Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 02:15:07 am
Commission from who?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Shadic12 on February 07, 2017, 02:19:22 am
ReixSeiryuu accepted my commissions and this is the second one. There will be more Melty Blood Characters with this style in the future.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 02:20:54 am
What a waste of money.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 02:22:20 am
w o w
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Rtrindade on February 07, 2017, 02:23:03 am
One execent add for my MUGEN ! Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 02:23:37 am
Is he making them for MUGEN? He said before that he doesn't play mugen just ikemen so how will you be sure that the chars going to play right and not crash Mugen or act buggy?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 07, 2017, 02:24:01 am
readme said:
Ryougi Shiki By by ReixSeiryu 02/06/2017 Contact: Mugen Fighters Guild or Discord CVS-U Website: N/A Customized version of Yoko Littner character, for MUGEN 1.0
Good lord.
Also I'm willing to bet he ripped the original author's name out of this too and put his own in with no reference to it.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 02:25:38 am
Is he making them for MUGEN? He said before that he doesn't play mugen just ikemen so how will you be sure that the chars going to play right and not crash Mugen or act buggy?
If it doesn't lag in Ikemen, it definitively wont lag in mugen... As for bugs and shit like that, you check that for yourself.
Edit: Fuck, I miss read the whole message.... I'm gonna cry.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Shadic12 on February 07, 2017, 02:27:19 am
I spoke with him and he said it also works on MUGEN and shouldn't be no problems. I tested her myself for hours playing in mugen and there was no crash or bug that I came across.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 02:28:19 am
I... actually believe that considering he probably just took someone else's character.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 02:28:51 am
Is he making them for MUGEN? He said before that he doesn't play mugen just ikemen so how will you be sure that the chars going to play right and not crash Mugen or act buggy?
If it doesn't lag or crash in Ikemen, it definitively wont lag in mugen... As for bugs and shit like that, you check that for yourself.
Check myself? If I commission for mugen I need that shit working right for mugen.
What's this guy doing that I cant do? What's the prices ill drop anybodys offer by 5 bucks lol
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Shadic12 on February 07, 2017, 02:28:59 am
Ryougi Shiki By by ReixSeiryu 02/06/2017 Contact: Mugen Fighters Guild or Discord CVS-U Website: N/A Customized version of Yoko Littner character, for MUGEN 1.0
Good lord.
Also I'm willing to bet he ripped the original author's name out of this too and put his own in with no reference to it.
Actually that was my mistake.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 02:32:26 am
He could have at least gave credit to NxL for using the small portrait he made for my Ryougi lol
I'm gonna take a look at your SFF, SND, and this one's. This seems all too familiar.
I highly doubt he took a Ryougi and added someone else's portrait to it. It's far more likely he just used the SFF.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kamekaze on February 07, 2017, 02:50:11 am
type moon and or french bread are going to lose their shit about this. The agreement of this being fanart was that we wouldn't sell it. That's the only reason these companies haven't been on peoples asses with C&Ds left and right. I don't think its right but what do I know I only code for a living.
edit: Type moon used to C&D people using their fx/sprites constantly 10 years ago now that i think about it
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 07, 2017, 02:53:56 am
Why the hell are so bent on if he got paid to make or edit a character. Especially jesus you do this shit all the time like your some god of mugen
Rei took someone else's work, made minimal changes and took money for it, removed all mention of the original authors, and claimed it was his own.. If you can't tell how that's morally bankrupt as all fucking hell, then I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Shadic12 on February 07, 2017, 03:08:24 am
Well only the characters that he made or edited which is probably going to be awhile, but the commissions are the first priorities to get updated.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 03:09:02 am
Why the hell are so bent on if he got paid to make or edit a character. Especially jesus you do this shit all the time like your some god of mugen
Well, editing is kind of a slippery slope. It depends on how much work was actually put into the edit. It's not really cool to take someone else's work and make tweaks then turn around and sell it.
But I don't know how much was edited and I don't know how much he was paid to edit the character. None the less, out of all this the obvious questionable act is the fact that there is no mention of the person that made the original character.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: The Answer on February 07, 2017, 03:09:18 am
you got scammed bro.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Shadic12 on February 07, 2017, 03:13:33 am
I only paid him $10 for the commission so it wasn't alot of money.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kamekaze on February 07, 2017, 03:15:39 am
you over paid by 9.99 brah
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Darkflare on February 07, 2017, 03:20:00 am
Nah, Rei should have paid him for this hack job
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: GT on February 07, 2017, 03:22:00 am
There's some wacky stuff going on in the debug log. (Negative animelem?) (http://i.imgur.com/H2Uo6lo.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/rVns4pf.png) :S
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 03:26:58 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Qqu3Xzr.png)
wow
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kohaku~★ on February 07, 2017, 03:27:31 am
Wow, I honestly didn't know he used my character. I just thought he took the portrait and thought nothing else. While I am disappointed he didn't credit me, it's just upsetting to know this will probably continue to happen from him especially after how Gill explained it.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Dissidia on February 07, 2017, 03:29:25 am
Wow, I honestly didn't know he used my character. I just thought he took the portrait and thought nothing else. While I am disappointed he didn't credit me, it's just upsetting to know this will probably continue to happen from him especially after how Gill explained it.
So does Shadic owe you money or does Rei owe you a cut?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kohaku~★ on February 07, 2017, 03:39:43 am
They can keep it, I'm certainly not going to flip my lid for just $10. But again, just credit would have been nice.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 03:50:39 am
Look at the sff, it isn't yours also http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Melty_Blood/Shiki_Ryougi/Crescent_Moon You didn't create these. The small port is by YoungKirei & Take.K CS'd by me. Looking at the sff clearly look at the amount of sprites, and that I manually cs'd myself.
Infinite himself knows I use his template, but why does that matter? All the characters on this forum edits & non edits why are you guys going out of your way for me? To do what? Am I the first to do any of what you claim? Or is it personal? Why am I getting an in-depth analysis? Also quite a bit bashing going on, even called a "bitch" for what exactly? Yet the mods said & do nothing, yet IF I do start talking shit everyone will then find the need to join it. I committed a crime right? No its not even about that. Taking shit for the sake of talking shit so now you all can see. I haven't said one word Everything I do is based on Infinite's stuff when did I ever denie that? Which is why I kept his name in there. Again why does that matter, there some law against it? He sure didn't seem to mind. It doesn't matter what it is, the moment my name was said you saw what happened. Now the rest of you users can see for yourself if you hadn't already how things go around here.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 03:55:18 am
You're not the 1st person to get paid to make an edit. And not the 1st person to be insulted for doing such.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 07, 2017, 03:56:39 am
Soooooooooooo you basically blow off the fact that you edited someone else's work FOR PROFIT AND ERASED THE ORIGINAL CREATOR'S NAME to basically claim you made the portraits and implied everything else.
Give me a reason to not think you're complete scum.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 03:57:28 am
All the characters on this forum edits & non edits why are you guys going out of your way for me? To do what? Am I the first to do any of what you claim?
take other people's work and charge for it? you're the first since "my huge butt" in that regards
He sure didn't seem to mind. It doesn't matter what it is, the moment my name was said you saw what happened. Now the rest of you users can see for yourself if you hadn't already how things go around here.
I don't give a flying fuck if it was you or Phantom.of.the.Server or Ikaruga or wlanmaniax or The None or Ahuron or Jango or anyone else I can give a shoutout to right now, what you did is fucking wrong. admit it.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 04:00:37 am
I kinda knew that this was gonna happen eventually...
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 04:03:23 am
i don't care about the quality of the character, that's all subjective, however, what does irk me is the payment and the credits issue.
i don't know if shadic paid for the character itself or the TIME to make the character itself, it's still quite the blur and if it its the former than that is what i have an issue with.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 07, 2017, 04:04:23 am
what about characters with original sprite sheets like this one: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/yoko-178392.0.html original character was coded by warusaki3 and sprites where made by... don't remember his name but i'm going to take a shot in the dark and say... kobo?
which apparenlty is a mix of warusaki3's character redcoded using another character by infinite (the readme that comes with the character seems to be from krauser)
look, basically you can edit whatever you want as long as you give credit (just don't expect everyone to like it) and you can also take comission (i don't know or care about the ruels behind this) but the part that makes people jump the gun on you is the removal of the original author's name to be replaced with yours
tl;dr: do whatever edits you want but don't claim them as your own.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 04:06:13 am
The Yoko situation is even worse, yes, considering Warusaki commissioned those sprites himself from Kabao, and again, did pretty much all the work.
