Man on March 02, 2020, 11:48:34 pm
Mallows



War Pigs

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Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2020, 07:30:08 pm
Episode's out.


I know they were going for a new thing with the people who animated the Deadpool/Mask episode trying to be more serious, but to me it comes across more stilted.  Action doesn't have much "oomph" behind it.

Zero idea on the next two characters.  Not series I follow, seems another ice-based fight I guess.
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Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2020, 11:43:15 pm
Gray is Fairy Tail's answer to Sasuke, but somehow manages to be even less memorable or well developed.  I read that entire series and literally the only thing I can remember about Gray is that he's a nudist.

Never even heard of Esdeath, so IDK what her deal is.
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Post by: D.R.B on March 10, 2020, 12:18:58 am
Esdeath is from a short series named Akame Ga Kill, I always thought its overrated, I only saw the anime and while people say the manga is better I never bothered with it still, Esdeath has ice based ability and she can even Feeze Time itself, Fairy Tail was much longer, but I have no much idea about it ether , kind of dispointd with the choice was hoping that Gray fight a protagonist when I saw him, maybe we would see a villain win again
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 10, 2020, 01:49:43 am
Episode's out.

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I think this is gonna come down to whatever Endgame Gray is, because I stopped reading Fairy Tail like a few hundred chapters in

But he's the Zoro of that book, which means he's always scaling up and Esdeath was an antagonist through and through which means she was always pretty much at her peak
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2020, 02:09:56 am
Ice-based powers, but "freezes" time....ugh.  Puns are a bad source of inspiration for superpowers.

I'm for the most part on your side, shonen protagonist or protagonist-adjacent typically ends you up at a further point on the power scale compared to shonen antagonists.  Like how these days pretty sure most of the Z Fighters can kill Super Perfect Cell without too much issue.  But time manipulation is a nice screw-over ability if he doesn't have a proper counter.  Unless he's, like, immune to ice or super resistant at least so there's not much she can do during the opening a time stop offers.  Like Mega Man vs Astro Boy.
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Post by: Person Man on March 16, 2020, 10:49:04 pm
Monochrome



Exdeath

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Post by: D.R.B on March 23, 2020, 08:53:05 pm


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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2020, 09:47:09 pm
So next fight is I guess this season's mandatory joke fight.  Goro vs Machamp has been requested a hell of a lot over the years, not going to lie.  But it's also clearly just for the laughs.  I guess it's just going to be a matter of how hard Machamp wins.

Beyond curiosity of how they'll set this up, does Shao Khan, like, invade Pokémon world for konquest and Goro fights Elite Four Bruno or something, because otherwise Machamp is in no way remotely a "character" in Pokemon, it's a species, something to check off in the adventure log they call the pokedex in that game series, I'm curious how this will reflect their standing on the pokedex?  Unlike more prominent pokemon like Charizard or even other popular ones like Gardevoir getting something of a role in one of the more recent movies, Machamp doesn't have a prominent trainer to call on it often besides, well, Bruno as part of gen 1's end bosses really as far as I know.  So for most of their info they're probably going to have to go off of the dex's info, which they've been previously adverse to because of its contradictions and impossibilities.  Which then Pokemon as a series tends to just often have happen in canon anyways, like people debating Gardevoir's black hole powers until Pokken just made it a thing they straight-up just do.  Pokken has displayed examples of Machamp's 1000 punches in 2 seconds feat as possible as well, don't know if we've yet ever seen Machop lifting 10,000 tons, Machamp throwing an opponent beyond the planet's horizon or them pushing an entire mountain with one arm in any media though.

Given this is likely the joke match (It comes out around April Fool's Day as well, doesn't it?) I wouldn't be surprised for this case they just give Machamp all of its dex stuff, there's too little to work without it anyways.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on March 24, 2020, 12:19:07 am
Pokkén Machamp is one of the most amazing interpretations of a Pokémon. He has so much personality and I'd be glad if they went with that.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2020, 12:34:34 am
I'm trying to imagine a possible upset they could possibly pull out of this, and I guess Goro has kunai in whichever 3D MK title it was that gave weapons to everyone, Deception I believe, and he likely has a higher durability taking hits from the Wrath Hammer of Shao Khan, whereas Machamp does have lower defenses than average in Pokémon stats.  But that defense isn't going to matter much when Goro's getting hit by 1000 mountain-moving blows in 2 seconds.  It's not even like Goro would have the training advantage, because Machamps are somehow naturally a master at all martial arts or something to that degree if I recall one of the dex entries correctly?

I don't want to be overconfident but there is something funny about it being a match of the best of the Shokan beating many entire worlds in the name of Shao Khan.....who likely has no chance against this mostly average monster than Pokémon just has wandering about and often loses to birds.

Is there any way we can attribute Goro's dragon blood to make him Dragon-type so Fighting moves would be not very effective?  Or reason why his moves would be Flying or Psychic?  And yes, I do realize how ridiculous those questions are.
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Post by: Person Man on March 24, 2020, 02:07:58 am
I'm not particularly versed in Machamp lore (if there is such a thing as Machamp lore) but their last two videos with Johnny Cage and Sindel would seem to indicate that Goro will take the L here.  Previous trends in their data imply that Mortal Kombat feats, while exceptionally violent, don't actually scale to particularly large amounts of power.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2020, 03:02:19 am
That's the thing, there isn't really Machamp lore.  It's just a wild monster with no back story or exceptional use in the series as a whole.  It's like pitting Smaug against the dragon Sephiroth and Zack fought near Nibelheim.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on March 24, 2020, 03:37:26 am
I was thoroughly impressed with Esdeath and what she can do... Beating someone that can eat your ice powers is no easy feat.

The next battle... well, this has curb stomp written all over it. Goro has been a previous Mortal Kombat champion and is strong enough to rip bodies apart. I highly doubt a Machamp can do that... But there a few things that could help Machamp. For Example

-That belt it wears? Apparently it's a power limiter.
-It can move mountains with just one hand.
-It can throw 1000 punches in 2 seconds (each hand throwing 125 punches in one second)

If nothing else, it does have a Gigantmax form and maybe they can use that in this battle... unless that requires an actual trainer to accomplish.
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Post by: Kirishima on March 24, 2020, 03:51:26 am
Does Goro have any sort of durability feat that has him withstand something equivalent to large nukes?  Cause Giga Machamp's dex entry states that it's punches hit just as much as that.  And Dynamax mons don't require any trainer bonding for it to occur judging from the current anime where a wild Snorlax suddenly grew by natural Dynamax energy.  But for all of this to happen, the fight must take place in Galar's Wild Area or a made up area where Dynamax energy flows.

While Machamp is capable of hitting 1000 punches in seconds, if it doesn't finish off Goro, it will be heavily vulnerable to the next attack Goro does.  The effect of Close Combat.  No Guard allows all of its attacks to hit regardless of any evasive boosts or accuracy nerfs so it'll have no problem connecting every attack to Goro like Dynamic Punch that causes confusion with each hit.  Also Giga Machamp's exclusive move enhances Critical attacks so it'll need 2 attacks in this form to deal heavy damage before the Dynamax energy wears off.

If Goro can withstand practically everything that Machamp throws, he wins.  Tho his fight with Kotal Kahn in the comics is giving me doubts.  I think Machamp should have an edge here if it takes place in Galar.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2020, 04:14:04 am
Goro doesn't have anything remotely within the realm the dex stuff notes about Machamp.  I wasn't even considering No Guard, that makes it literally impossible for either of their attacks to miss their targets.  Goro can take a hit from Shao Khan's hammer, but nothing like moving entire natural landmarks like mountains, and he would be getting hit by that each and every hit.

If anything, the dynamax stuff is downplaying its natural abilities.  Which....may or may not be intentional on Game Freak's part, what with that whole thing being an unnatual alien interference and apparently a number of gigantamax form pokemon being worse off than their dynamaxed counterparts.

Goro has been a previous Mortal Kombat champion and is strong enough to rip bodies apart. I highly doubt a Machamp can do that...
I'm fairly sure without the numbers in front of me the strength required to toss anything Machamp would be fighting past the viewable horizon or the now often repeated mountain feat with individual arms would take a lot more strength than whatever the most physically durable fighter is in MK to rip into pieces is.  A mountain of pretty much anything is tougher than a human or cyborg body.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on March 24, 2020, 12:06:18 pm
Is there any way we can attribute Goro's dragon blood to make him Dragon-type so Fighting moves would be not very effective?

Dragon doesn't resist Fighting. Unless they give him the elemental punches, they shouldn't be able to pull that one.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2020, 04:43:30 pm
Huh, I guess it's been a while since I've even attempted, but I could have sworn Dragon resisted it.  Remember it being one of numerous parts why Dragon-type was considered overpowered until they brought in Fairy-type.  Guess it was just the Dragon/Flying guys I was remembering.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on March 24, 2020, 11:54:26 pm
Generally it's because prior to Gen 6, Dragon was only weak to itself and Ice, and was only resisted by Steel, plus it still resists the most common types (Grass, Fire, Water, and Electric), not to mention most Dragon-types are either legendaries or pseudo-legendaries, so they have high base stat totals; Garchomp specifically also has access to STAB Earthquake, so it was quite threatening (and still kinda is).
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Post by: Person Man on March 30, 2020, 11:59:59 pm
Forearm



M'Champ
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Post by: Dumanios on April 06, 2020, 07:25:58 pm


Goro vs. Machamp is out.

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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 06, 2020, 08:22:27 pm
This seems like a freebie

I love Booster and dials, etc etc

But Cable is one of the most powerful telepaths in the marvel universe at half strength with him holding back his techno-organic virus and at full strength he is mutant Jesus

That isn't hyperbole, he has both a clone and an alternate universe version of himself that are nigh unstoppable unless they're fighting each other or handicap themselves out of hubris or insecurity

Even his time travel method is better, there are certain event Booster can't change whereas Cable can do whatever he wants
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 07, 2020, 03:04:50 am
What an unfair matchup they put him in, Booster deserves better than this. :(

Like shit, have him fight Bishop or something.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 07, 2020, 04:38:41 am
Now that would be an actual match!
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 11, 2020, 04:35:42 am
Maybe there is something about Booster Gold that people often overlook? I won't lie that this seems heavily in favor of Cable, and while I don't much care about Death Battle's research too much anymore after multiple examples of several factors being overlooked, it could be like in Goro VS Machamp, where the latter's chances would be dismissed by most until they read the insanities in his dex entries.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on April 13, 2020, 01:43:21 pm
new mini rumble
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Post by: Person Man on April 13, 2020, 11:36:25 pm
The Entire '90s



Buster Brown

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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 17, 2020, 06:11:18 am
Lot of scuttlebutt about his eventual transformation into Waverider being included for Booster, which would definitely tip the scales back the other way
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Post by: D.R.B on April 20, 2020, 07:24:28 pm
Back from the future??

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Post by: Person Man on April 20, 2020, 08:30:41 pm
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Next up is Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Kakashi Hatake - Two talented mentor figures who are both objectively better characters than the selfish little dumbasses they wound up having to teach.

OB1

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 28, 2020, 01:12:38 am
I won't say I'm deeply versed in either's series, I can't quote any, like, Old Republic stuff on how The Force works or Shippuden feets.  But on a basic enough level, I imagine Obi-Wan has more straight-forward winning approach while Kakashi will have way more varied tricks up his sleeve, just not too many that will help him out.

The biggest stuff I know is Kakashi can do that chi skeleton giant thing that Sasuke does, he can react to cutting natural lightning because that's where he got his name from or something to that degree, and he should technecally know every ninja magic ability he's ever seen because of that eye of his.  But I'd imagine The Force would counter-act practically any diversion techniques like those kunai poofing into different tools or his weird dog pack that lives underground.  I just wonder if Obi-Wan would be too slow, because the biggest stuff I can think of (Countering Grievous' lightsabers, fast running in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars cartoon, and even that is apparently considered outliers and not the Star Wars norm) doesn't really match up to anime logic.  Like, I have no idea WHY Kakashi can move fast enough to cut lightning in half, he just is because every ninja is super fast.
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Post by: Person Man on April 29, 2020, 11:09:50 pm
Kakarot

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Post by: Dumanios on May 04, 2020, 07:33:03 pm


Obi-Wan and Kakashi is out.

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 05, 2020, 03:52:35 am
I.....eugh, I don't like how wishy-washy they are with canon to non-canon.  What they did with Obi-Wan is essentially is if they brought back Goku, it would be Z-filler, Super, GT, Xenoverse and Heroes mashed into one, which has just way too many contradictions.

Also if they're going by book feats now then I feel bad for when they get to Star Trek showing up in this series eventually, when they have to explain Picard meeting the Mirror Universe's Evil Picard for the first time ever 3 times in a row in the novels.  I think killing him in one of the first two times as well, been a while since reading anything Star Trek?

Next episode is one they've discussed the concept ad nauseum in DBC, they've been wanting to do an episode pitting two rival cartoon channel's shows from the late 90's/2000's cartoon boom that were made because of their rival, just options were sparse and questionable.  Like, Jimmy Neutron versus Dexter was a consideration but, like, no, they're 8 years old or something?  Or Kim Possible and X-J9 or something but that's a ridiculously large power gap just from a cursory glance.  This one makes more sense, but I haven't seen either since they were new, I don't recall any of their feats.

I remember Ember's damn song that they drilled into your head repeatedly, though.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 05, 2020, 08:47:42 am
So does the winner of the Kakashi vs. Obi-Wan fight makes sense? I mean I could’ve sworn that the guy was ten times faster than the guy that won.

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 05, 2020, 09:06:21 am
It probably still makes sense sticking strictly to canon because of the basis on how The Force works trumping over Kakashi's chakra-based skills, Obi-Wan's defensive tactics winning over Kakashi's tricks before attacking and overall his control of the battlefield, it's just the far-reaching extra feats by comparison to other Star Wars characters they're tacking onto Obi-Wan in addition that seems unnecessary and way outside his wheelhouse.  Basic concept's sound, just the numbers won't match canon material, like, at all.  Like, last "biggest feat ever" I can recall was prior to Disney's Star Wars when George Lucas helped out on The Force Unleashed and made a point of Starkiller's big moment of using all his strength to pull a star destroyer out of orbit, crashing on the planet's surface.  That would never be something Obi-Wan could remotely compare to, and that's ridiculously less impressive than just throwing multiple of them around in space as one so pleases.

Correct winner, wrong reasons why.
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Post by: Person Man on May 12, 2020, 12:46:14 am
Danny Sexbang



Jake Short

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Post by: Pooh Hardy on May 18, 2020, 12:53:39 am
Watched it early next time is
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 18, 2020, 07:48:03 pm


Huh, actually relatively within each show's respective range of violence and/or gore.  That's nice.  Gotten used to them abusing Pokémon I guess, was expecting some guts to spill out of habit.

And now the video's private.  Odd.  My guess would be probably because the upload didn't have their advertisement before the fight, they uploaded the wrong one, the one from their members-only site.


And we're back.
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Post by: Person Man on May 19, 2020, 01:01:14 am
I loved Danny Phantom and never watched a single second of American Dragon growing up, so my expectations were a little skewed going into this one.  Although I will say that it was actually super interesting to see a fight between such relatively low-power characters.  Since strength or speed didn't boil down to "this character is equal to 2000 yottatons of TNT," the comparisons between their abilities and skills became a lot more relevant in their decision making.

Next up is the battle of warrior princesses and not a Xena to be found.  Wonder if they'll stick with classic She-Ra or the Netflix reboot, since to my understanding they're pretty wildly different interpretations of the character.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 19, 2020, 03:18:49 am
Jake Long would have made a lot more sense on his end being paired with Juniper Lee, but I understand DB's dilemma trying to get a proper match with Danny Phantom that hit the criteria of cartoons of that era that weren't either curbstomps against him or else unable to fight due to his general ghostly nature.  It was still a nice fight overall I'd say.

I haven't checked the Netflix She-Ra either, but my understanding of it is it's so far-flung from the original it's practically its own unrelated property.  It doesn't even have a He-Man or Castle Greyskull as I understand it?  At most they can possibly compare feats of power exerted from the sword, but even that might be unfair when so different from one-another.

It's funny, I recall from the He-Man vs Justice League comic run that the ongoing joke was She-Ra is Wonder Woman's better in everything, she's literally WW 2.0, but that was during New 52's run.  DB's going to do their usual composite deal and from the last episode with WW vs Thor, it would seem to me She-Ra doesn't have a chance in hell of touching WW, never mind winning.  Gonna be amusing to have a DB contradict their official crossover, but hey, haven't seen She-Ra since.....I dunno, Toonami times, so like 15-20 years ago or whatever, so maybe I'm forgetting some key feats from the show that are better than shard bullets being sniped from every edge of the universe all at once.  I remember she's supposed to be He-Man's superior in nearly every fashion, but that's not exactly on D.C.'s level of power scaling.

Oh.  Also, these happened.



So that's different.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on May 20, 2020, 12:02:23 pm
I guess they will go with Classic She-Ra and I also guess that she will win, even if some of her abilities are inconsistent, because Death Battle always go's for the maximum potential etc.

She is at least as strong as He-Man wo can push moons, and that even without an Power Enhencer like his Harness.
She is a smart tactician.
She is nearly invulnerable.
She has super speed and is for example fast enough to deflect energie beams with her Sword.
The Sword of Protection can transform into anything she needs.
She has Healing Powers and limited telepathy.
And probably some more 80's bullshit protagonist Powers I can't remember right now. ^^

Wonder Woman has similar powers but I think her only advantages are that she can Fly without outside help and her Lasso of Truth that has as many powers as she needs in the comics, and that has afaik even the convenient power to turn people who have been magicaly transformed back into theirs base form.

So if Wonder Woman is able to tie She-Ra up with her Golden Bondage Rope then she wins, but if not then I think She-Ra will win.

Btw. Has Wonder Woman still her old Weaknesses or did they Remove them with the New 52/Rebirth stuff?

But since my knowledge is limited it is totaly possible that I missed many stuff from recent comics or other Media. ö.ö
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 20, 2020, 05:40:15 pm
I'd imagine She-Ra is physically stronger, I don't recall anything happening that ended up being a bigger deal than their previous feat of pulling 1/3rd of the Earth, but the speed factor's a whole other deal, reacting to blocking shots from every corner of the universe all shot at once not even at her specifically but the person she's defending getting sniped.  Combining that with those "cut through literally everything at an atomic level" swords and it's hard to vouch for anything else mattering, the fight's over in an instant since there isn't much one can do to defend against that cutting through any form of defense or attempt a first strike and/or even get through Diana's reaction speed.  It's not even like if you can find a way to break Diana's swords you're really nerfing her, she can just pull out more out of hammerspace, Adora's stuck with the one.

Cool fight idea, looking forward to see how they play it out, and much more even-leveled when it's just the one reboot Diana.  But quite stacked in her favor when it's DB's composite combined with D.C.'s writing ridiculousness.
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Post by: MAO11 on May 20, 2020, 05:52:45 pm
didn't wonder woman lift a book with infinite pages? then pushing the moon isn't that big of a deal to her.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 20, 2020, 06:41:16 pm
That was Superman.  It was one of DB's key defining reasons why they had him win the Goku fight, which was....debatable within the community, if nothing else.  It probably shouldn't be taken into account, it appears that even if we scale WW to Superman due to their often comparisons, Supes was under some sort of temporary buff to do that book feat to begin with, it's not something he can just do thus a poor bar to compare to.  And typically the comparison's rounded down to he's stronger, she's faster in combat. (And I think on foot in a race?  There was some official chart rating the speedsters of D.C. a while ago)  Something we all pretty much assumed anyways, and often alluded to in various media just not given hard numbers to compare and because of the wide range of inconsistencies in comics it'd be hard to find a mathematical value of how specifically less strong, more fast she is to him.

And I don't think her personal strength is going to be the winning factor in this fight anyways, so long as she can take the hits if they even manage to connect.
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Post by: Person Man on May 25, 2020, 07:15:30 pm
Shiba



Wonder Bread Redux

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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 01, 2020, 07:36:32 pm
eh...
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Post by: Person Man on June 01, 2020, 11:25:03 pm
I can't believe I made a joke about them using yottatons as an intentionally absurd measurement metric and then very next episode they turn around and actually use it.

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So the main series is on hiatus until August, but the next episode will be Beerus vs... someone.  Hoo boy, sure can't wait for all the Dragon Ball fanboys to crawl out of the woodwork again to explain how incredibly angry they are about it regardless of who wins.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on June 02, 2020, 12:38:21 am
Well, that was one sided... On the bright side, it means that Wonder Woman has won her last two fights in Death Battle, making her the first to do so (I think)

Now that you have Beerus coming in the next battle in a few months, it's fair to start speculation on who he can face... problem is that Beerus is batshit insane levels of strong compared to Goku. So, who in the hell could you have to pick for a fight against what is considered a threat that the Kais take seriously.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 02, 2020, 02:33:50 am
Maybe they'll bring in the Shrike, and we all can relive all the insane "who would win in a fight" message board arguments of yesteryear.
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Post by: Person Man on June 02, 2020, 03:16:44 am
Come to think of it, they could feasibly sell him as an opponent for Saitama.  They're both presented as immeasurably powerful, god-like figures who're so strong they're no longer capable of giving a shit, and they both are constantly limiting their own strength to try and make fights slightly less boring.
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Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2020, 07:23:45 am
Death Battle wouldn't have the stigma about Dragon Ball characters if they've gotten at least one of them outside the joke character portrayed right.  I'd imagine it wouldn't have lasted on and on too long after Goku vs Superman 2 if they didn't just make stuff up about Android 18 to coincide with Xenoverse 2.

Now that you have Beerus coming in the next battle in a few months, it's fair to start speculation on who he can face... problem is that Beerus is batshit insane levels of strong compared to Goku.
The Tournament of Power implied Goku surpassed Beerus with Ultra Instinct.  Now you got the whole plot hang-up on him actually using the thing right in the manga, but yeah, Beerus was the bar set by his movie going forward through Super.  That was pasted two years ago now, I think?

The internal cast of Death Battle had Sailor Galaxia as his would-be opponent ages ago, but the percentage of people requesting that I highly doubt cracks the double digits.  Which to be frank, would be a bizarre first choice for a Sailor Moon rep to show up in this series?  Also that would be an episode made 80% of power levels made by second-hand claims, neither Beerus or Galaxcia DO much of anything in their respective series, just we know they're stupidly powerful beyond imagination and are all about destruction energy, the usual spiel.  I dunno about Saitama though, in their Death Battle Cast podcasts Ben's said he doesn't put much faith in the whole "no limits" thing to Saitama, and he's way down the totem pole to Dragon Ball characters either by feats or Word of God.  Which....yeah, he kinda is, Krillin can feasibly best him easily, no reason to waste Beerus on him.  Especially since the comparison between them beyond having an ego is....what, one is all-powerful in his universe, the other was the new wall to climb and has been?  Wouldn't be my first choice is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on June 02, 2020, 12:58:28 pm
No offense intended in any way, shape, or form here, but "a low-level B-List jobber character from Dragon Ball could still effortlessly destroy someone who is demonstrably the strongest existence in his entire universe" is exactly the kind of blind fanboy over-hyping that makes putting Dragon Ball characters in Death Battle so utterly insufferable.  Dragon Ball HAS to always be the best and the coolest.  Every individual character in Dragon Ball HAS to be the strongest and most powerful character in all forms of media ever conceived of.  Anything that even vaguely, accidentally suggests otherwise is wrong and terrible and the person who said it is a biased hater who is too stupid to know how cool Dragon Ball is, but is also somehow jealous that Dragon Ball is cooler than (other thing).  It's the worst.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 02, 2020, 08:47:19 pm
I wasn't intending it as "blind fanboying", I'm being bluntly honest.  Heck, in that case, OPM has a similar issue, take away this whole notion of Saitama can not lose because it's funny and compare them, he's just outclassed.  But then he's not the best and the coolest, and that's a big no-no.

I don't care when the characters lose that much if it makes sense, I do get annoyed when they're ridiculously mis-represented in feats or just out of character.  It's not just Dragon Ball, obviously, it's just more consistently inconsistent there.  Because sure, why not have Goku try to destroy a city with a blast in the rematch, inadvertently or not, only for Superman to stop it, it's not like it wasn't topical at the time with Man of Steel showing wanton destruction and Battle of Gods deliberately go out of its way to not cause city-wide damage?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 03, 2020, 07:10:51 am
Death Battle has been innacurate before, but Dragon Ball isn't a good example of that. Dragon Ball (like many other anime), overexaggerates the abilities of the characters and making every fight feel more dramatic than it deserves to be, hell, it still seems like its trying to portray Goku as a good character, while, realistically, he is an idiot incapable of thinking about the consequences of his actions to the point where he became almost insufferable. I cannot imagine who would end up fighting Beerus, but I know one thing: it will be innacurate from the start, because we don't know Beerus' limits, unless they bring a character whose limits are well known, just so said character can lose, which is boring and predictable. Anyway, I don't care much about the analysis anymore, I'll just enjoy the animation and hope its not 3D again.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: MAO11 on June 03, 2020, 07:12:33 am
stopped caring about the stats and just watch them for the animation. they had some pretty good ones recently.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 03, 2020, 10:05:23 am
Death Battle has been innacurate before, but Dragon Ball isn't a good example of that. Dragon Ball (like many other anime), overexaggerates the abilities of the characters and making every fight feel more dramatic than it deserves to be, hell, it still seems like its trying to portray Goku as a good character, while, realistically, he is an idiot incapable of thinking about the consequences of his actions to the point where he became almost insufferable.
???

Besides the characterization of the character not exactly pertaining to their fighting capabilities in this case, historically Goku is, uh, very good.  He's a literal angel at one point, pure hearted naivety incarnate, who matured as the series progressed as would make sense.  Where his character starts to plummet comes from Super neither wanting to progress the characters as is nor let them uphold their standards, but regress them to cover old ground we've already covered, but less well told while slingshotting the power levels, while giving a big shrug to their usage simultaneously.  But to base Goku as a character solely on his deeds in Super would be akin to vouching for the Pokémon community solely based on Sword & Shield's recent track record.  Or The Simpsons post modern era.  Which at least that example would be more viable because there's been excessively more bad Simpsons than good Simpsons.  Very sadly.  But Super Goku's got quite a ways to go before becoming the de facto Goku over Dragon Ball and DBZ.

Or another example that comes to mind since we just covered Wonder Woman, if that New 52 backstory was all that mattered pertaining to the character that actively looked to cut out people's previous connections to the character and her lore and sour the whole deal with a cyclic rape story leading to a kinda "Eh, you're who you choose to be rather than your family tree" moral that was likewise scrapped in the end.  It's not even a bad moral nor a bad comic line, it's just also there to pull the rug out of, what, 70-so years of comic history, and that's all one's supposed to care about the character?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 03, 2020, 07:52:25 pm
DBX is back, and looks like hot garbage, that drop in framerate
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 03, 2020, 09:02:47 pm
Case in point, they could at least pretend to have cared to representing the characters's, uh, characteristics at all?  At least they got Thor owning a hammer down, Vegeta's power is he has a son and a Team FourStar joke.  Two thumbs up, guys.

At least it's just DBX which mainly exists as means to practice different random animations of interest according to them, but this one's not really that good either.  Personally, I still find it funny though for the "no research" portion of their show DBX got the closest to representing Final Fantasy right out of all their stuff.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on June 04, 2020, 12:21:05 am
You do realize that personality isn't what they're analyzing right?  It's literally in the rules they set for themselves: 
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To ensure a fair fight, all moral restraints from killing are ignored. All other traits are considered.

Characterization doesn't matter in this series, DBX even less so.  They're not writing crossover fanfiction, they're drawing a comparison by analyzing statistics and data points.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 04, 2020, 12:41:08 am
But it is key to getting the characters right, Ben himself contests to that.  Beyond removing the moral code on killing, the respective characters should be acting as themselves normally would, else we wouldn't be having Character X versus Character Y, we've have robots impersonating them.  Which is a paraphrased quote from Chad or Ben from one of their own DBC episodes, I think one of the Ben 10 ones that everyone criticized if I recall correctly?  Been a while since seeing it.

If it was a straight-forward case of nothing beyond power set versus power set, then to rewind back to Goku vs Superman, we wouldn't have had the issue they had with either kryptonite or moving the fight to a sunless location.  But that would be wrong and out of character of Goku.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on June 04, 2020, 01:34:57 am
But if that were the case then the entire series becomes pointless because 90% of the fights would never happen in-character.   Obi-Wan and Kakashi are both smart enough to know to not immediately escalate to violence with an unknown enemy.  Green Lantern wouldn't just start beating up a random kid like Ben 10.  Mario and Sonic are canonically on very friendly terms thanks to the Olympics games.

IDK, it just strikes me as being super nit-picky over after the fact set dressing.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 04, 2020, 02:56:24 am
It's all pretty standard "bloodlust" rules, the kinds laid out in pretty much every "who would win in a fight" board in all the forums that have those sections. The idea is that the character has all restraints and personal moral qualms shut off. But crucially, they're not supposed to turn into mindless berserkers either: you're just supposed to pretend that they will think and act as they normally do, with the exception that they'll readily kill and do anything to win.

Or another example that comes to mind since we just covered Wonder Woman, if that New 52 backstory was all that mattered pertaining to the character that actively looked to cut out people's previous connections to the character and her lore and sour the whole deal with a cyclic rape story leading to a kinda "Eh, you're who you choose to be rather than your family tree" moral that was likewise scrapped in the end.  It's not even a bad moral nor a bad comic line, it's just also there to pull the rug out of, what, 70-so years of comic history, and that's all one's supposed to care about the character?
I would argue it was a fair deal worse than that: while certainly, throughout almost the entirety of the character's history, Wonder Woman is no stranger to reboots, and has been constantly been under fire from rapidly shifting status quos and backstory revisions, the New 52 reboot was just a complete and utter hollowing out of the character and everything she stands for. What almost all these revamps, the New 52 one included, have in common is that they all stem from a fundamental refusal to engage with the text of the character—the foundational elements laid down by her creators—an unwillingness to live up to the fairly radical ideas presented by that original vision.

Whether its the stuff about Paradise Island being an all-female high-tech utopia run by immortal philosopher-poets (who, sure, are also peerless warriors, and will gladly take up arms against evil and injustice, but also aren't constantly decked out in armor and looking to fight people), or Wonder Woman herself being born and gifted with powers entirely without the help of man—divine or otherwise—the cores of her backstory are freely changed without any thought or care, and usually to downplay said radical ideas into something "safer", to something more stereotypical and lazy. While there has also been many great runs on the character that reverse the damage caused by all the others, those runs always seem to get cut short and/or deal with constant, short-sighted editorial malfeasance, with all of the good stuff they brought in being immediately undone by the next creative team. There is just great lack of respect to the core of the character that neither of the other two members of DC's "Trinity" have ever had to deal with.

And the New 52 reboot is the worst of the worst, reading now as almost a sick joke in how it seemed almost surgically designed to ruin the character. The one two punch of the Rucka/Scott/Sharp run in comics and the Wonder Woman movie seem to have wiped most of its deleterious changes away from cultural memory, but the idiotic change in the origin is still present: that Wonder Woman is in fact the daughter of Zeus. That the most iconic female superhero is special solely because of who her father is. And that's probably here to stay, even though it really undercuts everything about the character. -_-
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 04, 2020, 03:23:24 am
DBX is back, and looks like hot garbage, that drop in framerate
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ozmo6BkpUo[/youtube]
Why does it take half the video for the actual damn animation to start? Its not even good animation, I hate their 3D fights.

But if that were the case then the entire series becomes pointless because 90% of the fights would never happen in-character.   Obi-Wan and Kakashi are both smart enough to know to not immediately escalate to violence with an unknown enemy.  Green Lantern wouldn't just start beating up a random kid like Ben 10.  Mario and Sonic are canonically on very friendly terms thanks to the Olympics games.

IDK, it just strikes me as being super nit-picky over after the fact set dressing.
Because it IS nit-picky. I won't lie, I still think its dumb edgy shit to have characters end up every fight with a fucking fatality (I mean, Aang went to the point of learning a new technique in ATLA just so he couldn't kill Ozai, yet he says he had no choice when facing... I don't remember who he faced, like, what the fuck?), but it has always been the rules for them to measure which of them is stronger or to even justify a fight in the first place.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: rgveda99 on June 04, 2020, 03:27:23 am
stopped caring about the stats and just watch them for the animation. they had some pretty good ones recently.

For the past 3 or 4 years I've been doing that too. Just skip to the action. But these days I don't watch anymore. I just go this thread here just to read the results.

One of the last videos I watched was the Daredevil vs Nightwing. Nightwing has technology that can detect mutations. Ok there's a metahuman gene in the DC universe. But what lost my motivation to watch any of their content was Nightwing's device can identify what the mutation can do. I'm not familiar with DC and its fictional technology but I personally feel that's taking it too far.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 04, 2020, 03:37:50 am
Ok, Aang versus Edward Elric is specifically done as an exception because neither character would kill, to the point either would likely rather take their own life before, ergo it's funny that they both are put into this predicament.  How well the joke lands is up to the viewer, but that's how I saw it, anyways, because prior years to that episode they were against Aang being in without someone just like him.  But yes, overall there is a much wider pool of believability in fights when the outcome isn't death but just victory, and what that measure is can be a case-by-case basis.  The cast has discussed it themselves a few times too, but because of the randomness of what "case-by-case basis" would entail and them not wanting to leave that much left open to debate if "What if X wasn't holding back for Y reason, would the outcome be different?" so they go for straight-forward death is the deciding factor.

But yeah, the whole Ringmaster thing with DBX isn't really my cup of tea either, but they're trying to set some sort of unnecessary background story with these hosts, supposedly ending Death Battle with Wiz vs Boomstick for a gag I'd imagine.

And Jmorphman, I wasn't even planning on going that deep into it, just citing another example of characters deserving to be viewed as the whole of their series, not surgically from specific negative points in their history, but.....yeah, you would be more well versed in D.C. Comics than I and I agree with what you said, well said.

Also you guys do you, but I don't get just skipping the information part and going straight to the animation with nothing else?  For the random fan-made projects people put up online specifically not looking to go into research, sure, by all means, emphasize spectacle over accuracy.  That's how stuff like this got popular for years.



But....Death Battle's whole point IS the accurate portrayal of these things and how they turn out.  Those always seemed the most important part to me in this whole show's existence, heck, an episode or two ago of DBC they said how the animations they do are mostly just practice to put to better use in their other official content like Red vs Blue or whatever other shows they're working on.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 04, 2020, 11:23:14 am
But yeah, the whole Ringmaster thing with DBX isn't really my cup of tea either
I think they are trying to ape off XVX with the whole announcer thing.. DBX was just supposed to be fights like OG 1MM, no stats, and shit, just 2 characters fighting.
You spend half the video listening to an annoying ringmaster and lose interest. These days for DB and DBX, I just skip to the fights, coz a few of my friends are animating on them.

For the DBX, it was animated by Devil Artemis, he was brought on as a contract worker as one of the B team, and usually get given the shit that the A team don't feel like doing. In this case, he wasn't given much time to do this animation, as he is also working on other DB animations, as well as his own stuff.


EDIT:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492666680074305537/718241201240670298/Screenshot_20200604-191253.png)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 07, 2020, 05:10:21 am
And Jmorphman, I wasn't even planning on going that deep into it, just citing another example of characters deserving to be viewed as the whole of their series, not surgically from specific negative points in their history, but.....yeah, you would be more well versed in D.C. Comics than I and I agree with what you said, well said.
Yeah, I got kind of carried away, whoops.

But the Wonder Woman stuff really is so unbelievably awful and condescending that it's kind of unfair compare it to most anything else!
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 07, 2020, 06:09:02 am
Personally, it sounds very much akin to Metroid and the Other M treatment, except WW's history is exceptionally longer and its correction was also much more swift and clear.  For reasons I can't grasp other than monetary reasons saving on reusing models and renders, Other M is still the flagship go-to representation of the series as a whole, and it is a tad bit maddening.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 10, 2020, 11:12:18 pm
meh, video is 4:30, fight only starts at 2:30
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 10, 2020, 11:37:06 pm
Saying it now before the fans bury me in their anger, but... FUCK FIRE EMBLEM!
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 11, 2020, 12:14:15 am
meh, video is 4:30, fight only starts at 2:30
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALI9iE92gyQ[/youtube]
I fail to see how the result is obvious, its not like Mulan isn't a popular character, and characters win by vote.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 11, 2020, 12:17:54 pm
You clearly havent encountered the Smash Fanboys then
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2020, 10:43:33 pm

So new week, new DBX.

And....yeah, it's still really bothering me how just inaccurate these portrayals are.  So during this quarantine I ended up running through Pirate's Cure, Half-Genie Hero and Seven Sirens.  And their info on Shantae is just factually incorrect.  She doesn't fight the other genies in Seven Sirens.  At all.  Nor does she beat Nega Shantae in Half-Genie Hero, freaking Sky, Bolo and Rottytops jump into her mind and beat the evil clone after some hours of attempting.  And the animation gives her the Pirate's Curse items, things that are specifically not hers, and on loan for the duration of that game's adventure so long as she didn't have any of her magic during the game because of narrative reasons in the previous game.  And Shovel Knight's breakdown was strangely incredibly bare bones in comparison to Shantae's, for whatever reason?  He certainly had more to talk about than just filling out time joking about the choice in weaponry.

It just comes across as "Here's composite character X with things that don't make sense for them to have versus less compelling to break down character Y.  Then kill character X anyways".  It's really annoying getting them both wrong, and all the more-so when the one that's more incorrect is the one they kill off, why bother with the extra steps in presentation if you're not going to bother getting it right?

It doesn't help that this is a slaughter in Shantae's favor, but giving it the leeway of it being DBX and all.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on June 17, 2020, 11:29:45 pm
...The actual, literal tagline for DBX is "No rules, no research, only bloodshed."  It is very explicitly just a fight animation that fans get to vote on who wins.

If it honestly bothers you that much that they are doing exactly what they say they are going to do, maybe you should just not watch it?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2020, 11:36:29 pm
And that was fine prior to this whole ringmaster nonsense.  Now they want to step up the presentation.  Sure, fine.  Clearly they've dropped the "no research" part because we spend half the episode on it.  Just not hard math but story beats and general inventory.  Problem is if they're gonna bother going that far, then don't make it a half-step and get the basic info right.  Don't need to mathematically explain the potential explosive value of preventing the Pirate King's magic destroying the planet by being counter-acted or whatnot, just get the plot beat and characteristics down right.

