Art & Entertainment => Entertainment => Topic started by: Jmorphman on August 31, 2012, 12:01:22 am
Title: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Jmorphman on August 31, 2012, 12:01:22 am
So there's been a bunch of news of DC's planned Justice League movie, and their attempts to try and duplicate Marvel's cinematic universe. A bunch of news has happened so, thread! Here are some recent things:
The Wachowskis are in talks to direct the JL movie. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-wachowskis-are-the-latest-directors-to-be-rumo,84272/) Ben Affleck was also strangely asked to direct, but that isn't gonna happen ever. So anyway, Wachowskis: they're good action directors but really bad at philosophy. If they do accept the directing gig, let's hope it'll be more like Speed Racer and less Matrix Revoultions.
Then, a rumor surfaced that Batman, who is getting rebooted because of course he is, might appear first in the JL movie, before his rebooted movie. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-justice-league-movie-may-be-your-first-introdu,84391/) Perhaps DC realizes that everyone on the freaking planet already knows Batman's origin and thus they don't have to retell it. Or maybe they'll just wait until the rebooted Batman movie itself before retelling it AGAIN.
And then, most recently, there a rumor that Brett Ratner was in talks to direct the JL movie. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/brett-ratner-is-the-latest-director-rumored-to-dir,84457/) Ratner, the cinematic genius behind the masterpiece known as X-Men: The Last Stand is the perfect choice to direct this film. Plus, there's precedent for former X-Men movie directors to go on to direct amazing DC films, just look at Bryan Singer and Superman Returns! :gonk:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Iced on August 31, 2012, 12:27:32 am
ugh that post is one horrible name drop after another.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Jmorphman on August 31, 2012, 12:29:00 am
what post
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Iced on August 31, 2012, 12:32:56 am
Yours. Every single one of those persons shouldnt be touching comic book movies with a ten foot pole.
X-men the last stand was a huge load of shit.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Jmorphman on August 31, 2012, 12:34:54 am
Yeah it's so weird I'm namedropping directors that are in talks to direct the movie, why would I do something like that it's so dumb.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Cybaster on August 31, 2012, 12:37:46 am
I still don't understand how this movie got 70% on Rotten Tomatoes. I had to stop after one hour or I was gonna puke out of boredom.
Wouldn't it make more sense to make a Wonder Woman and a Flash movie before a Justice League one ? Or would these not sell enough and JL would be the only way to have a huge movie, since it'd include Batman and Superman ?
How about they make Batman movies inspired by the great hits such as Hush or Batman of Zur-En-Arrh ? :wink2: And I want Poison Ivy and The Riddler back somewhere.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Titiln on August 31, 2012, 12:39:05 am
i think he's saying that the names you're namedropping are all terrible and this will be a terrible movie. he's not complaining about your way of posting exactly.
having said that, if christian bale isn't batman then this is kind of pointless. it's like they replaced robert downey jr for avengers because he's getting rebooted
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Cybaster on August 31, 2012, 12:40:37 am
It's like they replaced Tobey Maguire ... oh wait!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Jmorphman on August 31, 2012, 12:43:37 am
Wouldn't it make more sense to make a Wonder Woman and a Flash movie before a Justice League one ? Or would these not sell enough and JL would be the only way to have a huge movie, since it'd include Batman and Superman ?
I think they want to rush JL into production as fast as humanly possible after seeing the box office results of Avengers.
having said that, if christian bale isn't batman then this is kind of pointless. it's like they replaced robert downey jr for avengers because he's getting rebooted
Christian Bale won't come back unless Nolan came back, and that isn't gonna happen. Plus, he apparently hated playing Batman and was only doing it as a paycheck.
but hey, we won't have to deal with Bale's terrible Batman voice! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5xGvkI2K8)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Iced on August 31, 2012, 12:44:18 am
Yeah it's so weird I'm namedropping directors that are in talks to direct the movie, why would I do something like that it's so dumb.
I think you misinterpreted my post. I was pointing out how every pick was worse than the one after.Every name dropped was worse than the one before it. Unless you are involved with dc directors calls I dont think you could take what I said as an insult!!!!
Some people are saying that they will try to tie in batman next movie at the end of superman next movie, to kickstart the world with superman first.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Titiln on August 31, 2012, 12:45:28 am
replacing the only established actor (batman, three movies, huge trilogy) they have for this potential justice league movie would really take away from it. replacing norton in avengers also took away from it kind of, but ruffalo did such a great job that i didn't mind, and norton wasn't hulk for more than one movie so he wasn't that established. spiderman wasn't going to be in avengers so i don't see why that's relevant
EDIT: i suppose none of this really matters in dc's case since they're really late to the continuity thing
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Iced on August 31, 2012, 12:49:49 am
Ruffalo would have been a perfect Beast.
There will be a time where they will have to replace Ironman, Downey is already on his fifties, so he has about two or three more movies on him before he starts being a bit too old for the part. Marvel however has already admitted they will go the james bond way and replace the characters while having a sliding timescale. Dc might just do the reboot thing every few years like they do in comics.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Cybaster on August 31, 2012, 12:52:20 am
Don't mind me, it wasn't meant to be relevant. I was just mocking Sony for their reboot. If Marvel got back the rights on Spiderman though, it'd be funny to see who they'd take as actor for Peter Parker. Toby Maguire, Andrew Garfield, or somebody totally new ?
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Batman: Hush is about the furthest thing from a greatest hit you can get.
>:[ HEY!!! It's a very cool story! And I love Jim Lee. Wait for Batman & Superman VS Alien & Predator!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Iced on August 31, 2012, 12:53:32 am
They would sooner cast Donald Glover than any of those two abominations.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 31, 2012, 01:04:42 am
Hush is like a cover version of a mashup of every big Batman story ever, so it feels very epic to new readers. Batman fights Superman! Then he fights Ra's al Ghul! With a sword! Then the Joker kills an important character (well, not really, because nobody gives a shit about Tommy Elliot), and Batman almost kills him! Then Batman has to fight all his major foes!
But it's bad. Really, really bad. Things happen for no real reason. It pointlessly hinted at Jason Todd's revival, which literally no one besides Judd Winnick wanted to come back (so later he went and did so). You have a character betrayal that feels completely superflous (Harold Allnut, you know the Batmobile mechanic? Wasn't it shocking that this obscure character betrayed Batman!?) And then it totally fucks up the character of the Riddler. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/13/ask-chris-101-the-riddler/) It's a terrible, shitty, overhyped trainwreck and is just another example of Jeph Loeb's terrible, terrible recent comics output.
plus Hush himself is the worst villain ever, seriously (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/08/03/ask-chris-116-how-to-talk-to-your-kids-about-hush/)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Joulz on August 31, 2012, 04:22:16 am
Brett Ratner...oh god no
introducing a new Batman in a JL movie sounds like something interesting (and logical): then, following with new stand-alone movies would be consistent... they won't have time to make a new Batman movie anyway, not after the awesome Nolan's versions
now i damn hope Superman will deliver
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2012, 09:53:53 pm
Allan Heinberg, a writer and producer of several shows (Sex and the City, Gilmore Girls, The O.C. and Grey's Anatomy) and occasional comic book writer is rumored to be developing a Wonder Woman series for The CW. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/09/06/wonder-woman-amazon-tv-pilot-script-allan-heinberg-the-cw/)
It will apparently be called Amazon, like that Green Arrow show is gonna be called Arrow and the Superman-not-being-Superman show was called Smallville. The rumors seem to indicate that it is also pretty similar to Smallville, in that it will have arbitrary rules for the superheroics (like no tights, no flights) and to feature unlikeable characters complaining about being superheroes. :pwn:
But it's still just a rumor, so take it with a grain of salt. It does make me wonder if the Wonder Woman show would be set in the DCU film universe but expecting Warner Brothers to behave rationally and logically in these situations is a fool's errand.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Person Man on September 10, 2012, 11:54:56 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava-5.png[/avatar]Yes, but will it have dumb jackets? It's not truly a Smallville style show without copious amounts of dumb jackets.
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Post by: Joulz on September 11, 2012, 01:53:39 am
omfg that "Flash" and Green Arrow outfit in Smallville....
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 11, 2012, 07:18:49 pm
since i always avoided smallville like the plague i didn't even knew teh flash made an appearance, how did he looked like? /me does a quick google search
OH DEAR GOD, WHY???!!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Jmorphman on September 11, 2012, 09:45:42 pm
They made Darkseid an evil cloud. There is nothing worse than that.
NEVER FORGET CLOUDGALACTUS OR CLOUDDARKSEID
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Byakko on September 12, 2012, 09:37:29 am
It took the shape we know once or twice, and I think it says it's not really Darkseid but just his influence, so it didn't bother me that we only saw a cloud.
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Post by: Joulz on September 12, 2012, 10:25:01 am
how did you guys like Brainiac, by the way? i actually liked the actor very much but that's about it :/
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 12, 2012, 04:53:19 pm
James Marsters is fucking awesome.
But uh I didn't watch any episodes with Brainiac so I can't say how he did in that role.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2012, 12:49:05 am
DC wants the Justice League movie to premiere at the same timeframe as Avengers 2, somehow expects this to be a good idea (http://www.avclub.com/articles/justice-league-movie-might-premiere-around-the-sam,87593/)
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Post by: Iced on December 29, 2012, 10:53:17 pm
Superman is essentially the same character from Man of Steel, and Zack Snyder is consulting regarding the writing of the character.
• Batman: The strategist of the group. Batman doesn't really want to be involved with these super powered beings he considers too powerful. Easily the most complex written.
• Wonder Woman: She has only been in man's world a few short months. The Wonder Woman script Michael Goldenberg is developing will be set before the Justice League movie.
• Green Lantern: Will be Ryan Reynold's character from the Green Lantern movie, but will be freshly written with a more serious tone.
• Flash: The most popular hero in civilian eyes who loves media attention, but when called upon is very serious.
• Martian Manhunter: Alien who has lived on Earth in secret for over a hundred years who has knowledge of Darkseid and his reign.
• Aquaman: Will be the King of Atlantis who has a key role in the film.
• There will also be a heavy military presence in the film which in future rewrites could include characters featured in Man of Steel or even Amanda Waller (Angela Bassett) of which neither are included in the first draft.
• Alfred Pennyworth is in the film in a minor appearance.
• Lois Lane is also in the film in a cameo.
• Darkseid's Elite will be featured who go up against the Justice League early on in the film.
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Post by: Byakko on December 29, 2012, 11:04:02 pm
• Flash: The most popular hero in civilian eyes who loves media attention, but when called upon is very serious.
Oh please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please, make him like this one (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qFrV4XCk1Oc/T23hL6JJXJI/AAAAAAAADI0/FArWTiq1vgE/s1600/flash-tv1.jpg)
Also, I don't know you, but I enjoyed Green Lantern movie (not much as Avengers, but I like it) and I would like to see Reynolds again as Hal Jordan (close to the end of the movie he becomes serious and closer to his comics counterpart IMO)
It will apparently be called Amazon, like that Green Arrow show is gonna be called Arrow and the Superman-not-being-Superman show was called Smallville. The rumors seem to indicate that it is also pretty similar to Smallville, in that it will have arbitrary rules for the superheroics (like no tights, no flights) and to feature unlikeable characters complaining about being superheroes. :pwn:
Oh no, a Smallville clone?? I actually liked the WW pilot leaked on the net, it would be awesom if that would be concreted ;_;
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Post by: Roman55 on February 08, 2013, 05:48:46 pm
Rumor has it the JLA movie is starting over from Square one (http://io9.com/5982602/the-justice-league-movie-starts-over).
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Rumor has it Warner Bros. has dumped their Justice League script from Will Beall, and is starting over from scratch. Not great news.
Badass Digest (http://badassdigest.com/2013/02/07/justice-league-may-be-looking-for-new-writers/) broke the news that the studio has dumped their Darkseid-centered script:
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"The story from each source is the same: it's terrible. Some sources seem to think the whole movie is going to fall apart and never happen, while some believe that Warner Bros will keep moving forward, unwilling to lose the superhero arms race."
BAD has the story verified from multiple sources, so could this be curtains for the Justice League? No one will really know until Man of Steel is released. It's been reported before, and states again in this rumor that Warner Bros. is waiting to see how the Superman movie will do before they press forward. Pair the studios nerves with the fact that no one in Hollywood wants to direct this movie without a better script (or any script) and we're predicting the fall of the Justice League by late summer.
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Post by: walt on February 08, 2013, 06:19:59 pm
Well, what can you do. If it's not good, it's just not good.
It's hard to believe that Superhero movies started with DC, and they did fairly well with Superman and Batman since decades ago, and all of a sudden they just can't find their path at all now that Marvel set the bar so damn high.
It's sad that there isn't enough enthusiasm (or is it a matter of money) that could drive this movie forward with a decent script.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: just how much can we botch Justice League?
Post by: Jmorphman on February 08, 2013, 06:32:45 pm
So uh, that JL movie might've been scrapped. Or at least the script, which has been described as being "terrible" (http://www.avclub.com/articles/warner-bros-rumored-to-have-scrapped-its-justice-l,92209/)
They shouldn't try to rush this out. And trying to introduce 5+ heroes in one movie while also trying to be a big, action-packed romp is idiotic. There's potential for a great movie here, they just have to be patient.
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Post by: Person Man on February 08, 2013, 06:33:53 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava-6.png[/avatar]I don't think it's a matter of enthusiasm, it's a matter of DC/Warner Bros. not understanding why Marvel's movies are working. I guarantee you that the only reason a Justice League movie is being worked on is so that they can try to compete with The Avengers. They saw "Big Superhero Team Movie Makes Kajillions" and immediately tried to jump in and grab a piece of that pie without bothering to look at why The Avengers worked as well as it did.
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Post by: Roman55 on February 08, 2013, 06:36:53 pm
I put that in the Entertainment thread because I couldn't find this one :/
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Post by: Iced on February 08, 2013, 06:38:24 pm
if only there was a dc interested mod that would fix that! D:"hint hint nudge nudge"
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 08, 2013, 06:40:48 pm
I don't think it's a matter of enthusiasm, it's a matter of DC/Warner Bros. not understanding why Marvel's movies are working. I guarantee you that the only reason a Justice League movie is being worked on is so that they can try to compete with The Avengers. They saw "Big Superhero Team Movie Makes Kajillions" and immediately tried to jump in and grab a piece of that pie without bothering to look at why The Avengers worked as well as it did.
Well, they already had a working Batman universe, and a questionable Superman Reboot with an actor cheap to bring back again.
BUT NOOOO... they had to reboot the Superman universe, do a lot of tie-in movies, and didn't throw enough money at Chris Nolan to stick around to make it work properly. This whole thing riding on Zack Snyder's Superman shoulders (which I understand the faith they have in him, 300 and Watchmen) is kinda hard to believe (since Zack DID MAKE SUCKERPUNCH). He's talented and stylish in his cinematography, but I don't think he could manage a Justice League movie...
The Justice League isn't Watchmen, it's a lot bigger.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 08, 2013, 07:18:21 pm
BUT NOOOO... they had to reboot the Superman universe, do a lot of tie-in movies, and didn't throw enough money at Chris Nolan to stick around to make it work properly.
Rebooting Superman was their best option; Returns might not have been a flop, but it didn't really get anyone enthused and sequels were unlikely to change that, nor would they do much better at the box office. Making Returns a sequel to a 20+ year old movie in the first place was a terrible idea that would've weighed down the franchise even if Returns been successful.
As for Nolan, I'm sure they tried to keep him around, but he isn't the type to stick with a franchise; they barely got him to do TDK and TDKR as it is.
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Post by: Byakko on February 08, 2013, 08:55:54 pm
Making Returns a sequel to a 20+ year old movie in the first place was a terrible idea that would've weighed down the franchise even if Returns been successful.
Not to mention the obvious that not rebooting it would have meant adding more years on top of that while dragging the backstory of all the previous movies. A reboot was the obvious choice if they weren't going to make Superman 50 years older than everyone else.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 09, 2013, 04:16:48 am
Not to mention the obvious that not rebooting it would have meant adding more years on top of that while dragging the backstory of all the previous movies. A reboot was the obvious choice if they weren't going to make Superman 50 years older than everyone else.
Even so, I suppose it was a better option than going with J.J. Abrams' "Superman: Flyby" script (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_in_film#Superman:_Flyby). You know, the one where Krypton doesn't explode. And Superman is sent to earth "to fulfill a prophecy" or something. Starring Scarlett Johansson as Lois Lane, Johnny Depp as Lex Luthor, Christopher Walken as Perry White, and Shia LaBeouf as Jimmy Olsen.
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on February 11, 2013, 06:37:08 pm
Wow, that script is terrible... it's like Steel O'Neal horrid movie :S
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Post by: Basara Lapis on March 04, 2013, 05:33:12 pm
Warner wants Nolan (and Bale) back for Justice League movie... or Superman/Batman movie maybe?? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2013/03/03/christopher-nolan-returns-to-batman-and-oversees-team-up-movie/)
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 04, 2013, 05:37:10 pm
Nolan's just in talks to be a producer, though.
And merging the Batman of the Nolan movies with more fantastical superheroics seems iffy to me.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on March 04, 2013, 10:55:49 pm
I don't know about it, all depends about how would be Man of Steel. Maybe not as Justice League, but I would love a Superman/Batman movie with Cavill and Bale. But as it was said in the article:
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Keep in mind, the reports are that negotiations and talks are still ongoing and nothing is set in stone yet. So, this news is all tentative at the moment, but the reports from Latino Review jibe with what I’ve heard from some of my own sources. Batman-On-Film (BOF) has some additional insights in Bill Ramey’s report as well.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on April 16, 2013, 02:02:11 am
(http://www.loseternautas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/73178_350702271696254_1108715011_n.jpg) New photos of Man of Steel revealed by Entertainment Weekly!! (http://www.loseternautas.com/2013/04/11/man-of-steel-imagenes/#more-25377) This news was originally from here (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/176119-new-photos-from-man-of-steel-revealed), but since EW itself requested to remove the pics, I left you to Los Eternautas (spanish comics news website), where they got the pics now
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Post by: Bea on April 16, 2013, 03:04:35 am
I will never get used to this costume, full of scales. :(
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 16, 2013, 03:05:38 am
It's totally realistic and not at all silly looking. I mean, what else could they use, spandex? Don't make me laugh, that would never work.
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Post by: Bea on April 16, 2013, 03:12:24 am
True that... how silly of me. What would come next then? Red briefs over his pants? That would be too silly!
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Post by: Basara Lapis on April 16, 2013, 06:29:40 am
Yes that is exactly what I was implying. That spandex can work and these attempts at making it more "realistic" look tons worse. :|
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2013, 12:42:13 am
Exactly. And I still don't get why they ditched the red briefs. The costume looks ridiculous without it.
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Post by: Iced on April 17, 2013, 12:43:01 am
ok so they dont want to use the s curl.
But why does he have a pompadour?
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2013, 03:42:53 am
oh... oh my
This trailer... it gets it. It gets Superman. This is a very good sign.
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2013, 04:03:51 am
... Yes, it does. It definitely does. This trailer has me impressed. That is Superman, even though he doesn't quite dresses like him.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2013, 04:42:02 am
I still do have concerns that were raised by the trailer, such as the implication that Clark hides himself away from the world (at the urging of Pa Kent) for some period of time as an adult (this being the bearded, oil rig worker shots). Thankfully he's shown to still save people, but this, along with some other things, seems to indicate that Clark does not decide to become Superman himself, and instead is pushed onto that path by a computer version or recording of Jor-El, which is that bullshit and overbearing "SUPERMAN IS CHRIST" metaphor that has popped up into nearly every live action adaptation since the first Reeve movie, and which reached its apex in Smallville, where Clark was so obnoxiously petulant about having to save people that it took 10 freaking seasons for him to deign to put on the cape.
I really really hate this version, because once Jor-El puts his baby in the rocket, his role in the story should be over. He shouldn't loom over Clark's life, telling him what to do, or teach him about math for 12 years or whatever the fuck happened in the '78 movie, or tell him to become Superman. Clark needs to make that decision himself, based on the way the Kent's raised him, not on what the computer simulacrum of a man he never knew tells him to do.
But this is all speculation, of course, the movie itself could turn out in any direction. I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT SUPERMAN OKAY
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2013, 02:01:19 pm
You and me both, sister. ;P Superman defined Superheroes for me. He was the champion of my childhood, well above all the other heroes I loved. So I am too have strong feelings about him and how he should behave and be presented.
Edit: ARGHHHH! I just learned that due to FIFA Confederations Cup, we will only be getting this movie here on July 12th, instead o June 14th! GAH! I want to kill someone.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2013, 07:26:24 pm
Edit: ARGHHHH! I just learned that due to FIFA Confederations Cup, we will only be getting this movie here on July 12th, instead o June 14th! GAH! I want to kill someone.
That's completely fucking insane. :|
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2013, 07:48:34 pm
Edit: ARGHHHH! I just learned that due to FIFA Confederations Cup, we will only be getting this movie here on July 12th, instead o June 14th! GAH! I want to kill someone.
That's completely fucking insane. :|
It gets worse. The official excuse for delaying the movie is that they are afraid of low attendance numbers because they'll competing with effing soccer. That's ridiculous. :|
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Post by: Joulz on April 28, 2013, 11:51:07 pm
haha and this why soccer IS a religion in Brazil, thanks in part to the Great Pelé :p
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Post by: Memo on April 28, 2013, 11:57:09 pm
Im looking foward to this movie, Really like the trailer. I just hope they dont Fu$k it up like Iron Man 3
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 04, 2013, 11:57:17 am
SPOILERS IN LINK DONT ENTER SPOILERS REGARDING RUMOUR ABOUT MOVIE DiRECTION
according to this nolan might have changed the story to a more realistic setting of
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
krypton being still alive and clark being just a non genetic ehanced kryptonian
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on May 04, 2013, 12:23:00 pm
... Dear Dagon, let that not be true. This movie is showing to be promising, so much that I have been working hard to ignore the lack of red underpants, but if they do that, all the good work they have shown so far is thrown away. :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on May 04, 2013, 03:29:34 pm
That is really worrying news to say this least. The trailer footage made me feel really confident for the movie, but if that rumour is true.. I have doubts it would work.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 04, 2013, 04:37:50 pm
it kinda goes well with earlier reports that
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
zod would arrive on a giant spaceship and that the main fight of the movie would be a spaceship battle with clark piloting the rocket he arrived versus zod spaceships. because, cmon, if zod has spaceships why wouldnt the planet had been evacuated? Or more survivors be found in space?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on May 04, 2013, 05:42:17 pm
Wait... what? I can't be reading that. That can't be true at all, merciful Cthulhu! If that's really a part of the movie, then it is lost.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Roman55 on May 04, 2013, 06:02:10 pm
What the hell Warner Bros >________>
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 04, 2013, 11:49:27 pm
there is a weird rumour going on that he is never adressed as superman in the movie besides the trailer scene where Lois cracks a joke about his name, even the toys being sold are dubbed "MAN OF STEEL" but i cant believe nolan would go this far.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on May 05, 2013, 12:08:01 am
That is likely due some copyrights fight with the holders of Siegel spoils, so they removed every reference to the Superman name from the movie. The issue seems to be resolved now but they won't change the movie for that.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Joulz on May 05, 2013, 12:36:46 am
how could they actually start production on a movie of this scale (WB / Snyder / Nolan) and not have the fucking rights to use the Superman name? O_o that is a very scary thought (think Smallville...) which makes absolutely no sense
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Roman55 on May 05, 2013, 12:39:36 am
So this movie is about .. a Steel Man ? No Superman name, no Superman origin .....
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on May 05, 2013, 01:03:14 am
how could they actually start production on a movie of this scale (WB / Snyder / Nolan) and not have the fucking rights to use the Superman name? O_o that is a very scary thought (think Smallville...) which makes absolutely no sense
Oh, they had the rights to the name, but the Siegel family wanted more money for the use of the name or something akin to that.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on May 06, 2013, 08:58:34 pm
The "not gonna call him Superman" rumor sounds fake as hell.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Retro Respecter on May 08, 2013, 03:31:05 am
Too much controversy for taste. Let us just hope that this movie is good.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on May 08, 2013, 10:05:41 am
Thanks for that zero-substance post Jimmy.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: DatKofGuy on May 14, 2013, 04:15:50 pm
some new footage http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/176895-man-of-steels-super-powers-discussed-in-three-featurettes
Title: YOU ARE NOT ALONE
Post by: Iced on May 23, 2013, 12:15:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOF03DUoWc new trailer up showing off zod spaceship
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on May 23, 2013, 12:58:12 am
Why does Zod has HG Wells War of the Worlds spaceships? And why is his voice so weak and pathetic, and most important of all, why is he not telling people to kneel before Zod? D:
Title: MAN OF STEEL LAST TRAILER AMAZING
Post by: logansam on May 23, 2013, 01:07:50 am
Welcome back superman
http://youtu.be/NlOF03DUoWc
Title: Re: MAN OF STEEL LAST TRAILER AMAZING
Post by: Generic Main Character on May 23, 2013, 01:15:08 am
Okay, THAT was impressive.
Title: Re: MAN OF STEEL LAST TRAILER AMAZING
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2013, 01:26:19 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordbutterfly.png[/avatar]So impressive I'm going to go ahead and merge this into the DC movie thread where that was already posted.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on May 23, 2013, 09:44:01 am
Why does Zod has HG Wells War of the Worlds spaceships? And why is his voice so weak and pathetic, and most important of all, why is he not telling people to kneel before Zod? D:
The spaceship doesn't look much like any depictions of a tripod that I've ever seen. :-\
And don't be bad mouthing Michael motherfucking Shannon! Plus, abusing the kneel line just makes it lose all power.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 24, 2013, 01:17:10 am
http://glyphcreator.manofsteel.com/ Posted: May 24, 2013, 01:38:59 am (http://i.imgur.com/ILhW3dJ.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwkqeI7XWk
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Thedge on May 24, 2013, 04:31:14 pm
Oh shit, expect Polar Bears!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Roman55 on May 24, 2013, 04:33:18 pm
That dude and his obsession with spiders.
Give him a remake of Tarantula already.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on May 26, 2013, 02:20:15 am
Do note that Peters was also a producer on Returns. He almost certainly has no influence on this, and is probably only listed because lolHollywood.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on May 26, 2013, 12:47:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXOqXVSRZrQ
Okay, this looks interesting. But I do hope that this doesn't mean that Jor El is still alive.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 26, 2013, 12:55:22 pm
Got a new tv spot.
this one is very recent , has unseen footage=>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zGLCiSGJBk
Title: Superman is back yesssssssssss 2 tv spot
Post by: logansam on May 27, 2013, 08:17:41 pm
Okay, this looks interesting. But I do hope that this doesn't mean that Jor El is still alive.
Probably a computer simulation or holographic recording like in the 70s/80s movies and Smallville.
Let's just hope he doesn't go running to get th e advice of his dead robot parents every time he's in trouble!
why would his dead parent simulations be shown dressing up in war armor then? Well I guess it could be an elaborate flashback.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on May 30, 2013, 08:37:15 am
Where was he dressing up anywhere? The thing at the end? He was just showing off his manly chest. Er, crest. Crest.
Anyways, if I missed it, Kryptonian dead father simulators are weird.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2013, 05:34:36 pm
there is a bit with the chest armor piece closing down on his chest and you can see the bearded chin, with latches and stuff, i will point out the timestamp when im home again.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on May 31, 2013, 01:38:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/gillette?x=us-en_manofsteel Gillette's going after the big "how does Superman shave" question, and they have Conan O'Brien, Bill Nye, MythBuster, that girl from Big Bang Theory pitch their theory. And then you vote.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 31, 2013, 01:43:22 am
there is a bit with the chest armor piece closing down on his chest and you can see the bearded chin, with latches and stuff, i will point out the timestamp when im home again.
http://www.youtube.com/gillette?x=us-en_manofsteel Gillette's going after the big "how does Superman shave" question, and they have Conan O'Brien, Bill Nye, MythBuster, that girl from Big Bang Theory pitch their theory. And then you vote.
I had to go with Bill Nye there. It is an interesting publicity stunt. Nice to see them being creative.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on May 31, 2013, 02:04:09 am
Yeah, same here. It's goofy, it's blatant and shameless publicity, but it's funny enough and they put a lot of effort in it with all those people.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on May 31, 2013, 11:12:11 pm
first ( advanced screening ) reviews are in and its
Quote
"There's a reason why they told us not to tweet about the movie we just saw: IT'S TERRIBLE!!!
Oh no!
Quote
Also it definitely fails the Bechdel Test. Seriously can big budget movies create a decent role for a woman? It's getting pretty ridiculous."
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Roman55 on June 01, 2013, 12:15:43 am
Quote
Bechdel Test.
are you serious
Granted, people knew Lois was gonna be underwritten due to it being focused more on Clark.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on June 01, 2013, 12:20:28 am
Of course they're serious, it's a movie about Superman and Zod but it needs two women who talk about something completely unrelated. It's fine as long as they talk about shoes or taxes or house repair. Just to take away from the plot, they can't talk about the plot or else it would look like they're talking about a man (the horror). Clearly the only solution is : they can't be... relevant, good job.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: walt on June 01, 2013, 12:40:32 am
Still mildly hype, still watching it in IMAX Digital 3D once it comes out.
/me crosses fingers not to regret this decision later on
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on June 01, 2013, 02:13:08 am
http://www.youtube.com/gillette?x=us-en_manofsteel Gillette's going after the big "how does Superman shave" question, and they have Conan O'Brien, Bill Nye, MythBuster, that girl from Big Bang Theory pitch their theory. And then you vote.
HE SHAVES BY REFLECTING HIS HEAT VISION OFF A KRYPTONIAN MIRROR, THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, PEOPLE >:[
... that said, the mirror was created using a porthole from a rocket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zGLCiSGJBk&feature=player_detailpage#t=17s the camera quality isnt that good I guess it might be someone other than zod or jor, but he is wearing the armor I talked about.
Yeah that just looks like a flashback, and given that the flashbacks look to be fairly extensive (and they kind of have to be, to introduce Krypton, the El family, Zod, Zod's army, why Krypton is exploding and why no one believes Jor-El, and the rocket Jor-El builds), it's pretty reasonable to assume Jor-El will be suiting up at some point.
Well hey now, while it is by no means a sure test of anything, it's a pretty good thought experiment. But a movie that's trying to reintroduce Superman and make him meaningful to a general audience is not one of occasions in which it is very useful, I think.
Too bad that Lois doesn't do much, she's awesome and needs to be portrayed that way. Hopefully the sequel will have her busting up some evil scheme. And hey, since Jimmy is a girl, maybe that will get them to pass the Bechdel test in this hypothetical sequel!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 01, 2013, 12:43:39 pm
Wait, Jimmy is a girl instead of a crossdresser? Such a lost opportunity. :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Joulz on June 01, 2013, 09:45:37 pm
this movie WILL be awesome: it HAS to...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on June 02, 2013, 04:53:01 am
Wait, Jimmy is a girl instead of a crossdresser? Such a lost opportunity. :(
Jimmy is gonna get marginalized in the movies, girl or not. Hopefully heshe'll get more notice than in previous movies, where Olsen was mostly a gloried extra. :-\
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: DatKofGuy on June 07, 2013, 07:30:27 am
hey, a fight scene http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/177353-new-fight-clip-from-man-of-steel-hits
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on June 07, 2013, 10:19:54 am
For a second I thought there was gonna be a super powered 3310 in a fight scene.
NOKIA
CONNECTING PEOPLE HUUURRRRGGGGAAAHHH
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: guy-zero32k4 on June 08, 2013, 02:40:52 pm
It seems kinda overkill for Zod to be in first movie, but fuck it, atleast to start things off with a bang I guess.
I'm trying to keep an open mind to watch this movie, but the costume is what kills it for me. I don't like the casting of Lois either myself. May pass on this one and wait for DVD.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on June 08, 2013, 07:25:54 pm
conan gave up on the movie because of several terrible things http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ5DwzVdbWE
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on June 08, 2013, 07:35:08 pm
The whole thing's over there. That video was the setup for this. Actually I just realized it's not in it, I thought it was...
http://www.youtube.com/gillette?x=us-en_manofsteel Gillette's going after the big "how does Superman shave" question, and they have Conan O'Brien, Bill Nye, MythBuster, that girl from Big Bang Theory pitch their theory. And then you vote.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: guy-zero32k4 on June 09, 2013, 02:34:33 pm
Method kevin Smith said doesn't buy: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/guy-zero32k4/smos-087.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/guy-zero32k4/media/smos-087.jpg.html)
Metal or this way, I'd warrent.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on June 12, 2013, 10:39:10 pm
Man of Steel sequel is getting fast-tracked. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/man-of-steel-sequel-and-justice-league-are-looking,98856/) and Goyer is going to rewrite the JL movie.
I dunno. Uh... MoS was like at 68% on Rotten Tomatoes? That's something. I got nothing. Stop looking at me.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: walt on June 12, 2013, 11:03:16 pm
It's gotta be something like XMEN -> XMEN 2 where they require to have a crappy origins movie to set up the characters and universe, then action pack the second one ... as if they were a single movie.
I am okay with this, if this is the case.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on June 13, 2013, 07:06:14 am
Eh, X-Men 1 isn't what I call would crappy, it's pretty good but not great. Magneto's plan and most of the third act is pretty dumb, but even then the third act's worst parts are watchable and the best (Cyclops: "how do I know you're the real Wolverine" Wolverine: "you're a dick") are great.
So if it's anything like X-Men 1.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Thedge on June 13, 2013, 03:57:18 pm
I recently re watched Xmen 1 and it is way better than I remember.
MoS got a preview for media people here on thuesday, they all were possitive about it, I'll be watching it on saturday.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Malikai on June 14, 2013, 09:57:51 am
Best Movie I've seen this year. The music was spectacular especially during the epic moments.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 14, 2013, 12:17:55 pm
Yay... I've got to wait till July to watch it due to the FIFA Confederations Cup that starts tomorrow. -_-
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Mgbenz on June 14, 2013, 08:46:49 pm
Spoiled myself on the ending. It'll really piss of a lot of Superman purists.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on June 14, 2013, 09:01:45 pm
Well that significantly deflated my expectations. And I didn't even read the article or see what the ending was, because spoilers. Just the fact that Mark Waid said it broke his heart... sigh. :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 14, 2013, 09:07:21 pm
I read the full review, and well, I will likely not be watching it on the silver screen because it is not a Superman movie anymore. Not after what they've done.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Duos.act on June 14, 2013, 09:20:44 pm
I read the full review, and well, I will likely not be watching it on the silver screen because it is not a Superman movie anymore. Not after what they've done.
Link me to it please, I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 14, 2013, 09:32:02 pm
Link me to it please, I'd like to know what I'm getting myself into.
There you go: http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/ <-- This link contains spoilers. Many, many spoilers.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on June 14, 2013, 09:34:06 pm
I'll probably still watch it on the big screen. Even though I'll regret watching "that part" when it comes. The rest of the movie seems great though. Oh well.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Aldo on June 14, 2013, 09:34:16 pm
I´ll most likely see it anyways even with that ending (I´m pretty sure I won´t get it) cause it really caught my attention. Thank god I´m not a Superman purist.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on June 14, 2013, 09:36:37 pm
I'm pretty sure most people who are not into Superman stuff are still gonna think it's rather strange.
My mom for instance is a big fan of the Christopher Reeves' version, and I know for sure that she's not gonna like this change.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Aldo on June 14, 2013, 09:39:13 pm
We´ll see, we´ll see. And that will have to be next week cause to see premiers in here, you need good contacts :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Duos.act on June 14, 2013, 09:39:50 pm
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Yeesh, that's a lot worse than I was expecting. .__. It's gonna be really jarring, but what really gets me is the Metropolis scene earlier. I can't be the only one REALLY bothered by that can I?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on June 14, 2013, 09:43:37 pm
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I was already expecting excessive mass destruction from the trailers but Superman not giving a fuck is lol.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 14, 2013, 09:45:12 pm
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No, you're definitely not the only one. That scene SCREAMS "I am not a Superman movie!". It breaks it worse than that ending for me. And that is a lot, because that ending is heart breaking.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Jmorphman on June 14, 2013, 09:53:21 pm
I'm not gonna check this topic again until I see the movie but here is this:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on June 14, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
I was going to watch it, now I'm not, even though I'm not a die-hard Superman fan or even a die-hard comic books fan. In general I despise city-wide destruction in a movie about a superhero that's supposed to save everyone, and aliens invading with giant ships. With all the talk about this being very intimate with the character, I expected that part to be good and the bulk of the movie. But the spoilers I read from that guy up here whose heart this movie broke are exactly the kind of things I really don't want to be in a movie like that. I'm not even really saying that so much about the final bit, but overall. Incidentally, I actually don't mind the version in the image at the bottom of this link (SPOILERS) http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/14/controversy-over-the-climatic-battle-of-man-of-steel-spoilers/ (SPOILERS) because the text makes it sound like it works.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Roman55 on June 14, 2013, 10:31:02 pm
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For all the faults his movie had, at least the Superman in "Returns" gave a shit.
Not too concerned about Zod being killed, since it's what happened in the comics, though the way that it happened is a different story.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Joulz on June 15, 2013, 03:00:52 am
mmmmh i'm not really concerned by these type of reviews: i'll make the judge of it myself when i see it full on on the big screen in 2 days! thing is we do not know how the story unfolds from beginning to end since no one here has seen it yet, so there is a (slim) possibility that the last tier of the movie makes kind of sense (fingers crossed), depending on how the story/character evolved through the first 2 tiers: i mean, the explanation could just be that because of all the all-out destruction & mayhem he did not control, Superman becomes the Superman we know afterwards ?? can't wait to see it though (just the explanation of the chest Shields made me happy)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Malikai on June 16, 2013, 05:11:54 pm
While I respect his review I'm inclined to disagree with Mark.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
One of the commenters said in Superman2 I think that superman just dropped Zod in a black hole and flew a way smiling. What I think people didn't see was that this wasn't superman, this was Kal-El learning to become the Man of Steel we know so well. I feel this wouldn't have been as great if superman was perfect all through the story and had no negative aspects except his "boy scout" personality. He was a fleshed out character that more people could connect with. And while the destruction was slightly over the top, most of the time when superman fights other big bodies (ie. Darksied) same amount of destruction happens to at least a couple of buildings. Also to clarify Superman and Zod ended up taking the fight into space before crashing back down earth.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Joulz on June 16, 2013, 07:14:11 pm
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Superman HAS killed in the comics before (in various old issues, don't remember but i read about it EDIT: Superman issue #22) but it is not widely known because 95% of time, he has been depicted & preferred as someone who refuses to do that: it doesn't mean in the contest of this movie, he has to kill or he has to not kill: it just has to be relevant in the universe they tried to create with the movie...god im seeing this fucking thing toniiiiiiiiiite!!! btw anyone saw it in 3D? because i already hate the post-production 3D bullshit that is always looking bad in the end...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Roman55 on June 16, 2013, 07:15:56 pm
Didn't see it in 3-D (saving that money for Pacific Rim) so I can't tell you.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 17, 2013, 09:29:18 pm
Given how you're either as much as a Superman fan as I am, or even a bigger Superman fan than I am, I will be waiting your opinion about it to decide whether I will watch it on the silver screen or not.
Still a month to go here anyway... Star Trek into the Darkness is premiering this weekend around here... >.>
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: walt on June 17, 2013, 09:39:02 pm
Given how you're either as much as a Superman fan as I am, or even a bigger Superman fan than I am, I will be waiting your opinion about it to decide whether I will watch it on the silver screen or not.
Come on, everything I've heard from the laymen is all good feedback. There's no reason not to watch this movie, which is clearly loads better than 'Returns' :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 17, 2013, 09:53:44 pm
I have read good things about it, yes. But all I have read so far makes it feel like it lacks Superman soul. Even Netherrealms Superman cared about collateral damage, while this one flies Zod through buildings with people inside without caring a tiny bit.
That is why I may not see it. It bears the Superman name, but delivers something more akin to a earth 3 Ultraman who is a hero instead of a villain (even the uniform is very similar :P)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: GOH on June 18, 2013, 10:17:42 am
I will be waiting your opinion about it to decide whether I will watch it on the silver screen or not.
Prepare to never watch anything in anywhere.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: walt on June 18, 2013, 03:20:57 pm
More like "Prepare to watch old Community episodes on Netflix" amirite?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Bea on June 18, 2013, 03:23:36 pm
That will only count for this "Superman" movie, since he decided to make the sacrifice of seeing it. :P If he likes it, it is quite likely that I will too then, since we share the same idea about who and what Superman is.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Aldo on June 20, 2013, 04:32:30 am
So watched the movie and I gotta say I really liked it, the action scenes, the plot, pretty interesting backstory. Huge step over previous ones IMO
And 3 things (Spoilers motherfucker, open at your own risk)
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I see the resemblance of Superman and some sort of Messiah since in some moments of the movie that representation appear a couple of times, I didn´t found any problems with that since it gives the character some significance (but I think way too much for the comparison), still enjoyed it
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The last battle with Zod was epic!! After his entire unit is send to the Phantom Zone, Zod appears with the bla, bla, bla I´ll kill the humans you love and bam, battle. That was pretty epic IMO. No "Kneel before Zod" thought. :P
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The part that most (to not say all) supes fans hated was the fact that Supes killed Zod?? That´s so out of character?? I guess it was a last resort since Zod was about to kill innocent people but still I´ll like the point of a comic expert.
I call comic geeks upon me!!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 20, 2013, 04:45:46 am
Comics expert Hat ON!
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It's completely in character for Superman to kill if necessary and he's even done it to Zod before. Superman has an aversion to killing and won't do it unless it's absolutely necessary (like if his singing voice is the only thing capable of destroying Darkseid), but he WILL KILL. This balances him out with Batman, who won't kill under any circumstance, and Wonder Woman, who will snap your neck because it's a Tuesday.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: SNT on June 20, 2013, 05:05:20 am
So the Phantom Zone in MoS is just a regular remote patch of uninhabited space?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Mgbenz on June 21, 2013, 03:16:55 pm
It's completely in character for Superman to kill if necessary and he's even done it to Zod before. Superman has an aversion to killing and won't do it unless it's absolutely necessary (like if his singing voice is the only thing capable of destroying Darkseid), but he WILL KILL. This balances him out with Batman, who won't kill under any circumstance, and Wonder Woman, who will snap your neck because it's a Tuesday.
Still doesn't explain all the pointless collateral damage.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 21, 2013, 06:16:44 pm
Still doesn't explain all the pointless collateral damage.
You can explain with the fact that one of the combatants was so filled with rage he was literally going up the side of a building on all fours like a monkey and the other had to deal with that the best he could.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Iced on June 21, 2013, 06:27:04 pm
Still doesn't explain all the pantless collateral damage.
fixed.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Xhominid on June 24, 2013, 10:24:56 pm
I watched the movie yesterday and I absolutely love it and while I do see all the criticism...I don't agree with it at all. But I won't go into those and go into the main issues I see people have:
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1. There's no way Clark could have gotten Zod/Faora/that other Kryptonian warrior out of Metropolis/Smallville without it seeming extremely contrived that they would follow him for very little reason when they already know Clark will come back when people are threatened. Especially in the final battle where Zod had a deathwish in general
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2. Zod wanted to die and put Clark in that situation in the first place and it's not like Clark did it with joy, he freaking begged Zod not to do it and felt heavy remorse for doing so. And even if he could have flown him and Zod away from the family, nothing would have stopped Zod from killing people during the ongoing battle. Superman has shown to kill people when every single option is exhausted and in actuality, I respect him for that far more than Batman for doing so.
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3.I found it funny that Lois did find Clark and knew he was Superman from the start...but she's a freaking badass reporter who won rewards for her stories and coverage, it would have been stupid if she didn't find out he was Superman. And as for the military, unlike Lois, they aren't going to be able to snoop and find out who the hell he is under the radar, especially since even the best thing they have(satellites) isn't the best thing to pick out a PERSON and the other thing they had, Clark took it down damn near immediately. It doesn't make the military incompetent, it makes it reasonable because if they DID find out Clark was Superman, then it would bring out alot of issues in and of itself.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on June 24, 2013, 10:31:41 pm
The criticism isn't about the act itself but how it came around for Superman. Also entire city destroyed and Superman seemingly not caring.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Xhominid on June 25, 2013, 09:25:33 am
The criticism isn't about the act itself but how it came around for Superman. Also entire city destroyed and Superman seemingly not caring.
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What the hell was Superman supposed to do? Fly away and HOPE they would follow him? Cry and moan about something that was completely unavoidable from the start? I understand people want him to try and save everyone, but he tried that in Smallville and he got opened to attack every time he saved someone. Including adding in his own inexperience, you are still asking too much of something that is inevitable.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Byakko on June 25, 2013, 09:39:15 am
The point is the apparent lack of interest/care. Especially if he's new at this.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Joulz on June 26, 2013, 01:29:08 am
agreed with Byakko:
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even if he could NOT have avoided the destruction in Metropolis, the lack of emotions regarding the total mayhem after the battle (including the fact he had JUST killed someone for the first time: human or not, anyone with a heart would be affected!), he showed absolutely no remorse/internal struggle/hopelessness/whatever and that is a major flaw...especially because it is the end of the freaking movie :-\
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: You'll believe Man of Steel might be good
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2013, 02:13:09 am
D.C. made a little list of most of the easter eggs in the movie. (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2013/06/25/superman-month-man-of-steel-moments)
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I knew something was off in that ship. It's Supergirl's pod. So, Supergirl's going to be in the next movie next year, huh? Should be fun.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on June 26, 2013, 08:36:17 am
Are we still doing spoilers or what.
Spoiler: this is really long, you don't have to read it and honestly you will probably be better off if you didn't(click to see content)
It was... I don't know. I guess I mostly agree with Mark Waid. The first two-thirds were pretty decent. The fight scenes really and truly were phenomenal. But there was way, way too much disaster porn, to the point where it was starting to get uncomfortable. Killing Zod bothered me less than all the destruction, it was just... too much. Too much for a Superman movie. A movie that should be about hope, and about a magic space man who falls out of the sky to save us.
Michael Shannon was an absolute delight, and his Zod was a great villain. No real complaints story-wise. Faora was good too.
The four parents were also well-acted, though I really could've done without another fucking rendition of "Superman gets lectured by his dead robot dad who tells him to be Superman because he can't do anything by himself." It's not something unique to MoS (first movie did that too), but it so dumb and bad and takes away all agency from Superman himself and reduces him to only doing what other people tell him to, and never making his own choices.
And then there was Pa Kent... unlike Waid, I really hated the way he was handled. Pa Kent should not be telling Clark to hide away and let people die. The raison d'être for the Kents is to instill in Clark the values he holds as Superman, to put the needs of others over those of himself, and to never, ever give up. Instead Pa Kent argues against all that, and Clark's dead space dad tells him exactly what to do. Kinda defeats the message of Earth being better than Krypton and the former avoiding the latter's mistakes. And while the Pa Kent scenes are well acted and moving, they ring hollow. And his death scene is just really dumb and silly.
Cavill was decent, I guess? I didn't get a good read on him as Superman, and you don't get a good look at his "Metropolis Clark" persona, which is literally half of the Superman character. He does sure look amazing, though. That chest. Hnnnng.
Amy Adams feels miscast, which is a shame because I think Amy Adams is great. But she just didn't feel like Lois. At all. Maybe it was just the script, but the right actor should've been able to get around that. And her story is pretty awful. Lois shouldn't have figured out the secret identity so easily. Eventually she should figure it out, but not so soon. And so easily. (I guess the military can't figure it out because they are banned from IHOP, or something)
And then, more Superman is Jesus shit, ugh. Not as overbearing as Returns, but he's 33 years old, really? And that pose when jumping out of Zod's ship? REAAAAALLLLLY? C'mon.
So Pete Ross kinda got the short end of the stick here, huh? Except... who gives a shit about Pete Ross, honestly.
Oh and I guess Professor Hamilton is dead? Or trapped in the Phantom Zone, at least. Meh. But, who will build Superman's lead suit now?
I'm sure the sequel will be pretty. But I do not have high hopes that it will be any good.
Here are some good articles about the movie that really are worth reading http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/17/man-of-steel-on-my-planet-the-s-is-for-sucks-spoilers-review/ Chris Sims is a bit harder on the movie than I am, but I agree with him on a great deal of things in his review.
http://bullyscomics.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-fall-of-metropolis-apocalypse.html I liked the comparison of the destruction of The Avengers vs. MoS, and why the former works while the latter doesn't.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/19/man-of-steel-christopher-nolan-disagreed-ending-zod-killing/ This really pissed me off. Specifically the fact that the neck snap wasn't in the original script, but then Snyder wanted it for dumb reasons, and Nolan asked DC, and they were like "lol whatever", and so we get contrived heat vision climax. Guuuh. Fuck you DC. You suck so much now.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/21/man-of-steel-moral-superman-review-zack-snyder-david-goyer/ Good stuff about the thematic underpinnings of the movie, and how they... really suck. Like, really, really suck.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/25/kyle-baker-man-of-steel-parody-video-game/ Fantastic comic book artist Kyle Baker made a funny flash game recreating the climactic final battle. Try it.
Given how you're either as much as a Superman fan as I am, or even a bigger Superman fan than I am, I will be waiting your opinion about it to decide whether I will watch it on the silver screen or not.
!!! That's too much responsibility!
Hmm, well, you already know about the bad stuff, though seeing will probably be more rage-inducing than just reading it. But it does have parts of a good movie in here, and the action is really great (even though the cinematography as a whole and color palette suck hard)... I dunno? Maybe?
Oh, I know! There is a scene of buff, shirtless Cavill. On the big screen. Yes.
So the Phantom Zone in MoS is just a regular remote patch of uninhabited space?
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It definitely seemed to be another dimension. The portal was orbiting Krypton and I guess had some sort of failsafe that took Zod 'n' friends out of the Zone.
Oh, that's easy. He could NOT PUNCH FAORA/ZOD DIRECTLY INTO BUILDINGS. And maybe punch them into places further.and further from populated areas.
So where is this Man of Steel digital prequel comic? Also, big news. Legendary Studios is severing its ties from Warner Bros. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/25/warner-bros-legendary-split-up/) They did all three Nolan Batman movies and MoS. So... this is a pretty big deal. I think this means Nolan probably won't be involved with the sequel? Maybe?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: walt on June 26, 2013, 03:44:42 pm
wow, it's hard to reply to a Jmorphman post ... you really need to read 7 articles all by different authors and postures, and 60+ lines of text written by Jmorphman himself. It's like a Doctorate's final project essay.
I tried man, sorry.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Bea on June 26, 2013, 08:15:35 pm
I see. You make some fair points, Jmorph. And you sold me with the "buff, shirtless Cavill. On the big screen. Yes" bit. I ought to see this. I think I will watch the first 2/3rds of the movie that everyone seems to agree that is decent then lay down and think of England to endure the last third of the movie.
But... don't tell me they made the colours even more washed out than Returns. It was pretty terrible and dull at Returns as it was.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Iced on June 27, 2013, 04:04:38 am
Breaking my no macro tradition. I saw this, and thought of Bea and JM (http://i.imgur.com/zEaoWYo.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on June 27, 2013, 04:11:35 am
doesn't using a macro mean you have to give up your amulet or something
wow, it's hard to reply to a Jmorphman post ... you really need to read 7 articles all by different authors and postures, and 60+ lines of text written by Jmorphman himself. It's like a Doctorate's final project essay.
I tried man, sorry.
I'm sorry for so inconveniencing you. I'll try to think about how you will react before I post things.
I see. You make some fair points, Jmorph. And you sold me with the "buff, shirtless Cavill. On the big screen. Yes" bit. I ought to see this. I think I will watch the first 2/3rds of the movie that everyone seems to agree that is decent then lay down and think of England to endure the last third of the movie.
I was just kinda joking with the shirtless thing. It's not THAT long, and not really worth it. The things actually worth seeing it for are the Kent family scenes (even with as badly written Pa Kent is, Costner almost makes it work), the visuals of Krypton, and the fight scenes (even with the destruction, the actual fighting is fantastic)
wow, it's hard to reply to a Jmorphman post ... you really need to read 7 articles all by different authors and postures, and 60+ lines of text written by Jmorphman himself. It's like a Doctorate's final project essay.
I tried man, sorry.
I'm sorry for so inconveniencing you. I'll try to think about how you will react before I post things.
No seriously, sarcasm aside, you really need to work on your ability to synthesize your ideas into readable bits. Otherwise you'll find yourself interacting with the same handful of people who already got used to work on your essays. This is a forum man, think of the kids.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Bea on June 27, 2013, 03:37:05 pm
I was just kinda joking with the shirtless thing. It's not THAT long, and not really worth it. The things actually worth seeing it for are the Kent family scenes (even with as badly written Pa Kent is, Costner almost makes it work), the visuals of Krypton, and the fight scenes (even with the destruction, the actual fighting is fantastic)
But... don't tell me they made the colours even more washed out than Returns. It was pretty terrible and dull at Returns as it was.
They found a way!
Well, shirtless Chris Hemsworth scene on Thor wasn't that long either, but made the movie worth watching. :P So that is still a saving grace for the movie.
And... how did they? D: Did the shoot the movie in sepia or something?
Superman is mean to be colourful. He wear blue, yellow and red, for Odin's sake!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on June 28, 2013, 07:29:34 am
No seriously, sarcasm aside, you really need to work on your ability to synthesize your ideas into readable bits. Otherwise you'll find yourself interacting with the same handful of people who already got used to work on your essays. This is a forum man, think of the kids.
If you can't read just over 500 words of a few random thoughts separated by paragraphs, then I'm very sorry for you. It ain't hard. :I [avatar]http://network.mugenguild.com/jmorphman/images/SignAvatar/Bright_IncredulousBurger.png[/avatar]
And... how did they? D: Did the shoot the movie in sepia or something?
Superman is mean to be colourful. He wear blue, yellow and red, for Odin's sake!
The color balance is really bad, I dunno what the point of making everything so blue and dreary was.
I think it's funny that the colors on the costume of evil drunk Superman in Superman III, which was all dark and dull (because of course that's what happens when Superman gets hit with fake kryptonite that turns him bad), was actually brighter than both Superman Returns and Man of Steel.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Bea on June 29, 2013, 02:50:11 am
This seems to describe the movie perfectly. http://io9.com/the-most-important-scenes-from-man-of-steel-as-i-remem-516405346
Spoilers, obviously. :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 10, 2013, 01:32:00 am
Hey guys, I don't want to interrupt your discussion about Man of Steel, but I recently saw that Stephen "Arrow" Amell is open to keep making Oliver Queen for an eventual Justice League movie (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=82929#LLB4QlIGqD15wBgd.01) :)
That's all, keep talking about Man of Steel :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Byakko on July 10, 2013, 01:41:42 am
That was to be expected, he worked well in his standalone series after a little while of finding his rhythm (making his backstory and style believable but still throw in tons of references) and he likes his character. But he'll really need to have his character lighten up a lot in a Justice League setup, more like the "funny guy" he is in most JL cartoons. Especially if he doesn't need all his angst when out of town. The attitude he has in the series would have to be given back to Batman. I hope he'll be all "what am I even doing here" next to Superman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Joulz on July 10, 2013, 03:14:45 am
talking about Batman btw, in your opinion, why would they introduce Gordon-Levitt to Batman's lair in the end? i understand it might have been a studio pleaser (because they already had a JL movie in mind) but since Christopher Nolan had already decided at The Dark Knight he would not be continuing, why would he make such a connection? it seems pointless, in addition to the fact that the studios don't seem to be willing to use Levitt, so far anyway?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2013, 06:37:07 am
Having Arrow set-up JL movie stuff and/or having Stephen Amell appear as "the Hood" in a JL movie would make tons and tons of sense. So of course, DC/Warner will not do it at all.
talking about Batman btw, in your opinion, why would they introduce Gordon-Levitt to Batman's lair in the end? i understand it might have been a studio pleaser (because they already had a JL movie in mind) but since Christopher Nolan had already decided at The Dark Knight he would not be continuing, why would he make such a connection? it seems pointless, in addition to the fact that the studios don't seem to be willing to use Levitt, so far anyway?
I doubt Nolan included it because of studio pressure. The whole point of that scene is to show that Batman's legacy is secure, and that (sigh) Robin Blake will carry on the mantle.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Bea on July 12, 2013, 02:11:44 pm
Going to watch it tonight... Wish me luck. I will need it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Roman55 on July 20, 2013, 08:06:20 pm
Superman/Batman film to be revealed at Comic Con. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/superman-batman-film-set-comic-589521)
Unfortunately, it's Zach Snyder's baby. This won't end well. Not at all...
(also Flash and Justice League movies planned)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Joulz on July 20, 2013, 08:39:23 pm
oh so they abandoned plans to release a JL movie at the time Avengers 2 comes out? good, it will allow them to not rush this shit
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Roman55 on July 20, 2013, 10:32:51 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: SlySuavity on July 21, 2013, 01:05:00 am
Can't say I'm particularly fond of this; for being so soon after establishing MoS, it pretty much seems like a cash grab more than anything else. The Avengers worked wonderfully as it did because Marvel developed a very strong mythos in film canon, prior to tackling said blockbuster. If anything, the only thing I can say is good on Bale for ditching the bat for having no Nolan.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Bea on July 21, 2013, 02:31:09 am
Considering who is ahead of it, and how I felt when I saw MoS, I am actually terrified by this idea.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on July 21, 2013, 04:23:36 am
Can't say I'm particularly fond of this; for being so soon after establishing MoS, it pretty much seems like a cash grab more than anything else. The Avengers worked wonderfully as it did because Marvel developed a very strong mythos in film canon, prior to tackling said blockbuster.
This is no more of a cash grab than any other superhero movie. :I
And really, it makes much more sense to do a World's Finest movie before jumping into Justice League, especially if it is taking the place of MoS2. You can introduce the new Batman, hint at the JL movie, etc.
So I guess they'll save introducing Wonder Woman for JL (because "Wonder Woman is so hard to do", which is bullshit, but whatever). Green Lantern is who knows. It'd be dumb to bring back Ryan Reynolds, but... Warner Bros. Flash gets his own movie, which makes sense, since he's vaguely familiar (around Captain America level, pre-Marvel movies). So who else would be on the roster? Everyone knows Aquaman, and DC has a boner for yelling loudly that he's totally cool you guys. He's probably a lock. Martian Manhunter might get tossed in favor of Cyborg, though. I just can't help feeling excited about Superman and Batman finally getting to be onscreen together. It's ludicrous it took this long.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on July 31, 2013, 05:43:13 am
The creators of Arrow have been tapped to do a Flash series (http://comicsalliance.com/cw-arrow-team-the-flash-spinoff-tv-show-series/), which will probably be called Runner, star a guy in a red hoodie who is really into snapping people's necks, and I don't know whether they're gonna tie this into their not-really-existing cinematic universe.
So uh yeah I dunno.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Neocide on July 31, 2013, 05:48:13 am
arrow is good, but a flash show? didn't they try this in the 90's? I'm not sure this is going to come out right....
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 14, 2013, 12:08:05 am
This is a cool news, but I think Breaking Bad fans would enjoy this more (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=85357) :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Joulz on August 14, 2013, 12:22:29 am
as much as i absolutely LOVE Bryan Cranston, i would actually choose Mark Strong: he just looks like an awesome bad guy, with a corporate quality too
EDIT: also the age difference might matter in the long run
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: walt on August 14, 2013, 12:34:02 am
jeez, I can't make up my mind out of those 2 choices.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Roman55 on August 14, 2013, 01:10:58 am
But who would've thought Hal from Malcolm in the Middle could become the one who knocks? I think he'd knock it out of the park, personally.
oh don't get me wrong: Cranston would be terrific, i'm sure...i just feel Strong would fit better in the world they are trying to create with MoS
also, Cranston has always been a terrific actor: people tend to forget (or just don't know) that he is not only "that crazy father" or "that chemist who deals crystal meth"... his voice is awesome & he has made a loooot of TV appearances/movies (even if not big hits, his performances were mostly spot on)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on August 14, 2013, 01:41:30 am
his voice is awesome & he has made a loooot of TV appearances/movies (even if not big hits, his performances were mostly spot on)
I just found out like a day ago that he voiced Isamu Dyson in the dub of Macross Plus, which has now officially replaced "David Hayter aka Solid Snake voiced Bernie in Gundam 0080" as the craziest mecha anime casting I've seen.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Roman55 on August 14, 2013, 01:44:31 am
Speaking of his voice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MQ0rDcZAtw)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Joulz on August 14, 2013, 01:51:46 am
I just found out like a day ago that he voiced Isamu Dyson in the dub of Macross Plus, which has now officially replaced "David Hayter aka Solid Snake voiced Bernie in Gundam 0080" as the craziest mecha anime casting I've seen.
damn
talking about this guy reminds me of that episode were he almost defeated The Flash :) aaaaah the childhood memories
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2013, 03:33:04 am
and the new batman is http://variety.com/2013/film/news/ben-affleck-is-the-new-batman-1200586881/
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2013, 03:37:42 am
I don't know how I feel but I'm pretty sure it's mad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Bea on August 23, 2013, 03:46:54 am
Warner/DC execs... go home... y'all drunk...
I already had low expectations for that movie. Now they have sunk to be even lower. It is so low that it is about to roll back into positive due to integer overflow... :'(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Luis Alejandro on August 23, 2013, 03:56:10 am
Matt damon as robin :buttrox:
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Post by: QuickFist on August 23, 2013, 03:59:15 am
That is insane, Affleck is better director than actor, that's one of the worst choises for Batman. I'd rather go with Ryan Gonsling who's a much better actor than Affleck
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Post by: Nero D. on August 23, 2013, 04:00:03 am
^ ^ i will personally come for you if that happens, which is possible, which scares me
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Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on August 23, 2013, 04:08:05 am
Please tell me this is a nightmare.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: D'Evil on August 23, 2013, 04:10:22 am
this. wtf is going on? wasn't Daredevil an already enough hint? fuuuuuck
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2013, 05:20:32 am
The only thing I can think of is that this has something to do with the rumors about him directing Justice League. He either is, and they were able to get him to play Batman for less than another big name actor would be... or he isn't, and this is his consolation prize from Warner Bros.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Joulz on August 23, 2013, 05:58:26 am
also, it might have to do with Warner Bros. producing 2 of his successful directed movies: The Town and Argo...they have a nice business partnership going on. now, passed the shock, let's see: - he is not the same actor as he was at the Daredevil time (he played some somewhat dark characters) - he is in the right age - he could bulk up
it can't be as bad as the batnipples, the Ghostrider Cage or the Green Reynolds...? can it? CAAAAN IT?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Roman55 on August 23, 2013, 06:08:20 am
To be fair, he was alright as Daredevil (as long as you watch the Director's Cut).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Joulz on August 23, 2013, 06:12:42 am
the only good thing in this movie was Michael Clarke Duncan. (imo)
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Post by: QuickFist on August 23, 2013, 06:15:23 am
the only good thing in this movie was Michael Clarke Duncan. (imo)
Seconded
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Neocide on August 23, 2013, 06:29:36 am
he was good in the directors cut of DD, but MM and bruce are two different characters.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2013, 07:22:05 am
Colin Farrell as crazy Irish Bullseye was alright. So, putting aside the casting (to spare my brain), this "Batman is much older than Superman" business... I dunno, it seems weird to me, but potentially interesting, I guess?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2013, 07:36:43 am
I don't know what it is, but I've always felt like Batman's older than Superman. Probably because they never do pure reboots for Batman in the comics so he inevitably seems to have done a lot more over his career.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2013, 07:48:55 am
Superman is usually portrayed as the first superhero to debut (with Batman following shortly), or at the least, the first modern superhero*. Bruce Wayne may or might not be portrayed as being older, but I can't recall a version of Batman that was explicitly described as being around before Superman was.
Or wait, maybe the DCAU? Batman had been running around for a few years before the first BTAS episode. And Martha Kent mentions "some nut in Gotham" at some point in third part of the three-episode origin story, so... I dunno! Maybe they debuted around the same time, but never met until World's Finest? This obviously calls for me to watch the episode in question, because this is incredibly important. (I'm actually serious. I think. Oh god I have no life)
*and then there was the thing where the real first super hero in post-Crisis continuity, Crimson Avenger, had a vision of Superman flying around in the future, inspiring the Avenger to take up super heroics in the 1930's, which meant that Superman was inspired by the costumed crime fighters of the past who themselves were inspired indirectly by Superman. Loopy, but cool. Paradoxes are fun!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2013, 07:59:07 am
Yeah, I think it's the DCAU influence, come to think of it. You're right about the line in the Superman premiere, and think about how old Robin was in BTAS compared to his established age when Bruce took him in. He was like 10 years old and Bruce was already Batman. So Batman had been around for a good ten years by the time of World's Finest!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2013, 08:21:07 am
OK so I checked and Superman debuts before the "nut in Gotham City" line, so theoretically Supes could've debuted before Batman.
Whatever the case, I don't recall DCAU's Batman being portrayed as being much older and wiser compared to Superman, like Ben Affleck's is purported to be, so I dunno if it's super comparable.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Byakko on August 23, 2013, 10:09:10 am
IMO it'd be a problem if they were to meet when Batman is still new (because otherwise he'd be too easy to change), and Superman just arrived in MoS so he can't be too experienced, so I guess it's all they can do.
They did ? Okay. || V
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2013, 10:15:24 am
I thought they said they were doing like a 5 year time jump?
And if they aren't doing that, they should. Just skip over all that "oh no we can't trust Superman" bullshit.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Mgbenz on August 23, 2013, 03:17:31 pm
Where were you people when they cast Chris Evans as Capt. America? Heath Ledger as Joker?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2013, 04:08:13 pm
Chris Evans was the best thing about his crappy Fox superhero movie, and Heath Ledger was already an accomplished actor. I was confused, but willing to give it a chance.