Didn't want to post in that one because people would probably just say I have a bias for Warusaki3 or something.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:06:21 am
You ride my dick so hard it's funny. You don't care, you just wanna talk shit. You are an asshole. I'm not like everybody else I'm not phased by you. I charge someone for it? So that's really your point in all this, yet all over this forum it says "Don't request things unless you pay someone to do it for you" I didn't approach anyone with a gun to their head, I didn't force anyone? Pick and choose what you are bothered by. You lame Af. Look at all my posts and you'll be there haha. Right
Also stop telling me to credit something I did for someone in private, I didnt release anything, I did what I was asked.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 07, 2017, 04:07:36 am
even if it was private there was no real reson to remove the original author's name
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 04:09:45 am
Are you fucking serious, my dude?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 04:13:03 am
I don't know what he did with Yoko, and he should have kept the names of the authors he used materials from. But to play devils advocate he said he CS'd this char and the commissioner paid only $10
That part actually doesn't sound so bad.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 04:14:57 am
You ride my dick so hard it's funny. You don't care, you just wanna talk shit. You are an asshole. I'm not like everybody else I'm not phased by you. I charge someone for it? So that's really your point in all this, yet all over this forum it says "Don't request things unless you pay someone to do it for you" I didn't approach anyone with a gun to their head, I didn't force anyone? Pick and choose what you are bothered by. You lame Af. Look at all my posts and you'll be there haha. Right
Also stop telling me to credit something I did for someone in private, I didnt release anything, I did what I was asked.
bruh, you could've defended yourself with valid points like the fact you cs'ed her yourself with other points and look less sketchy as a result, but nah, you decided to drop all pretenses and say "fuck yall fuckbois i can do what i want" :/
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:16:32 am
Look I'm talking to Jesuszilla not you. So now we can't do that? All of a sudden? You are just riding coattails. That's all you do "Walruslui"
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 04:17:30 am
You don't get to decide whether or not people are allowed to respond to your posts. It's a forum. Free and open discussion is kind of the entire point.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:18:18 am
Okay and what about everything else that was said? What do you have to say about that?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 04:18:45 am
Look I'm talking to Jesuszilla not you. So now we can't do that? All of a sudden? You are just riding coattails. That's all you do "Walruslui"
:/ uh, this is a public forum. i can put in input as i see fit.
hell, i didn't even insult you as a person, or anything like that, just pointed out the fact you could have defended yourself better
obviously i paraphrased, but that paraphrase sums up the entire attitude of that kind of response to jz.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on February 07, 2017, 04:22:30 am
Tested Shiki and also Yoko. They have the same damn problem of the other Rei's chars (not the ones that you guys showed, but other that really pissed me off). And yes, i'll talk about the "not giving credits" thing too.
Rei sadly still using the codes from an older version of Shiyo's add004 in your chars, that's why they didn't work well in the new version of add004. And it gets worse when you restore and configure with the codes of the new add004, cause the moves, especially the Special moves got messed up. And it gets EVEN worse when you trying in normal MUGEN without the add004 things.
Some things that i suggest to you Rei: - Did your edits without using the old add004 codes.
- Following this, improve yourself. If someone made a comission for you doing a char, trying give your best even if it takes time to do that.
Don't take other people's shit, change a few sounds and sparks, and sell it as "your work."
Seriously Rei, just give the credits to the original author as i did when i do my edits, geez. Is it hard to do that? It's funny that you started to do that after the "release" of your edit of JFCT555's Kensou cause before that, you always gave credits and you didn't retire the original author's name to put yours.
Not to mention that once again, this Rei's edit is very incomplete, like many others.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 04:24:48 am
the add004 thing is easily solvable by removing the add004-specific coding in the -2, -3 and the other states that use them. they're usually easy to point out due to the japanese language used in them plus shiyo's signature way of how he arranges coding neatly.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 04:24:48 am
Okay and what about everything else that was said? What do you have to say about that?
I'm not sure whether you're referring to JZ or Walruslui here but neither of those dudes stole someone else's character and charged for it, so their naughty language is pretty low on the list of priorities here.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:29:26 am
This was made for the user, not the public. He uses the same add004, so that is not valid. I am not obligated to doing anything for anyone else. I did not release any characters argue what you will all you want. As you said, I normally credit/when I "release" a character. Sprites were open source last time I heard, yet now of all times you wanna get offended by it. So I'm "stealing" listen to this shit.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 04:29:54 am
I don't know what he did with Yoko, and he should have kept the names of the authors he used materials from. But to play devils advocate he said he CS'd this char and the commissioner paid only $10
That part actually doesn't sound so bad.
it doesn't, though he still could've credited Kohaku and whoever else had a part in making this; it also would've helped (as Walruslui said) if he actually responded to any other points instead of pulling the "haters gonna hate" card for the 60th time anyone's posted anything other than praise in his threads.
You ride my dick so hard it's funny. You don't care, you just wanna talk shit. You are an asshole. I'm not like everybody else I'm not phased by you.
I'll ride your dick again for $10. I'll even CS it.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
no I won't, I'll just get those other people who circlejerk with you and get GhostKiller to do the CS in less than 2 hours and claim I did
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:31:31 am
Yes find something better to do God. Also it's not haters gonna hate. It's you. You went all in right to find the same sff as Kohaku right, you literally looked through it hard to find something that was similar. You had that extra time to go out of your way to try to prove a point for someone you shouldn't even give a fuck about. Look at your posts, even when you so call are being polite. "This isn't as bad as 90% of the shit on this forum." You obviously are triggered so just fucking ignore me like a real ass man. Yet noo you wanna stir shit up, but you can because no one is going to say shit to you.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: TheFclass97 on February 07, 2017, 04:34:43 am
I'm not sure why you think that makes it OK to take someone else's SFF and portions of their code and charge for it.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Zemilia on February 07, 2017, 04:45:56 am
Alright, that's enough already. Just when I thought things kinda died down, suddenly a certain someone wants to edit his own post just to produce more spark to the fire.
I understand that what Rei did was wrong (seriously wrong). I understand this whole debacle of why you should always credit someone, even if you're editing his/her work. This does not mean going in and start talking down in front of each others faces on what's right, what's wrong, dick riding someone, etc.
From this point on, if you have anything to say about the char (be it feedback or whatnot), so be it. Any more sparks and those will get burned out. Immediately.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:50:10 am
Okay so you are telling me that I did not make that sff, which I did & CS'd it. Second you keep saying I'm "charging" someone when they are the one that offered. You don't know all the details and I shouldn't even have to explain & this would not normally matter to anyone, because no one even really gives a fuck. So you are now making this public announcement that we can't use "code" thought of by someone else. If we do not create a code from scratch we cannot use it, it's stealing. Doesn't matter if Infinite himself is fine by it. It's theft that about right?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Duos.act on February 07, 2017, 04:51:31 am
If it was made for Shadic and not the public, did you ask him not to post the edit here? I think you should have. Once it's out on the internet it's anyone's game.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:53:45 am
I didn't even know until after the fact, but it's no point. It's not about what it is, it's about who did it. Read on back and it's plain as day.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on February 07, 2017, 04:53:56 am
@Zemilia Just let me tell one more post and i'll stop here okay.
the add004 thing is easily solvable by removing the add004-specific coding in the -2, -3 and the other states that use them. they're usually easy to point out due to the japanese language used in them plus shiyo's signature way of how he arranges coding neatly.
But in case if you trying to configure/update to the add004's new version, they got totally messed.
No Rei, he's not. Shiyo recently updated all the coding stuff of the add004 and also did a Winmugen version of it. That's why when i triyng to use your edits in the new version, it doesn't work.
I am not obligated to doing anything for anyone else. I did not release any characters argue what you will all you want.
Basically you just did your edits as you want (many of the times, incomplete) even when someone wanted to help you with feedbacks. So once again i asked you, why are you release them?
As you said, I normally credit/when I "release" a character. Sprites were open source last time I heard, yet now of all times you wanna get offended by it. So I'm "stealing" listen to this shit.
But not after you release your edit of JFCT555's Kensou as i said in my post. And yes, generally sprites are open source, but you ALWAYS had to give credits to the original author, not "normally". It's a matter of respect with the dude that spend the time doing the char. And no one here is offending you Rei, they just telling you the truth about not giving credits, because this is really a bad move. It's just like that you did all the whole stuff, not the original author.
Trust me, i doing this one freaking time very long time ago, in the very beginning of my involvement with MUGEN and i learned the lesson. It's time to you learn the lesson too Rei.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Zemilia on February 07, 2017, 04:55:10 am
Alright, fine. But this is as far as it goes.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 04:57:52 am
Zemillia, let it go for a bit. It needs to come to a resolution. It's calming down.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 04:58:49 am
Look Gui I understand that, I really do, but for example the Jotaro thing I started and gave up on, share do it because I was asked, none read the first post and look how well that went. Same thing here, you aren't reading everything you are coming in at certain intervals to add onto what someone else previously said. If you had read all of that you wouldn't even being saying what you are saying.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 05:05:41 am
i don't know if shadic paid for the character itself or the TIME to make the character itself, it's still quite the blur and if it its the former than that is what i have an issue with.
so, is there any clarification for this?
you have outright stated before "i will not make characters i don't want to unless you pay/commission me" so im trying to figure out if you charged shadic for the time to make this character or if youre charging for the character itself
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:06:36 am
Why does it matter?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 05:06:51 am
+char apparently wasn't meant to be public +he cs'd the sprites +commission was only $10
-lack of communication so he didn't consider crediting -once again blaming others for his issues. I really wish Rei could understand why some people don't let him slide as much
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:07:55 am
You I once thought you were fair, I was clearly wrong if that is your synopsis. You basically have solidified the fact that bashing is okay. That's cool I guess same as always. All the disrespect that came with those pros, yet I'm blaming everyone for something right? So the person that starting this was yet again me. This place is too personal for my tastes.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kohaku~★ on February 07, 2017, 05:09:31 am
I know this almost all said and done, but I just wanted to post this. That is actually the portrait made by NxL for my Ryogi. I happen to have that version of Ryougi you mentioned and this is the small portrait it uses:
(http://i.imgur.com/B3mRxCN.png)
and mine:
(http://i.imgur.com/Dc8eNqo.png)
All I'm saying is give credit where credit is due. None of this would happen if you took 5 seconds to type a name in the read me.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 05:11:56 am
because im trying to clarify if this is a "proper" commission similar to sprite commissions in where you pay for the time itself. i don't even see how you can ask "why does it matter"? it would make you look alot better if you actually clarified if its a proper commission instead of assuming that im asking for the sake of trying to trigger you.