It comes across as willful lying.  I'd imagine that's not what they want.  If they have, say, Luke Skywalker in one of these, I wouldn't handwave away them saying he's a chickenmancer just because "no research".  I'd want the characters represented to their best.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 25, 2020, 10:20:06 am
Here's the next DBX for those interested:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Spoiler: Next DBX (click to see content)

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 05, 2020, 09:17:59 pm
This one was pretty well animated... but god that mascot character's voice is cringe-inducingly annoying
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 06, 2020, 06:30:17 am
DBX- Kid Goku vs Gon

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Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on July 07, 2020, 11:15:15 pm
New series, Death Race.



Another non-analysis series like DBX, only with vehicles racing instead of 1-on-1 fights.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 09, 2020, 03:48:25 pm
Benny Hill vs Danny Boi.

Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on July 11, 2020, 09:53:15 pm
Marisa vs Vegeta
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 16, 2020, 03:37:30 pm
Kenshin vs Law (Haven't watched One Piece in a such a long time, so I assumed it was Zorro. Apologies for the last post.)

Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 17, 2020, 12:00:32 am
Screw Attack did the same Yang/Bakugou fight years ago, apparently.  Don't know what's happened to either since then, couldn't get into MHA despite trying a few times and Screw Attack themselves killed any possible budding interest in RWBY for me.  I'm under the impression Yang has only one arm now though.

Similarly being out of the loop, dropping One Piece after Arlong was defeated, Nami was no longer a slave and the series felt as finished as it needed to be, I have no freaking clue who Law is, other than I kinda hate his hat in Jump Force.  But this is another odd One Piece/Rurouni Kenshin mash-up they've done, and I don't get the appeal?  They seem neither comparable in character arcs, tone or power scaling.  Kenshin's just a dude with a remarkable streak of luck in a field of work where everyone dies young, a Samurai Champloo character would be more in his range.

Anyways, there was another episode of Death Race earlier this week.

Well, at least they're having fun with their weirdness.  Now, I haven't watched or read Harry Potter in years, but I didn't think the Weasley car was sentient?  No more than the walking brooms from Fantasia, anyways.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 17, 2020, 05:45:20 am
I never read the books, but Weasley's car only made the movie appearance in the Chamber of Secrets, and was sentient when it got attacked by the Whomping Willow tree/getting Harry and Ron to Hogwarts, and headed back home where Ron's mom yelled at him for stealing and damaging it. It eventually saved Harry and Ron when they were attacked by Hagrid's spider friend (not the main spider, but his children as he deemed them free meals). I don't remember it making another appearance after that.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 17, 2020, 08:48:18 pm
I'm under the impression Yang has only one arm now though.
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Yeah. She has a robo arm replacement though
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Foobs on July 17, 2020, 08:59:37 pm
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But this is another odd One Piece/Rurouni Kenshin mash-up they've done, and I don't get the appeal?  They seem neither comparable in character arcs, tone or power scaling.  Kenshin's just a dude with a remarkable streak of luck in a field of work where everyone dies young, a Samurai Champloo character would be more in his range.
Oda started his career as an assistant on Ruruoni Kenshin, and still considers Watsuki as one of his main influences.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 17, 2020, 10:02:12 pm
That I did not know, surprised to hear it though having read at least until the Arlong arc of One Piece and all of Kenshin ages ago, including all their little blubs from the author.  Huh, neat, but still a bit of a mismatch I'd say just on that account.  I wouldn't exactly mix Sailor Moon with Yu Yu Hakusho in terms of a fight just because their respective authors are married.  But whatever, people seem to like it.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2020, 11:51:00 pm
"Anime guy with a sword" is very likely the driving force of the matchup here.  DBX ain't deep.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 22, 2020, 10:45:49 pm
Here's the newest Death Race:


And here's One-Arm vs Explosion Man


Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 23, 2020, 12:29:37 am
I think they would have done better without the Warthog, the spy theme, or at least modified sports car theme for some form of agent, felt more natural than just "cars with weapons", it was too broad a category to get it to fit in the episode.  Like, the Warthog also isn't that useful without a second person in the back seat which it doesn't always have, even for series not intending to make much sense it felt odd and out of place.  Also really, they had Spy Hunter, a pool of water, and no boat transformation?  One of the main things the game is known for?  Come on, guys, missed opportunity.


Next episode of Death Race is out, as well as knowing who the next Death Battle member is with Beerus.

And....huh, I guessed right.  I'm....more disappointed, to be honest?  Also Beerus fans are probably gonna be upset when he loses?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 01, 2020, 01:37:19 pm
Next DBX:

Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 01, 2020, 04:32:18 pm
The match up for the next Death Battle was also announced in that DBX video. Beerus will be facing Sailor Galaxaia from Sailor Moon.

I get the feeling that what will happen is one fan base will be extremely salty after that fight (Probably the DBZ fans... doesn't the series only have two wins to their name?)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on August 01, 2020, 05:15:12 pm
Dragon Ball fans will be inconsolably upset by this video regardless of the outcome.  Standard Death Battle procedure.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on August 01, 2020, 05:32:11 pm
That, plus the character with actual feats is going to win.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 01, 2020, 11:55:32 pm
So neither of them.  Both Dragon Ball Super and Sailor Moon don't do much with either of them, despite their on-paper huge potential.  Seriously, Beerus does freaking nothing beyond setting a bar for Goku and Vegeta that got past a while ago, yet still he doesn't contribute much to the plot.  And Galaxia just kinda does what EVERY Sailor Moon antagonist does; brutally murders the Sailor Scouts, in this case melts Mercury and Jupiter into puddles of blood and instantly disintegrates the rest, then gets offed by Sailor Moon by a hand wave. (Not even, really, in the manga she self-terminates rather foolishly.  Sorta, will get to that in a moment.)

So for more details, DBC said they're using the manga Galaxia, not the anime one, which fine, whatever, they both were done at the same time but ended up with different versions of her.  So no transformation for her.  They are however basing feats on the Sailor Moon stage plays and radio dramas.  Which....right, those are things Takeuchi has done that are relevant to the canon, but what odd deep cuts to pull from.  I'm less familiar with them, but since the announcement Monday I went and re-read the final Sailor Moon arc to refresh my memory.

Beerus is so ridiculously dead.  One, she's immortal and immune to destruction.  Two, taking the manga version at its strongest, she also essentially has the Cosmos Crystal that Sailor Cosmos (Final form Sailor Moon at the end of time with the silliest story to be there; omnipotence among omnipotence, but she was feeling sad so she wanted to watch her past self at a pivotal moment to see if she made the right choice in life.) has.  Which in her own terms has the Lambda power of everything ever.  It's, well, omnipotence.  I say essentially though because she hasn't finished the rite to make it, but she still has every single Star Seed in the universe except Sailor Moon's with her all at once.  It's less Beerus versus Galaxia, it's Beerus versus the entire Sailor Moon-verse, minus Usagi herself.  Which hell, she has Sailor Saturn's power, Hotaru could just use the power of "Everything I want to die dies, including me but I get insta-rezed".

I suspect a low-balling of both of them, but even if they grant Beerus being able to destroy her body, he can't destroy the immortal, indestructible Star Seed and she'll just be reborn.  Though I suspect he can't even do that.  But despite being the lord over all destruction capabilities, her end in the manga still has her body somehow evaporated by touching Sailor Moon when she wasn't even fighting Galaxia, and moved on to Chaos?  Then her Star Seed just joined the rest at the center of Creation.  It's not really explained, but then the addition of Chaos and Sailor Cosmos at the very end, like, answered 3 questions and brought up 3000 more, so it's a perplexing end to the series.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on August 03, 2020, 08:37:38 pm
The match up for the next Death Battle was also announced in that DBX video. Beerus will be facing Sailor Galaxaia from Sailor Moon.

I get the feeling that what will happen is one fan base will be extremely salty after that fight (Probably the DBZ fans... doesn't the series only have two wins to their name?)

2 loss according to this

https://deathbattle.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Andross7/Death_battle_series_win/loss_record

I guess they never counted Goku Rematch with Superman
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 04, 2020, 10:48:45 pm

Beerus' preview is up.

That domestication of cats trivia doesn't seem right.....are we not counting Egyptian cats as domesticated?  Just a weird line to throw in there.


Galaxia's turn now.


And now the full thing.  And I'm disappointed once again.  That end reasoning is as good as their He-Man vs Lion-O one.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 10, 2020, 07:43:59 pm
Maybe they can expound on the result in the next Death Battle Cast... because it made no sense to me, especially considering that Galaxia has the Sailor Crystal, which makes her near immortal.

Whatever. The next fight has Zuko and Shoto Todoroki facing off. I've heard of both series they are from (Avatar: The Last Airbender and My Hero Academia), but I'm not horribly familiar with the fighters myself. I think Zuko might have the edge being a fire bender and all.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2020, 07:49:58 pm
I'm sitting here trying to figure out how they wrapped "God ki equals resistance to star seed removal because of Buu" when Goku and Vegeta got no such advantage with excessive more god ki.  This ending feels very much like He-Man versus Lion-O.  X can beat Y's body, but Y is infinite and X can never match up to Y's infinite power output.  X wins.  What?  So Galaxia was faster, infinitely more powerful and durable, had hax that Beerus' counter didn't make sense with and still lost?  Ok, lets say all that.  Then Galaxia respawns and Beerus is that much more drained.  Undestroyable star seed, hello?  Tried to break one with the molecule cutting sword in the first arc, similarly tried to break Venus, Moon and Endimion's around the time Black Lady showed up, didn't work?

Also really didn't see anything from the plays or radio dramas, so wondering why they bothered bringing those up as crucial in DBC prior?
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Post by: Person Man on August 10, 2020, 11:29:10 pm
IDK, it seemed pretty clear cut to me.  They've got two characters of ostensibly infinite levels of strength, capable of outputting immeasurable and unlimited levels of power.  With so much of their "true strength" being vague speculation and hearsay, the only truly comparable feat they have would be that they're both capable of affecting the entire observable universe with single attacks.  Ergo, the win would wind up going to the one whose universe is bigger, thereby requiring a greater level of power to achieve the same result.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 11, 2020, 12:23:27 am
But they're not both infinite.  In fact, only one of them goes out of their way to multiple times to establish how there is no limit to their output of power.  Beerus is too strong for his universe, but not to a never-ending point going beyond that.  Heck, in that case, Dragon Ball's universe has a defined end (In Toriyama fashion, probably in a comical sense a la Futurama), Sailor Moon's by association of being based on our own does not.

And it's still just overlooking the one who can't die was the one they killed.  Kinda just glossed over the whole universal constant the star seeds are.  They said Sailor Moon destroyed Galaxia's in the manga, but....no, she absolutely didn't, it joined all the rest in the Galaxy Cauldron to get re-rezed.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 14, 2020, 04:30:38 pm
Whatever. The next fight has Zuko and Shoto Todoroki facing off. I've heard of both series they are from (Avatar: The Last Airbender and My Hero Academia), but I'm not horribly familiar with the fighters myself. I think Zuko might have the edge being a fire bender and all.

Honestly, it depends on how Zuko can handle ice. I'm sure Zuko could retract Todoroki's fire right back at him, but he could combine both elements together. I mean, Kitara would most likely be the closest thing to an ice-bender (being a water-bender and all), but have there really been any good instances of that classic case of Fire vs Ice in Avatar, since Todo's more used to using ice more?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on August 17, 2020, 08:34:56 pm
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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 24, 2020, 07:28:39 pm

It's out.

Hmph.  Some holes to poke in it.  Basing all firebending temperature to literally the girl in the comics who melted the door there with her first ever firebending by accident, when we know for a fact by Azula's basic existence that that's not how that works, there's a multitude of firebending temperatures, is a wrong measure to go off of.  Likewise just giving Zuko lightning just cuz doesn't seem fair, even if they then didn't include it?

Next match is Flash versus Archie Sonic.  This is....a particularly weird one.  I guess similar in vein to Beerus versus Galaxia, because Ben has covered in Death Battle Cast for the Mario vs Sonic rematch why they didn't use Archie Sonic, explicitly because how broken Archie Sonic is, and went on to break down how he trounces D.C. entire Speed Force.  But then, Galaxia was a sure win, had it in the bag, then the full episode just overlooked things and downplayed others so eh, whatever.

If Ben's calcs from a while ago still hold, Sonic wins because speed I guess controls all matter and concepts of energy everywhere for all eternity, I dunno.  I stopped reading Archie Sonic when I was young and they introduced the Judge Dredd Sonic timeline.  And Sally had a future vision skinny dipping in Tang with her brother to see her and Sonic's children as King and Queen.  And Knuckles was lime green.

Archie Sonic's kinda freaky and a little messed up.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 25, 2020, 10:13:58 am
Likewise just giving Zuko lightning just cuz doesn't seem fair, even if they then didn't include it?

I'd figure they just gave Zuko that because he deflected it in the show, and that and creating are two different things. I figured they added him using lightning because they gave Toph all of her powers throughout the series (from Avatar to Korra). Unless he could do it in Korra? I've stopped watching that after the first season, and maybe a couple of episodes in the second because the creators didn't know what to do with it, which I mean they basically said "Yeah, don't pay attention to that First Season, watch this one instead!".  Anyways, I'd figure Todo had the win because of his ice side and Zuko had little experience in dealing with that.

I have no idea on Archie's version of Sonic other than the first Mario vs Sonic fight. They're using Wally West instead of Barry Allen this time, I guess because of his cocky attitude. And their clips are kind of messed up, since I thought Barry was one of them in that preview (the one that does the around the world part where he destroys Lex Luthor's Brainiac armor with full speed and dies, then comes back in the Justice League.)

And Knuckles was lime green.
Okay, that's the weirdest thing I've seen from that description.

Edit: Also, they got the real Zuko to do the voice. That's pretty cool.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2020, 10:54:33 pm
I have no idea on Archie's version of Sonic other than the first Mario vs Sonic fight. They're using Wally West instead of Barry Allen this time, I guess because of his cocky attitude.
I suspect they're specifically doing a Wally vs. Sonic fight because they've already raced against each other before:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/0ca272ae88a0a8f204e28cb957ed899f/tumblr_inline_ojz3pbkiso1qc7cda_1280.png)
Well, not Sonic exactly, but clearly meant to be an analogue of Sonic
(https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/4/48397/980229-krakkl_da_fl_136___1998.jpg)
This is Krakkl, Wally West's imaginary friend, who he used to communicate with over a radio. Except, turns out, he wasn't imaginary. He was real all along! He and his species are literally made of radio waves and is from a pocket dimension known as Kwyzz.

Sadly, Krakkl sacrificed himself in order to give Wally West a speed boost to save both their worlds from the villains who were making Wally and Krakkl race against one another.

And their clips are kind of messed up, since I thought Barry was one of them in that preview (the one that does the around the world part where he destroys Lex Luthor's Brainiac armor with full speed and dies, then comes back in the Justice League.)
Nah, that's Wally West, he's the one and only Flash in the DCAU. You can tell because he has an actual personality!

At least, a personality that's original, and not shamelessly stolen from your former sidekick who replaced you, yes I'm talking to you, Barry Allen, you had nothing to go on for years after you came back, so they resorted to stealing shit from Wally to make you even slightly interesting. Fucker should've stayed dead. >:[
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Post by: Long John Killer on August 25, 2020, 11:18:33 pm
How "We make up our own rules" does the Speed Force and/or other "Forces" Wally gets reach?  I mildly recall in I think the Rebirth reboot with Hawkgirl beating in Lex Luthor's skull and everyone on the planet turned to fish, Wally's Still Force....reversed that or something?  Because sure, total lack of motion reverses magic.

I believe Archie Sonic can just, like, erase the fundamental laws of gravity from being a thing in the universe anymore.  Somehow.  Comics.

And Knuckles was lime green.
Okay, that's the weirdest thing I've seen from that description.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/6/63/Chaos_knuckles.png/revision/latest?cb=20111023014344)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/4/45/ChaosKnuckles_joins_the_Dark_Side.png/revision/latest?cb=20160122183236)
Actually think I still own this one this shot came from somewhere in the attic, issue #100 of Archie Sonic as I recall?  That shot's burned into my brain with his crazy mecha-Hitler granduncle in the back there.  Also, like, the following issue was Alolan Knuckles here and his girlfriend returning to their run-down Manhattan apartment that they apparently own.

https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Knuckles#Pre-SGW

You know, Archie Sonic's stupid.  Like, monumentally stupid.  But enjoyably so?  I kinda sometimes wish the games were more like the comics, because Sonic's games are....unfavorable at times, to put it lightly.  And I don't want to dislike Sonic, growing up with him.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 26, 2020, 11:58:57 am
This is Krakkl, Wally West's imaginary friend, who he used to communicate with over a radio. Except, turns out, he wasn't imaginary. He was real all along! He and his species are literally made of radio waves and is from a pocket dimension known as Kwyzz.

Sadly, Krakkl sacrificed himself in order to give Wally West a speed boost to save both their worlds from the villains who were making Wally and Krakkl race against one another.
That's actually a much better idea of why the Death Battle would happen. The more you know.

Nah, that's Wally West, he's the one and only Flash in the DCAU. You can tell because he has an actual personality!

At least, a personality that's original, and not shamelessly stolen from your former sidekick who replaced you, yes I'm talking to you, Barry Allen, you had nothing to go on for years after you came back, so they resorted to stealing shit from Wally to make you even slightly interesting. Fucker should've stayed dead. >:[

I'm getting my Flashes mixed up with Injustice. I haven't watched the animated Justice League in a long time, and I assumed it was Barry in that, and I thought Wally was the one with the weird hair sticking out from where the mask should be. I believe that was Kid Flash, right?

Actually think I still own this one this shot came from somewhere in the attic, issue #100 of Archie Sonic as I recall?  That shot's burned into my brain with his crazy mecha-Hitler granduncle in the back there. Also, like, the following issue was Alolan Knuckles here and his girlfriend returning to their run-down Manhattan apartment that they apparently own.

He looks like an alien in the first shot with a weird necklace in the first shot, and the second one reminds me of Captain America with the whole "Hail Hydra." deal. ...Also why do they own an apartment? I guess the more questions I ask, the more questions I get with this series.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2020, 02:26:21 am
How "We make up our own rules" does the Speed Force and/or other "Forces" Wally gets reach?  I mildly recall in I think the Rebirth reboot with Hawkgirl beating in Lex Luthor's skull and everyone on the planet turned to fish, Wally's Still Force....reversed that or something?  Because sure, total lack of motion reverses magic.
The Speed Force can do whatever is needed for the plot, and that's about the only rule there is.

I'm getting my Flashes mixed up with Injustice. I haven't watched the animated Justice League in a long time, and I assumed it was Barry in that, and I thought Wally was the one with the weird hair sticking out from where the mask should be. I believe that was Kid Flash, right?
In the comics, Wally West was once Kid Flash, Barry Allen's sidekick. Then he grew up and Barry died and Wally took over the legacy.

In the DCAU, the Flash that appears in Justice League is Wally, with no direct references to there being another one before him. But there's some small references that could support that argument: there is a Kid Flash costume in the background of the Flash Museum in one episode, and there's the Titans of it all, which is its own bag of worms.

The Titans get directly referenced in Static Shock, so a team by that name definitely exists in the DCAU, and Speedy (Green Arrow's sidekick) shows up in one episode of JLU, with the same voice actor and general design as the Speedy in the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon (but the JLU looks older; no longer a teen, but a full grown adult). And guess who also showed up in the 2003 Teen Titans? The Wally West version of Kid Flash, voiced by the same VA as the Flash in Justice League (and given that the cartoon also features a Robin who is probably Dick Grayson, the timing would all work out; TT03 would have to be set years and years before Justice League, because Dick Grayson had already grown up and become Nightwing by the time the League is formed)!

But that does not necessarily mean that the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon is set in the DCAU; for one thing, it's by a completely different creative team, with wildly different tones, designs, and approaches. Indeed, I don't think there's many people out there who include the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon as a DCAU show; no serious retrospective of the DCAU covers TT03, etc. And so there's not really a strong argument that the Speedy and Kid Flash appearances are anything more than fun nods to the other respective show. At most, one can say that there's a team known as Titans in the DCAU, and it potentially had Speedy and a Kid Flash in it at some point, and that Kid Flash might've been Wally West.

... except there are also references to Wally West getting his powers as an adult, and his backstory seems like a combination of Wally West and Barry Allen: he has Wally's appearance and personality, but he has the same job as Barry and seemed to get his powers in the same way as Barry does (of course, Wally got his powers in the comics in a freak accident that exactly duplicated the circumstances that gave Barry his powers, so maybe that doesn't mean much). Similarly, in the Green Lantern episode of Superman, Kyle Rayner was given traits of both Kyle from the comics and the Silver Age Green Lantern, Hal Jordan. So Wally might be the same way; the character itself is unquestionably Wally West, but has enough backstory elements from another character that make their comics history not applicable in certain aspects to the DCAU version.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 27, 2020, 05:33:01 am
That....doesn't particularly narrow it down, because that's kinda also Archie Sonic's deal why this is a pairing.  There isn't considerable rhyme or reason why events conspire with his powers outside Chaos is all and Sonic is Chaos.  I was thinking noteworthy examples of what Flash actually does with his plot...weapon? (Is there are reverse terminology for "plot armor"?)  Like his Still Force canceling planet-wide AoE transformation spells.

I thought the general consensus was that the 2003 Teen Titans were at one early point considered to be an extension of the DCAU, via Static Shock's crossover with Batman also referencing them in a future crossover that disappointingly never happened, but the extremity of the style differences (And I guess conflicting threats; if we're gonna assume the Teen Titans show took place in the DCAU, then how did no one notice Trigon at ALL?  Plus some other much more minor nitpicks but still obstacles like Vandal Savage being immortal and indestructible yet still would be among the dead?) had them back away from it and let it be its own thing.  Besides, going off a single line in a crossover with a different property to validate another one is about as convincing as CN's multiple uses of DC superheroes in their original programming like Powerpuff Girls as canon to the DCAU.

...To which hey, is somehow bizarrely relevant in this crazy alternative universe we must find ourselves living in, because CW's now doing a live-action PPG reboot in the vein and I think same universe as the Arrow and Supergirl t.v. show, with the same staff, so I just don't know what we all did so wrong to Mister Mxyzptlk to make this our reality we live in?
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 27, 2020, 06:20:46 am
And guess who also showed up in the 2003 Teen Titans? The Wally West version of Kid Flash, voiced by the same VA as the Flash in Justice League (and given that the cartoon also features a Robin who is probably Dick Grayson, the timing would all work out; TT03 would have to be set years and years before Justice League, because Dick Grayson had already grown up and become Nightwing by the time the League is formed)!

That's the Wally I was thinking. The one in yellow who gets Jinx to be his girlfriend at the end (and no, I hate the idea of the actual last episode being the LAST episode (stupid cliffhanger)). And yes, you are right! The Robin in the 2003 version of Teen Titans is Dick Grayson! One episode where he comes across his mini self, like how Batman had that magical biggest fan in Brave and the Bold who got the show cancelled, and his name was Nosyarg Kicd, and they decide to call him Larry for short. But all the events would make sense for the show to eventually come into the Justice League (at least come close to it anyway).

Anyway, the Wally I looked up was the one with the weird hair, which makes sense for the yellow (to match the rest of the outfit imo), but all red with the hair just looked really odd to me. Also, I just thought of the Young Justice version. Dang it!
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2020, 06:42:21 am
2003 Teen Titans had some extremely weird rules about what they could and couldn't use; one aspect of which is the uncertainty about who the Robin is in the series. They could only hint at it with things like the weird Bat-Mite esque stand-in, or recreating the iconic "Robin swears an oath to fight crime" thing from Robin's Golden Age origin, except they had to crop the scene to hide Batman because they weren't allowed to show him or reference him at all directly. (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/5f/08/cc5f08d493ae63c6c2af26401b8b1503.jpg)

Even still, I remember back in the grand old days when message boards were huge, there were still a lot of arguments about whether the Robin was Dick or Tim (or possibly even Jason somehow), even with all those minor references. It would've been so much easier if they were allowed to just actually say any of this stuff in the show! The DCAU ran into the same kinds of issues too, the infamous Bat-embargo caused them to be unable to reference anything relating to Batman (outside of Batman himself, cuz he was grandfathered into the show), which led to an episode about Barbara Gordon retiring and becoming Oracle getting scrapped, as well as them not being able to include any Batman villains in the Legion of Doom.

I thought the general consensus was that the 2003 Teen Titans were at one early point considered to be an extension of the DCAU, via Static Shock's crossover with Batman also referencing them in a future crossover that disappointingly never happened, but the extremity of the style differences (And I guess conflicting threats; if we're gonna assume the Teen Titans show took place in the DCAU, then how did no one notice Trigon at ALL?  Plus some other much more minor nitpicks but still obstacles like Vandal Savage being immortal and indestructible yet still would be among the dead?) had them back away from it and let it be its own thing.
There was a Teen Titans show in development from the DCAU crew in the late 90s (specifically focused on the OG crew of Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, and Speedy), but it was shelved early on in development in favor of Batman Beyond. Nevertheless, that might be the specific version of the Titans they were referencing in Static Shock; after all, they're specifically only referred to as "the Titans", which implies they've dropped the "Teen" from their name (much in the same way that The New Teen Titans suddenly became The New Titans once most of the characters could no longer convincingly be called teenagers, though of course the "New" Titans had started off pretty old for teens to begin with!)
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Post by: Lichtbringer on August 29, 2020, 07:35:09 pm
In the DCAU, the Flash that appears in Justice League is Wally, with no direct references to there being another one before him. But there's some small references that could support that argument: there is a Kid Flash costume in the background of the Flash Museum in one episode, and there's the Titans of it all, which is its own bag of worms.

Not only that in one scene you can also see the helmet of Jay Garrick in the Museum, and that makes everything even more confusing.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 31, 2020, 08:36:47 pm
Wallabee Beatles:
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 02, 2020, 11:20:05 pm
Archie Andrews

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2020, 02:56:53 am
They're really pushing the ridiculousness of what Archie Sonic can do.  Kinda leading a bit too strong if the preview already out the gate remarks his stats are utterly incalculable.  Wonder now if this is their intended "joke fight" of the season and Wally was chosen to be the fall guy for a joke episode.  And look, there's that silly water ball feat Ben had a mental breakdown over in DBC a while back over.  And the Judge Dredd Sonic one too, for that matter.

I mean, props if they can explain Wally winning, Archie Sonic just kinda coasts on Mary Sue logic a bit heavy for laughs.

Been reading the handful random Flash things I have.  Noted in the start of Rebirth it was brought up that speedsters are kinda not in actual control over their Speed Force's desires; if you hit a certain speed, you are not allowed to slow down any more unless it wants you to or you have other outside help.  Not....quite sure how sentient the Speed Force is, then, but I can imagine a scenario with Flash locked into a motion outside his control and yet Sonic is still faster so he takes advantage of that to kill.

I think I'm just mostly looking forward to their necessary calcs on how fast Death the individual is in the D.C. universe, and if they're including Sandman and other wonky interpretations.


New episode.  Oi vey.

I notice they switch between atoms and molecules like they're the same thing.  Also noted that was an oversight on the Beerus/Galaxia episode, too.  Also they didn't try to rate Death's speed, just both in the fight have infinite speed.  That's a shame.
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Post by: Person Man on September 07, 2020, 07:38:39 pm


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Next up is Winter Soldier vs Red Hood.  Chances are good that Jason Todd takes an easy win because, you know.  DC.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 07, 2020, 08:08:39 pm
I think many other debaters will go over every other little detail to comb out of that episode, but I think the main ones that're bothering me, besides the weird repeat of "atoms = molecules" (I don't think I'm going to get over that Galaxia episode, it's just SO wrong) is the about-face on the Chaos Force according to them mid-episode went from magic to naturally occurring energy because Mega Man.  Having to explain "magic" at all is a lost cause, but switching sides like that just seems really wrong.

Also, fate powers.  That's....a bit of a stretch on both sides.  Archie controls the fate on his universe, so it shouldn't necessarily mean anything to someone outside of it like Flash, but Flash's feats of escaping it stem from his Speed Force nonsense explicitly.  He can't, like, be fated to stub his toe on a piece of furniture, and choose for that not to happen.  If we're doing that whole universal equalizing thing versus debates do, then.....Flash has jack he can do about it from start to end.  He really doesn't have much to counter "Sonic chooses your fate is you die this episode".  If we're not equalizing them, then both their fate feats can just be crossed out.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 10, 2020, 09:56:32 pm
weird kinda cross promotion

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Post by: Long John Killer on September 11, 2020, 04:22:41 am
Not to be unfair to the show without watching it or reading the comic it's apparently based on, but god am I just so done with the "Evil Superman" trope still being dragged around as the main go-to for D.C. representation.  So now here's Injustice the T.V. show parody being the new hot product getting hit by the advertisement stick.  Wonderful.  That not-Speedster dude killing someone by running into her and splattering her then just moving on with a shrug and a "whoops" makes it seem like this show's a comedy, too.  Or if it's a drama and that's their moment of levity before returning to the serious stuff.....woof, that's not landing.

This has nothing to do with Death Battle as it's not interfering with their schedule or anything as they repeat a few times, do whatever they want with their bonus promo, I'm just annoyed at the show at a conceptual level.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 11, 2020, 03:10:28 pm
Thats an unfair criticism really if you haven't even watched or read it.
It's actually really good, and not as black and white as just "Evil Superman"...
A-Train running through Robin is the main driving point of the protagonist Hughie, so just watching a promo or trailer you dont really get the scene.
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Post by: Long John Killer on September 11, 2020, 10:32:40 pm
It probably is, and I'm willing to bet there's some degree of effort put into it and it's a fine enough show for the audience its targeting.  It's just also one of a thousand.  You get one of these "What if the Justice League was BAD!?!?!?" scenarios and I'm already zoned out, the topic has been bled dry at this point.  In this case, it just looks like Watchmen's version of the Justice League.  Wowee.

If that comical splatter was supposed to be a serious moment it really doesn't come across in the shot there.  Looks like a scene from Epic Movie or one of its many spinoffs.

So, the Flash vs Sonic Q&A had a lot to cover, but one thing that's frankly bizarre beyond the rest of the questions is they say the end of the fight isn't Flash going back or forward in time to overpower base Sonic....it's he has the power to force someone to live their entire lifespan instantly by touching them?  Huh?
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 18, 2020, 09:32:50 pm
Queen Maeve sprites look nice

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 18, 2020, 10:29:29 pm
I thought it was a neat side Death Battle because I just started watching The Boys (I've only watched the first two episodes so far) and it's quite something to see heroes in this world being bad. It's like Watchmen, but with a much larger corporate overtone here.

Also, I do kind of wished that Black Noir was in the fight since the series is different from the comics (where he's a literal clone of Homelander and does a lot of the more heinous actions committed by him) and it would be nice to see them all fight.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Gennos on September 18, 2020, 10:50:09 pm
It probably is, and I'm willing to bet there's some degree of effort put into it and it's a fine enough show for the audience its targeting.  It's just also one of a thousand.  You get one of these "What if the Justice League was BAD!?!?!?" scenarios and I'm already zoned out, the topic has been bled dry at this point.  In this case, it just looks like Watchmen's version of the Justice League.  Wowee.

If that comical splatter was supposed to be a serious moment it really doesn't come across in the shot there.  Looks like a scene from Epic Movie or one of its many spinoffs.
Man you are wrong on so many levels its unbelievable. The Boys is Garth Ennis deconstruction of the superhero genre, in which he openly mocks the cynical commercialization of superheros and the comic book industry to a degree.
The comic book does an excellent job of humanizing all of the characters. The superheros are not "evil" in the sense that they're one note tyrants or whatever. They're alcoholics, they're rapists, sexual deviants, sociopaths and mentally unstable motherfuckers. The superheros here are like shitty hollywood actors in our world but with super powers. They're not villains, as a matter of a fact, the real villains of the boys are a corporate entity that controls those heros.
Their irreverence is perfectly shown in the trailer when Hughie's girlfriend is suddenly butchered by a negligent superhero who doesn't give a shit and will probably not be held accountable for it.
This is a classic case of judging a book by its cover.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Nemuresu on September 19, 2020, 12:15:55 am
Queen Maeve sprites look nice

Let's see:
*Queen Maeve is Loganir's Wonder Woman
*The Deep is Namor by ZVitor and friends.
*A-Train is Quicksilver also by ZVitor
*Starlight is Ms. Marvel by Acey and ZVitor
*Billy Butcher is Garret Laurel by Sean Altly
*And while possibly just a coincidence, Stormfront looks like Storm by Alucard
And none of them appear in the credits.

I know that Death Battle is known for using Mugen creations for their work and whatnot, but man couldn't they at least mention them for the work they edited? None of those names they put on the credits sound like any of the creators.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 19, 2020, 03:00:50 am
Man you are wrong on so many levels its unbelievable. The Boys is Garth Ennis deconstruction of the superhero genre, in which he openly mocks the cynical commercialization of superheros and the comic book industry to a degree.
The comic book does an excellent job of humanizing all of the characters. The superheros are not "evil" in the sense that they're one note tyrants or whatever. They're alcoholics, they're rapists, sexual deviants, sociopaths and mentally unstable motherfuckers. The superheros here are like shitty hollywood actors in our world but with super powers. They're not villains, as a matter of a fact, the real villains of the boys are a corporate entity that controls those heros.
Their irreverence is perfectly shown in the trailer when Hughie's girlfriend is suddenly butchered by a negligent superhero who doesn't give a shit and will probably not be held accountable for it.
This is a classic case of judging a book by its cover.
So it's just Watchmen as I said before.  You are essentially describing Watchmen except, I dunno, Starship Troopers mixed in I guess?

That's FINE, but I never was the biggest fan of Watchmen in the grand scheme of things to begin with.  Don't care about this bore of a direction out of deconstructing the superhero genre for all its faults anymore.  Yeah, yeah, world's not so black and white, shocker.  Would be nice to get back to "superheroes" being on the brighter side, at least the clear D.C. parallels. 
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Gennos on September 19, 2020, 07:10:09 am
But the point of The Boys is not "who watches the watchmen". Its a satirical comic book that mocks superheros and their commercialization.
Also, why would The Boys confirm to DC's standards? its an independent comic book written by one guy who dislikes superheros. If you want another cookie cutter superhero teamup, no one is stopping you from going out there and grabbing one of the countless justice league books or their rip-offs.

The boys does something different, and it does it damn well. Its not for you, I understand. But you shouldn't dismiss it as evil superheros book or another Watchmen ripoff, when its far away from it.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 19, 2020, 07:18:26 am
Man you are wrong on so many levels its unbelievable. The Boys is Garth Ennis deconstruction of the superhero genre, in which he openly mocks the cynical commercialization of superheros and the comic book industry to a degree.
I dunno, I think The Boys comic is complete fucking dogshit. It's not a particularly interesting or compelling deconstruction, it doesn't really bring anything new to the table, and it's just so up its own ass that I couldn't bring myself to watch the TV show at all, despite hearing fairly good things about it. That's how unpleasant reading the comic was to me. Like I get it Garth Ennis, you really fucking hate superheroes (except Superman), great! Then stop fucking writing about them if you don't have anything interesting to say about them!

The Boys is really not a fair comparison to Watchmen, which was genuinely groundbreaking, and is a technical marvel; the mastery Moore and Gibbons had in their storytelling is evident in every single panel. Like the plot or not, but the plot is merely one aspect to the book as a whole. The Boys, meanwhile, is just a fairly average 2000s comic in terms of its construction; not only did it not totally reshape all comics made after it like Watchmen did, it came and went without a ton of fanfare. Like it was popular enough to get a TV show, obviously, but so have a lot of other things from that era. It was just another comic book. Watchmen... is Watchmen.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 19, 2020, 04:05:45 pm
I've never read the comic, so yeah... My thought process was that the heroes in this series was like Watchmen in terms of how the heroes have mostly no morals within them. That's it. I didn't think of it any deeper then that.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 20, 2020, 04:59:02 am
The thing that makes Watchmen different is that its heroes all do have pretty strong moral codes, with very few exceptions—the Comedian is a nihilist who believes in nothing, only seeking to cause violence, and Dr. Manhattan's whole deal is of course that he has absolutely zero agency and sees no real value in human life ("A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there's no discernible difference. Life and death are unquantifiable abstracts. Why should I be concerned?"), though he reverses the latter position over the course of the story. The more normal people (relatively speaking, since they're all immensely screwed up to be running around in costumes and beating people up), such as Nite Owl and Silk Spectre, all have their various foibles but by and large have moral codes that most people would align with.

Instead, it is the two people with the strongly held moral codes, Rorschach and Ozymandias, that reveal some of the major points of horror in Watchmen: both of these masked vigilantes have extremely strong codes of ethics that they follow, but these codes both lead them to commit horrific acts of violence. It's all well and good to follow a code of ethics, but superheroes, by their most fundamental nature, go out and enforce their ethical code onto others. And so you have Rorschach—a deranged bigot, lover of the most absurd conspiracy theories, and arch-Randian—who sees everything in pure black and white, out roaming the streets delivering his vision of justice onto anyone unfortunate to run into him. On the other hand, there's Ozymandias, whose goals are all extremely noble: he wants to prevent the extinction of humanity from the ever-growing threat of nuclear war. He truly and deeply wants to literally save the world... and of course, he does this through the murder of millions of people.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Lichtbringer on September 20, 2020, 09:53:37 pm
its an independent comic book written by one guy who dislikes superheros.

That seems like a good reason to just ignore it I guess. ö.ö
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Sean Altly on September 21, 2020, 01:56:37 am
Queen Maeve sprites look nice

Let's see:
*Queen Maeve is Loganir's Wonder Woman
*The Deep is Namor by ZVitor and friends.
*A-Train is Quicksilver also by ZVitor
*Starlight is Ms. Marvel by Acey and ZVitor
*Billy Butcher is Garret Laurel by Sean Altly
*And while possibly just a coincidence, Stormfront looks like Storm by Alucard
And none of them appear in the credits.

I know that Death Battle is known for using Mugen creations for their work and whatnot, but man couldn't they at least mention them for the work they edited? None of those names they put on the credits sound like any of the creators.

