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Title: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 22, 2017, 08:42:19 pm
With all the controversy surrounding Trump, whether it be news of his alleged ties to Russia & Putin, his wiretap claims, or FAKE NEWS, discuss it here.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 23, 2017, 03:48:46 am
House Intelligence Chair Nunes defends Trump's wiretap claims saying that surveillance of Trump did occur after the election, yet cited no evidence and didnt even notify the rest of his committee of his findings (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/devin-nunes-incidental-collection-trump-transition-article-1.3005685?cid=msn)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 23, 2017, 10:00:29 pm
Steve Bannon now under criminal investigation for potential voter fraud (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-bannon-voter-fraud-criminal-investigation-donald-trump-adviser-white-house-a7626721.html)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Foobs on March 23, 2017, 10:07:58 pm
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Submitting false information on a voter registration form is a third-degree felony in Florida, punishable by up to five years in prison.

However, Mr Bannon did not vote in Florida which is likely to lower the odds of the investigation against him coming to prosecution.
(http://www.adenbrook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/adenbrook-straw1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Jango on March 23, 2017, 10:24:17 pm
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The Washington Post reports several details of bizarre incidents at the property, including strange visitors and loud noises during the night and property damage worth tens of thousands from doors being padlocked or removed entirely or a hot tub seemingly destroyed by "acid".
Sounds like a good setup for a Call of Cthulhu one-shot scenario
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Foobs on March 23, 2017, 10:47:20 pm
It's also Breaking Bad season 1 if you take the meth away.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2017, 04:27:21 pm
(https://i.redditmedia.com/19J-O2mTSCEwxcmO-Y595kgr_-IbkW8K0KVRQqyCUTc.png?w=642&s=869a6ad403bb2d5a7d2107261c112ce1)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2017, 04:31:21 pm
A: Trump is great, and awesome as well
B: I'm a fucking baby idiot liberal that takes it up the ass from CNN
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Person Man on March 25, 2017, 02:18:54 am
Donald Trump refuses to acknowledge questions about his fabricated wiretapping accusations, and dismisses Time magazine reporter by saying "I'm President and you're not." (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/trump-time-interview-wiretaps-falsehoods/)  The president then issued an official announcement that he was taking his ball and going home, and closed the interview by adding "nanny nanny boo-boo, stick your head in dog doo."

The President's tantrum was soon calmed later that day when he got to climb up into a big rig truck and pretend to drive it around (http://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-white-house/).  They even let him toot the horn.

This man is an actual fucking toddler.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: ,mem on March 25, 2017, 02:33:25 am
Donald Trump refuses to acknowledge questions about his fabricated wiretapping accusations, and dismisses Time magazine reporter by saying "I'm President and you're not." (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/trump-time-interview-wiretaps-falsehoods/)  The president then issued an official announcement that he was taking his ball and going home, and closed the interview by adding "nanny nanny boo-boo, stick your head in dog doo."

The President's tantrum was soon calmed later that day when he got to climb up into a big rig truck and pretend to drive it around (http://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-white-house/).  They even let him toot the horn.

This man is an actual fucking toddler.

Perfect American president.....
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 25, 2017, 03:38:25 am
I wish some of the shit that happens is made up, but this isn't... oh man, it's funny and sad at the same time.

Oh, and if you thought that tantrum was a good one, wait until you get load of him today playing the blame game after the replacement for the ACA died in the hands of a Republican controlled Congress. Yeah, not just the House or the Senate... they have control of both chambers and still flopped harder then an Adam Sandler movie.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: OZ on March 25, 2017, 05:25:49 am
what did you expect?
this is the party that lost its own primary
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: MAO11 on March 25, 2017, 06:45:50 am
Donald Trump refuses to acknowledge questions about his fabricated wiretapping accusations, and dismisses Time magazine reporter by saying "I'm President and you're not." (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/trump-time-interview-wiretaps-falsehoods/)  The president then issued an official announcement that he was taking his ball and going home, and closed the interview by adding "nanny nanny boo-boo, stick your head in dog doo."

The President's tantrum was soon calmed later that day when he got to climb up into a big rig truck and pretend to drive it around (http://time.com/4711764/donald-trump-pretend-truck-photo-white-house/).  They even let him toot the horn.

This man is an actual fucking toddler.

wait that really happened? i thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Iced on March 27, 2017, 06:07:44 pm
Trump tried to give Angela Merkel a bill for £300 billion in NATO protection, plus interest. SO TIRED OF WINNING, GUYS

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/325847-donald-trump-printed-out-made-up-ps300bn-nato-invoice-and-handed-it%3Famp
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 31, 2017, 03:24:58 pm
Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn agrees to testify to Congress about Trump's possible ties to Russia... on the condition that he be granted full immunity (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/michael-flynn-congress-immunity-russia.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Shocksconstant on March 31, 2017, 04:26:17 pm
Lol and he was among the main "lock her up" guys during the campaign.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: walt on March 31, 2017, 05:00:20 pm
(Thanks @Ricepigeon: for the coverage. I was precisely looking for the context of why Flynn was trending on Twitter :nice: )
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Iced on March 31, 2017, 05:06:42 pm
The Potus has commented:
"Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!"
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 31, 2017, 07:03:31 pm
The Potus has commented:
"Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8QKYp3UIAE09d6.jpg)

DOIIEEE
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: OZ on March 31, 2017, 08:54:18 pm
have you ever seen anything so corrupt in your life?

edit: his words, not mine
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Tsunamidusher on March 31, 2017, 09:07:44 pm
Yes, recent Brazil and 8 years ago Mexico.

But I've NEVER seen corruption handled so poorly, so blatantly... Never in a way of "we're doing this shit openly and world wide, to maybe even prove the point that citizens are too weakened and complacent to actually do anything about it."
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 31, 2017, 09:34:07 pm
Maybe it's all a big plan to polarize us so that when the next person comes they'll have obvious flaws and yet we'll still be thinking "Better than Trump".

I mean it will be but like, we'll be desensitized more!
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: -Ash- on March 31, 2017, 09:35:48 pm
But I've NEVER seen corruption handled so poorly, so blatantly... Never in a way of "we're doing this shit openly and world wide, to maybe even prove the point that citizens are too weakened and complacent to actually do anything about it."

Come to Brazil™

Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Byakko on March 31, 2017, 09:39:19 pm
Lot less people in the world actually looking there than the US though...
Title: Re: The Donald J boku no Turompuu Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Person Man on April 01, 2017, 02:24:06 pm
After being asked a question he didn't like, Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-executive-order-signing-walk-out/index.html) without actually signing the order.

How has this man not been removed from office yet.  He has the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.
Title: Re: The Donald J boku no Turompuu Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread
Post by: Byakko on April 01, 2017, 02:39:36 pm
Oh look, word filter fucking up urls again.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2017, 04:42:59 am
and now he starts world war iii, did not even take him 3 months.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/us-military-has-launched-more-50-than-missiles-aimed-at-syria-nbc-news.html
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 07, 2017, 04:44:04 am
Ninja'd

Trump is claiming it was done as retaliation for the chemical attacks earlier this week
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Jesuszilla on April 07, 2017, 04:46:18 am
You were a bit late on that warning, Pootie. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/788960/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-threatnes-Donald-Trump-with-negative-consequences-Syria-Assad)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2017, 04:48:43 am
Ninja'd

Trump is claiming it was done as retaliation for the chemical attacks earlier this week



ah, so that's what he meant by chemtrails.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: krypT3CH0cel0t on April 07, 2017, 04:56:28 am
darn, hopefully this isnt the end lol
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Xhominid on April 07, 2017, 09:09:21 am
and now he starts world war iii, did not even take him 3 months.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/us-military-has-launched-more-50-than-missiles-aimed-at-syria-nbc-news.html

Apparently in another forum, Hilary stated she was going to do the same thing if she was in his position so yeah, World War III regardless...

Hopefully we can last long enough so I can watch the entirety of Samurai Jack first.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Prime SC on April 07, 2017, 09:23:15 am
Syrias army is tiny they not gonna go to war with us.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Byakko on April 07, 2017, 09:41:23 am
How about Russia ?
Trump is an impulsive child with big toys, he doesn't look ahead more than a day. Anyone else would at least have a plan, I don't think you can say the same about Trump.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: RMaster007 on April 07, 2017, 12:52:06 pm
Should've just given Syria some money to ask them to cut the bullshit.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 07, 2017, 03:31:40 pm
Something seems awfully rotten about this...
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Erroratu on April 07, 2017, 03:34:13 pm
Jesus Christ what happened to this
(http://i.imgur.com/tt5TvfG.jpg)
He's Obama 2.0 at this point
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 07, 2017, 04:10:43 pm
Should've just given Syria some money to ask them to cut the bullshit.

Considering we're talking about the same country who violently suppressed peaceful protests calling for al-Asaad's removal back in 2011, which sparked the Syrian Civil War in the first place... Yeah, that's not going to happen or have any effect any time soon.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Iced on April 07, 2017, 04:18:24 pm
what did anyone really expect
Hes just doing what he promised he was going to do, hes being "tough" on arabs.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/df3p3q4dxcrwtlpcj8my.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/xn52rmmcuecxtvepyved.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/rj6saepeggg3dgqhcauz.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/srfss1a9qpdbcbjs7pkz.gif)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 07, 2017, 05:01:18 pm
(https://media.8ch.net/file_store/08e4e5d0a784ae37fe1a1b7b6d6ccc42bea2dcbf690eea0ff2ff076ee620ecaa.png)

Tinfoil hats, assemble!

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2017, 06:04:55 pm
sarin attacks confirmed as weapons of mass destruction
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Iced on April 07, 2017, 07:15:04 pm
 Watch now America and Russia act like they are at each other throats and then come to an agreement that prevents global war where America finally has a justification to lift Russia Sanctions in order to foster peace.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Dumanios on April 07, 2017, 07:29:27 pm
and now he starts world war iii, did not even take him 3 months.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/us-military-has-launched-more-50-than-missiles-aimed-at-syria-nbc-news.html

Apparently in another forum, Hilary stated she was going to do the same thing if she was in his position so yeah, World War III regardless...

Hopefully we can last long enough so I can watch the entirety of Samurai Jack first.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8x-aUYXUAAF2sH.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 08, 2017, 02:50:15 am
Anytime I see those pictures of Trump hugging the flag, I like to think that the flag is screaming for an adult to help him.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: ,mem on April 08, 2017, 02:55:20 am
Flag:I need an adult
Trump: I am the most mature adult you'll ever meet.
Flag:Uh
Trump: Join me flag together we will make adults GREAT AGAIN

So meanwhile the world is still filled with lies with all forms of news being untrustworthy aka another day in America.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Tsunamidusher on April 08, 2017, 03:47:55 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8x-aUYXUAAF2sH.jpg)
Not directed at the poster

One equivalence will not change the non-fiction that these two are on vast different levels of diplomacy
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Looney Tooney on April 08, 2017, 03:49:14 am
understatement of 2017.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 08, 2017, 05:54:33 am
Flag:I need an adult
Trump: I am the most mature adult you'll ever meet.
Flag:Uh
Trump: Join me flag together we will make adults GREAT AGAIN

So meanwhile the world is still filled with lies with all forms of news being untrustworthy aka another day in America.

Thanks, I needed a chuckle like that today... although I was thinking more along these lines:

Flag: I need an adult.
Trump: I am an adult!
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: ,mem on April 08, 2017, 05:55:44 am
I was gonna do that but then I remember it was Trump. He doesn't meet expectations he just does....something I don't know *shrugs*
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Gennos on April 08, 2017, 06:40:17 pm
this is pretty much the only good thing trump has done.
assad's air forces have been massacring civilians with bomb strikes and sarin attacks for a long time, it's about time they have a taste of their own poison.
also, the reason for that strike was NOT to retaliate against the sarin attacks, it was to take away one of assad's most useful weapons in this war. those planes could wipe out an entire camp of fighters. as long as they're there, bashar will eventually win this war. so trump just evened the odds for the opposition.
and to everyone who's scared from russia, just fuck off man. children were being massacred, someone had to do something about it.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Byakko on April 08, 2017, 06:43:02 pm
children were being massacred, someone had to do something about it.
Nobody's denying that, the whole world is agreeing with that, no one said that was the problem.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Xhominid on April 08, 2017, 07:52:44 pm
this is pretty much the only good thing trump has done.
assad's air forces have been massacring civilians with bomb strikes and sarin attacks for a long time, it's about time they have a taste of their own poison.
also, the reason for that strike was NOT to retaliate against the sarin attacks, it was to take away one of assad's most useful weapons in this war. those planes could wipe out an entire camp of fighters. as long as they're there, bashar will eventually win this war. so trump just evened the odds for the opposition.
and to everyone who's scared from russia, just fuck off man. children were being massacred, someone had to do something about it.

He also revoked the TPP, let's not pretend that wasn't going to an absolute pain in the ass if not game changing if it was put into effect.

And honestly, I'm a little here and there with this.
It seems it was the right thing to do, but it also seemed like the wrong thing to do. Basically it's what's right vs. what's best for us.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Shocksconstant on April 09, 2017, 05:31:24 pm
Well unfortunately this could be the starting point that puts the U.S. on the road to war again ironically the type of conflict he says  were "stupid" wars before. He also said we'd never get anything out of bombing Syria for something like this, Syria has used chemical weapons on its people before.
Title: Re: The Donald J Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Syria edition
Post by: Foobs on April 10, 2017, 05:52:30 am
Hey, do you hate Trump? Do you enjoy anti-zionist/anti-semitic conspiracies? Do you feel alienated in our current politically correct left vs irreverent "Hitler did nothing wrong" right paradigm? Fear not friend, I have just what you need:

A group of rich and politically influential jews tie Putin and Trump together (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 12, 2017, 03:09:19 pm
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer claims Syrian President al-Assad was worse than Adolf Hitler since Hitler "never gassed his own people" (http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/sean-spicer-says-hitler-was-nicer-than-assad/)

He offered an apology hours later (http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/sean-spicer-apologizes-for-hitler-comments/).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: ,mem on April 12, 2017, 03:40:49 pm
That is literally the exact same thing  as going too far with a joke and then apologizing for being embarrassed.
"He offered an apology hours later"....cue laughtrack
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Byakko on April 12, 2017, 03:58:50 pm
He offered an apology hours later (http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/sean-spicer-apologizes-for-hitler-comments/).
"Tell us exactly who you're apologizing to" "uuuh anyone who was offended ? (like... do you want names, or...)" lol that reporter was quite clearly hurling Spicer right back into the pit because it's obvious he's not savvy about anything like that and he's just saying whatever goes through his mind at the time and there's nobody to double-check any text or make a good sitrep on a given crisis. ........ Yep, looking up this guy, Wolf Blitzer, his parents were holocaust survivors straight from Auschwitz. So if Spicer had any idea what he was doing, the first response would have been "you". It did pretty pointedly look like that's what he wanted to hear.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Jango on April 12, 2017, 04:18:00 pm
Actually Hitler DID gas his own people (people with disabilities), but I digress.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Foobs on April 12, 2017, 04:29:11 pm
Spicer never said "gas", he said "chemical weapons". It was a pretty dumb statement nevertheless, and even more so coming from a White House spokesperson.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Byakko on April 12, 2017, 04:42:54 pm
He actually did as people asked him to clarify, according to quotes not in the video.
Quote
“Quote, ‘Hitler didn’t even sink to the level of using chemical weapons.’ What did you mean by that?” the reporter asked.
Spicer seemed confused by the question and stuttered an answer: “I think when you come to sarin gas, there was no — he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that Assad is doing.”
You could argue "*the* gas" specifically meant sarin gas somehow, but it's more likely that he realized when asked that the gas chambers were included in chemical weapons and tried to backpedal immediately. Sure people are piling up on him now for a dumb mistake when he didn't realize what he was talking about and he's tried to revert it all back, but after everything these past few months, who would defend him.
(and then watch Trump go on another media hate spree about how they burned a good man at the stake for an obvious mistake)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: OZ on April 12, 2017, 08:42:23 pm
even if it might be a little early to call trump the worst president in US history, I think we can safely mark down sean spicer as one of, if not the most incompetent press secretary we've ever had

it's pretty damn hard to try to out-do trump, but spicer is firing on all 6 cylinders
the man has negative tact; the fact that he's been trusted with running PR for america's great dumpster fire is hilarious

he doesn't do research, he doesn't seem to have a solid line of communication with the president, he talks to the press like they're the opposition, and is constantly slipping out worthless/damning little comments like this one

maybe those things would be less noticeable if trump weren't president
but trump is president, and isn't this beautiful

at least nixon's ron ziegler had the excuse of being the youngest press secretary ever appointed
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Iced on April 13, 2017, 12:48:31 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reverses-himself_us_58ee7ffee4b0b9e98488ea64

Quote
Trump said the Chinese are “not currency manipulators.” Just last week, he said they were “world champions” of currency manipulation, and he pledged throughout his campaign to label China a currency manipulator on his first day in office. He tweeted in 2012 that President Barack Obama’s failure to call China a currency manipulator “helped China steal even more jobs and money from us.”

Trump said, “I do like a low interest-rate policy.” During his campaign, he excoriated the Federal Reserve for keeping rates low, and said in 2011 that the policy would lead to hyperinflation.

Trump said he was open to the idea of reappointing Janet Yellen to head the Federal Reserve. On the campaign trail, he said he would “most likely” replace her. “I like her, I respect her,” Trump told the Journal at the time.

Trump said he supported the Export-Import Bank, noting that small companies are “really helped” by the institution. During the campaign, he said the bank was unnecessary.

On each of these issues, Trump’s turnabout puts him in lockstep with the Washington economic policy consensus. And in each case, Trump is walking away ― at least for now ― from the heterodox views he expressed during the campaign. This week’s reversals follow his shift on Syria last week, when Trump fired cruise missiles at an airbase after repeatedly saying he opposed U.S. involvement in the country’s civil war.

Also on Wednesday, Trump reversed his position on NATO, telling reporters, “They made a change and now they do fight terrorism. I said it was obsolete. It’s no longer obsolete.”

It is rare for Trump to admit he is changing positions. During the campaign, for example, he insisted he had opposed the Iraq War before the 2003 U.S. invasion, even though he supported it during a radio interview at the time. 

In an interview with Fox Business Network that was taped on Tuesday, Trump blasted Obama for not striking Syria in 2013 ― even though Trump repeatedly tweeted at the time that Obama should not do so.

In The Wall Street Journal interview, Trump also waded back into the debate over the relative value of the U.S. dollar, saying, “I think our dollar is getting too strong, and partially that’s my fault because people have confidence in me. But that’s hurting—that will hurt ultimately.”

Trump said the dollar was too strong in January, prompting it to fall. 

(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/r/ro/fark_ro2ZEv2Ve14FIXE0JTFdZ4VB8Ko.png?t=9WLFMvPM_NstUuTUXjfnyg&f=1492401600)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 13, 2017, 04:20:50 pm
There's go one the promises he made... still won't see the nincompoops that voted for him jump ship.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Titiln on April 13, 2017, 04:22:35 pm
who the fuck cares about people jumping ship after the election
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Iced on April 13, 2017, 04:50:18 pm
if anything its weird how he is still having concentrations of fans and people waving flags for the dude, its not jumping the ship as much as jumping out of the frypan
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: OZ on April 13, 2017, 08:02:18 pm
a cult of personality is a wondrous thing
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Tsunamidusher on April 13, 2017, 08:10:25 pm
I don't see how this is odd... Seems pretty American to me.

To do the obviously stupid wrong thing over and over again without owning up to it. Then either waiting till something goes right and boast that you were never wrong to begin with, or just openly pretend that nothing is as bad as everything around you says it is.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: BurningSoul on April 13, 2017, 08:43:11 pm
I don't see how this is odd... Seems pretty American to me.

To do the obviously stupid wrong thing over and over again without owning up to it. Then either waiting till something goes right and boast that you were never wrong to begin with, or just openly pretend that nothing is as bad as everything around you says it is.

much like every kid movie in america?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Titiln on April 13, 2017, 09:10:38 pm
what
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Umezono on April 13, 2017, 11:29:10 pm
they dropped the MOAB on afghanistan

remember when the trump admin claimed to be non interventionist
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: krypT3CH0cel0t on April 13, 2017, 11:56:37 pm
come on guys.... Are we really surprised???? All presidents are puppets and trump has shown he is just like the rest of the presidents before him.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Niitris on April 14, 2017, 12:11:46 am


Guess he heard the real news networks tearing him a new one for flip-flopping.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Titiln on April 14, 2017, 01:03:56 am
how is this thread not called a MAGAthread
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Foobs on April 14, 2017, 01:04:30 am
[Huffpo]
Yuck.

That aside I'm waiting for Trump to do a 180 on the wall. He's backpedaled from so much not-so-dumb shit  in the last few months and he's still pushing that fucking wall.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom Megathread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 15, 2017, 07:50:34 pm
That aside I'm waiting for Trump to do a 180 on the wall. He's backpedaled from so much not-so-dumb shit  in the last few months and he's still pushing that fucking wall.

maybe he owns a construction company ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Holocaust Denial edition
Post by: Foobs on April 15, 2017, 08:10:13 pm
Yeah, but we're talking about the US, not Mexico or Brazil. Scrooge McTrump isn't retarded enough to push for a gigantic and quixotic piece of infrastructure going from coast to coast just so he and his cronies can make some money on the bidding process, that's the kind of shit that would actually get him impeached.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on May 10, 2017, 05:30:25 am
Trump fires FBI Director Comey over his handling of the Clinton email investigation (http://nypost.com/2017/05/09/president-trump-fires-fbi-director-james-comey/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Person Man on May 10, 2017, 02:54:53 pm
So, two days before Comey is scheduled to testify about the ongoing investigation into the Trump administration's never ending unethical ties to Russia, he is fired by the Trump Administration, ostensibly over something he did to one of Trump's political enemies almost a year ago, on the recommendation of someone who's already had to recuse himself due to being a subject of that very same investigation.

Well gee willikers, I don't see anything suspicious here!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: ,mem on May 10, 2017, 03:02:16 pm
Eh it's the FBI they like everything else in this country are corrupt and probably evil for the evulz. Honestly without stuff like this i'd forget we had a president due to the fact that when you realize everything is rigged you just stop caring.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Dumanios on May 10, 2017, 05:26:49 pm
So, who's Trump going to replace Comey with, and how much will the replacement have donated to Trump before?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 10, 2017, 06:08:41 pm
Jared Kushner.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 10, 2017, 06:29:13 pm
You know the Russian spy recruiter that Sessions lied about meeting with? Trump is meeting with him, right now. Bonus: Pic is from Russian outlet, meeting was closed to US press

https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/862324158646165506

Completely unscheduled & just happened to fall on the day after he fired the man who was investigating him for his Russia ties. Hmm
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: walt on May 10, 2017, 06:55:20 pm
omfg where are the avengers
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Tsunamidusher on May 10, 2017, 07:54:12 pm
I know Nixonian is thrown around a lot. But his has to be the beginning of the end for this administration.

I would not be surprised if information soon leaked would put Trump on home arrest and all of his bills/appointments were frozen until the courts make a decision.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 10, 2017, 10:29:59 pm
Actually this is very normal and absolutely justified and uh, you know, umm, both sides are equally bad.

Quote
President Donald Trump weighed firing his FBI director for more than a week. When he finally pulled the trigger Tuesday afternoon, he didn't call James Comey. He sent his longtime private security guard to deliver the termination letter in a manila folder to FBI headquarters.

He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia. He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him. He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said.
See, totally normal. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-trump-russia-238192)

Quote
Trump received letters from Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, and Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, calling for Comey's dismissal, on Tuesday, a spokesman said. The president then decided to fire him based on the recommendations and moved quickly. The spokesman said Trump did not ask for the letters in advance, and that White House officials had no idea they were coming.

But several other people familiar with the events said Trump had talked about the firing for over a week, and the letters were written to give him rationale to fire Comey.
Nothing to see here.

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While shock dominated much of the FBI and the White House, the mood was more elated at Roger Stone's house in Florida. Several Stone allies and friends said Stone, who has been frequently mentioned in the investigation, encouraged the president to fire Comey in conversations in recent weeks.
haha look at how normal this is now. hahahahahaha
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: ,mem on May 10, 2017, 10:37:33 pm
It's almost like everyone has always been super corrupt. Only now it's corrupt...er
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 10, 2017, 11:00:55 pm
So glad these guys drained the swamp.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Tsunamidusher on May 11, 2017, 12:18:05 am
Really getting fed up with that false equivalency that Dems and Clinton should be praising this firing after complaining about Comey.
Clinton would not have been under investigation for Russian collusion and wouldn't fire the person in charge of investigating her either, regardless of whether she personally liked them or not. Government jobs full of people that do their jobs, regardless of personal vendettas. As long as they do their job and not disrupting their agency, you keep your position.

For the record, I'm sure Clinton would have wanted to fire him day one if she could, but these circumstances for firing him are completely insulting to logic and reason!

Not to mention, sending a body guard to give a pink slip rather than sitting down and talking to him? What a complete pussy
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Shocksconstant on May 11, 2017, 12:24:35 am
It's almost like everyone has always been super corrupt. Only now it's corrupt...er

You see, we're not dealing with the "average" corrupt administration anymore....
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 11, 2017, 05:05:11 am
Quote
Every time FBI Director James B. Comey appeared in public, an ever-watchful President Trump grew increasingly agitated that the topic was the one that he was most desperate to avoid: Russia.

Trump had long questioned Comey’s loyalty and judgment, and was infuriated by what he viewed as the director’s lack of action in recent weeks on leaks from within the federal government. By last weekend, he had made up his mind: Comey had to go.
[...]
Trump was angry that Comey would not support his baseless claim that President Barack Obama had his campaign offices wiretapped. Trump was frustrated when Comey revealed in Senate testimony the breadth of the counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s effort to sway the 2016 U.S. presidential election. And he fumed that Comey was giving too much attention to the Russia probe and not enough to investigating leaks to journalists.
[...]
In the weeks leading up to Comey’s firing, Trump administration officials had repeatedly urged the FBI to more aggressively pursue leak investigations, according to people familiar with the discussions. Administration officials sometimes sought to push the FBI to prioritize leak probes over the Russia interference case, and at other times urged the bureau to investigate disclosures of information that was not classified or highly sensitive and therefore did not constitute crimes, these people said.
Got no jokes here. This is just too fucking terrifying. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-trumps-anger-and-impatience-prompted-him-to-fire-the-fbi-director/2017/05/10/d9642334-359c-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html?utm_term=.dc0f511b85d2)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: R565 on May 11, 2017, 05:16:05 am
I need one of you guys to hold me, because this is fricking scary...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Dumanios on May 11, 2017, 06:54:09 pm
From what I've seen, the most likely replacement for Comey will be Trey Gowdy.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 11, 2017, 07:07:06 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/862387734492663808?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Titiln on May 11, 2017, 07:23:36 pm
comey basically helped trump become president and trump had no problem firing him. trump is unbiased, he's draining the swamp and is making america great again day by day
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Do not even ask on May 12, 2017, 03:15:05 am
http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript

it reads like a fucking the onion article
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 12, 2017, 05:31:00 pm
pffffhahahahaha
This fucking moron Trump went and threatened Comey on Twitter not to leak anything to the press, threatening him with hypothetical tapes of their conversations
And 20 minutes before that he suggested the White House stopped doing press briefings altogether and just hand out written memos to everyone so they could get their story straight. Literally.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Erroratu on May 12, 2017, 05:39:13 pm
You know,the anons on /pol/ said even before he got elected that if he did win,the shitposting on his Twitter would be incredible
But uhhh
I didnt know they meant it in this way
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 12, 2017, 06:11:35 pm
pffffhahahahaha
makes you think of all the shit he got away with running his own company; now he thinks he is runing his country.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: OZ on May 12, 2017, 08:35:26 pm
...and this is what watergate would have looked like if performed by clowns

well, bigger clowns
this 'incident' makes nixon's shenanigans read like a spy novel

our president has the depth of a batman villain
no more, no less
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on May 12, 2017, 09:05:56 pm
Except putting The Joker on the same level as Trump is an insult to The Joker
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 12, 2017, 10:11:46 pm
lower level Batman villains than the Joker.

But hey, I just wanted to reiterate how he did the last two things I posted about
on
fucking
Twitter.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Person Man on May 13, 2017, 01:32:36 am
A few weeks ago I made a crack about Trump having the emotional maturity of a five year old.  At the time I was mostly just being hyperbolic for the sake a joke. 

Turns out I wasn't actually that far off the mark. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/trump-time-magazine-ice-cream/)

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/CNN-Trump-Gets-Two-Scoops-of-Ice-Cream-575x331.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Titiln on May 13, 2017, 01:42:01 am
i find it way more concerning that cnn would waste more than 5 seconds talking about the amount of ice cream trump eats

more so considering everything else that's going on around him
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: ,mem on May 13, 2017, 01:42:41 am
Apparently spiritually he's a new soul....aka he's basically a one year old in a 70+ year old mans body.
Leading a country
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 13, 2017, 02:16:50 am
Except putting The Joker on the same level as Trump is an insult to The Joker
make america laugh again (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6UUwzaoD9s)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 16, 2017, 12:44:20 am
Quote
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
[...]
Trump has repeatedly gone off-script in his dealings with high-ranking foreign officials, most notably in his contentious introductory conversation with the Australian Prime Minister earlier this year. He has also faced criticism for lax attention to security at his Florida retreat Mar-a-Lago, where he appeared to field preliminary reports of a North Korea missile launch in full view of casual diners.

U.S. officials said that the National Security Council continues to prepare multi-page briefings for Trump to guide him through conversations with foreign leaders but that he has insisted that the guidance be distilled to a single page of bullet points, and often ignores those.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Tsunamidusher on May 16, 2017, 01:23:48 am
Spoiler: Response (click to see content)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Foobs on May 16, 2017, 01:40:46 am
Quote
U.S. officials said that the National Security Council continues to prepare multi-page briefings for Trump to guide him through conversations with foreign leaders but that he has insisted that the guidance be distilled to a single page of bullet points, and often ignores those.
lol

I remember hearing the same thing from Bush, but thought it was hyperbole. Pretty sad the current resident is outdumbing Bush.
Title: rumors on the internets
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2017, 02:39:39 am
I remember hearing the same thing from Bush, but thought it was hyperbole. Pretty sad the current resident is outdumbing Bush.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. (http://i.imgur.com/I8L2h6Q.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 16, 2017, 05:37:06 am
Speaking of Bush, this reminds me of a certain quote I read some time ago about Bush that can still apply to your current presidnet with a minor edit:
Quote
Ha, ha, ha! Never let it be said Americans are unconcerned about foreign countries. You're so nice to us you very kindly elected a complete vegetable clown as your president, so we can all point and laugh!
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/EFijY5v.png[/avatar]
This man is an actual fucking toddler.
Further evidence on your statement
Quote
U.S. officials said that the National Security Council continues to prepare multi-page briefings for Trump to guide him through conversations with foreign leaders but that he has insisted that the guidance be distilled to a single page of bullet points, and often ignores those.
Imagine him being lectured like a 5 year old by his parents not to go around divulging personal family matters to everyone he meets.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Person Man on May 16, 2017, 03:30:01 pm
White House National Security adviser H.R. McMaster has released a statement (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/15/the-white-house-isnt-denying-that-trump-gave-russia-classified-information-not-really/?utm_term=.696e1b119d57) that the story that Trump willingly revealed classified national secrets to Russian dignitaries is not true.

Quote
The story that came out tonight, as reported, is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time — at no time — were intelligence sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember it being the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. And I was in the room. It didn’t happen.

Well, that's comforting.  It's really terrifying to think that the President would do something as monumentally stupid and dangerous as...

(http://i.imgur.com/r56WYI7.png)

Motherfucker. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/16/trump-just-threw-his-top-advisers-under-the-bus-again/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.a29bd37fe55a)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2017, 03:54:17 pm
Media accuses trump of doing x => Trump handlers guarantee he hasnt done X ==> Trump handlers guarantee that even if he did it would be legal => Trump runs to twitter to claims he did X when his handlers are asleep

White house sharing info with partners is a great thing when its controlled and not just because he decided to brag mid conversation about having all the leaks, the blood on the water is thick , the sharks gonna close in sooner or later.
I wonder how everyone that voted for him because they "believed" him and not as a joke keep justifying themselves now. Somehow her emails were a really bad thing but trump can brag about having the nuke codes and tell them to the russian to prove he has them and thats okay, because hes telling it like it is.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: OZ on May 16, 2017, 04:34:22 pm
the problem is that the voters that actually 'believed' him are legitimately too stupid for politics

they don't really understand any of what's going on and will happily lap up 'alternative news' from what they see as the good guy


you are living in a world of nations and peoples
they are living in a world of shapes and colors
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 16, 2017, 11:33:19 pm
I still am in awe of those early morning tweets. I thought it would at least take a few days before he admitted to everything while simultanenously throwing all his aides and surrogates under the bus, again.

Quote
There is a fear among some of Mr. Trump’s senior advisers about leaving him alone in meetings with foreign leaders out of concern he might speak out of turn. General McMaster, in particular, has tried to insert caveats or gentle corrections into conversations when he believes the president is straying off topic or onto boggy diplomatic ground.

This has, at times, chafed the president, according to two officials with knowledge of the situation. Mr. Trump, who still openly laments having to dismiss his first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, has groused that General McMaster talks too much in meetings, and the president has referred to him as “a pain,” according to one of the officials.

In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies.
jfc (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/white-house-staff.html)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 17, 2017, 12:00:34 am
double post because, clearly,
 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.htmlhaving one earth-shattering Trump-related news story per day was simply not enough:[/url)
Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation said:
President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
uhhh

Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation said:
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence a continuing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
[...]
Mr. Comey created similar memos — including some that are classified — about every phone call and meeting he had with the president, the two people said. It is unclear whether Mr. Comey told the Justice Department about the conversation or his memos.
[...]
Mr. Comey’s recollection has been bolstered in the past by F.B.I. notes. In 2007, he told Congress about a now-famous showdown with senior White House officials over the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House disputed Mr. Comey’s account, but the F.B.I. director at the time, Robert S. Mueller III, kept notes that backed up Mr. Comey’s story.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 17, 2017, 12:24:58 am
subject line : SABOUTAGE

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_-xeaRUAAAji8B.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Snakebyte on May 17, 2017, 12:54:08 am
Okay I came in here to argue a fairly subtle point but I can't be fucked because are you seriously telling me they typoed sabotage.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: ,mem on May 17, 2017, 12:56:08 am
I guess you could say the grammer got....sabotaged. *soul dies*
Before you ask yes the mistake was intentional.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 17, 2017, 01:28:30 am
... So anyway, how does it go when an impeachment is enacted ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Foobs on May 17, 2017, 01:38:25 am
Any impeachment attempt would go nowhere as long as Republicans control both houses of the congress. The only way Trump is leaving the White House before 2021 is if a) this scandal is still relevant in the average voter's mind during 2018 and b) Democrats sweep the midterms elections.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Person Man on May 17, 2017, 02:40:42 am
I wouldn't put it past the GOP to pull the trigger on Trump themselves so they can try and spin it like they're the heroes for doing it. 

At any rate, it's looking more and more likely (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/333721-independent-senator-on-comey-memo-impeachment-could-be-considered-if-true) that it's going to be brought up, and soon.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Foobs on May 17, 2017, 03:02:21 am
If the Republicans impeach Trump, regardless of how incompetent he is, they shoot themselves in the foot. The Republicans' voting base will see it as backstabbing. The christian right is dead and if establishment Republicans want to remain relevant they have to court the alt-right, and Trump is still God Emperor to them.

BTW I don't even know why the fuck do we still call it the "alt" right. It's basically the "mainstream" right now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 17, 2017, 04:33:16 am
inb4 fake news

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-i-am-very-stupid-human-being-56024
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 17, 2017, 08:35:37 am
BTW I don't even know why the fuck do we still call it the "alt" right. It's basically the "mainstream" right now.
Because they're not the Right but the Far Right, being alone doesn't change their position on this board, it actually means something. It's just that there's no Right, there's a Far Right.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Flowrellik on May 17, 2017, 09:01:49 am
Far left or far right, if you fall under each you pretty much screwed yourself.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Foobs on May 17, 2017, 02:16:39 pm
Because they're not the Right but the Far Right, being alone doesn't change their position on this board, it actually means something. It's just that there's no Right, there's a Far Right.
The alt right isn't the far right either. Most of the people the alt right worships are demagogues with heterodox policies. Trump himself is an example: back in the Republican primaries he was almost the only candidate (along with Jeb!) who believes the rich should pay more taxes. Trump built his plataform around hatred of foreign trade. He's barely to the right of Hillary on most issues outside of immigration.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 17, 2017, 06:50:23 pm
Trump [] was almost the only candidate [] who believes the rich should pay more taxes.
Well, maybe he said that, but I'm pretty sure he's not doing it. Being a demagogue made him say that and got him votes from people who are neither far right nor alt right, but that's definitely not a thing he's actually doing, that's not his own policy. He himself was raised and advised by the likes of Bannon and his "news" site whose name I already forgot, which is resolutely far right in everything but name. And the far right uses fake promises and demagogy to get votes from outside their circle. Nothing that Trump has actually done should make you think he's anything but far right. The "alt right" movement was born form those guys, it was never anything more than rebranding.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: ,mem on May 17, 2017, 07:40:27 pm
Fake promises.......yep he's definitely a president alright.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 17, 2017, 11:30:25 pm
Oh, right, about the impeachment / no impeachment thing, one thing I was thinking about. Trump is being briefed on highly classified intelligence regularly. Right now he's leaking it to Russia. Whatever happens, impeachment or not, whenever this bozo gets out of the White House, he'll still have a lot of info about stuff that'll still be running. So... What's your bet on how long he'll stay free when he's back to being a civilian ? Bonus question : how much damage can he do, and / or how much money can he gain from that, in the mean time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Person Man on May 18, 2017, 02:14:59 pm
Fragile conservative snowflake needs a safe space to hide from the big bad liberal media. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-comey-latest-news-no-president-treated-worse-speech-quote-a7741571.html)

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President Donald Trump, amid his own swirling controversies, advised United States Coast Guard Academy graduates that while things aren't always fair, "you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight."

The comment was a clear reference to the fact that Trump's White House is now besieged by bipartisan questions about his alleged request that former FBI Director James Comey halt an investigation into his former top national security aide.

Then, dropping the pretext even more, he bemoaned the media coverage of his presidency.  "Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

No president has ever been treated as bad as me, he says, forgetting about the three presidents who were murdered in office.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 18, 2017, 02:30:03 pm
Those guys simply got off easy with the sweet release of death!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Flowrellik on May 18, 2017, 02:46:55 pm
There has been 4 total presidents shot down. Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley (on his second term), and Kennedy, all died for their country.
Historical fact aside, with Trump not handling his own swirling mess of chaos leads me to believe that either A) he'll just brave through it until his impeachment shows or B) something horrific might happen to make this melting pot worse. Seeing as how he gave out secrets to Russia about Israel, I would hate to see what happens what he might do if an NK nuclear warhead touches shore on US Soil (let alone our allies).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: MAO11 on May 18, 2017, 03:00:53 pm
lol kennedy died for his country.

i'm surprised that republicans aren't taking any actions to control him, dude is wrecking his own party.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 18, 2017, 03:12:22 pm
Trump is a plant by the democrats to ruin the republican party cred and make Hillary a president americans would rather have than him.

The clintons prepared ths all, they are playing 8d chess while you were all playing checkers and screaming to make america great again.
Touche, republicans.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: OZ on May 18, 2017, 08:58:39 pm
lol kennedy died for his country.

i'm surprised that republicans aren't taking any actions to control him, dude is wrecking his own party.

dude, 'his' party was already beyond wrecked
trump is an opportunistic infection feeding on the compromised immune system of the republican host party
he will continue to consume their resources until they both ultimately die
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Snakebyte on May 18, 2017, 09:33:34 pm
^ This was a big part of his appeal. You're finally starting to get it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 18, 2017, 09:39:15 pm
Everybody already knew that the moment he opened his mouth in the primaries. Apparently you're still not getting that he's taking the rest of the country down too, including you. We don't misunderstand what you saw in him, we just think it was still fucking mental.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Snakebyte on May 18, 2017, 09:40:17 pm
Mate I'm in Canada, I'm not going down with anyone.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 18, 2017, 09:40:44 pm
Yeah, right, you keep thinking that. I didn't mean just the US, I meant the rest of the world too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Snakebyte on May 18, 2017, 09:41:12 pm
Okay. Will do.

edit: Man you guys are taking this red scare 2.0 thing really seriously. There will be no apocalypse forthcoming, fucking hell you're melodramatic.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 18, 2017, 09:56:51 pm
red scare 2.0
lol no.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: OZ on May 18, 2017, 11:40:56 pm
^ This was a big part of his appeal. You're finally starting to get it.

thanks for opening my eyes friendo
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 20, 2017, 01:29:09 am
Here's today's huge, completely insane Trump news story, cuz I guess this is just gonna happen daily from now on: (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html)
Trump Told Russians That Firing ‘Nut Job’ Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation said:
President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”
Never fear, there's a completely plausible explanation for all of this:
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Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.

In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.

“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations."
See? Stop taking Trump so literally. He was just joking; this is all just "locker room talk"!

... well, look, it's a better explanation than this:
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A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.

Also the Russia probe has kicked into high gear, and is now investigating a high-ranking White House official (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/russia-probe-reaches-current-white-house-official-people-familiar-with-the-case-say/2017/05/19/7685adba-3c99-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html) (speculated to be Kushner).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 24, 2017, 01:10:13 pm
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/23/read-the-full-transcript-of-trumps-call-with-philippine-president-rodrigo-duterte/

The Philippines leaked out a trump call to President Duterte.
Trump opened the call, which took place earlier this month, by congratulating Duterte on his violent approach to fighting drug addiction by murdering drug addicts, which has been one of the signature trademarks of Duterte's time in office so far.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: MAO11 on May 24, 2017, 03:24:56 pm
huh so that's why he had a sudden change of heart, a few months ago he was shit talking about americans now he's best buddies with them and wants china out.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 24, 2017, 07:27:08 pm
Someone needs to draw Trump cosplaying Jousuke from JoJo with his catchphrase "GREAT da ze !"

That's the one I was referring to.
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Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Person Man on May 25, 2017, 02:12:57 pm
Because he is a sociopathic narcissist who is incapable of stopping himself, Trump visited the Holocaust Memorial center in Jerusalem and wrote about himself in their guest book. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reflects-on-amazing-visit-to-a-holocaust-museum-he-barely-visited_us_59243873e4b034684b0fd30b)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jango on May 25, 2017, 09:09:50 pm
I'm not seeing the narcissism. It's concise and kiddy, yes, but it's not a "LOOK AT ME" signature. It's just a nothing statement thar someone who doesn't know what to write would say. I mean Justin Bieber declared that Anne Frank was posthumously a Belieber, and people gave less of a shit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Titiln on May 25, 2017, 09:30:06 pm
yeah it pales in comparison to what obama wrote but i wouldn't call it atrocious
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: OZ on May 25, 2017, 09:42:48 pm
Had a great time, learned about the holocaust. Sad.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 25, 2017, 10:52:50 pm
Aaaand Virginia officially buried the immigration ban for good today.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jango on May 25, 2017, 11:13:58 pm
Now that's something that's actually newsworthy!

It kinda annoys me how much news outlets are trying to dig up these little Trumpisms and pass it off as journalism when there are much more important things going on, good or bad (mostly bad). I wouldn't be surprised if Person Man one day links an article saying "Just to prove how much of an egomaniac Trump is, he was found in the men's bathroom sticking a finger up his own butthole (for pleasure)."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Niitris on May 25, 2017, 11:34:25 pm
It harms the already shaken MSM more than it does Trump, posting all these non-stories. Then they wanna wonder why the public has issues trusting whatever it is they say.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 25, 2017, 11:41:20 pm
Like how the pope, after meeting Trump, looked super bummed for the first time since he became pope ? Or how Melania slapped and escaped Trump trying to reach for her hand twice ? Or like how Macron and Trump met today, and on the fateful handshake, if you go frame by frame, you clearly see Trump trying to escape twice from Macron's grip ? (After Trudeau, everyone's showing off)
This is like the usual celebrity watch, but with world leaders now. It's hilarious and it's a change from all the impending doom of nuclear war against North Korea -Trump off-handedly publicly revealed that there were two nuclear submarines next to North Korea- and the collusion with Russia -the former CIA director revealed in a hearing that they know for a fact Moscow tried to recruit some of Trump's staff but they don't know if they succeeded.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: MAO11 on May 26, 2017, 01:40:30 pm
Now that's something that's actually newsworthy!

It kinda annoys me how much news outlets are trying to dig up these little Trumpisms and pass it off as journalism when there are much more important things going on, good or bad (mostly bad). I wouldn't be surprised if Person Man one day links an article saying "Just to prove how much of an egomaniac Trump is, he was found in the men's bathroom sticking a finger up his own butthole (for pleasure)."

meh they that to obama remember that coffee salute thing ,
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 26, 2017, 02:20:49 pm
Like how the pope, after meeting Trump, looked super bummed for the first time since he became pope ? Or how Melania slapped and escaped Trump trying to reach for her hand twice ? Or like how Macron and Trump met today, and on the fateful handshake, if you go frame by frame, you clearly see Trump trying to escape twice from Macron's grip ? (After Trudeau, everyone's showing off)
This is like the usual celebrity watch, but with world leaders now. It's hilarious and it's a change from all the impending doom of nuclear war against North Korea -Trump off-handedly publicly revealed that there were two nuclear submarines next to North Korea- and the collusion with Russia -the former CIA director revealed in a hearing that they know for a fact Moscow tried to recruit some of Trump's staff but they don't know if they succeeded.

The one of the day is how he shoved up the Montenegro representant ( which is a threat to putin) and then struck a mussolini pose

(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/e/ex/fark_exNhQ68rWh-wSJXU9-iW3QtE1bw.gif?t=u9tbg4-hxPBpMo8JnbS_8g&f=1496030400)
and how he had to be explained that he couldnt strike a deal with germany ELEVEN TIMES IN A ROW before he finally accepted the refusal

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4?r=UK&IR=T


Ofc if you are a well traveled thinker of our times you can just pay him for a photo with a personalized message. Thats a thing presidents do.
https://signedtrump.com/
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 26, 2017, 02:39:51 pm
pay him
Isn't that
Like
Illegal for him

(My favorite tweets on the Trump-Macron handshake are these ones
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidmackau/status/867729726907011073
https://mobile.twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/867731159643566081
)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Iced on May 26, 2017, 02:42:18 pm
whos gonna arrest him? You?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 26, 2017, 04:04:42 pm
I mean... It won't look pretty in the case the FBI is building against him.

(Speaking of Macron and Trudeau again, they've met just this afternoon in Sicilia, they've been talking alone, in gardens of roses and on a windy balcony over the sea, and the Internet is going absolutely bonkers over it with "we can't, Justin-sama" everywhere, it's awesome)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on May 27, 2017, 03:07:46 am
Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html)

Russian Once Tied to Trump Aide Seeks Immunity to Testify Before Congress (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/politics/oleg-deripaska-paul-manafort.html)

Senate Intel Committee demands Trump campaign to turn over all docs (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/335381-senate-intel-committee-demands-trump-campaign-to-turn-over-all?amp)

It's really hard to keep track of the news these days.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on May 27, 2017, 03:27:40 am
Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html)

Russian Once Tied to Trump Aide Seeks Immunity to Testify Before Congress (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/politics/oleg-deripaska-paul-manafort.html)

Senate Intel Committee demands Trump campaign to turn over all docs (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/335381-senate-intel-committee-demands-trump-campaign-to-turn-over-all?amp)

It's really hard to keep track of the news these days.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAB_K6sUwAASdAV.jpg)

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jango on May 27, 2017, 04:05:03 am
pay him
Isn't that
Like
Illegal for him
You do realize that's not actually something Trump does, right??? (the website says that it tries to mimic his handwriting)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on May 27, 2017, 04:25:37 am
I do not because I did not actually read it. I entirely assumed it to be real and it did not surprise me one bit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 27, 2017, 06:16:01 am
in some less important trump news, remember the 1k jobs he saved for carrier ? well

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/25/carrier-sends-jobs-to-mexico-workers-say-trump-misled-them?source=facebook&via=mobile

of course it was not his fault.

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Trump retaliated on Twitter. “Chuck Jones, who is President of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee country!” Trump tweeted of the local union leader, adding that “If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues.”
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Jmorphman on June 06, 2017, 01:56:24 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html
Trump Promotes Original ‘Travel Ban,’ Eroding His Legal Case said:
President Trump has excellent lawyers. They have a challenging client.

In a series of Twitter posts Monday morning, Mr. Trump may have irretrievably undermined his lawyers’ efforts to persuade the Supreme Court to reinstate his executive order limiting travel from six predominantly Muslim countries.

Saying he preferred “the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version” he had issued in March, Mr. Trump attacked both the Justice Department and the federal courts.
[...]
Last week, lawyers in the solicitor general’s office filed polished briefs in the Supreme Court. They urged the justices to ignore incendiary statements from Mr. Trump during the presidential campaign, including a call for a “Muslim ban.” The court should focus instead on the text of the revised executive order and statements from Mr. Trump after he had taken the inaugural oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution,” the briefs said.
:stare:

also The Intercept published a top secret NSA document about the Russian election hacking today, and barely an hour later the Justice Department announced charges had been filed against the leaker of said document: a 25-year old federal contractor named... Reality Winner?!?! (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-arrest-nsa-contractor-leak-top-secret-russia-document-n768561)

Reality Winner is a straight up Gundam character name, like Revive Revival, Allelujah Haptism, or Bring Stabbity.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: Byakko on June 08, 2017, 08:24:10 pm
Comey's hearing is over, and we've basically heard on records and under oath everything that the rumors / leaks said, namely :
- Trump invited Comey for dinner and asked for his allegiance, Comey responded he'd give his honesty
- Trump had people leave the room to be alone with Comey, and asked him to drop the Flynn investigation
- he outright proclaimed that the WH's justification for firing him (mishandling of the Clinton emails) is bullshit, and that he was fired for the Russia investigation
- he himself leaked his memos, which explains why everything he said was everything the rumors / leaks said, he's the one who said it all
He repeatedly evaded answering the "is that obstruction to justice" question saying "that's the job of the special prosecutor to answer that" while laying down the case for Trump's blatant corruption. Paul Ryan is already claiming Trump didn't know that was illegal, therefore there was no intention, therefore it's not corruption.
Trump's attorney released a statement denying everything, but the oath thing and the memos are making the "he said / he said" lean one way more than the other. Speaking of, Comey noted that Trump threatened to release tapes, and went "Lordy I hope there are tapes" and please do release them right now.

Obviously the Republicans tried to underline that it wasn't Trump's fault, that it wasn't a threat, that he didn't know, that he wasn't under investigation so there's nothing against him, and the Democrats simply repeated what Comey said to prove them wrong.

We're glossing over the fact that corrupted shitstain Jeff Session went political manipulative bullshit and suggested firing Comey under the pretense it was for the Clinton emails (even though he praised him for the very same reasons after the elections), but let's sink one turd at a time for now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: You're Fired! edition
Post by: walt on June 08, 2017, 10:23:22 pm
I tried to follow up the hearing on Twitter, but I kept getting all kinds of mixed signals and I really didn't understand if this meant a triumph and a step forward towards an impeachment trial.

The supporters on the right kept saying stuff like "Well, that does it, Comey is a liar and #Trump2020 !" and some stuff that Comey said that could misconstrue the objective of his testimony.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: Chronan on June 08, 2017, 11:51:02 pm
You can watch it, or just listen while you do something else, here (and pro-tip don't get political news, particularly on Trump or opinions off Twitter, right or left it's basically just retards):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yry9PV3DNfw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yry9PV3DNfw)

Effectively what this proved is Trump-Russia so far was just a masturbatory conspiracy theory by people who just wanted to see him destroyed (also the piss-gate dossier was effectively thrown on a drawer for obvious reasons), this was pretty much confirmed a week or 2 ago as well when Senators on both sides start saying Trump isn't subject to an investigation. He was, as expected and reconfirmed, not under investigation and never was. The only person under actual investigation was Flynn instead of every single person in Trumps administration who were likely checked and cleared. So no chance of impeachment here.

No Trump-related obstruction of the "Russian involvement in the election" investigation, nor the Flynn investigation, both of which were confirmed separate and unrelated investigations as well. The closest thing to obstruction claimed is Trump saying "Flynn is a good man and I hope you can let this go.". As a result Comey kept his people investigating away from Trump and didn't inform the investigators of Trump request out of frustration. He also made clear that Trump wanted Comey or the FBI to tell the media that he himself wasn't under investigation. Pretty much confirmed by the hearing that it wasn't obstruction, but you'll have lawyers on both sides beating their chest over it and ultimately doing nothing. So no chance of impeachment for obstruction, as no obstruction took place.

Trumps reason for firing Comey is still unclear. My personal guess, for what little it's worth, is Trump bitched out because Comey refused to publicly state that there is no investigation on Trump, to effectively counter the continual media firestorm on Trump's involvement with Putin/Russia (this was expressed in Comey's statement on the senate.gov site, don't remember if Trump's frustration was actually discussed in the hearing). Trump firing Comey, while poorly timed, is not being considered as an obstruction to the investigation either, that was made fairly clear at the first hearing Comey was absent from after the firing (you can find that recording on PBS News Hour as well) as well as other great videos depending on how interested you are in American politics and if you want the raw truth surrounding Trump and his administration on any given day instead of bullshit exaggerations and Reddit-grade pseudo psychological analysis on Trumps' tweets by WaPo writers (thinking back to Trump's tweets that were in actual agreement with Gen. McMaster's statement about military intel given to the Russians, but was spun into Trump throwing him under the bus as a fairly recent example of embarrassing journalism).

Anti-Trump idiots still want Trump impeached for essentially nothing.
Pro-Trump idiots want Comey/Clinton/and now Lynch in jail for essentially nothing.

What you can expect out of all this is nothing. You'll get blowhards in politics and the media calling for Trump/Flynn's head or Comey/Hilary's head and Trump-Russia will continuously be brought up as a concern against Trump thru the 2020 election cycle despite it being nothing more than a debunked conspiracy theory much like pissgate and pizzagate. But as of now it's all ultimately hollow and meaningless as far as change goes either for Trump or against Trump. All it helps illustrate is Trump is somewhat of a buffoon when it comes to his Presidential conduct which everyone knew, and Comey is was kind of an airhead which not everyone knew.

Oh you'll also have stories about "Trump expecting loyalty from his administration and the US govt" is bad, if they aren't up already. Despite it being pretty expected for a president to want his workers to be loyal and not seek to undermine him at every turn. Nothing out of line about that, but I'm expecting "loyalty" to be a bad word  for the next week just from the way things like to swing in US news.

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he outright proclaimed that the WH's justification for firing him (mishandling of the Clinton emails) is bullshit, and that he was fired for the Russia investigation
Simply not true at all.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: walt on June 08, 2017, 11:57:50 pm
The closest thing to obstruction claimed is Trump saying "Flynn is a good man and I hope you can let this go." which it wasn't. As a result Comey kept his people investigating away from Trump and didn't inform the investigators of Trump request out of frustration. He also made clear that Trump wanted Comey or the FBI to tell the media that he himself wasn't under investigation. Pretty much confirmed by the hearing that it wasn't obstruction, but you'll have lawyers on both sides beating their chest over it and ultimately doing nothing. So no chance of impeachment for obstruction, as no obstruction took place.
I think you should read this thread by an expert
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/872532952055513088

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(18) And under "Obstruction by Intimidation, Threats, Persuasion, or Deception (18 U.S.C. 1512 (b)), Trump DID "attempt to persuade" Comey.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: Byakko on June 09, 2017, 12:09:59 am
Effectively what this proved is Trump-Russia so far was just a masturbatory conspiracy theory by people who just wanted to see him destroyed (also the piss-gate dossier was effectively thrown on a drawer for obvious reasons), this was pretty much confirmed a week or 2 ago as well when Senators on both sides start saying Trump isn't subject to an investigation. He was, as expected and reconfirmed, not under investigation and never was. The only person under actual investigation was Flynn instead of every single person in Trumps administration who were likely checked and cleared. So no chance of impeachment here.
That's not what Comey said. He said Trump himself wasn't under investigation at the time, but his campaign staff was (starting with Flynn, but then it's been revealed in the last few months that it's moved to include others), and he made it pretty obvious that whoever takes over may very well take it all the way to the top if that's where it goes.
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The closest thing to obstruction claimed is Trump saying "Flynn is a good man and I hope you can let this go.".
... Well yeah, that's pretty much the entire case, did he tell him to let go or not. After asking him if he intended to keep his job. And making any witness leave the room. And then when Comey didn't, Trump fired him. That's the whole subject of the investigation, if he did that, it IS obstruction, that's the entire basis for a potential impeachment, that's why Comey leaked his memos and that's what the special prosecutor needs to rule on. Paul Ryan's defense on that part was claiming that Trump didn't know he wasn't allowed to do that. This part which you're trying to minimize for some reason is the entire grounds for impeachment.
Everyone, even the Republicans, agree that if it's true, it'll be terrible for Trump, but Republicans are trying to deflect on concluding whether he really said it or not.
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Oh you'll also have stories about "Trump expecting loyalty from his administration and the US govt" is bad, if they aren't up already. Despite it being pretty expected for a president to want his workers to be loyal and not seek to undermine him at every turn. Nothing out of line about that, but I'm expecting "loyalty" to be a bad word  for the next week just from the way things like to swing in US news.
Expecting loyalty, asking the chief of the FBI if he wants to keep his job, asking him to drop a case, and then firing him when he doesn't.
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he outright proclaimed that the WH's justification for firing him (mishandling of the Clinton emails) is bullshit, and that he was fired for the Russia investigation
Simply not true at all.
He detailed the confusion of the shifting explanations given to him for his firing, and that Trump's administration defamed him after the firing saying the bureau was "in disarray" and the workforce had "lost confidence in its leader". And he called out those "lies, plain and simple". And he straight up said he believes he was fired because of the Russia investigation. This is absolutely true.

And as for the Russia investigation, it's still going and Comey repeatedly said he couldn't comment on it because it was classified. Don't say there's nothing. There's an investigation, and it's serious.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: OZ on June 09, 2017, 05:40:32 am
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Oh you'll also have stories about "Trump expecting loyalty from his administration and the US govt" is bad, if they aren't up already. Despite it being pretty expected for a president to want his workers to be loyal and not seek to undermine him at every turn. Nothing out of line about that, but I'm expecting "loyalty" to be a bad word  for the next week just from the way things like to swing in US news.

only this isn't a business and comey was not trump's 'worker'
he was the head of the highest federal bureau of law enforcement; the one that was actively investigating (former)members of his staff

to say that this whole situation doesn't at the very least look 'very bad' is to live in a cartoon world
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: Byakko on June 12, 2017, 11:26:00 am
So Trump yelled that he was ready to testify under oath and mocked people that they'd be disappointed when looking for tapes of his conversations with Comey
And today, Maryland attorney general is filing a lawsuit against Trump about receiving payments from foreign powers through his companies.
Maybe that'll throw a wrench in his "drain the swamp" support, knowing that Republicans are unlikely to impeach him as long as he still has "his base".
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: walt on June 12, 2017, 05:14:19 pm
Some sources to back this up ^

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Attorneys general for the District of Columbia and the state of Maryland sued President Trump on Monday, alleging that he has violated anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution by accepting millions in payments and benefits from foreign governments since moving into the White House.

The lawsuit, the first of its kind brought by government entities, centers on the fact that Trump chose to retain ownership of his company when he became president. Trump said in January that he was shifting his business assets into a trust managed by his sons to eliminate potential conflicts of interests.

But D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) and Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D) say Trump has broken many promises to keep separate his public duties and private business interests. For one, his son Eric Trump has said the president would continue to receive regular updates about his company’s financial health.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-and-maryland-to-sue-president-trump-alleging-breach-of-constitutional-oath/2017/06/11/0059e1f0-4f19-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/12/us/trump-lawsuit-private-businesses.html?_r=0
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: Xhominid on June 12, 2017, 11:21:52 pm
So Trump yelled that he was ready to testify under oath and mocked people that they'd be disappointed when looking for tapes of his conversations with Comey
And today, Maryland attorney general is filing a lawsuit against Trump about receiving payments from foreign powers through his companies.
Maybe that'll throw a wrench in his "drain the swamp" support, knowing that Republicans are unlikely to impeach him as long as he still has "his base".

I heard that was the exact thing that required Nixon to be impeached in general. If they don't have that "smoking gun", all of this will be a massive wash since the Republicans will always pretend that it isn't enough.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: Person Man on June 12, 2017, 11:35:25 pm
Trump's Muslim ban has once again been struck down by the courts. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-travel-ban-blocked-9th-circuit-muslim-majority-countries-latest-a7786706.html)

Poor little fella had his feelings so hurt that he had to get all of his friends together in one room and make them take turns praising him on camera (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-cabinet-meeting-praise-camera-article-1.3241628) so that everybody still knows how much everybody loves him.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: Liar Liar! edition
Post by: Byakko on June 13, 2017, 02:17:45 pm
Hey, remember Kellyanne "alternative facts" Conway ?
A Twitter account KellyanneLeaks showed up posting pictures of her at an embassy party, chatting with reporters (washington post etc.) coming and going for an hour, quoting her talk about Trump ordering her to tell the press "Comey will have to wait and see for the tapes" to hype it up, and she chose to turn that into "no comment" on her own twitter. And then she mocked Priebus telling the staff to not leak WH conversations.
Kellyanne denied everything on Fox News, saying the press would be nicer if she were the leaker. Except she hasn't been the center of attention for a while, it sounds like she wants the spotlight again. Sean claims the press misunderstood the friendly atmosphere at the WH.

In other news, the Public Theater company played a version of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar with Caesar as a blond businessman in a suit with a Slavic wife and his killers as women and minorities. Fox News, Trump Jr. complained to its sponsors, who pulled out.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: COVFEFE Act edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 13, 2017, 03:30:26 pm
So remember Covfefe? Apparently we now know its an acronym for the Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically For Engagement Act; a new bill that would classify Trump's tweets as presidential records and thus legally prevent him from deleting them if passed (http://nypost.com/2017/06/12/covfefe-act-would-make-trumps-tweets-official-records/).

Also one of Trump's business partners is claiming that Trump is considering firing the special prosecutor assigned to handle the Russia investigation (http://nypost.com/2017/06/12/trump-pal-says-president-is-considering-firing-robert-mueller/).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political Sitcom MAGAthread: COVFEFE Act edition
Post by: Byakko on June 13, 2017, 03:38:34 pm
Apparently we now know its an acronym
Well, it wasn't, but a Democrat made one up for shit 'n giggles and ran with it for the buzz.
Also I'm still convinced that Trump screwed up and didn't bother, his comm team was asleep, they woke up 6 hours later, saw the tweet, deleted it, and decided "fuck it, let's make a joke out of it".
Also one of Trump's business partners is claiming that Trump is considering firing the special prosecutor assigned to handle the Russia investigation (http://nypost.com/2017/06/12/trump-pal-says-president-is-considering-firing-robert-mueller/).
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The ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Democrat Adam Schiff, responded forcefully by saying Mueller would be brought back “immediately.”
... If he's firing the prosecutor, can't you just assume there's a reason and already determine that this absolutely IS an obstruction of justice and be done with the entire issue ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 26, 2017, 05:25:29 pm
Surpreme Court partially lifted the injunctions against Trump's travel ban, will make a final decision on the ban this October (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40409490)

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The US Supreme Court has partially lifted an injunction against President Donald Trump's travel ban. America's highest court also granted an emergency request from the White House allowing part of the refugee ban to go into effect. The justices said they would consider in October whether Mr Trump's policy should be upheld or struck down. The Supreme Court said in Monday's ruling: "In practical terms, this means that [the executive order] may not be enforced against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States. All other foreign nationals are subject to the provisions of [the executive order]."

The court said it could not uphold lower court injunctions barring enforcement of the ban against foreigners who have no connection to the United States at all. "Denying entry to such a foreign national does not burden any American party by reason of that party's relationship with the foreign national," the court said. Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch wrote in the ruling that they would have allowed the travel ban to go into full effect, pending a review.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban
Post by: Foobs on July 05, 2017, 03:36:36 pm
Can you imagine waking up one day and finding out the POTUS shared a shitpost from yours on Twitter?

(https://archive.is/o7izm/eab150156b2df7b447b72954965cebe16a10a24c.jpg)

...and can you imagine having to apologize and delete your internet footprint or be doxed by an assblasted news outlet?

Well, ledditor HanAssholeSolo doesn't have to, he's already experienced it.

CNN's Original article (https://archive.is/o7izm)

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CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

Andrew Kaczynski, author of this journalistic masterpiece, is doing damage control on twitter:

(http://i.imgur.com/l8eL3Qy.png)

Besides Han Solo being over 15 I don't believe any of this shit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban
Post by: Iced on July 05, 2017, 03:49:37 pm
would you really want the people in your daily life to know that you went online to post things like:

https://imgur.com/a/hfUAo


even if it was "for the lols"?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban
Post by: Foobs on July 05, 2017, 04:14:10 pm
Him being a racist hick doesn't make CNN's actions any better. It'd be equally wrong if a right wing news outlet hunted down for some random SJW posting about how he hates all white straight males on tumblr and threatened to dox him if he didn't apologize and refrain form posting stupid shit on the internet forever. Witch hunts are bad regardless of who leads them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban
Post by: Xhominid on July 05, 2017, 04:57:02 pm
Him being a racist hick doesn't make CNN's actions any better. It'd be equally wrong if a right wing news outlet hunted down for some random SJW posting about how he hates all white straight males on tumblr and threatened to dox him if he didn't apologize and refrain form posting stupid shit on the internet forever. Witch hunts are bad regardless of who leads them.

This. It's one thing if normal people decided to go beyond the call of duty and pull this shit because atleast it's human nature to do so. For a Multi-Billion dollar corporation to not only to allow this to happen but even present it as front page news...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban
Post by: Niitris on July 05, 2017, 05:08:14 pm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/27/donald-trump-charges-fake-news-after-cnn-producer-/

Around last week, a video from Project Veritas was uploaded where one of CNN's employees said that the whole Trump-Russia narrative is good for ratings, doesn't believe there's any strong evidence, that business comes before ethics in journalism, and that their audience would be turned off if they had given the same treatment to Obama. And that was a day before they had retracted a story about well, Trump and Russia. And before these recent events. Video in question. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE)

And then CNN wants to wonder why they're losing people's trust.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 05, 2017, 11:53:42 pm
I trust CNN far more then Assclown O'Keefe and his little one man plan to make big bucks off of it's corpse because he's an Anti-American scumbag.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: StormEX on July 06, 2017, 12:44:36 am
Personally I wouldn't have apologized to fake news, CNN. From what I understand, they blackmailed the guy, and tried to justify it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 06, 2017, 12:54:08 am
There's no indication anywhere that CNN actually got in touch with the guy before the apology and the scrubbing (they say they attempted to contact him). I'd like to understand where you guys are fishing the idea that they threatened him first, other than your collective asses. It looks like the scrubbing happened after all his posts were spread around to show the kind of threads he posted in and the kind of comments he made - and after he realized that CNN and everyone else could find out his identity. That's not CNN's fault. Then he's the one who contacted them and confirmed his identity.
You guys are reversing the order of events and just generally making shit up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 06, 2017, 02:31:23 am
On the topic of the whole Trump CNN Blackmail thing, the whole controversy went viral on Reddit as a whole, especially in the KotakuInAction subbreddit, where the thread about the event exploded in upvotes:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6lb3m2/cnn_is_threatening_a_private_citizen_with/

I do not foresee this event slowing down at all. If anything, it will gain in steam as I do recall /pol/ (both on 4chan and 8chan) is going on a war path against CNN over CNN's actions

As for the whole event: I really strongly disapprove CNN and it's behavior in this matter. As a general rule of thumb, I dislike any doxxing action or threat of such action with the intent to intimidate, bully, blackmail, or coerce anyone into silence. The fact that CNN the massive news organization did this to a single person over an ultimately harmless .gif (no, I do not consider a .gif where Trump is beating up a CNN-logo-headed Vince McMahon as a call to violence against media personnel) only highlights their pettiness and wickedness.

Not to mention, they are being very hypocritical. After all, CNN and the rest of the mainstream media has been blasting Trump and his supporters for months now and sometimes with more graphical satire (the while beheaded Trump pic comes to mind). Now, we have an instance where CNN was the subject of some satire and they decide to bully and intimidate the creator of the gif.

Guess they can dish it but can't take it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Titiln on July 06, 2017, 04:41:37 am
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CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.
this is the line that's worrying most people. nobody really cares this much when this happens to authorities, celebrities or criminals, but when it happens to common people, common people worry because they know they might be next
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Xhominid on July 06, 2017, 06:31:01 am
There's no indication anywhere that CNN actually got in touch with the guy before the apology and the scrubbing (they say they attempted to contact him). I'd like to understand where you guys are fishing the idea that they threatened him first, other than your collective asses. It looks like the scrubbing happened after all his posts were spread around to show the kind of threads he posted in and the kind of comments he made - and after he realized that CNN and everyone else could find out his identity. That's not CNN's fault. Then he's the one who contacted them and confirmed his identity.
You guys are reversing the order of events and just generally making shit up.

And I don't see where your point stands at all.

Even if they are correct and they called him and he confirmed it, actually READ what they put up on their own page:

"CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.
"

How in the hell is this not blackmail or coercion?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 06, 2017, 09:18:53 am
Because he said that before they even talked to him ?? How do you coerce someone into doing something he already did before you could meet him
He (rightfully) got scared on his own when he realized everyone could figure out who he was.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 06, 2017, 01:46:20 pm
Because he said that before they even talked to him ?? How do you coerce someone into doing something he already did before you could meet him
He (rightfully) got scared on his own when he realized everyone could figure out who he was.

It is de facto coercion. Prior to Wedensday's article, CNN was frequently telling its audience that HanAssholeSolo was a bad person and that he is advocating for violence against journalists. I am willing to bet that there will be many people out there that believes all what CNN told them and is willing to take action against HanAssholeSolo if they only knew key identifying information, like name, address, phone number, email, etc. And from the events that we have seen in recent times, the things that they might do to him will be ugly.

So when CNN tried to contact HanAssholeSolo, he got spooked because he realized that the massive and powerful news organization that he satirized in the .gif found out who he was, does not like him, and has the power to dox him on a scale involving potentially millions of viewers. It does not take a genius to figure out the potential consequences of this scenario and what CNN could do to ruin his life. What CNN wants to do in their attempts to contact him? We do not really know, but we can make a few good guesses with the clues we get from that article, from tone to what was actually written. What really seals the deal is this single sentence:

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CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

When I see that sentence, I am thinking that CNN is threatening HanAssholeSolo to not make any more materials mocking CNN (or the mainstream media by extension) or else they will ruin his life by doxing him. I also think that their intentions when they tried to reach out to HanAssholeSolo on Monday are malevolent in nature.

Congrats CNN, you look just like the Mafia now, and not in a good way.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 06, 2017, 02:08:50 pm
how is any of this CNN's fault ? The guy posted stuff that CNN didn't like and apparently anyone who looks through the guy's posts can figure out who he is. He got scared of that but CNN didn't actually do anything. Comparing that to the mafia just because CNN did their job (because that's what any decent journalist does all the time regardless of who's involved, woop de doo big news) and did what anyone else could do is just plain bullshit.
The "CNN reserves the right etc." bit is shitty but that's basically saying they didn't make any agreement with the guy. It was about something he already did, in case he backpedals. That's no different from any other legal disclaimer, because this IS a news site, not a mafia.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Iced on July 06, 2017, 03:30:18 pm
The only thing that cnn did that seems distasteful is saying they would reserve the right to release the name if he resumes the behaviour, might as well just do it..


I dont know how pikachu guy and the others are freaking out over them "demanding apologies", its very obvious the guy figured out he was easily identified when cnn tried to contact him and started apologising and deleting his "LOLLLLL joooking about the genocide you guys" posts when he realized that anyone could tell who he was.

I would expect that if dnz had been posting about wanting to kill black people on a forum and he realized he had linked his facebook he would delete the posts and apologize without the need for cnn to ask him for an interview about his views regarding killing black people.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 06, 2017, 03:43:51 pm
How can you say pikachu guy is freaking out when I've never seen him respond so calmly or coherently?!!!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 06, 2017, 04:09:03 pm
Yeah, that was freaking me out, actually.
(But yeah, I agree with Iced)
Also, a reminder of how the press works : if someone insults them, they don't attack him, they'll try to invite him. They want audience, not personal insults.
You may be confusing general press with Fox News.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Do not even ask on July 06, 2017, 04:48:25 pm
The only thing that cnn did that seems distasteful is saying they would reserve the right to release the name if he resumes the behaviour, might as well just do it..