Ben Affleck, by contrast, was just not great as Daredevil (yeah, I saw the director's cut.) He's also spent nearly two decades showing us that if he's not directing himself, he's just not good at acting (and it's not like he can get Oscar caliber performances out of himself, either). So you've got a role previously inhabited by one of the foremost method actors of that generation succeeded by one of the worst. Couple that with the fact that Snyder couldn't direct a paper bag to hold oranges, so if you're not already a good actor he's not going to help you be one.
Miracles happen every day but I think I'm going to remain pessimistic.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Mgbenz on August 23, 2013, 04:25:28 pm
So his performances in The Town and Argo don't matter because Daredevil.
OK.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: walt on August 23, 2013, 04:31:49 pm
It's Ben Affleck
All he has is "Douchebag Smile", "Screaming Madman", and "Crying, broken man" ... And maybe a bit of "Le Tigre / Blue Steel" which can be easily confused with "Douchebag Smile"
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Mgbenz on August 23, 2013, 04:40:54 pm
Batman needs any other emotions than those three?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: walt on August 23, 2013, 04:46:34 pm
You're missing the point.
Nobody needs Ben Affleck as Batman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 04:49:49 pm
OK so I checked and Superman debuts before the "nut in Gotham City" line, so theoretically Supes could've debuted before Batman.
Whatever the case, I don't recall DCAU's Batman being portrayed as being much older and wiser compared to Superman, like Ben Affleck's is purported to be, so I dunno if it's super comparable.
batman worked under the guise of a myth for years before in batb they use this period to be the one where he gets training by the jsa with black canary.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Neocide on August 23, 2013, 05:08:54 pm
yea this. I don't see him pulling off batman. And if he tries to go bales way and does the grumble voice, it's going to be even worse. Omg. ERMGH CMING FER U SEPPERMEN
Also yea in most cases I believe batman was around first, and was just a rumor or myth of this big giant big bat hunting down criminals, the myth stayed in gotham until he became bigger and more were aware of him.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Segatron on August 23, 2013, 05:26:55 pm
For real? Ben Afflect? I lost all hype for this movie already. Whats your opinions?
Title: Re: Ben Afflect to play Batman in new Superman Batman movie
Post by: Laharl on August 23, 2013, 08:18:08 pm
um I thought they were offering christian bale 50 million dollars to play batman again did he seriously turn them down?
Title: Re: Ben Afflect to play Batman in new Superman Batman movie
Post by: walt on August 23, 2013, 08:21:37 pm
um I thought we were already discussing this in the DC Movies thread?
Title: Re: Ben Afflect to play Batman in new Superman Batman movie
Post by: GOH on August 23, 2013, 08:22:04 pm
Ben Affliction
Title: Re: Ben Afflect to play Batman in new Superman Batman movie
Post by: Saikoro on August 23, 2013, 08:22:23 pm
LOL It's Ben Affleck. Not Afflect.
Well, I look at it this way: If we see Ben portray himself as he did in Daredevil or Gigli, we're all fucked.
On the flip side, if we see him as we did in The Town or Good Will Hunting, then we're in for a treat. Lets hope for the latter of the two because he does have some talent. I hope that talent isn't squandered.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: walt on August 23, 2013, 08:31:02 pm
With the size of Affleck's chin, he'll end up looking like TAS Batman, or Arkham series.
Bale's athletic, closer to Keaton's Batman had grown on me.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Person Man on August 23, 2013, 11:35:19 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordwaiter_zps23207449.png[/avatar]Whatever. It doesn't matter what actor they got for the role, this Batman was always going to suck regardless because they're introducing him as a sidekick in a Superman movie just so they can fast-track their Justice League project while the Avengers franchise is still popular. Affleck could turn in a mind-blowing performance and it would still likely be a crappy version of Batman.
Imagine if they had just made Captain America or Thor be side-plots in the Iron Man movies before plowing through to Avengers. That's what WB's doing with their DC movies.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: walt on August 23, 2013, 11:53:28 pm
Not necessarily as grim as you put it.
It could be a success, like Ruffalo's Hulk out of left field, as long as the writing is good, WHO AM I KIDDING, THIS IS BEN AFFLECK, ah you mean if it was somebody else.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Person Man on August 24, 2013, 12:27:13 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordindignant_zps17a67620.png[/avatar]The difference there is that while Ruffalo was a new actor, the actual character of Bruce Banner had already been well established beforehand. Here, they're taking off from the continuation of Superman's story and cold dropping in some moody jerk in a Dracula costume that, for all intents and purposes, nobody's ever heard of before. It's just a really bad way to introduce the character. Superman and Batman both have to exist independently before you can make the World's Finest thing actually work.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on August 24, 2013, 01:30:59 am
..what? Why would batman fans be mad that superman asked him a sandwich?
Because Batman has the worst fanboys of any comic book hero not named Squirrel Girl.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Iced on August 24, 2013, 01:48:43 am
intensive net searching only led me to this http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/yzw3j/batman_wants_a_sandwich/ nothing else, a reddit thread with under 40 comments.
Because Batman has the worst fanboys of any comic book hero not named Squirrel Girl.
Squirrel girl has enough fans that they have a type comparable to batman fanboys? She barely has appeared in ten books put together.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Nero D. on August 24, 2013, 01:52:55 am
any character that becomes memetically popular be it thru over-saturation or the internet will have an idiotic fanbase (see; deadpool(who wasnt even that popular till i say about mvc3, iron-man, who was a *b-team character till his movie came out, wolverine, who has been in literally every marvel character's comic, etc)
*while popular in his own right he wasnt batman popular till the iron man movie came out prove me wrong you fucks
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Saikoro on August 24, 2013, 02:10:25 am
I think this time everyone will understand this one.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Iced on August 24, 2013, 02:21:29 am
that is completely understandable as being a joke about breaking bad and breaking the bat a old batman storyline where bane cripples batman... just not really related to the thread discussion. Why not just discuss stuff without funny unrelated images to try to pass on points?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Neocide on August 24, 2013, 02:26:57 am
agreed. anyway, ben affleck AMIRITE?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Joulz on August 24, 2013, 02:30:50 am
Whatever. It doesn't matter what actor they got for the role, this Batman was always going to suck regardless because they're introducing him as a sidekick in a Superman movie. Affleck could turn in a mind-blowing performance and it would still likely be a crappy version of Batman.
we don't know that it's going to suck and we sure don't know if Batman will be a sidekick...in the end, it depends who is the actor & who is writing: right now, Goyer is writting (good), Affleck is acting (ouch)
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Imagine if they had just made Captain America or Thor be side-plots in the Iron Man movies before plowing through to Avengers.
The difference there is that while Ruffalo was a new actor, the actual character of Bruce Banner had already been well established beforehand.
about Hulk in the Avengers, Ruffalo's portraying (and of course Whedon's writting helped but really mostly Ruffalo) is spot on: his talent (and his approach to it) as an actor makes Banner pop out on the screen (you can feel the internal shit going on in his head, just the way he carries himself)... i don't think being a new actor or not has anything to do with it: if it does, well Ruffalo has been around for ages, more than say Heath Ledger when he got cast in Batman: in the end, both performances were great, no matter the initial reactions to their casting. now we have Affleck, who has to be credible & believable in a suit, doing Ninja/Martial Arts master moves type, playing a double life of a billionnaire whos hunted by the death of his parents as a youngster...with a track record of Daredevil (dear god), Good Will Hunting (lol playing himself mostly), Armageddon (-_-), Daredevil, Daredevil, The Town (bank robber) & Argo (noone can say he was good in this movie).
good acting matters, especially in this age of CGI everywhere
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Superman and Batman both have to exist independently before you can make the World's Finest thing actually work.
i agree on paper, but
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Here, they're taking off from the continuation of Superman's story and cold dropping in some moody jerk in a Dracula costume that, for all intents and purposes, nobody's ever heard of before. It's just a really bad way to introduce the character.
i strongly disagree in this present situation: everyone has heard or know something about Batman nowadays...it's been around for ages in the movie industry and in the general knowledge...so even though it screams "Justice League", strategically, there is not really a point to make yet another Batman reboot just to introduce him in this MoS universe: the references are there already...it makes more sense like that actually, imo. the problem is their Affleck choice, especially considering it is apparent (as i said in the last page) it is a business move more than a really thought out choice
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Roman55 on August 24, 2013, 02:33:43 am
that is completely understandable as being a joke about breaking bad and breaking the bat a old batman storyline where bane cripples batman... just not really related to the thread discussion. Why not just discuss stuff without funny unrelated images to try to pass on points?
Cranston wanted to be Lex remember?
(no that doesn't make it relevant to the thread, but I wanted to point that out)
Because Batman has the worst fanboys of any comic book hero not named Squirrel Girl.
Her dumb fanbase is why this image will not stop being funny (http://31.media.tumblr.com/9680453e219f2322a4f8381940843c61/tumblr_mnwh1lfkes1rqbjyuo1_500.jpg).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Thagr8test on August 24, 2013, 02:44:30 am
I think people are jumping the gun on their opinions about affleck being cast I personally am interested to see how this all plays out for a couple of reasons 1. People felt the same about Michael Keaton being cast for the role and look how opinion changed. 2. The Movie isn't due for two years so thats plenty of time for Ben to transform his body for the role. 3. We don't know the plot of the story yet or how he plans to do his voice for batman.( If its anything like bale were all screwed anyway) 4. He has acting range he can be a very charismatic bruce wayne and I believe he can pull off a dark enough batman. Just my two cents on it
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Jmorphman on August 24, 2013, 03:00:32 am
Aww come on, now people are hatin' on Squirrel Girl? Is there nothing in this world that can't just be fun and shit?
Where were you people when they cast Chris Evans as Capt. America? Heath Ledger as Joker?
Chris Evans had some people concered (due to him mostly having done comedy roles), but he was never really pegged as a bad actor. And tons and tons of people flipped out over Heath Ledger (THE DUDE FROM A KNIGHT'S TALE IS JOKER THIS IS BULLSHIT)
Affleck could well end up surprising everyone, but he's very limited as an actor, and the description of the Batman he's playing just doesn't seem like it fits into his range. He's not a bad actor, but this seems like a very bad fit for him.
batman worked under the guise of a myth for years before in batb they use this period to be the one where he gets training by the jsa with black canary.
That's... not really what I'm not talking about. I was talking about whether most continuities have Superman debut before Batman (they do). To take two examples: post-Crisis, Superman debuts shortly before Batman, and Batman starts off as an urban legend, but eventually the general public knows him to be a real dude. Or post-Zero Hour, Superman debuts shortly before Batman, but Batman remains an urban legend among the public even years after he first puts on the costume. (I think it went all the way up to War Games, maybe? It was definitely not until the 2000s that they dropped that silly idea)
What I'm getting at is that Batman and Superman are almost always contemporaries, but the next movie is doing something very different, positioning Batman as being much older and experienced than Superman.
Also yea in most cases I believe batman was around first
Nah, it's almost always Superman first. I can't think of anything besides the DCAU, maybe, that has it otherwise. Not that it's super important who debuted first, since in any case they're portrayed as contemporaries either way.
Whatever. It doesn't matter what actor they got for the role, this Batman was always going to suck regardless because they're introducing him as a sidekick in a Superman movie just so they can fast-track their Justice League project while the Avengers franchise is still popular.
I think it's actually far more likely for Superman to be reduced to a sidekick role, especially if those reports that the movie is based in part on The Dark Knight Returns are true.
Superman and Batman both have to exist independently before you can make the World's Finest thing actually work.
Not really? Everyone and their mom knows who Batman is. He doesn't need an entirely new movie just to establish Affleck's version. Captain America, Thor, Iron Man? Nobody knew those characters, they needed their own movies just for them to get into the public consciousness. Hulk probably could've worked without his second movie, since all the information you need about what Bruce Banner has been up to and how he's keeping the Hulk in check is provided in The Avengers.
All Affleck's Batman needs is to have a few lines about how long he's been around (establishing he's an older Batman to the audience), and go from there. It's actually a pretty smart move, I think. Better than rushing headlong into a Justice League movie like what was previously rumored (since most of the other JL'ers would need movies)
iron-man, who was a *b-team character till his movie came out
*while popular in his own right he wasnt batman popular till the iron man movie came out prove me wrong you fucks
I would say he was C-list, even.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Iced on August 24, 2013, 03:08:14 am
you repeated that ironman was a c lister twice
why do you hate ironman
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Jmorphman on August 24, 2013, 03:10:21 am
I messed up my quoting
I don't know what you're talking about. Also, I was replaced by an alternate universe teenage version of myself. (that shit doesn't happen to an A-lister)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Duos.act on August 24, 2013, 03:11:36 am
Of course there's always going to be a place for things that are fun and silly. The problem is that SG is in no way funny or amusing.
I definitely wouldn't say Affleck is my first choice for Batman but I think people are undermining him. I'm sure he knows the weight of this role and isn't gonna half ass it since it's kind of a big deal. Maybe he'll be the weakest Batman on film but I think he's smart enough to know what he's getting into.
And yeah people definitely did not take well to the news of Ledger as Joker, since prior to TDK most people didn't think of him as a guy that would be capable of such a villainous role. Hell Tom Hardy as Bane wasn't well received at first either because of how "small" he was.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Roman55 on August 24, 2013, 03:14:09 am
Squirrel Girl is dumb for a multitude of reasons, mainly that stupid gimmick (hur hur I beat Doom and Thanos hur) that's brought up ad nauseum. That's not fun, just annoying Wait this is about DC.
Anywho:
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Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the process began earlier this year when director Zack Snyder had finished working on Man of Steel with producer Christopher Nolan. Snyder and the studio already had ideas for a follow-up, and Snyder reached out to Affleck to check the star's interest.
It's unclear when these talks began. Multiple sources say the studio approached Josh Brolin, as well as other actors. Ryan Gosling was also a possibility, but the actor dislikes the idea of sequels.
But Affleck was curious, and initial talks focusing on story and character began. Once Affleck was satisfied, WME's Patrick Whitesell and Ziffren Brittenham's Sam Fischer began negotiating his role in the Superman sequel. Sources say that Affleck has been signed for multiple other movies. The talks were so secretive that many Warner execs and most WME agents remained unaware of their existence.
On one level, Affleck’s return to superheroes seems bewildering. The Oscar-winning co-writer of Good Will Hunting drew scorn after donning the red suit for Daredevil, and later agreed it wasn't his best work. After he'd recovered and turned in a bravura performance directing and starring in The Town, Fox offered him the chance to direct and star in a Daredevil reboot -- but Affleck turned it down.
More recently, Nolan offered Affleck the chance to direct Man of Steel. Affleck declined, seemingly because of a desire not to return to the world of capes -- despite being an avowed comic book fan.
Because since it’s considered a sequel to Man of Steel and not a Batman movie, any potential underperformance issues won't ultimately land on his shoulders.
The deal also potentially lines Affleck up to star in and direct Warner Bros.' answer to The Avengers: The eventual Justice League movie.
The difference there is that while Ruffalo was a new actor, the actual character of Bruce Banner had already been well established beforehand.
about Hulk in the Avengers, Ruffalo's portraying (and of course Whedon's writting helped but really mostly Ruffalo) is spot on: his talent (and his approach to it) as an actor makes Banner pop out on the screen (you can feel the internal shit going on in his head, just the way he carries himself)... i don't think being a new actor or not has anything to do with it: if it does, well Ruffalo has been around for ages, more than say Heath Ledger when he got cast in Batman: in the end, both performances were great, no matter the initial reactions to their casting.
My point here wasn't about Ruffalo's performance, but that he was playing a character that already existed within that specific universe. Banner had already been established and explored in the Hulk movie, and his presence was known before the gang started getting together. On the other side of the coin, look at Hawkeye in the same movie. Hawkeye was easily the most shallow and underplayed character in Avengers because his first major appearance in that universe was as one part of a team full of other characters that collectively had 5 or 6 feature length films worth of development behind them.
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everyone has heard or know something about Batman nowadays...it's been around for ages in the movie industry and in the general knowledge.
Sure, we know about about Batman as a pop culture icon. But in the context of the fiction it wouldn't make any sense. He'd be a brand new entity. And if a Superman already exists and is active, what's the point of some rich guy running around with smoke bombs and grappling hooks? By starting this Batman out in a sequel to someone else's story, he becomes not so much a hero or a leading man as he does an issue for Superman to have to come to terms with.
I don't think we need another Batman reboot so soon, and more to the point I don't think the world needs yet another origin story retelling. But if they're trying to ape what worked for Marvel, they can't just start throwing all their characters out there at once.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Iced on August 24, 2013, 03:17:32 am
hawkeye first appearance was in thor. =D
I also think most people will assume its the same batman from the bale movies, even if the actor is different.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: walt on August 24, 2013, 03:24:53 am
Hawkeye was easily the most shallow and underplayed character in Avengers because his first major appearance in that universe was as one part of a team full of other characters that collectively had 5 or 6 feature length films worth of development behind them.
Hawkeye was also a bad guy for most of the movie. Black Widow similarly only appeared as a glorified cameo in another hero's movie, but I don't think anyone would say she was undeveloped. She was totally cool!
Sure, we know about about Batman as a pop culture icon. But in the context of the fiction it wouldn't make any sense. He'd be a brand new entity.
Of course it makes sense. The minor details might change, but he's still Batman, people will be able to get that. He's well established enough so that he can just serve as an issue Superman has to deal with, with no harm done to him as a character.
But like I said, I think it'll be the other way around, with Batman having to deal with Superman as an issue. Which would suck, because Superman needs to be better established!
And if a Superman already exists and is active, what's the point of some rich guy running around with smoke bombs and grappling hooks?
That's something every writer of a story involving Batman and anyone with super-powers has to deal with, whether Batman is a known entity or not. Good writing makes it a non-issue.
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Post by: Joulz on August 24, 2013, 03:58:19 am
My point here wasn't about Ruffalo's performance, but that he was playing a character that already existed within that specific universe. Banner had already been established and explored in the Hulk movie, and his presence was known before the gang started getting together.
i don't think Hulk/Banner was well established: for starters, none of the movies showed him as being a brilliant physicist/scientific guy, they only used "the somewhat dark guy who can't control his inner beast" angle (and not too well, too). Whedon could have EASILY done what he did with Hulk in Avengers without any of the 2 Hulk standalone movies: the character is depicted & explained perfectly as it is in the Avengers alone....actually, that was the perfect way to introduce what/who Hulk/Bruce Banner is to the universe and then make standalone movies to explore it afterward: i think for Batman vs Supes, it's the other way around....Bat has been around for aaaaages, is obviously known (& loved) by now to any random people so he doesn't need any introduction, and this means it could potentially work out fine imo.
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And if a Superman already exists and is active, what's the point of some rich guy running around with smoke bombs and grappling hooks?
that's the beauty of a screenwriter: he tries to make sense out of something that wouldn't at first (i'm sorry but nobody thought Avengers could work on screen: having a Hulk, Hawkeye, Thor, Ironman, Widow in the same movie, with the little addition of having the baddest meanest villain in the Marvel Universe as Thanos to battle eventually...throw in an eventual talking tree and a raccoon!! but then, all seems so far to fall into place!)
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But if they're trying to ape what worked for Marvel, they can't just start throwing all their characters out there at once.
they are obviously pressured/rushed by Marvel success, and having a release date for that JL movie before even having a director or a script at the time sounded completely retarded...but all in all, they now seem to have a plan: Batman in the next movie (with Supes) could be excellent if written (& acted....) properly, like Goyer knows to do usually... for the rest of the characters, one is problematic (Green Lantern because first = failure) & one is particularly not (MartianHunter could easily get thrown somewhere along the road as an intro and then developed in JL)...
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Post by: Nero D. on August 24, 2013, 04:07:02 am
pretty sure this may interest the lot of you (http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/exclusive-bryan-cranston-lex-luthor-batman-superman-matt-damon-aquaman-mark-strong-sinestro)
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DC also does have major interest in bringing Matt Damon into the Justice League now that Affleck is on board, and it is rumored that he is being considered for Aquaman or Martian Manhunter.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Man of Steel 2 coming faster than a speeding bullet
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 24, 2013, 04:17:53 am
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Also would be possible to see Matt Damon as Aquaman and Mark Strong will return as Sinestro, all in the same link
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Ben Affleck is Batman now
Post by: Nero D. on August 24, 2013, 04:27:26 am
i guess people would not have seen the same fucking link posted right above yours i guess
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Post by: Joulz on August 24, 2013, 04:47:53 am
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Regarding Ben Affleck, we are told he has allegedly a 13-appearance deal for Batman.
i'm not religious, but god damn i pray he pulls it off :stare:
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Post by: Basara Lapis on August 24, 2013, 05:43:51 am
i guess people would not have seen the same fucking link posted right above yours i guess
I realized few minutes ago about that, but you talked about Damon only, not about Cranston as Luthor, the main news of that link, or about the return of Strong as Sinestro... and that's mean the return of Reynolds as Jordan for omission (I guess)
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Post by: Nero D. on August 25, 2013, 03:22:30 am
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Post by: Bastard Mami on August 25, 2013, 03:28:49 am
correct me if I am wrong but have not most of the previous batman actors been pretty weak at action roles as well before playing batman (keaton, nolan, kilmer, clooney).
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Post by: Roman55 on August 25, 2013, 03:32:58 am
The latter two are kinda off kilter to mention since they were just in bad Batman movies but yeah you're right.
And I think you mean Bale rather than Nolan.
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Post by: Nero D. on August 25, 2013, 03:40:58 am
keaton, kilmer and clooney also came at a time before it was ok/commonplace to bash the next batman because they didnt "fit"
back in the day that wasnt even an issue because we just watched the movies and enjoyed em cuz our favorite characters were on film etc
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2013, 06:14:49 am
correct me if I am wrong but have not most of the previous batman actors been pretty weak at action roles as well before playing batman (keaton, nolan, kilmer, clooney).
Keaton was heavily criticized (before the first trailer came out) because he was known for comedy roles, which made people concerned about the possible direction the movie would take.
Bale had a good track record before Begins (if not necessarily known for action). Kilmer had been in action movies before, and had been fine in them. Clooney was known mostly for ER at that point, but wasn't known for action at all, really. Of course he ended up playing Dumb, Gay Batman...
The issue isn't whether Affleck has been good at action roles, it's whether he'd be a good fit for Batman. I'm not really convinced.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on August 25, 2013, 10:22:10 pm
Keaton was heavily criticized (before the first trailer came out) because he was known for comedy roles, which made people concerned about the possible direction the movie would take.
This reminds me about Seth Rogen being The Green Hornet, no one gives a buck for him because of his previous comedy roles, and the movie ended so awesome. Also is the case of Chris Evans, but because of Human Torch no one expected him as Steve Rogers, but it was all a success. So in this case I won't see anything against Affleck until see him as the new Batman *B-kun waiting for the first trailer*
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Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2013, 10:30:25 pm
This reminds me about Seth Rogen being The Green Hornet, no one gives a buck for him because of his previous comedy roles, and the movie ended so awesome.
It was still comedy though. With Ben Affleck known for comedy, I'm not convinced a Batman with the same comedy as in Green Hornet would be a success. As for Chris Evans, he actually did get the character pretty well in a genre no one saw him do before, to the point of pretty much overturning the image people had of him - not that he had a big image to overturn in the first place. Ben Affleck has a huge image, and he's already done serious roles of the same genre, such as... Daredevil. Which didn't overturn his image. All the comparisons with other actors who have been a surprise success are based on the premise that those actors didn't actually do anything in that genre before, that's why we didn't know what they could do. Affleck has tried the genre, we know what he can do, and it tanked.
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Post by: Joulz on August 26, 2013, 12:33:30 am
the problem here is this guy usually fails to present himself as the character he is playing: i only see Ben Affleck, the celebrity...he fails to make me forget who he is, and it's going to suck if i'm watching Ben Affleck instead of Bruce Wayne on screen
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2013, 08:39:50 am
Green Hornet isn't really the best example; people got very upset over Seth Rogen's casting ("he won't play Hornet as an action hero, he'll make him a joke of a hero"), and were pretty much vindicated in the result (Kato does all of the heavy lifting, and Rogen's Green Hornet is there for the comedy). But nobody really cares about Green Hornet anymore, not on the level of Batman, so you didn't really see the level of outrage that's directed at Affleck right now.
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Post by: Neocide on August 26, 2013, 11:01:45 am
^ sorta that on the Green hornet thing. It's mainly known as a show that made bruce lee famous. I'm in the camp of not thinking Affleck is a horrible actor just with batman it's a lot ofrange to the character that I don't feel confident Affleck could pull off. Batman is a big role,but so is bruce wayne, there is certain balance and in between to them that is complex.
Ben can be good in singular roles, where his range can be more centered to one type of character. Especially even more so in a batman\superman movie.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on August 27, 2013, 12:59:36 am
I saw this on FB and I said: This should be viewed here... so, here you are ;)
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Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2013, 01:14:53 am
Suddenly the Man of Steel portrayal makes a lot more sense : Superman as we know him isn't born in Man of Steel, he's born in the sequel. Luthor hates him for the kind of shit he pulled in MoS, Superman learns to step away from killing after what he did in MoS, etc. Maybe meeting Batman and finding contrast with him will be the final push for the Man of Steel to become the Superman. I know, whether this is an official image or a fan-made fake, doesn't matter (I'm assuming it's fake since "on Facebook" isn't exactly a stellar source for official stuff), it puts the movie in perspective with its sequel and the characters involved.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on August 27, 2013, 11:32:42 pm
Someone forgot to brief The Dark Knight's Lucius Fox about Ben Affleck putting on the Batman suit.
Morgan Freeman, who played Bruce Wayne's wise business partner in three Dark Knight movies, was surprised by the casting when speaking to USA TODAY on Monday morning.
"This is the first I am hearing of it," said Freeman. "My first reactions are 'Wow' and 'Good luck.'"
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Post by: Bea on August 27, 2013, 11:44:58 pm
There is one easy way for him to play Batman well and have every single person on earth love him forever as Batman. He needs to play Adam's West Batman.
He must use shark repellent spray, run around carrying a bomb while complaining that some days it is entirely too difficult to get rid of a bomb and have a side kick saying "Holy [insert adjective here] Batman".
There, instant world love.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on August 28, 2013, 12:15:25 am
and have a side kick saying "Holy [insert adjective here] Batman".
Thanks for remind me about that "sidekick"... http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/justin-timberlake-sells-soul-batman-runner-runner-005301742.html ...because of this movie, there're some rumours about Timberlake being Robin in Superman/Batman
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Post by: Joulz on August 28, 2013, 12:15:43 am
Suddenly the Man of Steel portrayal makes a lot more sense : Superman as we know him isn't born in Man of Steel, he's born in the sequel. Luthor hates him for the kind of shit he pulled in MoS, Superman learns to step away from killing after what he did in MoS, etc. Maybe meeting Batman and finding contrast with him will be the final push for the Man of Steel to become the Superman. I know, whether this is an official image or a fan-made fake, doesn't matter (I'm assuming it's fake since "on Facebook" isn't exactly a stellar source for official stuff), it puts the movie in perspective with its sequel and the characters involved.
yep pretty much this
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Post by: Nero D. on August 28, 2013, 01:03:12 am
for a fanmade trailer this wasn't half bad honestly
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Post by: Segatron on August 28, 2013, 01:01:55 pm
Ben Affleck might be Bruce or the rookie cop portrayed Joseph Gordon Lewitt.
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Post by: QuickFist on August 29, 2013, 01:48:04 am
Ben Affleck might be Bruce or the rookie cop portrayed Joseph Gordon Lewitt.
Read the title of this topic.
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Post by: walt on August 29, 2013, 03:28:04 pm
I think you just didn't understand his post. He's implying that Ben Affleck's character in the new movie may not be Bruce Wayne, but the character portrayed by Joseph Gordon-Levitt who got the mantle passed on to.
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Post by: Nero D. on August 30, 2013, 04:33:44 am
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2013, 07:39:57 am
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Based On
BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT FALLS
By
Frank Miller & Klaus Janson
Ah yes, The Dark Knight Falls, one of the most famous Batman stories, along with The Murderous Joke and The Lengthy Halloween.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
like they'd ever put Robin in a movie, he's not realistic enough to exist in a world where a guy dresses up as Dracula to fight crime
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Post by: Bea on September 14, 2013, 07:44:08 am
Considering DC track record, I wouldn't doubt that we can end having a Robin, and Bieber being the one picked to play him.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2013, 07:45:49 am
I don't know, Bieber just isn't masculine enough to pull off Carrie Kelly!
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Post by: Lord Kain on September 14, 2013, 07:46:20 am
He may be trollin...
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2013, 07:50:10 am
Of course it's fake, it's far too early for there to be a script, even with the ridiculously accelerated production WB is rushing this through.
probably
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Post by: QuickFist on September 14, 2013, 04:43:46 pm
That just scared the crap outta me, but thank god it's fake and he's just a jackass
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2013, 09:19:19 pm
So that might be for a Funny or Die sketch or something. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justin-bieber-teases-batman-superman-629247)
Also, that article pointed out that the fourth issue of The Dark Knight Returns was named The Dark Knight Falls, so, whoops. That's the issue where Batman totally beats Superman and proves he's the best by taking down a severly weakened Superman who is doing everything (super)humanly possibly to not a dude bent on going out in a blaze of glory. Because Superman is like, a tool of the man, totally lame.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 09, 2013, 06:18:25 am
A casting call for Batman/Superman, looking for a "tall, brunette, athletic, and exotic" female lead (http://www.avclub.com/articles/actresses-vie-for-role-of-brunette-woman-who-may-o,105343/), which everyone has taken to mean Wonder Woman, for no real reason. I mean sure it might be Wonder Woman, but it could just as easily be Batman's love interest or something.
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Post by: Bea on November 09, 2013, 09:11:33 am
Batman's love interest is Robin. :P They ain't going to change that, I am sure!
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Post by: SNT on November 09, 2013, 09:30:31 am
A casting call for Batman/Superman, looking for a "tall, brunette, athletic, and exotic" female lead (http://www.avclub.com/articles/actresses-vie-for-role-of-brunette-woman-who-may-o,105343/), which everyone has taken to mean Wonder Woman, for no real reason. I mean sure it might be Wonder Woman, but it could just as easily be Batman's love interest or something.
How did I miss the DC cinematic thread? Apparently Jaimie Alexander has been speaking with WB, and has read the script. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/01/jaimie-alexander-confirms-thor-3-has-had-conversations-with-wb-about-batman-vs-superman)
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 09, 2013, 06:02:45 pm
Batman's love interest is Robin. :P They ain't going to change that, I am sure!
Well...
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Meanwhile, Latino Review passes along its own unconfirmed rumor that the studio is also looking for a “young John Hawkes type” to play a Dick Grayson/Nightwing who hasn’t spoken to Batman “in years,” which has presumably caused him to move to Gotham’s woods and start a meth lab.
they're not seeing each other anymore. If indeed that rumor is true.
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Post by: Joulz on November 09, 2013, 06:39:56 pm
NIGHTWING!!!! please
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 19, 2013, 06:57:51 am
So this one actor from Girls was rumored to be playing Nightwing but then it turns out he's not, maybe (http://www.avclub.com/article/turns-out-adam-driver-is-not-the-hero-batman-vs-su-105755), who knows. But it definitely seems like Nightwing will be in the movie.
And Kevin Smith, whose work on Batman involved him retconning Year One to have Batman piss his pants in a pivotal scene, for some reason, has been raving about the costume (http://www.avclub.com/article/batmansuperman-movie-may-have-girls-adam-driver-de-105423) for Batman, saying:
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You have not seen this costume in film before. Because every other movie has done this Matrix-y black armor thing... There wasn't a single nipple on this fucking suit, man. I think everyone is gonna be like 'Holy shit! We haven't been down this path before.' Even the hardest-core 'fuck this movie' person will be like, 'All right, I'm ready!'
which could mean literally anything; a straight up tights affair (ludicrously unlikely), a blue and grey armor type deal (an exceedingly small change but sounds like something Kevin Smith would hype up, because he would hype up literally anything they showed him), or even I dunno that robot suit from the finale of DKR (the comic), since he'll be fighting Batman and all. And is old. And is semi-retired.
...fuck, they're gonna put him in a robot suit and he'll be in the robot suit the whole time probably, completely missing the point and uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
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Post by: Thedge on November 19, 2013, 01:10:40 pm
Fighting Sups, you mean. I think it will be just a blue/grey costume.
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Post by: Bea on November 19, 2013, 01:31:32 pm
For old and retired Batman, they should have gotten Adam West. He would be able to save this movie!
And it can't be a simple blue/grey costume because Adam West (the only real Batman) had done it in film before. :P
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Post by: Thedge on November 19, 2013, 02:33:21 pm
You are totally right about the costume.. And you are totally worng too, you heretic, Keaton was Batman too.
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Post by: Bea on November 19, 2013, 03:02:23 pm
But did Keaton run for several scenes carrying a live bomb with his own hands that needed to be disposed? I don't think so. Adam West did, thus he is the real Batman!
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Post by: Byakko on November 19, 2013, 03:05:49 pm
Bale carried a nuke though.
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Post by: Bea on November 19, 2013, 03:19:09 pm
Not with his own hands, so it doesn't count. :P
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 19, 2013, 07:03:41 pm
But did Keaton run for several scenes carrying a live bomb with his own hands that needed to be disposed? I don't think so.
Well... yes. He did.
Batman Returns, second Red Triangle Circus fight.
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Post by: Bea on November 19, 2013, 07:26:04 pm
Yeah. He picked it and in less than one scene stuck it to a Penguin minion for him to blow up and die.
Adam West had to avoid fanfares, innocent people, a couple in love, a duck and it's ducklings among several extras that couldn't be harmed by that bomb. He did much more to dispense it without ANYONE getting hurt.
Adam West Batman is the best Batman. He also got shark repellent bat-spray? Does Keaton, eh, eh? ;)
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 19, 2013, 07:28:17 pm
Pshaw. West didn't have it for a super-long amount of time, it's totally comparable. Keaton is awesome. That's just science.
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Post by: Bea on November 19, 2013, 07:30:11 pm
I will give you that Keaton is the second best Batman ever, just after Adam West. The others movie Batman can't hope to compare to those two.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 19, 2013, 07:37:26 pm
Where does Kevin Conroy fit?
He counts, Mask of the Phantasm was released theatrically!!!
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Post by: Bea on November 19, 2013, 07:42:48 pm
He is a voice actor. He is at another level. But if I have to fit him within the movie Batmen list, he is right there, tied with Keaton. The man is damn good at voicing Batman.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 22, 2013, 05:01:55 am
The following list are potential titles for the Batman/Superman movie: (http://www.avclub.com/article/here-are-a-bunch-of-possible-titles-for-the-batman-105893)
Man Of Steel: Battle The Knight Man Of Steel: Beyond Darkness Man Of Steel: Black Of Knight Man Of Steel: Darkness Falls Man Of Steel: Knight Falls Man Of Steel: Shadow Of The Night Man Of Steel: The Blackest Hour Man Of Steel: The Darkness Within
absolutely none of which are anything besides garbage.
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Post by: Roman55 on November 22, 2013, 07:14:45 am
Is it so hard to call it World's Finest?
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 22, 2013, 07:16:10 am
But how will people know it has Superman and Batman in it? And is a sequel to Man of Steel? And reminds people of The Dark Knight trilogy? Stop being silly.
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Post by: Thedge on December 04, 2013, 07:18:33 pm
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Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 04, 2013, 08:15:05 pm
smh of all people WHY NOT PICK GINA CARANO
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Post by: QuickFist on December 04, 2013, 08:37:13 pm
She doesn't look like WW to me at all, she's pretty and all, but not as I see WW
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Post by: Bea on December 04, 2013, 10:03:27 pm
... :'( Really Warner... REALLY? A twig to play Wonder Fucking Woman, the most badass of all Amazons?
This gal can hit the gym all she likes and yet she will never have the body to be Wonder Woman. :/ And here I was thinking that they couldn't make a poorer casting decision than what they have done before.
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Post by: QuickFist on December 04, 2013, 10:10:18 pm
Exactly! Wonder Woman is athletic, she is badass! This girl is really thin, I also see WW with a "tough" Beauty, IDK if you know what I mean
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Post by: Bea on December 04, 2013, 10:22:27 pm
I know exactly what you mean. The actress to play Wonder Woman would have to be sorta like a younger Lucy Lawless of Xena fame. Rugged, big, tough and yet beautiful.
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Post by: Aldo on December 04, 2013, 10:31:18 pm
haha, DC casting team sucks. She´s awfully skinny for being Wonder Woman.
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Post by: QuickFist on December 04, 2013, 10:32:03 pm
I know exactly what you mean. The actress to play Wonder Woman would have to be sorta like a younger Lucy Lawless of Xena fame. Rugged, big, tough and yet beautiful.
Yes!! You couldn't have said it better! But instead they pick this skinny girl (no offense to her) she's pretty and all, but she ain't WW
Same as Affleck isn't Bruce Wayne
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Post by: Person Man on December 04, 2013, 11:14:42 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordpfft_zpsf2c0b989.png[/avatar]Oh good, yet another major Justice League staple being introduced to their wannabe movie universe as a minor plot point in a Superman movie. I know that these guys are desperate to try and steal a chunk of that sweet Avengers money, but I'm beginning to think that they don't actually know that Avengers wasn't the only movie in that series.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 05, 2013, 06:15:47 am
I'm so so so glad that Wonder Woman, the most important female superhero, will have her debut movie appearance in a movie about two dudes where she will be lucky to do anything more than Lois Lane did in MoS. Simply delighted.
Also, why are you guys talking about whether she has the right body type for Wondy, you should be upset that her boobs aren't big enough, like these fine folks! (https://twitter.com/search?q=wonder%20woman%20boobs&src=typd)
I mean, I'm sure she'll bulk up (though there's a limit as to how much that will help making her seem all big and tall like Wondy should be), but what really matters is whether she can pull off being believably imposing, commanding, and, well, Amazonian. I don't know enough about this actress to judge.
Well, I mean, she's not terrible as an actress, but lets just say she's a better at MMA than acting. There's a reason Haywire was structured in a way so that not much was demanded of her, acting-wise. And also because her voice was dubbed over.
Oh good, yet another major Justice League staple being introduced to their wannabe movie universe as a minor plot point in a Superman movie. I know that these guys are desperate to try and steal a chunk of that sweet Avengers money, but I'm beginning to think that they don't actually know that Avengers wasn't the only movie in that series.
If this were a straight up Trinity movie I think it could work. Because Batman needs no introduction, and Superman is already set up. They'd just have to abandon all pretenses that it'd be a sequel to MoS because they'd need to focus on Wonder Woman and the relationships between the three leads, which would leave no room for bland Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen's sister and so on.
And if they set up the rest of the JL'ers in TV shows (which might be the case, still don't know if Arrow is in the MoS-verse, in which case they've got a Green Arrow and a Flash and even a Black Canary and a Huntress and why am I even mentioning them there is no chance on Earth they'd have more than one female superhero in a JL movie) they could go straight to a JL movie after a Trinity movie. No need to make a movie for every member.
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Post by: Mgbenz on December 07, 2013, 01:40:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0G9dz4L.jpg)
He's getting there. Just a few months more.
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Post by: Bea on December 07, 2013, 02:57:41 pm
Yeah, Affleck had time to prepare, and the male body is easier to buff up. Testosterone is one hell of a drug.
He is looking good. Now to hope that my dreams that he will play 66 Batman to save the film will come true.
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Post by: Byakko on December 07, 2013, 03:24:50 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/12/03/warner-bros-producer-tells-us-to-expect-wonder-woman-and-doomsday-in-superman-batman-movie/ Villain seems to be Doomsday.
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Post by: Bea on December 07, 2013, 06:40:13 pm
... Doomsday? DOOMSDAY?
That guy should be played way later, in a film where Superman dies. He is far too important for such film. -_-
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Post by: SlySuavity on December 07, 2013, 08:50:18 pm
Adding on to that, what's wrong with Lex Luthor? :(
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Post by: Byakko on December 07, 2013, 08:58:29 pm
Bald corporate guy in a suit is boring against three superheroes including two superpowered ones that no doubt like to destroy lots of stuff and level entire cities - judging from the Man of Steel performance.
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Post by: SlySuavity on December 07, 2013, 09:03:30 pm
Who says that bald corporate guy in a suit couldn't do the same, let alone world-wide as is in Superman Returns for instance?
Terrible film, but still.
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Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2013, 10:14:07 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordimpatient.png[/avatar]Lex Luthor can be a great villain, but as far as these movies go I can't imagine him being able to pose any sort of credible threat in a universe where Superman is willing to kill his enemies.
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Post by: Byakko on December 07, 2013, 10:18:55 pm
^-- exactly.
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Post by: Saikoro on December 07, 2013, 10:58:01 pm
Wait a minute... We have Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman and now Doomsday in the same film??
Does this even follow the lore of the comic books?? I'm sorry, but this sounds like a mediocre film already. They should have stuck with the Nolan-esque way of doing things, I.E. having standalone films with great writing and fleshed out characters that have good action scenes as a bonus.
But... since Hollywood can't think based off of originality to save their asses, I suppose we're stuck with this bullshit.
Yeah, I don't like. Maybe a good trailer will persuade me otherwise.
Currently: :omg:
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Post by: SlySuavity on December 07, 2013, 11:14:50 pm
Lex Luthor can be a great villain, but as far as these movies go I can't imagine him being able to pose any sort of credible threat in a universe where Superman is willing to kill his enemies.
It's been done, actually. The general consensus is that not only would Lex damn the world with some cataclysm, he'd fracture Supermans' psyche and goad him to breaking his pacifist code (more so than he has in MoS, anyway). Coupled with Batmans' (hopefully in this universe) utmost refusal to kill, then that'd just shit all over everything and bring about another Injustice/Justice Lords event. Provided there's no killing involved at all, I'd say Lex remains a credible threat either way.
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Post by: Byakko on December 07, 2013, 11:20:42 pm
That's nice when it works but it needs Superman to build this pacifist code first. The rivalry with Lex is worthless without that, because a Superman who doesn't put killing as the very last resort to save others would just... kill Lex pretty soon. With the crossover reveal I thought MoS followed by a meeting with Batman would make Superman turn into the character we know, the pacifist, and having Lex come after that would have worked great, but if Doomsday's in it then it means that never was the way they were ever going to take Superman. And in this case Lex becomes worthless, even in a third movie, because Superman facing Doomsday makes him facing Lex really boring.
Oh, that being said, Doomsday makes sense following Man of Steel, because now Superman only fights stuff from his world (preferably some that causes massive destruction), not puny humans. And certainly not some bald corporate guy in a suit.
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Post by: Bea on December 08, 2013, 12:06:27 am
They could have given us Brainiac instead. He is a powerful threat that would need Batman and Wonder Woman to beat. This dumb Man of Steel wouldn't be able to even see what hit him on his own in this case.
I really doubt we will see Doomsday killing Superman in this film, and that alone breaks the sole reason Doomsday exists. He was the only being strong enough to push Superman that far and physically "defeat" him. :/
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Post by: Roman55 on December 08, 2013, 06:53:15 pm
No they probably just chose him so they can have more collateral damage and a higher body count (http://www.blastr.com/2013-11-11/snyder-defends-man-steels-controversial-violence-blasting-avengers).
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Post by: GOH on December 09, 2013, 10:55:01 am
Wow, they really wanna botch this movie.
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Post by: Retro Respecter on December 09, 2013, 08:46:19 pm
Didn't we say the same things about "Man of Steel?"
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Post by: Byakko on December 09, 2013, 09:21:34 pm
And those who said it were right, what's your point
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 10, 2013, 08:00:59 pm
Jason Momoa is in talks to be in Batman/Superman (http://www.avclub.com/article/jason-momoa-will-be-playing-some-big-jason-momoalo-106363), with most speculating that he'll play Doomsday. And apparently the Flash will appear in the movie too, so Momoa might play another member of the JL, like Martian Manhunter (though given how he's been retconned out of the JL, maybe not, grumble grumble), or Aquaman, because DC wants everyone to take Aquaman seriously, guys, he's totally serious, see, look, look how cool he is, why don't you like him yet?
Who says that bald corporate guy in a suit couldn't do the same, let alone world-wide as is in Superman Returns for instance?
Terrible film, but still.
Superman Returns is likely exactly the reason he isn't the main villain here. He's an intellectual villain and not one who lends himself well to punching people into populated buildings (though Luthor's various armors would work for that purpose). DC learned all the wrong lessons from that movie (for instance, instead of making Superman fun and exciting, they made him more depressing); all they focused on was complaints of "SUPERMAN DOESN'T PUNCH ANYTHING", so they made him punch a whole bunch of people, never mind the fact that the best scene in Returns was the plane rescue, because it actually felt like Superman. And wasn't about him being a stalker deadbeat dad and Luthor's ultimate plan being another goddamn land scheme.
Does this even follow the lore of the comic books??
In the comics neither Wonder Woman nor Batman were involved in Superman's fight with Doomsday. The Justice League was involved (and got their asses kicked), but it people no one has heard of (but who are still totally awesome, like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle and Fire and Ice), and Martian Manhunter was there, disguised as someone else for some reason, and also Maxima. Them being involved wouldn't be a big deal, I don't think.
The bigger problems with using Doomsday are that he's not really all interesting of a villain (he usually doesn't even talk!). He's meant to be an unstoppable force of nature that can't be reasoned with, and Superman only manages to stop him by making the ultimate sacrifice. (and if Doomsday stayed dead there I think people would like him better)
But they're not gonna do a Death of Superman arc, not in the second movie, not in the same movie where he fights Batman, with Wonder Woman and possibly other JL'ers involved. So what's even the point? There's other physical villains they could do, like Metallo. Or Braniac, through drones or something. Are they just going with Doomsday because Death of Superman was really popular, and they'll be able to call him the guy who killed Superman?
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Post by: QuickFist on December 10, 2013, 08:06:41 pm
I actually liked MoS, but this, it's no looking good at all
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Post by: Bea on December 10, 2013, 08:13:30 pm
And if they wanted someone physically imposing, there is always Mongul, who is miles more interesting than Doomsday. Doomsday only glory was actually "killing" Superman, nothing else. As Mr. Jay said, it would have been better if Doomsday stayed dead after that fight.
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Post by: Byakko on December 10, 2013, 08:37:40 pm
Yeah right that other guy nobody knows Doomsday's the biggest, strongest, most destructive bad guy they have, that's all. I don't know why that's a surprise.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 11, 2013, 07:53:10 am
That Gotham City show about rookie cop James Gordon that doesn't have Batman in it will have a 10 year-old Bruce Wayne (http://www.avclub.com/article/foxs-gotham-tv-show-will-let-you-spend-time-with-b-106327), which again prompts the question asked when the show was first announced:
Why the fuck are they making this show and not a Gotham Central show?!?!?!
I mean yeah I get why (gotta save all the cool stuff for the movies, and old Gordon and any villains have to be played by movie stars who wouldn't deign to appear in a TV show, so they gotta go with young Gordon, no Batman, and either younger versions of the Bat-villains or I dunno their parents or some dumb fucking thing). But still. I want a goddamn Gotham Central show. >:[
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Post by: GOH on December 11, 2013, 12:40:13 pm
You will get your Smallville 2.0 and you will like it.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 11, 2013, 07:31:34 pm
If the show, around season 7, starts calling pre-Batman but still crimefighting Bruce Wayne "the Blue-Black Blur", then I think the universe will end, or something.
JOKE EXPLANATION: Smallvile eventually had Clark Kent move to Metropolis, work at the Daily Planet, and fight crime as an actual superhero, but because the rules of the show ("no tights, no flights") apparently could only be bent to allow everyone else on the show to wear tights and/or fly (seriously, they had Dr. Fate and Hawkman in straight up direct from the comics outfits), but not be broken for Clark. So he ran around at super-speed in red and blue leather and was known as "the red-blue blur". And it was as stupid as it sounds.
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Post by: Quasi-Tick on December 14, 2013, 03:00:35 am
Really wish instead of getting a Man of Steel sequel heavy on the Batman, we would get a sequel focusing more on just Clark. Oh well at least they didn't get a totally bad actor. I think Ben will crush it, now if they can just get a better script writer after Justice League. Cause Goyer = Crap... Especially when it comes to dialogue!
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Post by: Roman55 on December 18, 2013, 02:00:22 am
Ernie Hudson is in negotiations to join the cast of The CW's Flash show as Detective West.
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Post by: Neocide on December 18, 2013, 02:02:49 am
so he's going to be iris's dad too. Are they making iris black? Which would be cool. Or maybe she's adopted too I guess. My flash lore is pretty rusty.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 18, 2013, 02:28:01 am
so he's going to be iris's dad too. Are they making iris black? Which would be cool. Or maybe she's adopted too I guess. My flash lore is pretty rusty.
Iris WAS adopted pre-nu52. She was also from the 30th century and Ira West was a Nobel prize winning physicist rather than a police detective, so I think it's safe to say liberties will be taken on way or the other.
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Post by: Neocide on December 18, 2013, 06:16:15 am
okay yea I'm not really well known in flash verse. I know iris is wally's aunt or something, but I don't know much about her.
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Post by: Roman55 on December 18, 2013, 11:57:02 pm
Bats Vs Supes script (http://watchtowerofbabelnews.blogspot.com/2013/12/argo-scribe-chris-terrio-to-rewrite.html?spref=tw) is getting rewritten by Argo's Chris Terrio.
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Post by: Sky79 on December 19, 2013, 01:28:26 am
And if they wanted someone physically imposing, there is always Mongul, who is miles more interesting than Doomsday. Doomsday only glory was actually "killing" Superman, nothing else. As Mr. Jay said, it would have been better if Doomsday stayed dead after that fight.
He wasn't dead, he was knocked the f*** out.
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Post by: Roman55 on December 19, 2013, 02:19:31 am
No he really was dead. He just has some goofy ability to come back to life from that kind of stuff.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 19, 2013, 04:17:13 am
It just so happens that Superman was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 19, 2013, 04:23:41 am
okay yea I'm not really well known in flash verse. I know iris is wally's aunt or something, but I don't know much about her.
Who's Wally? I know no one by that name. Barry Allen has always been the Flash, and we have always been at war with Eastasia.
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Post by: Neocide on December 19, 2013, 04:29:29 am
YOU......WILL......KNOW.....MY......FURY.....
>:C
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Post by: Bea on December 19, 2013, 05:06:57 pm
There is a reason I have put "killing" between quotes.
Still, Doomsday is a terrible choice of a villain for this film. Heck... so far this film is only made of terrible choices. -_- Why can Marvel get all the good directors, story writers, actors and stuff while we DC fans have to suffer through this kind of thing? :'(
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Post by: QuickFist on December 19, 2013, 05:10:24 pm
No he really was dead. He just has some goofy ability to come back to life from that kind of stuff.
May want to reread WWaS. While they were trying to 'save' Superman, DD was still moving.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 20, 2013, 06:10:28 am
Joaquin Phoenix is being courted for a role in Batman vs. Superman (http://www.avclub.com/article/warner-bros-reportedly-wants-joaquin-phoenix-aroun-106603), with some speculating the role to be Luthor.
Except, Phoenix isn't exactly easy to work with and isn't one for franchises, so there's no guarantee they'd be able to keep him around if they do manage to get him for one movie, and also, Bryan Cranston is right there and I know that's what every idiot on the internet wants because hey look he portrayed a bald evil guy but Cranston is a great actor and would do well in the role and c'mon.
Why can Marvel get all the good directors, story writers, actors and stuff while we DC fans have to suffer through this kind of thing? :'(
Because Marvel Studios started up directly from Marvel instead of Marvel being absorbed into a media empire (I know, Disney, shut up, Marvel Studios is still a thing and it's completely subsumed) and thus actually gives a shit about the properties and takes risks with them.
:(
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Post by: SNT on December 20, 2013, 06:49:08 am
Jeez, how many people has Luthor been shopped around to now? Joaquin Phoenix, Callan Mulvey, Terry O'Quinn, Bryan Cranston, Jackie Earl Haley, Denzel Washington, hell I've seen some of the gossip sites throw around Nathan Fillion's name.
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Post by: Bea on December 20, 2013, 02:35:15 pm
... Joaquin Phoenix as Luthor? Please, don't let it come to be. This keeps getting worse by the minute.
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Post by: Segatron on December 20, 2013, 02:41:10 pm
Hmmn If this is the cast than I pray the movie becomes a development hell.
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Post by: GOH on December 20, 2013, 03:21:34 pm
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 01:19:00 am
RUMOR: Denzel Washington is gonna play John Stewart (http://nukethefridge.com/2013/12/27/exclusive-denzel-lex-hes-playing-green-lantern-superman-vs-batman/) (the Green Lantern not the host of the Daily Show)
Well that's pretty much spot-on casting. Because it's Denzel... as long as he actually gave a shit and acted. Which I wouldn't bet on.
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Post by: QuickFist on December 29, 2013, 01:24:00 am
Yeah I saw this somewhere else, but since it's a rumor I didn't wanted to post it. I don't think Denzel should be John Stewart, like there isn't any other good black actor, TBH I really don't like the idea of a Denzel GL
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 01:26:05 am
I mean he's a bit old for the part (he's pushing 60) but he doesn't look it and they could probably make him a contemporary of Batman. I think he could pull it off, but only if he gave a shit about the role.
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Post by: QuickFist on December 29, 2013, 01:29:54 am
I think he's very overrated, he's always the same
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Post by: Mechy on December 29, 2013, 01:32:30 am
He does not have the greatest range yeah, but he has been pretty damn good in a few movies.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 29, 2013, 03:17:10 am
Saying Denzel doesn't have range is like saying De Niro doesn't have range. There's movies like Flight where he can put in Oscar quality performances, and there's movies like Safe House where he doesn't really give a shit.
But oh baby is he the wrong choice for this role. They should be looking for a late 30's/early 40's actor that they can sign for multiple movies, but if they wanted to skew older, why not a Lance Reddick or a Keith David? Someone who's (1.) good at playing a non-nonsense kind of guy who can (2.) be extremely memorable in a reduced role that (3.) also wouldn't cost a ton of money? Why aren't you paying attention to what Marvel Studios is actually doing, Warner?
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 03:29:31 am
But oh baby is he the wrong choice for this role. They should be looking for a late 30's/early 40's actor that they can sign for multiple movies, but if they wanted to skew older, why not a Lance Reddick or a Keith David? Someone who's (1.) good at playing a non-nonsense kind of guy who can (2.) be extremely memorable in a reduced role that (3.) also wouldn't cost a ton of money? Why aren't you paying attention to what Marvel Studios is actually doing, Warner?
B-b-but they have to cast people who are in blockbusters! How else will people know to watch the movie!
although to be fair almost every single super-hero Marvel has cast in their movies has been a big movie star; besides Chris Pratt (he was in Zero Dark Thirty yeah but that's not on the same level) and Chris Hemsworth (neither does 5 minutes as Captain Kirk's dad in the Star Trek reboot), who else is there?
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Post by: Byakko on December 29, 2013, 03:37:50 am
*opens the Wikipedia page for the cast of Avengers* Chris Evans was a second role at best until Fantastic Four (a forgettable couple of movies with a forgettable role, his Scott Pilgrim role was more important), Jeremy Renner (he has a few good roles but nothing incredible), Tom Hiddleston (seriously, Thor was his third movie, not counting TV series), Mark Ruffalo, Clark Gregg, Cobie Smulders... Downey and Jackson are the only real big names on that list, Johansson was known but I can't recall any big role. Everyone else, even though they weren't complete noobs and had some good titles to their name, weren't material for a string of big titles. Like Ben Affleck or Denzel Washington.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 03:47:16 am
That's why I specified super-heroes and not the supporting cast. ::)
but yeah Evans (he was given all the attention in both Fantastic Fours, and they were hits) is not that great of an example, Renner was nominated for two Oscars and was the lead in The Hurt Locker. Ruffalo is probably the least famous, but even then he starred in Zodiac and already had an Oscar nom before Avengers.
But they were all still more known than Lance Reddick and Keith David are/were. Which sucks because they (Reddick and David) are so great!
Downey is probably a decent enough example, since he was not really though of much of a leading man until Iron Man, I guess.
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Post by: Byakko on December 29, 2013, 03:51:36 am
Hum, that's all of the superheroes in the Avengers movie. RDJ is a big name, SLJ is too, then there's Evans, Hemsworth, Ruffalo, Johansson, Renner (okay, if he was in line for two Oscars, maybe he's the best placed of them), Hiddleston. That's all of them.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 03:52:43 am
But Loki is a supervillain!!! >:[
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Post by: Byakko on December 29, 2013, 03:56:45 am
Then disregard him and the superheroes are still unchanged. In fact, beside Avengers, Iron Man got Cheadle, Paltrow, Rourke (who, much like RDJ, wasn't much until his rehabilitation in the Wrestler movie)... Thor has Portman, Hopkins... The supporting cast actually has far bigger names than the superheroes. Even Jackson is a supporting role.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 04:05:50 am
One thing's for sure, Marvel is so much better at the casting game than DC is that it's not even funny.
I mean Jesus even good actors can't come away unscathed, it took American Hustle to remind me how fucking great Amy Adams is, what the hell happened in Man of Steel? :(
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 29, 2013, 04:09:12 am
My point is MONEY. There's no reason to be paying Denzel big bucks for, at best, a 3 picture deal that he's probably going to half-ass when you can pay someone who'd be far better suited for less.
Don Cheadle didn't get to be War Machine because of all that Ocean's Eleven star power, he got to be War Machine because he was willing to do it for less money. Marvel signs their actors into multi-picture deals for a song and re-negotiates only if the actor leaving would cut into the success of the next film. Warner for all intents and purposes throws money away and wonders why their stuff outside of Batman fails to meet their expectations.
it took American Hustle to remind me how fucking great Amy Adams is, what the hell happened in Man of Steel? :(
Because Zack Snyder couldn't direct a cat to claw at a curtain. It's just a shame my lovely princess Amy had to be Lois in his movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 04:26:19 am
Denzel in actually-giving-a-shit-mode would kill as John, IMO, but I'm certainly not gonna expect anything other than him sleepwalking through all his scenes. If he even is cast.
But then again Superman movies have a long tradition of paying big actors ludicrous amounts of money to half-ass their way through their roles, going all the way back to Marlon Brando's Jor-El. Of all the things they could've kept from those movies, they've truly picked the best. Like, can you just imagine where would we be without the inane Christ metaphors?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 29, 2013, 04:42:56 am
I've been waiting years for the Legion movie with Cosmic Boy as Saul/Paul spreading the word of Superman across the universe.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 29, 2013, 04:52:10 am
I want Matter Eater Lad (because he's simply the best (http://mightygodking.com/images/tenzil-rocks.jpg)), a cameo from Arm Fall Off Boy, lots of Braniac 5 being a smarmy dick, and a non-werewolf Timber Wolf.
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Post by: Sky79 on December 29, 2013, 03:42:07 pm
Ben Affleck might actually be a worse choice than George Clooney as Bruce Wayne/Batman IMO.
George Clooney could have played a great Bruce/Batman, he has the acting chops. The problem is, both he, the writers and 'Shoeshmucker' have no respect for the character.
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Post by: Roman55 on December 30, 2013, 12:12:36 am
Schumacher may still get shit but to be fair he at least apologized. And a LOT of the stuff wrong with Batman & Robin was due to marketing execs.
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Post by: MDI on December 30, 2013, 07:16:19 am
Yeah you'd think that the guy who did Falling Down and created an awesome character like D-Fens would have made Batman a badass. Too bad the movies were just giant toy commercials.
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Post by: SNT on December 31, 2013, 08:04:37 am
Schumacher may still get shit but to be fair he at least apologized. And a LOT of the stuff wrong with Batman & Robin was due to marketing execs.
Real talk? Burton made two Burton movies starring Batman, and Nolan made a Nolan trilogy starring Batman; each good in their own right, but still more of themselves than the source material. At least we were spared Helena Bonham Carter as Catwoman by a good 12 years or so, but I digress. Schumacher was the only one to try and make an actual Batman movie. If he'd have just dialed it down a little and stood up to the execs a bit, we could've had something on par with TAS.
As for Clooney, he made for a terrible Batman, but a good Bruce Wayne. Either way, a better script and who knows what might've happened.
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Post by: Mgbenz on December 31, 2013, 08:33:08 am
Were the execs responsible for the bat-nipples?
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 31, 2013, 08:58:03 am
Schumacher was the only one to try and make an actual Batman movie. If he'd have just dialed it down a little and stood up to the execs a bit, we could've had something on par with TAS.
No. Just no. That's absurd. He's just not that good of a filmmaker; his best movies are in the end just kinda meh. Even if one ascribes the excesses of his two Batman movies on the executives, the stuff that's left isn't really anything noteworthy, it's all just standard Batman stuff that's not even done that well. And I find it hard to believe everything terrible about those movies was the sole result of the studios. Forever was of course a reaction against the super kid-unfriendliness of Returns, and gives a pretty good look into what the execs were happy with. Why, then, did everything go so overboard with Batman and Robin? It can't all be the execs, Schumacher had sway, he had to have had major influence on the movie.
And that influence wasn't pretty.
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Post by: SNT on December 31, 2013, 09:24:33 am
I said he tried, I didn't say he succeeded.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 31, 2013, 10:12:29 am
Right, but there's nothing that really shows that he'd do anything better than mediocre if he had absolutely zero studio interference.
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Post by: Graphicus on December 31, 2013, 05:50:21 pm
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Post by: SNT on January 07, 2014, 06:41:37 am
Clark had the edge over Zod and Faora because he had spent his whole adolescence sucking up yellow sun power and dealing with the senses thing while they'd not only just arrived but were also shielding themselves from it.
And now they're saying that because the Amazonians are descendants of colonial Kryptonians who have been sucking up yellow sun power generation after generation after generation, that means they'll be weaker than Superman?
Shit, I can overlook all sorts of poorly hashed out things for the sake of a movie, but this should be glaringly obvious to anyone.
In better news, WB came to their senses and now Cobie Smulders is Wonder Woman. HIDDEN TEXT HERE==>In The Lego Movie. HA!
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2014, 07:33:48 am
Y'know, I thought they might do something like this (I totally predicted something that was pretty plausible, god I sound like a douchenozzle), but... Jesus, them actually doing is just so completely awful. And then the power level shit. So now they're not only making Wonder Woman, the first goddamn female superhero, the most well-known one, whose name still has a lot of recognition to it, and they not only make her movie debut in a movie about Batman and Superman fighting and then discovering their true love for each other or whatever, but they make her a derivative of Superman and substantially weaker than him too.
Fucking Christ. I really hope that this is just a totally batshit fake rumor.
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Post by: Neocide on January 07, 2014, 07:40:53 am
I hope so too. Because all this is doing is making Wonder woman less and less her own character and making her a superman support character.
Dc is really fucking up, then again I mean cmon they are doing an animated movie on the new 52 already, and they gave batman a chinstrap -_-
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Post by: Iced on January 07, 2014, 07:45:37 am
Quote
a movie about Batman and Superman fighting and then discovering their true love
not sure if on purpose.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2014, 07:53:21 am
Let's be honest here, a fair amount of World's Finest comics (and especially Loeb's run of Batman/Superman) basically end about ten seconds before they'd become straight-up slash fiction.
It's pretty weird! And also hot.
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Post by: Mechy on January 07, 2014, 08:01:59 am
I would watch it.
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Post by: SNT on January 07, 2014, 08:09:51 am
So I just saw the trailer for that New 52 movie.
Where's John?
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Post by: Sky79 on January 07, 2014, 11:04:39 pm
So they pick a weak, tiny model with no real respect for her, play Wonder Woman, turn her into a sidekick style character to Superman, ruin her backstory, trash Greek mythology and now have a 60 year old man play Green Lantern?!? Da F**K!
*starts drinking*
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2014, 03:44:31 am
So remember that show, Gotham, that was supposed to be about Commissioner Gordon, with occasional appearances by Bruce Wayne as a kid? Well forget all that nonsense it's actually Smallville but with Batman this time, (http://www.avclub.com/article/foxs-gotham-will-feature-classic-batman-villains-a-106904) and will follow 12 year old Bruce up until he puts on the cape; villains such as Catwoman, Penguin, and the Riddler will also apparently appear and the series will show how they became villains or something. The series is to serve as an origin series for the new Batman franchise, and it all sounds awful.
I mean, seriously. It has sounded more and more dreadful each piece of news and now it's just straight up Smallville: Batman edition. So I guess eventually Bruce Wayne will be running around fighting crime in a leather jacket, doing things that don't make sense for him to be doing before he becomes Batman, fighting iconic villains but hey don't worry it doesn't count this time for some reason, spinning things out for 10 years until Bruce is a 30 year old man with multiple Robins, is a member of the Justice League, has had a son whom he knows about and has met/teamed up with, has an entire rogues gallery, and every episode will contain overbearing hints that he needs to make a SYMBOL to make criminals FEAR HIM and become a real superhero even though he already is one.
and it's kind of worse for Batman, especially with the villain stuff; one of the strongest ideas that has developed in the Batman mythos is that Batman's appearance causes crime to evolve, to produce super-villains. Batman arrives in Gotham and defeats crime. But crime can't die, so it becomes something else. Something like the Joker, or the Riddler. Even organized crime changes, and is controlled by people obsessed with birds or have a funeral mask fused to their face or crazy shit like that.
But that's going to be lost here. I know it will be, because they'll have all those people have their origins on the show, and they'll operate as super-villains, all before Batman. And in doing so, they toss out one of the coolest, most interesting themes of Batman. And that really stinks.
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Post by: Neocide on January 14, 2014, 01:41:59 pm
I totally agree with all of that, and this really makes me worry in general about it. None of the other superhero's really have that sort of aspect to them. Others were already established or a byproduct of something else.
This is DC trying to pull an arrow with their most profitable franchise outside of superman. This is going to be bad,really bad. Hopefully it'll get cancelled. Establishing any of bats' main rogues would totally kill a huge part of him entirely, And if the show is actually good, it still ruins a huge chunk of the mytho from him.