it matters because if you charged for the character itself, it's illegal. this isn't something out of pride or trying to hate, this is a legal thing. im not bashing you as a person, im not calling you the retard of mugen or whatever bullshit, im probably the least hostile out of all the responses here and am trying to provide you some clear responses for yourself but instead you're just assuming im just bashing you randomly without any thought put into it. again.
there were so many opportunities for you to back yourself up and have some ground, me trying to clarify whether or not you charged for the time or the character itself wouldve helped you immensley, but no, again you chose the passive-aggressive response. cmon now.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on February 07, 2017, 05:12:48 am
You I once thought you were fair, I was clearly wrong if that is your synopsis. You basically have solidified the fact that bashing is okay. That's cool I guess same as always. All the disrespect that came with those pros, yet I'm blaming everyone for something right? So the person that starting this was yet again me. This place is too personal for my tastes.
So, pointing out your flaws is bashing? You clearly don't know how to handle criticism or when you're being called out on your actions.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:13:48 am
I know this almost all said and done, but I just wanted to post this. That is actually the portrait made by NxL for my Ryogi. I happen to have that version of Ryougi you mentioned and this is the small portrait it uses:
(http://i.imgur.com/B3mRxCN.png)
and mine:
(http://i.imgur.com/Dc8eNqo.png)
All I'm saying is give credit where credit is due. None of this would happen if you took 5 seconds to type a name in the read me.
If you could also read up, also I CS'd that small port myself. I did not get it from your character.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kohaku~★ on February 07, 2017, 05:15:20 am
I know you CS'd it, but you also said you took that portrait from Young Kirei's/Take's Ryougi and yet you see it right here that they look nothing alike...
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:15:57 am
You I once thought you were fair, I was clearly wrong if that is your synopsis. You basically have solidified the fact that bashing is okay. That's cool I guess same as always. All the disrespect that came with those pros, yet I'm blaming everyone for something right? So the person that starting this was yet again me. This place is too personal for my tastes.
So, pointing out your flaws is bashing? You clearly don't know how to handle criticism or when you're being called out on your actions.
Read what you just said. A character is posted, yet the focus are my flaws? Great logic
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 05:17:15 am
You I once thought you were fair, I was clearly wrong if that is your synopsis. You basically have solidified the fact that bashing is okay. That's cool I guess same as always. All the disrespect that came with those pros, yet I'm blaming everyone for something right? So the person that starting this was yet again me. This place is too personal for my tastes.
My god dude, listen to yourself. Take a step back from all this and try and look at it from another angle. Your posts are very dismissive and abrasive, that (naturally) sets people off.
There isn't some vast, evil conspiracy out to get you.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:21:20 am
Jmorphman. How did this start? I hadn't even said anything until some time. "Dismissive and abrasive" Just say you shouldn't defend yourself already. I said nothing wrong, I didn't disrespect anybody. You legit just said its not a priority what was said to me or about me. I'm going to try it out & see what happens. See now I am being difficult. So remember what you just said, what I say sets people off. So look at the first page to contradict yourself.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 05:23:27 am
You need to understand the context of this situation, because I'm not sure that you actually do. People didn't come in here blind to insult you for no reason.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:25:38 am
It doesn't matter what the reason is. You are saying its okay with good reason, that what you don't get. Then you go on about what I say. So we either choose our words wisely or we don't. It either applies to everyone or it doesn't.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 05:32:40 am
You are saying its okay with good reason, that what you don't get. Then you go on about what I say. So we either choose our words wisely or we don't. It either applies to everyone or it doesn't.
Well gosh, I guess I could start talking about how Speedpreacher immediately jumped into this topic to try and keep things from getting out of hand and too inflammatory, or how Zemilia jumped in to remind everyone to keep things civil and to try and stay on topic, or even how in the grand scheme of things, the inflammatory stuff posted wasn't deserving of any more moderation intervention than had already been dealt, given the fact that everyone was reacting to some pretty blatant theft.
But that's probably all gonna fall on deaf ears, so why bother? Instead, lemme try another approach: in the future, if you feel like you're being attacked unfairly, report it. Don't make snide replies to the posts, just report them, and move on.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 05:51:32 am
Coming from the same guy himself whom told me directly as well as anyone else who posts anything publicly it's open source. The same forum in fact that says it's a sign of respect, but not mandotaory & the very same that acknowledges that I didn't even make the damn readme and it's even said on earlier pages. Alright. Theft it is.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 05:58:33 am
That wouldn't have been a problem, as can bee plainly seen by the numerous characters and stages made from open-source materials. It wouldn't have been a problem if this was made for free,
But it wasn't.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 06:01:10 am
Then there you go with that again. You outta just make that a new rule then. As if I legit forced someone to ask me to do them a favor. Thanks for letting this be known. So I shouldn't see anywhere on this forum saying that it's okay as you don't condone it.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: DW on February 07, 2017, 06:02:05 am
Bruh...
To be 100, everything he does is just an edit of someone else's stuff. It's shouldn't really come as a surprise. The overall thing is this guy paid him, even if it was only $10, to do something he would have put in his compilation game anyway. Prolly already there and was just like "here you go!" lol. The hustle is real.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 06:04:52 am
It doesn't matter what I do, why should that matter to you? Why do you care? Exactly. Why are you giving me so much priority. I'm the first one to ever edit a character. Your shit is all original? Rightttt it is. You didn't take anything from anyone. Im just saying this shit is no longer even about mugen, you have an issue with me then don't even bother with me, yet you just want to get a word in.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: DW on February 07, 2017, 06:10:31 am
I reference stuff, yes. Though it isn't anyone's char just put into another template. I don't care what you do bruh. Don't get it twisted. I'm actually speaking on your behalf whether you believe it or not. I rarely even comment on anything involving you, because you think FAR too highly of yourself. MC2, JZ, and Niitris all showed that some months back. I'm saying that no one should care, because this is expected. Whether you got paid for it or not. I do believe that this a bit blown outta proportion. I have no opinion of you one way or the other.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 06:15:35 am
Alright so I just put another character in the template and called it a day. Whatever you say, there really is not point in going on about it. It really doesn't even matter. It's just the principle that in gets personal way too fast for something that supposed to be a hobby, but that's how mugenguild is for ya, or certain individuals.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Kohaku~★ on February 07, 2017, 06:15:55 am
Are you going to ignore me and not elaborate any further with the portrait?
You know what? I don't care about the portrait anymore. I'm not even mad about that. It's one thing not to credit, but it's another to lie and change your story once you get caught instead of outright admitting it. I haven't been tilted regarding someone in the community for almost a decade, so good job on getting me riled up for once.
By the way, here's a tip for next time: I'm open source. You could have taken any of my stuff to use for your works and as long as I saw my name in any form of document regarding that, you wouldn't have heard a single peep from me, let alone the entire forum.
Whatever, I'm done here.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 06:18:11 am
hes always gonna ignore people that try to get him to clarify on anything clearly like how i tried to have him clarify on the commission thing, which i will say again could have made him look much less worse than he is now. dont bother. he's gone way more off the rails then ever and well, it's just not worth bothering anymore. it's almost a meme at this point
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 06:19:51 am
Are you going to ignore me and not elaborate any further with the portrait?
You know what? I don't care about the portrait anymore. I'm not even mad about that. It's one thing not to credit, but it's another to lie and change your story once you get caught instead of outright admitting it. I haven't been tilted regarding someone in the community for almost a decade, so good job on getting me riled up for once.
By the way, here's a tip for next time: I'm open source. You could have taken any of my stuff to use for your works and as long as I saw my name in any form of document regarding that, you wouldn't have heard a single peep from me, let alone the entire forum.
Whatever, I'm done here.
Listen here I keep telling you, I did not make the read me! And that's not even the same port in the version I have!! You mean to literally tell me you are pissed about something you truly don't care about. Oh my god. Download it from Mugen free for all and see for yourself!!
Walwhatever the fuck your name is, it wasn't long ago you were trying to be cool with me, you are fake af. If you truly feel that way then just ignore me then I won't have to say anything to you or vice versa
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 06:21:31 am
Why the fuck should anyone believe you? You haven't said a single damn thing that would make anyone trust you.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 06:23:09 am
I dunno if you missed out completely on the MUGEN Archive stuff, but we've banned that entire site for almost the exact same thing people are mad at you for right now. Granted, there was a lot more going on there than just charging someone money for other people's work (they were spreading malware while doing so), but that played a major factor into the decision to ban that site. There isn't an official rule against it because it's one of those things pretty fucking obvious. The kind of thing you learn in grade school: don't steal other people's stuff.