It's poorly worded but it's clearly there in case "HanAssholeSolo" goes on to do something criminal (assault, murder, etc). Kind of have to lift the veil and connect the criminal actions to their history of Islamophobia and Antisemitism if relevant.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Foobs on July 06, 2017, 05:06:08 pm
how is any of this CNN's fault ? The guy posted stuff that CNN didn't like and apparently anyone who looks through the guy's posts can figure out who he is. He got scared of that but CNN didn't actually do anything. Comparing that to the mafia just because CNN did their job (because that's what any decent journalist does all the time regardless of who's involved, woop de doo big news) and did what anyone else could do is just plain bullshit.
The "CNN reserves the right etc." bit is shitty but that's basically saying they didn't make any agreement with the guy. It was about something he already did, in case he backpedals. That's no different from any other legal disclaimer, because this IS a news site, not a mafia.
Well, we can believe:

1) CNN was investigating this out journalistic curiosity and that they don't resent the wrestling video and aren't starved for anything to make Trump or his voters look bad (2 scoops of ice cream!) and wouldn't totally love to publish something actually hurts them for once, that they haven't jumped at every chance to push the narrative of all Trump voters being racist, antisemic, homophobic, etc. no matter how ridiculous or petty it might be (racist Pepes), that the ominous wording on the article is totally non-threatening, that Kaczynski's original tweet didn't imply he was involved in the apology at all and his subsequent tweets aren't pretty convenient damage control at all

OR

2) You can believe a douchebag backed by billionaire company with a transparent (and reciprocal) hatred of Trump thought he could get away by intimidating a racist hick Tennessee with a cancerous internet footprint and call it journalism.

I find the second option easier to believe.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Iced on July 06, 2017, 05:16:21 pm
Assuming that they are somehow "hurt" over a joke gif is weirder than anything else.

seems far more likely that they were contacting everyone involved, thats how news agencies work when they are trying to corroborate something.

Hick claimed he made the thing, they looked at his account found his contact and asked him for comment, he freaked out and deleted everything, issued an apology. <= thats what he says happened, thats what they say happened, theres no reason to believe something more complicated happened.

The weird shit is all in the "we reserve the right to release his name", that sounds like a threat, even if they meant it as "if he goes ahead and starts killing black people as he tells people to do online we will connect the stories".

Reporters want news, its far more interesting to them to try to get news out of everything related to that than to go around threatening hicks to apologise OR ELSE.

Really feels like a massive stretch to think thats whats going on.


Weirding me out the most are the people going : "who here never wrote at length about how they want jews and blacks dead while they thought they were anonymous throw the first stone"

Is anyone really just accidentally making dozens and dozens of racist threats? Thats not really supposed to be something that just happens, regardless of the whole cnn situation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Erroratu on July 06, 2017, 05:17:31 pm
CNN is most definetly on the bad side here
They're holding another persons private informations hostage and are threatening to fuck up his life cause he made a meme
A meme where he just put CNNs logo on Vince McMahons face.

When Zox tried to hold another persons personal information hostage he got banned here and got called a giant asshole
You cant fucking defend CNN for this
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Titiln on July 06, 2017, 05:24:44 pm
Weirding me out the most are the people going : "who here never wrote at length about how they want jews and blacks dead while they thought they were anonymous throw the first stone"
for the sake of the argument just replace making very racist posts with a wide array of things that could be considered bad or embarrassing

ken bone got shit for saying he saw jennifer lawrence's asshole and liked it
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Niitris on July 06, 2017, 05:58:18 pm
Why were they looking for the guy to begin with? It was another chance to make the president and his supporters look bad. Oddly, it would've worked just fine had they not decided it was worth looking for the identity of a racist shitposter. They should've left it at ripping Trump for reposting that. It's Kotaku-level journalism, and puts in perspective to that O'Keefe video about "business before ethics."

I have no sympathy for anything being taken out of context in respect to CNN, or the massive ridicule they're now facing, because they could've avoided the whole thing in the first place. No amount of logistical fact-checking changes this horrid lapse in judgement.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 06, 2017, 06:24:37 pm
They're holding another persons private informations hostage and are threatening to fuck up his life cause he made a meme
You seem to be missing the part where he made videos about wanting to shoot people for their color or religion or whatever and he deleted that when he freaked out and said he wouldn't do it again, and they basically said they'd check if he started doing those things again
Because, you know, those things he was doing
It's illegal
They could've immediately released his name to the police. They explained exactly why they didn't do that. And then they added that they would still do it if he started doing all this again.

Why were they looking for the guy to begin with?
Because they all do that for everyone. This should be obvious, why are you having such a hard time getting that. Why are you being paranoid over this, why are you drawing such weird conclusions like that
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Iced on July 06, 2017, 06:44:47 pm
Why were they looking for the guy to begin with? It was another chance to make the president and his supporters look bad. Oddly, it would've worked just fine had they not decided it was worth looking for the identity of a racist shitposter. They should've left it at ripping Trump for reposting that. It's Kotaku-level journalism, and puts in perspective to that O'Keefe video about "business before ethics."

I have no sympathy for anything being taken out of context in respect to CNN, or the massive ridicule they're now facing, because they could've avoided the whole thing in the first place. No amount of logistical fact-checking changes this horrid lapse in judgement.

We literally discussed this on the discord chat yesterday and you were explained that journalists look up all identified parts in a story.
Dude claimed to be the creator, they contacted him to verify it.
At that point he realized that all his post history of wanting to kill jews and black people was linked to his real life identity and started playing prevention.

 This isnt a big riddle to think over, its as straight up as it gets.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Niitris on July 06, 2017, 07:06:17 pm
Most people didn't care about who the gif creator was. Even with him saying "yeah I did it," it wasn't anything worth exploring to the level they did.

It's hardly paranoia. More perplexed at how someone from an international news firm thought it'd be good for the company image, to look for the guy who created the gif. And proceed to say what amounts to "don't do it again or else."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 06, 2017, 07:25:37 pm
Most people didn't care about who the gif creator was.
Okay so you just don't know how media works. You could have just said so from the start.
And proceed to say what amounts to "don't do it again or else."
You mean "don't do those racist, antisemitic calls for mass murder / apology or else" ? Again, they could have taken that info and gone straight to the police with it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Titiln on July 06, 2017, 07:52:19 pm
the story of who made the shitty gif is overshadowed 200x by the fact that the president of the united states of america posted an animation of himself beating up cnn
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Niitris on July 06, 2017, 07:56:47 pm
CNN should of left it at ripping Trump for reposting it, not like most people weren't criticizing him for it. Going after a redditor for saying "I made it" wasn't a good idea but the outcome kinda speaks for itself there. :P
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: SNT on July 07, 2017, 11:33:35 am
In the meantime, here's what extortion ACTUALLY looks like.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/white-house-if-cnn-bashes-trump-trump-may-block-merger.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Xhominid on July 07, 2017, 08:44:25 pm
In the meantime, here's what extortion ACTUALLY looks like.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/white-house-if-cnn-bashes-trump-trump-may-block-merger.html

One wrong doesn't make another right...
And I don't feel sorry for CNN in the slightest for this.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 07, 2017, 08:50:24 pm
One wrong
I think you're confused, you mean 50 million wrongs for Trump. But yeah, let's focus on CNN.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Snakebyte on July 07, 2017, 09:04:59 pm
I am absolutely gobsmacked that even Byakko is defending CNN.

Holy shit, humanity. Stop it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: walt on July 08, 2017, 12:29:59 am
Wow, there really is no middle ground. You either want Trump dead, or you're riding dat deek 24/7
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Niitris on July 08, 2017, 02:28:21 am
Blocking the merger is completely in line if it's deemed as anti-competition. Trump is playing hardball in an immature manner (shocking), but not extortion.

The problem is some people who "want him dead" try to find any little thing to validify their comfirmation bias. Anyone who shows neutrality or mild support is put on the same level as mindless drones.

With the many people who disapprove of him, there's bound to be people seeking chances to rip him or his supporters for any misstep. Including inside our media outlets. And it becomes a real problem when it begins to effect the quality of journalism.

Even if what the CNN writer did was completely legal, a conglomerate rep obtaining a redditor's identity is pretty damn Orwellian. Regardless if his info was kept private or not. That's part of the reason why people were criticizing them, there's really not much that can be defended here. Unless you think it's okay for police to get invovled because someone said mean things on the internet. (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html) edit: looking into legitimate threats and coertion is fine, but what classifies as hate speech has the potential to be misused or done incorrectly.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Iced on July 08, 2017, 08:59:58 pm
  it becomes a real problem when it begins to effect the quality of journalism.

 Unless you think it's okay for police to get invovled because someone said mean things on the internet. (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html) edit: looking into legitimate threats and coertion is fine, but what classifies as hate speech has the potential to be misused or done incorrectly.


Sending out threats and talking about wanting to kill people are not "MEAN posts" and yeah police gets involved over far less


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-threatened-shoot-exchange-100-retweets-cops-article-1.1721754
https://www.dailydot.com/news/queen-demetriax-american-airlines-twitter/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-with-bong-picture-sparks-outrage-mother-investigated-say-reports/


People have been arrested over stuff like this and so would you be if you were caught doing stuff like that.

And guess what. The guy that was doing it KNEW he was  likely to get fucked up over his threats and thats precisely why he imediately started trying to make up for it. It boggles the mind how you cant understand it.
You gone from "they were Offended with his meme" to " they had no reason to contact him" to "he dindu nothing" to "mean things on the net shouldnt involve the police"

---

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/trump-putin-press-journalists-meeting-russia-president-points-which-ones-insulting-you-a7830046.html


Awww they are bonding over wanting journalists dead
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Chronan on July 08, 2017, 09:41:20 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/trump-putin-press-journalists-meeting-russia-president-points-which-ones-insulting-you-a7830046.html
Awww they are bonding over wanting journalists dead
What?

  it becomes a real problem when it begins to effect the quality of journalism.

 Unless you think it's okay for police to get invovled because someone said mean things on the internet. (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html) edit: looking into legitimate threats and coertion is fine, but what classifies as hate speech has the potential to be misused or done incorrectly.
Sending out threats and talking about wanting to kill people are not "MEAN posts" and yeah police gets involved over far less
They aren't as bad as you are implying here and those links you posted are a pretty big extreme bomb theating a corporate airline or posting pictures of a rifle out your window and tweeting "I'll shoot a cop for retweets" whether a joke or not carry real weight to them, both imply a direct and serious threat.
I know in some parts of the UK calling a woman a cunt on Twitter is enough grounds to be investigated by the cyberreal police. In the US the police/FBI/etc will generally only get seriously involved if their is provable intent behind the "death threats", can't speak for what the autismal redditor said himself. That's why the old GamerGate death threats back in 2014 went nowhere. Not saying either this or they were "okay" in doing it, not is Niitris. Theres a reason why 10s of thousands of people haven't been arrested, investigated, or even contacted by the secret service for threatening to assassinate/kill Trump, or the many more tens of thousands who just which death upon him. Many of these tards not even hiding behind anonymity. This all despite Trump being a fascist Hitler clone who silences dissent according to some retards.

You're both arguing different points anyway here, he's talking about out of control seemingly Orwellian media which is disconcerting because CNN has implied blackmailing the guy out of their own kindness, and in their coverage of all things Trump and politics is demonstrably full of shit. Trump isn't necessarily in the wrong when he calls CNN specifically fake, outside of the fact it's not something a President should be whinging about on Twitter.
On the other hand your talking about the line crossed when it should be normal for police to get involved for bad tweets/posts/comments on social media.

Not saying Reddit guy is in the right, nor have I seen how bad his death threat(s) were, but it sounds like two different levels if shit to the point that "and yeah police gets involved over far less" sounds like you don't understand the severity of those threats or implications of the pictures in the photos, or what to expect when you threaten an airline in post-9/11 USA. Obvious joke or not, you can not threaten an airline anymore like you can the President, and expect to walk away with out some shit coming at you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Titiln on July 08, 2017, 10:04:54 pm
hanassholesolo's posts
https://imgur.com/a/hfUAo

they're pretty bad but not worse than anything in those three links
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Niitris on July 08, 2017, 10:17:03 pm
The guy that was doing it KNEW he was  likely to get fucked up over his threats and thats precisely why he imediately started trying to make up for it.

Except he wasn't threatening anyone. Making gross troll posts =/= threatening or harassment. He was afraid of being embarassed. CNN would look even worse if they learned of someone openly intimidating others and didn't reveal who he was.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Dumanios on July 11, 2017, 09:07:00 pm
Donald Trump's son Donald Trump Jr met with Russian agents to get dirt on Hillary. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2017, 10:01:48 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdxtzEW0AAV3VF.jpg)
We are living in the dumbest possible universe.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Do not even ask on July 12, 2017, 04:27:49 am
We are living in the dumbest possible universe.

Wait until The Rock wins the 2020 election before saying that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: R565 on July 12, 2017, 05:18:34 am
I have no words.....this is just so damn stupid, even calling it stupid is an insult.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Foobs on July 12, 2017, 05:32:04 am
We are living in the dumbest possible universe.
Wait until The Rock wins the 2020 election before saying that.
FiveThirtyEight says Kanye has a 71.4% chance of winning.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Niitris on July 15, 2017, 03:02:47 am
Progress
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/828844/isis-leader-Afghanistan-abu-sayed-terror-group-baghdadi

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Abu Sayed was confirmed dead following a strike on the terror cult’s headquarters in Kunar province. The Pentagon today revealed the emir was killed on Tuesday as US forces decimate the jihadis in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

Sayed's death marks the third time an ISIS-K leader has been killed within a year. Hafiz Sayed Khan was killed in July 2016 and Abdul Hasib was killed during a joint US-Afghan commando raid in April. The news comes just days after ISIS confirmed that leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had been killed. The Russian Defence Ministry reported in June that the IS leader and 30 gunman had been killed by a Russian airstrip in Syria in May. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/827254/Islamic-state-Deash-al-Baghdadi-leader-dead-Mosul) However, other reports claim that he was killed during a US bombing in Iraq.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trump vs CNN live on SmackDown
Post by: Byakko on July 15, 2017, 04:11:04 pm
Quote
The Russian Defence Ministry reported in June that the IS leader and 30 gunman had been killed by a Russian airstrip in Syria in May. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/827254/Islamic-state-Deash-al-Baghdadi-leader-dead-Mosul) However, other reports claim that he was killed during a US bombing in Iraq.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Tuesday they had information straight from high ranking ISIS people that he was dead, but that claim has been made several times then proven wrong, and Washington is still saying they can't confirm that, they're cautious about it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 21, 2017, 04:14:45 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.dc7c61829c66

Trump is now looking into avenues to pardon himself, family members, and close staff targeted by the Russia investigation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 21, 2017, 06:22:10 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.dc7c61829c66

Trump is now looking into avenues to pardon himself, family members, and close staff targeted by the Russia investigation.

Wouldn't this be interference with the investigation?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Byakko on July 21, 2017, 09:23:09 am
I'm sure he can pardon himself and his buddies from anything, like high treason and genocide and crimes against humanity. I mean, what's the point of being a king president if you can't ?
And who's gonna tell him no anyway ? Not the Republicans, senators or supreme court or voters, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Bob8644 on July 21, 2017, 06:14:46 pm
Sean Spicer has resigned.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718658/amp/Sean-Spicer-resigns-White-House-Press-Secretary.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718658/amp/Sean-Spicer-resigns-White-House-Press-Secretary.html)

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Sean Spicer has resigned as White House Press Secretary.

The move came just moments after President Trump offered New York financier Anthony Scaramucci the job of communications director.

Spicer is vacating his position just six months and one day after he first stood at the podium and made his controversial remarks about the size of President Trump's inauguration crowd.

I don't know what I expected.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Dumanios on July 23, 2017, 04:08:06 pm
Sean Spicer the type of guy to steal a fridge. (http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-spicer-allegedly-swiped-a-mini-fridge-from-an-office-of-junior-staffers-2017-7)

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A few weeks into his new job, The Journal said, Spicer asked his aide to go to the executive office building located near the White House and tell junior staffers to send him their mini-fridge.

The staffers reportedly refused to do so. As a result, Spicer was forced to wait until the evening, when the staffers had all left, and was "spotted by a fellow White House official lugging the icebox down the White House driveway after 8 p.m.," The Journal reported. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Byakko on July 23, 2017, 05:24:54 pm
Speaking of Anthony Scaramucci, who just deleted a bunch of anti-Trump tweets and put out a "full transparency" disclaimer (what he calls "erasing all compromising material") about it, here's the aforementioned compromising tweets :
https://twitter.com/CJPatruno/status/888892322230013952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro gun control, anti death penalty, climate change advocate, anti Muslim ban, he donated for Obama's and Clinton's campaigns, and now he's dircom for Trump and defends him ? Just... what the fuck happened.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: MAO11 on July 23, 2017, 08:34:35 pm
he's just a yes man to whoever is on top. most politicians are like that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Person Man on July 26, 2017, 12:29:34 am
Speaking in front of a crowd of tens of thousands of children at the Boy Scout Jamboree, Donald Trump starting rambling about how great it is to be so rich that you can have crazy, drug-fueled sex on a yacht.  He then proceeded to force the children to chant for him while reminding them how dangerous disloyalty could be. 

http://www.avclub.com/article/donald-trump-makes-boy-scouts-chant-him-regales-th-258535

So now I guess he can check "youth indoctrination" off on his wannabe dictator checklist.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 26, 2017, 12:45:16 am
That was creepy. Bad enough that he still gets a hard on for Election Night, but to do this crap at the Boy Scouts Jamboree?

I hope the parents told them to ignore the Cunt-in-Chief.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I beg your Pardon? edition
Post by: Foobs on July 26, 2017, 06:38:23 pm
President Trump reinstates transgender ban on the military (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-military-idUSKBN1AB1TM)

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would not permit transgender people to serve in the U.S. military, citing "tremendous medical costs and disruption," an action condemned by critics as "raw prejudice" and a political stunt.

[...]"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump wrote in a series of Twitter posts.

"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail," the Republican president wrote.

Trump's action appeared to halt years of efforts to eliminate barriers to military service based on sexual orientation. The Pentagon last year under Obama announced that it was ending its ban on transgender people serving openly in the military, with officials calling the prohibition outdated.

[...]The Pentagon had been expected to start allowing transgender people to begin enlisting this year, provided they had been "stable" in their preferred gender for 18 months. But Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on June 30 approved a six-month delay in allowing transgender recruits to join the military.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: R565 on July 26, 2017, 07:30:10 pm
God. Fricking. Dang. It does smell like a stunt to me, why now he does this is really fishy.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 26, 2017, 10:14:14 pm
Remember, he's not like all the other Republicans, he's so LGBT friendly!

Remember, he held up a pride flag one time!

Remember, he was actually way better than Hillary on LGBT issues, because the real danger LGBT Americans have to worry about is, uh, ISIS, cuz all the domestic issues are sorted out.

Remember, this isn't actually a big deal at all, so stop complaining.

Trans rights are human rights.

@MattBellassai said:
transgender people show more courage when they leave their fucking houses in the morning than donald trump has shown his entire life
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Byakko on July 26, 2017, 10:30:01 pm
Trump doesn't understand the first thing about any of those issues, he's just repeating what some hateful assholes tell him about how 10000 trans people cost too much in an army of 1.3 million people.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Person Man on July 26, 2017, 11:18:20 pm
Luckily, Trump isn't the god emperor he seems to think he is, and can't rule by decree.  It seems like no actual legal or executive action has actually taken place yet, and even if it did it get shut down immediately.  Both the Dems and the GOP have all pretty much immediately come out against this.

That orange trash bag full of dog shit is only doing this because he realizes his days are numbered and he's desperately trying to win back what few supporters he has left by pandering to whatever hateful, ignorant bullshit he thinks will get people talking about him more.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Erroratu on July 27, 2017, 01:21:20 am
>Gay people allowed into the US Military but Trans people are not
Donald Trump confirms traps are not gay
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 27, 2017, 03:16:33 am
It seems like no actual legal or executive action has actually taken place yet, and even if it did it get shut down immediately.  Both the Dems and the GOP have all pretty much immediately come out against this.
They'll tut-tut and issues statements of disapproval, and then proceed to continue about their usual business.

Like with every other time something like this has happened with regards to Trump.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 27, 2017, 06:44:05 am
They'll tut-tut and issues statements of disapproval, and then proceed to continue about their usual business.

Like with every other time something like this has happened with regards to Trump.

Exactly. This has the makings of a distraction... with everything else going on, what better idea for him then to throw yet another dead cat on the table and run (although, from the way he looks... running might not be possible).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Niitris on July 27, 2017, 10:46:38 am
Donnie was a proponent of repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, so it's not like he has no awareness of the matter. Of course, getting him to agree that his archenemy Obama did something good... lol. It's pandering to the military to get in their good graces, he'll need all the support he can find for 2020. Unless the Dems manage to poot on themselves again.

And needless to say that this is awful. Some people thought the world would end when DADT was repealed, it didn't. Neither would allowing a tiny fraction of the populace to serve the country.

And great financial justification, now excuse them while they continue to spend millions a year on Viagra.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Byakko on July 27, 2017, 11:00:10 am
Donnie was a proponent of repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, so it's not like he has no awareness of the matter.
It's looking pretty likely right now that he already didn't understand a thing and was just saying controversial things to get attention and support from at least one side.
It's just that he switched sides now, because he never was on either side, he neither cares nor understands the issue, it's just a point on a checklist.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Dumanios on July 27, 2017, 08:47:16 pm
The Department of Justice has weighed in against workplace protections for homosexuals. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/nyregion/justice-department-gays-workplace.html)


I thought Trump was gonna protect the LGBT community? (https://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/hm.gif)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on Transgenders edition
Post by: Snakebyte on July 27, 2017, 08:52:08 pm
Really?

Quote
“The sole question here is whether, as a matter of law, Title VII reaches sexual orientation discrimination,” the brief said. “It does not, as has been settled for decades. Any efforts to amend Title VII’s scope should be directed to Congress rather than the courts.”

If laws are being abused to 'protect the LGBT community' and branches of government are taking powers that they shouldn't have, this is wrong, and supercedes any particular goal you're trying to achieve. The process of making laws and the integrity of the overall system is the most important thing, because if it can be abused to favor your cause, it can be abused to favor another when the opposite party gets in.

It's incredibly dishonest to frame this as an attack on gay people.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2017, 12:07:27 am
Give us all a fucking break. How the fuck can you sit there and pretend it's NOT an attack on queer people? The interpretation of Title VII has always been broader than just a literal definition of "discrimination based on sex", and the courts have been readily affirming that "discrimination based on sex" applies to all kinds of discrimination based on the way people of a certain sex are "supposed" to behave (like say, discriminating against two men who are getting married because men are supposed to marry only women).

Framing this as just being the DOJ striking back against some evildoers abusing laws is incredibly intellectually dishonest, and ignores every single done this administration has done with regards to queer people (not to mention all the things they've come very close to doing, like passing an executive order legalizing discrimination under the guise of religious liberty).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Byakko on July 28, 2017, 02:22:33 am
Meanwhile in the White House, it looks like Scary "stab you from the front" mucci is just gonna come and go like a wild fire. He went completely apeshit over the phone with a New Yorker jounalist about Priebus and Bannon, and not "off the records", about fucking leaks and cockblocking him and Bannon sucking his own dick (in a nutshell).

As for Trump and trans in the military - the Pentagon only learned about it at the same time as everyone else, and didn't receive any actual order, so some top general is basically telling everyone in the army to ignore it and carry on until an actual order is given. We're all pretty sure by now that he didn't actually talk about it to any general as he claimed, and most likely it won't be followed through at all.

And of course, the health care repeal, which this was a smoke screen for, got its ass kicked again in a new vote right after McCain's "I vote to open talks again, but I will vote against this bill as it is now" bullshit lie that was immediately followed by him voting in favor of it in that new round (but more Republicans jumped ships this time). What a sack of shit. Calling for open discussions after all the shit Republicans did on everything Obama tried ? It's never as fun when it happens to you, is it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 28, 2017, 03:12:58 am
Meanwhile in the White House, it looks like Scary "stab you from the front" mucci is just gonna come and go like a wild fire. He went completely apeshit over the phone with a New Yorker jounalist about Priebus and Bannon, and not "off the records", about fucking leaks and cockblocking him and Bannon sucking his own dick (in a nutshell).

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon/amp

^ the article for context, the guy sounds like a complete fucking nutjob. No wonder Spicer & Priebus didn't want the guy getting the job as comm director.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/chelseybcoombs/status/890565326919925761

I hate being right.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2017, 03:24:51 am
Spicey's resignation is starting to make a whole lot more sense now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2017, 09:16:19 am
The most recent attempt at repealing Obamacare has died in the Senate, in a nailbitingly close vote (49-51 against) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-gop-leaders-work-to-round-up-votes-for-modest-health-care-overhaul/2017/07/27/ac08fc40-72b7-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_healthcare-840a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4bc3dad6d931).

It's unwise at this point to assume there will never be any more efforts to try to repeal Obamacare, but this is quite the serious blow.

also it should really be emphasized how fucked up this entire process was: a widely despised bill that was only revealed to the public only hours before it was to be voted on, and that was so terrible that several senators needed assurances from House Speaker Paul Ryan that the House wouldn't go around and actually pass the bill, and that instead they would work out a compromise in conference. 49 fuckers voted yes on a bill they didn't actually want to pass. It's a fucking shitshow.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Iced on July 28, 2017, 11:09:20 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-acting-suspicious-because-may-173445882.html

shows what libs know, being all triggered, hes just innocent and thats why he keeps trying to threaten people investigating him, as innocent people are known to do
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Byakko on July 28, 2017, 11:31:37 am
Alternatively, he thinks he's innocent because he doesn't know what guilty is and he doesn't think that anything he's doing is illegal, but he's still wrong and he just doesn't know what illegal is. Same reason racist people don't like being called racist, because they know it's bad but they don't recognize that it really is what they're doing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Dumanios on July 28, 2017, 05:29:39 pm
So regarding Trump's whole "ban Trans people from the military" idea - turns out  Trump never (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/trump-transgender-military-ban-no-modification-241029?lo=ap_a1) actually discussed anything (http://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/07/26/trump-says-transgender-troops-cant-serve-in-the-military/) with the Department of Defense about this. At the moment, business will proceed as usual for trans troops. (http://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/07/27/navy-admiral-business-as-usual-for-now-with-transgender-sailors/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 28, 2017, 07:23:41 pm
Meanwhile, in North Korea:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-idUSKBN1AD1ZB
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2017, 07:26:53 pm
Good to know that we have a strong, even-keeled executive branch that's not burdened by the weight of an endless series of controversies leading the way on this.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Shocksconstant on July 28, 2017, 11:03:48 pm
Bye Rience!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-names-john-kelly-white-205523295.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Person Man on July 28, 2017, 11:27:22 pm
And now we have the President of the United States of America openly encouraging police brutality. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-police-brutality_us_597b840fe4b02a8434b6575a)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Attack on LGBTQs edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 29, 2017, 01:34:41 am
And now we have the President of the United States of America openly encouraging police brutality. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-police-brutality_us_597b840fe4b02a8434b6575a)
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His remarks received significant applause.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Police Brutality Plz edition
Post by: Foobs on July 30, 2017, 12:44:49 am
(http://grrrgraphics.com/uploads/7/4/7/3/74734153/mccain-tumor-removal_1_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Police Brutality Plz edition
Post by: Do not even ask on July 30, 2017, 04:39:54 am
that's not a real ben garrison cartoon, where's all the labels
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED... again edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 31, 2017, 09:06:29 pm
Scaramucci fired after serving as Communications Director for only 10 days (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.html?referer=https://t.co/hhz6MDK855?amp=1)

Well that didn't last very long. Wonder if he'll reconsider sucking his own cock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon) now after all this...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED... AGAIN edition
Post by: Jmorphman on July 31, 2017, 09:14:11 pm
Never a dull news day.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED... AGAIN edition
Post by: Shocksconstant on July 31, 2017, 09:20:45 pm
I honestly don't think we've gone a week without white house dramatics on a day to day basis since January.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED... AGAIN edition
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 01, 2017, 05:32:16 am
yeah, this topic started as sort of a joke because of how often we would get weird trump related news.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Repeat After Me edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 01, 2017, 05:48:32 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.40ddbff76805

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/846/660/439.gif)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Repeat After Me edition
Post by: Byakko on August 01, 2017, 09:44:03 am
Uh. People still defending him say none of this is directly tied to him personally (well, when they're not outright denying everything) but now there's a direct involvement from him.
Title: Re: [NEWS] Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Repeat After Me edition
Post by: Byakko on August 16, 2017, 01:40:35 pm
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/department-of-justice-dreamhost-trump-visitor-logs-million-ip/536886/
(Just posting a random link about it but that's not where I read it)
So the DoJ is trying to get IP logs (and everything else - mails, photos etc.) of anyone who simply visited a site that was involved in an anti-Trump rally in Washington on Inauguration day. Just to know who visited the site.
The host says fuck no.
Title: Re: [NEWS] Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2017, 12:12:01 am
fyi the news tag in the thread title looks stupid

Quote
For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!
alright!
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Rather than putting pressure on the businesspeople of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, I am ending both. Thank you all!
oh
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2017, 02:41:47 pm
This follows the Charlottesville incident but it's more Trump-related so I'n posting it here
Lol, Trump has a lawyer named Michael Cohen, son of a holocaust survivor, who decided to distance himself from all racism accusation by riccochet, by posting a bunch of selfies with Black people on Twitter. Okay. Good luck man.

Edit
Oh look, Trump just tweeted that it was sad that History and culture were ripped apart with the removal of the statues.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Jango on August 18, 2017, 07:50:54 am
To be fair, in America, most kids here grow up thinking that General Lee was actually anti-slavery but chose to fight for the South due to familial and friend loyalties. So if you never advanced beyond elementary-level American History, Lee is a good guy and it's sad that his statue is getting torn down.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Byakko on August 18, 2017, 09:09:25 am
And at what age were they taught it was good to do the Nazi salute while chanting "Jews will not replace us" ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: MAO11 on August 18, 2017, 02:05:54 pm
they're just statues but still wrongly put or not they are government property so they still have to answer for it.

there are statues of general joseph wheeler and henry ware lawton being praised as two of the greatest general of USA history, but in truth they committed genocide and killing thousands of unnamed civilians and children age 11-up just to lure the philippine army to go down south and stop using guerrilla tactics. you don't see anyone clamoring to tear their statues down. if they want it remove they could petition for it get historical facts investigate and get people to notice it. not that hard the confederate flag is now banned from all US government buildings, and in some states they even remove the ten commandments (which is good cause the ten commandments is fake as fuck anyway)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Byakko on August 18, 2017, 02:22:38 pm
Actually, some of the mayors have begun reviewing their monuments. I think it's in New York, there's a plaque on the ground in a famous boulevard in Marshall Petain's name as well as a French minister who did stuff for for Israel, put there after WW1 where he was a war hero and not removed after he gave the French government to the Nazis, and both those plaques are now getting removed after this whole statue issue. I don't know how many mayors will dive in these kinds of records and who will know their History well enough to find the things you said, but there's hope. Other governments could even take the opportunity to speak up against some monuments, if this gains enough momentum.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Foobs on August 18, 2017, 03:55:08 pm
To be fair, in America, most kids here grow up thinking that General Lee was actually anti-slavery but chose to fight for the South due to familial and friend loyalties. So if you never advanced beyond elementary-level American History, Lee is a good guy and it's sad that his statue is getting torn down.
The cool thing about Lee is that he was actually against the whole "the south will raise again" mentality and his own hero worshipping after the civil war, believing southern people should move the fuck on.

By the way, some Lincoln monuments (including the Lincoln memorial) are getting defaced.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Abe-Lincoln-Statue-Burned-on-Chicagos-South-Side-440897443.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/15/lincoln-memorial-defaced-with-explicit-graffiti.amp.html

Logic would suggest this is retaliation for removing confederate statues, but even Abe isn't woke enough for today's youth:

(https://watchmenofgeorgia.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/aberacist.png)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Niitris on August 18, 2017, 04:18:50 pm
Lipservice, everyone knows Lincoln was a negro lover.

To be fair, in America, most kids here grow up thinking that General Lee was actually anti-slavery but chose to fight for the South due to familial and friend loyalties. So if you never advanced beyond elementary-level American History, Lee is a good guy and it's sad that his statue is getting torn down.

Somewhat related, but another thing is that the rural parts of America report news differently from the city and its surrounding communities. While the MSM was blasting Trump for his both sides comment (which wasn't entirely wrong, Antifa is indeed militant and look up to the likes of Stalin and Mao), the less popular rural media emphasized a different part of his statement (We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for) that was largely ignored by everyone else.

Not that criticism isn't warranted, not calling out the car attack in particular was nothing short of unacceptable. Case of it's easier to hate nazis than commies, understandably so.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Byakko on August 18, 2017, 04:36:37 pm
It's the script. The "violence on all sides" was off script, the Monday condemning of neo nazis was strictly scripted, then the Tuesday "all sides" was him reiterating what he really thought, everyone that was there commented that he looked proud and liberated from a weight after that.

Underlining this "all united" line is like pointing out that the Monday speech specifically condemned neo nazis. It's blaringly obvious which parts were his true feelings. No one cares about that line because we know it wasn't him speaking, just like the tweet being actually kind to Barcelona after the attack (clearly not written by him), only to bring up his favorite fake Pershing urban myth an hour later.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Genocide Is Good edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 18, 2017, 04:45:02 pm
Context to what Byakko stated (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-barcelona-terrorism-van-attack-reaction-20170817-story.html) about the Pershing story.

Basically tldr; Trump used a historically inaccurate anecdote about a military general during the US occupation of the Philippines as justification to use genocide to fight terrorism.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Genocide Is Good edition
Post by: Byakko on August 18, 2017, 04:48:14 pm
Oh yea, and he even changed that story. When he used it during the campaign, he said there was no terror attacks for 25 years. And in this tweet, he upped it to 35. This is so ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Gimme ur IP address edition
Post by: Niitris on August 18, 2017, 04:48:42 pm
lol

Underlining this "all united" line is like pointing out that the Monday speech specifically condemned neo nazis. It's blaringly obvious which parts were his true feelings.

That's why their media isn't as popular. :P

But for the misinformed, it's easier to defend him when your own media and education are pacifying Southeastern/rural culture and what they stood for. Also explains why people from those areas consider city folk to be miseducated.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Genocide Is Good edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 18, 2017, 04:52:22 pm
Oh yea, and he even changed that story. When he used it during the campaign, he said there was no terror attacks for 25 years. And in this tweet, he upped it to 35. This is so ridiculous.

So much for his whole "getting the facts before making a statement" policy, eh?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Genocide Is Good edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 18, 2017, 07:11:24 pm
Looks like Bannon got shitcanned, though I don't think it's 100% confirmed yet.

There goes a good chunk of my support for the administration.

(PS, if you think this is me supporting racism, if you think Bannon is a racist, open this spoiler)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 18, 2017, 07:23:03 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/iFthPrG.gif)

Bannon's departure confirmed (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html?mcubz=0) by NY Times.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 18, 2017, 07:38:23 pm
(PS, if you think this is me supporting racism, if you think Bannon is a racist, open this spoiler)
Quote
...
Oh. Wow. That totally turned me over, those quotes completely make up for all the insane shit that was regularly posted on Breitbart. See, there's a big difference between "just racist" and "batshit insane fuckwad". And that guy is definitely not a racist.

Oh, speaking of which, White House staff members have commented to various reporters that they were surprised and upset at Trump's comments basically supporting white nationalists and neo nazis... well no, not at the comments themselves, but at the fact that he expressed in public what he usually kept for private discussions. Wow.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 18, 2017, 07:43:22 pm
Not going to get into that with you here, it'd be a massive derail and it'd take ages to address meaningfully. Let people talk about shit without it turning into you and me having a slapfight.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 18, 2017, 07:48:42 pm
We've already been over the many insane Breitbart headlines during election period, this is just not debatable and indefensible.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 18, 2017, 07:58:22 pm
My god dude stop doing this every time I post anything about politics. Agree to disagree, let it lie, let other people have their say.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Foobs on August 19, 2017, 03:49:20 am
Q: What would guys say about having a SJW/alt right/tangentially political petty news discussion thread so people could vent out and talk about stupid shit like this  (http://www.statesman.com/news/denton-isd-administrator-removed-after-authoring-children-book-featuring-pepe-the-frog/7IGA4yg9ftujoYUri3mv1L/)without derailing "serious" threads? we could call it "The Kulturkampf".
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 19, 2017, 04:24:26 pm
I'd be down with that.

Also: Couldn't Matt Furie sue this guy?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Iced on August 19, 2017, 04:50:05 pm
hard pass for me, it would atract the kind of counter culture edgelord that is only around to try to play the "GOTCHA" game. If its interesting enough it could get their own threads but a thread that is only for "bashing Sjws" has all the markers for "oh look this account hasnt posted in 4 years and is now making longass diatribes about purity of race and nazi right of free speech"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Titiln on August 19, 2017, 05:04:31 pm
so warn or ban those posters. having a thread that makes fun of extreme liberalism doesn't mean everybody there should go "Haha LOL, what a tumblerina, but also, we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children". none of it usually deserves its own thread, but derailing the random topic kinda sucks sometimes (going from discussion of a funny cat picture to screencaps of liberals on twitter saying dumb shit) and i wish it was all in one thread instead

i'd go for a less funny sounding thread name though, something like Thread For Laughing At Super Liberals.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Iced on August 19, 2017, 05:06:51 pm
I can picture a few retards continuously posting links to breitbart trying to "educate" the masses about the liberals and the jew menace. Right now they have no excuse to be posting breitbart links everywhere that would give them a excuse tho.

Doesnt sound fun tbh
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Titiln on August 19, 2017, 05:09:27 pm
so warn or ban those posters

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Foobs on August 19, 2017, 05:24:31 pm
Where'd you even get the idea it would be a thread to bash sjws alone?

I used the Pepe children's book because the guy who wrote is an alt right nutjob.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 19, 2017, 05:44:41 pm
^ No need to make it one-sided. The point would be to contain that shit so it doesn't bleed into other topics.

Also Breitbart doesn't contain any anti-Semitic content and some of their most prominent writers are Jewish, so can you cut accusations like that out? The people that actually think there is a ""Jew Menace"" think Breitbart is part of it. Andrew Breitbart himself was Jewish ffs.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Jmorphman on August 19, 2017, 10:40:13 pm
This is very, very good:

The Week When President Trump Resigned (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/opinion/sunday/president-trump-resignation.html)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 19, 2017, 11:21:37 pm
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Trump resigned the presidency already — if we regard the job as one of moral stewardship, if we assume that an iota of civic concern must joust with self-regard, if we expect a president’s interest in legislation to rise above vacuous theatrics, if we consider a certain baseline of diplomatic etiquette to be part of the equation. By those measures, it’s arguable that Trump’s presidency never really began.

Funny, I'd agree with that completely and I think so would the majority of his supporters. That isn't what people wanted. They voted for someone who explicitly wouldn't be a moral steward; they didn't want to be moralized at, they wanted someone with the skill and willingness to fix their problems.

The rest is more insane attempts to claim he didn't denounce white supremacy, one of the most disgusting organized lies I've seen thus far, but I find that point interesting.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Gennos on August 19, 2017, 11:28:01 pm
please make this thread. i would love nothing more than piss on alt right morons like this shitbag who photoshopped antifa's logo into this stock picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHmD6HPVwAA5-rU.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHmECerVoAA8ltT.jpg)
whats the matter? if antifa is as bad as you say they are then you shouldn't have any problems finding real evidence.
joey salads 2.0
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 19, 2017, 11:32:49 pm
Wow, that's fucking terrible. Thanks for letting me know that's going around, I'll denounce anyone I see using it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 19, 2017, 11:41:54 pm
The rest is more insane attempts to claim he didn't denounce white supremacy, one of the most disgusting organized lies I've seen thus far
I dunno, that lie right here is pretty up there on the scale of disgusting lies.
Don't think you can come back after the dust has settled and act like no one explained why you're wrong.
Keep justifying yourself with your "technically true" faith but everyone can see through it.
(also lol at you trying to say I'm baiting you when you're the one coming back after the fight to throw the very detailed explanation out the window and call it a lie, you're so full of shit)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2017, 01:01:06 am
A disgusting organized lie that is being advanced not only by the lamestream media, but also by some of his closest allies and members of his own party, such that they all feel the need to respond to and in some cases specifically denounce the libelous version of Trump's comments, ayup.  ::)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 20, 2017, 01:12:44 am
Yup. You can tell it's a lie by reading the actual words he said and seeing that they contain denouncements of white supremacy. ::)

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2017, 01:15:55 am
Keep justifying yourself with your "technically true" faith but everyone can see through it.
You're just cherry picking the stuff you want to read while ignoring every other explanation. Literally everyone else in the world but you knows it's a lie.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 20, 2017, 01:18:14 am
Literally everyone else in the world

It's stupid shit like this that makes you not worth listening to. Find something better to do than posting poison like this every time I post about something.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2017, 01:23:05 am
Dude even the neo nazis and the whole shabang also knows that Trump didn't sell them out and did the next best thing to explicitly supporting them. You're the only one hanging on to your blinders like a madman. You're the only one lying (well, and Trump), and you're only lying to yourself.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 20, 2017, 01:24:41 am
Show me where he didn't condemn them, or shut up about it. And shut up with the personal insults regardless.

I'll wait.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2017, 01:25:04 am
You are so bad at this.
Keep justifying yourself with your "technically true" faith but everyone can see through it.
You're just cherry picking the stuff you want to read while ignoring every other explanation. Literally everyone else in the world but you knows it's a lie.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 20, 2017, 01:27:40 am
So you're admitting I'm right, and you're lying.

Okay. Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2017, 01:28:28 am
lol no.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 20, 2017, 01:31:16 am
Lol yes. Putting you on ignore now, since you've made your dishonesty and desire to attack me personally abundantly clear.

See ya never.

edit: Mods, feel free to shitcan this exchange, obviously more like it won't be happening in the future. I like giving my opinion on political shit but not if it's going to devolve into the same people zooming in and making personal attacks whenever I do, it's disruptive to the forum.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Titiln on August 20, 2017, 02:02:44 am
please make this thread. i would love nothing more than piss on alt right morons like this shitbag who photoshopped antifa's logo into this stock picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHmECerVoAA8ltT.jpg)
1: i dont think you know what stock picture means
2: that guy didnt necessarily make it, but if he didnt he's a dummy for spreading it
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: YOURE FIRED THREE TIMES edition
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2017, 02:20:27 am
Putting you on ignore now
Okay good luck putting the rest of the world on ignore then.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 21, 2017, 04:07:02 pm
The Secret Service is now officially broke, thanks to Trump's constant travelling (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family/529075001/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 21, 2017, 04:46:53 pm
The article says the same thing happened last year, though, just not as bad. This is a problem with how the secret service is set up and funded and has a lot more to do with their mandate to protect the President's entire extended family than it does Trump's actions in particular.

Reading more than just the headline is fun.

edit: Y'know what, I take that back and should heed my own advice, I stopped halfway through the article without realizing it, thinking the slideshow in the middle was the end. What I said was true but Trump's actions, and especially the actions of his children, made an existing problem worse. I'm guessing past presidents didn't have kids that routinely travelled internationally, either. It's a number of factors, but Trump's constant travelling is one of them. My bad.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2017, 06:26:42 am
The very very pro-LGBT President Trump has officially gone through with the trans soldier ban (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-directs-pentagon-to-implement-ban-on-transgender-service-members-bans-sex-reassignment-surgery/2017/08/25/c8c604d8-89e4-11e7-9ce7-9e175d8953fa_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_transgender-730pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.162c423ce714), because he loves LGBT people so much. That's also why this ban prevents the military from providing medical treatment for gender confirmation surgeries. Because he's so pro-LGBT. Yep.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 26, 2017, 09:02:14 am
The very very pro-LGBT President Trump has officially gone through with the trans soldier ban (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-directs-pentagon-to-implement-ban-on-transgender-service-members-bans-sex-reassignment-surgery/2017/08/25/c8c604d8-89e4-11e7-9ce7-9e175d8953fa_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_transgender-730pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.162c423ce714), because he loves LGBT people so much. That's also why this ban prevents the military from providing medical treatment for gender confirmation surgeries. Because he's so pro-LGBT. Yep.

Yeah...except providing medical treatment would be too expensive as well as providing surgery for transgendered soldiers.

Nice try.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 26, 2017, 09:03:29 am
Dude even the neo nazis and the whole shabang also knows that Trump didn't sell them out and did the next best thing to explicitly supporting them. You're the only one hanging on to your blinders like a madman. You're the only one lying (well, and Trump), and you're only lying to yourself.

Except Trump condemned Neo-Nazis like, 4 to 8 times.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2017, 09:20:21 am
Yeah...except providing medical treatment would be too expensive as well as providing surgery for transgendered soldiers.
The military spends 10 times the cost of trans-related health care on Viagra. Surely Trump will wisely institute a ban on such unnecessary medication. Our soldiers should be fighting, not fucking!

also don't double post
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 26, 2017, 09:43:05 am
Trans people typically need hormone therapy to alleviate their gender dysphoria. Anyone dependent on medication for their sanity shouldn't be on the front lines, because combat is fucking messy and they won't have that medication when shit gets real. This should be treated exactly like someone on antidepressants or something along those lines. If we're not talking about people in combat zones, then I don't care in the slightest.

Also why is the military spending money on Viagra?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: MAO11 on August 26, 2017, 01:40:49 pm
Yeah...except providing medical treatment would be too expensive as well as providing surgery for transgendered soldiers.
The military spends 10 times the cost of trans-related health care on Viagra. Surely Trump will wisely institute a ban on such unnecessary medication. Our soldiers should be fighting, not fucking!

also don't double post

you do know sildenafil is used as a blood thinner to improve the circulation of the blood and relaxes the muscles very useful for surgeries and not just for bed? it is was intended for that use but like marijuana they got used for recreation just to get sales charts up. i'm kinda pissed off about this a lot of drugs that could help people who really needs it can't get them because they're illegal because some junky can't stop injecting it to their already brain dead bodies and the media and lawmakers doesn't even do research about it they just feed people with half ass opinions that those drugs are evil and you'll be satan himself you take some.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2017, 07:17:07 pm
you do know sildenafil is used as a blood thinner to improve the circulation of the blood and relaxes the muscles very useful for surgeries and not just for bed? it is was intended for that use but like marijuana they got used for recreation just to get sales charts up. i'm kinda pissed off about this a lot of drugs that could help people who really needs it can't get them because they're illegal because some junky can't stop injecting it to their already brain dead bodies and the media and lawmakers doesn't even do research about it they just feed people with half ass opinions that those drugs are evil and you'll be satan himself you take some.
I'm not actually serious about banning Viagra; even if it didn't have any additional effects besides ED, it'd still be worth paying for (cuz ED and related issues effect mental health and stuff). The point I was making is that it's absurd to try and deny medical coverage to trans soldiers under the guise of saving money, cuz there's so, so, so, so, so many things the military spends way more money on, and singling out medical treatment for trans soldiers is just bigotry disguised as a budgetary concern.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Dirt Poor Security edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 26, 2017, 07:22:49 pm
With you on that one, FYI. I could maybe see it if the medical coverage cost disproportionately massive amounts of money, but again only if other non-trans-related non-lifesaving medical coverage was treated the same way, which it sounds like it isn't re: Viagra.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Foobs on August 26, 2017, 08:43:21 pm
Yeah...except providing medical treatment would be too expensive as well as providing surgery for transgendered soldiers.
The military spends 10 times the cost of trans-related health care on Viagra. Surely Trump will wisely institute a ban on such unnecessary medication. Our soldiers should be fighting, not fucking!

also don't double post
I've seen this number thrown around ad nauseum, but nobody seems to realize A) the military is predominantly formed by males and B) erectile dysfunction is far, far more common than GID. It doesn't really counter the point that transpeople are disproportionately expensive personnel.

there's so, so, so, so, so many things the military spends way more money on, and singling out medical treatment for trans soldiers is just bigotry disguised as a budgetary concern.
This I can agree with, though. The army isn't going bankrupt for letting a few transpeople in.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Person Man on August 26, 2017, 10:46:26 pm
Trump has issued a presidential pardon to Joe Arpaio (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon/index.html?sr=fbCNN082517sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon0813PMStory) who was recently found guilty of criminal contempt for his open refusal to stop racially profiling citizens and violating civil rights.

But no, Trump's not a racist.  He's just a really, really big fan of them and wants them to be free to keep up the good work.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 04:05:40 am
Trump has issued a presidential pardon to Joe Arpaio (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon/index.html?sr=fbCNN082517sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon0813PMStory) who was recently found guilty of criminal contempt for his open refusal to stop racially profiling citizens and violating civil rights.

But no, Trump's not a racist.  He's just a really, really big fan of them and wants them to be free to keep up the good work.

*uses CNN as a source*

PPFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Berry on August 27, 2017, 04:16:19 am
fake news xd
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 27, 2017, 04:18:48 am
Look at the little dope trying to be human being... what's next, WeegeeTheTrumpTard? You going to shout out 'Fake News!' at the mention of anything that isn't from Fox News? Oh, you going to bust out the dead horse that is Benghazi? I know, he's going to blame Obama for all the ills in the world because you're too dumb to see the reality.

So, sit down and let the adults speak here, okay? Thank you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 27, 2017, 05:35:48 am
I think CNN is a fine source for, you know, easily verifiable objectively true events such as a pardon being issued.

(I'm not going to comment on Arpaio, I don't know much about him and I've seen a whole lot of crazy shit about him in both directions)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 05:42:32 am
Look at the little dope trying to be human being... what's next, WeegeeTheTrumpTard? You going to shout out 'Fake News!' at the mention of anything that isn't from Fox News? Oh, you going to bust out the dead horse that is Benghazi? I know, he's going to blame Obama for all the ills in the world because you're too dumb to see the reality.

So, sit down and let the adults speak here, okay? Thank you.

"Look at the little dope trying to be human being"

*sentences later*

"So, sit down and let the adults speak here, okay? Thank you."

Says the guy who can't even use grammar properly.  Good job though at trying to be a stereotypical snarky condescending liberal by calling everyone you don't like a "kid" or some shit.

"You going to shout out 'Fake News!' at the mention of anything that isn't from Fox News?"

I don't even watch Fox News like that bro, so again, nice try. It's mainly because sources like CNN, Buzzfeed, The Guardian, and countless others have proven themselves to be unreliable left-leaning hacks who don't do real journalism. Like seriously, CNN once tried to show "proof" that Russia "HAACKED THE ELECTION!!!1" and all they showed was a fucking Fallout 4 terminal. (http://kotaku.com/cnn-shows-fallout-hacking-terminal-in-a-video-about-rus-1790693451)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cnn-russian-election-hacking-fallout-4-video-game-screenshot-us-presidential-donald-trump-dnc-a7507426.html

And let's not forget how Buzzfeed is just the pinnacle of all shitty sources, and pooled out the shitty Pissgate Dossimier crap and how racist they are to white people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy1_uHBdlkI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCmatUR1J_E

Dude, leftists have absolutely no right to mock Fox News when they have most of the shittiest sources right now.

"what's next, WeegeeTheTrumpTard?"

IS that seriously all you could come up with?

"Oh, you going to bust out the dead horse that is Benghazi?"

No, but you guys obviously bust out the dead horse that is his tax returns and nonexistant "COLLUSION WITH DA RUSSIANS!!11".


"I know, he's going to blame Obama for all the ills in the world because you're too dumb to see the reality."

"because you're too dumb to see the reality."

The projection is strong with this one.


But anyways, no, I dont blame Obama for all the ills in the world. I blame him for the crappy decisions he made, I blame him for making racial relations worse in our country (and then they blame Republicans for it), I blame him for taxing people for NOT having his shitty healthcare system, and I blame him AND his party for trying to shove their ideology down people's throats. YOU, on the other hand, Mr.Tolerant Liberal, are the one that blames Trump FOR ALLLLLL the problems (or non-existent ones) in this country and the world because you don't know how to think for yourself and do ACTUAL research instead of parroting the same shit the mainstream media feeds you, then you liberals resort to logical fallacies when someone tries to prove you wrong. It's quite pathetic actually.


So please, if anyone the kid in the room, it's you and the rest of the brain dead left wingers here in this forum.


Now I await your reply, which I fully expect it to be filled with same shit I mentioned here.











Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 27, 2017, 06:48:33 am
My dude calm down. It doesn't really matter if you actually have a point when you express it like that. If the guy is being an idiot just let him be an idiot and move on without responding in kind, no one's going to hear your message when there's insults every other line.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 07:47:10 am
My dude calm down. It doesn't really matter if you actually have a point when you express it like that. If the guy is being an idiot just let him be an idiot and move on without responding in kind, no one's going to hear your message when there's insults every other line.

Sorry, just got a bit irritated by that guy's comment, and a bit annoyed at this existence of of this thread. (I know I got in it, but still.)

MugenGuild is supposed to be dedicated to showing stuff you made for a fighting game all of us love. Why the fuck should we ruin it by talking about fucking politics?  Jesus christ, take that shit to YouTube or something. (Then again, I got into the thread, so I cant really get TOO upset.)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Do not even ask on August 27, 2017, 07:58:31 am
sorry snakebyte, luigi's dethroned you as the king of entertainment

fuck
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 08:14:47 am
sorry snakebyte, luigi's dethroned you as the king of entertainment

fuck

So...are you actually going to address my arguments or no?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Gennos on August 27, 2017, 08:32:45 am
sorry snakebyte, luigi's dethroned you as the king of entertainment

fuck

So...are you actually going to address my arguments or no?
your argument is irrelevant. it's YOU who can't be taken seriously, you forfeit that right when you childishly discredited a news site just because it show how much of a shithead your leader is.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Jango on August 27, 2017, 08:47:19 am
But to humor the memest of lords, weegee, I have a BBC news source  (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41058851). Trump didn't call them fake news, right?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 04:49:08 pm
sorry snakebyte, luigi's dethroned you as the king of entertainment

fuck

So...are you actually going to address my arguments or no?
your argument is irrelevant. it's YOU who can't be taken seriously, you forfeit that right when you childishly discredited a news site just because it show how much of a shithead your leader is.



"childishly discredited a news site just because it show how much of a shithead your leader is."

No, I dismissed it because it's one of the most unreliable sources for information, and I showed you why they're so detestable. You obviously didn't really read what I said and just denied everything  because you don't want to question your leftist bias. On the contrary, your argument is irrelevant since you can't seem to comprehend a problem where you might be wrong. This is a flaw that I find in a lot of leftists and just Dems/Libs in general. And they PROJECT their flaws onto Donald Trump and other Republicans/Conservatives.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 27, 2017, 04:51:28 pm
If you want to talk about MUGEN go to mugen boards. This is all that's left. People can make threads about whatever they like here for the most part
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 05:03:14 pm
But to humor the memest of lords, weegee, I have a BBC news source  (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41058851). Trump didn't call them fake news, right?


You mean the same BBC that thought Roman Britain was ethnically diverse even though it wasn't?

They cant even be historically accurate without trying to shove political agendas into something. How could you trust them with information about news?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 05:15:21 pm
I'd post Trump's own tweet where he said he granted a full pardon to Arpaio because "he kept Arizona safe", as well as Arpaio's own response thanking Trump in a tweet, but you'll probably call that fake news too because who uses Twitter as a source for news.
Also I can't be bothered to post a tweet properly. Plus you're a big irrelevant joke anyway so who cares about making a point to you, you don't know the truth when it hits you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Titiln on August 27, 2017, 05:19:03 pm
cnn has been bad lately, but there's no fully reliable unbiased source of news, unless it's a brand new website with five articles and that one would eventually fall too. complain about how shitty cnn/whatever other site is when someone posts a link that has factual mistakes or leans way too much in one direction

when someone posts a link to a simple cnn article like Trump Drank Water Once and you go FAKE NEWS!!! CNN IS AIDS!! you just look like an asshole
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 05:25:56 pm
I'd post Trump's own tweet where he said he granted a full pardon to Arpaio because "he kept Arizona safe", as well as Arpaio's own response thanking Trump in a tweet, but you'll probably call that fake news too because who uses Twitter as a source for news.
Also I can't be bothered to post a tweet properly. Plus you're a big irrelevant joke anyway so who cares about making a point to you, you don't know the truth when it hits you.


"Big irrelevant joke"

Then why are you replying to me?

I wasn't denying Arpaio was pardoned. He ISN'T however racist.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 05:29:51 pm
Then why are you replying to me?
What's that have to do with anything ? Is it not allowed ?
I wasn't denying Arpaio was pardoned. He ISN'T however racist.
The law disagrees with you. And that's a fight you're not going to win.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 05:31:47 pm
cnn has been bad lately, but there's no fully reliable unbiased source of news, unless it's a brand new website with five articles and that one would eventually fall too. complain about how shitty cnn/whatever other site is when someone posts a link that has factual mistakes or leans way too much in one direction

when someone posts a link to a simple cnn article like Trump Drank Water Once and you go FAKE NEWS!!! CNN IS AIDS!! you just look like an asshole

I was actually mocking Person Man for citing CNN, since it implies he probably watches CNN to get his information. (If he doesn't, then pardon me.)


You're also an asshole when you think every conservative watches Fox News because they don't believe sources coming from left-leaning ones.

And before any of you say anything, Person Man actually GAVE me a reason to believe he watched CNN since he posted a link to it. However, @Seadragon77 busted out of nowhere with the generalization that all Conservatives watch Fox News with NO evidence.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 05:34:57 pm
Then why are you replying to me?
What's that have to do with anything ? Is it not allowed ?
I wasn't denying Arpaio was pardoned. He ISN'T however racist.
The law disagrees with you. And that's a fight you're not going to win.

If my opinions and arguments are irrelevant, why reply?  Seems contradictory, dont you think? It shows that my arguments ARE actually relevant since you're paying attention to them.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 05:36:22 pm
It sounds more like you don't know how a forum works.
Or anything about social relations.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Person Man on August 27, 2017, 05:42:07 pm
Why are any of you bothering to talk politics with someone who calls himself "Meme Lord."

He is literally defining himself as someone who mindlessly parrots things other people came up with. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 05:45:51 pm
Why are any of you bothering to talk politics with someone who calls himself "Meme Lord."

He is literally defining himself as someone who mindlessly parrots things other people came up with.

Well the same reason why I replied to you even though you're clearly missing a few chromosomes.


"He is literally defining himself as someone who mindlessly parrots things other people came up with. "

You mean like how you mindlessly parrot things you hear from random articles on the internet and news networks? I just love the logical fallacies being used here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 27, 2017, 05:49:32 pm
Stop double posting
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 05:58:44 pm
You mean like how you mindlessly parrot things you hear from random articles on the internet and news networks? I just love the logical fallacies being used here.
lol this reasoning is so dumb
You must have rejected everything you heard in school because you didn't want to blindly repeat what you were being taught.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Titiln on August 27, 2017, 06:04:04 pm
I was actually mocking Person Man for citing CNN, since it implies he probably watches CNN to get his information. (If he doesn't, then pardon me.)
that's what would make you an asshole
Quote
You're also an asshole when you think every conservative watches Fox News because they don't believe sources coming from left-leaning ones.
seadragon has meltdowns about fox news every chance he gets and should be ignored
If my opinions and arguments are irrelevant, why reply?  Seems contradictory, dont you think? It shows that my arguments ARE actually relevant since you're paying attention to them.
this isn't how arguing works

person a: Donald drumpf is a racist and a violent nazi because one time he was at wrestlemania and beat up vince mcmahon
person b: That is just a bunch of nonsense, what does that have to do with anything
person a: IF ITS "NONSENSE" WHY ARE YOU REPLYING??HMMM??????????
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Gennos on August 27, 2017, 06:23:56 pm
You mean the same BBC that thought Roman Britain was ethnically diverse even though it wasn't?
quoted above: the reason why you also shouldn't trust bbc news, because they had a theory about something.
you're a joke lil buddy.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 06:30:47 pm
You mean the same BBC that thought Roman Britain was ethnically diverse even though it wasn't?
quoted above: the reason why you also shouldn't trust bbc news, because they had a theory about something.
you're a joke lil buddy.


BBC didn't establish it as a theory, they established it as a cold hard fact, you dimwit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Mechy on August 27, 2017, 06:33:03 pm
Kinda weird to complain about people discussing politics in a thread specifically about politics.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Person Man on August 27, 2017, 06:36:46 pm
Seriously guys, just ignore him.  No matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on, conservative or liberal, engaging with people like this guy is never going to be productive.  People like him don't actually care about politics, or having an informed opinion, or even reality;  They only care about "winning."  Being able to say "I am right" regardless of whether or not that actually means anything.  They treat politics like it's a high school sporting event.  As long as you can shout and bully and harass the other team enough and you end up in the lead, nothing else matters.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: R565 on August 27, 2017, 06:45:14 pm

This, we need to understand that human beings are affected by these choices. Now, I don't really care much for politics, but ever since Trump had been elected, I have been hearing so many more problems now than ever.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Gennos on August 27, 2017, 06:51:58 pm
BBC didn't establish it as a theory, they established it as a cold hard fact, you dimwit.
how dare they!!! even tho you have no proof that they're wrong. you're basing everything on your dumbass assumptions about them, while they had actually researched it and consulted actual history professors.
trump must be very proud of you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 07:03:05 pm
Seriously guys, just ignore him.  No matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on, conservative or liberal, engaging with people like this guy is never going to be productive.  People like him don't actually care about politics, or having an informed opinion, or even reality;  They only care about "winning."  Being able to say "I am right" regardless of whether or not that actually means anything.  They treat politics like it's a high school sporting event.  As long as you can shout and bully and harass the other team enough and you end up in the lead, nothing else matters.


SO basically you ran out of arguments and just decide to perform a repulsive moral grandstanding exercise about how "MEAAAAN" i was being being to people, and how I only care about "winning the argument", yet through this forum, I've seen you throw around a bunch of shit that would make you come off as an asshole who only cares about being right. You post these little links to mainstream media articles that show ZERO proof, and say that it's correct even though it really isn't. And you wonder why I mocked you.

You preach about staying informed, yet clearly, you are NOT informed, and you just repeat things you HEAR. What part of that do you not get? 

Seriously, I'm not one who has a hard time comprehending a situation where I might be wrong here. You've shown no interest in letting people prove that you may be wrong.







Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 07:21:00 pm
People tell you off
"if I'm so irrelevant why are you even replying !"
People say to ignore you
"lol you just ran out of argument !"

why are you so insanely dumb

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You post these little links to mainstream media articles that show ZERO proof
... Uh, remind me what exactly you think is wrong in any of the articles that was being discussed ? What proof are you saying isn't given, proof of what ? Because you're not denying that Trump pardoned the guy, you claim that the guy in question is not a racist even though the court declared he was and you're factually wrong (and also that has nothing to do with anything that anyone was talking about in the first place)... What exactly were you here to fight about ? Because the only thing you said so far is "lol CNN as a source" and "lol BBC as a source".
Quote
You've shown no interest in letting people prove that you may be wrong.
But... He's not wrong, you're wrong and you reject all proof of that you're wrong as "NU-UH !"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 27, 2017, 08:02:26 pm
seadragon has meltdowns about fox news every chance he gets and should be ignored

Not always, dude. Come on... I did have my moments. I just don't appreciate the little twit here trying to act like the Army of Morons I see on a daily basis on Facebook.

Oh, and believe or not: It's not a generalization that most conservatives watch Fox News and then are uninformed... it's true. At least Snakebyte is informed... this guy isn't, and that's why he's on the ignore list.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 08:04:22 pm
seadragon has meltdowns about fox news every chance he gets and should be ignored

Not always, dude. Come on... I did have my moments. I just don't appreciate the little twit here trying to act like the Army of Morons I see on a daily basis on Facebook.

Oh, and believe or not: It's not a generalization that most conservatives watch Fox News and then are uninformed... it's true. At least Snakebyte is informed... this guy isn't, and that's why he's on the ignore list.

I'd like a source proving your claim please. If you can't provide a reliable one or a source at ALL, it means you ARE generalizing and you're just denying it to save face.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Jango on August 27, 2017, 08:08:45 pm
Should I post Pew Research Group poll results or is that a faulty source? EDIT: Eh, fuck it

(http://i.imgur.com/f6skCc4.png)

Also another poll from a the Brookings Institute and the Public Religion Research Institute:

(http://i.imgur.com/x1vD7OZ.png)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Gennos on August 27, 2017, 08:12:11 pm
every source that isn't breitbart is faulty to our moronic lord of the memes.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: MAO11 on August 27, 2017, 08:17:36 pm
this argument is actually good though it's a bit hostile. but whether or not arpaio is a racist doesn't matter what matters here is that he clearly broke the law that he suppose to enforce. and him getting pardon isn't illegal it's in the power of the president. but the president can't say that arpaio is wrongfully convicted or innocent, and giving him a pardon and arpaio accepting it is the same thing that he admitting to the crime, pardons are only given to people who committed crimes. so technically they shouldn't say he was innocent that's why he got pardoned.

the thing about news channel or news in general is that you should read or listen to all the sides that are involve, you and i are not experts about political matters and alot of them are confusing rather than sticking to one source try to have an open opinion about it and try to get as many information you need on the topic from all the sides.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 08:25:02 pm
Should I post Pew Research Group poll results or is that a faulty source? EDIT: Eh, fuck it

(http://i.imgur.com/f6skCc4.png)

Also another poll from a the Brookings Institute and the Public Religion Research Institute:

(http://i.imgur.com/x1vD7OZ.png)


That only proves that a certain amount of Conservatives get their information from Fox News. Seadragon say that the majority of conservatives listens to Fox News. That is false.

Don't know what point you're making, but it's NOT going to prove that all or most conservatives listen to Fox News. I sure don't.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Jango on August 27, 2017, 08:28:59 pm
Yes, and the Conservatives that do watch are roughly half of them if you paid attention to the numbers there. 47% for one poll, 53% for another.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 27, 2017, 08:29:00 pm
Uh, 47% is pretty close there...

Whatever, I'm done here. Nothing I can say can convince you otherwise, so I'm moving on. I suggest you do the same.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: MAO11 on August 27, 2017, 08:36:55 pm
idgi why a two party system is effective in the USA. for a free country they sure do have limited option who to choose to be their leader and they don't even really choose them it's just the democrats and republican higher ups choose it for them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Jango on August 27, 2017, 08:38:50 pm
Technically there's more but they don't have the huge support that the other two parties have, so most mainstream media sources act as if they don't exist when doing presidential debates and the like.

Also a while back I explained the rationale behind the electoral college but it's basically obsolete today (the college, not my expalanation)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 08:41:16 pm
Yes, and the Conservatives that do watch are roughly half of them if you paid attention to the numbers there. 47% for one poll, 53% for another.

The Conservatives who took that poll, you mean. There are conservatives who get their information from elsewhere, and there's conservatives who take information from NO one and do the research themselves. But I bet you wont find a study trying to find out if  Conservatives and Liberals do the research themselves or get their information from somewhere OTHER than corporate media, now will you?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 08:53:02 pm
First, what research do they do if they don't take information from anyone ? Because "not taking information from anyone" just sounds like "they're guessing" which is not how information or research work at all.
Second, you talk like those polls are the same as the "corporate media". You're just wrong.
Third, you didn't answer my questions.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Titiln on August 27, 2017, 09:04:55 pm
The Conservatives who took that poll, you mean.
huh i guess no poll results are useful then
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 09:07:31 pm
First, what research do they do if they don't take information from anyone ? Because "not taking information from anyone" just sounds like "they're guessing" which is not how information or research work at all.
Second, you talk like those polls are the same as the "corporate media". You're just wrong.
Third, you didn't answer my questions.


I never once implied those polls are the same as corporate media. Why are you debunking arguments I never even made? You do realize that's called a strawman, right?

"what research do they do if they don't take information from anyone ? Because "not taking information from anyone" just sounds like "they're guessing" which is not how information or research work at all."

I mean they dont just go by what they hear and look things up for themselves. This should be obvious.

"Third, you didn't answer my questions."

I can only reply to what I can without being told not to double post.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 09:17:14 pm
I never once implied those polls are the same as corporate media.
Uh, yeah, you did, when you claimed that we wouldn't find a poll that has republicans and conservatives who don't follow corporate medias, you're very literally claiming that those polls are taken by corporate medias and anyone who doesn't follow corporate medias can't possibly be in those polls. What other link could there possibly be between taking those polls and following corporate medias or not ?

I mean they dont just go by what they hear and look things up for themselves. This should be obvious.
Look it up where and how exactly ? All information come from somewhere, anyone who looks up anything looks it up from somewhere. If the information doesn't come from someone else, then it's called guessing, not research.
So please, once again, do tell me exactly what information you have that contradicts those CNN and BBC reports of Trump pardoning a sheriff sentenced to prison over racism, and where did you get it ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 27, 2017, 09:23:14 pm
WHOAH BOY SOME THINGS HAPPENED HUH.

I was actually mocking Person Man for citing CNN, since it implies he probably watches CNN to get his information. (If he doesn't, then pardon me.)


You're also an asshole when you think every conservative watches Fox News because they don't believe sources coming from left-leaning ones.

And before any of you say anything, Person Man actually GAVE me a reason to believe he watched CNN since he posted a link to it. However, @Seadragon77 busted out of nowhere with the generalization that all Conservatives watch Fox News with NO evidence.

Your mocking wasn't productive, Person Man most likely just googled the event and found the information. I personally hate CNN with a burning passion because of the whole 'It's different for the media' wikileaks things, but if it's an easily verifiable fact, there's no reason to blow up about it.

That said, I strongly agree with you about the Fox News thing. There are two major camps within conservatism, and the younger, anti-establishment ones that like memes and Breitbart hate Fox. These people are not likely to be captured by polls partially because of age and partially because a good chunk is people who don't vote regularly but were motivated to vote for Trump. FYI, this is one of the main reasons why the polls were off in the election; the polls only capture 'likely voters', and Trump's base had a huge chunk of unlikely voters who weren't polled, which threw things off. It wasn't so much deliberate fuckery with the polls (there may have been some? who knows?), it was that a methodology that worked for more traditional elections failed here.

Seriously guys, just ignore him.  No matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on, conservative or liberal, engaging with people like this guy is never going to be productive.  People like him don't actually care about politics, or having an informed opinion, or even reality;  They only care about "winning."  Being able to say "I am right" regardless of whether or not that actually means anything.  They treat politics like it's a high school sporting event.  As long as you can shout and bully and harass the other team enough and you end up in the lead, nothing else matters.

People like this exist on both sides. I'm not totally sure this guy is here in bad faith, maybe he just doesn't know how to have a respectable discussion. Politics is really hostile these days and he's not the only one flinging insults by any stretch. I might be wasting my time here, but eh, I like to give massive amounts of the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, Luigi guy, you can have an insult slap fight with Byakko all you want, but it's going to be an insult slap fight, whatever political points you're trying to make aren't going to be heard.

Byakko: I'm going to regret this, but... How can the courts 'declare that someone is a racist'?

Oh, and believe or not: It's not a generalization that most conservatives watch Fox News and then are uninformed... it's true. At least Snakebyte is informed... this guy isn't, and that's why he's on the ignore list.

I don't think it's true that most conservatives watch Fox anymore, I'd say it's closer to half. Also, thank you for the compliment. For the record, though, I am not a conservative. I'm expecting most people not to believe that given how I post in politics threads, but it's true.

Jango: How old are those polls? The political landscape has changed A FUCKING LOT in the last 2 years. Not saying the results are wrong, just bringing up the possibility, if they're current I'll accept them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 09:26:12 pm
Byakko: I'm going to regret this, but... How can the courts 'declare that someone is a racist'?
He was sentenced over racially targeted behavior. Don't nitpick over bullshit that's easy enough to understand.
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Jango: How old are those polls? The political landscape has changed A FUCKING LOT in the last 2 years.
Yeah, I wanted to say, Jon Stewart retired from the Daily Show in 2015. But at least it's not older than 1999.
Although I'm really not convinced that 2 years is enough for people to massively leave one network for another in such significant terms. People in big numbers tend to follow the same news channels and stick to the same streams with only minor variations for a long time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Jango on August 27, 2017, 09:41:37 pm
Yeah those are late 2014. There may be more recent polls but they were the first result in a google search lol
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 09:46:37 pm
I never once implied those polls are the same as corporate media.
Uh, yeah, you did, when you claimed that we wouldn't find a poll that has republicans and conservatives who don't follow corporate medias, you're very literally claiming that those polls are taken by corporate medias and anyone who doesn't follow corporate medias can't possibly be in those polls. What other link could there possibly be between taking those polls and following corporate medias or not ?

I mean they dont just go by what they hear and look things up for themselves. This should be obvious.
Look it up where and how exactly ? All information come from somewhere, anyone who looks up anything looks it up from somewhere. If the information doesn't come from someone else, then it's called guessing, not research.
So please, once again, do tell me exactly what information you have that contradicts those CNN and BBC reports of Trump pardoning a sheriff sentenced to prison over racism, and where did you get it ?



"Uh, yeah, you did, when you claimed that we wouldn't find a poll that has republicans and conservatives who don't follow corporate medias, you're very literally claiming that those polls are taken by corporate medias-"

No, I never said they were taken by corporate medias. Why are you mucking up this stuff?


Yes, all information comes from somewhere, but some may actually BE true and show solid PROOF, like how I provided proof that CNN and BBC are crappy sources and are untrustworthy.

"So please, once again, do tell me exactly what information you have that contradicts those CNN and BBC reports of Trump pardoning a sheriff sentenced to prison over racism, and where did you get it ?"


Oh I don't know, the U.S government?

http://www.wb-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/05-02-17-US-Answering-Brief-5.pdf




They actually dont know if the Maricopa County police officers actually DID detain plaintiffs based on race, if you read the entire document.

This is exactly what happens when Anti-Trumpers like yourself, Leftists (and political commentators in general) jump to conclusions. You end up getting things wrong and just blindly listen to what another person says instead of looking at the facts.



WHOAH BOY SOME THINGS HAPPENED HUH.