:/
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Post by: Sky79 on January 14, 2014, 03:18:02 pm
People rightly give Shoeshmucker hell for his work in the franchise. But lets keep in mind who the real problem was, someone somewhere deep in DC 'green lit' movie(s) like that, what this tells me is that DC has issues within the company. Hacks, that do things like this need to be fired, not simply because of the respect the company looses, but the bare bone fact is they loose hundreds of millions of dollars when they don't treat fans and casual watchers with respect. Quick, cash in shows/movie(s) like what we are seeing being built are bad for business.
They'll say, 'oh well, lets try this next', and sleep sweet that night. But, it's the characters that suffer for it. They have to be fired, it's the only way.
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Post by: Person Man on January 14, 2014, 03:38:34 pm
It's like I keep saying: Warner just wants to compete with Marvel's Avengers franchise without bothering to try to understand what made Avengers work. They made a movie with all their superheroes? Fuck it, our next movie has all our superheroes. They made a tie-in TV show? Fuck it, we're making a tie-in TV show. It doesn't matter if it makes sense, just do it.
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Post by: Sky79 on January 14, 2014, 03:41:55 pm
Just for 'kicks' (pun), I got your Batman and GreenLantern right here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t03wigE8GK0
I Vote Scott Atkins for Batman.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 15, 2014, 04:13:10 am
And the worst thing about all this is the fact that they have Batman and Superman means they don't really need to do the same things Marvel, and show everyone the origin of those two. They could've easily skipped all of it, either starting off directly with a Batman/Superman movie or a reboot of Superman and then the team-up, while doing a Wonder Woman movie and a Flash one, and more too. They're probably shooting for a 2017 (or 2018? IDK whenever Avengers 3 is supposed to come out) release for their Justice League movie, and that would give them plenty of time to set up the characters who actually do need individual movies. But instead we've got another goddamn origin for Batman. Really fucking great, Warner Brothers.
also that Constantine series is going to pilot, and NBC is contractually obligated to show it no matter what (http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/01/john-constantine-pilot-order-nbc/); and a reminder, this is going to be co-written by visionary screenwriter David S. Goyer (Man of Steel), so, yeah
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Post by: Iced on January 18, 2014, 03:30:08 am
a running rumour is that Arthur Curry is a environmental activist investigating the effects that the World Engine had on the surrounding marine lifeforms.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 22, 2014, 04:11:08 am
It's like they're trying to make the stupidest creative decisions imaginable.
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Post by: Bea on January 22, 2014, 10:33:51 am
It's like they're trying to make the stupidest creative decisions imaginable.
This, so much this.
I just hope that the rumour about Affleck leaving this mess comes true, screwing everything in the process so that Warner has no other option but drop this project. There is no salvation for this mess. Just kill it at once and start fresh.
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Post by: walt on January 22, 2014, 05:45:36 pm
/me googles (hah, that's a verb) "Arthur Curry DC wiki"
Ah, Aquaman. I never had any idea of where that guy came from, and none of his origins seem plausible or reasonable. Having Atlantis exist as an unexplored, unknown continent in the sea, without having contact with the rest of the modern world sounds like the most stupidest thing they could aim form, ever. Same goes for WW's origin.
So, what would you guys rather have their origins be? I mean, seriously, at least let me try to unsderstand what would be "acceptable" for you guys.
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Post by: Iced on January 22, 2014, 06:27:29 pm
Bitten by a radioactive dolphin, Arthur curry awakens to find his body changed in strange bizarre ways! He is now able to talk to fish and breathe underwater without any tools! Taking on a new customed identity he becomes the Sea Man Aquaman.
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Post by: walt on January 22, 2014, 06:43:57 pm
I also find Sam Reimi's SpiderMan saga to be THE stupidest. My 2 cents.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 22, 2014, 07:04:01 pm
That's funny cause it's the exact same origin as Webb's Spider-Man :V
Having Atlantis exist as an unexplored, unknown continent in the sea, without having contact with the rest of the modern world sounds like the most stupidest thing they could aim form, ever. Same goes for WW's origin.
So, what would you guys rather have their origins be? I mean, seriously, at least let me try to unsderstand what would be "acceptable" for you guys.
Uh, just their normal origins? Atlantis and Themyscira are literally magic, and I know for a fact that the latter is magically hidden from the world. If the rumors about Wonder Woman's origins in the new movie are true then they won't even have that; there will probably be some technological cloaking going on.
I'm pretty sure the same is usually true of Atlantis but I'm not completely sure. And even if it wasn't it's deep under the sea, there's enough wiggle room there.
But in the end all of that is really really unimportant. This is the same universe in which aliens who literally look exactly like humans can fly and shoot lasers out of their eyes because the color of the sun: believability ain't the most important thing here. The "ancient advanced kingdom unknown from the rest of the world" trope has existed for millenia, and it's not going anywhere. There's absolutely nothing wrong with either Themyscira or Atlantis, and any implausiblities are easily hand-waved away. And they're already keeping Themyscira anyway!
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Post by: dakidbanks on January 22, 2014, 10:47:51 pm
/me googles (hah, that's a verb) "Arthur Curry DC wiki"
Ah, Aquaman. I never had any idea of where that guy came from, and none of his origins seem plausible or reasonable. Having Atlantis exist as an unexplored, unknown continent in the sea, without having contact with the rest of the modern world sounds like the most stupidest thing they could aim form, ever. Same goes for WW's origin.
So, what would you guys rather have their origins be? I mean, seriously, at least let me try to unsderstand what would be "acceptable" for you guys.
Idk.... this DC cinematic universe had Kryptonian ships right inside an unexplored cave of ice with a clear entryway that Lois walked through following Superman.
I really don't mind the Atlantis existing as an unknown unexplored continent in the sea thing because that's generally how Atlantis has always started off portrayed to my knowledge.
The WW origin would be the most difficult to explain because her residence is actually on land and would be difficult to explain why its unknown.... unless its off the radar and shielded like Gorilla City.
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Post by: Sky79 on January 22, 2014, 10:59:16 pm
Well thats just it, leaders of some contries have people believing events in history arent real. Some believe we never walked on the moon, because they think it can't be done. Hell, there are still places on earth we just can't make it to. It's a bit arrogant to think that we tiny humans can and have been everywhere and know everything.
"Legends" stay that way till people find out they're real
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Post by: Segatron on January 28, 2014, 01:40:03 am
Jeremy Irons as Alfred, Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2014, 07:10:55 pm
is this a fucking joke
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Post by: QuickFist on January 31, 2014, 07:11:51 pm
WHAT!? That's it, direct-to-trash can film
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Post by: Thedge on January 31, 2014, 07:15:05 pm
Holy crap, that's a terrible casting choice, I don't mind Irons as Alfred but Eisenberg surely is a terrible, terrible choice for the role.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 31, 2014, 07:16:12 pm
His Holiness Pope Scar is an inspired choice for Alfred, but it sounds like someone accidentally wrote Lex Luthor in the space where Jimmy Olson should be.
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Post by: Iced on January 31, 2014, 07:18:14 pm
Lex, a startup milionaire, rose to power via social networking
"lex at computer with paint on,opens a superman picture, types in big impact font "SUPERMAN OR MURDERMAN"
Print send in to lexgag" Another plan well thought out.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on January 31, 2014, 07:34:33 pm
now I hope this movie si so bad it becomes the van-damme-street-fighter-ii of this generation; that's the only thing that can save it now.
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Post by: Bea on January 31, 2014, 07:39:10 pm
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2014, 08:06:49 pm
Eisenberg is a fantastic actor but I can't imagine another actor who would be worse for the role of Lex Luthor than him. Maybe Michael Cera, because he doesn't even have playing an amoral tech genius on his resume?
I mean, that scenario Iced posted really isn't far beyond the realms of possibility. They want a hip young Luthor, probably throw in some painfully awkward references to social media, so why not grab the guy who played the inventor of Facebook?
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Post by: Mechy on January 31, 2014, 08:11:26 pm
Lex Luthor is bald and adult sized right? Those are both pretty big obstacles for Eisenberg.
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Post by: Thedge on January 31, 2014, 08:13:44 pm
The baldness is not an issue actually, is everything else.
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Post by: Person Man on January 31, 2014, 08:14:40 pm
It's like they're trying to do everything wrong. And you know what? I'm down with that. This movie's pretty much beyond all hope at this point, so let's just enjoy the ride to the bottom. I wanna see just how bad this is going to get. Should be fun. :D
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Post by: Bea on January 31, 2014, 08:17:02 pm
Well, perhaps they have cast him because they need someone so young and pathetic looking that even the Man of Mass Murder and Destruction won't have the heart to snap the neck of.
This is a world were the Man of Steel is fine with murdering hundreds of thousands of people and then snapping the neck of his enemy. Being old, intimidating and powerful would cost Lex his life pretty quickly, I guess.
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Post by: MDI on February 01, 2014, 12:25:12 am
But I already saw what it was before it mysteriously died; Michael Cera as the Joker and Jonah Hill as Penguin. And you know what, that actually made me think: Eisenburg would be a phenomenal Riddler. Like hot damn, that would be some fantastic casting.
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Post by: Iced on February 05, 2014, 04:45:59 pm
Cera as a romero joker would be cool.
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Post by: Sky79 on February 05, 2014, 04:46:13 pm
But that kid can't grow a moustache. One can't be Romero Joker without a moustache.
Yes he can. He has one right now! (http://cdn03.cdn.thesuperficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/23/the-crap-we-missed-0123-26-435x580.jpg)
You two dare call that a moustache? :P
This is a moustache: (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Gn-5VRnW9H4/TzvwFw95VjI/AAAAAAAAA8Q/5JNGTo2Ad1M/s1600/romero.jpg)
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 05, 2014, 05:03:45 pm
... not really seeing much of a difference. About the same size and thickness. :-\
it's not like Cera's is a whiskery, not-really-there one. He has one. He can grow one. He just should shave it off because it makes him look like a pedophile.
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Post by: Bea on February 05, 2014, 05:34:43 pm
It is definitely not the same thickness. Cera's has quite visible bald areas. Check his left upper lip (artistic right) and you will see patches of hair, empty area, patches of hair, empty area and so on.
And yes, he looks horrible with that thing. :P Unlike Cesar Romero... :sweetheart:
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Post by: Mechy on February 05, 2014, 05:36:05 pm
Cera is just a really weird looking guy.
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Post by: Rote Zaungast on February 05, 2014, 06:18:00 pm
It is definitely not the same thickness. Cera's has quite visible bald areas. Check his left upper lip (artistic right) and you will see patches of hair, empty area, patches of hair, empty area and so on.
Yeah I dunno I'm not seeing it. I think you're just biased by your love of Romero, but I can't exactly blame you. :P
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Post by: QuickFist on February 05, 2014, 06:25:49 pm
I see it
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Post by: Bea on February 05, 2014, 06:40:28 pm
It is definitely not the same thickness. Cera's has quite visible bald areas. Check his left upper lip (artistic right) and you will see patches of hair, empty area, patches of hair, empty area and so on.
Yeah I dunno I'm not seeing it. I think you're just biased by your love of Romero, but I can't exactly blame you. :P
There is also my kitty (who is my current avatar), whose moustache is thicker and manlier than Cera's. And my kitty is a she. :P
So yeah, Cera's "moustache" looks pretty unconvincing for me.
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Post by: walt on February 05, 2014, 06:44:46 pm
Uhh... The Social Network? The movie that won him an Oscar nomination? Is that a bad performance now? C'mon, dude's great.
Thank you. He's an ABOVE DECENT actor. He should do fine ... if the writing is any good.
HA! good luck with that
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Post by: Rote Zaungast on February 05, 2014, 07:16:51 pm
I thought I was missing something other than social network, in which he didn't necessarily do bad, except I was hoping to get the name of a movie where he's not the same character
also you gave "fantastic" to ben whishaw how dare you
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Post by: walt on February 05, 2014, 07:31:12 pm
There's "Now you see me" in which he was likeable.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 05, 2014, 09:35:29 pm
Zuckerburg wasn't that similar to the type he usually plays, IMO. But who cares if he's not an out an out chameleon, not every actor is nor needs to be. I mean, character actors are a thing!
So yeah, Cera's "moustache" looks pretty unconvincing for me.
Man you guys need to stop being so mustache-racist. It's a fine mustache, not the best, and not at all suited to his face, but he can at least grow one.
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Post by: Bea on February 06, 2014, 05:29:47 pm
They are trying so, but so hard to make this a total failure and laughing stock that I consider that rumour a real possibility for Lex character.
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Post by: Mechy on February 06, 2014, 05:30:44 pm
Oh good grief.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 11, 2014, 08:56:49 pm
Alfred, The Penguin, Barbara not yet Gordon (Commissioner Gordon's wife, not Batgirl), and Sarah Essen have been cast. (http://www.avclub.com/article/gotham-casts-its-penguin-alfred-other-nonbatman-ro-107664) Interestingly, Sarah Essen will be Gordon's superior officer, not his partner, but I dunno if that will have any bearing on whether their Year One plotline might happen.
More controversial is The Penguin's casting; the guy they cast is a lanky guy whose Oswald Copplepot will apparently be a street punk, because that's what you think of when you think the Penguin. (I know, prequel, they'll show him work his way up or something, but street punk, really?)
that every time you say fantastic it better be whishaw tier [frowning emotecon]*spank*
Fine, fine. Eisenburg is merely great, happy?
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Post by: Roman55 on February 12, 2014, 12:26:19 am
Wait so first we have unprivileged Luthor and now lanky broke Penguin?
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 14, 2014, 10:40:25 am
The Batman/Superman script isn't done yet. (http://thedissolve.com/news/1722-the-script-for-batman-vs-superman-isnt-finished-ye/) Also, shooting is supposed to start in a few weeks.
I will note that Iron Man 1 also started shooting without a completed script, and I'm no doubt sure that all will agree that having gifted comedic improvisers like Ben Affleck and Big McLargeHuge (or Splint Chesthair, or whatever the name of dude who plays Superman, I don't remember), who are both on the level of Robert Downey Jr. when it comes to that kind of thing, and having such a gifted, visonary director like Zack Snyder, will be able to overcome this issue.
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Post by: Bea on March 14, 2014, 01:14:19 pm
....
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh gods, they are trying so hard to make the worst film possible.
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Post by: Iced on March 14, 2014, 04:11:21 pm
Alfred, The Penguin, Barbara not yet Gordon (Commissioner Gordon's wife, not Batgirl), and Sarah Essen have been cast. (http://www.avclub.com/article/gotham-casts-its-penguin-alfred-other-nonbatman-ro-107664) Interestingly, Sarah Essen will be Gordon's superior officer, not his partner, but I dunno if that will have any bearing on whether their Year One plotline might happen.
More controversial is The Penguin's casting; the guy they cast is a lanky guy whose Oswald Copplepot will apparently be a street punk, because that's what you think of when you think the Penguin. (I know, prequel, they'll show him work his way up or something, but street punk, really?)
part of his origin story will involve him at a buffet eating shrimp until he is large enough to face the bat.
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Post by: Sky79 on March 14, 2014, 09:01:57 pm
And the umbrella wont have a gun or sword built in, it'll be a pocket knife duck taped to the handle, because we need to be realistic here; it's not like they sell them in real life-
DC Cinematic Universe: 5 reasons why dc is already better than the MCU
no, no we're not doing this. Fuck you and fuck you for posting that horrible link. .\/.
HaHaHaHa, I needed that
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Post by: MDI on March 15, 2014, 12:39:34 am
This list is awful...
It might as well be a 10 year old listing his reasons why DC is better then Marvel. I LIKE DC CUZ IT HAS BATMAN AND SUPURMAN AND THEYRE BETER CUZ THEY R AWESOME.
No, seriously, that is one of the reasons listed.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 15, 2014, 12:41:43 am
I do love that hiring Zack Snyder, director of such mega-popular films like Dawn of the Dead and 300, is more of a risk than Marvel's hiring of the guy who directed Slither, the director of Shaun of the Dead and Scott Pilgrim, or even Kenneth Branagh.
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Post by: Mechy on March 15, 2014, 12:44:39 am
I was really gonna post the AM hate speech gif as a response for that, but I held out.
What a fucking moron though.
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Post by: Iced on March 15, 2014, 12:53:31 am
here is a writedown for everyone who isnt into slideshows
1-DC is darker and far more adult than Marvel. Marvel is too kid friendly.
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Marvel films have thus far been adventures that rarely ever toe the line of being adult material. All the movies are safe bets for parents looking for material to view with their young kids. There haven’t been terribly complicated emotional arcs and most of the dialogue seems pretty suited to movies for audiences 13 and under.
Marvel has proven they are virtually uninterested in their more adult and dark characters like Ghost Rider, The Punisher and Blade. Though they have teamed with Netflix to create series for characters like Daredevil, it remains to be seen whether these shows will be as simple and kid friendly as stuff like Agents Of Shield or not.
DC and Warner Brothers have proven already that they are interested in pushing the envelope and delving into more mature material with films like Man Of Steel and The CW’s Arrow. DC’s interest in allowing characters to blossom beyond simple cliche and running gags makes their filmverse better than Marvel’s because they have proven themselves as being more interested in the unique and creative visions of people like Zack Snyder, David Goyer and Christopher Nolan. In the meantime, Marvel is interested is pushing product. They want to create accessible and broad Disney branded features that prefer creativity and risk to play second fiddle.
2- You just dont know what DC is planning while with marvel you know too much!
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One of the most annoying elements to Marvel releases is hearing everyone involved talk about the next big superhero movie in the can. It’s never about enjoying the material that is out, it’s about figuring out how the material ties into the next thing…and the next thing. Marvel is open about their “Phases” and how they go together.
DC, on the other hand, has been more than quiet. They share virtually nothing which is refreshing and helps audiences to enjoy their films for what they are rather than what they are going to be. Despite the studio already having a plan for Batman and Superman to intermingle when Man of Steel was released, nothing was mentioned in the press junkets. There were just a couple of easter eggs in the movie hinting at Bruce Wayne and Lex Luther’s existence within the universe.
By keeping mum and not teasing people about what comes next, Man of Steel was a film that stood on its own two feet as a reintroduction of Superman in a more thoughtful way. DC seems to be continuing the quiet trend as they release little to nothing to do with Batman Vs. Superman. Rumors are everywhere about what the title would be or what characters will show up, but DC says nothing about that film or their upcoming films. Meanwhile, Marvel’s next Avengers film has been teased and teased and will probably be teased some more.
3-superman and batman are SUPERIOR
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This is an unfair one. Marvel simply can’t compete. There’s no match-up in their catalog that amounts to the awesomeness that is Batman Vs. Superman. DC owns the rights to arguably the two most well known superheroes and they have a wealth of material to draw from when it comes to these two characters acting as foes.
One is a mere man fighting for his own version of justice with little sympathy for people that get in his way. The other is practically a God fighting for truth and the American way. They are polar opposite characters and yet they are worthy opponents. These two colliding is like watching Greek Gods fight for their place on Mount Olympus.
Sure, Marvel has shown us Thor and Captain America fighting and it was pretty cool, but those characters don’t come with near the same baggage as the Dark Knight and the Man of Steel. It’s a team up/fight we will always remember when it comes to the big screen.
4-The Nolan movies!
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Even though Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy is not apart of the new DC filmverse and Batman has been re-imagined as Ben Affleck, there’s still no denying that Nolan and his superb sensibilities are godfather to this new DC filmverse being created as we speak. He was a producer on Man of Steel and helped guide that film towards being different and more mature in its themes.
David Goyer is becoming an integral part of making the DC filmverse as well and he is involved in practically everything DC and Warner Brothers are bringing to fruition. People may know him as the man that helped Nolan write the Dark Knight trilogy.
The Dark Knight trilogy created a Batman that felt different and familiar all at once. Nolan created a superhero mythology that existed within the realms of reality. He introduced film-making masterpieces like The Dark Knight that proved superhero movies could stand with the best of cinema.
With Snyder and Goyer and everyone else involved using Nolan’s take on the Dark Knight trilogy as inspiration for further films, the DC filmverse has a set a high goal Marvel is not striving for. DC is looking to present something different and unique and push the envelope and quality in the same way that Nolan did when he took on the impossible task of retooling Batman into the Dark Knight.
5- SNYDER is a bigger risk than anything marvel ever did
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Marvel doesn’t seem to take huge risks when it comes to directors (Jon Favreau and Joss Whedon excluded). DC, on the other hand, probably learned something from working with newcomer Nolan on the Dark Knight trilogy. They seem to have learned to hire risky and talented individuals that have interesting visions and strong voices whether all of their films have worked or not.
It paid off when they hired Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen) to adapt Superman in Man of Steel. They’re now putting more faith in the man as he creates one of the most anticipated movies in a very long time: Batman Vs. Superman. He’s been a risky choice from the beginning as his films don’t always stick with audiences (Sucker Punch), but he’s someone who always has voice and is known for fighting for creative freedom. Along for the ride is David Goyer who is dabbling in most everything that DC does these days. He’s another filmmaker with a shoddy past, but he’s managed to create vibrant scripts with stuff like the Dark Knight Trilogy or the first two Blade films.
These two cats have set a standard in the type of filmmaker DC is looking for. They want unique artists that are going to be different no matter what. It’s a huge gamble, but it’s nice to see someone taking gambles when it comes to superhero films rather than playing it safe and boring us.
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Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 16, 2014, 07:14:25 am
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3. Batman Vs. Superman Superman Batman
This is an unfair one. Marvel simply can’t compete. There’s no match-up in their catalog that amounts to the awesomeness that is Batman Vs. Superman.
OH NO, Marvel is powerless against Ben Affleck and that kid who created Facebook! What will Robert Downey Jr. do?!
And yes, I do realize that seeing is believing, but sadly we don't live in a world where an apparently terrible cast will have everyone give the movie the benefit of the doubt.
We do, however, live in a world where the guy that should've played Lex Luthor is now instead in the cast of a Godzilla remake of a remake of a fucking remake.
So there's that.
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Post by: MDI on March 16, 2014, 07:34:15 am
Clancy Brown should have just reprised his role as Lex from the animated series. Even if he doesn't look like a racially ambiguous guy in real life.
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Post by: Aldo on March 16, 2014, 07:40:55 am
let’s examine why right meow the DC filmverse is already better than Marvel’s.
*close tab*
Seriously, how people expect other people to read an article or whatever when they start it in just a silly way. lol.
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Post by: Joulz on March 16, 2014, 07:44:44 am
good fucking luck, DC/Warner Bros: the idea to have Batman & Superman in the same movie was most excellent...unfortunately, the focus on trying to eventually catch up with what Marvel have build in the last 10 years will make them fail very hard.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 04, 2014, 01:04:46 am
Holly Hunter and a few other actors have been cast in Batman/Superman Dark of the Knight or whatever the fuck they're calling it, as "characters never before seen in the DC Comics universe," (http://www.avclub.com/article/holly-hunter-joins-batman-superman-movie-presumabl-203032) because who the fuck wants to see comics characters in a Batman/Superman movie. DC and Warner Bros know what people want!
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Post by: QuickFist on April 04, 2014, 01:14:09 am
Oh jesus... Why? Why is this happening to the two greatest superheroes?
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Post by: Roman55 on April 04, 2014, 01:24:13 am
Dark Clusterfuck Of The Knight: Featuring Batman and Superman
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Post by: Nero D. on April 04, 2014, 04:40:11 am
as terrible as everything ive read on the last 2 pages is terrible as shit, remember that harley quinn was a "character you've never seen before" as in she made her debut in btas and she was awesome until they changed her outfit fuck fuck fuck
oh that list is awful and holds no water so i wouldn't even dwell on it
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2014, 02:23:13 am
Cyborg has been cast in Batman/Superman/various Justice Leaguers (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/batman-superman-cyborg-ray-fisher-1201163390/), confirming that, don't worry, DC isn't gonna do anything crazy like use John Stewart in a movie, the Green Lantern the general public is familiar with, no. Let's just stick someone who has only had ties to the Teen Titans for his entire history before 2 years ago into the Justice League, cause he's our second-most well known black hero. (don't even think about bringing up Static, because DC is probably unaware that he exists)
The important thing is that we force Hal Jordan down everyone's throats.
Also visionary director Zack Snyder recently gave an interview wherein he lambasted people for "clinging to the Christopher Reeve version of Superman" (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/zack-snyder-everyone-clings-to-the-christopher-reeve-version-of-superman-1201159883/), which wasn't even accurate to the comics, you guys!!! He went on to say that Superman in the comics totally kills people and causes immense collateral all the time, honest, and that all he was trying to do is show the realistic consequences of violence, which is exactly what people want to see in a movie about Superman.
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2014, 02:54:24 am
... I suddenly have this urge to cry.
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Post by: Mechy on April 25, 2014, 03:01:42 am
What a cunt.
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Post by: Roman55 on April 25, 2014, 03:18:37 am
Also visionary director Zack Snyder recently gave an interview wherein he lambasted people for "clinging to the Christopher Reeve version of Superman" (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/zack-snyder-everyone-clings-to-the-christopher-reeve-version-of-superman-1201159883/), which wasn't even accurate to the comics, you guys!!! He went on to say that Superman in the comics totally kills people and causes immense collateral all the time, honest, and that all he was trying to do is show the realistic consequences of violence, which is exactly what people want to see in a movie about Superman.
man of murder is best supes guyz, now watch as i give bats a gun
And to think, just earlier I was reading up about how the Star Trek movie reboot people were pretty much being royal pieces of shit over criticism.
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Post by: Sky79 on April 27, 2014, 04:01:59 am
If I remember correctly, they were shooting in a football stadium, were they not? This may simply be Victor "Pre-Cyborg". He was a football player remember?
What pisses me off? The morons who are defending this move based on race.
From YouTube -"Yah! now John Steward isn't the only black guy"
F***ing idiots :veryangry:
Title: Zack Snyder Confirmed to Direct The Justice League movie
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on April 28, 2014, 08:23:18 am
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Post by: Roman55 on April 28, 2014, 08:23:35 am
WB finally flat out says they've got a JLA movie coming. (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/04/27/warner-bros-details-plans-for-justice-league-movie-exclusive/) To be directed by Zach Snyder. Expect a huge body count, collateral damage and bullshit responses against negative critics.
Also they apparently aren't against a Wonder Woman spin off flick (waiting on a script), and they have plans for others like Shazam, Metal Men, and non Superhero stuff like Fables and 100 Bullets.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 28, 2014, 08:34:37 am
Ugh.
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Post by: Bea on April 28, 2014, 12:25:00 pm
This will make Super Friends look like an excellent and thrilling show.
Good job Snyder.
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Post by: SlySuavity on April 28, 2014, 01:15:45 pm
With Marvel's Cinematic Universe around, you can only fill a cup so much.
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Post by: Loona on April 28, 2014, 01:36:53 pm
The real surprise there is the mention of a Shazam movie, even if there was a past abandoned attempt.
Then again, the comics themselves have been treating the character pretty poorly, as if abandoning his actual name wasn't enough, so there's cause for concern there.
It might have a chance to do well if they pay attention to what the Return of Black Adam animation did right while making it longer and leaving out Supes as a promotional crutch.
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Post by: Edtion on April 28, 2014, 05:12:36 pm
I'm gonna watch whatever they make, I don't care how terrible people think they are. I'm even willing to re-watch Green Lantern; I definitely don't think it's a bad movie, it's not very good but it's entertaining enough for me to watch.
The most recent movie I can recall at least kind of wanting to watch but REALLY felt it was terrible, was The Spirit. I couldn't even make it half way through the film and I have no regrets about not making it any further than I already did.
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Post by: Person Man on April 29, 2014, 12:10:07 am
WB finally flat out says they've got a JLA movie coming. (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/04/27/warner-bros-details-plans-for-justice-league-movie-exclusive/) To be directed by Zach Snyder. Expect a huge body count, collateral damage and bullshit responses against negative critics.
It's totally mature and realistic to have Batman and Wonder Woman make out in the middle of the impact crater where Gotham City used to be after half of the Justice League are brutally murdered in slow motion action sequences. That's what audiences expect to see from superheroes. Shut up stoopid h8rs.
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Post by: Sky79 on April 29, 2014, 01:01:22 am
I'm gonna watch whatever they make, I don't care how terrible people think they are. I'm even willing to re-watch Green Lantern; I definitely don't think it's a bad movie, it's not very good but it's entertaining enough for me to watch.
*Dazzles you with his car keys*
There ya go, free of charge.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 29, 2014, 01:57:02 am
I can't even begin to fathom how a Sny-Goy Metal Men would even work. I'm thinking Mad Men as written by the Walking Dead's team.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 29, 2014, 04:54:46 am
It's totally mature and realistic to have Batman and Wonder Woman make out in the middle of the impact crater where Gotham City used to be after half of the Justice League are brutally murdered in slow motion action sequences. That's what audiences expect to see from superheroes. Shut up stoopid h8rs.
What the hell are you talking about?
Wonder Woman and Batman? No no no no. It's Superman and Wonder Woman, duh. They're the perfect couple, because they both have superpowers, and uh, that's pretty much all. Who would even pair Wonder Woman with Batman? Idiots, that's who. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncj-wpBhr5E)
I can't even begin to fathom how a Sny-Goy Metal Men would even work. I'm thinking Mad Men as written by the Walking Dead's team.
Maybe they'll reuse that post-Crisis origin where the Metal Men are all actually humans whose minds have been transfered into robots to save their lives, because when you think Metal Men, you think "depressing tragedy", right?
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Post by: DIABLO'S PRIMAL BARBEQUE on April 29, 2014, 09:24:34 am
I'm going to be content with JL and whoever they replace anyone with as long as they get someone who can write fucking dialogue.
Man of Steel's action scenes were good, but by the House of El, that fucking dialogue...
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Post by: Bea on April 29, 2014, 10:39:54 am
The fact that the article is headlined by an illustration of douche Shazam is not helping.
On the other hand, out of 9 movies at least something has to be decent - hopefully they'dd take a hint or 2 from what the animated versions did right (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIuK_r0kcQg).
A Metal Men movie seems like an odd bet though... I wonder if they'll end that one with that merged version of the team that shows up in Kingdom Come - Alloy, was it?...
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 04, 2014, 11:32:28 pm
Actually, nu52 Shazam (at least the origin, I actively avoid Justice League) is one of the only things I think would lend itself well to a movie. I have no doubt Sny-Goy will find a way to screw it up, though.
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Post by: Jarek Bachanek on May 05, 2014, 02:45:00 am
I have no doubt Sny-Goy will find a way to screw it up, though.
You know David S. Goyer isn't bad writer. I'm watching his show on STARZ called "Da Vinci's Demons" which is resolve around fictional version of young Leonardo Da Vinci and while Season 1 was "just" good, Season 2 is more than awesome. It really feels like long movie divided in parts, have movie-like budget and everything. Story wise is really great mix-up of history and fantasy genre and it shows that he can write good shit.
As for Snyder he had his ups and downs so if anything goes bad in this so called DC Movieverse it will be rather his fault than Goyers though he had bad stuff in his filmography too.
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Post by: QuickFist on May 05, 2014, 03:19:38 am
Snyder: 300, Watchmen, Sucker Punch. Up and downs eh?
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Post by: Mechy on May 05, 2014, 03:23:25 am
He has never had anything really "great" imo.
They way he fucked up MOS and they way he responded to the criticism makes it pretty clear he has no idea what he is doing with DC properties.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 05, 2014, 03:29:26 am
*DC* has no idea what its doing with its own properties. :( I think the problem with Goyer is that his ambition heavily, heavily outweighs his talent. He wants to be a deep writer who can weave interesting metaphors into a complex plot but far too often creates a jumbled mess with incredibly shallow characters whose actions seem completely random and a plot that is nonsensical.
If he had stuck to doing things like the Blade movies (or worked with stronger directors like Nolan more often, but even then his weaknesses are still readily apparent) he'd have a much better reputation, because they catered to his strength of coming up with incredibly elaborate curses ("cock juggling thundercunt", "You're about one cunt hair away from hillbilly heaven", etc.) and didn't pretense about being an elaborate statement about the nature of heroism in the post-9/11 world, or what have you.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 05, 2014, 04:06:29 am
I believe this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9XZrVtk2g8) hits the nail on the head
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Post by: Loona on May 05, 2014, 10:22:43 pm
Actually, nu52 Shazam (at least the origin, I actively avoid Justice League) is one of the only things I think would lend itself well to a movie. I have no doubt Sny-Goy will find a way to screw it up, though.
I mostly saw the origin - the fact that one of the very first things the characters does is charge money for a good deed just completely misses the point... he's supposed to have earned the powers due to being better than that and than a whole lot of people young and old - and was thus supposed to get a body whose strenght would match his spirit.
Going live action should at least force the script to spend a substantial amount of time on civilian depowered mode, where young Batson can shine, if they don't get some lil' superstar-wannabe prick to wreck that...
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 13, 2014, 01:42:55 am
Introducing: the new Batmobile's ass! (http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5129/46/16x9/640.jpg) totally thought they'd just do a Tumbler but more biggerer-er, because The Dark Knight Returns. But hey, this is cool looking so far.
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Post by: GOH on May 13, 2014, 01:44:52 am
Leave it to Jmorphman to post pictures of asses
Or ass pictures
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 13, 2014, 01:49:49 am
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/6AVKYye.png[/avatar]I have no idea what you mean.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 13, 2014, 02:24:59 am
Could be the Court of Owls Batmobile. Minus the hood of course because that would be too silly for this universe.
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Post by: Thedge on May 13, 2014, 02:47:24 am
From that angle it looks like a Burton/Nolan batmovile mix, that could lead into a cool design actually.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 13, 2014, 03:03:53 am
Yeah Yeah..........Show me a frigging Batjet already.
Edit: You want practicality? Fine, but damnit get it right. Functionality + Dramatic flare = A pointy 2 man stealth jet that looks like something out of hell.
Actually, nu52 Shazam (at least the origin, I actively avoid Justice League) is one of the only things I think would lend itself well to a movie. I have no doubt Sny-Goy will find a way to screw it up, though.
Oh god no. Shazam is just about the worst character they ever rebooted.
Hey let's turn the very hero that is best known for being more good-hearted than Superman and turn him into the very kind of jerkass teenager everybody hates because REALISM!
His comic book covers even make him look like an evil menacing villain.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 13, 2014, 06:14:32 pm
I didn't say the reboot was true to the character! I just said it would lend itself well to a movie! There's a character arc, the hero is tested, he comes out on the other side different and learns the meaning of family. Future villains are set up in a way that doesn't distract from the main plot noticeably. Seriously, read it in full if you haven't!
Let me stress also, I don't know what they've done with him outside the origin because I refuse to read Justice League (I read the origin backups in a fan-collected edition). If they've squandered the character he was becoming at the end of the origin story, that's a shame. I maintain that it would make a great movie in capable hands!
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Post by: Bea on May 13, 2014, 06:45:38 pm
Reminds me of that a big and bulk batman design from the Dark Night Returns Comic
Yeah, most definitely, especially with those short ears. But is the whole costume all black? That seems pretty dumb, hopefully it's just the lighting that makes it look that way? I don't know why they keep making the bat-symbol impossible to see, this is exactly what the yellow oval was for. >:[
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Post by: Bea on May 14, 2014, 12:36:01 am
Makes me hope even more to see Affleck kick Superman's butt (I still can't believe I am hoping for this, but oh well...).
Stop hoping, don't let yourself get excited again, remember last time! D:
I know! It is because of what happened last time that I am hoping for Affleck to kick that menace in blue overalls with a red cape butt! D: But I won't be seeing this mess on the theatres. Nor will I buy the DVD/bluray of this thing.
I just want Affleck to kick that poor excuse of a not Superman butt. >:(
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Post by: SlySuavity on May 14, 2014, 12:37:05 am
Speaking of butts, Batman's got quite the butt-chin going on.
God, I don't think I'll unsee it.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 14, 2014, 12:54:53 am
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 14, 2014, 12:57:20 am
I'm not looking forward to this movie at all, but the costume seems fine. :-\
I mean, it's nice to finally move away from overcomplicated plastic armor suits and go with something more traditional, at least.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 14, 2014, 01:39:09 am
batman and robin is still by far the worst designed movie by far
this suit is light years ahead of that one, and his frank miller inspired headpiece and symbol are dope, even tho this movie will has all the makings of a forced fart
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Post by: Sky79 on May 14, 2014, 04:49:51 am
Batman & Robin was also 17 years ago Nero.
This is worse, not because of the way it looks, but because they know better. But-
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Budget: $140 million Box office: $238,207,122
Ultimately, with numbers like that, they don't give two $#!%s about what fans think, thats what upsets me.......Nothing has changed.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 14, 2014, 05:10:54 am
batman returns and batman were 22 and 25 years ago respectively
they had better designs than batman and robin, so age nor budget are relevant, its design choice
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 14, 2014, 05:22:15 am
What exactly is wrong with the new Batsuit? It what areas could it be made better?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 14, 2014, 05:24:06 am
I'm trying to figure out that myself. It looks fine! It doesn't even appear to be made out of basketballs like the Superman suit.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 14, 2014, 05:28:20 am
I do think it needs much more deliniation between the grey of the suit and the black of the cowl, but I'm hoping that's just the lighting in the picture that makes them blend together so much.
It seems like he might have some New 52-esque seam lines, but hopefully that doesn't mean that he also has those stupid bat-shaped kneepads.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 14, 2014, 05:38:00 am
I'm just assuming it's the picture. There has to be some kind of noticeable contrast between the grey and the black on the suit if the bat symbol and the gloves aren't going to be armored up like the Nolan version.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 14, 2014, 07:30:48 am
here's a very well done colored edit by an artist named toyotter
(https://i.imgur.com/iepmLqX.jpg)
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Post by: SlySuavity on May 14, 2014, 09:55:41 am
And then suddenly there's this. :3 (https://twitter.com/Syncos2/status/466277163012878336/photo/1)
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 14, 2014, 10:13:46 am
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Post by: Sky79 on May 15, 2014, 01:26:25 am
What exactly is wrong with the new Batsuit? It what areas could it be made better?
OK, I know I'm in the minority on this (when am I not?) It's not the batsuit, it's the whole package. As for the suit, it's silly, are we to believe he's really that buffed? No, it's padded more then my aunt's couch. Why the hell was it black and white? Are they trying to be dramatic? Like the photo was secretly taken in the 50's? Oh please. The major reaction I'm reading online (no not just here) is that the suit is "OK", Thats the best they can do? Really? How the hell is this suppose to be stealth, bullet proof, ninja inspired or remotely scary? He's suppose to scare criminals too, remember? Knowing what it's function is, do you really think this is what it would look like? of course not, This looks stupid.
What this photo tells me is what I've feared. We're not getting an original story here, just a bastardized/Rehash of the DKR story, the suit confirms that.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 15, 2014, 06:41:32 am
And in other news
I like the costume, dont see why fanboys are bitching that they want the skintight comics costume, that would just be stupid in Arrow-verse.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 15, 2014, 07:07:39 am
Yo genius, no one said they wanted to see a skintight costume.
As you post a promo of Flash in a skintight costume, defending a batsuit that implies it's skintight.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 15, 2014, 07:17:18 am
actually they did, a lot, everybody has been talking/bitching about flash's costume (on fb and everywhere else not here) from the shade of red used, to the fucking fabric holy shit, and of course the tightness
if anything they couldve did something with the jay garrick fit (minus that particular hat, for aesthetic purposes) to fit with the modern setting of the arrowverse; long sleeve red shirt, blue jeans, some concealing type of headwear, it couldve worked, maybe
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Post by: Sky79 on May 15, 2014, 07:26:10 am
I was talking about the batsuit Nero, not Flash. But, Hmmmm *looks closer* Chest piece is a bit 'rubbery', can't really see much detail from this.
It's 'meh', I'll take it though. The FX sucks, but thats what you get with the WB/CW. Remember this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ih_ez22Vk)
:laugh3: (http://therealmcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cw-flash-costume-image_05.jpg) Is that glitter on the lightning bolt? LOL (http://therealmcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cw-flash-costume-image_03.jpg) (http://notesfromthepeanutgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/malcolm.gif)
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 15, 2014, 08:36:50 am
The Flash costume is, I dunno, weird looking. It doesn't seem like it totally fits into Arrow's aesthetic and at the same time looks too drab and "realistic" to be a fun, comic booky outfit. And then there's the puzzling choices that made that would have no effect on the whole "make it fit into the Arrowverse" part, like making the inside of the Flash logo bright red, or the lighting bolt trim that looks so tacky, the lines on the headpiece. I'm just not feeling it.
Why the hell was it black and white? Are they trying to be dramatic?
Pretty much. It's a perfect distillation of Zack Snyder: a director perfectly suited to low brow, mindless spectacle trying to make his art smarter than he's actually capable of doing. A director who should've stuck to making more stuff like his Dawn of the Dead remake than his faithful but ultimately soulless Watchmen (still , not a terrible movie, just... I dunno) or the wretched Man of Steel.
Thats the best they can do? Really? How the hell is this suppose to be stealth, bullet proof, ninja inspired or remotely scary? He's suppose to scare criminals too, remember? Knowing what it's function is, do you really think this is what it would look like? of course not, This looks stupid.
I mean, it just looks mostly like a live action version of the DKR look. It's not my favorite version of the costume (always hated those tiny ears, and the oval is so much better than the non-oval'd batsymbol, and the capsule is great pouches are boring), but it doesn't really have any giant glaring issues, like, say, the MoS Superman outfit does. :-\
What this photo tells me is what I've feared. We're not getting an original story here, just a bastardized/Rehash of the DKR story, the suit confirms that.
Just another piece of evidence in a long list of them, really. TDKR is the archetypical Batman vs. Superman fight, and nearly every fight after has tried, desperately and terribly, to recapture it with none of the nuance, missing the entire point of it all. So it's not really surprising that from the first reveal of the movie's existence they quoted a line from that fight, and kept talking about how they're gonna be influenced by TDKR, and so on.
I'm just so goddamn sick of Batman beating up Superman because he's the coolest and Superman is just so unrealistic and hard to relate to man, prep time. It's so boring. Why can't Batman and Superman be friends again? :(
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Post by: Titiln on May 15, 2014, 08:40:42 am
I'm just so goddamn sick of Batman beating up Superman because he's the coolest and Superman is just so unrealistic and hard to relate to man, prep time. It's so boring. Why can't Batman and Superman be friends again? :(
You and me both, brother. :( I miss the days when Supes and Bats were the best super friends out there instead of always being at each others throat. But that abomination of MOS "Superman" deserves no one to be friends of his.
Regarding that Bat suit, I hope they throw some blue cape and gloves there because that would remind me greatly of a bigger, better Batman.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 15, 2014, 05:27:34 pm
there's also the fact that batman can't beat superman, and krypton it'd is his only advantage...but laser eyes
also, the internet is the reason you hate batman, they gassed him up so much that he's intolerable because of his memetic badassery; same applies to deadpool, who only became recently popular
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 15, 2014, 10:03:05 pm
Yo genius, no one said they wanted to see a skintight costume.
As you post a promo of Flash in a skintight costume, defending a batsuit that implies it's skintight.
Yo genius. Was talking about the flash vid... speaking of which... extended trailer
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Post by: Thedge on May 15, 2014, 10:47:21 pm
That looks cool. Damn, now I want ot watch Arrow.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 15, 2014, 10:48:42 pm
Why are you not watching Arrow, it's probably one of the best shows on tv
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Post by: Byakko on May 15, 2014, 10:55:06 pm
Eeeehh... ? The whole "I'm not a hero" "just a guy struck by lightning" old school teenage angst shit makes me take a step back. Thankfully it seems to be only the first few episodes at most, so I hope it'll get past that quickly (the teaser from the Arrow finale was much better). It's getting trigger-happy fast with "meta-humans" "big boom gave random powers to many people, here's some science words to back it up" too, which also sounds quite shitty. "He was hit by lightning !" "how is he still alive ?" lady how the fuck did you become a medic, it's rare but not unheard of.
Arrow is great, don't fuck this up.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 15, 2014, 10:57:09 pm
I also like the cool nod to the elseworlds costume with that breather mask
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 15, 2014, 11:48:44 pm
I cannot express my hate for this idiotic Geoff Johns "oh no my mom was murdered" backstory for Barry. It's just so dumb and pointless and oh my god they're doing the Johnsian "I'm not fast enough" shit for pre-powered Barry.
Also Green Arrow telling him that the lightning bolt chose him is so goddamn stupid/hilarious. It's a bolt of lightning, dude!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
yes yes I know it turns out that lightning bolt was Barry from the future as he was dying in Crisis yadda yadda yadda, it still sounds ridiculous
also, the internet is the reason you hate batman, they gassed him up so much that he's intolerable because of his memetic badassery; same applies to deadpool, who only became recently popular
Yep, it's why I threw in the "prep time" in that rant, but bad writers deserve a lot of the blame there too. They just transplanted TDKR Batman's personality into present-day Batman, so he's a huge douchebag to everyone while missing the point entirely that TDKR is like that because he's old and bitter and stuff.
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Post by: Bea on May 16, 2014, 12:44:21 am
That trailer for the man who can't get a date is cool. I like it. It is miles better than what DC is putting on the silver screen.
And Batman can "definitely defeat" Superman. He just need Superman to be hit by a nuclear warhead, to be stuck with a kryptonite arrow and to be pulling his punches to not hurt his old pal Batman. See? "Too easy". ;P
I understand the importance of TDKR, but I can't say I am a fan of the story.
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Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 12:47:59 am
..you guys realize that the ending of the movie is superman about to break batman neck and then stopping and starting to cry, as batman stands over him and tells him he plotted this to see how far superman was going to go, and that now he trusts him to be really human.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 16, 2014, 12:50:57 am
And Batman can "definitely defeat" Superman. He just need Superman to be hit by a nuclear warhead, to be stuck with a kryptonite arrow and to be pulling his punches to not hurt his old pal Batman. See? "Too easy". ;P
Even Miller himself seemed to miss that point when he wrote The Dark Knight Strikes Again, and had Batman easily crush Superman.
I understand the importance of TDKR, but I can't say I am a fan of the story.
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan either. I think it's really well written and stuff, but it just sorta leaves me cold for some reason.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 01:12:37 am
What people miss in TDKR, is that he wasn't trying to 'beat' Superman, he put on a show for the cameras via sups public image, to escape the public eye, till the anesthetic he injected himself with made him 'seemingly' die of heart failure. The morrons wanted a Michael Bay throwdown of 'good and evil', he gave it to them.
He did worse then 'beat' Superman........he used him ;) edit:
..you guys realize that the ending of the movie is superman about to break batman neck and then stopping and starting to cry, as batman stands over him and tells him he plotted this to see how far superman was going to go, and that now he trusts him to be really human.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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Post by: Bastard Mami on May 16, 2014, 01:16:28 am
..you guys realize that the ending of the movie is superman about to break batman neck and then stopping and starting to cry, as batman stands over him and tells him he plotted this to see how far superman was going to go, and that now he trusts him to be really human.
and then they will make up as it will be secretly a gay propaganda movie.
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Post by: Byakko on May 16, 2014, 01:51:05 am
Regarding the backstory they chose for Flash : Remember that Arrow started out with Oliver stranded on an island for 5 years and coming back slaughtering a bunch of businessmen just because they had their name on a list given by his dad (just before the dad shot himself). I'm not really worried about the direction they'll eventually pick for the story. Plus, we already knew from the Arrow cameo of Barry that he was looking for his mother's murderer, so meh, we already knew they were going with that as soon as the character was introduced. Plus, the lesson they learned when doing a 180° in the middle of Arrow's season 1 doesn't make me too worried, the story was weird businessmen and modern and gritty and then it just completely changed. At this point, the dead mom just feels like the incentive, only there to start up the show (it's TV after all, like Oliver's dad, the character has to have something to make him start) and Zoom will only come up at the very end and it will be glorious John Barrowman. What worries me is that they're going too far in that 180°, with all the free superpowers. Maybe they simply decided to go all out in the supernatural with the Rogues after introducing the Miracle drug in Arrow, but they could have kept just a little bit of the realism from Arrow. The tornado thing late in the trailer is classic Flash, and Weather Wizard and Captain Cold are obvious, but the level of emphasize they put on it, the "there are other people who gained powers !" line, it felt like there will be a bunch of supervillains all the time. Like Smallville. I'm also conflicted about the massive teen angst tone of the trailer (muh mommy + muh normal guy life), knowing that the teaser at the end of Arrow showed the opposite (comedy tone, Barry super excited about his own feats and Oliver calling him a show-off).
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Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 02:06:46 am
Bringing in Prof Zoom is risky at best. You think this suit looks bad? Paint it yellow, see what happens.
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Post by: Byakko on May 16, 2014, 02:09:58 am
But we already know he'll be there, and in full yellow glory. We saw him. (also personally I think the suit is acceptable)
(eh, at least, with Flash's character, it shouldn't turn into Raimi!Spiderman 3 weird emo despite the points that worry me, now it just needs to not turn into Smallville superpower bargain sale of the week, hopefully sticking to what they learned with Arrow's story might prevent that)
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Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 02:13:27 am
You kidding? We started out in smallville, we're moving toward Schumacherizem at this point.
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Post by: Mechy on May 16, 2014, 02:22:58 am
It looks pretty fun. Corny as hell, but when we live in times where superman gives a diddly squat about human life and Peter Parker is a douchebag teen vogue model, corny fun sci-fi hero might be just what we need.
I still need to watch arrow.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 02:56:08 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Ko4MvkGqw
¬_¬
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 16, 2014, 04:32:06 am
Sounds like he's talking only about the cinematic incarnations, and it's probably better he not really take much from those, because... jeez. Who wants another fucking landgrab scheme? Hackman and Spacey are amazing actors but they were incredibly ill-served by those movies.
But actually maybe checking out the comics would be good, and it doesn't sound like he's gonna do that either. >.>
Regarding the backstory they chose for Flash : Remember that Arrow started out with Oliver stranded on an island for 5 years and coming back slaughtering a bunch of businessmen just because they had their name on a list given by his dad (just before the dad shot himself). I'm not really worried about the direction they'll eventually pick for the story. Plus, we already knew from the Arrow cameo of Barry that he was looking for his mother's murderer, so meh, we already knew they were going with that as soon as the character was introduced.
I don't think it's a hurdle that can't be overcome, but it just strikes me as completely unnecessary to Barry's backstory, and was one of many things that really irked me when Johns brought Barry back. Not every character needs a tragic backstory but Johns just barreled through and jammed it in there.
Corny as hell, but when we live in times where superman gives a diddly squat about human life and Peter Parker is a douchebag teen vogue model, corny fun sci-fi hero might be just what we need.
Yeah, comic book movies need to embrace the camp and craziness of the actual comics more often. At least the MCU ones try and do that.
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Post by: Mechy on May 16, 2014, 10:34:32 am
Even the MCU tries to go more with a middle ground, but they just know how to fall back to the campiness when needed.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 17, 2014, 07:38:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5-UE7ceZU
So, the stutter is real? Hmmm.
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Post by: Edtion on May 18, 2014, 09:52:37 am
The ONLY reference I can find for ANY of that to DC or even comics and possibly comic related things is he's suppose to be Lex Luthor for an untitled sequel to Man of Steel and he was in Zombieland.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 18, 2014, 11:37:00 pm
Never seen a single movie he's in, I know nothing about him other then, "He's playing Lex?!?* Rages*. It's nice to get some backstory on the guy.
Others likely feel the same.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 18, 2014, 11:51:03 pm
He does talk about Lex Luthor about 12 minutes into it (which would've been nice information to include by the way).
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Post by: SNT on May 19, 2014, 01:20:01 am
I always saw him as a more serious version of Michael Cera thanks to Zombieland, then he played this boyish douchebag in Now You See Me. He needs to man up a bit if he expects to be taken seriously as Lex Luthor.
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Post by: Iced on May 21, 2014, 12:38:47 pm
Kevin smith claims the suit is blue and grey.
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Post by: Byakko on May 21, 2014, 01:45:00 pm
Gray and blue, gray and blue The man from Gotham Wore the gray and blue
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 21, 2014, 07:15:16 pm
I always saw him as a more serious version of Michael Cera thanks to Zombieland, then he played this boyish douchebag in Now You See Me. He needs to man up a bit if he expects to be taken seriously as Lex Luthor.
Eh, even if he played Luthor exactly like his Zuckerberg it could work (not that he would, cause that wouldn't even be trying). Still think he's too young, though.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 21, 2014, 09:20:28 pm
Alright everbody shut up, the title for Man of Steel 2 just got announced, and it is... it sure is something
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE (http://thedissolve.com/news/2299-batman-vs-superman-dawn-of-justice/)
yeah that's right, Dawn of Justice, Batman *V* Superman, not vs., not versus, not even Batman v. Superman like a court case, just an uppercase V for some reason. And also Superman gets second billing in his own sequel.
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Post by: Mgbenz on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 pm
Lol v. is only ever used in court cases. What a bunch of tards.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 21, 2014, 09:33:06 pm
It's so unbelievably pretentious and it's not even a lower case "v." with a period at the end, just a single "V", and god, Dawn of Justice is so fucking corny, I can't keep a straight face. XD
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Post by: Thedge on May 21, 2014, 09:42:56 pm
The fact that it is the best name they could come up with is amazingly sad.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 21, 2014, 09:56:56 pm
Geez, are we sure that's not the name of the video game tie-in?
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Post by: GOH on May 21, 2014, 10:50:31 pm
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Another Shitty Day in the Life of DC Fans Everywhere
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Post by: Bea on May 22, 2014, 02:44:53 am
Eh... I can't say I am surprised that the title is so bland and that Superman gets second billing on his own sequel. It is DC we are talking about. They hate their fans, their IP and making money.
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Post by: Roman55 on May 22, 2014, 02:48:16 am
Batman v SupermanBatman v A bunch of DC superheroes thrown in so we can do a vain attempt at a movie verse oh and Supes is in this too somewhere even though this is supposed to be a sequel to his movie: Clusterfuck of Justice
Directed by a guy who was real excited to slap a body count on a movie about a man flying around in tights.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 22, 2014, 02:53:49 am
Written by a guy who thinks that believing Martian Manhunter should come from Mars means you're a nerd that needs to get laid.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 22, 2014, 02:56:12 am
It kills me so much that the two people in charge of DC movies for the foreseeable future are Snyder and Goyer, of all people.
Not that there aren't vast, vast underlying issues at play here, first and foremost DC's long held inferiority complex towards Marvel and the way they seem ashamed to be making superhero comic books at all.
Meanwhile, at Marvel, a movie about a gun-toting space raccoon and a talking tree teaming up with Chris Pratt's abs is coming out in a few months.
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Post by: Person Man on May 22, 2014, 03:21:53 am
Every time! Every damn time I think they can't possibly make this movie sound any worse, they manage to do it. They are thwarting my expectations at every turn with new and innovate horribleness. I love it. :laugh3:
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Post by: Sky79 on May 22, 2014, 03:41:13 am
^ This and a bottle of Jack to wash away the pain.
Meanwhile, at Marvel, a movie about a gun-toting space raccoon and a talking tree teaming up with Chris Pratt's abs is coming out in a few months.
Which will also star a meat-headed wrestler that can't even act worth a damn, and it still looks better then this.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 22, 2014, 03:44:57 am
batman 5 superman eh
that doesn't make sense, are there 5 supermen, 5 batsmen or 5 ah fuck it
they're trying to hard to tie some kind of verse together too fast, it's uncomfortably pathetic; it's like dc accidentaly saw marvel's dick that one time they went skinny dipping and found out marvel was packing, or some shit
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 22, 2014, 03:45:54 am
Batman VVVVVV Superman: Before Midnight of Justice
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Post by: Foobs on May 22, 2014, 03:46:38 am
That's some remarkably consistent design work, the logo is every bit as bad as the title.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 22, 2014, 03:53:45 am
they're trying to hard to tie some kind of verse together too fast, it's uncomfortably pathetic; it's like dc accidentaly saw marvel's dick that one time they went skinny dipping and found out marvel was packing, or some shit
The problem has always been that Warner wants to build up to Justice League just like Marvel did to Avengers without realizing that the only reason Marvel did that IS BECAUSE NO ONE KNEW WHO THE FUCK THE AVENGERS WERE.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 22, 2014, 04:01:16 am
i know; cap, iron man falcon, hawkeye, black widow and thor were literally b team heroes in the eyes of the mainstream before their respective movies came out, i have friends that can vouch for that because their ignorance annoyed me and their convenient knowledge of the heroes upon the announcement of the films (merch and shit) annoyed me even more
can't wait to see how many people "know" who ant man is when it's publicly announced
back on topic, yea, but the verse thing is making marvel a lot of money and fans, that's all
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Post by: SlySuavity on May 22, 2014, 04:05:18 am
They could have at least fixed the damn Bat symbol. >:(
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 22, 2014, 04:17:28 am
The Bat symbol is pretty much just the TDKR one, though (which I've never been a fan of, because the oval is the best, why does DC hate the oval so much :()
The problem has always been that Warner wants to build up to Justice League just like Marvel did to Avengers without realizing that the only reason Marvel did that IS BECAUSE NO ONE KNEW WHO THE FUCK THE AVENGERS WERE.
They should be relying on the fact that everyone knows who Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are, and start the first movie off with that, a Trinity movie. Maybe have Wondy's origin in that one because no one really knows what her deal is? Or they could just do quick montages of each hero, because boy I am sick to death of slow, rebooted origin stories. And then they could do one or two solo movies with Flash and whoever else would be in JL.
But instead ](to paraphrase Chris Sims) (https://twitter.com/theisb/) they're doing a movie about the last few pages of TDKR, featuring an old Batman (who we've never seen before) returning from retirement, forced to fight against his best friend (who he has not met before), featuring a bunch of other DC heroes in a desperate attempt to catch up to Marvel while avoiding all of the work.
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Post by: Bea on May 22, 2014, 12:32:19 pm
After what Goyer has said about Martian Manhunter and She Hulk, I am hoping for a major fan uproar that will cause him to be fired from that position. :| It is the only way we can hope to see the heroes we love get at least a decent writer for their films.
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Post by: Person Man on May 22, 2014, 01:48:23 pm
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Post by: Nero D. on May 22, 2014, 02:59:59 pm
spoiler alert: batman wins becausetheinternet
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Post by: GOH on May 22, 2014, 03:03:39 pm
Whoever wins
We lose
#avp #batvsup #wonderwho
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Post by: Nero D. on May 22, 2014, 03:20:58 pm
ladies and gentlemen, your tag line for this masterpiece
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Post by: Bea on May 22, 2014, 03:25:11 pm
I can't help but wonder how much of Gotham and Metropolis will be left standing after this film...
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Post by: SlySuavity on May 22, 2014, 07:22:57 pm
Considering Metropolis was left in shambles with millions dead from our beloved MoS, I imagine Gotham's the only worthwhile candidate for wholesale destruction. I'm sure Snyder's Batman won't mind.
If you could call him that. :(
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Post by: Iced on May 22, 2014, 09:32:19 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/A80ic2e.jpg)
lol
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Post by: SlySuavity on May 23, 2014, 12:11:11 am
That looks surprisingly worse. Staaaahp. ;~;
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 23, 2014, 12:15:23 am
What looks worse, the original logo, or the one on the bottom? The one on the bottom is an extrapolation of what the original looked like before they applied a bunch of filters to it because bright colors are dumb and unrealistic.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 23, 2014, 01:51:34 am
After what Goyer has said about Martian Manhunter and She Hulk, I am hoping for a major fan uproar that will cause him to be fired from that position. :|
He has a checkered past when it comes to writing, hit or miss at best, but the 90's cartoon overdid her sexuality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4mtLebZwXs) (6:30) .....a lot.
Don't get me me wrong, Goyer's an ungrateful bastard for saying that. But, if that was the first I'd ever heard of SheHulk, I'd think the same thing.
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Post by: Byakko on May 23, 2014, 02:12:09 am
Since when do we take cartoons into account for an accurate portrayal of any character ?
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Post by: Iced on May 23, 2014, 02:27:05 am
this cartoon would be a better representation of her character portrayal, but seriously a character with as many book runs as she hulk isnt defined by what goyer says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1nAuJm9a7o
even on her first appearance she wasnt designed as just a big sex thing. Goyer is dumb. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2014/05/21/she-hulk-co-creator-stan-lee-weighs-in-on-david-goyer-debate-only-a-nut-would-even-think-of-that/
I would be more worried that the guy DC wants behind JLA thinks that people that know who Martian Manhunter is are loser virgins, tho. This is the guy they choose to represent their heros.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 23, 2014, 02:33:51 am
Since when do we take cartoons into account for an accurate portrayal of any character ?
I'd take the DCAU Batman and Superman over anything written by Goyer! :P
... and over a great deal of actual Batman and Superman comics, even.
This, so much this. And I still think Goyer needs to be kicked out of his job after what he said on that podcast. His comments about She Hulk and Martian Manhunter show that he has no place writing anything about super heroes.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 23, 2014, 04:17:57 am
Agreed
Think about this, if you walk into a job interview, openly disrespect the company, the product and the customers who buy it, would you get the job? Hell no.
This speaks more of DC's management style then anything else. It'll make money in the short term, but later it'll run the company into the ground.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 24, 2014, 02:16:32 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk5I5oxne3A
I hope he's right about this.
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Post by: Iced on May 26, 2014, 09:28:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/aplEimX.jpg)
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Post by: QuickFist on May 26, 2014, 10:02:30 pm
v Flash is my favourite Need for Speed lol
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 26, 2014, 11:21:16 pm
A passable idea, but those superhero logos need more work. Wonder Woman's logo isn't two W's it's obviously some weird looking Amazonian symbol for 'warrior'. And why would the Atlantian symbol for 'king' look like an A. Let's not even get into how screwed up the Oan symbol for 'will' and Ancient Egyptian symbol for 'lightning' are.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on May 27, 2014, 12:12:03 am
can't wait for batman vs jackman.
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Post by: Nero D. on May 27, 2014, 02:41:22 am
electric boogaloo obviously the best
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Post by: Sky79 on May 27, 2014, 03:48:47 am
Gentlemen, it's time for a little Cave Talk. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZKBk9Oioc)
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Post by: Edtion on May 27, 2014, 01:47:46 pm
Gentlemen, it's time for a little Cave Talk. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZKBk9Oioc)
(http://edtion.elementfx.com/XD)
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Post by: Iced on May 27, 2014, 01:50:23 pm
fff, am i the only one bothered that casuals keep mixing up telepathy with telekinesis?
earlier this week there was a sketch about xavier using his mind powers to be able to move everything about except him and now nightwing is saying Aquaman has telekinesis
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 27, 2014, 07:17:21 pm
I kinda doubt the people who did this were casuals.
Because only dumb nerds think Batman can defeat everyone because preptime. >:[
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Post by: Sky79 on May 27, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
earlier this week there was a sketch about xavier using his mind powers to be able to move everything about except him and now nightwing is saying Aquaman has telekinesis
Reminds me of that line from one of the movies- Xavier: "I'm a psychic you know"-- NO YOU'RE NOT!
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 27, 2014, 11:31:28 pm
... yes he is? Psychic covers a wide range of phenomena but generally either telepathy or telekinesis.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 28, 2014, 12:12:57 am
I've a Hungarian Ex who would stab you for saying that lol
The context of the conversation revolved around the Professor knowing a plan would work out beforehand. That said, he was referring to clairvoyance.
Telepithy is very different from being able to see the future.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 28, 2014, 12:17:05 am
That's what we call a joke.
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Post by: Sky79 on May 28, 2014, 12:19:29 am
So was the movie :D
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 28, 2014, 12:24:56 am
That still-fondly remembered movie that created the modern superhero movie boom sure is a joke. Ha ha ha.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on May 28, 2014, 12:40:55 am
I've a Hungarian Ex who would stab you for saying that lol
The context of the conversation revolved around the Professor knowing a plan would work out beforehand. That said, he was referring to clairvoyance.
Telepithy is very different from being able to see the future.
I feel telepithy for you when you get in those arguments.
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Post by: Sky79 on June 05, 2014, 03:31:34 am
You know, 'The Shadow' is cannon in pre-52 Gotham, he once saved young Bruce Wayne's life, heck, 'The Gray Ghost' was based on 'The Shadow'. If DC had the b@lls, you'd have a Shadow cameo, in the new Gotham TV show.
It would be awesome.
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Post by: Nero D. on June 05, 2014, 06:21:03 am
"lol who the fuck are shadow and grey ghost, fake ass batman wannabe's" - dc comics
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 13, 2014, 08:26:39 pm
Here is a purported list of the movies DC is planning for the next 5 years: (http://www.avclub.com/article/here-are-superhero-movies-warner-bros-supposedly-h-205762)
May 2016 – Batman V Superman : Sunset of Lawfulness July 2016 – Shazam Xmas 2016 – Sandman May 2017 – Justice League July 2017 – Wonder Woman Xmas 2017 – Flash and Green Lantern team-up May 2018 – Man Of Steel 2
this is all rumors of course, but apparently will be confirmed at Comic-Con.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 13, 2014, 09:01:21 pm
Flash W Green Lantern: Sweltering Noon of Justice
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 15, 2014, 01:34:04 am
I was waiting for our crack news team to report this, but...
Jason Momoa, best known for roles that don't require much talking is rumored to be playing Aquaman, whose most famous power is to talk to things. (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/jason-momoa-will-play-aquaman-in-dawn-of-justice-and-we-know-how-it-will-happen)
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Post by: Iced on June 15, 2014, 02:03:34 am
they got Namor to play Aqualamezor.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 15, 2014, 02:08:41 am
I think Namor should be more lithe than him, though.
I was waiting for our crack news team to report this, but...
Jason Momoa, best known for roles that don't require much talking is rumored to be playing Aquaman, whose most famous power is to talk to things. (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/jason-momoa-will-play-aquaman-in-dawn-of-justice-and-we-know-how-it-will-happen)
You take that back, Aquaman is a great supehero and Geoff Johns proved it in his Aquaman book where he had Aquaman continually assaulted by people who hate Aquaman to show how awesome they are, seriously you guys, stop making fun of him.