I'm glad somebody else noticed this. It's one thing for my Scorpion sprites to get used because that's not my character, and at least they tried to credit me (and misspelled my name), but Laurel feels different. I did base a lot of anims on Eagle from CVS2 but this one is really rubbing me the wrong way. I might have fucked up putting "use my stuff for whatever you want" in my signature here, I meant for Mugen not for videos getting millions of views that are sponsored by one of the biggest companies in the world. :/
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: DatKofGuy on September 21, 2020, 11:17:09 pm
I'm salty over this one, so bring on the salt
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 22, 2020, 02:30:19 am
Huh.  They changed the thumbnail, was live-action stills before just like their last live-action fight with Nightwing and Daredevil.  And a very poor choice in Winter Soldier's replacement artwork that looks nothing like him in the fight....?  Bizarre.

Them giving Red Hood the Supergirl feat then pulling it away after the fight was ridiculous misleading presentation.  Also I won't claim to know the ins and outs of all D.C. and Marvel organizations, but literally the Best of the Best humanity has to offer League of Assassins seems to me a fair bit higher on the totem pole of teachers than WWII slugfests and questionably effective brainwashing.  Especially when prior D.C. match with Black Canary said all D.C. "average" humans are noticeably stronger, faster and more durable than real world comparisons.  I dunno, just me.

Man, I don't think I've agreed with a thing they've done this season since its return.  The piss poor Sailor Moon rep after 5-so years of occasionally bringing up Beerus vs Galaxia in random Screw Attack bits still burns the most, but this is starting to really suck at guessing, man.  At least their Wally/Sonic one they had to throw up their hands in the air and guess as well that unanswerable multiversal controlling power might not equal other unanswerable multiversal controlling power.

Well, anyways, don't have much say on the next one.  A friend gifted me the entire blu-ray series of Soul Eater....and I kinda never got around to watching it.  I dunno why, but the very first episode ticked me off the wrong way making mentally ill people just monsters to collect for Maka and Soul, and the occasional other times I caught it on t.v. it was just....not gripping.  I'm told this guy is like reverse-Venom, though, the black ooze stuff is all inside him.  And apparently he has a significant sound attack, so.....R.I.P. Venom?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 22, 2020, 03:54:06 am
My biggest thought in the fight was 'Can Red Hood do any damage to the metal arm of the Winter Soldier'?

Well, it didn't sound like it was needed since they said that Bucky had more experience then Jason (Which.. sort of makes sense... maybe?). But, yet Red Hood has Venom.. wouldn't that give him the strength boost needed to break off the metal arm (or least break parts of it)?

The next battle... Never heard of Soul Eater. Looks like I'll need to research that series before going in.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 23, 2020, 03:19:33 am
It's been a long time since I've watched Soul Eater. As far as I remember, is kind of like demon hunter's academy, but with the added bonus of people who can transform into weapons (for example, one of main characters can transform into a scythe for the other to use, while another has two people that transform into two separate guns.), and they strategize from each other. However, I think the two need to have an agreement, or at the very least, tolerate each other for that bond to work. There's one guy/weapon called Excalibur that is said to be very powerful, however, the guy itself is just a pain in the ass and in his own little world, so no really wants to work with him (one guy came close to him, but ended because he caught a cold or didn't care about germs or something.)

Because of that this battle is which of the two fighters makes a better team for the other? (In this case, the Symbiote, or the weapon called Ragnarok.)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 24, 2020, 08:18:43 am
Also I won't claim to know the ins and outs of all D.C. and Marvel organizations, but literally the Best of the Best humanity has to offer League of Assassins seems to me a fair bit higher on the totem pole of teachers than WWII slugfests and questionably effective brainwashing.
It's not just that. The video neglects to mention this (which is understandable, these episodes are overly long as it is), but Bucky was essentially raised on an Army Base after being orphaned, and from a pretty early age was learning all the basics that the soldiers being trained there were learning. He had such a natural aptitude to it that the higher ups noticed, and that's why they fast tracked him to getting training from a variety of different sources, like the British SAS (and many others, unmentioned by the video). By the time he was done, he was an absolute expert soldier and combatant, and that's why he was recruited to be Captain America's sidekick. The basic idea was that Bucky would serve two purposes: he'd be the squeaky clean smiling kid sidekick of Captain America in public, but out in the field, he'd be a merciless black ops soldier who'd sneak behind enemy lines, and would quickly and silently take out enemy soldiers while Captain America led the charge on the front lines (which also preserved Cap's image as a propaganda tool—distancing himself from the wetwork Bucky was doing while also placing Cap in a very visible role that could raise the morale of everyone around him). Death Battle uses panels from and references exclusively the Golden Age version of Bucky's recruitment, which has since been supplanted by the later one that Ed Brubaker developed in the same story that brought Bucky back as the Winter Soldier. The Golden Age origin was recontextualized into the "official" origin story for Bucky that the government promoted for propaganda purposes during WWII, much in the same way as the Golden Age Captain America comics themselves are in-universe pieces of propaganda that aren't the actual full truth of what Captain America was up to back in WWII (though they are somewhat inspired by the "real adventures"; essentially allowing creators to use stuff from those stories if they'd like, but also give them the freedom to disregard those old stories entirely).

As an aside, that that backstory revision I just described would ordinarily make me roll my eyes and stop reading. Both of those ideas, of Bucky really being a black ops soldier disguised as a friendly kid sidekick, and bringing him back 40 years after he was unceremoniously killed off by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee—as an edgy brainwashed assassin with a metal arm, no less!—are both ideas that simply shouldn't work, ideas that if they appeared in almost any other context would be awful, a symptom of everything wrong with superhero comics. And yet... Brubaker makes it all work. That Captain America run is just too damn good; it's easily the best Captain America run of this century, and stands alongside all the other standout runs on the character.

Anyways, I wouldn't put much stock into the League of Assassins training stuff; every member of the Bat-family can beat up League of Assassins goons by the dozen (I certainly wouldn't describe them as the best of humanity at all, even among the non-henchmen types; not even R'as himself really qualifies); Jason Todd's training from Batman is far more relevant here. Which is honestly more than sufficient for this match-up! Batman's definitely more skilled, has more training, and is probably the better fighter (technically speaking) between him and Captain America. For that reason, I can totally buy that Jason has had overall better training/mastery of martial arts over Bucky, even if Bucky has waaaaaaaaaaaaay more experience overall and had a good deal more training. It also really should be noted that Captain America himself is no slouch: he's an insanely talented fighter who's received a lot of training, and has trained most Avengers (including Bucky himself) in hand-to-hand combat; in comics, "trained by Captain America" is shorthand for "is one of the best fighters in the world", and to defeat them in single combat you have to be a character who's like, whole gimmick is insane levels of martial arts mastery (i.e., Shang-Chi should absolutely demolish Hawkeye in a purely hand-to-hand fight, but Hawkeye should be evenly matched with say, Bullseye, again in a strictly hand-to-hand fight).

I think the best way to look at this fight is to examine it using the Batman/Captain America fight from JLA/Avengers, which is officially in continuity for both publishers (or was, at least, for DC, until the New 52... but maybe now it's back in continuity! Who knows! DC sure doesn't!). Those two fought briefly in it, and seemed pretty evenly matched; however, Batman noted that he suspected that the fight would go on for quite a long time, and that he could tell that Captain America's slightly beyond peak human physiology would probably give him the edge in the end (right after he said this, both he and Cap admitted to each other that they thought they were being manipulated to fight by the forces that brought them together and mutually agreed to stop fighting). And this was coming from early 2000s "Batgod" JLA-ass Batman, who'd be loath to admit he was anything other than the most perfect being on the planet! And that's a very fair take on such a match-up, one that I agree with: Batman has the edge when it comes to pure skill and quality of martial arts training, but Captain America is close behind him, and his enhanced physiology not only cancels out Batman's edge in skill, but it will ultimately see him the victor in a prolonged fight. Almost the same exact setup is here with Bucky and Jason: Jason probably has the slight edge when it comes to training, but Bucky's metal arm is just an such an overwhelming might that Jason's slight superiority in martial arts won't do him much good against.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 24, 2020, 01:22:59 pm
Another thing I would say is worth considering is the fact that while both of them have access to superhuman levels of strength, Bucky's is innate and permanent while Jason's is a short burst from a drug.  So unless the Venom gave him enough of a boost to overwhelmingly outclass the Infinity Formula (which it doesn't), or his training was significantly higher than Bucky's to be able to end the fight instantly if given a slight strength advantage (which it isn't) then Jason really wouldn't be able to stand up to Bucky in the long run.

Anyways, I wouldn't put much stock into the League of Assassins training stuff; every member of the Bat-family can beat up League of Assassins goons by the dozen (I certainly wouldn't describe them as the best of humanity at all, even among the non-henchmen types; not even R'as himself really qualifies)

That's the Inverse Ninja Law in action; one assassin is an elite and powerful adversary.  A group of assassins are easily dispatched cannon fodder.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2020, 07:36:37 am
Another thing I would say is worth considering is the fact that while both of them have access to superhuman levels of strength, Bucky's is innate and permanent while Jason's is a short burst from a drug.  So unless the Venom gave him enough of a boost to overwhelmingly outclass the Infinity Formula (which it doesn't), or his training was significantly higher than Bucky's to be able to end the fight instantly if given a slight strength advantage (which it isn't) then Jason really wouldn't be able to stand up to Bucky in the long run.
I guess it's technically correct but I found it really weird that they were talking about the Infinity Formula as giving Bucky abilities beyond a normal human. Like sure I guess the accelerated healing and shit is true, but otherwise, all the Infinity Formula is supposed to do is make you immortal. Several characters that have it, like Nick Fury Sr. and Black Widow, are definitely just regular humans. Bucky is treated the same way: he's not at all a match for Captain America's enhanced physique—although interestingly enough, Captain America is also considered in large part to not be super-powered either: he's definitely capable of feats of strength, agility, and speed that would be impossible to even the greatest of athletes, but that's all stuff the human body is theoretically capable of; if someone strictly followed a perfect diet and workout regiment for their entire lives, starting from their birth, they'd be capable of the same stuff, it's just the Super-Soldier serum can give anyone that body instantly, even a 90 pound weakling like Steve used to be!

No, Bucky's real dominating factor here, and the reason why he could keep up with Captain America when he was still brainwashed, is that metal arm. The super strength it provides him helped ensure that when he became Captain America after Steve died, there wasn't a "downgrade", so to speak, in terms of superheroic combat ability. And it's that metal arm that gives him such an advantage over Jason, even if Jason's taken a dose of venom; while venom might theoretically give Jason the edge in strength (I'm honestly not sure that it would, I feel like they'd be evenly matched at best), Bucky's arm isn't a temporary boost, nor does it have all the deleterious effects that venom has on the people who take it.

That's the Inverse Ninja Law in action; one assassin is an elite and powerful adversary.  A group of assassins are easily dispatched cannon fodder.
Exactly; this is just the inverse ninja law, but applied to training. Jason didn't get any special training from any named League characters. Which is nothing special nor very persuasive in an argument for who would win in a fight, again because a horde of ninjas are jobbers, and thus also a horde of ninjas training Jason Todd isn't gonna help him improve over any of the training he already had from Batman.

But this has been changed, post New 52, apparently. Now he has received training from both Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger while he was under the care of the League of Assassins, which is incredibly stupid and dumb—both characters had associations with the League, but neither one has ever been a willing full time member (Shiva was briefly associated with them in her youth, long before she became a professional assassin and master of martial arts; Bronze Tiger was kidnapped and brainwashed by the League for a period of time, and then subsequently freed); perhaps their tenures are yet another shitty change made by the New 52—but ultimately it's quite different from Jason being trained by a bunch of nobodies. Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger are among the best martial artists in all of DC (Lady Shiva is probably the absolute number one, and Bronze Tiger is arguably better than Batman), and I'd feel comfortable saying that this training would be better than the stuff he learned from Batman (but then again, maybe Shiva and Tiger are no longer as good as they were before the New 52, I certainly don't know!).

... although, all this Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger shit was written by absolute massive piece of shit and serial sexual harasser Scott Lobdell, so fuck it, we don't have to consider any of it. Dude just finished his 9 year run/stranglehold on Jason Todd, where he wrote Jason as an author avatar who was constantly shown to be the most badass cool guy with all the coolest shit, and it's this run where most of his big impressive training, weapons and other equipment, and feats come from that were cited by Death Battle. So yeah, fuck all that shit Bucky should've killed him harder.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 28, 2020, 10:40:36 pm
Venom preview is up
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 29, 2020, 03:04:01 am
Knowing literally nothing about Soul Eater, a cursory bit of research seems to indicate that Crona has no fire or sound-based abilities, which IIRC was the crux of why Bane lost to Venom last time.  Anyone know what type of feats Crona has that would make them a match for Eddy?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 29, 2020, 04:06:35 am
Knowing literally nothing about Soul Eater, a cursory bit of research seems to indicate that Crona has no fire or sound-based abilities, which IIRC was the crux of why Bane lost to Venom last time.  Anyone know what type of feats Crona has that would make them a match for Eddy?

Even with a cursory bit of research (I.E. TV Tropes), there is hope for Crona. Her weapon, Ragnarok, can scream loud enough to incapacitate enemies.

Also... Crona and Ragnarok are one in the same. Ragnarok is her blood (Squick).
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: MAO11 on September 29, 2020, 08:57:10 am
Knowing literally nothing about Soul Eater, a cursory bit of research seems to indicate that Crona has no fire or sound-based abilities, which IIRC was the crux of why Bane lost to Venom last time.  Anyone know what type of feats Crona has that would make them a match for Eddy?

she does , all her moves are based from her screaming. mind control won't work on her , she's already insane. if they use the manga as a basis then crona would win this. i've never seen venom perform amazing feats except from what if's storylines.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 29, 2020, 12:42:42 pm
Ah, I stand corrected then.  I was looking at a wiki, and that made it look like all they had were weird blood manipulation stuff.  Like I said: Literally no knowledge on the source material so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

It was enough to see where DB found enough aesthetic similarities to pit them against Venom, but if they use soundwaves as a weapon then I could see DB giving Crona the edge in that regard.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 30, 2020, 10:03:29 pm
Crona preview is up
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 05, 2020, 07:25:56 pm

And there's the full thing.

Next fight's certainly an odd one.  It's Red vs Blue.  Literally.  It's the Red Team of RvB versus the Blue Team.  I think they're gonna need to explain that a bit more before any conclusions can be drawn, between team members of them coming and going and the tank kinda being alive.  It's been a while since watching as well, no ide what they've been doing since switching to Halo 4 so 8 years behind.

I mean, for the basic guys that stick around though, they're all complete idiots but it'll probably come down to Sarge being kind of an idiot savant with his shotgun or Caboose being a full-on cartoon character and just goofing his way out of situations.

Also as an aside, this is the second episode in a row they had one thumbnail for the episode prior to release then changed it after its out.  Wonder why?  Nothing wrong with either of them before, personally liked both better before.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 12, 2020, 07:04:27 pm
Red Team is up
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 12, 2020, 09:44:43 pm
Ehhhh.....'kay.  I really do not want to know 343 stuff since their, like, entire history post-2010 and whenever Evolutions and Legends came out, so my knowledge of their somewhat tying in RvB to actual Halo canon has been foggy, but to the extent I've seen its just been easter eggs keeping at arms length as possible as to be considered actual canon (Its been years since touching Halo 4's Spartan Ops but I think the Caboose easter egg even has their audio log coming in via wormhole?).  To then just handwave Freelancer as actual UNSC content as fact....besides being a big ol' middle finger to the Spartan-II project and Halo's whole Covenant War lore, at best RvB prior was to be taken as an alt. universe where Spartans weren't a thing, this likewise means they'd need to take real Halo canon lore and stats and whatnot into affect, even where they contradict RvB.

Also Simmon's color change is just a options menu joke, so....like, I get WHY it's included, but it's not like it is consistent to his other reaction times.  Because it's a joke.  This reminds me of their breakdown with Yang, another Roster Teeth character with a joke taken at face value when that wasn't the intention.  Also they literally can not take off their armor by themselves, besides helmets obviously.  No Spartan or Freelancer can, it has to be done by outside help.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 17, 2020, 10:01:34 pm
Okay, so Red vs. Blue won't happen this week. It's being pushed back for the debut of Red vs. Blue: ZERO (Which sounds like a soft drink more then a series).

In its place is a match up most people have been looking forward to: Sabrewulf vs. Jon Talbain. This battle happens in two weeks with Red vs. Blue being the following battle.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 18, 2020, 03:59:57 am
Having not interacted with Darkstalkers in forever because Capcom is a complete tease and won't actually do anything new with it, I don't remember everything that happened story-wise.  Read one of the mangas for it not not too long ago though, maybe about 2 months ago?  Generally though, the Darkstalkers world works with much higher power levels and stakes than Killer Instinct, and Sabrewulf I think just fights based on animal instincts whereas Jon's still got his training on his side.

Rare, or their predecessor company anyways, had another game in the 80's titled Sabre Wulf that KI's character is based off of, dunno how much that'll tie in or if they'd find reason to even try.  Not a whole lot to go off of anyways from what I recall playing of it; you find a blue werewolf while out on safari, you touch it you die.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 18, 2020, 05:28:17 am
I highly doubt that anything from that old game they can tie into Sabrewulf.. but you are right on him basically using his animal instincts (To a degree..) to fight compared to Talbain, who basically underwent a training from hell in order to tame the beast within him (In fact, he did that twice: once during the events of the first game so people can accept him as a member of society and then again during the events of the third game after he confronted his dark side)

Sabrewulf does have a fighting chance in that because he is an older werewolf, he's far more patient and exhibits better self control then he did in his younger years. It's not the same as what Talbain went through, but it does give him something to work with.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: yaret on October 18, 2020, 05:22:55 pm
is there a way to see Dexter from showtime vs Akira from Death note? they prefer not to fight but the psychology fight would be really cool to see it
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 18, 2020, 06:40:54 pm
They have an official suggestion box that they have linked in the video descriptions of the fights, but I don't know if they'd go for something like that.  They much more prefer fights that have less variables that are impossible to lock down, and pitting solely intelligence versus intelligence is hard to do right compared to "Power level X is greater than power level Y".  Lest you get weird turnouts like Joker versus Sweet Tooth, where every variable says Sweet Tooth dominates except intelligence having one talk the other straight into their death.  They don't even do army fights like they've shown interest prior in StarCraft's Zerg versus Halo's Flood because determining who's the better mastermind between them won't get you anywhere fast, to say nothing of the randomness of army versus army. (Though I'd have to imagine that one's clear-cut Flood wins, I dunno?)

And yeah, I don't think there's gonna be a LOT to draw from with the Sabre Wulf game for KI's character, but it is a reoccurring easter egg in Rare games to have the Sabrewulf character show up in other titles like Jet Force Gemini so I wouldn't be surprised if they acknowledge it in the video is all.  Don't think it'll help his chances much in this case though.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 18, 2020, 07:28:57 pm
That is true... intelligence is harder to pin down.

Another thing to add in for Talbain: His bloodline. His father is *supposedly* one of the higher ranking members in Makai itself. I think that will play a large role.

Sabrewulf is smart enough to use alchemy. Now, whether that skill is strong enough to withstand whatever power is in Talbain's blood remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: D.R.B on October 26, 2020, 10:21:59 pm
oh well, I wasn't looking forward to Red Vs Blue anyway

so
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 27, 2020, 03:54:28 am
I highly doubt that anything from that old game they can tie into Sabrewulf.
I wouldn't be surprised. Most people don't know much about the series, but some characters are surprisingly overpowered, Morrigan being one example, having such god-like powers that her father had to split them in three when she was a child, for fear of her destroying herself and Makai, one third stayed with Morrigan, another stayed with her father and the last eventually became Lilith. As Morrigan grew older, her father's death returned part of her powers and Lilith returned to her, basically making her a goddess again. The only reason she doesn't act more like the Queen of Makai is because she really doesn't give a shit, she finds it all boring and prefers fighting and sex (apparently, the succubi from her family can replace sex with fighting as a means of feeding, obviously an excuse for her to not fuck anyone in a fighting game).

Anyway, I'd like to direct you guys to The Nostalgic Gamer's Darkstalkers Forever Project (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuzXM6Wx_4n2R18xpPNdZChZHC6xYVXhQ), a series of videos in which he talks about the games' history and the characters' canon lore.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on October 28, 2020, 11:00:00 pm
Jon Arbuckle

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2020, 07:51:22 pm

Full episode's out.  Back to previously scheduled RvB next time.

Hm, I'd heard they had issues approaching this episode's fight from a friend that they were not going to go 2D because of the clashing sprites and 3D because of Jon's lack of model so expected they were doing another Samurai Jack vs Afro Samurai.  Ah well.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 01, 2020, 09:06:51 pm
Spoiler: Winner (click to see content)
Next time we get the Blue VS Red thing. Honestly... does anyone give a shit? Because they seem to be making a big deal out of this but I find myself completely unable to care.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 01, 2020, 09:59:13 pm
Red vs Blue was niche comedy from the get-go, funny as it was, and has only continued post-Monty Oum's death and 343's franchise takeover to dwindle in relevance as Halo in general has.  But it's not particularly surprising they're making a big deal out of this considering they're all one big happy family now over at Roster Teeth.

Myself, I stopped when the series supposedly stopped its semi-serious story with Church and the A.I. stuff.  And considering the hoops they had to jump through for last RvB Death Battle episode for Carolina to win against the one who effortless beat her and her superior simultaneously, I'm not particularly looking to getting back into it and seeing what they've done to the cast.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on November 11, 2020, 10:26:15 pm
Scarlet



Azure



I've never seen RvB before, but is Blue team supposed to suck?  Like, is that the joke?  All they did in the promo was talk about how dumb, incompetent, and useless they are.   Even the one character they mentioned as being tough or capable in any way was couched with the fact that she's literally programmed for failure.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 11, 2020, 10:41:47 pm
They all suck.  That's the initial joke from the get-go of the series beginning.  They're multiplayer Spartans, but with the competence of the actual players of the game.  From that point they made their own lore and narrative that half-hijacks story bits from canon Halo and recontextualizes the clips to suit their needs or I guess, now since 343, just dances on the edge of being canon somehow.

Some wonky feats to tie calcs here.  No real reason to specify Tex can lift the Scorpion tank when they all can, hell Halo 3 tounge-in-cheek showcases the ridiculousness that they can lift an Elephant mobile armored base (https://www.halopedia.org/M313_Elephant).  And if they're already taking from regular Halo lore, then one of the novels, think Cole Protocol (Haven't read them in, like, over a decade) has a member of Spartan Grey Team tear a Warthog jeep in half and use each end to smash Grunts like in one of the Hulk movies.  Tex alone being there should by and large mean Blue team wins unless they write her off because of that fate nonsense.  She already beat both teams by herself effortlessly sans Church, whom is on the same team in this DB case.



Caboose is also there, who is the idiot savant who survives everything that should kill him and he just has toonforce strength and durability at times, so all other things considered he'd probably be the last one left anyways.

...Also what the hell, WHY is there a cyclops in there?  Did they have another season that was entirely a dream like the Halo Reach period that was just all wiped away afterwords?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Over the Clouds on November 15, 2020, 11:58:05 pm
Their calculations are horrendous, I'll say that.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 16, 2020, 01:24:21 am
More often than not, their actual math is correct.  An occasional slip-up like Captain Marvel vs Android 18, but when they're wrong, it's not the math per say. (Though Yang and Tifa gets, like, every part wrong so yeah, that one's due its criticism)  It's their variables and interpretation of the sources.  I'm still hung up on that Beerus vs Galaxia episode, because by and large the Sailor Moon verse is infinitely larger than the made up Dragon Ball one following certain limits, because the SM one is by and large based on ours as a supergalaxy going on forever with no limit with endless parallel alternative timelines and universes with their own timelines. (They very confusingly used this against SM because of the Dead Moon Circus always following the expanding edge as a traveling circus, therefor it had a mandatory limit smaller than Dragon Ball's????  This is ironically similar but in reverse to their Superman no-limits fallacy they had in another confusing DB episode of theirs where their variables just don't make sense)

I think the general takeaway is never buy into a Dragon Ball episode of Death Battle.  Even when they're right overall, it has some baffling choices.  At least Hercule was so incredibly down to earth compared to your usual cast member that was rather on the money.  To be fair though, Dragon Ball is a ridiculous series to make sense of mathmatically, Super has been absolutely NO help in that regard and I don't just mean in the power hikes everyone's taken.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 16, 2020, 04:10:55 am
They screwed up hard in Bayonetta VS Dante too, I don't know if things changed with Devil May Cry 5, but Dante wouldn't have beaten her whatsoever. Madama Butterfly's death in that episode was completely ridiculous and goes against what happens to any demon Bayonetta summons.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 16, 2020, 05:14:03 am
I can't vouch with much confidence one way or the other on that one because I've tried to play Bayonetta, like, three times and the game plays fine enough but I hate Bayonetta as a human being because she treats everyone around her, including her past child self, like trash and yet we're told we're supposed to adore her.  Dante I'm currently on a neverending playthrough of his first game, seems less of nuisance of a character, generally cheesy but endearingly so, but game's clunky as hell to get through.  Only thing I could contribute is that Bayonetta's Christian omnipotent God killing feat seems above Dante's general simpler Hell conquering, but Bayonetta's feat required specific circumstances not repeatable in a scenario outside the one given in her game and required outside help as well.

That said, the basic breakdown holds some merit to an outsider.  Dante's got that ridiculous biological-level regen, as long as there's some chunk of him left he'll come back, yeah?  Bayonetta's arsenal does not seem suited for the job of complete obliteration at the cellular level.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 16, 2020, 06:17:48 am
As a personal fan of both games and both characters I can quite confidently say that while Bayonetta would be able to beat Kamiya's Dante quite handily, Dante even in 4 is a freak beast who quite literally is not endangered by anything in existence that doesn't share his blood

Dante in 5 is even further beyond that

He'd take his time with that fight though, they'd both be having fun
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 16, 2020, 07:29:23 pm

And here's the full thing.

Like I said, unsurprising outcome, some wonky calcs mixing actual Halo lore with RvB's stuff they made up and some admissions to veer viewer's outlook on it.  Why say Tex just can beat the Reds when she makes chumps out of the entire cast of characters on both sides outside the Meta?  Why tack on that she needs help killing anyone when that's not been a thing?

Meh.  Don't see what this was gonna spoil about RvB: Zero anyways that they needed to push back the premiere date for.  Anyways, next episode is back to your usually scheduled Marvel vs D.C.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 16, 2020, 07:59:35 pm
What

They already did this fight with the men

There cannot be a difference in outcome with less training on both sides
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 16, 2020, 08:22:52 pm
Is there anything post-Oracle and various D.C. reboots that Batgirl retains from her divergent lifestyle and training I guess as Oracle going back to Batgirl?  Or is that just all kept separate as essentially two different people?  I have not kept that much focus on the in-universe reasoning, but I know that D.C.'s basically merged their multiverse back enough times that multiple cast members retain some degree of alternative universe versions of them's knowledge.

Also Batman versus Spider-Man is old as hell and they've changed their rules a bit since then.  Back then they wouldn't allow something like Batman's Hellbat mech suit thingy but since then if they did a straight reevaluation of that fight they likely would.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 16, 2020, 08:31:31 pm
There's no difference, Barbara doesn't any different set of skills as Oracle than she does as Batgirl and never has

And Gwen Stacy doesn't have any different set of powers than Peter does since it is just a flipped origin, just less experience since she's not as far along in her timeline as him

But experience didn't win the last fight and even though they've vastly improved their research some things were plain even then


Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: BurningSoul on November 16, 2020, 08:55:37 pm
Since gwen is bitten by spider,that shouldd give her strength and durability if they scale her to peter  or miles,does batgirl have any superstrength feat that can let her keep up with gwen I wonder.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 16, 2020, 09:11:38 pm
Only thing I can offer there is if Death Battle wants to be consistent with its previous episodes that they claim that the average peak D.C. human is superhuman when compared to reality, likely in the Captain America range.  But Barbara isn't peak human so not much help determining how exactly much worse Batgirl is to Batman and how that compares to a real world peak human.  Either or, likely a great deal less than someone from the Spider Family.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 17, 2020, 06:13:15 am
But Barbara isn't peak human so not much help determining how exactly much worse Batgirl is to Batman and how that compares to a real world peak human.  Either or, likely a great deal less than someone from the Spider Family.
I mean, she is considered peak human. Peak human just means "anyone who is a street-level superhero"; there's a tacit understanding that they all have absolutely perfect, Olympics-worthy bodies. It's a narrative conceit to help justify how a single person can beat up dozens of people all by themselves, with not much basis in reality.

Now, there could be variance in that category—like maybe it turns out Batman can bench press more than Nightwing or something, but that doesn't make one of those two peak human, and the other not.

Only thing I can offer there is if Death Battle wants to be consistent with its previous episodes that they claim that the average peak D.C. human is superhuman when compared to reality, likely in the Captain America.
This is where I think they get too into the weeds with analysis (but then again, it's also necessitated by the very concept of the show, so it might be unavoidable): all of that is an absurd way to look at things. No one making a DC book (or reading one) is gonna think "well I gotta remember that Green Arrow is a DC universe human and that means his body is slightly superhuman so he should be capable of running a mile in a minute", even if that very same book has them do something similarly impossible. And I dunno, taking that kind of approach feels like it violates the core concept of these kinds of "who would win in a fight" scenarios. When you get that far deep/off with the analysis, maybe it's best to take a pause and think about what you're really arguing.

It reminds me of some of the arguments on the old Comic Book Resources forum, in the board made for these kinds of matchups. I distinctly recall multiple people, in multiple threads, arguing very sincerely that Cassandra Cain Batgirl (the one who was raised without spoken or written language, and thus instead had all the language centers of her brain trained on body language, making her one of the absolute best hand to hand fighters in DC) had lightspeed level reaction times, because there were panels they could post of her dodging bullets well after they had already been fired (and other insane shit that I can't recall), as well as other crazy assertions. In particular, this kind of overly-analytical argumentation led to this one matchup that I will never, ever forget: where someone genuinely and unironically argued that given all this, Cassandra Cain could beat up 10,000 Stormtroopers, if she was placed in a huge arena with all of them attacking her at once.

(https://i.imgur.com/7GpSRha.jpg)
I made sure to save this image that someone else made, who was trying to underline how completely and utterly unhinged this all was. Like sure, Cassandra Cain routinely did stuff in her comic that no human on Earth would ever be able to accomplish. But trying to extrapolate all those insane feats as being plain and simple facts, and to argue that you are supposed to read the Batgirl comic and come away thinking that the title character is superhumanly fast and strong, it's all just too much. At their core, "who would win in a fight" arguments are the kind of childish sort of arguments that no one should take too seriously, because you can't really do serious, detailed analysis on any of this, or it all falls apart. But then again, that is the point of this show, so I can't blame them too much; I just think when they start throwing around some of the more bizarre conclusions like this one about DC humans being superhuman, they gotta take a step back and just let things slide.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on November 26, 2020, 01:32:50 am
Oracle



Ghost Spider

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on December 01, 2020, 10:28:57 pm
And the episode's out.



Next match is Sanji vs Rock Lee and unless they pull some more third-hand power scaling like they did for Might Guy then Sanji wins hands down.  His raw strength, speed, and endurance easily outstrip what Lee's capable of on his own, and that's without even factoring the Raid Suit he got on Whole Cake Island.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on December 02, 2020, 04:14:42 am
So I've said prior my experience with both series is limited.  Sanji's case I dropped out paying attention somewhere mid-Crocodile Dude sand villain arc and Rock around Shippuden's start.  My knowledge on the two extends to that Sanji would rather kill himself before hurting a woman, same goes for using his arms or hands in combat because "You don't use the same tools you use to cook as you do to fight" or something along those lines of reasoning, and general internet osmosis he gained fire superpowers because I guess he ate a devil fruit as well because Luffy's crew are not the brightest bulbs in the shed.  Rock's case is just his complete disregard for ninja magic instead for complete physical superiority.  But Naruto fanbase osmosis as well seems to be the consensus is he never did better than his early peak fighting Garra.  I do not know how straight-forward that correlates stat-wise, or just he dropped off in plot-relevant excellence like that series' Piccolo.  I'm inclined to believe the latter because it's shonen, 2000's King of All Shonen at that, that's how they work.

So on that note....what the hell correlates the two?  Rock doesn't use any magic, let alone fire magic.  Sanji voluntarily handicaps himself, let alone Rock's whole core of his believe is pushing to be all you can be and beyond.  There's also a bit of an age gap between them, unless I drastically mistook Sanji's age at the beginning of One Piece and he's actually, like, 16.  Is it just they're the physical combatants of their respective groups?  That doesn't quite fit when you have Luffy on Sanji's side and Rock's has (had) Neji, plus I'd assume he doesn't absolve from using the basic kunai everyone uses?

Curious what the threadline between the two are, because I never pictured the two together.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2020, 05:05:11 am
I'm guessing the connection is "chivalrous martial artist;" Purely physical combatants with a strong code of honor.

Also the Diable Jambe isn't a devil fruit power, it's a technique where he basically kicks fast enough that his leg heats up to the point of combustion due to air friction.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Foobs on December 02, 2020, 06:12:12 am
Both of them are as accomplished in the martial arts as well as the trade of simping.

They also have non-standard eyebrows (per their resoective series) and similar backgrounds; Sanji was later revealed to be a genetical engineering failure that should have super powers like his siblings.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on December 04, 2020, 09:30:19 pm
Huh, I never considered Sanji's eyebrows as an intentional standout feature per the series beyond a French stereotype the likes you'd find in a Mickey Mouse or Warner Bros. cartoon.  I thought that's all it was, manga likes to flaunt stereotypes, Sanji was just Super French anime man Pepe le Pew.  Also forgive me but I don't recall Rock being a huge ladies man.  I mildly recall him having a schoolboy crush on Sakura and kicked Sasuke's teeth in over jealousy, but that was it.  But then my experience is from reading over a decade ago and don't recall much beyond the big Garra fight anyways.

Sanji kicking faster than the speed of sound sounds.....ridiculous for a regular non-superpowered cook, but again, shonen, power creep is notorious and I only knew the guy when he was a bus boy and they were dealing with Oda's fusion of Mask of Zorro with Nicholas from Trigun ruining their ocean-sailing restaurant and making a fool out of Zoro.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on December 06, 2020, 04:16:28 am
You're not wrong to not remember much beyond the big Gaara fight because he really didn't do anything particularly noteworthy for the rest of the entire series.  He had like half a fight against that bone ninja guy, and then got shunted into being a background filler character just like every other character who wasn't one of the Trio of Terrible Protagonists.

Also, the flaming kick move used to be even more ridiculous pre-timeskip; it used to be he would spin in place to incite friction burns like a boy scout starting a campfire.  Yeah, One Piece is a lot of unapologetic nonsense but that's why I love it.

Spoiler: Something that might legitimately spoil the outcome (click to see content)

:EDIT:  Curly brows.



and Bushy brows.

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on December 14, 2020, 09:11:07 pm

There's the full thing.

Next episode's the season finale.  Hulk versus Broly.  Judging by the the shot of the actual animation of the fight, Super Broly from the latest movie.

So....this is going to be a short video on Broly's part if they stick to canon, and an immediately discreditable one if they lump DBZ Broly into Super Broly for a composite.  For those not in the know, DBZ Broly wasn't ever canon, but a hugely popular character from DBZ's time of popping out a bunch of OVAs.  DBZ Broly's powerset is not ever really fully explained and about 50% headcanon, such as his physical immunity to damage outside his stomach scar made shortly after birth.  But the OVAs themselves contradict canon lore and timeframes rather harshly.  Now, they do fit better with DBZ the anime with filler, because they tie in events from there, especially DBGT.  But then, DBZ Kai and Super's whole point of existing is to retroactively erase their importance to the series.

Super Broly also only exists entirely in one movie.  The manga even went out of its way to sum up the movie's events and importance in a single page panel and tell us to move on, nothing to see here.  But power-wise by simple comparison to those he fights in the movie (Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Gogeta) and by Goku's word of mouth of him being above Beerus, he's ridiculously higher leagues above DBZ Broly.  And DBZ Broly rather effortlessly blasted away a quarter of the universe, Super Broly matched SSJG Vegeta's universal+ level rather early on and just kept going on and on from there to the point Broly and Gogeta accidently went to a separate dimension to keep their battle in check.

So in short, unless Hulk's got some REAL big boosts that I've missed since the Doomsday episode, there's going to be a whole lot of more interesting history to talk about for Hulk, maybe three lines for Broly that are canon, but the power gap is ridiculous even just going from their simplest base human/Saiyan form to their next level of power. (Super Broly matched SSJ Vegeta then freaking SSJG Vegeta in, what, 2 minutes of not a damn clue what he was even doing?)

I suppose Hulk's greatest helping factor is the never-ending on again, off again debate of Toriyama and co. just picking a lane if Saiyans can breathe in space or not.  DBZ Broly sure doesn't mind, DBZ filler and DBGT don't.  Super recently brought it up again about Goku and Vegeta sufficating out in space in the Moro arc.....presented by Vegeta, the unreliable narrator.  So who knows which side they'll pick on that one.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on December 14, 2020, 10:19:58 pm
Unless it's world breaker hulk then rip hulk
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: BurningSoul on December 14, 2020, 10:52:49 pm
They are probably gonna scale him to Beerus from Galaxia fight,which can destroy the universe and then say that dragonball universe is larger than ours,in case they do that,does Hulk have any feats that can give him the edge? I wonder if they get One Below All stuff included in Hulks feats,dont remember what they actually were
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on December 14, 2020, 11:22:57 pm
So I have not read this One Below All stuff before, but I have just now browsed a bit of his stuff on the wiki, and that would seem to fall under DB's "No outside help" guideline.  Feats from forces outside Hulk's control should not count for much beyond establishing a plausible limit to his growing strength and what timeframe that would require to reach that point.  Which....if from what I'm reading is correct, is some billions of years.  Not to mention if this One Below All isn't also granting Hulk some form of boost whilst in control of his body.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on December 15, 2020, 03:03:52 am
I would describe the One Below All interfering with the fight not as "outside help" but instead "outside malice" because it's very much not on the Hulk's side, but yeah. They are totally distinct entities, and it's not even a situation where the Hulk is dependent upon the One Below All for power or whatever (in the way Juggernaut's power source is coming from the Elder God Cyttorak, for example). The full extent of the relationship between Gamma mutates like the Hulk and the One Below All is still somewhat ambiguous, but from what been shown so far in Immortal Hulk hasn't really been anything that would help the Hulk in this fight. Nothing new, at least : the World Breaker stuff from an earlier run is still probably Hulk's best bet for this fight.