You are free to believe whatever lurid conspiracies about me, or the rest of the staff, or the rest of the community, that you want. I don't think there's much value in trying to convince you that there is not, in fact, some elaborate vendetta against you that is somehow shared by everyone posting in this thread. But I will again suggest that you take a break from all this, close the forum and do something else for a few hours; and that in the future, you report posts you feel are out of line, and try not to get down in the mud with them by replying to each and every one of them.
As if I legit forced someone to ask me to do them a favor.
I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up because you still charged money for it. That is the key here. Shadic didn't put a gun to your head and force you to make this character and to also accept money for it.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 06:25:27 am
As I said make it clear you don't condone that here then. Because I've seen it various times. Also get this clear I don't care what anyone says about me, it's not about me. It's he simple fact that certain peephole can say whatever the hell they want. I shouldn't have to go out of my way for something as plain as day. You condone this, so that's all there is to it.
Also this is a mugen forum why should you even be concerned about trusting someone you don't even know. The guy even said it himself on the first page. 1st page 12th post? Funny how that was said yet the argument about credit got this far.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 06:35:32 am
Also this is a mugen forum why should you even be concerned about trusting someone you don't even know.
You see, this is why your dumbass will never fucking get it.
It's also a community of people who enjoy fighting games in some way, shape, or form. Or in short, people communicate with each other. You're taking things with no regard for the people who did the work, or how they were able to do it in the first place. You're just some entitled brat who just wants things because "it's about fun, nothing else matters right?"
Reality check: it ain't as simple as doing whatever you want. It's called having an iota of respect. If you can't understand that, then maybe you should leave and never come back.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on February 07, 2017, 06:40:34 am
Also this is a mugen forum why should you even be concerned about trusting someone you don't even know. The guy even said it himself on the first page.
See, this is why people dislike you, but keep dodging the bullets.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 06:41:57 am
It doesn't matter. If you feel some type of way about someone then ignore them. Say what you will you don't know me, & watch someone try to compare this to saying "fuck everyone". As reasonable as you are you didn't even read everything yourself so don't even. I didn't take anything from anyone, I did something for someone in private that they wanted! That they shared because they wanted to. Without my knowing. Communication? You mean how the very first posts after my name was said was not disrespect? With no reason? Even before the character was downloaded? Right right
Listen you above me. Are you concerned about every stranger you walk past daily? Your logic though. How is this any different. Why would anyone whom is not your friend whic I am not be concerned with you at all? You have no sense
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 07:02:17 am
Okay ive just read through the whole thread. I dont see anything about the character itself. Just a buncha nitpicking. These are what i see and understand. Shadic wanted this character with those game mechanics. Unable to do so himself it was worth it to him to pay someone to edit for him in private. He. Wanting to share what he paid for so no one would have to be without this character in this style like he was. Opened a pandoras box. Because it didnt have proper credit given. Why would it. Im assuming he picked a character from his collection and asked rei to do his thing. Rather than take any credit at all since he didnt think it would leave shadics personal game. Rei didnt bother with crediting anyone even himself. Why would he? I wouldnt. Hell i didnt release any sort of info about the color separations ive done. If its a matter of taking payment. Thats a stupid thing to worry about. Because if your scratching your head as to why. Or for what. Its obvious it was for the time and effort to change the character in whatever way that shadic was unwilling or unable to do himself. Or anyone else was willing to do previously in so that shadic could find a version that fit his personal mugen build. . Its that simple. Always was. Like anyone else he got paid for his time. And shadic. Thank you for sharing it. . Over the years ive seen lots of personal edits in screenshots that were never released . Edits i personally would have enjoyed using.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 07:08:50 am
There was someone in earlier post that mentioned he would be willing to take on comission for 5 dollars less. Thats very kind of you. I have a list of characters id like to option you for. I am very serious id be willing i need about 15 to 20 so for sure about 100 bucks. Is coming your way. Heads up. Ill be releasing them in the edits section. Nothing to complicated. No grooves or anything. parry . Just defend. Meter build. Etc. I can supply you with the hi res effects ill need updated as well. Or if you prefer to adapt them to an existing template im sure i cant find one. Re-dit. It was memo . Not bad i used your 3rd strike edits from that 4 button capcom game with the overly flashy effects. But id seen you post a video of you and some girl playing your build. The quality was bad . But it seemed like you or she was using . A filtered hi res . Ash . Was hoping you would have released that. I couldnt find it any where. Also seemed cvs-ish . How much for that How do i tag him so he can respond?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 07:21:16 am
There was someone in earlier post that mentioned he would be willing to take on comission for 5 dollars less. Thats very kind of you. I have a list of characters id like to option you for. I am very serious id be willing i need about 15 to 20 so for sure about 100 bucks. Is coming your way. Heads up. Ill be releasing them in the edits section. Nothing to complicated. No grooves or anything. Just parry . Just defend. Meter build. . I can supply you with the hi res effects ill need updated as well. Or if you prefer to adapt them to an existing template im sure i cant find one.
Haha that's before I found out he was only charging $10.00 No way I'll code characters for $5.00 and you want 20? I was Just joking about that, maybe later once I get my personal Stuff out the way or if the moneys right.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 07:26:55 am
Hey cmon. Then 10 bucks?
The community needs. More cvsish garou characters. Duck king. Mizoguchi.. power instinct. Rage of the dragon. Or really. Samurai showdown. Only have what warusaki 3 made. And sadly he didnt make anyone i use
very well. i wont push it . but if anyone else is willing to do minor edits for say . a handshake. or a thank you . or even 10 bucks. speak now . my birthdays coming up. also . i would like my name added to the credits. as Comissioner. i think that is only fair .
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2017, 08:28:48 am
okay, im actually steamed for once, sorry for the mods but im a bit too riled up from rei's bullshit responses, here goes!
Should've stopped there. Or I guess not posted at all? Anyways, now the whole post is gone.
Don't post shit like that.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 08:29:51 am
yeah, my bad. as someone who was the least hostile to him out of these posters and being one of the guys to try to actually point out on how rei can stand some ground without being unrealistically band-wagoney, being called "fake" admitedlly got to me. wont happen again.
but still, my point stands, stop playing victim rei, its not hard to just say "i fucked up. my bad"
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 08:38:06 am
It was memo . Not bad i used your 3rd strike edits from that 4 button capcom game with the overly flashy effects. But id seen you post a video of you and some girl playing your build. The quality was bad . But it seemed like you or she was using . A filtered hi res . Ash . Was hoping you would have released that. I couldnt find it any where. Also seemed cvs-ish . How much for that How do i tag him so he can respond?
um that wasn't me lol I don't have any 3rd strike edits a filtered ash and I'm not in Any videos playing with a girl dude
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 10:48:51 am
Okay ive just read through the whole thread. I dont see anything about the character itself. Just a buncha nitpicking. These are what i see and understand. Shadic wanted this character with those game mechanics. Unable to do so himself it was worth it to him to pay someone to edit for him in private. He. Wanting to share what he paid for so no one would have to be without this character in this style like he was. Opened a pandoras box. Because it didnt have proper credit given. Why would it. Im assuming he picked a character from his collection and asked rei to do his thing. Rather than take any credit at all since he didnt think it would leave shadics personal game. Rei didnt bother with crediting anyone even himself. Why would he? I wouldnt. Hell i didnt release any sort of info about the color separations ive done. If its a matter of taking payment. Thats a stupid thing to worry about. Because if your scratching your head as to why. Or for what. Its obvious it was for the time and effort to change the character in whatever way that shadic was unwilling or unable to do himself. Or anyone else was willing to do previously in so that shadic could find a version that fit his personal mugen build. . Its that simple. Always was. Like anyone else he got paid for his time. And shadic. Thank you for sharing it. . Over the years ive seen lots of personal edits in screenshots that were never released . Edits i personally would have enjoyed using.
This is a really good post into how this thread fell apart. If there was no context beyond this thread you'd hit the nail on the head. What's missing is the question as to "why? Why did so many automatically assume the worst?" AND "why didn't they calm down once more info was given?"
It's easy to say that everyone responding are just assholes. But the big missing pieces are how Rei has acted for a long time building himself into a person that is overly paranoid, hostile, thinks way too much of himself, and all in all hasn't made himself seem trust worthy or come off as someone people would be sympathetic towards.
I'd already started attempting to diffuse the situation and ppl seemed to be getting a clearer picture when Shadic said it was his fault no one was credited and that he'd only paid $10. When you have an angry mob you don't jump in fighting tooth and nail and insulting them like Rei did.
Focusing on the amount of work he actually did: CSing the char. Explain again that it was lack of communication that he didn't know it'd be shared and offer up an alternative readme that has credit to the authors. Ask Shadic to please update the release with said info and humbly apologize for the confusion.
If he'd done more of those actions and people still bitched then it'd prove they're assholes. But instead he went on another typical Rei tirade. He has made many posts that look similar to his 1st reaction in this thread. While it's understandable he was frustrated here it's still like calling wolf. All the times he blew up in other threads where it wasn't understandable has created this situation for himself.
And that's why I mentioned he never accepts his own personal flaws. He always projects the fault onto others 100%. It's a pattern. I hope this sheds some insight into what happened here.