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Post by: Sky79 on June 15, 2014, 04:02:54 am
'Game of Thrones' star says questions are getting 'annoying' (http://www.hitfix.com/news/jason-momoa-is-so-over-these-batman-v-superman-rumors-stop-asking-mel)
:laugh3:
Edit: It just keeps getting worse- “I think it started when people said ‘What superhero would you play?’ And I’d say Batman and Superman, they’d be awesome together,” he said. “Then people were like, ‘He’s in 'Batman vs. Superman'!’ I’m like, I really like Lobo. ‘HE’S LOBO!!’ And then some asshole was like ‘He’s Aquaman!’” “And I’m like — what did you just call me?” he continued. “Where the fuck do you pull out Aquaman? Seriously… And then it shows up on the Internet. Not that it’s a bad rumor.”
This guy's an ass.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 17, 2014, 08:57:18 pm
Darkseid is rumored to be the villain of the Justice League movie (not Batman V Superman: Daybreak of Crimejustice). (http://comicsalliance.com/darkseid-justice-league-movie-dc-comics-warner-bros-rumo/) This will allow DC to put out their craggy, philosophical evil space god one year before Thanos will face the Avengers (the latter is speculation but they're gearing up Thanos in GotG so it lines up). And the best part is is that because the JL movie is likely to be based on that execrable opening arc of New 52 JL. Justice League: War, we'll end up getting a Darkseid who acts nothing like Darkseid and is just a generic space conqueror who happens to share the name of the God that the Devil prays to. Not like there are any other big DC villains that would make sense, no sir, better to blow your load with the biggest and baddest in the first movie. And do it shittily. Darkseid deserves better. Darkseid is.
also from that same article, Kevin Smith has said on one of his podcasts that the rumored movie line up is legit. So, fun.
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Post by: Mechy on June 17, 2014, 09:01:12 pm
Should have gone with Mongul. He is diabolical as all balls and can go mano a mano with Supes. Blowing the wad with big names on the first movie just makes it so that the rest can end up feeling scaled down significantly.
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Post by: Bea on June 17, 2014, 09:15:08 pm
Darkseid as the very fist villain and basing it on Justice League War are both very bad ideas, yes. Darkseid deserves much better than that.
Mongul, the league of doom, Brainiac would all be better picks, and all of those could pose as very credible threats that would require the full league to deal with.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 17, 2014, 09:40:55 pm
Starro would be my choice. You keep the idea that Starro brings this team together, for one - even Avengers keeps Loki as the main villain. You can keep the alien conqueror and his numerous drones and keep a better narrative for Darkseid. And could you imagine the reveal when they're studying one of the aliens and Flash and Batman realize the weird thing on its face is sentient seconds before it jumps off and hits Superman?
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 17, 2014, 09:51:35 pm
I was gonna say Starro too.
Either that or Amazo. Or even Despero or White Martians, maybe?
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Post by: Bea on June 17, 2014, 10:01:05 pm
Starro would be a great pick. Totally forgot about him.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 17, 2014, 10:02:53 pm
I was going to say White Martians but backed off on that. First, who knows if we're even getting a Green Martian. Second, the best part of that story is when Batman and Superman come to that realization at the same points that the audience does (well most of them anyway. I knew jack about MM when that story came out) and you've only got that if you've established J'onn already.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 17, 2014, 10:03:40 pm
Part of me saying White Martians is me saying they should do a Martian Manhunter movie! Screw Goyer and his genetically engineered Manhunter who is not from Mars who isn't in any of the movies crap! >:[
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 17, 2014, 10:08:43 pm
It would also give them a chance to use this line from Blue Beetle: "She's a Martian? So What? [...] Oh, excuse me, a White Martian. Didn't know I was supposed to get all racial about it.
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Post by: GOH on June 18, 2014, 10:10:48 am
martian wiggers
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Post by: Sky79 on June 19, 2014, 12:00:10 am
Always tryin ta keep da green man down :Mr-T:
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 20, 2014, 03:32:56 am
Lex Luthor will have hair in Batman V Superman: Rise of League (http://batman-news.com/2014/06/17/exclusive-lex-luthors-hairstyle-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-revealed/). But not anything like Jesse Eisenberg's usual look, instead he apparently has slightly longer, loose and wavy dirty-blonde hair? For some reason? Why dye his hair in the first place if you're not gonna dye it red?
also yeah that basically means he'll lose his hair at the end of the movie in a hackneyed "hey look, we're teasing things just like Marvel does" and just, oy.
Also, unsuprisingly, Warner wants to make a solo Batman movie. (http://www.avclub.com/article/warner-bros-wants-make-another-solo-batman-movie-a-206025) At least it seems like they're waiting until 2019?
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 20, 2014, 08:27:23 am
DOUBLE POST MADNESS
apparently Max Lord and Martian Manhunter will be appearing in the Justice League movie (http://www.worldsfinestnews.com/#!Martian-Manhunter-Darkseid--Max-Lord-Rumored-for-Batman-v-Superman/c201x/16FBE53D-E40E-4498-B9B1-A28D79DC10D4), which is worrying, given Goyer's comments about the Manhunter. And also Max Lord? God, they're just gonna use him as an evil douchebag who mindcontrols Superman into fighting Batman or something, just like his turn to evil around Infinite Crisis, right? Why did DC have to make sure every aspect of the Justice League International era was razed to the ground? :(
also more confirmation on Lex having long lustrious blonde hair in Bruce Wayne V Clark Kent: Ace Attorney, described as being like a surfer. (http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/06/18/exclusive-batman-vs-superman-to-include-lex-luthor-s-assistant-m/) Also Tao Okamoto (seen most recently in The Wolverine) is playing his assistant, who is named Mercy. Probably the movie's version of Mercy Graves, Luthor's kickass bodyguard/personal assistant. But they've got some Japanese lady playing her, instead of a white lady! Oh my heavens! Fetch my fainting couch for this is truly vile!
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Post by: Roman55 on June 20, 2014, 05:21:49 pm
Hey now some people aren't dumb bigots who moan when a character gets a race lift. They're also sometimes just really extreme comic fans who moan because they want everything exactly as they are in the comics (as impossible as that could be in plenty of cases).
I will faint for what they might do to our possibly non-Martian Manhunter :(
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Post by: Nero D. on June 20, 2014, 08:54:11 pm
fuck, how many fucking people are they gonna stuff in this movie holy shit, watch hugo strange make it in, fucking miley cyrus as harley Quinn or some shit, god they really have some type of complex
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 22, 2014, 07:18:48 am
Daniel Radcliffe is interested in playing Robin. (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/daniel-radcliffe-wants-to-play-robin-1201239174/)
I'm down with this if it means they can get Emma Watson as Batgirl
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Post by: Neocide on June 25, 2014, 06:33:51 am
There's really no where else to discuss this but, the flash pilot has been leaked. I haven't seen it yet, just thought I'd mention it in case anyone decided to go looking for it and watching it and telling us all about it, with spoiler tags obviously :3
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 25, 2014, 02:08:31 pm
well... it had a way better production value and fx than that wonder woman pilot.
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Post by: Sky79 on June 26, 2014, 01:52:06 am
Not a fair comparison, the wonder woman pilot, was an unfinished work.
As for Flash,-
Spoiler: consider this a preemptive strike(click to see content)
When the early 90's Flash TV show (20+ years ago) has a better plot, acting, uniform and a star willing to actually hit the gym, something is very wrong.
Even now the look holds up- (http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1611405!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/flash-081-aqu072-081.jpg) Still looks like a basazz
(http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/111064/grant-gustin-the-flash-2_large.jpg) This looks like cosplay.
There is no excuse for this.
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Post by: Nero D. on June 26, 2014, 05:47:48 am
fortunately, flash is supposed to be kinda lanky like that because of superhuman metabolism to go with his super speed, same for pietro,
/realist] also he's a model or some shit and he most likely won't do such a drastic body change for an ongoing series /realist
only reason they're even that buff in the comics is cuz everyone is buff in all comics except spiderman, sometimes
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 26, 2014, 07:08:25 am
Yeah I dunno about the 90s series costume. Those moulded muscles are just... so silly. With Batman they blend in well because it's so dark, but it just looks too goofy on a bright red backdrop. And it doesn't fit Barry's character either (Flashes have runners bodys!)
fuck, how many fucking people are they gonna stuff in this movie holy shit, watch hugo strange make it in, fucking miley cyrus as harley Quinn or some shit, god they really have some type of complex
The article headline seems to be mistaken; Maxwell Lord and Manhunter seem to be for the Justice League movie proper (hence the "attached" status for Cavill and Gadot, which wouldn't make sense for a movie that's currently filming)
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 26, 2014, 08:04:37 am
Not a fair comparison, the wonder woman pilot, was an unfinished work.
FYI, this pilot was unfinished as well... they just put a lot more effort into it.
(http://i.imgur.com/AIpNR6y.jpg) The fuck is Ivy Pepper? I mean everyone else kept their names, why not keep Pamela Isley? I wasnt too hyped about Gotham, and now this. Please tell me they arent going all Smallville on this.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 26, 2014, 08:13:18 am
Well obviously Ivy Pepper is a much less silly name than Pamela Isley. :I
and yeah this has Smallville all over it, the showrunner said the series will end with Batman putting on the cape and cowl, just like Smallville. Eugh.
(sidenote: I reread the second Gotham Central TPD recently, the one with the Joker's sniper spree and the Mad Hatter/Harvey Bullock cold case arcs, goddamn this book was such a fucking masterpiece, why the fuckity fuck aren't we getting that)
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Post by: Byakko on June 26, 2014, 10:21:06 am
Flash pilot = Cliché City. Also they went a little crazy in the supernatural, I'm hoping this was just the introduction and it'll calm down a bit like Arrow. I thought the trailer would make up a whole introduction arc, but it was all the first episode.
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Post by: Sky79 on June 27, 2014, 02:18:32 am
Why is that ? There's no reason for him to have much muscle, beside the "fast metabolism" sort of thing. Outside of being Flash, he's not doing anything special, and he's not born with a unique body, his speed isn't even tied to his physique. He's much more Peter Parker than Captain America (physique transformed), Batman (insane training), or even someone like Green Arrow (a-few-notches-below-Batman crazy training). He's a normal guy outside of the speed force thing. He could be fat, he still would have his speed.
Actually no.. that suit was pretty much a body sculpt.
Never said it wasn't. I said -
Quote
"That wasn't simply molded muscle on John W Shipp .....that was him."
That's... That is contradictory. what we see is not the actual body of the person through some thin clothing that might as well not be there, it's a sculpt.
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Post by: Sky79 on June 28, 2014, 01:53:46 am
You're telling me "The Flash" shouldn't be build like an athlete in any way? really?
Again, it's more then just a sculpt, the guy trained. Plus, in that show, "fast metabolism" was in play, then and now. Like it or not, that means low body fat. This/the actor has to look the part, or at least look like he dose something other the play videogames all day. I'll take the built guy, who actually looks like he can 'do' something other then take groceries to my car, thanks.
Gal Gadot will be happy to know your expectations are so low-
" we process it all. Then we kind of put that aside and work out what is right for our film"
F*** these guys, man. Should have just kept my mouth shut. It's like they can hear us.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 02:11:15 am
Hoplite skirt's fine and far from the worst change that could be made. That article was bordering on wanting Wonder Woman to be a different character entirely.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I guess I should weigh in on that other thing. There's a difference between a runner's build and a sprinter's build (my best bud is a health nut). I've always had a problem that the Flash is drawn sprinter's build because it's more muscular when he'd be realistically b a distance runner.
tl; dr Yeah, he should look more like Peter Parker.
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Post by: Mechy on June 28, 2014, 02:14:24 am
This is what the fans want, this is what you want too, they know that, and don't care. It's a slap in the face.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 28, 2014, 02:31:02 am
Yeah I'm not really sure what the problem is with an armored skirt. Or why doing literally nothing besides adding pants and taking all the color out is better than say, just spray-painting the Xena costume. Because that Xena outfit is pretty much perfect for Wonder Woman. And if we could also somehow get Lucy Lawless to play Wonder Woman? She's so great!!!
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Post by: Mechy on June 28, 2014, 02:32:27 am
I was never a fan of the normal WW look, so I would like the skirt look more. But I do know it's iconic so I understand why people would be upset. The chancing of outfits to be more "realistic" (rubbish) is another dumb problem with DC's direction these days.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 02:33:44 am
If Lucy Lawless isn't at least playing Hippolyta in the Wonder Woman movie then someone made a big mistake.
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Post by: Bea on June 28, 2014, 02:35:09 am
" we process it all. Then we kind of put that aside and work out what is right for our film"
F*** these guys, man. Should have just kept my mouth shut. It's like they can hear us.
i dont get any of the complaints they are complaining shes not in black pants and has a xena outfit. a xena outfit is the best outcome, not black pants that remove any of her backstory.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 02:42:19 am
Would still make a much, MUCH better Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot.
Hell Bea, You're right. By the time their done with her, Lucy Lawless might as well play her, by the time they're done covering her up, all you'll see is her face, and Miss Lawless is better looking. I'll bet they're taking her build (or lack there of) into account, while changing the iconic uniform.
Even they know she is physically incapable of playing the character.
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Post by: Iced on June 28, 2014, 03:14:40 am
You are acting as if she was an old lady now or something
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 03:21:47 am
The character she played in Spartacus frequently worried about her age and inability to have a baby due to it.
I miss Spartacus so much...
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Post by: Sky79 on June 28, 2014, 03:23:46 am
Whomever will play WW will be playing her for 10+ years, not just this movie.
LL will be well into her 50's playing a 30 something year old, I think she is a decent choice, but only for BvS, not the future of the movie franchise. She's just not going to be 'fighting' shape J.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 28, 2014, 03:25:12 am
But Affleck is of course fine. Sure.
Say, how old is Robert Downey Jr.?
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Post by: Bea on June 28, 2014, 03:26:18 am
Lucy also have the advantage of being capable to act, along with being extremely beautiful.
Also, it is not like we're asking for Lynda Carter to reprise the role (would still be a better pick than Gal Gadot, though :P).
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 03:42:20 am
He's not, though. But they're billing him as 'old Batman'. Which means you're gonna get a bunch of crap that they stole from the DKR monologues even though he's not that old.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 28, 2014, 03:43:33 am
If they can do "old" Batman (because 42 is ancient), they can do "old" Wonder Woman too! >:[
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Post by: Sky79 on June 28, 2014, 03:43:40 am
His age ain't really the problem with him, and regardless, they're both in their 40's: Lawless could still play Wonder Woman. Hollywood would of course never in a million years cast her, because women over 40 should be unseen save for very specific circumstances, and playing a superhero ain't one of them.
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Post by: Sky79 on June 28, 2014, 03:53:58 am
Alrighty then-
Death Match Lucy Lawless vs Lynda Carter Winner plays Hippolyta
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 03:56:18 am
well it WAS ancient Rome. People didnt exactly expect women over 20 something to be in a child bearing age.
I just found it amusing that you brought it up as an example of her still being young enough to play the role when her 'advancing' age was one of the major character beats of Lucretia, that's all.
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Post by: Bea on June 28, 2014, 04:00:23 am
I just wonder... couldn't they have cast anyone else to play Wonder Woman?
I mean... I compare Hayden Christensen acting skills unfavourably to that of a rock, and I would still prefer to have him play Wonder Woman over Gal Gadot, even considering the minor detail of him being male. That is just how much I hate the casting of Gal Gadot to the role.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 04:05:03 am
I'm more apathetic than anything. There were certainly better choices and there were certainly worse choices. At least Gal Godot's non-white and has military training.
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Post by: Nero D. on June 28, 2014, 04:10:48 am
I prefer that rock you're comparing hayden's acting skill to over hayden himself, matter of fact where's that rock, let's get a new ww
i jest, but seriously, there are/were plenty if better actors to play ww, but they're obviously trying to force a certain standard look down our throats with SUPERMODEL GAL GADOT so you'll expect it, just like you expect slim fast growth spurt hugh jackman wolvie or ridiculous goatee rdj tony stark etc (don't forget inexplicable british accent thor when he should sound like skwisgaar)
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 28, 2014, 04:14:24 am
Marvel Thor talks in fax-Shakspearian all the time, of course he'd have a British accent! :P
also Hayden Christensen is surprisingly good in Shattered Glass; he's not by any stretch of the imagination a great actor but he might not have been hated so much if someone besides George Lucas directed him in those movies (just look at all the actually good actors in those movies, nobody could rise above that direction and dialogue, Ewan McGregor kinda manages it though)
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Post by: Titiln on June 28, 2014, 04:18:25 am
i think he means not american (since she's israeli AND since americans are only white apparently) which is a weird statement because 1. she's still white, 2. lucy lawless is from new zealand iirc which would apparently make her not white since she's not american (white), and 3. white is not a race/ethnicity
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 28, 2014, 04:35:51 am
There are choices for WW.....How about a Greek woman for starters.
Lol, you serious?
Yes, you know they're real right?
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Post by: Byakko on June 30, 2014, 01:32:18 pm
I'm pretty sure that he doesn't believe Greek people don't exist but that he thinks it's a retarded suggestion.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 30, 2014, 06:19:38 pm
what DKDC said. anyway.. constantine was actually quite good. ive been a fan of matt ryan since he did edward kenway.. but the constantine role really seems to fit him.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 30, 2014, 07:14:38 pm
That's good to hear, because it's the one I'm most worried about. Gotham's got The Batman juice behind it, so it'll get ratings based on that alone. Flash is on CW, so it's guaranteed 2 seasons if it gets even half of Arrow's ratings. But if Constantine doesn't do as good as Grimm NBC will cancel it in a snap, and if that happens you can say goodbye to any non-JL related properties on film/TV for a while.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 01, 2014, 12:04:32 am
Probably because it actually is a retarded suggestion. It's not a bad thing to try and cast an actor as close as possible to the role, but it's retarded to act like it's a terrible thing to NOT cast a Greek woman in the role of a Greek woman. There are other women out there who can probably play a Greek woman just fine - and it's not even a matter of accents, because I don't really think anyone ever cared about Wonder Woman's Greek accent in any version.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 01, 2014, 12:19:12 am
because I don't really think anyone ever cared about Wonder Woman's Greek accent in any version.
Plus the fact that Wonder Woman has never been heard with greek accent in the first place.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on July 01, 2014, 12:21:50 am
I want to see a woman made of stone as wonderwoman, we could get that chick from twilight
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 01, 2014, 12:25:38 am
Wonder Woman isn't even Greek. She's an Amazon. And they're pointedly NOT Greek. That's the entire point. They're barbarians, in the original sense of the word (i.e., not Greek, anyone not from Greece was a barbarian).
That doesn't mean she hasn't been portrayed as having Greek characteristics, of course, but it's not like it has ever been a definite, constant fact.
I want to see a woman made of stone as wonderwoman, we could get that chick from twilight
Clay, she's made of clay you halfwit. Go back to your Bendis comics you zombie >:[
She's a daughter of Zeus now. And by Zeus I mean Lor Dzu-S of Krypton because I don't trust that Goyer isn't making her descended from Krypton because he's a HACK
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 01, 2014, 02:19:47 am
She's a daughter of Zeus now. And by Zeus I mean Lor Dzu-S of Krypton because I don't trust that Goyer isn't making her descended from Krypton because he's a HACK
The ability to act is the basic need here J. BUT it's not the most important. Case in point, George Clooney, Oscar winner.......$hit Batman.
By your logic, BM&R should've been great right?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on July 01, 2014, 02:27:24 am
batman and robin being bad had nothing to do with the actors inability to act, you cant act when there isnt a script. Afleck has nothing on him that makes him "bad" for the part of batman, there is nothing about him, body or face that goes "yo i cant be batman holmes."
considering the amazons were barbarians in the eyes of the greek I wouldnt mind them being Black.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 01, 2014, 02:40:30 am
That's right Iced, very true.
So, what is to the most important thing to look for in an actress playing WW?
And no DKDC, it's not her boobs.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 01, 2014, 02:42:37 am
Yes. The reason Batman & Robin sucked was because... George Clooney had grey hair? Sure. ::)
Their ability to act is absolutely the most important qualifier for being cast in a movie. How the fuck could it not be.
Of course, it's not the only factor, but it's easily the most important. One still needs to be able to work well with the other actors, have chemistry with them, etc. And while race is the least important qualifier, it still can be a qualifier (you would not, for instance, want to cast Michael Fassbender in the Solomon Northup role in 12 Years A Slave, for instance). It all depends on the role. For some roles, the race doesn't really matter, and to others it does. So too with age, gender, physical characteristics, and what have you. Some roles need to be played by an old man, and some by a young woman, but the most important thing they need to bring is the ability to act well.
And Clooney could've knocked the role of Batman out of the park, if he was given an actually good script and given competent direction. He seems like he'd be best doing a more lighthearted Batman, though. Oooh, imagine a Coen Brothers Batman movie: O Batman Where Art Thou? !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 01, 2014, 02:46:00 am
wait, shit, should it have been O Joker Where Art Thou? instead?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 01, 2014, 02:47:15 am
IIIIIIIII am the MAAAAAAAN of constant VENGEANCE
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 01, 2014, 02:55:09 am
Of course, it's not the only factor, but it's easily the most important. One still needs to be able to work well with the other actors, have chemistry with them, etc. And while race is the least important qualifier, it still can be a qualifier (you would not, for instance, want to cast Michael Fassbender in the Solomon Northup role in 12 Years A Slave, for instance). It all depends on the role. For some roles, the race doesn't really matter, and to others it does. So too with age, gender, physical characteristics, and what have you. Some roles need to be played by an old man, and some by a young woman, but the most important thing they need to bring is the ability to act well.
Again, acting well is a given for most any great movie.......I'm talking about WW specifically.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 01, 2014, 03:04:21 am
Well that's a different question that ninja'd my post! >:[
anyway yeah Wonder Woman should ideally be statuesque (this is a pun because of her origin, kind of?), I think. The actor needs to radiate warmth and compassion with just a look, but at the same time be able to stare you down and make you piss your pants. Wonder Woman should come off as expert warrior and ambassador of peace all at once. It's a pretty hefty role, I would think.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Nero D. on July 01, 2014, 03:05:26 am
this is a stupid discussion on the basis that ww is white and not a minority where this discussion would be relevant, so the answer to that question is...a white woman, muscles optional(not required because SUPERMODEL GAL GADOT)
i mean this ain't the last air bender where they took an all asian cast and made everyone white except the bad guys who were made darker southeast asians for some fucking reason when they were clearly based off the japanese
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 01, 2014, 03:17:56 am
So anyway he's some fucking shit about this movie that deals with Wonder Woman's costume and Lex's motivation and SPOILERS
Exclusive Wonder Woman Scoop - Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvlGrqLbV0#t=170)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 01, 2014, 03:40:11 am
She needs to be a skilled actress: Basic Physically capable of portraying her: You have wiggle room there. On screen chemistry with the other actors: A bonus
But, there needs to be a passion for the character in the actor for the roll they're playing.
So anyway he's some fucking shit about this movie that deals with Wonder Woman's costume and Lex's motivation and SPOILERS
Exclusive Wonder Woman Scoop - Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvlGrqLbV0#t=170)
Hell yeah! great news
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 01, 2014, 04:16:30 am
A bonus? But that's nuts, you need the actors to be able to, you know, actually act together and not just deliver monologues to each other. Avengers would just not work at all without the chemistry between all the team members. :-\
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 01, 2014, 05:40:59 am
And miss Gadot will have that, because she's just like most of this cast, she doesn't give two $hits about the characters, it's a paycheck.
The only ones I'm seeing any excitement about playing their roll is Affleck and Cavil. Gina Carano (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04/29/gina-carano-talks-wonder-woman-and-gal-gadot) would have been perfect, she's loved WW since she was a little girl,she's in fighting shape, and is in a real relationship with the actor playing Superman......Now there's some on screen chemistry for ya.
Edit: “I think people have their own idea, but I always like the underdog, I’m always rooting for the underdog. If the world says you can’t do something, I couldn’t care less because that’s not how anybody should live their lives.”--Gina Carano
Now that's a Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 01, 2014, 05:51:18 am
I'm really not convinced that there will be any chemistry between any of the leads of Baman V Piderman: Dawn of Pumkin, not least because the complete and utter lack of anything even remotely close to chemistry between Lois and Superman in the last movie. Their stance on whether they give a shit about the character or not is not really a factor (and Affleck at least reads to me like he's super excited about being Batman)
Gina Carano is astounding at fight scenes and has great physicality but really she's not that great of an actress, verbal-wise. It's just not one of her strengths, and I think Wonder Woman requires it; I don't think it would've been a good idea to cast her. Indeed, she was dubbed over in Haywire, and that entire movie is structured to reduce the amount of verbal acting she had to do. It's like Ray Park; dude is great at crazy stunts and shit but please don't make him start talking or you'll wind up with... uh... (http://content9.flixster.com/photo/12/26/51/12265151_ori.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on July 01, 2014, 09:36:09 am
Most of the shot is straight up CGI, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Snyder did a little touch up to have something ready for Comic Con.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Mechy on July 04, 2014, 12:45:07 am
You fool, did you watch Man Of Steel? That's all him, 100%
Even then, his chest especially looks pretty huge here.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on July 04, 2014, 12:46:29 am
yall are naysayers.
The darkness and catgirls make it extra sophisticated.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 04, 2014, 08:30:08 am
holy shit that promo image is fucking wretched. How did this get past so many people? It looks so terrible, the lighting makes Cavill look 20 years older and the filter is so drab and bleak it's ludicrous. it's so bad that his hair is silver, for fucks sake.
The city in the background, though. Is that supposed to be Gotham? Looks more like it's inspired by the gothic/hell erupted from the pavement and formed a city vision of Gotham than the more down to Earth one recently seen in the Nolan movies. And honestly, I much prefer the former. It gives Gotham it's own visual identity (I also think Metropolis should be the same way, but in a gleaming skyscraper and art deco-y sort of way) that isn't just "made up city that looks like Pittsburgh".
Now, have these amazing quotes from visionary director Zack Snyder: (http://comicsalliance.com/the-dark-man-of-steel-returns-henry-cavills-superman-is-back-and-wetter-than-ever/)
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Snyder, who who described Batman V Superman as “thicker, denser and more epic” than Man of Steel
Yes. Seriously. That happened.
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The director can't say exactly how the relationship between the two superheroes evolves, "but suffice it to say there is a 'v' in between their names" in the movie title, Snyder says. He explains that having the "v" instead of "vs." is a way "to keep it from being a straight 'versus' movie, even in the most subtle way."
Yes. By using the terminology of a legal case instead of vs. (which is the only option, there is no such comic as Batman/Superman), it subtly keeps it from being a versus movie. All expected of the master of subtlety, Zack Snyder.
(which is the only option, there is no such comic as Batman/Superman)
Also no such thing as World's Finest, you see, it sounds positive.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 04, 2014, 08:57:15 am
I just took that out of the running altogether (besides the fact that Warner can't make one good decision about these movies) because it couldn't contain the words "Batman", "Superman", and "Justice" all together in one title. I mean shit, Batman and Superman: World's Finest would've been a great title, but how will people know that it's a prelude to the Justice League movie????
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 04, 2014, 10:22:26 am
Not just that my friend, note the rain on the roof, they didn't add the rain impacting the roof properly, it's on either side, but he's not actually getting rain on...Cuz He sUpamahn!
look as the length of the cape, compared to his height. if the wind wasn't blowing, it would drag on the ground. I thought it was just the angle, but if you look at his shadow, it's blowing directly behind him. The cape is to damn long.
Batman V Superman: Spawn of justice?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 05, 2014, 10:05:25 am
I'd hate to see how Goyer and Snyder would grim 'n' gritty up Spawn more than he already is. and speaking of Snyder I just saw this, it's pretty spot-on (and funny)
the pertinent stuff (basically, Snyder's complete and utter failure to go above surface level meaning) is in the first 2 minutes, the rest is focused almost entirely on Sucker Punch
also these various DC TV show news items are everywhere but while I'm posting here I'll put this here too: Carol Kane (yay!) is going to be on Gotham (boo!) as the Penguin's mom. (http://www.avclub.com/article/carol-kane-play-penguins-mom-gotham-206541) But note her last name: Kapelput. Gotham's Penguin has already been shown to be called Oswald Cobblepot (like the comics), but his mom is apparently rocking the original, non-Americanized Old World version of that last name. Which the show is making up, for some reason? This is all very puzzling. It's absurd and feels like changing things for the sake of changing things, but, like, why? Cobblepot is supposed to be a ridiculous name, what's the point of "revealing" that it's actually an Anglicized version of an even sillier, made-up, reverse-engineered last name? And why isn't this show Gotham Central?
... holy fuck Penguin's last name does not deserve so much goddamn text to be written about it, I feel awful. I need to reexamine my priorities in life.
(also, note the first sentence of the Carol Kane article, it's got a great in-joke relating to Batman's creators)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 08, 2014, 12:42:45 am
What what http://tvline.com/2014/07/07/arrow-brandon-routh-the-atom-season-3/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 08, 2014, 01:18:14 am
Oddly enough, I like the idea lol
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Post by: Nero D. on July 08, 2014, 02:24:39 am
it's funny because he was superman hyuk hyuk *snort*
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on July 08, 2014, 02:58:11 am
He was a good Superman given a terrible script. :( He could have been THE face of Superman if we got someone who could write and was willing to reboot Superman properly instead of trying to make a non-sense plot tied to Superman II.
And because of Bryan Singer, the face of Superman now is that man of mass murder and destruction. :(
Oh well, I am sure he will play a great Atom.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 08, 2014, 03:03:33 am
Brandon Routh deserved better. I mean, not as much as Christopher Reeve deserved to star in movies that were actually good, but Routh should've gotten a better movie(s) too. Certainly better than that bland British guy they've got now, what's his name again? Slab Bulkhead? Splint Chesthair? Rip Steakface? Big McLargeHuge? Oh who cares. Here are some rumored minor villains for Wayne V Kent V Kramer: (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/04/3-possible-bad-guys-well-see-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/) Mr. Zsasz, Bat-villain and serial killer who carves a mark into his flesh for every kill (I seriously don't get the appeal of this guy, he's just a low-rent, really boring Joker); Morgan Edge, corrupt businessman and sometimes owner of the Daily Planet, and also leader of the mob group Intergang, which serves Darkseid's interests on Earth (here it seems Edge will be Luthor's PR guy); and David Cain, world famous assassin and enemy of Batman (who will apparently be hired by Luthor for a hit in the movie). Really excited for that last one, everyone loves David Cain, cause when it comes to Batman-related assassins, you gotta exclude Deathstroke (cause he's too big for a side role) and Deadshot (who is much more interesting in Suicide Squad). And that's about it, only another white dude. Too bad there isn't a more famous, more interesting, more Batman-related deadly assassin who's also a woman of color! (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Shiva)
Oh and apparently Amanda Waller is in this too, no doubt as the young, skinny nu52 version. Here's the executive producer of Gotham explaining what the show's vision of Batman is: (http://comicsalliance.com/gotham-fox-executive-producers-heller-cannon-psychological-truth-batman/)
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It’s really about telling the true story of how someone might become the Batman. The psychological truth of that is that he’d be a lot more damaged and a lot more traumatized and a lot more strange than some visions of how that character would be. It’s a dark character, and it’s a character under pressure.
Oh thank god, I was worried for a sec that this would be even slightly different than usual. Glad they grimmed it up even more too!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 08, 2014, 04:28:47 am
Too bad there isn't a more famous, more interesting, more Batman-related deadly assassin who's also a woman of color! (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Shiva)
Oh stop it... Ugh
Batman v Superman will do better at box office then the Dark Knight? (http://youtu.be/CyHf8eMAfpw)
"Having Batman V Superman open on the same night as Captain America 3 is stupid, it's just stupid"
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 08, 2014, 07:48:33 am
David Cain, world famous assassin and enemy of Batman (who will apparently be hired by Luthor for a hit in the movie). Really excited for that last one, everyone loves David Cain, cause when it comes to Batman-related assassins, you gotta exclude Deathstroke (cause he's too big for a side role) and Deadshot (who is much more interesting in Suicide Squad). And that's about it, only another white dude. Too bad there isn't a more famous, more interesting, more Batman-related deadly assassin who's also a woman of color! (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Shiva)
NO. I'm sick of Shiva getting dragged into this crap. I'm sick of her being part of the League, I'm sick of her being portrayed as interchangeable with other assassins, and I am very VERY sick of her jobbing out to Batman. Arkham Origins was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
Cain's the perfect guy for this sort of stuff anyway.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 08, 2014, 08:35:30 am
Ah, well part of my idea was that Shiva would indeed beat Batman in a straight up fight and he'd have to be rescued by Superman (and maybe they would excuse it as Batman being too old or some shit but c'mon we all know she's on another level above Batman, martial arts-wise). And have her be a free agent with morally ambiguous allegiances and stuff, maybe mention her allying with Batman once or twice, make her interesting, but in a quick way cause she'll only be there for a fight scene. And then that'll be set up for a Black Canary movie where she teams up with Shiva and they kick people in the face a bunch!
And no jobbing to Batman is worse than the time Karate Kid did, I don't care if he was mind controlled, dude held off pre-Crisis Superboy* with SUPER KARATE FROM THE 30TH CENTURY >:[
*ok fine, briefly caught Superboy off guard by avoiding and redirecting his attacks still c'mon that is pretty dang impressive for a normal human
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Post by: GOH on July 08, 2014, 10:52:08 am
And no jobbing to Batman is worse than the time Karate Kid did, I don't care if he was mind controlled, dude held off pre-Crisis Superboy* with SUPER KARATE FROM THE 30TH CENTURY >:[
*ok fine, briefly caught Superboy off guard by avoiding and redirecting his attacks still c'mon that is pretty dang impressive for a normal human
Huh cmon how hard can it be to beat a teenager kid going wax on wax off and having one single kick technique? Ofc Batman is gonna kick miyagi san pupil.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on July 08, 2014, 04:59:07 pm
No, no. As much as I hate Snyder for what was done with Superman in Man of Mass Destruction, Superman Returns failure led to that reboot. Singer was the responsible for the mess that Superman Returns was. If it was successful, we'd see more of Brandon Routh, who would have done a very good Superman if he could do HIS Superman instead of emulating Reeves one. And the need for a Superman reboot would have been much smaller, so we could, perhaps, have dodged that bullet...
Therefore, Singer also has his share of guilty for this.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 08, 2014, 05:20:34 pm
It's a shame because EVERYTHING he's done after that movie has made the case that Brandon Routh is a great Superman. Starting with his run on Chuck, and he was a bad guy!
Ah, well part of my idea was that Shiva would indeed beat Batman in a straight up fight and he'd have to be rescued by Superman (and maybe they would excuse it as Batman being too old or some shit but c'mon we all know she's on another level above Batman, martial arts-wise). And have her be a free agent with morally ambiguous allegiances and stuff, maybe mention her allying with Batman once or twice, make her interesting, but in a quick way cause she'll only be there for a fight scene. And then that'll be set up for a Black Canary movie where she teams up with Shiva and they kick people in the face a bunch!
That would be great if that would be the way she was done, but you know she'd either be there because Ra's told her to be there or she'd be some mute "dragon lady" character like Lady Deathstrike (or like PUBLIC ENEMIES!).
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 08, 2014, 07:33:09 pm
Well yeah but might as well dream big if I'm gonna dream at all. :(
Huh cmon how hard can it be to beat a teenager kid going wax on wax off and having one single kick technique? Ofc Batman is gonna kick miyagi san pupil.
Motherfucker I will gut you.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on July 09, 2014, 11:22:02 am
you already dreaming big by thinking karate kid could defeat batman, wasnt the last karate kid jayden smith ? http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/2056/05/2056_1369416231.jpg Is this the face of the man that can beat the bat? I dont think so.
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Post by: Nero D. on July 09, 2014, 06:25:55 pm
all the prep time in the world can't prepare batman for jaden's blue magnum face and nonsensical pseudo-philosophical tweets
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 09, 2014, 06:57:12 pm
you already dreaming big by thinking karate kid could defeat batman, wasnt the last karate kid jayden smith ? http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/2056/05/2056_1369416231.jpg Is this the face of the man that can beat the bat? I dont think so.
Yours will be a painful death. You will beg for forgiveness, but it shall never come. (http://i.imgur.com/4kEqL9t.jpg)
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Post by: Edtion on July 09, 2014, 10:07:44 pm
Where is that from?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: GOH on July 10, 2014, 12:10:31 am
his imagination
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 10, 2014, 12:56:33 am
Justice League, pre-Flashpoint. During the Lightning Saga, I think?
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2014, 02:28:49 am
Well, basically. The page itself is from the improbably awful Countdown To Final Crisis, but it's recapping something from the not quite as bad but still terrible Lightning Saga. But it's the only actual Karate Kid/Batman fight that I could think of, and it's not as awful as either series/arc overall, though Batman is doing far too well against someone who is a master of every martial art in the universe 1000 years from now. Even with the fact that Karate Kid is being brainwashed, it's still too much. >:[
Well, basically. The page itself is from the improbably awful Countdown To Final Crisis, but it's recapping something from the not quite as bad but still terrible Lightning Saga. But it's the only actual Karate Kid/Batman fight that I could think of, and it's not as awful as either series/arc overall, though Batman is doing far too well against someone who is a master of every martial art in the universe 1000 years from now. Even with the fact that Karate Kid is being brainwashed, it's still too much. >:[
Thanks, and um...would you happen to remember which issue of Countdown?
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Post by: GOH on July 10, 2014, 10:34:40 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/12/03/warner-bros-producer-tells-us-to-expect-wonder-woman-and-doomsday-in-superman-batman-movie/ Villain seems to be Doomsday.
There are apparently designs for Doomsday (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/10/doomsday-to-appear-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/) for BVS aka Buffy, Vampire Slayer. Can't wait for more absurdly over-the-top collateral damage!
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Post by: Neocide on July 12, 2014, 09:10:23 pm
this movie is going to be bad, they are putting everything in this.
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Post by: Bea on July 12, 2014, 09:12:54 pm
Well, as I said, there goes Gotham. Metropolis is no more after Superman "saved" it... Gotham will have it worse, it seems.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 12, 2014, 09:49:07 pm
Man, this is just sounding like a huge mess.
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Post by: Sky79 on July 12, 2014, 10:15:24 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Nucka on July 13, 2014, 06:40:59 am
I don't mind the mass destruction, it's overdone but should be expected when super-beings fight. I didn't hate Man of Steel (it actually got me into Smallville) and Ben Affleck as Batman is kinda growing on me and I don't like Ben Affleck. I have higher hopes for this film than most, but then again it doesn't take much for me to enjoy something when Superman's involved.
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Post by: GOH on July 13, 2014, 02:20:24 pm
lol smallville
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Post by: Sky79 on July 13, 2014, 05:17:55 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 13, 2014, 05:26:18 pm
Well Superman does make stuff better, usually.
Unfortunately, Superman does not appear until the last episode of Smallville, instead it is, of course, the classic superheroic identity Clark Kent used before becoming Superman: the iconic and not at all thunderously stupid RED-BLUE BLUR!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 13, 2014, 05:46:04 pm
EDIT: Oh, spoilers for Nucka, I guess. I'm not covering it up. It's been too long and the wound still bleeds.
Ugh, I hate that I wasted 5 years of my life on Smallville because I legitimately thought it was going somewhere that wasn't "Superman flies through a cloud they named Darkseid and wins!"
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 13, 2014, 11:47:28 pm
Supposedly the leaked teaser.. shot on a cam
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 13, 2014, 11:53:36 pm
FAAAAAAKE
I could do the leg work and find the video game cutscene that I'm pretty sure that shot of Batman comes from, but there's one thing I can point to no problem: That video was posted two days ago and has not been taken down.
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Post by: Bea on July 16, 2014, 04:55:35 pm
And then there is this happening... I am not sure if this comes through, it would make the Warner DC films less terrible or would make them even worse...
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 16, 2014, 05:09:33 pm
It's unlikely to have any effect. I'm more worried about two gigantic media conglomerates merging together, becoming even larger and more powerful and monopolistic.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 21, 2014, 07:35:25 am
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Post by: Byakko on July 21, 2014, 11:43:35 am
Isn't that for the TV show ? Isn't it good ?
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Post by: Iced on July 21, 2014, 11:44:43 am
I saw the first episode, it was pretty okay.
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Post by: Byakko on July 21, 2014, 11:48:19 am
Yeah, it was decent, for a "mutant of the week" prelude, I'm thinking the mommy-emo aspect was just to start things up and will disappear soon enough (the teaser between Green Arrow and Flash had a pretty good classic happy-go-lucky Flash). But I was under the impression that DKG sighed because he thought that it was going to be for the Supe/bat movie.
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Post by: Iced on July 21, 2014, 11:50:30 am
probably, it would be easy to think that if you werent following things that closely. about the mommy thing...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
The guy in the wheelchair has come from the future, which makes him zoom( zoom is a flash fan coming from the future to try to shape flash into a hero through tragedy) , soooo thats probably gonna be a big plot point considering zoom was the yellow blur.
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Post by: Byakko on July 21, 2014, 11:55:03 am
Yeah, but I dunno, it feels weird that they'd give it away as soon as the first episode, especially if they have any hope to make it last 10 years (newspaper date). At this point I think JD's big brother might be a red herring yet. It's too obvious. ... But then again it's a bit cheesy and predictable so far.
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Post by: Person Man on July 21, 2014, 10:07:17 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordbird_zpsf45c1928.png[/avatar]Dwayne The Rock The Tooth Fairy Johnson is probably going to be playing Captain Marvel. (http://comicsalliance.com/shazam-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-movie-dc-comics/)
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Post by: Nero D. on July 22, 2014, 01:55:36 am
shoulda went with black adam (the better one)
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 22, 2014, 02:07:58 am
I'm cool with that, the Rock is a goof. One might even say he's a little cheesy.
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Post by: Sky79 on July 22, 2014, 02:34:06 am
Ugh.......Again with the race thing Pffffff
Edit: Anyway.
Best WW cosply (http://geektyrant.com/news/wonder-woman-best-of-cosplay-collection)
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 22, 2014, 07:44:23 am
Great casting choice, Captain Marvel is the perfect type of role for him. Shame the movie will almost certainly be terrible and they'll make the good Captain dark and broody when it should play to the Rock's strengths (and the character's strengths too) and be a light, fun, and very goofy superhero story, with talking tigers in full suits and a tiny, mind controlling worm that has carries tiny speaker so people can hear him.
Nah. I can't see him doing well with that at all. Sure, it might be more "racially accurate", but who gives a shit about that. There are plenty of people who can play ancient Egyptian dudes, but the Rock is just much more suited to a charismatic, over-the-top, and kinda silly hero, more than he is a brooding villain and sometimes anti-hero.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 22, 2014, 03:43:27 pm
I think it's only in trouble if Snyder's involved. They're almost certainly going to base it on the new origin story, which I know not everybody's a fan of but does a good job of hitting all the emotional beats a movie needs. So the worse thing would be to give it to a director who doesn't understand tone.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 23, 2014, 08:28:17 am
probably, it would be easy to think that if you werent following things that closely. about the mommy thing...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
The guy in the wheelchair has come from the future, which makes him zoom( zoom is a flash fan coming from the future to try to shape flash into a hero through tragedy) , soooo thats probably gonna be a big plot point considering zoom was the yellow blur.
I'm pretty sure the guy in the wheel chair isnt Zoom, since there is a character named Eddie Thawne in the show. So unless he is an ancestor to Eobarb, I think Eddie is Zoom. I once thought wheel chair guy couldve been Booster Gold, but that doesn't seem plausible now. I guess we'll have to wait and see
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 23, 2014, 10:13:46 am
The universes of all those upcoming DC shows (and also Arrow) and the movies will be separate. (http://comicsalliance.com/geoff-johns-dc-entertainment-movie-tv-universes-separate/) And I'm sure I've seen news items like a month or two ago saying each show would be separate from the other as well (save for Arrow and Flash, of course); which isn't super surprising since they're all on different networks.
It makes more sense creatively to keep them all untethered (though the Arrow folks will never be able to use any Batman or Superman stuff) to avoid running into the problems Agents of Z.Z.Z.Z.Z. ran into (not being able to use many actual Marvel characters), but it seems like a bad choice for the film side. They'd be able to introduce Flash and the Hood/Arrow/is he Green Arrow yet in the Justice League movie without having to spend a ton of time introducing them, and they'd arrive fully formed and the writers would know how to play to the actor's strengths and the actors would have a great handle on their characters and think of the corporate synergy!
I think it's only in trouble if Snyder's involved. They're almost certainly going to base it on the new origin story, which I know not everybody's a fan of but does a good job of hitting all the emotional beats a movie needs. So the worse thing would be to give it to a director who doesn't understand tone.
I think the rot over at the DC movies goes beyond Snyder and Goyer; it seems like everyone over there in a position of editorial power is hell bent on making everything as dark and depressing as possible.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 23, 2014, 04:34:27 pm
I think the rot over at the DC movies goes beyond Snyder and Goyer; it seems like everyone over there in a position of editorial power is hell bent on making everything as dark and depressing as possible.
I feel like you don't cast the Rock in a movie if you want it to be dark and depressing. Even if they screw up and make him Black Adam, he's going to be playing the Scorpion King. I'm really thinking this movie is going to be a "fun" movie that's probably going to get screwed over a need to cram tons of extraneous shit in it or failing to meet box office expectations.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 23, 2014, 05:44:26 pm
These are the same people who cast Ben Affleck as seriously brooding DKR but only kinda sorta Batman instead of a goofier, less brooding but still with some hard edges that would play to his strengths as an actor. I just can't believe they're not gonna screw this up. :(
Also the creator Gotham explained the reason why Poison Ivy's real name was changed from Pamela Isley to Ivy Pepper, which is that "If you just re-tell stories exactly as they’ve been told before, whilst you’re being true to the created mythology, you’re not really adding anything to it." (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/21/gotham-creator-addresses-the-curious-name-change/) He then goes on to explain her backstory in the show, which is new. Which... doesn't really make sense? Nobody was asking about the backstory, just the name. Why is the name different, it's a worse name, and there doesn't seem to be any relation between the new backstory and the new name (I mean like maybe he wanted to hint at it but didn't want to spoil that, I dunno, she changes her name at the orphanage and that signals her descent into villainy for some reason) and it just seems pretty weird!
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Post by: Iced on July 23, 2014, 05:51:03 pm
they changed her name so someone can go "that girl is poison, poison ivy" , you dork.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 23, 2014, 05:55:26 pm
Shush, I just wrote a paragraph about the changed name of a fictional character on a TV show, dont jelous
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Post by: Nero D. on July 23, 2014, 10:18:56 pm
Nah. I can't see him doing well with that at all. Sure, it might be more "racially accurate", but who gives a shit about that. There are plenty of people who can play ancient Egyptian dudes, but the Rock is just much more suited to a charismatic, over-the-top, and kinda silly hero, more than he is a brooding villain and sometimes anti-hero.
oh no, i wasnt speaking on or going for racial accuracy, i just think black adam is better
thats not to say the fucking rock will not play an awesome captain marvelshazam (fucking really) because he will and i would enjoy it (probably the only thing i would enjoy in this ever-increasing pile of excrement), just always thought black adam was better
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 24, 2014, 09:16:42 am
Ah sorry, that part was directed at Sky, not you. Could've been worded better.
Yeah Black Adam is pretty neat but I dunno maybe I'm just going through mutilation fatigue and Black Adams seemed like, for a while, Geoff Johns's vessel of fufilling his love of having people be brutally murdered by people with super-strength and or have their arm(s) ripped off. Before all that, when he was mostly on the side of good, on the JSA, was great. But even with all that I like the Big Red Cheese better, the concept is just so perfect!
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 24, 2014, 11:23:05 am
Our first look at Arsenal (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10347715_330117717154212_5862696349915384395_n.jpg?oh=394b58830b6d1acd5aaf34d33a8b840c&oe=54383CAC&__gda__=1412708038_c3b1e4bb9b1134672e077d71a2eba19e)
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Post by: Iced on July 24, 2014, 10:49:40 pm
Why would Johnson be a good Marvel? He looks nothing like him.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2014, 03:18:36 am
Let's see, he's a big, muscley dude, has boatloads of charisma and charm, and excels at playing earnest, over the top action roles. He looks like Captain Marvel, and he's got the skills to play him! Also, new Batfleck stuff. (http://i.imgur.com/2fArldp.jpg) I gotta say, I'm liking this look much better than TDK(R) one. They've gone back to the solid head piece (which means no more head turning), but I think it just looks better being a solid piece. The thinner neck of the one from TDK made Bale's head look fat. :-\
Besides, they can always shoot things to avoid exposing the fact that the neck can't turn!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 25, 2014, 03:22:05 am
He looks like Captain Marvel, and he's got the skills to play him!
Man crushing are we?
How doe he remotely look like Captain Marvel? Besides, it'll be great to see him play a villain in a movie that doesn't suck..................Wait, ah damn it.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2014, 03:26:39 am
He's a big muscley dude. I think I'm repeating myself.
but yeah, dude's fucking stacked. Captain Marvel should be stacked, have a real physical presence and stuff. And the Rock's built like a Greek god or something. And say, Captain Marvel gets some of his powers from Greek gods! And also a Roman one, because acronyms!
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Post by: Sky79 on July 25, 2014, 03:28:48 am
He's a big muscley dude. I think I'm repeating myself.
but yeah, dude's fucking stacked. Like a Greek god or something. And say, Captain Marvel gets some of his powers from Greek gods! And also a Roman one, because acronyms!
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2014, 03:31:31 am
Oh gimme a break. The Rock's skin color is completely and utterly unimportant when it comes to Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel doesn't need to be any one race; he's not Black Panther or anything. His backstory wouldn't change if he wasn't white. He's a magical being that a little boy turns into. Who gives a shit if the Rock doesn't match up ethnicity wise with the usual depiction of Captain Marvel?
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Post by: Sky79 on July 25, 2014, 03:35:29 am
Because the point of good casting, is bringing in the right actor to suit the character, not your wet dreams.
Because the point of good casting, is bringing in the right actor to suit the character, not your wet dreams.
The Rock plays Captain Marvel types all the time. His build matches up with Captain Marvel. He is skilled at playing characters similar to Captain Marvel, and is clearly interested in playing someone in the Captain Marvel mythos. Disqualifying him because the color of his skin is absolutely absurd, especially for a magically created character.
but hey, keep on with those insinuations about me crushing on the Rock, makes you look like a real fucking adult!
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Post by: Iced on July 25, 2014, 03:39:04 am
Because the point of good casting, is bringing in the right actor to suit the character, not your wet dreams.
He's 'Black Atom'..........you'll be fine
I dont understand why you keep trying to imply he has a man crush on the Rock as if somehow that made any sense. Dwayne is a great actor and he just did Hercules. One doesnt have to be sexually aroused by an actor in order to want to see him take part in something as a hero.
Trying to dismiss someone over "well you probably want to bang him" doesnt really work outside of third grade arguments.
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Post by: Roman55 on July 25, 2014, 03:41:48 am
He's a big muscley dude. I think I'm repeating myself.
It's for this reason I personally think he'd be fine for either one (though I'd like to see him as Adam cause I think he'd be a cool bad guy). For marketing reasons alone however, they might just cast him as Captain MarvelShazam Billy Batson's superheroic alter ego.
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Post by: Sky79 on July 25, 2014, 03:43:53 am
Not that he needs to but the rock can look black or tanned white anyway. Or at least back when he was a wrestler he could.
Are you saying The Rock has a mutant ability?!?!?! That's Marvel's thing!
and as far as I know there has not been any gene bombs set off, so don't be bringing up metahumans, there hasn't been any INVASION!'s by the Dominators yet!
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Post by: Sky79 on July 25, 2014, 04:01:59 am
Why would he 'need' to look white? He's perfect just the way he is.
Ok, lets calm down and be methodical about this, why would be a bad choice for B.A?
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Post by: Iced on July 25, 2014, 04:02:32 am
black atom or black adam?
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Post by: Berry on July 25, 2014, 04:03:03 am
My. Fucking. God.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 25, 2014, 04:04:25 am
Let's see, he's a big, muscley dude, has boatloads of charisma and charm, and excels at playing earnest, over the top action roles.
AAAAnd he looks similar :pimp:
I'm very pleased.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2014, 04:16:04 am
Earnest and over the top are not exactly the best qualities to describe Black Adam, the cold, murderous, humorous, and deeply vengeful immortal who has no compunctions about using his literal godly powers to their fullest extent.
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Post by: Iced on July 25, 2014, 04:19:33 am
oh my god why are you still replying he has no idea who the char is, he calls him atom, he just keeps arguing because he thinks you are getting annoyed its a goddamn jla movie with a set villain, ofc they are not hiring rock for a one off part as the villain of the week that will share screentime with the other villains and the jla cast
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2014, 04:20:54 am
There was an alleged leaked list of DC's upcoming movies that had Shazam coming out in 2016; now would be the time they start casting for that. :P
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Post by: Sky79 on July 25, 2014, 04:24:26 am
The cowl looks okay, I like it. But sad Batman is looking ridiculous. I just can't take him seriously with this sad look.
it looks like they did it for the meme potential but the internet noticed and is not playing along.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 26, 2014, 07:53:44 am
You say that, but(t)... (http://www.avclub.com/article/lets-photoshop-new-image-ben-afflecks-batman-becau-207339) (http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5179/32/original/640.jpg)
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Post by: Thedge on July 26, 2014, 03:47:00 pm
Well, he has TPS, you shouldn't be mocking him.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 26, 2014, 07:25:57 pm
Replaced with HD image. The kind of journalism you can trust!
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Post by: QuickFist on July 26, 2014, 07:29:19 pm
Better than I imagined, but stilll...
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Post by: Bea on July 26, 2014, 07:38:30 pm
What the heck are going with those absurd heels?
Where is her muscle mass, her imposing height, her presence? Sorry, that ain't Wonder Woman.
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Post by: QuickFist on July 26, 2014, 07:40:43 pm
Of course is not, after getting Man of Murder and Sad Batman, we get Weak Wonder Woman
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Post by: GTOAkira on July 26, 2014, 07:41:55 pm
She missing the presence wonderwoman have but I think We have to wait for a trailer to see how she look in action
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 26, 2014, 07:43:40 pm
Yeah those heels are bullshit, but that's probably the only way she doesn't end up looking tiny next to Affleck and Cavill. Hell, they were all on stage and Cavill's like an inch or two shorter than Affleck.
Also, my opinion stays at a resounding 'meh'.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 26, 2014, 08:09:45 pm
It looks... surprisingly decent?
I mean, besides the complete lack of any and all color, because this is a deeply serious and realistic movie about a man dressed as a Dracula fighting Space Jesus and also a warrior princess is there. And those giant fucking heels, Christ.
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Post by: Mechy on July 26, 2014, 08:16:16 pm
Bleh
For all the talk about how she was gonna buff up for the role, guess not.
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Post by: Lord Kain on July 26, 2014, 08:18:03 pm
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Post by: Lord Kain on July 26, 2014, 08:22:09 pm
Looks like a suit made of duct tape
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Post by: Iced on July 26, 2014, 08:53:45 pm
well this thread needs some positive spirit. i must say i enjoy how that face shot has lenses for bat eyes, its a change they needed to do for a while now.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 26, 2014, 08:57:56 pm
Based on the teaser trailer, he does indeed have the white eyes when he's in the Miller armor at least.
, because this is a deeply serious and realistic movie about a man dressed as a Dracula fighting Space Jesus and also a warrior princess is there. And those giant fucking heels, Christ.
*snickers* You nailed it.
Lame as hell, look out kids, she's got her angry eyes on lol
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Post by: Iced on July 26, 2014, 09:35:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6S2wGcb.jpg) lmbo
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Post by: GOH on July 26, 2014, 10:04:41 pm
If I didn't know this was the DC movie thread I wouldn't know that was Wonder Woman.
She looks so bland and stripped of color.
Bleh.
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Post by: Bea on July 26, 2014, 10:52:30 pm
Funny... you add colour and suddenly it doesn't look as terrible. It is almost passable... Of course, colour doesn't solve that ridiculous heels problem.
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Post by: Sky79 on July 26, 2014, 11:16:27 pm
I just played a prank on my life partner, I showed the photoshop version first, the first words were-
"She didn't do anything; she still looks like a stick...Why is she wearing heels, I thought you said she's an Amazon?"
I then scrolled up to the real one-
"That, is the real one? *I nod yes* It's horrible, she sucks"
I lol'ed so hard
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Post by: Iced on July 26, 2014, 11:27:50 pm
The photoshop version actually has linda carter face. :P
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Post by: Iced on July 27, 2014, 04:49:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOd8byxdjwQ
(http://i.imgur.com/1FWzvKj.png)
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 27, 2014, 05:41:46 am
Sandman movie is in preproduction. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/25/the-sandman-movie-in-pre-production-and-no-more-signings-for-neil-gaiman/) Unfortunately.
Guillermo del Toro‘s Justice League Dark movie (now apparently called Dark Universe) apparently is still happening, (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/26/batman-superman-green-lantern-everyone-eventually-will-come-together/) but who knows with his schedule.
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Post by: Sky79 on July 27, 2014, 04:18:16 pm
Depends on which Sandman, the 'Shadow' archetype or the Tim Burton bull$hit one.
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Post by: Iced on July 27, 2014, 04:40:09 pm
you are one of the 2 people that thought sandman by neil gaiman was bad? sorry to break your heart but they are adapting the award winning series not the shadow rip off.
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Post by: Bea on July 27, 2014, 04:42:10 pm
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Post by: Sky79 on July 27, 2014, 05:16:31 pm
That was not Superman :brood:
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Post by: Mechy on July 27, 2014, 05:25:43 pm
If that robot suit is your only protection you have against the dude who can down major cities by flying through them, do so at insane speed and shoot fucking laser beams from his eyes, you might want to cover up your chin.
Or better yet, not fucking fight him in the first place.
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Post by: Person Man on July 27, 2014, 05:35:09 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava-4.png[/avatar]Oh good, it's rainy and gritty and dark and angsty and 'mature.'
Because god forbid superheroes actually seem fun or anything. The very idea. >_>
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Post by: Sky79 on July 27, 2014, 05:42:37 pm
If that robot suit is your only protection you have against the dude who can down major cities by flying through them, do so at insane speed and shoot fucking laser beams from his eyes, you might want to cover up your chin.
Or better yet, not fucking fight him in the first place.
Wouldn't matter, the only way this can remotely work is if they bring in Kryptonite. Honestly though, It's surprising that no one is upset at the way they're presenting Superman here. "Man of Murder" fits here.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Woman: "Thank you for saving me Superma- Wait, do I know you?"
Superman: "Oh...um no I just have one of those faces"
Woman: "No, I've seen you before. Aren't you a reporter?"
Superman: Uh, n-no, you ......uh........must be mistaken, I'm not--"
Woman: "You're Clark Kent right?!? Wow, didn't know you have such a great build to you! I can't wait to tell al my fre---"
*Super Neck snap*
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Mechy on July 27, 2014, 05:50:54 pm
Even with kryptonite Batman is fucked.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 27, 2014, 10:32:24 pm
This batman, yea, but lets face facts.
They'll face off, fight for scene, face a big bad, realize they have to work together and end up 'friends' with a Gal "Le-twig" Wonder Woman in toe.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 27, 2014, 10:34:37 pm
vidoe link is dead, so it is again before it dies [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EynyCfuUbs[/youtube]
also, Ra's Motherfucken al Ghul!! [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKE36sL6jKc[/youtube]
OH MY GOD!! :O
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2014, 06:26:41 am
Another wonderful, though provoking conversation with Sky79. Truly a pleasure. Another preview of the 100% straight Constantine show:
apparently Jim Corrigan is gonna appear? Maybe he'll get murdered or something, maybe become bonded to an Angel, becoming the literal Wrath of God? Maybe appear as a ghostly white-fleshed man dressed only in a speedo, some boots and gloves, and a hooded cape? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_%28comics%29)
Well, probably not so much that last part.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 28, 2014, 06:53:51 am
They'll probably keep the cloak and the white eyes, not so much the green. But eh, looks cool. I didn't watch the leak, so I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2014, 06:54:53 am
What about completely nude Spectre from Kingdom Come, clad only in the cloak?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 28, 2014, 07:00:06 am
As long as John shows suitable disinterest in what's going on under the cloak, I think they'll allow it!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 28, 2014, 07:04:49 am
Alternatively it could be that Warner has been lying and there will be crossovers between the shows, and the Jim Corrigan in Constantine will be the corrupt cop from Gotham (Central) who for some reason has the same name as a murdered cop from the 40's who became the Spirit of Vengeance (no, the other one) and who later murdered another cop who became the next host for said Spirit of Vengeance!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on July 29, 2014, 12:53:21 am
results are in, dc won comic con http://www.comicbookmovie.com/convention_news/comic-con/news/?a=104668
marvel is over
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Thedge on July 29, 2014, 01:11:35 am
Well, yeah, it was talked a lot, but they should search for how many of those mentions uses "will never watch it", "stupid" and "shit" in the same paragraph.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Tyrant Belial on July 29, 2014, 02:58:38 am
Lol, Intent to view covers that, almost no one actually wants to go so it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 30, 2014, 06:31:19 am
Well, yeah, it was talked a lot, but they should search for how many of those mentions uses "will never watch it", "stupid" and "shit" in the same paragraph.
Lol, Intent to view covers that, almost no one actually wants to go so it.
Indeed, one research firm has said that only 10% of the people tweeting have any intent to actually watch it (http://www.wired.com/2014/07/batman-v-superman-twitter/), behind both ratings juggernaut The Walking Dead and extremely gay cult show Teen Wolf (and I'm not using gay to mean dumb, I mean it is incredibly homoerotic and has multiple gay characters and conspires to have its male cast shirtless as much as possible)
unfortunately even that firm said that Marvel still lost to DC :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on July 31, 2014, 05:04:01 am
If it makes anyone feel better, AMC is disappointed in both camps-
Marvel for saying NOTHING about Dr. Strange and DC for Gal Gadot clearly skipping on her workouts- Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qotvpzJf1X4) WARNING: ZACK SNYDER talks/jokes for 2 minutes and 30 seconds before bringing out the people we actually want to see.
I am seriously starting to think they photoshoped muscle on that WW pic, this woman is still a twig.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 31, 2014, 05:40:57 am
So I was gonna come in here and post and article about Bruce Timm returning to direct a DC animated movie to cheer everyone up but they updated the article to say "lol whoops that's not happening at all we misunderstood" so uh, fuck?
goddammit, I was really looking forward to a new Timm-DC joint. :brood:
Oh, OK, here's something else: J. R. Ramirez was cast as Wildcat in Arrow. (http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/arrow-j-r-ramirez-wildcat-casting-cw/) Which is absolutely terrible, another white character is being played by a nonwhite actor! I must away to mine fainting couch!
although honestly, I mean like I know Arrow is a CW show so everyone needs to be a gorgeous young person (or a gorgeous middle-aged person but not like too middle-aged), but I'm kinda disappointed they went with so young an actor. And if they wanted a younger Wildcat, why not use Yolanda Montez, and have Ted Grant be her mentor or something? That way you'd get a kickass female hero too!
But it looks like they're just gonna use him as a mentor for Laurel Lance (that's the Lance sister that everyone hates and isn't Black Canary and everyone is incredibly scared will take over as Canary if her much, much cooler sister dies, right?), which just seems like a waste.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 31, 2014, 07:15:32 am
It's because he's a love interest for Laurel. Which is somewhat of a comic-inspired thing I guess but really because shipping has proven to be good business.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on July 31, 2014, 08:43:12 am
If it makes anyone feel better, AMC is disappointed in both camps-
Marvel for saying NOTHING about Dr. Strange and DC for Gal Gadot clearly skipping on her workouts- Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qotvpzJf1X4) WARNING: ZACK SNYDER talks/jokes for 2 minutes and 30 seconds before bringing out the people we actually want to see.
I am seriously starting to think they photoshoped muscle on that WW pic, this woman is still a twig.
Oh dear goodness... she looks like a twig on that video. They clearly photoshoped muscle on the WW pick.
So much for hoping she would hit the gym to play the part... :/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on July 31, 2014, 08:48:15 am
It's because he's a love interest for Laurel. Which is somewhat of a comic-inspired thing I guess but really because shipping has proven to be good business.
When I first saw the casting I thought one of the reasons they went younger was to add a love triangle or quadrangle or whatever to the Green Arrow/Felicity relationship, but then the description of the role just talked about him training not-Black Canary and I forgot about it. Because I just think of it as a relationship between Black Canary II and Wildcat (who trained her) and he's basically an uncle to her and eww.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 01, 2014, 03:16:52 am
Oh, OK, here's something else: J. R. Ramirez was cast as Wildcat in Arrow. (http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/arrow-j-r-ramirez-wildcat-casting-cw/) Which is absolutely terrible, another white character is being played by a nonwhite actor! I must away to mine fainting couch!
Wildcat needs a reboot, from the ground up anyway, I wouldn't have done it like this............ but eh.
Oh dear goodness... she looks like a twig on that video. They clearly photoshoped muscle on the WW pick.
So much for hoping she would hit the gym to play the part... :/
Between Snyder's jibbajabba and seeing miss 'Le-twig', the host was the perfect fit. If there's anyone who knows about a project being driven into the ground, it's Chris Hardwick.
The whole thing was sad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 01, 2014, 09:07:53 am
Wildcat needs no reboot. He works perfectly well as a nonpowered street level hero who was active during WWII and has since gone on to teach everyone from Batman to Black Canary how to fight. He works great as a remnant of the old guard, and one who is still actively involved with teaching and inspiring the next generation of heroes.
... or at least, that's how it used to work. Thanks nu52!
I'm not really sure what the problem with the tape is; he's a boxer, and he doesn't have rich murdered parents. The tape makes sense both as a design element (calling attention to his boxer nature) and as a character element (he's an ordinary dude who made his costume out of what he had).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 01, 2014, 11:43:19 pm
I'm not really sure what the problem with the tape is; he's a boxer, and he doesn't have rich murdered parents. The tape makes sense both as a design element (calling attention to his boxer nature) and as a character element (he's an ordinary dude who made his costume out of what he had).