That is unless they somehow are able to justify using the Hulk shown in the flash-forward in Immortal Hulk #25: where it's the universe that comes after the current Marvel universe. The Marvel universe as we know it is merely the latest iteration of a universe that has been lived and died many times before; it goes through a big bang -> big crunch -> big bang cycle. The previous version of the universe is where Galactus comes from: as Galan of Taa, he was the last thing alive in his universe and was thus chosen to survive into the next (where he was reborn as Galactus). In Immortal Hulk #25, it shows a potential future where that has happened to the Hulk; this future Hulk killed the other competitors (Franklin Richards, Mr. Immortal, etc.) who were "supposed to" be the last things alive in the universe and thus become the new Galactus-type entity of the next iteration of the universe, but Hulk instead has stolen that role and gained those powers instead. In that next iteration, this cosmic Hulk is known as the "Breaker-Apart"—and unlike Galactus—destroys planets recklessly and without reason; it's completely unstoppable, leading to some of the last survivors of its rampage to send a warning message backwards in time to the previous universe to try and prevent the Breaker-Apart's existence.

That entity would probably outmatch most anything from DBZ, but that thing isn't actually the Hulk in any way, shape, or form: it's a hollowed out shell of the Hulk, possessed by the One Below All. The One Below All probably has vast cosmic powers of its own, but it's basically locked up forever in a hell dimension or whatever, and so it needed the Hulk to get the big Galactus power upgrade; it couldn't just possess the Hulk and give it its own powers. Moreover, the steps to grant the Hulk those cosmic powers literally took the lifetime of an entire universe, and also required the Hulk to first become possessed by the Leader (working for/with the One Below All). It's unclear at what point the One Below All personally takes over the Hulk's body from the Leader since the current arc of the comics is literally in the midst of this Leader-possesses-Hulk storyline, but the One Below All is definitely in control by the time of the next universe; there will probably be some very involved process of prepping Hulk for possession by it or something. Long story short, turning the Hulk into the Breaker-Apart is not something that could just be done in the middle of a fight as a powerup or whatever.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Pooh Hardy on December 21, 2020, 05:03:42 pm
So are other fight shows still a thing here or is this now solely Death battle content

Because we missed a few XvX fights on Hyuns dojo's channel

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on December 21, 2020, 10:14:16 pm
I have no grievances with posting them, that's the point of the thread.  There's just less to say about them or discuss the finer points of their results than Death Battle in general.  Just "Oh, that's cool of them".

But to contribute for something non-Death Battle, I've taken a liking to Hyourinjutsu's strictly Dragon Ball related versus videos.  Does Super's content better than Dragon Ball official does.  He manages to make me interested in Goku Black, something the anime failed at.



Oh right, also, Hulk's preview is out.



And now Broly's.



So yeah, outright fusing the two, down to saying they're the same guy in different circumstances.  Hah, no.  DBZ Broly sure as hell doesn't get no Ikari state.  And I sure hope they're not planning on compositing Dragon Ball Heroes' SSJ4 Broly into Super's Ikari.  Fair enough to say to this one isn't creditable already, regardless who wins.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on December 23, 2020, 11:18:08 pm
OH MY GOD HE'S SO GODDAMN COOL



Looks like they're using DBS Broly as the baseline here.  I haven't been following Super at all so IDK how much that one differs from the original recipe.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on December 23, 2020, 11:30:00 pm
Quite a fair bit.  DBZ's non-canon status stretches the whole character's existence, so along with his showings in his two movies (Bio-Broly doesn't exactly bring much to the table.  It was a failed clone in every way) giving him your basic base form, SSJ1 and his exclusive Legendary form, various spin-off media has thrown SSJ2, SSJ3 and SSJ4 at him.  Super doesn't get 2 through 4, but he does get Ikari, basically the canon replacement for SSJ4's reconnection with Oozaru minus acknowledging GT's existence.  He does have a Legendary form, minus the limitless power growth, so.....hell of a lot that helps?  The power growth just seems to be inherent to Super Broly's existence outside of his green haired form, so not much it offers outside recognizable fan service in existing.  But his Ikari form matches post-ToP Goku and Vegeta's Blue god forms, and outright turns Goku's ki against him, so, he's ridiculously more powerful than the Broly from Z.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 23, 2020, 11:47:39 pm
They did mention that in Super, Broly is a *little* more sympathetic, but he still has absurd levels of power... He took down both SS Blue Goku and Vegeta with relative ease.

The biggest difference between Z and Super versions of him is that while the Z version of him is nothing more then a berserk monster, the Super version of him doesn't want to fight unless he has to.

Another thing to add is his 'Wrathful' state - Which is basically taking the strength and power of a Saiyan in Giant Monkey Form and shoving that into an actual Saiyan.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 28, 2020, 07:29:48 pm
Anyways, here's the full thing.



Yeah.....got a number of issues with it, but whatever at this point.  Amused they skipped over the space survivability question and physical invulnerability question altogether for Broly, considering Dragon Ball's back-and-forth with those.

Got some teasers for next season at the end.  I see Cloud, Luke Skywalker and Steven Universe.  Can't place the others immediately.

Well, the obvious go-to for Cloud is Link.  They've commented for years on the previous one being a poor example of a Death Battle episode prior, most viewers I'm inclined are to agree.  It was a level 99 Dissidia Cloud with base starter equipment versus every Link fused into one with every item from all the games at once that he could not have.  Plus it was also strangely condescending to both FFVII fans and Legend of Zelda fans, so I dunno who wins in the end with that episode?  I'd hope this will be FFVII Cloud up to Advent Children with nods to FFVII Remake's additions versus OoT-MM Adult Link with his gear through those two adventures and what can be gleamed from Twilight Princess of his elder years.  And give them their actual freaking stuff, your Master Materia, your Fierce Deity Mask, etc.

Luke's a bit more vague.  They already did Harry Potter as movie pop culture's leading stars for generations.  Will have to wait and see what they plan for him, as is it can go in any number of directions.

Steven Universe....cool, we're getting another Aang situation.  Except he has willingly killed in the past.  Well, the two I would place him for are Finn the Human or Star Butterfly.  I can comment on Adventure Time stuff, I know jack about Star vs The Forces of Evil, other than it too is inspired by Sailor Moon to the point of being a knock-off.  And people also hated its ending akin to World War III.  But that appears to be a common trend in cartoons these days, I guess.

I mean, there's also the way out there idea of Steven versus Phos from Land of the Lustrous, due to its numerous comparisons to SU, but I imagine they don't have the resources for that in either 2D or 3D.  Also that'd be on Carnage vs Lucy levels of weird match-ups.
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Post by: BurningSoul on December 28, 2020, 10:54:24 pm
I'm not really feeling that calculation of base goku being able to destroy the universe,it was combined power of goku and beerus colliding so I think actual strength should be divided into 2,and goku was only keeping up with beerus after he dropped from god form to a ssj,if his base was strong as his god form,once he went ssj he should have been stronger but it was the same as before ,so I think the final measurement also should have bene divided by 50 since its the SSJ multiplier to get the base form output.So I think broly was kinda buffed.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 28, 2020, 11:09:01 pm
Well, a few things.  Yes, it was the both of them being reckless that shook the universe, but neither Beerus or Goku were trying 100% (Beerus keeps getting retconned to stupid degrees where it was, what, 70% of his power to start with holding off Goku at the end of Battle of Gods?  To now, like, 0.00001% trying, because they keep needing him being stronger than Goku/Vegeta's new forms in the story's plot until MUI?  He kept getting buffs via retconned dialogue, not any feats of his own, which is why he still had no problem with Battle of Gods' Goku going SSJG x SSJ1) and frankly that scene probably existed solely to counteract the age-old DBZ argument of characters never being as strong as they say because their fights typically are only mountain-tier in destruction with random planet busting.  The whole crux of ki control that DBZ fights are based off of is toxic to fight debates because it's all based on word of mouth over feats.

Beyond that though, this also was an issue that arose in Beerus vs Galaxia.  Dragon Ball has two contradicting canons that neither is placed above the other.  In the anime, Goku gets a ridiculously high permanent stat boost over pure luck that the manga canon lacks.  The anime has his base upgrade permanently to always been SSJG-tier since the first time he achieved it, just 'cuz.  Manga this never happens and his base is still his base, weaker than SSJ1.  All the fights in the manga that the anime also have just downscale their opponents to match Goku's power levels there, this stupid boost is wholehandedly ignored in the story of Dragon Ball, it's just.....there and required to acknowledge in fight debates like this.

SSJG however being able to do this isn't that farfetched.  It's a grade above SSJ3, Goku presenting SSJ3 against Buu and Babadi shook the universe and all its various planes of existence in a destabilizing manner.  And as transformations go, the previous one can't touch the next one.  The jump from that universe shaking to SSJG destroying it isn't that big a jump.
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Post by: Person Man on December 29, 2020, 01:15:06 am
This episode reminded me of one of my biggest gripes with Dragon Ball; that being it's overuse of random multiplication tables to indicate a character's power.  Every new villain or transformation or whatever is always hyped up as being eleventy billion times stronger than something or other, which sounds impressive at first shake but doesn't actually mean anything substantive.  It's such an annoying "tell, don't show" method of storytelling.

Not that I have any issue with the outcome of the episode, mind.  As strong as Hulk is, they make a good point in that he is always on a relatively short timer.  Unless he's able to very quickly overwhelm the opponent completely he's likely to run out of steam first; IIRC, the exact same thing was the deciding factor when Hulk lost to Doomsday in the last DB he was in.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 29, 2020, 01:37:25 am
I mean....huh?  It's shown by routinely the new baddie beats them into the ground without a scratch on them, is it not?  The proof of power is....in their display of power?  And the usual means to overcome them is the protag's new transformation tied to some new big emotional resolution, Goku and Gohan's resolve in not losing another innocent life via Krillin and Android 16 respectively.  SSJ3 is the one that doesn't follow this trend, it is the weakest form narratively, mostly just there as a point that "Yeah, Goku COULD solve your problems here because if anyone would find the means over the years he would but he's TRYING to pass the torch", a point that ultimately didn't land, and SSJ4 is more tied to the Baby arc's Saiyan lore connection.  God's another attempt at the Saiyan lore thing like SSJ4 and Blue's supposedly about inner peace. (Super's not so good at getting that across for sure, though)

I guess you can attribute it to a timer per se, but Doomsday's victory was more about his hax ability in that Hulk could not harm him to begin with and his poisons could counteract Hulk's healing which was needed for Hulk's strength and survivability, not that Hulk would revert by default after some time.  Fight wouldn't go on that long to matter either way.
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Post by: Person Man on December 29, 2020, 02:31:25 am
IMO, it's just generally symptomatic of Toriyama's extremely short sighted, week-by-week writing style that he never left himself enough time or space to build up or properly explain anything, which is why so much of the alleged massive increases in strength wound up being verbally stated rather than visibly shown.  The stuff that characters were doing to show off their power level in endgame DBZ were more or less visually identical to stuff Goku and Roshi were throwing around in original Dragon Ball.  For as much as DB excels in many aspects that make a great manga, its actual storytelling is pretty slapdash when you get right down to it.

I think that contributes to a lot of the fervor around Dragon Ball content in Death Battle; so much of that series is predicated on characters insisting that they are very very strong and relying on the readers to just roll with it, that when some actually puts in the work to find out whether or not they are, in fact, very very strong fans get miffed because the disbelief can no longer be suspended.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 31, 2020, 03:25:32 am
There is one thing they have that does confound me to wrap my head around.  The Hulk being faster than Broly?  Broly, like everyone else, goes by DBZ stat increases via power levels, he's higher than Beerus thus faster than Beerus.  Beerus should scale to Champa, they had no issue flying between universes right quick. (What was the timeframe of the initial universe sneaking around when Champa first appeared, a few minutes?  Hours?)  I have issue seeing Hulk run at Flash levels of speed to run multiple universes in that timeframe.  Granted, thinking of Hulk as "fast" at all is strange, but still, even with benefit of the doubt I simply never seen him remotely in that range.  That's faster than the majority of Supermen.

Oh, also others seem to say the remaining people in the next season teaser are an Attack on Titan character, Doctor Doom and the Kill la Kill girl.  Only match-up there the DB team have shown some hint at some sort of plan beyond initial spitballing ideas is Mikasa was pit against Spider-Man ages ago in DBX for....reasons?  I did not get it, personally.  Doctor Doom they've mentioned on DBC once or twice how little they get to do same universe fights and shown interested in Doctor Doom versus Magneto at their greatest, but no idea if this is their follow-up on that or whatever.  Kill la Kill I did not watch past episode 2 or 3, did not enjoy it, can't offer much.

....Well, I mean besides years ago when Kill la Kill was current, I remember Sailor Moon fans bringing up her and Usagi were two sides of the same coin of character designing, but HAH like those would be in the same ball park to put in Death Battle.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on February 24, 2021, 10:11:51 pm
Season 10 of Death Battle kicks off with a real doozy of a battle...

https://twitter.com/DEATHBATTLE/status/1364672953040871430?s=20
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 24, 2021, 11:46:59 pm
Ehhhhuhhhh.....'kay then.

I won't remotely pretend I've read all the Star Wars novels.  I think I've read, like, two.  I can't place Yoda's high-end feats simply because in the extended universe, Movies 1-9 are child's play in content for feats.  I'll let others more knowledgeable cover him in detail.  The most I can attribute is Yarael Poof I believe used his control of The Force to his utmost ability and saved a planet from blowing up, but it killed him in the process, and he was, like, better suited for the job than a different Master like Yoda would have been.  But they're probably in the same ballpark; is potentially a planet-level psychic but would kill them in the process.

King Mickey would scale to fighting Master Xehanort's perfected armored Real Organization XIII.  He had to take on all 13 of them at once and beat them in KHIII ReMind.  His power to do so also, like, lit up an infinite number of universes.  I'm honestly not sure of that and high-balling it off memory and trying to discect KH's both confusing plot and just-as confusing multiverse.  But, like, it reached to every World, which contains its own seperate universe (A la Lilo & Stitch "world" is their whole universe of space plus their Earth and galaxy you travel in and whatnot, and each other Disney world is their own universe.  I do not know how this works, frankly, some of the different Disney movie stars are related, yet are sequestered to different universes in KH.  It's weird)

I'm gonna have to go on the hunch that Mickey is stupidly out of Yoda's power range.  In Yoda's favor though, we have no idea Mickey's age is other than vaguely young, and Yoda is, what, a thousand or something?  Yoda's much more experienced for sure.  And The Force allows much, MUCH greater control of most battlefields than KH's borrowing of FF's magic system.

I still imagine King Mickey wins my a landslide.  But hey, maybe Yoda can move the whole Star Wars universe or something.  I dunno.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 25, 2021, 12:42:26 am
Well, after the bullshit excuses they used to have Luke beat Harry Potter, I wouldn't be surprised if Yoda won.
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 25, 2021, 02:34:27 am
Luke vs Harry Potter was ages ago.  That was a different team, working under different rules, looking for different win conditions and much less research put into it.  Rule of thumb, by Word of God themselves over at Death Battle, Season 1 should be effectively ignored.  Even if they have accurate winners, their reasoning is more likely than not to not hold up.  It was early into the show's concept and simply did not expect to have the lasting power it did.  Hell, if I recall correctly, Wonder Woman vs Rogue was done in 3 weeks Ben said, all by him?  1 week reading various WW comics he had, 1 week reading random X-Men comics, 1 week animating.  Something like that.

....Granted even the latest episodes I take issue with.  It confounds me still how they thought Beerus would stand up to Galaxia, surely they misunderstood how Sailor Moon works?  Anyways, though, Luke and Harry?  The episode was pretty basic and bare bones, but, like.....Luke's got quite the large victory over Harry with his means to win, no?  I mean, deflecting magic with the lightsaber's dumb, but not like it was needed anyways?  Considerably less than Harry's wand.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 25, 2021, 04:39:12 am
If you ask me, their research hasn't really improved that much. Of the characters I know, most of the stuff they represent have holes and obvious things that they left out, they should just drop the whole analysis thing and make animations, it would be much better.
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Post by: Person Man on March 01, 2021, 11:56:11 pm
Yoba



Mokey

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Post by: Long John Killer on March 04, 2021, 01:01:43 am
Huh, they're keeping classic Disney animation as a resource for King Mickey.  Ok then, that complicates things a bit....I was expecting them to just include Fantasia and The Three Musketeers for him, they're directly referenced as events that took place in KH and frankly don't matter much in the long run.  Movie media icon or not, the magic of Fantasia doesn't really matter much one way or another in this context of looking for feats.  But I figured since KH disassociates itself so much from the original takes on both Disney and FF cast (I'd say Square Enix as a whole, yet for some reason they really wanted The World Ends With You to feel authentically tied-in) they'd just stick to what's shown, you know, in KH.  Disney media is freaking vast and not exactly made for this sort of analysis. (Take that weird Scrooge McDuck speed feat where they found him throwing and catching a penny in, what, a 1940's newspaper comic?)

This also run into the contradictory nature of KH's lore to Disney lore.  Similar to Worlds being separate universes in KH but shared planets in some Disney films, KH just ignores most at-the-time modern Disney cartoon stuff.  Like, Goofy never had a son named Max.  So....where does the cut-off begin?  House of Mouse?  Disney reintroducing Oswald the Lucky Rabbit?  How about when Disney had a whole species of homicidal Goofies running around? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj-S7wwqakY)

I was already guessing Mickey wins use to the simple multiverse scale KH runs on and Mickey has shown feats relating to compared to Star Wars' galaxy-sized stuff, but now you're also throwing in OG old as dirt cartoon physics in?  I'm more curious now how they intend to wrap him all up into one concise character than the episode now.


Episode's out now.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Ok episode overall if rather underselling the KH series.  Next is Shadow the Hedgehog versus the Kill la Kill girl.  I don't get it.  I mean, they made fun of the match-up a while back because of it just being based on their looks.  Which they shot down Mewtwo versus Frieza over.  Is this some ironic continuation of that?  Someone who's familiar with Kill la Kill, what's her connection to Shadow beyond color scheme?
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Post by: Person Man on March 08, 2021, 07:25:22 pm
Episode's out.



Next week is Shadow the Hedgehog vs Ryuko Matoi.  Time for some good old fashioned EEEEDGE LOOORDS! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgMBRyOVFy4)
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 08, 2021, 07:38:50 pm
I wasn't aware Kill la Kill girl was an edge lord.  I legit thought the point of the series was making fun of that, she despised the skimpy outfit and the black and red and all the spikes and having to run through some school of other actual edgelords, getting stuck with her dead grandfather's ancestral scissor blade, because that's a thing.  And something about the ending of the series being about being true to yourself and not to cast shame on revealing your body or some hogwash like that.

I did not make it past episode 2, so I'm just going by hearsay.  Seemed to me just syndicated porn with a cop out reasoning around it at the end, I dunno.

I wasn't aware the series ever got to the realm of power and feats Sonic the Hedgehog did.  From what I recall from the Mewtwo episode, Shadow played tug-o-war with a Unicron-sized shadow demon pulling a planet back and forth.  Didn't know Kill la Kill got planetary feats.

I mean, I'm assuming the next episode is being done solely to end Shadow's losing streak.  They've made him the butt of their jokes for years now.  This is just throwing those fans a bone.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 08, 2021, 10:09:51 pm
Both have faced complete powerhouses before, have been brainwashed, and sacrificed their power to save the world from total destruction in the past (although, her suit had to die for it. Yes, her suit is sentient.) I recall the final showdown in Kill la Kill being made of similarities to the final showdown in Sonic Adventure 2, and that was the best planetary feat Ryuko has against Shadow, but I don't recall her having anything to stop slowing time to a complete halt, but then again, I haven't seen the show in years.

As you said, this is either the end of Shadow's losing streak, or it's going to be another case of "Sayonara."
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 08, 2021, 10:33:20 pm
To my knowledge, she doesn't have a giant spoon as a weapon.

Which I can all but guarantee is going to be referenced in the actual episode.  They've made it the killing blow the last Shadow episode, they bring it up sometimes when he showed up in DBC.  They just have a weird on-going in-joke about Shadow's weakness is spoons.
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Post by: D.R.B on March 15, 2021, 01:20:47 am
meanwhile
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2021, 06:36:18 pm

Shadow's preview is out.

This brings up a random realization that has bugged me in the past about the Sonic franchise.  They used it as an excuse in the Ramona Flowers/Amy Rose episode a while back too.  Supposedly, in Sonic lore, the anthromorphic human child-sized Hedgehogs have an inherent speed gene that lets all of them run in the ball park speed of Sonic.  It's largely why Amy was allowed to win, because they figure Amy is faster than the speed of sound or whatever game lore Sonic's speed is, been a while since seeing it.

Shadow here, however, has always been stuck with those jet boots explicitly made to be super fast like Sonic.  And supposedly Amy.  He's, not to reference Sonic Adventure 2 too heavily, a fake Hedgehog.

What I'm getting at is, is Death Battle implying that Amy can speedblitz Shadow without his fancy shoes?  Because wow would that be a new notch of stupid for the Sonic universe.


Ryuko's preview now.

So.  Only Life Fibers can harm Life Fibers.  Girl is made out of them.  Implying Shadow can't hurt her.  Ok then.  Also implying the black outfit's not even necessary, could just go naked but whatever.  I'm assuming she's shown such indestructible skin in the show or is this all just assumptions?

Also jeez, the hair is almost as ridiculous as the outfits in that show.  Does the mother have rainbow highlights but only on the inside parting of her hair?
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 20, 2021, 03:35:07 pm
Ryuko's mom tried to combine Ryuko's DNA with Life Fibers to make the ultimate weapon, but I don't remember it being successful, so I think her skin is not included with that Life Fiber invulnerability. Also, her suit needs full trust with her to fully use the power of it, in which she has separated from and turned evil for a while due to villain mom and that other happy-go-lucky villain whose name escapes me.

To answer your second question, yes. It is weird. Also, villain mom has made some... interesting advances on both of her daughters, because... fan-service?
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 22, 2021, 06:30:39 pm

Well, it's out now.  So much for indestructible life fibers.  That was an exaggeration and a half, they're just mesh steel.  Freaking Big the Cat can harm that.

Next is Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom.  Ah well, so much for the hinted Marvel vs Marvel match with Magneto and Doom in their DBC videos.

I'd assume at first glance Doctor Doom wins, but I don't know how broken they really get with Luthor's impossible intelligence, maybe he'll outlogic Marvel's destiny plan for Victor somehow or something to that stupid degree of comic book logic.

Also side note, congrats on the new weirdest transition to ad, Death Battle.  What was that analogy of the anthromorphic hedgehog and 17-year old girl "ready to perform"?  Was that really not given a second thought?
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 22, 2021, 08:30:45 pm
Does anyone ever believe anything in anime is indestructible? It's just some bullshit they throw until the next big powerful thing shows up to destroy it.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on March 22, 2021, 11:16:53 pm
Does anyone ever believe anything in anime is indestructible? It's just some bullshit they throw until the next big powerful thing shows up to destroy it.

I never did... there's always something stronger out there to destroy it. In this case, Shadow going all out meant the Life Fibers were now.. lifeless.

Anyhow: The next battle should be really interesting since both Luthor and Doom had previous Death Battles (Doom defeated Darth Vader, Luthor lost to Iron Man). The basic knowledge of each character and their abilities are generally the same from their previous appearance in Death Battle all the way back in Season 2.

The key to this battle? The new stuff added to each character since then. Will any of it be canon and part of their arsenal? (For example, the 2019 Doctor Doom comic has Doom taking out the entire universe at the end of the series; I couldn't find anything on Luthor that could be added)
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2021, 01:06:39 am
Unless they plan to revisit their ridiculous notion that Superman is limitless in all degrees and decide to powerscale to that minus 1 somehow (Although....that IS kinda how they reached the outcome "Lex > Hulkbuster"....), I'm thinking the point of contention won't be their destructive capabilities, but Lex's impossible intelligence outmatching Victor's impressive but not Source Wall/Anti-Life Equation/"Wills nanobots into existence out of prison cell materials and dirt" level.  I'm imagining it being more akin to Joker's win against Sweet Tooth, who had every possible advantage over Joker except Joker can convince Sweet Tooth into suicide.

Especially as Victor's whole destiny nonsense deal is how he's the most capable man out of all of humanity, Lex just being a better, brighter human overall outside their fancy tech suits.  Problem is, this reasoning is more suited for writing an actual crossover, considerably more questionable reasoning for a Death Battle.  As in once again, Joker/Sweet Tooth, I find it hard to believe over 50% of considerable possible outcomes had Sweet Tooth not just kill the guy.  If anything, Lex stroking his ego would just make Victor all the more jealous that Lex knows more than him despite all his accomplishments.

Does anyone ever believe anything in anime is indestructible? It's just some bullshit they throw until the next big powerful thing shows up to destroy it.
That's your No Limits Fallacy in play there.  Since I've brought up the episode a few times and it still bugs me a bit, I'll reuse the example from Beerus vs Galaxia; in SM, they introduce a number of concepts akin to souls and then further down the existence pipeline down to very conceptual essence with Star Seeds.  These things are somehow beyond molecular harm, they got a sword that splits molecules and just bounces of them.  But then you reach Galaxia and they throw in Chaos, a similar conceptual force of power that can destroy something's very essence of multiversal being across different universes and timelines.  Except Usagi but she breaks all the rules, protagonist, whatever.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2021, 01:32:35 am
The problem for Luthor in this matchup is that Doom has, at bare minimum, comparable levels of intelligence to him. Maybe Luthor ends up being very slightly smarter, but the difference is in no way gonna be big. Doom is insanely impressive even with all the many, many, many super-geniuses in Marvel. Luthor can at least be given the point on armor: presumably his is a little better than Doom's, since it regularly goes up against Superman (though Doom's armor is no slouch at all). However, Doom has way, way more resources at his disposal, because he's a master of the mystic arts on top of all that. He's not just the second smartest Marvel character, he's the second best at magic too.

Like sure, Luthor's main enemy is a bigger threat than the Fantastic Four are. But Doom is by no means only a Fantastic Four villain: he's the Marvel villain, easily and seamlessly going up against any number of Marvel characters, no matter how strong they are. Or sometimes all of them at once! Doom's got a way better track record, and wielded omnipotent power countless times. This is his matchup to lose.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2021, 01:45:53 am
I'm interested in it either way it goes, but I'm just disappointed it's another Marvel vs D.C. when Doom is specifically the one they had to match with Magneto and do their long wondered Marvel vs Marvel match they wanted to do.  Especially with Magneto who they continually find to be a hard match-up to do, either he completely obliterates his weight-class or can't touch those above him just because how his powerset works.  Also Magneto and Doom are just cool and would make a cool match-up.

Guess it'll just have to wait for some other year.
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Post by: Person Man on March 23, 2021, 01:59:40 am
If DB's commitment to showcasing each character at the absolute height of their abilities holds true here, then I can't see Luthor having anything that even remotely counters God Emperor Doom from Secret Wars.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 23, 2021, 02:09:45 am
Well, their best that they can bring up at any given time.  Their default best.  Not that Spawn versus Kratos was their best showing, but as example they didn't exactly give Spawn his Divine Spawn omnipotent powers.  Though if anything that was Spawn from literally issue #1.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 23, 2021, 04:07:10 am
Lex at his most powerful form he's ever had absolutely can beat God Emperor Doom but regular Lex versus regular Doom is just no contest simply because of the magic
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 29, 2021, 09:27:54 pm

Lex's preview.

Huh.  They're equating the Orange Lantern on equal footing to Green Lanterns, thus to Hal Jordan.  Who they also believe Hal is greater than Alien X.  Albeit with around as much backlash from both D.C. and Ben 10 fans as their Superman/Goku research and outcome.  Interesting direction to take it, I wasn't going to put Lex in THAT ballpark.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on March 29, 2021, 10:23:52 pm
Lex Luthor WAS an Orange Lantern at one time (That time being Blackest Night, mind you), so you could - in theory - have him tap into those Orange Lantern powers with a ring, of course.

The bad side: Orange is the color of Greed in the DCU. A guy like Lex is the perfect conduit for Greed...
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 29, 2021, 11:41:20 pm
I would assume that, naturally, Orange Lantern Lex is not among his default armament.  Lest we instantly disqualify all the Batman episodes and whatever temporary rings he got.  If Death Battle is adamant against any of the Bat Family getting any of their extra dangerous equipment out of the Batcave for when they're not fighting street punk levels of enemies, then Lex doesn't get something he wouldn't be found walking down the street with on any other day.  If anything it would just be there to set a bar of how much he could push the ring's power against base Larfleeze.  And frankly that probably still wouldn't matter, because you're taking Larfleeze's feats against the Green Lanterns and applying them as Lex's durability range, not how much better or worse the ring would have been with him.

THAT SAID....Death Battle is still implying Green Lanterns have durability of infinity via Hal surviving Alien X, Hal's victory there was based on him being able to survive Alien X's omnipotency and rewind the battle at any point to be a quicker shot on the draw against Ben's transformation, so unless Larfleeze never fought against Hal Jordan (I'm not that big of a Hal Jordan fan, only have a few books on him over the years and generally don't follow or care about him, but I'm near 100% certain he's dealt with Larfleeze in some conflicts) and they're only comparing him to those on Oa, then that's getting passed on to Lex.  So yeah, physical immunity to damage is a useful boon to have.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on March 30, 2021, 03:17:24 am
About the closest those two were in a situation was one time Hal called Larfleeze 'Scrooge McDuck with a Power Ring'. Also, Hal has had an Orange Ring on two occasions.

The big thing, for me, is the additional knowledge of what powers his war suit: The Mother Box. To me, it can help explain how Lex can survive an exploding planet and has the strength and speed levels of Larfleeze and Kyle Rayner. Yet.. the suit was made to fight Superman on a consistent basis and no matter what the Mother Box can do, Superman can do far, far, far better.
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Post by: Long John Killer on March 30, 2021, 03:32:48 am
Huh, that's surprising if true for their however-long running history.  I thought I vaguely recall them having some sort of interaction if not a fight with the Ultraviolet Lanterns storyline.  Ah well, haven't read it in a good while.  Figure the various colors of the rainbow meet up more often.

I'm still curious if they're gonna actually try to math out Superman's strength minus whatever debilitating number kryptonite gives, because those things run the gambit of all sorts of effectiveness.  Lex's biggest draw still comes from "He's Superman-level minus one".  Or two, I guess for this analogy, because he still routinely loses with the kryptonite, it's just fluctuates if it's an easy or hard win for the writers.  I mean, Kal-El.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on March 31, 2021, 11:20:33 pm
Doctor Doom toots as he pleases!

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on March 31, 2021, 11:26:44 pm
Didn't know the armor's only titanium, considering how much its built up.  Coulda sworn way back in the Infinity Gauntlet saga Doom only survived Thanos using the Power Gem because his armor was some sort of supermetal that could resist near-infinite damage to it.  So the extra-ludicrous feats are all magic-based, then?  Interesting....wonder then if there's a D.C. tech-based magic nullifier?  How often does Lex deal with Zatanna or such?
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 01, 2021, 01:17:38 am
Not very often. And in general, he doesn't really put much stock into the whole "magic" thing—even though it's a very exploitable weakness for his arch-nemesis.

As for the titanium armor: I mean, I guess it might've originally been described as titanium and nobody has since expounded on what material special sc-fi metal it's now made of. It's certainly not portrayed as being merely titanium, though, and of course the video itself mentions how it's majorly amped up by Doom's magics.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 01, 2021, 02:33:07 am
Alright.  Figuring it's still most logical for Doom to win, but trying to poke holes in the meantime what Lex has to counter.  Seems indeed he has the defense category down if they're using Green Lantern as a base, was seeing if D.C. takes the "magic is just technology you don't yet understand" route with his impossible intellect being able to out-tech the gods and mystics.

If it is the case that all of Doom's survivability lies in his magic prowess and the suit's just standard-fare titanium, or fantasy slightly above that Unobtainium or whatever, that'd be quite an obstacle for Doom to overcover an anti-magic field, D&D style.

Or, as an excuse to post a favorite webcomic of mine. (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0627.html)
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Post by: Lichtbringer on April 01, 2021, 07:52:11 am
I guess Lex will have a hard fight with a Doombot for several mins and after his apparent victory the real Doom will show up and just shoot the Lex with his old Mauser Pistol. xD
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 01, 2021, 08:34:12 am
I don't think there should be any way for Doom to lose, but the DB researcher is unpredictable and maybe biased at times, so I'm not expecting Doom to stomp or anything. Might surprise us with a bs Lex win.
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Post by: MAO11 on April 01, 2021, 07:27:31 pm
don't worry they are marvel biased doom will win for sure. the only dc character who have won in db is superman and darkseid.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 01, 2021, 07:44:53 pm
Batman won against Captain America.
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Post by: Person Man on April 01, 2021, 11:21:57 pm
And Nightwing beat Daredevil.  And Aquaman beat Namor.  And Shazam beat Captain Marvel.  And Wonder Woman beat Thor.  And Booster Gold beat Cable.  And Batman Beyond beat Spiderman 2099.  And Static Shock beat Miles Morales.  And Doctor Fate beat Doctor Strange.

And that's just limiting it to DC vs Marvel matchups.  Green Lantern vs Ben 10, Flash vs Sonic, Black Canary vs Sindel, Joker vs Sweet Tooth, and Raven vs Twilight Sparkle all went in DC's favor too.  It's insane to suggest they're biased against DC when it's actually exceedingly rare that a DC character doesn't win in Death Battle.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 02, 2021, 12:11:49 am
To be fair, the Flash/Archie Sonic one they just threw their hands up in the air and figured neither could win with how Speed Force and Chaos work so give it to the one with the more known unlimited D.C. universes over Archie's less numerous unlimited universes, so Speed Force should be bigger.  Because yeah, that's how that works.  That was less D.C. bias, more "Both characters' super power is the power to instantly win regardless of circumstance, just flip a coin".

Sure they finagled around with some other reasons tacked on, both their speeds are unlimited but Flash's would be....."unlimited-er" if he touches Sonic.  But that one ultimately boiled down to which was the bigger omnipresent power, and neither was lesser so they just went with the one with the most pages of evidence existing.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 02, 2021, 12:42:44 am
One of those rare losses for DC Comics in Death Battle was done by Lex Luthor when he took on Iron Man.

I feel that Doom's superior magic abilities will be more then enough to overpower Lex's war suit. Magic isn't something Lex has dabbled in (despite it being a weakness for Superman), so I feel that will play a huge role in Doom's victory here.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 02, 2021, 05:12:50 am
don't worry they are marvel biased doom will win for sure. the only dc character who have won in db is superman and darkseid.

I don't think we've been watching the same internet show.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 05, 2021, 07:47:18 pm
The latest Death Battle is now out for everyone to enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXYVQfmYhPk

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 05, 2021, 08:19:02 pm
Eh.  General idea was right, some odd choices is all.  So yeah, they gave Lex the defense of Hal Jordon by relation to Larfleeze, so there wasn't a think Doom could do physically to hurt Lex but it just didn't matter in the end due to what Doom won with.  And odd they bring up Doom's siphon as a big deal, while in the fight itself even after Doom siphons the Motherbox, Lex beats him down regardless.  It came down to Doom can swap minds and Lex can't counter that.  Meh, I guess that works but kind of a dropped ball ending.

I don't quite get the next one.  This season is all episodes that have a long history with Death Battle.  I....don't believe I have ever heard Heihatchi versus Geese Howard being demanded.  I guess it's nice to have Tekken get a second showing, been a while since anything SNK as well.  Don't have a dog in that race though.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 05, 2021, 09:05:13 pm
I guess they just wanted to give Lex some kind of advantage, or Doom was just messing with him at the end. Either way, was rooting for Doom. Glad he took the win.

I honestly thought for a second they were going to do Yamazaki vs Bryan, but hey. Rematch from One Minute Melee, probably without Kuma being a tag team partner this time. I'm pretty sure Heihachi's gonna win generally because of his survival from Tekken 5's opening. Geese, possible survival from falling off buildings, is a thing, but I don't think has survived any explosions. And they probably want Tekken to have one win on their belt.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 05, 2021, 11:12:26 pm
I guess they just wanted to give Lex some kind of advantage, or Doom was just messing with him at the end. Either way, was rooting for Doom. Glad he took the win.

I honestly thought for a second they were going to do Yamazaki vs Bryan, but hey. Rematch from One Minute Melee, probably without Kuma being a tag team partner this time. I'm pretty sure Heihachi's gonna win generally because of his survival from Tekken 5's opening. Geese, possible survival from falling off buildings, is a thing, but I don't think has survived any explosions. And they probably want Tekken to have one win on their belt.

I'm all for that battle, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't Yamazaki have some part of Orochi in him or something to that effect? Bryan would have the strength advantage due to him being a rebuilt cyborg for all intents and purposes.. Hmm.

As for the next battle: I think it might be fun to see these fighting titans of business square off in an arena that mostly neutral ground. Heihachi being able to survive the Hon-Maru explosion is probably a far more crazier feat then Geese getting tossed off his tower on two separate occasions.
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Post by: Person Man on April 06, 2021, 12:12:16 am
Eh.  General idea was right, some odd choices is all.  So yeah, they gave Lex the defense of Hal Jordon by relation to Larfleeze, so there wasn't a think Doom could do physically to hurt Lex but it just didn't matter in the end due to what Doom won with. 

To be fair, the mental gymnastics of "Lex Luthor is singlehandedly as powerful as the entire Green Lantern Corp. because he fought against Larfleeze one time" was never going to stand up to any kind of scrutiny.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 06, 2021, 12:20:28 am
Hey, I'm not gonna say they're right with their research.  I disagree with the majority of their episodes, full stop, it's just usually also still a fun show.  I just also was trying to approach it from how they would present it, and seeing they're all in on the Ben 10/Green Lantern episode being accurate and they went out of their way to directly compare the two.
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Post by: Kirishima on April 06, 2021, 03:39:26 am
I don't believe Geese has any shot against Heihachi.  Just from the top of my head:

~Heihachi has decades worth of martial arts experience, way more than what Geese has.

~Has insane amounts of durability.  The Honmaru explosion only placed him in a temporary coma and still came out like nothing happened.  The closest for Geese's height would be the ending to the first Tekken where Heihachi was thrown off a cliff by Kazuya.  He walked like normal the following day.  And don't get me started on the lasers.

~Even shown to not be fazed by harsh environments like the volcano in T7 and Antarctica in SFxT all while wearing his karate gi.

~Is able to keep up with Kazuya and Jin simultaneously in Blood Vengeance in a crumbling building.  Has there ever been a moment where Geese brushes off the Bogards at full potential?  I don't believe Andy is up there with Jin. 