TLDR: sensitive subject with money for edits and no credit combined with a sensitive overly paranoid creator = many pages of back and forth
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 10:51:48 am
Dammit. Youre right. Sorry Bill. It was gigahertz who edited those fido characters and had a girl with him. .. i saw a girl once you know Damn William. . I dont know that im familiar with your character style.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 11:22:05 am
Just no point. Im familiar with all those points. How he acted How he is perceived. Ive seen edits come and be accepted with a . Not bad. And never get a 3rd post. This was because. Hes got a reputation for not playing well with others. It doesnt change the fact that the moment it was said rei edited it. (Which eclipsed shadics kind gesture of sharing HIS comission) It was picked apart stripped down and everyone got their pitch forks. Check my join date. Ive seen alot of mobs in my day. And for many reasons. My point is. If i could read the thread and get a clear idea of what was going on. So could everyone else. There are creators who i cant stand that people revere. But i dont camp out waiting for a thread to pop up and fan flames. This place is caustic. And i have seen it grow incestuously small over the years. Ive seen rei react to crowds and ive also seen rei offer genuine advice to a kid getting mauled in his own thread . I dont know if your explanation was meant to shed light for me. It hasnt. I would not have commented how i did if didnt know what was going on. Despite that i still chose to read the entire thread. Im glad too. I got to see sides of people i wouldnt have expected
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 11:30:17 am
When the thread began we didn't know how much was spent or what all was edited. All that people were doing was pointed out that money was given for what appeared to have very little new work put in and credit wasn't given. What you say is true too. But you can't rule out the initial red flags that gave opportunities for those that dislike Rei to jump in.
And I find it suspicious that Rei never said anything in the other thread http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/yoko-178392.0.html
There was no clarifications from anyone till a second release and people started fussing more. If it was all about getting a chance to mob Rei the Yoko topic has much better ammo imo
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Trololo on February 07, 2017, 11:49:38 am
Well, I'm kinda agree with "Mob", Rei. You need to be more respectful to other creators. At least just credit someone, whom resourses you used. And a feedback: nice char, but you still got a lot of work to do. For example her "Tripped" state, where she is falling in different way, that lying on the ground after it. And also THIS... Man why didn't you created this super via custom enemy's states? It could only make this move better. And slicing moments themselves. All 3 versions of this move looks stiff JUST because all these three extra hits doesn't feels correctly. Add some shake, sparks and sounds for it. (http://i.imgur.com/n5NZaJb.png) Also this screen contains one suggestion. I think you SHOULD notice one little change this move got.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 11:54:06 am
If you use other people's stuff you should give credit no matter what. Especially if you release things publicly...
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 11:58:26 am
I saw alot disrespectful allusions that shadic is either a fool who over paid. 1000 percent. Which would would imply he was a total fool. Or rei was an exceptionaly deviously skilled conman. . Neither of those ideas has a place in a release thread. Opinions are fine to have. But an insult is not an opinion. If people "know" how someone will react. Doesnt that make them the troll? Ive seen mods come in and crack down in chuchoryus threads. When it turns into flat out insults about what he does. Or how he does it. Even when the insults are about how he himself does not credit the spriters whose work he has altered slightly to use as a base. No. Instead the people attacking get told to cut it out or face a consequence.. that didnt happen here. Just a a lenient. "Ok . Stay on topic" it doeant matter if its rei. Or anyone else. This sort of group mentality drives new people away. . Whether they be authors or users. There is a reason i have only 61 posts in 12 years. My first and second experiences posting where like what i saw in thia thread.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Trololo on February 07, 2017, 12:00:00 pm
If you use other people's stuff you should give credit no matter what. Especially if you release things publicly...
And here is funny part: this char was released by commisioner. Rei didn't upload him directly. It was supposed to be private. But yeah, that's still strange aspect of whole story, see... Why did Rei started to agrue with users, if first man he should yell at is man, who broke one of "Contract Rules"- he released private char withour author's permission.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 12:03:30 pm
If you use other people's stuff you should give credit no matter what. Especially if you release things publicly...
And here is funny part: this char was released by commisioner. Rei didn't upload him directly. It was supposed to be private. But yeah, that's still strange aspect of whole story, see... Why did Rei started to agrue with users, if first man he should yell at is man, who broke one of "Contract Rules"- he released private char withour author's permission.
Nah, I just downloaded his Jotaro that he released and his Vanessa and I didn't see any crediting in them at all...
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Darkflare on February 07, 2017, 01:06:00 pm
The community needs. More cvsish garou characters. Duck king. Mizoguchi.. power instinct. Rage of the dragon. Or really. Samurai showdown. Only have what warusaki 3 made. And sadly he didnt make anyone i use
lol are you serious? This is what the community needs less of. The community is saturated with too much Capcom and SNK. It's rather refreshing when authors like Sennou release characters not from those companies. Would be nice to get out of that comfort zone even if it's for a little while.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 01:37:10 pm
Moreso it'd be nice if the community had more people who care about fighting games enough, to not make loose/clunky, half-assed characters with awkward physics and random velocity values.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Duos.act on February 07, 2017, 01:50:05 pm
I don't think the community "needs" more or less of anything. Nobody should feel obligated to do something they're not passionate about or back out of something they are.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 06:40:37 pm
The community needs. More cvsish garou characters. Duck king. Mizoguchi.. power instinct. Rage of the dragon. Or really. Samurai showdown. Only have what warusaki 3 made. And sadly he didnt make anyone i use
lol are you serious? This is what the community needs less of. The community is saturated with too much Capcom and SNK. It's rather refreshing when authors like Sennou release characters not from those companies. Would be nice to get out of that comfort zone even if it's for a little while.
No man i was not serious. That was me trying to coax memo into joining the darkside for sweatshop wages. Lol. Those features i "requested" can be added using the exmples in the code snippet library.
but hypothetically speaking. If i were to commission or create my own edits in a certain style it would certainly be because the community needed them. As they did not exist in that incarnation previosly. And for the record. What this community needs is a shot in the arm. . Anything to make the transition from user to creator easier. A proper code library for one. Preferably with game feature modules that can be added directly to a character that have credit commented into the code. This way. We know just what type of custom combo system the author is trying to emulate. Instead of "broken. Or lame. Get gud! . Learn to code" he can be told simply "try so and sos A-groove module its more refined" We have less clunk. A more standardized list of mechanics. And the side effects are. module transplants. Since are as isolated as possible. Become visual tutorials.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Duos.act on February 07, 2017, 07:14:53 pm
That kind of does exist actually in the form of Mugen's docs, which even explains how triggers and state controllers work.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 07:16:21 pm
And goes even more in depth in our own MUGEN Class which even tries to explain many game mechanic concepts and how to apply them.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 07:25:44 pm
There's over a decade's worth of material you can use to improve. There are hundreds of threads here that you can learn multiple things from. A dedicated section of the forum for learning the basics. Active users who've been making quality chars for 10+ years. Code snippets that are open to everyone. Google and youtube exist. Easy access to emulators so that you can compare your stuff to the real thing. Making good chars is the easiest it's ever been, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.
I'm deeply sorry it's not what you wanna hear, but if you feel you can't make even decent characters in this time, you're not trying hard enough. I really don't know any other way to put it. All the resources in the world will only get you so far. At the end of the day, you have to put the effort to learn.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on February 07, 2017, 07:32:16 pm
Nah, I just downloaded his Jotaro that he released and his Vanessa and I didn't see any crediting in them at all...
Yep, he didn't credit Zero-Sennin for Vanessa and he also didn't credit JFCT555 for Kensou.
And the community needs GOOD CvS-ish characters like some guys doing nowadays, not incomplete or poorly chars.
For example, hairline733 released Heavy D! in this style and he still improving him via feedback. Is that so hard to improve yourself and accept feedbacks?
And is that so hard give the proper credits to the author and not being disrespectful with the original author and also with the people that said that this totally wrong? Geez.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 07:35:47 pm
What's good and bad is an opinion. You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all & this was even said in that other thread. As a more clear example being, you have more experience, more knowledge on any one specific thing. You don't dictate what has, or should be done. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. You talk from your level of experience, each self proclaimed. You have to separate personal gripes, which does not happen often. Still there are no rules that apply to anything created & it doesn't have to be a certain way to "fit" into the criteria which you personally feel is "good"
Nah, I just downloaded his Jotaro that he released and his Vanessa and I didn't see any crediting in them at all...
Yep, he didn't credit Zero-Sennin for Vanessa and he also didn't credit JFCT555 for Kensou.
And the community needs GOOD CvS-ish characters like some guys doing nowadays, not incomplete or poorly chars.
For example, hairline733 released Heavy D! in this style and he still improving him via feedback. Is that so hard to improve yourself and accept feedbacks?
And is that so hard give the proper credits to the author and not being disrespectful with the original author and also with the people that said that this totally wrong? Geez.
Try reading that read me again, false information you are projecting. Also try asking, I have my own database which is why I don't usually have read-mes. Everything is documented. Just as much I don't make clear, you assume.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 07:45:41 pm
What's good and bad is an opinion. You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all & this was even said in that other thread.