You really want to get into this?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Edtion on August 02, 2014, 01:15:41 am
I want you two to get in to it...preferably in the DC Comics Universe thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/dc-comics-universe-maybe-discussion-129921.740.html) but where ever you want works.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 03:13:32 am
Well I already laid out why I think it makes sense, so I'm good. But if Sky wants to continue complaining about incredibly minor shit that no one else would ever in a million years have a problem with, he can really get into it in either thread, really.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 03:15:02 am
I think that's a 'no' on your end.
Pffffffff
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 03:17:07 am
Well I'm glad you're able to so eloquently argue your point.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 03:20:07 am
If you're game, I am as well J.
See you there.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on August 02, 2014, 09:29:58 pm
Nah, they're filming in Detroit, it always looks like that.
... god Detroit jokes are depressing, it's such a shitty situation for its residents, sorry :(
now I had this mental picture of superman/apocaliptic movies being filmed on detroit to save money (since it always looks like that), then detroit becomes rich adn gets fixed, the studios abandon it and it becoems poor again and the cycle repeats itself.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 05, 2014, 01:06:13 am
Yo mods, would someone mind splitting this off, I don't want to derail this topic by yammering politics.
No. Literally no one wants to indulge your wretched Randian fantasies. Let's just nip this in the bud.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 05, 2014, 02:30:46 am
Every single time I come to the Marvel/DC threads around here it's all about Sky complaining about irrelevant shit and trolling Jmorphman and DKDC with endless arguments that go nowhere fast. And when he's finally unable to keep his shit going on due to having no idea what to use on his favor to continue he just ignores the posts (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2000703) and moves on to the next baseless argument where he takes something out of context to trigger another fight.
No wonder I barely come to the Art & Entertainment threads nowadays. It's freaking irritating and boring. He's been the same for the last 4 years, I fail to see why people still pay attention to him and his trolling and dare to take him seriously at this point (Because seriously, I really hope he's actually trolling which would at least explain his behavior).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 05, 2014, 02:33:38 am
I don't think that it's trolling so much as he's got a weird boner for JM.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 05, 2014, 02:36:39 am
Would think the same if this were the only thread/section where he did that shit in the last 4 years.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Titiln on August 05, 2014, 02:38:22 am
he's a fucking terrible poster but it's not fair to say art & entertainment is shit because he posts in these threads. there are several threads he has no participation in
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 05, 2014, 02:40:32 am
These two/three threads have been my only real interaction with Sky in the last few months, ever, at least as far as I can recall. And I regret spending my time responding. But the lesson learned was better late then never, I guess?
he's a fucking terrible poster but it's not fair to say art & entertainment is shit because he posts in these threads. there are several threads he has no participation in
Yeah I know, but the DC/Marvel threads around here are the only ones I really care about and well... the whole thing ruins the experience :| . Can't complain about the rest of the section though.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 05, 2014, 03:05:47 am
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 10, 2014, 09:58:21 pm
Apparently someone claiming to be Zack Snyder called into a morning zoo radio show (http://www.avclub.com/article/zack-snyder-thinks-people-should-stop-making-fun-a-207960) that was in the middle of making fun of Aquaman to tell them all that umm actually Aquaman is totally cool, and, uh, his trident could totally “cut the flesh of Superman if they came in contact”, now stop making fun of him, guys, stop.
So moving beyond the fact that "Aquaman could cut the flesh of Superman with his trident if they came in contact" is the most Zack Snyderian defense (http://www.avclub.com/article/zack-snyder-thinks-people-should-stop-making-fun-a-207960#comment-1534366840) of Aquaman imaginable, if that was in fact Zack Snyder, then Aquaman is probably going to, uh, "cut the flesh" of Superman in Batman, Superman and the V: Day at the Beach, right?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 12, 2014, 10:34:48 pm
Guillermo del Toro talks Justice League Dark, which is apparently still happening (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/08/12/guillermo-del-toro-talks-justice-league-dark-and-he-will-be-watching-constantine/) (he has so many other projects, I don't want to see him get sweeped up in the terribleness of DC's movies!).
Anyways, he mentions a line up of the standard magic/occult DC characters who shuttle back and forth between the DC and Vertigo imprints; you've got your Etrigan the Demons, you've got your Deadmen, your Swamp Things, your Zatannas, your Constantines, your... wait, the Floronic Man? Whaaaaat???
The Floronic Man started off as an Atom villain but is more known for antagonizing Swamp Thing. Was del Toro just mentioning names period or specifically the heroes on the JL Dark team?
Also, sadly, The Spectre will not appear in the JLD movie, but will on the Constantine show. Which is so lame, big budget special effects Spectre would be amazing, just imagine, him growing bigger than the planet Earth to fight giant demons and turning arsonists into giant candles and lighting them as punishments for their crimes, it would be so cool!
A final tidbit is that the Constantine show will not cross over at all with the JLD movie, but del Toro is looking into maybe casting the TV show's Constantine as the movie version and having the show and movie actually cross over after all, maybe? That's pretty weird.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: AS1_ on August 12, 2014, 11:02:59 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 13, 2014, 08:38:59 am
Warner Bros. gave the assignment to write Aquaman to two different people, and the best script will be used. (http://www.avclub.com/article/warner-bros-hires-two-aquaman-writers-holding-tryo-208085) The two screenwriters are... the guy who wrote Gangster Squad and the dude who wrote the 300 sequel.
Jesus Christ.
edit: fucked up the tags
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on August 13, 2014, 06:04:09 pm
how outrageous do you think they are gonna make him?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 13, 2014, 06:53:57 pm
Warner Bros. gave the assignment to write Aquaman to two different people, and the best script will be used.[/url] The two screenwriters are... the guy who wrote Gangster Squad and the dude who wrote the 300 sequel.
Jesus Christ.
Well I haven't seen Gangster Squad so I guess I vote for that guy?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 13, 2014, 08:57:08 pm
Apparently Gangster Squad is even worse than 300-2!!!
Title: Dwayne The Rock johnson confirmed for Shazzam movie
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on August 20, 2014, 12:23:41 am
UH-OH! he better be playing Black Adam!! :twisted:
Read here http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54941
Title: Re: Dwayne The Rock johnson confirmed for Shazzam movie
Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2014, 12:26:09 am
He better play Captain Marvel because it would so perfectly fit his talents, much, much more than Black Adam.
Title: Re: Dwayne The Rock johnson confirmed for Shazzam movie
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 20, 2014, 12:32:19 am
Good fucking luck finding a kid who looks like The Rock to portray Billy Batson.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2014, 12:34:01 am
It'll be a dual role, they'll use the same technology as that bizarre Wayans brothers movie Little Man, CGIing his head on a smaller person's body.
Title: Re: Dwayne The Rock johnson confirmed for Shazzam movie
Post by: Sky79 on August 20, 2014, 12:38:56 am
Good fucking luck finding a kid who looks like The Rock to portray Billy Batson.
Jaden Smith hahaha
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2014, 12:52:13 am
Billy Batson never really looked like Captain Marvel in the comics.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2014, 12:53:29 am
Eh, sometimes the idea has been that Cap looks like an older version of himself (I think Kingdom Come even had them drawn identically, because Billy was all grown up), or even sometimes Cap looks like his dad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2014, 12:59:29 am
That would be a logical choice, it's just that it nearly never happened, so I wouldn't think of it as an issue if they didn't do it this time around either.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2014, 01:01:31 am
It would depend on how they're treating the Billy-Cap relationship (is Cap a separate persona sorta influenced by Billy? is Cap literally just Billy's mind but with the wisdom of Solomon?), I guess.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 20, 2014, 01:09:04 am
You're overthinking this, just cast someone that looks like the actor playing him.
A complete unknown would be best.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 20, 2014, 01:11:44 am
Billy Batson never really looked like Captain Marvel in the comics.
52's Captain Marvel is identical to his Billy Batson form. Pretty certain it has always been that way.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2014, 01:23:37 am
Shazam's got the big square jaw like good ol' Superman and Batman (compared to Black Adam's meaner, more elongated, but still square, jawline), Billy usually has a pointed chin. IINM, in N52, Billy is a bit older and more street tough or whatever, so he was probably given tougher traits, but it never struck me as "it's the same face but older" so much as "new art direction". But yeah, they probably look closer to each other in N52.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 20, 2014, 01:27:18 am
The Rock Confirms His DC Superhero Role (http://news.moviefone.com/2014/08/19/the-rock-confirms-dc-superhero-role/)
"Then again, maybe now he's leaning more toward Black Adam, as he told the AP that he is a fan of antiheroes. Either way, Johnson has been enjoying teasing fans with the news, as evidenced by this recent tweet"
;D
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 20, 2014, 01:28:38 am
Shazam's got the big square jaw like good ol' Superman and Batman (compared to Black Adam's meaner, more elongated, but still square, jawline), Billy usually has a pointed chin. IINM, in N52, Billy is a bit older and more street tough or whatever, so he was probably given tougher traits, but it never struck me as "it's the same face but older" so much as "new art direction". But yeah, they probably look closer to each other in N52.
Billy Batson will get chin implants when he grows up and his Captain Marvel form is merely capturing that change because magic time travel powers or something!!!
No-prize please!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2014, 01:43:52 am
Looked up the N52 version... (http://t.imgbox.com/fjc7jah4.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/fjc7jah4) Okay, they're identical. there's also the "Brave and The Bold" version that draws Billy with a much thicker face too.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Nero D. on August 20, 2014, 01:50:29 am
lantern jaws are usually reserved for grown men, it wouldn't be odd at all to see billy himself without one
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Mechy on August 20, 2014, 09:15:30 pm
The Rock is actually playing Steamboat.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on August 21, 2014, 01:52:23 am
The Rock as Captain Marvel YEAAAHHH!!! :buttrox: And here's an interview (http://www.playboy.com/playground/view/20q-frank-miller) with the legend Frank Miller.
Quote
"When people come out with movies about characters I’ve worked on, I always hate them. I have my own ideas about what the characters are like. I mean, I can’t watch a Batman movie. I’ve seen pieces of them, but I generally think, No, that’s not him. And I walk out of the theater before it’s over." [...] "I’m not condemning what he (Nolan) does. I don’t even understand it, except that he seems to think he owns the title Dark Knight. [laughs] He’s about 20 years too late for that. It’s been used." [...] "The Dark Knight series is all from Batman’s point of view. But if you look at Dark Knight 2, you’ll see a Superman who’s much calmer than the one in the first Dark Knight. Batman and Superman are dead opposites. I love Superman. Do I love Batman more? They’re not people. They’re only lines on paper."
EDIT: Photo showing off the Superman uniform in Batman V Superman:
Spoiler: Click if you want to see...(click to see content)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 03:01:41 pm
the black jacket fits the character, I am pleased with tihs development, very nineties.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 03:13:48 pm
I bet it's a reference to Smallville when Tom Welling got confused and thought he was playing Batman, standing on top of gargoyles and wearing a black coat.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 22, 2014, 06:15:19 pm
Joseph Gordon-Levitt gave an update on the Sandman movie: (http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/21/joseph-gordon-levitt-is-still-chugging-along-on-sandman) there still isn't a script but it seems like Goyer isn't writing it (yay) but he's still involved (boo).
The article goes on to speculate that the movie might be in trouble because there's still no script, after almost a year since it was announced..
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on August 23, 2014, 02:36:44 am
I bet it's a reference to Smallville when Tom Welling got confused and thought he was playing Batman, standing on top of gargoyles and wearing a black coat.
Don't forget the bright red,coat (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/redcoat.jpg), you know, the one that looks like it's made out of 'Fruit Roll'ups', that way he doesn't stand out.........ugh
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Mechy on August 23, 2014, 04:06:12 am
Superman rocking the mass murderer look. It fits, can't deny that.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2014, 04:10:46 am
He's already got a taste for it!!!
also, it really kills me to see shots of the Superman costume, without all the filters. It's so... bright and colorful, like it should be! It's just depressing to think about how it will be made lifeless and boring under a barrage of shitty filters. :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Person Man on August 27, 2014, 11:31:17 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava-4.png[/avatar]So the latest rumor swirling around is that WB is enforcing a strict "No Jokes" policy (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137074-warner-bros-no-jokes-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice) for all of it's DCCU movies in order to differentiate themselves from Marvel's efforts. Because Spandex Alien Jesus vs Clown-Punching Dracula Man is super-duper serious Grown-Up stuff.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2014, 11:33:54 pm
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
holy shit they're so terrible at everything
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2014, 11:35:10 pm
in order to differentiate themselves from Marvel's efforts
That's right folks, let's do exactly the opposite of those other guys who make smashing successes all year long.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2014, 11:39:44 pm
They should differentiate their movies, but in ways that actually make sense and compliment their strengths. Banning jokes and terribly aping Nolan Batman isn't the way to do it, that's for sure.
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Post by: Roman55 on August 27, 2014, 11:43:52 pm
Why bother putting jokes in movies that are gonna be jokes to begin with?
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Post by: Iced on August 27, 2014, 11:46:01 pm
didnt man of steel had that joke in the ending where a female soldier comments on him being really hot just a minute after you see a city completely totaled into shit?
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Post by: JustNoPoint on August 27, 2014, 11:46:44 pm
I'm fine with this news. All I can do is hope they keep doing things to make them crappy enough that they don't pop the superhero movie bubble.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2014, 11:49:08 pm
But they're totally going to at this rate! They have too many films in development right now!!!
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Post by: JustNoPoint on August 27, 2014, 11:54:17 pm
If they are not good it shouldn't hurt anything. It'll just make their own movies sell bad. Fun movies from Marvel shouldn't take a huge hit from their garbage unless ppl actually like them enough to want to choose to watch it or another movie.
I hope!
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Post by: Bea on August 27, 2014, 11:55:12 pm
Oh good... they are working hard to make their films fail now. Good.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 28, 2014, 12:05:12 am
If they are not good it shouldn't hurt anything. It'll just make their own movies sell bad. Fun movies from Marvel shouldn't take a huge hit from their garbage unless ppl actually like them enough to want to choose to watch it or another movie.
I hope!
I think there's a very real danger of the market crashing for superhero movies; Marvel knows what they're doing, and in a vacuum they could probably keep it going indefinitely. But with Sony, Fox, and Warner all lumbering around with really no idea how to copy the success of Avengers, there's going to be a near constant flood of superhero movies out throughout the year, all of questionable quality. And that's a recipe for disaster.
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Post by: Thedge on August 28, 2014, 12:19:36 am
I don't know about the market crash, we've been flooded with superhero movies since the first Spiderman, and watching the near future it doesn't look as crowded as 2005's Elektra, Constantine, The Crow: Wicked Prayer, Son of the Mask, The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D, The Legend of Zorro, Batman Begins, Fantastic Four, Man-Thing, Sky High and V for Vendetta.
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Post by: Byakko on August 28, 2014, 12:20:46 am
It kind of feels to me like more and more people are aware of the differences between the big players. The real Disney/Marvel movies are the good ones, the Sony/Fox Marvel movies seem to still have a good public, casual - I want to say those who watch Michael Bay movies (not caring much for the big universe and just going for the pretty picture and cool visual ideas like the time travel thing from DoFP, or Hugh Jackman), and the DC movies are the Nolan Batman movies. There are still movie sites that think the Fox and Sony movies are done by Marvel and claim that Marvel is doing way too many movies, but aside from that, I'm under the impression that they all have their well defined public and everyone knows what they're going to watch.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 28, 2014, 12:34:59 am
I don't know about the market crash, we've been flooded with superhero movies since the first Spiderman, and watching the near future it doesn't look as crowded as 2005's Elektra, Constantine, The Crow: Wicked Prayer, Son of the Mask, The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D, The Legend of Zorro, Batman Begins, Fantastic Four, Man-Thing, Sky High and V for Vendetta.
Well, to the general audience stuff like Constantine and V For Vendetta aren't known to be comic book movies (I wouldn't describe then as superhero movies in the least); of that list, I think only Fantastic Four, Elektra, and Batman would really be seen as "superhero movies", with Sharkboy and Lavagirl and Sky High being seen as superhero-adjacent, but with greater emphasis on being them being kid movies. As for the rest, Zorro is totally a superhero, he wears a fucking mask, but he's never really been considered one; The Crow and Man-Thing were too low profile; Son of the Mask isn't really a superhero movie at all).
We are gonna hit peak superhero sometime soon, Sony and Fox are going to have at least one movie out per year (Fox might have at least two); Marvel of course puts out 2 a year (and will be doing 3 in 2017), and Warner is following suit with Marvel. That's a lot of movies, and eventually the bubble will burst. It's happened to every hot genre; superhero movies will never really go away, but the amount we're getting right now is just not sustainable in the long run.
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Post by: Iced on September 03, 2014, 06:05:17 pm
SHAZAM IS DEAD
Now on the great dark movie DAWN OF JUSTICE meet the anti hero the world needs , BLACK ADAM. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=122567
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Post by: GOH on September 03, 2014, 06:11:03 pm
Shazam movie, Scene 24
Black Adam: "Bob..."
Shazam: "But my name's Billy!"
Black Adam: "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!"
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Post by: Iced on September 04, 2014, 05:02:47 pm
SHAZAM! now that black adam is confirmed in JLA they confirm, SHAZAM the character wont be part of the dc cinematic universe and instead standalone with another tone alltogether.
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Post by: Byakko on September 04, 2014, 05:23:21 pm
It'll be about real life problems with a bit of powers thrown in, just you watch. It'll have Billy fixing his life with his newfound magical powers, rather than an actual superhero. Like some movie of a kid who befriends a robot or an alien, or a kid who finds a magic lamp.
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Post by: Sky79 on September 05, 2014, 01:49:50 am
Yo Bea, J, Joe Manganiello for Captain Marvel, what do you think?
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 02:04:08 am
But yeah, such depressing news. A terrible mix of such promising signs of hope (Captain Marvel isn't gonna get lumped in the same universe as Superman and suffer as a result! They'll focus on humor and have fun!) blended with the standard soul-sucking DC standard (the stakes have to be real! and depressing! and veiled putdowns of Marvel movies!). It's just sad to see so much promise present that is then beaten down into mediocrity or worse. Much like the casting of the Rock as Black Adam itself, I guess!
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Post by: Byakko on September 05, 2014, 02:35:48 am
The Rock is still Black Adam in the JL movie, he did confirm that (Iced's post before that one). This Shazam movie will be separated in its own universe, and most likely without The Rock, that's what this is saying.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 02:40:12 am
I'm pretty sure that's not the case; or at least, I can't find anything to that effect. The only information that's come out is that the Rock is Black Adam in something, and that there will be a Shazam movie that's not connected to the Batman Loves Mary Jane V. Superman: Away to the Dawnjustice movies. I think it's safe to say he'll be Black Adam in the Shazam movie, only.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 05, 2014, 02:50:26 am
Just to back up the previous post with official officialness, The Rock is only confirmed to be playing Black Adam in New Line's Shazam movie. (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/dwayne-johnson-to-play-black-adam-in-shazam-darren-lemke-to-script-exclusive-1201294338/)
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 07:33:17 am
This stuff isn't really DCCU (probably?) but I don't caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare unlike the MCU thread
There seems to be a Supergirl series in the works. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/04/so-what-is-actually-going-on-with-supergirl-or-super-or-girl/) Not sure what continuity, if any, it will take place in, but it does seem odd if it turns out to be standalone (I think you could probably make a relatively standalone Supergirl series, with only vague references to Superman, but I doubt that's what Warner will end up doing). Oh and like Arrow, this series will have a unique title to differentiate it from other versions of Supergirl; potential titles being considered include Super, and Girl.
Which is just... ugh. Why. What's wrong with Supergirl, Jesus fucking Christ. I mean, fine, you have your show about young Bruce Wayne that's an off-brand version of Gotham Central except missing the entire point, and you call it Gotham, fine, that's perfectly cromulent. You have your young Clark Kent show called Smallville, because you don't want to call him Superboy because that'd be silly and therefore awful, fine. Whatever. Then you have your Arrow because like Mars, Green was proven to be poisonous to popularity if included in a title, and you still refuse to call Oliver Queen "Green Arrow", so fine, whatever, still stupid but not as much. But Super? Or Girl? Holy fucking shit. Also, Arrow has cast it's Ra's Al Ghul: it's a white dude who is a former rugby player who's best known for his role in the third Riddick movie. (http://comicsalliance.com/arrow-ras-al-ghul-matthew-nable/) Now sure, casting Ra's is a tricky dilemma because, well, he's a Middle Eastern man who leads a giant terrorist organization that seeks to bring down all of civilization. So there's that. But that's no reason at all to deny the role to Middle Easterners, and is an especially terrible reason to cast a white guy with questionable acting experience as a substitute. I mean shit, at least Batman Begins had Liam fucking Neeson in the role.
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Post by: Neocide on September 05, 2014, 07:53:32 am
liam Neeson was on board to reprise his role too. if offered. I'm still annoyed he's coming in at all tbh. Stop giving arrow everyone else's villains.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 08:01:37 am
Even if Neeson was willing to work for SAG minimum wage (and I'm sure he'd be open to something like that, if he's on board reprising his role on a show on The CW of all places), he probably wouldn't have an open enough schedule for what the Arrow guys want to do with Ra's. He could probably do a few episodes, but I just can't see him taking off a whole 6 months (or however long a full season shooting schedule would be for this role, I have no idea how this stuff works!) and forgoing multiple movie opportunities for a relatively low-rated broadcast show.
I'm sure he'll be able to snag a voice over role as Ra's in some animated thing or video game, though. After all, who would turn down Liam Neeson?
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Post by: Neocide on September 05, 2014, 08:34:03 am
not anyone who wants to live to tell the tale.
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Post by: Byakko on September 05, 2014, 09:57:30 am
It's not like Arrow has interesting villains of his own ! :P
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 10:10:30 am
Well hey now, he has a few, at least; Merlyn, Constantine Drakon (I guess?... look, it's not a very big field), and best of all Count Vertigo, who is fucking great (although admittedly, that upgrade to fucking great took place in Suicide Squad, but still, he's got a great hook and powerset). And wouldn't you know it, they've all appeared on Arrow in some form. And I guess Clock King started as a GA villain before moving on to Batman, but he was pretty neat in the BTAS, so he might be worth reclaiming.
uh... who else... Onomatopoeia? Maybe? He of course is specifically designed to only work in comics, though. And then Kevin Smith ruined him as he is wont to do to... who else... Deathstroke doesn't count, I don't care what the show did, or the brief period in comics where he had a vendetta against GA. And no, not Doctor Light either, fuck that guy, and fuck that stupid storyline where he depowered cool, heroic Doctor Light. >:[
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Post by: Iced on September 05, 2014, 11:24:15 am
Just to back up the previous post with official officialness, The Rock is only confirmed to be playing Black Adam in New Line's Shazam movie. (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/dwayne-johnson-to-play-black-adam-in-shazam-darren-lemke-to-script-exclusive-1201294338/)
thats extremely odd the announcement made it seem like he was doing it in the bvsdoj movie.
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Post by: Byakko on September 05, 2014, 11:39:23 am
On the other hand, it makes more sense, they've announced a lot of the BvS cast and they've already began filming, this announcement would be quite late for that movie - even if Black Adam was only given a minor role there (seeing how big the cast already is). But if instead he's the major antagonist of the Shazam movie that comes out a year later, it's a good timing for an announcement. And it leaves him some room to do his usual fun acting too, as opposed to BvS where he'd just be there, big and bad, no fun allowed.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 05:59:05 pm
Batman/Superman Dawn Fun Justice Party and Shazam will actually both come out in 2016 (since the former was delayed after a troubled pre-production), but yeah, BvS is already filming, there's no way to fit him into a substantial role at this point.
thats extremely odd the announcement made it seem like he was doing it in the bvsdoj movie.
It was the article's fault; the actual announcement itself was just a tweet from The Rock (do we have to call him Dwayne Johnson now, because he keeps being billed as that, but like, The Rock is such a cooler name!!!) saying he was playing Black Adam.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2014, 04:56:17 pm
Oh... oh no. No no no, Warner, don't do this to me...
Warner Bros is sending out Legion of Superhero books to screenwriters and asking for pitches, (http://www.latino-review.com/news/hot-rumor-dc-puts-legion-of-superheroes-into-active-development) likely because of the phenomenal success of Guardians of the Galaxy, and Legion is their most prominent "space" book.
For the uninformed, Legion of Superheroes is one of DC's oldest teams, debuting even before Justice League; it centers on a group of superpowered teenagers hailing from across the universe, 1,000 years in the future, who have been inspired by the example of Superman and (to a lesser extent) other contemporary superheroes, and follow his example in protecting the universe. The Legion was one of DC's biggest, best written books; moreover, thanks to its remove from the regular DC universe at large it was allowed to develop long-running storylines and have major, lasting character development, presaging the success of X-Men in the same areas.
But the Legion's lost quite a bit of its luster; it's a bit of a tarnished brand right now, at least in the comics. The reason all comes down to a series continuity issues and constant reboots: in some continuities, including the original one, a teenaged Superman (Superboy) is an occasional member of the team (the Legion has a time machine!), and it is Superboy specifically who primarily inspired the Legion; when Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, Superboy was erased from continuity, and Superman had only started superheroing when he was an adult. This left the Legion with an immense amount of stories featuring a character who no longer existed, and a team whose origin no longer made any sense. Various attempts at retconning solutions to this were ultimately unsuccessful (the Superboy the Legion knows is from a pocket universe! no wait, Mon-El inspired them, somehow!), and ultimately things got so snarled that it was decided a reboot was needed. And then another one happened, about a decade later. And then another reboot happened less than five years later, sorta bringing back the original version but not exactly, with Superboy back in place. And then New 52 happened and Superboy is gone again and now the book is canceled! All of that took quite a toll on the readership, and over nearly 30 years, the Legion went from one of DC's most popular books to an obscurity.
So in many respects it's a bit odd that Warner would chose Legion, given its far remove from most of DC stuff, and it's tortured history, but there was a moderately successful cartoon a few years ago, and Warner is no stranger to desperately hurrying along movie projects in a panic, to try and emulate Marvel's success. But god, thinking of a Man Of Steel-ized Legion movie is so fucking depressing; the Legion has almost always been a brightly optimistic book, with a future that's turned out wonderfully, even with warring alien races and genocidal supervillains. And I'm very concerned they'd take the future conceit out and set it in the present, but away from Earth, because hey look Guardians did it and time travel just isn't very realistic now is it and oh god don't do this to me please I can't take it
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Post by: Iced on September 09, 2014, 05:03:33 pm
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But god, thinking of a Man Of Steel-ized Legion movie is so fucking depressing; the Legion has almost always been a brightly optimistic book,
Wasnt a big plot point that all blacks had gone back to "africa"( actually a weirdass africa like jungle island ) where they lived secluded and away from white people like they should?
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2014, 05:21:06 pm
Like a lot of the attempts by writers in the early 70s at addressing issues relating to black people (like say, that issue of Lois Lane where she turns black for a day (http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/black-cover.jpg), also featuring the new-before-seen neighborhood of Metropolis, LITTLE AFRICA), or even pretty much any social issue at all, the results were often well-meaning but like, pretty fucking racist! Also, it wasn't technically an island where all the black people had gone to live, it was just an island populated by descendants of a slave ship revolt. Also, the island disappeared into another dimension for most of the time or something, and was quietly dropped and ignored by later writers.
There was a great section about that sorta thing in Marvel: The Untold Story, about the new wave of writers in the 70s, the first group of writers who had grown up with comics, (obviously this was about Marvel, but the same was true over at DC) all excited to address social issues and explore heavier concepts in comics; the results of which were often not as successful as they would have hoped. Sometimes you'd get a Black Lightning or Howard the Duck out of it, but you could just as easily get that secluded island of Krypton where all the black people live (yeah that's right DC did that thing AGAIN) or Englehart's original concept for Star-Lord or the Adam Warlock as space-Jesus stories on Counter-Earth.
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Post by: Mechy on September 09, 2014, 05:26:01 pm
Also DC did Steamboat even earlier then that.
It's pretty remarkable that The Falcon started out as not-stereotypical as he did. Go Marvel.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2014, 05:45:15 pm
Hell, speaking of Falcon, there was that time he was retconned to have not actually been a social worker who wanted to help people, but was actually a former pimp and drug dealer whose mind was altered by the Cosmic Cube to turn him good and implant false memories and shit. For some reason. Jesus Christ that was fucking awful.
Also wait that's right it was by Englehart!!! D:
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Post by: -Whiplash- on September 09, 2014, 05:45:53 pm
Well hey now, he has a few, at least; Merlyn, Constantine Drakon (I guess?... look, it's not a very big field), and best of all Count Vertigo, who is fucking great (although admittedly, that upgrade to fucking great took place in Suicide Squad, but still, he's got a great hook and powerset). And wouldn't you know it, they've all appeared on Arrow in some form. And I guess Clock King started as a GA villain before moving on to Batman, but he was pretty neat in the BTAS, so he might be worth reclaiming.
uh... who else... Onomatopoeia? Maybe? He of course is specifically designed to only work in comics, though. And then Kevin Smith ruined him as he is wont to do to... who else... Deathstroke doesn't count, I don't care what the show did, or the brief period in comics where he had a vendetta against GA. And no, not Doctor Light either, fuck that guy, and fuck that stupid storyline where he depowered cool, heroic Doctor Light. >:[
I read that they were going to use onomatopoeia but gave up and replaced him with that Mr. Blank Guy. (http://cartermatt.com/57628/arrow-spoilers-meet-a-new-villain-very-soon/)
Though honestly I won't be against them actually adding him eventually. (Though I may have some bias)
Also yeah, I would agree Vertigo Is great, however they killed of the Arrow Version off Vertigo, (which I was all right with, since the REAL Vertigo was much, Much better.)
Clock king has also appeared in the show, not the TAS one, but not a bad version either, he's still obsessed with time and has everything on a schedule.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2014, 05:49:49 pm
They're gonna have another version of Vertigo, the "real" Vertio, who will be played by Peter fucking Stormare (!!!).
We can only hope he asks where is pancakes house.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on September 09, 2014, 06:12:47 pm
Oh... oh no. No no no, Warner, don't do this to me...
Warner Bros is sending out Legion of Superhero books to screenwriters and asking for pitches, (http://www.latino-review.com/news/hot-rumor-dc-puts-legion-of-superheroes-into-active-development) likely because of the phenomenal success of Guardians of the Galaxy, and Legion is their most prominent "space" book.
For the uninformed, Legion of Superheroes is one of DC's oldest teams, debuting even before Justice League; it centers on a group of superpowered teenagers hailing from across the universe, 1,000 years in the future, who have been inspired by the example of Superman and (to a lesser extent) other contemporary superheroes, and follow his example in protecting the universe. The Legion was one of DC's biggest, best written books; moreover, thanks to its remove from the regular DC universe at large it was allowed to develop long-running storylines and have major, lasting character development, presaging the success of X-Men in the same areas.
But the Legion's lost quite a bit of its luster; it's a bit of a tarnished brand right now, at least in the comics. The reason all comes down to a series continuity issues and constant reboots: in some continuities, including the original one, a teenaged Superman (Superboy) is an occasional member of the team (the Legion has a time machine!), and it is Superboy specifically who primarily inspired the Legion; when Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, Superboy was erased from continuity, and Superman had only started superheroing when he was an adult. This left the Legion with an immense amount of stories featuring a character who no longer existed, and a team whose origin no longer made any sense. Various attempts at retconning solutions to this were ultimately unsuccessful (the Superboy the Legion knows is from a pocket universe! no wait, Mon-El inspired them, somehow!), and ultimately things got so snarled that it was decided a reboot was needed. And then another one happened, about a decade later. And then another reboot happened less than five years later, sorta bringing back the original version but not exactly, with Superboy back in place. And then New 52 happened and Superboy is gone again and now the book is canceled! All of that took quite a toll on the readership, and over nearly 30 years, the Legion went from one of DC's most popular books to an obscurity.
So in many respects it's a bit odd that Warner would chose Legion, given its far remove from most of DC stuff, and it's tortured history, but there was a moderately successful cartoon a few years ago, and Warner is no stranger to desperately hurrying along movie projects in a panic, to try and emulate Marvel's success. But god, thinking of a Man Of Steel-ized Legion movie is so fucking depressing; the Legion has almost always been a brightly optimistic book, with a future that's turned out wonderfully, even with warring alien races and genocidal supervillains. And I'm very concerned they'd take the future conceit out and set it in the present, but away from Earth, because hey look Guardians did it and time travel just isn't very realistic now is it and oh god don't do this to me please I can't take it
was going to tl;rd but it was actually a fun read as I got into it.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 09, 2014, 06:25:32 pm
Hey, maybe they'll give it to New Line and stick it in the "Shazamverse" ("Funverse"?, "Non-Snyderverse"?)
They're gonna have another version of Vertigo, the "real" Vertio, who will be played by Peter fucking Stormare (!!!).
We can only hope he asks where is pancakes house.
Yeah that was great news, although now I'm sad that they wasted Lincoln Lee on a two-bit Joker performance.
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Post by: Sky79 on September 11, 2014, 05:15:28 am
New Images Of The Batmobile Hit The Web (http://youtu.be/h0TagNb-7D4) :brood:
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 11, 2014, 06:25:13 am
Really liking that design.
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Post by: Sky79 on September 12, 2014, 01:30:40 am
(https://i.imgur.com/irGhQqW.jpg)
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 12, 2014, 07:40:45 am
So, hey, um... there's a Titans pilot waiting for greenlight on TNT. (http://deadline.com/2014/09/titans-show-dc-comics-tnt-pilot-order-833189/) It's going to be based on The New Teen Titans of course, with Dick Grayson as the lead. Also, it's written by Akiva Goldsman, so it's probably schlock.
Gotham on Fox, Constantine on NBC, Arrow, Flash, and Girl That May or May Not Be Super on CW, now Titans on TNT... Is Warner just tossing these scripts out like batarangs and just letting them hit random networks? This is nuts.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on September 12, 2014, 08:03:26 am
I'm kinda sad they didn't just put them all on CW or something and make them all connect to arrow in some way. That'd been cool.
Especially since Gotham is on Fox, might get confusing if Ra's Appears in some capacity and then we have two Ra's on TV at the same time.
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Post by: Byakko on September 12, 2014, 09:35:56 am
A Ra's in Gotham would be really terrible, unless he's just a tourist and not an actual main villain.
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Post by: Sky79 on September 13, 2014, 01:26:03 am
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 13, 2014, 04:40:07 am
Let's be fair, where else could it go?
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2014, 05:14:03 am
Very weird that it would be on TNT, of all places.
So, roster: Nightwing is in, and Starfire and Raven are mentioned by name. Who else would get in? From the classic roster: Beast Boy seems like a shoo-in, but probably not Cyborg because he's too cool for the Teen Titans now (and that really sucks because the Beast Boy-Cyborg friendship is like by far the best part of any iteration of Teen Titans) and is too busy being boring and useless on Justice League; while it has been said (by someone, don't remember who) that all of the TV shows will be separate from one another and from the movies, if the rumors of the upcoming movies are anything to go by, the DC movies can use pretty much any character they want (they'll have two Flashes in leading live action roles), but the TV shows will be restricted to whatever the movies won't be using, whatever the other TV shows aren't using, and/or whatever the character is in the orbit of the specific show's character franchise. Kid Flash thus seems very unlikely because of the Flash show, but Wonder Girl seems possible, maybe, if (former) sidekicks like Nightwing are allowed.
But it seems like they'd want at least one or two more people, maybe Bunker, so they can knock out two minorities at once (gotta think like a studio exec even though just typing that makes me wanna barf)? Aqualad (Kaldur'ahm)? Danny Chase, Jericho, and Baby Wildebeest??????????
So, hey, um... there's a Titans pilot waiting for greenlight on TNT. (http://deadline.com/2014/09/titans-show-dc-comics-tnt-pilot-order-833189/) It's going to be based on The New Teen Titans of course, with Dick Grayson as the lead. Also, it's written by Akiva Goldsman, so it's probably schlock.
Well... didn't he do well in the executive producer role on Fringe (yet another show I'm kicking myself for not getting on-board with and still need to catch up with)? But then again the most recent thing he did was write and direct that weird Winter's Tale movie, which looked (and apparently was) absolutely terrible, so... who knows?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Saikoro on September 13, 2014, 05:25:30 am
Damn Jmorph, you really know your history. That's really cool. Seriously.
With all of the reboots throughout the years, wouldn't it make sense to just, say, take the elements that worked best and make a trilogy out of a smaller portion of a story?? While not a hardcore comic buff, I am one for good storytelling. I feel that studios are going to run with what sells and shoehorn waaaaay too much into a short runtime. I also think Batman VS Superman is being put under a goddamn microscope to the point that nobody will be satisfied with it when it comes out. There's still hope because Zach Snyder is capable of really good stuff. Watchmen was awesome in my opinion and 300 was simply badass.
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Post by: Neocide on September 13, 2014, 05:40:06 am
I wonder how deathstroke will play in this when he's way more driven in titans than anything when he first started. Seeing as how he's in arrow I would be more than annoyed if he didn't show up at some point.
Also I don't see why not have cyborg in the show, I know he's justice league now, but this isn't part of the movie universe, as I think some characters that are showing up in the tv series have also shown up on movies(or will, like Ra's) They seem to be two separate things.
Plus it would be stupid not to capitalize on the teen titans cartoon's popularity as well, as the most well known cast as of pre 52; Robin,Raven,starfire,cyborg,beast boy,wonder girl(Donna troy) super boy, kid flash. I don't see super boy or kid flash at all, or arsenal/red arrow. I can see Artemis and possibly impulse though. The rest of the most known cast I see coming, including cyborg.
I hope this does well, behind X-men the titans are my most loved series and they haven't been done justice in a while.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 13, 2014, 05:43:33 am
Well... didn't he do well in the executive producer role on Fringe (yet another show I'm kicking myself for not getting on-board with and still need to catch up with)? But then again the most recent thing he did was write and direct that weird Winter's Tale movie, which looked (and apparently was) absolutely terrible, so... who knows?
As much as I love the episodes he (co-)wrote on Fringe, he'll never wash the stink of Batman and Robin off of him. Never.
(yet another show I'm kicking myself for not getting on-board with and still need to catch up with)
Ahh, that explains why my Lincoln Lee reference fell flat. Fringe is great, watch it! Just like Battlestar, you've already done yourself a disservice by not being a part of it when it was airing. The speculation (Huge discussions about color usage! That turned out to be valid!), the emotion, the nail-biting fear that Fox could cancel it at any moment...
With all of the reboots throughout the years, wouldn't it make sense to just, say, take the elements that worked best and make a trilogy out of a smaller portion of a story?? While not a hardcore comic buff, I am one for good storytelling. I feel that studios are going to run with what sells and shoehorn waaaaay too much into a short runtime. I also think Batman VS Superman is being put under a goddamn microscope to the point that nobody will be satisfied with it when it comes out. There's still hope because Zach Snyder is capable of really good stuff. Watchmen was awesome in my opinion and 300 was simply badass.
The problem is that Warner is looking to do Justice League with the same buildup that Marvel did for Avengers, that's why they're trying to doublestuff everything into one movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2014, 05:58:53 am
I'm still convinced that if DC's movies were being run by people who were competent they'd be able to build up a JL movie in far, far less movies than it took Marvel, simply because of the brand recognition they have with their core Trinity (Wonder Woman, sadly, to a much, much lesser extent than Superman and Batman, but still far more than most of the movie Avengers before their own movies came out). They could just put out a Trinity movie that seeded the idea of teaming up, establish the idea that there are multiple superheroes running around, and maybe do a solo movie for one other hero, and the actual JL movie could just quickly sketch the remaining heroes' origins. If nothing else, GotG certainly proved that you can assemble a team of complete unknowns with the need to laboriously explain each and everyone of their origins, and have it all work!
I wonder how deathstroke will play in this when he's way more driven in titans than anything when he first started. Seeing as how he's in arrow I would be more than annoyed if he didn't show up at some point.
Also I don't see why not have cyborg in the show, I know he's justice league now, but this isn't part of the movie universe, as I think some characters that are showing up in the tv series have also shown up on movies(or will, like Ra's) They seem to be two separate things.
I get the sense that they might not be able to use Deathstroke at all, given that Arrow's already used him. And DC is still laboring under the delusion that people can't tell the difference between different versions of characters in different media. Such arbitrary rules are nothing new to DC (who remembers the Bat-embargo)! DC seems to have really shied away from the notion of Deathstroke as a Teen Titans villain at all; it seems like since Identity Crisis they've done nothing but shout from the rooftops that he is the biggest of big deals, he can take out the whole Justice League be scared of him he's so badass etc. etc.
As for Cyborg, DC has really been pushing him as a JL member and it really seems like the only reason he's allowed to be on Titans Go is because they wanted the same lineup as the 2003 cartoon. And it's looking like anything that's not already claimed as by a show that's going to show up in a movie is completely off-limits (to the point where Arrow can't even mention Wayne Enterprises in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it newspaper headline). It's so, so, dumb, but I have to consider it as a strong possibility.
Plus it would be stupid not to capitalize on the teen titans cartoon's popularity as well
We... it IS DC and Warner Bros!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... :( :( :(
to be more specific, I am almost certain they'll try and distance this show from the cartoon as much as humanly possible, because this is gonna be a realistic and dark take on a bunch of teenage sidekicks getting together to live in a giant T.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on September 13, 2014, 06:13:20 am
The show simply isn't going to work without Cyborg,-But- the suite alone would be costly production wise, and I can't see them taking the Smallville way out again.
It all just screams 'bad idea'.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Neocide on September 13, 2014, 07:12:54 am
you can make it work without cyborg, he didn't show up until the 2nd batch of titans or 3rd, I can't remember which version was that horrible team that all died minus like one.
And if this show doesn't have deathstroke I don't think I can watch it, he was such a huge and awesome part of titan lore and dc not using him is really just not catering to it's titan fans. This is the problem I had with arrow, and it's stealing other hero's villains, and I like that show.
Dc is horrible with coordination, if they done it right, they could have spun titans out of arrow, and had deathstroke find his way over there. I mean flash already exists in this arrow world. Guess it's because of the network crap, this is why marvel is so much better at all of this.
I want to give this a chance, but I am so worried it's going to be bad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2014, 07:26:06 am
you can make it work without cyborg, he didn't show up until the 2nd batch of titans or 3rd, I can't remember which version was that horrible team that all died minus like one.
I don't recall there being any major Titan deaths until after the New Teen Titans era began (and the closest thing to "everyone dies but one" for Titans is that shitty setup book for Winnick's Adult Titans run that killed off a random new Titans team, which included Power Boy [he had a chest hair window, why did they kill him? :(], and there were a some but not a lot at the end of Wolfram's first run, I guess); in fact the only thing that's really coming to mind is the newcomers from the Justice League Detroit team dying (except for Gypsy) in that final arc of JLA that DeMatteis wrote to wrap up the Detroit era and set up JLI.
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Post by: Sky79 on September 13, 2014, 03:17:12 pm
Guess it's because of the network crap, this is why marvel is so much better at all of this.
Not network crap, The CW itself is a Crap Network for DC to get this started. I agree, there is no sensible reason why this couldn't be glorious. But DC is badly mismanaged right now.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 13, 2014, 05:04:36 pm
The CW is actually the perfect network to do this, it's owned by Warner. That means less money to air it, so as long as it has a passionate audience it can stay on for years, giving them plenty of time to build a sound universe. Constantine's gonna be in danger of cancellation from day one, Gotham from day two, Titans has a four year life EVEN IF it's successful based on every other TNT show.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Neocide on September 13, 2014, 05:16:04 pm
you can make it work without cyborg, he didn't show up until the 2nd batch of titans or 3rd, I can't remember which version was that horrible team that all died minus like one.
I don't recall there being any major Titan deaths until after the New Teen Titans era began (and the closest thing to "everyone dies but one" for Titans is that shitty setup book for Winnick's Adult Titans run that killed off a random new Titans team, which included Power Boy [he had a chest hair window, why did they kill him? :(], and there were a some but not a lot at the end of Wolfram's first run, I guess); in fact the only thing that's really coming to mind is the newcomers from the Justice League Detroit team dying (except for Gypsy) in that final arc of JLA that DeMatteis wrote to wrap up the Detroit era and set up JLI.
they weren't major, because the team wasn't around long, I just remember most of the team dying off.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Saikoro on September 13, 2014, 07:01:46 pm
I'm still convinced that if DC's movies were being run by people who were competent they'd be able to build up a JL movie in far, far less movies than it took Marvel.
These above two comments is what frightens me. While I'm no comic buff, DC has some truly fantastic material on their hands from what I've heard through here and from comic buff friends of mine have told me about. It seems that DC is trying to play catch up with Marvel regardless of the cost, and that cost is film quality and fanbase. There was that shit period of terrible Marvel movies that could have been great, but were disastrous. Daredevil and Ghost Rider were atrocities. Spider-Man 3 was even worse. Now I'm sure that won't be the case for BvS, you still can't help but worry about how these films will turn out. While it's great to see Wonder Woman get attention and Batman evolving in style to what Frank Miller envisioned, everything feels shoehorned in since DC is shooting for what's popular right now and merely stuffing it into 120 minutes of runtime.
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Post by: Neocide on September 13, 2014, 07:12:35 pm
it's not even what's popular right now, it's more of what they think is. And they are wrong.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Saikoro on September 13, 2014, 09:16:57 pm
The CW is actually the perfect network to do this, it's owned by Warner. That means less money to air it, so as long as it has a passionate audience it can stay on for years, giving them plenty of time to build a sound universe. Constantine's gonna be in danger of cancellation from day one, Gotham from day two, Titans has a four year life EVEN IF it's successful based on every other TNT show.
It's seriously so weird this is on TNT, I mean, Teen Titans is full of stunningly beautiful 20-somethings with great abs, it's got all the prerequisites needed to be a CW show!
While it's great to see Wonder Woman get attention
I wouldn't even call it that; DC's third biggest, well-known superhero, the most popular female hero of all, is making her film debut as a sidekick in a Batman and Superman movie. And they're prioritizing a freaking Shazam movie over a Wonder Woman one, and have already made a fucking Green Lantern movie before a WW one, and not even the one people know (John Stewart), but fucking boring ass Hal Jordan. To so totally ignore that you have a very well known property in favor of much, much lesser known ones, it's just absolutely insane!
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on September 14, 2014, 07:59:30 pm
It's kinda strange that Titans aired in TNT (maybe, if the pilot passed).
But i'll wait to see the result of this. Since that Titans is one of my favorites superheroes groups.
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Post by: Saikoro on September 14, 2014, 08:32:36 pm
I wouldn't even call it that; DC's third biggest, well-known superhero, the most popular female hero of all, is making her film debut as a sidekick in a Batman and Superman movie. And they're prioritizing a freaking Shazam movie over a Wonder Woman one, and have already made a fucking Green Lantern movie before a WW one, and not even the one people know (John Stewart), but fucking boring ass Hal Jordan. To so totally ignore that you have a very well known property in favor of much, much lesser known ones, it's just absolutely insane!
This goes back to what sells. For whatever reason, DC feels like Shazam will 1-up WW, so *bam* here we have WW as a guest character and Shazam getting his own feature film. It should be the other way around. Why would Shazam sell more than WW anyhow!?
The idiots in charge should be replaced with business savvy, hardcore fans who know their shit. Seriously.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on September 14, 2014, 09:16:28 pm
I tried to understand this Saikoro. Really hard and sad to see that WW don't get more attention them Shazam. She's an superheroine icon (or THE superheroine icon).
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Post by: Saikoro on September 14, 2014, 09:19:50 pm
Watch from 1:00 on to see what I mean. The entire thing is equally hilarious and well done though.
hehehe, i remember this spoof! Really hilarious! :laugh:
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 17, 2014, 07:11:02 am
OK so apparently they're working on an adaptation of Neil Gaiman/Mike Carey's Lucifer over at Fox, (http://www.newsarama.com/22153-another-dc-comics-adaptation-being-developed-at-fox.html) and... no fucking way. C'mon. They're not making a fucking show about the fucking devil. No goddamn way, the outrage it would generate wouldn't be worth the trouble.
... they can't make it, I don't want them to. Lucifer was such a fantastic creation in Neil Gaiman's Sandman, and Mike Carey's Lucifer spinoff series only deepened the character and was the only Sandman spinoff to carve out its own unique identity in its excellent exploration of faith and theology. This is just too goddamn depressing to consider.
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Post by: Iced on September 17, 2014, 12:38:27 pm
its a buddy cop flick, with god as the hardass funny boss that assigns lucifer , the cynical cop, to work with a new angel solving crimes and locking up demons.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on September 17, 2014, 10:18:31 pm
They already gave the plot description, if you're going to bullshit up a series from that at least follow the description >:[
it's basically where Lucifer ended up at the end of Sandman, right? But the actual Lucifer series by Mike Carey immediately abandoned that (not because it was bad, it's just unsuitable for an ongoing series) to go on a dizzyingly complex theological tale exploring Creation and Free Will.
They're gonna turn all that into another fucking detective show. :(
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Post by: Saikoro on September 18, 2014, 06:58:10 pm
....and then cancel it after half of a season. Thanks Fox!! :grrr:
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on September 18, 2014, 11:53:32 pm
....and then cancel it after half of a season. Thanks Fox!! :grrr:
Typical of Fox.
And the pilot will be the creator/executive producer of Californication... Please Fox, no. :sad3:
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 21, 2014, 12:03:12 am
The Supergirl show has been picked up (http://tvline.com/2014/09/19/supergirl-tv-show-cbs-cast/) by CBS (which is... very odd) and will be called Supergirl and not something incredibly stupid, like Girl or Super or some shit. Judging from the plot description, they're going for something similar to Silver Age Supergirl (which was seriously fucked up, Superman meets the only other survivor of Krypton, his own cousin, and immediately decides to make her to live in an fucking orphanage and to hide her powers because he doesn't want to risk his secret identity and wants a "secret weapon", sooooo fucking weird); in the show, it sounds like Supergirl has lived on Earth for a while, hiding her powers from the world, for some reason, before eventually debuting as a superhero in her 20s. Superman is referenced by name in the description, so he might pop up a few times but I doubt he'd be a regular, or even recurring.
And Warner is trying to get Fury director David Ayer to helm a Suicide Squad movie, (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/warner-bros-circling-david-ayer-for-adaptation-of-dc-comics-suicide-squad-1201308883/) which... look. You have one job for this. One goddamn job. Cast C. C. H. Pounder as Amanda Waller. Cast C. C. H. Pounder as Amanda Waller. Cast C. C. H. Pounder as Amanda Waller. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDICNzM3-QE) Don't screw this up >:[
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Post by: Eddie Hunter on September 21, 2014, 12:25:40 am
Jmorph is probably gonna hate on me but i prefer Sexy Waller(a.k.a New 52 Amanda Waller) over Fat Waller.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 21, 2014, 12:31:14 am
Young, thin Waller is literally (and not figuratively) missing the entire point of Amanda Waller! Someone as thin as a twig can't be feared as "The Wall"! >:[
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Post by: Bea on September 21, 2014, 12:46:40 am
Young, thin Waller is literally (and not figuratively) missing the entire point of Amanda Waller! Someone as thin as a twig can't be feared as "The Wall"! >:[
This. SO MUCH FUCKING THIS! Amanda Waller needs to be old and large. She is supposed to be scary and awesome. Young and thin Amanda Waller is stupid. >:[
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 21, 2014, 12:53:53 am
Jmorph is probably gonna hate on me but i prefer Sexy Waller(a.k.a New 52 Amanda Waller) over Fat Waller.
I don't think it became clear to me why Thin Waller is bad (other than "it's change, I hate it") until Arrow. Amanda Waller is a force of nature and power and you're meant to feel that a soon as she appears. If she's young and beautiful like the majority of the main characters you just kind of gloss over her because she doesn't punch things or shoot laser beams from her hands.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 21, 2014, 12:58:01 am
Indeed; her creator, the all-around amazing writer John Ostrander, said exactly the same thing. (http://www.comicmix.com/2014/03/16/john-ostrander-waller/)
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 21, 2014, 02:29:44 am
Oh, right. There's some other news, good and potentially worrying. First: there's confirmation that the upcoming DC animated movie Justice League: Gods And Monsters is being executive produced by DCAU mastermind Bruce Timm, which is good news!
Now here's the worrying stuff: Machinima has just picked up a 3 part miniseries based on that movie, called Justice League: Gods And Monsters Chronicles. What "based on" means, specifically, is unclear. What is known is that this miniseries will take on an exiting and innovative new approach to those DC superheroes: a "much darker version" of those superheroes, (http://www.avclub.com/article/machinima-making-new-justice-league-cartoon-bruce--209364), an approach never before used anywhere, ever, an approach whose very utterance fills people with dread, an approach that will never ever get tired or used poorly. Hooray!
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Post by: Neocide on September 21, 2014, 02:41:49 am
ugh, more dark and gloomy dc, no thanks. Bruce timm can't even save this.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 21, 2014, 02:45:16 am
The thing is, Timm only seems to be involved with the movie, it remains to be seen if the movie will be the same way and/or if the movie and the miniseries share a universe.
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Post by: Neocide on September 21, 2014, 02:48:49 am
I hope that's the case, Dc, has been nothing but horrible disappointment after disappointment. the animated movies for the most part have been the only shining light. is this another new 52 movie? :/
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 21, 2014, 03:23:20 am
Nah, it's just another grimdark alt-timeline thing.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on September 24, 2014, 07:27:06 am
So that Teen Titans show might take place in the same continuity as Arrow and Flash; (http://comicbook.com/2014/09/23/titans-tv-show-could-be-part-of-arrow-and-flash-universe/) it certainly helps that, unlike Constantine and Gotham, all three shows will air on WB-owned networks.
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Post by: Neocide on September 24, 2014, 07:59:42 am
Yea I heard this, and it at least makes me breath a sigh of relief regarding deathstroke. I'm guessing Aresenal\Red Arrow will be the bridge between Arrow and TT.
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Post by: Byakko on September 24, 2014, 10:02:01 am
I think he was already referred to as Arsenal in one of the recent descriptions of S3.
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Post by: Neocide on September 24, 2014, 10:06:20 am
I know, but I'll always think of him as red arrow anyway.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 30, 2014, 02:35:00 am
I've always hated the name Red Arrow, Arsenal at least gives him some distance from being Green Arrow Jr.
a new Batman V Superman: DaVVn of JVstice set photo: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byt85WtCMAANDCA.jpg) well I'm super glad they're finally doing what we've all wanted out of a Superman movie: a sad depressed Superman that everyone hates.
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Post by: Byakko on September 30, 2014, 02:44:07 am
It'd bother me if they didn't have this, after the MoS movie. Not that it's any good that it came to this, but clearly it'd be even worse to do MoS and then not go this route. Eh, in a way, I guess they played straight into that classic storyline of humans being mad at superheroes and wanting to kick them out because they break more stuff than they save, and they even gave them a reason to do that... Of course let's just not even mention the fact that those storylines are always a big sack of shit. ... Hey, maybe it's actually a movie that leads into a Justice Lords universe movie ! And then in the actual Justice League movie, the classic universe is going to pop in and break everything. ... yeah, right.
Ditto on Arsenal > Red Arrow. It's a rather unique identity.
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Post by: Mechy on October 09, 2014, 05:22:04 pm
Well atleast it's adressing the problem of seemingly nobody giving a shit about the fact that Supes caused roughly 20 + 9/11 of damage in the last movie.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 11, 2014, 08:02:32 am
Latino Review (http://www.latino-review.com/news/huge-dc-movie-news-update-braniac-justice-league-suicide-squad) is reporting that Braniac just may be the villain of this Justice League movie that we'll just assume is going to happen regardless of the success of the other movies. Just so.
Which is interesting, to say the least. I think Braniac is a villain that's too personal to Superman, but I can't deny he basically fulfills the role that would have been wasted on Darkseid of "Space Conqueror with lots of soldiers/minions to fight". Could be better, could be worse, so as usual with most news about these movies, my reaction is "Meh."
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 11, 2014, 08:04:44 am
Well atleast it's adressing the problem of seemingly nobody giving a shit about the fact that Supes caused roughly 20 + 9/11 of damage in the last movie.
I don't know if straight up ignoring it would be better, but I'm so sick of sad Superman who is feared and hated because it's missing the entire goddamn point of the character. Brainiac is rumored to be the villain of the Justice League movie. (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=109047)
Also from that link, a rumor about the Suicide Squad movie's line-up, which is supposed to include:
Deadshot and Captain Boomerang (it just isn't the Suicide Squad without them!)
Mindboggler (she is the first Suicide Squad casualty in the actual Suicide Squad run whose death is used to ratchet up the tension and threat level, I have to assume she'll serve the same role in movie)
Multiplex (this is interesting, he wasn't really a mainstay of the team until the second Ostrander run, and a fine fit even if he's doesn't jump immediately to mind when I think "Suicide Squad")
Blockbuster (another possibility for the "shocking first death" role, since he was used for that when the team first appeared, in the crossover Legends)
Jewelee (this is definitely the craziest choice because are they seriously gonna include one half of a muderous pair of wacky supervillains named after Punch and Judy????)
Vixen (almost certainly as the token superhero/non supervillain).
All in all, a fairly interesting roster, but the lack of Bronze Tiger makes me sad, and I feel like Nightshade would be more interesting than Jewelee, but I guess they only want one straight-up heroic person on the team maybe? I also am surprised that Harley Quinn isn't on the team, but maybe the Warner brass was afraid just dumping her into the mix without establishing the Joker was too much? I dunno, I thought she was a pretty good fit for the team, at least in Assault on Arkham and not stupid shitty New 52 Suicide Squad.
EDIT: maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I spent too much time typing up shit no one's gonna read about Suicide Squad and got scooped!!!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 11, 2014, 08:07:43 am
Which is interesting, to say the least. I think Braniac is a villain that's too personal to Superman, but I can't deny he basically fulfills the role that would have been wasted on Darkseid of "Space Conqueror with lots of soldiers/minions to fight". Could be better, could be worse, so as usual with most news about these movies, my reaction is "Meh."
Yeah, definitely. I'm not opposed to the idea in general (DCAU Brainiac made a very credible threat for the Justice League, but that was after an numerous solo Superman stories), and I can't imagine they'll spend much time on the Superman/Brainiac conflict, what with having to introduce the rest of the JL. But yeesh, leagues better than generic, shitty, boring Darkseid!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on October 15, 2014, 06:37:18 pm
Terrible, TERRIBLE news. Gal Gadot "Wonder Woman" film set to be released in 2017.
Edit: Even worse news: “Justice League Part One,” directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jarek Bachanek on October 15, 2014, 08:22:14 pm
Recently I saw Man of Steel on TV and as much I loved the battles (soooo DBZ :D) everything else was dull and just plain bad. Plot was confusing and I shallow. They tried too hard to make this film deep and meaningfull and it turned out to be pathethic and confusing. I felt like they cut some parts out of the stoiry and that's why it was bad. This movie should be twice as long so maybe it could be better and story progressing more naturally. I disliked how they tried turn Clark in some cheap copy of Jesus Christ. All these religious references really felt weird in Superman movie.
Some characters were just plain useless. They barely showed Metropolis, Laurence Fishbourne didn't have anything to do except standing there static. I hoped for Kevin Costner to show some acting and all he did were few pathethic scenes and his death was just laughable. Henry Cavill is good actor and he proved that in The Tudors but wow here he was emotionless. The only moment I see him in his old shape, showing some emotions was scene where he killed Zod. And as much as I adore Amy Adams her Los Lane was very generic character. And that kiss scene came out of nowhere. No chemistry at all. Not to mention she is getting too old for this role. I mean in Man of Steel I already saw wrinkles on her face. She will be 44 by the time that JL movie will be out and it will be getting only worse with each movie. For Film series like these they should hire younger actors so they won't look like grandparents by the time series ends. Just see what happened with Roger Moore when he played James Bond in his last Bond movies.....
The only good parts were the fights and Russel Crowe as Jor-El. He was so badass, cool and believeable.
As for destruction thing Snyder went more far than Michael Bay and that saying alot. I guess masses love seeing chaos & destruction. Even my inner child was jumped with joy despite the fact it didn't fit to Superman at all. This fad of making mindless blockbusters won;t go away soon and that makes me sad, that's why I only watch these movie on TV. It's good there is still independent scene full of good movies.
Defintely weakest Superman movie of all. Even Superman Returns was better.
5/10
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 15, 2014, 08:28:49 pm
Terrible, TERRIBLE news. Gal Gadot "Wonder Woman" film set to be released in 2017.
Edit: Even worse news: “Justice League Part One,” directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)
(http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/NA-109401.jpg) I'm sure there's no way this many comic book movies of questionable quality will cause, I don't know, some kind of crash or something. At least a Wonder Woman movie is coming out before fucking Aquaman the goddamn movie
also Ezra Miller was cast as the Flash (he's really young but supposed to be a good actor) and Jason Mamoa was confirmed to be Aquaman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 16, 2014, 12:41:28 am
This is the toughest looking picture of Ezra Miller I could find:
The best thing I can say about him is that he's good at playing little shits I hate? (He was in Californication as "teenage boyfriend" and We Need to Talk About Kevin as "Evil mass murdering teenager who did it for the lulz")
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 16, 2014, 12:54:14 am
Brainac is indeed apparently the villain of Justice League Part One (http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/15/zack-snyder-remains-king-of-the-dc-movieverse-is-directing-justice-league-2/) and Green Lantern will be held off until the end of the movie; when he shows up he'll tell the Justice League about the true threat, Darkseid, who I'm sure will be written well and not at all like he has been used in the new 52.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 16, 2014, 05:42:35 am
David Ayer (writer of Training Day, director of End of Watch and Fury) is directing the Suicide Squad movie (http://thedissolve.com/news/3617-david-ayer-to-direct-2016s-suicide-squad-movie/)
and apparently Will Smith is being eyed for Suicide Squad??? (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=109359)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Person Man on October 16, 2014, 07:01:07 pm
Oh my god, "gritty" is literally the second word they use to describe the movie, and that's only because the first word is "A." Everything is fucking "gritty" these days.
:wall:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 16, 2014, 11:08:26 pm
Well... I dunno, Suicide Squad is one of the very few comic book properties for whom "gritty" is an appropriate tone. It is, after all, a series about a team of usually-murderous supervillains forcibly recruited under pain of death to perform life-threatening, oft-hopeless missions by a cold, corrupt, and uncaring government, and whose members have a pretty high mortality rate!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 16, 2014, 11:13:29 pm
Yeah, the last thing you'd want to hear about is a Paul Feig directed Suicide Squad. I'm more worried that they're casting Will Smith because I can't think of who he'd play. Commander Flagg?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on October 17, 2014, 02:02:00 am
I am worried about who they will cast as Amanda "The Wall" Waller. Hopefully not another eye candy twig. Amanda needs to be on the heavy side and intimidating.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 17, 2014, 02:04:44 am
I am worried about who they will cast as Amanda "The Wall" Waller. Hopefully not another eye candy twig. Amanda needs to be on the heavy side and intimidating.
Cast her voice actress,-
Spoiler: Carol Christine Hilaria Pounder(click to see content)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Person Man on October 18, 2014, 02:51:22 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discorddunno_zps297811b9.png[/avatar]So the latest rumors are saying that Robin is also going to be in Batman Vee Superman: The Quest for that Avengers Money, because of reasons. Except it's not the usual Robin, it's Carrie Kelley and she'll be played by Jena Malone (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/batman-v-superman-is-jena-malone-playing-female-robin-1201332852/), because of further reasons.
I don't even know any more.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: QuickFist on October 18, 2014, 03:01:56 am
I don't even know what to post. Just....da fuq? I-I-I-I don't even....*sigh*
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 18, 2014, 03:03:02 am
I'm not opposed to the idea, save that it's clear they're not even trying to make this anything other than TDKR, which is about the fucking end of Batman you stupid brain dead hacks not the start of a franchise goddamn it even Frank Miller couldn't make TDKR into a franchise without devolving into abject insanity which is really saying something considering Frank Miller holy shit
...Ahem. I'm not opposed to the idea, save that I'm opposed to the idea.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bea on October 18, 2014, 11:03:39 am
I am worried about who they will cast as Amanda "The Wall" Waller. Hopefully not another eye candy twig. Amanda needs to be on the heavy side and intimidating.
Cast her voice actress,-
Spoiler: Carol Christine Hilaria Pounder(click to see content)
Now, see, this would be a great casting. Which is why I find it very unlikely to happen. We got Gal Gadot for Wonder Woman after all... :|
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on October 19, 2014, 01:40:17 am
'Batman v. Superman' Grip Department rumors Blue Beetle and Booster Gold (http://www.examiner.com/article/batman-v-superman-grip-department-spots-blue-beetle-and-booster-gold)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 19, 2014, 01:45:07 am
... All those casting rumors, it's only going to be a big group shot of "vision of the future", won't it. Or all the heroes of Earth jumping in on a fight for a couple of seconds just before the big bad wins, like a "look at all those good guys all around the Earth USA ready to unite to fend off the mean monster, it's a big world country after all". At this point, even giving everyone a single line of dialog and 10 seconds of screen time as they show up here and there through the movie, à la Expendable, can't possibly work - it would only make it worse. But hey, they had a Wayne Entreprise satellite show up "as an easter egg" in MoS, so they're highly likely to do the same kind of "wink" again.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 19, 2014, 03:28:37 am
With this movie essentially being Dark Knight Returns I have to assume all these cameos save Wonder Woman are going to be people looking at Batman fight Superman on a TV screen somehow.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 19, 2014, 03:37:34 am
That's only one part, not all of the movie. Brainiac is supposed to be the main villain.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 19, 2014, 03:41:36 am
You're confusing it with Justice League. Brainiac is the main enemy for that movie, not this one (although I'm sure he'll cameo).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 24, 2014, 08:55:08 pm
Rumor is Warner Bros is looking for a female director for the Wonder Woman movie (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2014/10/24/warner-bros-sets-sights-on-female-directors-for-wonder-woman/), which, Jesus Christ Marvel get your shit together already, don't let DC beat you on this. >:[
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: QuickFist on October 24, 2014, 09:05:03 pm
First thing I support in a long, long time about DC CU
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Person Man on October 27, 2014, 10:11:39 pm
Rumors are surfacing online about the finer details of The Dark Knight’s battle armor in Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice. In a rumor from Batman-News.com, the armor used to combat Superman will take many visual cues from Batman: The Dark Knight Returns’ design. This matches what was shown at San Diego Comic-Con earlier this year. The rumor however, also says that Batman’s armor will be laced with Kryptonite and will fire missiles. While director Zack Snyder has not yet introduced Kryptonite into the DC Cinematic Universe, he teased in an interview last year that the element didn’t not exist.