~His attack strength knocks out multiple Jack-4 robots all while feeling fatigue from his earlier battle at the end of Tekken 4.  So he can go for a very long time.  Also his headbutts can repeatedly destroy a Jack-5 and still gets hotblooded.

~His full power Rage Art is enough to negate Devil Kazuya's powers, who was then later shown to keep up with Shin Akuma, who could very well be on par with Nightmare Geese.

~While not canon tho it'll be funny if they somehow weasel this one in, Heihachi has access to the youth serum, which once taken turns him into a temporary appearence of his prime years, giving him a boost in power and agility, so he states, but would need to continuously digest the serum.

Honestly, just his durability feats alone makes him too much for Geese unless he did something similar.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 06, 2021, 04:08:02 am
Honestly, you just listed Heihachi feats without saying any actual reason why he would beat Geese, since you didn't list any of Geese's feats for comparison. Also the whole thing of withstanding environment in stages is irrelevant, since those are literally just stages that every character can show up in, this isn't a "canon ability", the stage is just there to be pretty.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 06, 2021, 05:31:09 am
When it comes to experience, Heihachi has that in spades over Geese.

Heihachi is said to be 75 around the time of Tekken 7... Hell, he was in his 50's when the series began. You're looking at possibly 60+ years of martial arts knowledge with Heihachi. Compare to Geese, who is 43 at the time of his 'official' death in Real Bout Fatal Fury.
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Post by: Kirishima on April 06, 2021, 06:19:07 am
Also the whole thing of withstanding environment in stages is irrelevant, since those are literally just stages that every character can show up in, this isn't a "canon ability", the stage is just there to be pretty.
Yea dunno why I added that since the fight will likely be at Geese's tower so it was pointless.

I don't know much about what Geese has done in main lore other than he's said to be immortal from the scrolls and I'm sure he's done something in some manhuas, OVAs (Raging Storm capable of striking within a large radius and Heihachi isn't that agile so he's forced to endure the whole move), etc that I'm not aware of and will likely be mentioned in his bio.  If they are gonna bring in some non-canon stuff, it's only fair Heihachi gets his youth serum.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 06, 2021, 08:41:51 am
The god dude from one of the Fatal Fury OVAs seems a lot more impressive than Geese iirc, if Geese were at that level then maybe Heihachi would be screwed but I sincerely doubt Geese scales to that dude. Bringing him up because they mentioned him in the Ken vs Terry fight. I don't think this a stomp but one dude got thrown down a cliff and lived, whereas the other fell off of a tower and died. Depends on how deep that cliff was but I think Heihachi edges it out on durability.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 06, 2021, 03:31:20 pm
I'm all for that battle, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't Yamazaki have some part of Orochi in him or something to that effect? Bryan would have the strength advantage due to him being a rebuilt cyborg for all intents and purposes.. Hmm.

To answer your question, he's part of the Hakkesshu, or the people who follow Orochi (Goenitz, Yashiro, Shermie,, Chris and even Vice and Mature). As Goenitz represents Wind, Shermie represents lightning, etc., Yamazaki represents Death, and it gives him according to SNK wiki, increased brutality with unknown results. However, like Vice and Mature, he resists Orochi's mind control due to him already being insane, so it would probably feel like an enhanced boost of speed and power. And unlike Goenitz and New Faces Team, he doesn't care about Orochi or the group in general, and just does his own thing. Also, only slight advantage in power to Bryan, because Maxima exists in KoF.

Anyway, back to the topic of Heihachi and Geese, both are cocky and arrogant. Geese might have a slight power advantage at first due to his natural abilities in game, but Heihachi's got experience in dealing with those type of power, or his own family. I can only assume they'll also bring in Nightmare Geese (if he's canon), but Heihachi also has that boost in power when he dealt with Full Power Devil Kazuya.

Edit: Another fun fact of the Hakkesshu, Rugal's goal was to obtain the power of Orochi, and more specifically the power of Nothingness/Matter, which there was no one assigned to it (Orochi himself uses this power in game., however). But as it goes, he didn't have enough power of his own to wield it himself.
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Post by: Darkflare on April 07, 2021, 01:06:07 pm
Eh.  General idea was right, some odd choices is all.  So yeah, they gave Lex the defense of Hal Jordon by relation to Larfleeze, so there wasn't a think Doom could do physically to hurt Lex but it just didn't matter in the end due to what Doom won with.  And odd they bring up Doom's siphon as a big deal, while in the fight itself even after Doom siphons the Motherbox, Lex beats him down regardless.  It came down to Doom can swap minds and Lex can't counter that.  Meh, I guess that works but kind of a dropped ball ending.
The animations they make are purely for show and aren't made to be accurate as to how the actual fight would go as they just try to showcase both characters as much as they can.


They're going to have to find something for Geese that can give him an edge. Just on Durability alone, Heihachi trumps Geese. Hei got tossed off a cliff after being beaten and not only did he survive, he climbed back up just in time to win Tekken 2. Add to that being in a point blank explosion from a bunch of Jack-4s Geese only survives his first fall due to the scrolls and he was still hospitalized. When he decided he didn't want to use the scrolls and got tossed the second time, he didn't survive.

Heihachi lasted against Kaz as long as he did through sheer willpower and even then while he put up a fight, he couldn't really compete with Kaz so I wouldn't completely compare Heihachi to Full Power Devil Kaz.

I also wouldn't compare Geese with Terry as much either. Terry beat Krauser whom Geese couldn't beat and was even scared shitless of. On the KOF side, Geese didn't take his matches in 96 seriously + he had two teammates. It's probably the same for 14.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 07, 2021, 03:19:29 pm
Yeah....I'm more than fairly aware that the animation isn't one-for-one accurate.  I've been telling that to others plenty over the years.  X doesn't exclude Y from being weird.  The general takeaway is Lex's Everyman power is superior to his Warsuit, thus the progression from Doom taking the power of the Motherbox and adding to his own to Lex's surprise turnaround.  I can't imagine the stats add up to that, Everyman Lex being better than Doom's capacity plus Lex's own Warsuit against him, it's just there for drama and narrative sense.
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Post by: D.R.B on April 08, 2021, 12:02:14 am
Honestly, you just listed Heihachi feats without saying any actual reason why he would beat Geese, since you didn't list any of Geese's feats for comparison. Also the whole thing of withstanding environment in stages is irrelevant, since those are literally just stages that every character can show up in, this isn't a "canon ability", the stage is just there to be pretty.

Do Geese have any impressive feats in canon? aside from just surviving a fall from a building? and still, took him around two years to recover? and the next fall pretty much killed him, While Heihachi falls from similar heights and walks afterward as if it was a simple foot slipped, The best destructive feat for Geese was destroying a forest in an OVA and Heihachi survived a nuke.

The way I see it in a DB that both fall from a high building into the ground with Geese Dying while Heihachi just shrugs of the fall and walks away as if it was nothing to worry about.

Even Battle wiki which is notorious for wacking characters still made Geese lower in tier than Heihachi

anyway in the meantime.
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Post by: Person Man on April 08, 2021, 12:28:24 am
I think this is going to be another one that comes down to the volume of lore and reference material to draw from, like Scrooge McDuck/Shovel Knight and Samurai Jack/Afro Samurai.  Just by the very nature of how the two series' are written and handled, Heihachi has had a lot more opportunities to demonstrate things Geese doesn't have a counter for.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 08, 2021, 12:46:42 am
Counterpoint, Lucy from Elfen Lied had two books and one anime season mostly covering the first one but downplayed while Carnage had freaking Marvel Comics history.  Sometimes you just need that one substantial feat in a short lasting series to counteract another's whole legacy of content.

That said, I'm on team Heihachi just from general knowledge of the two, if not particularly invested in this match-up.  Kinda do want to see that ending of the two falling from a stupidly large height to be the death of one of them though, just for the laugh.
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Post by: Person Man on April 08, 2021, 02:52:36 am
Fair play, but Geese doesn't really have that one substantial feat.  True, he survived falling off a skyscraper that one time, but then later he fell of the same skyscraper and died, so it's kind of a wash.
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Post by: Kirishima on April 08, 2021, 03:42:52 am
Geese does have the edge in speed.  From the OVA, he was able to dodge Terry's Power Wave and appear from behind with seconds.

I don't believe Heihachi demonstrated lightning speed at any media, at least from his age and I don't count SFxT's Critical Art.  His prime years, maybe he might have been very agile but as he is, he would rather take things head on such as the times he parried metal objects with his teeth instead of quick dodging. 

Reppuken's power varies in series.  In the OVA is was able to brutally injure Andy and Joe with one blast and Terry had to do a special stance just to repel it at full force.  In KOF Destiny, he needed to do this move numerous times and it didn't came close to the OVA.  Reppuken's power is not like Devil's lasers that were capable of melting steel and cause eruptions from the volcano.  Heihachi at full power had to endure that force sevenfold from Devil Kazuya at max power.

Thunder Break would be enough to pin down Heihachi tho and I don't believe there was a case where Heihachi repelled lightning or absorb it or nullify it.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 08, 2021, 04:18:32 am
His prime years, maybe he might have been very agile but as he is, he would rather take things head on such as the times he parried metal objects with his teeth instead of quick dodging.
That's an important point to note, however, as Death Battle operates at each of them at their prime.  If not necessarily able to showcase be it lack of sprites, models or whatever art.  Toph vs Garra was supposedly post-Last Airbender pre-Legend of Korra Chief of Police Toph versus post-Shippuden Garra though the episode showed off clearly the only resources they had on hand for example.  All Might and Might Guy did similarly by multiplying All Might's proven stats in the series to accommodate us not seeing him in his prime firsthand.

In Heihachi's case, it would be whatever greatest feat they can pull for him in his old age would thus be a lowball for him in his prime and he would get whatever benefit of the doubt in his powerscaling.
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Post by: Person Man on April 09, 2021, 03:45:47 am
Doesn't Heihachi have some kind of weird "get-young-again" potion that he uses to make himself as physically fit as he was in his prime?  IIRC that's what they used to justify using his young appearance in Tekken Tag 2 and PSABR.  I'm not particularly well kept on my Tekken lore so I can't remember if that's a canon thing or not.
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Post by: Kirishima on April 09, 2021, 04:54:23 am
Nope not canon and the only time he stayed thay way for a really long time was in Project X Zone.  But Prime Heihachi gets really nimble at that stage combined with decades and decades of experience.  If they somehow add in Nightmare Geese, then Heihachi should use the serum.

In his current appearance, the only speed feat he has is his Critical Art in SFxT but that I don't count because he never uses that move again in Tekken Lore, but the madlads are likely gonna rely on that to justify his speed.  Might as well give him the really angry form where he turns beet red and skyrockets his power endlessly while they are at.

Also there was a moment in the KOF XIV manga where Geese one shots Verse (a being that embodies souls of past KOF villians) with a slam after dodging all of its attacks with the same speed feat from the OVA.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 12, 2021, 07:23:50 pm
Please note the end of the preview... it might change a few things:

https://youtu.be/dFVtLwx79Qo
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on April 12, 2021, 07:37:04 pm
Kazumi was not possessed.  She morphed into her Devil form at will and explained that her clan's purpose was to kill people like Heihachi to prevent him from being a threat to the world.  She had full control over the Devil Gene.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on April 14, 2021, 08:39:10 pm
Predictabo...
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 17, 2021, 12:13:50 am
Random general DB observation, I was rewatching the She-Ra vs Wonder Woman episode since it got recommended recently and noticed that the DB team shared a comment describing why they should do Spider-Man versus Captain America.

It's largely MCU based, how in Spider-Man: Homecoming Tony remarks how Steve outclassed him and conversely Tony outclassed Peter, MCU has its own rules and guidelines, I recall they had a press briefing how unanimously Captain Marvel is the MCU's strongest character bar none, so whatever.  I'm just reminded once again how in DBC the cast has brought up their desire to do a good Marvel vs Marvel match and find it interesting they shared this comment.  But.....I'm not Marvel guru, but Spider-Man has that in the bag, no?  Comic Spidey, of course, unless this plays into their Archie Sonic episode breakdown where they also remarked how they want to branch out into more episodes of specific character variants and they just use the MCU Spidey and Cap. (I think they threw Dragon Ball GT and Red Son Superman as examples in the DBC?  Been a while, dunno which one it was now)
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 17, 2021, 12:19:21 am
Spider-Man would unquestionably win in either variation

Spider sense is spider sense no matter what cute jokey name they want to give it

And taking nothing away from Cap's strength but Peter has already done similar and greater with the boat, the rubble and the plane
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 17, 2021, 12:27:27 am
Eh, yeah, I guess that's fair.

Not for nothing though, I was also assuming that MCU Captain America also gets Mjolnir now, since MCU Thor has Stormbreaker as his go-to weapon for now.  Unless WandaVision or one of the other shows remarked on that to some degree.  I have not watched any of the Marvel shows so I don't know how much they cover post-Endgame.  Just some memes on fake Captain America looking like the grandpa from Pixar's Up.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on April 17, 2021, 12:33:06 am
We can assume Cap probably returned Mjolnir to Thor 2 as well along with the stones, can't really count it as a permanent part of his repertoire
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 19, 2021, 09:47:56 pm

New episode's out.

Climax could have gone better.  Interrupting someone's big dramatic counter then just waiting the death out isn't a particularly fun way to end the fight.

Next is Attack on Titan's Mikasa and RWBY's Blake.

Only read AoT until Sasquatch showed up, haven't watched RWBY on principle so can't say much on it.  I'm assuming Titans are a much bigger threat than the entire RWBY-verse judging by previous episodes on DB with their cast and Mikasa routinely takes them out.  So I'm assuming Mikasa wins.

Also just late realization, they consider Tekken Tag Team's events as "canon enough".  They could have given Heihachi his youth serum if they so chose to, they just didn't here.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on April 19, 2021, 10:41:02 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/G0DNgKJ.png)

Phantom.Of.The.Server's got nothing on this.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Blake vs someone I don't know.  Back to hibernation I go.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on April 20, 2021, 03:24:52 am
Pretty predictabo outcome, but still a pretty good episode overall.

Next episode is a rare matchup where I know literally nothing about either of the characters, not even to hazard a guess at what makes them comparable.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 20, 2021, 04:48:09 am
Asked about it myself because of my RWBY ignorance.  Apparently they're both Spider-Man knock-offs in the traversal department.  Which explains DB's previous mini-sode with Mikasa and Spider-Man.

From what I've heard Blake has RWBY magic and tricks and straight-up stolen Naruto technique of shadow and lightning clones (Not TOO surprising, seeing Yang just outright uses Halo 3 assets) but stats don't compare to AoT's universe of characters or even her Titan slaying gear so Mikasa's probably just gonna power on through and steamroll despite the much more straight-forward approach and lack of flashy magic or techniques.  Having only read what I guess comprises the first arc with the Female Titan and seeing the main RWBY team's high-end feats with Weiss in her episode, that seems believable I guess.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 20, 2021, 07:00:52 am
Also just late realization, they consider Tekken Tag Team's events as "canon enough".  They could have given Heihachi his youth serum if they so chose to, they just didn't here.

I said that Jack's crushing the meteor feat wasn't canon, because they keep upgrading Jack (well, making the models different anyway) with each game as they change Yoshimitsu every game he's in, but I'm assuming if they gave Heihachi the serum, I'd imagine they'd give Geese his Nightmare form or something like that.

Also, I have no idea on Blake and Mikasa. Only thing I know is that the Titans in AoT were a huge threat/important to the story. Are the Titans much more of a threat than whatever creatures RWBY have?
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Post by: D.R.B on April 21, 2021, 01:56:04 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVq2zIbEMfk[/youtube]

One Word :
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Also Mikasa in death battle, And her opponent :
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 22, 2021, 04:01:47 am
Not so much for future confirmation discussion, rather just stumbled upon Brandon Yates, one of the guys who does Death Battle's music tracks, YouTube page for Death Battle songs I guess they shot down after forgetting he has such a channel.  It's a shame because there's some they must have considered that I hadn't thought of before that would make rather interesting episodes.

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBrandonMYates/featured

I wonder what goes on behind the scenes that makes them choose not to go ahead with episodes on new franchises of interest, sometimes?  I can understand something being too niche like if they wanted, say, Angel Cop or Bubblegum Crisis or even Battle Angel Alita versus something (Alita would probably scoot by after the Hollywood adaptation, would be a good match-up with Samus Aran thinking on it on numerous connections albeit not the obvious cyberpunk one), but then they got Evangelion's Asuka versus Darling in the Franx's Zero Two concept music.  I haven't even watched probably more than a minute of the latter but I know its essentially Eva's spiritual successor and fairly popular.  And Evangelion's not showing up yet is mildly surprising.  Granted, it took them nearly 10 years to get to a singular Sailor Moon episode they mulled over for 5.

That said some of his choices are weird.  Some obvious joke matches but considering DB did Chuck Norris vs Segata Sanchiro previously, not completely out of place.  Undyne versus Bandana Waddle Dee though?  Undyne is clearly best paired with Steven Universe's Pearl, and she's better off with Revolutionary Girl Utena.  Isn't Waddle Dee Kirby's size also, like, an inch tall?

Actually, now that I look further into it...


So hey, they're not even all shot down examples.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on April 26, 2021, 11:25:56 pm
Bland

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Post by: Long John Killer on April 27, 2021, 02:54:34 am
I don't wish to harp on it too much, it's just the show's style, but that 3D animation that RWBY's got going is just so unappealing.  Their bird example was like watching an Ico cutscene still in development.

Pretty much all new information to me, down to apparently she's a catgirl.  If that weapon transforms and separates into so many smaller pieces, my gut says logically it must shatter super-easy by its connections.  But then anime so it probably doesn't, eh?  Something something Dust superpowers increase durability to beyond titanium levels while remaining lightweight.  The aura breaking at the comparatively non-lethal encounter around the 2 minute mark makes me assume its actual usage varies over the show.  But then I'm also left to compare to similar level Yang's episode where she can withstand Tifa's continental-destroying Limit Break....but that's also one of their top debatably wrong episodes in DB's whole series so hard to use it as sound evidence.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on April 28, 2021, 11:01:42 pm
Mikasa es su casa.

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 28, 2021, 11:44:42 pm
The comments on that one claim somewhat recently Mikasa apparently can just carry some full sets of steel train tracks around effortlessly.  That's....very superhuman of her.  Like, I assume she would be just by nature of animated content and the nature of AoT's foes, but that's beyond Captain America levels, possibly?  I was vaguely aware some point after the first arc she became prime example muscle girl but I didn't think they made a stat jump that large as well.  Like, that's probably implying she can lift and toss a Titan off its balance at ground level without her special gear.

I'm gonna assume this is a one-off oversight like the Pokemon anime's occasional occurrences in its decades long run with Ash carrying the 2200 lbs Cosmoem effortlessly or ripping a tree out of the ground and tossing it for no good reason other than cartoonish comedy.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 29, 2021, 08:48:20 am
I hope Mikasa gets wrecked if only because the ending of the SnK manga sucked. Call me petty if you want but that's life
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 03, 2021, 08:13:06 pm

Meh.

Nice they included the train track thing in the list but then didn't actually include it.  I'm filing this one under "Nah, mate".  Dropping the whole multi-generational experience thing due to maybe some tanks in RWBY are more durable than regular Titans, don't buy it.  Especially having being outsmarted being her downfall.  That transforming sword should have broken multiple times in the fight before Mikasa lost all hers.

Next is....Po.  From Kung Fu Panda.  Versus Marvel's Iron Fist.

I really don't get their season theming this year.  I get this upcoming match-up and all, it's not that, but they wanted this 10 year anniversary to be all full of large, impactful match-ups largely involved and related to this series and team as a whole.  I can't recall anyone asking for Po versus Iron Fist seriously.  Did Torrian, their old animator, move on to work with Dreamworks or something?  I don't recall them ever being big Iron Fist fans, were caught up in kicking the Netflix show while it was down like the rest of the internet.

It's not a terrible match-up, I'm just dumbfounded how this relates as important to Death Battle as a whole.  I'm left to guess it's just one of the team's dream matches that hasn't been brought up.
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Post by: Kirishima on May 03, 2021, 08:51:17 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbbcwk0tyPs[/youtube]
I can't recall anyone asking for Po versus Iron Fist seriously.
Quick search engine shows this matchup has been talked about for years at some forums so I wouldn't say it's so random and weird.

That being said, also dunno much about these two.

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this 10 year anniversary to be all full of large, impactful match-ups largely involved and related to this series and team as a whole.
So what you are saying is to look forward to "Ultra Instinct Goku vs Superman III: Why Can't I Beat Thee?".  Very nice.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 03, 2021, 09:20:58 pm
I mean hell, you joke, I'd be fine if they actually got it somewhat better than the last two.  No one who actually likes either of the two should reach the end finding that's accurate for either of them.  Certainly no one should be believing Superman is equivalent to all universes ever or that you'd need an endless spirit bomb to best him.  If they do better and Supes still wins, sure, fine, whatever.  Those last two just.....were not good representations of either of them.  From information given to presentation to the actual fights to them breaking their own rules.  The second one was especially annoying jumping the gun on Super Saiyan God and Blue in that we don't know what they are, but we'll just assume it's not stronger than Goku before.  I mean, they based Blue's strength off a joke answer, come on.

And I wasn't looking into other forums, but yes, my bad in that case, I meant specifically with the DB cast's discussions of what they get asked to do, not just anyone's random "Who Would Win?" thread.  I've never heard of it in their podcasts I think ever?  Maybe in one of their cases of throwing the question to the audience at the end of their podcasts that they pull out of a random Twitch feed.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 04, 2021, 12:01:21 am
God, please no more Goku.  The discourse surrounding him is always so fucking toxic.   

On a more positive note, I am 100% on board for this next fight.  Kung Fu Panda in Death Battle, let's go.  This show's a lot more fun when they go goofy with it, because it doesn't end with a buttload of salty-ass nerds/weebs/weebnerds throwing a bitch fit.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 04, 2021, 12:13:31 am
Considering I'm not even remotely knowledgeable about either RWBY or Attack on Titan, this match felt sort of one sided.. I mean, Blake had all of these advantages, it comes to no surprise to me that she would have won that fight.

As for the next fight - I can only assume that they wanted a kung fu battle, but this was the one that came up. I don't see how Po can handle anything Iron Fist throws at him at all.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 04, 2021, 01:14:46 am
Admittedly I've only ever seen KFP 1 and none of the sequels or spin-offs, but two things I remember about Po that will probably come up as being important is that 1) his fat panda physiology makes him more or less invulnerable to any nerve or pressure point based attacks, and 2) he has what is basically an instant one-hit kill move with that finger hold thing he did at the very end of the movie.  He literally just flexes his pinky and causes an explosion several miles in diameter.  I can't imagine DB wouldn't drag that out to its logical conclusion.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 04, 2021, 03:51:02 am
That is true, his weight does prevent nerve holds or pressure point based attacks. That is definitely something they'll bring up.

Looking up my usual source for a character (TV Tropes), there's quite a few things about Po that would help here..

-His style of kung fu could trip up some more seasoned practitioners because it looks like he's screwing around.
-In the second movie, he achieved Inner Peace... which taught him how to basically deflect cannon balls from ships.
-In the third movie, he achieved Spiritual Balance, which grants him the ability to manipulate chi. This was used to defeat Kai in the Spirit Realm.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 04, 2021, 06:22:12 am
Blake vs Mikasa was actually animated pretty nicely. No shock that they once again let their franchise IP win.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 04, 2021, 10:13:59 am
That is true, his weight does prevent nerve holds or pressure point based attacks. That is definitely something they'll bring up.

Looking up my usual source for a character (TV Tropes), there's quite a few things about Po that would help here..

-His style of kung fu could trip up some more seasoned practitioners because it looks like he's screwing around.
-In the second movie, he achieved Inner Peace... which taught him how to basically deflect cannon balls from ships.
-In the third movie, he achieved Spiritual Balance, which grants him the ability to manipulate chi. This was used to defeat Kai in the Spirit Realm.

Po also has the ability to figure out techniques by viewing it once, or figuring it out for himself (the Wuxi Finger Hold as an example).

I'm gonna assume they're gonna bring in the Nickelodeon series as well. For the top of my head, he has:
-Learned many new styles, techniques include freezing your opponent in place (entire body), blinding opponents with a clap (though, in the process, he blinded himself since he didn't close his eyes), created fireballs through chi, created a mini black hole (though he needed a member of another Furious 5 to do it).
-Went through time through the use of time seeds (though I doubt they'll use that in his arsenal.)
-Has the Hero's Chi, which is a power given from to the universe to Oogway, and then to Po which helped him defeat Ke-Pa, a giant dragon and his demon army.

Also, there's a series called The Paws of Destiny, which I wasn't aware of. Gotta watch that.

As for Iron Fist.... I only know him from Marvel vs Capcom, never bothered to watch that Netflix one due to hearing bad things about it.
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Post by: Darkflare on May 06, 2021, 10:08:28 am
Blake vs Mikasa was actually animated pretty nicely. No shock that they once again let their franchise IP win.
We're just going to pretend Weiss vs Mitsuru never happened.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 06, 2021, 05:12:37 pm
I'd say Danny can still one-shot Po with a good chi-filled punch though. Would come down to if he can get it or not I think.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 07, 2021, 12:07:52 am
Blake vs Mikasa was actually animated pretty nicely. No shock that they once again let their franchise IP win.
We're just going to pretend Weiss vs Mitsuru never happened.
While I'm inclined to think there's SOME sort of IP favoritism and/or willful ignorance screwage going on with Yang vs Tifa, I don't think off the bat they were outright doing this last episode just to promote RWBY winning. (Though as I say that Facebook gives me an ad from Rooster Teeth to come see RWBY in the latest Death Battle so eh....)  I contest it with the facts given, but I also don't want to know any more on RWBY than I already do and haven't finished AoT so I'm not going to be all up in arms about it.

Weiss and Mitsuru however does still feel like a bizarre pity win made explicitly in response to Yang vs Tifa.  It wasn't even a fight, it was a zero percent chance possibility of Weiss winning because they had a much more niche opponent who was Weiss times 2 with full immunity to everything they did.  Even then though it was oddly soft on Weiss' death, compared to....well, just about ever single other 3D animated episode.   I mean, did you see the latest episode's complete disservice to Mikasa?

I'm not going to pretend they have some stupid grand conspiracy or something, but their RWBY episodes are always, I dunno, off to some degree.
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Post by: Person Man on May 07, 2021, 01:04:45 am
I mean, having no horse in the race whatsoever it seems pretty clear cut to me what's gonna happen when you put someone with superpowers and magic against someone without either.  You could probably say it was a bad matchup from the start but I don't think their conclusion was faulty.

Weiss vs Mitsuru to me feels more like the characters just matched thematically so perfectly that the matchup was decided on the concept alone before the actual skill comparison revealed it to be a one-sided sweep.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 07, 2021, 01:28:41 am
That's an oversimplification I'm not too fond of though.  That's, like.....Harry Potter versus Superman.  Does Harry have an inordinate amount of spells and tricks and cantrips more than Superman does?  Yes.  Does he have such a trick that provides the means of killing Superman?  Sure does.

Does that prevent Supes' exceedingly more direct "Punch you in the jaw fast and hard enough until you atomize out of existence" from being the more likely outcome?

I'm still left to believe in this last episode's case Mikasa is much stronger and faster, questioning things left out on her end and embellished on Blake's end, and in her direct approach that her issue would have been the opponent's magic nonsense.  Add on the apparent impossible level of experience and knowledge then....yeah.

But it's whatever at this point.

It occurs to me after writing all that down I was just describing speedblitzing.  So yeah, that's the issue that comes to mind.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Darkflare on May 07, 2021, 02:58:29 am
I'm just going to laugh if they decide to pit Ruby against Ragna or Gordeau for the scythe gimmick because either of those two can cancel out Ruby's abilities with little effort.
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Post by: Kirishima on May 07, 2021, 03:44:42 am
She would have to get through Maka from Soul Eater first for the same reason.  Apparently this is just as highly requested than any of Ruby's opponents.

As for Ragna vs Ruby.  Blazblue activate.  GG.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 07, 2021, 05:51:24 am
Ruby is street tier though. Someone like Spider-Man would be a better opponent for her and she would still lose that one. She has no business fighting people like Ragna, Gordeau, or even Maka unless they want to do another shitstomp for the sake of doing a requested matchup, and we all know how fun those are (looking at you Quicksilver vs Flash).
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on May 07, 2021, 06:31:20 am
Then I learned the Ruby V Maka thing was requested by the late Monty Oum himself and even the DB team are aware of the demand to see this concept.

However, to paraphrase their words, rather than feed Maka a something that won't last a second to Ragna (DBX is a glorified Mugen Watch Mode fight shut up), they are instead waiting until we witness more of Ruby's development down the line in her main series so that she would gain something that makes sense against Maka without both communities tearing each other's throats over the victor, tho it'll still happen regardless. Source. (https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/9kibjc/death_battles_ben_singer_talks_a_little_bit_about/)

In short, don't expect Ruby in a DB vid for the next 10 years when RWBY finally concludes, tho they'll probably scramble to find an opponent that makes it so that Ruby's the overpowered one and then come back to this.

If they still want to go for the scythe gimmick, I'm thinking Ruby vs Marluxia of Kingdom Hearts.  There's your appetizer.
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Post by: MAO11 on May 07, 2021, 09:17:12 am
I'm just going to laugh if they decide to pit Ruby against Ragna or Gordeau for the scythe gimmick because either of those two can cancel out Ruby's abilities with little effort.

what is her abilities? stopped watching it after season 3 when it all gone shitty.
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Post by: Darkflare on May 07, 2021, 09:20:09 am
I'm just going to laugh if they decide to pit Ruby against Ragna or Gordeau for the scythe gimmick because either of those two can cancel out Ruby's abilities with little effort.

what is her abilities? stopped watching it after season 3 when it all gone shitty.
Wrong person to ask about that. But from what I understand, RWBY semblance uses some soul energy.or something.

Guess what Rags and Gourd have in common...
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on May 08, 2021, 12:51:47 am
Actually, Ruby should have no problem keeping up against Gord, maybe even besting him.  She has speed advantage against Gord's reckless mobility and it's tough for Gord to even get close to Ruby to drain soul.  Also there really isn't much about Gord's feats like durability and current Ruby Rose could probably blitz through him.


Ragna defeated literal gods.  That's all you need to know.
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Post by: GarfieldfanMUGEN on May 08, 2021, 04:00:45 am
what is her abilities? stopped watching it after season 3 when it all gone shitty.
I'm surprised I seen a "it went to shit after the third season" comment here. Unsurprisingly, it was about RWBY. But I'd just look it up on a wiki. It's what I do when I forget what episodes of Garfield & Friends I had on an old DVD growing up.

On the topic of the next Death Battle, surprising that they're bringing Po in. Definitely unsure how he'd do against Iron Fist since I don't follow a lot of comic books, that and I haven't seen Kung Fu Panda and its sequels in forever. All I remember is the Wuxi Finger Hold, which worked in the first movie and didn't work as planned in the third movie. I wouldn't be surprised if, and a pretty big IF, that if Po was to win, it would be the move to do so.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 08, 2021, 07:05:45 am
The third movie's villain, General Kai, was an undead spirit warrior. The Wuxi Finger Hold only worked on people that are alive. I can only assume that if Iron Fist somehow died and his spirit was still present, then Po would most likely do what he did there too, which was using on himself to take the battle and Kai into the Spirit Realm.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on May 10, 2021, 10:01:42 pm
Iron Chef
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Post by: Person Man on May 12, 2021, 11:11:54 pm
Pooh

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Post by: Long John Killer on May 13, 2021, 12:06:45 am
Huh.  Saw the first one quite some time ago and never saw anything beyond it, so seeing he straight-up has the Vulcan Nerve Pinch is weird.

I wonder if they'll have to measure the energy dispersal fat has on the body, if that's the basis of his defense and he seems to work on a "Defense is the best offence" style of combat?  He sounds like Marvel's The Blob, frankly.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 13, 2021, 06:23:44 am
I can't believe that I'm only a few days away from witnessing Iron Fist murder an innocent panda. PETA better get his ass for this.

EDIT: The fight is now out.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next fight is Steven Universe vs. Star Butterfly. Don’t know who wins as I don’t know enough about either character. People seem to think that Star does, though.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on May 17, 2021, 08:25:13 pm
Well, who saw that coming? I sure didn't.

As for the next battle - *sigh* I have a feeling that whoever wins, the opposite fan base will go nuts. These are two of the most popular characters from the current age of cartoons. This might be a barn burner of a match.
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Post by: Kirishima on May 17, 2021, 08:37:19 pm
Doesn't Star have some reality warping feats?  If so, it trumps whatever Steven throws, especially Stevenzilla.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 17, 2021, 09:55:47 pm
Who knew that not doing mismatches for the sake of the matchup made for a much more time entertaining death battle? (spoiler: everybody. We all knew).
Huh?  But....the episode literally laid out why one side could never win.  The other not only negated all possible forms of damage, but ignores death.  Fairly one-sided as it gets.

Anyways, cute episode.  Not a moniker Death Battle episodes usually get applied to them, but this one felt a lot more like the Danny Phantom/Jake Long episode.  They even threw puns into the math calcs for some reason.

Next is interesting to me.  Because while I've followed Steven Universe since practically day one and beyond with Tartakovsky's involvement, Star Butterfly I simply have not touched or experienced outside apparently its ending was akin to Game of Thrones' ending bad?  So my input on what she can do is simply hearsay.  What I know is that she's generally not that impressive in combat, her trick is she has one reality warping universe-ending spell that theoretically would beat the whole SU universe.  The problem is it's a ridiclously lengthy spell, minutes to half-hour to an hour from different sources, requiring full concentration and no interference.  So unless the timescale is way off or she can hide in a pocket dimension or hang out in space or somewhere "Out of bounds", this spell is a non-factor, it'll never get cast.

Steven on the other hand tore up a mountain range, alters his body to an adult age to better fight and survived a black hole as recent as the Unleash the Light game.  The last one however is probably an outlier because the entire cast survives this black hole, via gem ship.  But on the other hand, he can tear apart ships of similar durability.

Don't remember much that'll help from the comics....in fact they probably go against much of the show's canon, which Rebecca Sugar had to make a whole point one time on her layers of canon and where the show comes first, if the comic counteracts something it should be ignored.  Like the main Crystal Gems just all flying through space breathing just fine.

Though counter-point....

The show has a similar problem as Saiyans in space; they both can and can't survive the vacuum of space depending on what the story demands.  Apparently the bubbles both make air and don't similarly depending on the episode's issue at the time.

Personally, I think the oddball stat calc that will matter on Steven's end is comparing to Lapis Lazuli.  Because she kinda broke the show's power levels and over the years they brushed it under the rug.  Because she flies between galaxies in a day or two, and gems can't physically go beyond light speed.  So if they give Steven similar speeds then, well, speed blitz, Star's not gonna do a thing.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 17, 2021, 10:05:31 pm
I'm just going to laugh if they decide to pit Ruby against Ragna or Gordeau for the scythe gimmick because either of those two can cancel out Ruby's abilities with little effort.
Make her fight Death from Castlevania, the fucker got beaten so many times, Ruby would surely win.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Darkflare on May 17, 2021, 11:36:54 pm


Yea, don't post the actual Death Battle itself or anything...
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 17, 2021, 11:52:41 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I really need to go back and binge watch through Steven Universe.  I really enjoyed the characters and the setting, but I just never made the time to keep up with the show.  I never saw SvFOE so I can't really say much there, but a bit of cursory research shows that her skillset centers around creation type magic?  That feels like it might tip the scales in Steven's favor.  Past precedent from their episode with Twilight Sparkle would indicate that just having high magical potential and versatility doesn't count for much unless it equates to a high level of destructive power.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on May 18, 2021, 12:09:46 am
Who knew that not doing mismatches for the sake of the matchup made for a much more time entertaining death battle? (spoiler: everybody. We all knew).
Huh?  But....the episode literally laid out why one side could never win.  The other not only negated all possible forms of damage, but ignores death.  Fairly one-sided as it gets.

Compare this matchup to something like Flash vs Quicksilver, where everybody and their mother knew coming in that it was a mismatch, and only a battle because speedsters matchup yeah! Po vs Iron Fist isn't an obvious mismatch, we ended up learning that during the battle. It was a great episode. I'm sure there are Kung Fu Panda fans out there who probably knew that it was, but most of the internet sure didn't.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 18, 2021, 12:39:28 am
Oh, ok, you meant going in.  Then yeah, that I agree.  During the match it was fairly obvious by their calculations if nothing else Iron Fist wasn't going to destroy a planet like that meteor, if nothing else.  Going in I figured neither of them were going to be that fantastic considering my limited exposure to them.

I'm wondering what approach they'll take for next episode's animation?  Steven technically has sprites....but it's Save the Light which has his old series design though, and Unleash the Light has 3D models in that weird super deformed style on a 2.5D plane.  I don't think Star even have video games to pull from?  Or anything extensive fan made.  They could do the whole animation like Jack versus Afro, this would be the most likely episode to do it with considering the combatants.
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Post by: Dumanios on May 18, 2021, 07:40:10 pm
Po vs. Ironfist was alright.

Can't wait for Steven or Star to just abandon their character like Aang in Aang vs. Edward.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 18, 2021, 10:15:22 pm
I mean....Edward also isn't keen on killing.  Do realize the entire point of Aang versus Ed wasn't just the battle between the classical mythological elements versus the periodic table of elements, it was also built on the irony of neither could be in that situation Death Battle proposed based on their core moral values.  It's funny.  Or supposed to be, anyways.

That said, can't speak for Star but Steven's a murderer.  I mean, spoilers, but it's over a year old I think by now and the episode is pretty much bound to cover it for the stat feat related to the event.  Unless you mean just outright characterization abandonment throughout, which....I mean, has happened but they're kinda getting better at it?  I'm largely disconnected from Kung-Fu Panda but can say that last episode pretty much hit Po's character right on the nose.

I didn't think Aang versus Ed was terrible with their characterization, other than the obvious fact of them needing to end with a kill?  They were both playful in the episode and Aang was consistently apologetic while Ed was easy to send into a fury.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 19, 2021, 12:02:24 am
I really don't know how many more times this exact conversation has to happen here, but it is very explicitly stated in the rules of the series that moral limitations against killing are ignored for the sake of comparing skill and power levels.  It has been cornerstone of the entire series for a literal decade. I don't understand how people are still grousing about characterization when that's never once been the point of the show.