I was actually mocking Person Man for citing CNN, since it implies he probably watches CNN to get his information. (If he doesn't, then pardon me.)


You're also an asshole when you think every conservative watches Fox News because they don't believe sources coming from left-leaning ones.

And before any of you say anything, Person Man actually GAVE me a reason to believe he watched CNN since he posted a link to it. However, @Seadragon77 busted out of nowhere with the generalization that all Conservatives watch Fox News with NO evidence.

Your mocking wasn't productive, Person Man most likely just googled the event and found the information. I personally hate CNN with a burning passion because of the whole 'It's different for the media' wikileaks things, but if it's an easily verifiable fact, there's no reason to blow up about it.

That said, I strongly agree with you about the Fox News thing. There are two major camps within conservatism, and the younger, anti-establishment ones that like memes and Breitbart hate Fox. These people are not likely to be captured by polls partially because of age and partially because a good chunk is people who don't vote regularly but were motivated to vote for Trump. FYI, this is one of the main reasons why the polls were off in the election; the polls only capture 'likely voters', and Trump's base had a huge chunk of unlikely voters who weren't polled, which threw things off. It wasn't so much deliberate fuckery with the polls (there may have been some? who knows?), it was that a methodology that worked for more traditional elections failed here.

Seriously guys, just ignore him.  No matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on, conservative or liberal, engaging with people like this guy is never going to be productive.  People like him don't actually care about politics, or having an informed opinion, or even reality;  They only care about "winning."  Being able to say "I am right" regardless of whether or not that actually means anything.  They treat politics like it's a high school sporting event.  As long as you can shout and bully and harass the other team enough and you end up in the lead, nothing else matters.

People like this exist on both sides. I'm not totally sure this guy is here in bad faith, maybe he just doesn't know how to have a respectable discussion. Politics is really hostile these days and he's not the only one flinging insults by any stretch. I might be wasting my time here, but eh, I like to give massive amounts of the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, Luigi guy, you can have an insult slap fight with Byakko all you want, but it's going to be an insult slap fight, whatever political points you're trying to make aren't going to be heard.

Byakko: I'm going to regret this, but... How can the courts 'declare that someone is a racist'?

They can't if they dont even know thats what happened.

Oh, and believe or not: It's not a generalization that most conservatives watch Fox News and then are uninformed... it's true. At least Snakebyte is informed... this guy isn't, and that's why he's on the ignore list.

I don't think it's true that most conservatives watch Fox anymore, I'd say it's closer to half. Also, thank you for the compliment. For the record, though, I am not a conservative. I'm expecting most people not to believe that given how I post in politics threads, but it's true.

Jango: How old are those polls? The political landscape has changed A FUCKING LOT in the last 2 years. Not saying the results are wrong, just bringing up the possibility, if they're current I'll accept them.


I'm actually willing to have a respective discussion if the other person is willing to. If you're gonna act like a douche though, dont expect me to be nice to you. That is how it works with me.

Also, are you referring to the polls Jango posted or some other one? Now that I think about it, Jango must have gotten this from an old poll. I'll have to look this up.




Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 10:00:20 pm
No, I never said they were taken by corporate medias. Why are you mucking up this stuff?
So I repeat my question : how exactly do you posit that republicans and conservatives who do not follow corporate medias will not be included in those polls, simply because they do not follow corporate medias ?

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like how I provided proof that CNN and BBC are crappy sources and are untrustworthy.
lol no you didn't. You threw an opinion.

Quote
They actually dont know if the Maricopa County police officers actually DID detain plaintiffs based on race, if you read the entire document.
Yeah, but
Quote
ISSUE PRESENTED
 Petitioner, then a county sheriff, violated a preliminary injunction that prohibited
him from enforcing federal civil immigration law. The district court initiated criminal
contempt proceedings based on that violation. Petitioner moved to dismiss the criminal
contempt proceeding as time-barred, or in the alternative, for a jury trial. Is Petitioner
entitled to mandamus relief to challenge the district court’s denial of that motion?

CONCLUSION
 This Court should deny the petition.
They still forbade him to keep doing whatever he was doing and when he didn't comply, they charged him with criminal contempt. You're nitpicking and dodging the question.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 10:10:07 pm
No, I never said they were taken by corporate medias. Why are you mucking up this stuff?
So I repeat my question : how exactly do you posit that republicans and conservatives who do not follow corporate medias will not be included in those polls, simply because they do not follow corporate medias ?

Quote
like how I provided proof that CNN and BBC are crappy sources and are untrustworthy.
lol no you didn't. You threw an opinion.

Quote
They actually dont know if the Maricopa County police officers actually DID detain plaintiffs based on race, if you read the entire document.
Yeah, but
Quote
ISSUE PRESENTED
 Petitioner, then a county sheriff, violated a preliminary injunction that prohibited
him from enforcing federal civil immigration law. The district court initiated criminal
contempt proceedings based on that violation. Petitioner moved to dismiss the criminal
contempt proceeding as time-barred, or in the alternative, for a jury trial. Is Petitioner
entitled to mandamus relief to challenge the district court’s denial of that motion?

CONCLUSION
 This Court should deny the petition.
They still forbade him to keep doing whatever he was doing and when he didn't comply, they charged him with criminal contempt. You're nitpicking and dodging the question.

"They still forbade him to keep doing whatever he was doing and when he didn't comply, they charged him with criminal contempt. You're nitpicking and dodging the question."


You said he was put in prison over racism, I showed you proof that wasn't the case. He was pardoned for something else, obviously.  I havent looked up what he did.

"So please, once again, do tell me exactly what information you have that contradicts those CNN and BBC reports of Trump pardoning a sheriff sentenced to prison over racism, and where did you get it"


^

Your question.


"Oh I don't know, the U.S government?"

http://www.wb-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/05-02-17-US-Answering-Brief-5.pdf

^

My answer


Mainstream media articles say Trump pardoned him for a "RACIST CRIME!!!!!!111", yet that is clearly not the case.

"lol no you didn't. You threw an opinion."

Actually if you actually read my posts, you would see that I did. Please read properly and spell properly.

"So I repeat my question : how exactly do you posit that republicans and conservatives who do not follow corporate medias will not be included in those polls, simply because they do not follow corporate medias ?"

Snakebyte DID say it's probably because of their age group, and that may be so. However, these WERE polls that show where people get their information from. Why leave out the people who dont get their information from corporate media?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 27, 2017, 10:15:40 pm
Byakko: I'm going to regret this, but... How can the courts 'declare that someone is a racist'?
He was sentenced over racially targeted behavior. Don't nitpick over bullshit that's easy enough to understand.

So you were pulling shit out of your ass. I do, in fact, regret this.

Yeah those are late 2014. There may be more recent polls but they were the first result in a google search lol

Thought so. I think polls today would be a fair bit different, as Trump motivated a whole lot of previously non-politically-active people to consider themselves conservatives and get involved in politics. However, I have no source for that whatsoever.

And with that I'm bowing out as shit appears to be devolving.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2017, 10:16:06 pm
Mainstream media articles say Trump pardoned him for a "RACIST CRIME!!!!!!111", yet that is clearly not the case.
Oh, did they
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon/index.html?sr=fbCNN082517sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon0813PMStory said:
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio on Friday, sparing the controversial former Arizona sheriff a jail sentence after he was convicted of criminal contempt related to his hard-line tactics going after undocumented immigrants.

The move drew outcry from civil rights groups, which accuse Arpaio of violating the Constitution in his crackdown on illegal immigration.
[...]
In a brief statement released late Friday evening, the White House praised Arpaio's career.
"Throughout his time as sheriff, Arpaio continued his life's work of protecting the public from the scourges of crime and illegal immigration," the statement read. "Sheriff Joe Arpaio is now 85 years old, and after more than 50 years of admirable service to our nation, he is (a) worthy candidate for a Presidential pardon."
Did you actually read the CNN link posted earlier ? What part of it does the court record contradict ? And what part of it was unclear about the reason for Trump pardoning him when the explanation came straight from the White House ?

He was sentenced over racially targeted behavior. Don't nitpick over bullshit that's easy enough to understand.
So you were pulling shit out of your ass.
He was convicted of criminal contempt over his behavior targeting specific groups of migrants based on race, why do you absolutely need this spelled out when it's obvious what everyone is talking about since the start and why are you so full of shit ? This is the exact thing that started this discussion, what the hell did you think I was talking about ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 27, 2017, 10:48:33 pm
Ok, maybe Snakebyte is a Libertarian... plenty of them out there, you know. But, from what I see here, you seem to be well versed in your knowledge of the issues unlike Weegee and his ability to not understand anything that isn't within his Anti-American purview.

Now, all a pardon does is basically avoiding prison time for his crime. He still has it on his criminal record. To be honest, though, I think there are far bigger issues right now since the Southern Coast of Texas is about to be washed out.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 27, 2017, 11:55:29 pm
Mainstream media articles say Trump pardoned him for a "RACIST CRIME!!!!!!111", yet that is clearly not the case.
Oh, did they
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon/index.html?sr=fbCNN082517sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon0813PMStory said:
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio on Friday, sparing the controversial former Arizona sheriff a jail sentence after he was convicted of criminal contempt related to his hard-line tactics going after undocumented immigrants.

The move drew outcry from civil rights groups, which accuse Arpaio of violating the Constitution in his crackdown on illegal immigration.
[...]
In a brief statement released late Friday evening, the White House praised Arpaio's career.
"Throughout his time as sheriff, Arpaio continued his life's work of protecting the public from the scourges of crime and illegal immigration," the statement read. "Sheriff Joe Arpaio is now 85 years old, and after more than 50 years of admirable service to our nation, he is (a) worthy candidate for a Presidential pardon."
Did you actually read the CNN link posted earlier ? What part of it does the court record contradict ? And what part of it was unclear about the reason for Trump pardoning him when the explanation came straight from the White House ?


He was sentenced over racially targeted behavior. Don't nitpick over bullshit that's easy enough to understand.
So you were pulling shit out of your ass.
He was convicted of criminal contempt over his behavior targeting specific groups of migrants based on race, why do you absolutely need this spelled out when it's obvious what everyone is talking about since the start and why are you so full of shit ? This is the exact thing that started this discussion, what the hell did you think I was talking about ?


"What part of it does the court record contradict"

If you have to ask that question, then it's clear you didn't actually read my link and just skimmed through it.

The article says Joe was convicted of criminal contempt......but where is the fucking proof he did?

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: BrawlTheMan on August 28, 2017, 12:02:03 am
And with that I'm bowing out as shit appears to be devolving.

Good luck.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Byakko on August 28, 2017, 12:14:56 am
The article says Joe was convicted of criminal contempt......but where is the fucking proof he did?
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On July 31, 2017, Arpaio was found guilty of criminal contempt of court. U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote that Arpaio had "willfully violated an order of the court" by failing "to ensure his subordinates' compliance and by directing them to continue to detain persons for whom no criminal charges could be filed." Arpaio was scheduled to be sentenced in October 2017.
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The sentencing phase will begin Oct. 5. Arpaio, 85, faces up to six months in confinement, a sentence equivalent to that of a misdemeanor.
This is what he was pardoned from.
www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/07/31/maricopa-county-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt-court/486278001/ has the full court report at the bottom.
Two minutes in Google to find that court report. How do you do your research again ?


This claim you made here
Quote
Mainstream media articles say Trump pardoned him for a "RACIST CRIME!!!!!!111", yet that is clearly not the case.
is false.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Seadragon77 on August 28, 2017, 01:31:10 am
The best thing to do is to ignore him Byakko. He's not going to listen to facts or reason unless it confirms his biases.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Pray the Gay Away edition
Post by: Titiln on August 28, 2017, 01:50:38 am
Two minutes in Google
LOL google, how about you use a search engine that isnt run by liberals and find the REAL story
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 28, 2017, 02:14:24 am
The best thing to do is to ignore him Byakko. He's not going to listen to facts or reason unless it confirms his biases.

How cute. You're copying the things I said like a child.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 28, 2017, 02:17:48 am
@Seadragon77: Actually I consider myself center-left. I am just very strongly pro-free-speech and against lying about political opponents. I am for 'big government' in a lot of ways, universal health care being a big one, so I'm def not big-L Libertarian. In all my posting here I don't talk about my own positions on things much, I just try to counter things I believe are factually incorrect. Policy-wise I'm with Trump on a couple things but against him on others.

@Titiln: You would be surprised at some of the shady shit Google has done lately in terms of screwing with search results. It's still low key enough that your joke works just fine and googling things is generally fine, but... yikes. Might be reality sooner or later if trends continue.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on August 28, 2017, 02:38:09 am
You might want to look up a thing called the "Shock and Awe Doctrine." Any time Trump does something headline grabbing like this, pay attention to whats happening in the FBI's case against him. This whole pardoning some racist judge of contempt, and the thing about banning Trannies in the military were both done right after major breaks in the FBI case including subpoenas and FBI raids.

Dudes trying to distract you, and its working.

No worries though looks like the FBI is going to make him go away forever.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Byakko on August 28, 2017, 02:48:45 am
Yeah, his distraction isn't very effective when it has no effect on the people actually working against him, and won't change anything in the case against him. Sure the media isn't on his back about it and he's not loosing face (well, not about that anyway) but it doesn't change where it's going. This isn't so much a diversion tactic as it's just a child trying to make himself feel good because other bad things are happening.

You would be surprised at some of the shady shit Google has done lately in terms of screwing with search results.
It took me to wikipedia then some Arizona news site that had the actual court report. So far it's good enough.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 28, 2017, 02:49:11 am
Infowars-esque conspiracy theories

(http://i.imgur.com/gn9Pb.gif)

Spoiler: ITT Gay Frogs (click to see content)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 28, 2017, 03:14:21 am
Quote
You would be surprised at some of the shady shit Google has done lately in terms of screwing with search results.
It took me to wikipedia then some Arizona news site that had the actual court report. So far it's good enough.

Yeah for sure! Bringing up a semi-related issue, not trying to say there was anything wrong with your search. I might do some research into Google weirdness and toss it here later on, we'll see how bored I get.

(edit: the quote broke and killed your name and i'm too lazy to fix it)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on August 28, 2017, 01:34:43 pm
Two minutes in Google
LOL google, how about you use a search engine that isnt run by liberals and find the REAL story

http://www.wb-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/05-02-17-US-Answering-Brief-5.pdf

Linked him to this, he denied it. lol. (Well, more like pull pseudo-logical bullcrap out of his ass since he obviously didn't actually read it.)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Byakko on August 28, 2017, 02:04:14 pm
Did you read the one I posted ? Because it makes yours irrelevant.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Iced on August 28, 2017, 06:06:02 pm
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/24/arizona-man-loses-job-after-posting-facebook-threat-to-trump-protesters-before-rally/596125001/

Another poor victim of schroendiger asshole, where you are an asshole and then it turns out to be a joke or to be serious depending if you get repercussions for it.

   
"I don't care that I got fired. I already got another job," he said. "The only thing that upsets me about this situation is that adults are able to throw a tantrum and raise hell and get what they want by doing so. This is not how America is supposed to work."


(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/h/hk/fark_hkNJiilJ40Y-ozQDUMnWi7Tsj2A.jpg?t=E1l1ei7PHwpZpDaKqx5IxA&f=1504497600)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Lets Forgive Racists edition
Post by: Snakebyte on August 29, 2017, 10:08:53 pm
Here's a solid explanation of the pro-Arpaio side of things. Warning for profanity.



Not saying I agree with it, I really have no idea what the deal is on this issue, just presented for discussion.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trans can stay for now...
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 30, 2017, 09:15:01 pm
Secretary Mattis orders a stay on Trump's new policy regarding transgenders currently serving in the military until an internal study can be concluded (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/29/mattis-orders-pentagon-allow-transgender-troops-continue-serving-pending-study/614711001/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Trans can stay for now...
Post by: Byakko on August 30, 2017, 09:36:52 pm
Hahaha what the hell. Trump is getting ditched by the Defense now ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FCC chair is a "filthy cuck"
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 31, 2017, 06:46:47 am
https://web.archive.org/web/20170831013723/https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/DOC-578d579d1f000000-A.pdf
https://archive.is/jt2SY

Someone mind explaining what the hell just happened?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FCC chair is a "filthy cuck"
Post by: rgveda99 on September 01, 2017, 05:35:03 am
I didn't even knew who Ajit Pai until I googled it.

http://gizmodo.com/no-the-fcc-did-not-post-a-statement-trashing-ajit-pai-1798652644

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Parts of Twitter lit up on Wednesday evening with the news the Federal Communications Commission, which is now headed by Donald Trump appointee and unflinching net neutrality opponent Ajit Pai, had posted a statement insulting the chairman in the grossest possible terms.

The message—which is not real—is hosted on the FCC website, and purported to be a public relations statement just 16 words long: “Dear American citizenry, we’re sorry Ajit Pai is such a filthy spineless cuck. Sincerely, the FCC.”
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire him anyway...
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 02, 2017, 07:00:12 am
A draft letter indicates that Trump acted alone in the decision to fire former FBI Director Comey, contrary to official reports stating he consulted with Sessions & Rosenstein first. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-examining-trumps-draft-letter-firing-fbi-director-comey/2017/09/01/52c6cd8e-8f17-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.ad7e88026083)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire Comey anyway
Post by: Foobs on September 02, 2017, 06:33:28 pm
The FBI and The US Department of Homeland Security consider Antifa domestic terrorists (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235)

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In interviews, law enforcement authorities made clear that Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and policies — first as a candidate and then as president — helped to create a situation that has escalated so quickly and extensively that they do not have a handle on it.

“It was in that period [as the Trump campaign emerged] that we really became aware of them,” said one senior law enforcement official tracking domestic extremists in a state that has become a front line in clashes between the groups. “These antifa guys were showing up with weapons, shields and bike helmets and just beating the shit out of people. … They’re using Molotov cocktails, they’re starting fires, they’re throwing bombs and smashing windows.”

Almost immediately, the right-wing targets of the antifa attacks began fighting back, bringing more and larger weapons and launching unprovoked attacks of their own, the documents and interviews show. And the extremists on both sides have been using the confrontations, especially since Charlottesville, to recruit unprecedented numbers of new members, raise money and threaten more confrontations, they say.

“Everybody is wondering, 'What are we gonna do? How are we gonna deal with this?'” said the senior state law enforcement official. “Every time they have one of these protests where both sides are bringing guns, there are sphincters tightening in my world. Emotions get high, and fingers get twitchy on the trigger.”

And the latest White House petition to "formally recognize Antifa as a terrorist organization" has well over 100,000 signatures, meaning the WH has to make a statement on it. (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0)

We should expect Trump to speak soon.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire Comey anyway
Post by: Snakebyte on September 02, 2017, 07:25:40 pm
This whole shift (and I think the left started it, Nancy Pelosi's statement was the first thing I saw) really restored my faith in humanity. This may actually de-escalate this insanity.

(and no, I'm not advocating for the fascists or anything, don't be silly. Arrest all of them that actually do crimes. Please.)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire Comey anyway
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 02, 2017, 07:29:29 pm
Unlike many, many people who want the blame the entire left for the rise of Antifa, it's a small part of liberal landscape and, if you ask me, I have disowned those who advocate violence.

Those are the kind of people who help create the mentality that those on the left are violent and would rather destroy things. How is that helpful?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire Comey anyway
Post by: Snakebyte on September 02, 2017, 09:25:06 pm
People who blame the entire left for the rise of Antifa aren't saying the entire left is violent, they're saying that (until very recently) the left refused to criticize violence when it came from the left, acted like violence only came from the right, kept saying it was okay to punch Nazis, called everyone Nazis, etc. Everyone who attacked Trump for saying there was hatred and violence on both sides at Charlottesville was giving cover to Antifa's violence.

Also, when people say things like 'the entire left', they don't mean you as an individual, they generally mean politicians, the media, the general consensus on social media, etc. It's obviously not the ENTIRE left.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire Comey anyway
Post by: Niitris on September 03, 2017, 12:50:18 am
^ This pretty much.
The trouble they've caused has bubbled for about a year now, media was more or less fluffing over it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.154ac7abcbf3

This incident was the catalyst for the sudden condemning of Antifa and other far-left violence.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: I was gonna fire Comey anyway
Post by: Foobs on September 03, 2017, 01:07:23 am
MSM and the powers that be have been ready to throw Antifa under the bus since Charlottesville (https://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/17/jake-tapper-antifa-protesters-attacked-several-journalists/), but didn't go all out on their asses then because they had to capitalize on the alt-right shitbag who ran over those protesters and Trump's ill-timed condemnation of violence on many sides.

btw I think labeling them as terrorist is overkill, same as with white supremacists.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FBI labels Antifa as terrorists
Post by: Snakebyte on September 03, 2017, 04:02:44 am
I truly don't understand why MSM suddenly turned on Antifa so I can't even talk about it intelligently.

My politics-fu has utterly failed me on this point.

I look at it and it's like people suddenly decided to start having a conscience and while that's awesome it's also mystifying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FBI labels Antifa as terrorists
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 03, 2017, 05:03:11 am
I truly don't understand why MSM suddenly turned on Antifa so I can't even talk about it intelligently.

My politics-fu has utterly failed me on this point.

I look at it and it's like people suddenly decided to start having a conscience and while that's awesome it's also mystifying.


At least now they're doing the right thing by rightfully condemning ANITFA.


Also, check this cringe out:





I'm a little bit less worried about ANTIFA now than I was before...

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FBI labels Antifa as terrorists
Post by: Foobs on September 03, 2017, 05:27:36 am
It's pretty simple: antifa are useful idiots. Useful idiots are sooner or later thrown under the bus. Antifa is, ironically enough, the equivalent of the brown shirts. Well it's not so much "irony" as it is hypocrisy and lack of self awareness.

They bring the worse out of the right wherever they go, and the media could (and did) sell it as one-sided violence from subhuman redneck klansmen gamergate nazis to the masses, rarely ever portraying antifa as the sociopathic self righteous thugs they are. The nazi imagery and deus vult shit made it so much easier.

The idea must always have been to keep them around to shit on Trump's voter base for a while and then get rid of them and condemn their actions at some point before the next midterm elections, keeping the narrative that the right holds a monopoly on political violence and idiocy and the left always takes the high road.

Said plan could've worked just fine for much longer but now that people on blue cities are tired of having their property vandalized by antifa and news reporters fear being assaulted by them, so they are no longer an asset, they're a liability.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FBI labels Antifa as terrorists
Post by: Snakebyte on September 03, 2017, 05:47:51 am
You have a much higher opinion of the media than I do. It would never occur to me that they would have any kind of clever, long-term plan like that. I didn't think they had the capacity for it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: FBI labels Antifa as terrorists
Post by: Jmorphman on September 04, 2017, 06:46:17 am
Trump is gonna end DACA, with a six month delay. (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/349095-trump-to-end-daca-with-6-month-delay-report)

what a piece of shit motherfucker
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 04, 2017, 07:29:29 am
Even Bernie Sanders had some harsh words to say about Trump's decision to end DACA (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/349099-sanders-trump-ending-daca-one-of-the-ugliest-and-cruelest-decisions-ever-made)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 04, 2017, 09:35:00 am
I will never understand the American left's refusal to respect immigration laws.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Foobs on September 04, 2017, 01:35:00 pm
That's because they know it's fucking impossible to change them. Every bipartisan attempt at sensible migratory reform dies on congress.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Person Man on September 04, 2017, 02:16:57 pm
While Houston struggles with the devastating aftermath of Hurricane Harvey, and Los Angeles is suffering the biggest wildfire in the city's history, the president has decided that the government's main priority should be deporting children.

I wish I could say I'm surprised.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Makkah on September 04, 2017, 03:59:18 pm
He's only concerned about scoring points with his deplorables, so it's really no surprise.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 04, 2017, 09:46:34 pm
I will never understand the American left's refusal to respect immigration laws.

the right also refuses to respect them; the biggest problem is that respecting immigration laws is unsustainable, so everybody disrespects them one way or another, trumps' wife herself already broke them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Niitris on September 04, 2017, 11:53:00 pm
Democrats want their voter bloc spike, Republicans don't wanna look anti-immigrant, and both want their cheap labor (latter being more transparent about it). Any attempt at aggressive reform will cause backlash from the whole political community.

Even if a genuine effort was made, there's no neat answer between enforcing proper immigration control and breaking up family units.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 05, 2017, 12:49:10 am
like it was said by a canadian tlcan negotiator (and that mexican media twisted for their own deals) to have any sort of even foting for the negotiationstrumps wants to make, mexico's minimum wage needs to be 4 usd per hour (not per day), otherwise we will have to keep on working with the patches and chewing gum kind of system we have had going since world war ii, when the usa opened their borders to the mexicans because of a lack of workforce.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2017, 07:34:22 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/us/politics/trump-daca-dreamers-immigration.html
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As late as one hour before the decision was to be announced, administration officials privately expressed concern that Mr. Trump might not fully grasp the details of the steps he was about to take, and when he discovered their full impact, would change his mind, according to a person familiar with their thinking who spoke on condition of anonymity without authorization to comment on it.
This is all very normal for a president to do on the eve of a huge policy change, Actually, and anyone who disagrees is just a dirty liberal who refuses to respect immigration laws.

But hey, don't worry, Congress might step and save the Dreamers, as long as they make a downpayment on the border wall! (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/04/trump-congress-dreamers-daca-242310)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Gennos on September 06, 2017, 06:33:13 pm
the shit website breithart used a stock picture of a gang from fucking el salvador and said they were DACA recipients.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI_5-mOXcAIAR95.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI_6O7BXoAAS_Mm.jpg)
ironic isn't memelord? your favorite website is faking pictures to suit their own agenda, where is your "pffffffffffffhahahaha" for it?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Foobs on September 06, 2017, 06:52:49 pm
Those are Salvatruchas. That's an international criminal organization. They use the same gang signs in California as they do in Guatemala and El Salvador.

Ironically enough, they became as strong as they are *because* of America's deportation policies. That one totally flew over Breitbart's head.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 06, 2017, 08:16:09 pm
2 thousand out of 800 thousand.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 07, 2017, 06:31:52 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/us/politics/trump-daca-dreamers-immigration.html
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As late as one hour before the decision was to be announced, administration officials privately expressed concern that Mr. Trump might not fully grasp the details of the steps he was about to take, and when he discovered their full impact, would change his mind, according to a person familiar with their thinking who spoke on condition of anonymity without authorization to comment on it.
This is all very normal for a president to do on the eve of a huge policy change, Actually, and anyone who disagrees is just a dirty liberal who refuses to respect immigration laws.

But hey, don't worry, Congress might step and save the Dreamers, as long as they make a downpayment on the border wall! (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/04/trump-congress-dreamers-daca-242310)

No, actually, the laughter here is 'according to a person familiar with their thinking', which is code for 'pulled completely out of NYT's ass as a means to discredit Trump'.

The fakest of news, jeez.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Jmorphman on September 07, 2017, 08:17:58 am
I also find that dismissing out of hand the very idea of anonymous sources—even ones reported on by one of the most highly respected news organizations in the world—is very smart, too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Makkah on September 07, 2017, 02:09:06 pm
Which is the same crap Trump has been pulling forever.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: DACA is DEAD!!!
Post by: Jmorphman on September 08, 2017, 01:14:45 am
In a major, upcoming Supreme Court Case, the Justice Department is siding with a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/in-major-supreme-court-case-justice-dept-sides-with-baker-who-refused-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple/2017/09/07/fb84f116-93f0-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.90d88a4d3918)

Y'know, because Trump is so pro-LGBT.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Foobs on September 08, 2017, 01:21:49 am
...they pushed that stupid case all the way to the supreme court?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 08, 2017, 06:29:32 am
I also find that dismissing out of hand the very idea of anonymous sources—even ones reported on by one of the most highly respected news organizations in the world—is very smart, too.

The New York Times, respected.

That's fucking adorable.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 08, 2017, 06:51:38 am
Oh, brother.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: MAO11 on September 08, 2017, 10:52:11 am
The north Korean channel is the best source of unbiased news.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 08, 2017, 02:08:59 pm
Maybe--and this is just a thought, mind--rather than mocking everyone who disagrees with you, you should look at the political stories the NYT has published with anonymous sources, and notice how many of them turned out to be completely false.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 08, 2017, 06:02:04 pm
Examples?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Person Man on September 08, 2017, 06:26:59 pm
No, no, no, that's not how internet debating works, silly.  You don't provide  examples to prove your point.  You make broad empty declarations about how right you are, then make the other guy do your work for you by suggesting they "actually try doing a little research."

Remember, if you keep acting like it's the other guy talking out of his ass, nobody will figure out it's actually you!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 09, 2017, 02:29:17 am
I started working a 9-5 this week and I'd rather use my limited free time not doing tons of research to support my internet shit-talking. I actually would have done it if this conservation had happened a couple of weeks ago. If you want to declare that a victory go ahead, but really, I am normally a debate masochist I am just leeched of energy from this whole being a worker drone for eight hours a day thing.

I don't have any sources at hand, I was explaining how I came to my position. If that position is not supported by the evidence then I am wrong and should reconsider, but right now I'm going to play hearthstone and go to sleep because mother of fuck I am tired.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 09, 2017, 05:20:33 pm
the time you spent making that post couldve been spent on googling "TIMES NYT WAS COMPLETELY WRONG" and tossing a few links into a post. that shouldnt be hard if the wrong stories were supposedly widely known
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 09, 2017, 09:29:00 pm
In a major, upcoming Supreme Court Case, the Justice Department is siding with a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/in-major-supreme-court-case-justice-dept-sides-with-baker-who-refused-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple/2017/09/07/fb84f116-93f0-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.90d88a4d3918)

Y'know, because Trump is so pro-LGBT.

So basically you think it's ok force private organizations to bake gay wedding cakes? This is not "Liberal" at all.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 09, 2017, 09:45:01 pm
force private organizations to bake gay wedding cakes
Wow, that is so awful, what kind of man would dare do that to a poor wedding cake baker, have you no heart, think of the trauma the poor baker would experience if he did the work he makes a living from
I don't even want to think the distraught he'd go through if he was forced against his will to bake a cake for a couple of niggers. So awful.

edit - did the baker at least have a "no dogs or gays" sign at his door ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2017, 09:46:05 pm
Freedom of religion does not give one the right to discriminate. This is pretty well established case-law, it just hasn't yet been extended to LGBTQ-related issues.

Try replacing "baker refuses to bake wedding cake for gay couple" with "baker refuses to bake wedding cake for interracial couple", or perhaps with "baker refuses to bake wedding cake for Jewish couple", or what have you, and see where that leads you.

Also FYI,
This is not "Liberal" at all.
you should really try working on your argumentative skills some more before you try a "checkmate, atheists" kinda thing. Save some embarrassment, and all, y'know?


the time you spent making that post couldve been spent on googling "TIMES NYT WAS COMPLETELY WRONG" and tossing a few links into a post. that shouldnt be hard if the wrong stories were supposedly widely known
Even so, no news organization is gonna be 100% right, but the NYT has a sterling reputation for good reason, and a few examples of them getting stuff wrong isn't gonna change that (especially since most of them wind up getting a correction issued).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 09, 2017, 10:14:11 pm
Freedom of religion does not give one the right to discriminate. This is pretty well established case-law, it just hasn't yet been extended to LGBTQ-related issues.

Try replacing "baker refuses to bake wedding cake for gay couple" with "baker refuses to bake wedding cake for interracial couple", or perhaps with "baker refuses to bake wedding cake for Jewish couple", or what have you, and see where that leads you.

Also FYI,
This is not "Liberal" at all.
you should really try working on your argumentative skills some more before you try a "checkmate, atheists" kinda thing. Save some embarrassment, and all, y'know?


the time you spent making that post couldve been spent on googling "TIMES NYT WAS COMPLETELY WRONG" and tossing a few links into a post. that shouldnt be hard if the wrong stories were supposedly widely known
Even so, no news organization is gonna be 100% right, but the NYT has a sterling reputation for good reason, and a few examples of them getting stuff wrong isn't gonna change that (especially since most of them wind up getting a correction issued).



Ok, first off, that attempt to relate race to sexual orientation was pathetic.  I don't think i'm the one that needs to work on their argumentative skills.


Second, refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is not discriminatory. Private organizations fully withhold the right to refuse services such as baking cakes, or anything else. Twitter bans people with right-leaning views, but they have the right to do that. (And yes, they do do that. In their case, that's wrong, but they still can do it.)

The guy clearly did not refuse service to them because they were gay. That would be wrong. But simply refusing to contribute to a gay wedding by baking a cake for them is not discriminatory in any way, shape or form. Most of you LGBT supporters have a hard time seeing the difference between discrimination and disagreement with one's lifestyle though, so i'm honestly not surprised.





"you should really try working on your argumentative skills some more before you try a "checkmate, atheists" kinda thing. Save some embarrassment, and all, y'know?"



Embarrassment from what? From a couple of people mocking me who obviously have NO idea what they're talking about in the first place and cite faulty news sources while dismissing others like Breitbart just because it doesn't agree with you? Please.



Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 09, 2017, 10:17:17 pm
The guy clearly did not refuse service to them because they were gay. That would be wrong. But simply refusing to contribute to a gay wedding by baking a cake for them is not discriminatory in any way, shape or form.
do you know what discrimination means

Twitter bans people with right-leaning views, but they have the right to do that. (And yes, they do do that. In their case, that's wrong, but they still can do it.)
they've suspended left leaning accounts too. twitter bans are mostly arbitrary and they are incompetent with everybody regardless of political alignment
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 09, 2017, 10:18:14 pm
refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is not discriminatory. Private organizations fully withhold the right to refuse services such as baking cakes, or anything else. Twitter bans people with right-leaning views, but they have the right to do that. (And yes, they do do that. In their case, that's wrong, but they still can do it.)
So basically you think it's ok force private organizations to bake gay wedding cakes? This is not "Liberal" at all.

Unless you have a problem with forcing organizations to bake wedding cakes for black people, then yes, it is okay. Besides, even if they have the "right" to refuse services to blacks doesn't mean that they should.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 09, 2017, 10:32:33 pm
refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is not discriminatory. Private organizations fully withhold the right to refuse services such as baking cakes, or anything else. Twitter bans people with right-leaning views, but they have the right to do that. (And yes, they do do that. In their case, that's wrong, but they still can do it.)
So basically you think it's ok force private organizations to bake gay wedding cakes? This is not "Liberal" at all.

Unless you have a problem with forcing organizations to bake wedding cakes for black people, then yes, it is okay.

ACTUALLY, no it is not. Coming from someone who's black, even if some racist fuck refused to make wedding cakes for black people, he would still had a right to do that. It doesn't make it RIGHT, however.  I will say that. But you fail to understand that freedom of expression and speech and applies to everyone, including people you loathe. IN this case, the baker refused service because they wanted to follow their beliefs. People in the world do plenty of things they shouldn't. Mindlessly shouting "HOMOPHOBE!!!11" 24/7 isn't going to stop them, however.



The guy clearly did not refuse service to them because they were gay. That would be wrong. But simply refusing to contribute to a gay wedding by baking a cake for them is not discriminatory in any way, shape or form.
do you know what discrimination means

Twitter bans people with right-leaning views, but they have the right to do that. (And yes, they do do that. In their case, that's wrong, but they still can do it.)
they've suspended left leaning accounts too. twitter bans are mostly arbitrary and they are incompetent with everybody regardless of political alignment

Yes I do. Why are you asking me this question?

So Twitter DOESN'T have a left wing bias? Hm. Guess Naked Ape's account getting banned was just coincidence.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 09, 2017, 10:39:26 pm
Yes I do. Why are you asking me this question?
Because refusal of service on the sole ground of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, hair color or whatever is exactly the definition of discrimination. How is this even a question and how do you not understand that.
even if some racist fuck refused to make wedding cakes for black people, he would still had a right to do that. It doesn't make it RIGHT, however. You fail to understand that freedom of expression and speech applies to everyone, including people you loathe.
... And it's called discrimination. This isn't freedom of speech or expression.
Guess Naked Ape's account getting banned was just coincidence.
I have no idea who that is but yes, yes it was. Literally a single droplet in a sea of other accounts that also get banned for any reason at all - except race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, hair color or political affiliation because that would be discrimination.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2017, 10:42:17 pm
The guy clearly did not refuse service to them because they were gay. That would be wrong. But simply refusing to contribute to a gay wedding by baking a cake for them is not discriminatory in any way, shape or form.
So... he refused to bake a cake for a couple because they were gay. Got it. :yeses:

Most of you LGBT supporters have a hard time seeing the difference between discrimination and disagreement with one's lifestyle though, so i'm honestly not surprised.
If you run a business, you don't get to discriminate against your customers based on race, religion, sexuality, or what have you. It has precisely nothing to do with whether you argree with someone's "lifestyle" or not. If you aren't willing to bake cakes for gay people, then don't run a fucking bakery.

Again, what exactly is the difference between this dude refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and him refusing to bake one for an interracial couple? Don't get all haughty about how "pathetic" it is to compare the discrimination of two marginalized groups, actually explain your reasoning, or don't bother replying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Do not even ask on September 09, 2017, 10:46:06 pm
I have no idea who that is but yes, yes it was.

Naked Ape is one of the dime-a-dozen "rational" youtubers, except he's "special" in that he really really wants to be the next Milo Yiannopoulos so he makes blatantly false accusations on twitter in a sad attempt to garner attention.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 09, 2017, 10:57:25 pm
The guy clearly did not refuse service to them because they were gay. That would be wrong. But simply refusing to contribute to a gay wedding by baking a cake for them is not discriminatory in any way, shape or form.
So... he refused to bake a cake for a couple because they were gay. Got it. :yeses:

Most of you LGBT supporters have a hard time seeing the difference between discrimination and disagreement with one's lifestyle though, so i'm honestly not surprised.
If you run a business, you don't get to discriminate against your customers based on race, religion, sexuality, or what have you. It has precisely nothing to do with whether you argree with someone's "lifestyle" or not. If you aren't willing to bake cakes for gay people, then don't run a fucking bakery.

Again, what exactly is the difference between this dude refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and him refusing to bake one for an interracial couple? Don't get all haughty about how "pathetic" it is to compare the discrimination of two marginalized groups, actually explain your reasoning, or don't bother replying.

If that's what you got from it, then you clearly have low comprehension skills.

" If you aren't willing to bake cakes for gay people, then don't run a fucking bakery."

That's not how it works, silly. If you own a business, then you can pretty much do as you like and run it how you want as long as it's legal. What this baker did was NOT illegal. Everyone's just condemning this guy because they wanna jack themselves off to how morally righteous they think they are for "supporting the rights for the LGBTQBBQKFC+ pplz!!!!11"



"Again, what exactly is the difference between this dude refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and him refusing to bake one for an interracial couple? Don't get all haughty about how "pathetic" it is to compare the discrimination of two marginalized groups, actually explain your reasoning, or don't bother replying."

The difference is the ACTUAL reason why this guy did it. It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding. Please, look past your bias for one second sir.

I have no idea who that is but yes, yes it was.

Naked Ape is one of the dime-a-dozen "rational" youtubers, except he's "special" in that he really really wants to be the next Milo Yiannopoulos so he makes blatantly false accusations on twitter in a sad attempt to garner attention.

What blatantly false accusations are you referring to? Please provide examples.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 09, 2017, 11:00:35 pm
It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.
He didn't want to contribute a cake to a wedding because it was a gay wedding do you even understand the sentences you type or what
edit - what exactly do you think would happen if a straight couple came through the door and asked for a wedding cake for a gay couple, and how would you justify his refusal to serve cake for the wedding of a gay couple beside "it's discrimination against gays"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Person Man on September 09, 2017, 11:06:01 pm
Again, you're all arguing politics with someone who calls himself "meme lord."  Nothing worthwhile is going to be gained here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2017, 11:10:54 pm
That's not how it works, silly. If you own a business, then you can pretty much do as you like and run it how you want as long as it's legal. What this baker did was NOT illegal.
It's literally exactly how it works, dingus. Owning a business subjects you to various laws, several of which relate to preventing discriminatory behavior.

I'd advise you to read up on American history in the 1950s and 60s, specifically about the civil rights movement of that era. You might find the parts about businesses trying to use freedom of religion/expression to defend against racial dicrimination charges especially enlightening.

Everyone's just condemning this guy because they wanna jack themselves off to how morally righteous they think they are for "supporting the rights for the LGBTQBBQKFC+ pplz!!!!11"
I'm deeply, truly sorry that my personal interest in wanting to see discrimination against fellow queer people stamped out is causing you such pain and torment, to the point that you're vividly imagining people furiously masturbating. I truly apologize.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Mechy on September 09, 2017, 11:16:33 pm
When you live your life as meme filled as he does (as would be necessary for the title of "lord") you tend to forget that there are real people who fall into the categories that people get "morally righteous" over supporting.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Do not even ask on September 09, 2017, 11:20:02 pm
What blatantly false accusations are you referring to? Please provide examples.

Kind of hard to provide evidence when the account in question is gone.

Typically how he'd go about is @ing people (left-wing YTs usually) and then accusing them of being a pedophile or saying insidious bigoted things in DM. Then when the person responded back telling him he's just making shit up he'd go "lolool look at this triggered snowflake". Total worthless sack of shit, glad he's gone from twitter. Maybe he can go be a jackass on Minds or whatever Twitter-alternative the alt-right is shitting up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 09, 2017, 11:27:49 pm
It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.
"it wasn't because they're gay but it was because they're being gay"
the logic here is mindbogglingly idiotic. bravo memelord, you're the biggest moron i've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 09, 2017, 11:30:11 pm
how is this discussion real

discrimination is not okay and yes the government needs to step in when it happens. deal with it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Do not even ask on September 09, 2017, 11:41:39 pm
also dude snakebyte, if you're working fulltime don't waste your free time with petty arguments. i have this MAGAsshole at work who is always talking politics and until recently I'd always be arguing with him and searching up sources to support my claims and he'd shoot each one down as "typical brainwashing from the globalist elite" or someshit like that. moment he revealed he was a 9/11 truther i just decided fuck this this isn't worth cutting out my shitposting and jay owen time at home to look up sources to argue with this dipshit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 09, 2017, 11:44:46 pm
the kkk did NOT abuse black people because they were black, they just didn't want to contribute to social equality.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on September 09, 2017, 11:50:22 pm
Am I the only one that thinks its hilarious that a guy whose job is to make giant frilly, flowery wedding cakes is so outraged by a request to make a gay cake, that he was willing to go to the supreme court over it?

This might be the first time someones case of projecting made it all the way to the higher courts.

"The idea of two handsome men, feeding each other my rich velvety black forest cake just fills me with rage! I just cant stop thinking about them, wiping off the extras frosting from each others lips, while staring lovingly into each others eyes. It haunts my dreams every night." - Actual quote from this baker guy that I totally didn't make up.

We get it guy. you are the most straight guy to make giant vanilla frosted rainbow cakes ever. lets not make a supreme court case out of it.

As for why Donald Trump is supporting the guy, have you missed the last six months? This is his MO.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Niitris on September 10, 2017, 12:48:55 am
Second, refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is not discriminatory.
It is if you do for straight couples, unless the definition of discriminate changed when everyone was sleep.

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Private organizations fully withhold the right to refuse services such as baking cakes, or anything else.
The civil rights act prohibits private business from dening any public accomadation based on race, religion, or nationality. Sexual orientation simply isn't covered.

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Twitter bans people with right-leaning views, but they have the right to do that.
Twitter doesn't charge you to use their platform. Banning someone from a free service =/= denying an accomadation to a customer.

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Coming from someone who's black, even if some racist fuck refused to make wedding cakes for black people, he would still had a right to do that.
The civil rights act literally prohibits anyone from doing this, wtf?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 02:25:26 am
Again, you're all arguing politics with someone who calls himself "meme lord."  Nothing worthwhile is going to be gained here.

So you don't have an actual argument. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Less time will be wasted.

That's not how it works, silly. If you own a business, then you can pretty much do as you like and run it how you want as long as it's legal. What this baker did was NOT illegal.
It's literally exactly how it works, dingus. Owning a business subjects you to various laws, several of which relate to preventing discriminatory behavior.

I'd advise you to read up on American history in the 1950s and 60s, specifically about the civil rights movement of that era. You might find the parts about businesses trying to use freedom of religion/expression to defend against racial dicrimination charges especially enlightening.

Everyone's just condemning this guy because they wanna jack themselves off to how morally righteous they think they are for "supporting the rights for the LGBTQBBQKFC+ pplz!!!!11"
I'm deeply, truly sorry that my personal interest in wanting to see discrimination against fellow queer people stamped out is causing you such pain and torment, to the point that you're vividly imagining people furiously masturbating. I truly apologize.



Except what happened in the 60's does not apply here. Nobody is homophobic for not wanting to contribute to a gay wedding. Get it through your thick skull, you buffoon.


"I'm deeply, truly sorry that my personal interest in wanting to see discrimination against fellow queer people stamped out is causing you such pain and torment, to the point that you're vividly imagining people furiously masturbating. I truly apologize."

And I apologize for you struggling with delusions.



What blatantly false accusations are you referring to? Please provide examples.

Kind of hard to provide evidence when the account in question is gone.

Typically how he'd go about is @ing people (left-wing YTs usually) and then accusing them of being a pedophile or saying insidious bigoted things in DM. Then when the person responded back telling him he's just making shit up he'd go "lolool look at this triggered snowflake". Total worthless sack of shit, glad he's gone from twitter. Maybe he can go be a jackass on Minds or whatever Twitter-alternative the alt-right is shitting up.

Ah, so basically you're pissed off that he says things you don't like. Gotcha.


It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.
"it wasn't because they're gay but it was because they're being gay"
the logic here is mindbogglingly idiotic. bravo memelord, you're the biggest moron i've ever seen.

Someone needs to look in the mirror.



Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 02:34:55 am
Except what happened in the 60's does not apply here. Nobody is homophobic for not wanting to contribute to a gay wedding.
Which leads us back to this:
Again, what exactly is the difference between this dude refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and him refusing to bake one for an interracial couple?
Please answer the question.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 02:47:36 am
Except what happened in the 60's does not apply here. Nobody is homophobic for not wanting to contribute to a gay wedding.
Which leads us back to this:
Again, what exactly is the difference between this dude refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and him refusing to bake one for an interracial couple?
Please answer the question.

If you were paying attention earlier I answered with this:

"The difference is the ACTUAL reason why this guy did it. It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.  Please, look past your bias for one second sir."

Basically, he shouldn't have to bake a cake if he does not wish to. This does not make him homophobic. Anyone who says otherwise is a twit who doesn't understand what discrimination is and isn't.




Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 10, 2017, 02:49:05 am
If you were paying attention earlier I answered with this:

"The difference is the ACTUAL reason why this guy did it. It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.  Please, look past your bias for one second sir."
wow that really changes everything
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 02:54:09 am
If you were paying attention earlier I answered with this:
Nah, cuz that didn't answer my question. If this baker has a sincerely held religious belief that interracial marriages are against the will of God, and thus refuses to bake a cake because he doesn't want to contribute to an interracial marriage, then what makes that different from him doing the same for a gay wedding?

Please answer the question.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 03:03:02 am
If you were paying attention earlier I answered with this:
Nah, cuz that didn't answer my question. If this baker has a sincerely held religious belief that interracial marriages are against the will of God, and thus refuses to bake a cake because he doesn't want to contribute to an interracial marriage, then what makes that different from him doing the same for a gay wedding?

Please answer the question.

Because there's nothing in the Bible that forbids interracial marriage?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 10, 2017, 03:09:04 am
Deuteronomy 7:3-4

"Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you."

Joshua 23:12-13

“But if you turn away and ally yourselves with the survivors of these nations that remain among you and if you intermarry with them and associate with them, then you may be sure that the LORD your God will no longer drive out these nations before you. Instead, they will become snares and traps for you, whips on your backs and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from this good land, which the LORD your God has given you."

You can always find something in the old Testament to support hate.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 03:13:47 am
And even if those passages didn't exist, things don't have to explicitly appear in the Bible to be a sincerely held religious belief. Purgatory, for instance, isn't in the Bible, but certainly no one would argue that it isn't a sincerely held religious beliefs by a number of Christian sects.

I'm going to have to say this again, but it would really be helpful for you to research some American history. You'd learn so much about how so many businesses used the argument that their sincerely held religious beliefs against interracial relationships made it OK for them to discriminate against them. It didn't turn out too well for them!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 10, 2017, 03:27:12 am
Nobody is homophobic for not wanting to contribute to a gay wedding.
That is literally the definition of homophobia and discrimination. Why can't you get that through YOUR skull. And if your religion tells you that gays are bad, then your religion is literally homophobic. Even if your religion is called Christianism and even if it's written in the Bible, because I've got news for you : the Bible is homophobic.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Iced on September 10, 2017, 03:34:42 am
If you were paying attention earlier I answered with this:

"The difference is the ACTUAL reason why this guy did it. It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.  Please, look past your bias for one second sir."

Basically, he shouldn't have to bake a cake if he does not wish to. This does not make him homophobic. Anyone who says otherwise is a twit who doesn't understand what discrimination is and isn't.
"slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling" (Ephesians 6:5),
 "tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect" (Titus 2:9).

Slavery has often been said to be God’s means of protecting and providing for an inferior race (suffering the “curse of Ham” in Gen. 9:25 or even the punishment of Cain in Gen. 4:12).


So it seems there are religious justified reasons why they can claim you should be a slave.  Nothing racist about that, They just dont want to contribute to your "not being a slave" situation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Person Man on September 10, 2017, 03:41:10 am
It never ceases to amuse me how the people who are quickest to bring up the Bible as a defense of *insert reprehensible behavior here* never seem to know what's actually in it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 10, 2017, 03:42:37 am
Guys, why are you arguing with this nincompoop? Let him rot in that stew of anger, hatred and Anti-American views.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Do not even ask on September 10, 2017, 03:55:56 am
yeah, should've known better to respond, same goalpost shifting and non-sequitur responses from the typical alt-right debate artist
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 10, 2017, 05:00:15 am
also dude snakebyte, if you're working fulltime don't waste your free time with petty arguments. i have this MAGAsshole at work who is always talking politics and until recently I'd always be arguing with him and searching up sources to support my claims and he'd shoot each one down as "typical brainwashing from the globalist elite" or someshit like that. moment he revealed he was a 9/11 truther i just decided fuck this this isn't worth cutting out my shitposting and jay owen time at home to look up sources to argue with this dipshit.

hahaha no i do not talk politics in my real life

it is ZERO FUN without the ability to block the crazy people

also at whoever said something about someone being 'the new milo yiannopoulos', milo yiannopoulos is still the current milo yiannopoulos.

he's far, far too fabulous to be defeated that easily.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 05:15:59 am
also dude snakebyte, if you're working fulltime don't waste your free time with petty arguments. i have this MAGAsshole at work who is always talking politics and until recently I'd always be arguing with him and searching up sources to support my claims and he'd shoot each one down as "typical brainwashing from the globalist elite" or someshit like that. moment he revealed he was a 9/11 truther i just decided fuck this this isn't worth cutting out my shitposting and jay owen time at home to look up sources to argue with this dipshit.

hahaha no i do not talk politics in my real life

it is ZERO FUN without the ability to block the crazy people

also at whoever said something about someone being 'the new milo yiannopoulos', milo yiannopoulos is still the current milo yiannopoulos.

he's far, far too fabulous to be defeated that easily.

Do not even ask was saying Naked Ape was trying to be like Milo, which is obviously not true.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4

"Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you."

Joshua 23:12-13

“But if you turn away and ally yourselves with the survivors of these nations that remain among you and if you intermarry with them and associate with them, then you may be sure that the LORD your God will no longer drive out these nations before you. Instead, they will become snares and traps for you, whips on your backs and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from this good land, which the LORD your God has given you."

You can always find something in the old Testament to support hate.

I hope you realize Moses was married to a woman who was a different skin color than him. Aaron and Miriam in the Bible were penalized for criticizing their relationship.

What the Bible REALLY says is that intermarrying isn't wrong as long as both parties are believers.

I suggest you read the Bible accurately next time.

And even if those passages didn't exist, things don't have to explicitly appear in the Bible to be a sincerely held religious belief. Purgatory, for instance, isn't in the Bible, but certainly no one would argue that it isn't a sincerely held religious beliefs by a number of Christian sects.

I'm going to have to say this again, but it would really be helpful for you to research some American history. You'd learn so much about how so many businesses used the argument that their sincerely held religious beliefs against interracial relationships made it OK for them to discriminate against them. It didn't turn out too well for them!

Haven't read about that, but whoever did use those quotes to justify their actions obviously misinterpeted the verses themselves and needed to actually read the Bible, and it looks like the same thing should go for you, Jmorph.
If you were paying attention earlier I answered with this:

"The difference is the ACTUAL reason why this guy did it. It was NOT because they were gay, but he didn't want to contribute to a gay wedding.  Please, look past your bias for one second sir."

Basically, he shouldn't have to bake a cake if he does not wish to. This does not make him homophobic. Anyone who says otherwise is a twit who doesn't understand what discrimination is and isn't.
"slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling" (Ephesians 6:5),
 "tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect" (Titus 2:9).

Slavery has often been said to be God’s means of protecting and providing for an inferior race (suffering the “curse of Ham” in Gen. 9:25 or even the punishment of Cain in Gen. 4:12).


So it seems there are religious justified reasons why they can claim you should be a slave.  Nothing racist about that, They just dont want to contribute to your "not being a slave" situation.

That's not really the case in the New Testament. 1 Timothy 1:10, to be exact.

Slavery was more of an economic thing back in the times of the Old Testament. It had nothing to do with race. It was mostly because bankruptcy laws didn't exist back then. (No shit, really.). People would actually become slaves at their own will believe or not.

The Bible never actually condones slavery though, just basically mention the reality of it.


It never ceases to amuse me how the people who are quickest to bring up the Bible as a defense of *insert reprehensible behavior here* never seem to know what's actually in it.

Oh the fucking irony....


Guys, why are you arguing with this nincompoop? Let him rot in that stew of anger, hatred and Anti-American views.

"Anti-American"

I'm pretty sure being against left wing ideologies and such doesn't equate to being Anti American.


I didn't like what you said, so you're part of the alt-right!!!111111

This is just too delicious, give me more.



Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 05:46:47 am
Haven't read about that, but whoever did use those quotes to justify their actions obviously misinterpeted the verses themselves and needed to actually read the Bible
Nah nah nah nah nah, that's not how things work. Those people sincerely believed in their interpretation of the Bible, your own interpretation doesn't supercede theirs, because that's what freedom of religion is all about! No one's religion comes before anyone else's!

But you obviously agree that their sincerely held religious belief that interracial relationships are evil should not allow them to discriminate against such couples, so... again. Why is it different for interracial couples compared to gay couples?

Please answer the question.

and it looks like the same thing should go for you, Jmorph.
No. Also, why?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 10, 2017, 05:58:25 am
Haven't read about that, but whoever did use those quotes to justify their actions obviously misinterpeted the verses themselves and needed to actually read the Bible
Nah nah nah nah nah, that's not how things work. Those people sincerely believed in their interpretation of the Bible, your own interpretation doesn't supercede theirs, because that's what freedom of religion is all about! No one's religion comes before anyone else's!

^

There is no such thing as a misinterpretation of a religion. It's all interpretation. No one has the authority to say their interpretation is any more correct than anyone else's--or rather, everyone has just as much authority. I can say 'no, it's you doing the misinterpreting' and there's nothing logical you can say to that.

Religion is crap. If it's what you're basing your politics or opinions on, stop, and rethink everything about your life.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 10, 2017, 12:18:58 pm
So you don't have an actual argument. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Less time will be wasted.
ironically tho, him not having an argument is much better than having a retarded one like "it wasn't because they're gay but it was because they're gay".
so you might want to stop being a hypocrite.
also, if you're actually black and you'd be fine with someone not serving you because of your skin color, then allow me to tell you that you're a very spineless person.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 06:24:40 pm
Haven't read about that, but whoever did use those quotes to justify their actions obviously misinterpeted the verses themselves and needed to actually read the Bible
Nah nah nah nah nah, that's not how things work. Those people sincerely believed in their interpretation of the Bible, your own interpretation doesn't supercede theirs, because that's what freedom of religion is all about! No one's religion comes before anyone else's!

But you obviously agree that their sincerely held religious belief that interracial relationships are evil should not allow them to discriminate against such couples, so... again. Why is it different for interracial couples compared to gay couples?

Please answer the question.

and it looks like the same thing should go for you, Jmorph.
No. Also, why?

"But you obviously agree that their sincerely held religious belief that interracial relationships are evil should not allow them to discriminate against such couples" 

I already explained why the assumption that the Bible condemns interracial relationships was wrong. Please scroll up and read what I said.


I have also already answered the damn question and you just decided to be a jackass and keep repeating it because you didn't like my answers.


Haven't read about that, but whoever did use those quotes to justify their actions obviously misinterpeted the verses themselves and needed to actually read the Bible
Nah nah nah nah nah, that's not how things work. Those people sincerely believed in their interpretation of the Bible, your own interpretation doesn't supercede theirs, because that's what freedom of religion is all about! No one's religion comes before anyone else's!

^

There is no such thing as a misinterpretation of a religion. It's all interpretation. No one has the authority to say their interpretation is any more correct than anyone else's--or rather, everyone has just as much authority. I can say 'no, it's you doing the misinterpreting' and there's nothing logical you can say to that.

Religion is crap. If it's what you're basing your politics or opinions on, stop, and rethink everything about your life.


I can also say no one has the authority to deem all religions crap.


Also, YES, someone CAN misinterpret the Bible, and a whole bunch of other things to. It's called getting things wrong. The Bible actually supports interracial marriage.

So you don't have an actual argument. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Less time will be wasted.
ironically tho, him not having an argument is much better than having a retarded one like "it wasn't because they're gay but it was because they're gay".
so you might want to stop being a hypocrite.
also, if you're actually black and you'd be fine with someone not serving you because of your skin color, then allow me to tell you that you're a very spineless person.

So you think being against gay marriage means you hate gays. How small-minded of you.

I've already told you the baker did not refuse service to them because they were gay. There's a difference between being against gay marriage and actually hating gay people.



Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 10, 2017, 06:31:12 pm
So you think being against gay marriage means you hate gays.
Who said that and why are you so dumb
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 10, 2017, 06:31:35 pm
Nope. Unless you have a direct line to God, you have no authority to say that their take is 'wrong'. If you claim to have a direct line to God, they can refute that by claiming they also have a direct line to God. It doesn't work. At all.

Anyone can deem all religions crap. It doesn't take authority. Do you understand what 'authority' means, in this sense?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Mechy on September 10, 2017, 06:37:11 pm
Wait, what on earth are the other reasons for being against gay marriage aside from hating/disliking/being discomforted by gay people?

And I mean like valid ones, so not religion stuff.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 06:39:30 pm
I already explained why the assumption that the Bible condemns interracial relationships was wrong. Please scroll up and read what I said.
Again, it doesn't matter what your interpretation of the Bible is. The only thing that matters is what their interpretation is. Their religion told them that interracial couples were forbidded by God. Their religious beliefs are protected under the Constitution, even though you strenuously disagree with them.

Futhermore, what the Bible says or doesn't say doesn't actually mean jack in this situation. What about non-Christians? And heck, some Christian sects include or exclude different books from the Bible! Some prefer only one specific translation! Freedom of religion doesn't only apply to Christians who follow one specific version of the Bible.

I've already told you the baker did not refuse service to them because they were gay. There's a difference between being against gay marriage and actually hating gay people.
Let's go back to the start again. Our hypothetical baker from the 50s refuses to bake a cake for an interracial couple, not because he's racist, but simply because he doesn't want to violate his religion and contribute to an interracial marriage.

What makes this baker different from a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay one? Please answer the question.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 07:01:45 pm
Nope. Unless you have a direct line to God, you have no authority to say that their take is 'wrong'. If you claim to have a direct line to God, they can refute that by claiming they also have a direct line to God. It doesn't work. At all.

Anyone can deem all religions crap. It doesn't take authority. Do you understand what 'authority' means, in this sense?

So basically nobody can misinterpret things about the Bible? Hate to break this to you, but yes they can. You're basically saying everything people say about the Bible is true. In that case, someone can say The Bible condones pedophilia, cite no verses, and yet no one can tell him that he is blatantly wrong.


Wait, what on earth are the other reasons for being against gay marriage aside from hating/disliking/being discomforted by gay people?

And I mean like valid ones, so not religion stuff.

There's plenty of reasons to be against gay marriage, just like there's many reasons to support it. If you think that people are only against it because "DEY HATE GAY PPL!!!11" then you obviously need to expand your viewpoints more.


I already explained why the assumption that the Bible condemns interracial relationships was wrong. Please scroll up and read what I said.
Again, it doesn't matter what your interpretation of the Bible is. The only thing that matters is what their interpretation is. Their religion told them that interracial couples were forbidded by God. Their religious beliefs are protected under the Constitution, even though you strenuously disagree with them.

Futhermore, what the Bible says or doesn't say doesn't actually mean jack in this situation. What about non-Christians? And heck, some Christian sects include or exclude different books from the Bible! Some prefer only one specific translation! Freedom of religion doesn't only apply to Christians who follow one specific version of the Bible.

I've already told you the baker did not refuse service to them because they were gay. There's a difference between being against gay marriage and actually hating gay people.
Let's go back to the start again. Our hypothetical baker from the 50s refuses to bake a cake for an interracial couple, not because he's racist, but simply because he doesn't want to violate his religion and contribute to an interracial marriage.

What makes this baker different from a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay one? Please answer the question.


OH I see! What THEY interpret is correct. (even though it isn't.) What's funny is that you said yourself it didn't matter what the Bible actually says. Why are you flip-flopping?


Again I already explained and you just denied what I said. I think this whole thing was pointless in the start, and I should have just moved on.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Mechy on September 10, 2017, 07:07:55 pm
There's plenty of reasons to be against gay marriage, just like there's many reasons to support it. If you think that people are only against it because "DEY HATE GAY PPL!!!11" then you obviously need to expand your viewpoints more.
Ok. I was asking you what those reasons are.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 10, 2017, 07:27:20 pm
Nope. Unless you have a direct line to God, you have no authority to say that their take is 'wrong'. If you claim to have a direct line to God, they can refute that by claiming they also have a direct line to God. It doesn't work. At all.

Anyone can deem all religions crap. It doesn't take authority. Do you understand what 'authority' means, in this sense?

So basically nobody can misinterpret things about the Bible? Hate to break this to you, but yes they can. You're basically saying everything people say about the Bible is true. In that case, someone can say The Bible condones pedophilia, cite no verses, and yet no one can tell him that he is blatantly wrong.

Yup. God told me it did. See, if you remove these letters which were placed by the Devil to subvert God's true message...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 07:50:13 pm
OH I see! What THEY interpret is correct. (even though it isn't.) What's funny is that you said yourself it didn't matter what the Bible actually says. Why are you flip-flopping?
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

Freedom of religion means no one's personal religious beliefs supercede others. That necessarily means your own interpretation of the Bible is not inherently correct, nor does it trump all other people's interpretation. Furthermore, freedom of religion also means that people can have sincerely held relgious beliefs irrespective of the Christian Bible. Perhaps those anti-interracial marriage bakers are Jewish, or perhaps they're Hindu, or perhaps they're Scientologicsts. None of those groups follow the Christian Bible, so, naturally, when discussing the potential for someone's religion allowing discrimination, your own personal interpretation of the Christian Bible has no bearing on the situation unless we are addressing only the very specific situation of someone who shares your exact religious views who also wants to discriminate against a group. Which we are not currently doing, as the law is not determined by such singular, specific cases like the one I just described. When deciding on legal matters, things must be as universal as possible.

This is pretty simple stuff, but I'm not that surprised that it's causing you such difficulty to understand. So I'm trying very hard to explain this as simply as possible, taking care to explain things that I genuinely should not need to be explaining.

Again I already explained and you just denied what I said. I think this whole thing was pointless in the start, and I should have just moved on.
I'm genuinely curious to piece together your hilariously contrived, hypocritical views on this subject. And I'm still missing a few pieces of the puzzle. You say that it's totally fine for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding because of the baker's religion, but only because the baker doesn't want to contribute to the wedding, not because they hate gay people. So, what exactly is the difference between that example, and a baker who genuinely is not racist, but nonetheless has a sincerely held religious belief that interracial marriages are forbidden by God (or maybe Xenu, who knows what this baker worships), and thus refuses to contribute in any way to the wedding.

Thus far, your only real explanation is that your personal interpretation of the Christian Bible is what makes scenario A OK, but scenario B illegal. This seems like a pretty bad basis for a legal system, so I must ask once more: why is it OK to discriminate against gay couples, but not interracial ones?

Please answer the question.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 08:14:52 pm
There's plenty of reasons to be against gay marriage, just like there's many reasons to support it. If you think that people are only against it because "DEY HATE GAY PPL!!!11" then you obviously need to expand your viewpoints more.
Ok. I was asking you what those reasons are.

Some view gay marriage as unnecessary and a non-issue meant to distract people from more serious issues. After all if they wanted the benefits of marriage, they could go for civil unions. But enough about that.


OH I see! What THEY interpret is correct. (even though it isn't.) What's funny is that you said yourself it didn't matter what the Bible actually says. Why are you flip-flopping?
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

Freedom of religion means no one's personal religious beliefs supercede others. That necessarily means your own interpretation of the Bible is not inherently correct, nor does it trump all other people's interpretation. Furthermore, freedom of religion also means that people can have sincerely held relgious beliefs irrespective of the Christian Bible. Perhaps those anti-interracial marriage bakers are Jewish, or perhaps they're Hindu, or perhaps they're Scientologicsts. None of those groups follow the Christian Bible, so, naturally, when discussing the potential for someone's religion allowing discrimination, your own personal interpretation of the Christian Bible has no bearing on the situation unless we are addressing only the very specific situation of someone who shares your exact religious views who also wants to discriminate against a group. Which we are not currently doing, as the law is not determined by such singular, specific cases like the one I just described. When deciding on legal matters, things must be as universal as possible.

This is pretty simple stuff, but I'm not that surprised that it's causing you such difficulty to understand. So I'm trying very hard to explain this as simply as possible, taking care to explain things that I genuinely should not need to be explaining.

Again I already explained and you just denied what I said. I think this whole thing was pointless in the start, and I should have just moved on.
I'm genuinely curious to piece together your hilariously contrived, hypocritical views on this subject. And I'm still missing a few pieces of the puzzle. You say that it's totally fine for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding because of the baker's religion, but only because the baker doesn't want to contribute to the wedding, not because they hate gay people. So, what exactly is the difference between that example, and a baker who genuinely is not racist, but nonetheless has a sincerely held religious belief that interracial marriages are forbidden by God (or maybe Xenu, who knows what this baker worships), and thus refuses to contribute in any way to the wedding.

Thus far, your only real explanation is that your personal interpretation of the Christian Bible is what makes scenario A OK, but scenario B illegal. This seems like a pretty bad basis for a legal system, so I must ask once more: why is it OK to discriminate against gay couples, but not interracial ones?

Please answer the question.

And you need to learn what actual discrimination is.

In the Bible, it clearly condemns homosexuality. If a baker who happens to be a Christian doesn't want to contribute to a gay wedding DUE to his beliefs on homosexuality, there is nothing wrong with that.


Most of the beliefs Christian hold come from the Bible. Being against interracial couples is not a "deeply held" religious belief. I don't see any cases where that's happened nowadays. And the reason why blacks were refused service back in the 60's were due SEGREGATION laws. NOT, "deeply held" religious beliefs. It had nothing to do with religion.


Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 08:28:05 pm
Look, I know you're really hyper-focused on Christianity and the Bible, but guess what? No one else is, nor is the Constitution, nor the court system. Your personal interpretation of the Christian Bible is completely and uttetly irrelevant to this entire discussion. All that matters is what these bakers (either real of hypothetical) believe. Like shit, what about Christian congregations that are welcoming to queer people? Are they all inherently wrong because your interpretation of the Bible supercedes everyone else on the planet?

You may find their beliefs invalid, or unsupported by the text of the Bible, but guess what? Your opinion doesn't mean shit, cuz it's their personal beliefs! I mean shit, you didn't even know about those court cases a day ago, how do you even know the people using the freedom of religion defense were even Christian? It doesn't fucking matter!

So enough about the Bible. Enough about Christianity. Why does a baker who's a member of the We Hate Gay Marriage religion allowed to refuse to bake a cake or otherwise contribute to a gay marriage, but a baker who's a member of the We Hate Interracial Marriage religion NOT allowed to refuse to bake a cake or otherwise contribute to a gay marriage?

Please answer the question.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 10, 2017, 08:30:11 pm
In the Bible, it clearly condemns homosexuality. If a baker who happens to be a Christian doesn't want to contribute to a gay wedding DUE to his beliefs on homosexuality, there is nothing wrong with that.
Well yes, it's called discrimination. The Bible is wrong. Shocking !
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 10, 2017, 08:39:24 pm
Some view gay marriage as unnecessary and a non-issue meant to distract people from more serious issues. After all if they wanted the benefits of marriage, they could go for civil unions. But enough about that.
baker: i won't bake a cake for you two.
gay couple: why?
baker: because your marriage is unnecessary and a non-issue.

the more you post, the more of your idiocy is shown. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Mechy on September 10, 2017, 09:09:18 pm
Some view gay marriage as unnecessary and a non-issue meant to distract people from more serious issues. After all if they wanted the benefits of marriage, they could go for civil unions. But enough about that.
That's only one reason and not valid at all. It's not any more unnecessary then regular marriage and what other more serious issues are you talking about? Your statement is really lacking in details. Not enough, gimme more.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jango on September 10, 2017, 09:27:50 pm
To be fair, from a business-perspective, any given business has the right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever.

You're gonna lose a customer and the resulting bad press will probably hurt business from people who were considering your services. Also the fact that you weren't capable of maintaining professional distance will probably make matters even worse. Not to mention your ideology is very flawed and counter to the principles the country has been trying to promote since the 60's.

But, y'know, it's still your choice.

And I'm not saying this is morally right or that I agree with the Supreme Court's ruling, but perhaps the last eight years under Obama made us forget that Republican "freedom" has a different slant. Democrat freedom favors the individual's moral and civil rights. Republican freedom favors the business' ability to operate with minimal government interference.

What I'm saying is get used this trend, it's gonna be a long eight years.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 09:46:04 pm
To be fair, from a business-perspective, any given business has the right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever.
??? It's well established case law that businesses can NOT discriminate against customers (or their own employees) based on their race, religion, or sex. Businesses can refuse customers for any reason except for those. The only thing being argued is whether or not that protection should be extended to sexuality/gender identity.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 09:55:36 pm
Some view gay marriage as unnecessary and a non-issue meant to distract people from more serious issues. After all if they wanted the benefits of marriage, they could go for civil unions. But enough about that.
baker: i won't bake a cake for you two.
gay couple: why?
baker: because your marriage is unnecessary and a non-issue.

the more you post, the more of your idiocy is shown. 

And what exactly are you contributing here? Nothing.

Since you're acting like a piece of shit right now, I'm just going to put you on ignore.


Look, I know you're really hyper-focused on Christianity and the Bible, but guess what? No one else is, nor is the Constitution, nor the court system. Your personal interpretation of the Christian Bible is completely and uttetly irrelevant to this entire discussion. All that matters is what these bakers (either real of hypothetical) believe. Like shit, what about Christian congregations that are welcoming to queer people? Are they all inherently wrong because your interpretation of the Bible supercedes everyone else on the planet?

You may find their beliefs invalid, or unsupported by the text of the Bible, but guess what? Your opinion doesn't mean shit, cuz it's their personal beliefs! I mean shit, you didn't even know about those court cases a day ago, how do you even know the people using the freedom of religion defense were even Christian? It doesn't fucking matter!

So enough about the Bible. Enough about Christianity. Why does a baker who's a member of the We Hate Gay Marriage religion allowed to refuse to bake a cake or otherwise contribute to a gay marriage, but a baker who's a member of the We Hate Interracial Marriage religion NOT allowed to refuse to bake a cake or otherwise contribute to a gay marriage?

Please answer the question.

Ok, you know what? You're getting me EXTREMELY frustrated right now, so I'm just gonna explain this ONE LAST TIME, and I'll explain my beliefs a little better than I did before. Hopefully by the end you'll get it through your brain.

There's laws that prevent people FROM refusing service to black people, this isn't the case for gays. But then again, why should they force people to serve?

The people who own that business have a right to refuse service to whom they please. You do have a right to do what you want with your property. I suggest you read up on property rights.

If they do refuse service to gays for any reason, that is their choice. They can either suffer or benefit from their policies.


Those anti-discrimination laws jeopardize those property rights, however, and it's a problem.  This is why I actually believe private business should FULLY withold the right to refuse service to anyone, no matter how "bigoted" it is. Or maybe it WASN'T bigoted. The baker wasn't wrong in this case, but if he really DID refuse service to them just because they were gay, I would find something wrong with that, but guess what? I'm going to also say "Well, he can do what he wants. It is his business". Besides, if this were the case, he would be rightfully suffering for their choice.

What I don't understand is why you want to convince yourself that forcing people to bake gay wedding cakes means you're just oh so concerned about the rights of gay people, but meh.













Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 10:04:05 pm
The people who own that business have a right to refuse service to whom they please.
Again, you really, really, really need to read up on your American history. Your mind is gonna be blown when you get to the parts about businesses being forced to serve people of all races!