Rumor is Warner Bros is looking for a female director for the Wonder Woman movie (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2014/10/24/warner-bros-sets-sights-on-female-directors-for-wonder-woman/)
First thing I support in a long, long time about DC CU
Whats wrong with you two?
Why the hell would gender be a criteria for being a good director? You should always pick the best person for the job. So even if you're a better director, you are not qualified unless you've a va-JayJay, yeah, that's not sexist at all.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 28, 2014, 01:15:24 am
There is a very good reason, but I am more interested to see if someone else can come up with it, except jmorphman, he most likely is already thinking of that same reason.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 28, 2014, 01:29:57 am
Why the hell would gender be a criteria for being a good director? You should always pick the best person for the job. So even if you're a better director, you are not qualified unless you've a va-JayJay, yeah, that's not sexist at all.
You're so right, if only they could get more directors like visionary director Zack Snyder, not waste our time with no-name lady directors like Kathryn Bigelow, Mimi Leder, and Michelle MacLaren? I mean, have any of them even won an Oscar?
We all know that a movie about Wonder Woman, first female superhero and feminist icon, really should be directed by a dude.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: GOH on October 28, 2014, 01:33:10 am
You know what they say.
Behind a great feminist superhero there's a great man director.
Or something like that.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 28, 2014, 01:36:55 am
Think this may be my favorite episode of Gotham yet, can always trust Ben Edlund to deliver.
Oh yes, Wonder Woman b8. I think the goal of choosing the cast and director of a movie should always err on the side of whoever has an interesting story to tell with the character. At this point, I'm more interested in seeing the story of Wonder Woman through a female lens rather than through a male lens. That's boring.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Iced on October 28, 2014, 01:39:08 am
You're so right, if only they could get more directors like visionary director Zack Snyder, not waste our time with no-name lady directors like Kathryn Bigelow, Mimi Leder, and Michelle MacLaren? I mean, have any of them even won an Oscar?
We all know that a movie about Wonder Woman, first female superhero and feminist icon, really should be directed by a dude.
whats wrong with you , geeeeez.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 03:04:57 am
I think the goal of choosing the cast and director of a movie should always err on the side of whoever has an interesting story to tell with the character.
At this point, I'm more interested in seeing the story of Wonder Woman through a female lens rather than through a male lens. That's boring.
Wait, what? Seriously?
It's called "Gender Equality" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality) boys. Are you people actually trying to justify gender bias? There is also the screenplay, editing and others to consider, the right actress is also a big issue here.
So, if two people produce two different takes on the same character, the ultimate reason wont be the director's vision of the character, their research or their particular style, it's the fact that one of them is a girl.......Nice.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 28, 2014, 03:14:20 am
The trick here is that we can all guess what a random director would do. You can imagine all the Oscar-winning directors coming to helm this movie, you can claim all you want that if it's a good director then it can make a good movie even if it's a man, but we now that WB isn't going to do that. We now that the guys WB could bring in are much more likely to do more Snyder-like crap ; it will be generic Man of Steel-like #385752. At the very least, having a woman do it gives it slightly better odds for how well written/presented the main character will be - or at least, better odds that WW (the character) won't be shittily written and super generic and everything. Also shut up already.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 03:19:05 am
At the very least, having a woman do it gives it slightly better odds for how well written/presented the main character will be - or at least, better odds that WW won't be shittily written and super generic and everything.
Better odds? Ha! so you are saying a woman will do a better job, because it's a woman.
Wow man
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 28, 2014, 03:20:06 am
It's called "Gender Equality" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality) boys. Are you people actually trying to justify gender bias? There is also the screenplay, editing and others to consider, the right actress is also a big issue here.
So, if two people produce two different takes on the same character, the ultimate reason wont be the director's vision of the character, their research or their particular style, it's the fact that one of them is a girl.......Nice.
Yeah, uh, coming up with a shortlist of director picks and restricting it to female directors (who are a woefully underrepresented group (http://www.avclub.com/article/there-are-fewer-women-employed-in-hollywood-than-t-106941), and that isn't going to change unless steps like these are taken, because things are somehow getting worse for women in film), most of whom are leagues better than the majority of existing superhero movie directors, to direct the first major female superhero movie in ages isn't exactly a problem.
But then again, they could literally announce anything and you'd somehow find fault with it, because it's your entire schtick. Anything that isn't exactly the same as what came before is anathema to you.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 28, 2014, 03:22:07 am
so you are saying a woman will do a better job, because it's a woman.
No, dumb shit. I'm saying there's better ODDS (that a woman will represent a woman in a better light). Not that it WILL happen. Obviously there are men who are perfectly able to show women in a good light. But it's just as obvious that these men do NOT WORK AT WARNER. We KNOW the guys Warner would hire for this movie, if they hired a man. And they do NOT do that well, we KNOW that.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Niitris on October 28, 2014, 03:24:39 am
It's called "Gender Equality" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality) boys. Are you people actually trying to justify gender bias?
Actually... yes.
One of the central themes of Wonder Woman is to represent females in a positive light. It's not so much about "well a man can't do it as well" or anything to the likes, more than it is "let's have a woman lead the direction of a movie about a superheroine." Makes sense looking at it that way.
Not all concepts involving gender discrimination are inherently bad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Roman55 on October 28, 2014, 03:27:46 am
Five bucks says Warner Bros Corporate impose so much shit on the movie that having a woman director won't do much to help it be good or successful
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 03:33:00 am
Pffffff!
It's a job interview people, nothing more. It's a job can be done by BOTH sexes, all races and sexual orientations. The key factor is having the skills necessary to do the best job.
Picking someone based on any other factor is the definition of discrimination.
Five bucks says Warner Bros Corporate impose so much shit on the movie that having a woman director won't do much to help it be good or successful
I have no doubts the movie will be terrible, but there's always an off chance for it to be good, I guess, as long as Goyer and Snyder have no role in it. At the very least it will provide a really big, much needed boost to a director's career (save for Bigelow)
although I am hoping they don't grab either Bigelow or MacLauren, cause Marvel needs to grab them for the Black Widow and Captain Marvel movies, respectively >:[
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 28, 2014, 03:35:40 am
Yep, good ep of Gotham tonight, nice cliffhanger keeping that interest up.
Five bucks says Warner Bros Corporate impose so much shit on the movie that having a woman director won't do much to help it be good or successful
That's even odds, but at least it won't be an excuse anymore. Kind of like if the Finches screw up the comic in a few months.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 28, 2014, 03:38:53 am
The interviews with the Finches have been giving off such Giant Size Man-Thing (wait shit wrong company!!!) sized warning signs that I think it's all but certain to be a disaster.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Roman55 on October 28, 2014, 03:40:10 am
The interviews with the Finches have been giving off such Giant Size Man-Thing (wait shit wrong company!!!) sized warning signs that I think it's all but certain to be a disaster.
I think it's incredibly interesting that when we've finally got books moving back quality wise to pre-52 levels Wonder Woman is probably going to be moving right back where she was quality wise as well. Such is life.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 03:54:52 am
@ Jmorphman
You're right, when you stand back and look at the situation as a whole, it's like we're all looking at victorian 'flying machine' that doesn't stand a chance at getting off the ground, let alone fly properly. (http://medleyana.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/failed-flying-machines-o.gif)
We're all just waiting to watch it crash, dissecting the reasons why it just can't work :disappointed:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 28, 2014, 03:57:41 am
It's a job interview people, nothing more. It's a job can be done by BOTH sexes, all races and sexual orientations.
Again, you're ignoring the Warner factor. What you're saying is generally correct - just not in the case of Warner and the DC movies. If this was any original superhero movie with a female lead, done by anyone, no one would demand a woman to direct it just for the sake of having a woman, and a man could very well do fine just as much as a woman - or forcing a woman on it could just as well result in something terrible, depending on those hypothetical man's and woman's talents. Talent would be the only thing we would (and should) care about in that hypothetical situation. But this is Warner, and this is a DC movie. What you're saying just holds no ground. We know what they'd do.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on October 28, 2014, 04:10:14 am
Well heck, DC's doing pretty well on TV (I guess? I dunno I couldn't get into Arrow at all and Gotham sounds wretched and I was so excited for iZombie but they changed so much and there isn't even going to be any gay wereterriers or teenage ghosts from the 60s so why even look forward to it) without Goyer and Johns!
Wait.
What's that?
David Goyer is attached to a show about pre-explosion Krypton? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/27/man-of-steel-writer-david-goyer-attached-to-new-tv-show-its-name-krypton/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus)
Oh. Ohhhhhhhh. Oh no. Oh no no no no no.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 28, 2014, 04:15:11 am
Watch Flash, it's everything that anyone could possibly want from a superhero series. It's Arrow without the baggage of its first season. Trust me on this.
Unless you don't like the Flash as a character, but then if that's the case nothing can help you. Abandon all hope.
David Goyer is attached to a show about pre-explosion Krypton? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/27/man-of-steel-writer-david-goyer-attached-to-new-tv-show-its-name-krypton/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus)
Oh. Ohhhhhhhh. Oh no. Oh no no no no no.
Oh dear. Well, this TV-verse was nice while it lasted I suppose.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Roman55 on October 28, 2014, 04:19:05 am
Isn't the TV series production stuff ran by other people though? That would explain why Arrow and Flash are alright (not interested enough to watch Gotham but I hear it's better than expected).
David Goyer is attached to a show about pre-explosion Krypton? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/27/man-of-steel-writer-david-goyer-attached-to-new-tv-show-its-name-krypton/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus)
Oh. Ohhhhhhhh. Oh no. Oh no no no no no.
I weep
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 28, 2014, 04:23:50 am
Flash isn't too great IMO. It's good, it's got the good things that Arrow learned, but it's super corny, with lots of clichés and the awkwardness that goes with it - it went too far in the opposite of the spectrum Arrow started at. In short, it's a bit on the same format as Smallville was at (supervillains everywhere), but it's justified and it works. Arrow, starting from the last third of the first season, is good and gets better with Deathstroke in season 2 and S3 is fine so far, Flash is nice but it's still walking a fine line for now (it hasn't gone into "too much" territory yet so I'm waiting to see more), and Gotham started on a very slippery slope but it's getting better quickly enough. And yes, Arrow and Flash are from the CW Network which has nothing to do with anyone in the movies, I don't think the movies guys get to touch those, and Gotham is yet another network.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 04:25:51 am
That's irrelevant, it doesn't matter who *stops* Hmmmmmm
Can you expand on that a bit? What dose said " Warner factor" mean in your eyes? To me-
The people at DC frankly have no clue what to do with these iconic characters right now, I think they're really just throwing $hit at the wall to see what sticks at this point.
With Warner, 'it is, what it is', they'd have these two play poker for two hours and they'd care less as they know it'll make money, because that's what their bottom line is.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on October 28, 2014, 04:29:41 am
Can you expand on that a bit? What dose said " Warner factor" mean in your eyes?
Man of Steel, Justice League, thinking Nolan's Dark Knight was the second coming of Jesus and trying to redo the same with their version of Avengers, trying super hard to get in on the Avengers train even years after Avengers came out, and doing all the wrong things (no humor ! dark and gritty ! Batman versus v Superman !) In a word, this entire thread. I don't really know if those are Warner's or DC's fault, but I'm more saying that to point at the movies that have come out so far. Replace Warner with DCCU in my posts if you think it's more appropriate.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Niitris on October 28, 2014, 04:31:47 am
All of this makes me wish I had TV readily available (no cable where I'm currently staying).
Yeah there's tube and streaming sites but I can't fit PC time for it along the hundreds of other things I do.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 28, 2014, 04:33:01 am
Flash isn't too great IMO. It's good, it's got the good things that Arrow learned, but it's super corny, with lots of clichés and the awkwardness that goes with it - it went too far in the opposite of the spectrum Arrow started at. In short, it's a bit on the same format as Smallville was at (supervillains everywhere), but it's justified and it works. Arrow, starting from the last third of the first season, is good and gets better with Deathstroke in season 2 and S3 is fine so far, Flash is nice but it's still walking a fine line for now (it hasn't gone into "too much" territory yet so I'm waiting to see more), and Gotham started on a very slippery slope but it's getting better quickly enough. And yes, Arrow and Flash are from the CW Network which has nothing to do with anyone in the movies, I don't think the movies guys get to touch those, and Gotham is yet another network.
You and me are in agreement on Gotham and Arrow, but this isn't exactly big news. But I gotta say that the corniness of Flash is the best part to me. The Flash is like the poster boy for comic book silliness.
But this week's episode will be the real litmus test, because how they handle Captain Cold is gonna be how they handle the Rogues. And how they handle the Rogues is going to make or break this show.
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Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 04:35:55 am
Well said DKDC, Agreed.
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Post by: Byakko on October 28, 2014, 04:38:09 am
But I gotta say that the corniness of Flash is the best part to me. The Flash is like the poster boy for comic book silliness.
Hm, makes sense. I'll keep an open mind on that then. I felt it was walking on eggs after being introduced in Arrow, I hope we get more interactions between Oliver and Barry to make this "complete". Stephen Amell seems to have a great vision of their relationship, from a recent interview from I don't know which Comicon I saw a few days ago, so I'm looking forward to that.
edit ... well I just started watching Gotham episode 6, and we get a "ten years ago" and younger Bullock was hero-of-justice Gordon and had his own cynical Bullock. ... This is extremely shaky, they're playing a very dangerous game. At least the guy who plays Penguin is great, and the guy who plays... Maroni ? The actor who played Angel Batista in Dexter, he's pretty good too. Worth keeping an eye on, but it's always on the verge of making you roll your eyes up.
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Post by: Sky79 on October 28, 2014, 06:49:27 am
Set Photos (http://www.inquisitr.com/1566217/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-set-photos-reveal-bruce-wayne-scene/)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Bruce’s parents funeral is a flashback, just like in Joel Schumacher's Batman movies...Um, Yay?
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Post by: Bea on October 28, 2014, 10:14:49 am
I like that they are trying to go for a female director for Wonder Woman. That would bring some fresh ideas that could make the film watchable. Now, if only we can get Gal Gadot replaced with a rock we could get a more expressive and imposing Wonder Woman.
I am so desperate that I think even Hayden Christensen would make for a better and more expressive Wonder Woman. And I compare his acting skills unfavourably to that of a rock or a cardboard cutout...
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Post by: Bastard Mami on October 29, 2014, 12:57:34 am
vin diesel on a wig would make for a better wonder woman.
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Post by: Bea on October 29, 2014, 01:13:51 am
vin diesel on a wig would make for a better wonder woman.
Darn right he would. I'd approve of Vin Diesel on a wig Wonder Woman.
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Post by: Person Man on October 29, 2014, 01:26:12 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava-4.png[/avatar]Casting rumors for Suicide Squad include potential rewrites to add Harley Quinn. (http://www.movieweb.com/suicide-squad-movie-harley-quinn-cara-delevingne)
Because sure, you can have Harley Quinn without there being a Joker. That makes fucking sense.
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Post by: Mgbenz on October 30, 2014, 04:25:15 am
Hasn't she had multiple solo titles before? Also I remember her teaming up with Poison Ivy or something.
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Post by: Byakko on October 30, 2014, 04:41:27 am
Yeah, quickly after the cartoon introduction, when the Joker wasn't around, she soon got a lesbian yay phase with Ivy, and some years back the comics threw in Catwoman for good measure. I think it depends on the version of Harley you keep of her, though : the harlequin fool from the cartoon easily has phases without Joker, but the homicidal nutcase often falls back on having Joker ram his way into the story sooner or later like she can't survive long enough without him. ... Not that the former doesn't have that too, actually.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 30, 2014, 05:41:22 am
Hmm, well, I don't think it's a huge issue to put Harley in there. I mean sure, it's gonna be weird as shit to have a version of Harley without a corresponding version of the Joker; I guess they could always have a cameo or something, but the lack of a pre-established relationship is pretty odd. Which is true of the idea of doing a Suicide Squad movie so soon in the first place, without building up any of the villains who will make up the squad. Not that Captain Boomerang, Deadshot, and the rest need whole movies where they're the villains, but... I dunno, just seems weird; Assault on Arkham's Squad was mostly newcomers, save for Harley and Deadshot, but Harley was used as an emotional anchor, because everyone watching that movie knows what Harley's deal is, because they've played the games (I mean, probably. Mostly). This movie doesn't really have that luxury.
But just the general idea of Harley in the Squad is perfectly fine, I think it's probably the best place for her in comics, really (notwithstanding terrible nu52 Suicide Squad). Harley partnering up with the Joker in the comics is just something that can't be sustained for that long (and eventually did fall apart, with Harley becoming sorta heroic even, afterwards); cartoon Joker had just the right balance of murderous and wacky to have Harley as his sidekick last indefinitely, but in the comics he's simply too murderous and Harley needs to be able to be empathized with to work as a character. Putting her in Suicide Squad with a bunch of other sympathetic villains like Deadshot (and of course, some not not so sympathetic ones, because it is Suicide Squad) is a pretty great idea.
Watch Flash, it's everything that anyone could possibly want from a superhero series. It's Arrow without the baggage of its first season. Trust me on this.
I mean, I dunno, it just looked all kinds of off and ugh Barry (and they crib most of his personality from Wally, and jeez, they're even stealing his love interest, an actress for Linda Park was just cast!!! (http://www.avclub.com/article/flash-casts-its-linda-park-211029)) and double ugh retconned murdered mom backstory and also they keep doing that thing Arrow does where they name a minor or single episode character after a comics character but never really do anything with them deserving of their namesake and/or kill them off (I mean how the fuck do you waste Kate Spencer, Arrow???); better to just use a new character than resorting to (in my opinion) cheap fanservice.
I know I'm probably being weird about this.
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Post by: Byakko on October 30, 2014, 06:13:26 am
(I mean how the fuck do you waste Kate Spencer, Arrow???)
Eh, that was from the first season, when they tried to go the "everyone is normal" route with only doing oblique namedrops (like at the very beginning, "oh Laurel Lance your voice shall be heard through the city !" and Thea being nicknamed Speedy). She was introduced as a random attorney, and when they started backpedalling hard on that, they probably couldn't figure out how to fix her, so they just said ah fuck it let's kill her off. It's still better, and it's still going well on the road to embracing superheroes on a League of Assassins background right now.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 31, 2014, 02:58:54 am
First casting call for Supergirl (http://comicsalliance.com/cbs-supergirl-tv-series-casting-kara-danvers/):
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For Kara Zor-El aka Kara Danvers, the show is eyeing Caucasian females, age 22 to 26, to play 24. As the series’ mythology goes, Kara at age 12 was sent from her dying home planet of Krypton to Earth, where she was taken in by the Danvers, a foster family who taught her to be careful with her extraordinary powers. After repressing said skills for more than a decade, Kara is forced to bust out her super moves in public during an unexpected disaster. Energized by her heroism for the first time in her life, she begins embracing her abilities in the name of helping the people of her city, earning herself a super moniker along the way.
The other lead role currently being cast is that of 26-year-old Alexandra “Alex” Danvers, Kara’s gorgeous, brilliant, science-minded foster sister. Growing up, Alex was partly jealous of her sibling yet also fascinated by her abilities, prompting Alex to learn as much as she could about alien anthropology, sociology and culture. Today, Alex works for a secret government organization and, alongside her heroic sis, will face many challenges, both mundane and super.
:-\
So, she's not named Linda Danvers, because a Superman character can't have two different names, it's too hard to remember.
also I guess Superman doesn't exist in the show? Maybe? That's all kinds of weird.
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Post by: Sky79 on November 01, 2014, 12:17:03 am
Spoiler: New Pics(click to see content)
(http://i.imgur.com/Gc0lUuC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/C3ZhN94.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tYy7qoV.jpg)
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 02, 2014, 09:45:16 pm
More casting calls for Supergirl (http://tvline.com/2014/10/31/supergirl-casting-jimmy-olsen-cat-grant/)
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CAT GRANT | The project is eyeing females in their 40s, open ethnicity, to play the founder of CatCo, a media conglomerate that Cat built from the ground up. Kara (Supergirl’s mild-mannered alter ego) will work as a personal assistant to Cat, who is described as “J.Lo by way of Anna Wintour.”
JAMES OLSEN | In his late 20s/early 30s, open ethnicity, James is a smart, worldly and (duh) attractive photographer for CatCo. Though an alpha male, his salt-of-the-earth nature elicits a huge ol’ crush from Kara.
WINSLOW ‘WYNN’ SCHOTT | This twentysomething tech whiz/Comic-Con stalwart toils for CatCo as a programmer, unaware of his own (toying?) potential. Unware of her secret, he carries a torch for Kara, whom he lives next door to.
HANK HENSHAW | As an upstart CIA agent, Hank grew obsessed with intergalactic intel. Now in his 40s and lording over the DEO (Department of Extra-Normal Operations), he is on high alert when Supergirl reveals herself, worried that her otherworldly abilities pose a threat to humankind.
... they seem to be trying to make this Supergirl show independent and less derivative of Superman, and they're doing that by taking a good deal of Superman's supporting cast and transplanting it to basically the Daily Planet but on the internet?
jesus christ
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Post by: Byakko on November 02, 2014, 09:51:07 pm
James Olsen, attractive, alpha male, Kara has a crush on him. ... Right.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 02, 2014, 09:59:34 pm
Oh jeez, I missed that part. Alpha male Jimmy Olsen? What the fuck?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 02, 2014, 10:03:20 pm
Yeah, I was really starting to look forward to this being a show about Supergirl, but this is clearly a show about gender-swapped Superman. You've got her Lex (they weren't even subtle about that one), her Lois, her Perry, they even threw in a Chloe from Smallville to be eternally friendzoned. Very disappointing.
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Post by: Byakko on November 02, 2014, 10:05:43 pm
they even threw in a Chloe from Smallville to be eternally friendzoned.
If you mean the Schott guy, apparently that's Toyman.
Oh, I'm aware of the character he's supposed to be I'm just laying out what he is.
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Post by: Byakko on November 02, 2014, 10:14:42 pm
Ah, you mean the friendzone thing, I thought you were talking about the original character insertion.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 08, 2014, 07:53:23 pm
Jared Leto might be playing the Joker in the Suicide Squad movie (http://www.thewrap.com/jared-leto-eyed-to-play-the-joker-in-wbs-suicide-squad-exclusive/) (though unlikely to be part of the team, probably just for Harley's backstory)
also the Rock says Shazam will be fun and independent from the DCCU movies (https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/528772642531454976)
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Post by: Bea on November 08, 2014, 07:59:16 pm
Jared Leto might be playing the Joker in the Suicide Squad movie (http://www.thewrap.com/jared-leto-eyed-to-play-the-joker-in-wbs-suicide-squad-exclusive/) (though unlikely to be part of the team, probably just for Harley's backstory)
also the Rock says Shazam will be fun and independent from the DCCU movies (https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/528772642531454976)
The first one is... an interesting pick. Could be fitting and could work nicely.
Now, on the second one, I am working on believing it. A DC Super Hero Film that will involve fun? Must be some sort of dream and I will wake up any minute now.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 08, 2014, 08:02:56 pm
I don't know, a superhero movie with jokes and fun? It could never work. Warner's for the DCCU is the only way to make these kinds of movies. (http://comicsalliance.com/warner-bros-no-jokes-dc-comics-movies-superman-justice-league/NO JOKES plan[/url)
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Post by: Tyrant Belial on November 08, 2014, 08:23:47 pm
It's likely he was asked to play Shazam, not the other way. And he refused unless it was a fun movie.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 08, 2014, 08:50:38 pm
Jared Leto might be playing the Joker in the Suicide Squad movie (http://www.thewrap.com/jared-leto-eyed-to-play-the-joker-in-wbs-suicide-squad-exclusive/) (though unlikely to be part of the team, probably just for Harley's backstory)
You know, I could get behind that. I think he could do a really good job in the role, even if it's not going to be a big one. Unless they're adapting Assault on Arkham I guess.
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Post by: SNT on November 10, 2014, 01:27:50 pm
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Post by: Sky79 on November 11, 2014, 01:47:11 am
"She's got the look", and the voice.
I approve
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 13, 2014, 04:45:42 pm
Bland slab of beef Jai Courtney is being eyed for Deadshot (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jai-courtney-eyed-for-batman-villain-deadshot-in-suicide-squad-exclusive-1201354892/); in addition, the role Tom Hardy is being sought was revealed to be Rick Flag, leader of the Suicide Squad, and Will Smith's role is rumored to be... Captain Boomerang?!?!?!
... that's absolutely crazy, but he could definitely pull it off. He definitely needs to have an Australian accent, though. Aclaimed, two-time Emmy winning director Michelle MacLaren (of Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones fame) is the frontrunner for the Wonder Woman director's chair. (http://www.thewrap.com/wonder-woman-director-search-breaking-bads-michelle-maclaren-emerges-as-frontrunner/) I really wanted her to do a Marvel movie but hey if anyone could make lemonade out of Snyder and Goyer's shitty, shitty lemons, it would be her. :(
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Post by: Sky79 on November 13, 2014, 11:21:37 pm
Harley Quinn AND Joker in Suicide Squad? I pray this film never comes to fruition.
wellllllllllllllllllllll
It would work if the Joker wasn't actually on the Squad itself, but I doubt they're trying to get Leto for just a cameo (the only way I could see that happening is if they were planning on using the Joker later on in a solo Batman movie, but there's no room on the schedule probably), it would have to be a meatier role. And heck, Assault on Arkham had Harley on the Squad and Joker as the main antagonist basically, and that worked pretty well!
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Post by: Byakko on November 14, 2014, 05:04:28 am
Yeah, either main antagonist or the third party running interference and shitting up the mission, that can easily work.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on November 14, 2014, 05:11:19 am
they are going to ruin this and make him a mentor character.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on November 14, 2014, 05:24:19 am
they are going to ruin this and make him a mentor character.
Please no man! Just made Joker like (or closely) in Assault on Arkham.
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Post by: Japanese Jesus on December 03, 2014, 05:31:39 am
Eyebrows Delevingne being in Suicide Squad makes me want to break my comics adaptation boycott.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 03, 2014, 08:38:19 am
So apparently cast is confirmed.... dunno how I feel about Will Smith as Deadshot. Will be interesting to see how Rick Flag fits in, since he hasnt been featured in any Suicide Squad stories in a long time, as far as remember.
Also.. Boomerang? Really? Why not Captain Boomerang? is it so hard to use their proper names?
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Post by: Neocide on December 03, 2014, 09:13:01 am
the are going to confuse viewers who watch the tv series that have these same characters, DC's live action is all over the place. Also from what I hear, Oprah is their first choice for Amanda Waller :/
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Post by: Tyrant Belial on December 03, 2014, 09:20:39 am
That's a horrible choice.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 03, 2014, 09:39:30 am
the are going to confuse viewers who watch the tv series that have these same characters, DC's live action is all over the place.
I'm pretty sure those same people are then gonna be confused by a black Deadshot.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 03, 2014, 07:26:33 pm
On the one hand, that was the argument behind the Bat-embargo (when the Justice League cartoon couldn't use any Batman characters besides Batman himself, because The Batman [another cartoon, with its own continuity] was airing at the same time, because they didn't want to "confuse viewers") and that was pretty bullshit because even kids can tell that kinda thing, but live action often does bring up that kind of confusion (like people who thought Batman Begins was a prequel to Batman 89, and whatnot)
I dunno, I think it's pretty inspired; Oprah's an amazing actor, she could definitely pull it off. Not that there's any chance in hell that it would happen, because I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Oprah will sign on to a superherovillain movie franchise.
Octavia Spencer and Viola Davis are also in the running, and those are also great picks. I'm so glad they're not doing 20 year old supermodel Waller.
Will Smith can definitely do Deadshot, especially if they play up the deadpan humor aspect; Tom Hardy and Margot Robbie are both great, no worries there; I still dunno how to feel about Jared Leto in general so who knows with that; Jai Courtney is pretty awful at acting and I don't know how he's now attached to three fucking action franchises; and I've never heard of Cara Delevingne and she hasn't been in much so who knows with that. Glad they're including Enchantress though, she's great, but they better not kill her! We need a Shadowpact movie, I want to see Detective Chimp on screen. >:[
so uh yeah, mixed feelings all around, like everything involving the DC movies. They've got a mostly fantastic cast and a surefire premise, I really don't want them to screw it up. Suicide Squad deserves the best! and speaking of mixed feelings all around; Michelle MacLaren (an absolutely fabulous director of acclaimed episodes of Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, and The Walking Dead) is directing Wonder Woman (http://www.avclub.com/article/michelle-maclaren-officially-signs-direct-wonder-w-212305), and will be directly involved with developing the script. Basically, the best case scenario for this. But... I dunno, I wanted her to do a Marvel movie!
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Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 04, 2014, 02:13:34 am
haha yeah you already hit us with the Info on the walking dead director doing wonder woman info twice. You posted it earlier too ;)
well heres something i saw yesterday too which i was surprised to see http://badassdigest.com/2014/12/02/find-out-which-batvillain-has-a-cameo-in-batman-v-superman/?utm_content=buffere15c2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 04, 2014, 02:21:21 am
haha yeah you already hit us with the Info on the walking dead director doing wonder woman info twice. You posted it earlier too ;)
I totally forgot about that previous post but the one I just posted came a week later and was when it was made official so it still counts!!!
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Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 04, 2014, 02:39:14 am
haha yeah you already hit us with the Info on the walking dead director doing wonder woman info twice. You posted it earlier too ;)
I totally forgot about that previous post but the one I just posted came a week later and was when it was made official so it still counts!!!
ah ok ill take that haha
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Post by: Person Man on December 04, 2014, 04:39:36 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordbutterfly.png[/avatar]KGBeast confirmed for Bat Pilgrim vs The World (http://comicsalliance.com/kgbeast-to-appear-in-batman-v-superman-maybe-be-the-best-thing-in-it/) because why the actual fuck not at this point.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 04, 2014, 04:42:53 am
It's just gonna be one of those things where it's an off-screen or exceedingly minor on-screen character who is only mentioned and probably killed in some explosion or something.
S&M clad Soviet assassins with gun-arms just don't get any respect these days.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 08, 2014, 03:42:49 am
John Ostrander, the creator of the Suicide Squad (and one of my all time favorite comic book writers ever) did an interview about his thoughts on the casting (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57562); he thinks they're all good choices, but was most excited about the possibilty of Oprah Winfrey as Amanda Waller. He also wants a Stan Lee type cameo, and they better fucking give it to him!!!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 08, 2014, 03:57:47 am
I think I'm more excited for this movie than I am for Law and Order: BvS. Whoever they've got casting this is going all out.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on December 08, 2014, 04:10:04 am
Dude I can't wait for that movie, I want to see how Captain Boomerang is going to be. Hopefully better then arrow, which was disappointing.
Him and Deadshot are the characters I'm looking forward to seeing the most.
I also heard there is a Booster Gold movie in the works, all my hype!
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Post by: Bastard Mami on December 08, 2014, 08:55:46 pm
John Ostrander, the creator of the Suicide Squad (and one of my all time favorite comic book writers ever) did an interview about his thoughts on the casting (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57562); he thinks they're all good choices, but was most excited about the possibilty of Oprah Winfrey as Amanda Waller. He also wants a Stan Lee type cameo, and they better fucking give it to him!!!
best stanlee type cameo is teh aku no hana mangaka in teha ku no hana anime. the anime is rotoscoped and low staffed, so he appears as several differentr secondary characters, even if that means wearing fake moustachoes, wigs and/or dresses.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 09, 2014, 02:26:43 am
I don't know what that means and I won't respond to it. I probably should put this in the entertainment news section because it's (probably, like all other DC shows) not gonna be in the same continuity as the DCCU, but who even cares; this isn't the MCU thread! Anyways...
Visonary screenwriter David S. Goyer is doing another DC show (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/syfy-david-goyer-developing-superman-755060?mobile_redirect=false), Krypton (which had been rumored a while back). Naturally it is set on Krypton, and follows Superman's grandfather "as he brings hope and equality to Krypton." I, for one, can't wait to see how they'll shoehorn references to Superman villains/mythos in terrible, terrible dialogue, ala Gotham. Also curious to see how Goyer will follow up his two previous shows in turning a gay character straight for this show (see his shitty da Vinci show, and his shitty Constantine show), which isn't really going to be able to use many established Superman characters!
in more hopeful/interesting news, Mark Hamill is playing the Trickster again for the new Flash series (http://comicsalliance.com/the-flash-mark-hamill-trickster-return/) which is pretty cool:
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Mark Hamill returns in a brand new interpretation of James Jesse (aka The Trickster), a role he originated on the 90′s ‘Flash’ series. In this new iteration, The Trickster is an anarchist terrorist con man serving a life sentence in Iron Heights who helps Barry (Grant Gustin) and Det. West (Jesse L. Martin) to foil the city-wide attacks of a wannabe Trickster eagerly following in the original’s deadly footsteps. The episode will reunite him with John Wesley Shipp who went up against him as the original ‘Flash’ on the CBS version.
Oh. oh. Ewwwwwwwwwww.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on December 09, 2014, 02:43:55 am
Visonary screenwriter David S. Goyer is doing another DC show (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/syfy-david-goyer-developing-superman-755060?mobile_redirect=false), Krypton (which had been rumored a while back). Naturally it is set on Krypton, and follows Superman's grandfather "as he brings hope and equality to Krypton." I, for one, can't wait to see how they'll shoehorn references to Superman villains/mythos in terrible, terrible dialogue, ala Gotham.
That's why I don't watch gotham.
Also I don't want to get a huge paragraph of angry ranting but who in Constantine is gay that they turned straight? I have yet to read hellblazer mind you, so take it easy.
So axel walker is going to be the version of the trickster they use.
I still hope he somehow gets air walking shoes.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 09, 2014, 02:50:32 am
Constantine is (was, maybe? there was a reboot) bi in the comics. When asked about this Goyer got all hot and bothered and basically dismissed the idea of that.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on December 09, 2014, 02:53:37 am
Constantine is (was, maybe? there was a reboot) bi in the comics. When asked about this Goyer got all hot and bothered and basically dismissed the idea of that.
Oh, I knew he was bisexual but I didn't know they explicitly stated he was not bi anywhere, the show has yet to show any of his sexual preferences but I'm like 4 episodes behind so what do I know.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 09, 2014, 03:08:02 am
Urgh.. this movie is just starting to sound worse and worse to me
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Post by: walt on December 09, 2014, 04:32:05 pm
Should every comic book movie stick to a comic book storyline? Marvel isn't necessarily doing that. The twist the article describes is ... unexplored (?) in the Batman comics, so it'd be an interesting spin IMO
STILL I agree with you being skeptical about DC movies in general, but this particular turn of events doesn't necessarily spell WORSE
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 10, 2014, 03:23:50 am
Spoiler: Spoilers for 12/09's Flash.(click to see content)
So Wells is, in fact, the Reverse Flash. No surprise there, although I appreciate the clear attempt at misdirection with the beatdown (For me, though, that was the proof. A sacrifice to ensure you get the winning move). Two things that really stood out: He did not touch Thawne of course, and the observation that there were two speedsters on the night Barry's mother died. It seems likely there's going to be a battle through time at some point.
Spoiler: Spoilers for 12/10's Arrow(click to see content)
Holy shit, Thea killed Sara! Holy shit Katana's husband may actually be Katana and Katana may be dead! Holy shit, Ollie's dead! Holy shit!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Mechy on January 10, 2015, 12:24:00 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Segatron on January 10, 2015, 01:00:19 pm
What I thought it was full standalone movie and they are doing 2 parts how lame can this get?
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Post by: Byakko on January 10, 2015, 01:33:38 pm
They realized they could make it two movies instead of one when they saw Marvel do that for Avengers Infinity War. It's not the worst idea considering the convoluted clusterfuck that it's going to be. ... But I thought they were already filming, what with all the casting reveals ? Well, the two parts are only five months apart, so they should have everything ready together, but I hope they planned for it well enough.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Thagr8test on January 10, 2015, 04:30:58 pm
Seeing all of these changes pop up I can't help but assume that the people in charge of these decisions are doing ridiculous amounts coke and firing off these ideas to eachother. There seems to be no clear plan in motion for this film at all it just seems they'll try to do what ever is working for other movie studios to try and increase this films success.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on January 10, 2015, 04:35:48 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Person Man on January 10, 2015, 04:41:45 pm
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordimpatient.png[/avatar]It sounds exactly like something they would do, though. Everything Warner's trying to do with this movie is 100% reactionary to what Avengers has already done. "Oh fuck, Marvel put all of their heroes in one movie? Quick, put all of our heroes in one movie!" "Oh fuck, Marvel's doing a two-parter? Quick, cut that movie into two halves and say we were totally planning to do that too!" It's really getting pathetic.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Byakko on January 10, 2015, 05:32:31 pm
That site is fake. This one (http://www.batmanvsupermandawnofjustice.com/) is correct, and I haven't checked it but it's probably much more legit than the one you linked to.
While the split may be a pathetic way to copy Marvel, it still makes a lot more sense to split such a massive gathering this way. Especially for Batman, who will take the spotlight of the first movie, that makes more sense than anything they've done so far. Or at least, it would if it had been something they prepared for a year ago.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 10, 2015, 06:57:21 pm
Uh, guys, recall that Warner announced the two part Justice League movie before Marvel rolled out their schedule with Infinity Wars part 1 and 2; kind of hard to copy something that hasn't been revealed. And that doesn't mean Marvel is copying Warner either, splitting your concluding chapter big blockbuster action movie into two is old hat by now (and that's not good, because it's a trend that has been pretty detrimental to those movies; I have higher hopes for Marvel though, because they mostly know what they're doing, but it is still somewhat worrying. It's definitely not impossible to craft a good two part movie [Kill Bill!!!] but there's a lot of potential pitfalls: being overly bloated, not telling a complete story in either movie, and so on)
but uh yeah it looks fake anyway and changing up the release dates for this thing again strains credulity; however, that subtitle "Enter the Knight" fits in perfectly with the shitiness of "Dawn of Justice"
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on January 11, 2015, 01:48:53 am
That site is fake. This one (http://www.batmanvsupermandawnofjustice.com/) is correct, and I haven't checked it but it's probably much more legit than the one you linked to.
i thought the same thing at first, but the site being fake is part of his point. the image's url is the same site he linked to. fake image linking to a fake site
then again maybe the image says batmanvsuperman instead of batmansuperman (it's hard to tell) and i'm just talking out my ass
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Post by: Byakko on January 11, 2015, 02:16:28 am
Yeah, the image is so damn blurry, my first guess would be a parenthesis but I would still tend to think that's a v in there. I really don't see why you'd make a fake image and then point to a fake website, so I'm just assuming the image and the fake site aren't related at all. Of course, the image pointing to the real site doesn't make the image real, either.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Person Man on January 11, 2015, 02:22:45 am
why would you call someone stupid for something they posted 2 months ago
Because it's Sky79 and starting stupid arguments for no reason is like 85% of what he does.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Sky79 on January 11, 2015, 02:53:03 am
Gotta love you guys, pretending to miss an obvious point and the sole reason for the existence of an emoticon, all for the chance it might, juuust might upset someone you don't like.
I'm actually honored, much love :beatnik:
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 11, 2015, 03:43:09 am
Jesus dick, cut that shit out. Stop derailing these threads every goddamn time you post, it is really not hard.
There will be no further warning.
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Post by: Person Man on January 11, 2015, 04:22:07 am
Gotta love you guys, pretending to miss an obvious point and the sole reason for the existence of an emoticon, all for the chance it might, juuust might upset someone you don't like.
I'm actually honored, much love :beatnik:
Get over yourself, Sky. You quoted a two-month old post with nothing to add but an emote. There is no "obvious point" there beyond the fact you are obviously fishing for another argument.
I'm seconding what Jmorphman said. These petty jabs to incite flame wars stop now. Next time it happens, you're out of here. And yes, that includes a rebuttal to either of these warnings. This is not up for discussion.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 20, 2015, 12:23:06 am
Tom Hardy has exited Suicide Squad, possibly to be replaced with Jake Gyllenhaal. The reason was originally speculated to be scheduling conflicts, but a Latino Review report (http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-the-real-reason-for-tom-hardys-exit-from-suicide-squad) suggests he left because he didn't like the script (none of the actors were given one until recently), and there was apparently some drastic changes to his character (Rick Flag Jr., the government agent who serves as the Squad's field commander), and that the latest draft may have refocused the story to be mostly on Deadshot and the Joker, to every other character's expense. Deadshot getting a lot of focus makes, and like the Assault on Arkham movie, he and Harley should be the focus of this movie. But ugh don't jam the Joker in there and make him the second most character. -_-
That was a couple of days ago and now there's another article by Latino Review with what it purports to be major spoilers for the movie (http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-an-inside-look-at-suicide-squad):
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
namely that Rick Flag is gonna turn out to be the secret villain (along with his father), who want the weapons (superpowered villains) Waller is amassing for their own gain. Which... is terrible, and a fundamental betrayal of Flag's character. Flag, in the comics, was a devoted agent, utterly loyal to a fault to his government, the only moral person in a team of awful people, whose survivor's guilt left him a deeply depressed, hollow shell of a man who resented his posting in the Squad, surrounded by supervillains.
So to take that character and remove most of his screentime, and then turn him into a power-hungry traitor... I don't even know. It sounds like garbage, and it fills me with absolutely no confidence in this Suicide Squad movie if they are willing to so casually fuck up one of its most important characters.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Tyrant Belial on January 20, 2015, 01:52:43 am
Iunno they are willing to make superman (More) boring, gray, uncaring and willign to destroy an entire city without care. They're willing to ruin all their characters.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on January 20, 2015, 02:01:04 am
But I had a modicum of hope that this project at least would avoid that!!! (because Suicide Squad is already, thematically, in current DC's wheelhouse, and also Goyer and Snyder are not involved creatively, at least majorly)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2015, 02:14:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gZhqwrG.jpg) apparently the crew members have been wearing this
Is Batman gonna wear this for Justice League stuff? Or is it too expensive and thus can only be used for dickpunching Superman? (I know it's from TDKR, but Batman doesn't stick around to form the JLA after he brings out that suit)
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 21, 2015, 02:25:27 am
There's been pics of him in a normal suit, so I'd have to imagine it's purely for fighting Superman. Seems like it'd be too clunky to deal with for extended periods of time. Probably going to be mostly CGI as well, and by the time we get to Justice League Part Deux with flying and lightning and blur effects and a half machine man and full machine men and water water everywhere, I think they're going to be happy with a guy in a normal suit and a practical jet cockpit he can be filmed in.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2015, 03:07:11 am
I mean for like an invasion by Darkseid or whatever; I couldn't really think of a good in-story reason for Batman not to wear that for Justice League level events. Sure it takes up all of Gotham's electricity to power it but hey the world's gonna end otherwise, or something.
I just am not a big fan of them introducing what is the final culmination of Batman's gadgets, that can't really be topped, in Batman's first appearance basically; especially when the only reason for it being here is "it was in DKR"
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2015, 07:39:03 am
Supergirl has started casting:
(http://i.imgur.com/8jNzHGd.jpg) Melissa Benoist is playing Supergirl (http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/supergirl-melissa-benoist-cbs-kara-casting-1201411869/)
(http://i.imgur.com/kBi3TE0.jpg) and Mehcad Brooks will play Jimmy Olsen (http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/supergirl-mechad-brooks-cast-james-olsen-1201417912/)
I swear to god if he's not wearing a bow tie, heads will roll. Also, though his Instagram account, Tyrese Gibson has been either campaigning heavily or hinting at his casting for the Green Lantern role in Justice League, presumably the John Stewart version. He's been posting fan-made mockups of himself in costume, and most recently shared a picture of the Warner Brothers studio entrance (http://instagram.com/p/yaebkKoZpK), most likely to discuss the role, maybe?
All of which makes a ton of sense, because John Stewart is the Green Lantern people actually know and like because of the Justice League cartoon (to the point where there was significant confusion when Ryan Reynolds was cast as the lead of that terrible GL movie), and also because Hal Jordan sucks. Like seriously he's so, so terrible.
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Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2015, 09:34:05 am
Quote
and also because Hal Jordan sucks. Like seriously he's so, so terrible.
You know you do that about as often as Red says the Fantastic Four suck. I like Hal Jordan.
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Post by: QuickFist on January 29, 2015, 04:08:24 pm
I like Jordan too. But Stewart is better. Anyway, I'm not looking forward to any of the DC films but I hope at least GL gets redeemed
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 29, 2015, 04:18:03 pm
Comics Stewart is better because he's an architect like Alan Scott, ex-military, and blew up a planet. DCAU Stewart is worse, because he's just ex-military and makes guns and lasers. Since Tyrese has been playing military or ex-military guys that shoot guns at things for almost all of his career, I don't have a lot of confidence that we're getting the comics version.
And Kyle Rayner is better than both of them.
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Post by: Segatron on January 29, 2015, 04:35:14 pm
Actually My favorite is Hal than followed by Kyle and Jon....But Yeah Live Action version of Jon might be awesome
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on January 29, 2015, 04:37:03 pm
My favorites Green Lanterns are Stewart and Rayner. And i like the new one in the comics (Simon Baz) and the original one (Alan Scott) I really didn't like Jordan so much. But Gardner is the worst GL for me.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on January 29, 2015, 05:00:58 pm
My Favorite Lantern is Probably Guy followed by Hal.
Though I like Simon more now, but that might be due to bias since we are both Lebanese. :)
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2015, 05:33:11 pm
the best lantern is clearly, objectively, and scientifically Guy Gardner, followed by John Stewart and then Kyle Rayner I guess I mean I dunno he never really had that "it" factor to me and I guess Morrison used him well but I don't think he had like a definitive solo run like say Wally West?
You know you do that about as often as Red says the Fantastic Four suck.
Really on a tear about this, huh. Good thing I actually read comics and consume media with Hal Jordan in them and haven't literally admitted to intentionally trying to bait people! ::) I'm gonna back this up with a good ol' fashioned list of pros and cons
John Stewart pros:
has a personality
has more than one character trait, none of which is "asshole"
cons:
floundered a bit in the 90s while Kyle Rayner was the only active lantern
Hal Jordan pros:
???
has a good costume I guess?
cons:
is a smug, cocky asshole
had a long term sexual relationship with a 14 year old alien (I don't give a shit if her planet rotated around its sun half as fast as Earth or whatever, shit is gross man, Jesus, and no amount of retconning is changing that) (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2014/01/02/things-that-turned-out-bad-the-relationship-between-hal-jordan-and-arisia/)
Green Lantern: Rebirth is pretty much the start of Geoff Johns's downward spiral into pandering nostalgia combined with poor storytelling and needlessly graphic violence intended to seem more "mature and adult" that is so prevalent in his work today
"Hal Jordan once used a "White Power Battery" to charge up and defeat the evils of black power that were threatening the world." (https://twitter.com/theisb/status/292046042474622976)
I feel like I should reiterate the whole thing about dating a 14 year old, because. Seriously. Seriously.
but going deeper, he's just been a very, very bland hero for most of his history, and since being brought back has been given a really unlikeable personality. The former is really prevalent among a great majority of these early superheroes. They were designed specifically to be simplistic and bland! After DC had fully digested the innovations Marvel was doing in making its characters complex and human they started to try and apply it to their stable of heroes, but and some of them were harder to update than others, and further, some creative teams were much better than others at doing so. Some concepts like say, Batman, lent themselves very easily to this task ("boy swears to defeat all crime, trains for 15 years and then dresses up as a Dracula to do so!" just naturally gives out so many storytelling opportunities and character moments), while others like I dunno... Aquaman have gone nearly 40 years without anything sticking until now.
Or take someone like Green Arrow, who spent his early history as a very blatant ripoff of Batman with nothing really interesting or unique about him. Then along comes Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams who turn him into a overblown hippie and suddenly gold's been struck (they were less successful in doing the same with Green Lantern, even when they had combined the two characters and played them off each other into the team-up title "Green Lantern/Green Arrow"). Even characters older than the Silver Age heroes like the Justice Society members got developed more, even if a lot of it came from the inherent concept that the JSA heroes are from WWII and are much older and wiser than the Silver Age fellows.
So it's not exactly surprising that DC eventually killed off Barry Allen and gave the Flash role to Wally West (who had been fleshed out into an actual character in Teen Titans by then), tried to do the same with Hal Jordan (but fucked it up because where Barry Allen got the most heroic death ever and passed the role to his sidekick, Hal Jordan got turned into a raving murderous lunatic and the GL mantle was handed to a brand new character, and divided the fanbase), and kept trying to make Aquaman into an interesting character with countless revamps (when not even Peter David Kurt Busiek can pull it off, I think it's time to admit defeat!). Those changes were mostly pretty successful, and in the case of the Flash led to the best runs on the character, full stop. Which is why the regression to the Silver Age is so disheartening, even if they've tried to modernize and flesh out the characters. So Hal Jordan's fleshing out tied his personality to the whole "fearless hotshot test pilot" thing, and that basically meant he gets written as a hot headed jerk somewhat like Guy Gardner, except Hal's behavior is rewarded. We're supposed to think Hal Jordan is totally cool and look he punched out Batman how badass can he be. He's just pretty dang unlikeable while simultaneously being the least interesting and most bland of the Earth Lanterns and also HE DATED A 14 YEAR OLD.
Comics Stewart is better because he's an architect like Alan Scott, ex-military, and blew up a planet. DCAU Stewart is worse, because he's just ex-military and makes guns and lasers. Since Tyrese has been playing military or ex-military guys that shoot guns at things for almost all of his career, I don't have a lot of confidence that we're getting the comics version.
And Kyle Rayner is better than both of them.
Comics Stewart didn't become ex-military until it was retconned in after DCAU Stewart was established! :P
and it was for the worse because DCAU Stewart was a lot more lively and fun (but also serious) but Comics Stewart post-retcon suddenly became joyless and dull.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Roman55 on January 29, 2015, 05:47:32 pm
His time as The Spectre was alright. But other than that yeah I'd rather see Guy or John in a JLA movie.
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Post by: Segatron on January 29, 2015, 06:18:51 pm
Actually he has a pro the fact his girlfriend would become one his enemies at some point If he is that bland Than its a blessing others had out-shined him as Green Lantern When it comes to John Stewart, Guy Gardener and Kyle Rayner. (Alan Scott I really want to ignore him as well)
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Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2015, 07:27:25 pm
His time as The Spectre was alright. But other than that yeah I'd rather see Guy or John in a JLA movie.
That was was pretty good but it can't help that the run directly preceding it was the Ostrander one, which is pretty much, unequivocally, the definitive Spectre run.
also why the heck did Geoff Johns trash the whole interesting "Hal Jordan, as the new host of the Spectre, turns it into a spirit of forgiveness and redemption" angle a few years later, and turn the Hal Jordan Spectre into the same murderously avenging angel the Jim Corrigan one was? It had to have been like 2003 or so, Green Lantern: Rebirth was either coming out soon or was in the works already, and nothing in that story depended on the Spectre having to be all murder-y. It just felt so remarkably petty, an excuse for Geoff Johns to trash the very idea of the Hal Jordan Spectre for 2 issues (or however long that arc went) right before trashing the concept as a whole. :-\
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 29, 2015, 08:05:28 pm
'Cause Hal's the One True Lantern or whatever. For all that he did with Hal since, Johns really did himself a disservice poo-pooing all that flaws the character had that made him interesting: couldn't hold down a job (space cop doesn't pay in earth money, after all), couldn't maintain a relationship, romantic or otherwise (no teen sidekicks for this schlub), made very very stupid decision that were almost always spur of the moment (one REALLY bad one)...
Then Johns mostly explained it away with a space bug, rather than embracing it.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2015, 08:45:30 pm
It didn't really fee related to that at all, it just felt like Geoff Johns was stopping his JSA run dead in its tracks so he could expound at length about how terrible J.M. DeMatteis's run on the Spectre was because the Spectre has to kill people and it was really blatant and weird and pointless!
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Post by: Mechy on January 29, 2015, 09:12:56 pm
Doc Spectrum is the best Green Lantern.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 04, 2015, 03:57:16 am
Warner Brothers is reportedly working on a Legion of Super-Heroes movie (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/02/03/warners-are-working-on-a-legion-of-superheroes-movie/), aiming at a "Avengers-meets-Guardians" type of mood. Well. at least they're not trying to make Legion dark and dour?
... I can't, I can't be positive about this, please don't ruin Legion, please :(
oh and I can't find the link but I read something about Suicide Squad and apparently the current script doesn't have anyone use costumes because you know this is a dark and realistic universe involving a man powered by the sun who will save us from the dark, a dude who dresses up as Dracula to defeat all crime forever, and an Amazonian princess who vows to spread peace to the entire world.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2015, 08:43:01 am
Aquaman: (http://i.imgur.com/F7ppP1U.jpg) Yes yes DC we get it: Aquaman is totally badass. Please stop shouting it at us nonstop, stop trying to prove how much of a cool badass Aquaman is like you have been for the past 4 years. We get it. Jeez. :megaeyes: In Suicide Squad Joel Kinnaman is apparently the frontrunner to take over the Rick Flag role from the departing Tom Hardy but nothing's official, so I'm not gonna bother linking to anything.
aaaaand according to Latino Review, King Shark (KING SHARK!), Killer Frost, Livewire, and Blockbuster will all cameo in Suicide Squad. (https://instagram.com/p/zTBB3njpmv/)
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Post by: Bea on February 20, 2015, 10:24:25 am
You know, tattooed plate and scale maille ain't as effective as real plate and scale maille.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 20, 2015, 10:46:38 am
That looks terrible... wheres the flowing blonde locks of hair?
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2015, 10:49:47 am
Adding a blond wig to all that messiness would probably just make it look even worse.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on February 20, 2015, 10:58:38 am
I will call him Rob Zombieman
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Post by: Mgbenz on February 20, 2015, 03:51:15 pm
The comic community actually likes it.
No wonder I vastly prefer Marvel. Both DC and it's fans are perpetually stuck in that "badass and edgy" 90's mindset.
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Post by: Thedge on February 20, 2015, 03:54:03 pm
Thorin Oakenshield.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on February 20, 2015, 06:19:22 pm
10/10 nice pitchfork, would invite to a bbq,
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 20, 2015, 06:22:26 pm
Fucking Snyder man, Jesus
This is Ozymandias all over again
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, an actual movie title
Post by: Thedge on February 20, 2015, 06:29:40 pm
Ozymandias was actually fitting, this thing... well...
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on February 20, 2015, 09:08:08 pm
Aquaman will never be cool since he's only cool now cus they're trying to shove it down our throats that he isn't lame anymore.
HEY! >:( BatB Aquaman was THE coolest ever. And he was boisterous and OUTRAGEOUS!
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2015, 11:39:22 pm
Well... Brave and the Bold Aquaman wasn't written as TOTAL EDGY BADASS WHO TOTALLY DOESN'T TALK TO FISH GAWD and the episodes featuring him never spent the entirety of their running times loudly, angrily pushing back against Aquaman is lame jokes.
Ozymandias was actually fitting, this thing... well...
They put Ozymandias in a costume patterned on the Schumacher Batman costumes, complete with nipples! And when there was a shot of his computer scree there was a folder entitled "boys" on his desktop, in case the whole effete gay stereotype they turned Ozy into needed some reinforcement.
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Post by: Tyrant Belial on February 21, 2015, 01:20:41 am
BatB Aquaman was THE coolest ever. And he was boisterous and OUTRAGEOUS!
BatB Aquaman is the only version of the character I've ever enjoyed. It's because the writers on that show seem fully aware that the character of Aquaman is a giant, goofy, ridiculous concept that is very hard to take seriously, so they didn't even try to fight that and just wrote him as a giant, goofy, ridiculous guy who is very hard to take seriously.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 21, 2015, 03:08:51 am
Oh that's not true at all, Aquaman is very much so a concept that can be taken seriously!
It's just that he's named named Namor the Submariner.
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Post by: Byakko on March 05, 2015, 11:34:23 pm
Warner Bros CEO Thinks DC Films Are More Realistic And Edgier Than Marvel
lol no shit he does
Quote
“You don’t have to explain to the consumer what a ‘Batman v Superman’ is.”
Bad example, I'm pretty sure lots of people do need that explanation. They understand vs, but v ?
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Post by: Bea on March 05, 2015, 11:41:58 pm
But I don't want realism and edginess on a film about a super hot alien in blue spandex. :( I hope one day DC will wake up and bring their animation crew to do the full feature live action films. Then we will have some good DC Superheroes films.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2015, 12:30:49 am
(http://i.imgur.com/siDbGKl.png) Still relevant, 25 years later!
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2015, 09:12:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1DPGCgf.jpg)
visionary director Zack Snyder said:
He’s not any of the Lexes that you’ve seen, that’s for sure, other than him being a captain of industry and one person to the world and another person to himself. And bald, of course.
Our Lex is disarming and he’s not fake he says what he believes and he says what’s on his mind. If you can unravel the string and decipher what he means, it’s all there.
well I guess they really are just going with the whole "Zuckerberg as Luthor" thing everyone feared they would be doing when Eisenberg got cast. :-\
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on March 25, 2015, 10:47:07 pm
I guess this sums up the Lex this "film" will be getting.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 26, 2015, 03:14:28 pm
Well, I really wish we had a movie where Lex Luthor was in full Silver Age mode, going around stealing cakes and having evil lairs with statues of Attila the Hun, Nero, and Benedict Arnold (as monuments to their great villainy that he was trying to live up to, of course); and not 4 movies in which Lex Luthor is an evil land developer who seems to regard Superman as a mere nuisance and not an overwhelming obsession!
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Post by: Bea on March 27, 2015, 01:06:44 am
I would give it so, but so much for the line up of DC Superhero films to be all silver age based... :(
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 10, 2015, 03:06:30 am
About Suicide Squad... https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/585961520955203584 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHA5eqUoAAvnXB.jpg)
And Ike Barinholtz will play Hugo Strange and that Jim Parrack will play Deathstroke. (http://batman-news.com/2015/04/08/report-the-mindy-projects-ike-barinholtz-is-hugo-strange-jim-parrack-is-deathstroke-in-suicide-squad/)
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Post by: walt on April 10, 2015, 11:27:17 pm
Ah, The Killing Joke. Really a good reference. :) But the only thing that left in Jared's photo is just the smile. :P
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 11, 2015, 06:58:22 am
Warner Bros has tapped Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, directors of 21 Jump Street and The Lego Movie (among many, many other incredible projects) to develop the story for the Flash movie. (http://deadline.com/2015/04/the-flash-superhero-movie-lord-miller-warner-bros-1201407459/) They have not, however, been announced as the directors of the movie (they could end up doing it, but apparently Sony and Warner Brothers are fighting over the duo because they each want Lord and Miller to work on a whole bunch of projects for them)
additionally, Warner is rumored to be seeking Furious 7 (and also Insidious and The Conjuring) director James Wan for their Aquaman movie (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=118462) and like jeez come on. First they get Michelle MacLauren, then they get Lord and Miller, now they're trying to get Wan? Stop hogging all the cool directors DC, you don't deserve them >:[
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 14, 2015, 03:42:02 am
Well it's funny you should say that, because she's off the picture. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/wonder-woman-movie-loses-director-788500)
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 14, 2015, 03:56:41 am
Well it's funny you should say that, because she's off the picture. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/wonder-woman-movie-loses-director-788500)
Oh oh. Now that's a big trouble (for me...).
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 14, 2015, 04:09:10 am
On the one hand, I'm pretty relieved because I'd rather she direct something that's not going to be (most likely) terrible because Warner Bros has no fucking clue what they're doing, but on the other hand... this has pretty much taken any real chance of the Wonder Woman movie being a success off the table. :-\
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 14, 2015, 04:21:27 am
Does beg the question of who they give it to now. Much ado has been made about Wonder Woman being directed by a woman, it's going to be hard to find a director that is enough of a name to move the needle but also won't have pesky opinions about studio suits micromanaging to ensure "maximum blockbuster potential".
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 14, 2015, 04:24:20 am
Nothing maximizes blockbuster potential like having six different costume changes in a movie (that was an actual rumor: Wonder Woman is gonna have six different costumes, including a "dive suit" ?????) for six times the action figures!
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 16, 2015, 02:36:08 am
Well that was fast: a new director has already been found: (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/wonder-woman-movie-finds-a-789099) it's Monster director Patty Jenkins, who previously was going to direct Thor 2 before being replaced for the same, vague "creative differences" that MacLauren did in the case of Wonder Woman. Now I sorta have some hope maybe about this project!
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Post by: Bea on April 16, 2015, 03:11:56 am
A pretty decent pick for a director. I might even be able to have some hope, maybe, perhaps, for this film as well. I will just have to pretend that anyone else who can act better than a rock is playing Wondy, and not Gal "Twig" Gaddot.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2015, 05:44:46 am
Warner Bros has been planning a big debut of the Batman V Superman: why did anyone think this was a good title at IMAX screens, on April the 20th.
well, guess what the trailer just leaked (https://vid.me/NlzG)
I for one, am glad to see they are continuing the story of a Superman who mostly inspires fear and anger into humanity. Really got a good handle on the character.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 17, 2015, 05:56:57 am
well, that's kinda Meta, honestly, since just like in real life everyone in the movie hates him too.
Not saying that's good, cause it's awful.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on April 17, 2015, 10:25:41 am
Soooooo its basically the comic-con footage... lame
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Post by: Iced on April 17, 2015, 10:57:57 am
comic con footage was only the scene of them staring at each other adn the eyes lighting up, this is more of a mood piece
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 11:34:01 am
Ugh... why DC, why?
This bloody piece is all dark and unwatchable. And I guess since Man of Steel, Man of Mass Murder "saved" a few more city for people to be so outraged with him. And now he decided Gotham needs "saving".
Yeah, I am not going to watch this Man of Mass Murder film. Not worth it. If only Superman would show up to save the day and inspire hope...
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Post by: Byakko on April 17, 2015, 11:52:24 am
Funnily enough, with what Daredevil did and how Avengers 2 + Civil War are coming, it's clear that Marvel is going for the exact same angle as these Superman movies... except done right. Too bad we can't have the actual character of Superman thrown in there.
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 12:08:13 pm
And they're also making it so super heroes save people instead of levelling entire cities to "stop the bad guy and "save" the day". This one needs to bomb, and bomb HARD, so that DC is forced to rethink it's film universe.
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Post by: Iced on April 17, 2015, 02:38:52 pm
Thats not happening.
The comic book fans are the ones that disliked it. The comic book fans are responsible for maybe 200k book sales every month. They cant make a scratch on the millions that go see those movies. The millions that go see those movies have different tastes and they are the ones being catered. Its a sad turn of events but thats what happens. Dc is more worried in proving that aquaman isnt lame and superman isnt bland than they are about establishing the characters's mythology.
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 02:46:26 pm
The comic book fans [...] cant make a scratch on the millions that go see those movies.
Incidentally, Avengers was the biggest movie hit. How does that work ? If comic book fans are pleased, the movie will work even better with casuals than movies where fans are not pleased ?
edit - oh damn, 70% drop on the second weekend is terrible for a big movie like that. || V
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 03:32:23 pm
It is worth noting that Man of Steel took a huge dive in attendance on it's second weekend as well. Almost a 70% drop in sold tickets.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2015, 04:34:19 pm
The movie's unlikely to outright bomb, but there is a fairly good chance it could end up like Amazing Spider-Man 2 (where it makes enough money to maybe cover its production costs but not enough profit for the studio to want to make more). The fact that Batman is in it now (and getting top billing, in case anyone was wondering how much this movie was going to pretend to be a sequel to Man of Steel) will probably boost it higher than it would if it were just a straight sequel, and it seems unlikely to be a relative disaster like ASM2 was, unless audience reactions are really terrible maybe?
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Post by: walt on April 17, 2015, 04:48:43 pm
Y'all can shit on it as much as you like. I actually thought that trailer was hype, and I'm paying to put 7 butts in seats for that movie.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 17, 2015, 04:55:54 pm
Am going to watch this in the cinema as well. Liked the trailer and don't understand the anger @Bea
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Post by: K.O.D on April 17, 2015, 04:57:56 pm
the trailer was good
superman is a boring as fuck character anyway, so it's pretty hard to work with him
and yes i've read a whole bunch of superman comics, he's still boring
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2015, 05:01:24 pm
Superman is great and ultimately, is about exploring themes and ideas that are more complicated than Batman. That's also why it's harder (relatively) to write a good story about Superman.
but I mean goddamn All-Star Superman is fucking amazing
Am going to watch this in the cinema as well. Liked the trailer and don't understand the anger @Bea
It's like... Superman is fun, Superman is hopeful, it's fundamentally joyous. The direction they went with Man of Steel, and look to continue in this movie, feels very, very wrong for Superman. It works for Batman, but fatally undercuts the themes and ideals of Supeman as a character. It's just kind of a bummer. :-\
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 05:01:45 pm
Am going to watch this in the cinema as well. Liked the trailer and don't understand the anger @Bea
It's because they're dead on on what Superman is about in this film. Levelling cities, killing hundreds of thousands of people, instilling fear and terror on humankind!
Definitely Superman, aye...
I couldn't stomach Man of Steel. I left the theatres before the end of it, because I couldn't take it no more. The guys helming this have no clue of what they're doing. All they want is their dark, gritty and destruction porn. I doubt there will be much of Gotham standing still at the end of this train wreck.
