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Title: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Sean Altly on July 27, 2011, 10:02:01 pm

This sub-forum is for the development of my next full-game project, Capcom vs. The World.

Concept

The idea here is to make a game that I have had ideas for since I was a teenager. It pits famous Capcom characters against characters from various other sources and franchises. It's definitely a fantasy crossover that will provide for some interesting match-ups. It shouldn't take as long as SHADEs 2, as far as development goes, since most of the characters are sprited already.

Roster

Click Here (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=132172.0)

Gameplay

The gameplay will be a blend of MVC-style commands and combos, but with more grounded physics (there will be super-jumps, but definitely not like MVC). Here are some more details, conveniently in list form:

-6 button gameplay (Light Punch, Heavy Punch, Light Kick, Heavy Kick)
-The 5th button is specifically for grabs/throws
-The 6th Button is the "Unique Tactic" button, which performs a character specific action or attack, and is also used for Supers
-Super commands will be MVC-style but with the "UT" button, as in QCF+UT, QCB+UT, etc.
-EX Moves a possibility definitely
-Combo system will be similar to MVC2, but not exactly like it
-Every character has a launcher and air combos
-I will try to give every character at least one Aerial Special
-I am still trying to figure out an original gameplay mechanic, something like SF4's Focus Attack or MVC3's X-Factor, that sets it apart from other games. I am open to suggestions in that area, so feel free to leave some! This is now the Unique Tactic mechanic

This page will be updated constantly, so let me know what you think and keep checking for new info.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Duo Solo on July 27, 2011, 10:20:59 pm

Wow, Im really looking forward to this. Looking forward to using your Sub Zero

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Steel Komodo on July 27, 2011, 10:36:24 pm

Hmm... Looking good so far, but I'm not so sure about having a seperate throw button. In most Capcom games, throws have usually been a punch button and a kick button combined with a direction (lp+lk, in the case of SFIV) or a single button and direction (hp, for MvC3). But I suppose it might make things a bit more interesting, so...  ;P

As for original features, I have two ideas, both of which come from project ideas of my own (none of which will see the light of day, sadly). I present to you the Health Tier System and the Adrenaline System.

Spoiler: Health Tier System (click to see content)

• The Health Bar is divided into "tiers" that represent the state of the character - green, yellow and red. This could be represented by segments on the bar. As health is chipped away, the tiers change.
• Characters can only perform certain moves when their health in the green tier - This could be EX moves or the next best thing you've got.
• In the red tier (the last 30% or so of health), a special desperation move becomes available, only when the entire Super Bar is charged.

Spoiler: Adrenaline System (click to see content)

• This mechanic assumes the Super Bar has four levels, instead of the five seen in other Vs. games.
• Characters can spend 1 bar of energy to perform an EX move, or a Wave Dodge that avoids projectile moves. The Wave Dodge can also be used to cancel into more complex combos (think the Juke System from Project Lensman).
• Two bars can be spent to perform a combo breaker or something similar.
• I'm not sure what to do with all four bars. Either a finishing move or desperation move might be appropriate, but that might never happen seeing as you've got Level 3 Hyper Combos going around.

Hope these suggestions were of use to you. Keep up the good work.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Hadoabuser on July 28, 2011, 12:41:00 am

Block Pull

While in state 120 if you push the throw button when opponent movehit = [1,2] you do a sort of parry animation and they "slide" off you block. By falling over or you go behind them by "pulling" their appendage.

Interpret as needed.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Duo Solo on July 28, 2011, 12:46:28 am

@Steel Komodo
I dont see how EX moves are possible when Supers are already performed with two buttons and a command.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cazaki on July 28, 2011, 07:58:08 pm

Lol I just had a terrible idea: Supers are done MvC style and EX moves are done SF super style. Talk about weird. Imagine doing QCF x2 + P to do an EX Hadouken.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cybaster on July 29, 2011, 12:32:16 am

And let's put the basics as KOF type commands. I propose ~DB,DF,DB,DU+x/y for s.LP, hcb*2+x/y for s.SP, qcf*4 in the air for a.LK, etc.
Who's with me ? :D

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Sean Altly on July 29, 2011, 12:51:46 am

My friend and I were just discussing a way to include EX moves. Basically, since only 5 of the 6 buttons are in use, we could use the 6th button as a "Special" button. It would work this way:

-Pressing the Special Button normally would do a KoF-style Blowback attack
-Pressing it while blocking would do an MVC-style Gdvancing guard
-Supers would now be done with this button, freeing up 2P and 2K for EX Moves.

What do you think?