Those anti-discrimination laws jeopardize those property rights, however, and it's a problem.  This is why I  actually believe private business should FULLY withold the right to refuse service to anyone, no matter how "bigoted" it is.
OK, so I think I've gotten everything. Your ultimate problem with extending anti-discrimination laws to gay people is that you fundamentally reject the entire concept, right?

Please answer the question.

What I don't understand is why you want to convince yourself that forcing people to bake gay wedding cakes means you're just oh so concerned about the rights of gay people, but meh.
I'm gay. I'm concerned about my rights. I know you have a lot of comprehension problems but surely you can understand something basic like this, right?

And even if I wasn't, who gives a shit? You don't need to be personally invested in an issue to care about it, especially if you care about the plight of others. But I guess empathy might be too tough of a subject for you...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 10, 2017, 10:05:39 pm
To be fair, from a business-perspective, any given business has the right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever.

that would be true if we were talkign about a libertarian country;

and I posted this because the first thing that caught my attention was mme lord not even being able to know the difference between liberalism adn libertarianism... and you want to argue freedom of religion with him ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Mechy on September 10, 2017, 10:06:08 pm
Meme lord, reply to my reply you coward.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 10, 2017, 10:21:45 pm
And what exactly are you contributing here? Nothing.

Since you're acting like a piece of shit right now, I'm just going to put you on ignore.
good. one less retarded trump supporter i'd have to worry about.
on second thought, i think im still gonna shit on you even if you can't see it. just to see how long your fragile ego will hold out before cracking and unleashing your half assed insults on me again.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 10:33:57 pm
The people who own that business have a right to refuse service to whom they please.
Again, you really, really, really need to read up on your American history. Your mind is gonna be blown when you get to the parts about businesses being forced to serve people of all races!

Those anti-discrimination laws jeopardize those property rights, however, and it's a problem.  This is why I  actually believe private business should FULLY withold the right to refuse service to anyone, no matter how "bigoted" it is.
OK, so I think I've gotten everything. Your ultimate problem with extending anti-discrimination laws to gay people is that you fundamentally reject the entire concept, right?

Please answer the question.

What I don't understand is why you want to convince yourself that forcing people to bake gay wedding cakes means you're just oh so concerned about the rights of gay people, but meh.
I'm gay. I'm concerned about my rights. I know you have a lot of comprehension problems but surely you can understand something basic like this, right?

And even if I wasn't, who gives a shit? You don't need to be personally invested in an issue to care about it, especially if you care about the plight of others. But I guess empathy might be too tough of a subject for you...


I don't care about that. Anti-Discrimination laws aren't going to change the fact that there are still bigoted people out there.


At least the laws that apply to private businesses. All these stupid laws are a threat to certain freedoms.


Aww, boo hoo! :bigcry: You're gay and you're just concerned about your rights being taken away because someone didn't want to bake you a cake...aww... :(.give me a fucking break. You're not losing any rights here.  If you want a cake without any problems, go to Publix or Wal-Mart. Problem solved.


To be fair, from a business-perspective, any given business has the right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever.

that would be true if we were talkign about a libertarian country;

and I posted this because the first thing that caught my attention was mme lord not even being able to know the difference between liberalism adn libertarianism... and you want to argue freedom of religion with him ?

....Why does America have to be a libertarian country to respect property rights?

And when did I confuse liberals with libertarians? You might wanna provide examples.


Meme lord, reply to my reply you coward.

SERIOUS issues such as poverty, economic instability, Crime, and etc.

But seriously, you should know what issues are more important than gay marriage.

I stated that as a reason people are against it. There's many more reasons, but I'm not going to list a shit ton of them here. It's a dead issue anyways.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 10, 2017, 10:44:01 pm
I guess there are also more important issues than giving rights to Black people, women, abolishing torture, slavery, child exploitation, school for everyone without discrimination, medical care for everyone without discrimination, and all this social nonsense.
We don't give a fuck if there are people against it. These people are wrong.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Mechy on September 10, 2017, 10:47:00 pm
SERIOUS issues such as poverty, economic instability, Crime, and etc.
What do those have to do with gay marriage? Why would people be any less capable of focusing on those if they bring up the gay marriage thing? Why would that stuff be the responsiblity of people advocating for gay marriage in the first place? Are you suggesting people are actively focusing on gay marriage in order to draw away focus from such issues? If so, who's doing it?
I stated that as a reason people are against it. There's many more reasons, but I'm not going to list a shit ton of them here.
LuigiTheCowardLord
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: yamme on September 10, 2017, 10:48:55 pm
Aww, boo hoo! :bigcry: You're gay and you're just concerned about your rights being taken away because someone didn't want to bake you a cake...aww... :(.give me a fucking break. You're not losing any rights here.  If you want a cake without any problems, go to Publix or Wal-Mart. Problem solved.
Making the problem about the cake... What happens then when this extends to every other service? Like, not being able to buy a car, or get on the bus, or buy food and water from a grocery, or any other service they may need, all because the people behind the businesses don't want to serve gay people? You don't see an issue there?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 10, 2017, 11:05:35 pm
Aww, boo hoo! :bigcry: You're gay and you're just concerned about your rights being taken away

Yeah. And you're not concerned when people's rights are being taken away. Stop being a fucking bigot, plzkthx.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 10, 2017, 11:10:46 pm
SERIOUS issues such as poverty, economic instability, Crime, and etc.

But seriously, you should know what issues are more important than gay marriage.
this is a moronic argument. people can worry about more than one issue at the same time otherwise smaller issues would never be solved
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 11:28:40 pm
SERIOUS issues such as poverty, economic instability, Crime, and etc.
What do those have to do with gay marriage? Why would people be any less capable of focusing on those if they bring up the gay marriage thing? Why would that stuff be the responsiblity of people advocating for gay marriage in the first place? Are you suggesting people are actively focusing on gay marriage in order to draw away focus from such issues? If so, who's doing it?
I stated that as a reason people are against it. There's many more reasons, but I'm not going to list a shit ton of them here.
LuigiTheCowardLord

I just cited those as issues that are a considered to be greater concerns than gay marriage.

Why focus on an issue that's, by the way, was never a right guaranteed by the constitution in the first place, when there's bigger things to worry about?

Again though, I view it as mostly a dead issue.

How original.



Aww, boo hoo! :bigcry: You're gay and you're just concerned about your rights being taken away because someone didn't want to bake you a cake...aww... :(.give me a fucking break. You're not losing any rights here.  If you want a cake without any problems, go to Publix or Wal-Mart. Problem solved.
Making the problem about the cake... What happens then when this extends to every other service? Like, not being able to buy a car, or get on the bus, or buy food and water from a grocery, or any other service they may need, all because the people behind the businesses don't want to serve gay people? You don't see an issue there?


I see an issue with your reasoning and logic.


If one place refuses service to a gay person, they can go to another place that is publicly owned. Again, read up on property rights.

As for shit like getting on the bus, buying a car, and stuff like that......The only way they'd be able to tell that the person is gay is if the person said so. I don't think a normal gay person is going to go to a car dealership and say "Hello, I'm here to buy a car made from Toyota or Nissan, and I'd like a tour to see what I would want. Also, by the way, I'm gay." or "I'd like to check out these groceries....oh by the way, I'm a Bisexual Transgender."


Aww, boo hoo! :bigcry: You're gay and you're just concerned about your rights being taken away

Yeah. And you're not concerned when people's rights are being taken away. Stop being a fucking bigot, plzkthx.

Yeah...Except nobody's rights are being taken away here. Cute attempt at trying to appeal to my emotions and by labeling me as a bigot.

SERIOUS issues such as poverty, economic instability, Crime, and etc.

But seriously, you should know what issues are more important than gay marriage.
this is a moronic argument. people can worry about more than one issue at the same time otherwise smaller issues would never be solved

I was simply pointing out there's more important issues than gay marriage and this is why some conservatives were against it. That is not moronic.



Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 10, 2017, 11:37:53 pm
I was simply pointing out there's more important issues than gay marriage and this is why some conservatives were against it. That is not moronic.
It is absolutely moronic to think that just because there are more important problems, this issue shouldn't be resolved. So it is getting resolved EVEN THOUGH there are "more important" issues out there, and you're a massive bag of shit for saying it's not important enough and therefore it should be ignored in favor of other more important stuff (that are not getting resolved either anyway)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 10, 2017, 11:39:24 pm
whatever issue you can think of, it's likely there's always a bigger, more important issue that has a bigger effect on more people. it's a moronic copout argument. good luck complaining about anything
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: O Ilusionista on September 10, 2017, 11:41:51 pm
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It is absolutely moronic to think that just because there are more important problems, this issue shouldn't be resolved.
Indeed. Its the good old Fallacy of the Lesser Importance.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 11:43:23 pm
I don't care about that. Anti-Discrimination laws aren't going to change the fact that there are still bigoted people out there.


At least the laws that apply to private businesses. All these stupid laws are a threat to certain freedoms.
So I guess I finally got an answer to my question. Took quite a lot, like getting blood from a stone, but at least it's an answer.
You think that the difference between a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and a baker refusing to bake a cake for an interracial couple is that there is no difference because actually we should bring once again allow legalized discrimination (and thus, bring back segregation).

... which is certainly an Opinion. I think I'm done here. It's been an absolute joy to talk with you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 10, 2017, 11:51:48 pm
I don't care about that. Anti-Discrimination laws aren't going to change the fact that there are still bigoted people out there.


At least the laws that apply to private businesses. All these stupid laws are a threat to certain freedoms.
So I guess I finally got an answer to my question. Took quite a lot, like getting blood from a stone, but at least it's an answer.
You think that the difference between a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple and a baker refusing to bake a cake for an interracial couple is that there is no difference because actually we should bring once again allow legalized discrimination (and thus, bring back segregation).

... which is certainly an Opinion. I think I'm done here. It's been an absolute joy to talk with you.

 &gt;_&gt; If that's what you got from it, then it's obvious I was wasting my time. Have a nice day.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2017, 11:53:37 pm
Just quoting you, dude. These laws are a threat to freedom!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 11, 2017, 12:02:09 am
yes, please stop posting. you've not made a single post that made any sense.
you stumble your way to a certain point and when people clear what that point is, you insult them because they're right about it. rinse and repeat, that is basically how you post here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 11, 2017, 12:15:13 am
Or you could not entertain the fact that he's anything other than a troll and ban him. Just saying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 12:17:19 am
i don't think it's fair to ban someone from the whole forum for being exceptionally bad at arguing but he should be banned from posting in this thread
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 11, 2017, 12:18:53 am
Tell me something: when has anybody with Luigi or weegee in their name here been anything other than a failtroll?

It's like a Sonic avatar, it never ends well.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 12:22:19 am
your rampant luigiphobia should not be tolerated in this here forum
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 11, 2017, 12:24:39 am
*wind blows* (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1948189)
[avatar]http://bin.smwcentral.net/u/22648/Luigi%2Bthing.png[/avatar]
Oh. I see how it is.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 11, 2017, 12:26:00 am
It's like a Sonic avatar, it never ends well.

I'LL SLAP YOUR SHIT YOU SUMBITCH

Unless you mean avatars of the character Sonic the Hedgehog in which case I'll allow it
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 11, 2017, 12:26:46 am
It's like a Sonic avatar, it never ends well.

I'LL SLAP YOUR SHIT YOU SUMBITCH

Unless you mean avatars of the character Sonic the Hedgehog in which case I'll allow it

That.

Also, the "memelord" in his username really, really doesn't help matters. In fact that was more of a red flag tbh
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 12:32:46 am
Yes it is worthless shit when they can live together and do whatever they want to, but instead flood politics over a "right" that is actually an institution which already loss any meaning or worth.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 12:43:05 am
Yes it is worthless shit when they can live together and do whatever they want to, but instead flood politics over a "right" that is actually an institution which already loss any meaning or worth.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjF7hhqUoAI1wom.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Iced on September 11, 2017, 12:46:27 am
Yes it is worthless shit when they can live together and do whatever they want to, but instead flood politics over a "right" that is actually an institution which already loss any meaning or worth.
The blacks wanting to legally marry the whites instead of just living together and do whatever they want away from the public eye is indeed a thing people get all bothered around.

how dare them going around expecting to have the same legal rights before the law as the god fearing white couples /s
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 01:08:16 am
Yes it is worthless shit when they can live together and do whatever they want to, but instead flood politics over a "right" that is actually an institution which already loss any meaning or worth.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Try reading the topic before posting meme pics.

Yes it is worthless shit when they can live together and do whatever they want to, but instead flood politics over a "right" that is actually an institution which already loss any meaning or worth.
The blacks wanting to legally marry the whites instead of just living together and do whatever they want away from the public eye is indeed a thing people get all bothered around.

how dare them going around expecting to have the same legal rights before the law as the god fearing white couples /s
Already covered all these things, it's not a right, the whole concept is all butchered and useless, and being married and being over the public eye means nothing.

It's even more hilarious when it's liberals/libertarians defending and lobbying for more unnecessary regulation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Prime SC on September 11, 2017, 01:16:13 am
Another ignorant mofo
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 11, 2017, 01:24:58 am
It's like a Sonic avatar, it never ends well.

I'LL SLAP YOUR SHIT YOU SUMBITCH

Unless you mean avatars of the character Sonic the Hedgehog in which case I'll allow it

That.

Also, the "memelord" in his username really, really doesn't help matters. In fact that was more of a red flag tbh

So you're basing the your accusation that I'm a troll by my username?...Not really a fair thing to do.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 01:25:53 am
Try reading the topic before posting meme pics.
ive read the topic and not even luigimemes has posted a sentence as poorly written as yours
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 01:35:44 am
Try reading the topic before posting meme pics.
ive read the topic and not even luigimemes has posted a sentence as poorly written as yours
Oh boy, we got a functionally illiterate here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 11, 2017, 01:37:22 am
Try reading the topic before posting meme pics.
ive read the topic and not even luigimemes has posted a sentence as poorly written as yours
Oh boy, we got a functionally illiterate here.

For a minute there, I thought you were Seadragon77. You two had the same icon.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 01:39:49 am
an institution which already loss any meaning or worth
oh boy we functionally alliteration here
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Santtu on September 11, 2017, 01:58:55 am
Wait, what on earth are the other reasons for being against gay marriage aside from hating/disliking/being discomforted by gay people?

And I mean like valid ones, so not religion stuff.
A common argument is that the tax benefits married couples get exist as an incentive for people to couple up and create more taxpayers, which gays obviously can't do, but I don't think the argument holds water since people already get tax benefits just for having children.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 02:37:32 am
an institution which already loss any meaning or worth
oh boy we functionally alliteration here
Whatever your stupidity makes you believe.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Dumanios on September 11, 2017, 04:08:32 am
Yes it is worthless shit when they can live together and do whatever they want to, but instead flood politics over a "right" that is actually an institution which already loss any meaning or worth.

Okay, so, in English

Homosexuals shouldn't get gay marriage as a right because they already have civil unions and also marriage is meaningless?


(mind, numerous states in the union do in fact confer different rights to civil unions as opposed to marriage)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 11, 2017, 04:13:57 am
That is pretty much what I got out of his post, and I was about to post a translation but you beat me to it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 11, 2017, 04:17:54 am
This is getting as bad as the usual crap I see on Facebook except for the Trump Tard himself using a fat joke against me...

And yes, WeegeeTheTrumpTard... you're Anti-American. You believe in ideals that are against the ideals of most Americans. If this is how you feel about a gay couple not having a cake made for them, then I can only imagine how you feel about other issues like guns, mental illness, education, the economy, job rate, and so on and so forth. Hell, I bet you that you're what I would consider a 'parrot'... yep, taking your barking orders from people like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh and Breitbart.

I bet you're a good parrot for them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 04:19:37 am
Whatever your stupidity makes you believe.
it's supposed to be "already lost any meaning", captain mensa
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 11, 2017, 04:22:01 am
It should be noted that one of the major reasons behind the push for marriage equality was because in the vast majority of all states, not even civil unions were on the table for gay couples. All that effort wasn't just so gay people could use the word marriage to describe their union! It was because they literally couldn't get those benefits!

And once you start up a big civil rights movement, you're gonna go all the way towards marraige equality, and not just stop halfway at civil unions, just to spare the feelings of those poor persecuted anti-LGBT folks who can't deal with the idea that marriage can mean something other than the union of a man and a woman.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 05:36:45 am
Homosexuals shouldn't get gay marriage as a right because they already have civil unions and also marriage is meaningless?
I was referring to the legal process, marriage as the ceremony is up to who organizes it. Don't know about differences on how marriage works through US states but that wasn't what I was talking. 

it's supposed to be "already lost any meaning", captain mensa
And you couldn't understand it because of that? No wonder I'm captain mensa to you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Foobs on September 11, 2017, 06:23:08 am
It should be noted that one of the major reasons behind the push for marriage equality was because in the vast majority of all states, not even civil unions were on the table for gay couples. All that effort wasn't just so gay people could use the word marriage to describe their union! It was because they literally couldn't get those benefits!
Even if your state had civil unions, it was legally worthless across state lines.

Federal level approval was an absolute necessity for gay couples.

A common argument is that the tax benefits married couples get exist as an incentive for people to couple up and create more taxpayers, which gays obviously can't do, but I don't think the argument holds water since people already get tax benefits just for having children.
The original purpose of marriage was to perpetuate wealth across bloodlines. Gay men getting married would suck resources from both families without producing heirs, so the practice was largely unacceptable in most of the ancient world.

In our modern day western society where people marry out of "love", women are bread earners, we have more sophisticated rules over inheritance and people in general put more value in individuality over tradition, said prohibition is largely pointless. It only makes sense in the context of socially primitive people that practice arranged marriage, cousin marriage and child brides; like the kind you'd find in India, Pakistan and most of the muslim world and sub-saharan Africa.


Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 06:25:09 am
And you couldn't understand it because of that? No wonder I'm captain mensa to you.
your sentence was a pile of shit and you shouldn't call other people illiterate when you can't get basic words right
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 07:09:45 am
your sentence was a pile of shit and you shouldn't call other people illiterate when you can't get basic words right
Coming from someone who wants to criticize my posts while can't even understand a phrase, don't even punctuate and capitalize what he says, childishly repeating my posts and posting dumb memes, give me a break.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Gennos on September 11, 2017, 07:21:06 am
at least we can understand his posts. your original post required a translation from Dumanios to interpret.
so far, the cons who frequent this forum seem to have an alarming lack of self awareness and comprehensions skills. i guess you have to a pretty delusional idiot to support trump lol.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 07:31:40 am
at least we can understand his posts. your original post required a translation from Dumanios to interpret.
so far, the cons who frequent this forum seem to have an alarming lack of self awareness and comprehensions skills. i guess you have to a pretty delusional idiot to support trump lol.
lol, if reaction pictures are what you guys can understand that's pretty sad, that guy Iced understood and responded to me perfectly on the other hand.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Iced on September 11, 2017, 04:12:52 pm
Im used to dealing with semi iliterate people, doesn't mean your post made any sense. I had to take several leaps in logic to get what you were talking about.


Your writing is really sub par and you should consider exposing views better if you want to talk about them instead of having people assume you are talking about something in order to reply to you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: MAO11 on September 11, 2017, 06:31:08 pm
welcome to your first iced burn (how the fuck do you do that emote)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 08:36:09 pm
Im used to dealing with semi iliterate people, doesn't mean your post made any sense. I had to take several leaps in logic to get what you were talking about.


Your writing is really sub par and you should consider exposing views better if you want to talk about them instead of having people assume you are talking about something in order to reply to you.
Having what is being discussed in mind while one post didn't precisely pointed it out again ain't a logical leap, your experience with these guys really seems to be stunting your thinking, but you were still spot on despite whatever you want to claim along with them now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Iced on September 11, 2017, 09:02:21 pm
Quote
"Having what is being discussed in mind while one post didn't precisely pointed it out again ain't a logical leap"

Is english your first or second language? Because you literally just did it again and this sentence is bonkers.
You cant possibly think this is easy to understand or is giving off any sort of message.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 11, 2017, 10:33:02 pm
I was thinking it was the same guy but the english is broken in ways it would be too much effort for memelord
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 11, 2017, 11:43:09 pm
Is english your first or second language? Because you literally just did it again and this sentence is bonkers.
You cant possibly think this is easy to understand or is giving off any sort of message.
Let me draw it then:

"Having what is being discussed in mind (acknowledging the current discussion being presented in the latest posts) while one post didn't precisely pointed it out again (my post, which didn't precisely contained the words "gay marriage", the subject being discussed) ain't a logical leap (that my post is being directed at this subject and this is just fucking obvious)."

And English is my second language.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2017, 11:45:22 pm
it reads like it's your fifth
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 11, 2017, 11:50:11 pm
Even with the added parentheticals, it's still an extremely unwieldy and grammatically torturous sentence.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 12, 2017, 12:11:32 am
it reads like it's your fifth
You can't read in the first place, everything will look like that to you.

Even with the added parentheticals, it's still an extremely unwieldy and grammatically torturous sentence.
It's arranged in a condensed manner, something more practical then a wall of text.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Titiln on September 12, 2017, 12:18:16 am
You can't read in the first place, everything will look like that to you.
if you could read you would've realized by now that we're not the ones with reading issues, you're the one making really bad posts

also it's "than"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 12, 2017, 12:36:49 am
'didn't pointed' and 'didn't contained' are grammatically wrong as hell my dude
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 12, 2017, 12:38:37 am
if you could read you would've realized by now that we're not the ones with reading issues, you're the one making really bad posts

also it's "than"
"Everything will look like a "fifth language" to you"
"than"
Holy shit. And the whole topic got derailed because you people couldn't read my posts, that's some advanced level of denial.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 12, 2017, 12:40:39 am
maybe you could help stop the topic from getting derailed in the future by writing intelligibly

just a thought
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Endorfan on September 12, 2017, 12:49:43 am
maybe you could help stop the topic from getting derailed in the future by writing intelligibly

just a thought
Oh, shut the fuck up, a bunch of morons who can't even write themselves begin to criticize me and turn the whole topic over this and I'm on the wrong here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Snakebyte on September 12, 2017, 12:54:16 am
in the wrong*
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Do not even ask on September 12, 2017, 01:18:07 am
whoops i thought i went into the donald trump thread but it turns out i accidentally opened the shit thread by accide- oh wait no still the trump thread
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Byakko on September 12, 2017, 01:26:52 am
??? There's a difference ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jango on September 12, 2017, 01:53:33 am
Don't be too harsh on Endorfan, put yourself in his shoes. Imagine trying to learn English when your first language is Ewokese.

/me disappears from the thread again humming "Yub Nub"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 12, 2017, 02:38:22 am
in the wrong*

nope, on, since he is so wrong he is on top of the wrong.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 13, 2017, 06:30:56 pm
maybe you could help stop the topic from getting derailed in the future by writing intelligibly

just a thought
Oh, shut the fuck up, a bunch of morons who can't even write themselves begin to criticize me and turn the whole topic over this and I'm on the wrong here.

I think it's time to stop.

Consider this a warning.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: DJ_HANNIBALROYCE on September 13, 2017, 07:24:11 pm
mmmmmm i love cake
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Primetime Political MAGAthread: Don't let the gays have cake
Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2017, 07:31:15 am
Trump, the master dealmaker himself, has made a deal with Congressional Democrats to protect recipients of DACA in exchange for some (seemingly) minor increases in border security, but specifically excluding the promised border wall. (https://apnews.com/5ac2b359ee2a48ce8c9b08d5c77ae253/Democrats-say-they-have-deal-with-Trump-on-young-immigrants) He's so good at making deals, you can't even believe it.

The White House immediately put out a statement saying that the funding for the border wall was not specifically excluded from the deal, but there is good reason to believe the opposite (https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/908166679154360321),
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: I'll back off DACA if you gimme my wall
Post by: MAO11 on September 14, 2017, 04:23:45 pm
so he's using DACA as his leverage to get what he wants? wow it's like a hostage situation now huh?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: I'll back off DACA if you gimme my wall
Post by: Byakko on September 14, 2017, 04:44:14 pm
It wouldn't be a surprise but apparently no he didn't get it. Yet he seems to be claiming he did. The AP article even says he already admitted he was open to exclude wall talks from DACA negotiations before meeting the Dems.
What's funnier is that somehow it looks like Trump has figured out that he won't pass anything with the Republicans, and he's now trying to have his name on good things through the Democrats. And he calls it bipartisan (even though Reps get kicked out of the meetings). As long as they can make him sign stuff he doesn't read...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 14, 2017, 10:29:40 pm
So it turns out Trump lashed out at Sessions right after Mueller's appointment, holding Sessions personally responsible. Sessions apparently felt so humiliated that he submitted a resignation letter, which Trump rejected. (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/us/politics/jeff-sessions-trump.html)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: MAO11 on September 15, 2017, 10:57:14 am
It wouldn't be a surprise but apparently no he didn't get it. Yet he seems to be claiming he did. The AP article even says he already admitted he was open to exclude wall talks from DACA negotiations before meeting the Dems.
What's funnier is that somehow it looks like Trump has figured out that he won't pass anything with the Republicans, and he's now trying to have his name on good things through the Democrats. And he calls it bipartisan (even though Reps get kicked out of the meetings). As long as they can make him sign stuff he doesn't read...

that's actually a smart move for trump, funny that he's not really being taken seriously by his own party.

he's serious about the wall? like he really wants to build it? he has the advantage in this situation he could ask them for help with anything he wants and ITS A GODDAMN WALL!?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 15, 2017, 11:00:14 am
He never really wanted it, he outright said it in a campaign meeting, he only started repeating something he heard and he was surprised by the response he got so he just figured it was what his "base" really wanted. He doesn't care about it but he thinks it will make his "base" love him, and that's all he ever cares about, getting praised. As long as people talk about it, he'll bring it up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 16, 2017, 02:31:01 am
He never really wanted it, he outright said it in a campaign meeting, he only started repeating something he heard and he was surprised by the response he got so he just figured it was what his "base" really wanted. He doesn't care about it but he thinks it will make his "base" love him, and that's all he ever cares about, getting praised. As long as people talk about it, he'll bring it up.

That's not even close to true. That was about phrasing, not policy. It's really disgusting how people run with lies like this.

Trump didn't make a deal, either. Democrats just ran their mouths off and said he did. Not saying he won't, mind you, just he hasn't yet.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 16, 2017, 02:47:56 am
That's not even close to true. That was about phrasing, not policy.
What, the "build the wall" thing ? That's literally what he himself said. He didn't care for it, repeated something someone said, people started chanting about it and he ran with it.
And how do you know he didn't make a deal ? Because he denied it ? You're literally digging for he said, they said ? Here's a hint : the one who's lying is him 99% of the time, especially considering he doesn't understand what he's discussing 100% of the time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 16, 2017, 07:56:40 pm
That's literally not true. Stop lying to push an agenda.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 16, 2017, 08:05:41 pm
Wow, you're so full of shit in denial.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 16, 2017, 08:08:56 pm
Hmm, let me translate that out of Byakko and into English: "I couldn't find a source and now I know I'm full of shit so I'm just gonna insult you."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 16, 2017, 08:11:39 pm
You have no source to back up YOUR claim. You never do. You just deny everything and take cheap shots.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 16, 2017, 08:18:06 pm
I don't need a source to prove that a man didn't say something. That's not how the burden of proof works. Nice try. You know you're lying, so stop.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Jmorphman on September 16, 2017, 08:20:40 pm
There is a deal. There isn't literally a final bill that's ready to be sent to Congress, but it's happening. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trumps-dealing-on-daca-sparks-confusion-shifting-alliances-on-capitol-hill/2017/09/14/c9b2c904-994c-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_dacahill-1125a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2a26ab0578af) Further talks specifically about strengthening border security are going to be held in a few days. This isn't all some elaborate conspiracy being advanced by both parties in order to make Trump look bad.

also this isn't strictly on topic but it related to the topic subject's shitty party: House Republicans passed an amendment to an appropriations bill that blocks the DC government from using its own money on enacting a non-discrimination law that prevents employers from discriminating against employees who use birth control or get abortions, as well as a repeal of a recently passed DC law that legalized euthanasia (http://wamu.org/story/17/09/14/house-passes-measures-block-d-c-laws-including-reproductive-health-non-discrimination-act/).

Fuuuuuuuck off. Get your shitty paws off our city.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 16, 2017, 08:32:48 pm
I don't need a source to prove that a man didn't say something.
You do need proof that the Democrats are lying when they announce that they have a deal. You can't just come out and claim "they're lying" whenever anyone says anything about a private meeting, that's just talking out of your ass. You literally don't have the shred of a hint that they may be lying for some reason, where did you even get that idea.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Do not even ask on September 16, 2017, 09:31:32 pm
but her emails
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Shocksconstant on September 16, 2017, 10:20:12 pm
and his birth certificate.....
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 16, 2017, 10:39:58 pm
There is a deal. There isn't literally a final bill that's ready to be sent to Congress, but it's happening. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trumps-dealing-on-daca-sparks-confusion-shifting-alliances-on-capitol-hill/2017/09/14/c9b2c904-994c-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_dacahill-1125a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2a26ab0578af) Further talks specifically about strengthening border security are going to be held in a few days. This isn't all some elaborate conspiracy being advanced by both parties in order to make Trump look bad

I don't need a source to prove that a man didn't say something.
You do need proof that the Democrats are lying when they announce that they have a deal. You can't just come out and claim "they're lying" whenever anyone says anything about a private meeting, that's just talking out of your ass. You literally don't have the shred of a hint that they may be lying for some reason, where did you even get that idea.

Holy SHIT. That WASN'T EVEN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

You made a ridiculous claim, I called you out for lying, you refused to back it up, and now you're trying to make me look bad by LYING ABOUT WHAT I WAS CALLING YOU A LIAR ABOUT?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 16, 2017, 11:10:42 pm
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about because you're the one who only waltzed in and said "you're lying" without even saying what the fuck YOU were talking about so go fuck yourself if somehow I didn't get what the fuck you meant. Do you expect people to just GUESS what's in your head ? This isn't anyone's agenda, this is you being a massive failure, and as usual this is all your fault. Fuck off.
Was this about the wall comment after all ? Then sorry but yes he said it in one of his rallies. And no, I can't be bothered to go get a quote because you're just full of shit. I'm telling you this is a fact. You don't like it, you think it's false, I don't give a shit, it's your loss. Get fucked.
Oh, and stop calling people liars just because YOU haven't heard about something. This isn't the first time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 04:26:06 am
He never really wanted it, he outright said it in a campaign meeting, he only started repeating something he heard and he was surprised by the response he got so he just figured it was what his "base" really wanted. He doesn't care about it but he thinks it will make his "base" love him, and that's all he ever cares about, getting praised. As long as people talk about it, he'll bring it up.

That's not even close to true. That was about phrasing, not policy. It's really disgusting how people run with lies like this.

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It's not a fact, because I know what you are talking about and it was not about what you think it was. You don't care about honesty. You don't care about reality. You care about tearing people who have ideas you don't like down by whatever fucking means necessary, even when you know it's wrong.

You have no ground to stand on. Everything about your behaviour in this thread is absolute fucking cancer. You just can't stop lying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 07:48:12 pm
Look, you said "that wasn't about policy" then you said "I can't prove what he didn't say" and then you say "I know the speech you're talking about and it wasn't what you think". If there really was a specific speech that I misunderstood, it'd be easy to explain what he said and correct my misinterpretation.
But no, you never actually make any point, you only say "that's a lie" about everything without ever being specific, you talk about everything and anything, you change subjects and you change your excuse every time. Do you know the speech I'm talking about ? Do you know what he said that I misinterpreted ? Do you know the correct interpretation of it ?
So no, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, because you're never actually talking about anything specific, you're just denying everything and rejecting the fault on everyone else. And you shout that people are wrong and force them to explain every little thing, nitpicking about every tiny details acting like it matters and changes anything, without ever bringing any proof to any of your claims yourself.

The fact is that you've never made any actual point in this topic and you've always been debunked and proven wrong again and again every time you jump in here. You're only here to get mad and shout at everyone and piss off everyone who says something you don't like.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 09:46:32 pm
Says the guy spouting complete lies and refusing to ever back it up with a source.

:)

You're here to insult people you don't like, facts be damned. Want to change that perception? Cite your damn sources, instead of spewing obvious lies. Pretty sure every single time I've engaged with you, you never cite your sources, and instead just start insulting me instead of either admitting you're lying or proving you're not. Sorry, your shame games don't work here. Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 10:19:12 pm
Says the guy spouting complete lies and refusing to ever back it up with a source.
Both myself and everyone else in this topic have done that multiple times every time you shouted that someone was lying - and yes, I do have to pull sources all the time about everything, you're just lying because you don't like the proofs you get.
Also, you claim that you know which speech I'm talking about and you claim to know what I misunderstood, so you should know the source already.
No discussion with you has been worth anything, you're always wrong or nitpicking about inconsequential details that you're somehow mad about, and you just disregard all proof anyway simply because you don't like them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 10:20:45 pm
No source, just more insults.

I'll wait.

Nothing you say means anything until you post that source. It's obvious you're trying to tear me down so I go away and leave your lies alone. Not gonna happen. Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 10:21:23 pm
You already have the source. What are you even waiting for.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 10:22:38 pm
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Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 10:28:26 pm
Yeah lol fuck off. You're wrong and nobody cares, just stop shouting at everything you don't like. I will keep posting about stuff that's going on and things that people said because I just care about commenting on them, I don't care to convince you that it actually happened, especially because you're such a massive bitch about everything, you don't care about discussing anything, you just want to shout about lies and agendas.
Get help.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 10:34:04 pm
No source then? More insults?

That was the sound of your credibility flying out the window.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 10:35:21 pm
You already have the source.
But you never had any credibility.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 10:36:46 pm
I have the source of something completely different that could conceivably be twisted into the crap you spouted. It is so dissimilar that I want to see yours. I want you, for one, to back up your outrageous lies with the proof you claim you have, but I know you don't have.

I'll wait.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 10:38:23 pm
So... You already have the source and you can't be bothered to explain your own point of view beside shouting THAT'S A LIE at people. That's why people hate discussing things with you.
You have nothing, and I don't care explaining it to you. I already explained why.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 10:39:13 pm
If you had a source, you'd have posted it by now. You don't. You're looking to tear anyone down with personal insults who challenges the lies you intentionally tell.

Prove me wrong. Post the source.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Byakko on September 17, 2017, 10:40:51 pm
lol no.
And you're the one who keeps jumping at people's throat about lies and agendas about the slightest word you don't like, you're a mighty fucking hypocrite talking to me about tearing down people with insults, you liar.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 17, 2017, 10:42:48 pm
As expected. No source, no honesty, no integrity, more insults.

Thanks, once again, for showing your true colors.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Odb718 on September 18, 2017, 05:00:01 pm
Having read the last two pages, I'm done reading this back and forth between Byakko, & Snakebyte.
You two are literally saying the same crap to each other over and over. You're both done. So stop.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 19, 2017, 01:06:06 am
To get back on a non-Byakko-related topic:

@Jmorphman: This (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-no-deal-was-reached-democrats-extend-daca-n801236) was what I read right before making that original response to you, and what was in my head when I wrote it. Trump himself was pretty insistent over there not being a deal.

I'm not sure if things have changed in the last couple of days, and I'm not trying to say he won't end up making one, I'm just gonna go with words from Trump about Trump rather than Democrats' words about Trump.

What you said in your second post about there being talks and there probably being a deal soon, seems about right.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 19, 2017, 02:30:29 am
but trump has lied more about trump than democrats ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 19, 2017, 06:06:05 am
You two are literally saying the same crap to each other over and over.
welcome to every discussion thread feauturing byakko
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Jmorphman on September 19, 2017, 08:33:41 am
To get back on a non-Byakko-related topic:

@Jmorphman: This (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-no-deal-was-reached-democrats-extend-daca-n801236) was what I read right before making that original response to you, and what was in my head when I wrote it. Trump himself was pretty insistent over there not being a deal.
It's pretty clear a deal of some sort was made. It kinda just feels like arguing over semantics at this point. The White House may or may not consider the arrangement they came to with the Democrats a "deal" because it may end up falling through, and it's got a ways to go, and yet.
(https://i.imgur.com/6vbW26H.png)
He's already backtracking on the Wall, and talking up the Dreamers, on Twitter and when talking to the press. It's pretty easy to draw a conclusion from all this.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on September 19, 2017, 02:10:34 pm
I can agree with that, just explaining where I was coming from originally.

That said, I think the massive backlash he got from his base re: DACA may lead to him reconsidering.

To me (and I have no source for this other than my ass) it feels like that Tweet spree was him testing the idea with his base, rather than committing to it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Shocksconstant on September 19, 2017, 06:38:32 pm
Problem is his base quite clearly want daca gone as well as a true wall so tweets like that are pointless if that's his strategy
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 20, 2017, 04:07:04 pm


So a lot of the nations Trump called out during his speech to UN are saying his speech was pretty much a veiled declaration of war (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41327130), that even the NK delegates apparently even walked out during his speech (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/19/politics/trump-un-speech-world-leaders-react/index.html)

Oh and he also took the opportunity to blame Hillary Clinton for NK's nuclear program (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/20/trump-blames-hillary-clinton-north-korea-nuclear-weapons-program/684183001/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: YOU'RE (almost) FIRED!!!
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 20, 2017, 08:17:10 pm
Problem is his base quite clearly want daca gone as well as a true wall so tweets like that are pointless if that's his strategy

yeah, but that base also has no idea who DACA applies to, so what they want gone is nto really DACA, they want gone something that does not even exist in the first place.

might or not be the same base that was on obamacase, wanted it gone and got surprised when they lost the obamacare benefits they had.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 21, 2017, 12:26:04 am
Oh and he also took the opportunity to blame Hillary Clinton for NK's nuclear program (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/20/trump-blames-hillary-clinton-north-korea-nuclear-weapons-program/684183001/)

I don't know shit about North Korea, but it is worth mentioning that every time I have gotten into an argument about North Korea, the other person ended up blaming Bill Clinton, and this is happened with far more left-leaning people than right.

It seems like there's something to this one. One day I should really care enough to figure out what.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Makkah on September 21, 2017, 12:56:01 am
Like you I haven't looked into it, but at face value the most obvious thing to me is: Bill and Hillary Clinton are not the same person. Trump loves blaming everything on other people. His constant grandstanding regarding North Korea is doing nothing more than escalating the problem while making the rest of the shake their head thinking what a fucking idiot.

North Korea needs to be checked, there's no doubt about that. Shit-talking, however, is not the way to do it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 21, 2017, 06:15:45 am
Entirely fair. He transfers blame from Bill to Hillary a lot. I don't know enough about their administration to know how active she was in it, but it's still probably pretty unfounded.

edit: In terms of how to actually deal with North Korea, my only opinion is that something should have been done ages ago, and 'it would fuck up diplomatic relations with China' is the only logical reason I can come up with why it wasn't. (Purely based on logic, not on actual knowledge). I have no fucking idea what the right thing to do is now and I'm not going to pretend to.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Odb718 on September 21, 2017, 11:16:08 am
Hillary was far more active in Washington's bills and goings-on, than almost all other first ladies. I'm pretty certain she had her handwriting in a few bills that became detrimental to the US.

Kim Jong-il was the reason things didnt happen ages ago.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 21, 2017, 03:54:15 pm
I look up things and try to learn about what options there are for North Korea.

Everyone knows they're masters of saber rattling... Always talking about fighting but never actually putting boots to the ground outside of the military parades they have. Here's the catch: North Korea has just as big an army as we do. Getting into a fight with them might be a rather big slog.

There's also the fact that they have nukes and aren't afraid to show it off. What if they target Seoul, which is 35-40 miles from the border? That would be catastrophic on a major scale.

There is no easy solution here. Hell, even what Snakebyte mentioned (which is pretty much code for 'assassination') would cause problems.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 21, 2017, 03:57:00 pm
There is no easy solution here. Hell, even what Snakebyte mentioned (which is pretty much code for 'assassination') would cause problems.

????????????????????

I was in no way suggesting assassination.

All I was saying was that getting into a fight with them would have been a much smarter option in the past, before they had nukes, and we're in the current situation of them being a real opponent that could end our civilization due to our earlier inaction.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 21, 2017, 03:58:08 pm
There is no easy solution here. Hell, even what Snakebyte mentioned (which is pretty much code for 'assassination') would cause problems.

????????????????????

I was in no way suggesting assassination.

All I was saying was that getting into a fight with them would have been a much smarter option in the past, before they had nukes, and we're in the current situation of them being a real opponent that could end our civilization due to our earlier inaction.

Okay, so I probably misread it. My bad.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Foobs on September 21, 2017, 04:19:29 pm
Fatty has to go, that's a no-brainer. He's irrational as fuck.

But he can't be killed by American assassins. Ideally, Pyongyang's military elite would kill him, either out of their own accord or under instructions of the Chinese. Then a semi-competent general or member of Kim's extended family (is there someone he hasn't feed to the dogs yet?) would take the reins and still nominally support North Korea's nuclear program, but without any serious commitment to blowing the shit out of South Korea and Japan.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: MAO11 on September 22, 2017, 06:21:14 pm
I look up things and try to learn about what options there are for North Korea.

Everyone knows they're masters of saber rattling... Always talking about fighting but never actually putting boots to the ground outside of the military parades they have. Here's the catch: North Korea has just as big an army as we do. Getting into a fight with them might be a rather big slog.

There's also the fact that they have nukes and aren't afraid to show it off. What if they target Seoul, which is 35-40 miles from the border? That would be catastrophic on a major scale.

There is no easy solution here. Hell, even what Snakebyte mentioned (which is pretty much code for 'assassination') would cause problems.

Nah the only thing that stopping the USA and it's allies on going to war with Nokor is that SoKor's economy will be affected after the war. where do you think all those displaced NoKor citizen go after kim's regime fall? and alot of young South Koreans doesn't care much about the unification because of that. millions of people to take care of, billions of dollars would be needed. and alot of those NoKor guys would have trouble adjusting, they have very limited skills to get a job or to be useful to SoKor  jobs that require manual labor is the only thing they could provide but obviously it will be filled up.


the only solution here is that NoKor should have a rebellion or a coup to overthrow the current regime or Kim jung un opens it borders just like china and russia did.
forgot his name it's not Zhou Enlai someone who worked under him, the one who is responsible why china became what it is today, kim jung un should read some history his country could still be salvaged,  and cuba is doing the same today , they are in the watchlist of potential investments the business community is keeping a close eye on cuba because of it's potential.

honestly years ago , i thought kim jr here would do better than his father. because of his educational back ground and how he was raised. i thought if ever that he would succeed his father he would be open to new ideas because he grew up in europe he saw the world without censorship without filters.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 22, 2017, 07:33:49 pm
I know exactly what you're talking about there with the younger South Koreans not being fond of unifying the two nations. It was in the opinion page of my local paper's Sunday newspaper some time ago.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 23, 2017, 07:09:27 pm
Sorry for the double post, but our "wonderful" President has now focused his anger from North Korea to... NFL Players who protest the anthem (among others) (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/five-highlights-from-trumps-raucous-alabama-rally/ar-AAso1ZB)

He also took time on his favorite social platform to tell Golden State that they're not allowed to come to the White House because the star of the team is questioning the idea since, well, Trump is a real 'dotard'.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Jmorphman on September 23, 2017, 10:14:16 pm
It's just like the CEO manufacturers council, he tries to claim he's rescinding the invitation after everyone already quit.

LeBron James said:
U bum @StephenCurry30 already said he ain't going! So therefore ain't no invite. Going to White House was a great honor until you showed up!
lol (https://www.twitter.com/KingJames/status/911610455877021697)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Makkah on September 23, 2017, 11:22:50 pm
Trump going as far as calling Kaepernick a son of a bitch is very telling to me. A black man protesting racial injustice is spoken of harshly, but those Charlottesville protesters? Very fine people.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2017, 12:20:43 am
Kushner (along with many many other White House aides) set up a private email account after the election and has been using it for White House business. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071)

This is Actually very different from Hillary because stuff.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on September 25, 2017, 12:40:28 am
Trump going as far as calling Kaepernick a son of a bitch is very telling to me. A black man protesting racial injustice is spoken of harshly, but those Charlottesville protesters? Very fine people.

If America had so much "racial injustice" as Kaepernick claims, he wouldn't have any chance of becoming as a successful as he is now.

He honestly deserves the shit he's getting in my opinion. Anyone who disrespects the flag that America's soldiers died for is simply a cunt in my eyes. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 25, 2017, 03:57:00 am
Kushner (along with many many other White House aides) set up a private email account after the election and has been using it for White House business. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071)

This is Actually very different from Hillary because stuff.

There's two answers here.

It's almost identical (slightly better simply because I don't believe Kushner deals with shit that matters as much as Hillary did as Secretary of State, but I could be wrong?) to Hillary in terms of the security risk. One of the main reasons people went at Hillary is that her communications were allegedly hacked or intercepted, intelligence leaked, American military died, etc. Kushner is guilty, at least in potential because I don't know if anyone's bothered hacking him, of the exact same offense.

However, the Hillary thing had additional angles. As far as I'm aware, Kushner isn't withholding his e-mails from being archived, deleting them in response to federal subpoenas, etc. The other reason people went at Hillary is that the use of a personal e-mail in her case was to keep information out of the hands of the public and the rest of the government. If Kushner starts doing that shit then it will be exactly the same.

For the record, I don't really care one way or the other about Kushner. I don't think he's particularly intelligent, but I haven't got any particular reason to hate him either. He probably shouldn't hold the position he does but until he actively fucks it up (and maybe he did and I just missed it) then I don't care that much.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 25, 2017, 04:38:57 am
Trump going as far as calling Kaepernick a son of a bitch is very telling to me. A black man protesting racial injustice is spoken of harshly, but those Charlottesville protesters? Very fine people.

If America had so much "racial injustice" as Kaepernick claims, he wouldn't have any chance of becoming as a successful as he is now.

He honestly deserves the shit he's getting in my opinion. Anyone who disrespects the flag that America's soldiers died for is simply a cunt in my eyes. 


It's not just him, you little shit for brains. Remember, Kap started to kneel after the events of a year ago involving black people. This whole thing would of died off had the Orange Orangutan not spout out his crap to a rabid base of dumb bastards that call Alabama home.

He now has the NFL and NBA against him (although NASCAR is sticking with His Orangeness because, let's face it, NASCAR will never EVER get rid of it's redneck stench now matter how much they try to market to anyone that isn't inbred). Sports are supposed to unify people at rough times, not divide them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 25, 2017, 04:41:34 am
You are both shouting dumb partisan things at eachother and it's making you both look dumb.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 25, 2017, 04:57:00 am
You are both shouting dumb partisan things at eachother and it's making you both look dumb.

While that is oh so true that I look bad, I feel it's the only way to fight back... trying to use facts and reason is impossible against Trump supporters, so the only option is to go down on their level and mud sling as well. When the current Idiocracy is gone, then there might be a chance for reason to return... until then, it's probably going to be a long four years.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2017, 05:29:42 am
I just don't get the whole "kneeling = disrespect" thing; Kaepernick originally started off sitting during the anthem, but later on specifically sought out the advice of veterans, and together they determined that the best way to continue protesting but to also make it clear he meant no disrespect to the flag or to veterans was to kneel.

Like seriously, kneeling is a sign of respect! I was raised Catholic, we're genuflecting all the goddamn time at Mass!

The White House has issued another travel ban, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-changes-travel-ban-countries/2017/09/24/1fef7cfe-a140-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.7c78e9cd0eb1) this time adding Chad, North Korea, and Venezuela (the latter applies to diplomats only), while also removing Sudan from the list.

I'm certainly no expert on this stuff, but I don't think adding North Korea and Venezuela is going to help much as an argument in the various the court cases about the whole Muslim ban thing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 25, 2017, 05:52:38 am
You are both shouting dumb partisan things at eachother and it's making you both look dumb.

While that is oh so true that I look bad, I feel it's the only way to fight back... trying to use facts and reason is impossible against Trump supporters, so the only option is to go down on their level and mud sling as well. When the current Idiocracy is gone, then there might be a chance for reason to return... until then, it's probably going to be a long four years.

I'm a Trump supporter and using facts and reason sure as fuck works on me. It's the only thing that does. Part of what pushes me and others towards supporting Trump is the sheer irrational disdain shown to him by others, it feels like his faults can't even be criticized because he's criticized for insanely exaggerated or made-up things regardless of what he does. It often feels like we have to side with Trump even if we're iffy on the nuance of something, just because of the insane opposition against him.

What I'm saying is that the people you're criticizing? They feel exactly like you do. They're slinging mud because they tried to use reason and found how unwilling to listen everyone was, how popular lies and emotionally charged bullshit were. When you know people are fucking with you like that, why bother using facts, right? There's no need to play fair anymore.

I look at comments like yours and I see a layer of hate that I've never understood, and that it isn't even worth trying to penetrate because facts and reason don't work on you. Please don't be offended, my point is not to single you out, and I'm sure you correctly look at many comments from the right and see exactly the same thing.

My point is that you have to start somewhere. My point is that the only way that any progress is going to be made is if we're all dealing in reality and talking to eachother and hearing what the other person is saying, acknowledging the little true things they say even when you think their overarching points are wrong. When someone feels like they aren't being heard and their truth is being ignored, they shut down.

No side is better than the other side if they can't sit down and explain why they're better, instead of flinging condescension everywhere.

edit@Jmorphman:

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(this is just a joke do not take this too seriously)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Niitris on September 25, 2017, 11:13:29 am
The thing is the reason he's doing it. His claim is that by standing for the anthem, you're showing pride in a country that oppresses blacks and other minorities. The kneeling represents fighting against that, and I find it to be misguided to put it kindly. It suggests that it's an epidemic when the truth is it represents a small percentage of the country. It's also unfair to the many servicemen and officers who do their job correctly, which is an argument from a current player and former veteran who came out for the anthem when his entire team sat out.

That said, Trump handled it poorly, surpise. There's no problem with pointing out the issue, but calling on people to "boycott the NFL" (lmao, America is too obsessed with fantasy football and gambling to do so) is a direct slight on the owner's pockets, people who aided Trump's campaign btw. But the other side isn't boycotting the NFL for that reason either now aren't they? And ripping players does nothing to alleviate the situation, you don't change people's minds by saying they should be out of work. Not to mention it sounds draconian as fuck, and that a vast majority of players actually did stand for the anthem before this week, go figure.

There's also the "keep sports and politics separate" claim that people like to use (which is fine), but for most that's little more than "politics is bad when it's the opinion I don't agree with." :(

(although NASCAR is sticking with His Orangeness)

lol, that clown show has far bigger problems. Like unsustainable costs, embarrassingly empty crowds, and all the rule changes and gimmicks turning it into a bigger joke than it already was (which is saying a lot). But at least everyone stood up for the anthem. :)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Snakebyte on September 25, 2017, 12:28:23 pm
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There's also the "keep sports and politics separate" claim that people like to use (which is fine), but for most that's little more than "politics is bad when it's the opinion I don't agree with." :(

Yeah but everyone has different opinions so it's not like this is trying to silence any given opinion, it's keeping something out that automatically pisses off a portion of the fans regardless of the opinion expressed. Sports is something people watch to get away from the rest of the world, bringing the world's dumb shit back in is poor taste. I am a politics debate masochist but I'm still gonna be annoyed when it crops up in my entertainment.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Niitris on September 25, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
I get all that, just pointing out that the reaction wouldn't be the same if the position being expressed was 'pro-American.' The same people had no problem with Tebow kneeling (albeit he did it in-game) since it was a display of his Christianity. Reaction would be much different if any celebration was a "Hands up, don't shoot" gesture.

It's more about that base not wanting "leftist" politics in their sports or entertainment. Or anything that goes against the good of what they feel the country stands for. Some people are neutral about it but I'd wager most aren't.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Makkah on September 25, 2017, 03:01:13 pm
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The kneeling represents fighting against that, and I find it to be misguided to put it kindly. It suggests that it's an epidemic when the truth is it represents a small percentage of the country.

No it doesn't. What it says is that the problem is significant enough to warrant attention, since a lot people believe that racism isn't even a thing anymore.

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It's also unfair to the many servicemen and officers who do their job correctly

No, it's not. If they do their job honorably, which most of them do, it doesn't apply to them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 25, 2017, 03:39:55 pm
Well, you're one of the rare ones Snakebyte. I usually hang around on Facebook and look at sites like Media Matters, whose job is to point out the con game the right wing is doing. Most of the time, it goes like this:

-Trump Supporter trolls
-I tell them "Corner. Dunce cap. Now"
-Trump Supporter usually fires back with fat joke
-I laugh it off since I've heard those jokes for most of my life.

To me, the kind of idiocy show by most of the Trump supporters disgusts me. There's no place in this world, or any world, where the kind of antics shown by him and his supporters are even remotely acceptable. It's clear that facts and reason don't work against them because they don't want to hear facts and reason, they want to hear anything that confirms their biases. I have my biases as well, but it's clear (at least to me) that until the right wing learns that "compromise" isn't a dirty word, then this cycle is just going to keep on.

BTW, I'm not offended in any way... It's actually nice that you care Snakebyte. But, sometimes... I just need to unleash my venom and hatred towards those who harm our country by supporting people and policies that don't help our fellow man.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Person Man on September 25, 2017, 04:29:38 pm
That said, Trump handled it poorly, surpise. There's no problem with pointing out the issue, but calling on people to "boycott the NFL" (lmao, America is too obsessed with fantasy football and gambling to do so) is a direct slight on the owner's pockets, people who aided Trump's campaign btw. But the other side isn't boycotting the NFL for that reason either now aren't they? And ripping players does nothing to alleviate the situation, you don't change people's minds by saying they should be out of work. Not to mention it sounds draconian as fuck, and that a vast majority of players actually did stand for the anthem before this week, go figure.

There's also the "keep sports and politics separate" claim that people like to use (which is fine), but for most that's little more than "politics is bad when it's the opinion I don't agree with." :(

Regardless of any person's political leanings on the issue, the fact does remain that Trump's thinly veiled threats were completely illegal.

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18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

Not that he's ever shown to have any comprehension of American law up until this point, but still.

It's shit like this that makes me honestly wonder how any rational person can support Trump.  Not as a liberal or as a conservative, but just as an actual, thinking person.  We're currently in a situation where millions, literally millions of American citizens are without shelter or power due to natural disasters across Texas, Florida, and Puerto Rico and the president of the United States of America; the man who swore an oath to serve and protect those people, is devoting all of his time and energy to having a fucking twitter war with professional athletes because he thinks they're not being nice enough to him.

How anyone who calls themselves an American, conservative or liberal, can look at that objectively and still think to themselves "I trust this person to be in charge of this country" boggles the mind.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Niitris on September 25, 2017, 06:16:18 pm
If they do their job honorably, which most of them do, it doesn't apply to them.

So then why take a course of action that subtlety implies that the country is full of dishonorable police instead of the minorty that they are? The criticism is that he's disrespecting the nation at large and not just those select individuals.

Regardless of my position, I don't have any issue with Kaep choosing to confront matters important to him. I just didn't feel it was the best way to make a statement on it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Chronan on September 25, 2017, 08:06:56 pm
Well, you're one of the rare ones Snakebyte. I usually hang around on Facebook and look at sites like Media Matters, whose job is to point out the con game the right wing is doing.
Jesus Christ man.
"I usually hang around on Twitter and look at sites like InfoWars, whose job is to point out the con game the left wing is doing."

Drop media matters and drop social media if you are trying to understand and argue anything going on in American politics. Your view is exactly on the opposite side of the "dumb Trump supporters" that makes you sick (which is just as bad politically speaking). Divisive viewpoints all built on exaggerations, falsifications, and petty bullshit that doesn't matter at all but gets overblown(the NFL kneeling shitshow) don't help anything. Then again it is perfect for this circle-jerk containment thread, so feel free to disregard the advice if this is as far as you intend to argue US politics for you own sake.

My point here is, don't try to claim ANY kind of moral or intellectual high ground in the same post you claim to get your info on the politics from Media Matters or fucking social media. It's just embarrassing. The con game is played by both sides, one isn't any better just because you dislike one side more.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Rocket man burning out his fuse up here
Post by: Makkah on September 25, 2017, 09:08:45 pm
So then why take a course of action that subtlety implies that the country is full of dishonorable police instead of the minorty that they are? The criticism is that he's disrespecting the nation at large and not just those select individuals.

I don't think he's implying that at all. He's protesting the actions of the few, but the few as a percentage are so great in number that attention needs to be called to it. I also don't think he disrespected the nation at large either. If he burned a flag or turned his back during the anthem then that would be different.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 26, 2017, 02:23:58 am
I get all that, just pointing out that the reaction wouldn't be the same if the position being expressed was 'pro-American.' The same people had no problem with Tebow kneeling (albeit he did it in-game) since it was a display of his Christianity. Reaction would be much different if any celebration was a "Hands up, don't shoot" gesture.

It's more about that base not wanting "leftist" politics in their sports or entertainment. Or anything that goes against the good of what they feel the country stands for. Some people are neutral about it but I'd wager most aren't.

Yeah, they wouldn't, but a different group would. The overall reaction would be the same even if the specific one wouldn't. Everyone's a hypocrite on this issue but the hypocrisy ends up being complementary, if that makes sense.

Well, you're one of the rare ones Snakebyte. I usually hang around on Facebook and look at sites like Media Matters, whose job is to point out the con game the right wing is doing.

First of all, Media Matters is explicitly a propaganda site. They coordinated directly with Hillary's campaign, using a loophole in campaign ad law related to internet stuff to do so without it being illegal, to spread negative lies about Trump and positive lies about Hillary. During the election I went into great detail dissecting some of the more ridiculous shit they did.

This isn't me being partisan, this is objective fact. You're going to want to get your news somewhere else. I don't care if it's the lefty-est of lefty places, but Media Matters isn't journalism, it's explicitly propaganda. It doesn't try to be independent or tell the truth, it tries to spread misinformation to accomplish a goal.

To me, the kind of idiocy show by most of the Trump supporters disgusts me. There's no place in this world, or any world, where the kind of antics shown by him and his supporters are even remotely acceptable. It's clear that facts and reason don't work against them because they don't want to hear facts and reason, they want to hear anything that confirms their biases. I have my biases as well, but it's clear (at least to me) that until the right wing learns that "compromise" isn't a dirty word, then this cycle is just going to keep on.

BTW, I'm not offended in any way... It's actually nice that you care Snakebyte. But, sometimes... I just need to unleash my venom and hatred towards those who harm our country by supporting people and policies that don't help our fellow man.

The thing is, they feel exactly the same way about you. They see you as just as unreasoning, just as hostile, supportive of policies that are just as damaging. Your moral position on these people is based on your position on the issues, and your opinion on the issues is potentially flawed--Not singling you out, this is true of absolutely everyone. Your condescension doesn't have a solid basis.

All of your hate is only valid if your worldview is valid, and until you destruct-test the shit out of that, expose it to the world, say what your opinions on the policies they support are, explain why you think they're so destructive, and hear the counterarguments and give them a chance to sway you, you have no right to act on it.

You could be wrong.

Literally everything you think, you could be wrong.

Just... let that sink in for a second, okay?

Trace back every feeling you have to the facts you think they are based on, then ask yourself if they're really facts. Figure out how to test those ideas. Throw them out into the open again and again and the longer you go without hearing a convincing counterargument, the more likely it is that they are true.

Because if you take the step that you're taking, going to moral judgements from untested ideas, you're doing the same thing Antifa does. You're deciding what people are and then deciding it's okay to treat them poorly because of what you think they are. 'Trump supporters are all unreasonable hateful people who want to harm our country' is just one very tiny step away from 'It's okay to punch fascists, and also I get to decide who the fascists are.'

You have to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your assumptions are true before you even think about acting on them. And in the process, you'll convince people that their reasons to hate you are wrong, too. You'll realize that you're just different people with different perspectives, sometimes with different values that you can disagree with but still accept and understand. Maybe you'll figure out which bit of misinformation is fueling your hate, or fueling theirs.

Otherwise, the world is just going to keep on hating and hitting eachother instead of discussing the ideas, honestly the misconceptions most of the time, that lie beneath, and democracy and civilization is going to slip even further away than it already is.

(this is take two of this comment, the forum ate the first one. it was a bit more concise and flowed a bit better the first time around)

the president of the United States of America; the man who swore an oath to serve and protect those people, is devoting all of his time and energy to having a fucking twitter war with professional athletes because he thinks they're not being nice enough to him.

How anyone who calls themselves an American, conservative or liberal, can look at that objectively and still think to themselves "I trust this person to be in charge of this country" boggles the mind.

I think it's pretty great. A man who spends all day starting shit on the internet is someone I can really empathize with. And, I mean, consider the alternatives...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2017, 02:46:39 am
I think it's pretty great. A man who spends all day starting shit on the internet is someone I can really empathize with. And, I mean, consider the alternatives...
That's... terrible.

There's so, so much more important shit going on in the world right now: Puerto Rico is in the middle of a humanitarian crisis. The latest Republican attempt at repealing Obamacare has gone down in flames. And Donald Trump is still fucking tweeting about the NFL, and that's Actually A Good Thing?!?! (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/912443607084404736) Get the fuck outta here.

EDIT: lol he finally fucking tweeted about PR right after I posted
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Person Man on September 26, 2017, 03:21:51 am
You know, all that high-minded faux intellectualism you seem so proud of really rings as being disingenuous when you're freely admitting that you form your political opinions through dank memes and petty contrarianism.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 26, 2017, 04:28:21 am
You know, all that high-minded faux intellectualism you seem so proud of really rings as being disingenuous when you're freely admitting that you form your political opinions through dank memes and petty contrarianism.

Don't worry, Person Man, there's nothing that could be more disingenuous than your posts about me.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 26, 2017, 06:32:38 am
I've heard the propaganda stories about Media Matters and that's true... Remember, it was created by a good friend of Hillary's. I see them as a watchdog group that has done it's fair share of propaganda. Kind of have to do that to survive in the world of the internet these days. To be honest with you, Snakebyte... I trust local news far more then national news. At least the local stories are legit.

As for your other point: You know, I could be extremely wrong. I could be... but what about you? You could be wrong as well man.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 26, 2017, 01:52:58 pm
Local news is probably a good call. And of course I could be wrong, that's why I try to have discussions with people with opposing views as often as possible, so I can hear their ideas and give them a chance to counter mine and change my views. Often they do.

The quickest way to be right is to be wrong in public often enough that people call you on your bullshit in a way that you find convincing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Titiln on September 26, 2017, 03:07:48 pm
You know, I could be extremely wrong. I could be... but what about you? You could wrong as well man.
(https://i.imgur.com/mZZsWlc.png)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 26, 2017, 03:57:16 pm
Yeah, I caught the grammatical error and fixed it.

Anyhow, I feel it's hard to have a decent conversation with someone who is on the right wing because more often then not, they start with mud slinging. How am I supposed to have a decent conversation when your first instinct is to attack? That makes it hard on my end to do anything other then attack.

Look at the pissing matches between you and Byakko, Snakebyte. Neither one of you guys budged from your views and it made the conversation into a volley of shots. It didn't sink to the level of mud slinging, but it was shown that when neither side can budge, no one wins.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Titiln on September 26, 2017, 07:22:40 pm
Yeah, I caught the grammatical error and fixed it.
it's not so much the grammatical error as it is that it might be the most vapid sentence i've seen in a long time
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2017, 09:43:59 pm
The latest attempt at repealing the ACA has gone up in flames once more. (https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/26/politics/health-care-republican-senate-vote/index.html)

Join us again in a few months as the Republicans try to once again repeal it, forcing thousands of people to bombard their representatives with phone calls, begging their representative to not murder them.

for the laaaaaaaaand of the freeeeeeeee
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 26, 2017, 11:53:20 pm
Yeah, I caught the grammatical error and fixed it.

Anyhow, I feel it's hard to have a decent conversation with someone who is on the right wing because more often then not, they start with mud slinging. How am I supposed to have a decent conversation when your first instinct is to attack? That makes it hard on my end to do anything other then attack.

Look at the pissing matches between you and Byakko, Snakebyte. Neither one of you guys budged from your views and it made the conversation into a volley of shots. It didn't sink to the level of mud slinging, but it was shown that when neither side can budge, no one wins.

So do the left. You literally do this in this thread. Your first instinct is to attack.

The 'conversation' with Byakko wasn't about views, it was about facts. He said something I knew to be false, he refused to attempt to prove it was true, and insulted me rather than attempt to prove it was true. If he had proved it was true I would have to accept that or I would be in the wrong.

There's a big difference between facts and opinions. I don't care what opinions people hold for the most part. I have a big problem with spreading political lies. Think whatever you like about the truth, but deal with the damn truth.

edit: The big issue with Trump is people constantly lie to convince others that he is Satan, instead of accurately telling people why they think he's Satan and letting them decide whether that's Satan-worthy or not.

Jmorphman, for example, has done a really good job of explaining the shit he doesn't like without lying to make others more sympathetic to his position. I don't agree with all of his reasons for hating Trump, but I agree that his reasons are based on things that are true. I just don't care or react to them differently. And that's totally fine. And if that's all everyone did that my life would be so much happier.

edit2: Also the ACA is hot garbage, can you guys just go single-payer already like every other civilized nation? :/
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 27, 2017, 03:37:03 am
I understand, man. I would be more then happy to tone down the rhetoric so this way I don't get myself into hot water because of my anger.

Now, since you want someone to give you an idea of what a person thinks of Trump... I think it's fair that I should give my view and then you can decide from there.

To me, he's not Satan... far from it. To me, he's getting into something he really he has no knowledge of. This is a guy who has had no political position in his life... not even a local position anywhere. Being President is, to me, the highest job anyone can have in a political sense. Yet, here's this man who has no knowledge of the position coming in and he took advantage of the environment of the time: a heavily divided nation that saw the current President as either a hero or a fraud. He stood with, and even championed, the idea that he was a fraud. If there was one thing he had, it was charisma. Think back to the Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger, former entertainers who became Governors. Because of their past work, charisma was something they had in spades. Trump did as well.

Another thing to think about is that he was immune to whatever errors he made the entire way. I've coined this the 'Doomsday Syndrome'. Much like the DC character, Trump seemed to be immune to the errors he made and there were many. Even a quarter of what he did would of knocked out any other candidate. Not him... Not Trump.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 27, 2017, 05:09:52 am
I don't disagree with any of that, and I think most of his supporters would agree with most if not all of what you just said. This is what I was trying to get at, that we can see the same thing and make radically different judgements because of our values or because of other things we know (or think we know).

Trump is absolutely inexperienced. As a President, he's been somewhat disappointing. He was never all that prepared to actually do the job. I don't think he's hopeless at it, I think he has some experience that crosses over and I think he'll keep improving with time, but there are some things that were complete fuck-ups. Look at the roll-out of the travel ban, that was one of the biggest political clusterfucks I've ever seen. Regardless of what you think of the ban itself, his original execution of it was fucking terrible.

But the thing you're missing is that he won because this was seen as a good thing. Trump's base views politicians, establishment Republicans included, as incredibly corrupt. They view Trump very differently, and to be honest I don't consider Trump much of a Republican--center-right, sure, but his politics are pretty damn different from people like McCain, or even like Pence. Throughout the election, Hillary was revealed to be very corrupt by Wikileaks and other sources, and even without those leaks she always came across as very fake and rehearsed. The #1 complaint about her was that she wasn't genuine. Trump was genuine. Trump was so much of an outsider that people believed he was free of the corrupting influences that they saw Hillary as embodying. It was a huge selling point for him, and he spun it the same way Bernie spun his record as an independent.

As far as being immune to scandals, it's because he represented a rejection of that kind of thinking. People didn't want Trump to be rehearsed and moral, they wanted him to be straight with them. They wanted him to speak his mind. And yes, that's kind of a license to be inflammatory and stupid, but it also means you know what's in the guy's heart. You might not LIKE it, but you know you're probably not being lied to. Trump is incredibly genuine, to a fault, to the point of fighting dumb battles on Twitter and turning a certain group of people off with his bluntness and lack of dignity.

I don't care if people say dumb shit. I don't think people's ability to run a country should be determined by whether or not they say dumb shit. I don't support that kind of 'pretend to be a perfect morally upstanding man in public and condemn everything even though we know you do it too' crap. It's fake, and it's an excuse for society to tear down people they don't like for other reasons. Trump won the presidency because he really connected with people, and dropping that fake PR crap was one of the biggest ways he did so.

For a lot of people, the question wasn't 'Do I want a disgusting sexist bigot whatever to run the country?', it was 'Do I want someone I trust to be straight with me and to represent my interests to run the country, or should I disqualify him because he said a dumb thing that, cutting the crap and being honest, I can somewhat understand and not overreact to?'

A lot of it is virtue-signalling, and a lot of people are fed up with crap like that.

Additionally, and this really has to be said, Trump was fucking brilliant at being a presidential candidate. Not a president itself, but I have never seen anyone run circles around the media and his opponents as well as Trump did. He discarded conventional wisdom in so many ways and he was completely right far more often than not. Hillary outspent him by a whole fuck of a lot, I think it was 15-1 at one point but he spent more towards the end, and still lost. The man is a marketing genius. He connected with people that write off politicians as a whole and got them mobilized to vote for him. That's why the polls were so off, btw--it isn't conspiracy bullshit, most polls only take into account the opinions of 'likely voters', which as I understand it is people who voted in the last election, possibly a few other factors too. Trump mobilized a ton of unlikely voters, and the polls didn't have a way to model that.

The last piece that needs saying is that a lot of people supported Trump because of who opposed Trump, and I count myself in with that. I hadn't seen anyone receive the level of hate and lies that Trump got, ever (there's been a few since that got it worse, Bannon for example). The media was against him. His party was against him. The other party was against him. Hollywood was against him. It felt like everyone who held any kind of power in the US was collaborating to try to take him down, and if you were already motivated by the 'fuck the 1%' type shit that a lot of people are, this makes Trump seem a lot more trustworthy. If this many people are trying this hard to take him down by any means necessary... clearly he's a threat to them. If you see them as a threat to YOU, he suddenly becomes your guy, especially as he made 'draining the swamp' part of his platform.

I'm not going to go that far, I'm not rabidly anti-government or anti-rich-person, but as long as the anti-Trump hysteria is in full swing, I feel kind of obligated to support the guy. He's not perfect, there's plenty to criticize about him (especially as president vs as candidate), but he's not a racist sexist bigot fascist white supremacist Russian spy who's going to nuke countries for fun. To take just one issue, I don't feel super strongly about immigration, but I feel like it's very wrong to call people racist for wanting less of it. There are valid reasons to want that, regardless of if you agree with them or not, and people should be allowed to take that position without having their moral character attacked. I feel like wanting to stop illegal immigration should be a pretty straightforward, non-partisan issue and it still blows me away that that's not true in the US, that it's somehow a moral good when the law is broken. but that's a bit besides the point. There are a lot of issues like this, where there are perfectly acceptable opinions that society doesn't let you hold without lying about who you are and what you stand for. Trump is a symbol against that shit. Not a symbol for racism--yes, racists exist, racists like some of the same thing he likes but for different reasons, but they're going to support someone and their voice shouldn't matter, jesus christ CNN has done more for the KKK than anyone else has by constantly interviewing its leader--but a symbol that trying to shut people down by lying about their reasonable views and calling them racist doesn't work anymore. Because they went nuclear on that approach with Trump and he won anyway. Him being in the white house is a perpetual reminder that shit like that doesn't work anymore. The people know, and truth wins out. The kind of control that certain pricks used to have is fading.

Wow this was such a huge ramble that I don't even know where to paragraph break that last bit.

Welp. Guess I'll just hit post. Have fun tearing this apart. I'm in the middle of a heat wave and my brain is melting out my ears. Wheee.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 27, 2017, 05:26:48 am
Trustworthy? Let's see...

Need I go on?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 27, 2017, 05:46:14 am
edit: You know what, I'm going to rewrite that comment without the rudeness.

Most of what you're talking about are things that Trump was elected to do. That's his job. To do what he was elected to do, what he ran on, what his supporters supported. It doesn't matter if you don't like that. Your job is to suck it up and win the next election. It is wrong to claim is he is a liar because he is doing what he promised to do. It makes him the exact opposite. Don't like it? Present a better platform and candidate next time, so that your policies get enacted instead.

Being trustworthy doesn't mean he has to do what you want. It just means he has to do what he said he would.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Chronan on September 27, 2017, 06:11:32 am
Trustworthy? Let's see...
...
I'm not sure how you're attempting to argue trustworthiness with some of your points there but..
Skipping the tired old "muslim ban" shit and the trans ban I don't know enough about, other than reassignment surgery should not be allowed for any active military members as it seems to have been implied, because it defeats the purpose of "active". I also recall Mark Hamill and other American celebrities posted a bunch of bogus numbers and statistics about it.

1. The attempt to repeal ACA and replace it with an alternative that only accomplishes to put more money in the pockets of health insurance companies instead of actually providing health coverage.
-This hasn't happened. The ACA replacement failure is currently on the side of the GOP, the same people who lost their party to Trump, because they've been so pisspoor at representing their constituents interests for decades now and also pisspoor at getting anything done period. Trump hasn't eaten their dogshit yet, because they haven't gotten far enough to feed it to him. The GOP is still demonstrating its skill here at being a constant chain of failure. This makes Trump look bad because he was cheerleading it, despite the work being on the GOP in the house/senate at this point and the past months. Trump doesn't write the laws, he can only influence the ideas until something lands on his desk.