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Post by: walt on April 17, 2015, 05:08:24 pm
what Superman is about in this film. Levelling cities, killing hundreds of thousands of people, instilling fear and terror on humankind!
Definitely Superman, aye...
I couldn't stomach Man of Steel. I left the theatres before the end of it, because I couldn't take it no more. The guys helming this have no clue of what they're doing. All they want is their dark, gritty and destruction porn
That's not Superman, that's the threat that Superman faces.
Real life isn't black and white. If you're trying to make a glowing white Superman, a beam of hope, a role model, THE Golden Era Superman (which is a travesty of a character where he just comes up with a new power of invulnerability and almightyness to solve each new problem presented to him), you're living in the past. Get with the times, this is 2015.
People need to feel compelled to characters that are like them, flawed, sometimes even weak, sometimes facing insurmountable odds, sometimes having to make tough decisions, because that's what real life is, real life is the "gritty reboot" of fairy tales ... Fairy tales just aren't in style anymore.
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Post by: Gennos on April 17, 2015, 05:10:40 pm
The part where it worked in spite of being a happy movie and absolutely not dark and gritty. Its success (especially when compared to Man of Steel's drop) says that people do not really want dark and gritty reboots that much, they're fine with happy fun superheroes too. In fact, Avengers and Winter Soldier did have lots of destruction, but that's also being addressed in Daredevil, Ultron, and Civil War ! Like JNP says, this fits Batman, but if Superman is there, it should be for contrast, not more of the same.
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Post by: Mgbenz on April 17, 2015, 05:19:36 pm
what Superman is about in this film. Levelling cities, killing hundreds of thousands of people, instilling fear and terror on humankind!
Definitely Superman, aye...
I couldn't stomach Man of Steel. I left the theatres before the end of it, because I couldn't take it no more. The guys helming this have no clue of what they're doing. All they want is their dark, gritty and destruction porn
That's not Superman, that's the threat that Superman faces.
Real life isn't black and white. If you're trying to make a glowing white Superman, a beam of hope, a role model, THE Golden Era Superman (which is a travesty of a character where he just comes up with a new power of invulnerability and almightyness to solve each new problem presented to him), you're living in the past. Get with the times, this is 2015.
People need to feel compelled to characters that are like them, flawed, sometimes even weak, sometimes facing insurmountable odds, sometimes having to make tough decisions, because that's what real life is, real life is the "gritty reboot" of fairy tales ... Fairy tales just aren't in style anymore.
Sorry but it's that kind of cynical (mistaken to to be realistic) mentality that pisses me off the most. Never knew you to be the "idealism is for kids" type walt.
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Post by: Thagr8test on April 17, 2015, 05:26:10 pm
I think they should have focused more on finding a middle ground in making superman more upbeat while still having a high stakes tone instead of just slapping batman in the film for hypes sake and sucking superman into the even darker grittier gotham city. I thought man of steel was ok but I understand peoples gripes with the film. This trailer looks like they're continuing down the wrong path
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Post by: walt on April 17, 2015, 05:27:59 pm
this fits Batman, but if Superman is there, it should be for contrast, not more of the same.
What should you expect from WB, whose best idea of making an all star superhero game was handing it to Netherrealm Studios? They're trying to reach for different audiences with contrasting tone (Although it's been proven time and time again that aiming for the younger audiences will bring more cash in. Disney is doing it right because they have a longstanding experience with this field).
They're a bit misguided, I agree to that much, but that doesn't mean everything they're doing is absolute shit. Not to mention, what kind of tone should one expect from a movie based off a Frank Miller book? If people applaud the Sin Cities, and the 300s, and the money flows in, it just makes sense to keep riding that wave until it stops being profitable.
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Post by: Byakko on April 17, 2015, 05:45:03 pm
But... Regardless of what we can reasonably expect from the people who did so and so, and regardless of whether it keeps making money... We can still say it makes for a terrible movie and a terrible rendition of the characters involved, can't we ? Also, that isn't a good support for your initial theory that people don't want fairytales and rather get dark and gritty because it's what life is (a theory already contradicted by Avengers being a fountain of monies anyway).
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 05:56:51 pm
what Superman is about in this film. Levelling cities, killing hundreds of thousands of people, instilling fear and terror on humankind!
Definitely Superman, aye...
I couldn't stomach Man of Steel. I left the theatres before the end of it, because I couldn't take it no more. The guys helming this have no clue of what they're doing. All they want is their dark, gritty and destruction porn
That's not Superman, that's the threat that Superman faces.
Real life isn't black and white. If you're trying to make a glowing white Superman, a beam of hope, a role model, THE Golden Era Superman (which is a travesty of a character where he just comes up with a new power of invulnerability and almightyness to solve each new problem presented to him), you're living in the past. Get with the times, this is 2015.
People need to feel compelled to characters that are like them, flawed, sometimes even weak, sometimes facing insurmountable odds, sometimes having to make tough decisions, because that's what real life is, real life is the "gritty reboot" of fairy tales ... Fairy tales just aren't in style anymore.
A threat that he punched into an IHOP full of people, through a SEARS full of innocent and which he slammed through buildings full of desperate, hopeless people. I don't go to the theatres to watch real life. I have enough of it already. I go there to unplug from reality, to see different things.
Superman should never be like this. He should be a bastion of hope. Like he and his stories, his Christopher Reeve films, that were there for me when I was at my worst and my lowest. Superman should be trying to save people despite all the odds. But the only people "Superman" saved in the last film were a family, after he murdered hundreds of thousands of people and levelled Metropolis without giving a fucking damn about people there.
You want to have such massive destruction in a Superman film? Fine, but show the bloody hero doing what he is supposed to do. Saving people, not killing more than the villains themselves.
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Post by: walt on April 17, 2015, 06:02:26 pm
You want to have such massive destruction in a Superman film? Fine, but show the bloody hero doing what he is supposed to do. Saving people, not killing more than the villains themselves.
This is exactly what the movie itself will address to some extent, according to the trailer leaked. I'll let them do the apologies themselves.
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Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 17, 2015, 06:08:47 pm
What's so terrible about the trailer? It looked fine to me. I'm not excited for the movie or anything after watching it but I don't see anything terribly bad either.
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 06:11:12 pm
You want to have such massive destruction in a Superman film? Fine, but show the bloody hero doing what he is supposed to do. Saving people, not killing more than the villains themselves.
This is exactly what the movie itself will address to some extent, according to the trailer leaked. I'll let them do the apologies themselves.
Man of Steel was based in no Frank Miller book, and it was completely and utterly terrible. That is what we are discussing. Batman Vs Superman? This will be VERY loosely based on it, and in a world where humanity fear "Superman", and has all the right to do it, because the S in his chest means Hope. Hope he doesn't visit your city. I will pass it. I will pass it so hard.
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Post by: walt on April 17, 2015, 06:13:47 pm
What's so terrible about the trailer? It looked fine to me. I'm not excited for the movie or anything after watching it but I don't see anything terribly bad either.
The problem is that it's a sequel to a movie that was kind of bad. It delivered on the blockbuster front, but it was as dumb as a Michael Bay Transformers movies + more non-addressed deaths of civilians.
Doesn't necessarily mean that this one will be bad itself. Armored Dark Knight will kick this Superman's ass. Look forward to it a bit more than Hulk VS Ironman in Avengers 2. At least this time it should make more sense.
@Bea: I'm sorry I'm a filthy casual, I'm not invested at all in this god of a character. I don't care how bad was Man of Steel, I know it wasn't fucking Art Cinema, but it delivered on the entertainment front for however little I paid for my admittance ticket at third world country price :P
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 06:19:29 pm
What's so terrible about the trailer? It looked fine to me. I'm not excited for the movie or anything after watching it but I don't see anything terribly bad either.
The problem is that it's a sequel to a movie that was kind of bad. It delivered on the blockbuster front, but it was as dumb as a Michael Bay Transformers movies + more non-addressed deaths of civilians.
Doesn't necessarily mean that this one will be bad itself. Armored Dark Knight will kick this Superman's ass. Look forward to it a bit more than Hulk VS Ironman in Avengers 2. At least this time it should make more sense.
Strangely enough, that is one of the problems of this film for me. I want BatAffleck to kick Man of Mass Murder butt. This is all kinds of wrong! ;P
I was never supposed to want to see Batman kick Superman's butt!
And with Zack Snyder directing this one too, I don't have any hopes for it. Add Gal Gaddot as Wonder Woman to make me even more bitter about it and we have a film that was supposed to be about the super heroes I love the most, and I really don't want to see it. :(
@Walt: I hope you find this one delivering on entertainment and turning out worth the price of the ticket for you.
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Post by: Byakko on April 17, 2015, 06:47:01 pm
We can still say it makes for a terrible movie and a terrible rendition of the characters involved, can't we ?
No, we disagree. I don't believe it's terrible. I like the Frank Miller book it's based on.
I'm not saying we can objectively declare it so, I'm saying we're allowed to find it terrible. It doesn't matter if someone likes it, it doesn't matter if it comes from a Frank Miller book or the guys that gave the franchise to NRS, it's not an excuse to say no one can dislike the movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 17, 2015, 06:57:54 pm
Beam of hope Superman is the current day Superman, even in the modern comics; that's never really changed. Superman can be (and usually is) depicted as flawed, but his whole entire deal is rising above all that!
Captain America is a great example of another character with a similar outlook and similar problems with crafting a story around. Cap is also an ideal, an character that can have failings but will ultimately win out, and inspire others. It is however much easier (relatively) for Cap (only has just slightly above peak human abilities, his inherent political nature generates a lot of story material, and the whole man-out-of-time nature provides instant conflict). Superman's got it tougher, but when he's in something that's good, it's really good.
What's so terrible about the trailer? It looked fine to me. I'm not excited for the movie or anything after watching it but I don't see anything terribly bad either.
Like, setting aside the direction they're taking Superman, and even the overall mood they're taking the movie; the trailer is pretty boring, as just a trailer. It's expected (the big effects shots aren't even close to being finished, they can't blow their load on all the cool stuff because the movie is a year away), but compared to like, I dunno, Age of Ultron's first trailer, it's all pretty boring and staid. The teaser is dominated by a tracking shot with a bunch of voiceovers (which is never going to be very exciting) and when it finally hits the reveal of Batman and Superman facing off, it all lands like a thud.
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Post by: Roman55 on April 17, 2015, 08:37:35 pm
Man of Murder: The Murdering staring Batfleck probably won't be something I watch in the theaters. More important things to save my cash on rather than shameless product placement and 9/11 analogies in a movie staring a Kansas boy in tights fighting a dude in an armored bat suit.
Also the discount Inception music in the trailer got a chuckle out of me.
I don't go to the theatres to watch real life. I have enough of it already. I go there to unplug from reality, to see different things.
Ya know, this is why I can't bother watching biopics or docudramas in theaters.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 17, 2015, 09:38:17 pm
I really have a mix of happiness and frustrated with this trailer. :P
And... That Ben Affleck voice for Batman... Well... :thinking:
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Post by: Bea on April 18, 2015, 01:38:41 am
Official trailer is out: http://omelete.uol.com.br/filmes/noticia/batman-vs-superman-a-origem-da-justica-ganha-seu-primeiro-trailer/ for whoever wants to see a higher quality of the leaked footage.
Couldn't find a link for it in English yet. Colour balance is a bit better than in the leaked one, but still too dark and colours are still too muted.
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Post by: HadeS on April 18, 2015, 02:12:49 am
Here
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Post by: Bea on April 18, 2015, 02:16:15 am
Is it just me or Batman just killed some guys in some vans with the batwing in the trailer?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 18, 2015, 02:25:42 am
Rubber bullets.
Honest.
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Post by: Bea on April 18, 2015, 02:37:34 am
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 18, 2015, 02:43:40 am
I assumed it was some plane or drone of Luthor's or whatever, since there's a cut right after to the Batmobile driving through what seems like the same flaming wreckage that was just fired upon?
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Post by: Bea on April 18, 2015, 02:45:48 am
Looked way too much like Batwing for it to be Luthor's. And considering Man of Steel, I won't be surprised if Batman turns out a mass murderer in this film too.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 18, 2015, 02:53:47 am
Maybe one of the suits requested that they bring Batman back to his roots and Snyder just assumed that meant Tim Burton's interpretation.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 18, 2015, 07:30:44 pm
So, I just had something pointed out to me: (http://i.imgur.com/D3yUEBt.png) those Superman-y looking logos on the soldiers who are (ugh) bowing to Superman.
... there's not a ton of situations that I can think of where this turns out like a good idea. Or any, really. Are they a bunch of random soldiers who worship Superman (:noo:) or is Superman part of some government strike team or something (shades of TDKR?, also :noo:)
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Post by: Iced on April 18, 2015, 07:40:12 pm
Way to credit steal >:C
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 18, 2015, 07:41:17 pm
My source's identity needs to be protected; so, so many enemies that want to kill him, that guy.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 18, 2015, 07:45:18 pm
Maybe...they were inspired by the Injustice (Game) story or something?
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 18, 2015, 07:59:54 pm
Maybe...they were inspired by the Injustice (Game) story or something?
I thinking this when i see the trailer. And doesn't look like a good idea doing this.
And yep, BvS will be a lot of elements from Dark Knight Returns.
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Post by: Mechy on April 18, 2015, 08:13:35 pm
Ugh. Could they just make a movie of Irredeemable and stop grimdarking the actual Superman?
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Post by: Bea on April 18, 2015, 08:25:46 pm
This is getting worse and worse...
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 18, 2015, 08:36:08 pm
Soldiers with Superman symbols on them definitely reminds me of Injustice, but I think the most likely case is that Superman will be a government stooge like in TDKR, only with a team of normal soliders at his command for some reason?
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 18, 2015, 08:43:12 pm
Government soldiers are usually not bowing to their commander though ^^
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 18, 2015, 08:52:26 pm
They're just really into the whole Christ figure thing that DC keeps having Superman do!
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 19, 2015, 05:21:40 am
Major, major potential spoilers for Fatman V Superdude: Dawn of , courtesy of some set photos leaked to imgur/also apparently Reddit. It seems very, very legitimate and seems to correspond with some of the rumors for Suicide Squad involving Harley Quinn and the Joker's relationship.
Spoiler: MEGA SPOILER(click to see content)
Spoiler: seriously, this is a huge deal(click to see content)
(http://i.imgur.com/Don09sV.jpg) Richard John Grayson is also known as Dick Grayson; the first Robin, and also Nightwing. This is from the set of the Wayne family graveyard, (http://imgur.com/a/5cb6s?gallery) so it's pretty unlikely it's his father or something (also, why would his father be buried alone?).
There have been several rumors that suggest that Batman had lost a Robin (courtesy of the Joker) sometime before BvS (and that much like TDKR, it was that event that made him retire from being Batman); furthermore, there was also a separate rumor about a month ago regarding the Suicide Squad movie, which again mentioned the dead Robin and that it was that brutal, horrifying act that was finally too much for Harley Quinn, as she abandoned the Joker shortly afterward (which is actually a pretty interesting direction for Harley, as long as it doesn't end with her going back and rendering all of that story and character development moot). But it had always been assumed that the dead Robin would be Jason Todd, who in the comics took on the identity after Dick Grayson quit and became Nightwing, and was then brutally murdered by the Joker relatively shortly thereafter. Simplifying all that into one character is much easier to understand, but I dunno, it feels like a waste. Dick Grayson is a great character, and the movies have never really taken advantage of the Batman/Robin partnership that is pretty damn essential to the character of Batman.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on April 19, 2015, 05:37:08 am
what not taking advantage ? their rivalry for poison ivy's ass was a master piece.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 19, 2015, 05:41:01 am
This "Batman & Robin was actually great" is stuff I keep seeing around the web is nothing short of historical revisionism and I won't stand for it.
/me sits
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 19, 2015, 05:42:21 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
The gravestone would suggest he was eight years old when he died, so I'm not putting too much stock in it. He would have been Robin for like five minutes. Also Batman wouldn't have been Batman for very long, since Robin's always year three at the latest. Which is entirely possible, I suppose.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 19, 2015, 05:48:06 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
the birth year really does look like "1992" (and while the grass is obscuring the third digit, it doesn't seem like there's any number the third digit could be besides 9), but if it's actually somehow "1982" then it all seems pretty reasonable
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Post by: Bea on April 19, 2015, 10:32:48 am
This "Batman & Robin was actually great" is stuff I keep seeing around the web is nothing short of historical revisionism and I won't stand for it.
/me sits
Hey now! Out of all completely out of character super heroes and villains in all DC and Marvel films so far, Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze is the best of them all! >:C
Also, this mess seems to be taking bits of DKR and Injustice, because, of course, in both Batman and Superman acted as far away as their cannon personalities as possible. I mean... who would want to go watch a film where Batman and Superman behave like their usual selves, with their usual relationship dynamic that works so well? Besides everyone, no one, of course! Which is why this is totally brilliant... not.
This needs to bomb, and bomb really, really hard.
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Post by: Byakko on April 19, 2015, 01:41:49 pm
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 20, 2015, 05:30:42 am
Hey, I think these posters are saying Batman and Superman are gonna fight each other!
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Post by: Bea on April 20, 2015, 12:56:30 pm
Okay, this makes the trailer more palatable.
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Post by: walt on April 22, 2015, 01:07:39 am
The IMAX Trailer showcased in select theaters across the US included a couple of extra seconds.
Spoiler: HERE THEY ARE(click to see content)
(http://i.imgur.com/JaR8e2a.gif)
Plus, a higher quality image of Batman's regular suit http://i.imgur.com/dCpnutD.jpg
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 22, 2015, 07:56:24 am
Henry Cavill says that Batman VVVVVV Superman is not a sequel to Man of Steel, but rather it's own thing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pITzZV8-iFI)
Well good that they've stopped pretending it was anything but a desperate attempt at jump starting an Avengers of their own and also Batman you guys still love Batman please love us again, I guess?
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 23, 2015, 11:21:40 am
Common has joined Suicide Squad in an unknown role. (http://www.avclub.com/article/common-has-joined-suicide-squad-warner-bros-wont-s-218426)
This might not have a lot of bearing on things, but he was going to play John Stewart in that 2008 Justice League movie. You know, the one directed by George Miller, that never got past pre-production and looking back on it seems like an insane made up thing that couldn't possibly have almost happened?
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 24, 2015, 07:40:39 pm
Obviously, because this is an after-the-fact attempt at restoring color that the lighting and cinematography was not designed for, there are some weird looking areas/moments. But hot damn does this look so much better than the dreary color palette of the original movie.
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Post by: Bea on April 24, 2015, 09:36:00 pm
I am glad they dulled the hell out of those bright, shiny and Superman colours. I would have a much harder time to disassociate Man of Mass Murder from Superman with those happy colours.
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Post by: walt on April 24, 2015, 09:49:54 pm
You might have been able to actually see the blood of the innocent pouring out of the collapsing buildings u_u
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Post by: Thagr8test on April 24, 2015, 09:50:33 pm
Curse you JMM I was going post that >:( I would have words with thee
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 24, 2015, 09:54:16 pm
Hey man, this is the DC thread, take your Ultron Forever quotes elsewhere! ;P
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Post by: Roman55 on April 25, 2015, 02:31:26 am
I like how there's people trying so hard to discredit that video. (http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/04/viral-video-lies-about-how-man-of-steel-really-looks/)
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 25, 2015, 02:56:34 am
I like how there's people trying so hard to discredit that video. (http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/04/viral-video-lies-about-how-man-of-steel-really-looks/)
regardless of weather or not those are indeed the real footage on that link, the film is still too grey.
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2015, 03:02:12 am
... This looks good and Joker like. Why does it looks good and Joker like? It is not fair!
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Post by: QuickFist on April 25, 2015, 03:07:39 am
Ehh...IDK...the tatoos are kinda dumb, I hope Harley looks better
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 25, 2015, 03:10:09 am
I like it. Reminds me of All Star Joker but with way cooler tats than that Yakuza nonsense.
EDIT: Also we should probably assume he's not going to be running around shirtless for the entire movie, so the bulk of the time we're probably not going to be seeing the tattoos
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 25, 2015, 03:12:12 am
I'm not a fan of the tattoos, but it reminds me of Joker's look in Batman RIP, and that was great.
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2015, 03:15:06 am
I find it looks better than Ledger's and Nicholson's Jokers. Can't beat Romero's Joker still, though. :P
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Post by: QuickFist on April 25, 2015, 03:24:42 am
I agree with you on a lot of things B, but this ain't of them
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2015, 03:28:37 am
Disagreeing is pretty fine. For me Nicholson was... well, Nicholson more than the Joker. I like him in the part, but he wasn't exactly the Joker. Ledger... well... I can't say I like him as the Joker. He felt like anything but the Joker for me. His antics didn't sell too well for me. Romero... well, Romero was THE Joker, much akin as West is THE Batman.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2015, 03:52:59 am
Wow. I am really, really not a fan of that look. Just so overly busy; the tattoos and the teeth and the ring and the glove and it's just too much. :-\
also it seems unclear if they're going for the bleached skin at all; if they're not that's dumb, it's part of the fun, and if they are, then it's barely noticeable!
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2015, 04:04:22 am
I too believe we won't be seeing the tattoos too much. It would be too dumb to drop the purple suit. What sells this for me is his facial expression. It looks right for the Joker.
Skin could use some more bleaching, but I am starting to get cautiously positive about this Suicide Squad film.
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Post by: Person Man on April 25, 2015, 04:06:41 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordjoker_zps705423b1.png[/avatar]Why am I getting an early 80's anarchist vibe from that look? He looks like he's the lead singer in a Batman themed punk rock band. It doesn't feel like the Joker at all. I'm glad they didn't just try and ape some other actor's interpretation of the character, but wow. Swing and a miss on original design.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 25, 2015, 04:08:50 am
I too believe we won't be seeing the tattoos too much. It would be too dumb to drop the purple suit. What sells this for me is his facial expression. It looks right for the Joker.
Skin could use some more bleaching, but I am starting to get cautiously positive about this Suicide Squad film.
He's supposed to be in prison for most of the movie (somewhat like Assault On Arkham, I guess); there's actually a pretty good chance he'll spend most of it shirtless.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on April 25, 2015, 03:57:02 pm
Urgh... why does DC have to try to be some damn "edgy".. lose dem grillz and those tats and he would be great. And most are gonna argue "everyone hated ledger's until they saw the movie"... I can def say for sure that I am not a fan of this look, seems a bit excessive. I get they dont wanna copy marvel verbatim, but I mean Marvel has shown that there costumes can translate well to screen, so why change it? I seriously don't have much hope for this cinematic universe.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2015, 06:14:13 pm
Holy shit that Ben Affleck pic :rofl: I get where this is coming from; following up something as iconic as Ledger's Joker is one tall order. But I'm not sure they needed to go this route, Nicholson's Joker is nearly 3 decades old, and Ledger's is so much more in the public's mind that I don't think going back to a more traditional Joker would invite too many comparisons.
But I dunno, I've never really been a huge fan of gritty and grimy versions of the Joker; I prefer versions in impeccably tailored suits, not a hair out of place, and always with an acid-spraying lapel flower or a lethal joybuzzer up his sleeve. A suave, refined showman, ready for the main event.
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2015, 08:38:08 pm
But I dunno, I've never really been a huge fan of gritty and grimy versions of the Joker; I prefer versions in impeccably tailored suits, not a hair out of place, and always with an acid-spraying lapel flower or a lethal joybuzzer up his sleeve. A suave, refined showman, ready for the main event.
This, but with a moustache under the white face make-up. Still, I like that one. The expression screams Joker to me. Could do with more pale, less tattoos, but it works better than Ledger's for me.
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Post by: Byakko on April 25, 2015, 08:41:54 pm
I think it's dangerous to make a proper portrayal for an insane character, between the design, acting, writing. With the tattoos, IMO he's dropped a bunch of levels to the rank of just another crazy junkie picked off the street. the acting and writing are going to fight an uphill battle to make it work right.
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Post by: Iced on April 25, 2015, 08:55:50 pm
This is morrison joker.
And its hilarious that they decided to cover him with tatoos to the point where its so overdesigned it actually hurts the design.
They should have at least kept the eyebrows, without them he looks as if he just remembered he left the oven on.
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Post by: Bea on April 25, 2015, 08:58:13 pm
I am pretty sure Leto got the acting covered. I am sure he will deliver there. Now... the writing... this part is... complicated. DC hasn't delivered good writing for their films in a good while.
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Post by: Person Man on April 26, 2015, 01:54:45 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordlol3_zps8542f330.png[/avatar]The full poster actually helps explain the new look a lot better. (http://images.lifeandstylemag.com/uploads/images/file/15655/tweet-joker-3.jpg?fit=crop&w=680)
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Post by: hatter on April 26, 2015, 02:02:32 am
MAAAAARV!!! :XD: :XD:
Is that Jared Leto? Cuz holy shit, that's terrifying o_O
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Post by: Gennos on April 26, 2015, 02:27:42 am
a Gothic asshole with grills, a skull and "hahaha" tattoos? could it get any more douchier?
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Post by: Berry on April 26, 2015, 03:17:24 am
>damaged
are you fucking kidding me
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Post by: Gennos on April 26, 2015, 03:36:45 am
I think it's dangerous to make a proper portrayal for an insane character, between the design, acting, writing. With the tattoos, IMO he's dropped a bunch of levels to the rank of just another crazy junkie picked off the street. the acting and writing are going to fight an uphill battle to make it work right.
Yep yep yep; I think so much of what makes the Joker an effective character is the dichotomy of how suave and effortless he seems, contrasted with all the horrible murdery stuff he is wont to do. This just sorta feels... more generic, I guess. Doesn't seem like the best word, though.
... no? Not at all, besides the shaved eyebrows, I guess? (although even then, the art was inconsistent on that front) (http://i.imgur.com/UIvY1oD.jpg) The defining characteristics (the facial surgery that gave him a permanent grin, the forked tongue, the bullet hole scar on his forhead) are all absent, and all the tattoos and metal teeth and stuff are all new. :-\
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Post by: Mechy on April 26, 2015, 09:56:20 am
J-jokes on y-you we were only PRETENDING http://i.imgur.com/YtgWsVR.png
Uh, is that twitter account connected to anything official? It looks like it's just a random news account??? (http://40.media.tumblr.com/20655e828a53a7521d432b0e1367fb73/tumblr_nnch6hiI1R1ql3bpvo1_500.jpg)
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Post by: Thagr8test on April 26, 2015, 10:49:54 pm
I feel like they put out that image to get free focus group insight on the design if in fact that isn't the final design which I'm hoping its not because he looks like a collage of bad ideas from people who don't understand fans appeal of the joker. He is a brilliantly crazy guy not a simply crazy guy and I think they went with a simply in your face crazy guy with that pic
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Post by: Person Man on April 27, 2015, 12:00:38 am
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 28, 2015, 04:31:15 am
Couldn't find anything the director said but there are some set photos of Leto that don't seem to feature any of the tattoos on his face: (http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Joker1-600x575.jpg)
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Post by: Iced on April 28, 2015, 11:59:11 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-eYiD9OfM[/youtube] Obviously, because this is an after-the-fact attempt at restoring color that the lighting and cinematography was not designed for, there are some weird looking areas/moments. But hot damn does this look so much better than the dreary color palette of the original movie.
guess who loves snyder man of steel?
you dooooo http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/04/viral-video-lies-about-how-man-of-steel-really-looks/
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Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on April 29, 2015, 03:04:26 am
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Post by: Iced on April 30, 2015, 03:12:34 pm
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 03, 2015, 10:09:54 pm
Wow, look how bright and colorful and unrealistic and immature that is; thank god for the Snyder color filter!
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 03, 2015, 10:12:08 pm
I thought the Snyder color filter was a lie
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Post by: Bea on May 03, 2015, 10:38:48 pm
I wish it was a lie...
This is how Wondy costume looks on film: (http://www.smeenet.org/images/Gal_Gadot_as_Wonder_Woman_white_bg.jpg)
And this is how it really is without all the dull filtering: (http://www.smeenet.org/images/batman-v-superman_dawn-of-justice_costumes.png)
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Post by: Iced on May 04, 2015, 01:10:29 am
(http://i.imgur.com/h3zBIY9.jpg)
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Post by: Luis Alejandro on May 04, 2015, 01:18:20 am
which one is joker?
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Post by: Byakko on May 04, 2015, 01:40:05 am
The one that's not part of the Suicide Squad I suppose.
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Post by: Bea on May 04, 2015, 02:03:12 am
Save for Harley, that is surprisingly good. :O Perhaps DC is learning... perhaps.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 04, 2015, 02:10:06 am
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. I kinda sorta dig it? Like, DC's whole grim and gritty aesthetic actually works for the Suicide Squad.
starting from the left, we have: Slipknot: a Firestorm villain, whose gimmick is that he's good at ropes. Firestorm, it should be noted, has massively overpowered elemental transmutation abilities (along with the basic superhero powerset of flight, superstrength, and energy blasts), so... being good with ropes isn't getting you that far against a foe like that, which is why he's much more known for being one of the Suicide Squad's earliest casualties Captain Boomerang: he's a Flash villain who is good with boomerangs (and uses a variety of specialized gimmick boomerangs). And yet, not a laughingstock like Slipknot. He's a Suicide Squad staple, aggressively Australian, and pretty racist. Enchantress: is a magic user who is sometimes a villain and sometimes a hero (she's got a split personality kind of thing going on), though usually has her good side dominating (her time on the Squad in the comics came about because she was offered help in controlling the evil side). Katana: is an expert martial artist/swordswoman, and wields a magic sword that steals souls and also has the soul of her dead husband!!! She's a superhero but has worked with the Squad on occasion. Rick Flag: is the son of a legendary military hero, and in the comics is portrayed as being forced into leading the Squad. He hates it because they're all villains and pretty awful people, but he's resolutely loyal to his country so he keeps on going. Harley Quinn: c'mon everyone knows her Deadshot: fatalistic assassin for hire, superhumanly accurate, Batman villain. Has a deathwish, but is too cowardly to commit suicide. Along with Captain Boomerang and Rick Flag, Deadshot is an almost constant member of the Squad. Killer Croc: same deal as Harley. I don't remember if he's ever been on the Squad before in the comics, though. tattoo guy: I think this might be Tattooed Man (his tattoos can come to life!) but who knows for sure EDIT: it's actually El Diablo: who I have no fucking clue who that is; that is a really fucking obscure character, and a new version has been associated with the new 52 Suicide Squad apparently???
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 04, 2015, 03:32:57 am
That Harley isn't as bad as it could have been, and that Croc is terrifying!
I've noticed between this and Arrow that there's a seeming effort to move away from Deadshot's Laser-eye thing. How am I supposed to know who he is without it?
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Post by: Person Man on May 04, 2015, 03:42:58 am
I've noticed between this and Arrow that there's a seeming effort to move away from Deadshot's Laser-eye thing. How am I supposed to know who he is without it?
Well, actually... (http://i.imgur.com/W69AfBR.jpg) this is easily one of DC's best live action costumes
As in he's a racist caricature of Australians, or he is an Australian who is also a racist?
The latter! (http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcjnasQvDd1qhfunu.jpg)
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Post by: Iced on May 04, 2015, 10:22:16 pm
more pics are popping up left and right, I selected a few. (http://i.imgur.com/T11RaAt.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XXBjhCr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/AIm43M1.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fV5pGN9.jpg)
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Post by: walt on May 04, 2015, 10:29:49 pm
hahaha those WB guys need to work better on who has access to their filming sets.
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Post by: Gennos on May 04, 2015, 10:38:23 pm
I'm not too keen on batman comics and i don't read suicide squad. but aren't the suicide squad supposed to be good? why would Joker and Harley join them? is this just in the movie are did they also join them in the comics? i hate it when switch villains like that, it kinda destroys their image and ideals.
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Post by: Iced on May 04, 2015, 10:50:06 pm
the suicide squad are villains forced to do operations for the government.
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Post by: Bea on May 04, 2015, 11:42:19 pm
THAT Deadshot!
And Harley design is slowly, very slowly growing on me... Could do without the puddin choker... and by Odin, are those some short shorts. o_o And the heels... WHY the heels? Not even I would wear heels that high for a mission like this. :S
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Post by: Iced on May 04, 2015, 11:56:02 pm
its theatrics, it doesnt have to be realistic.
Realistically batman cape would get tied around his head and he would be punched to death in them.
She also has puddin tats.
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Post by: Bea on May 05, 2015, 12:12:55 am
There is theatrics and there is 6 inches heels. 4 inches would be more than enough there to show those beautiful legs and firm and toned butt. 6 inches is overkill.
About the tattoos, no quarrel from my part about them. The choker I think is a bit too much. She already has the shirt and the jacket expressing that she likes The Joker.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: DatKofGuy on May 05, 2015, 12:22:49 am
Dat ass on Harley... But seriously, the back of the jacket. Property of Joker?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Iced on May 05, 2015, 12:23:38 am
the heels and daisy dukes straight up go with the archetype she's playing.
(http://cdnb.20m.es/videojuegos/files/2011/10/sfxtkn-poison.jpg) Poison also wore heels and daisy dukes while kicking ass. Even if unrealistic, it looked good. She's a punk-esque femme fatale with a bit of a bubblegum streak.
Her heeled boots are actually more realistic than what most people use for those.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on May 05, 2015, 12:25:06 am
Poison heels on SF4 are 4 inches ones. They were shorter than that on Final Fight.
The heels work for the look, but they are much too high.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Luis Alejandro on May 05, 2015, 12:38:47 am
Dat ass on Harley... But seriously, the back of the jacket. Property of Joker?
what ass? oh you mean that pancake? ok
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Titiln on May 05, 2015, 01:27:38 am
heels aren't practical for anything and i dont think more than 5 people will go "well, see, it's realistic if she wears 4 inch heels, but 6 inches that's just too much buddy"
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on May 05, 2015, 02:19:52 am
For us who actually wear them, the difference between 4 and 6 inches heels is really big. And this isn't about being realistic. There is a line that when crossed, hurts the suspension of disbelieve from a film. Heels that high darts slight past that line.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Gennos on May 05, 2015, 02:51:38 am
the suicide squad are villains forced to do operations for the government.
but that's whats bothering me about it, nobody forces the joker to do anything. he would accept their offer, but when the first chance he gets to escape, he would do it. it seems like a poor excuse to make us root for him.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on May 05, 2015, 02:52:44 am
The Joker was never part of the Suicide Squad from what I remember. Only Harley was part of it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 05, 2015, 03:26:53 am
the suicide squad are villains forced to do operations for the government.
but that's whats bothering me about it, nobody forces the joker to do anything. he would accept their offer, but when the first chance he gets to escape, he would do it. it seems like a poor excuse to make us root for him.
The running theory is that Joker's role will be similar to the one he played in Assault on Arkham, so you might want to try giving that a watch.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: DatKofGuy on May 08, 2015, 10:10:00 pm
So the reason Joker was pulling that face is revealed.... or not. Still some pretty cool fan art (https://igcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11240382_444877545681482_830753993_n.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: walt on May 11, 2015, 05:00:49 pm
Youtube Glam and Gore ... looks like Fanart to me.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 12, 2015, 04:14:04 am
Yeah, it's fan art. (http://comicbook.com/2015/05/09/secret-behind-new-the-joker-and-harley-quinn-photo-revealed/)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 18, 2015, 09:04:10 pm
Clearest look at Leto's Joker from onset photos: (https://i.imgur.com/qliETjR.jpg) definitely has tattoos (including that terrible DAMAGED one). It should be noted that this appears to be a flashback to when Harley Quinn was still Harleen Quinzel so I guess they're not actually supposed to be prison tats like everyone thought?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on May 18, 2015, 09:51:18 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Gennos on May 22, 2015, 07:19:54 pm
check out how cool and edgy the joker's costume is:
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(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68345/4570963-fb_img_1431971891468.jpg) (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/6063/4571307-jared-leto-fights-kisses-margot-robbie-in-suicide-squad-16.jpg) bracelets, sliver jacket and an unbuttoned shirt, what a rebel.
more pictures here (updatable article): http://www.comicvine.com/articles/more-set-photos-of-joker-harley-quinn-from-suicide/1100-152324/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 22, 2015, 07:28:32 pm
For some reason I get an Eminem the rapper vibe from him. The Suicide Squad's costumes looked promising. How did they screw this one up so much?!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 22, 2015, 08:47:29 pm
The dull color palette of the DCCU strikes again. Going for the pure white suit of DKR might have worked, but that's just boring and ugly
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Iced on May 24, 2015, 11:37:46 pm
Another great actor joins DC as STATIC SHOCK (http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/05/jadensmithstaticshock-137079.png) http://comicbook.com/2015/05/24/jaden-smith-confirmed-as-static-shock-by-tyler-james-williams-/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 25, 2015, 12:16:49 am
We all knew what the score was the second Will got cast as Deadshot.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Thagr8test on May 25, 2015, 01:21:44 am
masterpiece in the making
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jarek Bachanek on May 25, 2015, 01:33:15 am
Lol now we know why Will Smith got involved with Sucide Squad and possibly whole DC franchise. He agreed at condition they will cast his son too in one of their movies. I bet the kid is comic book fan so that was another reason.
Nepotism much ?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Byakko on May 25, 2015, 01:41:35 am
Well I guess if DC had any chance to make anything good, that just about sealed it...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Gennos on May 25, 2015, 02:42:25 am
from what i hear about Static, he's like the spider-man of DC. young, charismatic, funny and he beats up bad guys, out of which nothing can be enacted by Jaden smith. did these people even watch After Earth? the kid is a horrible actor. where do i even start; oh he has this emotionless blank expression through out the entire movie almost like a robot, a monotone delivery of lines, and the kid can't even speak probably, he mispronounces words, gets on weird pauses in sentences and some of his lines seem to be audio dubbed . I'm not sure this is his fault, but his character is a whinny bitch too. had it been any other actor who gave this performance in After Earth, his career would've been over.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Iced on May 25, 2015, 02:55:49 am
counterpoint : (http://i.imgur.com/AI0r2Pr.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 25, 2015, 03:04:33 am
I'm not sure that's a counterpoint at all
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Gennos on May 25, 2015, 03:14:44 am
if you didn't watch After Earth, watch this 3 part review of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZB3GLIRx-c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZB3GLIRx-c) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5BJE0fNJg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5BJE0fNJg) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb6nX0PlIuw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb6nX0PlIuw) trust me it's way better than setting through that movie, and it will show you everything you need to know about Jaden's "acting".
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Byakko on May 25, 2015, 04:16:59 am
^-- Closed that shit when it used the "NO" clip of Steve Carell from The Office before the second minute was passed.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 25, 2015, 04:31:33 am
So, couple things. Or I guess just one thing: this "confirmation" is an off hand remark made by an actor who is not involved with any DC stuff. I guess he might've been up for the role of Static, but I don't think he'd find out who got cast in advance of the general public. Maybe he's just referring to the rumors about Jaden Smith getting cast as Static that came out a few months ago? But uh yeah, it's not at all anything concrete; Jaden Smith could very well end up being Static, but it's best to treat this particular news item as baseless speculation.
DC, Batman doesn't need to be every fucking where. You even turned Ollie of all people into him. >:(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Person Man on May 29, 2015, 03:45:02 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordjoker_zps705423b1.png[/avatar]But the last Batman movie did really well. Obviously the lesson there is that people only like things that have Batman in them. So they need to Batman everything they can Batman so that Batman can Batman Batman Batman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 29, 2015, 03:57:07 am
Unless there's a ton of footage being shot elsewhere for this sequence, it seems to be most likely a small cameo in a flashback sequence (apparently involving Harley Quinn's origin and the Joker being arrested, which corresponds to rumors from a while back), because it was all done only with stunt doubles as Batman. Although... it might be slightly bigger (but only slightly) because apparently Ben Affleck was spotted on set in a business suit (so basically, cameoing as Bruce Wayne, briefly).
I can't say that there's anything inherently wrong with all that, just like there being nothing inherently wrong with using the Joker in a Suicide Squad movie; the only problem would be is if either one dominated the movie at the expense of the actual protagonists, which is definitely not happening with Batman, but the Joker? Well, does anyone really trust DC to exercise good judgement with all that?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Byakko on May 29, 2015, 09:35:15 am
CG cape :| Well I guess stunts on top of a moving car require one...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 29, 2015, 05:21:45 pm
DC, Batman doesn't need to be every fucking where. You even turned Ollie of all people into him. >:(
of course he does! and you wanna know why? (https://youtu.be/53iLUBgjpQg?t=11s)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 31, 2015, 04:59:21 am
Chris Pine is apparently in talks to play Wonder Woman's exceedingly boring love interest Steve Trevor, whose arrival on Paradise Island leads her to venture into Man's World (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/chris-pine-circling-warner-bros-798391). He's also known as the guy who got killed off twice in one decade because nobody cared about him, before being summarily dropped from the origin story and being turned into a mentor figure when Wonder Woman was rebooted following Crisis on Infinite Earths (but has since crept back into his original role following DC's increasingly desperate series of reboots).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 31, 2015, 05:17:46 am
I thought they were debuting Trevor in Suicide Squad? Also I liked him in the 2009 animated movie, but I liked almost everything about that movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on May 31, 2015, 05:31:00 am
Doesn't really matter to me anyway. Gal Gaddot as Wonder Woman just means that film will bomb really hard, so they can cast whoever they want as Trevor and make them a love pair for all that I care. It is not like the film can sink any lower than it did with casting Gal Gaddot as Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 31, 2015, 05:31:49 am
I thought they were debuting Trevor in Suicide Squad? Also I liked him in the 2009 animated movie, but I liked almost everything about that movie.
It turned out that guy everyone thought was playing Steve Trevor in Suicide Squad is in fact playing some other role that sounded like it was gonna be something minor but apparently he's signed on for multiple movies so who knows.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 31, 2015, 05:52:14 am
What the hell do they need ANOTHER military guy for multiple movies for-
Oh jeez, I hope they're not ripping off Coulson.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on May 31, 2015, 08:34:21 am
this isn't exactly news but it is interesting: with the internet going nuts over Mad Max: Fury Road, one of director George Miller's recent cancelled projects has been subject to a lot of attention: (http://i.imgur.com/NW8TeVw.jpg) ]I'm referring of course to his Justice League movie that was going to film in 2009, which would've gotten a jump on Marvel's own Avengers! (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/justice-league/246346/justice-league-mortal-a-closer-look-at-george-millers-dc-superhero-movie) I had actually completely forgotten about this, and I had no idea it was Miller who was behind it. It was literally cancelled at the eleventh hour, they were only a few days away from the start of shooting when a combination of the 2009 Writer's Strike and some arcane witchcraft involving Australian tax codes. That it was coming right after the megasuccess of The Dark Knight, and would be starring another actor as a completely different version of Batman probably didn't help matters either, and the project was scrapped and DC decided to go with that fucking Green Lantern movie instead. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGTDbHpUkAAfb3B.jpg) It's a real shame, because the aborted project sounded a shit ton better than DC's current attempt. :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on May 31, 2015, 01:08:21 pm
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Justice League: Mortal sometimes reads more like an extended episode of the Justice League Unlimited animated series.
... And it was scrapped... WHY? JUST WHY? :'( This is so unfair. This would easily be miles better than what DC is doing now.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 04, 2015, 10:08:50 am
Furious 7 and The Conjuring director James Wan is directing Aquaman (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-wan-closes-deals-direct-799686). That's two absolutely depressing properties that Wan has been attached to direct in the same day! :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: SNT on June 04, 2015, 11:15:29 am
Also known as the Saw guy, if you're looking for something a little (less?) depressing.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 08, 2015, 06:56:40 am
Hey! Remember that Sandman movie that hopefully seemed to be in limbo? It's still going on, apparently, and Joseph Gordon Levitt offered an update (http://www.mtv.com/news/2179689/joseph-gordon-levitt-sandman-interview/) that is simultaneously hopeful (there's no punching or shit exploding, because Sandman is really not that kind of thing) but also really ominous sounding ("It’s going to be like a grand spectacular action film", which is not remotely how I would describe an ideal movie adaptation of Sandman). :-\
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on June 10, 2015, 02:04:37 am
WB revelas the new plot synopsis of Batman v Superman (http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-synopsis-revealed/).
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Fearing the actions of a god-like super hero left unchecked, Gotham City’s own formidable, forceful vigilante takes on Metropolis’s most revered, modern-day savior, while the world wrestles with what sort of hero it really needs. And with Batman and Superman at war with one another, a new threat quickly arises, putting mankind in greater danger than it’s ever known before.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on June 10, 2015, 02:25:19 am
A new threat? I guess Wonder Woman will show from Paradise island and start killing everything and everyone in her path then.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: walt on June 10, 2015, 04:06:42 pm
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putting mankind in greater danger than it’s ever known before.
Greater danger than super powered Aliens invading the earth to initiate planet-wide terraforming, killing thousands if not millions in the process?
YOU'VE GOT MY ATTENTION, WARNER BROS.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Byakko on June 10, 2015, 04:10:45 pm
Isn't it supposed to be someone like Darkseid or Brainiac or whichever one isn't the big bad for Justice League ? If so then yeah, greater than that.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on June 11, 2015, 12:49:25 am
Isn't it supposed to be someone like Darkseid or Brainiac or whichever one isn't the big bad for Justice League ? If so then yeah, greater than that.
I really thinking that will be Brainiac...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Iced on June 11, 2015, 01:15:12 am
huuuuuh guys.
the rumour is that its
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Doomsday
but not just any doomsday but specifically
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Zod revived with kryptonian technology to kill superman, thus erasing superman guilt of killing him in the first movie and completely missing the point
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 11, 2015, 03:41:36 am
I think Brainiac and Darkseid were supposed to both be the antagonists for the Justice League movie, because it is, for some reason. split into two parts. here is some promo art, showing off the tone DC wants for this movie: (http://i.imgur.com/AdhqrKW.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2FMsALI.jpg) it's fucking embarrassing
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Post by: Bastard Mami on June 11, 2015, 06:00:26 am
it's like they hired the hive mind guilty of making the doge meme.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Gennos on June 11, 2015, 06:43:58 am
so this "Dark and Edgy" gimmick that's being done to the DC Cinematic Universe, is it all because they thought the Green Lantern movie failed because it had humor in it? but is it really why it failed? (i never watched it). because it seems they're trying to solve a problem with another problem.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on June 11, 2015, 07:32:01 am
so this "Dark and Edgy" gimmick that's being done to the DC Cinematic Universe, is it all because they thought the Green Lantern movie failed because it had humor in it?
That's pretty much what the studio execs think, although the success of The Dark Knight trilogy probably has played the greatest role in their decision-making for the new wave of DC movies ("hey, TDK was grimdark and stuff, lets make EVERY movie like that!").
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Post by: Byakko on June 11, 2015, 09:40:55 am
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 12, 2015, 07:11:30 am
DCCU residents are very confused by what constitutes a mask, maybe? (http://i.imgur.com/qYdeOJQ.jpg) this should be the final nail in the coffin of any rumors/speculation that the promo pic of the Joker was not the final look; this has everything, the grill, the shitty tattoos, the shitty rings, etc.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bastard Wolf on June 12, 2015, 07:28:04 am
why does the DCCU hates super hero movies so much?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 19, 2015, 07:31:04 am
Rumor about who Common and Scott Eastwood are playing (http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/6/18/hot-rumor-update-on-common-scott-eastwoods-roles-in-suicide-squad)
Spoiler: this reveal is apparently being saved for Comic Con so I guess I'll spoil it?(click to see content)
Common is said to be playing the Tattooed Man (and sadly not John Stewart, as previously rumored), and Eastwood is playing a "S. Wilson", which is clearly, obviously Deathstroke.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 25, 2015, 03:51:10 am
The Green Lantern movie is rumored to focus not on a single Green Lantern, but either 2 or 3 (of the human Lanterns, specifically mentioned are Hal Jordan, John Stewart, and Guy Gardner) (http://www.latino-review.com/news/dc-da7e-two-green-lanterns)
also, Ben Affleck might be directing the next Batman movie, which will be called The Batman, which is (still (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Batman_(TV_series))) a terrible title!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 25, 2015, 04:19:45 pm
The Green Lantern movie is rumored to focus not on a single Green Lantern, but either 2 or 3 (of the human Lanterns, specifically mentioned are Hal Jordan, John Stewart, and Guy Gardner) (http://www.latino-review.com/news/dc-da7e-two-green-lanterns)
Not to mention there's strong rumour that Chris "Cap. Kirk" Pine should be Hal Jordan in this new movie (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Chris-Pine-Going-Next-Green-Lantern-70230.html) I like that election, seriously... I hope this become more than a rumour
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: -Whiplash- on June 27, 2015, 01:20:24 am
also, Ben Affleck might be directing the next Batman movie, which will be called The Batman, which is (still (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Batman_(TV_series))) a terrible title!
I honestly really like it when they refer to him as "The Batman" personally.
Makes it feel like the people that refer to him like don't think of him human, which is good, because that's what he wants.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on June 27, 2015, 05:00:24 am
Oh, I just mean like, as a title of the movie. It just sounds dumb as a title!
but yeah, it's fun sometimes for people to be all like "OH NO IT'S THE BATMAN", but it also kinda feels like it's the sort of thing that (should be, at least) is really only present in his early days (much like the whole "Batman is an urban myth" thing that pops up in his early days). When he's been around for 5, 10 years, and a high-profile Justice League member and what not, I just feel like people would stop calling him that?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: -Whiplash- on June 27, 2015, 05:11:46 am
Yeah, that does make sense.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on July 02, 2015, 04:10:43 am
Some slight reshuffling is going on: (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/warner-bros-moves-sandman-new-805721) movies based on Vertigo comics (such as the currently in-development Sandman) have been moved to Warner Bros' sub studio, New Line (where that Shazam movie is also being produced). I would think that means they want to try keep them separate and different thematically/visually/etc, but who can really tell with Warner's desperate attempts at kickstarting a megaranchise of their own?
also Guillermo del Toro is no longer doing Justice League: Dark :(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Roman55 on July 02, 2015, 06:51:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6yfPRXAAIVciq.png)
From the latest EW issue. Also, have the cover and a few images
Clearly you missed out on the 90's: (http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lex-Luthor-II.jpg)
and this was at a time when superman was rocking a mullet.
That wasn't Lex Luthor, that was his heretofore unknown, Australian son, Lex Luthor II, who appeared out of the blue shortly after his father's death via plane crash! Don't believe the lies spread by that alien that he was in fact, a cloned body of Lex Luthor senior, with the brain of the original transplanted into the clone. That's slander!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on July 03, 2015, 01:56:45 pm
Yeah, he was totally a good guy. He was even dating Supergirl, who happened to be a shape shifting alien built using a protoplasmic matrix by good Lex Luthor from the pocket universe where Superman fought Zod. That red head guy is tots Lex Luthor's son, aye.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on July 04, 2015, 04:34:37 am
And people say comic book continuity is complicated!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Byakko on July 05, 2015, 10:25:09 pm
So, you've heard about this Man of Steel movie, right ? The one where Superman doesn't save anyone and breaks a lot of stuff, pretty much killing loads of people ? http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/05/zack-snyder-addresses-the-ending-of-man-of-steel/ Turns out Zack Snyder is totally conscious about it, made it that way on purpose, and specifically wanted to show that superheroes need to be responsible and not destroy stuff. Also pretty much confirms that Superman did, in fact, kill a lot of people, and everyone is aware of it in-universe too.
So... he's really only a super terrible director because it doesn't show at all, it's really not addressed that way, like how we all know that Superman definitely killed lots of people, but we don't see at all that the people in the movie realize that, which is what makes it awful. He just shows the destruction part, not the consequences, or even people being aware of it, and then he says "but my movie precisely shows that there are consequences to destruction !" without actually talking about the consequences in the movie. And picking this particular superhero to do this is still the most terrible choice you can make. Citing his Watchmen is fine, because that's exactly what the comics was about. But Superman ? Right. Superman doesn't deal with consequences, he's the one guy who's supposed to never ever cause these consequences in the first place.
So it does take out a bit of the bad on one side, but adds even more on the other : he's actually an artsy guy. He's just terrible at it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Mechy on July 05, 2015, 10:54:21 pm
Ah yes, so that part when Supes and Lois make out over a sea of bodies as the ashes of million dead babies settle on them was totally a deliberate statement on how Superman needs to be more responsible. Lois did not seem to care, but then again she was making out with Henry Cavill, so I guess she had something else on her mind.
Fuck you Zack Snyder.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2015, 02:23:26 am
What a bunch of stupid, stupid garbage. Man of Steel didn't care one iota about the thousands of people who died in that attack on Metropolis; it in fact took an almost sadistic glee at inflicting suffering on its (fictional) faceless victims, without ever once examining or exploring that impact. Instead we get Superman and Lois having a makeout session amongst the smoldering ruins of the city, and an immediate cut to a scene set months after the attack, where Superman (after destroying a military drone for shits and giggles) chats with that general played by Harry Lennix. That is the extent of the "consequences", and that's a huge stretch as it is: that conversation with the general is one of those standard superhero cliches of the uneasy official giving reluctant support to the superhero; the destruction that reigned down over Metropolis is not mentioned once.
But yes, of course, they're gonna address it in Batman Vee Superman, don't worry. Except of course BvS wasn't planned at all when they were working on MoS (in fact, there was a story that came out last week about how they were planning on using Metallo for the sequel, before things changed and Batman took over Superman's sequel); this whole "people are distrustful of Superman because of the Metropolis battle" is an after the fact justification designed both to placate fans and to generate conflict between Batman and Superman. So don't fucking pretend this was your plan all along!!! And even that plan itself is terrible! Movies should stand on their own, even in megafranchises and the like. It's a terrible idea to depict some event that should have drastic consequences, and then proceed to completely ignore those consequences because you're waiting to do so in the sequel.
Putting that aside, I'm not really certain that addressing it at all is a great idea, but then again ignoring it also sounds terrible. I'm not really sure what the best way to proceed from MoS would've been, short of re-rebooting or retconning stuff or some other terrible idea. This whole version of Superman is built on pretty terrible foundation, even if one discounts the Metropolis stuff, such that it would be a huge challenge to right the ship, as it were, even if the people involved in making the sequel were brand new people with a great handle on Superman. :-\
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Bea on July 07, 2015, 02:31:12 am
Superman? Where? There was no Superman in that film. We had a mass murderer, a terrible, destructive menace in blue overalls and red case, with an S crest that means "Hope I don't save your city". MOS was a major trainwreck and the next reboot can't come soon enough. With Snyder as far away from it as possible. That was some utter bullshit I've read there. I'd punch him if I've ever met him.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2015, 04:54:02 am
Ben Affleck will direct and co-write the next Batman movie, (http://deadline.com/2015/07/ben-affleck-geoff-johns-batman-dc-entertainment-warner-bros-comic-con-1201472921/) which is a cool choice and might even have a shot at being good. Oh, right, who was the co-writer? Ah, DC comics chief creative officer Geoff Johns.
That's really bad. Outside of his recent work on Superman, Johns's writing has, since the last decade or so, been uniformly awful, and as the primary overseer of DC's comic creative direction, has been responsible for a whole number of bafflingly terrible creative decisions. And his work on Batman especially is just awful, as his Earth One series has made readily apparent; there are a number of characters (like Superman and the Flash) that Johns just instinctively gets, and has written amazing runs on. Batman is very much not one of those characters, he is, in fact, probably the DC character Johns has the absolute worst handle on (either him or Wonder Woman). This is really not promising news. :-\
(but isn't it like present day DC to have Geoff Johns write Batman, but give Superman to David S. Goyer and Zack Snyder???)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: Dawn of trailer leakage
Post by: QuickFist on July 10, 2015, 05:08:23 am
Glad Affleck will direct tho
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2015, 09:30:52 pm
:-\ :-\ :-\
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
even with all my whining, I can't help but get excited when I see Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, all on screen, even though I really dislike almost all of the choices they're making with this.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Bea on July 11, 2015, 09:32:06 pm
That... looked atrocious. It has the potential to be worse than Man of Mass Murder. DC, WHAT THE FUCK are you doing?
This is so damn wrong. I am one of the biggest Superman and Wonder Woman fan girls out there. And I am dreading their live action film.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Iced on July 11, 2015, 09:34:13 pm
I liked it. It does a good job of getting people hyped and shows batman all theatrical like. The scene with wayne in the middle of the destruction were pretty good.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: K.O.D on July 11, 2015, 09:38:39 pm
that was great, will watch day 1
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2015, 09:40:37 pm
2:01 has a certain costume on display in the Batcave.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Bea on July 11, 2015, 09:45:16 pm
... Yes, it does. It definitely does. This trailer has me impressed. That is Superman, even though he doesn't quite dresses like him.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. DC is pulling the same stunt of the last time, with a trailer that looks almost right. That feels like the pieces are in place. Nope, not again, never again.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 11, 2015, 09:51:21 pm
Yeah, I don't buy it either. Only way I'll be watching this movie is if it's what most everyone wants to watch for monthly movie night. So I hope there is something else better playing that month!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Mechy on July 11, 2015, 09:57:35 pm
Yeah it's the trailer fakeout again. It's the marketing department getting the appeal of the brand better then the people who actually made the movie.
RLM explained it pretty well:
Or not, but this is always fun to post.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2015, 10:10:57 pm
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. DC is pulling the same stunt of the last time, with a trailer that looks almost right. That feels like the pieces are in place. Nope, not again, never again.
I dunno, I still think the Man of Steel trailer was actually good, I'm just not feeling this one at all. MoS had a monologue taken directly from All-Star Superman and was built around a scene where Superman takes his first, joyous flight. This BvS trailer instead looks like how MoS actually turned out: 9/11 imagery out the wazoo because this is a serious and dramatic movie, an absurd number of shots of Superman as a heavenly Christ figure, one of Superman's human parents telling him that he maybe shouldn't save people, etc.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2015, 10:12:14 pm
It looks so dire, and yet I'm still hyped to see Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman on the big screen.
God help me, I'll be watching it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Gennos on July 11, 2015, 10:14:01 pm
i just don't know why you guys keep hating on this version of superman. he killed Zod, so what? it had to be done. he was gonna either choose between killing him or letting him live and kill those people. now i understand that situation wasn't well presented and superman could've done something else and let them both live. but what if superman was put in situation where he has to choose between these 2 with no alternatives? he got alot of people killed. yes he did and in a perfect world superman will save everyone and defeat the villains without killing them. but in MoS it's the first year of him being a superhero in a normal world, he doesn't have any experience in doing any of this, and to top it all he had to battle bunch of evil kryptonians AND managed to defeat them all so i say he did pretty good imo. so just relax damn it! >:(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Bea on July 11, 2015, 10:15:35 pm
I dunno, I still think the Man of Steel trailer was actually good, I'm just not feeling this one at all. MoS had a monologue taken directly from All-Star Superman and was built around a scene where Superman takes his first, joyous flight. This BvS trailer instead looks like how MoS actually turned out: 9/11 imagery out the wazoo because this is a serious and dramatic movie, an absurd number of shots of Superman as a heavenly Christ figure, one of Superman's human parents telling him that he maybe shouldn't save people, etc.
The MoS trailer was terrific. It had me in high hopes that we were getting a proper Superman film. Then we got the film and I left the theatre crying before it ended. This one does some things right, mostly with Batman, and the Wonder Woman reveal was made in such way that would have me excited, if I didn't know better by now. The trailer tried to be good, and they almost got there, but now we already know that the people helming this don't understand the material at all.
I will give them that this trailer makes me believe that we actually might get a decent solo Batman film with Ben Affleck directing it. Batman was the most proper part of this trailer.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2015, 10:18:04 pm
You should probably take your own advice. We've all had two years to process that movie. There's no argument you could possibly make that's going to sway people one way or another at this point.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Thagr8test on July 11, 2015, 10:23:55 pm
looks like epic nonsense the trailer lost me when I saw bruce wayne (powerless human being) running towards falling buildings and smoke clouds smh
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: 『レム-レム』 on July 11, 2015, 10:29:08 pm
where is lex luthor please ?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2015, 10:30:57 pm
Lex Luthor is the guy in the bad wig (it's supposed to be a bad wig because he's secretly bald!)
i just don't know why you guys keep hating on this version of superman. he killed Zod, so what? it had to be done. he was gonna either choose between killing him or letting him live and kill those people. now i understand that situation wasn't well presented and superman could've done something else and let them both live. but what if superman was put in situation where he has to choose between these 2 with no alternatives? he got alot of people killed. yes he did and in a perfect world superman will save everyone and defeat the villains without killing them. but in MoS it's the first year of him being a superhero in a normal world, he doesn't have any experience in doing any of this, and to top it all he had to battle bunch of evil kryptonians AND managed to defeat them all so i say he did pretty good imo. so just relax damn it! >:(
Honestly, Superman killing Zod is the least of that movie's problems. The filmmakers chose to force Superman into that position, and while I think that was a very bad choice, the decision Superman made because of that isn't entirely out of bounds for his character.
The destruction of Metropolis is the really big thing, and it's all so needless. They wanted a big, blowout action sequence with lots of kewl effects, and they chose to do that in a very easy, simplistic way, without any real consideration to how it would impact the rest of the movie. None of the destruction in Man of Steel was necessitated by the plot, or Superman's character or inexperience; they are all choices made by the filmmakers, who set things up so that Metropolis would get partially destroyed by the World Engine, and that Superman's fight with Zod also takes place in the city. There's also the fight in Smallville, where Superman very intentionally keeps the fight in the town (for some reason), even though he's given ample opportunity to take it elsewhere. These are all pretty bad storytelling choices, and leaves the movie with an overall sour note, which isn't helped by all the other dumb/weird things in that movie, like the Christ imagery, the fact that Pa Kent tells his son that it's better to give into fear and not try and help others (literally the exact opposite of the entire message of Superman!!!), the fact that Superman is barely a character and has a shockingly few amount of lines compared to other characters, and so on.
It's painfully clear that the filmmakers themselves didn't put a ton of thought into how it would be perceived, which had them scrambling to try and course correct with this movie.
looks like epic nonsense the trailer lost me when I saw bruce wayne (powerless human being) running towards falling buildings and smoke clouds smh
That's exactly what he would do, though. He's a superhero, they save people. It felt like one of the few right notes in this trailer.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: lui on July 11, 2015, 10:35:37 pm
I like how they showed us (Jason Todd's I'm assuming) Robin suit all messed up with Joker's graffiti on it. It makes it a bit more chilling to see everyday if I were Bruce Wayne keeping that thing around. Anywho, trailer looks good, I'll keep myself optimistic about the movie until it releases, then I will say any criticisms I have about it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Thagr8test on July 11, 2015, 10:36:04 pm
I feel like the more realistic thing for him to do is usher people away from the destruction not run head first into a cloud of smoke firefighters struggle to see in that yet a guy with no mask or breathing apparatus can manage just fine? Just felt like a bit much to me and this isn't anything close to what a batman/superman movie would have been in mind hoping for one to be made. This will be another movie that splits audiences again
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2015, 10:47:21 pm
I feel like the more realistic thing for him to do is usher people away from the destruction not run head first into a cloud of smoke firefighters struggle to see in that yet a guy with no mask or breathing apparatus can manage just fine?
Real people actually do that, though. Real people actually did that on the event they're aping.
Also, I don't know if you heard but Bruce Wayne is the Batman. It was all over the news last week
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Iced on July 11, 2015, 11:18:03 pm
I feel like the more realistic thing for him to do is usher people away from the destruction not run head first into a cloud of smoke firefighters struggle to see in that yet a guy with no mask or breathing apparatus can manage just fine? Just felt like a bit much to me and this isn't anything close to what a batman/superman movie would have been in mind hoping for one to be made. This will be another movie that splits audiences again
the very next shot shows he ran into the cloud to save a child.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Thagr8test on July 11, 2015, 11:27:34 pm
I get the point of the scene I was just saying that someone being able to navigate their way through tons of smoke and debris to do anything in the mist of a disaster of that scale is a bit of a stretch but its a movie with jesus in a blue suit so its not the wildest thing you'll see that bit just stood out to me
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: lui on July 11, 2015, 11:27:53 pm
Just saw the Suicide Squad trailer, Jared Leto still looks stupid, BUT they captured the Joker's personality real well, which is all that matter to me at this point. Batman appears in the trailer, and everything else looks awesome compared to BvS. I wish they changed the tone of the trailer though. Harley Quinn and Deadshot look fantastic. Amanda Waller was really captured well too, everything about this trailer is good. The logo they showed at the end wa meh tho.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2015, 11:40:33 pm
cool don't link to it or anything
the batman v superman trailer looked alright but i can't get over how stupid lex luthor looks. that was the worst part imo.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2015, 11:44:47 pm
Just saw the Suicide Squad trailer, Jared Leto still looks stupid, BUT they captured the Joker's personality real well, which is all that matter to me at this point. Batman appears in the trailer, and everything else looks awesome compared to BvS. I wish they changed the tone of the trailer though. Harley Quinn and Deadshot look fantastic. Amanda Waller was really captured well too, everything about this trailer is good. The logo they showed at the end wa meh tho.
The trailer was only shown at the Comic Con panel and I haven't seen any leaks? Where did you see it?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: lui on July 11, 2015, 11:53:50 pm
Ill PM you a link.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Nestor on July 11, 2015, 11:53:50 pm
There were some leaks on YouTube ("Suicide Squad Trailer", filter "Today"); looks like WB already took down the one I just watched, it was just 3 minutes ago, the trailer was posted 45 minutes ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QMqxxI2M_M
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Small clip of the Joker from the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm3OodX6Gdw
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 12, 2015, 03:24:47 am
Here's a vimeo link if you can put up with this tool's big-ass hardcoded branding shit. (https://vimeo.com/133237497)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on July 12, 2015, 05:25:59 am
Yep, BvS will be "if Superman is a hero or a villain and blah blah blah..."
Spoiler: Screens that i catch.(click to see content)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4iGaz37f0T0/VaHZefGHIjI/AAAAAAAAFAU/HgIr8p0zwC8/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_45_08_472.png) I really want to know who's she?