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Duo Solo on July 29, 2011, 01:45:32 am

Example with Ryu: press --> + Special to perform Sinku Hadouken, <-- + Special for Sinku Tatsumaki Senpuu, and l + Special for Shin Shroyuken.
                                                                                                                                                                            V
or you can just do normal commands with the special button.
                                                                                                                                                                           

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cazaki on July 29, 2011, 01:50:40 am

Sean Altly said, July 29, 2011, 12:51:46 am

My friend and I were just discussing a way to include EX moves. Basically, since only 5 of the 6 buttons are in use, we could use the 6th button as a "Special" button. It would work this way:

-Pressing the Special Button normally would do a KoF-style Blowback attack
-Pressing it while blocking would do an MVC-style Gdvancing guard
-Supers would now be done with this button, freeing up 2P and 2K for EX Moves.

What do you think?

Actually that's a delicious idea, however I don't think you should use it for supers. I think it should be the trigger to the Level 3 super that the characters have, however. So the general formula would be a punch super, a kick super, and a special button super. Not only does it make it so you don't get supers you don't want, but it is...organized. Yummy.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cybaster on July 29, 2011, 02:00:39 am

I say "why not" to the idea, but still not completely convinced. Doesn't feel right to press 2 buttons for ex moves but only one for supers.

SF4 on iPhone has a nice thing where the 3 attack buttons are punch, kick and special. On Ryu (SP = special button) :
- qcf+P would do Hadouken, qcf+SP would do EX Hadouken.
- qcb+K would do Hurricane Kick, qcb+SP would do EX Hurricane Kick.
- dp+P would do Shoryuken, dp+SP would do EX Shoryuken.
This works well, but obviously you have a problem in your character when there's a qcf+P AND a qcf+K, and you wouldn't be able to differentiate qcf+SP... bleh, scrap this idea.

Are you keen on sort of "MAX Mode" or "Excel Mode". You could have your special button being pressed when you have control or anywhere in the middle of combos, making a bar appear and draining you powerbar too in the meantime. You can press the special button at any time to go out of the mode. In this mode, all your specials become EX moves, and supers get their boost version if they have any.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Sean Altly on July 29, 2011, 03:00:19 am

Cazaki said, July 29, 2011, 01:50:40 am

Actually that's a delicious idea, however I don't think you should use it for supers. I think it should be the trigger to the Level 3 super that the characters have, however. So the general formula would be a punch super, a kick super, and a special button super. Not only does it make it so you don't get supers you don't want, but it is...organized. Yummy.

Well, one of the main reasons for using it is for supers so we could have EX moves. I'm trying to figure out how ot make it work.  :S

Cybaster said, July 29, 2011, 02:00:39 am

Are you keen on sort of "MAX Mode" or "Excel Mode". You could have your special button being pressed when you have control or anywhere in the middle of combos, making a bar appear and draining you powerbar too in the meantime. You can press the special button at any time to go out of the mode. In this mode, all your specials become EX moves, and supers get their boost version if they have any.

That would be cool, but I still want to have EX moves because I like the versatility and options it opens up (a nice middle ground between Supers and Specials). In MAX Mode it could make the specials into EX versions for no cost of the bar, that way there's a benefit and they can still have EX moves during general gameplay.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cazaki on July 29, 2011, 03:06:30 am

I misinterpreted your post, but in a sexy way that might just work. The way that I had it confused was that you do the motions for normal moves but if you use the Special button then it turns into an EX attack. So say...for CM Punk.

QCF + Any punch would give you your rekka.
QCF + The special button would give you an ex rekka.
QCF x2 + Any punch would give you your level 1 super.
QCF x2 + The special button would give you your level 3 super.

^ Tell me how you feel about that.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 29, 2011, 03:16:07 am

I kinda like the setup you have now, but perhaps using the SHADES style could work (with the 4 button+throw setup you have now).

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 29, 2011, 03:20:26 am

Since SHADES uses only 5 buttons the best way to have EX modes on a MVC style super commands would be to add a sixth button that acts as a SHIFT button.

Doing a special move while holding the SHIFT button would result in an EX move (Bah, no need to hold it, press it at the same time would work aswell but holding it would make it easier).

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cazaki on July 29, 2011, 03:50:59 am

Well with what I said no need to press 2 buttons, just one.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cybaster on July 29, 2011, 04:39:23 am

But with what you said, it gives the same problem as SF4 for iPhone.
What if a character has qcf+P AND qcf+K as specials, how do you make the EX move for both the specials ?

About Rednavi's idea, it's a good compromise. I'm more worried that it could make some moves hard to perform. For example, if the special/shift button is on Z (C is for throws), then the kick EX specials would have to be motion + a/b + z, which is not really my favourite type of motion as it implies diagonally placed button press.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cazaki on July 29, 2011, 04:41:02 am

.....Have different motions!?  :disappointed:

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 29, 2011, 04:44:23 am

Cybaster said, July 29, 2011, 04:39:23 am

About Rednavi's idea, it's a good compromise. I'm more worried that it could make some moves hard to perform. For example, if the special/shift button is on Z (C is for throws), then the kick EX specials would have to be motion + a/b + z, which is not really my favourite type of motion as it implies diagonally placed button press.