2.  Many of his staff or associates having had ties with Russia (even when not taking the possibility of Trump himself being involved, its still not something that should be ignored).
-This is still an Infowars grade conspiracy theory that went mainstream, and should be regarded as such until actual -real- evidence is released to the American public. The hysterical shitshow lead by the WaPo and CNN on Trump himself was one of the most embarrassing media displays in recent history if you were actually following it. The continued usage of bad "anonymous sources" including those from Louise Mensch's camp as well as Pissgate and TWO TWEETS to name a couple of other blunders surrounding the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy. Comey's testimony pretty much shit all over the media narrative, hence why they started getting their shit together on it, and why we stopped hearing about it.

3. Nominating Ajit Pai as chairman of the FCC (the man who singlehandedly killed net neutrality overnight who, prior to his nomination to FCC chair, was a lawyer for Verizon, one of the very tech companies threatened by the idea of net neutrality)
-First off, almost every FCC chairman has been Verizon/Comcast for years, this has been ongoing, nothing new or out of the ordinary. Second of all this isn't untrustworthy. Both Trump and Hillary made themselves open to the fact that they had no interest in consumer rights on the internet. It was a lose-lose election for anyone who gave a toss about the net and fairness.

4. Using 5 days worth of focusing attention towards blasting NFL players for not standing during the national anthem, instead of using that time to focus on Puerto Rico's near-apocalyptic situation
-Agreed. No one should be giving a shit about the NFL's political virtue signalling/advertising, least of all the US president. Has nothign to do with trust though.

5. Publicly advocating the use of police brutality (a sentiment shared by his own Attorney General I might add)
-Totally overblown. "Don't be nice to thugs in paddy wagons!"

6. The mass deportations before and after the whole DACA situation took center stage
-This is not a bad thing, no matter how you try and spin it. ICE under both Obama and Trump deported a shitload of people who were in the US illegally. And when your are in the US illegally, you are subject to deportation because you're breaking US law by being here illegally. If anything this makes Trump more trustworthy in fulfilling his duty, no?


I don't think trustworthy is the characteristic you're really arguing here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Shocksconstant on September 27, 2017, 06:28:52 am
If I remember correctly Trump claimed to be THE advocate for LBGTQ yet his trans ban says otherwise so how's that trustworthy? Trumps absolutely refuses to show his tax returns yet claimed he would after they've been "audited" to which the IRS already stated he could show them whenever like every other president in the past 40 some years has. Did you "trust" Trump while he claimed Obama wasn't a U.S. citizen for like 3 years even AFTER he had already been proven wrong about it? What about all the evidence he claimed to have had on Obama wiretapping him? Where's that at? If I were describe Trump, trustworthy is not a word I'd use let's not forget he invited Russia in to "find" the rest of Hilary's email's only last year.




edit: Go ask Luther Strange about all that "trust" he has with Trump right now after he basically dump him for Roy Moore in Alabama. "I might have made a mistake"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/09/23/trump_i_might_have_made_a_mistake_endorsing_strange_will_be_called_an_embarrassment_if_he_loses.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 27, 2017, 06:36:02 am
Trustworthy might not be the right word here... it's more like 'willing to step on the eggshells and be fine with bloody feet". People like that in a person.

In fact, it's when he's on the road at his events is when he's at his best... which is also when he gets himself into trouble. This is what I call 'Dumbass Donald'. When he speaks in a less forceful tone, you can tell when there's a teleprompter is involved. This is what I call 'Teleprompter Trump'

Both of these personas are two sides of the same coin. Teleprompter Trump is straight forward and even sounds like a President. Dumbass Donald is more forceful and more then willing to go head first into a proverbial mine field just to prove a point. The latest fight with the NFL is a great example of him willing to go head first into a mine field.

His biggest problem is a party that's starting to show signs of an internal divide. The guy Trump supported in Alabama lost tonight to a guy supported by his former Adviser. The plans they have are consistently railroaded by it's own members.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 27, 2017, 06:54:20 am
Politicians lie. They stretch the truth, they cite erroneous statistics, and offer misleading conclusions and speculation with alarming regularity. That is an unfortunate and unavoidable aspect of the political system we all live in, and it is one everyone must accept and find some way to live with. Some politicians are more honest than others, but none of them are perfect, and it would be foolish to try and pretend otherwise.

Donald Trump is different. He doesn't lie like a politician does. He does it constantly, consistently, nearly every single day. He makes absurd, sweeping untruths without any seeming effort at all. Where normal politicians stick to (mostly) slightly stretching the truth, he makes up entirely fake, lurid pieces of fiction. He exaggerates needlessly, fabricating numbers and statistics that are wildly off base for no real reason.

His lying has stymied, and still is stymieing, most major news outlets; their normal tools and methods of interacting with and reporting on politicians simply don't apply, or aren't useful to Trump. They're used to dealing with normal politicians, who generally take care to never make a directly provably false statement, preferring instead to offer half-truths and misleading supporting statements. This is not true of Trump, and it has made for an incredibly rough adjustment.

The dedicated fact checking websites and fact checking sections at traditional news outlets are frequently at a loss, unable to keep up with the sheer volume of deception coming out of Trump's mouth. But an even cursory glance at these sites makes the difference between an ordinary politician and Trump crystal clear. The Toronto Star has a pretty good one (https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/09/25/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html), and it even generously (perhaps overly so) gives Trump the benefit of the doubt by calling these "false claims", and not straight up lies, because it's possible not every false claim was an intentional lie.

But I don't really expect this to change any hearts and minds out there. Things are too dead set and locked in, which is pretty unfortunate, given the wide gulf between the two sides. It is difficult to imagine any worthwhile discussion coming out of a debate when those sides exist in practically different realities.

But yeah, lies, huh? Here's one from today, I guess: despite Trump's repeated claims during the campaign that he would be so, so much better at protecting LGBTQ rights than his opponent, his Justice Department argued today in federal court that employers should be allowed to fire people because of their sexuality, (https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-09-26/us-appeals-court-to-consider-rights-of-gay-workers) as they interpret Title VII's protection against discrimination based on sex to refer solely to gender, and not to sexual orientation (which is how most courts are interpreting it these days).

This case is especially odd because the Justice Department's opponents in this case are the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The DOJ inserted itself into this case in July, filing a brief supporting the employer that fired the gay employee who is suing.

But that's not gonna stop Trump from continuing to boast of his support of the LGBTQ community.

This hasn't happened. The ACA replacement failure is currently on the side of the GOP, the same people who lost their party to Trump, because they've been so pisspoor at representing their constituents interests for decades now and also pisspoor at getting anything done period.
Yeah, that's simply not accurate. When one party controls both Congress and the White House, legislation is a team sport, a coordinated, multi-pronged effort that takes advantage of the unique strengths and abilities of both entities. Like, take the ACA: surely no one would seriously try to argue that the Obama administration sat idly by while Congress spent a year writing and holding hearings for the bill. This thing was given the name "Obamacare" for a reason: the Obama administration worked tirelessly, working not only to help craft the exact language that would become the final bill, but it also pulled out all the stops to whip the vote, coaxing nervous Democratic members of Congress who were incredibly reluctant to support the bill. And eventually, those efforts succeeded, and the ACA was passed by Congress and signed by the President.

It's a useful comparison to the way the Trump administration has been handling the Obamacare repeal efforts: after spending the entire campaign making wild promises about how his administration would repeal Obamacare, while also lowering premiums, and while also keeping the protections for preexisting conditions and all those other widely popular popular bits of Obamacare that most people like; once Inauguration Day rolled on by, the administration made no moves on health care reform, instead deferring entirely to the Republican Congress, which had some very, very different ideas in how to best repeal the ACA. Instead of trying to try to keep even some of the sweeping campaign promises Trump made on health care reform, his administration was content to allow the Congress to determine the best course of action, and resigned itself to signing whatever passed over the president's desk.

This is very much not the standard operating procedure in government. The administration was derelict in its role of helping shape legislation, and it also failed to put much pressure at whipping recalcitrant Republican members of Congress. The repeated failures to repeal Obamacare, and the multitudes of shockingly terrible bills and proposals that Congress came up with to repeal Obamacare, cannot be divorced from the Trump administration, because there was every opportunity for them to take the lead, for them to help the majority leaders get the votes they needed. The failure to repeal Obamacare weighs equally on Congress and on the White House.

It's certainly good for entire country that those efforts failed, of course! For now, at least...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 27, 2017, 01:53:29 pm
If I remember correctly Trump claimed to be THE advocate for LBGTQ yet his trans ban says otherwise so how's that trustworthy? Trumps absolutely refuses to show his tax returns yet claimed he would after they've been "audited" to which the IRS already stated he could show them whenever like every other president in the past 40 some years has. Did you "trust" Trump while he claimed Obama wasn't a U.S. citizen for like 3 years even AFTER he had already been proven wrong about it? What about all the evidence he claimed to have had on Obama wiretapping him? Where's that at? If I were describe Trump, trustworthy is not a word I'd use let's not forget he invited Russia in to "find" the rest of Hilary's email's only last year.

You're never going to convince me that the trans military ban is somehow an 'attack'. It is in line with how the military treats anyone with a medical condition, and being exempted from the draft is not cruel. It is kind. It is insane to twist this into bigotry.

You are not entitled to see the tax returns of a private citizen.

If you followed the news a little more closely, you'd see that he has been vindicated about the wiretapping. CNN posted an 'exclusive' on it roughly six months after the fact verifying the story.

I don't understand how anyone has a problem with that Russia comment either. Just more hysteria.

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Donald Trump is different. He doesn't lie like a politician does. He does it constantly, consistently, nearly every single day. He makes absurd, sweeping untruths without any seeming effort at all. Where normal politicians stick to (mostly) slightly stretching the truth, he makes up entirely fake, lurid pieces of fiction. He exaggerates needlessly, fabricating numbers and statistics that are wildly off base for no real reason.

His lying has stymied, and still is stymieing, most major news outlets; their normal tools and methods of interacting with and reporting on politicians simply don't apply, or aren't useful to Trump. They're used to dealing with normal politicians, who generally take care to never make a directly provably false statement, preferring instead to offer half-truths and misleading supporting statements. This is not true of Trump, and it has made for an incredibly rough adjustment.

The dedicated fact checking websites and fact checking sections at traditional news outlets are frequently at a loss, unable to keep up with the sheer volume of deception coming out of Trump's mouth. But an even cursory glance at these sites makes the difference between an ordinary politician and Trump crystal clear. The Toronto Star has a pretty good one, and it even generously (perhaps overly so) gives Trump the benefit of the doubt by calling these "false claims", and not straight up lies, because it's possible not every false claim was an intentional lie.

Incorrect. It's the major news outlets and fact checking sites that are lying constantly, nearly every single day. The giant lists of Trump's 'lies' are laughable, and include things like 'She didn't destroy iphones with a hammer, she destroyed blackberries with a hammer'. He frequently exaggerates or gets details wrong in the moment but that's not the same as lying, and thee sites are so insane and petty about what they deem a lie in their mad rush to call him a liar that they lose all credibility.

This isn't a claim I'm just throwing out there. Give me any of these lists and I'll tear it to shreds. I've done so before, I'm happy to take the time to do it again. If you only take a cursory glance as one of these sites, then maybe it looks convincing. If you examine the claims in detail, they fall apart and are revealed for the spiteful deceitful nonsense they are.

Re: ACA, it seems pretty clear to me that he's using it as a way to attack the parts of his own party that he doesn't like. I'm not sure what the end-game is here or where he's going with it, though.

edit: No, I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to skim over the inconvenient bit. Continuing:

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But yeah, lies, huh? Here's one from today, I guess: despite Trump's repeated claims during the campaign that he would be so, so much better at protecting LGBTQ rights than his opponent, his Justice Department argued today in federal court that employers should be allowed to fire people because of their sexuality, as they interpret Title VII's protection against discrimination based on sex to refer solely to gender, and not to sexual orientation (which is how most courts are interpreting it these days).

This case is especially odd because the Justice Department's opponents in this case are the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The DOJ inserted itself into this case in July, filing a brief supporting the employer that fired the gay employee who is suing.

But that's not gonna stop Trump from continuing to boast of his support of the LGBTQ community.

Yeah, there's no defending this. With anything Trump-related, there's always the possibility that any given thing is bullshit media spin, but that doesn't seem very likely here.

But the really annoying thing is that I never signed up to defend every action Trump makes. When you bring something up that I genuinely find repugnant but when it's mixed in with a bunch of other things I know to be bullshit, the temptation to skim over the inconvenient bits is huge. Because it doesn't prove your overall point. It doesn't make the rest of the bullshit suddenly not bullshit.

I'm not presenting him as someone perfect. I'm presenting him as someone who is hated undeservedly, who is constantly lied about, and who I still think is substantially better than the alternatives. 'Better than the alternatives' is a disgustingly low bar and there are several things that he's done that I hate, but that doesn't mean I'm going to align myself with people I see as far worse to attack someone I see as still an overall net good.

None of that is directed at you personally, I'm not calling you a liar here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Shocksconstant on September 27, 2017, 02:48:36 pm
You're never going to convince me that the trans military ban is somehow an 'attack'. It is in line with how the military treats anyone with a medical condition, and being exempted from the draft is not cruel. It is kind. It is insane to twist this into bigotry.

You are not entitled to see the tax returns of a private citizen.

If you followed the news a little more closely, you'd see that he has been vindicated about the wiretapping. CNN posted an 'exclusive' on it roughly six months after the fact verifying the story.

I don't understand how anyone has a problem with that Russia comment either. Just more hysteria.

It's just too bad that I specifically stated how those things make him untrustworthy not if its bigotry, or if I deserved to see tax returns, or how he "feels" vindicated about the wiretapping (he claimed to HAVE the evidence already directly targeting him!)

You also missed one about Obama being an U.S citizen, did YOU trust him during that whole birther debacle or not considering the "media is always lying on him" motto you like using.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Makkah on September 27, 2017, 03:42:40 pm
Since the tax returns were brought up, Donald Trump is NOT a private citizen. Every Presidential candidate going back decades has revealed their tax returns. First he said they were under audit and that he couldn't release them
That's a lie. There's no law prohibiting the release of the returns while they're being audited. Let's assume he meant he would prefer to do so after for his own peace of mind. He still hasn't done it. Insisting no one cares. He says it over and over until people seemingly give up. I don't trust politicians, and I don't trust corporate business men either. I think he's hiding something.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Niitris on September 27, 2017, 04:18:51 pm
If we're talking trust now, the media has been the worst thing about the last several months. If anyone's been untrustworthy it's been them. They champion being the more reasonable people, but they've shown on occasion be merely shades better than pandering trash like Huffpo and Kotaku. Not even a year into this and there's this listing:

Russia : transparent attempt to delegitimize him. If they happen to find evidence, cherry on top, otherwise simply mentioning it ad nausea works too.
Travel ban : call it a Muslim ban instead, facts be damned, proof that Trump is a xenophobic fascist.
Wiretapping : explain how Obama would never do that, suppress how the courts were given way more power (by him) to search through evidence.
Attacking Syria : talk about how the experienced politicians approve (I wonder why), first truly presidential thing he's ever done.
CNN gif : exaggerate its meaning and call it a ploy to endanger and assault journalists, fascist dictator.
Paris agreement : run the climate change denier narrative, suppress the numbers on how effective it'd actually be.
Charlottesville : viciously condemn neo-nazis, pacify the wrongdoings of Antifa. Doubled as fear-mongered race baiting, same kind alternative media uses to vilify Muslims.

Media on both sides of the spectrum is a business, and they're in the business of subtly riling up emotions to get viewers and the response they want. And it works wonders, always has, I'm not gonna say it's some new phenomenon that started in the Fake News-era. I think a good number of criticism towards Donnie is fair, but I think it's also fair to point out on how much of it is tainted with an agenda.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: MAO11 on September 27, 2017, 04:56:19 pm
trump isn't as bad as the media portrays him and he isn't good either like snakebytes wants to believe. calling him satan would be a compliment fucking satan never lied.

trump is just doing things that benefit him and his lifestyle. and to protect his rich friends agenda. other politicians screaming and spreading hate against trump would do the same if they're in power.  though alot of trumps policy are stupid,

and i know i'll sound like a bigot idiot but i do think they have a point excluding trans in the military. if you look at it in business perspective. and oh boy i'm gonna look like an ass here but surgically reassigned individuals cost a lot more to "maintain". they'd need to spend more money on consultation and research to "maintain" the health of this surgically reassigned individuals seeing this is new territory for the military they won't know if the drugs and medicine they are using right now is safe to used by these individuals or they could have side effects on their hormone injected bodies.

i'm not entirely sure about this since i'm not a trans and i don't know anybody who is trans, but i would love to hear what kind of medicine or drugs you guys take if there is, and i do  think surgically vaginas doesn't have the proper functions of a vagina when it comes to maintaining it's cleanliness i'm sure it's double the effort than a regular women does. but i do wanna know i'm curious as well.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Shocksconstant on September 27, 2017, 05:41:41 pm
Travel ban : call it a Muslim ban instead, facts be damned, proof that Trump is a xenophobic fascist.




Can't really blame the media for this one can you?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Niitris on September 27, 2017, 06:24:50 pm
Yes I can, because it doesn't refute the bigger point of the media using anything they can find to push the anti-Trump agenda.

At least that could be defended as calling him out for fear-mongering, but it doesn't change the terms of what was enlisted in the ban.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Shocksconstant on September 27, 2017, 06:59:21 pm
Yeah, those predominantly Muslim countries on the ban along with his words up there in the video I posted surely don't have in anything whatsoever in common right? That's why I didn't post an article, I can make this distinction clearly for myself from what the video told me last year and whats was said in the travel ban. Didn't have any bias or anti Trump media inbetween just video, to tweet, to Executive Order. I'm fairly certain I'm not the only one who can link this up and come to the same conclusion.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Byakko on September 27, 2017, 07:07:58 pm
The courts that told him to fuck off also specifically used Trump's own words as a justification to cast doubt on the denial that it was a Muslim ban.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Niitris on September 27, 2017, 08:50:15 pm
Even the msm at large refers to it as the travel ban to avoid criticism of being biased. Muslim ban was easier to go with because it was more simplistic to digest.

Helped by the genuinely xenophobic setiment, and that he did use that term in his campaign, and it's fair to say it's all semantics. But my point is that news outlets, left, right, or otherwise, has no problem playing with facts to envoke a certain reaction, regardless if it's justified.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Person Man on September 27, 2017, 09:21:08 pm
^ That's more symptomatic of a 24 hour news cycle where outlets are forced to compete with each other for TV ratings than it is any political agenda, I'd think.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 27, 2017, 09:58:15 pm
The advent of 24 hour news is easily one of the most fundamentally destructive events to happen to the entire political system.

Incorrect. It's the major news outlets and fact checking sites that are lying constantly, nearly every single day.
Pretty much what I expected. Like I said before, it's difficult to imagine any worthwhile discussion coming out of this when the two sides are so far apart that they might as well exist in alternate realities.

I don't think it's going to be a productive use of anyone's time to go through those lists to argue over each and every entry.

and i know i'll sound like a bigot idiot but i do think they have a point excluding trans in the military. if you look at it in business perspective. and oh boy i'm gonna look like an ass here but surgically reassigned individuals cost a lot more to "maintain". they'd need to spend more money on consultation and research to "maintain" the health of this surgically reassigned individuals seeing this is new territory for the military they won't know if the drugs and medicine they are using right now is safe to used by these individuals or they could have side effects on their hormone injected bodies.
Trans soldier's health costs are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than the military's budget for boner pills; the financial argument just doesn't hold water.

And besides, no person or group of people should be denied medical care just because it might cost more than other people's medical care!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Chronan on September 27, 2017, 10:57:55 pm
While the cost of reassignment surgery being funded by the military budget is a problem and a minor one compared to other military spending, such as any cosmetic or entirely optional medical procedures/pills. The real issue I see is the time cost. The down-time for reassignment surgery recovery can put active personnel out of service for up to 3-6 months, which defeats the purpose of being an active military personnel, as well as creates additional health problems if they are deployed and still dilating daily, 20 minute dilation isn't really possible on the field once or twice a day. In order to avoid that they'd have to be safely out of active duty for minimum 6 months, it is far from ideal. Especially for surgery that is ultimately unnecessary for their service or continued well-being while they are enlisted.
I don't want tax dollars going into viagra anymore than I'd want them going to something absurd like hair restoration. None of that should be the burden of the DoD or the taxpayer. The Defense budget in general needs to be trimmed down. Would be more ideal to start with failing projects. Sure great things come out of it militarily and commercially, but it's far beyond bloated at this point.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 27, 2017, 11:13:35 pm
This issue mainly effects people who aren't active military, though; it's almost always retired or non-active duty service members.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Iced on September 27, 2017, 11:41:49 pm
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/913057010379304962
This is one trustworthy dude that I would want on my side mocking the disabled.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 27, 2017, 11:53:21 pm
Since the tax returns were brought up, Donald Trump is NOT a private citizen. Every Presidential candidate going back decades has revealed their tax returns. First he said they were under audit and that he couldn't release them
That's a lie. There's no law prohibiting the release of the returns while they're being audited. Let's assume he meant he would prefer to do so after for his own peace of mind. He still hasn't done it. Insisting no one cares. He says it over and over until people seemingly give up. I don't trust politicians, and I don't trust corporate business men either. I think he's hiding something.

Yes he is lol. You have no right to see his tax returns, stop whining.

Can't really blame the media for this one can you?

I completely agree with you on this one, it's fair to call it a muslim ban. It's not what it is exactly, but it is what he called it over and over again. There are a lot of muslims it doesn't ban, but the people that it does ban are pretty much exclusively muslims. I call it a muslim ban when I talk about it even though I know it isn't 'no muslims can enter'.

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Pretty much what I expected. Like I said before, it's difficult to imagine any worthwhile discussion coming out of this when the two sides are so far apart that they might as well exist in alternate realities.

I don't think it's going to be a productive use of anyone's time to go through those lists to argue over each and every entry.

All that says to me is that you don't actually care about finding the truth and are willing to remain in your bubble.

Also: That's the point. That's why people compile those giant lists. Because when bullshit reaches a certain peak, no one bothers to wade through it and just assumes it has to be true.

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This is one trustworthy dude that I would want on my side mocking the disabled.

Nice job reducing Senator McCain to his disability. That's super ableist, guy. McCain deserves to be mocked because he has absolutely no principles and sells out his constituents literally every chance he gets, but just keep on calling Trump a bigot, it's worked out so well for everyone so far...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2017, 12:05:53 am
I'm glad to know that it's OK to mock a (probably) terminally ill POW's physical ailments as long as one considers him a sell-out.

Also: That's the point. That's why people compile those giant lists. Because when bullshit reaches a certain peak, no one bothers to wade through it and just assumes it has to be true.
That's pretty fucking ridiculous, my dude. Don't go around claiming people are living in bubbles when you can't engage in the idea that a list could be assembled containing the various lies Trump has said could be for anything other than evil, nefarious purposes.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2017, 12:10:06 am
As I said, I've gone to the trouble of dissecting these lists many times. Every one I have come across is garbage.

I've done the work. You're welcome to have an opinion when you do, too.

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I'm glad to know that it's OK to mock a (probably) terminally ill POW's physical ailments as long as one considers him a sell-out.

Of course it is. It's fucking bizarre that you think it wouldn't be.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2017, 12:11:12 am
I'm very, very sorry that I put more trust into talented, experienced journalist than a random dude on an internet. It's a very terrible burden to be trapped in a bubble like this.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2017, 12:12:49 am
So you're just going to go on about how every journalist automatically tells the truth and refuse to post any of the lists, and do any work looking into the claims?

Yeah, I'm not the joke here, friend.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Person Man on September 28, 2017, 12:13:59 am
Snakebyte in this thread:  Can't we all learn to respect other people's views and talk this out like rational adults?

Also Snakebyte in this thread:  You're not allowed to have an opinion unless it's the same one as mine.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2017, 12:15:52 am
Maybe don't mischaracterize me?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Iced on September 28, 2017, 12:29:54 am
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This is one trustworthy dude that I would want on my side mocking the disabled.

Nice job reducing Senator McCain to his disability. That's super ableist, guy. McCain deserves to be mocked because he has absolutely no principles and sells out his constituents literally every chance he gets, but just keep on calling Trump a bigot, it's worked out so well for everyone so far...


" Actually Mocking Tortured POWs is Good"-Snakebyte
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2017, 12:35:02 am
No, not all of them. Just this one. Which you know. This tactic is disgusting.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2017, 12:37:14 am
Is it more or less disgusting than mocking a dying man for his illness? :thinking:

So you're just going to go on about how every journalist automatically tells the truth and refuse to post any of the lists, and do any work looking into the claims?
I already posted a list. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2377014) There's a lot more online, but I had only posted that one as an example. If you wanna go through all of the stuff listed there—and not just randomly bringing up a Trump claim about Clinton emails as an example of how they're all bullshit (especially when the list in question that I posted specifically lists "false statements", not lies)—be my guest; no one's stopping you from doing that.

But I'm not especially interested in doing the same, so I'm calling it quits from here. Just try not to mistake anyone's refusal to debate someone as delusional as you are, as being equivalent to blindly accepting everything one reads in the media. :tipshat:
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2017, 12:38:24 am
Fuck, I completely overlooked that link. You're right and I owe you a huge apology. Sorry.

But nah, you don't get to call everyone who disagrees with you 'delusional' either. Christ.

edit: Nah, I earned that, for acting like a list that size was reasonable to try to go through point by point.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Makkah on September 28, 2017, 12:43:34 am
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Yes he is lol. You have no right to see his tax returns, stop whining.

He's the fucking president of the United States. How the hell is he a private citizen? You *are* delusional.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2017, 12:45:13 am
The tax returns you want to see are those from when he was a private citizen. You do not have a right to retroactively unprivatize his tax returns.

@Jmorphman: That list is way bigger than previous lists I have gone through and debunked. Your position makes far more sense now. I can't even remotely be fucked, going through all of that would be a full-time job.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: MAO11 on September 30, 2017, 02:48:18 am
actually you can, there's no law that prevents someone private or not to see your tax returns even if it's being audited. . but on the other hand there's no law against making a false tax return too. ahahahaha i'm not even an american citizen why the fuck do i care.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Person Man on September 30, 2017, 02:55:00 pm
Trump is now openly attacking Puerto Rico (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/353216-trump-criticizes-san-juan-mayors-poor-leadership-during-puerto-rico) for being too weak and lazy to avoid being destroyed by a hurricane, while praising himself for having done almost nothing to help.

Also he's now trying to start a new conspiracy theory to distract people by accusing Ted Cruz's father of plotting the assassination of JFK. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/trump-ted-cruz-father-222730)  Never mind, my news feed lied to me. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Foobs on September 30, 2017, 03:01:13 pm
That's old news, he accused Ted Cruz's father of assassinating Kennedy back during the Republican primaries.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Person Man on September 30, 2017, 03:06:07 pm
Ah, whoops.  My bad, I misread the date on that.  For some reason that was popping up in my news feed as something recent.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Foobs on September 30, 2017, 04:01:59 pm
The funniest thing about that incident is that Trump never apologized (who'da thunk it?), yet Cruz was spineless enough to endorse him after his own campaign died.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 30, 2017, 05:10:39 pm
Anyone who has seen what Hurricane Maria did to Puerto Rico knows what kind of work has to be done... which makes Trump's actions that much more despicable.

They need the help there... put off the golfing trip and help them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 30, 2017, 05:56:36 pm
actually you can, there's no law that prevents someone private or not to see your tax returns even if it's being audited. . but on the other hand there's no law against making a false tax return too. ahahahaha i'm not even an american citizen why the fuck do i care.

That has nothing to do with anything I said.

Also if you think Trump has done almost nothing to help Puerto Rico, you're being lied to. (http://observer.com/2017/09/amid-nfl-obsession-media-blinds-itself-to-trump-puerto-rico-relief-efforts/) Believe it or not the man does more with his days than the couple of tweets you see.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: MAO11 on September 30, 2017, 06:11:09 pm
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The tax returns you want to see are those from when he was a private citizen. You do not have a right to retroactively unprivatize his tax returns.

doesn't matter what time it was, it's like saying i raped a person when i was 16 so you can't sue me.

nobody is claiming that trump didn't helped, it's expected that the president would lead an relief, but what people didn't expect is a negative remark towards the LGU of puerto rico , which i agree on him it's just bad timing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Snakebyte on September 30, 2017, 06:17:56 pm
doesn't matter what time it was, it's like saying i raped a person when i was 16 so you can't sue me.

I literally don't think you're understanding the point I'm making. Not trying to be a dick, but is English your second language?

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nobody is claiming that trump didn't helped, it's expected that the president would lead an relief, but what people didn't expect is a negative remark towards the LGU of puerto rico , which i agree on him it's just bad timing.

That's totally fair.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: MAO11 on September 30, 2017, 06:29:33 pm
you new here? take note that whenever i post something here, i'm drunk.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 30, 2017, 08:35:49 pm
that puts you both on a level field
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Patriot Wars: United States v. NFL"
Post by: Jmorphman on October 01, 2017, 12:46:41 am
Trump is now openly attacking Puerto Rico (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/353216-trump-criticizes-san-juan-mayors-poor-leadership-during-puerto-rico) for being too weak and lazy to avoid being destroyed by a hurricane, while praising himself for having done almost nothing to help.
What an absolute piece of shit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Makkah on October 01, 2017, 08:20:48 am
To the surprise of no one sensible.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Makkah on October 03, 2017, 07:08:39 pm
"Now I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack"

-Donald J Trump

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/915248547859066885

This man has absolutely no tact whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 03, 2017, 09:03:54 pm
maybe he thinks puerto rico is inhabited by mexicans ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Person Man on October 03, 2017, 11:31:35 pm
Nazis and white supremacists:  Very fine, good people
Disaster victims:  Lazy, entitled money wasters.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Jmorphman on October 04, 2017, 04:16:26 am
Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html); wow what a shocking coincidence.

But I know, I know. It's that obviously fake Russian conspiracy that's been debunked by very reputable news sources, and even worse, it's being reported on by the great Satan himself, CNN. So don't even bother clicking it or complaining about it, it's just fake news, after all!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Chronan on October 04, 2017, 05:57:29 am
No need to be so intentionally daft and shift goalposts on those evil Trump supporters your hate so much. That "fake Russian conspiracy theory" was the Trump-Russia collusion angle you were jerking yourself off to about 6 months back.
I don't recall anyone denying Russian influence on the election here. It's been established and widely accepted(even by those big dumb Drumpf supporters try so hard to pretentiously mock) that Russia (for Trump), Ukraine (for Hillary), and a number of other countries were involved in influencing the 2016 election, the true extent of which still in question. As has been occurring for decades and the US is not without its own sins of influencing other countries elections. Social media only helps increase the strength of this influence.

Nice job trying though, maybe you'll be as smart as a dumb #MAGA tard in the future!
Seriously though, drop the obnoxious attempt at "muh stereotypical Trump/Trump supporter" mockery in your article linking. Using that as a shield to deflect criticism again using a biased as shit source like CNN only helps you look dumber in the process, and at best, you just come off as a cunt. Unless that's what your going for, then by all means, keep it up!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Jmorphman on October 04, 2017, 06:09:27 am
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ;)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Niitris on October 04, 2017, 02:05:18 pm
Sorry, but that's a terrible reply. This is pretty much a minor story, being made to look bigger than it actually is because the Ruskies are involved.

Of course you'll never hear the other side of it coming from them, where Facebook colluded with Hillary, as per Wikileaks. Such a surprise coming from the people responsible for this gold piece (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-beYBLrkNAg) (it's different for us, lofl). Even if one chooses to dismiss Assange as a paid out agent of Putin, it'd be pretty naive to think that of the many corporations that sided with the DNC, none of them engaged in power playing to influence the election. They were simply beat by foreigners, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with their poor choice of a presidential candidate. There's also a recording out there of Hillary elaborating on influence election results in 2006, so yes indeed the US is far from innocent.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/23/politics/stan-greenberg-hillary-clinton/index.html
I do agree that CNN isn't a complete joke and are capable of putting out informative material. Having said that, people better hope the Dems have learned something of substance by 2020. Because all blame deflection and identity politics will do is make Trump 2020 a reality, at least someone within the DNC knows that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Erroratu on October 04, 2017, 02:38:49 pm
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ;)
"I have absolutely nothing to add at all but I had the last say so haha try again sweetie" looks so nice coming from a moderator
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Puerto Rico was too lazy to stop Maria"
Post by: Jmorphman on October 04, 2017, 02:47:06 pm
I'll rephrase it into something more substantive, if you'd prefer:

One should decide between clutching at pearls at my oh so horrible and insensitive insensitive snark, or they can leave a rambling, mostly incoherent reply that's primarily just expletives strung together.

It really ain't possible to do both.

Sorry, but that's a terrible reply. This is pretty much a minor story, being made to look bigger than it actually is because the Ruskies are involved.
The specific Russia-Facebook ads story or the Russia-collusion one? I'm honestly baffled by the idea that the former could be construed as being "minor", cuz it's literally a story featuring a foreign power making a direct attempt at swaying an election. I mean, sure, it's not the first one of these stories to pop up this year, but that doesn't make it "minor".

The smoke keeps building and building, and it's getting harder and harder to imagine that there isn't any fire at all.

Because all blame deflection and identity politics will do is make Trump 2020 a reality, at least someone within the DNC knows that.
Identity politics are just politics that affect other people. Black civil rights are identity politics. Gay rights are identity politics. All of those, and more, are absolutely goals worth pursuing.

It's totally fine to not agree with some of them, or dislike the general direction of some of those movements, but dismissing everything under a label like "identity politics" is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Ricepigeon on October 06, 2017, 05:42:10 pm
So Trump pretty much strongly hinted at the possibility of military action against North Korea during a dinner (http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/trump-drops-ominous-calm-before-the-storm-line-while-posing-with-military-leaders/).

Meanwhile, Trump's advisors want him to fire Rex Tillerson and replace him with current CIA Director Pompeo as the new Secretary of State (http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/trump-advisers-float-cia-director-pompeo-to-replace-tillerson/).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Jmorphman on October 06, 2017, 11:49:29 pm
Man, this story about the White House cutting off federal support of the ACA is just depressing. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-aca-enrollment-nears-administration-keeps-cutting-federal-support-of-the-law/2017/10/05/cc5995a2-a50e-11e7-b14f-f41773cd5a14_story.html?utm_term=.b3a49c59b8fb) Even states like Iowa, whose Republican representatives are trying to shore up their insurance markets are getting fucked over. And for what?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 07, 2017, 03:04:38 am
regarding sticking it to trump, I guess there is a state of choice other than texas if I ever get a job in the usa

http://www.snopes.com/2017/10/05/california-becomes-sanctuary-state/


(nope, it's not about illegally immigrating, even whe you immigrate legally, the time between jobs is a very big headache becuase you either have to get a job asap, most probably changing states and resseting your life, or become a dual nation/citizen person that goes back and forward, dunno which one is even harder ).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Snakebyte on October 07, 2017, 05:29:33 pm
Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html); wow what a shocking coincidence.

But I know, I know. It's that obviously fake Russian conspiracy that's been debunked by very reputable news sources, and even worse, it's being reported on by the great Satan himself, CNN. So don't even bother clicking it or complaining about it, it's just fake news, after all!

The thing here is that CNN makes no distinction between 'a random Russian' and 'the Russian government'. They're deliberately conflating the two, and that's why it's fake news. These literal Facebook fake news things were from Russia, yes, but were just some random Russian guy making money off provocative fake shit. There's no connection to anyone running the country. Not that he did, but why would we care if Trump coordinated with some random guy in Russia?

This isn't anything about 'a foreign power', as your other post says. Just a foreign citizen.

Also, no, 'identity politics' is acting like people's politics are because of their identity, like when every black conservative is called horrible racist names by all the anti-racists because they don't conform to what a black person should think. It's sickening and it's everywhere. Your race, sexual orientation, etc., does not determine your views about economics. Races do not vote with one mind. Be individuals. Make your own choices. Reject this grouping along racial lines, because it's one of the most racist things around today.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2017, 12:40:01 am
but why would we care if Trump coordinated with some random guy in Russia?

unless the usa electoral laws are even more weird and further away from modern civilized countries, because foreign citizens are not supossed to interfere in those.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Snakebyte on October 08, 2017, 01:53:10 pm
Didn't seem to stop John Oliver, Milo Yiannopoulos, any number of other Brit pundits from weighing in. Doesn't seem to be any obligation for them to do so truthfully.

'Interfering with the election' doesn't seem to include presenting people with information that might change their votes, true or false.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Jmorphman on October 09, 2017, 01:54:57 am
Also, no, 'identity politics' is acting like people's politics are because of their identity, like when every black conservative is called horrible racist names by all the anti-racists because they don't conform to what a black person should think.
Huh? Is this like, a Canadian thing or something? I genuinely have never heard of this definition before. Like, it's definitely related to the , but it's still distinct. (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity-politicsgenerally accepted definition[/url)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Niitris on October 09, 2017, 03:08:29 am
Yes, the facebook ads story is minor. It's purpose is little more than to reassure it's readers that there's something to the whole Trump-Russia connection, yet doing nothing to even mildly validate the claim of collusion. It tries to imply that the Russians (birthplace of the KGB) are so stupid, the only way could've gotten the information to target those states was from the Trump campaign. Yeah, okay.

...

Identity politics are an unavoidable side result of demographics and are neither good or bad by itself. It becomes a problem when one shows priority of select groups over others to their determent. Like giving little thought of economic issues in battleground states compared to political activism, the class dynamic is identity politics too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Snakebyte on October 09, 2017, 03:39:44 am
Also, no, 'identity politics' is acting like people's politics are because of their identity, like when every black conservative is called horrible racist names by all the anti-racists because they don't conform to what a black person should think.
Huh? Is this like, a Canadian thing or something? I genuinely have never heard of this definition before. Like, it's definitely related to the , but it's still distinct.
 (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity-politicsgenerally accepted definition[/url)

Whenever you hear someone talking about identity politics negatively, this is what they mean. Maybe I'm explaining it poorly, but it's the lack of individualism that we all find a problem with. We (being the people who hate identity politics) broadly believe that you shouldn't define yourself by things you can't control, should make an identity for yourself out of your personality and accomplishments, and we hate that people feel pressured to think or vote a certain way because of social expectations around their skin color/sexual orientation/etc. We want everyone to have true freedom of thought, instead of having to conform to 'the X community'.

This is a big part of why Milo Yiannopoulos has a fanbase. While he got into a lot of other shit, at his core he is someone who breaks the mold. He has loud and strong opinions that 'people like him' aren't supposed to have, and there are many people out there that feel he gave them the courage to be honest about their own opinions and politics despite what society would pressure them into. You can think those politics are wrong, I'm totally fine with that, but I hope you can agree that people feeling pressured into hiding their views, wrong views or not, is a shitty thing.

edit: To be clear when I say 'wrong views' I do not mean racism or anything like that, I just meant right-wing policy positions you might disagree with. I read this back and saw how you could read it as me arguing that bigotry should be open and accepted... not what I meant. Not at all. Strong no. I meant like, wrong as in incorrect, not wrong as in immoral.

Also I talk about politics on the internet, any weird shit you hear me come out with is going to be from the parts of the internet I inhabit, not my physical location.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Jmorphman on October 09, 2017, 05:41:04 am
But that's still not really identity politics? It's definitely connected, but it's a totally separate thing. Never, in all the times I've seen something complaining derisively about identity politics, has that meaning ever been used. It just seems confusing to conflate the two issues. :S

The White House released a list of very hard-line immigration principles tonight relating to the deal being worked out between Congress and the administration to protect the Dreamers while also strengthening border security. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/08/trump-administration-releases-hard-line-immigration-principles-threatening-deal-on-dreamers/?utm_term=.20fdf6ec855a) That tentative deal with the Democrats a few weeks ago must've generated too much uproar, cuz this new list demands that The Wall be built, as well as cuts to legal immigration.

Combine it all, and it's a non-starter in Congress; the only way a bill saving the Dreamers is getting passed is if moderate Republicans and Democrats vote on it, since the hard-line anti-immigration wing of the GOP certainly won't, and these demands by the White House will kill any chance of Democrats cooperating. I guess it's possible that Congress could work out a deal all by themselves, but bipartisanship isn't really a thing right now, so it's probably best not to get too hopeful.

It's really shitty that a bunch of young people's lives are being used as bargaining chips like this.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Snakebyte on October 09, 2017, 05:49:18 am
Not sure what else to say, I'm using it the only way I've ever seen it used and it's weird to me that it's weird to you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Jmorphman on October 09, 2017, 05:57:03 am
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Titiln on October 09, 2017, 08:31:00 am
for whatever it's worth i see identity politics used in the same way snakebyte is describing rather often
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 10, 2017, 01:09:59 am
same here, that's the only way I see it used too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Jmorphman on October 13, 2017, 07:25:39 am
Today, Trump signed an executive order that will eventually rewrite key ACA regulations, and potentially allow individuals to purchase short-term health insurance that don't cover the ACA mandated essential health benefits (i.e., stuff like preexisting conditions and other stuff that makes health insurance actually worthwhile) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/12/this-executive-order-is-trumps-most-significant-step-yet-to-undermine-obamacare/?utm_term=.d830f31f9613), which pretty much every expert agrees will destabilize the existing healthcare marketplaces, and see an exodus of young, healthy people who will go buy the very cheap, very skimpy health plans, leaving the existing marketplace full of sick and elderly people (who can't use those skimpy plans), which will naturally cause premiums to skyrocket. It's an idea that no one in particular seems to love (except Rand Paul, I guess), but I guess spite is a good way to govern!

But it's not all bad: this order doesn't do anything immediately, it just sets up a process by which those regulations will eventually be rewritten. So there's always a chance cooler heads could prevail, and no disastrous decisions are made. No need to panic right this second...

Except, oh wait, in an even more massive bombshell, the White House announced tonight that the government will no longer pay the cost-sharing reductions to the insurance markets that help keep the premiums affordable. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-gut-aca-insurance-rules-and-undermine-marketplaces/2017/10/11/40abf774-ae97-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_aca-execorder-1025pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.06638c37d1d9) Such a move is almost guaranteed to cause the ACA markets to implode; uncertainty about whether Trump would cancel the payments or not have already caused a big increase in premiums for 2018, and that's only the beginning. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that premiums will increase by 25% by 2020, and that the deficit will increase by $6 billion in 2018 and $21 billion by 2020.

So uh yeah, things are pretty fucked up right now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Calm Before the Storm
Post by: Makkah on October 13, 2017, 03:05:31 pm
My mother became ill literally the week after getting her ACA coverage. Luckily for her, they covered the overwhelming majority of her $80,000 bill. Plenty of other people with cancer and other horrible diseases depend on it or they would be up a creek without a paddle, otherwise. He doesn't care though. Instead trying to fix what's wrong this asshole is intentionally fucking everything up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Obamacare is DEAD... sorta
Post by: Person Man on October 14, 2017, 08:30:06 pm
Trump made a speech at an anti LGBT hate group event, (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-anti-lgbt-address-hate-group-summit-meeting-first-president-us-homphobia-a7997401.html) praising them for their good work and assuring them that he will protect Christian values in America.

Can't wait for Snakebyte to come in and explain to all us libtards how this is a fake news conspiracy and how openly condoning discrimination and hate speech is actually a bold, presidential action that proves how much Trump cares about equal rights.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Obamacare is DEAD... sorta
Post by: morbidjoe on October 14, 2017, 08:32:40 pm
these are the moments I wish I lived in canada : /
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Obamacare is DEAD... sorta
Post by: ArmoredAvenger on October 15, 2017, 04:39:46 am
Trump made a speech at an anti LGBT hate group event, (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-anti-lgbt-address-hate-group-summit-meeting-first-president-us-homphobia-a7997401.html) praising them for their good work and assuring them that he will protect Christian values in America.

Can't wait for Snakebyte to come in and explain to all us libtards how this is a fake news conspiracy and how openly condoning discrimination and hate speech is actually a bold, presidential action that proves how much Trump cares about equal rights.

You know you're not going to convince people that you have legitimate concerns about this country's future when you make comments like this, right?
 
In actuality, it makes you look like an douche. Just saying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Obamacare is DEAD... sorta
Post by: Foobs on October 15, 2017, 05:13:34 am
Your own snyde remark would have more weight if it added something to the conversation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Obamacare is DEAD... sorta
Post by: Ben10,000 on October 26, 2017, 09:54:54 pm
Every time i think trump is at his worse.I get proven wrong each day.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Ricepigeon on October 30, 2017, 04:03:55 pm
So Paul Manafort and Rick Gates are now indicted for charges of laundering money to Ukraine as a result of Mueller's investigation into the Russian election hacking (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 02, 2017, 10:06:28 pm
Today, Trump signed an executive order that will eventually rewrite key ACA regulations, and potentially allow individuals to purchase short-term health insurance that don't cover the ACA mandated essential health benefits (i.e., stuff like preexisting conditions and other stuff that makes health insurance actually worthwhile) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/12/this-executive-order-is-trumps-most-significant-step-yet-to-undermine-obamacare/?utm_term=.d830f31f9613), which pretty much every expert agrees will destabilize the existing healthcare marketplaces, and see an exodus of young, healthy people who will go buy the very cheap, very skimpy health plans, leaving the existing marketplace full of sick and elderly people (who can't use those skimpy plans), which will naturally cause premiums to skyrocket. It's an idea that no one in particular seems to love (except Rand Paul, I guess), but I guess spite is a good way to govern!

But it's not all bad: this order doesn't do anything immediately, it just sets up a process by which those regulations will eventually be rewritten. So there's always a chance cooler heads could prevail, and no disastrous decisions are made. No need to panic right this second...

Except, oh wait, in an even more massive bombshell, the White House announced tonight that the government will no longer pay the cost-sharing reductions to the insurance markets that help keep the premiums affordable. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-gut-aca-insurance-rules-and-undermine-marketplaces/2017/10/11/40abf774-ae97-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_aca-execorder-1025pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.06638c37d1d9) Such a move is almost guaranteed to cause the ACA markets to implode; uncertainty about whether Trump would cancel the payments or not have already caused a big increase in premiums for 2018, and that's only the beginning. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that premiums will increase by 25% by 2020, and that the deficit will increase by $6 billion in 2018 and $21 billion by 2020.

So uh yeah, things are pretty fucked up right now.

News form the Washington Compost? Seriously? Of course they'll spin it to look bad. It'll be just fine in the long run. Hopefully government run healthcare will implode and they can give it to the open market. Like it should be. Government should never be a part of healthcare. That's socialism. Give it to the open market and watch the prices for insurance drop. More then likely this is the end game. Get back to pure Capitalism.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 02, 2017, 10:26:17 pm
So Paul Manafort and Rick Gates are now indicted for charges of laundering money to Ukraine as a result of Mueller's investigation into the Russian election hacking (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html)

Pretty sure this was an older thing related to work he did for the Democrats, and has jack all to do with Trump?

Could be wrong, I'm a bit out of touch right now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Niitris on November 03, 2017, 01:06:53 am
Hopefully government run healthcare will implode and they can give it to the open market. Like it should be. Government should never be a part of healthcare. That's socialism. Give it to the open market and watch the prices for insurance drop. More then likely this is the end game. Get back to pure Capitalism.

None of that will solve the rampant cronyism within the industry, nor would it eliminate the FDA's stranglehold over the availability of drugs. I'm not big on Obamacare either but the problems extend beyond that.

This is why Trump's promise on congressional term limits (will never happen btw) was such an appeal point.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Jmorphman on November 03, 2017, 01:19:59 am
News form the Washington Compost? Seriously? Of course they'll spin it to look bad. It'll be just fine in the long run. Hopefully government run healthcare will implode and they can give it to the open market. Like it should be. Government should never be a part of healthcare. That's socialism. Give it to the open market and watch the prices for insurance drop. More then likely this is the end game. Get back to pure Capitalism.
LOL, would you prefer a link from the New York SLIMES? Or maybe the Chicago TRASHBUNE? Or the uh... Des Moines RAGISTER? ok i'm done

anyways, every other first world nation in the world has better health care than the US, and all of them (not just the ones with single payer like Canada or Britain) have the government involved to a large degree. Health care just doesn't work in a free market. We already had an open market for health care before the ACA was enacted, and guess what: millions of people were simply unable to get any kind of health insurance before the ACA, and now they can. The ACA is obviously an imperfect solution (and indeed, many of the people behind it hoped that it would be a stepping stone towards moving to a more European-style health care system), but it was written under the assumption that, as had happened in the years past with every other huge piece of legislation, the two parties would be able to come together and compromise later on to fix any problems it might have. Of course, that never ended up happening...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Foobs on November 03, 2017, 01:59:12 am
Obamacare at least succeeded in convincing people America needs single payer.

Problem is the democratic party is in complete shambles and republicans think socialized healthcare is the devil, so a single payer healthcare system is as much of pipe dream as as it has ever been.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 03, 2017, 02:03:45 am
Call me crazy but I think 'full capitalism' is better than the ACA... and single-payer is better than both.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: MAO11 on November 03, 2017, 10:20:48 am
so trump is gonna get busted because he was offered intel by russians that hillary sold uranium to them? hahahahahahaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaahahaaaahaaaa!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 03, 2017, 01:30:31 pm
LOL, would you prefer a link from the New York SLIMES? Or maybe the Chicago TRASHBUNE? Or the uh... Des Moines RAGISTER? ok i'm done
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Why would I prefer those when I don't even respect the Washington Compost? Dumb comeback.

Any of you who think single-payer is a good thing are completely ignorant. Canada has better healthcare than the US? Freaking stupid. Do you know how long it takes to get an MRI appointment there? Do you know how many people come to the US from Canada to get their surgeries and treatments? What are you guys talking about? Their ability to treat their own citizens is sub par because everything is so expensive. Since their government pays for everything the prices have sky rocketed. So there's not enough to go around. The ACA wasn't meant to do anything but open up a door for Socialism/Communism. It was supposed to fail. You guys are so blind. Obama is a Communist. A Marxist pure and simple. The ACA was made to fail during Hillary's presidency so that single-payer could be ushered in to "save the day". When in actuality it would be the way to get this country into communism. The globalist movement is trying to dominate this country and ignorant people like you guys are helping it along. The government has no business in healthcare. Giving it to the free market will fix way more then any other solution at this point. You'll always have sorry individuals making money the wrong way. But it's better then giving complete control of something like healthcare to the government. Wake up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Do not even ask on November 03, 2017, 02:09:10 pm
wake up sheeple to the reptilian jew conspiracy to turn our frogs gay with vitamin water and starbucks pumpkin spice lattes

gay frogs will then give george soros enough money to outlaw video games worldwide which will turn everyone into a cultural marxist #gamergate #askquestions #obamasfemacamps
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 03, 2017, 02:21:53 pm
wake up sheeple to the reptilian jew conspiracy to turn our frogs gay with vitamin water and starbucks pumpkin spice lattes

gay frogs will then give george soros enough money to outlaw video games worldwide which will turn everyone into a cultural marxist #gamergate #askquestions #obamasfemacamps

You're one of them aren't you?! You're sig says it all.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Niitris on November 03, 2017, 02:35:38 pm
Corporatism is the real problem, socialism is just the buzzword used to detract the Dems.

Even right-leaning websites acknowledge that the government should have some involvement in healthcare (non-rich elders, sudden emergencies). And Obamacare did get right the notion of healthcare for kids, up to age 26 is kinda lol though.

It'll never happen here in the duopoly here because:
The Dems (some knowingly) say that more regulations will help, but only makes life harder for small business and citizens.
The Repubs give no shits about poor people and between the free-market lines are "we'll sellout to big corporations and fuck over small business and citizens."

Neither of which will mention lobbyists pocketing millions of dollars while people are denied access to care/medicine that's more accessible in other countries.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 03, 2017, 03:54:54 pm
There was already healthcare for kids before Obamacare. What are you talking about? Obamacare didn't do anything for the kids. Ever heard of CHIP? Been around for years long before the ACA. Free healthcare for all kids. All you have to do is sign them up. All Obama did was allow kids to become leeches until they're 26. So stupid. Get a job and get your own insurance.

Any right leaning website supporting socialism is garbage. More then likely they're becoming more left leaning as time goes on. You can't be on the right and support socialism. That's like saying your a Jewish Nazi.

Republicans do care about the poor. That's why they push for less welfare and government aid. People need to get off their butts and get a job. Too many people abuse handouts. It only weakens them. Physically and mentally handicapped, elderly, and disabled vets should be some of the only ones getting welfare. Everybody else should be working. Dems don't give a crap about the poor. Giving them more welfare and more "help" only keeps them under slavery for more votes and more power. The Dems used slaves for work back in the 1800's and now they use them for votes.

I'm not Republican but if I have to choose a side I'm on theirs. No neither side will admit anything about lobbyists making buttloads of money on the side. But Trump does. So I back him.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Niitris on November 03, 2017, 05:02:13 pm
I never said they supported socialism, only that they say government should have involvement with the groups you just mentioned.

lol the establishment GOP (tons of them around) is littered with people ready to bailout big business when necessary, and loosen regulations to make it easier for the rich few. Yeah they totally care about ill people in some small rural town. Less restrictions is the direction they should go idealistically, but they're not doing it with good intentions. All a freer market will do is let the establishment run wild, and I refuse to choose a side on this shitshow.

It's not a capitalism/socialism issue, it's an issue of corruption within the industry and I wish there was a realistic answer to stop it. Trump banned administration officials from lobbying for 5 years which is an effort at least, but Obama made 'efforts' too. It's gonna take far more than that to stop the billions being wasted in taxpayer money.

edit: I will say that the Republicans are the more friendly party (regardless of intent) to those who make a decent living or amount of money, since their base makes lower taxes a priority. They have that going for them at least.
VV
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 03, 2017, 05:14:52 pm
I know you didn't say they support socialism. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. What I was saying was by supporting the government being involved in healthcare they are supporting socialism. Healthcare has been used to invoke socialism into a country time and time again. Because it caters to the leeches who don't want to make their own way. And how is the GOP all about big business when their upcoming tax cuts will cater to the middle class and small businesses? Of course big businesses will always be more important, they bring in more jobs and more progression in whatever field they do business in. But you can't say the GOP doesn't care about the little guy. Their tax plan says differently.

And I'm sorry if you're poor, but only you can get yourself out. My whole family was poor for generations. Now we range from mostly middle to upper class. We still got some members of the family that are still poor but there's only so much we can do to help them. They have to help themselves. And it's funny because they vote Democrat every time. Go figure. It's takes generations to make a rich family. Unless your really lucky and strike oil or sell drugs or participate in some kind of unlawful act. So get out there and work hard. You might not reap the benefits but your children will. That's pretty much how rich people got rich. They worked hard over several generations. Not all of them but the majority of them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 03, 2017, 05:19:56 pm
Why would I prefer those when I don't even respect the Washington Compost? Dumb comeback.

Any of you who think single-payer is a good thing are completely ignorant. Canada has better healthcare than the US? Freaking stupid. Do you know how long it takes to get an MRI appointment there? Do you know how many people come to the US from Canada to get their surgeries and treatments? What are you guys talking about? Their ability to treat their own citizens is sub par because everything is so expensive. Since their government pays for everything the prices have sky rocketed. So there's not enough to go around. The ACA wasn't meant to do anything but open up a door for Socialism/Communism. It was supposed to fail. You guys are so blind. Obama is a Communist. A Marxist pure and simple. The ACA was made to fail during Hillary's presidency so that single-payer could be ushered in to "save the day". When in actuality it would be the way to get this country into communism. The globalist movement is trying to dominate this country and ignorant people like you guys are helping it along. The government has no business in healthcare. Giving it to the free market will fix way more then any other solution at this point. You'll always have sorry individuals making money the wrong way. But it's better then giving complete control of something like healthcare to the government. Wake up.

Healthcare in the US is so poor that people literally die because they are too poor to seek treatment. Wake up. Stop shouting about communism and recognize that saving people's lives and removing a lot of the fear from death and injury has nothing to do with fucking abolishing the right to private property.

If you're against single-payer, you're supporting the system that has killed people I care deeply about and I have nothing but scorn for you.

I'm Canadian. Canada has immeasurably better healthcare than the US. You literally have no idea what the fuck you're talking about when you start going on about prices skyrocketing. That couldn't be more false. Stick to subjects you have the first fucking idea about.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 03, 2017, 05:48:39 pm
If you can't afford healthcare for yourself then it's your own fault. Try harder. You're Canadian yet you're talking about things happening in the US and then you tell me not to talk about stuff I don't know about that's happening in Canada? That's complete hypocrisy. And somebody dying in the USA because they didn't have healthcare is complete crap. I didn't have insurance for years. Yet I could go to the emergency room whenever and get treatment. I have several family members that had cancer treatments and open heart surgeries who never had health insurance at all and still don't. So if you know somebody that died because they didn't have health insurance and couldn't get treatment for whatever then they're complete idiots or you're a liar. The law says doctors have to treat you. I know because I come from a very poor Hispanic family and nobody ever died because they didn't have health insurance. That's completely fake. So curse at yourself not me.

Socialism/Communism can have everything to do with healthcare. It's the back door into any country.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 03, 2017, 07:32:29 pm
I haven't seen such pure uninformed hateful bullshit in a very long time. You deserve to suffer for wishing this much suffering on others.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 03, 2017, 08:49:29 pm
LOL

Suffering? Hateful?

I don't wish suffering on any one. And I don't hate anyone snowflake. People are so stupid sometimes. Does everybody here actually think that nobody was able to go to the doctor in the US or get treatment for serious injuries or illnesses without health insurance before Obummercare came along? Seriously? How old are you guys? We don't need government healthcare. It does nothing for anybody. I know several people including my mother in law who has Obamacare and they all hate it. My brother refuses to use it. Its expensive and very limited and takes a lot of time to get things going for lets say for instance prostate cancer. I work with an older guy who has prostate cancer and it took almost a year for him to see a specialist. Then it took another 3 or so months to actually start the treatments. He's had cancer this whole time while he waited for his paperwork to go through. Without Obamacare he could have already started treatments since his case was so severe. We have laws to help the "less fortunate" when it comes to medical treatments. That's all we need. What more do you want. Free everything? Obamacare is why my insurance rates went up from $60 a week to $120 a week in that last 4 years. And for what? To give people free healthcare that they don't like? I run into lots of people who have never even used their Obamacare and support it 100%. Just wait till they actually need it.

Ok I'm done here. I won't be able to change anybody's minds so I'll just leave it to Trump and pray he get's what he wants done completed. You can thank me later. I'll jump on board when the next topic comes along. Like let's say for instance Trump calling on the death penalty for that radical Islamic terrorist scumbag that mowed down those people in NY.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 03, 2017, 10:16:04 pm
>Obummercare

how are these people real
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Ben10,000 on November 03, 2017, 10:33:52 pm
>Obummercare

how are these people real
I don't believe you are going to get threw to this person at all.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Do not even ask on November 04, 2017, 12:06:29 am
All Obama did was allow kids to become leeches until they're 26. So stupid. Get a job and get your own insurance.
If you can't afford healthcare for yourself then it's your own fault. Try harder.

hoofa doofa those are some bad takes. really really bad takes
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 04, 2017, 01:50:08 am
Only to a leech.

C'mon let's talk about the Muslim that killed those people in NY. Any thought on that. Do we need stricter vetting procedures? Were the Dems wrong for pushing for the inclusion bill that got this guy into the USA?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Person Man on November 04, 2017, 02:21:11 am
I think Snakebyte is actually right here;  This guy isn't real.  No actual human talks like that unless they're fishing for a reaction.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Foobs on November 04, 2017, 02:39:25 am
Only to a leech.

C'mon let's talk about the Muslim that killed those people in NY. Any thought on that. Do we need stricter vetting procedures? Were the Dems wrong for pushing for the inclusion bill that got this guy into the USA?
The guy came into the country 2010 and had no ties to any known terrorist groups at the time, ISIS had no presence in Syria yet, let alone Uzbekistan.

A stricter vetting process wouldn't have done anything in this case because he simply wasn't a terrorist when he came into America, he's a home grown terrorist.

But yes the visa lottery is, on principle alone, stupid as fuck.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 04, 2017, 02:51:32 am
I think Snakebyte is actually right here;  This guy isn't real.  No actual human talks like that unless they're fishing for a reaction.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Gonna be honest, Person Man saying I'm right about something has thrown me more than this actual guy did.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Byakko on November 04, 2017, 03:17:43 am
C'mon let's talk about the Muslim that killed those people in NY.
Obvious troll is obvious.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Jmorphman on November 04, 2017, 03:24:58 am
Why would I prefer those when I don't even respect the Washington Compost?
it's a joke, you dork

C'mon let's talk about the Muslim that killed those people in NY.
Sorry, that's offtopic.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Melcore on November 04, 2017, 06:01:07 am
I think Snakebyte is actually right here;  This guy isn't real.  No actual human talks like that unless they're fishing for a reaction.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Gonna be honest, Person Man saying I'm right about something has thrown me more than this actual guy did.

yeah out of this whole ordeal, I never once expected that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 04, 2017, 07:27:59 pm
No troll here. I truly believe everything I have stated. Always have and always will. U guys are so brainwashed. Liberalism really is a disease. If facts won't help u then I don't know what will. Enjoy the next 2 or maybe 3 elections. Conservatism is back to stay for a while.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 05, 2017, 06:37:47 pm
Go sit in the corner, VGames... While you're at it, here's a dunce cap. Enjoy it... it's a sign that you are a big time fool that is going to see reality giving this form of Conservatism the back hand it truly needs.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 05, 2017, 07:23:30 pm
Did u get that from the same polls that said Hillary was gonna win by a landslide?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 05, 2017, 08:13:58 pm
I'm gonna tell you a secret, VGames.

Opposing a side that is completely wrong... does not make you right.

Your brand of poisonous horseshit doesn't magically stop being poisonous horseshit just because it's opposed to a different kind of poisonous horseshit.

Hillary's campaign was cancer. Congrats. That's a non-sequitur. You're still cancer too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 05:29:48 am
U know if your weren't Canadian I might actually care what u think. But I don't. You're a part of the weakest country in the world where peolple can marry their dogs and Muslim terrorists are being allowed in by the droves. Where your countries leader's only achievements are a background in liberal arts theater and a job as a ski instructor. His lousy father did nothing more then destroy all accounts of Scottish history in your country to see to it that French history would be all that remains. Pathetic.

U guys are as brainless as the liberal Hollywood "elite". U act like u care about others but u don't. U act like u want free healthcare for all but really u want free crap for yourselves. Nothing is free. And if the government pays for it all it will suck. It will never be great. Read a book. Read some history. Socialism never works. It killed more people then Hitler. It doesn't work.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: GTOAkira on November 06, 2017, 05:48:15 am
Man what did canada ever did to you lmao
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 05:53:46 am
What u should be asking is if what I said was true. Canada is a globalist cesspool. It's a pathetic country with a feminist man boy prime minister. I pray their next leader is a real man. What did thy do to me? They're helping to reinforce the globalist movement right above my country.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 06, 2017, 05:56:39 am

It's Mania season already I see
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: lui on November 06, 2017, 06:05:34 am
*EDGY POLITICS*

Im not really into politics much but shit dude even I know when someone is trying way too hard to push their agenda on people. Like seriously dude I've seen deviantart super Saiyan 5 God form shadow the hedgehog oc's made by 12 year olds that are more tame than you are. Youre just screeching like a conspiracy theorist at this point.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 06:26:25 am
Conspiracy? More like facts dude. Everything I have said can be backed by 100% facts. Wake up and learn for yourself. Unless you're just another sheep. If that's the case I'll pray for u too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2017, 07:14:49 am
vgames, as someone that also has a general disdain for turbo liberals: you're not helping
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: MAO11 on November 06, 2017, 10:34:14 am
What u should be asking is if what I said was true. Canada is a globalist cesspool. It's a pathetic country with a feminist man boy prime minister. I pray their next leader is a real man. What did thy do to me? They're helping to reinforce the globalist movement right above my country.

hey nobody talks shit about fidel castro's son like that!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Byakko on November 06, 2017, 11:07:29 am
Forget this freak and let's talk about Trump trying really hard to push away the question of gun control after the Texas Church shooting. Again.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Helios. on November 06, 2017, 11:27:53 am
Simple solution:  Shoot Trump.

As soon as it becomes his problem he'll give a shit.  Anything less than that will have people killing each other in the streets with their beloved guns.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Snakebyte on November 06, 2017, 01:42:00 pm
U know if your weren't Canadian I might actually care what u think.

Racist on top of everything else. Hopy shit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: -Ash- on November 06, 2017, 02:09:02 pm
Wouldn't xenophobe be more accurate? Since when are Canadians a race!?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: -Whiplash- on November 06, 2017, 02:29:54 pm
The law says doctors have to treat you.
If they have to treat you doesn't that mean the government is involved in healthcare? They just dont pay for it. Even then you know you have to pay them, right? Most declarations of bankruptcy (over half of all personal bankruptcies) in the US are caused by medical bills, you know that, right?

Obamacare is why my insurance rates went up from $60 a week to $120 a week in that last 4 years.

60 bucks A WEEK? Holy fucking shit that's about a 3rd of what I make, how the fuck do you think that's affordable when you include rent, electricity, food, etc?

His lousy father did nothing more then destroy all accounts of Scottish history in your country to see to it that French history would be all that remains. Pathetic.
I gotta say.. Pierre trudeau did a shit job of erasing all Scottish history in canada, considering my province, Nova Scotia (AKA NEW SCOTLAND) has tons of people marching around in kilts every holiday and my school has one of many bagpipe bands, with Every university here has a degree in Celtic studies and even most high schools have a class. That is pathetic, its almost like he didn't do that at all and you're talking out of your ass.

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Socialism never works. It killed more people then Hitler. It doesn't work.
I could mention how despite "never working" every 1st world nation on the planet has socialized healthcare except the US. (Just one of many "everyone but the US" list). Instead, I'll just say IDK, Nazis were called the National SOCIALIST workers party, check and mate, socialists.

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Everything I have said can be backed by 100% facts.
No it cant, fuck off.

But then again what do I know, I'm an omega cuck Canadian who lives under the despotic rule of an ineffectual do nothing prime minister, who never accomplished anything prior to being prime minister, unlike daddy Trump, whose had the very important accomplishment of being born rich, declaring bankruptcy multiple times and being a reality TV host.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 03:29:28 pm
Another Canadian talking about Merica.

Yeah the government pays for law enforced medical bills but it's on a much smaller level then what the ACA makes us pay for. At least it was since Obamacare has taken that completely over.

$60 a week is a third of what you make? You know you're not supposed to work at McDonald's your whole life. Do better for yourself.

I'm talking about all of Canada not just "New Scotland". Canada was rich with Scottish history throughout. Now it's been reduced to your "New Scotland". Pierre was a joke.

And the USA is still the most powerful nation on the planet even without socialist healthcare. Screw socialism. We don't need it. The Capitalist experiment is the most prosperous endeavor in the world. And yes I know what the Nazi's were. But they didn't practice Socialism like Stalin. Now that was socialism. And it killed way more people than the Nazi party did.

Actually trying to put down Trump when man boy is your president? Trump was born with millions but he alone turned it into billions. You couldn't do that with your life on the line. The average person couldn't do that. Many successful businessmen use bankruptcy as a method of "restarting" their empire. It's common practice. And he wasn't just a reality TV star. His show was #1 each and every season. The man is a winner. Always has been and always will be. And with Mike Pence at his side he's only gotten better.

And just saying what I said can't be backed by facts is not good enough. You're supposed to prove it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 03:35:19 pm
Forget this freak and let's talk about Trump trying really hard to push away the question of gun control after the Texas Church shooting. Again.

You can't talk about that here remember. It's off topic like when I was trying to bring up the Muslim Islamic terrorist that ran over all those people in New York. Jmorphmans words not mine.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Byakko on November 06, 2017, 03:39:30 pm
Talking about Trump in a Trump topic is off topic ?
Fuck off, freak.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2017, 03:50:38 pm
You can't talk about that here remember. It's off topic like when I was trying to bring up the Muslim Islamic terrorist that ran over all those people in New York. Jmorphmans words not mine.
do you know what the fucking title of the thread is
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: -Whiplash- on November 06, 2017, 04:19:27 pm
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Another Canadian talking about Merica.
Well, you keep talking about how "terrible" Canada is so I figure it's only fair.

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I'm talking about all of Canada not just "New Scotland". Canada was rich with Scottish history throughout. Now it's been reduced to your "New Scotland". Pierre was a joke.

I can't actually talk about this since I only really have experience here in NS, so I'll take your word for it as an American.

$60 a week is a third of what you make? You know you're not supposed to work at McDonald's your whole life. Do better for yourself.

I don't work at McDonalds, but I do work part time as I'm currently in university, but regardless of that what you've effectively said here is people who do work at McDonalds don't deserve to have health care.

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Actually trying to put down Trump when man boy is your president? Trump was born with millions but he alone turned it into billions. You couldn't do that with your life on the line. The average person couldn't do that. Many successful businessmen use bankruptcy as a method of "restarting" their empire. It's common practice. And he wasn't just a reality TV star. His show was #1 each and every season. The man is a winner. Always has been and always will be.

I was just stating facts. Being #1 on TV does not make you a good candidate to be president, doing shitty at business to the point where a "restart" is the best option does not make you a good candidate to be president. Just like being a ski instructor does not make you a good candidate to be Prime Minister.

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And with Mike Pence at his side he's only gotten better.

Yeah Pence is such a great guy, so great Trump once joked about him wanting to hang all gays.

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And just saying what I said can't be backed by facts is not good enough. You're supposed to prove it.
But saying "everything I said is 100% true" is?

I noticed you completely ignored my statement about more than 50% of all personal bankruptcies being cause by medical bills, I guess I should add that over 70% of people who went bankrupt due to medical bills actually had insurance, but I guess they all deserved it right?

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Forget this freak and let's talk about Trump trying really hard to push away the question of gun control after the Texas Church shooting. Again.

All right. There's nothing I can really say about this issue at this point. It happened, and it'll keep happening until they get stricter gun laws. (which will never happen in America.)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 06:14:12 pm
Oh you people are hilarious. I know what the name of this thread is and I was trying to start a conversation about Trump saying that the NY terrorist deserved the death penalty but Jmorphman said it was off topic. Liberals and their double standards.

Stricter gun laws will do nothing. The guy that gunned down the church was already not allowed to own a gun. He still got one. You idiots think putting more laws in place to make law abiding citizens have more trouble getting a gun is gonna help? It won't. Criminals don't care about laws remember? They're criminals. What we need are more guns in law abiding citizens hands. Look at the countries with the least crime rates. Their gun laws are so weak. In fact there's a country that demands every household own at least one gun. I don't remember the name of the country off the top of my head but it has some of the lowest crime rates in the world. If you took LA, NYC, and Chicago's crime rates, which are cities in states with some of the toughest gun laws, and played like they were a country all on their own they would rank number 1 in the world for murder and crime. The US would drop down to like 20 something in the world if those 3 cities alone didn't exist here. Psychos are gonna be psychos no matter. They don't care about laws. They'll get their guns. Stricter laws mean the good people won't be able to defend themselves as easily.

Oh and Whiplash I didn't ignore what you said. I just didn't see the relevancy. What was your point? And stop putting words in my mouth. I never said mcdonalds employees like yourself can't have health insurance. What I was saying was its a starter job for teens. Don't stay their forever. Unless of course you're going for an upper level management position.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Dumanios on November 06, 2017, 06:21:43 pm
>Don't put gun laws because criminals will break laws anyway.

Okay.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: -Whiplash- on November 06, 2017, 06:36:12 pm
Oh and Whiplash I didn't ignore what you said. I just didn't see the relevancy. What was your point?

The relevancy is that clearly your healthcare system doesn't work, if it did, that many people wouldn't have gone bankrupt just trying to get health care.

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And stop putting words in my mouth. I never said mcdonalds employees like yourself can't have health insurance. What I was saying was its a starter job for teens.

You never once said that, what you did say however was:

If you can't afford healthcare for yourself then it's your own fault.

How else do I interpret this?


Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2017, 06:57:06 pm
I know what the name of this thread is and I was trying to start a conversation about Trump saying that the NY terrorist deserved the death penalty but Jmorphman said it was off topic. Liberals and their double standards.
C'mon let's talk about the Muslim that killed those people in NY. Any thought on that. Do we need stricter vetting procedures? Were the Dems wrong for pushing for the inclusion bill that got this guy into the USA?
what the fuck are you talking about dude
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: MAO11 on November 06, 2017, 07:17:29 pm
isn't it weird that they are going after trump for corroboration with the russians against hillary's backdoor deals that is more dangerous than what trump did but anyway no matter who wins the russians have already compromised the top dogs of the top parties in the us. so russia wins. guess this is payback for those sanctions.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Jmorphman on November 06, 2017, 07:19:23 pm
On the subject of medical bills and how apparently you don't need to pay them if you go to the emergency room (which is on topic, I know this is very confusing for VGames to grasp): https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/28/us/las-vegas-injured.html

Unfortunately it's from the New York SLIMES so it's obviously full of lies. And no doubt all these bills would've been taken care of before Obamacare (they wouldn't; it'd be far, far worse).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 07:45:01 pm
Libbies everywhere!

@ Dumanios - putting words in my mouth again. I said stricter gun laws won't work. I never said we don't need gun laws. We definitely do. The one's we have are good enough. Stop confusing yourself.

@ Whiplash - Dude of course medical bills bankrupt people. The medical industry is way over priced everywhere. If there were more companies involved with it, the open market, their would be enough competition to drive down prices for treatments and surgeries. I mean you can't even get a price for an MRI upfront. They always tell you they have to check your insurance before they'll know. That's like going to the grocery store to buy some bread but not being told what the price is until check out time. It is broken and needs fixing especially after the ACA was enacted. But answer me this. Why do so many people from your country come here to the US for their treatments and surgeries?