Irony
Can you find where I said that?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: PRØJECT.13 on February 07, 2017, 07:46:02 pm
What's good and bad is an opinion. You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all
Yeah, I've been lurkreading this thread and no one has said that. Also, "good and bad" is most certainly not an opinion unless you're talking about in the sense of quality and not morality. You don't seem to understand the fact that what you did was take numerous people's code, which I can only assume that they themselves have organized and done on their own and instead claimed it as your own, which is bad.
Using things made by other people and giving them proper credit, even if it is open source, that is good.
Taking things made by other people, not crediting them and taking full credit for the fact that they exist, which is stealing, that is bad.
That isn't an opinion, that's a bleeding fact.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 07:50:29 pm
"Also, "good and bad" is most certainly not an opinion unless you're talking about in the sense of quality" You didn't even read what I said.
Okay basically have to ignore everything else to point this out. So did you even read what was said? Yes stole everything.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
- JFCT555/119way/Juanxoc for code & characters I used as a base - Varo_Hades for his color separation - JFCT555 for custom sprites - HadeS for his super finish fonts & Lvl3 ports - P.o.t.S./Infinite for code, effects, hitsparks, formatting style. - The MUGEN Fighters Guild for providing hosting. - Elecbyte for M.U.G.E.N.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on February 07, 2017, 07:51:58 pm
You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all
No it's not, it's a matter of improve your skills, try to do your best in every single MUGEN work or edit you did and not to give up in the middle. Because generally people want to see well-made MUGEN works, especially about CvS-ish characters. People are pissed to see so many bad or incomplete CvS-ish characters and there are a lot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QN322eSgE) of examples (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArfaOBBjvvk) around (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_lrg-7Qxbw).
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 07:52:51 pm
What's good and bad is an opinion. You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all
Yeah, I've been lurkreading this thread and no one has said that. Also, "good and bad" is most certainly not an opinion unless you're talking about in the sense of quality and not morality. You don't seem to understand the fact that what you did was take numerous people's code, which I can only assume that they themselves have organized and done on their own and instead claimed it as your own, which is bad.
Using things made by other people and giving them proper credit, even if it is open source, that is good.
Taking things made by other people, not crediting them and taking full credit for the fact that they exist, which is stealing, that is bad.
That isn't an opinion, that's a bleeding fact.
Read post by guy who wants 5$ dollar characters, its not credited because It was private it wasn't ment to be released so no credit was added to the Read me or nothing because nobody was ment to read it anyway
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 07:58:35 pm
Okay basically have to ignore everything else to point this out.
Of course you'll ignore everything else because all you know how to do is throw baseless accusations but refuse to give proof when you're called out on it.
Again, find where I said "people shouldn't make characters if they can't do it right."
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 07:59:07 pm
You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all
not to give up in the middle. Because generally people want to see well-made MUGEN worksaround (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_lrg-7Qxbw).
This really has no base to be honest. If I don't want to do something why should I? That particular thing, I wanted to try to do something new got bored of it, shared it, because even though I said it was incomplete they still wanted it. Then you say "why share it in the first place" Right just become a private is what you suggest. You never read anything in that thread I said to you & you still don't. You also disregarded the fact that you just explicitly said there was no read me in Kensou & I didn't credit anyone etc. This adds to the whole, anyone coming in new to the conversation they see this and base what they'll say on this.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 07:59:32 pm
Okay basically have to ignore everything else to point this out.
Of course you'll ignore everything else because all you know how to do is throw baseless accusations but refuse to give proof when you're called out on it.
Again, find where I said "people shouldn't make characters if they can't do it right."
When and where was I talking to you? Did I quote you or something? Personal? You are talking on what perception you have of me. Okay. Which is why I don't even acknowledge to say anything to you. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 08:02:25 pm
Again, its a public forum. You cant shut people down from putting your input soooooo dont even try with the whole "was i talking to you?" shit because you have literally no power to stop anyone else from inputting
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 08:03:01 pm
You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all
not to give up in the middle. Because generally people want to see well-made MUGEN worksaround (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_lrg-7Qxbw).
This really has no base to be honest. If I don't want to do something why should I? That particular thing, I wanted to try to do something new got bored of it, shared it, because even though I said it was incomplete they still wanted it. Then you say "why share it in the first place" Right just become a private is what you suggest. You never read anything in that thread I said to you & you still don't. You also disregarded the fact that you just explicitly said there was no read me in Kensou & I didn't credit anyone etc. This adds to the whole, anyone coming in new to the conversation they see this and base what they'll say on this.
Again, its a public forum. You cant shut people down from putting your input soooooo dont even try with the whole "was i talking to you?" shit because you have literally no power to stop anyone else from inputting
No one is stopping anyone from saying anything, if I'm not talking to you why do I have to explain anything to you. You just come in to a conversation to add what? Just like the guy who is steady insulting solving what exactly? Who would care about opinions like that? Once it gets too personal it no longer holds any weight. I don't have power to stop anyone from inputting than in the same light I don't have to acknowledge everyone who has something to say.
You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all
not to give up in the middle. Because generally people want to see well-made MUGEN worksaround (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_lrg-7Qxbw).
This really has no base to be honest. If I don't want to do something why should I? That particular thing, I wanted to try to do something new got bored of it, shared it, because even though I said it was incomplete they still wanted it. Then you say "why share it in the first place" Right just become a private is what you suggest. You never read anything in that thread I said to you & you still don't. You also disregarded the fact that you just explicitly said there was no read me in Kensou & I didn't credit anyone etc. This adds to the whole, anyone coming in new to the conversation they see this and base what they'll say on this.
Nah, I just downloaded his Jotaro that he released and his Vanessa and I didn't see any crediting in them at all...
Jotaro a character I never finished that has no read-me, character I never finished, no read me Vanessa whom has its on credit file in the data base, has its own credit in the database. To each is own. This was brought up only just now right. None seemed to care then, yet now this serves as evidence.
Also guy who just posted get it all out. Don't really care what you are saying as its the same ol' thing.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 08:14:18 pm
Cool, now learn to shut the fuck up when no one is talking about you. My post was directed at the new guy about Mugen's accessibility. No one asked you for your false paraphrasing. :)
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 08:20:53 pm
Nah, I just downloaded his Jotaro that he released and his Vanessa and I didn't see any crediting in them at all...
Jotaro a character I never finished that has no read-me, character I never finished, no read me Vanessa whom has its on credit file in the data base, has its own credit in the database. To each is own. This was brought up only just now right. None seemed to care then, yet now this serves as evidence.
Also guy who just posted get it all out. Don't really care what you are saying as its the same ol' thing.
I'm just now getting a chance to download some of your stuff this morning. I was told by a few people that you were taking some other peoples stuff and totally taking them out of the creation process for a few months now though. I just think if you release something is released publicly you should give credit to the people who helped bring these things together. Even when I was releasing shitty edits, I gave credit...What Data base?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 08:23:33 pm
Okay. Also if you want to know ask me personally/privately I have my own credits in the "shitty compilation" I'm working on. The situation has since been resolved, only personal gripes now. Also for the one's I actually made read-mes for the credits are there. I only recently stopped making them when I was told I could just input everything in one file. Movelists through the engine itself etc.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 08:26:26 pm
What's good and bad is an opinion. You are basically saying if you can't do something right(right in your opinion) don't do it at all & this was even said in that other thread.
Irony
Can you find where I said that?
Here. It was right here. "'m deeply sorry it's not what you wanna hear, but if you feel you can't make even decent characters in this time, you're not trying hard enough. I really don't know any other way to put it. All the resources in the world will only get you so far. At the end of the day, you have to put the effort to learn." By switching your comment to "you" it inferred you meant me. As in I was unwilling to try. When i never said any such thing. The reason i spoke of a structured code library. Or for a better wording. A code repository. Is because i have looked into all those mediums of info. Videos. Docs. Crawled this site and others. That and my own tinkering is how ive learned to do what i do.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 08:28:13 pm
What is your database??? I don't know, I have been gone from mugen for a while. You could just put credit in your releases. just downloading these characters, it seems as if you were the only one that had anything to do with these characters.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 08:30:12 pm
What is your database??? I don't know, I have been gone from mugen for a while. You could just put credit in your releases. just downloading these characters, it seems as if you were the only one that had anything to do with these characters.
Yeah I'll do a better job at that.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 08:31:38 pm
Okay. Where is your Data Base?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 08:35:00 pm
I just asked you to ask me privately. It's in the game itself which you would have to download. Talking about this though will just add un-necessary fuel to the fire. Even then this isn't really important as I just told you besides those few I normally do do the credits in the readmes I also posted it on the previous page. Also Yun/Kensou which I publicly released have them as well. I told you I just recently started doing this other method. I don't normally release characters, no need for readmes Ikemen has its own features so you would then have to explore that if its really that serious.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: lui on February 07, 2017, 08:37:56 pm
What is your database??? I don't know, I have been gone from mugen for a while. You could just put credit in your releases. just downloading these characters, it seems as if you were the only one that had anything to do with these characters.
Yeah I'll do a better job at that.
see? that's quite literally all you needed to do, just say "my bad, ill do better" and clarify things a bit more and this shitstorm wouldnt have happened. its funny how you only listened to infinite when he said to give credit when you said "why does it matter so much" to everyone else when they said give credit.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 07, 2017, 08:41:44 pm
I just asked you to ask me privately. It's in the game itself which you would have to download. Talking about this though will just add un-necessary fuel to the fire. Even then this isn't really important as I just told you besides those few I normally do do the credits in the readmes I also posted it on the previous page. Also Yun/Kensou which I publicly released have them as well. I told you I just recently started doing this other method.