I had in mind a PS2 controller when I posted that :P. R1 would be the C button (Throw) and R2 the shift button. It looks simple to me and hell, there's people who play with Carl in Blazblue so whatever :gonk:

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 29, 2011, 04:54:44 am

Rednavi said, July 29, 2011, 03:20:26 am

Since SHADES uses only 5 buttons

SHADES is 6 button. CvW is 5 button.

Also when I said SHADES-style system this does not mean the inclusion of DMs

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Sean Altly on July 29, 2011, 07:26:20 am

That's why I think the Special button is better served for Supers. No one will have more than 3 or 4 supers, so there's no danger of running out of/conflicting commands, and you'll never accidentally throw out a super while trying to do a special or EX move.

So it would be like, for Ryu:

Hadouken - QCF+P
EX Hadouken - QCF+2P
Shinkuu Hadouken - QCF+S

He has three supers, so they'd work like this:

Shinkuu Hadouken - QCF+S
Shinkuu Tatsumaki - QCB+S
Shin Shoryuken - F,D,DF+S

No conflicting commands (though you might accidentally get a Shinkuu Hadouken when trying to do a Shin Shoryuken every once in a while, but it's not a big deal, you just have to be more precise with commands).

Cazaki said, July 29, 2011, 03:06:30 am

I misinterpreted your post, but in a sexy way that might just work. The way that I had it confused was that you do the motions for normal moves but if you use the Special button then it turns into an EX attack. So say...for CM Punk.

QCF + Any punch would give you your rekka.
QCF + The special button would give you an ex rekka.
QCF x2 + Any punch would give you your level 1 super.
QCF x2 + The special button would give you your level 3 super.

^ Tell me how you feel about that.

I was avoiding double motions because of the fast gameplay style (the MVC commands just work better for it). I had a poll in the first Capcom vs The World thread where people voted whether they wanted SF-style Super Commands (QCFx2+P) or MVC commands (QCF+2P), and the MVC commands won.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Steel Komodo on July 29, 2011, 10:50:02 am

Oh, dear. Look what I've started.  ;P

I only used EX moves as an example of what could be done with my features. I wasn't asking you to put them in, per se. If you don't want to put them in, you don't have to, but I suggest you don't, because it's just going to get confusing.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 29, 2011, 10:58:14 am

LOL why I wrote SHADES instead of CvW? XD

If you're willing to add a special button dedicated to the supers I'm all for it!  :yugoi:

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Steel Komodo on July 29, 2011, 02:48:39 pm

But I can't help but feel that the only reason that we're talking about the extra button is because I brought up EX Moves in my suggestions. And then everyone jumped on board with that idea, and now Sean Alty's going out of his way to change the control scheme to include them. In essence, this is kind of my fault.  :P

Don't bother with EX moves, Sean. Or that extra button. There's no reason to add them because of me. The control scheme's fine the way it is.

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Cazaki on July 29, 2011, 07:38:17 pm

You make it seem like EX moves aren't a great idea. EX moves are always good!

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Sean Altly on July 29, 2011, 07:59:33 pm

Steel Komodo said, July 29, 2011, 02:48:39 pm

But I can't help but feel that the only reason that we're talking about the extra button is because I brought up EX Moves in my suggestions. And then everyone jumped on board with that idea, and now Sean Alty's going out of his way to change the control scheme to include them. In essence, this is kind of my fault.  :P

Don't bother with EX moves, Sean. Or that extra button. There's no reason to add them because of me. The control scheme's fine the way it is.

Yes, you brought up EX Moves, but I always liked EX Moves and it just made me realize that I want them in the game. Besides, that's what these threads are for, discussion and ideas/suggestions. Don't feel bad because I liked your idea and want to incorporate it. I appreciate the help!

Title: Re: General Info (please read!)
Post by: Steel Komodo on July 29, 2011, 08:53:20 pm

Cazaki said, July 29, 2011, 07:38:17 pm

You make it seem like EX moves aren't a great idea. EX moves are always good!

Sean Altly said, July 29, 2011, 07:59:33 pm

Yes, you brought up EX Moves, but I always liked EX Moves and it just made me realize that I want them in the game. Besides, that's what these threads are for, discussion and ideas/suggestions. Don't feel bad because I liked your idea and want to incorporate it. I appreciate the help!

Aw, thanks, guys. Makes me feel so much better. And I suppose EX Moves would spice things up a little, so let's keep them.

But anyway, with supers on a new button, that should leave the attack buttons free for some new ideas. Like maybe a KOF-style dodge ability on LP+LK, or combo breakers on HP+HK. I don't know, really - your call, guys.