And yes if you can't afford insurance it's your fault. Get a better job. Is that easier for you to understand or are you gonna change my words again?

@ Titiln - go a little before my post about talking about the Muslim. I originally asked what people thought about Trump wanting the death penalty for the Radical Islamic Terrorist scumbag that killed those people in NYC. Again confusing yourself to meet your agenda. You and Dumanios must be close.

@ 地獄の花 - Good point. But Trump never had anything to do with the Russians. It was nothing but the Democrats.

@ Jmorphman - From the NYT - "“You know,” he said, looking at the women, “your insurance will probably not cover any of this.” Many families caught in mass attacks have found it difficult to pay for or get the care they need. Insurance companies put up fights."

What kind of insurance did she have? Was it Obamacare? Was it some cheap insurance? Was it Blue Cross Blue Shield? Crap like this is why I don't pay any attention to fake news. And by the way they did work on her even with her bad insurance. Proves my point. I never said you wouldn't be stuck with a bill. I said they have to work on you. It's the law.

You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Jmorphman on November 06, 2017, 07:58:39 pm
And by the way they did work on her even with her bad insurance. Proves my point. I never said you wouldn't be stuck with a bill. I said they have to work on you. It's the law.
That's why I thought that article would be a great example: it shows off how medical care isn't just some one time event, it's often an ongoing, expensive process. The woman profiled in that piece received medical care immediately after the shooting, but will still need medical services every day for the rest of her life. There is no law in place that ensures that she get that medical care.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Person Man on November 06, 2017, 08:01:00 pm
Wow, This guy is like a sentient Alex Jones rant.  This is the kind of stuff people make up when they’re trying to exaggerate to make fun of ignorant Trump supporters.  There is no way he is an actual, real person. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 08:44:01 pm
@ Person Man - More name calling. SMH I shoot down everything that's said and all you got is name calling. Sad.

@ Jmorphman - All that article did was get people like you riled up about free healthcare. For you all you know she may have already had Obamacare? Do you really think some other socialist health plan could do better? Where will the money come from? How will we pay for it all? Tax the 1% elite more? If we taxed them at a 100% tax rate it wouldn't be enough to pay for all of the unpaid college tuitions in this country. Do you think it would be enough to pay for everybody's medical bills? It wouldn't. There's just not enough money to go around. There never will be. We could lower the pay rates for doctors and surgeons. That might work. Until they leave and go somewhere else to work with better incentives. Like the Indians do when they leave India to come to the USA to make some real money. So where would the money come from?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: lui on November 06, 2017, 09:08:56 pm
Calling out name-calling even tho all you've been doing is calling everyone brainwashed and/or unintelligent. Yeah gg Alex Jones.

Are you gonna claim the healthcare is making everyone gay next?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Iced on November 06, 2017, 09:27:35 pm
Why is everyone arguing with a edgelord that keeps trying to force you to prove what he says isnt true? That's not how arguing works even on breitbart.

You are supposed to laugh at the idiots not debate them or elect them for governamental positions America!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 10:10:54 pm
Yeah but I do name calling and I also throw in some facts and some solutions. You guys got nothing. Still no solutions for how we'll pay for universal healthcare. Single- payer would destroy the welfare that we actually need for those that can't fend for themselves. An open market health insurance plan for those that can work and welfare for those cannot physically or mentally is the best we got. It's not perfect but nothing ever is.

Answer this:

What gun laws do we need to make sure nobody gets killed by guns anymore?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 06, 2017, 10:47:37 pm
Like absolutely nobody? Or just a reduction in deaths?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 06, 2017, 10:49:54 pm
Well, there's always the option of trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment, but good luck having any success with that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 11:02:39 pm
Repealing the second amendment would leave us vulnerable to our government. That's why it's there. To help us kill the government if it tries to take over all aspects of our lives which some of you might be ok with. So no lets not talk about that.

I mean what is the perfect law for gun control that would reduce gun deaths to the point that they would be at a rate that you would be happy? They would never go away 100%. Too many dumb people out there who would accidentally shoot themselves or some that would use them for suicide. So it will never be perfect but what is the best law possible?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 06, 2017, 11:07:25 pm
Repealing the second amendment would leave us vulnerable to our government. That's why it's there. To help us kill the government if it tries to take over all aspects of our lives which some of you might be ok with. So no lets not talk about that.
Yeah, let's not talk about how no other civilized country has that because no one else is insane enough to think like that and it's never an issue.
But hey, that argument is just another lie on the pile of pretend justifications (and another lie on the pile that is everything you said in all of your posts so far). The need to overthrow the government is not the reason you want guns. Let's not talk about that !
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 06, 2017, 11:17:46 pm
Why do I want guns then since u know so much?

Anyways removing the second amendment wouldn't make a difference. Japan has no second amendment and they're home to the yakuza which has more guns and explosives then u could imagine. Criminals will get their guns.

More solutions please.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on November 06, 2017, 11:22:06 pm
Repealing the second amendment would leave us vulnerable to our government. That's why it's there. To help us kill the government if it tries to take over all aspects of our lives which some of you might be ok with. So no lets not talk about that.

I mean what is the perfect law for gun control that would reduce gun deaths to the point that they would be at a rate that you would be happy? They would never go away 100%. Too many dumb people out there who would accidentally shoot themselves or some that would use them for suicide. So it will never be perfect but what is the best law possible?

Guys, this dude is clearly a troll. stop feeding it.

He is answering every reply with the dumbest Alex Jones, intellectually dishonest baiting comments ever. Just ignore him. No one is this stupid.

Vgames serious question,

Why are you doing this, is it really that funny to piss off a bunch of nerds on a mugen forum? What are you getting out of this? If you're that bored, go find something better to do with you're time dude. seriously.

Sincerely a guy who lives in a liberal country with strict gun control laws, no mass shootings, and healthcare for all, (and before you say, but mah taxes!, I pay on average less taxes than the average American. yay for facts!)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 06, 2017, 11:55:58 pm
Anyways removing the second amendment wouldn't make a difference. Japan has no second amendment and they're home to the yakuza which has more guns and explosives then u could imagine. Criminals will get their guns.
Wow, you're trying to compare USA gun crime rates to Japan gun crime rates and you pretend that'll go your way, okay
I know, let's ask Google
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729 said:
Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?
Maybe it was "not allowing guns" ??
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 12:05:22 am
I'm enjoying myself. That's all. Like I said I'm not a troll I believe everything I say. You probably call everybody a troll that 100% disagrees with u and the rest of your safe space companions. Sorry but that's life.

I'm not comparing japan and USA gun crimes. Again putting words in my mouth. I've learned you liberals love to do that to meet your needs. It's all in your head. What I was showing was the fact that even in countries where citizens aren't allowed to have guns at all the criminals still have guns. Try to keep up.

C'mon answer my question. What's the gun law we need in the USA to save everybody's lives from those sinister guns?

BBC huh? SMH Do u really believe there were only 6 gun deaths in japan in 1 year? Really? I guess the mob doesn't like using all those shiny guns they stockpile. So what was the number 1 killer that year in japan as far as murder goes? Maybe they should ban that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 07, 2017, 12:07:28 am
I'm enjoying myself.
"JOKE'S ON U I'M ONLY HAVING FUN"
Classic troll response, do we have a bingo grid ?
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I'm not comparing japan and USA gun crimes.
Liar.
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BBC huh? SMH Do u really believe there were only 6 gun deaths in japan in 1 year? Really?
Prove them wrong.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 12:18:25 am
Seriously what law do we need to stop gun crime? U can't answer that can u? None of u can. Because unless we get rid of guns all together none of u will be happy. U guys aren't doing anything here but enjoying your little echo chamber.

None of u answered my question about how the USA can get the money to provide universal healthcare for the rest of our lives. And none of u came up with a gun law that fixes gun crime. Liberals never have a solution to the problem. Just a lot complaining.

My solutions:

Give healthcare to the open market to help stabilize this flawed system using it's competitive market to drive down medical and insurance costs and to help keep welfare/Medicaid around for those that actually need it.

Give more people the ability to own firearms and conceal them by removing tough gun regulations to reduce mass shootings and gun crimes. We need background checks and mental stability checks to ensure the gun buyer is of sound mind and not violent or has a criminal history. I've noticed a lot of these mass shootings occur where people generally don't expect people to have guns. Like churches. When that gunman in tx was approached by a church goer that went to their vehicle to get their gun he dropped his gun and ran. I bet if he had went into that church as was met with multiple people brandishing a weapon he would turned around and left. Maybe not but more then likely yes.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 07, 2017, 12:29:49 am
Seriously what law do we need to stop gun crime? U can't answer that can u? None of u can.
Liar. Everybody gave you an answer. You're just pretending it didn't happen because you don't like it. Not a single thing you say is true, plus you completely avoided giving any answer yourself to our questions, again pretending it didn't happen.
(which, coincidentally, is also another typical troll tactic on the bingo board)

By the way, you're very largely off topic.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 12:38:38 am
I'm just responding to what u guys are talking about. We're all off topic. And I didn't see any questions for me. And what was your solution? Take away all the guns?

U know if u guys didn't approach me like I'm some troublemaking troll u wouldn't get so angry with my statements. I'm really just trying to have a good debate. Ive never had so many liberals come at me.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Jmorphman on November 07, 2017, 12:39:29 am
@ Jmorphman - All that article did was get people like you riled up about free healthcare. For you all you know she may have already had Obamacare? Do you really think some other socialist health plan could do better? Where will the money come from? How will we pay for it all? Tax the 1% elite more? If we taxed them at a 100% tax rate it wouldn't be enough to pay for all of the unpaid college tuitions in this country. Do you think it would be enough to pay for everybody's medical bills? It wouldn't. There's just not enough money to go around. There never will be. We could lower the pay rates for doctors and surgeons. That might work. Until they leave and go somewhere else to work with better incentives. Like the Indians do when they leave India to come to the USA to make some real money. So where would the money come from?
Ah, OK. It should've already been clear to me before, but now you've made it really clear. You're not really interesting in having a debate about any of this, you just want to keep shouting the same tired, poorly-supported arguments you've been slinging for pages and pages before.

I am curious though, about that first sentence. You seem to dismiss entirely the problems the survivor of a horrific mass shooting is going through; it's all a zero-sum game to you. It doesn't help support your point so it's bullshit, or it's Obamacare's fault, or whatever. For someone who keeps talking about how they'll pray for people, you don't seem to be particularly caring when it counts.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 07, 2017, 12:46:17 am
And I didn't see any questions for me.
You pretended to laugh at the notion that Japan only had 6 gun deaths in 2016. Prove it wrong.
You pretended that Japan not having the second amendment made no difference, and yet there have been only 6 gun deaths in 2016 in Japan. Explain.
(oh, by the way, Japan does have firearms permits, it's just very strictly regulated to the point that it's comparable to not being allowed at all, so you lied again)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 12:56:53 am
More of the same from u. Trying to make me look like something I'm not but this time instead of putting words in my mouth you're pointing out things I didn't say.

We weren't talking about the sad part of that ladies story. We were on the subject of healthcare. That's why I zeroed in on that. Of course i feel for her. That's terrible. And I know some of u lost some family and friends at the shooting too. That's horrible too.

And about the gun crime in japan. That's very interesting but it wasn't a question. Just saying. I've looked into that and find it surprising. But their must be more to it. I mean using common sense would tell u that the mob has to kill more people with guns then they're letting on. I mean it's the mob. They have guns. They would use them wouldn't u think? This kind of reminds me of when I think it was Iran who claimed not to have any homosexuals in their country and it turned out they did but they were executing them. I'll keep looking into this. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: lui on November 07, 2017, 01:00:49 am
More of the same from u. Trying to make me look like something I'm not but this time instead of putting words in my mouth you're pointing out things I didn't say.

not really? people are either paraphrasing things you say or are literally directly quoting you like whiplash yet you try to play it off as "putting words in your mouth". the stupid shit you say comes from you, not them, they're just either relaying it in a simplified manner or literally just directly quoting you, you look like an idiot trying to tell us that we're making things up when you're too blind to see your own bullshit AND you're trying to play off other political subjects as "not relevant" even tho the entire thread is about politics in general that mostly highlight's trumps stupidity (imo) as a headline.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 07, 2017, 01:01:31 am
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That's very interesting but it wasn't a question. Just saying.
Yeah, keep telling yourself it makes a difference and it makes it okay to dodge points you don't like.
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But their must be more to it. I mean using common sense would tell u that the mob has to kill more people with guns then they're letting on. I mean it's the mob. They have guns. They would use them wouldn't u think?
No, it's really just you who doesn't understand it. Funnily enough the article I linked to also talks about that. I took 5 seconds to Google it and it addresses everything you're talking about.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 01:10:22 am
What do u mean play off other political subjects as not relevant? You're making no sense. I've discussed everything brought up. He's trying to make me look heartless. Plain and simple.

And no there's more to it. It's not just about taking away guns. There are other countries that don't allow guns at all except for recreational or hunting purposes and they have more gun crimes then japan.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Byakko on November 07, 2017, 01:14:23 am
And yet less than the US !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate (sort by "total")
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort charged with money laundering
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 07, 2017, 03:25:05 am
Wouldn't xenophobe be more accurate? Since when are Canadians a race!?

they are a different race, even their mouths are different! have you not watched southpark ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: -Ash- on November 07, 2017, 03:35:34 am
have you not watched southpark ?

No.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Snakebyte on November 07, 2017, 03:40:55 am
Wow, This guy is like a sentient Alex Jones rant.  This is the kind of stuff people make up when they’re trying to exaggerate to make fun of ignorant Trump supporters.  There is no way he is an actual, real person. 

I agree, I really didn't think people like this existed in real life.

You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot.

Pro tip if you come into a politics thread full of disagreement between a whole bunch of people with a many different sets of opinions and, after a couple of pages of posting, they're all uniting against you... maybe your opinions are... just... that... bad...?

Inb4 HHHHSAFESPACEHHHHHHSNOWFKAKEHHHHLIBS

I am like... such an extreme masochist for reasoned debate. I have gone to ridiculous lengths to engage people honestly. Way earlier in this thread with Byakko is probably the best example of it here. If I think there is some way to have a reasonable discussion I'll sit through a ton of abuse until it actually happens, because this kind of thing is important.

This guy?

This guy's not worth it.

He's here to shout slogans and insults and not actually listen to anything anyone else says and be the very definition of a closed-minded tribalistic idiot who wouldn't know an independent thought if it took his guns away.

Don't waste your time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 02:44:03 pm
Oh come on I've been doing more then that.

Ok so I've looked into this Japan thing you guys stumped me with and I can honestly say that I got nothing. Japan is a pretty safe place to live as far as guns go. But on the other hand according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

China, another very strict gun law country, had 10083 homicides in the same year Japan had 395. And China has a murder rate of 0.03 to Japan's 0.06 when it comes to firearm related deaths. So are guns really the issue? I think it's more like the people are the issue. I'm not saying the USA doesn't have a problem with murder when compared to these 2 countries. In no way are we doing better. Like I said take away the murder rates of LA, NYC, and Chicago and the US drops significantly low on the totem pole of homicide. There's a huge issue in those major cities. I think it's the people and a culture of violence ( gangs for example) that drives our murder rates. Switzerland is a huge gun loving country and they're way down below us when it comes to gun related deaths and homicides in general. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: MAO11 on November 07, 2017, 04:28:36 pm
it's a culture thing look at switzerland they basically have a law that it's citizen should know how to use a firearm but their gun related violence is pretty low and majority of this are suicide ,

that's why stricter gun laws should be implemented in the usa ,  again stricter doesn't mean the government will make it hard for people to own a gun but there should be procedure to be followed before one can legally own one and buy one. i'm a gun owner myself i have 4 pistols and 2 rifles. 

there should be a standard gun law that would prevent over the counter purchase , your standard back ground check , the buyer should have proper training , there should be a tier class level of licenses on what type of weapon you could own, like tier 1 should be pistols , tier 2 shotgun and rifles , etc. and before owning one you must be subjected to train how to handle one , and of course ANNUAL mandatory psychological test.

and i do believe that if a person has any crime history or violent out burst they should not own a gun, and this is just me it's my opinion but owning assault rifles is stupid, this is coming from a bolt guy btw. yeah learn to aim before spraying your bullets all over the place. this way if you're a responsible gun owner it won't even matter if there's a stricter gun law , the only one who are against it are the ones who are irresponsible.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 05:12:50 pm
I can back this completely except for the assault rifle part. I see no difference in them. Their are semi auto shotguns with big mags. There are handguns with drums. An assault rifle doesn't make you any deadlier then a guy with a glock and lots of mags. It's been done before at a military base several years ago. Highest body count at that point in time. But I can agree with you on a lot of this. We do however already have background checks and mental stability checks not to mention laws that prohibit felons or violent people from ever owning a gun. They still get them of course. So maybe a few more laws that would enforce the tier system you proposed might help but at this point guns won't go away here in the US. And more restrictions like you suggested would  just make it harder for good people to own a gun to defend themselves.

Still very good points. Thank you.

By the way where do you live if you don't mind sharing?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Melcore on November 07, 2017, 06:41:32 pm
it's a culture thing look at switzerland they basically have a law that it's citizen should know how to use a firearm but their gun related violence is pretty low and majority of this are suicide ,

that's why stricter gun laws should be implemented in the usa ,  again stricter doesn't mean the government will make it hard for people to own a gun but there should be procedure to be followed before one can legally own one and buy one. i'm a gun owner myself i have 4 pistols and 2 rifles. 

there should be a standard gun law that would prevent over the counter purchase , your standard back ground check , the buyer should have proper training , there should be a tier class level of licenses on what type of weapon you could own, like tier 1 should be pistols , tier 2 shotgun and rifles , etc. and before owning one you must be subjected to train how to handle one , and of course ANNUAL mandatory psychological test.

and i do believe that if a person has any crime history or violent out burst they should not own a gun, and this is just me it's my opinion but owning assault rifles is stupid, this is coming from a bolt guy btw. yeah learn to aim before spraying your bullets all over the place. this way if you're a responsible gun owner it won't even matter if there's a stricter gun law , the only one who are against it are the ones who are irresponsible.

all of this sounds extemely  reasonable.
I especially agree with the mandatory training/classes because not everyone has a mother or father that can teach them how to use one safely.

however, the only thing that ever has bothered me about mental evals is that what constitutes mental illness?
I mean, i feel like we all would kinda know crazy when we see it but how can you put that on paper?
on top of that the idea of what is considered by experts "crazy" can be subject to change or open up wider... it could be ruled that Muslims in this country are considered mentally ill because of the association to terror attacks or anyone with a disabled person or elderly person in their household are no longer able to own a weapon because they might get ahold of it and cause problems.
not saying that this is happening but its open to the possibility of being abused.
just to state one last thing on this because people love to take shit out of context, im not saying that there should not be background checks or mental evaluations, just voicing concern on how the government could use laws to bully people around because they do it with other laws.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 07:08:52 pm
This is a very good point. They could easily say something like your mental capacity to own a gun is just not there anymore because you're 75 years old. This is so not true 100% of the time.

And I completely forgot that Trump had removed the mental health checks earlier this year. So my mistake saying we still had them. But from what I read the reason for removing this was to clear up what was mentioned above. The bill could easily be used to keep people who were "mentally unstable" from owning guns when they were perfectly ok to have one. Like elderly people.

I'm all for mental checks but it does need a thorough look over before we just start taking away people's rights who are perfectly capable of owning a gun. Maybe training like Melcore agreed with would be a good fix. But would we have to pay for these classes since it's a right to own a gun?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Melcore on November 07, 2017, 07:53:34 pm
you have to pay for a car and getting a licence to drive said car along with insurance that you pay monthly for so it would not surprise me if we had to pay for it.
all i ask for is that its not too expensive or outrageous.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 07, 2017, 09:41:18 pm
That's the thing though. Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right. You're kind of hindering people from their right to have a gun if you require a permit to have a gun in their own house that they have to pay for.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Melcore on November 07, 2017, 10:04:23 pm
you know what you are right about that, its a right.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Snakebyte on November 07, 2017, 11:35:31 pm
That's the thing though. Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right. You're kind of hindering people from their right to have a gun if you require a permit to have a gun in their own house that they have to pay for.

For what it's worth, you're entirely correct. While I am very very strongly for gun control (and no, I don't care to get into arguing why with you), in America, it is a right. You can't have gun control in America. Period. It would be a violation of your rights. To have gun control in America, you would have to change what rights people have. If you can change what rights people have, you open yourselves up to much, much worse human rights abuses.

I don't think owning a gun should be a right, but I don't think eroding the protection of all the other things that should be rights should happen under any circumstances.

The U.S. is just fucked. If you don't want to live around guns, live in a different country.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 08, 2017, 03:19:41 pm
I completely agree. If you don't like guns then don't live here. Guns will never go away in America. But we're not entirely screwed like you said. Remember Switzerland, fourth place in the world for having the most guns, has far less gun violence and homicides in general when compared to the US. The problem isn't guns it's the culture. Gang mentality and too much overdosing of the anti depressants. With America I feel the answer isn't to take guns away to reduce the homicide rate, which it would because killing someone with a gun is much easier mentally then using a melee weapon, because thugs will get their guns anyways. Putting more guns into good citizens hands and getting them proper gun safety and good practice with them is the answer. This isn't Japan or any other gun barring country, it's America. We have a right to a gun and it's never gonna change. So we have to go at the problem differently.

And I think we need to start in those 3 cities I've been mentioning. We need to get those sorry old Democratic congressman that run those states into the ground and keep getting elected by their brainwashed poverty stricken citizens over and over again out of office and get some people in there that can help do away with that thug life sub-culture that blacks, and Hispanics, and even whites tend to cling too. I don't even care if they're Democrats, we just need somebody in there that isn't gonna continue to line their pockets off the blood of people living in their ghettos that they helped to create intentionally. And crazy as this may sound but we need to get the police and the Feds to work with gangs that actually want to clean up their cities to help weed out the ones that want to destroy it. The decent Chicago gang members have already started to work with churches to help clean up neighborhoods without the use of violence. And earlier this year Chicago gangs reached out to Trump and said that they want to work with him to clean up their streets. I'm not sure if this went anywhere but it needs too. And if it already has then great.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: MAO11 on November 08, 2017, 03:58:57 pm
yes, teaching people about proper handling and keeping. if you want to own a gun you should be prepare for responsibility of owning a gun. 
there are alot of cases that the offender isn't the owner of the gun but some dumb ass can't lock their guns. there should be a punishable offense for this kind of irresponsible behavior. the NRA and the gov't should be more vocal about the responsibility of gun owners and punishment if they don't comply. it's better than arguing with people who are against guns.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 08, 2017, 04:08:53 pm
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yes, teaching people about proper handling and keeping. if you want to own a gun you should be prepare for responsibility of owning a gun. 
there are alot of cases that the offender isn't the owner of the gun but some dumb ass can't lock their guns. there should be a punishable offense for this kind of irresponsible behavior. the NRA and the gov't should be more vocal about the responsibility of gun owners and punishment if they don't comply. it's better than arguing with people who are against guns.

Absolutely right on the mark. Ignore the gun haters because they'll never be satisfied until all guns are gone which will never happen. And instead focus on the gun owners or potential gun owners and help them to be more efficient and more careful with their weapons. And crack down hard on gun brokers who aren't using the background checks like they should. That tx church shooter should have never been able to buy a gun from a shop. They need to thoroughly look over why the government failed to flag this guy and stop him from owning guns.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Melcore on November 08, 2017, 04:50:06 pm
he was able too because the base he was living on did not file the domestic violence case that he had.
as far as the records go at least.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 08, 2017, 05:25:59 pm
Yeah I saw something about the Air Force being involved with the problem. Somebody's gonna hang for that one. I'd hate to be that guy.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: KarsOnMars on November 09, 2017, 01:32:37 am
I'm surprised he only got a bad conduct discharge after sending death threats to his superiors.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Snakebyte on November 09, 2017, 02:22:18 am
VGames, I just wanna say that you should be aware this is a very international forum. You're talking to a lot of people like they're Americans and they're dumb for being anti-gun, but I don't think that many people here are. A lot of the anti-gun opinions you're getting are from people who live in historically anti-gun countries.

Not going into it any deeper than that, just you may want to filter your expectations through that a bit, I think it's part of why you weren't being taken seriously.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 09, 2017, 04:05:42 am
@Ricepigeon: What the fuck is wrong with you?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 09, 2017, 04:08:40 am
@Ricepigeon: What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm sorry, did I miss something?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 09, 2017, 04:10:28 am
You edited your thread title to what it currently is right now.


Not only does this have nothing to do with Donald Trump (who I'm all for making fun of), you're using a national tragedy to push your own opinion. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Sean Altly on November 09, 2017, 07:17:00 am
The whole "what the fuck is wrong with you" thing seems like an overreaction
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Snakebyte on November 09, 2017, 02:02:30 pm
you're using a national tragedy to push your own opinion.

No he's not, he's just mocking another poster. Relax. Also it wasn't even Ricepigeon. Relaxx2combobob
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 09, 2017, 03:20:53 pm
VGames, I just wanna say that you should be aware this is a very international forum. You're talking to a lot of people like they're Americans and they're dumb for being anti-gun, but I don't think that many people here are. A lot of the anti-gun opinions you're getting are from people who live in historically anti-gun countries.

Not going into it any deeper than that, just you may want to filter your expectations through that a bit, I think it's part of why you weren't being taken seriously.

Well instead of looking at somebody who comes into this generally liberal forum as some kind of trouble making troll because they don't believe what you believe, you should accept the fact that some people around here disagree with you guys. I'll admit being a bit harsh in the beginning, but like I said I enjoy debate and I enjoy taking in other's opinions. I'm not afraid to voice my views even in the midst of 99.99% opposition. So thank you for a good time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Byakko on November 09, 2017, 04:04:23 pm
That's not the point. Telling people who don't live in the US that they can just leave if they don't like guns is just dumb, irrelevant, and shows a complete lack of understanding of anything.
And yes, people who don't live in the US have every right to comment on US gun laws.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 09, 2017, 04:49:47 pm
It has now been one full year since America decided to stick it's collective dick in a toaster by electing a man who has no experience at this level. It's very fair to say that he's been a total dumpster fire.

The Republicans have control of the Senate, the House and the Presidency... and cannot do a damn thing. He always blames everything OTHER then his own inept ass for all the failures he has done. A large swath of the nation believes in a man who thinks that he should send the FBI and the Dept. of Justice after Hillary for claims that have proven to be false time and time again. He would rather pick a fight with professional football players because they take a knee during the anthem instead of trying to get things done.

1 year down... possibly 3 more to go and father down the rabbit hole as well.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: MAO11 on November 09, 2017, 05:22:49 pm
well presidents are just figureheads, the party usually run things. but in trumps i think even his own party doesn't like him. probably because he got way over his head and doesn't know how politics work , that's why all this controversy and not a single one from his party that isn't working directly to him aren't very vocal about defending him.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 09, 2017, 06:06:40 pm
@ Byakko - I wasn't the one that said if you don't like guns then don't live in the US. That was Snakebyte. I was just agreeing with him because guns will never go away so if you're always gonna have a  problem with them then maybe this isn't the place for you. And I never said anything about people who don't live here shouldn't comment on gun issues in the US. Where did you get that from? I think you're reaching. Quit looking for reasons to hate me.

@ Seadragon77 - I don't think Trump's done that bad at all really considering how a lot of the Repubs aren't backing him ( lots of Rhinos ) and of course the Democrats still aren't over Hillary losing so they're a huge roadblock for him. I mean unemployment is the lowest it's been in 45 years, the DOW is up like it hasn't been in a long time, illegal immigration is reaching the lowest rate it has ever been, many foreign leaders are actually looking up to the US again, the US hasn't turned into a Muslim cesspool like Germany, England, and France and tax cuts are around the corner. He's made a pretty big impact on this country in one year. What has he not done yet that you want done? If you didn't vote for him and you're a liberal then you'll probably never be satisfied. I'm basing that on how the large majority of you have been acting this entire year he's been in office. What are they doing now? Screaming at the top of their lungs in protest? C'mon get on with your lives.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Byakko on November 09, 2017, 06:25:51 pm
you did go on a couple of very dumb rants about Canadians opening their mouth about US affairs. Don't try to claim I'm reaching because you didn't specifically mention foreigners talking about your guns.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 09, 2017, 06:29:24 pm
That was more like saying before you try to tell me how the US should take care of it's issues you should worry about your own weak country. I can see how you could take that a different way. My mistake. But honestly I don't care who speaks up. All are welcome.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 09, 2017, 11:41:55 pm
You do realize that everything you mentioned was in part because of the previous administration, right? Oh, wait... those eight years apparently doesn't exist in the mind of simpletons like you VGames. Am I right?

Let me break it down for you...

Unemployment rate: He inherited it from the last administration
Dow Jones: Ditto
Lower levels of illegal immigration: Ditto
Respect?: No, and in case you missed it the first time, HELL NO! We are now the only country in the world that stands against the Paris Accord. The only one... that's not leadership, that's being a stubborn idiot pandering to a base full of idiots.
Tax cuts: Unless you're a billionaire, it's going to screw you harder then a Thai hooker in heat. The rich get the cuts because why, again? Because they're rich and people like you still believe in that magical voodoo called trickle down... yeah, something is trickling down from them, but it's not money.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Melcore on November 10, 2017, 12:04:16 am
I feel you're wrong about the tax cuts, I would like to hear an explanation on how the working class is going to be screwed harder then Thai hookers in heat.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 10, 2017, 12:08:21 am
You edited your thread title to what it currently is right now.

Not only does this have nothing to do with Donald Trump (who I'm all for making fun of), you're using a national tragedy to push your own opinion. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

The title was referring to VGames's derailment of the thread regarding his opinion of the recent shootings, not the shootings themselves. My apologies for any misunderstandings.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Seadragon77 on November 10, 2017, 04:12:53 am
I feel you're wrong about the tax cuts, I would like to hear an explanation on how the working class is going to be screwed harder then Thai hookers in heat.

The cuts are meant for those who are rich, not to mention that some tax credits will be axed in the process.

The big sticking points? It's said that this bill could add $1.5 billion to our deficits AND how they want to pay for it is pretty simple... cut everything near and dear to those who need the help.

Look, this is just how I feel... but I highly doubt anyone can defend this plan without being a fool.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Snakebyte on November 10, 2017, 04:44:33 am
The defense for tax cuts to the rich tends to be that the US is in competition with every other country, and if they tax too high, businessmen will leave and take all the jobs and taxable income they represent with them.

If you think there's no solid argument against your ideas, odds are you haven't looked for them and just blindly assumed your moral judgement is correct.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Part 2: Healthcare Hullabaloo
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 10, 2017, 05:04:41 am
China, another very strict gun law country, had 10083 homicides in the same year Japan had 395.

I was just having a laught at the horrible lack of statistical comprehension this point shows.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: kakkoii superhero on November 10, 2017, 08:13:50 am
so that statistic says kung fu skillz is 25x more lethal than gunz
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 03:08:50 pm
@ Mami & kakkoii - Kung Fu? That's a stereotype. Look for yourselves on the links I provided. More then likely machete like weapons were used since the machete is the number 1 killer in the world. Both accidental and intentional.

Unemployment rate: He inherited it from the last administration
Dow Jones: Ditto
Lower levels of illegal immigration: Ditto
Respect?: No, and in case you missed it the first time, HELL NO! We are now the only country in the world that stands against the Paris Accord. The only one... that's not leadership, that's being a stubborn idiot pandering to a base full of idiots.
Tax cuts: Unless you're a billionaire, it's going to screw you harder then a Thai hooker in heat. The rich get the cuts because why, again? Because they're rich and people like you still believe in that magical voodoo called trickle down... yeah, something is trickling down from them, but it's not money.

What a delusional little liberal you are.

The increase of the DOW was from Obama? Explain.

Lower Levels of Illegal Immigration was from Obama? Explain again. You won't be able to by the way.

Not joining The Paris Accord is your reason for him not being a good leader? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He didn't go through with it because the majority of this nation didn't want him to. That's what a leader does. He listens to his people. The Paris accord was nothing more then a way to control this nation. It would have put us in a position to put more of our money and efforts into helping with the "global cooling", I mean "global warming", sorry I meant "climate change" then any of the other nations that accepted the Paris Accord. In the long run nothing would change. There isn't enough money that the US could spend to make any kind of a dent in something like "climate change" that would actually make a difference if it was real. Heck there's nothing this world can do to fix it if it was real unless we actually did something to countries like China and India who create more pollutants a year then any other nation in the world. And I'm talking about shutting them down with force. That's not gonna happen. So what's the point of throwing so much money at something that we can't fix if it were something that was actually a problem. Mars has climate change. Did we cause that too with our little robot we sent up there? 

Tax cuts are for the middle class. You'll shut up when you experience the biggest tax cut this country has ever seen.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2017, 03:23:17 pm
Holy shit, he's a climate change denier too.  Just when you think he can't possibly be more of cartoon character.  XD
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Titiln on November 10, 2017, 03:40:19 pm
he's not completely wrong about how much of a difference america would make on something that's on a basically irreversible path. it'd be better if they stuck with the accords, but unless every country agrees to make even bigger changes we're all fucked
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/10/31/16579844/climate-gap-unep-2017
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Sean Altly on November 10, 2017, 04:03:03 pm
Holy shit, he's a climate change denier too.  Just when you think he can't possibly be more of cartoon character.  XD

He also edited out a bit where he called liberals "greedy little communists"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 04:06:49 pm
Yeah I thought it was a bit much. I'm trying not to be so harsh. No reason for me to be so mean spirited.

@ Titlin - I'm absolutely right about what I said. Nothing is gonna change. Even with China and India joining the PA it won't make a difference. They're not gonna do anymore then what they've already been doing. The PA was a backdoor for the globalists to get a stranglehold on the US. They've already got the EU. They want the most powerful nation in the world.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2017, 04:15:26 pm
And then he just edited out the bit that says "you guys know what you are."  Poor little fella just can't help himself!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 04:25:35 pm
Yeah sorry trying to do better. It's a work in progress.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Niitris on November 10, 2017, 04:25:59 pm
The Paris agreement would make a microscopic difference, all the hoopla about the media ripping Trump is pressure to get every country on board. Though all it does is gimp everyone economically while giving slap on the wrists to China and India, even though they're responsible for the majority of the emissions. Based on that, anyone should be able to conclude that's it's not completely about reversing climate change.

I know I'm parroting what's already been said, but it's obvious where their mindstate is when articles are using Syria joining the accord as a prop on why "everyone should be all in."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 04:27:59 pm
The Paris agreement would make a microscopic difference, all the hoopla about the media ripping Trump is pressure to get every country on board. Though all it does is gimp everyone economically while giving slap on the wrists to China and India, even though they're responsible for the majority of the emissions.

I know I'm parroting what's already been said, but it's obvious where their mindstate is when articles are using Syria joining the accord as a prop on why "everyone should be all in."

Well put. It's all part of the one government globalist agenda. And what the heck is Syria gonna do? Obama left that place in ruins.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2017, 04:31:02 pm
Yeah sorry trying to do better. It's a work in progress.

Edited out "Liberal ignorance is so aggravating."

Do you have, like, alt-right tourette's or something?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 04:32:26 pm
No but you sure are stalking me. LOL That last one was on purpose. Reaching for anything to use on me huh sparky.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2017, 04:36:16 pm
I just find it hilarious that someone who talks like Alex Jones gone off his medication is talking about other people's "ignorance."   You keep pretending like you have something worthwhile to say but literally can't stop yourself from lashing out like a 3rd grade schoolyard bully.

Everything about you is a joke.  I'm just preserving the punchlines for posterity. ;)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 04:39:10 pm
Uh huh whatever kid. You fell for the trap. Your intentions are clearly visible. Had that been a real trap you would have definitely died a very painful death just like you want. Be more careful next time.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2017, 04:44:53 pm
I think I made my intentions pretty clear:  I'm screwing with you because I think it's funny.  People like you, it's so easy to poke a hole in that chest-thumping, jingoistic nationalism you're so proud of and watch you sputter around like a deflating balloon.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Mechy on November 10, 2017, 04:47:38 pm
You are both starting to sound like anime villains. Cool it.

Wasn't there some sort of a study that apparently Trump's tax cuts are likely to just raise them for middle class people on the long run? I think I remember something like that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 10, 2017, 05:07:37 pm
I think I made my intentions pretty clear:  I'm screwing with you because I think it's funny.  People like you, it's so easy to poke a hole in that chest-thumping, jingoistic nationalism you're so proud of and watch you sputter around like a deflating balloon.

No sputtering here. Why don't you give some actual opinions on the subjects we're discussing instead of trying to attack individuals for having a different opinion then you. You're not making me feel bad in any way.

@ Mechy - Sources please.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: Melcore on November 10, 2017, 05:54:38 pm
I feel you're wrong about the tax cuts, I would like to hear an explanation on how the working class is going to be screwed harder then Thai hookers in heat.

The cuts are meant for those who are rich, not to mention that some tax credits will be axed in the process.

The big sticking points? It's said that this bill could add $1.5 billion to our deficits AND how they want to pay for it is pretty simple... cut everything near and dear to those who need the help.

Look, this is just how I feel... but I highly doubt anyone can defend this plan without being a fool.

Steve Mnuchin who is the Treasury Secretary stated that:
 "as it relates to the high end, we are getting rid of lots of deductions, we are trying to get rid of state and local deductions and get the federal government out of subsidizing it and yes, i can tell you the current plan for many, many people it will not reduce taxes on the high end."

sounds like its raising the taxes on them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: GTOAkira on November 12, 2017, 02:46:36 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/929511061954297857
Quote
Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Gun advocates going off half-cocked
Post by: VGames on November 12, 2017, 03:33:41 pm
LOL
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Maybe me & Kim can be friends after all"
Post by: Iced on November 13, 2017, 09:29:36 pm
he never met a dictator he didnt like to one day become a friend of
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Maybe me & Kim can be friends after all"
Post by: Snakebyte on November 14, 2017, 12:04:12 am
Yes. And that's a good thing. It's how you stop wars from happening.

Jesus christ, all these people who say war is bad, war is bad, until suddenly the guy they hate doesn't want to start any. You'll find a way to hate him for literally any action he could possibly take.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Maybe me & Kim can be friends after all"
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 12:16:39 am
Passive-aggressively calling a hostile foreign leader "short and fat" is not a great way to avoid a war.

This stupid, spray-tanned motherfucker is going to launch a nuclear holocaust so he can win a dick-measuring contest.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Maybe me & Kim can be friends after all"
Post by: Snakebyte on November 14, 2017, 02:18:21 pm
and now war is bad again

priceless
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Maybe me & Kim can be friends after all"
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 03:07:40 pm
Let the record show that it was at this point Snakebyte started arguing in favor of nuclear war.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Maybe me & Kim can be friends after all"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 03:26:38 pm
@ Person Man - Be quiet. He never said that. And for the record Donald Trump is in no way responsible for any of this NK crap. Blame it on the presidents who were in office for the last 60 or so years. Their "diplomatic" methods have allowed little fat Kim to get to where he is now with his nuclear arsenal. It has been their mission from the beginning of the nuclear age and will be the final nail in his NK empire. Clinton, the Bushes, Obama, the list goes on with the names of our leaders that should have put their foot down on NK a long time ago.

This stupid, spray-tanned motherfucker is going to launch a nuclear holocaust so he can win a dick-measuring contest.

Trump's gonna launch a nuclear holocaust to prove how manly he is? Grow up man. If anything he'll launch an attack on the missile sights and have any missiles that get airborne shot down. And so will Japan and so will China. Nobody likes NK. Quit trying to make Trump the big bad guy here. Why don't you hate on little Kim? You criticize Trump for calling Kim short and fat but you didn't say a word about Kim when he called Trump old and crazy. Or when he talked about destroying Japan. Why so much hate for your president who's doing all he can to keep us out of a nuclear war?

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Titiln on November 14, 2017, 03:34:03 pm
Let the record show that it was at this point Snakebyte started arguing in favor of nuclear war.
not really, what he's saying is that the opinion on war here sways according to what trump says. you could argue that point instead of saying HMMMM SO YOURE SAYING WAR IS GOOD NOW?? your quick snipes in this thread that add nothing to the discussion are getting really old
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 14, 2017, 03:34:37 pm
In an ironic twist following Robert Mueller's investigation into links between Trump and Russia, AG Sessions now wants to appoint another special counsel to investigate Hillary Clinton's ties to Russia; more specifically, the Uranium deal made with Russia when she was still Secretary of State as well as her role in swaying the DNC primaries (http://nypost.com/2017/11/13/sessions-considering-special-counsel-to-investigate-hillary-clinton/)

In other news, Donald Trump Jr admits to having been in correspondence with Wikileaks during weeks preceding the 2016 election, the emails of which he has just released. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/politics/wikileaks-donald-trump-jr-2016-election/index.html)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Dumanios on November 14, 2017, 03:39:17 pm
Trump has insulted Kim Jong-in multiple times in the past and threatened atomic fire on North Korea, yet now when Kim Jong-in insults him, suddenly he wants to be friends?

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Byakko on November 14, 2017, 03:48:20 pm
He never said that
That didn't stop Snakebyte from praising Trump's method of avoiding war or claiming that people actually want a nuclear war now that Trump is trying to avoid it, so piss off.
what he's saying is that the opinion on war here sways according to what trump says.
And that would be a lie since no one said anything good about war after Trump claimed he tried to make friends with Kim.
Not to mention people have been arguing about whether to make war or not decades before Trump twitted he wanted to be friends with Kim, so attributing any change of heart to Trump is another flat-out lie.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 03:52:59 pm
Let the record show that it was at this point Snakebyte started arguing in favor of nuclear war.
not really, what he's saying is that the opinion on war here sways according to what trump says. your quick snipes in this thread that add nothing to the discussion are getting really old

I mean, he's deliberately misinterpreting what other people are saying to fit his own narrative, so turnabout's fair play, right?  Iced made a joke about Trump saying he wants to be friends with an unstable, oppressive dictator.  I expressed concern that Trump is actively making a tense situation worse by resorting to petty, childish insults.  Snakebyte took two different statements by two different people, which aren't even incongruous with each other, and made up some story about "hey look, all the dumb liberals are flip-flopping again."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 04:37:52 pm
Trump has insulted Kim Jong-in multiple times in the past and threatened atomic fire on North Korea, yet now when Kim Jong-in insults him, suddenly he wants to be friends?

No he didn't. I want sources on the insulting that occurred multiple times in the past. And he never threatened NK with nuclear fire. He said "Fire and Fury" and he was talking about bringing fire and fury down on them if they continued doing what they were doing. He needs to tell them how it is. That's his job. Why are you standing up for a psychotic dictator that feeds on the very lives of his own people?

And who the heck cares about Don Jr. being involved with wikileaks. I don't care how the info got out about Hillary. What's important is that we know what she's been up to this whole time. Don Jr. is a hero if he helped to expose the true corrupt evil that is Hillary Clinton before she was elected into office. You should be thanking him.

@  Byakko - What? That's exactly what leftist people are doing. Not just here. But everywhere. If Trump tries to be nice the liberals call him weak. If Trump puts his foot down the liberals blame him for any nuclear strike that occurs in the future. Leftist liberals are flip flopping over and over again.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Byakko on November 14, 2017, 04:50:49 pm
Yeah I'll need a source and a direct quote on that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Dumanios on November 14, 2017, 07:03:00 pm
No he didn't. I want sources on the insulting that occurred multiple times in the past. And he never threatened NK with nuclear fire. He said "Fire and Fury" and he was talking about bringing fire and fury down on them if they continued doing what they were doing. He needs to tell them how it is. That's his job. Why are you standing up for a psychotic dictator that feeds on the very lives of his own people?

Why would Donald Trump want to befriend a psychotic dictator that feeds on the very lives of his own people? Why would Kim Jong-un befriend a guy who's called him a madman (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/911175246853664768)and 'Rocket Man (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/914565910798782465)?

If Obama or Hillary had said they wanted to befriend Kim, the GOP would be tripping over their dicks to call them appeasers of America's enemies and compare them to Neville Chamberlain.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 07:08:26 pm
That's because Obama was appeasing our enemies. Like ISIS. Obama was nothing but a closet Islamist. Everybody knows that.

Forgot about that Rocket Man put down. Still that's not multiple times. And if Kim wants to fire nukes because of a put down he's the one with the serious problem.

Donald doesn't want to be his friend. He's being diplomatic which I guess is still not good enough for you guys. Trump is right about NK. They have to be dealt with by force. It's too late for them now.

I hope when Kim is dead you guys can go on living.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: GTOAkira on November 14, 2017, 07:22:50 pm
Closet islamist lmao pretty thats the first time I ever hear this about anyone
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Byakko on November 14, 2017, 07:24:38 pm
Still that's not multiple times.
Uh yes it is.
if Kim wants to fire nukes because of a put down he's the one with the serious problem.
Welcome to North Korea
He's being diplomatic
No he's not.
I hope when Kim is dead you guys can go on living.
There have been three of them since the fifties, how are you not getting this
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 07:35:50 pm
There have been three of them since the fifties, how are you not getting this

What?

@ GTOAkira -

(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/Barack-Obama-687182.jpg)

(http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/obama-mosque/images/Obama%20Muslim%20Garb%20with%20brother%20Malik%20&%20Kenyan%20Muslim.jpg)

(http://www.remnantofgod.org/archives/images/Obama-muslim.jpg)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Byakko on November 14, 2017, 07:42:39 pm
There have been three of them since the fifties, how are you not getting this
What?
Kim Il-sung in the seventies, Kim Jong-il in the nineties, then Kim Jong-un. One single person is not the problem.

And give a source to those pics.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 08:00:23 pm
I know there were 3 of them. What are you talking about? When I said I hope you guys can go on living when Kim is dead I was referring to the fact that you guys are backing Kim more then your own president who is looking out for us all.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/687182/Barack-Obama-Muslim-dress-half-brothers-wedding-Islam-terror
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/fox-breaks-new-exclusive-image-of-obama-in-muslim-garb-hes-a-muslim-folks-we-knew-it.508208/
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/carry-your-own-water-mr-president

Make sure to listen to Obama's spiritual mentor in the video on the last link. Disgusting. If you guys didn't know he was an Islamist by now I got nothing for you but pity. The guy duped you for sure.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 08:04:29 pm
Nobody is backing Kim Jong-un you moron.  "Kim Jong-un is one in a long line of oppressive dictators" and "America should not be antagonizing a hostile foreign power with nuclear weaponry" are not mutually exclusive thoughts.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 08:07:17 pm
Hey no need for name calling. Let's keep this civil. Tolerance is the liberal way remember.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 08:11:43 pm
You cannot invalidate my point, so you attempt to attack my character.  Classy.

Fine, then.  Prove your point.  Find anything, any one single post from anyone in this thread that actually says that they support Kim Jong-un.  I'll wait.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 08:38:37 pm
Read up above. Dumanios was clearly saying Kim was in the right since Trump made fun of him first and nobody got upset about Trump poking fun at him when he called him little Rocket man which he is.  That's backing the dictator. None of you are backing Trump on this issue even though he's clearly in the right. We have to attack NK. It's gonna happen. Therefore you are backing Kim. Twitter comments shouldn't even matter at this point. Just an American speaking his mind. The moment NK started their nuclear mission and the world didn't stop them, the damage was done. Diplomacy is a waste of time now.

This won't end in nukes. It's gonna end in some heavy bombing. Kim will go out after watching his empire crumble around him. Just like Hitler. And his people will be better off.

(http://i.imgur.com/xhnoLn7.gif)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Jmorphman on November 14, 2017, 08:56:42 pm
Hey VGames, what country was the obviously secret Muslim Obama born in?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 09:19:05 pm
Read up above. Dumanios was clearly saying Kim was in the right since Trump made fun of him first and nobody got upset about Trump poking fun at him when he called him little Rocket man which he is.  That's backing the dictator. None of you are backing Trump on this issue even though he's clearly in the right. We have to attack NK. It's gonna happen. Therefore you are backing Kim.
Everything in this statement is objectively false.  The world isn't as binary as Breitbart has told you to believe.  It's entirely possible to be against both sides in an issue.  Both Kim and Trump are mentally unstable egomaniacs who shouldn't be in charge of a country.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 14, 2017, 09:28:52 pm
I was referring to the fact that you guys are backing Kim more then your own president who is looking out for us all.

...unless you happen to be LGBTQ (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/trump-transgender-military/index.html), muslim (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38781302), or working for CNN (https://i.imgflip.com/1m906s.jpg)  :flipout:
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 09:41:07 pm
Hey VGames, what country was the obviously secret Muslim Obama born in?

Hawaii I believe was the last place they said he was born. What does that have to do with anything?

Both Kim and Trump are mentally unstable egomaniacs

Regurgitation anybody? I didn't know you were a psychologist Person Man. Good for you. You don't need that single payer after all.

Unless you happen to be gay, muslim, or working for CNN

Last time I checked Trump is ok with gay rights.

Muslims need to step up and denounce the things that the "radical" ones are doing if they want to get out of the terrorist spotlight. I have yet to see any Muslim organizations do this. Let me know if I'm wrong.

CNN brought it on themselves. They're as un-American as the majority of liberals.



Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Jmorphman on November 14, 2017, 09:44:28 pm
Hawaii I believe was the last place they said he was born.
Nice weasel words. C'mon, tell us what you really believe. Lets see how deep this rabbit hole goes.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: AG Sessions: "Trump first, Hillary next"
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 14, 2017, 09:52:45 pm
Hawaii I believe was the last place they said he was born. What does that have to do with anything?

You're wrong, Obama was born in...

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-vNM4tm-evk0/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/AoAUEmoGStk/s900-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg)
Kawaii  ;D Notice me Hirarii-sempai

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 10:02:51 pm
Muslims need to step up and denounce the things that the "radical" ones are doing if they want to get out of the terrorist spotlight.

Arrogant, bigoted, willfully ignorant, jingoist, conspiracy theorist, and racist on top of all that?  You're like some kind of alt-right greatest hits compilation, aren't you?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 10:25:19 pm
@ Person Man - Hey quit attacking my character. Instead point out a Muslim Islamic organization in the US that's denouncing all these Islamic Terrorist attacks. And I'm not alt-right. I'm a Hispanic American that tells it how it is and doesn't hide behind PC culture like you. Also don't you have to be white to be all that stuff you mentioned? Isn't that what the liberals are pushing these days?

@ Jmorphman - Oh you must want me to say he came from Kenya like his grandma and brother said he did. I'm not one of those guys. I honestly don't know where he came from exactly since I find it strange that it took him a while to get his birth certificate together. I have mine available at any time. You would think the POTUS could whip that out pretty quick. Plus it looked really fake and it had a lot of strange issues with it.

(http://freedomnews.today/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/OBAMAS-BIRTH-CERTIFICATE-c-678x381.jpg)

@ Ricepigeon - LOL
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Jmorphman on November 14, 2017, 10:32:43 pm
holy shit you actually went there LOL
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Person Man on November 14, 2017, 10:36:46 pm
@ Person Man - Hey quit attacking my character. Instead point out a Muslim Islamic organization in the US that's denouncing all these Islamic Terrorist attacks.

The Muslim community doesn't owe you an apology you racist chucklefuck.  I don't see you out there demanding that every Catholic/Christian organization come out with a public denouncement every time a white terrorist grabs a gun and shoots up a school or shopping center. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Mechy on November 14, 2017, 10:48:55 pm
Feels somewhat strange for Vgames to be as vile about this as he is, since aren't Hispanic people only very slightly higher in the current day american racial pecking order?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Do not even ask on November 14, 2017, 10:49:34 pm
WHERE'S DA MODERATE MUSLIMS AND DERE CONDEMNATIONS OF ISLAMIC TERROR?!?!?!?! (https://muslimscondemn.com)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 14, 2017, 10:57:02 pm
@VGames: Yes, because every woman in history who has ever had vaginal disease & surgery had to fly to Kenya in order to seek a gynecologist...  :mlol:

No seriously, what the fuck?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: VGames on November 14, 2017, 10:58:52 pm
@ Person Man - Well the thing is people who kill people aren't Christians. Even if they claim to be. Because the Bible clearly speaks against it. So we Christians don't have to apologize for any of that crap. They're not Christians so they're not our own. Muslim Islamists on the other hand read a book that clearly tells them to kill all that don't agree with them. The Radical Islamic terrorists that commit these acts are reading from the same book that the peaceful ones are reading from. And they're doing exactly what the book tells them too. So therefore the peaceful Muslims need to denounce what the bad ones are doing and need to go back and fix everything in their Quran that is evil. They have not done this at all. Probably because they're waiting for enough of the population to turn Muslim so they can be more comfortable to show their true beliefs. I mean it's not the Radical Islamic terrorists that are throwing gays off the rooftops in Iran. It's the "peaceful" ones. The everyday Joe's that take their faith seriously.

@ Jmorphman & Ricepigeon - Yeah the pic was a joke. It was pretty funny though. You guys are gullible. I told u I don't know about Obama's birthplace.

@ Mechy - Why would me being Hispanic have anything to do with the way I see people for what they are? Should I be a victim too? Or should I shut up since I'm not higher up on the pecking order?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Jmorphman on November 14, 2017, 11:02:05 pm
WHERE'S DA MODERATE MUSLIMS AND DERE CONDEMNATIONS OF ISLAMIC TERROR?!?!?!?! (https://muslimscondemn.com)
Fake news, only reputable news sources like www.usandonlyusnewsandreports.org, www.infotainmentwars.co.uk, and www.obamaisakenyanmuslimwhohatesanime.biz are allowed here.

Yeah the pic was a joke. It was pretty funny though. You guys are gullible. I told u I don't know about Obama's birthplace.
yeah man totally, the best jokes are is the kind where one posts long paragraphs of absolute nonsense and everyone of all different political beliefs points and mocks them relentlessly. But little do they know they're all being pranked by a master troll!

Gosh, it's all just so clever.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Revenge of the Obama Birthers
Post by: Mechy on November 14, 2017, 11:07:18 pm
@ Mechy - Why would me being Hispanic have anything to do with the way I see people for what they are? Should I be a victim too? Or should I shut up since I'm not higher up on the pecking order?
Oh no, you can talk all you want, since it's america and all. Just oughta keep in mind that just as you see muslims as born evil invaders who's only good contribution ever was kebab, majority of that pecking order regards you as a drug bringing rapist that can't grasp the concept of borders and who's only good contribution is lawn care.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Muslims are bad, Mmkay?"
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 29, 2017, 10:21:10 pm
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/president-trump-slammed-for-retweeting-videos-by-britain-first-deputy-leader-jayda-fransen/news-story/e46784cca9cac99a91a7e5163af50b7b

Trump under fire, including a condemnation by British PM May, for both tweeting anti-muslim videos and also spreading conspiracy theories that Joe Scarborough was involved in a murder dating back to 2001.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Muslims are bad, Mmkay?"
Post by: Snakebyte on November 30, 2017, 04:49:32 am
Surely the condemnations from the stuck-up upper class will stop him from winning the election, just like they did all those other times.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Muslims are bad, Mmkay?"
Post by: Endorfan on December 01, 2017, 12:45:01 am
Videos of terrorists are anti-Muslim now? You'd wonder everybody would know that radicals and Islam ain't the same thing by now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Muslims are bad, Mmkay?"
Post by: Jmorphman on December 02, 2017, 02:05:53 am
Quote
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and, in an ominous sign for the White House, said he is cooperating in the ongoing probe of possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin to influence the 2016 election.

When Flynn was forced out of the White House in February, officials said he had misled the administration, including Vice President Pence, about his contacts with Kislyak. But court records and people familiar with the contacts indicated he was acting in consultation with senior Trump transition officials, including President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, in his dealings with the diplomat.

Flynn’s plea revealed that he was in touch with senior Trump transition officials before and after his communications with the ambassador.
Flynn has flipped, and made a deal. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michael-flynn-charged-with-making-false-statement-to-the-fbi/2017/12/01/e03a6c48-d6a2-11e7-9461-ba77d604373d_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_flynn-937am-duplicate%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.57cedb1d20d3) Quite an eventful day it's been.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS: "Travel Ban is Constitutional"
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 05, 2017, 03:20:58 pm
SCOTUS has ruled that Trump's latest version of the travel ban from September can go into full effect without restriction. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/us/politics/trump-travel-ban-supreme-court.html)

Meanwhile, Mueller issued a subpoena for Trump's financial records (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mueller-issues-subpoena-deutsche-bank-russia-probe/story?id=51586918), a report which Trump's lawyer denies (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/trump-lawyer-denies-deutsche-bank-got-subpoena-on-trump-accounts-idUSKBN1DZ0XN).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS: "Travel Ban is Constitutional"
Post by: Snakebyte on December 06, 2017, 02:03:23 pm
This travel ban crap seems ridiculous to me. If the courts didn't try to fight it, it would already be over by now. The thing was only ever for what, six months?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Let the Impeachment Proceedings Begin...
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 06, 2017, 03:04:04 pm
House Democrats will be bringing up a vote later today to have Trump impeached (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-impeachment-vote-to-be-forced-wednesday/ar-BBGh18C?li=BBnb7Kz)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Let the Impeachment Proceedings Begin...
Post by: Foobs on December 06, 2017, 03:45:52 pm
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The Texas Democrat previously called Trump “the chief inciter of racism, bigotry, hatred, xenophobia, sexism, ethnocentrism.” Impeachment articles he introduced in October state that Trump “brought disrepute on the presidency” and “undermined the integrity of his office” but did not make criminal accusations.
Pfffft. Not even "muh russia", just "Trump is a meanie". This is pathetic.

Even in the remote case the senate rolled with this...what would be the fucking point of removing Trump from the throne if the next in line is Mike "Ignite the Sodomite" Pence?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 06, 2017, 10:43:24 pm
To nobody's surprise, the House quashed the impeachment attempt with a landslide 364-58 vote (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/trump-impeachment-vote-fail-282888)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Chronan on December 07, 2017, 05:23:13 am
At least the bullshit grandstand attempt gave me another chance to laugh at that slimy fucker Steve Cohen for his failures, although I didn't see his head turn into a red cherry this time. :(
And now Al Green clowned himself too especially with his embarrassing reasons given for impeachment.. at least to anyone who paid attention. The spin will be "he was the man stood up to Trump", which was really the whole point of the dog-and-pony show.

They all work so hard to maintain zero faith in the the US political system. It makes me proud! :joy:
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Niitris on December 07, 2017, 08:48:43 am
The resistance is getting desperate.

Trump under fire, including a condemnation by British PM May, for both tweeting anti-muslim videos...

It's only been a week too
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5149425/Plot-blow-Theresa-foiled.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: walt on December 07, 2017, 04:39:07 pm
The resistance is getting desperate
Dems that voted against are aware that this would go nowhere, and that it would de-legitimize their serious efforts with the public opinion on the Mueller front, so they decided to shoot this on sight and leave the traction and excitement for the finishing blow.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on December 08, 2017, 02:08:50 am
The only 'finishing blow' is going to be the dems' credibility in 2020.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Byakko on December 08, 2017, 02:28:06 am
at least nothing on the planet can ever go lower than the Reps on credibility lol
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: R565 on December 08, 2017, 02:31:49 am
at least nothing on the planet can ever go lower than the Reps on credibility lol

So true, it hurts.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 08, 2017, 02:35:47 am
Man, this turned deep
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on December 08, 2017, 02:38:23 am
hey

once you get to the planet core, there's nowhere to go but up :')
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Person Man on December 16, 2017, 06:36:25 pm
The Trump administration has issued ban order forbidding the CDC from using the words "science-based" and "evidence-based" in their reports. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?utm_term=.81b238eeb5c0)  Other forbidden words include transgender, fetus, and diversity.

So now the president of the United States is trying to repeal the concept of freedom of speech and criminalize undesirable language and concepts.  Sure can't wait for all the helpful Trump supporters to try and explain how this is a strong, righteous, American decision.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 16, 2017, 07:25:05 pm
I hope he bans plyamorous and fluid gender next.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: The Sudden Rarity on December 18, 2017, 06:49:22 am
The only question I ask: "Why?"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Foobs on December 18, 2017, 06:38:26 pm
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cdc-director-says-there-are-no-banned-words-at-the-agency
CDC director says there are ‘no banned words’ at the agency
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U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald on Sunday addressed a report that President Donald Trump’s administration had banned the CDC from using seven words or phrases in next year’s budget documents.

The terms are “fetus,” “transgender,” “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “evidence-based” and “science-based,” according to a story first reported on Friday in The Washington Post.

But Fitzgerald said in a series of tweets on Sunday said there are “no banned words,” while emphasizing the agency’s commitment to data-driven science.

[..]

“The assertion that H.H.S. has ‘banned words’ is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process,” Matt Lloyd, an agency spokesman, said in a statement. “H.H.S. will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans. H.H.S. also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions.”

TL;DR The Trump Administration told (this isn't a ban) the CDC to avoid certain buzzwords in one document that'd rustle the Congress Republicans' Jimmies in order to get the agency's budget approved more easily. That's it. It doesn't mean the CDC can't use the words "transgender" or "science" on its published documents or press statements.

The liberal media is dishonestly portraying this EVIL  BIGOT DRUMPF TRIES TO CENSOR LANGUAGE. But what else would you expect from the Washington Post?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Chronan on December 18, 2017, 09:52:40 pm
Wait, so the Trump Administration isn't even banning certain buzzwords at the CDC? This just proves that Trump is weak and unable to execute his policies properly. Sure can't wait for all the helpful Trump supporters to try and explain how this is a strong, righteous, American decision.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Snakebyte on December 18, 2017, 10:09:05 pm
Wait, so the Trump Administration isn't even banning certain buzzwords at the CDC? This just proves that Trump is weak and unable to execute his policies properly. Sure can't wait for all the helpful Trump supporters to try and explain how this is a strong, righteous, American decision.

Is this a Poe

I can't tell anymore
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Person Man on December 18, 2017, 10:42:17 pm
I'm willing to admit that I was misled, that's fine.  That was totally my fuck-up.  But telling them that their funding will get cut if they discuss certain topics that Republicans don't want discussed isn't that much different from an outright ban.

It really doesn't say much for the state of conservatives in this government that simply mentioning the very idea of science or evidence is enough to send them clutching at pearls.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Foobs on December 18, 2017, 11:11:05 pm
You say it like public service agencies having to walk on eggshells when it comes to discussing budget with politicians was something new or unheard of. Or like if Trump left a severed horse head on the CDC's bed instead of just sending a memo.

I'd bet the letter the WH send wasn't even tailored for the CDC (why would it mention entitlement programs and diversity?) but was a generic memo sent to multiple agencies.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: It.. Its not like I wanted to win, baka!
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 04, 2018, 10:18:48 pm
Michael Wolff's new book includes interview with some of Trump's inner circle who, among many allegations, stated that neither Trump nor his campaign team ever intended on winning the 2016 election (http://www.newsweek.com/top-20-revelations-trump-fire-and-fury-book-about-golden-showers-ivanka-bannon-769899)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Odb718 on January 05, 2018, 12:31:13 am
I'd bet the letter the WH send wasn't even tailored for the CDC (why would it mention entitlement programs and diversity?) but was a generic memo sent to multiple agencies.
And out of the two, this is the worse. A generic "please dont use words list" is just craziness.

I think I saw an article that Trump is pushing back safety measures for offshore drilling? Seems about right for his level of intelligence. People get hurt or die, or the environment gets messed up, another person finds a better way. It costs more so 1.1billion vs 1.09 billion in profits is unacceptable. Spend 3million in lobbyists to get 87million.... and possibly fuck up people and the environment.
And if this was already talked about, my bad.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Impeachment Proceedings is DEAD!!!
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2018, 07:22:45 pm
at least nothing on the planet can ever go lower than the Reps on credibility lol
He's, like, really smart.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: It.. Its not like I wanted to win, baka!
Post by: Dumanios on January 11, 2018, 01:19:31 am
Michael Wolff's new book includes interview with some of Trump's inner circle who, among many allegations, stated that neither Trump nor his campaign team ever intended on winning the 2016 election (http://www.newsweek.com/top-20-revelations-trump-fire-and-fury-book-about-golden-showers-ivanka-bannon-769899)

>When Hillary loses to someone who never intended to win

Good job DNC
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: My S***hole Country is better than yours!
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 12, 2018, 03:09:41 pm
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-complains-about-immigrants-from-shole-countries/news-story/c9285401ff8d5b8ba05bfe1c55fa204c

That whole thing about using a provision in the 25th amendment to declare Trump unfit for office is starting to look more and more likely... until you realize that means Mike "Pray the Gay Away" Pence would become Acting President...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 30, 2018, 05:10:38 pm
House Republicans vote to release a memo to the public detailing misconduct by the FBI in the Russia investigation in an attempt to show that Obama did spy on Trump during the election. (https://nypost.com/2018/01/29/house-intel-panel-votes-to-release-memo-on-russia-probe/)

Meanwhile, FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe steps down over his involvement in the Hillary email investigation in 2016. (https://nypost.com/2018/01/29/andrew-mccabe-steps-down-as-deputy-fbi-director/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: MAO11 on January 30, 2018, 06:01:23 pm
are they dumb? saying a statement like that is the same as accepting that trump did colluded with the russians, my head hurts just thinking how dumb this all became , russians bought nuke batter from hillary , sold the info on trump , now liberals and half of the rebuplicans wants trumps head, either way russia wins in any outcome of this situation.

though i wanna know how on hillary got an authority to sell armaments to the russians , and why trump? i mean if the russians want to back someone up won't it be smarter if they cooperate with hillary? it seems like they already got a good business partnership going on.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: Foobs on January 31, 2018, 03:23:45 am
yo, State of the Union is on right now.

Bernie looks pretty pissed off.

Edit: he took a shot at the NFL and the place went wild.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2018, 04:17:32 am
though i wanna know how on hillary got an authority to sell armaments to the russians
That is... pretty wildly off base. This is a pretty thorough look at the Uranium One deal (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/24/what-you-need-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-urani/), but to be brief: it wasn't armaments, it was an American uranium company that had a majority of its shares bought by the Russian nuclear agency (do note that this uranium company did not, and still does not have a license to export any of the uranium outside of the US); before the sale was allowed to proceed, it was reviewed by a committee of nine different government agencies including the Defense Department, Department of Homeland Security, and State Department (which is where Clinton comes in). All nine agencies signed off on the deal, and so it went though. No one agency was able to override the others and approve the deal, they all had to agree in order for it to happen.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: MAO11 on January 31, 2018, 09:46:56 am
then it's legal? so what's all the fuzz about hillary's emails then?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: Odb718 on January 31, 2018, 01:31:56 pm
So I'm pretty sure she just stopped looking at her emails for a couple days when "Benghazi" happened. There were more than a couple emails where they were begging for their lives. They died. That's pretty bad.
 I mean, there could be more.
But she also had the servers at her house with the emails on them. Then the servers got erased (or so she thought)...
Here's the thing tho. Emails are a two way street. You can delete them, but the other person still has them.

As far as I know, and I could be completely off about this,
She got a few people killed.
Said she didn't.
People said, wait yes you did. We have emails that prove it.
Somehow the hdds in her house get "wiped". But not actually because C'mon she's 65yo.
Emails prove she fuct-up.


But she did buy off Obama's debt to the DNC so she gets to control it for the election YAAAAAY!

Which set of emails lol. The one where she got people killed or rigged an election??
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: MAO11 on January 31, 2018, 02:11:16 pm
the election rigging isn't new , it happened multiple times , legally and illegally i'm more interested in the benghazi thing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: Endorfan on January 31, 2018, 03:46:16 pm
then it's legal? so what's all the fuzz about hillary's emails then?

Mishandled classified material, lied about it, deleted evidence under investigation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: GOP: "Trump was right about Obama"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 22, 2018, 01:18:04 am
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/966437427748462599
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Trump: "If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly, and the good thing about a suggestion like that -- and we're going to be looking at it very strongly...but the good thing is you'll have a lot of [armed] people with that."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 22, 2018, 04:02:12 am
Backlash from gun control advocates incoming in 3... 2...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: DNZRX768 on February 22, 2018, 04:25:45 am
In all honesty, I do support a solution that involves arming the teachers and staff as well as ending the gun-free zones around schools, since the gun-free zone seem policy to bring nothing but trouble.

After all, I seriously doubt that a would-be school shooter determined to commit mass-murder would be stopped by an inanimate sign.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 22, 2018, 09:46:49 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966660169194229761
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If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there...problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Gennos on February 22, 2018, 10:51:59 pm
what an idiotic logic. the last thing they want is to make shooting a school a challenge. most of these individuals are already suicidal, they go there with the intention of dying and taking as much lives as they can with them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 23, 2018, 08:55:42 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966681883206668289
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What many people don’t understand, or don’t want to understand, is that Wayne, Chris and the folks who work so hard at the @NRA are Great People and Great American Patriots. They love our Country and will do the right thing.                  MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 23, 2018, 09:19:12 am
Guns were never the problem tho, its dumbasses
who use it for the wrong reason.  I feel for the kids
who are protesting but blaming guns isn't logical.

They don't shoot by them selves, ban all guns,
semi auto or not, ban large mags it dont matter.

If they ban guns and take them all away and these
suicidal idiots decide to start killing sprees with hammers
are we gonna blame wal-mart next for selling hammers?

The gun shop owner and the state failed by not noticing
that dumbass kid's history of mental illness.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 23, 2018, 09:39:50 am
who is going to kill 17 people in a few minutes with a hammer exactly ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 23, 2018, 10:09:46 am
who is going to kill 17 people in a few minutes with a hammer exactly ?

Lol you never know, it doesn't have to be done in a few
minutes, it could be knives, or explosives made with fertilizer
like I.e.d's are made.

My argument is that almost anything can be used as a weapon.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 23, 2018, 11:23:48 am
It's a fucking stupid argument. An AR15 kills a lot of people fast with little preparation, just buy the gun and munitions and you're good to go, the other weapons you mention don't come close to that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 23, 2018, 11:47:05 am
It dont matter how fast it can kill, but blaming it
on ar-15 or m16 m4 whatever you want to call
it is fucking stupid, those guns don't just magically
kill people by themselves. A 9mm can kill just as fast
with the right training. How about a shotgun? They come
In different variations too, it can hold 2 shells or
plenty more and I'm sure a shotty can kill even faster.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 23, 2018, 11:52:41 am
No, a handgun can't kill as many people as fast.
And don't think shotguns would be left alone if a law gets to pass.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 02:34:07 pm
Well this guy killed more people back in 1927 then any other school massacre since in the US and he didn't have an AR. He used good ol' fashion dynamite and incendiary pyrotol to take care of most of his victims. The only gun he had was a Winchester 54 Rifle and he didn't even shoot anybody with it. He used it to detonate the explosives in his truck killing himself and more people than an AR could ever kill in a blink of an eye. Banning guns will be just as effective as banning illegal narcotics, murder, rape, or sex trafficking has been. Not effective at all. Gun free zones are the prime target of any mass killing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

And also the next biggest death toll at a school massacre was done in 2007 and only got 32 kills. 6 less then the dynamite attack. And guess what? No AR's were used. Only 2 pistols.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 23, 2018, 03:45:33 pm
UK implemented strict gun laws after 1 school shooting and their mass shooting drastically went down.  canada also , americans being so sensitive about gun laws baffles me, US congress even ban the CDC to study gun violence , that's messed up , probably most US congress are in the pockets of the NRA.

don't get me wrong i like guns , i still fire a couple of rounds whenever i visit our ancestral home with my cousins.
and of course even after a new gun law is impose the threat is still there , but reducing the numbers even if it's a fraction is still worth trying rather than doing nothing.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 23, 2018, 04:04:58 pm
It's because our comically outdated 2nd amendment has caused Americans to fetishize gun ownership to the point where people believe that their right to play with their toys is more important than other people's right to live.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 23, 2018, 04:34:41 pm
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Some of you clowns have obviously never set foot on a farm. I love how liberals and leftists spend so much time talking about things they know nothing about. On a farm you may be required to do anything from defend your family from a human intruder to defend your live stock from a 4 legged predator. In many cases to defend from a fox, coyote, wolf, large cat or bear you need something with range. A shotgun is not nearly as effective at range as an AR15. The farmer has an AR15 because it is the most well rounded weapon to handle most situations he might run into. And the question was very well answered. The question was what is something good done with an AR15. Not what was something good done by an AR15 that something else could have done better. In the case of a farmer there isn’t any better weapon for versatility. Now all you liberals leave the farmer alone and quit worrying about what he’s carrying, I’m sure you’ll all be perfectly safe in your gun free zones. No one ever brings guns to those places.

funny how I just stumbled upon this, and it was in quora a left leaning forum located in the bay area.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 04:39:15 pm
UK implemented strict gun laws after 1 school shooting and their mass shooting drastically went down.  canada also , americans being so sensitive about gun laws baffles me, US congress even ban the CDC to study gun violence , that's messed up , probably most US congress are in the pockets of the NRA.

don't get me wrong i like guns , i still fire a couple of rounds whenever i visit our ancestral home with my cousins.
and of course even after a new gun law is impose the threat is still there , but reducing the numbers even if it's a fraction is still worth trying rather than doing nothing.

Well that's exactly what Trump is talking about doing. Raising the age to buy and own a gun to the age of 21 and implementing a revised and much better mental health check along with a background checks when buying a gun. Why not get rid of gun free zones too and further add both defense and offense to protect our people? We use guns to protect our banks, our government establishments, and even our airports. Why not our children and youth. They're even more important.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 23, 2018, 04:57:43 pm
The issue is how easy it is to obtain one.  People who like guns
and believe in the 2nd amendment shouldn't be punished
because of idiots.  Has any of the gun laws in Chicago helped?