I only had time to download the Vanessa and Jotaro, and I didn't see any crediting in them... I wasn't going to test this out in all your releases, they were just the most recent characters that I could find of yours that were released publicly.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 08:41:58 pm
... Also for the one's I actually made read-mes for the credits are there. I only. Movelists through the engine itself etc.
Yes! That was the lua feature i remembered seeing when i was discussing with casvalrel about groove select in ikemen before loading a match. I need to talk to swit about how this could work
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 08:42:18 pm
In all fairness. Look I get that, but look how the thread started. I should have gone about it a different way, but no one deserves that kinda disrespect for no reason. Before any of this even started. You could try to use "past experiences" against me & how you "feel" as though I am, but I didn't start anything. I messaged the a mod to see what they would do & they gave one warning that was overlooked and did nothing. It's not exactly a fair trial. Not being the best at explaining things is no excuse, but neither are accusations, or just plain disrespect as I said because something doesn't aspire to your personal quality.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Niitris on February 07, 2017, 08:42:31 pm
By switching your comment to "you" it inferred you meant me. As in I was unwilling to try. When i never said any such thing.
Exactly, that still doesn't mean don't make characters if you can't do it right. :P
And I was speaking in general, sorry for my clumsy wording. I'm just saying there's a lot of resources out there. But you still have to dedicate time to it all, and I really mean a lot of it. People commonly say that they practice and learn, but the effort is half-hearted and eventually forgotten. Everyone's done this when it comes to something, I've done it a lot with 3D work.
Mugen as a whole isn'tt easy to learn. It's just like playing an instrument, or drawing. There are people making it easier every day, but you still gotta sit down and learn it. That goes for everyone.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 08:45:58 pm
I wish users would give this much attention to project threads, idea engineering, releases, help Threads... That shit be looking like a ghost town, lost avengers game thread looks like he talks to himself Most of the time, some users dont really get feedback but everybody flocks over to some negative shit and puts in they're 2 cents of feedback, let this shit die already
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 08:55:33 pm
I just saw that niitris referred to me as the new guy. When not 3 posts earlier i stated clearly to just no point . that id been here 12 years.(as a member) lurked for some years before that.
And while i take new to = young. Whichmakes me feel good. It also makes me feel like you dont read as closely as you could. Which makes me feel kinda bad. In a thread like this. Clarity is key. With so much shit flying around.
To be clear for clarities sake. I agree with points being made all over the place.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 09:10:52 pm
Okay @ReixSeiryu: Do you see how you shouldn't fly off the handle every time? Can we learn from this a bit?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 09:11:10 pm
By switching your comment to "you" it inferred you meant me. As in I was unwilling to try. When i never said any such thing.
Exactly, that still doesn't mean don't make characters if you can't do it right. :P
And I was speaking in general, sorry for my clumsy wording. I'm just saying there's a lot of resources out there. But you still have to dedicate time to it all, and I really mean a lot of it. People commonly say that they practice and learn, but the effort is half-hearted and eventually forgotten. Everyone's done this when it comes to something, I've done it a lot with 3D work.
Mugen as a whole isn'tt easy to learn. It's just like playing an instrument, or drawing. There are people making it easier every day, but you still gotta sit down and learn it. That goes for everyone.
That is an incredibly well put way to say what you did earlier. It even has the added effect of boosting my confidence. I literally felt the urge to fire up my pc and try my hand at bug that annoyed me years ago before i switched gears and decided to learn the graphic side of things . Figuring i could better contribute where the mugen community was short handed.(sprites. Color separations. Effects). Having learned a prior games programming language. I know exactly what you mean. I spend my free time finding and reviewing tutorials.learning what i can.and 8 hour days practically applying those lessons(i work from home). Or deconstructing peoples custom sprites to compare and contrast. Its long tedious work. Fascinating But my god. Frustrating as hell. But now i can sprite better than i can physically draw. Who knew?. I certainly never expected
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 09:19:12 pm
Okay @ReixSeiryu: Do you see how you shouldn't fly off the handle every time? Can we learn from this a bit?
Look I apologize to anyone whom did not know the whole story. I didn't fly off any handles though. I am upset & I have every right to be because Jesuzilla can say whatever the hell he wants with no kinda repercussion. This wasn't an all out with the community, just as you say I should watch what I say, it should be required of everyone "all the time". Under no circumstances should it be okay to disrespect someone just because you feel like it. That's what I'm annoyed about. This isn't the first time this has happened right & I'm always upset at the same thing. It's not about me as I said The guild also, has a negative politics system that is unfair. Many can vouch for that. It's basically "shut up & follow the peace". The situation has since been explained, yet the facts are still overlooked. I apologize for saying things in the manner in which I did, however I don't believe everything I've said to be incorrect. This isn't me being arrogant its me having a different "opinion" most of which times it truly feels like if you do, you are the minority. I have a shitty way of talking, yet this started from the rude-ness that is said to not be allowed here. Yet it flys.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 09:31:55 pm
I wish users would give this much attention to project threads, idea engineering, releases, help Threads... That shit be looking like a ghost town, lost avengers game thread looks like he talks to himself Most of the time, some users dont really get feedback but everybody flocks over to some negative shit and puts in they're 2 cents of feedback, let this shit die already
Well said Memo.. this epitomizes what i feel is the most important issue and not that Lost avenger has lost his mind.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 09:35:40 pm
Okay. Show me the posts where someone was "rude". Let's see if we can get on the same page or not.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: DW on February 07, 2017, 09:40:46 pm
I just want to clear the air. I agree that you were disrespected, called out your name and what not. I don't condone it. I feel it was out of line, regardless of immediate situation. I never called you out your name, and never would. You snapped at me just because I said you make edits and people shouldn't be upset about it, whether it was a comission or not, That's what you do. I never said there was anything wrong with making edits, though I get third degree because all I supposedly do is follow you around and talk down to you. Anyone who says anything is automatically deemed a "hater" when I was actually speaking in your defense. As I said, I have no opinion of you one way or the other. Don't be so quick to brand someone.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 09:44:00 pm
It goes without saying there is a hierarchy here it's not that serious to call it a conspiracy. Friends and it's understandable. I'm not the only one who knows this & It's been this way for quite some time. My mistake for saying anything. Also DW I apologize, but at the time time the context of what you said still was written in such a way that could be misunderstood. Talking about someone in third person, to be expected, put it in his complication. Why did any of that matter? It to was unnecessary. It's not me being paranoid I let myself get sucked into the negativity which that I am at fault for.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 09:49:47 pm
Okay. Show me the posts where someone was "rude". Let's see if we can get on the same page or not.
I don't see it. If you want change you have to show me what it was.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 09:52:28 pm
If you don't see it, it simply means that "you" have not seen anything that would offend you.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 09:57:31 pm
Some people get "offended" very easily. I try to maintain a balance. If you don't wish to discuss what you feel crossed the line then don't bring it up. Some people literally get offended if a curse word is in the sentence. Whether it's a positive or negative sentence.
Stop side stepping and answer.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: 2Dee4ever on February 07, 2017, 10:00:15 pm
I'm not sidestep anything. There is a post directly above mine that agrees with what I said. Not only him, but some others. If they can see if idk how you can't. You have bias which is why there is no point in explaining anything to you in particular.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 10:03:37 pm
Spoiler alert if you don't know already...
Jzilla called rei a bitch, that's what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Zemilia on February 07, 2017, 10:04:29 pm
If you want to keep yourself from getting into more trouble, would you kindly just stop avoiding and show us the post. You're not exactly helping yourself out when you're blaming it on others.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 10:17:42 pm
Nah, it's too late. He continued to blame someone else instead of just listen and respond like normal. And if someone can't control the self because someone called them a "bitch" then they simply get offended too easily. There was context to the insult anyway.
I don't get where the bias in favor of JZ idea comes from. Bias is always the go to explanation. JZ was one of a few elite back in the day that made me quit MUGEN. And although we help each other with code and I think there is a mutual respect now we can still get into huge arguments off forum. He's learned to contact me off forum when he's pissed and needs to vent so he won't get in trouble by doing it in the forum.
I'd extend that to you as well. I can message you ways to contact me via pm once your ban expires if you care.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 10:21:13 pm
yeah . what the hell its clear as day. in the second and 3rd page .
Even the fucking throw timings and binds are the same: (http://i.imgur.com/XmRFyaw.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ZPx7gn2.png)
Time to pay Kohaku, bitch.
and then again here ReixSeiryu said, Yesterday, 08:50 PM
Or is it personal? Why am I getting an in-depth analysis?
because Speedpreacher asked me to prove it, so I did
ReixSeiryu said, Yesterday, 08:50 PM
Also quite a bit bashing going on, even called a "bitch" for what exactly?
for being a bitch
no one acknowledged this. but rei was reprimanded for insulting him back , that right there makes what he says about this place being biased seem much more true . it has nothing to do with . skill or demeanor or quality. he just called him a bitch . like = character = commission = bitch . makes no sense . has nothing to do with shadics privately comissioned publicly released character . zero . just one guy insulting another guy that wasnt here
"Nah, it's too late. He continued to blame someone else instead of just listen and respond like normal. And if someone can't control the self because someone called them a "bitch" then they simply get offended too easily. There was context to the insult anyway.