FFS the show is called Death Battle, not Well Mannered Moral Discussion About Whether These Two Characters Would Have A Reason To Be In Conflict With Each Other.
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Post by: Long John Killer on May 19, 2021, 12:24:50 am
To be frank though, giving a reason, as well a reason as it is for this hypothetical, as to why something fundamental with the characters in question is being changed to the point where the character is now "wrong".....does not negate the fact that the character is now "wrong".  It'll always sit weird on characters that have to be bent so far off their alignment chart to the point that the perception of them in this scenario breaks to many a viewer.  You're not wrong, but it's always gonna be weird or even distasteful to some degree.  It's usually not a problem when they write a decent enough script, but then you will get those bigger pop culture icons and people's ingrained perception of them.

Its been however many years and Goku vs Superman deciding that Goku would be fine and happy killing off a city of people and Superman destroying the Earth still doesn't feel right outside all the arguments on who does what and why and whatever handwaving reasoning, fully aware why they do what they do.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 19, 2021, 01:00:33 am
I'd still argue that the onus is 100% on the viewer to adjust their expectations to match what the show explicitly states is going to happen.  When someone says up front what they're doing and why they're doing it that way for the purposes of the result they're looking for, and you still choose to go in knowing that, you don't get to come out at the end and say "I can't believe they would do that." 
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 19, 2021, 01:12:13 am
"Bloodust" is a pretty universally recognized conceit to allow for two characters to fight who otherwise would avoid fighting, much less fighting at their full potential; there's really no way of doing these matchups in any other way.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 19, 2021, 01:22:13 am
And I'm not saying you guys are wrong in any way.  It's still will be forever jarring to an audience wide-reaching enough as Death Battle gets.  Things WILL tick those unique enough boxes that someone in the crowd will find wrong.  I myself didn't find anything wrong with Aang and Ed, but clearly they did.  I myself find Beerus and Galaxia pretty damn wrong and overall annoying the cast views Beerus as a living meme and nothing much beyond that, but I don't expect many others do as well.  But I suppose those don't fall into the "bloodlust" accountability, so....ok, Green Lantern versus Ben 10.  Beyond all the stat calcs everyone else argues with the episode, its never not gonna be weird Hal just wants to kill a kid nor Ben a police officer.  Yeah, you're supposed to just shrug and "deal with it", but it is nonetheless awkwardly handled.

Or the Mega Man Battle Royale for that matter, scrolling through their list of episodes again now.  A few of those characters have actual positive history with one-another, so willfully ignoring it is a bit strange.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Darkflare on May 21, 2021, 11:41:25 am
You're overanalyzing something that has already been explained.
The show intends to solve the question of who would win between A and B when they're both not limited to restrictions including morality. While they try to keep in character as best they can, ultimately when they have the characters go for the kill there's so much they can keep "in character". This particularly affects more the characters that avoid killing because they're definitely killing now. I mean, I would say that more than half the matches wouldn't end in a death if they kept that morality in.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2021, 08:17:00 pm
Max Galactica

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 24, 2021, 09:00:30 pm
Okay, that's weird.  They went into potential math before even introducing the character?  And.....math that doesn't make sense to the context at hand?  Huh?

They're looking for a durability feat of the shield vs the corruption song.  Except it wasn't a blast or laser or something to guard against, it was.....a song.  Just a vocalized melody that comes up a few times in the series.  They just needed to be covered from it.  I GUESS you can measure how loud a sound wave would need to be to cover the entire Earth....?

But even on top of that, it still wasn't a blast of physically damaging effect, it was more like a audibly-administered techno-virus that changed everyone who heard it psychologically.  This analysis already doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2021, 11:03:30 pm
Energy is energy.  It’s visibly producing light, so it’s still it’s still a source of power even it’s not creating physical  force.  All the light, heat, and radiation being emitted has to come from somewhere and account for something.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 24, 2021, 11:17:21 pm
Well, it didn't affect the physical Earth at all, seeing its literal whole point was to corrupt the files of the gems, so this is effectively finding how much energy it would take for a flashlight to cover the Earth and at what distance.  And the source being Yellow, Blue and White Diamond's actual gems, which....we know already every Gem species has a self-generating unlimited source of energy, they'll last forever.  And it's hard to give the Corruption Song a huge energy output as a high-tier feet when the series has a whole species of Lapis Lazuli.  Whose whole point of existing is terraforming and destroying planets as need fit for the Empire.

Actually, bugging me more than that upon review is just throwing in the light-speed reactions from the Peridot laser defenses.  I get the feeling already they're going to handwave the whole species lore from Sugar that Gems can't go beyond light-speed without A) Outside help and B) Damaging their form's stability and general design.

I mean I can assume WHY they'd give it.  Steven's crossbreed status probably relieves him of that limitation because his body is flesh, not hardlight.  And then you still have Lapis from Ocean Gem just outright contradicting the supposed limitation.  So whatever.  Still bugs me.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2021, 11:26:03 pm
I mean they literally said energy and not force in the video when calculating the output of that ability, and never once claimed that they were equating that to physical output.

I'm... really unclear as to which nit you're trying to pick here?  Is your argument that what the Diamonds did didn't actually exist or didn't happen and shouldn't be counted or something?  Because from a physics standpoint everything they said here checks out.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 24, 2021, 11:32:56 pm
I'm saying it's a weird stat to include at all to begin with.  The event they're giving attention to, they're measuring the wrong thing of importance.  It's like remarking how great Noah's Ark was at steering; irrelevant to what mattered.  If they were going for big-end feats then comparing Blue Diamond taking on Lapis would be a good start.  This here is just odd, placing it at the beginning of the character evaluation before the character in question even shows, and for something not that big a deal.  More impressive would have been if they somehow related the area of affect to the potency of the computer virus and the shield's counter-virus being that big.

But then you're going in Ultron/Sigma territory, which doesn't matter much in the long run.  So that's all, it's a weird stat to give importance to.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2021, 11:43:41 pm
I'm sure it's not the only thing they'll be tallying for Steven in the full rundown.

Also, when you consider that he'll be facing off against a pure magic user, it does make a certain type of sense that they'd want to look at his ability to defend against non-physical, energy-based abilities.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 25, 2021, 12:10:05 am
Granting they still consider Gem's as "magical".  They were called such at the beginning of the series, but as we found as it progressed, the series takes Arthur C. Clarke's third law rather seriously and all magic is just technology humanity has yet to understand.  Likely the Gems as well, considering we never found out who their precursors were, they just were built one day to be the most advanced civilization in the universe by....supposedly the last most advanced.  Was kinda hoping Future was gonna get into that but is what it is, show got cut short for Garnet's wedding.  C'est la vie

Anyways, here's Star's preview.

Seems like a weird show.  I see why the debaters are conflicted on where to put her.  The preview alone already has both destroying a dimension and her top-tier spell is akin to a simple minigun.  With all due respect to Heavy Weapons Guy fans, there's a bit of a difference between the two.

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/RHUwcWPa7ga5zZt3VRyq0qXRcEyUpSxAuv0oCuv8Iy-_G34Xj-p3GVEBLhodqMbJI4L-3jMBDAPciQ=s640-nd-rwa)
Death Battle team put out a little preview GIF.  Huh, I'd think throwing in the Watermelon Stevens is a bit unfair, regardless of who they have win.  They're not summons at his beck and call, he accidentally created a new sentient race on Earth that resemble him.  But it does bring up a good point however.  If Star wins, they kinda have to lean on that dimension/universal feat.  Because anything lower that just kills Steven and/or breaks his gem isn't going to count as enough technically, he'd just jump into the next convenient body in the universe.  Like in the Lars body swap episode.  Curious how they'll get around that one if Star doesn't just destroy the whole universe.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 31, 2021, 01:55:15 pm
Maybe the Watermelon Stevens are just the impetus for the fight?  Like, Star thinks they're some kind of magical monster and tries to destroy them, and Steven jumps in to stop her.

Also, that dimensional feat may not actually count as much as people think it will.  Like Rock Lee and the Eighth Gate, a character theoretically having access to an ability doesn't count if they've never actually demonstrated that they can, in fact, use it.  From a cursory bit of research, having never watched the show myself, it seems like all of the universe-ending spells (no pun intended) are either only described in theory or used by other characters with no clear indication that Star has the ability to do the same.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 31, 2021, 02:51:35 pm
Maybe, but that'd be painting Star out of the gate as the "villain" of the match.

...Not that that changes much, they've had plenty of episodes that just feel wrong narratively just to get the fight rolling.  Mikasa and RWBY girl was a recent one.  Was kind of hard to root for the protocol breaking rebel endangering lives for the selfish want to read a book in the animation.  Actually.....same applies to the other RWBY girl as well with Yang.  Waltz into 7th Heaven, kill the bouncers, demand information, kill when you don't get anything.  And people wonder why it's not a favorable episode.

Just not as fun when they hit one or both of the members with the Idiot Ball square in the face.  But I guess plot demands it to fit into the scenarios they create.


Anyways, here's the full thing.

Just....ugh.  No, guys.  No.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on May 31, 2021, 07:30:00 pm
The music for the fight was awesome.. To me, this was a fight where I had no clue how it would go since I've never seen either show before.. so what knowledge for both came from watching this.

If anything, Star was the 'aggressor' here since she dropped the sand tower on Steven. Still, it wasn't too bad.. I would of loved to see Steven's Pink Monster form appear, but since he has little control over it, it would have done more harm then good.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on May 31, 2021, 07:33:00 pm
Really not a fan of how their estimation of Star's strength was entirely based around non-canon flavor text for stuff that never actually happened in the series or had any actual demonstration that it works the way they claimed it did.  That is some massively flawed logic right there.

Next fight is the Link/Cloud rematch.  Wasn't this one of the ones they themselves admitted to fucking up originally?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on May 31, 2021, 07:43:13 pm
That's annoying, but currently bugging me more, alongside the "Oh hey, they DID count the virus as a TNT blast", so Star had but lost time manipulation.  Steven was already faster, and has his own to slow it to a crawl outside him and his abilities.  She'd....simply never be able to touch him.

The Watermelon Stevens are also annoying.  You showed the episode with Malachite.  He can't control them in that episode, he had so convince them with reasoning to help.  Come on, you're showing the episode that disproves your point.

Sorry, DB team.  Not a good episode.

Next, yeah, we have Cloud versus Link.  Yes, it is one of their screw-ups.  As I recall, it's also intentionally misleading, it's not Cloud versus Link.  It's Dissidia Cloud with starter gear only but max level versus composite Link of every incarnation and with all gear and items that don't normally progress onto the next successor.

I play a lot of Legend of Zelda.  I play a lot of FFVII.  I've read a lot, I've watched a lot, they're both great.  Cloud beats Link in one sword swing.  Two before BotW nerfed the Hylian Shield from being indestructible to actually rather easy to break comparatively to Link's threats.  Unless they're going with the way I'd prefer it, specifically the Hero of Time Link with the Fierce Deity Mask.  Then it's a better fight but still, Cloud easily, all day.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 01, 2021, 05:39:28 am
Well, all I can say is the sprites and music were really nice, but that was about all the nice stuff I can say about it.

And yeah, Steven controlling the Watermelons was a no. He isn't White Diamond for heaven's sake (Edit: She could control other gems to be exactly like her, and defend her at all costs, while Steven can make life that has their own conscious and free will). Also, Star is a real pain in the neck, isn't she? This feels like Toph vs Gaara again to me.

Anyways, Link vs Cloud? Yeah, I agree with Long John. This is a case of Mario vs Sonic because they got their info wrong in the past, and updates, of course.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 01, 2021, 06:11:28 am
This will, once again, come down to what they do with Link.  I don't know how much clearer they have to get than the Zelda Bibles saying the Links are not one and the same, do not share the same skillset or tools, but if I were a betting man I'd say this would be the Hero of Time Link, obviously the most important one to the series, but with BotW updates in tow.  You're not really gonna get a lot out of the new reincarnations after Hero of Time Link's death, either by old age and neglect or by Ganon early in his life.  At most perhaps comparable tools that would be mass produced and shared between them like bombs and how they're generally more destructive from a 2D perspective.  Or general world lore, which was to be expected anyways because duh.

This is in the "highballing unexpecting it out of the the DB team" category for Cloud, but given we know he beat Sephiroth fairly in Advent Children, I wonder how they will interpret the ending scenes of the first part of the Remake?  Where Sephiroth casually drags Cloud either to the outer limits of the solar system or more believable but still ridiculous, to the asteroid belt for their little heart to heart.  If Cloud's comparable at all to Sephiroth, never mind beating him, that's a speed tier Link's never touching.  Even if it is just reactionary times and not psychic flight speeds.

Also wonder since I would HOPE they give Cloud his Master Materia and Enemy Skills, how does one address L4 Suicide and L5 Death?  Because Link doesn't work on your typical RPG leveling tree, but if they somehow tie in Zelda 2 or Hyrule Warriors, he suddenly now does.  And Zelda 2 is divisible by 4 while Hyrule Warriors is divisible by 5.  So either way, Link either is put on death's doorstep and shrunk to half his size, or else it's an unavoidable, unblockable, unreflectable insta-death spell.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 01, 2021, 07:08:57 am
"Steven is better BUT STAR HAS COOL SPELLS THAT ARE TOO STRONG so she wins"
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 01, 2021, 07:37:53 am
The main one was really that throw-away universal line one.  And the grand assumption that if a past magic user of unknown power could cast it, surely Star could solely by being the, uh, "star" of the show and given the book by birthright instead of, you know, quantifiable proof.  Going by their stuff Star wasn't going to win otherwise, except that they are right in that her transformation does not seem to have the drawbacks Steven's does.  Given its complete detachment from the rest of the series, I'm in agreement that they really should not have based their whole argument around it.

It would be like....disregarding ALL of Dragon Ball lore on how their universe works because of that one time in early Dragon Ball one of the cast mentioned the planet Mars in the sky, which the Dragon Ball universe does not contain.

Though that said I still have grievances with Steven's rundown as well.  I see they just ignored the Ocean Gem Lapis departure speed feat because yeah, that was completely series breaking if taken at face value.  But then they gave him and the gems faster than light stuff ANYWAYS, so.....yeah, no.  Now that I think of it, surprised that the SU movie wasn't considered at all, what with lifting the planet destroyer while weak and poisoned.  Or hell, they gave Lapis the ocean feat but didn't bring up she was operating under a huge handicap.  If Steven is comparable to a Lapis' level, which he should be what with being a Diamond, then you'd need to find what her power output would be. (Though frankly, it's kinda laid out in their job description.  They use the planet's water supply to shape planets to keep, destroy those in the way.  So find how much water pressure would destroy the Earth)

Anyways, here's Link's preview.

Well.  Went 5 sentences until found something wrong.  Oh well.  I guess wait a week and see they they clarify that just because it's the same spirit, experience does not carry over from each reincarnation automatically.  Or else the Hero of Time's whole role in Twilight Princess would never have happened.

And now Cloud's.

Jesus, guys, why are you trying to make yourselves unlikeable to the fanbases with the presentations making fun of the characters being presented?  I'm suspecting it's a fake-out because duh Cloud is greater than Zack.  But why stop at simple Bahamut?  Why not the one that's infamous with FFVII and top of the summoning tier, Knights of the Nine?  And they got the blue materia usage wrong, too.....
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 15, 2021, 12:27:27 pm
Fight's up now.


Spoiler: Winner (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 16, 2021, 01:02:05 am
It's good they fixed their mistake.  With.....other mistakes, but considerably less egregious.  It's fine, whatever.  I guess drill home the point that Cloud > All Links ever rather than being accurate to who and what Link is.  The episode does help drive home just how ridiculous Tifa vs Yang was though.

That said, Fierce Deity was rather lowballed.  Yeah, I get it, there's really so little info on him to go off of, and his whole manga story made to explain the god, the mask and Majora the dragon from which the mask was carved was likewise booted out of the canon so what little there was to go off of was made even smaller.  But Fierce Deity isn't needed for Link to beat Majora.  It's expected storywise and Fierce Deity smacks Majora effortlessly whereas Link has a hard time, but he should be WAY above Majora's level, not just around it.

The next Batman one is that Hellbat power suit Batman has in the comics for Darkseid-level threats.  Point I'm assuming being, this is direct response to what Ben and staff have to repeat EVERY SINGLE TIME in cast podcasts when Batman shows in an episode; Batman's whole design of approaching combat is counter to how Death Battle works and always takes him at his absolute worst.  This is the opposite, answering fan feedback.  This is Batman with Prep Time.

My initial guess was they were gonna try their approach at the age-old debate on if Batman can actually legit beat Superman with his plans and countermeasures, but then the comments reminded me of Iron Man and I kinda actually forgot their fan rivalry.  And can't say ultimately what Iron Man's toppest of tiers stuff is.  I don't actively seek out his comics, and seems whenever I read something big with him showing in it he does something remarkedly cool like science-ing Asgard's tools and making Mjolnirs for every Avenger/X-Men in Ragnorok.....but nothing really on a Darkseid-level threat.  But then he apparently made anti-Galactus suits that I never read about so what do I know, eh?

Anyways, yeah, DBX is back.  Woo.  They've done Gogeta vs Vegito and Ness vs Sans already.




It's funny when they outline enough description of the characters that it becomes obvious when one side would win, so of course the voters pick the other side.  I admit I didn't get the genocide route in Undertale yet, but the whole joke against monsters in Undertale's lore is for all their fancy effects they're naturally weaker than any human child.  So then putting Sans against a powerhouse like Ness and in an actual Death Battle Sans couldn't even scratch Ness.

Yeah yeah, no research and all, yadda yadda, did this all last time with Shantae and Shovel Knight.  It's just amusing how much one side outclasses the other yet the votes has the majority believing otherwise.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 07, 2021, 12:37:22 am
Other recent DBX's.



Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 09, 2021, 03:18:02 am
Not to be a broken record, but that Apocalypse/Black Adam one is another funny example of what they present going against their winner.  Because they got to reflect the polls regardless.  So sure, Adam wins despite clearly Apocalypse regenerating from that no issue just based solely on the things they literally just said moments before.

The duck one's funny.  Bit strange they had both Daffy and Duck Dodgers there together though.  Weird they threw him in as a separate person.  Also see the staff is still carrying a torch for that Hermione Granger versus Juggernaut match-up they'll never do.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 03, 2021, 10:27:59 pm
Here's the rest of the DBX's they'll be doing for a while as they get back to regular Death Battles.




And their season finale...


And for next time if you don't want to watch the rematch....
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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on August 03, 2021, 11:25:04 pm
Awesome to see Balthazar's sprites for Blue Ranger be used this way.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 04, 2021, 01:21:13 am
I REALLY want to complain about the ridiculousness of Mercury and Blue Ranger's gap in every stat category.  I won't but man does it itch. (Actually all of them kinda make that little voice in the back of your head object how all of them outside the two joke ones and arguably the ninja one got the wrong winner but it's whatever)

The Goomba vs Koopa one's a funny mutli-layered bunch of in-jokes.  Surprised they didn't kill Green Lantern mid-interference after all the people commenting on the whole counter to time travel thing Ben's got to kill GL like that.

I'm fine with the Batman match-up, but man I would have liked it if the build-up was to a legit Batman + prep time vs Superman fight.  This one's less enticing.

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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 12:47:54 am

So, Death Battle's back soon.  9/12.  Showed off some future matches.

So off the bat, surprised Batman vs Iron Man is a sprite battle.  Really seemed they were going 3D for that.  Beyond that one that we know of is coming next, we got the mandatory joke episode, Macho Man Randy Savage versus Kool-Aid Man.  Sure, whatever.  They also show Street Fighter's Oni, Avatar's Korra and Bleach's Aizen.

Oni can and likely means Akuma in general, just going up into Oni and that whole spilt non-canon stuff.  I'm assuming it's either Asura of Asura's Wrath just because it's a Capcom "What if" they've already messed with before, or else it's Bleach's Kenpachi because the Death Battle team themselves have a weird rivalry between the two.  An Akuma/Kenpachi actual Death Battle would be my personal preference because the more exotic the match-up the more interesting it is rather than two with similar powers, but it's probably Asura because that's the fan favoirte.

Korra is hands down matched with X-Men's Storm because the DB team has brought up this match as one they've wanted to do prior and have had polls on it/discussed it.  It's probably a stomp in Korra's favor though??? But whatever, they've made questionable episodes before.

Aizen I think is Naruto's Madara?  But that's just hearsay on my end seeing it in the comments over and over and over.  I dropped reading Naruto before Madara was even a thing so I have zero idea what his powers and moves are.  He's the one in the traditional Japanese armor with the wind fan, yeah?  No idea how he stacks to Aizen, I'd assume going off the Naruto/Ichigo episode he legit can't even fight Aizen but I'm too ignorant to answer that.

There's someone from the 26-28 second mark in a destroyed modern day city with a 30-ft. length cape that I have no clue who the hell is, so them too.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 03, 2021, 02:18:51 am
Korra is hands down matched with X-Men's Storm because the DB team has brought up this match as one they've wanted to do prior and have had polls on it/discussed it.  It's probably a stomp in Korra's favor though???
Woah, how strong are Avatar The Last Airbender characters? Cuz like, just recently Storm terraformed Mars. Her peak moments are pretty fucking nuts.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 02:24:12 am
Strength level to strength level?  I doubt Korra's changing the whole planet, though Spirit World nonsense I wouldn't put it past them finding some statement, especially if Toph can sense and move things globally in LoK and she's lesser than an Avatar State character.  No, I'm thinking more insta-kill junk.  Denying Storm the ability to breath any more, dismissing any clouds, water or air, hell, turning the clouds against Storm making them solid or just another element.  Redirecting lighting right back at her targeting vital internals, etc.

Regardless of how powerful Storm is, granting Korra carte blanche rules to kill letting them just do what Zaheer the villain does removing air out of someone's lungs and the ability to get it back kinda hinders Storm, what with needing to breathe and all.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on September 03, 2021, 02:25:23 am
Oni is at a whole another level and whoever is his opponent better have some reality warping feats or illusion magic because Oni can go on for literal years of combat if they are gonna bring in his feats from Asura's Wrath.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: BurningSoul on September 03, 2021, 02:50:03 am
Korra is hands down matched with X-Men's Storm because the DB team has brought up this match as one they've wanted to do prior and have had polls on it/discussed it.  It's probably a stomp in Korra's favor though???
Woah, how strong are Avatar The Last Airbender characters? Cuz like, just recently Storm terraformed Mars. Her peak moments are pretty fucking nuts.

In the Korra series finale, Korra took energy bending to a new level by bending the energy from Kuvira's weapon, saving Kuvira's life, destroying the weapon.The weapon was at least nuclear
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: BurningSoul on September 03, 2021, 02:53:20 am
My genuine question would be if Korra's Energy Bending can turn this around as she can turn off people's bending,sure not same as mutant gene abilities but food for thought,she might be able to reflect any lightining stuff easily tho,I dont see her having enough power to finish Storm,Idk how durable is Storm?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 02:57:05 am
What are Oni's canon appearances?  Or at least, "what if" canon, since Akuma never actually goes full Oni in the story.  SF4, of course, and maybe Asura's Wrath, but does he show in SF5?  Didn't play it, only know they threw in Evil Ryu but Not Evil Ryu so admittingly I'm a bit out of touch with the story now.

I wonder if Oni will run into a similar issue that Fierce Deity Link had, where the majority of appearances count as non-canon, and the canon stuff is intentionally vague per the game's story.  Fierce Deity had his whole manga short story about being an ancient god who'd play music without end which cause Majora (The original one, not the mask) to dance until it died of exhaustion.  From which the mask was made out of Majora's flesh carved.  None of that came up at all in the Link/Cloud episode because they don't count the Zelda manga at all.  Same with Hyrule Warriors.  But what's left in the end is just you get the mask, having the power of all the others in the game and you can kill Majora in, like, three hits.

If Oni's only canon material is his SF4 opening cutscene, ending cutscene and I guess the lore tidbit of this being Akuma no longer holding back the urge to kill every living thing in sight, it'll probably drastically cut his power in their scaling where he no longer can, say, dropkick the moon in half.  And that's why I say maybe to Asura's Wrath because even in that story it's treated as a dream match equalizing the power between the two. (three, really, Ryu is there somehow breathing on the moon)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 03, 2021, 03:27:03 am
Idk how durable is Storm?
She's just a normal lady, no enhanced durability or anything like that. Though I guess she channels electricity through herself sometimes, so maybe she's immune to it? Or perhaps just the stuff she summons.

I'm sure at some point in her almost 50 year history there's been some crazy bullshit where she can surround herself with lightning to create a shield or some shit, but that's not like a regular occurrence.

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 03:51:25 am
I wonder now what Death Battle would consider a "peak performance" version of Korra?  Season 1 or season 4?  Season 4 obviously has all her character progression across the series and giant mountain sized transformation and Energy Bending and whatnot, but before the Dark Avatar storyline Korra still had the connection to all previous Avatars at once, just like Aang before her.  I don't recall how strong Raava recovered and if they ever threw in a line at some point about their restarted Avatar lineage was stronger or weaker than the previous one?  Story theme-wise, I actually have to assume end of Season 2 till the end of the series Avatar State Korra would be weaker than where she started from.  Since a lot of the story is Korra having to live with her mistakes and not everything's going to be all right.

We had something similar before with All Might, where his Death Battle appearance wasn't even what shows up in that series at all, just a hypothetical max potential version of All Might that was lost prior to the series starting.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on September 03, 2021, 04:14:32 am
I wonder if Oni will run into a similar issue that Fierce Deity Link had, where the majority of appearances count as non-canon, and the canon stuff is intentionally vague per the game's story.
The difference with Akuma and Link (and to an extent someone like Heihachi and his youth serum) is that Link is the challenger as he is so you focus solely on what he has done throughout his series without resorting to stuff like Fierce Deity, even if some things are debatable idk not a Zelda guy here.  If it was Akuma as he is, then there is no need to bring in Oni as he is a glorified "what-if" and there has yet to be a point where Akuma can morph into Oni at will or by desperation in main canon.

However, the fact that Death Battle will acknowledge Oni as he is from the teaser makes me believe that they are going with everything he has ever done with his involvement in Asura's Wrath being the craziest.  Asura tried and did nothing to pin Oni down and their fight lasted for literal centuries.  Granted, the whole thing is non-canon by itself, but then where else will you point for Oni's strengths?  The very toned down version of Oni from the Udon comics where Gill's powers somehow negated the Satsui No Hadou reverting Akuma to his base strength?

That said, if his opponent has some kind of ability to do this exact maneuver and quell Oni's bloodlust, then he'll be open for a massive counterattack.

I dunno, I wish they just teased Akuma without bringing Oni into this.  Maybe it is all a red herring and Oni will make an appearance in DBX or something.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 04:49:03 am
If it's either Asura or Kenpachi, be assured neither of them will do any soothing of the beast to Oni.  Whoever Akuma is fighting, I would assume it's not propped up from the get-go to be one he will lose to explicitly because the opponent picked has that counter in tow.

I'm still going with it being Kenpachi because they both need more Bleach characters to show by now and they REALLY need to reanalyze that series' stats.  I know Death Battle isn't a stranger to low-balls but Jesus is putting Ichigo at "Oh, California-ish at his best" destructive range pretty damn low considering the multi-dimension fluff the Spirit Society runs into and the series final boss going all End Of The Universe.  I imagine a mid to high-tier character of the franchise like Kenpachi would fit around Oni's feats in Asura's Wrath.  Probably still lose the stamina battle but hey.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on September 03, 2021, 05:38:24 am
Come on, I'm pretty sure Akuma, Oni or otherwise, gets rolfstomped by Kenpachi and especially Asura. I will facepalm hard if they take stuff from the Asura's Wrath DLC into account, as that was clearly meant to be some non-canon fun. Akuma is consistently one of the most highballed, wanked characters out there. I guess this is what happens when you're the undisputed best in your own series canon (unless Oro can humble Akuma sometime soon).
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 05:49:17 am
Huh?  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.  Kenpachi would beat Oni, he just doesn't have fighting forever unlimited stamina.  I even brought up how the Asura's Wrath story with Ryu and Oni effectively boosted the SF cast for no real rhyme or reason other than to even out the playing field.

Hell, same thing with Madara to Aizen I mentioned before, would Akuma even be able to see Kenpachi? 
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on September 03, 2021, 06:06:03 am
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I will facepalm hard if they take stuff from the Asura's Wrath DLC into account, as that was clearly meant to be some non-canon fun.
Not the first time that the madlads used non-canon stuff to justify a combatant's feats.

If it was just Akuma, eh.  Kenpachi should have no problem.  If it's Oni, then be prepared to see math logic as to why Oni's chi enables him to blitz in space like he's Frieza or something because it's literally all there is unless they pull out some obscure Udon comic to prove he is Shin Akuma with a much angrier face.

Personally I'm happy Ono isn't with Capcom anymore so we don't get anymore nonsense like this or Kage ever again.

That being said, Oni vs Aftermath Liu Kang might be interesting.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Darkflare on September 03, 2021, 06:30:29 am
Why even use Oni over Akuma?
Oni was just a what if version of Akuma that isn't even canon and his Asura's wrath version got ridiculously boosted to keep up with Asura cause he would have gotten stomped otherwise. Neither one is canon. At least Evil Ryu had a good reason to be used since that one is canon and important to Ryu's lore.

They're just going to use Akuma's feats and then multiply it by something to resemble what Oni can do.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 03, 2021, 06:41:59 am
Well, I mean, why is straight-forward enough.  It's hype.  Akuma's a 7 out of 10, Oni's an 11.  It's Street Fighter shotos on steroids flashy stuff, it's Capcom's own Rare Akuma.  Animation team probably just wants to have fun making a blue troll shoot fireballs and jetting around.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: rgveda99 on September 03, 2021, 06:49:55 am
Not the first time that the madlads used non-canon stuff to justify a combatant's feats.

Not related to that Oni match but since you mentioned it I'm now expecting Korra to use blood bending.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 04, 2021, 04:07:40 am
THAT would be stretching their leniency a bit too far.  Bloodbending is canonically the hardest form of sub-bending in the entire Avatar universe to do, never mind master, and Korra's had it happen to her a bunch of times but its never been something she's attempted to try as far as I can recall.  Unless there is some later season line where they say Katara taught Korra everything she knew, Korra would simply be missing the knowledge how to do it, Avatar State or not.  And she won't be getting it from any past Avatar's knowledge because it was only invented within Aang's frozen lifetime, to say nothing of the whole Dark Avatar storyline having her lose that connection anyways.

I'd say you'd also have the full moon issue, but A) Past Avatar DB episode Zuko vs MHA kid already told us the DB team's stance on solar/lunar cycles in a match; it's assumed these fights always take place on the bender's max potential.  Sozin's Comet or a full moon is in affect then.  But even if not because an Avatar can take advantage of both but both can't be active at the same time then B) Amon and such have already proven the rule from Last Airbender to just be a limitation that could be overcome and you can bloodbend any time.

So long to short is, if there's some line I don't recall where Katara taught Korra all her waterbending techniques (Which they MAY be, seeing Korra wasn't allowed to be taught the other forms until she mastered Waterbending under Katara) then yes, hypothetically Korra could just add that as another insta-kill maneuver.  Which is even more dangerous than the whole "You can no longer breathe" Airbending stuff.  But it's entirely hypothetical because Korra's never done it on screen and it's a black art and moral taboo to ever do it to begin with, something Korra wouldn't ever do even for minor usage, never mind killing with it.  Kinda rides that line of when is DB breaking character for a feat or not.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 13, 2021, 10:07:37 pm
Batman vs Iron Man's out now



And next time:
Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 13, 2021, 11:03:14 pm
I gotta say, it is frustrating when they outline why the loser wins while trying to defend their choice of victor.

Darkseid = multi-versal scaling to D.C. universe, which is extraordinarily bigger than Marvel's universe.  Celestials = multi-veral but to much smaller plains.  Iron Man = Celestials.  Batman > Darkseid.  I mean, come on guys.

Going for an Ant Man-styled kill on account of it being something Batman would not prepare for as well is also ridiculous.  The concept of whatever WOULD kill Batman would be something he could not prepare for it a sound idea, but Captain Atom is a thing.  I find it very hard to believe Batman would not have a countermeasure for microscopic foes.

Bleh.  Anyways, yeah, next fight, another D.C. vs Dragon Ball episode.  They're both more modernly popular but I never really liked either myself.  The animated movies I've seen don't exactly paint Reverse Flash at his max potential I would assume, but Death Battle's also previously said even Wonder Woman can catch Reverse Flash in his full run even while time is distorted.  If someone at her speed can fight and beat him, someone on Goku Black's level easily can too.  Question is if he can just go back to Goku Black's inception and just kill off weak-as-hell Zamasu?  Does Flash time-travel shenanigans let them access essentially Heaven and higher plains?  Because that's essentially what the Realm of the Kais is, the level above Heaven where the Gods of the Gods reside.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 13, 2021, 11:50:41 pm
Thawne until very recently was unbound from time which means he could freely change anything as long as the Flash still exists and persist through any timeline change that occurs

It also made him impossible to be killed - because he MUST exist he would always exist and because speedsters use strong basic emotions like love as a lightning rod to stay tethered without getting lost in the speed force Thawne uses Barry's hate to restore himself whole in each new instance

Which is why I say until recently because Barry letting go of his hate caused Thawne to completely reset back to square one but I doubt they're gonna care about that

Which all this to say that yes, Thawne can just travel back in time and between realms and vibrate his hand through baby Zamasu and he would have no compunction about doing so

It's not like Zamasu is Barry, he doesn't need him alive
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 14, 2021, 12:10:59 am
But have they actually gone to a physical realm of an afterlife outside actual death and resurrection?  There's the whole thing with speedster Death and Flash but....that's kinda different.  I know D.C. has at least one basic Christian based one with the clouds and angels and whatnot on account of Lobo and I don't know how they approach real-world religions and afterlifes in D.C. beyond that, being a touchy subject and all.  It's not exactly Spawn saying "Christianity is the most right but there's a SuperGod and a SuperHeaven as well, get over it".  Dragon Ball's is....weird.  It has, what, 4 or 5 different levels of existence that's more like a godly bureaucracy than an afterlife, each new one mostly forgotten about as the new shiny plot point comes around?  There's King Yemma/Snake Road/King Kai's whole place, whatever Hell consists of between Z and Super's changes, the Grand Kais, the Supreme Kais' own universe within each universe, and wherever Zeno resides above all universes.

And I dunno, recent and incomplete or not, that sounds like something they would include.  Did not stop them with Immortal Hulk nor this metahuman thing with Batman.  Also the whole Zamasu plan does require Thawne to even have the foggiest of ideas who Goku Black really is, what Saiyans are, what Kais are, how their afterlife functions, etc.

Unless his time travel powers explicitly let him anchor himself to an individual's timeline of their life and follow them across time and space outside his own individual knowledge, then he's kinda out of luck.  Which hey, maybe he does, I don't follow the character much outside internet memes sure love him.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 14, 2021, 12:40:57 am
Whether you want to call it a different universe, or a realm within the universe it doesn't matter

Flashes can find out where you're from by vibrational frequency and go there by matching it
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2021, 12:52:11 am
I know D.C. has at least one basic Christian based one with the clouds and angels and whatnot on account of Lobo and I don't know how they approach real-world religions and afterlifes in D.C. beyond that, being a touchy subject and all.
In general, dead people go to whatever afterlife they believe in. Generally.

Beyond that, the Abrahamic God is considered the almighty Source of all things and the top dog of all deities, but they very much avoid that stuff in normal DC books. It really only ever gets explored in the Vertigo books that are set in the DC universe, like Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Sandman, Lucifer, et. al. The regular DC books never delve into that realm beyond the typical mythological pantheons like the Greek gods and others; they also have a bunch of cosmic entities that are partially responsible for the formation of the multiverse like the Monitor, Perpetua, and all that nonsense from Scott Snyder's recent work. It's unclear exactly how all that stuff plays out with regard to to the Vertigo stuff, but presumably those cosmic entities are also mere underlings as well.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 14, 2021, 12:57:09 am
Whether you want to call it a different universe, or a realm within the universe it doesn't matter

Flashes can find out where you're from by vibrational frequency and go there by matching it
See, now, that's extra weird.  Because what would he pick up?  Zamasu is essentially gone, it's Goku's everything with Zamasu's new mind in there.  Would he pick up Goku's frequency?  Because a lot of help that would do him going back to farmer Goku or even way back to Planet Vegeta.  Would he pick up godly energy?  Because that's similar between all of them, he would just as well end up in front of Grand Kai or Supreme Kai or Zeno for that matter.

It's one of those quirks where rules of applications don't work as intended between two series that really don't work well with one another.  Goku Black wouldn't be vibrating like Zamasu.  Arguably he wouldn't be acting exactly like Goku either because while Black picked up a lot of his muscle memory he applies it in his own different way, but Goku Black essentially is a whole new guy to who Zamasu was before.

Eh.  I guess we'll see how they interpret it.  I'm not the expert.  Hell, I would have preferred Goku Black versus Black Lady, but after their Galaxia episode I'll pass on more Sailor Moon from them.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on September 14, 2021, 01:28:56 am
Dunno much about these two combatants other than the fact they are gonna find a way to shoehorn that silly lightning sword thing from the TV series for Zoom.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2021, 01:48:48 am
I gotta say, it is frustrating when they outline why the loser wins while trying to defend their choice of victor.

Darkseid = multi-versal scaling to D.C. universe, which is extraordinarily bigger than Marvel's universe.  Celestials = multi-veral but to much smaller plains.  Iron Man = Celestials.  Batman > Darkseid.  I mean, come on guys.

Going for an Ant Man-styled kill on account of it being something Batman would not prepare for as well is also ridiculous.  The concept of whatever WOULD kill Batman would be something he could not prepare for it a sound idea, but Captain Atom is a thing.  I find it very hard to believe Batman would not have a countermeasure for microscopic foes.

Not for nothing my dude, but you'd probably get a lot more out of this show if you could stop hyper-fixating on petty semantics and the fight choreography of the animated segments.