In this latest school shooting that kid should of never got the guns.
He had mental health issues and a record in school of being
violent.  But that was not enough for the gun shop and the state
to deny his 2nd amendment right. They fucked up as we can see.

The kids who were threaten by his punk ass and kept quite oh
because they didnt think he was "serious" should of fucking spoke up.
I read an article last night and the dude who was dating his ex girl
said he got tons of threats, pics of guns, and the punk ass kid
even gave him a chase holding pencils like daggers like he wanted
 to stab the shit outta him and he still didnt take him serious enough
to speak up.  All the kids said they knew if something like that
happened he would be the cause of it. How many fucking clues did
these kids need to finally tell someone oh hey mom, or principal
or sherrif, this guy is threating me and sending me pics of weapons
I think you should go check it out.

They need to seriously ramp up the background check and take time
with it, oh and the punk ass school officer they had on site..he should
of did his job.

Stricter laws wont stop shit from happening thou, people will always
find a way to kill if they want but its a start to at least cut down the
number of people who own such weapons. 

I love the m-16 and m-4 but I know proper muzzle awareness, I was
trained how to properly load, unload, clean and store the weapon.
And I wouldn't ever point my gun at a target I dont intend on shooting
including innocent people I'm not a dumbass suicidal idiot so why
should I be punished if I wanted to own one?

I personally want one at home for protection, for shooting targets at
the range and maybe for hunting.  I wouldn't mind having to wait
a year and have to take mental examinations before and after I own
it just to prove I'm not a threat to society.
   
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Foobs on February 23, 2018, 05:03:34 pm
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The FBI ignored a tip last month that accused Parkland, Florida, school killer Nikolas Cruz was at risk of committing a school shooting and has opened an investigation into what went wrong, the agency said Friday.

“On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him,” the FBI said in a news release. “The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 23, 2018, 05:28:58 pm
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The FBI ignored a tip last month that accused Parkland, Florida, school killer Nikolas Cruz was at risk of committing a school shooting and has opened an investigation into what went wrong, the agency said Friday.

“On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him,” the FBI said in a news release. “The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting."

FBI fucked up too, but more people should of spoke up as well.
I personally dont trust the FBI thou because they have done
shady shit in the past.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: inktrebuchet on February 23, 2018, 05:48:52 pm
It's insane to me that are society has to even talk about this. It's year 2018, we are advanced enough to harness most things on earth for power, even making strides to leave earth.

But some how there are still people that "need" guns, and will fight to keep them. In a lot of ways we are not that advanced at all.

But what do I know. I'm a robot that sees things black and white.


New campaign:
Keep the guns, outlaw the ammunition?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 06:20:54 pm
Everybody screwed up when it comes to the Florida shooter. The students, the teachers, the FBI, even the sheriff's department. 30+ calls to his house for bad behavior in a years time is a clear sign of a problem. But nothing will keep people from getting what they want. There is no law that can be passed to stop people from killing people. It will never happen. You can use a truck to mow down dozens and dozens of people at a pep rally with ease. And back up over them to make sure they're dead. Any law congress passes won't work.

More severe punishments for crime would help. Did you know most of our punishments for gun crimes date back to the 50's. The number of gun laws passed in the last decade alone is staggering but no changes whatsoever have been made to the punishments for breaking those laws. Kind of stupid. I could kill one of you with a gun and get out in 5 years. That's insane. More severe punishments and getting rid of gun free zones is the way to go. Murderers like soft targets. Easy targets. Even that crazy white dude that shot up that church not too long ago ran when he saw that one of the church goers went to their vehicle and brought back their own gun. He didn't even try to fight him. He just ran. Why? Because they're all cowards.

@ ink - Needing to protect yourself does not mean we are not advanced. There's never gonna be a perfect world where everybody is enlightened and live among each other peacefully. We are advanced but we still have idiots among us. Sad but true.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on February 23, 2018, 06:53:25 pm
http://fortune.com/2018/02/23/donald-trump-video-game-violence/
For Christ's sake if it's not Hillary it's Trump now assaulting our good games. LEAVE THE GAMERS ALONE.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 07:01:35 pm
http://fortune.com/2018/02/23/donald-trump-video-game-violence/
For Christ's sake if it's not Hillary it's Trump now assaulting our good games. LEAVE THE GAMERS ALONE.

Definitely something I disagree with that Trump has said. But on the other hand he does make a good point.

Sex = not cool for kids
Violence = cool for kids

Kind of weird. Of course it's the parents job to monitor their kids in the end. I think violence tends to be ok for kids because basically violence is a part of life. Even Mario has violence in it. It's the basis for a good adventure game, movie, or book. It is what it is. Nothing will come of this. 1st amendment protects violent games.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on February 23, 2018, 07:14:37 pm
Thing is we are human. We like sex, we like violence and despite any sort of peace we are violent in our own way imaginable, and even with the midst of it all we have responsible people that know which is right from wrong, real or fake. I just do not understand how or even why people would be so stupid to not realize that maybe, just maybe it's not tools we use or even the entertainment we enjoy, but the person themselves. It was stated in games, movies, even books and we as intelligent homosapiens along with the majority of the species does not listen, let alone care about the moral of the story?
I get it's the parent's responsibility to make sure their kids are raised right, but in reality of this, even back in the 90s, you will get certain ones that just do not care about these sort of things and let the kid play Mortal Kombat or even bloodier/sexier games like Darkstalkers, Doom, etc. , and the kids came out OK. They didn't go rally about in violent rampage like they do in GTA because they know it's fake, a game, ENTERTAINMENT. why do we as movie lovers, gamers, and overall people in general need to have our stuff be censored/nerfed even harder because little anti-social depression guy decides to do so arguably retarded in Real life because of his/her FEELINGS, but will not even admit to feelings and instead PLAY THE BLAME GAME..
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 07:20:07 pm
Thing is we are human. We like sex, we like violence and despite any sort of peace we are violent in our own way imaginable. I just do not understand how or even why people would be so stupid to not realize that maybe, just maybe it's not tools we use or even the entertainment we enjoy, but the person themselves. It was stated in games, movies, even books and we as over-intelligent apes and the majority of the species does not listen, let alone care about the moral?
I get it's the parent's responsibility but in reality of this, even back in the 90s, you will get certain ones that just do not care about these sort of things and let the kid play Mortal Kombat, and the kids came out OK. They didn't go rally about in violent protests like they do in GTA because you know it's fake, a game, ENTERTAINMENT. why do we as movie lovers, gamers, and overall people in general need to have our stuff be censored/nerfed even harder because little anti-social depression guy decides to do so arguably retarded in Real life because of his/her FEELINGS, but will not even admit to feelings and instead PLAY THE BLAME GAME..

I get where you're coming from. Same argument can go towards me owning my Saiga12 with a 20 round drum. Why can't I have that just because of some idiot who can't control himself. Punish them not me. BTW I was one of those 90's kids. DOOM forever!!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on February 23, 2018, 07:37:27 pm
Born in 92 but I was proud of being a nostalgic little kid. I know my parents raised me right because I know past tech that "Millennials" look at funny now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 08:29:51 pm
Born in 83 so you know I know about the past tech.

I think all this gun control and media censorship boils down to not wanting to blame the people that need blaming. And as far as Trump bringing up the age old video games and movies are to blame slogan, that's what older generations tend to see on both sides of the political scene. Video games were never a big part of their lives. The guys 70 years old. I could see this coming from a mile away because it's not the first time. History repeating itself.

But on top of that as far as gun control goes, this is just a big push by the democrats to get as many Republicans out of their seats come November. It's all political and a big waste of this country's time. If the Democrats had an actual plan to help this country policy wise instead of trying to smear the opposing party to get their power back we wouldn't see any of this. But this is all they got. So here we are.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 23, 2018, 09:31:59 pm
I dont think a school or a church, a place where you go to pray, is the place to bring gun. There is already problem with cops shooting people ''by accident'' imagine how stressfull it would be for a teacher also imagine just how shitty the atmosphere would be in school if teacher were to have gun. Teacher are already struggling with enough problem. I also find it pretty disgusting how badly Trump is defending the NRA and instead blaming video games
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 09:40:10 pm
NRA has nothing to do with this. Explain how they are if you have facts that I don't know about.

He's not blaming video games. It's just something he thought needed to be brought up. Again this has been done before and nothing will come of it. 1st amendment remember.

We carry in my church. Peaceful as can be.

And how would arming a teacher make their job worse? Why would the atmosphere be worse if students knew their teacher was armed? If this were true then the teacher was already a problem.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 23, 2018, 09:47:29 pm
You do know how stressfull class can be for teacher right? There's already incident with cops shooting people by accident or because they were scared. Pretty sure it would be even worst for teachers. Class is already a stressfull environment and is just not the place for guns. Also pretty sure that saying video games are part of the problem is blaming video games
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/966742099436752896
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At meeting on school safety, President Trump says violence in video games and movies is responsible for shaping young people’s thoughts: “We have to do something about maybe what they’re seeing”
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 23, 2018, 10:01:34 pm
I disagree completely. Mental and background checks will surely be made on these teachers wanting to carry. A school in Ohio is already implementing this and will surely be the example that many other schools will follow. It's not like they're gonna let just any teacher carry.

And he never said video games were the problem. It was just something we should look into. Same old same old from presidents and politicians. If he didn't say something about it they'd been all over him about it.

Have a good weekend.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Niitris on February 23, 2018, 10:11:53 pm
I'm seriously wondering when did so many people gain this belief that more guns in schools would deter attackers? Crazy people don't think under normal people's logic, the attacker would've very much went there for reasons that have nothing to do with it being a gun-free zone or not. Besides, most attackers expect to die once they've finished performing their attack. This isn't getting to the fact that students (90% of the people who make up the premises) cannot bear arms for obvious reasons.

And less guns/more laws won't stop mass attacks by any stretch. People would be surprised at what one can pull off with insanity and a little imagination, but people posted about that already. Where gun control talk is needed most are the places with the most violence. The 20 biggest cities account for about 30-40% of all gun homicides, and a little over that number in assault with a firearm. They make up around 10% of the population I should add.

The US is basically a collection of countries (totaling 330 million people) with different sensitivities. Wyoming is a middle-of-nowhere state (over half of which having no wi-fi) where the closest police station could be 20-30 miles away from you. I could actually see why such a place would be fine with allowing concealed carry in public schools. You can't just make gun laws that blanket them with say... Los Angeles, California. I can safely tell you that allowing teachers to carry in a NYC school would 1. Not help in protecting anyone and 2. Open the possibility of all kinds of disaster. Disaster is putting it generously, you'd be exposing teachers to the danger of dumbass delinquents who have not a lick of common sense.

I'm all for gun reform in some way, it clearly needs to happen. I don't like how much sway the NRA has via lobbying, but that can be said about most things within the government. And I do think that mental health needs to be taken more seriously to stop unfit people from purchasing firearms with such ease. Though that won't stop them from finding other methods. I'm not an expert by any stretch, but it's a complex issue which would've been resolved by now if it were so simple.

Edit: Yeah pretty much.
VV
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 23, 2018, 11:39:06 pm
The "tell the federal govt. to fuck off, let the states fix their problems individually" philosophy applies well there;
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Gennos on February 24, 2018, 09:08:15 am
We carry in my church. Peaceful as can be.
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Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 25, 2018, 06:20:24 am
So I guess thats Trump plan
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/967472757025001472
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Armed Educators (and trusted people who work within a school) love our students and will protect them. Very smart people. Must be firearms adept & have annual training. Should get yearly bonus. Shootings will not happen again - a big & very inexpensive deterrent. Up to States.

Will the training and weapons cost be covered by the school? Will the teacher have to keep their gun visible to the class? He said others trusted people does that mean armed guards will be posted in class? This is honestly pretty crazy to think about. I dont think any students would be confortable seeing their teacher with a gun
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 06:35:44 am
Why not have some armed guards or police officers at the
entrances with metal detectors, all other doors locked.
You pass thru the metal detectors and then the main door
unlocks so you can get yo ass to class.  Main doors dont unlock
until your good to proceed. Someone in the inside controls
the door locks after the officer on the outside says so.

No need to have all teachers with guns, just the officers outside.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Gennos on February 25, 2018, 10:54:59 am
he's trying to solve a problem by creating a bigger problem.
as i said before, a suicidal maniac will attack the school regardless of wither there will be armed personal or not, the only difference now is that instead of just the school shooter killing students, now you will have to add the casualties that will get caught in the cross fire to the body count. even police officers panic when faced with shootouts and friendly fire was not that uncommon in those situations.
we didn't even put into consideration the mishandling of the weapon or the weapon itself being a reason for another massacre by either a teacher or by student who was able to steal it from one.
its just a horrible horrible idea that was thought up by an idiot.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 02:26:43 pm
Why not have some armed guards or police officers at the
entrances with metal detectors, all other doors locked.
You pass thru the metal detectors and then the main door
unlocks so you can get yo ass to class.  Main doors dont unlock
until your good to proceed. Someone in the inside controls
the door locks after the officer on the outside says so.

No need to have all teachers with guns, just the officers outside.

Ignoring how inconceivably barbaric this "solution" is for the moment, it's already been proven to not work by this exact incident.  There were four armed deputies outside of the school, and not one of them entered the school to help (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html) until nearly five minutes after the shooting started.

The "good guy with a gun" is a myth.  This is the kind of faulty logic dreamed up by right-wing gun nuts who fantasize about being a real life John McClane or Rambo.  The kind of people who'd rather let other people die than give up on their twisted macho power fantasy.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 25, 2018, 03:13:06 pm
Why not have some armed guards or police officers at the
entrances with metal detectors, all other doors locked.
You pass thru the metal detectors and then the main door
unlocks so you can get yo ass to class.  Main doors dont unlock
until your good to proceed. Someone in the inside controls
the door locks after the officer on the outside says so.

No need to have all teachers with guns, just the officers outside.

i agree ,  i actually went to school that hire armed security guards.

our schools are pretty strict when it comes to guests and visitors , you need an id and guards are usually stationed in the front gate.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 03:34:00 pm
Why not have some armed guards or police officers at the
entrances with metal detectors, all other doors locked.
You pass thru the metal detectors and then the main door
unlocks so you can get yo ass to class.  Main doors dont unlock
until your good to proceed. Someone in the inside controls
the door locks after the officer on the outside says so.

No need to have all teachers with guns, just the officers outside.

Ignoring how inconceivably barbaric this "solution" is for the moment, it's already been proven to not work by this exact incident.  There were four armed deputies outside of the school, and not one of them entered the school to help (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html) until nearly five minutes after the shooting started.

The "good guy with a gun" is a myth.  This is the kind of faulty logic dreamed up by right-wing gun nuts who fantasize about being a real life John McClane or Rambo.  The kind of people who'd rather let other people die than give up on their twisted macho power fantasy.

Dude this school didnt have metal detectors and locking doors
like I mentioned at all, and those guards were a bunch of
selfish punks.  The president has secret service agents that would
jump in front of bullets for him and these kids should too.
Actually these kids should be of higher priority since they are
our future generation.  They need to hire guards or police to
pull watch on schools who would take care of these kids as
if they were there own. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Niitris on February 25, 2018, 03:38:51 pm
The Sutherland Church shooting alone is evidence enough that it isn't "some myth." There's no telling what more the attacker could've gotten away with if there wasn't someone there to stop him.

I went to a school in Harlem and they had metal detectors to walk through. It was a better school than the average so we didn't have as many bad students making school grounds feel unsafe and whatnot. I know of many instances (some from the news, others from friends and family) about conflict in these schools that don't involve weapons. No one there is concerned about some crazy person lighting it up, they're concerned about the many trouble students (literally tons of them) well, causing trouble.

Some states allow for concealed carry in college campuses. It wouldn't deter mass attacks if I had to guess, but having "unofficial officers" littered around the campus doesn't sound like a bad idea to me in case shit went down. Of course that would never be the case in public schools where all students are underaged.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 03:41:44 pm
Maybe I'm the crazy one here, but treating a children's educational institution as if it were military compound in the middle of an active warzone is the type of solution that only a complete psychopath would come up with.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 03:50:24 pm
Maybe I'm the crazy one here, but treating a children's educational institution as if it were military compound in the middle of an active warzone is the type of solution that only a complete psychopath would come up with.

Well we really have no choice now, theres a worse type of psychopath
that wants to turn our schools into a war zone.  I know your anti trump
and your probably gonna go against anything he decides but forget
who's president for the moment and just think of where you'll prefer
your child to go to school, an easy to enter building or a secure one
where at the most the killer can probably only kill the guards outside
and not your 3rd grader or 9th grader or whatever age?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 03:59:52 pm
Or we just make it so that nobody in this situation has guns in the first place.  If we're talking about preferred body counts, I'd go with zero.

The long and short of it is that guns are made to kill and injure people.  It is literally the only reason these objects exist in the world.  There is no other practical application for guns.  The only reason anyone carries a firearm is because they expect to have to use it to kill or injure a person.  It's base common sense that these things should be heavily regulated, much more so than they are now.  For fuck's sake, it's easier to get a potential murder weapon in this country that it is to get a car or a bank loan. 

The only sane solution is much, much stricter gun control, but that gets in the way of republicans' dreams of starring in their own personal action movie, so they won't let it happen.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 25, 2018, 04:00:12 pm
Maybe I'm the crazy one here, but treating a children's educational institution as if it were military compound in the middle of an active warzone is the type of solution that only a complete psychopath would come up with.

it worked for us , though we didn't have any school shooting incident , most public schools are open campuses but private and exclusive schools are heavily guarded.

usa is a different culture and very different behavior  maybe arming their schools is the solution.  either that or have tighter gun laws. the latter worked for the UK.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Prime SC on February 25, 2018, 04:10:27 pm
js probably wouldnt of happened if he didnt sign this last year https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 04:11:01 pm
Or we just make it so that nobody in this situation has guns in the first place.  If we're talking about preferred body counts, I'd go with zero.

The long and short of it is that guns are made to kill and injure people.  It is literally the only reason these objects exist in the world.  There is no other practical application for guns.  The only reason anyone carries a firearm is because they expect to have to use it to kill or injure a person.  It's base common sense that these things should be heavily regulated, much more so than they are now.  For fuck's sake, it's easier to get a potential murder weapon in this country that it is to get a car or a bank loan. 

The only sane solution is much, much stricter gun control, but that gets in the way of republicans' dreams of starring in their own personal action movie, so they won't let it happen.

They definitely should be regulated alot more strictly I agree, but
even then if a person really wants one they will find a way to own
one regardless. Its to easy to find  dirty weapons on the streets, the
black market for guns is huge, theres more firearms in existence in the
USA than the whole population of human beings on earth and that's
scary to think theres more things out there that can kill us than us!

Its literally impossible for the government to cease them all at this point
a couple million of them would fall thru the cracks and end up on
the black market.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 04:16:31 pm
The idea of "we don't need gun control laws because people will still get guns if they want them" is not an argument against gun control, it's an argument against the very concept of law.

"There's no point in having larceny laws, because people will still steal things if they really want to."

"There's no point in having drug laws, because people will still sell drugs if they really want to."

"There's no point in having homicide laws, because people will still kill people if they really want to."

See how asinine that reasoning sounds when you apply it to literally anything other than gun control?  Just because people would attempt to break the law doesn't mean that we shouldn't even bother trying to stop them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 04:25:17 pm
The idea of "we don't need gun control laws because people will still get guns if they want them" is not an argument against gun control, it's an argument against the very concept of law.

"There's no point in having larceny laws, because people will still steal things if they really want to."

"There's no point in having drug laws, because people will still sell drugs if they really want to."

"There's no point in having homicide laws, because people will still kill people if they really want to."

See how asinine that reasoning sounds when you apply it to literally anything other than gun control?  Just because people would attempt to break the law doesn't mean that we shouldn't even bother trying to stop them.

You read my first sentence right? Because I never said "theres no point" lol
I'm saying that even with stricter laws criminals will find a way to get them
and that's reality.  I know a ton of felons and ex cons that would never
be able to step foot in a gun shop but are heavily armed with guns that
have serial numbers scratched off.

I'm all down for harder laws but its not gonna do much but make the next
wannabe killer pay a visit to his local hood instead of pops gun shop.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 25, 2018, 04:34:58 pm
.... So you're saying laws are useless. This is exactly what you're saying.
either that or have tighter gun laws. the latter worked for the UK.
Not to mention pretty much all other first world countries.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 04:49:51 pm
You read my first sentence right? Because I never said "theres no point" lol
I'm saying that even with stricter laws criminals will find a way to get them
and that's reality.  I know a ton of felons and ex cons that would never
be able to step foot in a gun shop but are heavily armed with guns that
have serial numbers scratched off.

I'm all down for harder laws but its not gonna do much but make the next
wannabe killer pay a visit to his local hood instead of pops gun shop.

So you're saying that you advocate for just giving up entirely?  That because criminals commit crimes, we shouldn't bother having any laws in the first place?  I don't get what the point you're trying to make is.

The first step is making it impossible for these types of people to obtain guns legally, then start cracking down hard on illegal activity.  The argument was made earlier that these shooters are cowards, so isn't it just as likely that they'll think twice if they have to turn to hoods and drug dealers to get the guns they're looking for instead of just casually strolling into a Wal-Mart?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Foobs on February 25, 2018, 05:03:49 pm
Laws work in two ways:

1) they deter crime by making the average person think "oh, the benefits of doing this illegal activity don't outweigh the cost of getting caught and suffering punishment".
2) they stop people that have *already* committed crime from doing so again, at least temporarily (i.e. prison time).

These two don't work on school shooters. These people don't operate under regular logic because they don't have anything to lose, their lives are pure shit. That's why the vast majority of shooters an hero themselves before the cops even make visual contact with them. Do you honestly think the possibility of getting caught while buying weapons and paying a 5,000 USD fine and/or spending a year in jail is really going to scare away someone who already plans to blow his brains out?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 05:16:00 pm
You read my first sentence right? Because I never said "theres no point" lol
I'm saying that even with stricter laws criminals will find a way to get them
and that's reality.  I know a ton of felons and ex cons that would never
be able to step foot in a gun shop but are heavily armed with guns that
have serial numbers scratched off.

I'm all down for harder laws but its not gonna do much but make the next
wannabe killer pay a visit to his local hood instead of pops gun shop.

So you're saying that you advocate for just giving up entirely?  That because criminals commit crimes, we shouldn't bother having any laws in the first place?  I don't get what the point you're trying to make is.

The first step is making it impossible for these types of people to obtain guns legally, then start cracking down hard on illegal activity.  The argument was made earlier that these shooters are cowards, so isn't it just as likely that they'll think twice if they have to turn to hoods and drug dealers to get the guns they're looking for instead of just casually strolling into a Wal-Mart?

.... So you're saying laws are useless. This is exactly what you're saying.
either that or have tighter gun laws. the latter worked for the UK.
Not to mention pretty much all other first world countries.

Ok either both of you are..

A) retarded
B) dont know how to read proper English
C) both

You didn't read what ive been saying? Ive never said
laws are useless, I said I'm down for more laws but
its still not gonna stop criminals from finding a way
to get them!

Criminals dont give a fuck about laws, hence why we
call them criminals.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 05:26:25 pm
So what exactly is your point then?  You say you don't think laws are useless but then in the exact same sentence you say that you don't believe laws will do anything.

Laws work in two ways:

1) they deter crime by making the average person think "oh, the benefits of doing this illegal activity don't outweigh the cost of getting caught and suffering punishment".
2) they stop people that have *already* committed crime from doing so again, at least temporarily (i.e. prison time).

These two don't work on school shooters. These people don't operate under regular logic because they don't have anything to lose, their lives are pure shit. That's why the vast majority of shooters an hero themselves before the cops even make visual contact with them. Do you honestly think the possibility of getting caught while buying weapons and paying a 5,000 USD fine and/or spending a year in jail is really going to scare away someone who already plans to blow his brains out?

I'm saying it's a start.  This isn't some simple issue where one single action is going to magically solve everything forever.  But it would be taking the first step in the right direction.  This constant rhetoric of "why bother trying, it's not going to work, there's no point" when it's children's lives on the line is what's so utterly baffling to me.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 05:33:56 pm
So what exactly is your point then?  You say you don't think laws are useless but then in the exact same sentence you say that you don't believe laws will do anything.

Do shoplifting laws prevent theft? Do life sentences prevent murder?
More laws would be great because at least it would prevent a couple
of mentally ill citizens from obtaining them and that's great but a
handfull of them would slip thru the cracks by not purchasing them
the old fashion way.

the best way really to prevent a school shooting is to have officers
checking students before they enter a school building.
That's  100% foul proof way, feet on the ground checking everything.
I dont want our schools to look like military check points either but
nowadays I dont think we have a choice.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 05:50:44 pm
But we do have a choice:  To start making the steps to move away from this gun-centric culture we've created for ourselves.  The problem of there being too many guns in schools will never, by any stretch of the imagination, be solved by putting even more guns in schools.  It's only going to lead to more violence and more deaths.  We have to stop creating a country where firearms have more rights and are treated with more respect than human beings.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 06:08:14 pm
But we do have a choice:  To start making the steps to move away from this gun-centric culture we've created for ourselves.  The problem of there being too many guns in schools will never, by any stretch of the imagination, be solved by putting even more guns in schools.  It's only going to lead to more violence and more deaths.  We have to stop creating a country where firearms have more rights and are treated with more respect than human beings.

That's the point of having officers checking students, to prevent
the guns from making it inside.  Its a good idea to move away from
our gun loving culture but that's not something me or you will
live long enough to happen.

The steps can be started now but the USA wont be gun free for at least a
couple generations ahead of us. Once we are all gone and dead,
with our old ideology of guns and a new generation is in place with
a totally different mindset about guns. That has to start now though,
parents, teachers and anybody else kids look up to need to start
putting these ideas into they're heads so they can pass it on to they're
own and keep planting that seed over and over until its reality
because right now its not feasible to confiscate all guns.
You still have the NRA and millions of gun owners alive that would
not give them up no matter what.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2018, 06:58:44 pm
I completely agree with your sentiment there, but I still don't think turning schools into police states is the way to go.  Those same resources would be better spent on tracking down and stopping the illegal arms trades we know are going on rather than preemptively treating all schoolchildren as potential criminals.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 25, 2018, 08:49:48 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-shooting-survivor-tells-nra-130642934.html

This kid was thinking the same thing I was just talking about,
he told the NRA "we will out live you". The steps have already
begun just with his statement alone.

That's what future generations need right there so when they are old
enough to take positions of power away from the old guard they can
make changes to stop the madness.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 26, 2018, 10:59:15 am
why not bring back cat. train people how to use fire arms , teach people while they are young the responsibility of owning a gun.

singapore , S.K. switzerland and i think finland implements strict gun laws while being part of the most gun owners and lowest firearm homicides in the world.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 03:15:47 pm
Sorry Memo but the gun culture will never go away in this country. For every 1 kid taught that guns are bad and have no part in a civilized society there are 10 times more kids being taught that guns are a tool and can be used for good such as protection. Guns are a huge part of this country's history. You can teach kids all day long that guns are not necessary but the moment they see one being used by security guards protecting the president of the US that logic goes out the door. "If they were so bad how come cops use them?" they'll ask. Guns will never go away. Ever. You have 100's of years to make up for. This is a gun loving country and that will never change. That kid will never out live the NRA.

地獄の花 has the right idea. But like I've said before this country needs a change in the way we see life. We're all sitting here talking about guns killing kids but nobody is talking about all the babies that get aborted. Why is that? Why don't more people get loud about abortions? Does that not matter? Is that not important? People in the US in general have lost sight of how precious life is. Probably due to the fact that this country as a whole has put God on the back burner.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on February 26, 2018, 04:01:19 pm
Yeah, you don’t really get to talk about how precious life is after writing a giant rambling paragraph about how you think guns deserve more rights and protection than people do.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 04:49:28 pm
Wow. I'm surprised you didn't call me a racist bigot Nazi. How in the world did you get that out of what I said? And you still didn't acknowledge abortion.

Here's the real problem that caused the Florida shooting: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/26/sheriff-scott-israel-battling-calls-to-resign-as-blame-shifts-in-wake-florida-high-school-shooting.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 04:53:15 pm
but the moment they see one being used by security guards protecting the president of the US that logic goes out the door. "If they were so bad how come cops use them?" they'll ask.
And why exactly can't they get the same answer as all the other countries where guns are regulated and the leader / president / king is still protected
Educate parents and kids properly and guns will disappear just like everywhere else.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 04:58:36 pm
Guns are regulated in the US. Criminals don't care.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 06:10:57 pm
Guns are regulated in other countries and yet there's nowhere near as much gun violence. Why is it just the US where "criminals don't care about laws and they'll get guns anyway"
There are criminals in countries like the UK, France, Australia, there are illegal guns too, there are gun-related crimes and deaths too, and yet there's no mass shooting like the US, and nowhere near as much gun violence. Explain.

Saying criminals don't care about laws is just admitting that laws are useless and you might as well not bother making any. And that's fucking dumb.
You make the law even if criminals don't care, and one day, crime will go down.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 06:49:45 pm
What you just said is what I've been trying to point out. Guns are not the issue. There's an underlying problem in the US. There's a mental and spiritual breakdown in this country. Mass murder will continue with or without guns. Guns just make it easier. But like I pointed out last week explosives are worse of all. If guns were suddenly gone then those psychos would just make home made explosives. We have laws Byakko. We have laws for everything wrong. They're not working. That's why I suggested more severe punishment for breaking those laws.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 06:52:57 pm
If guns were suddenly gone then those psychos would just make home made explosives.
1- they wouldn't
2- it would happen far less often than mass shootings
3- it would kill less people unless someone somehow manages to plant bombs in an entire building to make it collapse
4- other countries that have actual gun regulation still don't have that kind of attacks, so no.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 07:49:50 pm
We're not talking about other countries. We're talking about the US. Did you not see the link I posted a little ways back about the deadliest school massacre. Explosives were used. And they were detonated in a truck in a parking lot.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 26, 2018, 07:53:58 pm
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The NRA and the GOP proposed a law that would create statutory federal minimum jail time for someone caught with an illegal gun. The Democrats opposed it because they said it was racist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile

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it takes two sides to get a succesful negotiation.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 08:30:14 pm
We're not talking about other countries. We're talking about the US.
And I'm telling you about other countries. The US aren't a special little snowflake where things that work everywhere else won't work just because.

Did you not see the link I posted a little ways back about the deadliest school massacre. Explosives were used. And they were detonated in a truck in a parking lot.
And how many times has that happened compared to mass shootings
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 08:36:45 pm
@ Mami - Yes it does. We need harsh penalties for breaking laws. Criminals need to know breaking them will result in suffering. We don't need more laws we just need to uphold the ones we have now and punish severely. And we need to get rid of lawmen who can't do their jobs like that loser democrat sheriff in Florida.

@ Byakko - Other countries don't have a constitution like us. Its' not a right to own a gun like it is here. So quit referring to other countries. It's pointless. Like I said guns are easier to use because you can get them anywhere. Legally and illegally. Take them away and crazies will find other ways to kill lots of people. You act like taking guns away will drop the murder count significantly but it won't. Mass murderers will find another way to get the job done. Something else will take the place of guns. Taking away their preferred way to kill won't take them away. They still have a motive so they'll just find a different tool.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Niitris on February 26, 2018, 08:43:32 pm
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The NRA and the GOP proposed a law that would create statutory federal minimum jail time for someone caught with an illegal gun. The Democrats opposed it because they said it was racist.

This is the other element the gets neglected when it comes to gun talk. There are a lot of people out there saying "we need more gun laws" yet when it comes to taking action on illegal possession (certainly in cities) it turns into a race issue. "It's not right to do this because it effects the black community more than anyone," as if we should put feelings over the safety of others, could be said about both parties of course. At least the drug crime issue can be argued as a thinly veiled ploy for mass incarceration, funny how white families now want drug crime penalties to be softer because of the heroin crisis.

I'm digressing though; more laws will only do but so much to stop mass shootings. A recent plot was thwarted in California, and that one involved a 17 year old who was gonna use the guns owned by his brother, in which one of them was legally owned. As long as a suicidal person can find a family member who has weapons or have easy access via the dark market, all it takes is a little persistence and they'll find a way to gun people down.

The only way I know of to really lower the chances of these attacks is if what the US does what Australia did in 1996 after they had a mass shooting, and destroy the surplus of guns in abundance. I think we all know the chances of that happening though, and I'm not even sure how successful that would be since Australia has a much smaller populace and doesn't have notorious drug cartels right below them. Of course there's no way the results would be worse than the status quo.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 08:44:41 pm
Like I said guns are easier to use because you can get them anywhere. Legally and illegally.
I already talked about that. It's not an excuse to not make laws.
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You act like taking guns away will drop the murder count significantly but it won't.
That's just a lie you tell yourself.
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Mass murderers will find another way to get the job done. Something else will take the place of guns. Taking away their preferred way to kill won't take them away. They still have a motive so they'll just find a different tool.
And yet it doesn't happen anywhere else ! So what, does no other country have crazy people who want to be mass murderers, is it only guns that turn people in the US into mass murderers and then even if you take away the guns they're still mass murderers and they'll use other tools ? Again, it's a lie you tell yourself to justify having guns.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 09:00:09 pm
"It's not an excuse to make laws." ?????

Are you dense or something? We have laws. LOTS OF GUN LAWS! They don't stop people from breaking them. What other laws do we need? Tell me? What other laws do we need? A gun ban? That'll work. We banned heroin and now we don't have a heroin problem anymore. We banned sex trafficking and now we don't have a problem with that anymore. Are you getting it? There's more to this then just passing laws or getting rid of guns. I can literally drive to my state's southern border and get anything I want. Anything. Laws mean nothing to criminals. We have laws and good people follow them. Evil people do not. So that's why I suggest severe punishment for breaking those laws need to be implemented.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 09:04:14 pm
And that's why everyone involved in the last dozen mass shootings or so all had illegal guns, right ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 09:16:46 pm
Not at all. A lot of the people that snapped and went on a rampage already owned a gun before they decided to kill. That's usually the case. But did the gun make them kill? No.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on February 26, 2018, 09:20:56 pm
Not at all. A lot of the people that snapped and went on a rampage already owned a gun before they decided to kill. That's usually the case.
... Yes, that's exactly the point I was making.
You don't have gun laws. You have laws that allow people to have guns, and you tell yourself that it's a good gun law, that you have LOTS OF GUN LAWS, and you don't need more laws about guns.
But did the gun make them kill? No.
Yes. Having the guns made them think it was a good idea. You just refuse to accept it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 26, 2018, 09:36:09 pm
The gun made them think it was a good idea? LOL You better stay away from guns. I wouldn't want them giving you any bad ideas. LOL
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Chronan on February 26, 2018, 11:57:19 pm
I think the point is it depends on the type of gun, TBQH.
Like a .357 doesn't make me want to shoot kids, but an AR15 does. It always seems like a good idea at the time.

Similarly whenever I hold a Glock 22 I have an urge to shoot at both armed and unarmed black men, and the one time I got to fire a TEC-9 I really felt like I needed to do a drive-by. Fuck any kind of scoped rifle though. That shit just makes bitches camp doors. Sniper pussies need to get fucked, fucking AWPs.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 27, 2018, 12:04:43 am
Pretty sure what byakko mean is that having access to the gun made it the decision of doing a mass killing easier. If they did not have access to any type of guns they would probably be less inclined to do a mass killing since it would be way harder with any other type of weapons
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 27, 2018, 09:58:05 am
The gun made them think it was a good idea? LOL You better stay away from guns. I wouldn't want them giving you any bad ideas. LOL

you just proven his point there.


let's say byakko is psychotic one testicled baby eater , in the US despite him being an awful insane individual he can still own a gun. what we're proposing isn't a total wipe out of guns what we need is a law that would define who are mentally healthy and no history of being unstable can only have the rights to own a gun. and you need training at least 1-2 months once a week training sessions. like taking a pilot license.

oh and you'd be surprise on how many countries have similarities or even a complete copy of the US constitution, my country's constitution is very identical to the US , both are the only two countries that allow bounty hunting too.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 27, 2018, 03:25:20 pm
I think the point is it depends on the type of gun, TBQH.
Like a .357 doesn't make me want to shoot kids, but an AR15 does. It always seems like a good idea at the time.

Similarly whenever I hold a Glock 22 I have an urge to shoot at both armed and unarmed black men, and the one time I got to fire a TEC-9 I really felt like I needed to do a drive-by. Fuck any kind of scoped rifle though. That shit just makes bitches camp doors. Sniper pussies need to get fucked, fucking AWPs.

This made my morning. Thank you.

@ 地獄の花 - I understand what you're saying and yes I agree we need a much better mental health check law then what Obama had implemented. That is something that is necessary and that is something Trump has already said will be implemented. But I still don't see any big changes coming from it. Just a few days ago a young kid was stopped from killing a lot of people. His plan was to take his brother's guns and do the job. So you see people who can't buy a gun will still get them if they can. But in no way do I think that kid's brother should be punished and have his right to arm himself taken away just because his brother is a loony. Still any kind of obstacle will help I guess. But I don't think a MH check will be the end all. Where did you say you were from again?

Check this dumb crap out: http://wfla.com/2018/02/24/students-claim-square-root-symbol-looks-like-gun-sparks-police-investigation/
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 27, 2018, 05:08:13 pm
imo he deserved to be punished , as a gun owner myself you make sure nobody else but yourself have an access to your guns.

obama never did implemented anything related or will affect to the US 2nd amendment, even the CDC is forbidden to study the effects and causes of gun violence. US congress bans them to do so.   so technically their guns have more rights than americans themselves lol.




Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Prime SC on February 27, 2018, 05:25:59 pm
in minnesota https://freemadd.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/action-alert-rep-linda-slocum-introduces-comprehensive-gun-control-bill-worst-in-years/
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 27, 2018, 05:50:27 pm
Something's going down at my kids' school right now. Wife's going to pick them up. Got a strange text from the school saying school will be let out early at 12:00 due to safety concerns. Nobody can talk but there's rumor of a threat to one of the campuses. I feel bad for anybody dumb enough to try something. Folks are locked and loaded everywhere around here.

Update: She got them. Headed home now. Praying nothing happens at the school.
Update2: http://www.kltv.com/story/37603604/troup-isd-to-release-students-after-social-media-threat
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 28, 2018, 06:37:27 am
So I guess the wall is still happening
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968704442110545923

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Big legal win today. U.S. judge sided with the Trump Administration and rejected the attempt to stop the government from building a great Border Wall on the Southern Border. Now this important project can go forward!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 03:02:11 pm
The walls been happening this whole time. They've got like 8 different types of sections that will be used along the border for different types of terrain and situations. It's gonna be YUGE!!

Update on yesterday's school shooting scare: It was all a prank. Supposedly they found out who actually did the prank but are not going to punish them. Which is completely stupid. How are we gonna get the point across that this crap has got to stop when people who play around like this get off with no punishment? At the upcoming PTA meeting they will be discussing the implementation of armed staff at the schools. So that's a good move IMO.

This is just stupid, had to share: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28/nyc-must-pay-180g-to-3-muslim-women-forced-to-remove-hijabs-for-mugshots.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 28, 2018, 03:14:28 pm
What's going to happen the 1st time a kid is shot when they don't actually have a gun? The more armed guards or staff the more chances that will happen.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 28, 2018, 04:10:17 pm
natural selection.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 04:21:35 pm
Why is it always negative with you guys? What about what's gonna happen when a psycho armed kid is actually stopped by an armed school staff member? That will more then likely happen way before an unarmed innocent kid is accidentally killed. Unarmed innocent people both adult and children can be accidentally killed at airports, banks, military bases, police stations, football games, and even theatres by armed security yet that doesn't stop those places from having gun toting security. There's more positives here then negatives. Way more.

You guys should look up stories about law abiding citizens who are armed that defended themselves against criminals. There are way more stories like that then innocent people getting killed by crazies or even accidentally. MSM doesn't talk about that though since they're part of this problem and want to keep that stuff under wraps.

In fact if you scroll down to the suicide section of this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Suicides
 you'll see that 63% of gun related deaths in the US back in 2013 were caused by suicides. Not homicides. I'm sure that number has increased since Trump got elected what with all the weak minded liberals losing even more of their minds. But nobody talks about this. They just throw it all into one big pile of gun deaths and never break it down. Mental illness is the actual problem. People in the US as a whole are mentally inadequate.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 28, 2018, 04:27:07 pm
Why is it always negative when someone says to remove guns? They will get guns somewhere else? But shootings in general will be less likely to happen if you can only get guns from underground rings.

I'm not an advocate for complete gun removal btw. I'm just showing you the flip side of what you are saying. You can't think armed guards will be a solution with fewer consequences while thinking gun removal wouldn't be.

And when you say "weak minded liberals" it just devolves to a propaganda pitch from you. You are now trying to blanket insult anyone that disagrees with you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 04:53:38 pm
You don't agree that liberals who scream at the sky or go on insane rants on youtube about how the country is going to die and blacks are going to be put in concentration camps now that Trump is president are weak minded? That's the very definition of weak minded. I'm not insulting anybody unless they are weak minded. If you're weak minded too bad.

What you're not getting is that guns are never going away. Ever. Never ever. So we have to work with what we got and arming more people in gun free zones, which are the primary targets for crazies, is the best thing to do. Period. Do you understand this? The 2nd amendment will always be there. It's never going away. 2/3 of the states have to agree to amend the constitution. Abolishing the 2nd amendment is a pipe dream. So now that you know this how can you not agree that arming more staff is the best option at this point? Just as 地獄の花 stated, his country has virtually the same constitution that the US has. And his country isn't nearly as big on mass shootings or gun crimes in general. There is another problem at hand. It's mental illness.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 28, 2018, 05:03:18 pm
i say let's try this proposal , if the american gov't and NRA doesn't want to accept their gun laws are utterly useless let's try arming the school , if it fails then we could just think of another solution.  what's another 20-40 dead kids anyway.

yes crime and gun violence will not go away , it's a given factor but seeing in other countries who implemented stricter gun laws , gun related violence drastically went down.  are you suggesting that it won't happen in the US? a better gun law will at least help reduce the weekly school shooting in america. i dunno probably twice a month but hey still an improvement.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on February 28, 2018, 05:16:10 pm
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087

I dont know how legit this site is but check this out.
If it passes we going back to revolvers since the bill
pretty much would ban any modern firearm
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 05:27:00 pm
@ 地獄の花 - How are you so sure arming school staff won't work? And what other gun laws do we need? We've got some strict laws as it is. Let's just wait and see.

@ Memo- I saw something about this. More stupidity from the Democrats. You do know that all this gun law/ban movement by the democrats is just a political move to remove as many republicans from their seats come November right? "If you vote Republican you've got the blood of children on your hands!" I can see the slogan now.

And in the long run another goal of theirs is to get the gun ban rolling as much as possible so that a win in 2020 for president would allow them less obstacles when they enact their communism. It's all under handed communist tactics. Plus did you guys know that the actual Communist party didn't put anybody up for election in 2016 like they normally do because they said Hillary's agenda was perfect for them. They loved it so much they backed her 100%. The Democratic party is the Communist party now.

Disarming the populace is usually the first step for fascism/socialism/communism/dictatorships/genocides. Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong all used this tactic. Makes sense.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 28, 2018, 05:34:12 pm
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You don't agree that liberals who scream at the sky or go on insane rants on youtube about how the country is going to die and blacks are going to be put in concentration camps now that Trump is president are weak minded? That's the very definition of weak minded. I'm not insulting anybody unless they are weak minded. If you're weak minded too bad.
I don't get why you're labeling at all TBH. It's weird to me how there are people that only seem to be concerned about crazies in 1 party. The way you focus so much on democrats and "libs" makes you come off as one of those. The same way there were all the idiots when Obama was president that thought Fema camps were shadow government facilities and he was going to declare martial law and give the USA to the Muslims. When all your arguments seem to insinuate one group has crazies and the other doesn't it makes them sound like propaganda.

And it gets easy to twist others to fit your criteria of crazy. As you already tried to do with me at the end there when I merely made 1 post you disagree with. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 05:38:33 pm
You're the one twisting things around. I never said only liberals were weak minded or crazies. I never said only democrats had crazies on their side. Where are you getting this from? And you're completely side stepping everything I've pointed out after I said weak minded liberals which I'm starting to group you with since your freaking out about how one sided I am. I never said you were weak minded. Are you? I just said if you are I don't care. There's crazies on all sides. There's weak minded people on all sides. There you happy now? Let's get back to the guns.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 28, 2018, 05:57:54 pm
I'm freaking out?

I'm trying to show you that you are doing things that make it hard to see you as more well centered or neutral. But since you want to keep going on the offense over it instead of just discussing I'll just leave you be.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on February 28, 2018, 06:21:45 pm
@ 地獄の花 - How are you so sure arming school staff won't work? And what other gun laws do we need? We've got some strict laws as it is. Let's just wait and see.

i'm not, i'm actually open to it.  it'll be better if they hire trained security guards. rather than arming teachers and staff. but it won't end there , lunatics who could easily own a gun would just target different area like i dunno parks and las vegas casino strip , and funny part about the last part is there are tons of security there and it didn't stopped that guy from shooting people.   next thing you know we'll be arguing whether to arm park goers or diners or coffee shops.

you need a comprehensive law that would prohibit people who are mentally deranged to have an access to weaponry.
just a few months ago a sjw girl almost shot people because of she got offended. and it was well documented how she got a gun and taking pictures of it, there's even comments on her facebook that people she knows are not comfortable her having a gun and brandishing it. and a week after she got arrested for threatening to shoot people while holding her gun.

there are data and proof that proper gun laws help decrease gun violence. proper back ground check , proper mental tests and proper training is needed.
alot of  people who own guns have no proper knowledge on what is a gun capable of and responsibilities of being a gun owner.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 06:45:52 pm
@ 地獄の花 - How are you so sure arming school staff won't work? And what other gun laws do we need? We've got some strict laws as it is. Let's just wait and see.

i'm not, i'm actually open to it.  it'll be better if they hire trained security guards. rather than arming teachers and staff. but it won't end there , lunatics who could easily own a gun would just target different area like i dunno parks and las vegas casino strip , and funny part about the last part is there are tons of security there and it didn't stopped that guy from shooting people.   next thing you know we'll be arguing whether to arm park goers or diners or coffee shops.

you need a comprehensive law that would prohibit people who are mentally deranged to have an access to weaponry.
just a few months ago a sjw girl almost shot people because of she got offended. and it was well documented how she got a gun and taking pictures of it, there's even comments on her facebook that people she knows are not comfortable her having a gun and brandishing it. and a week after she got arrested for threatening to shoot people while holding her gun.

there are data and proof that proper gun laws help decrease gun violence. proper back ground check , proper mental tests and proper training is needed.
alot of  people who own guns have no proper knowledge on what is a gun capable of and responsibilities of being a gun owner.

We're just going in circles here. I already said I agree with you and I already said Trump agrees with you too. I've already said mental illness is an issue in this country. Trump is all for a really good mental health check amendment to the background checks. So are we clear on this? It's probably going to happen.

I know a lot of liberals and democrats tend to champion Australia as the prime example of what a country can obtain from banning guns. But the fact is banning guns only decreases gun related homicides. Other crimes actually increase dramatically. And suicides aren't really affected by the gun ban either. Read this: https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/

@ Just No Point - I'm not centered. Anybody who is in the center is clueless as to what they really believe. But that doesn't mean I don't take into account all aspects of a situation. You can't get it through your head that guns are never going away. If you could finally grasp that concept then you would understand that we have to deal with these problems with that in mind.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 28, 2018, 08:08:53 pm
More from Mike Pence on Abortion and how it will end in our time
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/375852-pence-says-abortion-will-end-in-us-in-our-time

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Vice President Pence predicted Tuesday that legal abortion would end in the U.S. "in our time."

"I know in my heart of hearts this will be the generation that restores life in America," Pence said at a luncheon in Nashville, Tenn., hosted by the Susan B. Anthony List & Life Institute, an anti-abortion organization.

"If all of us do all we can, we can once again, in our time, restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 08:37:19 pm
I believe it. If Poland can do it so can we. This would help people realize just how precious life is once again. It won't do it 100% but it'll be a great start.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on February 28, 2018, 09:11:38 pm
How is ending abortion a good thing?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 09:39:14 pm
How is it not? You like killing babies? Not students but babies?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on February 28, 2018, 09:51:37 pm
I can see abortion being ok so long as it is still in the zygote-embryo stage. Once it's a fetus, just deal with the birth and place the baby for adoption if you don't want it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 10:04:46 pm
Well you see a baby is a human once it's conceived. It has it's own DNA the moment it is fertilized.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/life-begins-at-conception-science-teaches/

So killing them at any stage is wrong. Both science and God have my back on that. The Word of God even states that if you so much as corrupt a child you may as well hang a millstone from your neck and drown yourself. So you know the good Lord doesn't like hurting children in any way. Especially since He's the one giving them life.

On top of that the Declaration of Independence here in the US also has my back. It says that all men are created equal and that we all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When you kill a human being you are taking away those rights. Wrong no matter what. But that's in America.

Check this out: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/28/trump-to-announce-sweeping-gun-control-safe-schools-package.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Prime SC on February 28, 2018, 10:06:40 pm
people have the right to do what they want their bodies. Nobody should be able to tell someone else what they can and cant do with their bodies.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 10:09:10 pm
people have the right to do what they want their bodies. Nobody should be able to tell someone else what they can and cant do with their bodies.

Spoken like a true feminist. Tell me what do you have that backs anything you believe when it comes to abortion. I have Science, Religion, and the Unalienable Rights. What do you have? Big fat blue haired feminists. LOL
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Prime SC on February 28, 2018, 10:15:28 pm
im a black male, so u sound mental. Religion? 99% of that shit isnt even real. i just think anybody and everybody should be able to do what they want with their bodies.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 28, 2018, 10:24:05 pm
inb4 parasytes.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 10:54:11 pm
im a black male, so u sound mental. Religion? 99% of that shit isnt even real. i just think anybody and everybody should be able to do what they want with their bodies.

I don't care what you are you sound like a feminist. The baby conceived inside of the womb is not their body. I already showed you proof that once it's fertilized it has it's own DNA. Therefore it has it's own body no matter how small it is. It is not part of the female body. It only feeds off of her until it is ready to come out. So your belief is false. The baby is pretty much a parasite. It's own living organism. Once you start deciding whether or not a human life is worth allowing to live depending on how it is going to affect your life, you have become evil.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Prime SC on February 28, 2018, 10:58:31 pm
i stand by what i say.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on February 28, 2018, 11:02:43 pm
That's fair. I can respect your beliefs.

Check it out: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/28/trump-publicly-spars-with-republicans-over-concealed-carry-nra-influence-at-school-safety-session.html

See yall tomorrow. Be safe out there.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 28, 2018, 11:10:32 pm
The more I read about this the more "gun control laws" seem useless, for starters, the laws are already good, it's the fact that they are not enforced is what breaks everything. The cruz kid got a federal check and he just said he was mentally healthy to pass the mental health part of the test. Like the thinig I posted before about startes repelling laws that woudl punish people who illegally owned guns. it's pretty fuckign backwards, I expect  having good laws and being unable to enforce them from third world shithole countries like mexico,but a first world country being like that is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2018, 10:58:55 am
I can see abortion being ok so long as it is still in the zygote-embryo stage. Once it's a fetus, just deal with the birth and place the baby for adoption if you don't want it.

not a religious guy myself but i disagree , abortion will be abused by people who can't shut their legs. fetus or zygote it's still a potential human life we're talking about here.

mexico has the same problem right? one of our islands supply guns for israel in exchange we get to have a steady supply of arms.  there are rumors and stories about them dumping excess guns to america and mexico.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on March 01, 2018, 12:30:54 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-georgia-respond-shots-fired-high-school-174003843.html

geez this fucking idiot is proving we cant trust teacher's with guns now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Person Man on March 01, 2018, 12:55:22 pm
Yeah, it's almost like handing out deadly weapons to stressed and untrained civilians is a bad idea or something.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2018, 01:04:22 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-georgia-respond-shots-fired-high-school-174003843.html

geez this fucking idiot is proving we cant trust teacher's with guns now.

of course they can't be trusted , us teachers are paid less and most of them are in heavy debt. and they have to deal with students. that's why if ever they want to arm school they should either hire professional security guards or post at least one or two police officer.  i think schools should request police security from their mayor.

my aunt tried teaching in the US , texas after a semester she went back home and said it's the worst decision she ever did.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Niitris on March 01, 2018, 01:52:01 pm
Oh yeah, we can stop school shootings (twice a year occurrence at most) if we arm let's see, 3% (at most) of the people in the building. That'll stop some sicko from killing young people, no possible side effects or ramifications at all! And they say the left are the ones who put feelings over logic, lmao.

It was a stupid idea from the start, it really doesn't take a genius to see that. The only place where I can possibly understand allowing teachers to carry are rural communities that can't afford adequate security for their schools. Completely unnecessary everywhere else.

It was mentioned that the Dems are using this to rally support and regain control of Congress in 2018. I don't like either party since they're both horribly contaminated in some way. But if the Republicans can't respond to this in an adequate and rational manner, then maybe they shouldn't have any level of control in legislative. It's really that simple.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 03:22:12 pm
If you guys think that teacher shooting one kid in the ankle was an actual attack and not staged then you guys need to seriously wake up. This is all a plant. Trump suggests we arm certain staff members and then what happens not a week later, a teacher locks themselves and their kids in a room and ends up shooting one of them in the ankle. Freaking stupid. When was the last time a teacher attacked a school around here? If you follow that idiot through his trial I bet he get's a poor sentencing. I'm not even sure he was screened and given the right to carry in the school in the first place. So this doesn't take away from the plan to arm staff if that's the case.

This is like I said before a push for the Republican's seats come November. The Democrats got nothing but DACA and this to run on. Pathetic. Why weren't they screaming about gun control back when Obama was in office and they were running the house and the senate? They passed one bill that was supposed to end all this madness and they moved on. There were 14 school shootings in the 8 years Obama was in office. They don't care about kids. They just want votes. And the Republicans screaming about this are no better. They've had the house and senate for a while now. Now that the Dems are using this as a weapon for their seats they're jumping up and down now about gun control. Enforce the laws we already have.

You know why being a school teacher sucks in the US, because the Democrats run the teachers union. Seriously anything they touch turns to crap.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2018, 04:20:23 pm
still school staff shouldn't be armed, hire security guards or station a police officer. even private companies wouldn't arm their employees they hire professionals.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 04:38:02 pm
I do agree with you on that. I always thought ex military who still want a job in security would be best. What would be more noble then protecting children for a living with your combat skills? I'd jump on it. But they're supposed to be screening and selecting staff based on their backgrounds. Trump said staff with backgrounds in the armed forces are the ideal candidates. So he's not too far off from what we're suggesting.

Still doesn't this teacher freak out seem fishy to you? I mean he was in a room with kids and only one gets shot. And the shot is in the ankle? They heard multiple shots and the one that hit was in the ankle? Was he trying to use the bullet's splash damage or something by shooting at the kids feet? The timing, the poor shooting. Seems staged.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 04:38:21 pm
still school staff shouldn't be armed, hire security guards or station a police officer. even private companies wouldn't arm their employees they hire professionals.



Not really, tell that to convenience stores.
With how often school shootings happen, hiring private security guards is not economically viable, arming and training teachers is better.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2018, 04:48:32 pm
well convenience stores here hire security guards, i think they aren't armed though.

restaurants , pharmacies , fast food all hire security guards here , mostly they just do valet and parking attendant or escorts old ladies in and out of their cars.
and they act as GPS too lol.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 05:14:33 pm
Yeah I think that's the main issue with hiring soldiers. It's just not economically feasible. I think Trump's idea of appointing school staff with backgrounds in the armed forces is ideal. When I was in school a lot of teachers and coaches had military and police backgrounds. I'm sure there's just as many today.

Oh and 地獄の花 I completely agree with your stance on abortion. It's mainly for whores.

Non Whore Reasons for abortion rates:
rape 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)
incest 0.03 % (0.01-0.1 %)
physical life of mother 0.1 % (0.01-0.2 %)
physical health of mother 0.8 % (0.1-3 %)
fetal health 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)
mental health of mother ?? (0.1-8 %)

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

There's just not enough good instances to justify aborting babies. It totals up to 12.9%. And that's using the highest %'s. That means 87.1% of people that get an abortion are whores and need to learn to keep their legs closed.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 05:23:56 pm
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I'm Swiss. We have almost as many guns per household as the US. I probably have more guns than the average American.

My biggest regret is that we did not have a 2nd Amendment to protect us against political meddling. In 1999, they took away our right to carry guns as we see fit and since then, our violent crime rates have exploded. We now have at least 600% more violent crime than in 1998. And all this ... to please foreigners!

The only reason our rights were restricted was because our neighbors don't know the benefits of a gun culture.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 05:27:55 pm
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I'm Swiss. We have almost as many guns per household as the US. I probably have more guns than the average American.

My biggest regret is that we did not have a 2nd Amendment to protect us against political meddling. In 1999, they took away our right to carry guns as we see fit and since then, our violent crime rates have exploded. We now have at least 600% more violent crime than in 1998. And all this ... to please foreigners!

The only reason our rights were restricted was because our neighbors don't know the benefits of a gun culture.

Where's this from?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 05:54:14 pm
Swiss poster from quora.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 06:00:32 pm
Oh ok. And they say having the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves from the government is stupid because no other country has needed guns to defend themselves from their own government. They should look to the Swiss as well as Germany, Russia, China, or even Venezuela. And don't forget about North Korea. Oh and Africa. God help Africa.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 06:05:34 pm
I am more of the mind that we need guns to defend ourselves because when seconds count the cops are minutes away. that's particularly true of rural areas.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 06:34:17 pm
I agree with you 100% buddy. Protect your own.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2018, 06:43:29 pm
Yeah I think that's the main issue with hiring soldiers. It's just not economically feasible. I think Trump's idea of appointing school staff with backgrounds in the armed forces is ideal. When I was in school a lot of teachers and coaches had military and police backgrounds. I'm sure there's just as many today.

Oh and 地獄の花 I completely agree with your stance on abortion. It's mainly for whores.

Non Whore Reasons for abortion rates:
rape 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)
incest 0.03 % (0.01-0.1 %)
physical life of mother 0.1 % (0.01-0.2 %)
physical health of mother 0.8 % (0.1-3 %)
fetal health 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)
mental health of mother ?? (0.1-8 %)

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

There's just not enough good instances to justify aborting babies. It totals up to 12.9%. And that's using the highest %'s. That means 87.1% of people that get an abortion are whores and need to learn to keep their legs closed.

just place one on-duty officer or soldier if you like. that way you could save money.



physical life of mother
physical health of mother
fetal health

i think these are the most acceptable reason , if a doctor consider that continuing the pregnancy is too dangerous to the mother then yes abortion could be the answer but anything else imo should not be allowed. my own mother died after child birth, her health declined rapidly after she gave birth to my sister,  her kidney failed and having an operation in the state she was in was suicidal. doctors said it was preeclampsia but i call bullshit , preeclampsia only occur on the early stage of pregnancy not late or after.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 01, 2018, 07:03:03 pm
yeah I mean women who got raped and got pregnant from it should totally be punished with a 9+ month reminder of the traumatic event.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 07:07:40 pm
I can see your point. Those to me are also the best reasons for an abortion but I still don't support it. Like with your mom, really sad that happened to you, if she had an abortion to save herself you would have no sister. Your mom did what all good mom's do. Give up all she has for her children. That's a freaking hero. My wife said that she would do the same. If there was just a 1% chance that her baby could live but she would die she'd go through with it. She says she couldn't live with herself knowing that she sacrificed her baby for her own life. That goes for the rape issue too. My wife said she'd have the baby and give it up for adoption. It's not the baby's fault and everybody deserves a right to live. I bet your mom would do the same if given the option. Almost every single abortion case ends with extreme regret.

Again sorry about your mom. That's sad.

For your statement Whiplash it's too small of a percentage of cases to justify the killing of innocent children. Sorry. 0.6% is almost never. That's why it will be abolished in our lifetime just like Pence said.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Foobs on March 01, 2018, 07:42:19 pm
Banning abortion is retarded as all fuck. Abortion is a pragmatic tool for society that keeps crime and poverty on check.

You pro-lifers put the state in place where it has to spend more on gibmedats for impoverished single mothers and/or more funding for the abysmal foster care system, since next to nobody adopts. And regardless the result is more alienated and unhappy children that grow up into poor, maladjusted and even violent adults.

(this image has a very, very obvious bias towards women but gets the point across)

(https://i.imgur.com/uj7q08G.png)

The icing of the cake is that you people believe to have the high ground despite the fact you actively make shit worse for absolutely everyone.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 01, 2018, 07:45:33 pm
whores need to learn to keep their legs closed.
No. Eat shit.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 01, 2018, 07:46:38 pm
yeah I mean women who got raped and got pregnant from it should totally be punished with a 9+ month reminder of the traumatic event.



i understand what you mean , and i don't have a clear answer for that ... but that potential human being didn't commit the crime.

and i'm not shitting you but my grandmother told me that she was conceived from rape, it's probably common thing during the 30's.  and my great grand mother even told her that she did considered getting an abortion. if abortion was more acceptable back then i wouldn't even exist.

she grew up normally she was raised by my great grand mother well (single parent during the 20's how she manage it during that time period is unthinkable) , she had a daughter and 5 more adopted children.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 07:57:22 pm
whores need to learn to keep their legs closed.
No. Eat shit.

Good come back. Always a waste of time from you Byakko.

@ Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku - here's an idea, stop having sex before you're sure you're ready to take care of a child and before your absolutely sure your baby daddy isn't gonna skip town on you. In other words use your brain not your genitals. Dumb decisions are what makes life hard for people. Not people trying to do the right thing. You lay you pay.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 07:57:39 pm
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L: kill people so they don't become criminals

ok ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 01, 2018, 08:01:53 pm
Good come back. Always a waste of time from you Byakko.
It's still more constructive than your absolutely insane "sex is for whores who can't control themselves" rant that can't hide its raving need to control what people do because you don't like it. Your rants are going nowhere. You were talking earlier about something that's not going away - this is something that's not going away. Bigot lunacy is what's going away.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 08:06:43 pm
Good come back. Always a waste of time from you Byakko.
It's still more constructive than your absolutely insane "sex is for whores who can't control themselves" rant that can't hide its raving need to control what people do because you don't like it. Your rants are going nowhere. You were talking earlier about something that's not going away - this is something that's not going away. Bigot lunacy is what's going away.

Never said that. Try harder.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Foobs on March 01, 2018, 08:07:43 pm
@ Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku - here's an idea, stop having sex before you're sure you're ready to take care of a child and before your absolutely sure your baby daddy isn't gonna skip town on you. In other words use your brain not your genitals.

Heeeeeeeeeeey that's a genius idea! How come I never thought of that!?

Now tell me how do we enforce this individual choice into society in a way that isn't a sound failure. I'm all ears. Purity rings?

Dumb decisions are what makes life hard for people. Not people trying to do right thing. You lay you pay.

No, it's she lays and *you* and everyone else pays, unless she has access to abortion. The right decision is pretty obvious here.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 01, 2018, 08:13:58 pm
Never said that. Try harder.
87.1% of people that get an abortion are whores and need to learn to keep their legs closed.
Yeah, go and pretend that what you said was different. Act like your long list of numbers was totally not the same as calling women whores for having sex. Keep telling yourself that you walk the fine line of reason.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 08:28:06 pm
@ Byakko- No you said I said "sex is for whores who can't control themselves". Which I didn't. You even used little "" marks as if you copied it right out of the text I posted. So you're lying. Sex is for married couples. Period. That's what I would have said if we were talking about who sex was for.  We were not. If you have sex out of wedlock as a female you are a whore. If you have sex out of wedlock as a male you are a whore monger. Both are equally bad. If you are part of the 87.1% of females who have an abortion and you are not married you are a selfish whore. If you are part of the 87.1% who have an abortion and you are married you and your spouse are selfish murderers. That's not me that's biblical. Take it up with God. I hope I clarified that better for you.

@ Foobs - Bringing God and His teachings back would do the trick. You know there was a time when people had morals and spiritual power that guided them through life. A time when it was unheard of to have relations outside of a marriage. When it was a bad thing to be a single mom. I say we bring back prayer in school and put the emphasis back on God and not ourselves. That would fix the vast majority of the problems we face today. We wouldn't have to pay for some girl's bad decisions if her parent's would raise her right to begin with.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 01, 2018, 08:35:33 pm
Yeah Im sure prayer would fix everything even for non christian people
Jesus will make America great again
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 01, 2018, 08:39:33 pm
That's not me that's biblical. Take it up with God.
No, I'm taking it up with you because you're the one preaching around about who should do what if they're married or not, while quoting a book to evade all responsibility for what you say because you're only following your faith in someone else's words while preaching in hope that the laws of society change your way.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 01, 2018, 09:05:34 pm
Back on the Trump topic
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/969300010683850752
Quote
NEW: President Trump to meet with video game industry executives next week as part of ongoing debate over school safety.
Seems like he is going all in with video games
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Gennos on March 01, 2018, 09:13:50 pm
If you have sex out of wedlock as a female you are a whore.
marriage doesn't automatically fix problems that exist in people. deceitful, unloyal or materialistic people will stay the same, if anything marriage actually benefits them alot later down the line.
when you're not married however, you can split up with no obligations towards them.
its best to let people save marriage for partners they truly know and love, and not make it the first thing they do when they start a relationship.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 01, 2018, 09:22:09 pm
Might as well ban sex until marriage. While where on this we should put the church back in power just like the good old days and force everyone to be christian. After that america can go on a crusade with middle east to make the world great again.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on March 01, 2018, 09:37:07 pm
Back on the Trump topic
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/969300010683850752
Quote
NEW: President Trump to meet with video game industry executives next week as part of ongoing debate over school safety.
Seems like he is going all in with video games
What a rotting ham. Does Trump know or even care about what he has planning? Seriously look at other countries and their gun control, and you get video games, not one of them have any problems VG related (Save for the play too damn long no break problems but even so you play a game responsibly).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Cenobite 53 on March 01, 2018, 09:46:27 pm
If you have sex out of wedlock as a female you are a whore. If you have sex out of wedlock as a male you are a whore monger. Both are equally bad.
So the world is nearly completly filled with whores and whore mongers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What happens if I use contraception on my whore monger activites, so abortion should not be a topic in that case.
I hurt nobody and I kill nobody with that, does that make me a semi-whore monger at least?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 01, 2018, 09:53:21 pm
On the video game thing I dont know to much about it but what kind of power could Trump have over the video games industry? Like for example could violent games be completely ban in america or something like that? Im just really curious on what exactly he wants to do since removing violence from video games is pretty much censuring them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on March 01, 2018, 09:55:43 pm
If you have sex out of wedlock as a female you are a whore. If you have sex out of wedlock as a male you are a whore monger. Both are equally bad.
So the world is nearly completly filled with whores and whore mongers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What happens if I use contraception on my whore monger activites, so abortion should not be a topic in that case.
I hurt nobody and I kill nobody with that, does that make me a semi-whore monger at least?
Seriously just take religion out of this and we're just normal as animals. all of this bullshit about whores n sluts is stupid. Now if you like kids too damn much (In a creepy weird way), that's a different story that just makes you gross.
About video games on the other hand, Trump's pulling 90s Hillary Clinton out of his ass with this debate claiming it's harmful for kids, so if I have to guess it would be banning video games from the USA. If this is the case then I can see a violent revolution happening.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 09:58:35 pm
If you have sex out of wedlock as a female you are a whore.
marriage doesn't automatically fix problems that exist in people. deceitful, unloyal or materialistic people will stay the same, if anything marriage actually benefits them alot later down the line.
when you're not married however, you can split up with no obligations towards them.
its best to let people save marriage for partners they truly know and love, and not make it the first thing they do when they start a relationship.


This way of thinking is exactly why we are where we're at today. STD's, abortion, single mothers, etc. stem from this way of thinking. Can you guys honestly say that prior to the 1960's, which was before faith started taking a huge hit in this country, that we had more murder, rape, and crime in general. We had less of everything that sucks. It all started going downhill once we started removing God from everything. The US was founded on Biblical theocracy and it will return to it before the end. In fact it's gonna happen faster then you can ever imagine. If you don't believe it I don't care. That's your problem not mine.

And yes this world is full of whore's and whore mongers. Using contraceptives is an entirely different thing. No baby is conceived.

But yeah let's get off of the Biblical stuff before we get the shut down. I've gone off topic way too long. And it's not gonna help anything. Sorry if anybody got offended but it is Biblical and I agree with it 110%.

Back on topic: I wonder what's gonna be said about violent video games. I haven't really looked into any studies on this since I for one don't see any harm in them. Maybe things have changed since I was a kid.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on March 01, 2018, 10:07:05 pm
There really isn't any correlation considering most people know it as entertainment, not real life. Any complaints or blames on video games or movies because of stupid shit is merely just that: a blame game to mask the reality that they actually wanted to do something stupid in real life. It is not our fault that our species has people with much lower IQ so why should a country be stigmatized the the ignorance and arrogance of lil ralphie pulling off a move from Jackass, when the message is made clear "It's a stunt done by Professionals DON"T TRY THIS AT HOME."

Of all the countries I've seen that have gotten decent-strict gun control, they still have violent games, some of which were uncensored to the core. Among those countries you can correlate that religion barely has any sort of control for some (Japan only has 4% of Christianity where the United States is rather significantly high), and most cases of unfair laws and bullshit that has happened in human history from bloody wars to sacrifices to stupid things like pedophilia have often occurred because of a strict belief in a certain faith. It's simply a game within itself: Control the masses like sheep.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 01, 2018, 10:15:12 pm
Pretty sure racial discrimination was pretty big before 1960 causing a lot of murder, rape and crimes... But nah life was perfect before in America
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 01, 2018, 10:21:42 pm
Crimes, murder, and such get much worse the further back you go. I have no idea where he's pulling this mess.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 01, 2018, 10:23:28 pm
There really isn't any correlation considering most people know it as entertainment, not real life. Any complaints or blames on video games or movies because of stupid shit is merely just that: a blame game to mask the reality that they actually wanted to do something stupid in real life. It is not our fault that our species has people with much lower IQ so why should a country be stigmatized the the ignorance and arrogance of lil ralphie pulling off a move from Jackass, when the message is made clear "It's a stunt done by Professionals DON"T TRY THIS AT HOME."

Of all the countries I've seen that have gotten decent-strict gun control, they still have violent games, some of which were uncensored to the core. Among those countries you can correlate that religion barely has any sort of control for some (Japan only has 4% of Christianity where the United States is rather significantly high), and most cases of unfair laws and bullshit that has happened in human history from bloody wars to sacrifices to stupid things like pedophilia have often occurred because of a strict belief in a certain faith. It's simply a game within itself: Control the masses like sheep.

Well in America is it clearly evident that things have gotten worse around here since God was taken out of everything. You simply can't deny that no matter what other countries got going on.

@ Akira - Please. If we had segregation still and a huge lack of Jesus like we do now segregation would have never been abolished. It was God fearing individuals that made that happen. Nothing has ever been perfect but at least we weren't drowning in the cesspool we have today.

@ Just No Point- Where's your stats since the modern US began?

Check this out: https://videogames.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=003627

Scroll down to section 21 and it is clear that violent games actually do take a toll on youth. This is not entirely up to date but it's a good start. Kind of sucks to see.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 01, 2018, 10:52:17 pm
Yeah Jesus and christian stopped segregation lets just forget all the work that man like Malcolm X and King did it was all god works this whole time. Also pretty sure life is way easier now than it was before. Did you forget all the bad shit that happened before 1960?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Flowrellik on March 01, 2018, 10:55:11 pm
Pretty sure racial discrimination was pretty big before 1960 causing a lot of murder, rape and crimes... But nah life was perfect before in America
there was also wealth discrimination, and slavery regardless of race (whites included. What VG Doesn't understand is that in most cases, religion and corruption was a top reason for a lot of conquering, annihilation and absolute chaos way back when. When Christianity was formed it was even worse, considering the widespread reach brought on by not peace, but force (Spanish Inquisition was just a minor part). Our history back then as a species regardless of where we came from is often stained in blood and greed, goodness forbid if you ever question the pope way back in Italy lest you wish a public execution or worse. So when I see stuff like video games being blamed for violence happening, I literally facepalm at the sight of it because we all know this is not the case. I get we have troubled youth in the US being a commonplace, as well as a major problem with age of consent for firearms, we also have a problem with how to deal with our economic and reconstruction problems for roads, buildings, etc. and this is just naming a few. The factor is in dealing with problems at hand, you must strive to have a proper hand in dealing with these problems in a positive way, not play the blame game in means of control. If one were to truly understand history and realize the problems in hand, better solutions may be made possible at hand regardless of where you live at. Personally in dealing with firearms, we should follow up on Japan's solution, while forming around a constitutional basis using the Second Ammendment to preserve Constitutional law while protecting the masses, not play ignorant by blaming Grand Theft Auto or Super Mario and try to play the Hillary Clinton game.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Lichtbringer on March 01, 2018, 10:56:26 pm
Check this out: https://videogames.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=003627

Scroll down to section 21 and it is clear that violent games actually do take a toll on youth. This is not entirely up to date but it's a good start. Kind of sucks to see.