(no there wasnt. thats what makes it an insult)
I don't get where the bias in favor of JZ idea comes from. Bias is always the go to explanation. JZ was one of a few elite back in the day that made me quit MUGEN. And although we help each other with code and I think there is a mutual respect now we can still get into huge arguments off forum. He's learned to contact me off forum when he's pissed and needs to vent so he won't get in trouble by doing it in the forum.
I'd extend that to you as well. I can message you ways to contact me via pm once your ban expires if you care."
Sounds to me like youve familiarized yourself with with the quirks that make up JZ and accomodate them . thats bias like clear as crystal bias. heres the definition
bi·as /ˈbīəs/
noun
1. prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair: "there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants" synonyms: prejudice, partiality, partisanship, favoritism, unfairness, ... moreantonyms: impartiality 2. in some sports, such as lawn bowling, the irregular shape given to a ball.
verb
1. cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something: "readers said the paper was biased toward the conservatives" synonyms: prejudice, influence, color, sway, weight, ... more 2. give a bias to:
nowhere does it say preferation or inclination(triple edit i was speaking about noun. Not the verb). or fondness. these things do not mean bias. (Triple edit but can be included in it)
all i see was a member was unfairly banned . thats dissapointing and i find it disturbing .
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 10:32:07 pm
Here's the thing: if he didn't point it out, how and why should we assume he was so offended by it? Especially in the first instance when it was more of an expression. Wasn't until the second time that it became more serious because that's how he was acting.
I don't play nicely, I call crap out if I see it, especially with someone who seems to ignore anything that isn't that, as clearly shown several times in this thread.
The only apology I'll give is the staff and anyone else I may have pissed off. But to Reixseiryu? Hell no, not when he did something scummy and did nothing but come up with excuses to try and justify it, dodging the most basic questions anyone could ask him.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on February 07, 2017, 10:47:01 pm
If he was commissioned to make an edit or whatever for someone else's private use (Which isn't wrong by itself as long as the person paying knows that he's getting a cheaply done edit based on someone else's creation) and he did that fully expecting the character to never see the light in public then why go through the effort of removing almost any trace of the original author(s)'s name?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 10:50:03 pm
Nuroravage Better late than never!
Here is how we let things roll at mfg.
Someone does something really dumb, someone else can call them out on it. Some people in the world are a bit more colorful about it. It again goes back to being able to communicate with various personalities. That did not justify Rei flipping out for several pages shifting blame. Had he come in and been more polite himself JZ would have been seen as the dickhead. But he came in doing what he always does. Shifting blame, not answering questions directed at him. So people get frustrated. As long as it's small and passing we don't say anything.
I've been at the other end of this too. You respond in a manner that diffuses the situation and explains yourself. You don't start pointing fingers at everyone in the thread. At the time there was legitimate reason for concern and to dissect the work because it was a commission. I even pointed out early on we had no idea how much work had been put in or how much was paid.
With real concern you'd think a person would try to NOT add to the confusion. They shouldn't try to incite, but clearly and tactfully explain why it's all a misunderstanding.
If you are too upset to approach a topic it's best to just wait till you can. If tons of people bash and make it a big deal and you come in the next day and calmly explain the situation and take fault in the misunderstanding then all those ppl making it into a big deal look dumb. They won't react the same with you next time.
In Rei's case his past has proven he can't do that. And thus more people swarm to pwn him. But in the fairness of adapting and growing. Since you've been around for almost as long as I have, how would you suggested the situation been handled?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 07, 2017, 10:57:46 pm
JZ I dont care what you do. How you justify it. Or code you live by. You cast the first insult. And it went unmitigated. The second one too. It was when rei accused you of riding his dick from thread to thread that people jumped into a frenzy.
Saying "i calls it like i sees it" it is irresponsible and as dismissive an opinion as any rei was accused off.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 11:06:27 pm
I just got mine rode and yall still here messing up shadics thread, he's not gonna want to share with us anymore. You guys should really move this somewhere else theres no feedback for the char or nothing, shit can this bitch already continue the convo somewhere else
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 11:08:08 pm
Don't say the "b" word! It's apparently what started this!!!
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Jango on February 07, 2017, 11:18:32 pm
I have nothing else to contribute outside of what has been already said about the ethics of this character's release.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Memo on February 07, 2017, 11:25:12 pm
"I don't get where the bias in favor of JZ idea comes from. Bias is always the go to explanation. JZ was one of a few elite back in the day that made me quit MUGEN. And although we help each other with code and I think there is a mutual respect now we can still get into huge arguments off forum. He's learned to contact me off forum when he's pissed and needs to vent so he won't get in trouble by doing it in the forum.
I'd extend that to you as well. I can message you ways to contact me via pm once your ban expires if you care."
Sounds to me like youve familiarized yourself with with the quirks that make up JZ and accomodate them . thats bias like clear as crystal bias. heres the definition
I just now saw this. Did you miss the part where I extended this to Rei as well? That I am willing to try and accommodate for his personality too?
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 08, 2017, 12:36:52 am
Thank you for that Just no point.
Simply. Id have never left the point of a private comission done speedily. Something that had no reason to see the light of day. Dissection. Or interpolation of what sort of understanding went on between shadic and rei. Id have locked the thread Loong before rei showed up. Because it was a release. Not a thread about deconstructing. The guy was payed to edit. He didnt release it. He didnt come in here waving it around in peoples face like it was realized to him in a dream by some divine force that worked through his hands. If people want to tear apart something. Why not make a thread about it in an appropriate section. I see things moved all the time. I wouldnt have let it gather momentum like a murmering lynch mob building to a roar
If jesuzilla can be dismissed as the lovable "dickhead" and accepted for it. Why expect rei to behave differently than he has before in previous threads. There are many things ive learned reading reis posts in previous threads. Two of which are . 1.Finding yourself on the same page with him is difficult because it requires serious specification about the particulars of what you are discussing. 2. He accepts that the moment anyone edits something he has made he relinquishes responsibility of it. Credit or no credit refferred to him. He has nothing to do with future parties change of his works.
So when he doesnt take credit for something edited by him its the same as not saying outloud. "I edited the code. But i did not remake the entire sff. Or create the 4 sprites that i commisioned from another creator. Etc" the same as if he were to say i didnt make this. But i did these. mind you this is usually misconstrued as " Did you hear that! he didnt NOT take credit."
I really dont know why. I have two brothers that express themselves the same way and see this sort of reaction to and from them . So reading through old threads. Its very clear to me what he is saying and not saying. . And i understand what others are saying. But i can see they are not understanding each other. It would be hilarious if it wasnt so damned verbally violent.
In short. Id have told people cut it out. Because while it was released by shadic. Created privately for him. It has nothing to do with rei or his previous releases or threads. Again i reiterate. This was shadics thread. Shadics private comission. Shadics private release.
Its as if i photoshopped a mohawk on shinkiros cvs2 honda art work for a friend. He showed it to someone and they came knocking on my door with their friends. Because i didnt paint That. Uh. No shit. Its an obviously recognizable artwork from a famous artist. "Well it sucks" . My friend didnt think so. Hes happy with it "you should have credited shinkiro" why? My friend knows who made it. he gave me the artwork to change in the first place " well your a bitch i dont like how you do things i dont like your hack job" well it wasnt edited with what you like in mind. It wasnt for you. "It was cheaply done and i dont agree with it" ??? what does that have to do with my friend liking mohawks. "Get him!"
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Nuroravage on February 08, 2017, 12:47:48 am
"I don't get where the bias in favor of JZ idea comes from. Bias is always the go to explanation. JZ was one of a few elite back in the day that made me quit MUGEN. And although we help each other with code and I think there is a mutual respect now we can still get into huge arguments off forum. He's learned to contact me off forum when he's pissed and needs to vent so he won't get in trouble by doing it in the forum.
I'd extend that to you as well. I
I just now saw this. Did you miss the part where I extended this to Rei as well? That I am willing to try and accommodate for his personality too?
*shrugs* I saw that he was already banned when you offerred him that olive branch.
My issue isnt Jz or rei or fclass. Sup kappa. My issue is the smell of blood in the water and what it does. Commissioned edits are just that . Edits. I recall something similar with a tizoc by another creator. And the issue of warehousing before that. Ive got nothing else to say about the subject. Some of my concerns were abated and for the most part i still find this guild to be home when it comes to mugen. That has not changed.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 08, 2017, 01:09:09 am
I'll say this. When money gets involved we get more up tight. The last thing we want are people scamming others. The Tyzoc one was a mess and the 1st thing I thought of when I saw this thread. There were large sums of money paid for someone to use other's works for the commission.
I thought we were having a repeat of that here as I figure many others did. I was however hoping I was wrong and reminding ppl that we didn't know how much was paid. For commissioned edits that's probably a good idea to post even if it's none of anyone's business. Because it's too easy to fear the person got scammed.
Title: Re: Ryougi Shiki
Post by: Rtrindade on February 08, 2017, 11:39:19 am
Perfect now I'll wait for more of your issues. Why do not you try editing another char of Melty Blood?