I'm only tangentially familiar with either of the next two characters, but what little I know about the Flash family of characters would indicate that going very fast gives you nigh-omnipotent control over time, space, mass, energy, and reality.  Seems like it'd be an uphill battle for anyone outside of DC's batshittery to stand a chance.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 14, 2021, 02:24:27 am
I had a very nice, long response to start a discussion on that, then the page accidently refreshed and I really don't want to retype all that.  So to frustratingly summarize, yeah, we've had this discussion before on this same topic.  I'm not looking to aggressively put them down over their faults, but they are still faults and it's explicitly what they're trying to sell as a series that stands out amongst other similar shows that I'm finding fault in, so yeah, I feel it would be dishonest to not call them out on it, minor as it may be.  It's not calamitous or anything, just.....annoying.  It's not like I'm giving up on the show, I'm still here after all.  I just look at where they can improve.

And it's not like they haven't.  They're not the same back in the first few seasons after it moved on from just Ben doing the research in a week per character where if you disagreed with them, you were factually wrong.  That's a good thing.  But it can always be better.  And after all this whole topic of the show is meant to be argumentative, not definitive.

Anyways, one other caveat to Reverse Flash's time jumping with Black specifically that I'm reminded of, not that I ever delved into the fandom topic myself since I never really got into the Future Trunks arc of Super, is that I recall hearing a bunch during and after its run is that canonically Black's time travel mishaps break Dragon Ball's own rules on time travel.  Essentially what he did do, he could not do by their own admission, and the series brushes it under the rug.  Why that is, I dunno.  I just know the staff realized by the end the huge mess they made so they had Zeno erase the entire arc out of existence to never revisit it again.  Perhaps someone more up to date on Dragon Ball, Super specifically, and its time mechanics can explain why Black is so broken?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2021, 03:06:08 am
If I'm being honest, it's the "very long response" that's nine tenths of the problem.  To be perfectly blunt, it's becoming harder and harder to come into this thread and be able to actually discuss Death Battle in any kind of productive - or even enjoyable - manner when every time I do, I first have to scroll through an entire YA novel detailing all of the different ways the most recent episode has disappointed you and how the next one is going to.

I fully understand where you're coming from, I do.  But just... chill a little bit, you know?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 14, 2021, 03:49:39 am
Fine.  Fair enough.  I'll reel it in.

But said discussion that you want me to dial back is also exactly what you're asking for, realize.  There's just a lot to say on the matter.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on September 14, 2021, 03:55:28 am
I know this is Thawne and not Hunter Zolomon, but even so, does Black even stand a chance?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 14, 2021, 06:25:08 am
This might be one of the few battles that I've seen (and I've seen all of them) where I can honestly say that I have absolutely no knowledge on either character to make a sound call.

Is Reverse Flash as capable as the Flash is? He probably has the same skill set, but does he have the insane time and reality warping powers that Barry Allen Flash has?

And what about Goku Black? He does have an SSJ form, but it is powerful enough to withstand what Reverse Flash can do?
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 15, 2021, 01:20:55 am
The transformations introduced in Super don't have official multipliers as I recall, though we can all assume the minimum is Blue is God times 10.  So it's hard to gauge what Super Saiyan Rose's ultimate potential is.  But by comparison to regular Goku's power up to the point that Zamasu took over his body, if I'm reading Death Battle's own math correctly, he would be minimally x9 universal at base, x90 universal as a SSJ, x180 at SSJ2 and x3600 universal at SSJ3.  To which Super Saiyan God is an unknown degree above SSJ3 beyond being completely untouchable, to which then you get your Blue/Rose form which is SSJG x10.

So essentially whatever Goku Black's potential will be is > 9 universes (x 3600(x10)).  I think.

To say nothing of course of Dragon Ball Heroes' nonsense power levels they make up on the fly to sell new toys.  SSJ4 keeps getting passive upgrades to being on par with whatever new monster or transformation form is at hand, because Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta are just SO impressive and blah blah blah.  Black is even more ridiculous there, but so far they haven't taken Heroes into consideration and I agree with that decision.

You also have that little bit of weirdness at the second episode of Goku Black's reveal where him in base and still even just learning how to make proper use of Goku's body.....also stood on par fighting against good guy Goku as a Super Saiyan.  The fight was cut short and Black was yoinked out of there against everyone's will so they COULD brush that under the rug that Black would have lost in the long run without knowing how to transform and good guy Goku was just doing his naive thing about fighting fair and evenly which is why he didn't kill Black, but.....ehh, sure didn't seem that way.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 15, 2021, 02:04:34 am
So, from what I'm reading there (Thanks Long John Killer!).. Goku Black is as strong as SSG Blue Goku, if not stronger?

Yikes.

But.. my biggest issue here is this: Does Goku Black have anything in his arsenal that can counter the Speed Force? I figure that since Reverse Flash is basically 'Evil Flash from the future', he would have the same ability to tap into the Speed Force like the other versions of the Flash. This gives him a HUGE home field advantage.

To get back to the last battle for a second or two here - I feel like the battle between Batman and Iron Man came down to one thing: Who is better at adapting on the fly? Everyone knows that if given time, Batman could beat anyone and it was shown that he can think on the fly.. but Batman is considerably much better when given time to plan and that's not a luxury you get in Death Battle. On the other hand, Iron Man is more then capable of thinking on the fly and that helped here.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 15, 2021, 02:12:09 am
Rose is literally just Super Saiyan Blue, the exact same form, with a different color for merchandising effect.  The color difference reasoning is handwaved in-universe as the difference between a legitimate Kai/God using both God ki and regular ki compared to a mortal using both God ki and your stock basic.  Otherwise it's just there because pink is flashy and matches with black well.  Anything Goku and Vegeta could do prior to the Tournament of Power, which really only differs at all for Vegeta, Black can exactly do as well.

Black's time jumping doesn't particularly at face value counter the Speed Force, but it does also break logic and what they can actually do in their universes, so we'll just have to wait and see how much that helps.  Ultimately, the main thing Reverse Flash has over Black in the time department is Black's time travel is not a natural ability.  It comes from the ring he's wearing.  If you can break that, he's stuck.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Lichtbringer on September 15, 2021, 06:21:34 pm
Reverse Flash has the advantage that he has the better time manipulating powers, he is one of the rare indiviudals who can rewrite history without time paradoxes and without creating split timelines etc. Time Paradoxes only occur if others try to fix what he did. He is also as far as I know mostly immune to Time Paradoxes.

Thats one of the Most Broken Powers in the DC universe.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: BurningSoul on September 15, 2021, 06:35:00 pm
Reverse Flash is definitely faster and can do a lot of hex shit,but I think Black is just stronger,basing it off the Broly vs Hulk fight and their math on anime Base Goku being equivalent to Battle of Gods SSG Goku which his battle with Beerus sended ripple shockwaves in universe,they are gonna use same SSJ3 multiplier for minumum power output and then add onto the fact that SSB Goku is even stronger and the fact Black kicked his ass,also Base Black was keeping up with SSJ and maybe 2 Goku pretty well so he might even be way stronger in this math,not to mention how Black wasnt erased from timeline despite being Hakai-ed by Beerus,meaning that time manipulation might not work so well,I think All Black needs is to land a hit,His Zenkai Boost unlike others seems to not need being through a near death experience and can just increasingly make him stronger,Idk how Durable or unkillable Reverse Flash is,If Black can just hit him with that dimension cuting scythe,he is done.tho question is will he be able to land an hit tho
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Karl/Karla on September 15, 2021, 11:13:49 pm
Being (what seems like) the only guy who knows a lot about Reverse Flash/Zoom/Eobard Thawne/Hunter Zolomon, and Goku Black equally, I can definitely say Reverse Flash is in fact faster (no shit) than Goku Black. That's it. If you're the fastest, then you're the first at everything. So a one-hit KO move wins the battle. Does Reverse Flash have a OHKO? Maybe. He could mercilessly fuck the timeline but I really don't think he's dumb enough to get himself trapped in a paradox, unless he is actually immune to paradoxes (holy shit that's OP). 'Cause he could just kill Goku Black/Zamasu before he was born. Goku Black doesn't have the experience of raping continuities, so unless he doesn't underestimate Thawne/Zolomon and tries to kill him right away, he's gonna have some trouble keeping up with him in the long run. And all of that is assuming they've met each other before in any capacity. As far as I know, they aren't making some story about how Reverse Flash and Goku Black ended up in the same battlefield, so they are most definitely gonna have an interesting excuse as to why Goku Black won. There's no way they're gonna bastardize one of these characters so that the other wins. Even though I have my doubts...
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 15, 2021, 11:45:30 pm
The point on Beerus erasing Zamasu from existence yet Goku Black continuing to exist is a good point to bring up.  That may negate Reverse Flash's whole ace in the hole.  Even if he does eliminate a prior Zamasu, Goku Black should still continue to exist.  I don't remember WHY that was the case and I don't particularly want to rewatch Super, never mind my least favorite arc, but I'm assuming it has something to do with Black being labeled a whole new being thus his history begins at the wish to swap his and Goku's bodies around.  So the earliest Reverse Flash should go to following his life in reverse would be.....here?



Which hey, that IS an extremely weaker Goku Black to the rest of the series when he figures out how to use that body's powers.....but it's still a Saiyan Beyond God base form Goku Black, that whole x9 universal scaling and whatnot.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2021, 12:01:37 am
One thing about scaling Goku Black to Goku Classic is that, from what I understand, it's someone else controlling Goku's body and who doesn't have full mastery of Goku's abilities.  It seems like there's a pattern of him not fully understanding how to utilize a saiyan's power until an actual saiyan shows up and kicks his ass six ways to Sunday with it.

If it came down to who's more capable of thinking on their feet and adapting mid-battle, I don't imagine Reverse Flash would allow Goku Black the time to come up with any kind of strategy or figure out a new power.  And if that's the case, I feel like it would ultimately come down to whether Goku Black is strong enough to just completely overwhelm Reverse Flash before the fight starts dragging out.  Which, I mean maybe he is?  I don't know.

:EDIT:  Dark Goku.  Nega Goku.  Ukog.



hsalF

Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 27, 2021, 07:52:51 pm

Episode's out now.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next episode's the joke one.  So temper your expectations and watch some Kool-Aid commercials I guess.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Person Man on September 28, 2021, 12:01:48 am
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Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 28, 2021, 12:05:53 am
I don't quite get the idea that because D.C.'s universe is much larger then DBS's Universe 7, Reverse Flash is much stronger or something like that.. It seems like a BS reason to basically say that Reverse Flash is nigh unbeatable.

I do think that it made sense that once Goku Black lost his Time Ring, it was over for him - Reverse Flash is just that damned borked.

The next episode ought to be fun and one of those where you can basically just say 'screw it, let's have fun'.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 28, 2021, 12:29:11 am
Various series that deal with space travel and superpower antics have their own stipulations on how the universe works.  Many of them needlessly more complicated than need to be, but hey.  It just makes using the term "universe" unhelpful because it becomes an undefined term.  Dragon Ball's "Universe 7" for example isn't 9 times bigger than the degree we know our own.  It's the same size, plus 8 more layers of other realms.  The Beerus feet is only ever notable in that case because it gave visible notice to be affecting all of them at once.

In D.C.'s case, it's just that they run on the assumption that the universe has a finite end (I actually don't know the nitty gritty on their specification.  Do D.C. writers follow the endless expansion theory, the receding into nothingness one or the endless loop of Big Bangs?) but they've explored space so clearly they've reached its two end points and its X much greater than what we in reality know.

Some cases Death Battle takes these into account, some not, depends on how much its covered in the series itself and how well the topic is researched.  The Sailor Galaxia episode still bugs me as example because the series takes many strides to define their weird universe of being not expanding but infinite in all means and each individual star seed has a universe unto itself, but Death Battle took it as that series has essentially just our own universal scale and the changes are just ignorable anomalies.  Bleach would be one that would likely be assumed has a different universal scale, just not well defined because it's various planes of the afterlife that co-exist as another layer on top of the living.
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Post by: BurningSoul on September 28, 2021, 12:45:56 am
the whole thing with Reverse Flash being compared to Goku Black's Multi Universal Strength is dumb,He  got fuckin killed by Dr.Manhattan in comics,Its just a weird take,they like literally picked up oldest feat he had or sth
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Post by: Person Man on September 28, 2021, 01:36:49 am
Various series that deal with space travel and superpower antics have their own stipulations on how the universe works.  Many of them needlessly more complicated than need to be, but hey.  It just makes using the term "universe" unhelpful because it becomes an undefined term.  Dragon Ball's "Universe 7" for example isn't 9 times bigger than the degree we know our own.  It's the same size, plus 8 more layers of other realms.  The Beerus feet is only ever notable in that case because it gave visible notice to be affecting all of them at once.

In D.C.'s case, it's just that they run on the assumption that the universe has a finite end (I actually don't know the nitty gritty on their specification.  Do D.C. writers follow the endless expansion theory, the receding into nothingness one or the endless loop of Big Bangs?) but they've explored space so clearly they've reached its two end points and its X much greater than what we in reality know.

Some cases Death Battle takes these into account, some not, depends on how much its covered in the series itself and how well the topic is researched.  The Sailor Galaxia episode still bugs me as example because the series takes many strides to define their weird universe of being not expanding but infinite in all means and each individual star seed has a universe unto itself, but Death Battle took it as that series has essentially just our own universal scale and the changes are just ignorable anomalies.  Bleach would be one that would likely be assumed has a different universal scale, just not well defined because it's various planes of the afterlife that co-exist as another layer on top of the living.

That's the unfortunate concession that has to be made when you start comparing universal and cosmic scale stuff in a series like this.  Each fictional universe plays by its own scale and its own set of rules, and the only metric we have to attempt to quantify any of it are the scale and rules of our own universe.  I imagine it's nigh-on impossible to settle on any set of mathematical constants that accurately represent these different universes as described in the story of origin while still allowing for relevant, comparable date to be gleaned.
I can see how it can be frustrating, but at the same time it's probably the best anyone can hope to do.

In regards to the next match, if Macho Man does not make extensive reference to being the cream of the crop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4lK41SX-Q) then I'm calling shenanigans on the whole thing.
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Post by: Kirishima on September 28, 2021, 01:42:09 am
Slim Jim fueled Macho Man can manifest explosions amongst other shenanigans at a distance.  Kool-Aid guy ain't shit.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on September 30, 2021, 07:58:04 am
the whole thing with Reverse Flash being compared to Goku Black's Multi Universal Strength is dumb,He  got fuckin killed by Dr.Manhattan in comics,Its just a weird take,they like literally picked up oldest feat he had or sth

Yea the thing is Reverse Flash died, but got better... like he always freaking does. Ö_Ö
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Post by: Person Man on October 04, 2021, 11:33:30 pm
Macho, Macho Man



Interesting take to fold all of his film and TV roles like Bonesaw in Spider-Man and Rasslor in Dexter's Lab into the overall canon of Randy Savage.  This ep is gonna be goofy as hell and I'm here for it.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 05, 2021, 02:46:55 am
Huh.  Not that it matters at all in the joke episode like this, but that is weird.  The blue guy he was voicing in Justice Friends wasn't portraying Hulk Hogan as in the wrestling persona.  It was a parody.  A bit different than the other joke episode with Chuck Norris using the animated show about him specifically.

Mostly it's weird because I'm absolutely sure without having to go over every Hulk Hogan parody out there over the many years that they contradict each other in some way.

But like I said, it doesn't really matter so whatever makes it funnier I suppose.
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Post by: Person Man on October 07, 2021, 02:48:25 pm
Cool Whip Man



That is a lot more lore than I was expecting there to be,
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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 08, 2021, 04:51:34 pm
When it comes to characters that are essentially advertisements for a product, there's no official 'canon' to follow.. so they can get away with a lot of things. Kool-Aid Man is no exception.

Here's a character most known for running through walls (Thanks, Family Guy) and now, outside of that, you learn that he is basically a Kool-Aid Wizard that fights aliens.

Either way, this fight ought to be the most fun one in a long time.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 09, 2021, 12:09:40 am
Kool-Aid Man's silly tie-in comic line reminds me of those Hostess fruit pie ads you'd find in comics all the time years ago.  So now I kinda want something like this to be the cause of the fight/end result.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/26/56/a0265644e30c3d4124e8ddf12ca8f6e4.gif)
Also thanks for the flashback to early OotS.
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Post by: Person Man on October 11, 2021, 08:20:49 pm


The DB Lore runs deep in this one.

Next match is Dio Brando vs Alucard from Hellsing.  Thematically the matchup makes sense;  two vampires known for extreme cruelty and violence.  Feels like Alucard would take the win easy, though.   One of his trademarks is allowing his opponents to inflict massive, fatal wounds on him just to prove that he can regenerate from it like it was nothing.  He's shrugged off way bigger stuff than anything Dio's ever dished out.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 11, 2021, 08:43:45 pm
This seems like one of the hugest stomps in the history of the show, so much that I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing

Alucard before the end had to be killed once for every life he absorbed which measured in the thousands and after the end probably can no longer be killed at all and fights with bullets made to specifically kill vampires

Stopping time for 10 seconds isn't doing anything against that

Should have sent out their stronger beasts, sent out their Diavolos, their Funny Valentines, their Puccis

Hurry! Hurry! Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!
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Post by: BurningSoul on October 11, 2021, 08:54:28 pm
I have no knowledge about Jojo but doesnt Dio have some Divine Op ass form,I dont know if they will include it,but could change things
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Post by: Person Man on October 11, 2021, 09:03:27 pm
No.  Pucci had some insane OP shit he got from messing around with Dio's remains, but that was far above anything Dio himself ever demonstrated.  Unless they bring in that non-canon Ascended Dio form from Eyes of Heaven, which I still don't recall having anything that could beat Alucard.
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Post by: Kirishima on October 11, 2021, 09:45:41 pm
Slim Jim fueled Macho Man can manifest explosions amongst other shenanigans at a distance.  Kool-Aid guy ain't shit.
God dammit.
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Post by: D.R.B on October 12, 2021, 04:30:32 am
Next match is Dio Brando vs Alucard from Hellsing.  Thematically the matchup makes sense;  two vampires known for extreme cruelty and violence.  Feels like Alucard would take the win easy, though.   One of his trademarks is allowing his opponents to inflict massive, fatal wounds on him just to prove that he can regenerate from it like it was nothing.  He's shrugged off way bigger stuff than anything Dio's ever dished out.

Well In case people forgot but it seems Villians have the worst luck when they face heroes/protagonists in DB

ya, I'm given this to Alucard based on that alone
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 12, 2021, 05:09:37 am
Melty Blood's and Tsukihime's recent reboots make me realize that an Alucard/Arcueid match would have been a whole lot more sense than Dio.  But oh well, you get what you get.

Never cared about Jojo, followed Helsing up until, I dunno, the aircraft carrier with the werewolves or priests or whatever it was early on years ago, so I can't contribute much beyond hearsay.  Hearsay says Dio can't even keep up with Alucard, never mind follow his ten-step program on killing him.

If you say he has a specific number of deaths needed to kill him off for good through a loophole though, I can see Death Battle dragging out the fight by getting Dio close to however many thousands needed between all his various ways to kill during repeatedly spammed time stops.  Just a shot in the dark how they'd approach it though.
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Post by: bass30655 on October 12, 2021, 06:15:34 am
Next match is Dio Brando vs Alucard from Hellsing.  Thematically the matchup makes sense;  two vampires known for extreme cruelty and violence.  Feels like Alucard would take the win easy, though.   One of his trademarks is allowing his opponents to inflict massive, fatal wounds on him just to prove that he can regenerate from it like it was nothing.  He's shrugged off way bigger stuff than anything Dio's ever dished out.

Well In case people forgot but it seems Villians have the worst luck when they face heroes/protagonists in DB

ya, I'm given this to Alucard based on that alone

Next match is Dio Brando vs Alucard from Hellsing.  Thematically the matchup makes sense;  two vampires known for extreme cruelty and violence.  Feels like Alucard would take the win easy, though.   One of his trademarks is allowing his opponents to inflict massive, fatal wounds on him just to prove that he can regenerate from it like it was nothing.  He's shrugged off way bigger stuff than anything Dio's ever dished out.

Well In case people forgot but it seems Villians have the worst luck when they face heroes/protagonists in DB

ya, I'm given this to Alucard based on that alone

True, the only time I can think where the villian kills a hero is Hulk vs Doomsday. Maybe one half of broly if you count Z. Wow Hulk lost every Death battle he's been in so far.
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Post by: Person Man on October 18, 2021, 07:02:07 pm
Ronnie James

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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 18, 2021, 11:53:07 pm
Wait, wait, wait.. Dio somehow got himself involved in the new timeline??

Is there nothing he can't do???
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Post by: Person Man on October 20, 2021, 10:54:41 pm
Dracula

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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 21, 2021, 12:29:04 am
Them mentioning Alucard's true form isn't made of blood seems like them laying to rest the only argument I've been seeing for Dio

But hey I've been surprised before
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Post by: MAO11 on October 21, 2021, 02:30:33 pm
another dio vs alucard? isn't it already obvious who;'ll win?

i want battles with no obvious winners like tserreidnich vs diavolo or misaka vs magneto.
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Post by: Person Man on October 21, 2021, 05:03:22 pm
The more I think about it, there literally is no circumstance where Dio can win.  To actually kill Alucard he would have to be able to kill every single life Alucard ever absorbed, and he would have to be able to do so all within the span of a single night before the sun rose and killed him.  And killing all of Alucard's lives is such a massive task that it took Alucard himself 30 years to do it.

Even without considering differences in strength, speed, or skill, Alucard could just sit there and let Dio do whatever he wanted until the night was over and the sun kills him.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 25, 2021, 04:02:36 am
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Post by: Foobs on October 25, 2021, 05:49:04 am
They went with the wrong Alucard. Adrian Farenheit Tepes would make for a less one sided match up.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 25, 2021, 07:34:47 pm

Episode's out now.

Neat.  My assumption of how it would play out logically without seeing either series in any extended sense was actually what they ended up doing.

Next episode is Akuma versus Shao Khan.  That's....not Kenpachi.  Or Asura.  What gives?  Oh well I guess, that match has history with the show as well I guess.  Um, I'd guess unless they count Asura's Wrath as canon, Shao Khan takes it fairly easily, especially if they consider Shang Tsung's lesser soul steal ability a viable strategy against Akuma.  Taking Asura's Wrath into account though you got Oni drop kicking the moon without much effort and Shao never physically showed anything on that level of strength or speed.  If they count Asura' Wrath and still give Shao the win, it'd have to be on account of his more oddball abilities Akuma has no defense against.
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Post by: BurningSoul on October 25, 2021, 08:24:48 pm
I kinda feel like soul steal aint gonna be a vital thing,SFV Story Mode thingy of Kage literally has conversations of Kage(Satsui) and Akuma and how Akuma is keepin Satsui from takin over,
wouldnt this qualify as some sort of resistance to soul manipulation?
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on October 25, 2021, 10:10:12 pm
Well, color my surprised on the outcome this time!

Also, is this a sort of revenge thing going on for both fighters the next time? Is this because Akuma killed Shang Tsung, while Shao Kahn killed M. Bison?
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Post by: D.R.B on October 25, 2021, 10:16:39 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Svx4h73n_A[/youtube]

Sooooooooooooo.............
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Post by: Darkflare on October 25, 2021, 11:31:40 pm
Akuma vs Shao Kahn might be interesting especially since they're going to have to recalculate both fighrers feats anyway. I figure the fight will be determined by how likely Akuma can land the SGS.
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Post by: Kirishima on October 25, 2021, 11:42:19 pm
If they depressingly include Oni, at best it'll be the Udon version where it was just a much more enhanced Shin Akuma and is incapable of doing any ludicrous feats from Asura's Wrath, where he will just endlessly tank everything Shao Kang throws.  Honestly, Oni would just be overkill in general.

Although Liu Kang's Ki-enhanced fist was enough to deal a fatal blow to Shao Kahn, Akuma's own fist can split the ground with Sekia Kuretsuha, and this is not just in his Shin Form.  Add that same energy with Raging Demon once Shao Kahn is at a fatique state.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 26, 2021, 12:57:01 am
Well, that fight ended up differently then I thought.. Guess it helps that the kind of moves and skills that Dio has is nothing Alucard has seen before and Dio could basically run the clock out, so to speak.

The next fight is possibly one sided, but there is new material for both fighters since their last fights (Akuma was in Season 1 and Shao Kahn was in Season 2) so there is a chance Shao Kahn could do something, but I don't know if he can.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 26, 2021, 02:36:18 am
Akuma vs Shao Kahn might be interesting especially since they're going to have to recalculate both fighrers feats anyway. I figure the fight will be determined by how likely Akuma can land the SGS.
I wish them good luck on calculating Shao Kahn, considering how much of a disaster MK's story became. The consistency on the characters' power is completely random.
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Post by: Long John Killer on October 26, 2021, 03:10:34 am
Mulling it over a bit, two things come to mind.  One, we know Shao Kahn destroyed multiple "realms" in MK's history, more-or-less equivalent to other planets that have their own dimensions.  But what exactly qualifies "destroyed"?  I haven't played any MK stories in a while, so I'm trying to remember if we've ever actually seen the guy actually blow up any planets with his own two hands and/or hammer.  Supposedly he could being juiced up on the souls of each and every individual on those planets, that's KINDA what the original game's stories are about, but even being the big End Boss until MK11 supremely neutered him, I still don't think Shao Khan is exactly planetary by the viewable feats in game?  I also can't imagine he'd, you know, WANT to.   He's Shao Khan the Konqueror, not the Destroyer.  He wants to rule these planets, being his endgoal.  Otherwise the case would be he'd be so way above not just Raiden but probably all the Elder Gods as well, if Elder God status goes to someone as low on the totem poll of gods as that Mother Earth character from MK11.  We then have the problem of MK11's new big End Boss Kronika being so far above the others as to be manipulating the whole universe to her whim, that then that MK scaling gets thrown out the window.  Especially with Liu Kang's plot armor still letting him beat Kronika in the end anyways.

Two, I haven't played SFV so I'm in the dark what new lore and whatnot has happened with Akuma, but previous incarnations I'm left to imagine the Shun Goku Satsu won't do much to Shao Kahn if Gen is anything to go off of.  If the enemy can't guard their soul and are guilty of sin then yeah, it's an instakill, but Shao Khan's whole deal is soul mastery.  If Bison could freaking do it, Shao Khan should have no issue pulling off the same.  Where that could differ is if SFV changed how it works or if Oni's ampt up Satsui no Hado junk is any different.  And those I just don't know.
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Post by: Person Man on October 26, 2021, 03:24:06 am
It's kind of a toss-up on this next match.  On the one hand, DB's previous calculations for Mortal Kombatants would indicate their staggering levels of violence don't typically equate to high levels of power.  On the other hand, Akuma is the reigning world champ of failing to actually kill people.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on October 26, 2021, 05:00:20 am
Imagine being an animator just animating some clouds and a laser, having no idea that six years later some nerds would take the random speed at which you animated the clouds to be literal speed and use that to calculate how strong a character is for their dumb fight show.
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Post by: Darkflare on October 26, 2021, 10:40:00 am
Mulling it over a bit, two things come to mind.  One, we know Shao Kahn destroyed multiple "realms" in MK's history, more-or-less equivalent to other planets that have their own dimensions.  But what exactly qualifies "destroyed"?  I haven't played any MK stories in a while, so I'm trying to remember if we've ever actually seen the guy actually blow up any planets with his own two hands and/or hammer.  Supposedly he could being juiced up on the souls of each and every individual on those planets, that's KINDA what the original game's stories are about, but even being the big End Boss until MK11 supremely neutered him, I still don't think Shao Khan is exactly planetary by the viewable feats in game?  I also can't imagine he'd, you know, WANT to.   He's Shao Khan the Konqueror, not the Destroyer.  He wants to rule these planets, being his endgoal.  Otherwise the case would be he'd be so way above not just Raiden but probably all the Elder Gods as well, if Elder God status goes to someone as low on the totem poll of gods as that Mother Earth character from MK11.  We then have the problem of MK11's new big End Boss Kronika being so far above the others as to be manipulating the whole universe to her whim, that then that MK scaling gets thrown out the window.  Especially with Liu Kang's plot armor still letting him beat Kronika in the end anyways.

Two, I haven't played SFV so I'm in the dark what new lore and whatnot has happened with Akuma, but previous incarnations I'm left to imagine the Shun Goku Satsu won't do much to Shao Kahn if Gen is anything to go off of.  If the enemy can't guard their soul and are guilty of sin then yeah, it's an instakill, but Shao Khan's whole deal is soul mastery.  If Bison could freaking do it, Shao Khan should have no issue pulling off the same.  Where that could differ is if SFV changed how it works or if Oni's ampt up Satsui no Hado junk is any different.  And those I just don't know.
Shao is a conqueror first and foremost. He likely "destroyed" a realm by conquering it, stealing every resource he could get from said realm and then killing off anybody that was useless to him and stealing the souls of everyone he deemed worthless. I doubt he would even bother to have an army if he could do it all himself.

Gen surviving was cause he "emptied his soul" which I guess is just fancy talk for he removed his soul temporarily. Gouken supposedly did something similar to just end in a coma. As for Bison himself, you can make the argument that he used his psycho power to survive as much as you can make the same argument that he took the full brunt of the SGS and just soul transferred to a new body.
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Post by: Person Man on October 31, 2021, 07:24:59 pm
Gouki

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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 01, 2021, 12:46:55 am
Surprised they didn't mention anything about Oni in that.. maybe they're saving that for the full video next week (or maybe Oni is considered non-canon and, therefore, cannot be used in Death Battle).
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Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2021, 11:41:33 pm
Shokan

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Post by: Kirishima on November 04, 2021, 12:21:29 am
(or maybe Oni is considered non-canon and, therefore, cannot be used in Death Battle).
Pretty much.  Even in SFV, there has never been a case where Akuma can fully morph to Oni at will outside as a secret boss and the only time where Oni even showcased his full power not as a playable character is at another Capcom game where power scaling just rocketed to ludicrous heights and that incarnation of Oni curbstombs Shao Kahn.

Udon Oni is another other version but his appearence is brief and apprently can be neutralized by Gill's ki for reasons.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 04, 2021, 04:21:41 am
Oh, the version of Oni that appears as a special boss in Asura's Wrath. Yeah, that's not going to happen..

I would like to think that experience comes to play here and Shao Kahn has that in spades considering he has been fighting for far, far, far longer the Akuma has. Although.. doesn't the Shun Goku Statsu kill your soul? That would be like kryptonite to a character who is stronger because of the souls he has absorbed. That might be the trump card for Akuma.
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Post by: Darkflare on November 04, 2021, 10:11:18 pm
Oni is supposed to be a what if version of Akuma. Akuma's story is that he has mastered and learned to control the Satsui no Hadou. Oni is what happens when he loses control of it.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 05, 2021, 12:00:20 am
One would suppose the logical way they approach Oni is Shao Khan's soul magic junk would force Akuma to lose control.  It's all implied possible in theory but not in this current storyline, your basic "what if" scenario.  How much it differs from Shin Akuma though is up to debate.
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Post by: Ness on November 07, 2021, 07:36:42 pm
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 08, 2021, 09:26:15 pm

Episode's out now.  Next episode is Korra versus Storm.

The animation this episode was a bit stiff.  A bit odd rebuttal to the Shun Goku Satsu too.

Next episode was discussed before, but to reiterate, still fairly certain Korra wins.  Hard for Storm to fight with no air.
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Post by: BurningSoul on November 08, 2021, 09:30:17 pm
The whole episode was dumb,they went off and used non-canon Akuma Meteor shatter feats then went off to give Shao Kahn even more non-canon op materials
but never even mentioned Onİ or Asura's Wrath Oni but ended up scaling Shao Kahn to Elder Gods,Oni was more than enough if scaled to Asura.Completely ignored.Thats DeathBattle for you
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 08, 2021, 10:00:56 pm
Rewatching the fight, I'm wondering if they had bigger plans but hit time constraints?  Shin Akuma got literally two attacks, and one was countered and made a joke of.  The ending likewise just is way too abrupt and stiff suddenly.  Hits lost that feeling of impact and the whole of everything post-SGS was off.  I get it was referencing Neatherealm's stiff animations, it was the whole shoulder tackle deal, really, but it still needed some more time in the oven.

Also Death Battle has a habit of that with mutli-stage transformations and it's a bit disappointing.  They lead and end strong, but mid-forms get such short-changed, especially against opponents who don't transform as well.  So it always comes across as weird when one guy is doing way better in their base form than their super form's first stage, and only marginally better in their final form.
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Post by: Person Man on November 08, 2021, 10:25:07 pm

The animation this episode was a bit stiff.  A bit odd rebuttal to the Shun Goku Satsu too.

Agreed.  Maybe it was the sound design but it felt like nothing Akuma did had any sort of effect as it was happening.
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Post by: Darkflare on November 08, 2021, 11:15:32 pm
The whole episode was dumb,they went off and used non-canon Akuma Meteor shatter feats then went off to give Shao Kahn even more non-canon op materials
but never even mentioned Onİ or Asura's Wrath Oni but ended up scaling Shao Kahn to Elder Gods,Oni was more than enough if scaled to Asura.Completely ignored.Thats DeathBattle for you
I believe they mentioned that they were willing to take non canon feats if the actual canon supported the possibility of said feat being plausible.

Really, the only thing I got from this was how Mortal Kombat is inconsistent with itself.
So Shao can tank hits from Elder Gods and Liu was able to beat him twice, so I guess Liu has more power than the gods. And given how Shao has the power to merge planets, Liu can either tank it or dodge Shao.
But in the same timeline someone much weaker can just sneak behind him and snap his neck and that actually kills him.
And in the second timeline, the elder gods inbue Raiden with their power and Shao tanks that, but then Raiden roughs him up a bit and that's enough to be able to smite Shao and take him out for good. Also Liu died to Raiden by accident.


Am I missing something here?
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Post by: BurningSoul on November 08, 2021, 11:21:21 pm
then there's whole Mk11 lore stuff with Kranokia setting these up etc to make Liu and Raiden enemy's  of each other etc and Kitana killing Shao Kahn with ease
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 08, 2021, 11:46:12 pm
To be fair, Kitana didn't just win "with ease".  She won after Shao Kahn had to already fought with Kotal Kahn, which likewise was not easy for him.  He lost to her when he was not at his best.  That said, Kitana being superhuman and all, it still came across as quite the stretch having her win.

Liu Kang outright has Nintendium-grade plot armor.  He really shouldn't be able to do what he does, but his clothes must be made out of sewn 4-leaf clovers and colored with leprechaun blood because GOD is he lucky.  And faithful so his faith is rewarded and yadda yadda, but still.
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Post by: Person Man on November 09, 2021, 12:17:25 am
MK doesn't really do powerscaling.  They always just go for what looks the coolest/goriest, narrative implications be damned, so any attempt to straighten out power levels and lore is gonna be murky at best.  And ordinarily that's fine because nobody plays Mortal Kombat for the math.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 09, 2021, 01:03:13 am
Liu Kang is planetary by DB scaling then, which means Fire God Liu Kang has some absurd power multiplier that puts him at dimension level or some bullshit. Main I hate DB scaling.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 09, 2021, 01:17:11 am
Worthwhile reminder, as per the Death Battle Cast of people who work there themselves, they're quite open that traditionally, if you were to take mostly any video game series protagonist and put them in a Death Battle with their antagonist with Death Battle rules, the protagonist would lose the vast majority of times.  I believe they brought this up following the Ganon/Dracula episode where they proclaim any Ganon would defeat all the Links without their own plot armor, similar to any Dracula to any Belmont.  No real different with Liu Kang to Shao Kahn, he wins in the games because the Hero needs to overcome the impossible adversity.  Drop them in a Death Battle, Shao Kahn gloats once, gets bicycle kicked, then crushes and rolls up Liu Kang into a little flesh basketball and shoots a 2-pointer.

Not too many big name series/characters that go against this, thinking on it.  I guess Samus to Ridley, Ridley's never had a chance, he's just real good at hanging on to dear life.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 09, 2021, 01:39:47 am
I don't buy that. Shao Kahn has always been Liu's bitch, without complicated plot contrivances like Johnny and Cassie having glowing green shit. He's the one protagonist I can think of that doesn't really have plot armor and actually dies a whole bunch. Lore passes it off as him being that good and just being the chosen one plot, and still just gets killed by a neck snap. If anything this goes to show that MK characters have shit defense, at least.

The one time Shao Kahn beat Liu, it was because FG Liu Kang was manipulating the timeline and made himself job to him.

Lore Shao Kahn is one thing, DB's dream version of Shao Kahn is another.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 09, 2021, 01:47:45 am
What I got out of watching that episode is this: Akuma is strong enough to fight strong humans (and superheroes, supervillains, etc.) while Shao Kahn is strong enough to fight literal gods. There's no way Akuma could counter that unless he was given the non-canon version of Oni that was in Asura's Wrath, which can break planets.

So.. are they going to eventually have Shao Kahn fight Gill so he can go 3-for-3 against Street Fighter's biggest and baddest fighters?

As for the next fight: Well, honestly.. I have little to no knowledge on Korra, but what little I do know is that she's an air bender (I think). Going up against a comic book character is always problematic because abilities and skills change most, if not all, of the time with whoever is writing the character.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 09, 2021, 01:58:52 am
Well, yes and no.  As an Avatar, she knows airbending, though it was the whole background plot of the first season that airbending was specifically the one type she was terrible at understanding because its teachings were in direct conflict with her beliefs and understandings.  Kinda a non-issue after that though, really, because she pushed through when dealing with the first season's antagonist and got the hang of it since then.

Skillset to skillset, an Avatar to Storm are fairly comparable if not directly the same.  An Avatar would get more actual terra firma control plus fire and lighting control and energybending which is essentially controlling others souls.  Storm would get more, well, weather related effects.  Its the extent of how far they can push their control that's up for question, because as you say being a comic book character Storm is much more diversely written and contrarian to previous feats just by nature of the platform.  And Korra you'd have to establish what the greatest benders are capable of, how much the Avatar State puts one above them, and how much that correlates with an Avatar bending the Spirit World.  Plus Korra's whole kaiju form and whatnot that I'm forgetting.

It was brought up prior that Storm terraformed a planet, I'd assume through really high pressure rains, but Toph at her prime was also stated to be able to manipulate the Earth and find anyone anywhere on it, so if nothing else, I'd assume Korra's Avatar State earthbending is a notch above terraforming Storm.  But that's all guesswork, I'm not an Avarar encyclopedia and only followed X-Men for so long.
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Post by: Person Man on November 15, 2021, 07:25:11 pm
Quora



Tempest

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Post by: rgveda99 on November 20, 2021, 09:10:23 am
LOL. I feel like Korra wins by default cause she's got the potential to have that gorier fatality (blood bending cough, cough) and getting the Marvel fan boys so ticked off enough to care about replying in the comments section and have that Youtube algorithm to do its job.
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Post by: Professor Voodoo on November 20, 2021, 09:53:08 am
So, concerning Akuma vs Kahn.....