The thing with this kind of statistics is that you can make correlations between everything and make it look good or bad just with adding data or leaving some out, I can probably make a statistic that would show you that drinking coke is a relavent factor in Voilent crimes, by linking coke Sales with Voilent crime data. xD

The thing with the Gun problem is, that if you would not have guns, there would be no gun problem, so simple is that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Mechy on March 01, 2018, 11:15:09 pm
Wasn't Martin Luther King a baptist? And Malcom X was a muslim. So actually a team effort by various gods. Go team!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 11:21:26 pm
dude they are all the same god.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Mechy on March 01, 2018, 11:23:36 pm
(the punchline is that there is no god and it was actually just good people making a difference)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: The Sudden Rarity on March 01, 2018, 11:30:34 pm
I wanted to know what's been going on with Trump and his new toy (America) and I trip over abortion, sex and religion.  Don't know which is more fun to talk about, honestly.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 11:34:40 pm
(the punchline is that there is no god and it was actually just good people making a difference)

But, would they have made any diference if they did not have religion to give them conviction?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Mechy on March 01, 2018, 11:36:51 pm
Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't have anything to do with god being real or not.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 01, 2018, 11:42:02 pm
God being real or not has nothign to do with religion making them better  persons.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 02, 2018, 12:01:45 am
I found many MANY sites that have statistics to show the decline of rape, murder, and violent crime in general. I found this site particularly nice in how it laid everything out.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Jmorphman on March 02, 2018, 12:16:59 am
If you guys think that teacher shooting one kid in the ankle was an actual attack and not staged then you guys need to seriously wake up. This is all a plant. Trump suggests we arm certain staff members and then what happens not a week later, a teacher locks themselves and their kids in a room and ends up shooting one of them in the ankle. Freaking stupid.
Oh and 地獄の花 I completely agree with your stance on abortion. It's mainly for whores.
That means 87.1% of people that get an abortion are whores and need to learn to keep their legs closed.
If you have sex out of wedlock as a female you are a whore.
I think I've heard enough. This is all completely out of line, no matter what one's political views are. VGames, tone down your posts, or you'll suffer consequences.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2018, 12:19:24 am
I found many MANY sites that have statistics to show the decline of rape, murder, and violent crime in general. I found this site particularly nice in how it laid everything out.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html

yep, it's also similar about economics, food and housig is more expensive, but a lot of other satisfactors have gone down or  they did not even exist back then.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2018, 12:20:03 am
(the punchline is that there is no god and it was actually just good people making a difference)
Yes, that was the point GTOAkira was making : "[sarcasm] let's forget all the good work these fine individuals did, it was all god's work ! [/sarcasm]"
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 02, 2018, 04:07:09 am
lmao
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/969300010683850752

Quote
NEW: The WH announced Trump will meet w video game industry execs next week.
But, tonight, the Entertainment Software Assn says neither ESA, nor any of its members — the biggest names in video games (Nintendo, Microsoft, PlayStation, EA) — has received any such invitation.

So who are those people from the video games industrie that he is meeting?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: MAO11 on March 02, 2018, 12:19:31 pm
atari lol
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 02, 2018, 03:16:13 pm
It seems that he's doing this because a Republican from Kentucky is pushing for this. Obama did the same thing back when he was president and nothing ever really came out of it. The lack of invitations to the big wigs in the gaming industry is somewhat the same as what happened when Obama did this too. This seems like something that must be done so that nobody gets called out for not looking into a problem that somebody else says we have. I'm not worried about this whatsoever. 1st amendment protects media and plus other countries play the same games. But those statistics on that site I posted yesterday from 2010 are kind of an eye opener. If they're right kids become more aggressive as a whole when they play more mature video games. I don't see this in my son or daughter though at all.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2018, 04:25:16 pm
Apparently you don't know how to read statistics.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 02, 2018, 04:38:25 pm
Apparently you didn't read them. Check it out for yourself. Section 21 is what really got my attention.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
I know, I did read it. Your conclusion from reading it is bad.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Memo on March 02, 2018, 05:32:01 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shots-reportedly-fired-central-michigan-university-campus-suspect-144803335--abc-news-topstories.html

More madness on school grounds
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Foobs on March 02, 2018, 05:58:02 pm
Nah, that's regular violence which just so happened to take place in a university campus, not a spree shooting.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 02, 2018, 06:29:05 pm
I know, I did read it. Your conclusion from reading it is bad.

Twice as much bullying, twice as much fighting. Where did I go wrong?

@ Memo - yeah I think Foobs is right. Apparently the murderer wanted those 2 people dead.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2018, 07:42:47 pm
Lichtbringer already explained exactly where you went wrong, but you just acted like it didn't happen and you went back to saying the same stupidity. Everybody knows what you're doing.
You can't put two numbers side to side and claim one causes the other. That is flat out not how statistics work, you have to explain the number. The graph you're looking at doesn't even show time, how do you know that number wasn't higher before ? How come you don't think that video game sales have decreased violent crimes ? Because that's what graphs 13 to 16 show.
The proper way statistics work is if the total number of violent acts decreases and the number of gamers goes up, then obviously statistics will find that the number of violent kids play video games, but that's still ignoring the decrease in violence.
If you can't read that on a graph then don't read statistics.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 02, 2018, 08:51:10 pm
Nobody proved me wrong about anything. I wasn't even referring to a graph. I was referring to the side by side %'s of boy and girls that play violent games and those that do not. The one showing how many bully, how many get into fights, etc. What are you talking about? I never said it had anything to do with violent crimes. I simply said it showed some evidence of increased aggression. Something I did not realize. Of course it doesn't have to do with violent crimes. I've already said I don't believe that. I've been playing violent video games since they started pretty much. I'm perfectly fine as are my own kids.

Update on that dude that shot those 2 at that college: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/02/gunman-opens-fire-at-central-michigan-university-2-shot.html
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2018, 09:55:31 pm
I wasn't even referring to a graph.
Do you have reading comprehension issues or something ? This page is a bunch of graphs. That table you're looking at is one of them, and I'm talking about all these graphs in general. Don't be dense.
What are you talking about? I never said it had anything to do with violent crimes.
Of course it doesn't have to do with violent crimes.
I didn't say you did ? I'm the one talking about the other graphs.
I simply said it showed some evidence of increased aggression.
But see, that's the thing : it doesn't show that at all. There's no increase at all, there's no movement in that table.
Compare that table you're looking at to graph #16. It shows the decrease in bullying over 10 years. Now look at graphs 13 to 15 that all show an increase of video game sales. There have been less bullies, and more video game players. Table #18 also shows a very clear decrease in juvenile violent crimes. Obviously an instant snapshot at the end of both those time periods will show that more bullies play video games - and guess what, kids who aren't bullies also play more video games. And some of them play violent video games too, but you apparently don't want to understand that.
Again, you are reading those statistics wrong when you think that (violent) video games cause an increase in aggression. In the first place, the "increase" is completely wrong because you're looking at a fixed point in time that doesn't actually compare the state to a previous point in time. You made up that "increase" in your head.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 02, 2018, 10:03:55 pm
Ok Byakko. Thank you for clearing that up.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 03, 2018, 12:34:27 am
https://www.quora.com/How-many-gun-owners-have-actually-stopped-a-crime-from-being-committed-by-using-a-gun
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: GTOAkira on March 08, 2018, 06:03:38 am
Trump meeting with representatives from the video game industry is tomorrow
http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/trump-reopens-a-seemingly-settled-video-game-debate
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: VGames on March 08, 2018, 03:12:42 pm
Don't think anything is gonna happen after this. This is just something that has to be done to appease work associates that are jumping up and down about video game violence on both sides. If he didn't do anything regarding this they'd crucify him for not giving any attention to this "issue". I mean one of Trump's all time favorite movies is Bloodsport. The guy likes him some action.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 13, 2018, 03:17:42 am
A tweet from Donald Trump:

THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/973360355790479361

And correlating news article:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/12/house-intel-finds-no-evidence-collusion-between-trump-campaign-and-russia.html

So, I guess the whole Trump is colluding with Russia is a whole lot of nothing then?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Solution to the gun problem? More guns!"
Post by: Byakko on March 13, 2018, 03:22:01 am
The keyword in that headline is "house Republicans". That report is by the majority only, everyone else still disagrees and says that report is bogus and massively incomplete.
There are other investigations still running, and some of them are bipartisan.
Why would you even read Fox News
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 13, 2018, 08:48:50 pm
Trump has fired Secretary of State Tillerson, and plans to replace him with current CIA Director Mike Pompeo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-ousts-tillerson-will-replace-him-as-secretary-of-state-with-cia-chief-pompeo/2018/03/13/30f34eea-26ba-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.34aef7f9ca97)

And who will replace Pompeo at the CIA? Why, none other than CIA Deputy Director Gina Haspel, who not only oversaw waterboarding torture methods used during the Bush administration, but also ordered the destruction of videotapes documenting these interrogations. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/03/13/gina-haspel-trump-nominee-first-woman-leader-cia/419547002/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on March 13, 2018, 10:04:38 pm
The keyword in that headline is "house Republicans". That report is by the majority only, everyone else still disagrees and says that report is bogus and massively incomplete.
There are other investigations still running, and some of them are bipartisan.
Why would you even read Fox News

Your actually still holding on to that Russian collusion? LOL
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Person Man on March 13, 2018, 10:30:54 pm
This coming less than a week after Tillerson condemned Russia for the nerve agent attack they orchestrated in the UK. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/rex-tillerson-white-house-russia-nerve-agent-attack/index.html)

One more time for the kids in the back:  Trump fired his own secretary of state for saying something bad about Russia.  Golly gee, that sure doesn't sound suspicious at all.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Byakko on March 13, 2018, 10:47:10 pm
Also I thought yesterday Trump claimed to a few reporters in a briefing room that there was going to be big news on North Korea that they should give him credit for, coming the same afternoon. Nothing happened, and the next morning, Tillerson was receiving a phone call from his staff to check Trump's Twitter account, where he learned that he was fired, three hours before actually receiving an official phone call to tell him that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on March 14, 2018, 03:13:55 pm
I think you guys are forgetting that Trump approved a $47 million arms package for Ukraine, and he sent troops to Poland’s border with Russia. He also set new sanctions on Moscow for violating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. Why would he do that if he was all in for Russia? On top of that you guys are also forgetting that it was found that Russia was funding rallies, advertisements,  and websites for both Trump's side and Hillary's side during the election but without their consent. This is not a matter of Republicans vs Democrats. This is a matter of Russia vs USA. They're trying to cause chaos for everybody. Putin and Trump are not on the same team. The only thing they actually agree on is saying no to globalism.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: MrChris on March 28, 2018, 12:59:46 pm
Also I thought yesterday Trump claimed to a few reporters in a briefing room that there was going to be big news on North Korea that they should give him credit for, coming the same afternoon. Nothing happened, and the next morning, Tillerson was receiving a phone call from his staff to check Trump's Twitter account, where he learned that he was fired, three hours before actually receiving an official phone call to tell him that.

The donald is a genius you don't have, to worry about that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: bme on March 28, 2018, 10:36:00 pm
Trump reminds me of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. They're both racist idiots but I think neo-nazis liked Iran's former president better.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on March 28, 2018, 10:49:26 pm
Trump reminds me of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. They're both racist idiots but I think neo-nazis liked Iran's former president better.

Racist? C'mon man that ship has sailed. Trump is no racist. At least not anymore then the next white, black, brown, or yellow guy including you. Everybody knows some stereotypical trait about every other race on this earth. We need to quit lying about it already and just laugh about it. Heck the remaining member's of Martin Luther King's family likes and supports Trump. Doesn't that tell you anything?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: inktrebuchet on March 28, 2018, 10:56:02 pm
Heck the remaining member's of Martin Luther King's family likes and supports Trump. Doesn't that tell you anything?

No that doesn’t tell us anything. They are regular people with their own views. Why would it make a difference if they are a part of the King family? You think they all think alike?

You walked right into it.

Also, Trump seems pretty racist. I think most of us can agree on that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2018, 11:05:03 pm
Heck the remaining member's of Martin Luther King's family likes and supports Trump.
Nope, not the case (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/us/martin-luther-king-children-trump.html)

One of King's nieces is pro-Trump, but the rest of the family (most notably his children) are very much against him.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 28, 2018, 11:11:55 pm
well, it's hard to argue against trump being racist, the closer I cand o si saying that he is such an egoist POS, that he looks and acts like he is racist.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: bme on March 28, 2018, 11:13:43 pm
Someone on another forum told me that unlike Ahmadinejad, Trump can't maintain his power by outright stealing the vote, then sending armed gangs of teenage militiamen through the streets of New York to rape protesters into submission. He would if he could, but he doesn't have that kind of a deep state behind him.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: -Ash- on March 28, 2018, 11:37:19 pm
The edge.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Snakebyte on March 29, 2018, 12:22:42 am
This coming less than a week after Tillerson condemned Russia for the nerve agent attack they orchestrated in the UK. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/rex-tillerson-white-house-russia-nerve-agent-attack/index.html)

One more time for the kids in the back:  Trump fired his own secretary of state for saying something bad about Russia.  Golly gee, that sure doesn't sound suspicious at all.

I too can come up with a random event that happened before another event and claim they are connected.

Did you know that less than a week after Tillerson ate breakfast, Trump fired him?

Trump fucking hates breakfast, guys.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on March 29, 2018, 07:01:59 pm
This coming less than a week after Tillerson condemned Russia for the nerve agent attack they orchestrated in the UK. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/rex-tillerson-white-house-russia-nerve-agent-attack/index.html)

One more time for the kids in the back:  Trump fired his own secretary of state for saying something bad about Russia.  Golly gee, that sure doesn't sound suspicious at all.

I too can come up with a random event that happened before another event and claim they are connected.

Did you know that less than a week after Tillerson ate breakfast, Trump fired him?

Trump fucking hates breakfast, guys.

LOL

@ Jmorphman - that's only 2 kids. He had 4. Keep trying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Byakko on March 29, 2018, 07:18:19 pm
You said "the remaining of King's family support Trump". But as it turns out, since 2 of them specifically denounced Trump, at the very best that's only 2 kids out of 4 that support him (if they even do). But keep trying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Chronan on March 29, 2018, 08:16:07 pm
--Being super duper serious for once
It doesn't and never should have mattered who supports what candidate. I know the 2016 and soon to be 2018 election will be advertised by our lovely media personalities as the fairly honest Democrats vs LITERAL NAZI WHITE MEN LYING REPUBLICANS! But don't bring yourselves down to western media's level by saying shit like, "Richard Spencer or David Duke supports Trump therefore it implies some sort of meaning behind Trump himself!"

It's like a similar extreme to the fools saying Trump or anyone else needs to "disavow" a specific group or individual, otherwise they have unwavering support for said group or individual (never forget "both sides=nazi defender"). It's one of the LCDs of politics that everyone gets suckered into since it's the trash we get peddled on a daily basis.

Arguing partial facts as absolutes which is all we've had since 2016(and earlier honestly). Some people in a group support Trump, but others in the same group don't! So depending on whether you're pro/anti Trump either side has a card to play! Both sides feel self-gratified and the facts are lost or were irrelevant to begin with.

Article posters should try and use more Reuters btw, they still seem to be pretty solid(I hear AP is good too, but IIRC they used to fuck up a lot trying to be 1st on reporting). CNN/FOX News/WAPO have become absolute trash and should be consumed with the utmost cynicism, if at all.

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Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: bme on March 29, 2018, 11:58:16 pm
I wish the Right had more people like these guys. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Right_of_reason (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Right_of_reason)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Jmorphman on March 30, 2018, 07:50:22 pm
@ Jmorphman - that's only 2 kids. He had 4. Keep trying.
Buddy, you can't make a crazy claim like "MLK's whole family is pro-Trump" (when there's only one niece who does support Trump), and then, when presented with evidence that two of MLK's children are vehemently anti-Trump, demand that you be shown a quote from *every* surviving memeber of MLK's family that makes it clear they're anti-Trump.

Also, sadly, only three of his kids are still living. And in any event, his children have waaaaaaay more authority over his legacy than any of his nieces or nephews. And of course, two (kids) is greater than one (niece).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on April 03, 2018, 03:35:10 pm
--Being super duper serious for once
It doesn't and never should have mattered who supports what candidate. I know the 2016 and soon to be 2018 election will be advertised by our lovely media personalities as the fairly honest Democrats vs LITERAL NAZI WHITE MEN LYING REPUBLICANS! But don't bring yourselves down to western media's level by saying shit like, "Richard Spencer or David Duke supports Trump therefore it implies some sort of meaning behind Trump himself!"

It's like a similar extreme to the fools saying Trump or anyone else needs to "disavow" a specific group or individual, otherwise they have unwavering support for said group or individual (never forget "both sides=nazi defender"). It's one of the LCDs of politics that everyone gets suckered into since it's the trash we get peddled on a daily basis.

Arguing partial facts as absolutes which is all we've had since 2016(and earlier honestly). Some people in a group support Trump, but others in the same group don't! So depending on whether you're pro/anti Trump either side has a card to play! Both sides feel self-gratified and the facts are lost or were irrelevant to begin with.

Article posters should try and use more Reuters btw, they still seem to be pretty solid(I hear AP is good too, but IIRC they used to fuck up a lot trying to be 1st on reporting). CNN/FOX News/WAPO have become absolute trash and should be consumed with the utmost cynicism, if at all.

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This was a good post. And you're right, I get sucked up into this crap a lot. I was wrong about MLK's family. But it doesn't matter who supports who like Chronan said. Trump's got lots of people from different ethnic backgrounds working for him. And he did the same before he was president. We should all pay attention to what he does not what they say. Like Floyd Mayweather said, nobody was calling him a racist before he ran for president. It's all part of the democratic scheme. Always has been. And you guys fell for it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: inktrebuchet on April 03, 2018, 04:40:57 pm
Thomas Jefferson had black people working for him, does that mean he wasn’t racist?

Did you just quote Mayweather because he’s a nonwhite saying something in Trumps favor?

Also, Trump has always seemed racist, it’s just more in the public eye now.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on April 04, 2018, 10:04:06 pm
Thomas Jefferson and everybody with money had slaves in that time. Black rich people in the US at that time had black slaves. Heck they got the black slaves from black king's in Africa. What's your point?

yes I quoted Mayweather because he's black. DUH

Quit lying.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: inktrebuchet on April 04, 2018, 10:28:11 pm
Well, I wish you could explain away something like Central Park Five then. It happened back when "no one was thinking of Trump as a racist".

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On May 1, 1989, real estate magnate Donald Trump called for the return of the death penalty when he took out full-page advertisements in all four of the city's major newspapers. Trump said he wanted the "criminals of every age" who were accused of beating and raping a jogger in Central Park 12 days earlier "to be afraid".[82] The advertisement, which cost an estimated $85,000,[82] said, in part, "Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer ... Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will. ... How can our great society tolerate the continued brutalization of its citizens by crazed misfits?

There was literally no proof of their guilt. Turns out those kids where all innocent. Oh, and black...

Fun extra I found while digging this back up:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-says-central-park-five-are-guilty-despite-dna-n661941

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Byakko on April 04, 2018, 10:39:07 pm
Well then it's the fault of the damn liberal media, they don't care to point out who's a racist and who's not until they run for president !
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 05, 2018, 12:26:47 am

I read muggers as a different word, bet trump said it exactly for that reason.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on April 05, 2018, 04:52:27 pm
The kids said they were guilty. The cops said they were guilty. It's not his fault he ran with that. I probably would have said they were too after hearing that. And they didn't find out it wasn't them till 2002. This happened in 1989. Cut the guy a break. It would be nice if he apologized but he probably won't. Big deal.

Heck the entire democratic party has never apologized for anything they've ever done wrong to the black community. Do you guys still hold a grudge against them?

By the way the 5 weren't all black.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 05, 2018, 05:21:03 pm
now, pick your fights better, trying to prove that trump is not racist is an useless endeavor (mostly because he is).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: inktrebuchet on April 05, 2018, 05:39:06 pm
Do you know how many people came forward as the zodiac killer? A ton, the point is there has to be proof. That’s how our justice system works.

Holding a grudge against a group for the actions of a few seems silly. Holding a grudge against an individual for their actions seems okay.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: VGames on April 05, 2018, 09:58:23 pm
Whatever. Get use to the racist. You got 6 more years. Nothing I can say will change your minds in this echo chamber.

Did you guys here about the National Guard being sent down to the southern border by Trump to stop those idiots from Honduras? Was that racist even though they said there would be mass violence if they weren't allowed in?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: The Sudden Rarity on April 05, 2018, 10:10:55 pm
2 more years, if he doesn't get a second term that is.  People forget that a prez only gets 4 years a term and needs to be voted back in when the next elections take place after those 4 years (the year 2020 in this case).  It's odd that people forget that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2018, 12:21:17 am
Whatever. Get use to the racist. You got 6 more years. Nothing I can say will change your minds in this echo chamber.

Did you guys here about the National Guard being sent down to the southern border by Trump to stop those idiots from Honduras? Was that racist even though they said there would be mass violence if they weren't allowed in?

Pretty much, yes, the ones who said there would be mass violence if they were not allowed in were you, as I have not found a news source who has said that (yeah, not even fox news), much less them, since that is a yearly or so march they just do. If people requesting assilum while being in the other side of the border is enough to call them idiots or illegal immigrants, well you can see why illegal immigrants don't want to put up with immigration laws.

funny thing
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Same as in Europe - why do 90% of them appear to be males between the ages of 18-40?

is who certain people in first world countries are so disconnected from third world countries problems that they can't think of the normal reason for this.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Chronan on April 06, 2018, 01:26:43 am
2 more years, if he doesn't get a second term that is.  People forget that a prez only gets 4 years a term and needs to be voted back in when the next elections take place after those 4 years (the year 2020 in this case).  It's odd that people forget that.
It's a joke, a meme, a troll, whatever you want to call it. It's intentionally stated to annoy people who despise Trump. It's the same shit from 2016 when people were whinging about "4 years of Donald Drumpf" and the retort would be a picture of The Count with a number 8.

If people requesting assilum while being in the other side of the border is enough to call them idiots or illegal immigrants, well you can see why illegal immigrants don't want to put up with immigration laws.
There are actual processes and meanings behind "seeking asylum" such as fulling out form I-589 for starters. Starting a march to cross another countries border illegally, prior to asylum being granted is not part of that process. It's fair to call it idiotic, desperate, or dare I say.. illegal. Well if it was successful at least. Apparently the caravan was already dispersed thanks to Mexico's government. So no US laws had to be broken by "asylum seekers". Can't say the same for Mexico's laws, but I don't think Mexico's government gives a shit what laws are broken anymore, depending on who's paying them anyway.
Also to your argument of not wanting to put up with immigration laws, aside from it not making sense anyway because you said these were asylum seekers which is different. These people were not applying for legal immigration, those who do tend to NOT to be called illegals for fairly obvious reason (I'll let you guess why if you like).
People don't want to put up with US immigration laws because it's hard and/or it takes too long and/or they failed already.. In which case, tough shit. That's the reality, you don't like it, feel free to come here illegally and syphon American taxpayers for their worth. Allow corporate greed to run these people at or below minimum wage and as a result fuck actual American's and legal immigrants out of their work because the company is keeping wages to the bare minimum well below what the work is valued at, which then leads into a chain of other shit thats great for corporate and government but fucks everyone else in the long term. Then they get deported because the law caught up with them, but they no longer have a home in the country they left, but somehow you expect anyone who isn't overly emotional or against the administration deporting them to give a fuck about their poor life decision to be an illegal in a foreign country, after they broke that countries law(a major disrespect against the host country off the bat), got deported and called an "illegal immigrant" by our terrible authority and people who's country they moved into and who's benefits they reaped.

Half my family is Mexican, and the gringo Mexican-Americans who recently moved here (all legally btw), shit talk the illegal Mexican and Central Americans who come here, it's unfair to everyone who follows the law. So it's not racism, and the law apparently isn't very oppressive. You just need to be smart and plan ahead. Tough shit. Or just find a nice American to marry and skip the whole process, legally of course. God Bless America. The worst and most unfair country in the world that everyone wants to move to!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: The Sudden Rarity on April 06, 2018, 05:09:31 am
2 more years, if he doesn't get a second term that is.  People forget that a prez only gets 4 years a term and needs to be voted back in when the next elections take place after those 4 years (the year 2020 in this case).  It's odd that people forget that.
It's a joke, a meme, a troll, whatever you want to call it. It's intentionally stated to annoy people who despise Trump. It's the same shit from 2016 when people were whinging about "4 years of Donald Drumpf" and the retort would be a picture of The Count with a number 8.

That I'd understand, but some truly do think it's 8 years for a single term.  It just irks me when people think they know things when all it takes is to simply type "how long is a presidential term" in Google/any other search engine and get the description.

It also reminds me of how annoyed people were with Obama and the people who responded to their discourse with: "Suck it up, he's our president now".  Those same people who hated Obama are now repeating the same shtick: "Suck it up, he's our president now".  Shoe's on the other foot, or something like that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "You're Fired!!" Round 5?
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2018, 03:50:30 pm

Yeah, that's the generic answer I have read dozens of times when people talka bout illegal immigration, it's not even adressing the points my post. I find it pretty fun that the same political party that says that the minimum wage should be abolished because people with marketing skills worth less than minimum wage should also have a chance to get jobs, yet they complain about people that don't want to make minimum wage driving the wages down. The same political party that while complaining about foreign countries giving their opinion of the usa's gun laws  because it's not the other countries problems they complain about mexico letting "illegal" immigrants walk in the streets of mexico unmolested.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Donald, you ARE the father!"
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 12, 2018, 10:45:40 pm
Trump's former doorman comes out and claims he was paid for his silence on an affair Trump had with a former housemaid that resulted in a child. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tower-doorman-dino-sajudin-national-enquirer-donald-trump-michael-cohen-ap/)

And because it wasn't reported earlier, Trump's personal attorney had his office raided by the FBI in relation to the Mueller investigation (https://nypost.com/2018/04/11/feds-wanted-access-hollywood-tape-evidence-during-trump-lawyer-raid/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Donald, you ARE the father!"
Post by: Chronan on April 13, 2018, 01:33:12 am
Forgot about this thread on my travels thru the Keystone state so enjoy the delayed response,
Yeah, that's the generic answer I have read dozens of times when people talka bout illegal immigration, it's not even adressing the points my post. I find it pretty fun that the same political party that says that the minimum wage should be abolished because people with marketing skills worth less than minimum wage should also have a chance to get jobs, yet they complain about people that don't want to make minimum wage driving the wages down. The same political party that while complaining about foreign countries giving their opinion of the usa's gun laws  because it's not the other countries problems they complain about mexico letting "illegal" immigrants walk in the streets of mexico unmolested.
So aside from your generic stereotypical and exaggerated views on "muh republicans" that sound like they came off Salon or Huffington Post. Your points in the prior post were against VGames apparent personal claims, which I couldn't give a shit about, followed by a broad brush whinging about illegals being called illegals by intolerant Americans it's the same tired shit we see over here daily about not fully ignoring illegal immigration, which is a net negative for the US people but a net bonus for corporate interests.

I'll break your points down for you.

First you start on VGames, which I could give shit about. So I'll ignore it, because the thousand or so retard march from Honduras and your follow up:
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If people requesting assilum while being in the other side of the border is enough to call them idiots or illegal immigrants, well you can see why illegal immigrants don't want to put up with immigration laws.
was a point I covered in my generic response you read and shrugged off before whinging about those damn Republicans, clearly, the ones and only ones behind it all. If you think them trying to illegally immigrate yearly is in anyway a defense, I have some choice words for your scope of social and legal acceptability.
Or did you want me to find an article to try and prove VGames' point for him? Still not my concern.

Which leaves us with the only other "point" in your post,
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Same as in Europe - why do 90% of them appear to be males between the ages of 18-40?
is who certain people in first world countries are so disconnected from third world countries problems that they can't think of the normal reason for this.
So according to you, this is all the points I failed to address in your post. One. The answer is because women shit out a half dozen or more kids that need to be taken care of and men are stronger and better workers. It doesn't change the fact that when they come to this or any country illegally, they are illegally immigrating and thus called "illegals". Don't think I can break that down for you anymore than that. There's all 1 of your points I ignored, because it was pretty irrelevant.


If you want me to have a go on your new post too I can do that, if I can figure out what you're even trying to say,
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I find it pretty fun that the same political party that says that the minimum wage should be abolished because people with marketing skills worth less than minimum wage should also have a chance to get jobs, yet they complain about people that don't want to make minimum wage driving the wages down.
I've never heard that reason for "abolishing" the minimum wage, and that reasoning doesn't make sense how I'm reading it. Regardless, the actual reasoning, whether you agree with it or not is to abolish the federal minimum wage so that state and local governments can set a minimum in its place. The reason being, in the US much like any country there are varying costs of living based on location. Businesses in a lower cost of living area may not be able to sustain their workforce if the federal minimum wage (based off some calculated mean) increases, this will cause some people to be laid off and QoL to turn to shit for some workers who now have an increased or doubled workload, this issue is especially true for local small businesses. Likewise a worker working minimum wage might not be able to afford anything more than an apartment in a higher cost of living area. The other reasoning is if minimum wage increases nationally, then theoretically there is more money on each person, which marketing teams for most major corporations will study to adjust how much to inflate the cost of their services to get the most money out of you. There are actual ups and downs to the issue, which is why the "evil republicans" stance is so unfair and ignorant but it won't stop the clickbait from focusing on the stupidest of the GOP reasons for the "abolishing of minimum wage". IMO, maintaining a federal minimum and also enforcing a state/local minimum that can't drop below the federal minimum would be ideal. But that might come with it's own problems, and a local government could screw its population over due to poor studies due to lack of funds or via corruption which is common in many local govts here especially visible in cities such as Detroit.

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The same political party that while complaining about foreign countries giving their opinion of the usa's gun laws  because it's not the other countries problems they complain about mexico letting "illegal" immigrants walk in the streets of mexico unmolested.
I'm not sure if your are complaining about Republicans or conservatives here, and I feel like you're probably making the same mistake a lot of people do who actually believe being conservative or right-wing automatically make the individual in complete support of the Republican party and therefore mixing the two together despite the 2016 presidential election we just had here proving that voter bases on either side aren't all war hungry neo-cons or drooling progressives.

But sure the US gun laws, so first of all, laws in the US are decided by the US Legislature which is designed of the INTENT to represent the citizens(legal citizens btw) of their districts/states. So entirely US citizens. Cool.
Now we just had an election where foreign country influence was heavily involved for both parties and from multiple countries (but Russia's influence allegedly helped Trump, so that's the only focus anyone cares about). Okay so now we just had a media firestorm that lasted through all of 2017 about how bad foreign influence in the American public and government primarily via social media and news media is. You've been posting in this thread so you know what I'm on about, so Americans complaining about foreign influence through social media on control laws shouldn't be a far-fetched understanding.

As for Americans complaining about Mexico's government not doing anything for a short time about illegals in their country (as I understand these were not Mexican citizens after all they were primarily Honduran), who were planning to march into America via Mexico. I didn't hear Americans telling Mexico to deport them, but I did see alot of people complain about Trump needing to do something or saying Trump would effectively "cuck" and let them in without deportation to avoid media backlash. Either way it sucks having a foreign country telling your country what it should do though, I understand. :) It's also something I want the US Govt to do less of with it's allies, trade partners, enemies, and puppets. The only country I can think of that would have stronger influence on opinion in foreign countries than Russia or China would be the USA we've been doing that shit since at least the 70s.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: "Donald, you ARE the father!"
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 13, 2018, 05:43:33 am
Can you even reply in a civilized tone ? I am not reading that answer.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 13, 2018, 03:08:10 pm
A few pages from former FBI Director Comey's new book came out and contain some juicy details, including how Trump personally asked Comey to have the FBI investigate the Steele dossier "to reassure First Lady Melania Trump that he hadn’t actually paid Russian hookers to urinate on a hotel bed" (https://nypost.com/2018/04/12/comey-trump-asked-me-to-investigate-pee-tape-to-reassure-melania/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2018, 04:25:51 pm
Lol until then it was just a random dumb thing that no one really cared about, but seeing him talk about it like that only makes him super suspicious, as always.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 13, 2018, 04:45:32 pm
I think Comey's own words best summarized the situation:

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In what kind of marriage, to what kind of man, does a spouse conclude there is only a 99 percent chance her husband didn’t do that?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Infinite Daze on April 13, 2018, 06:32:31 pm
They are going to force this ww3 weather the people like it or not. Syria, N.Korea, Iran, they will soon.  They feed propaganda all day on the news here, this shit is weird times we are living in.  Last Trump talked about leaving Syria, but this week...I feel majority of the people of the world are just sheep for the slaughter for the wolves and monsters of the world. If people can't see these same agendas being pushed no matter which letter party you might believe in.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Niitris on April 14, 2018, 07:50:13 pm
They are going to force this ww3 weather the people like it or not. Syria, N.Korea, Iran, they will soon.  They feed propaganda all day on the news here, this shit is weird times we are living in.  Last Trump talked about leaving Syria, but this week...

About that:
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https://twitter.com/RealSteveCox/status/983576500837298176

In January/February, 2017, Trump said we were “no longer seeking regime change in Syria”. One week later, a reported gas attack. For 14 months, no gas attacks. Trump says we’re pulling out of Syria, 3 days later, another gas attack.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: R565 on April 14, 2018, 08:41:42 pm
That's some bull honkey timing if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: MAO11 on April 14, 2018, 08:59:19 pm
its proven that the gas attack are the rebels doing, that's why the past administration didn't supported the rebels. if it was handled very well they might have still helped them but the attacks were such a mess and evidences were found tracing the attacks were staged. most casualties were civilians and non combatants , that's just wasting effort and money to kill people who are not even fighting against you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Niitris on April 14, 2018, 10:14:48 pm
The prior administration were supporting the rebels too, moreso than the current one in place.

But yeah, Assad has nothing to gain from gassing his own people. And it's known that these rebels (aka ISIS and company) have gained access to and can indeed use sarin and other chemical bombs. Not to mention continuing the war is for their personal benefit. It has everything to do with territorial influence; the US leaving means Russia wins and we can't have that. Of course you can't just invade sovereign nations anymore so the powers that be need an excuse, peppered with some window dressing (brutal dictator is killing his own citizens, we must install democracy to obtain peace in the Middle East or something).

Funny how when Trump needed to call out the media's bullshit the most, he folds to them and their establishment friends. It hasn't gone unnoticed. (http://thehill.com/homenews/media/383147-conservatives-trump-supporters-slam-trump-over-syria-missile-strike)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Chronan on April 14, 2018, 10:15:43 pm
that's why the past administration didn't supported the rebels.
Minor correction(Niitris covered this already before I finished my post), the US started supporting the Syrian rebels since ~2013 (IIRC) and has been ever since. Obama's administration did have some strong words that the rebels(who they were arming and funding) were bad boys in 2016 but didn't stop supporting them. Israel and Saudi Arabia two countries who are also well known for their peace-seeking tolerance(/s) and endless attempts to stabilize(/s) other countries in the Middles East, much like the USA(/s), have also been balls deep in Syria supporting the rebels. Trump just passed a serious interest in ending the support and pulling the US out of Syria, a place the US never should have been in the first place, way less reason than even Iraq. It's a shame he waited til 2018 to finally voice a potential move on this though.

And it's really a shame that as soon as the US President publicly states an interest in getting out of Syria, Assad and Putin, who are both intelligent and experienced leaders in war, collectively decide to have Assad gas his countrymen children with illegal chemical weapons that have proved in the past to call in US and international intervention/antagonism(and was the "red line" that involved the US in the first place), in an area they pretty much had under control again. It really shows how much staggering genius Assad and Putin are capable of!
"We've effectively been guaranteed Syria you guys, the US is pulling out! Wouldn't it be a laugh if we used illegal weapons to gas some people before the USA backs out, it would show they are weak! Ebin trollerino bro! Lol!"

I also find it brilliant that after both this gas attack and the last one, it was immediately determined that Assad did it and Trump had to attack-response immediately, just like the last time, with no actual proof or investigation having occurred at the time. Despite no US citizens being involved in the attack. The USA or Israel would never jump the gun on this sort of intelligence for their own interests, they've never done that in past! (/s)(/s)(/s)(/s)(/s)


Can you even reply in a civilized tone ? I am not reading that answer.
That explains it, I didn't fail to address your points previously, you just didn't read anything I addressed. Thanks for clearing everything up!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Byakko on April 14, 2018, 10:30:22 pm
with no actual proof or investigation having occurred at the time.
That's a lie.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Chronan on April 15, 2018, 12:26:15 am
with no actual proof or investigation having occurred at the time.
That's a lie.
First attack occurred Tuesday April 3rd. Article from April 4th (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/world/middleeast/syria-gas-attack.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/world/middleeast/syria-gas-attack.html)) states:
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On Tuesday(April 3rd) night, Britain, France and the United States were pushing the Security Council to adopt a resolution that condemns the attack and orders the Syrian government to provide all flight logs, flight plans and names of commanders in charge of air operations, including those for Tuesday, to international investigators.
The USA also blames Assad for it. So completely off the assumption so far, because Assad is our bad guy, and theirs no way the terrorists/rebels he's fighting against and bombing could have these chemical weapons in any capacity. I know the US government is highly competent and gets all it's facts straight before declaring the problem and course of action. Hence why the US stayed out of Iraq back in 2003. Oh wait...

By the 5th we already had reports on Radio(NPR) and TV(NBC) being reported that Assad was behind it, and were looking for reasons why(in NPRs case) and how the US must intervene against Assad(NBC). There were other NPR shows running their commentaries about Assad being behind it and calls to action.
https://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/2017/04/05/522705705 (https://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/2017/04/05/522705705)
Used sources with a left leaning bias too because I'm nice, too lazy to dig up whatever NBC report I was watching at mummy's house, pretty sure it was Lester Holt though doing the coverage. No investigation had been completed at this point to my knowledge. Unless you have the sources to disprove that. The same shit happened a year ago by the way, but at a larger and more appalling scale. Back then it was the Republican congressman telling CNN "we need to wait for the facts" instead of warmongering, that's how you know something is wrong!

Not saying "Animal Assad" absolutely didn't do it! Just saying it's not worth jumping to conclusions over and riling up your audiences/people before the evidence is put forward, GW Bush and FOX News used to get eaten alive for that sort of thing, now the same orgs who pushed against Bush-Iraq are pushing for Trump-Syria. Just seems pretty absurd all around.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Byakko on April 15, 2018, 12:42:46 am
Not saying "Animal Assad" absolutely didn't do it!  Just saying it's not worth jumping to conclusions over and riling up your audiences/people before the evidence is put forward
You're saying they have no proof he did it. But you have no proof of what they have or don't have, ergo, you're lying. You just THINK it's way too fast to have any proof, but you don't actually know who saw what and who knows what, so your claim that they have no proof is a lie.
By the way, it's not just the US saying that. Unlike with Iraq back then, it's everyone.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Dumanios on April 15, 2018, 03:52:14 am
Remember when Donald Trump wanted out of the TPP? (https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/04/13/president-trump-reconsiders-tpp.html)

Yeah. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/asia/trump-tpp-asia.html)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Chronan on April 18, 2018, 07:22:20 pm
Remember when Donald Trump wanted out of the TPP? (https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/04/13/president-trump-reconsiders-tpp.html)

Yeah. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/asia/trump-tpp-asia.html)
From the article: "Would only join TPP if the deal were substantially better than the deal offered to Pres. Obama. We already have BILATERAL deals with six of the eleven nations in TPP, and are working to make a deal with the biggest of those nations, Japan, who has hit us hard on trade for years!" The issue with TPP is it was a major net-negative for the US. Trump interest in revisiting is if he can make a 'better deal' for the USA.

Not saying "Animal Assad" absolutely didn't do it!  Just saying it's not worth jumping to conclusions over and riling up your audiences/people before the evidence is put forward
You're saying they have no proof he did it. But you have no proof of what they have or don't have, ergo, you're lying. You just THINK it's way too fast to have any proof, but you don't actually know who saw what and who knows what, so your claim that they have no proof is a lie.
By the way, it's not just the US saying that. Unlike with Iraq back then, it's everyone.
Oh please. I already showed my dispute with their claims and did https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-autopsies-confirm-assad-used-chemical-weapons-in-syria/ (http://your legwork) for you, no proof was presented until the 6th which was a day after NPR (https://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/2017/04/05/522705705), CNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6SnIvQKN1Y), and NBC pundits all ran under the assumption that Assad was behind it. That was based off Turkey autopsies (which should come with it's own concerns, and not be taken as 100% proof, given their relationship with Syria and Assad), before telling the American people that 'Trump needs to strike or he will appear weak'. I don't care if you're okay with America getting involved into wars based off "a likely scenario" but I'm not.

You're accusation of my already justified opinion that our media is jumping the gun being "a lie" is because I can't disprove that some field reporters "saw some things". I'm sure CNN and NPR were right there in Assad's planes, recording them drop the bombs which that they had previously confirmed via their own investigative journalism that they chemical bombs. Allowing them to rule out all the details of Assad and Putin's defense of the strike such as but not limited to: the chemicals in the bombed weapons stockpile which the strike was allegedly intended for. Or would you prefer if I said they had some evidence at the that could potentially allege that Assad was behind it, which totally justifies their coverage stating directly that he 100% did it (because even if they had some evidence that alluded to it, it's still "not proof", and it won't ever be proof until they apply a source to the proof)?
I know you aren't okay with FOX News doing this same exact thing. So why the double standard? It doesn't matter if turns out incorrect or correct later (and they ALL fuck up doing these preemptive accusatory stories before the facts come out, random example: Michelle Fields' brutal assault by Trumps campaign manager, the best part is WAPO, another left leaning outlet(I believe NBC, but don't hold me to it, because I don't feel like proving it atm!), and Breitbart all withheld video evidence to push their fake stories in that instance. Then after slandering Trump and his obnoxious campaign manager, the video was published online that finally clarified Fields and the WAPO reporter were full of shit. The damage was already done to the campaign though.

This shows certain portions of the US media overstepping it's boundaries on pushing a preemptive warmongering narrative before all the info is available. This is demonstrable. They do it with cops shooting black people, whether the shooting was justified or not running an officers name and family security into the ground while posing a criminal as a saint. They do it with accused rapists, whether the man was falsely accused or not. They did it with Michael Jackson too!
Sure it's all my opinion, which I can support with evidence, in the end. And sure there's a long shot that they got the UN Security Council investigation information 12-24 hours prior (despite being unresolved even 7 days after albeit due to 2 countries including Russia being against it and many more voicing their concerns over the language and stretches tying the attack to the Syrian Government (https://www.un.org/press/en/2017/sc12791.doc.htm)) to the US government, which how much longer it took for the US government to give their official condemnation of the Syrian Government.

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By the way, it's not just the US saying that. Unlike with Iraq back then, it's everyone.
That's a lie. See, if you want to play bullshit weaseling games, I can do it too.
Not sure why I waste my time though, this is Byakko posting after all. If it's not circular reasoning/circular backpedaling, or an actual disregarding of a post to make your own meaning from one over  focused point, then it will be a "lol no". It's all so tiresome.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Byakko on April 18, 2018, 07:40:44 pm
no proof was presented until the 6th which was a day after NPR (https://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/2017/04/05/522705705), CNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6SnIvQKN1Y), and NBC pundits all ran under the assumption that Assad was behind it.
"No proof was presented" doesn't mean they didn't already have it. You think something doesn't exist until they show it to you ?? They had it, they said "we have proof", and later they showed it to someone.
Intelligence is an actual thing that governments do, and they don't always show things to everyone. If they say "we have proof", you can't really just start shouting "they don't have proof". You could ask them to show their proof, it's definitely never going to happen because that's completely not how intelligence works, but going "they don't have proof" after they said they have proof is just being full of shit. It's your words against theirs, and your words have no value.
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By the way, it's not just the US saying that. Unlike with Iraq back then, it's everyone.
That's a lie. See, if you want to play bullshit weaseling games, I can do it too.
Except you're wrong. France immediately said we had proof, the UK also jumped in fast. So no, it's not just the US saying that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Chronan on April 18, 2018, 09:39:45 pm
no proof was presented until the 6th which was a day after NPR (https://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/2017/04/05/522705705), CNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6SnIvQKN1Y), and NBC pundits all ran under the assumption that Assad was behind it.
"No proof was presented" doesn't mean they didn't already have it. You think something doesn't exist until they show it to you ?? They had it, they said "we have proof", and later they showed it to someone.
Intelligence is an actual thing that governments do, and they don't always show things to everyone. If they say "we have proof", you can't really just start shouting "they don't have proof". You could ask them to show their proof, it's definitely never going to happen because that's completely not how intelligence works, but going "they don't have proof" after they said they have proof is just being full of shit. It's your words against theirs, and your words have no value.
I've already shown you're full of shit with the first one so I'm not going to walk in circles with you as per your standard argument tactic, like I said it's tiresome. You either get it or you don't. I've already shown our media plasters bogus stories/narratives to be first on reporting. Whether you want to eat their bullshit is your problem, it doesn't hwoever make me a liar.

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By the way, it's not just the US saying that. Unlike with Iraq back then, it's everyone.
That's a lie. See, if you want to play bullshit weaseling games, I can do it too.
Except you're wrong. France immediately said we had proof, the UK also jumped in fast. So no, it's not just the US saying that.
So you're saying it isn't "everyone"? By your own reasoning, you lied.
Also I never said "just the US said that" those were your words. Feel free to look at your bogus Iraq statement again,
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By the way, it's not just the US saying that. Unlike with Iraq back then, it's everyone.
if you believe it was ever just the US gunning for Iraq.
Again, you lied. I know it's a weasels way of calling you a liar, but I'm just playing your own shitty game on you.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Byakko on April 18, 2018, 09:51:25 pm
I've already shown you're full of shit with the first one
No. Nothing you showed says that the different governments involved don't have any proof as they say they have.
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Also I never said "just the US said that" those were your words.
That's.... That's fucking stupid. Are you pretending to misunderstand this or what ?
With Iraq, there actually were very few countries behind the US, and several countries outright disagreeing with them. Including France. This time, it's different. There is no country that claims this didn't happen (well, Russia tries to stall and pretend to ask for an investigation while blocking any investigator from coming in), at best they try not to talk about it, but no one is saying it's false, and there are other countries expressly saying they also have evidence of the attacks, unlike with Iraq.
So your comparison with the Iraq stuff is bullshit. That's what I'm saying. But as usual, you're just deflecting and pretending to misunderstand and twist my words.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 18, 2018, 09:58:08 pm

now you know why I stopped talkign to him :P
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Chronan on April 19, 2018, 11:27:41 pm
I've already shown you're full of shit with the first one
No. Nothing you showed says that the different governments involved don't have any proof as they say they have.
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Also I never said "just the US said that" those were your words.
That's.... That's fucking stupid. Are you pretending to misunderstand this or what ?
With Iraq, there actually were very few countries behind the US, and several countries outright disagreeing with them. Including France. This time, it's different. There is no country that claims this didn't happen (well, Russia tries to stall and pretend to ask for an investigation while blocking any investigator from coming in), at best they try not to talk about it, but no one is saying it's false, and there are other countries expressly saying they also have evidence of the attacks, unlike with Iraq.
So your comparison with the Iraq stuff is bullshit. That's what I'm saying. But as usual, you're just deflecting and pretending to misunderstand and twist my words.
You're lost. You accusation of me pretending to misunderstand you, is EXACTLY what you are doing to me, that's why I turned your own shitty tactic on you, and as expected you can't even see it because you're so up your own ass or you have ZERO reading comprehension skills.

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No. Nothing you showed says that the different governments involved don't have any proof as they say they have.
You want to know why? Because I never said the "different governments involved had no proof.". I know you love spinning people's arguments so you can try and force them to defend points they weren't even making, but my critique is, was, and always has been on the US media. Why you insist on twisting the point I made to some overfocused place I wasn't talking about is beyond me, but I am aware this is how you've done it for as long as I've read your ignorant opinions on the US, and funny enough you can't handle it being given right back to you the same way.

Thanks for finally acknowledging you're a liar by your own reason on the Iraq comparison though! If you still insist on acting like you don't know why I called you on that then maybe you really do lack reading comprehension, again it's exactly the same thing you did to me. Whether you believe it to be an apt comparison had nothing to do with it.

Otherwise, I already made my points available, you refused to even look at them outside your bias on their meanings and instead twisted my point into your own warped meanings. You can feel free to disagree, or call me a liar for giving an opinion which I backed up only to have it spun into something else again. If you want to try dancing around being schooled again feel free. Seems Bastard Mami's looking for a partner. I won't bother circling the drain with you anymore though, you're game is just so damn boring and obvious at this point.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Byakko on April 20, 2018, 12:15:07 am
You want to know why? Because I never said the "different governments involved had no proof.".
But that has been your entire point. "No proof was presented", "everyone ran under the assumption that Assad did it", you somehow claimed they might have evidence but it was "not proof", you insist that "no investigation was completed at the time", throwing links about articles saying the investigation is being blocked and implying it can only mean they don't have proof... All of this is an attempt to throw discredit. You're trying to imply it's possible they're either wrong or lying, because you remember how it went last time the US government did the same thing.
Yes, I did read your points. None of it matters because you're skirting around the point, not making one yourself. I am telling you that you don't have proof that they have nothing when they say "we have proof". I am telling you that none of your arguments actually mean anything, regardless of how hard you're trying to imply things.

I'm not playing any game with you trying to figure out which one of us can be ridiculed the hardest. When you say they didn't have any proof at the time (and you did say that, it's the first thing I responded to), you're lying, because you don't know what they have and when they had it. No news article you find can possibly change the veracity of this because you don't actually have access to what the armies of three different countries have and you weren't actually there. There's literally nothing else to say other than you're lying. Unless you secretly work at the Pentagon or something ??

But please, you go on and keep playing your pretend games of "tactics" just so you can tell yourself you're the smart guy or whatever you're jerking off to.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Dust Storm on May 18, 2018, 11:41:54 am
Threads like this is why I stay out of politics nowadays.

People refusing to argue in good faith. People more interested in throwing insults and stroking hateboners than having actual discussion. And this isn't some vocal minority.

I'll hear out people who want to be heard out. I'm all for letting people speak their minds.

I'll be watching the political shitstorms that happen fucking everywhere because it's sometimes fucking hilarious. Yes, that includes this thread. (Hi VGames)

I'll take solace in the fact that we can set aside our differences when it comes to just entertainment, casual or competitive. Well, a good number of us, anyway.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Slivern on May 19, 2018, 04:31:10 am
I was hopeful for the idea of North and South Korea formally signing a peace treaty. I think it's going downhill fast already.

But it would be SO nice if I could see a decade old frozen conflict formally end once in my life, which in turn, closes the curtain on the Korean War for good.

What a shame.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: The Federal Bureau of Golden Showers
Post by: Flowrellik on May 19, 2018, 04:41:12 am
Something tells me that someone showed Kim Jong Un the beef that Trump caused the peace. If both Koreas were smart they would unite and bring on a revolution to kick the GOP out.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Korean Family Feud
Post by: aokmaniac13 on June 10, 2018, 09:52:26 pm
Gotta love those freudian slips

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1005857941143113728
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Hahaha oops

That moment when a Fox & Friends host accidentally calls Trump a dictator and no one even bats an eye

Huntsman: "Regardless of what happens in that meeting between the two dictators, what we're seeing right now, this is history."
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Kim & Don season 1 marathon this summer
Post by: Odb718 on June 11, 2018, 09:26:57 pm
Lol Bronko. It just sorta felt right.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: All in the family
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 20, 2018, 09:37:42 pm
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/20/trump-signs-executive-order-to-end-family-separations-bts.cnn

Trump just signed an executive order to cease family separations at the border.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: All in the family
Post by: Odb718 on June 21, 2018, 06:35:09 am
Makes me want to just hug a flag.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: All in the family
Post by: The Sudden Rarity on June 21, 2018, 08:54:26 am
Any particular flag in mind, or just a general flag?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: All in the family
Post by: Odb718 on June 21, 2018, 10:34:56 am
Oh, you know the one
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3HxASlNQ2JWf9TPUCz/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Sweets for Angela
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 21, 2018, 05:07:14 pm
Trump reportedly threw Starburst candies at German Chancellor Angela Merkel during negotiations at the G7 summit while remarking "Don’t say I never give you anything" (https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/trump-reportedly-tossed-a-starburst-toward-merkel-during-g7-summit/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Sweets for Angela
Post by: The Sudden Rarity on June 21, 2018, 07:14:53 pm
Oh, you know the one
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3HxASlNQ2JWf9TPUCz/giphy.gif)

How awkward of him.

And fucking Starburst candies?  Are you kidding me?  Starburst are a good candy, but c'mon, that's very disrespectful.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Sweets for Angela
Post by: Byakko on June 21, 2018, 07:53:23 pm
More interestingly, he was pouting with his arms crossed like a child surrounded by adults scolding him, then he folded like a bitch saying fine I'll sign, threw in one more insult, and then after he left he said actually nu-uh I'm pulling out of the thing I just signed.
I mean...
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Sweets for Angela
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 25, 2018, 03:28:58 pm
Even Deez Nuts is a better choice for President at this point.
Literally.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 26, 2018, 05:18:17 pm
SCOTUS has ruled 5-4 in favor of Trump's 2017 travel ban, ruling it a constitutional invocation of presidential powers. (https://nypost.com/2018/06/26/supreme-court-upholds-trumps-travel-ban/)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on June 26, 2018, 09:26:48 pm
So this is a question for other fellow non-Americans, since they don't do so well with world history, but anyone else getting Gestapo vibes from these ICE fellows?

Stopping people on the highway to check for there papers, ransacking businesses that employ immigrants and shutting them down, sticking unwanted immigrants into concentration camps?

American is walking down a very, very dark road, and this is all reminding me way to much Germany circa the 1930's.

I know the alt-right wingers knee jerk reaction is to instantly dismiss this as Godwin's Law, but that's bullshit. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its probably a Nazi Duck.

Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Byakko on June 26, 2018, 10:46:38 pm
this is all reminding me way to much Germany circa the 1930's.
It shouldn't because it's a completely different situation. Germany went into that willingly because they were being crushed by actual problems and an agonizing economy and society (as the consequence of a war that they also caused, sure, but still). This should remind you of every other dictatorship that at first pretends to be a democracy, like some that pop up somewhere in the Middle East or in the middle of Africa or Latin America, or Russia (except less smart), which isn't that much better, but there's less risk that they'll start physically invade everyone around them for a long time, just shoot them down if they try to come in.
But yeah, calling the current administration stormtroopers is close enough. And it's close enough to Nazis in general because apparently they're "good people".

What's the most mind-numbing is that a lot of Republican representatives on every level have completely stopped pretending to care about democracy. Some of them in Congress or whatever try to show up from time to time on TV saying "this time he's gone too far" on a regular basis but still without doing anything about it, they just let it roll and see if it can't work out for them as long as possible for some reason. That's the problem with people who keep going either "sure you won, but you still have to work with us and we'll scream if you don't !" or "we won, so you shut up now, we're not working with you, you're working with us !" no matter where things go.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 26, 2018, 11:34:03 pm
SCOTUS has ruled 5-4 in favor of Trump's 2017 travel ban, ruling it a constitutional invocation of presidential powers. (https://nypost.com/2018/06/26/supreme-court-upholds-trumps-travel-ban/)

THIS... This is why they wanted to stack the Supreme Court in their favor. So bullshit policies can be enacted because of fear... none of those nations mentioned are a threat to the United States. So why target them?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Astro on June 28, 2018, 09:08:14 am
this is all reminding me way to much Germany circa the 1930's.
It shouldn't because it's a completely different situation. Germany went into that willingly because they were being crushed by actual problems and an agonizing economy and society (as the consequence of a war that they also caused, sure, but still). This should remind you of every other dictatorship that at first pretends to be a democracy, like some that pop up somewhere in the Middle East or in the middle of Africa or Latin America, or Russia (except less smart), which isn't that much better, but there's less risk that they'll start physically invade everyone around them for a long time, just shoot them down if they try to come in.
But yeah, calling the current administration stormtroopers is close enough. And it's close enough to Nazis in general because apparently they're "good people".

What's the most mind-numbing is that a lot of Republican representatives on every level have completely stopped pretending to care about democracy. Some of them in Congress or whatever try to show up from time to time on TV saying "this time he's gone too far" on a regular basis but still without doing anything about it, they just let it roll and see if it can't work out for them as long as possible for some reason. That's the problem with people who keep going either "sure you won, but you still have to work with us and we'll scream if you don't !" or "we won, so you shut up now, we're not working with you, you're working with us !" no matter where things go.


"they were being crushed by actual problems and an agonizing economy and society" - We have: police killings, crowd shooter violence, opioid crises, home market failings, to name a few on a long list. It's not accurate because at least Germany didn't have as many issues, but there is a definite percentage of people who are willingly accepting this behavior

America is no longer a democracy.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Byakko on June 28, 2018, 09:55:53 am
Sure, but Germany was in a far deeper hole than that.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: CF7 on July 01, 2018, 10:10:04 pm
American is walking down a very, very dark road (...)
Y'see, it's funny. In my country, every time Trump does anything, all newspeople say, "he is stupid, he is going to destroy his countries' economy, he is going to make western civilization go nuclear', and yet, every action of his make his country grow. So what I understand from this is that the newspapers lie a lot, and that he is a great man. I wish my country had a politician like him, who would say, my country first, who would open up the markets, diminish taxes and redact deals that are not good to my country.

America is no longer a democracy.
Yes, they are: They can control their own borders. The countries inside eurozone can't, and that's what I would call a dictatorship.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: OZ on July 02, 2018, 02:52:30 am
he is a reality television personality. he stands for nothing. end of discussion.
a disgraced republican party has used the media blitz to hold on to their puritanical political ideals for as long as they can
and have quite possibly damned us all in the meantime

please, non-US citizens, forget this country
learn from our mistakes

P.S SPOILER: america is not getting better
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: YugaCurry on July 02, 2018, 05:17:35 am
That's disappointing. I have always wanted to move to the US and live there. I don't see that happening anytime soon, not with Trump in charge.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 02, 2018, 03:54:55 pm
who would open up the markets, diminish taxes

He is closing the markets; harvey davidson is out.

Diminishing taxes is good, but onlt if you also have to diminish government spending, otherwise you create deficit or debt, not that it would matter for his generation, tho.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: SCOTUS upholds travel ban 5-4
Post by: GTOAkira on July 23, 2018, 11:31:27 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021234525626609666
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To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: IRANIAN RAGEFEST EDITION
Post by: Santtu on July 24, 2018, 10:05:54 pm
Change the title to "caps lock is cruise control for cool".
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 22, 2018, 07:57:14 pm
Manafort found guilty on 8 charges of tax evasion & bank fraud (https://nypost.com/2018/08/21/paul-manafort-found-guilty-of-tax-fraud/)

Should also be worth noting that Michael Cohen also plead guilty to 8 charges
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: VGames on August 22, 2018, 10:00:15 pm
Yeah that sucks for them.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 11:20:55 pm
In his latest literally insane attempt to derail the investigation into him, Trump has accused Robert Mueller and James Comey of being totally gay with each other and says he has 100 pictures (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b90a668e4b0162f4729bd87) of them kissing. 
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Flowrellik on September 07, 2018, 12:59:16 am
Wow, Commander and Cheeto sure does not give up doesn't he? That's got to be his weakest accusation yet.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Foobs on September 07, 2018, 01:40:20 am
Pretty crazy, but it doesn't top accusing The Cruz Missile's father of assassinating JFK.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: GTOAkira on May 31, 2020, 06:18:09 am
Sorry for the bump but this is pretty fucking scary honestly. Feels like what a 3rd world country dictator would say
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266711221191020544
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Great job last night at the White House by the U.S.
@SecretService
. They were not only totally professional, but very cool. I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe. They let the “protesters” scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone....
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....got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard - didn’t know what hit them. The front line was replaced with fresh agents, like magic. Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would....
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....have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least. Many Secret Service agents just waiting for action. “We put the young ones on the front line, sir, they love it, and....
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....good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! On the bad side, the D.C. Mayor,
@MurielBowser
, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the D.C. Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!
Stay safe out there everyone
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Mgbenz on June 01, 2020, 06:36:34 pm
Dude that twitter account is a fake troll right. Like the word "real" in the name not tip you off?


Anyway twitter is batshit to be on right now. There are people literally making shit up to get attention and everyone is believing them with no evidence beyond "someone told me" no questions ask. They even go so far as to get random cops personal information so they can get the gullible people on twitter to harass them and their families. It's an absolute shitshow.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Iced on June 01, 2020, 06:54:18 pm
Dude that twitter account is a fake troll right. Like the word "real" in the name not tip you off?


Anyway twitter is batshit to be on right now. There are people literally making shit up to get attention and everyone is believing them with no evidence beyond "someone told me" no questions ask. They even go so far as to get random cops personal information so they can get the gullible people on twitter to harass them and their families. It's an absolute shitshow.

Not only is it the real one, here you can see how he then retweets it with the official potus account.
https://twitter.com/POTUS
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Gennos on June 01, 2020, 07:16:44 pm
Dude that twitter account is a fake troll right. Like the word "real" in the name not tip you off?
Its a verified account. And have you been living under a rock, dude? He's been using this account even before he became a president.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Mgbenz on June 01, 2020, 09:46:07 pm
Considering I generally don't give a fuck about American politics (especially twitter accounts of politicians) yes I've been living under a rock on that front.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Gennos on June 02, 2020, 11:39:14 am
While it is sad that racism and police brutality is still prevalent in the US. I don't care what this idiot is doing to his country too. His incompetence and ignorance is gonna run into the ground.
Its one of the worst time for America right now, with the virus pandemic and the riots throughout most of its states. Meanwhile, you have the president of the US threatening to shut down twitter because they deleted his tweet.
"When the lootings starts, the shootings starts"
And he's gonna actually do it, He's threatening to deploy the US army to start shooting the looters (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/donald-trump-national-address-race/index.html).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: kakkoii superhero on June 02, 2020, 02:06:49 pm
all sounds understandable if the looters are looting for food and basic necessities, and not some random boutique shit.  due to social media and mimicry mentality the same protest is exported to other countries too why do Indonesian celebrities care about a black dude killed by a white cop on the otherside of the planet. what the hell mankind, why cant people mimic better thing like wearing mask in public or staying at home whenever possible.
I have lived through riot, and looting, killing and raping of the minority here some 22 yrs ago, i hope this won't give idea to some people with political ambition to make up stuff riding the hype to destabilize post pandemic government in other nations   
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Umezono on June 02, 2020, 08:21:03 pm
People should care about racism, yeah
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: walt on June 02, 2020, 08:44:34 pm
From the outside, it's hard to watch the thing unravel. Don't get me wrong, the injustice of George Floyd's death, it's a wrong that must be righted, Police responsible brought to justice. The hard pill to swallow is the Riots. Not the peaceful protests, but the actual violence.

But then you read about the inflitrated instigators, and the completely tipped scale of protestors arrests leaning towards black protestors, and then the rage becomes understandable.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Byakko on June 02, 2020, 09:49:17 pm
Police responsible brought to justice.
The sad part is we all know how that goes. Currently, it seems all 4 officers involved are under federal investigation (even the one who was just standing and watching his buddy murder the guy). Best case scenario, they all get punished (actually punished, not just getting a big paycheck to leave). That's still not going to wash the entire slime of corruption that's everywhere, the countless murderers who don't give a shit because they're wearing a badge. What punishment are you getting if you're one of those mayors going on TV and literally blaming Floyd's death on the looters ?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: kakkoii superhero on June 03, 2020, 03:13:01 am
i bet some of those youngsters just there roleplaying division2 mask and hoodies and then do crazy shit what a better timing especially after staying at home for boring long time lets grab some iphone or sneakers, racism and police brutality happen everywhere  anytime why now, why gather to demonstrate while your country is still top of the list in covid daily cases.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Neocide on June 03, 2020, 03:24:53 am
 because people are tired of it happening over and over, and it happened 3 more times within the quarantine,on camera, Like enough is enough, this stuff happens all the time and we make noise and then it just is swept under the rug again and again. Also because police brutality and racism happens everywhere is not a reason to just be like"oh well" that's just as much as part of the problem as being on the other side.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: kakkoii superhero on June 03, 2020, 06:45:52 am
but cant the action be done through social media alone, your country is a giant red zone of virus pandemic. why now why on the street? its inevitable when mob gathering on the street it would be infiltrated by people who just want to break and steal stuff, and once the first few started it, then the rest will follow,  it sucks too for business owners to be looted after a long time no sales.  some 20 yrs back it happened here, I saw on TV our capital was ransacked, mall burned, children laughing carrying TV or other thing as if all normal and acceptable, and then supposedly rich minority get robbed, burglarized, raped, and killed by frenzy mob, and the country forgets. Im a minority in my country just lucky I live in relatively timid small town, and my family is not rich, but I was afraid angry mob would stop me on the street, lucky it was different time, before social media so the hype don't really reach small town like ours.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Cyanide on June 03, 2020, 07:51:32 am
By the time the incredibly mishandled in america pandemic is over the election will be over too and all of this will be forgotten again by the time thats happened.

Americas policing system is fucked from what ive read. Cops are meant to de-escalate situations not inflame them. This probably goes hand in hand with their fucked political system and health system.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Ziltoid on June 03, 2020, 07:59:36 am
but cant the action be done through social media alone

It was done, for years. And it was met with silence.

Yet another senseless death made the people finally snap, and honestly the thing that surprised me most is the fact that this didn't happen long before. I'm not american, but if I were I would be in the streets with the protesters. With a mask and eye protectors.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Neocide on June 03, 2020, 08:13:21 am
it was a tipping point.It's like you can only sit and yell at a screen for so long, you need the people who need to hear how we feel to hear it. Sadly it probably will get forgotten but that is exactly why people are so pissed. It happens time and time again and we yell and plead and beg for a change but it just the same ol fucking run around. When the people in charge of this country and the police force don't even see a systemic racism problem, they see it as a few "bad apples" but then we get more and more. And they say the same ol fucking thing. It's bullshit.

I've actually dealt with nice cops, and a bunch of shitty ones, but thing is, I shouldn't ever feel unsafe when a cop car comes around. I literally think of jaws when I see a cop car, shit is terrifying, and it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: MAO11 on June 03, 2020, 08:24:44 am
but cant the action be done through social media alone

It was done, for years. And it was met with silence.

Yet another senseless death made the people finally snap, and honestly the thing that surprised me most is the fact that this didn't happen long before. I'm not american, but if I were I would be in the streets with the protesters. With a mask and eye protectors.

it happened in california before during oj simpson trial. and it happened a couple years back too.

did they published the autopsy yet?
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Ziltoid on June 03, 2020, 08:30:05 am
it happened in california before during oj simpson trial. and it happened a couple years back too.

did they published the autopsy yet?

I'm not saying it's enough. I'm saying it was inevitable.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on June 03, 2020, 08:58:35 am
The situation in USA is really fucked up, chaotic to say at least. Confront violence with even more violence (from any side) will not solve the problem.
All because of a stupid f**** that did what he did with G. Floyd. Sadly because of few idiots that can't be considered cops whatsoever that all this situation is happend.

By the time the incredibly mishandled in america pandemic is over the election will be over too and all of this will be forgotten again by the time thats happened.

Yeah, that happend here in Brazil too when something serious happend and when the election come it's like nothing happend.
And damn, the political scenario in Brazil is really going even worst.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: GTOAkira on June 04, 2020, 06:05:14 am
Its way more than just a few idiots. The cops legit dont care about the protestor. Not only that but you got Trump making the situation even worst with using the cops to clean a church so that he could take his dumbass picture. You also have the NYPD pretty much declaring war to the people.
So yeah its not just a few idiots. People are mad at the entire police infrastructure. The cops are the one making the protest violent. Doesnt help that Trump is treating the situation like a complete joke.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: MAO11 on June 04, 2020, 07:55:58 am
it happened in california before during oj simpson trial. and it happened a couple years back too.

did they published the autopsy yet?

I'm not saying it's enough. I'm saying it was inevitable.

riots and protests are a joke anyway.  you'd see a rival political group would swoop in provoke and use the people to gain leverage. i've seen this time and time again from different countries. same shit , if they truly wanted justice for the man they would've gotten into court and do a proper investigation. support his family , and get the men responsible for his death.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Gennos on June 04, 2020, 08:02:59 am
and get the men responsible for his death.
Which they did (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/george-floyd-officers-charges/index.html).
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Niitris on June 04, 2020, 04:36:14 pm
Irresponsible officer (a just system would see the little shithead get hanged or stoned) caused a massive shitstorm because he couldn't help but to kill an already cuffed suspect. Duh not all officers are bad, but you win and lose as a team. Police force and their supporters have to hold that L.

As said before, this is years of pent up frustration. Not just at police brutality (that was the catalyst and the main point of discussion), but at the overall oppression of Black America.

For decades, politicians pump perverse incentives (excess welfare) into the communities, mainly to black women. Then use the racist labor unions to keep black men out of work. Which in turn causes them to be rejected by their partners, because the government is a better financial partner. And then turn to crime, drug use, and other vices. Breaking up the family unit and causing an overwhelming amount of single parent families. Then the wealthy prop up and glorify a irresponsible and hedonistic lifestyle (promoted by hip-hop, the popular stuff anyway) and tell young blacks to emulate these people. Which in turn produces more blacks for the police to profile and/or to turn into a statistic. The end result is decades of generational decline.

This is modern day black oppression. It has little to do with slavery or segregation, contrary to what the masses would have you believe (reparations are totally laughable and will do nothing). Media has blame as well for excessively stoking the racism angle, selling anger and outrage to an already downtrodden peoples. That's for a different rant though.

It's not a coincidence that Black America is beginning to reject the Democrats, mainstream ones anyway. Sure they're not going Kanye-level Trump supporter, but they're tired of the empty gestures from all these white fox liberals (as Malcolm X called them). This is why despite everything going on, presumed opponent Biden is still not overwhelmingly favored to oust Trump.

I feel awful for the innocents being swept up in this. Looting and vandalism is wrong. I don't like that it's being justified, and it neglects the numerous people the lawlessness effects (person themselves, family, friends, etc). As for the mass protesting, this is something that do-nothing urban politicians and dipshit officers had coming to them for a long time. Take responsibility.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: Nep Heart on June 04, 2020, 05:40:03 pm
 Everything in the post above is exactly how I feel about the current situation in my country.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 04, 2020, 11:34:35 pm
Since this thread was dug from the grave to become the de facto Floyd protests thread, went ahead and changed the title to reflect that.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: kakkoii superhero on June 05, 2020, 02:21:51 am
it happened in california before during oj simpson trial. and it happened a couple years back too.

did they published the autopsy yet?

I'm not saying it's enough. I'm saying it was inevitable.

riots and protests are a joke anyway.  you'd see a rival political group would swoop in provoke and use the people to gain leverage. i've seen this time and time again from different countries. same shit , if they truly wanted justice for the man they would've gotten into court and do a proper investigation. support his family , and get the men responsible for his death.

totally agree, I feel most of them just blowing off their steam from their own stress most likely got to do with corona and it's impact,  than the racism alone.

then rivals politician riding on it, vandals and criminals partying in it, media blow air on it and flavor it with bombastic headlines
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Manafort Found Guilty
Post by: kakkoii superhero on June 05, 2020, 04:08:13 am
sometime it is just because the way you dress or carry yourself too, if you bulk up and dressed in hoodie hands in the pockets and behave to look menacing, streetpunks might leave you alone but cops might be alerted by you, if you dress like a rich dude cops will leave you alone, and streetpunks and robbers will bother you. 

fitted jeans and tucked shirt probably the safest most neutral way of dressing, people won't assume you to be anything.

I once followed, overtaken on both sides then stopped by 2 cops on motorcycle and led to nearby police post  while riding home on my bike from campus (late 90 or early 00) because I wear black full face helmet with black visor, and black leather jacket zipped up on a red bike, no other reason just because I stood out color wise at that time from the rest of the traffic, got to pay small fine for the way I installed the front license plate(=cop losing face money)

I still wear the same when on bike but the rest of the traffic here now have dressed pretty close so I don't get stopped anymore, I never fixed the way I installed the front license plate on my motorcycle since it is the most ideal way on sport bike type, never have any problem regarding that with other police encounters.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: GTOAkira on January 06, 2021, 09:54:39 pm
Its crazy how it keep getting worst...
https://www.resetera.com/threads/dc-riot-trump-maga-gop-supporters-have-stormed-capitol-building-report-of-shots-fired-senate-evacuated-developing-see-threadmarks-for-updates.356653/
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: walt on January 06, 2021, 10:02:19 pm
I've been following up in real time on Twitter. This shit show is certifiably insane.

Surprisingly, lord of darkness Mitch McConnell had to come out and defend democracy from Trump. I didn't quite see it coming
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: Umezono on January 06, 2021, 10:14:25 pm
they let these guys just walk into the Capitol lmfao
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: Darkflare on January 09, 2021, 07:31:57 am
Trump is permabanned from Twitter  (https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1347684877634838528?s=20)
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: Mushypepito123 on January 09, 2021, 08:50:16 am
i'll bet he'd be ranting like hitler.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: GTOAkira on January 09, 2021, 10:20:02 pm
He wasnt just ban from twitter once, he actually got 3 differents accounts banned lmao. He kept trying to dodge it.
Title: Re: The Donald Trump Political MAGAthread: Justice for Floyd edition
Post by: TotalDramaXtremist on January 10, 2021, 12:34:26 am
Not just Twitter. Facebook, Google, Snapchat, Tiktok, and even Reddit have had enough of Trump's chicanery and banned his ass from their platforms.