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Also....

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Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 21, 2021, 03:36:30 am
There is nothing stopping Storm from camping up in the air and just pelting Korra with endless thunder. Not that she would need to resort to that though.
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Post by: Professor Voodoo on November 22, 2021, 07:33:54 pm
Korra vs Storm...

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Post by: Person Man on November 22, 2021, 08:16:27 pm
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Next up is Aizen vs Madara:  Battle of the keikaku.  It's been a hot minute since I read either Naruto or Bleach, but I remember both of them being pretty much OP hax in every category.  I'd give the edge to Aizen, because IIRC he's slightly more hax than Madara, being functionally immortal. 
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Post by: BurningSoul on November 22, 2021, 08:21:10 pm
If Madara is allowed to go Jinchurriki Shenanigans.His Truth Seeking Ball/Orbs can harm immortals up to a point where they cant regenerate he just needs to land hit.Almost disintegrating everything it touches
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Post by: Professor Voodoo on November 22, 2021, 08:31:06 pm
Owing to extreme desensitization due to being in battle forums where damn near EVERY match uses mainstream Shonen characters (Goku, Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy) and 1 seinen character (Saitama), I'm fairly apathetic towards Madara vs Aizen, tho the animation will likely be fun to watch....
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 22, 2021, 11:22:23 pm
I don't have a lot of knowledge on Aizen because I never watched Bleach before... I am a little familiar with Madara because he has to be one of, if not the, single strongest character in the Naruto universe because, and correct me if I'm wrong here, he took on both Naruto and Sasuke at their peak and kept up with them for some time.

The last time they had a battle between Naruto and Bleach, it wasn't even close - Naruto won in a romp. I'm fully expecting the same thing unless Aizen has immortality or some other BS hax.
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Post by: Person Man on November 22, 2021, 11:40:33 pm
Aizen does have immortality, IIRC.  He can regen from pretty much anything and can't age or die naturally.  One of the biggest points I remember about him is that nobody in the Bleach universe was ever strong enough to outright defeat or kill him; just wear him down enough to where he could be sealed away.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 23, 2021, 12:46:43 am
Aizen does have immortality, IIRC.  He can regen from pretty much anything and can't age or die naturally.  One of the biggest points I remember about him is that nobody in the Bleach universe was ever strong enough to outright defeat or kill him; just wear him down enough to where he could be sealed away.

0_0

Okay, that's not fair.
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Post by: D.R.B on November 23, 2021, 02:22:54 am
Korra vs Storm...

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while its kind of true
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Post by: MAO11 on November 23, 2021, 02:26:01 pm
If Madara is allowed to go Jinchurriki Shenanigans.His Truth Seeking Ball/Orbs can harm immortals up to a point where they cant regenerate he just needs to land hit.Almost disintegrating everything it touches

can he beat saitama though?

jokes aside i want something different match up other than this guy vs that guy with similar powers.
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Post by: EgyLynx on November 23, 2021, 03:29:14 pm
If Madara is allowed to go Jinchurriki Shenanigans.His Truth Seeking Ball/Orbs can harm immortals up to a point where they cant regenerate he just needs to land hit.Almost disintegrating everything it touches

can he beat saitama though?

jokes aside i want something different match up other than this guy vs that guy with similar powers.

So not Kakaroto vs Vejita... or ?
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Post by: rgveda99 on November 26, 2021, 11:37:12 pm
LOL. They actually didn't use blood bending.

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 28, 2021, 04:14:22 pm
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Anyways, not a fan of some things in this one, moving on to the next.  Time for them to finally reevaluate the Bleach series after the Naruto/Ichigo one left Ichigo at a hilariously lowballed level of "blowing up California".  I still have no idea how they got it so low as that.  But this isn't Ichigo, it's Aizen.  And as for the other dude, I simply did not follow Naruto long enough for Madara to be introduced.  So what the hell is his deal?  All I know of him is when he appears in crossover Shonen Jump press stuff, so as far as I know his abilities are wind and necromancy based I think?  Otherwise I'm in the dark.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 28, 2021, 11:21:31 pm
Anyways, not a fan of some things in this one, moving on to the next.  Time for them to finally reevaluate the Bleach series after the Naruto/Ichigo one left Ichigo at a hilariously lowballed level of "blowing up California".  I still have no idea how they got it so low as that.  But this isn't Ichigo, it's Aizen.  And as for the other dude, I simply did not follow Naruto long enough for Madara to be introduced.  So what the hell is his deal?  All I know of him is when he appears in crossover Shonen Jump press stuff, so as far as I know his abilities are wind and necromancy based I think?  Otherwise I'm in the dark.

For what little I understand about Madara, he's a freaking tank - He took down all nine Tailed Beasts, Naruto and Sasuke, Hashirama (His old rival) and many others on his way to achieve his plan, but he got stabbed in the back and lost his powers and then died afterwards.

He is considered to be one of the most dangerous ninjas to ever live in the Naruto universe, so that means something...
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Post by: BurningSoul on November 29, 2021, 01:23:28 am
he is like legend in naruto verse,battled with like first hokage or sth, and is an uchiha so he has every thing Sasuke had in his battle vs Hiei,Sharingan,Susanno armor,Rİnnegan(Besides Teleport),,I'm wonderin if they'll include his form when he absorbed Ten Tailed Beast,I would probably say Continent/Mountain Buster at base
 
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 29, 2021, 02:50:00 am
That doesn't particularly tell me much....except the Uchiha thing.  Which shouldn't matter much, Aizen is a Soul Reaper.  A ghost.  Unless the Naruto series has shown feats of specific mind manipulation on ethereal objects, i.e. ghosts, all those little mind games won't work.  Similarly, the whole reason the Naruto/Ichigo fight was able to get off the ground was that Naruto had to have some sort of loophole to even see Ichigo as Soul Reapers are invisible to the mortal plane.  If Madara lacks that, then he's automatically handicapped fighting something he has no presence of.

The tailed beasts never seemed that big a threat in comparison to monsters of the Bleach universe.  The Nine-Tailed one that lives in Naruto or the sand one in Garra was freaking town-levels of destruction.  But as the series went on I got a general consensus of power inflation so I'm sure that they're at least not THAT weak anymore.  Because those things are literally what Ichigo and Uryu fought way early on in Bleach, before the whole series took a turn in tone with the Soul Society, one of those Grande Hollows is about that level of destruction.

Also it just occurred to me that I never caught Burn the Witch like I meant to and that may be brought up sharing the same Bleach unvierse and whoops.
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Post by: BurningSoul on November 29, 2021, 07:00:21 pm
the tailed beasts power is determined by how many tails they have 9 tails was able to cancel out giant energy blasts from all the rest,where madara foddered all at same time
They are obviously going to ignore not being able to see thing if they wanna make it a fair fight cause madara that absorbed the Ten Tails is untouchable without immense physical strength or specific type of energy used in attacks.
or they can just mention rinnegan ability to rip souls out and find a way to make Aizen seeable.
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Post by: Person Man on November 29, 2021, 07:14:22 pm
Mahna Mahna

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Post by: Long John Killer on November 29, 2021, 08:28:44 pm
Hm, so the war fan he uses isn't a bansho fan knock-off, he's not wind element based?  I figured from gameplay stuff I've seen he could flap it and cause hurricanes like the one from Dragon Ball.  It works more like, well, Reflect from Kingdom Hearts comes to mind.  Blocks anything, sends the energy back twice-fold.  Wonder why he even bothers wearing armor then?

I dunno, it's just the mini-rundown but he doesn't particularly wow me from the Naruto stuff I've seen.  On the other hand, I find DB's take on Naruto himself having more chakra than the monster locked in him whose whole point was to be his chakra well and it's enough to destroy the moon weirdly overselling him, so eh, what do I know.
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Post by: Person Man on December 01, 2021, 07:32:02 pm
Aizen the prize



Alternatively, All Aizen Me.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 01, 2021, 10:38:44 pm
Someone mentioned this in the comments and I feel that this might help decide a winner here:

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this is going to come down to how DB explains if Kyoka Suigetsu is genjutsu or not, and how Madara can see through it. Even Aizen himself explained it isn't an illusion, but a complete hijacking of a person's senses
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Post by: Person Man on December 01, 2021, 10:59:41 pm
That right there is the thematic similarity that makes that matchup work.  Besides being major villains with insanely elaborate plans, both of them heavily utilize strong mass hypnosis.  If it comes down to which one of those two abilities is more effective than the other, I'd give the edge to Aizen.

Madara's Infinite Tsukuyomi has a very specific activation condition that requires a lot of elements to be in the right place at the right time, and can be broken out of through strong enough willpower, natural immunity, or external stimuli.  Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu only has the activation condition that the opponent has to have seen it in its active state at least once, ever, and it can never be broken out of, even if the opponent realizes they've been hypnotized.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 01, 2021, 11:21:36 pm
That breakdown reminds me, Death Battle still equates all soul-based magic as one and the same across different media, don't they?  Like with Naruto and Ichigo how they find chakra and reishi to be the exact same, despite....very acutely not being so?  So Aizen is 100% composed of the stuff like all the Soul Reapers and Hollows and junk.  Dunno how that affects their organs and blood, because on paper it all just sounds like supernatural hardlight constructs from heaven.

I literally have no idea how the Soul Society functions with having children and future generations when they're also likewise unaging and stuck at the form they died in if they're souls transitioning from the human world to the afterlife, because it's not one of those "age to their specific potential prime then stop" deals as we know with Hitsugaya's whole weirdness of being a 10-year old with the mind of a 1000-year old except for his bankai or whatever randomly ages him some additional 15 years temporarily.  The whole background lore of Bleach is much more rule of cool and that's kinda Tite Kubo's whole M.O. since he started working on manga, but it makes my head hurt just thinking of the Soul Society's worldbuilding.  Then the last Bleach chapter throws in a time skip that only now the Soul Society decide to age the survivors a bit.  I'm forced to assume the implication is newborns coming from the other side of the life/afterlife boundary Soul Reapers just kinda age out of adolescence up to the point they just choose to stop at.  I don't know how else it works, and it being all afterlife magic nonsense that handwave excuse is as good as it needs really.

Anyways, this is a roundabout way to getting to say, Aizen hypothetically shouldn't have DNA or cells.  Or corporeal DNA, whatever, he doesn't have the thing Madara's whole eye jutsu deal works off of.  If they're doing the soul energy composite deal like Naruto/Ichigo, Aizen to Madara, if he can even sense the guy, should just be a humanoid-shaped ball of fire to him.
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Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2021, 12:21:42 am
Technicalities like that kind of have to be hand-waved away for the sake of argument, though.  Otherwise half of these debates couldn't even happen.  For example, theoretically Ganondorf would win against every single character from every single series because TLoZ lore repeatedly states that he can't be defeated by someone who doesn't have the triforce of power.  In the same way that you have to concede the idea that these two characters would be willing to kill each other regardless of canon, you also have to concede the idea they both would be able to actually fight each other too.

"X character wins because of this technical lore MacGuffin" would be a very boring, easy copout that would neither be a satisfying answer to the matchup nor an entertaining video to watch.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 02, 2021, 02:31:24 am
So, is it the sword that can create hypnosis? If so, that's a big advantage in Aizen's favor because he doesn't even have to look at his opponent to hypnotize him.

Also - The Sharigan can see down to a cellular level... but Aizen isn't exactly human anymore. It could, in theory anyway, see his spiritual energy the same way it sees chakra in the Naruto universe. But, without its main ability, doesn't the Sharigan become useless in this fight?
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Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2021, 03:06:32 am
That's gonna have to be one of those things that needs to be swept under the rug for the sake of argument, I think.  Not really much of a discussion to be had if one character can't even see or touch the other due to a technicality that holds true in one series' universe but not the other's.  Reiatsu and chakra may as well be interchangeable as a general purpose anime superpower measuring system.  You could call it ki or nen or haki for all the difference it makes when measuring them with real-world physics.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 02, 2021, 06:01:30 am
Very valid point there, Person Man.

One last thing for me and it involves Aizen's Big Black Box spell (I know there's an official name for it, but come on - I've never watched Bleach at all and I think Big Black Box is easier to understand). They said that it takes a long time for it to launch because it requires quite the incantation just for it to happen.

Considering how galaxy sized his brain is, couldn't Aizen recite the incantation before the fight begins so he can launch the spell during it? Or is it something that he has to do the incantation during the heat of battle?
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Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2021, 01:10:40 pm
I looked it up to see exactly how it works, and it seems that if he intends to use the incantation it can't be done in advance as the spell is cast as soon as the incantation is done.  He can cast it instantly without saying the incantation, but at the cost of reducing its power to about 1/3 of its maximum.   

For reference, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSZzhTDcPis) it what it looks like when used without the incantation, and this (https://youtu.be/7rLNa_peIdc?t=13) is with it.  It's much stronger at the full strength, but the incantation takes about 30 seconds to recite completely.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 03, 2021, 12:08:32 am
I looked it up to see exactly how it works, and it seems that if he intends to use the incantation it can't be done in advance as the spell is cast as soon as the incantation is done.  He can cast it instantly without saying the incantation, but at the cost of reducing its power to about 1/3 of its maximum.   

For reference, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSZzhTDcPis) it what it looks like when used without the incantation, and this (https://youtu.be/7rLNa_peIdc?t=13) is with it.  It's much stronger at the full strength, but the incantation takes about 30 seconds to recite completely.

Okay, so he can do it without an incantation, but it is a weaker version of the move. Got it.

On the other side of the plate - Is there anything Madara can do that can damage Aizen? This might be the perfect revenge battle for Bleach fans... especially after how Naruto curb stomped Ichigo.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 03, 2021, 12:52:15 am
I'd assume one of the holdovers from the gap in Death Battle episodes covering Bleach was how everyone and their mother at the time was calling foul on how lowballed the Bleach universe's powerscaling and Ichigo, the de facto strongest character was minus deliberate cheating powers like Aizen and Yhwach.  So it really shouldn't even be a curbstomp with the victor decided over their tricks instead of raw power output.  Granted, a problem Bleach has when powerscaling is a lot of their huge accomplishments are vague.  Like Aizen stopping that time worm thing that can eat all of time and space.  That's a hard to quantify feat and is the reverse issue if you highball Aizen then as "Oh, well, all of space = Aizen is at least universal".

That all said, I don't particularly imagine Aizen has as much physical strength in comparison to Madara going by how chakra amps physical strength as well.  He was shocked at the Ichigo he fought that was a few steps down from his ultimate form could just wave his arm and vaporize a mountain range from the pressure alone, implying his power would not match.  But their spiritual/magical TNT range nonsense Death Battle loves to measure by is probably ridiculous.
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Post by: Person Man on December 06, 2021, 07:29:26 pm


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As for the next match, while I'm disappointed I'm not going to get my Saitama vs Squirrel Girl match I've wanted for so long, Popeye is a suitable substitute.
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Post by: BurningSoul on December 06, 2021, 07:47:49 pm
I knew it would  come to Madara's black weapons and orbs to finish Aizen as they negated regeneration,I think this might be one of few battles I agree with result and one in a long time where fan base comment section got this heated since Goku vs Superman,I was expectin Rinnegan to be used to determine if Madara would be able to see Aizen and interact on same extent,Naruto characters are insane on strength feats towards the end of the series and they weirdly get nerfed at the boruto cause plot but ,I'm not even sure if Aizen had anythin that Madara's Susanoo couldnt survive the blow even.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 06, 2021, 09:43:11 pm
Yikes there's a lot I disagree with that last episode.  How did they possibly come up with Earth, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo being three Earths?  They literally gave Aizen the mountain feat that the episode takes, like, 10 minutes of outright explaining that Ichigo did, not Aizen.  They gave Madara's orbs a big emphasis, despite literally just being what Aizen's whole body and sword already does?

I really don't get why they lowball Bleach so much.  It's not like it's a top tier in powerscaling series, but jeez.

The next episode is weird because I thought they did their joke episode already.  Saitama is a parody/joke-ish character and Popeye is just a cartoon physics guy so you HAVE to take it as a joke like they did with The Mask.  I'm assuming they're doing it just because Popeye won't really die unless they can somehow prove it would be scientifically funny to have him die in a fight, that's how the whole toon thing works.  Which.....good luck?  Or else the point is to just kill off Saitama so people can stop overselling him, I dunno.
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Post by: D.R.B on December 06, 2021, 09:59:16 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcGoiNzAcxs[/youtube]

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Post by: Long John Killer on December 06, 2021, 10:37:04 pm
That comparison doesn't hold much water....first off, they reexamined the two series and it seems they ranked Ichigo higher than before when they did his episode, so moot point.  But beyond that, Ichigo beat Aizen at a point when neither was near their full power shown off in the series, so that holds about as well as claiming in a Goku vs Vegeta match, Vegeta wins because he completely outclassed Goku....when they first met and Vegeta was only beaten through outside help.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 07, 2021, 12:11:53 am
This battle was one of those Death Battles that I love the most - where on the base level stats, the two fighters are about as evenly matched as you can get. It takes a trump card for one to win the battle, and that is what Madara had. His orbs and weapons made from said orbs gave him that final edge. I will give Aizen credit for keeping it very close.

The next fight... *sigh* I understand the theme here - Both Saitama and Popeye can punch really, really hard. What I don't get is the match up itself -  The only way Popeye stands a chance is if the version they're using is the one from the old school cartoons done by the Fleischers. In one of those cartoons, you had Popeye blow the sun out like a candle without his trademark Spinach. Having him go up against a character whose signature move is a single punch that can literally destroy a planet if given the chance seems like an absolute unfair fight.
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Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2021, 12:42:32 am
The biggest challenge they're going to face is trying to figure out Saitama's defensive capabilities.   By that I mean that nothing has been shown to be capable of even remotely having any effect on Saitama physically, let alone actually hurting him to any degree.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 07, 2021, 12:44:12 am
Nothing physically.  There was that one time Popeye brought a man to suicide over all their zaniness if I'm recalling correctly, no?

No, I'm not recalling correctly, never mind.  Just looked it up again, it was a case of the guy was already suicidal, Popeye was trying to cheer him up, HIS zaniness got on Popeye's case and he murdered the guy as the episode's punchline.  Whoops.

Not that I'm a One Punch Man expert, but as far as I know, outside the intentionally loose guideline of Saitama's new upper limit can be whatever the situation demands, the limit that we do know of is ONE saying he'd be universal giving it his all at one point.  Which in a universe of building-level threats to utmost upper-limit planetary threats, yeah, that still comfortably leaves Saitama at many leagues above the rest without worry while still being a quantifiable level to place him at.  Something your Dragon Ball or Saint Seiya or Sailor Moon character would beat, those kinda of ridiculous multi-versal series, but most others would get wiped fighting against.

The weird part would be going off that example as your baseline durability feat, having to prove with a straight-face that Popeye in universal+.  I mean, toon force and all, but still.
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Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2021, 01:30:10 am
If I had to venture a guess, I'd think that what DB will focus on for giving Popeye any kind of edge will be all of the weird, esoteric, borderline supernatural things Popeye is able to do via punching.  It's all toon force nonsense, of course, but Popeye can do some absolutely ridiculous shit with a punch.

Things like literally butchering a stampeding bull and building a meat market with one punch, (https://gfycat.com/sizzlingwetindianspinyloach) punching a spinning industrial sawblade without getting cut, (https://gfycat.com/jealousbitesizedeelelephant) or punching a radio so hard that the guy in the broadcasting booth feels it. (https://gfycat.com/bestrecentharlequinbug)

Whether any of that would have any kind of effect on Saitama is another matter entirely.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 07, 2021, 04:52:12 am
This match-up reminds me the DB team once, years before the Ultra Instinct meme was a thing, were looking to put Scooby-Doo or Shaggy in Death Battle.  I think it was Scooby versus Courage the Cowardly Dog?  That also resurfaced for one of their Cast episodes as well.  I forgot who Shaggy was supposed to fight but point being they wanted to do an episode really trying to get into the nitty-gritty of toon force and what beats it outside assuming all cartoons are related to Who Framed Roger Rabbit and weak to The Dip.  I guess they just shelved the whole idea until they wanted to touch on it to kill Deadpool with The Mask, but I kinda want to still see what they think is a reasonable way to out-science comedy.
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on December 07, 2021, 06:41:02 am
Welp. Popeye murdering Saitama is a good a finale as any I suppose. I gotta say, for a season themed around "most requested" matchups a lot of these sure feel random.
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Post by: Person Man on December 13, 2021, 07:14:12 pm
Caped Baldy

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Post by: Professor Voodoo on December 13, 2021, 11:08:57 pm
Caped Baldy

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ven16Gg2nw0[/youtube]

I am surprised it took them this long to put Saitama in a match. Along with Goku, Naruto, and Ichigo, he's one of the most (over)used characters on VS debate forums....
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Post by: Person Man on December 15, 2021, 07:08:54 pm
One tough gazookus

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Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 15, 2021, 07:29:52 pm
Question: was One Punch Man ever shown to have a limit to his strength?
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Post by: Person Man on December 15, 2021, 08:45:51 pm
So far?  No.  I’m not fully up to date on the manga, but AFAIK at this point Saitama hasn’t even shown off what it looks like when he’s actually trying.
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Post by: Person Man on December 20, 2021, 07:34:36 pm


What a good episode to end the season on.  The animation and the writing were top-notch. 

The next season preview is pretty hard to make out;  The only ones I could clearly see were Tanjiro Kamado from Demon Slayer and Tetsuo from Akira.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 20, 2021, 11:55:47 pm
I like how 3D Popeye was modeled after the 2000's trend of giving Warner Bros. and classic cartoon characters gangsta apparel and gold chains and guns and hoodies and junk that thank god died off.  I remember seeing the vendors in NYC hawking those shirts with shirtless Popeye tattooed from the neck down like that.  Just missing the gold and gem-encrusted grill.

I think the funniest part of this is how much it undersells Saitama's potential.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna pretend to argue the outcome, but, like, their version of Star from Star vs the Forces of Evil can beat Saitama.  Which....maybe not her in particular, but yeah?  He never was THAT grand.  Just an obscenely large fish in a small pond, and funny for it.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 21, 2022, 06:18:26 pm
Next Death Battle is Harley Quinn vs Jinx, so here's preview for Harley.



What's the 'J' stand for again?
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on March 28, 2022, 10:51:55 pm
It's out now.



Spoiler: Outcome (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

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Post by: D.R.B on March 28, 2022, 11:57:13 pm
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on March 29, 2022, 04:48:50 pm
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 06, 2022, 01:37:25 am
Crimson Beldam
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Post by: D.R.B on April 06, 2022, 10:41:50 pm
and on the other corner
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 11, 2022, 10:50:22 pm
The performance begins:


And Next Time:
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 13, 2022, 12:58:13 am
It is quite surprising to see how strong Zatanna really is and how one's mental state can be the difference between victory and defeat.

As for the next battle... I've never seen Demon Slayer before, so I have no knowledge on Tanjiro at all. I can assume that the demons from Demon Slayer are a far different beast then the vampires from Jojo's... but there has to be something that Tanjiro has that can either counter or possibly nullify Hamon.
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Post by: MAO11 on April 17, 2022, 08:22:28 am
powers from demon slayer is hamon. i haven't read demon slayer but from what i've seen and heard the protag isn't OP it just happened that his ability was a perfect counter for the main villain. but then again jonathan is basic vanilla powers. so things could go either way.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 18, 2022, 10:20:48 pm
Here's Tanjiro


Edit: And here's Joseph


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Post by: Knuckles8864 on April 25, 2022, 08:18:35 pm
Sorry for the double post, but here's the DB:


And Next Time:
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Post by: Seadragon77 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:37 am
It kind of went the way I kind of expected to go: Johnathan is a far better hand-to-hand fighter then Tanjiro is, so you have that... but, of course, Hamon is a far stronger tool and that lead to victory here.

The next fight... well, this somewhat conflicting for me. This feels like a chance for Vegeta to get a win for Dragon Ball, much like how Shadow finally got a win last season after being the punching bag. I just don't get the connection here...
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on April 26, 2022, 05:32:04 am
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Post by: Lichtbringer on May 09, 2022, 09:21:19 pm
And here is THOR vs Vegeta
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Post by: D.R.B on May 24, 2022, 01:33:54 am
I take it that this thread is on life-support now? I guess every possible interesting matchup is done with the exception of Galactus vs Unicron

oh well, the recent one


next one
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 24, 2022, 05:28:10 am
This was a pretty one sided battle save for the fact that Homelander could stun Omni Man, but he wasn't strong enough to do any damage to him. It basically showed the difference between a hero from a warrior race and a test tube corporate creation.

As for the next battle... I got to be honest with you guys, I have never seen Akira before. So, I'm going in blind with Tetsuo. Even then, it doesn't seem like he could do much against Magneto - dude has a metal arm and Mags could easily just rip it off because, you know, metal arm. Unless the psychic powers that Tetsuo has can overcome anything Magneto throws at him, it's going to get ugly fast.
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Post by: MAO11 on May 24, 2022, 02:39:33 pm
well akira can manipulate everything so magneto on a power scale would lose. problem is that akira can't control his powers.

magneto has what? pulled a bunch of meteors? while akira can recreate the universe. it's other one sided match. if it was magneto vs. misaka then that would be a better match imo.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on May 25, 2022, 07:33:29 am
Isn't Akira the guy that becomes a blob and blows up?
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Post by: D.R.B on June 04, 2022, 12:07:28 am
Isn't Akira the guy that becomes a blob and blows up?

the Manga/Anime is called AKIRA but the MC name is Tetsuo  actually and not so spoiler at this point: yes he does
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Post by: Darkflare on June 04, 2022, 01:38:56 am
Curly moustache
https://youtu.be/XiWvVmS91t8

K9999
https://youtu.be/L8v1KzorlXY
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 05, 2022, 10:54:28 pm
well akira can manipulate everything so magneto on a power scale would lose. problem is that akira can't control his powers.

magneto has what? pulled a bunch of meteors? while akira can recreate the universe. it's other one sided match. if it was magneto vs. misaka then that would be a better match imo.
Tetsuo is not limited to only metal, sure. But aside from that, he's outclassed by Magneto in almost every conceivable way. Magneto's not only got actual control over his powers and decades of training with them (where Tetsuo struggled to control his powers and even the manga version had only a few months of practice with them; while the movie version had them for like a day before dying). Tetsuo also starts devolving into a giant flesh monster when his powers get too out of control, which kinda feels like a big knock against him.

Moreover, Magneto has repeatedly demonstrated that the range and upper limits of his control over magnetism is far, far superior to Tetsuo's telekinesis. This is just not a fair fight, Magneto's just too crazy powerful.

Also that thing where Tetsuo creates a new universe is like, he's working with all the other psychic kids to pull it off, and also they have to leave their own universe to do it. It seems like Tetsuo (and presumably the rest) die when they do that, though they also sorta become one with the new universe or whatever. In either event, if it were treated it as a combat ability, it'd be a suicidal move, so I'm not sure that really counts as winning in one of these contests.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on June 06, 2022, 11:29:05 pm
The episode is out, here it is:


Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next time on Death Battle - we get mythical.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 15, 2022, 10:54:24 pm
Honey, you mean Huuuuu-


Hmm. Monkey.


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Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 21, 2022, 12:00:30 am
Sorry for double post, but the battle's up!



And Next Time...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty


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Post by: Seadragon77 on June 21, 2022, 12:24:04 am
Everyone knows that Hercules is very strong... but Sun Wukong is on another level. All those advantages he had added up. It was also a fun fight to watch, with it being treated like a mythical story and all.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: GreenZed on June 21, 2022, 12:47:42 am
Hey, Seadragon77. Don't want to sound like an asshole, but how about you'll start putting battle outcomes in a spoiler? This isn't the first time you've done this, posting unmarked spoiler within 24 hours after DB video dropped.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 21, 2022, 04:13:15 am
Hey, Seadragon77. Don't want to sound like an asshole, but how about you'll start putting battle outcomes in a spoiler? This isn't the first time you've done this, posting unmarked spoiler within 24 hours after DB video dropped.

Sure...
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 28, 2022, 11:50:46 am
Honestly, loved the style of that fight. Kind of wish if started with the Hercules pot before going into the Eastern Style scroll though, but what can you do, really?

This is the W- wait, not that guy?


Technically an Alien
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 04, 2022, 10:38:46 pm
Death Battle's up. Happy 4th of July, everyone!



Spoiler: And Next Time... (click to see content)
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Post by: Seadragon77 on July 05, 2022, 05:59:35 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 06, 2022, 09:17:54 pm
The Shining Blade of Leibowitz


Not the Thunder God or Big Bear
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 12, 2022, 06:18:33 am
Aaaaaand here's the fight!



Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

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Post by: Genosan742 on September 17, 2022, 01:08:21 am
Here's the (currently) latest Death Battle episode.



I'm surprised nobody posted this up until now, but, better late than never.
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 17, 2022, 01:28:41 am
It was a kind of a forgone conclusion that Bond's gadgets would win the day for him, but now the proof is in the pudding there.

Next time is Black Adam vs. Apocalypse. IMO, Black Adam takes this because his powers are pretty much the same as Shazam's powers and I don't think there's much out there that shows Apocalypse being able to negate those powers - I know the movies aren't the best source, but he did get routed by the Phoenix Force in one of them, and that's a far stronger power then what Black Adam wields, I believe.
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Post by: D.R.B on September 19, 2022, 09:34:53 pm


for next DB

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Seadragon77 on September 20, 2022, 12:22:43 am
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 03, 2022, 08:07:18 pm


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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 03, 2022, 11:31:39 pm
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Post by: GarfieldfanMUGEN on October 12, 2022, 07:23:44 pm
SpongeBoy Me Bob



Super Friends Aquaman (...and Meg)

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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 14, 2022, 01:37:14 am
What they show from the previews is a cartoon character against a comic book character... this could go either way.

One thing to remember here when it comes to Super Friends Aquaman - the abilities shown here are a very far cry from what Aquaman can actually do because of the rules in place for the series at that time. When Super Friends came out, violence wasn't allowed in the series, so the Aquaman here is massively gimped.

Will that translate to a win? I don't know...
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Post by: drewski90 on October 17, 2022, 07:53:53 pm


Next time and just in time for halloween

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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 18, 2022, 03:36:05 am
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Post by: bass30655 on October 18, 2022, 04:56:44 am
Best joke fight?
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Post by: Lichtbringer on October 31, 2022, 07:07:20 pm
Jason vs Michael Myers.
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Post by: Karl/Karla on October 31, 2022, 11:09:11 pm
My money's on Jason. Jason Voorhees is a fuckin force of nature.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 01, 2022, 12:18:07 am
My money's on Jason. Jason Voorhees is a fuckin force of nature.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 01, 2022, 11:06:15 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 02, 2022, 07:27:25 pm
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 07, 2022, 08:16:02 pm
Not Just a Giant Eyeball



You are now entering... Lich's Crypt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf54StLTJjk)
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 14, 2022, 08:22:37 pm
And the new one's out:


Spoiler: And Next Time... (click to see content)

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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 14, 2022, 11:38:09 pm
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 15, 2022, 06:33:54 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

It's One for All, actually, but since the other does exists and is another very powerful Quirk, yeah I can see the mix-up.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

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Post by: Knuckles8864 on November 30, 2022, 08:25:31 am
Just to catch up since the site was down:

Not the Zelda Scrub (Yes, they're called Deku Scrubs, not Shrubs)


(Asta)l Finish!


And the Battle:


Spoiler: Results (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next Time: Season Finale (click to see content)

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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 02, 2022, 05:34:03 pm
I know a friend on Twitter who mentioned that Potara fusions are stronger then regular fusions and that is canon.

The only thing to really figure out here is this: How wide is the power gap between a Potara fusion and a regular fusion.
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Post by: yaret on December 07, 2022, 03:20:17 pm
Just to catch up since the site was down:


Spoiler: Next Time: Season Finale (click to see content)
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Post by: D.R.B on December 21, 2022, 09:53:45 pm
Gogeta VS Vegito

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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 21, 2022, 11:02:11 pm
Figured that I was in the ballpark with the prediction. I just didn't realize it was that close.

So that ends this season of Death Battle, but two battles were announced for Season 10...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Seadragon77 on May 31, 2023, 07:50:23 pm
Season 10 is underway as they had Ant-Man vs. The Atom...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Next time, it's a unique battle as the Chosen Undead from Dark Souls faces the Dragonborn from Skyrim.
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 01, 2023, 05:18:34 am
The Bonfire Master


Ra Do FOOS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_mP77i69UQ)



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Post by: D.R.B on June 05, 2023, 11:21:37 pm


wasn't really looking forward to the fight, next one thought.....
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 06, 2023, 06:31:10 pm
Ugh, I find the results of this one very iffy, but then again, I wasn't really expecting much logic from it... not that I expect logic from Death Battle anymore.
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Post by: D.R.B on June 19, 2023, 07:20:43 pm


next time
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 20, 2023, 08:42:29 pm
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 01, 2023, 08:36:25 am
"Blue Punch Buggy!"


"You've fought aliens, bounty hunters, your own cousins... but nothing's prepared you for.... A RACCOON!"



Edit: Aaaaaand it's out!



Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)

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Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 04, 2023, 05:17:07 am
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 11, 2023, 03:04:58 pm
The Vader who Darths



"Dawson.... Tobi."


Aaaaaaand it's out!


Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 17, 2023, 08:58:22 pm
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Post by: PBRTODD101 on July 20, 2023, 02:41:11 am
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 24, 2023, 08:07:55 pm
BIRD UP!


Quoth the.... you know



Aaaaand it's out!



Spoiler: Next Time.... (click to see content)
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 10, 2023, 04:07:07 am
Missed this one. Guess I didn't have the GUTS to show it


No, not the vampire.... or that guy from Anastasia.


Aaaaaand it's out!


Spoiler: Next Time... (click to see content)
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 30, 2023, 11:57:37 am
I forgot this was out, so might as well put it here now.


Spoiler: Next Time... (click to see content)
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 07, 2023, 01:14:55 am
Things are Gonna Get Weird


"Make sense? Oh, what fun is there in making sense?"


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Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 12, 2023, 05:44:25 am
The battle is out now!


Spoiler: Actual spoilers (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next Time (click to see content)
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Post by: D.R.B on September 26, 2023, 01:17:02 am
Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer



next DB
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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 10, 2023, 12:22:21 am
The latest episode is out now... yeah, kind of figured what the result was, by the way.



Next time...

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Post by: D.R.B on October 10, 2023, 12:55:24 am

Next time...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Seadragon77 on October 23, 2023, 11:53:48 pm
Time for the latest episode and probably one of the most broken ass characters to ever appear in Death Battle... and that's saying a lot!



Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: D.R.B on October 24, 2023, 02:57:48 pm
Time for the latest episode and probably one of the most broken ass characters to ever appear in Death Battle... and that's saying a lot!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FIt6W5HGZA[/youtube]


me before watching the episode: another villain in DB is going to lose to a hero AGAIN!

me after watching:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

next one:
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Post by: Kirishima on October 24, 2023, 06:14:41 pm
Spoiler: Indeed (click to see content)
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 25, 2023, 01:30:02 am
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Post by: Kirishima on November 05, 2023, 04:54:22 am



I'm starting to think this is less of a fight and more of challenge to see who is less likely to die from Kabal's maskless fatality.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 06, 2023, 07:38:17 pm

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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 20, 2023, 07:28:39 pm

Okay, I'm not putting this in fucking spoilers, they're doing Goku VS Superman again after this one. Seriously? They really want to milk this dry because the whiny Dragon Ball fanboys are bitching that Goku lost twice.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on November 21, 2023, 12:17:44 am
Again? At what point do you have to drill it into the head of the Dragon Ball fans that Goku can't beat Superman.

Hell, in the last battle they had back in Season 2, there was going to never be a rematch because now matter how strong Goku can get, Superman can outclass him by an ungodly amount.

As for this last battle - That was kind of fun. I had no idea that Doctor Who was that powerful. Then again, when you face sentient garbage cans hellbent on domination, you have to be strong.
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Post by: Darkflare on November 21, 2023, 02:54:17 am
Goku vs Superman 3 has to be a joke battle...
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Post by: Kirishima on November 21, 2023, 04:27:48 am
On one hand, the last time this happened was around 2015 so a lot has passed and we can now see how much Goku has changed and how he wil stay on par with Superman this go round.

On the other hand, from their own chicken lips, they admit that Superman will always win against whatever adaptation Goku is at so what is even the point in doing it again?

My guess on the actual reason for revisiting is seeing it at a much higher budget than before, even tho any other highly requested match up would really benefit from it.  That has to be it.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 21, 2023, 05:18:45 am
Well, it's a bloodbath in them thar parts and having some guaranteed views and engagement can't hurt them at the next quarterly meeting

Frankly, I predict them figuring out some math that'll give Goku the win just for that reason
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Post by: Kirishima on November 21, 2023, 05:59:46 am
The head booker noted (https://twitter.com/BenBSinger/status/1726673588219203885) that some achievements from DB Heroes (oh boy) and Infinite Frontier would be counted for this go round.

What the fuck is an Infinite Frontier?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 21, 2023, 06:21:32 am
Ah, I see

It's MULTIVERSAL Goku versus MULTIVERSAL Superman
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 21, 2023, 04:15:31 pm
A dork's wet dream.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on December 04, 2023, 11:17:17 pm
The episode has dropped, here you go:



Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: D.R.B on December 18, 2023, 10:41:39 pm
Galactus vs. Unicron


ya, the battle that WAS the most waited but lost hype it seems
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Post by: Kirishima on December 21, 2023, 04:53:32 pm
Spoiler: And the next battle to start Season 11 (click to see content)
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Post by: Knuckles8864 on December 24, 2023, 01:02:11 pm
Spoiler: And the next battle to start Season 11 (click to see content)

Spoiler: Next Battle (click to see content)
Title: Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2024, 01:48:08 pm
So a very quick update.

Recently, the entirety of Rooster Teeth is set to be closed off and among it's works is Death Battle.  The channel itself will still remain open for the time being but future content is still in question.
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Post by: Seadragon77 on March 11, 2024, 10:54:51 pm
I hope the guys at Death Battle were able to get Season 11 done before it hit the fan...
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Post by: Genosan742 on March 17, 2024, 09:15:26 pm
I hope the guys at Death Battle were able to get Season 11 done before it hit the fan...

I have a feeling it won't ever happen. In which case, I will consider permanently ragequitting the internet.