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5uChY708_us/VaHZhAjhnLI/AAAAAAAAFA8/qUDX3o03MGs/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_47_43_32.png) Kal-El entering the court (like a boss!)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mTKrOWelFO4/VaHZilHd-9I/AAAAAAAAFAs/F-rTOP27D_4/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_48_30_670.png) Bruce in Metropolis when he seen the Wayne Tower destroyed during the Superman vs. Zod battle.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/UVxhAuf4Gspe74RLHElH0ZsARtSASFG2QLTk_s_ROnU=w1044-h436-no) Speaking about Zod...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BT2iotMQlPc/VaHaKyGwyKI/AAAAAAAAFDE/NVLWYep5bCs/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_49_14_225.png) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_HeBvXe0d2A/VaHZonA2t9I/AAAAAAAAFBk/yu6mBi4k68E/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_56_11_901.png) Death in the Family references (idk about the first image, but the second surely was).
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LK_F6E1fCpg/VaHZu5lgzyI/AAAAAAAAFCU/dSDynFhzVL0/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_12_00_00_41_156.png) HERE COMES THE PAIN!!
And i leave the worst for the end... (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q9un6mg-3WY/VaHZkbTcJJI/AAAAAAAAFBU/75mH33QUveE/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_50_09_372.png) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GdCPDqHy4OU/VaHZmnbjJAI/AAAAAAAAFBI/s7M0M9IPGyo/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_51_13_814.png) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LhM0tVIBGPQ/VaHZtYEbEkI/AAAAAAAAFCE/Zra3Qays9MA/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_12_00_00_06_528.png) WTF they did with Luthor?? This is a big MEH! Luthor looks like a dumbass guy, mainly in the end of the trailer. (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XRfB0F5ox94/VaHZyydTvoI/AAAAAAAAFCs/23IjQTrcyck/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_12_00_01_29_962.png) "The Red Cape is coming..." UGH!! :disappointed:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 12, 2015, 05:53:54 am
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Iced on July 12, 2015, 05:56:20 am
seems like a nightmare.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2015, 06:02:17 am
Yep; there's a few shots of a post-apocalyptic landscape, and when combined with that earlier released photo still of Superman walking before a group of bowing soldiers (the same soldiers Batman is fighting in that gif), suggests it's some kind of hallucination by Batman of what would happen if Superman took over.
Interesting that Batman imagines himself forced to do the same thing Superman did (snap a dude's neck); his costume in this sequence also looks reminiscent of the Batman from Red Son (trenchcoat, goggles on his head giving a somewhat similar head profile to Red Son Batman's hat)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4iGaz37f0T0/VaHZefGHIjI/AAAAAAAAFAU/HgIr8p0zwC8/w1044-h436-no/Capturar_2015_07_11_23_45_08_472.png I really want to know who's she?
Holly Hunter's character was described as a senator, and she presumably is trying to bring the hammer down on Superman for what he did to Metropolis.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2015, 06:03:28 am
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2015, 08:28:46 am
reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxmAVJ5jybU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxmAVJ5jybU)
and a bunch of other scenes i can't find right now
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2015, 01:27:29 pm
I don't see what in this sequence or the "soldiers kneeling" sequence imply that the post apocalyptic parts are a dream more than other sequences. From what I'm seeing, it could very well actually happen. Just expecting it to be a nightmare is setting yourself up for a painful disappointment.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: lui on July 12, 2015, 01:55:16 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 12, 2015, 06:11:36 pm
Lol at "canon and staying faithful to the comics"
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: QuickFist on July 13, 2015, 10:59:49 pm
Suicide Squad trailer
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Bea on July 14, 2015, 12:09:45 am
That... looks good and interesting. Some designs are way over the top (Harley and The Joker), but... that looks cool. The dark and edgy mood fits this film.
I will be seeing this one.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Person Man on July 14, 2015, 12:13:02 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordjoker_zps705423b1.png[/avatar]Jared Leto's acting there has convinced me that he could play a really good Joker.
However, Jared Leto's costume there has convinced me that he's not actually playing the Joker, but some random meth-head who thinks the Joker is really cool.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 14, 2015, 12:15:36 am
That... looks good and interesting. Some designs are way over the top (Harley and The Joker), but... that looks cool. The dark and edgy mood fits this film.
I will be seeing this one.
Yeah.
I really wish there was more of captain Boomerang in that trailer but I'm going to assume he has a big role in the Film. Since him and Deadshot are the only two mainstay members of the squad, in this movie and in general.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 14, 2015, 04:52:27 am
I'm intrigued and fairly optimistic, but the costume/makeup designs for the Joker and Harley are still raising some alarm bells.
But man oh man, Viola Davis is just killing it as The Wall, I may watch this just for her!
Also is that Enchantress with the headlamp, in the cave? Whatever she finds down there is probably how she gets her powers; she's in a lot of shots in that trailer, which implies she's got a pretty big part (which is cool, because Enchantress is great! and one of the first members of Suicide Squad!)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Iced on July 15, 2015, 01:39:05 pm
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 15, 2015, 02:25:12 pm
If I didnt see that in the trialer I would swear somebody shopped that head on to the guy and made that gif.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: S. Jetstream on July 15, 2015, 02:50:22 pm
It seems to be that during bats retirement, people laugh about him. But now it's time to fear again
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Luis Alejandro on July 15, 2015, 03:47:28 pm
So the movie is taking place 10 years after batman retires like dkr?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: SlySuavity on July 15, 2015, 07:13:39 pm
Curiously, is Ben Affleck really that good a director? The sardonicism towards him being Batman strongly suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 15, 2015, 07:43:29 pm
He's a great director, it's his reputation as an actor that most people against him latch on to
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Mechy on July 15, 2015, 08:24:50 pm
He made "The Town" and that's a really fucking good movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: QuickFist on July 16, 2015, 12:13:10 am
And Argo
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Bea on July 16, 2015, 12:40:54 am
I am actually convinced that he can make and direct a decent Batman film.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 16, 2015, 05:08:16 am
Ben Affleck is a good director, but I don't think I would call him a great one (he's a much better director than Zack Snyder, though!). I think he could pull off a pretty cool Batman movie, but the issue there is that it's being written by Geoff Johns, whose previous work on Batman has been really, really bad.
So the movie is taking place 10 years after batman retires like dkr?
Sure looks like it, got a Robin costume in a glass case and Wayne manor is covered in vines and is totally dilapidated; of course, TDKR was playing off a long friendship between Batman and Superman when it brought the two to blows, and didn't have a veteran, older Batman versus a young, fresh-faced Superman whom Batman has never met before.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: lui on July 18, 2015, 01:37:44 am
I don't want to do the whole "Warrior Woman" thing
BUT ISNT WONDER WOMAN A DAMN WARRIOR WOMAN
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 18, 2015, 01:49:24 am
This probably belongs in the comic topic more that the movie topic, but whatever. Morrison's goal with his Wonder Woman book is to write the character as he thinks her original creator would have wrote it. He's pimping that book.
Now we can debate all day about Marston and what he meant Wonder Woman to be (personally, I'm not really interested in the book but I'm not sure I'm the target audience anyway being a fan of "adventure stories" and all), but that's all this is.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2015, 02:42:12 am
Honestly? No. Or at least, she shouldn't be. It's one of the most boring and least interesting takes on the character (naturally, it's the one DC is using for its movies).
Wonder Woman is a fascinatingly complex and contradictory character, and the warrior aspect of her is only one among many. Much more important are the aspects of being an ambassador of peace, of actively trying (and succeeding) in rehabilitating her villains, and bringing about a newer, better vision of the world.
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Post by: lui on July 23, 2015, 04:51:25 am
Zack Snyder's son is rumored to be playing Robin (who will be killed by Jared Leto's Joker) in a flashback. Honestly, yeah, he looks like he can fit the part actually.
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Post by: Reck on July 24, 2015, 06:55:26 am
I just recently went back and started reading the old school 1987 Suicide Squad comics to familiarize myself with the SS story and lore, and while there is very cheesy 80s shit in there like fucking "Dinosaur Island" I am thoroughly enjoying reading through these. For a little while I contemplated on whether or not I should go back and read the older stuff or just the new 52 and I gotta say I'm very happy I decided to go back and read the older shit as well. The actual SS movie cast looks to be a mixture of old SS characters and New 52 (Harley & El Diablo) and then there's the random as fuck additions of Katana and Killer Croc. :S But hey I'm willing to give it a chance. At this point I'm just very curious as to what the movie's plot entails. I gotta say though I'm very happy that Ayer didn't go completely with the new 52 and held on to those older characters like Flagg and Boomerang. Flagg is a fucking badass in the comics. For those unfamiliar with the character, him and Bronze Tiger are the only two members of (the original) SS that aren't villains working off sentences, Flagg is covert ops government soldier who does all kinds of wacky shit in the comics. I'm curious how that dynamic is gonna work in the film. Eh... that's enough out of me for the moment... I highly recommend reading those older comics I mentioned they're really fucking great.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2015, 05:57:21 am
That Suicide Squad (it feels weird to call it that, for so long it *was* the only Suicide Squad run, and it's certainly still the definitive one) is, legitimately, not only one of the greatest runs in all of the many Big Two superhero comic runs, it's also one of the best runs in comics, period. It's simply astounding how fucking incredible it is. It makes such great use of its setting in the DC universe, it adds a bunch of cool concepts and characters to the universe, and significantly deepened and made more complex several of the longstanding characters that appeared in the book. Like, seriously, Captain Boomerang was a forgettable gimmick villain before Suicide Squad; Deadshot had appeared like, what, less than a dozen times since his revival in the Englehart/Rogers Detective Comics run (which brought back and revamped the character from his literally only appearance, 30 years ago!!!!); and enough can't be said about Oracle! I think it is highly likely that Barbara Gordon would've languished in relative obscurity before being wheeled out (both literally and figuratively) and killed off sometime in the 90s or 00s in order to make Batman and Gordon very sad, if not for Suicide Squad reinventing her as Oracle.
It is kinda weird that Suicide Squad is suddenly everywhere now, though; DC had basically ignored it for 2 decades, after all. One can't but feel like the reason they're pushing the property so hard is that it fits very well with their current philosophy of grim and gritty mature and realistic stories for mature adults, though. :-\
And the thing is, none of the revivals have really come close to that first run (except for that one episode of Justice League Unlimited where they appeared, that was pretty incredible, and Waller is a present throughout and AMAZING). I guess that Assault On Arkham movie turned out pretty well but something felt slightly off, somehow? And we need not speak of the travesty that was the nu52 Suicide Squad book. Instead, the legacy of that first run has really been best seen in books like Greg Rucka's Checkmate run (which, in addition to starring Amanda Waller, carried on Suicide Squad's exploration of espionage, secretive government agencies, and complex moral quandaries in the DC universe), and Gail Simone's Secret Six (which featured Deadshot as a constant on the team, and which carried on the incredible character work Suicide Squad did on its villains of questionable morality). I'd totally recommend checking out both of those runs!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Reck on July 25, 2015, 07:46:15 am
I'm in the middle of the original Suicide Squad run at the moment, I just got to the nightshade stuff (#13) and I've been enjoying the ride thus far. I wanted to read the New 52 Suicide Squad right after I got done with the original run, but I'll take that recommendation of yours and check out Secret Six before I do so. I'm aware of the Secret Six but just never really cared enough to actually read an issue. (Catman was a weird turn off for me lol) looking at the most recent incarnation of the comic book Suicide Squad makes me cringe a bit, the fact that bigger named villains like Black Manta & Reverse-Flash are in it sorta shies me away from wanting to read them, not to mention the absence of Flagg (He's been my favorite character thus far so that kinda bums me out). But I'm still gonna check it out with an open mind. Oh and one more thing about the New 52... I absolutely fucking hate the fact that they turned Waller into a fucking barbie doll (looks only) she's meant to be a heavy set very intimidating individual and they've gone ahead and removed that in the new 52 (from what I've seen)... That and Flagg's absence are my two biggest gripes but like I said I'm going to try and go into it with an open mind and not hate on it too much.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 26, 2015, 01:27:34 am
I'm in the middle of the original Suicide Squad run at the moment, I just got to the nightshade stuff (#13) and I've been enjoying the ride thus far. I wanted to read the New 52 Suicide Squad right after I got done with the original run, but I'll take that recommendation of yours and check out Secret Six before I do so. I'm aware of the Secret Six but just never really cared enough to actually read an issue.
Bane is in it though! and I mean the GOOD, Genius Bane that's actually an interesting character (and my Favorite Batman Villain)! Also, new 52 Squad starts off pretty meh but it's gets tolerable later on. (though that may be my bias because Captain Boomerang Shows up later on and I like everything with him in it.)
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looking at the most recent incarnation of the comic book Suicide Squad makes me cringe a bit, the fact that bigger named villains like Black Manta & Reverse-Flash are in it sorta shies me away from wanting to read them, not to mention the absence of Flagg (He's been my favorite character thus far so that kinda bums me out).
Honestly, Black Manta and the Reverse Flash are okay in the book, I really like Manta's No-nonsense Attitude and the Reverse Flash is relatively unknown, being the New 52 one who's been replaced by Zoom now.
Ayer didn't go completely with the new 52 and held on to those older characters like Flagg and Boomerang.
Boomerang is in the New 52 Squad. He just isn`t in every book right away, he is NOW though. :D (Seriously Boomerang is my favorite Character, well, him a Deadshot.)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on July 26, 2015, 06:20:09 am
I heard the newer volume of nu52 Suicide Squad (the only literally titled New Suicide Squad) is supposed to be pretty good.
Inside the greatest superhero showdown of all time!
awesome, i wonder what scoops they got on captain america: civil war
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Bea on July 28, 2015, 09:52:09 pm
... I guess they solved the age old problem of live action Batman not being able to turn his neck while in costume by giving Batman no neck...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Byakko on July 28, 2015, 09:55:40 pm
I just realized why they used a super fat bat for the chest logo (it's ugly). .... with no neck and the ears barely coming out of the wings, too !
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Post by: Reck on July 28, 2015, 11:27:30 pm
Looks like they're going for the Frank Miller Dark Knight Returns look, where Batman is a lot more "meatier" looking than his usual comic book appearances. (http://41.media.tumblr.com/90d3b7d884c537c77d8110f20931e8b6/tumblr_mzcpmb3O5i1scp23ko1_1280.jpg)(http://seekersofthebat.com/wp-content/uploads/THE-DARK-KNIGHT-RETURNS-BATMAN-ACTION-FIGURE.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Byakko on July 28, 2015, 11:31:37 pm
Even so, it just doesn't work in a real life version, at least not in this kind of story. I mean, it's not like he's supposed to beat him just with physical strength ! It shouldn't be of any help to look like a veteran wrestler on the verge of retirement - quite literally, there's no reason for him to sport that kind of size, it's just to appeal to the beefcake crowd. Or maybe, best case scenario, they gave it a bit of thought and didn't want to have two antagonist heroes have the same kind of physique and they went for diversity. Except usually, in that case, Superman is the beefcake one in comics.
Oh, by the way, I hope they don't try to have this Batman hide his identity, because there's no way anyone is gonna miss the billionaire who looks like he was carved out of a giant slab of marble two and a half thousand years ago.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: walt on July 29, 2015, 04:43:44 pm
Uh, fuck off ? What's your problem ? I made one post about it criticizing something new, the previous one was weeks ago with the first images.
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Post by: Gennos on July 29, 2015, 04:53:00 pm
yeah it's obvious they're trying to hype this up as the movie version of TDR even though it's not an adaption of it.
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Post by: kakabot on July 29, 2015, 07:36:23 pm
I like it, its cool how its really similar to the DKR. I don't think there has been a live action Batman movie where his bat-costume wasn't all blacked out, and was just some random suit made up for movie purposes.
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Post by: Bea on July 29, 2015, 07:38:52 pm
I like it, its cool how its really similar to the DKR. I don't think there has been a live action Batman movie where his bat-costume wasn't all blacked out, and was just some random suit made up for movie purposes.
I like it, its cool how its really similar to the DKR. I don't think there has been a live action Batman movie where his bat-costume wasn't all blacked out, and was just some random suit made up for movie purposes.
Its definitely not what? Awesome? Or are you saying that in reference to me saying it looks similar to the TDKR costume...because it also does. I also said " I don't think there has been a live action Batman..." so yeah I made a mistake on the internet "oh noez!"
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Post by: Iced on July 29, 2015, 09:50:10 pm
wow you manage to antagonize even people agreeing with what you said. Incredible.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 29, 2015, 09:51:21 pm
Well yeah, you made a mistake. That was the purpose of the response. The better response would have been "lol my bad" or something to that effect rather than get defensive.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 30, 2015, 02:30:45 am
Never was a fan of the TDKR Bat-symbol, it's just too big! And also I blame it and Year One for causing the oval bat-symbol to lose favor and eventually disappear from almost all versions of Batman. >:[ now the hot rumor is that Chris Pine is in fact playing Wonder Woman's very boring love interest, Steve Trevor, (http://www.thewrap.com/chris-pine-closes-deal-to-star-opposite-gal-gadot-in-wonder-woman-exclusive/) instead of the previously rumored Green Lantern, Hal Jordan.
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Post by: Bea on July 30, 2015, 02:50:50 am
The oval symbol is quite a great loss. :( Keaton's Batman costume looked so cool thanks to it.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 30, 2015, 02:58:38 am
It really makes the symbol pop; once they got rid of it on the movie costumes it became so hard to discern the symbol (especially on the TDK suit, which had those armor plates mixed in there too, creating even more visual noise). The BvS suit, at least, colored the main body grey, like the comics, so the symbol stands out.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 09, 2015, 02:18:52 am
A screening of Batman V Superman got a standing ovation... (http://www.avclub.com/article/rumor-time-warner-bros-executives-loved-batman-v-s-223554)
... by executives at Warner Brothers.
They have reportedly fallen in love with Ben Affleck's Batman, so much so that they have shuffled around their DC movie schedule (and also the non-DC movies Affleck was going to direct) to fit in three more Batman movies. Because of course they fucking did. Of course the executives at Warner Brothers can't recognize the giant fucking goldmine they're sitting on, a vast treasure of intellectual property in an expansive, detailed universe. No. Fuck that shit, let's do Batman, again. Don't even fucking try to develop anyone else, it's all Batman all the time forever. :-\
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 09, 2015, 02:31:37 am
The other heroes are our enemy! He's the only fehh-friend we got! It's just us and Batman! Us and Batman and his adventures! Us and Batman forever and forever, 100 years, Batman things! Us and you and us and Batman running around and... Bat-time! All day long, forever... all- a hundred days! Batman and us forever a hundred times! Over and over, batmanadventures.com. www.batman.com. www.batmanadventures. All 100 years. Every minute, batman.com. www.100timesbatman.com!
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Post by: Tyrant Belial on August 09, 2015, 03:04:32 am
I'd rather more Rehashed Batman then another Grimdark Man of Steel or another Boring Green Lantern Movie.
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Post by: Titiln on August 09, 2015, 03:22:22 am
yeah to be honest i can't blame them for favoring batman so much considering how bad man of steel and green lantern were and how well the batman trilogy did
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 09, 2015, 03:53:35 am
It's not a great long-term business strategy, especially if they're trying to ape Marvel; the Iron Man movies have consistently been the highest grossing solo entries at Marvel, and RDJ is still game to star in future movies (both solo and otherwise). And yet, Marvel is smart enough to know that it needs to come up with new franchises, and get audiences to fall in love with more of their characters; it didn't green light another set of Iron Man sequels after seeing the not-as-impressive B.O. totals for their other superhero solo outings, and eventually they managed another surprise hit like the original Iron Man with Guardians of the Galaxy, which itself would've been the first on the chopping block had Marvel decided to reshuffle things and crank out more Iron Man movies.
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Post by: Byakko on August 09, 2015, 04:13:57 am
Speaking of the first movie to go, wanna bet they'll ax the Wonder Woman movie to give space to Batman ? Oh, don't worry, Wondy will still guest in those Batman movie.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 09, 2015, 04:28:02 am
No way, they want to beat Captain Marvel to the punch. I'd bet on Flash and Aquaman getting shuffled around to appease the Bat-God.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 09, 2015, 04:42:27 am
Filming for Wonder Woman is, IIRC supposed to start this fall, with I think maybe Aquaman in the spring. Those are also the only other movies that already have directors attached, so it doesn't seem likely they'd get bumped. The Flash, Shazam, Green Lantern, and Cyborg movies, though, those seem like the obvious choices to delay.
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Post by: Bea on August 09, 2015, 01:16:08 pm
This also likely means we won't be getting another solo Superman film any time soon, and it saddens me to admit that I way more okay with that than should be acceptable. :'(
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Post by: rgveda99 on August 09, 2015, 05:28:44 pm
yeah to be honest i can't blame them for favoring batman so much considering how bad man of steel and green lantern were and how well the batman trilogy did
Man of Steel was bad? I remember enjoying it a lot actually. The only gripe I had with it was Lois Lane's character development was non existent. Now Green Lantern, that's another story, what a huge fuck up that was.
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Post by: Gennos on August 11, 2015, 09:40:05 am
they can make a hundred batman movies but they could never make it as good as the Nolan's trilogy. Nolan is a fucking genius and his work could never be replicated. his movies are so condensed yet also compact, every scene has a purpose, great choice of story and script, and they have beautifully shot action scenes. these guys are just trying to play it safe and cash in on his success by imitating him, they don't have his passion for movies.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 11, 2015, 10:08:51 am
The only Nolan Batman movie I enjoyed was The dark knight.
Man of Steel was bad? I remember enjoying it a lot actually. The only gripe I had with it was Lois Lane's character development was non existent. Now Green Lantern, that's another story, what a huge fuck up that was.
Where have you been. this entire thread has had people whining about how shit that movie was. never mind all the people on the internet that hated it.
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Post by: Byakko on August 11, 2015, 10:39:54 am
Nolan is a fucking genius and his work could never be replicated.
Alright, let's not get carried away.
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Post by: JustNoPoint on August 11, 2015, 11:51:01 am
To be fair to Man of Steel there are a lot of people that actually liked it. I think the divide is from ppl that care more about how the character is represented. If he wasn't SuperMan the movie probably wouldn't be lambasted here nearly as much.
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Post by: Mechy on August 11, 2015, 11:54:27 am
Should have just made it an Irredeemable movie.
Henry Cavill would have made good Plutonian. (http://i.imgur.com/PjwjAIi.jpg)
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Post by: Byakko on August 11, 2015, 11:58:01 am
To be fair to Man of Steel there are a lot of people that actually liked it. I think the divide is from ppl that care more about how the character is represented. If he wasn't SuperMan the movie probably wouldn't be lambasted here nearly as much.
Yeah, the whole concept of gods fighting each others and causing natural disasters that don't care for human lives is fine, that's the entire thing that Greek myth runs on, it was touched upon in Will Smith's Hancock and it's cool. It's just that Superman is the only one that's precisely supposed to avoid that at all costs. Unless you're making, I don't know, an Injustice or a Justice Lords movie, but that's just boring because it's all people ever do with "OMG what if Superman turned/was evil guyz". What's hurtful is how he took the most famous brand he could think of to do his thing because he thought that no one would watch it if he didn't. (again, look at Hancock)
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Post by: walt on August 11, 2015, 03:45:04 pm
Nolan is a fucking genius and his work could never be replicated.
Alright, let's not get carried away.
No, let's.
Everything he and his team (His brother Jonathan Nolan, writer. His wife Emma Thomas, Producer) touch turns to gold. Their commercial success comes from them actually being uncommitted visionaries.
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Post by: Thedge on August 11, 2015, 03:55:51 pm
I really like all nolan's movies so far... except TDKR, it is an all around terrible movie, and it only gets worst everytime you rewatch it. There, I said it.
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Post by: JustNoPoint on August 11, 2015, 03:59:29 pm
Agreed. So far that's the only stinker. The 1st time you watch it you're like trying to convince yourself it's good. But the more it settles on you...
All in all that being the worst out of all the films he's made isn't so bad. And I don't know. I kinda can see how he'd get screwed up when he probably expected to be able to use Joker again. IIRC they announced it'd be a trilogy when they started the second one?
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Post by: Byakko on August 11, 2015, 04:01:05 pm
Batman Begins was okay but it didn't get any attention (compared to now, at least), and Dark Knight Rises was super weird with a lot of issues here and there. Dark Knight is the only reason the Batman trilogy got any attention. I have no idea what else Nolan has done and I don't really care (although I think there was one of the recent big space-centered movie and I hated it).
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Post by: Iced on August 11, 2015, 04:02:39 pm
critic wise all 3 got a ton of attention, the second one more than the others.
I think they were all very weak with the first one being the strongest. their insistence on being "realistic" but casting aside realism for their technology soured them for me.
( microwave bomb, nuclear portable reactor, bat cellphone sonar )
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Post by: Byakko on August 11, 2015, 04:04:35 pm
Begins got a lot of critics attention ? Over here, it was "oh cool, a nice Batman movie", but nobody cared much.
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Post by: JustNoPoint on August 11, 2015, 04:05:14 pm
Batman Begins was okay but it didn't get any attention (compared to now, at least), and Dark Knight Rises was super weird with a lot of issues here and there. Dark Knight is the only reason the Batman trilogy got any attention. I have no idea what else Nolan has done and I don't really care (although I think there was one of the recent big space-centered movie and I hated it).
Didn't Begins still get quite nice reviews though? I don't remember if it blew up theaters or not. I honestly had no intention of watching it till I decided I wanted to give Dark Knight a chance. I'm not the biggest Batman fan.
I generally see it praised and I found it quite enjoyable. MUCH more than I thought I would. But then again low expectations can help too I suppose :P
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Post by: Bea on August 11, 2015, 04:09:40 pm
Here Batman Begins was well accepted and have very nice attendance numbers. While here The Dark Knight blew the numbers away mostly due to the media attention to Ledger's death.
I tend to consider Batman Begins the best of the three. The Dark Knight is a good film, but most of it doesn't work for me. Lucius Fox and Alfred quipping and ramblings where the best part of it, imo. The Dark Knight Raises was a very weird film. I like not Bane a lot, but everything else was weird and there was too little Alfred quipping and bickering. Batman himself felt like a secondary character there too.
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Post by: Gennos on August 11, 2015, 04:56:46 pm
i don't know how you people can hate TDKR, it's a very good movie.
Spoiler: don't open this if you didn't watch it(click to see content)
there was alot of dialog and hammering of the movie's theme. it didn't annoy me, but i could understand why it would to others. the ending though was not good imo. especially the bit where Bruce Wayne ran away from being Batman.
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Post by: walt on August 11, 2015, 05:05:04 pm
I put together some numbers: Batman Begins is the 2nd top User Rated movie in Metacritic. People like that movie.
(http://i.imgur.com/EUzVhzj.png) Sources: Metacritic, Box Office Mojo. $ is USD Millions
Also, sad fact, RISES made more $ than DARK KNIGHT. Ranked 4th Worldwide just after Avengers / Avengers 2/ Ironman 3
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Post by: Byakko on August 11, 2015, 05:11:48 pm
No one said people didn't like Begins. I'm talking long run, it made numbers but it came and went, it didn't stay around as a highly successful movie like Dark Knight or Avengers did. Iron Man made less, but it stayed around - because Marvel started the whole MCU on it. Begins didn't keep that momentum, Dark Knight relaunched it. Hell, I don't even think the campaign over here made any use of it to advertise Dark Knight.
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Post by: walt on August 11, 2015, 05:53:48 pm
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Post by: Iced on August 11, 2015, 06:05:43 pm
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No one said people didn't like Begins. I'm talking long run, it made numbers but it came and went
I disagree, I would say that the whole new dc model is based off the nolan movies, they were such massive successes that they made man of steel in their image.
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Post by: Byakko on August 11, 2015, 07:01:23 pm
... Yeah ? So ? I'm not saying people didn't watch or like it. I'm saying it didn't stick, it was a summer hit and then it left. Like I said, it was more of a "oh, a nice Batman movie, cool" and then that's all. I'm comparing that to Iron Man which kickstarted the MCU. I specifically explained the "attention" I was talking about like three times already.
No one said people didn't like Begins. I'm talking long run, it made numbers but it came and went
I disagree, I would say that the whole new dc model is based off the nolan movies, they were such massive successes that they made man of steel in their image.
They're based off the Dark Knight, sure :P Dark Knight is the one that kickstarted the whole "superhero movie during the summer period" thing, too (right after the 2007 heat wave, in fact !) But not Begins, at least not over here. I don't know how much it was talked about in the US, but here, it was forgotten by the time Dark Knight came out.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 12, 2015, 01:26:31 am
Any news on how the Wonder Woman fandom are taking it?
I have a feeling they'll destroy it like they did with Jerry Bruckheimer's pilot back in 2011.
Well, that pilot was fucking terrible. I'm glad the lead, Adrianne Palicki, has a better role on Agents of SHIELD as Mockingbird.
I'm not really sure if there's a general consensus on the film from such a vast group as the Wonder Woman fandom, but I haven't really seen much positivity in general for the DC movies, Wonder Woman included.
To be fair to Man of Steel there are a lot of people that actually liked it. I think the divide is from ppl that care more about how the character is represented. If he wasn't SuperMan the movie probably wouldn't be lambasted here nearly as much.
I mean, it couldn't have hurt the movie, but there would still be a ton of moments with weird cognitive dissonance and unbearable Christ imagery and poor character work. Even if the movie was like, Mr. Majestic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Majestic) the movie, but was otherwise identical, then all that stuff would still be there, and it would still be a pretty crummy movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2015, 06:45:26 am
George Miller is rumored to be directing Man of Steel 2 (http://www.avclub.com/article/its-rumor-time-george-miller-might-direct-man-stee-224237) I feel a strong, complicated mix of hope and fear D:
anyways, I'm not that sure about how legit this rumor is, it comes from the guy behind the recently released Death of Superman Lives (which is a documentary about the failed Tim Burton-directed, Nic Cage-starring Superman Lives movie), so it's not exactly coming from out of nowhere (he's been in contact with a bunch of movie producers, many of whom are still involved in Warner Bros/DC movies), but it's also somewhat questionable, because it was mentioned off hand by a guy who's not really involved in Warner's movies?
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Post by: Bea on August 23, 2015, 06:47:40 am
If we're getting Miler, then I want him to reboot Supermn yet again. He is too good for this man of mas murder thing.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2015, 04:21:40 am
An update on that George Miller rumor: apparently he is in fact being sought for another DC movie, because Man of Steel 2 is on permanent hold (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/superman/248664/man-of-steel-2-said-to-be-on-permanent-hold), because, as we all know, it is absolute folly to try and develop other franchises and characters when you can just 3 more Batman movies.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 26, 2015, 04:29:33 am
Flash doesn't have a director yet, right?
I'm just saying.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2015, 04:31:15 am
Phil Lord and Chris Miller are writing the script, and were rumored to also direct (but nothing official has come about the latter).
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 26, 2015, 04:36:44 am
Aren't they doing that Spider-Man cartoon for Sony?
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2015, 04:38:53 am
They're doing a whole buncha stuff! I don't know how they're gonna handle it all!!!
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Post by: DatKofGuy on August 31, 2015, 07:10:54 pm
Following on from the Spidey Deadpool trailer, heres the Man of Steel version, actually this movie wouldve been fun to watch
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 09, 2015, 07:57:36 am
I don't really get those "Deadpool style" trailer videos. It's not like that trailer was super unique; it's fun and I enjoyed it, but it's not breaking any molds. :-\ Rumor time! Heroic Hollywood is reporting that Warner Brothers executives, who were so impressed by Ben Affleck as Batman, are now lobbying Zack Snyder to increase his role in Batman V Superman: V Kramer (http://screencrush.com/batman-vs-superman-more-batman/), to a degree that would require slimming down the size of Superman's role in the sequel to his own fucking movie.
>.>
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Post by: Byakko on September 09, 2015, 10:29:50 am
The trailer thing isn't about a unique style, it's just editing bits of the movie so it actually looks cool and in the same tone as Deadpool.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2015, 11:14:15 pm
It's trash talk Thursday!
First, we have Jesse Eisenberg's thoughts about how dark and serious and mature Batman V Superman, implicitly compared to a certain other company's films.
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It was written by this guy, Chris Terrio — this is like his first movie after Argo. He’s just this brilliant writer of characters. So this movie is, you know, it’s not like a kind of cartoonish superhero movie. It’s this very serious and well acted, well written, well directed movie. It’s really phenomenal.
And then, visionary director Zack Snyder had some thoughts about those lame cartoony movies from Marvel:
Zack Snyder said:
I look at [Batman vs. Superman] as more being mythological than, say, bubblegum. And I think that that’s appropriate for Batman and Superman because they’re the most mythological of our superheroes […] But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man—not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blankman)?
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Post by: Titiln on September 10, 2015, 11:40:04 pm
zack snyder made a shitty superman movie while antman (WHO THE FUCK IS ANTMAN) was good and profitable. you directed the biggest superhero in history and bombed on reviews. quit embarassing yourself zack
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Post by: Bea on September 10, 2015, 11:43:39 pm
... Why DC? WHY? Why did you have to give helm of your cinematic universe to such stupid director that doesn't understand super heroes? :/
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Post by: lui on September 11, 2015, 04:30:28 am
because MOTHAFUCKIN MOOLA BAYBEEEEE
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Niitris on September 11, 2015, 07:52:28 am
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It was written by this guy, Chris Terrio — this is like his first movie after Argo. He’s just this brilliant writer of characters. So this movie is, you know, it’s not like a kind of cartoonish superhero movie. It’s this very serious and well acted, well written, well directed movie.
Yeah because cartoonish = average, and is incapable of being well directed or yielding a script worth talking about. Grow up and watch a serious, mature movie y'all.
Oh yeah obviously don't have high hopes for this, never mind only vaguely knowing of Snyder's reputation.
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Post by: Titiln on September 11, 2015, 08:06:05 am
That's sadly what all the Marvel movies have become as well.. The movie's portrayal of Marvel has become it's own story/universe. And with what they've done (CHANGED!) to the super heroes and villains they portray (EVERYTHING!) I personally avoid watching them now.
/End Rant (sorry...)
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 13, 2015, 06:04:11 pm
That's sadly what all the Marvel movies have become as well.. The movie's portrayal of Marvel has become it's own story/universe. And with what they've done (CHANGED!) to the super heroes and villains they portray (EVERYTHING!) I personally avoid watching them now.
/End Rant (sorry...)
well, yes that's true, marvel has gone off and changed a lot of stuff from the comics, but theyre doing it in a way that makes sense in a universe they've built up for a long time now, they want to have ties between all the movies to make it feel more connected, hence some origin changes (like ultron being made by tony instead of hank, who wasn't introduced at the time)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Titiln on September 14, 2015, 05:50:38 am
if they want to make the dc movies profitable why would they assign a director with a bad track record. your moolah comment doesn't make sense
Unfortunately as far as money is concerned Snyder's track record is quite good. Every movie he's made has turned a profit and, with the exception of Watchmen and Sucker Punch, has doubled or tripled it's budget which as we all know is the only measure of success a studio listens to. He hasn't cracked a billion like Michael Bay has so he's not quite untouchable though.
Not yet, anyway.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2015, 06:28:26 am
I mean, sure, Zack Snyder had two huge hits with Dawn of the Dead and 300, right in a row, but every movie since then has either been a flop or a disappointment, save Man of Steel. Watchmen made only slightly more than its production budget, and movies don't turn a profit unless they make at least twice the listed budget (because the total cost is around twice the size of the official, publicly listed budget); for one of DC/Warner's biggest, most valuable IP's, that was a pretty painful sting. Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoooooooooooole (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5u9IGVSs5E) flopped hard. Sucker Punch came close but didn't do well enough to match its budget. Even Man of Steel, a movie starring the most famous superhero in the entire world, turned out to be a minor disappointment: though it did turn a profit, it was much smaller than Warner had hoped.
I look at [Batman vs. Superman] as more being mythological than, say, bubblegum. And I think that that’s appropriate for Batman and Superman because they’re the most mythological of our superheroes […] But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man—not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blankman)?
The great actor, Sebastian Stan (who plays Bucky in the Captain America movies), fired back today (http://collider.com/captain-america-3-sebastian-stan-zack-snyder-comments/), and it's great
Sebastian Stan said:
Yeah, I’m sitting here and I’m listening to you and I’m thinking, “Do I want to fire some shots at DC right now, at Zack Snyder?” I read some of those comments where he said something about Batman and Superman, I can’t remember where I read that, somewhere… Something about, “It’s not going to be your flavor-of-the-week Ant-Man.” And I was like, “Oh thanks, Zack. That’s great. Way to do something original.” But I would say we’re still making something very original in our own way. I mean, the Russos are coming in and taking something people are used to and they’re shaping it up and changing it in a very different way. They’re not trying to mimic a better Christopher Nolan movie or something like that.”
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DC Entertainment president Diane Nelson recently explained DC's policy of separating their various TV and movie properties from one another (http://screencrush.com/dc-movie-tv-crossover-universe/), saying that forcing them all into one universe would "handcuff" creators. Which is a totally valid point, and it's something Marvel has definitely struggled with, like with Agents of SHIELD.
... buuuuuuuuut DC isn't exactly leaving their creators totally "uncuffed", as it were. They still have a number of restrictions and limitations on characters, even though they're nominally independent. For example: Arrow had to kill off its version of Deadshot and won't have its version of the Suicide Squad appear anymore, because there's gonna be a Squad movie starring Will Smith as Deadshot. That kinda feels like the worst of both worlds: none of the advantages of a shared universe, but all of the limitations. :-\
also apparently DC wants to do a Booster Gold and Blue Beetle movie??? (http://screencrush.com/dc-movie-tv-crossover-universe/) That's really exciting (they're the absolute best buddy duo in comics, seriously), but that just seems... too fun and happy for DC? And also, the original place this rumor came from seems dubiously trustworthy, maybe (although its since been picked up and reported on by a wide variety of more respected publications).
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Post by: Thedge on September 19, 2015, 05:01:01 am
Apply water...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Batman V Superman: new dark and edgy trailer for adults
Post by: Person Man on September 19, 2015, 05:10:01 am
In other news, in literally the only thing that this movie has done right, DC is finally crediting Bill Finger as the co-creator of Batman, starting with Edgyman v Grittyman and Gotham. (http://nerdist.com/batman-co-creator-bill-finger-dc-comics-credit-gotham-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/)
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 20, 2015, 04:50:44 am
It's about fucking time. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/dc-television-universe-discussion-thread-166752.msg2164124.html#msg2164124)
(seriously, fuck Bob Kane)
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Post by: Iced on October 06, 2015, 12:28:07 am
https://twitter.com/alexanderluthor
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Post by: Bea on October 06, 2015, 12:30:32 am
Oh gods, no. DC, stop and go home. You are drunk.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 06, 2015, 02:55:39 am
Wow, so their version of Luthor seriously is just "supervillain Mark Zuckerburg", like everyone was joking about when Eisenberg was cast. That's how much creativity they're working with. :-\ The Flash has a director: Seth Grahame-Smith. author of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/seth-grahame-smith-flash-director-829170)
...
which is just... inexplicable. And terrible. The guy has absolutely zero directorial experience outside of two episodes of a sitcom he created in 2011; this is his feature film debut, and big budget action movies like these are tough on even experienced directors. This is also the Flash we're talking about, a character whose very powerset requires a deft touch and a very strong grasp on coming up with and filming interesting and unique visuals. Superspeed is a tough thing to depict in live action because it can so easily devolve to a lot of boring looking scenes of someone running in place in front of a greenscreen.
There are so, so many absurdly talented directors out there in the world, who deserve chances like this movie would provide. To hand it over to a moderately successful author with no real experience directing is not only very worrisome (for the quality of the resulting film) but it's also super frustrating and depressing to pass over all those potential directors. :(
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Post by: Bea on October 06, 2015, 02:58:08 am
Warner clearly wanted someone they could bully around to have cast that guy as the director. All their DC cinematic universe is shaping to be terrible and cringe inducing. :(
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 06, 2015, 03:05:06 am
Well, there's a somewhat disturbing trend going on regarding these types of super mega budget films, done by all the studios: they hire a director who has only one or two small independent movies under their belt, and give them the keys to a megablockbuster. As the theory goes, the studios pick these inexperienced directors to better push them around and have more control on the movie (prompted by this age of cinematic universe we are currently in; everything is a giant franchise and must be tightly controlled to ensure future success); since the director isn't a big name, they won't be able to push back as strongly as a veteran would. Examples of this include Marc Webb (300 Days of Summer -> Amazing Spider-Man), Colin Trevorrow (Safety Not Guaranteed -> Jurassic World), Josh Trank (Chronicle -> Fantastic Four), Jon Watts (Cop Car -> the new MCU Spider-Man), the list goes on and on. On the one hand it's good to seek out new talent and try and encourage it, but movies usually turn out better when their director has strong control over it.
This announcement seems like more of the same of that, but also a lot worse. All the guys listed above had actually directed stuff before!
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Post by: Bea on October 06, 2015, 03:13:16 am
This DC. Of course they would find a way to outdo Marvel. Not in a good way, of course. :(
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Post by: Roman55 on October 06, 2015, 03:23:39 am
from Grahame-Smith wikipedia article cause I was curious said:
Smith polished the script for Fantastic Four
Ewwwwww
I guess WB is hoping the Something Wicked This Way Comes remake is gonna be good given that's gonna be his first movie movie (and for Disney no less).
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 06, 2015, 03:41:46 am
So Flash confirmed to be a throwaway movie then.
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Post by: Roman55 on October 07, 2015, 06:24:08 am
So he isn't playing Lex, but rather a composite of Lex and Alexander Luthor?
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 07, 2015, 07:03:13 am
I've seen quite a few sites make a story out of that, but I don't think there's anything really there. The character is clearly not Alexander Luthor in any way, shape, or form. The addition of Jr. appears to be a way of having the company Lex's father starts be called LexCorp from the start: the Wolfman/Byrne Luthor, who was the first to be a corrupt businessman, founded the company himself (and naturally named it after himself); in contrast, incarnations of Luthor that have his father founding the company (like Smallville) have the company start off as LuthorCorp, and when Lex Luthor takes over and revitalizes the company, he renames it. Judging from the bio, the filmmakers have opted to emulate the latter, but changing the first name of Luthor's father from Lionel to Lex, so that the company never changes names.
or maybe this is all a dumb and elaborate fake out and Bryan Cranston shows up as Luthor Sr. and murders Luthor Jr. at the end of the movie
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 27, 2015, 02:35:16 am
(http://i.imgur.com/kVMKoel.jpg) oh brother
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Post by: Thedge on October 27, 2015, 02:45:02 am
Hahahahaha, like, what the actual fuck? Who thought this was a good idea?
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 29, 2015, 12:38:38 am
So you know how actors sometimes get crazy with their method acting techniques, like that time Heath Ledger stayed in a hotel room fro a month straight to get into the mind of the Joker? Well.
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Previously, Suicide Squad star Will Smith says Jared Leto was so intense on set that the two of them never had one conversation outside of their characters. “Not a single word exchanged off-camera. He was all in on the Joker.” It wasn’t the only instance of Leto’s extreme behavior on set. He sent Margot Robbie (Harley Quinn) a dead rat. He sent bullets to Smith. He ordered the actor who plays his henchman to go out, find a rose bush and spray paint them all black.
this seriously feels like a child's attempt at being cool and edgy in doing the same thing (http://screencrush.com/joker-jared-leto-empire/)
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on November 05, 2015, 05:49:03 pm
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 24, 2015, 08:04:46 am
Rumor time: actresses are currently being eyed to play Black Canary in Justice League (http://www.latino-review.com/news/hot-rumor-alona-tal-abbey-lee-being-eyed-for-black-canary), with the potential spinoff and star in a Birds of Prey movie (teaming her with Barbara Gordon, who may or may not be in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Shitty Movie Titles, and possibly other female superheroes).
That sounds potentially very cool but... it's DC/WB. They will inevitably disappoint. :(
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 01, 2015, 03:18:27 am
Here's the teaser for the trailer that will premiere on Kimmel on Wednesday.
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Post by: Gennos on December 01, 2015, 03:23:14 am
so i know the concept of the movie is based on DKR but is the story of superman turning into a dictator with an army also based on a comic?
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 01, 2015, 03:29:10 am
I can't recall anything outside of Injustice: Gods Among Us and I guess the Justice Lords episode of the Justice League cartoon (but that's not really Superman-as-dictator, it's very much the entire League). Sure have been quite a few "what if Superman was evil" stories that are really starting to grate, though. It just feels like an inherently boring, misguided, and really played out take on Superman.
Spoiler: possible spoilers for BvS maybe???(click to see content)
but yeah, there's no way that stuff is anything more than a dream sequence. You can't really roll back Superman ruling over a post-apocalyptic looking Earth with trench coat Batman on the run. [/quote]
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 01, 2015, 03:37:32 am
Spoiler: Your spoiler theory is undoubtedly correct.(click to see content)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/speedpreacher/upload-5-154336_zpsxdnmjwna.jpg~original) Also it's great to see they guy who used to come up with all those names for the Kenner action figures is still employed.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 01, 2015, 03:41:04 am
That's one seriously great/terrible name, simultaneously.
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Post by: Roman55 on December 01, 2015, 05:01:22 am
Gotta love that dumb pantomime-mean look on Supes face.
"For this i went to acting school?" - Henry Cavill
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Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2015, 09:54:06 am
If this sequence is what you guys think it is, seriously why the fuck do they keep overplaying it in trailers if it's not actually be relevant / representative of the movie's actual content
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Post by: Iced on December 01, 2015, 11:01:34 am
Personally I find it likely the army superman thing is going to be a thing outside of dream sequences. It will be something like his military force work for the government in order to make up for the destruction he commited in man of steel.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
But the apocalyptic stuff is going to be Batman knightmare about what that will lead to. Having a super being in the government control sounds like a nightmare for him.
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Post by: Bea on December 01, 2015, 11:48:00 am
This keeps getting worse and worse. Gods.
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Post by: MAO11 on December 01, 2015, 01:08:32 pm
didn't superman had military back-up in the comics? they even tried to hunted down one armed green hawkeye.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 01, 2015, 03:37:13 pm
Superman was a total government stooge in TDKR, but to do so in this movie would make Man of Steel's drone smashing sequence pointless. Snyder likes to do soulless adaptions of books, but he couldn't possibly want to contradict his own previous work.
I mean, in theory.
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Post by: Iced on December 01, 2015, 04:14:14 pm
People mocked his superman for smashing the drone, maybe he will portray superman feeling bad and being accused of being a man of murde,r so he turns over to the government and acts as their stooge to clean his state before the law.
It would be Snyder response ot the man of murder thing, the people that hated man of steel would have created a world where superman could be something worse than a murderer. He would be a governamental stooge in order to clean his murderous state!
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Post by: Mechy on December 01, 2015, 11:01:40 pm
The adrenaline wore off and Supe's was like "Oh I kinda fucked everything didn't I? I feel kinda bad."
Or maybe it's Zack is taking the Miller route by reflecting the opinions of his critics onto characters and making those character total fools. After all, a visionary who made fucking Sucker Punch could not possibly be criticized by anyone but total morons.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 02, 2015, 05:03:03 am
so i know the concept of the movie is based on DKR but is the story of superman turning into a dictator with an army also based on a comic?
I just remembered another one, Red Son! Superman's an evil dictator in that too, complete with Batman as an underground resistance fighter. That version of Batman even has a trenchcoat like this one!!!
If this sequence is what you guys think it is, seriously why the fuck do they keep overplaying it in trailers if it's not actually be relevant / representative of the movie's actual content
I think it's because it's odd looking and raises a whole bunch of questions, and It's generating a whole bunch of discussion about it, so I guess they reached their goal.
Personally I find it likely the army superman thing is going to be a thing outside of dream sequences. It will be something like his military force work for the government in order to make up for the destruction he commited in man of steel.
I dunno; none of the plot synopses, rumors, or set photos really bear that out. Kinda the opposite, really: there's a major plot about Holly Hunter's character being a senator holding hearings against Superman, with Lex Luthor involved somehow. That would seem to conflict with the idea that Superman being entrusted with his own special taskforce.
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Post by: Foobs on December 02, 2015, 05:39:30 am
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I just remembered another one, Red Son!
My favorite part of that comic is when Lex Luthor fights Superman's evil communism with his own economical/political ideology where the state, guided by an unquestionable Big Brother-like figure, controls the economy and all the means of production.
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Post by: Gennos on December 02, 2015, 02:44:19 pm
oh yeah red son, i watched that motion comic. he wasn't exactly evil himself though. iirc his people did nasty shit behind his back.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 03, 2015, 06:20:26 am
And here is the trailer.
I'm going to make the bold prediction that I am going to hate Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on December 03, 2015, 07:44:10 am
There are parts of that trailer that are actually really awesome. "She with you?" (even if it is random and feels out of place even in this trailer). I also like the idea of Lex engineering a clone (presumably) of Zed to kill superman with. (The whole Doomsday is a kryptonian clone isn't new... it was done well in JLU.....)
And then there's the majority of it that I really don't like.
Which is pretty much everything else.
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Post by: lui on December 03, 2015, 07:45:44 am
okay so the trailer itself was pretty nice and straightforward, jesse eisenberg as lex luthor just still doesnt feel right, i want kevin spacey back :(
but my biggest issue is DID THEY SERIOUSLY JUST SPOIL ALMOST ALL OF THE IMPORTANT SHIT IN THE MOVIE?
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Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on December 03, 2015, 08:35:04 am
we never known... I think there's already more things in this.... wasn't Aquaman confirmed too?
also, Lex Luthor afaik had hair and got bald later because he got cancer from kriptonyte, that's why he also made the suit he uses later, and it was supposed to be younger than both heroes, but in most of the films, comics and even cartoons I always tought he was older D:
it looks cool, this is the second trailer I like from this movie, first one I did like was the first leaked footage from comic con
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Post by: Thagr8test on December 03, 2015, 09:32:37 am
this movie looks like a big budget fan film, I'll see it but I know going in it won't be very good and doomsday should have been saved for the superman sequel but they have to compete with marvel so oh well smh this should be amazing but it all feels wrong
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Post by: Bea on December 03, 2015, 09:40:19 am
This looks like trash.
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Post by: Gennos on December 03, 2015, 10:37:18 am
lol they had batman rough his voice up like in the nolan movies. also, did they hint at doomsday being a resurrected Zod?
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Post by: Mechy on December 03, 2015, 10:42:28 am
Does not look good at all.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 03, 2015, 10:44:04 am
Then you're right up in their target audience. You know the names, you know some stuff they can do, you're gonna watch them punch the shit out of each other. You're fine.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 03, 2015, 11:56:14 am
Yup ^^ Guess so.
In my youth I read some of the older Justice League comics, loved the Batman Animated cartoons and almost all the Batman movies ( 4 sucked)
I expect some drama, some great brawls and special effects and good villains from Batman vs Superman without caring about if they were faithful to the comics.
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Post by: Person Man on December 03, 2015, 01:39:52 pm
Oh, fucking great. Another entire city full of innocent civilians wantonly obliterated during a superhero fight. We wouldn't want to have another Superman movie without massive amounts of avoidable casualties, would we?
Also Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor as some smarmy trust-fund millennial is absolutely atrocious.
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Post by: Mechy on December 03, 2015, 02:12:32 pm
It's pretty weird that the Darren Cross/YellowJacket/Egghead amalgamation that was the villain of Ant-man comes off as more like Lex Luthor then this version of Lex Luthor does.
And Looks the part too.
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Post by: Bea on December 03, 2015, 02:37:06 pm
Oh, fucking great. Another entire city full of innocent civilians wantonly obliterated during a superhero fight. We wouldn't want to have another Superman movie without massive amounts of avoidable casualties, would we?
Also Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor as some smarmy trust-fund millennial is absolutely atrocious.
Try to see the bright side of this. This time Man of Mass Murder will kill less innocent civilians and cause less property damage than the big bad guy in the film. Improvement over Man of Steel!!!
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Post by: DatKofGuy on December 03, 2015, 04:03:51 pm
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/dan-slott-still-it-24hrs-bashing-batman-vs-superman lol. dat Slott guy
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 03, 2015, 04:51:29 pm
Slott is absolutely right
He can also go fuck himself
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 03, 2015, 11:32:55 pm
Wow, jeez, that looks rough as fuck. Just a really ugly looking film, colors desaturated to hell, poorly lit (I didn't realize Batman was carrying a gigantic rifle in that last shot of the Trinity ready for battle because it was so absurdly dark; also, why the fuck is Batman carrying a giant fucking rifle?). It just looks like a completely miserable slog. :-\
I'm going to make the bold prediction that I am going to hate Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor.
Yeah it's pretty weird; I don't hate it, but it's a bit too manic and hyper for me. I guess I'm more relieved that they didn't do what I feared and just had Eisenberg play Lex like he did Mark Zuckerberg?
also, Lex Luthor afaik had hair and got bald later because he got cancer from kriptonyte, that's why he also made the suit he uses later, and it was supposed to be younger than both heroes, but in most of the films, comics and even cartoons I always tought he was older D:
Following DC's semi-reboot in 1986, yeah. He was definitely older than Superman et. al., and still had some hair. The previous version, from the Silver Age, was friends with Superman when they were both teenagers, and lost his hair in his youth (and blamed it on Superman, beginning his vendetta). But the weird thing is Silver Age Luthor always looked somewhat older than Superman even though they were supposed to be around the same age?
Anyways, I guess they're supposed to be around the same age here (although Eisenberg is pretty baby-faced), and I think that hair might just be a wig since there was a promo photo of Luthor with a bald head that came out months ago.
- I like the references, mainly the Joker reference. I think that is the only thing i like in this trailer. - It's just me or Doomsday really looks like a Michael Bay's TMNT??
The criminal they showed as an example of Batman's vigilantism has had Batman's insignia branded onto him. As in, burned on with a hot iron. So not only are we dealing with a mass-murdering Superman, but their interpretation of Batman is a man who goes out of his way to torture people he's already beaten to send a message about how scary he is.
G. Fucking. G.
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Post by: Long John Killer on December 04, 2015, 01:40:46 am
Surprise twist, Batman carries bat-shaped washable tattoos in his utility belt to brand bad guys.
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Post by: Boryema on December 04, 2015, 01:45:32 am
not sure if doomsday or abomination from incredible hulk
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Post by: Gennos on December 04, 2015, 03:09:57 am
im not an expert on batman, but would bruce wayne start white knighting batman whenever he comes up in conversations? i don't think he would. not only that, but i also don't he would shit talk superman either. at best he would make some snarky joke at both of them and leave. he wouldn't start a dick measuring contest at who is the best superhero.
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Post by: Thagr8test on December 04, 2015, 03:29:01 am
The positives are the effects outside of doomsday look excellent love the way armored batman looks and I don't have a problem with his voice bale's batman voice is insufferable imo so almost anything beats that outside of that I feel that dc's desperation to compete with marvel has them grasping at straws out of desperation when the simple appeal of batman and superman sharing a movie should be enough to beat almost any movie alone
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Post by: Iced on December 04, 2015, 03:42:19 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dHA7ibl.jpg)
Its weird that the nightmare scene has parademons on it, how is batman predicting darkseid before he even knows about him.
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Post by: Thagr8test on December 04, 2015, 07:45:03 am
Because thanos is coming so darkseid has to take the shortcut
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Post by: rhiggatwat on December 04, 2015, 08:09:19 am
Its weird that the nightmare scene has parademons on it, how is batman predicting darkseid before he even knows about him.
We don't know that it is Batman/Bruce Wayne having the dream/vision. Maybe it is someone related to Wonder Woman? Maybe someone on Themyscira has a vision of some sort of possible future, pushing Wonder Woman to get involved? I mean, I know she's supposed to be looking for some sword or something, but there could be more to it. I dunno, just a possibility, I admit it does seem like it's Bruce dreaming.
I'm really hoping this movie does not let us down, especially since the entire future of the DCEU is dependent on this film. There were a few things I really didn't like about this trailer, #1 without a doubt being Lex Luthor, for all of the reasons previously stated in this thread. That whole Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent meeting seemed off to me, though I did love the Joker reference. The CG on Doomsday is probably not 100%, he should look a bit better in the final film. I don't know, I'm just really hoping for the best. I want this movie to be good.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 04, 2015, 09:35:33 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVVtwvSU4AApwDX.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVVtwxhU8AA_KTO.jpg) this is everything I ever wanted out of life and more (https://twitter.com/DrPuppykicker/status/672564405322649600)
Yep, mainly in the final part. And this Wonder Woman short (REALLY short) apparition? Jeez, she deserves more than that.
She's the most popular and important female superhero in comics, and she deserves way better than to make her first appearance on film as an tertiary character with barely any screen time, shoved in an already overstuffed clusterfuck-looking mess of a movie.
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Post by: Bea on December 04, 2015, 10:10:35 pm
Yep, mainly in the final part. And this Wonder Woman short (REALLY short) apparition? Jeez, she deserves more than that.
She's the most popular and important female superhero in comics, and she deserves way better than to make her first appearance on film as an tertiary character with barely any screen time, shoved in an already overstuffed clusterfuck-looking mess of a movie.
And even worse, she is being played by Gal Gadot.
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Post by: lui on December 09, 2015, 06:28:00 am
Flash is confirmed to make a cameo as well, AS IF THIS MOVIE WASNT FILLED WITH ENOUGH CAMEOS AMIRITE
the interview also discusses the "nightmare" sequence Batfleck has, and it sounds stupid
Quote
I’m really looking forward to taking the amazing, iconic costume for The Flash and interpreting it in a fresh way
That doesnt sound good
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Post by: QuickFist on December 11, 2015, 12:01:14 am
And of course they won't use Grant Gustin, 'cause that would be good, and they can't afford doing something right
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Post by: Byakko on December 11, 2015, 12:16:55 am
They said multiple times that the TV and movie universes would remain separate. And I sure hope it stays that way.
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Post by: QuickFist on December 12, 2015, 02:39:45 pm
Oh ok, didn't know that
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Post by: Roman55 on December 14, 2015, 12:57:42 am
So I was browing twitter and I came across this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWI9JfLUwAEGdgj.png)
Looking it up I found out he also had this to say (http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/batman-vs-supermans-patrick-tatopoulos-offers-doomsday-details)
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When the film is called Batman v or versus Superman, it really has a lot of levels to the meaning. Superman isn't just killed off at the end of something. We see how he evolves as part of Lex's plan to protect the world. Seeing the Superman we know, be gone, and then replaced with this reproduction is really going to make fans think of how we look at these super beings. It was especially interesting to figure out, how would you create Superman from Zod... then how would that involve into Doomsday.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 14, 2015, 01:19:02 am
whaaaaat >:\
also that image reminds me, DC is calling their film universe the "DC Extended Universe", which is dumb, vague, and confusing. Should I bother changing the thread title to reflect this?
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Post by: Byakko on December 14, 2015, 01:19:12 am
... So... superweapons, then ? ... This is the direction he's taking the "superheroes are like gods, causing natural disasters and not caring about the people caught in it" line from Man of Steel, isn't it. Harnessing the power of a higher nature and turning it into a weapon.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 20, 2015, 09:13:51 am
Ben Affleck said:
I don’t think this film has any sort of lesson, but it’s more than just entertainment, it’s also trying to show that there are real consequences to violence. When a building collapses, people die, and those are lives lost forever. This film also shows that fear is the enemy of us all. Fear brings out the worst in us. When we fear powerful people because we think they might destroy us, we tend to use that to justify any decision we might be tempted to make. There are some parallels with preemptive strikes, and things like that. It allows us to analyze how we think about what we do, when facing a threat. That’s very relevant to what’s going on in the world right now. The film tackles pertinent themes.
whenever people working on this movie give interviews I almost always think the quote I'm reading is actually a parody, but no, this is in fact real. (http://screencrush.com/batman-v-superman-affleck-cavill-interview/) :-\
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Post by: -Whiplash- on December 20, 2015, 09:41:18 am
So, the "DCEU" is trying to be like marvel comics where everyone irrationally hates their superheroes?
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 19, 2016, 10:03:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZGYzj_VIAEsCzl.jpg:large) there's gonna be a special tonight on the CW hyping up BVSDOJBBQ. Do be warned that it contains lethal levels of Kevin Smith, though.
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Post by: lui on January 19, 2016, 10:13:20 pm
Shit i was just about to post this!
Looks like they ripped Flash's design straight out of Injustice, which is just fine, I liked how he looked! (Btw it's Barry Allen right? I was hoping it would be Wally West ;A;)
Not too keen on the Cyborg and Aquaman look, they looks decent atleast
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 19, 2016, 10:26:18 pm
Wally... West? Who? Barry Allen is the only Flash. Now and forever. Until the end of time.
:(
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 19, 2016, 11:08:13 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs[/youtube] I'm cautiously optimistic?!?! For a DC movie?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Captain Boomerang!!!!! Hype!!!!?
Shame they never mention him in the trailer by name .. I assume (maybe incorrectly) that he's a main character considering his status as a staple on every version of the squad.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 20, 2016, 08:33:50 am
Meanwhile, over at that other big DC movie: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIZLi8UEAAPudt.png) wow this costume looks like complete fucking garbage. Terrible looking armor, no lightning bolt ear things, a weirdly redesigned logo, and those dumb looking fingerless gloves. Jeez louise, I wasn't a fan of the TV show outfit at first (it's grown on me a lot since it was first introduced, and the fixed logo on the second season's version of the outfit helped immensely) :-\
also, the Wonder Woman stuff looked and sounded pretty promising? Maybe?
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Post by: Aldo on January 20, 2016, 08:45:11 am
Yo, that Suicide Squad trailer looked damn hot.
Maybe there is hope for DC movies after all, damn. Looking forward to that shit.
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Post by: lui on January 20, 2016, 09:00:28 am
I hope Flash's design gets redesigned, it looks like its still in the concept phase atleast
Ezra Miller just doesn't feel like Barry for me, he looks more like a Wally West :/
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Post by: Bea on January 20, 2016, 09:41:11 am
... OK, Suicide Squad might be actually good. I am... surprised. That trailer surely picked my interest on it.
Edit: Just saw the Wonder Woman stuff here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuOvq2bD8hM Despite having serious reservations about Gal Gaddot, this looks like it could work. Changing the setting of the origin film from World War II to World War I was a pretty interesting idea and has me curious.
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Post by: Gennos on January 20, 2016, 10:09:41 am
cool trailer. harley quin may actually turn out to be funny here, and joker seems to have a major role in the movie. but they're not gonna make him the villain right? please don't make him the villain.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 20, 2016, 06:02:04 pm
for those that didnt see it
and also.. thought this was pretty funny
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 20, 2016, 06:38:56 pm
Really not a fan of wonder woman also just a question but does she really need a shield and a sword?
Does Batman really need a car
The sword and shield are typically what she uses to fight gods and monsters but there's been an overreliance on it lately because ladies with swords are cool
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Post by: Gennos on January 20, 2016, 08:32:40 pm
i thought her weapon was a whip.
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Post by: Mechy on January 20, 2016, 08:37:33 pm
A lasso actually.
She's been mostly using the sword and shield in recent years in an attempt to make her "cooler".
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Post by: walt on January 20, 2016, 09:05:08 pm
I thought it was meant to differentiate her from Supes, since there are versions of her that also fly and are super strong.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 20, 2016, 10:08:15 pm
She's been able to do that since 1986
The sword and shield are used to bolster her portrayal over the last 5 or 10 years as a warrior woman because ladies with swords are cool
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on January 20, 2016, 11:07:07 pm
Not a big fan of Killercroc face but overall it looks really great alot better than BvS
Really A LOT better indeed.
About these first look videos: * So the Cinematic Flash will be really Barry Allen, but i ain't get this uniform design. * Wonder Woman, Cyborg and Aquaman looks even more interesting. * GREEN FUCKING LANTERN CORPS!!! :D :D * And BvS, same thought: MEH!
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 20, 2016, 11:31:02 pm
That tweet doesn't seem to be anything official; it looks like he's just gunning for the role? (http://comicbook.com/2016/01/19/danny-trejo-celebrates-dc-week-by-fan-casting-himself-as-lobo/)
And before that, she was able to glide on air currents to sorta basically fly, though she needed her Invisible Jet to go long distances.
But yeah, there's not much more in the DC movies that depresses me more than seeing Wonder Woman carrying around a sword and shield as her default equipment. It's almost an instant sign that the people behind these movies do not understand her as a character at all. She's a warrior for peace, embracing all the contradictions and complexities that lie within that description, who wields a non-leathal, binding weapon (her lasso). She ocassionally will take up more lethal arms against very grave threats, because unlike Batman or Superman, she was raised from birth as a warrior, and is willing to take extreme measures if needed.
But that's all as a last resort. Wonder Woman with a sword shouldn't be the dominant image at any point in time. But that's the Wonder Woman DC has chosen to present to the world. I wouldn't be surprised if we got the muderous rapist version of the Amazons, who sell their male children into slavery, the version that currently exists in the comics, either. :(
cool trailer. harley quin may actually turn out to be funny here, and joker seems to have a major role in the movie. but they're not gonna make him the villain right? please don't make him the villain.
He might not be the main villain, and it is possible they're making him seem like a bigger part of the movie than he actually is.
Spoiler: rumors + speculation = spoilers(click to see content)
The Enchantress (the "possessed by a witch" lady played by Cara Delevingne) appears to be the main villain, or at least the threat the Squad is sent in to stop. Most everyone had speculated that she'd be on the team (because she has in the comics, although generally she served in her sane/unpossessed June Moon persona) and even this trailer is edited in a way to make it seem like she's a member of the team. But she never appears in any footage with the other Squad members, and appears to be the cause of the devastation in the city the Squad is sent to (which also looks oddly vacant, like it's been evacuated). I think that the basic plot will be something along the lines of June Moon, ordinary young woman, finds a strange artifact that posesses her and turns her into the Enchantress. She unleashes her powers in a major metropolitan area and so the government sends in the Suicie Sqaud to either assassinate or capture her. And maybe she joins the team at the end if the second act or something. But I think the third and final act will be something different, potentially involving the Joker. There was also a rumor that Joel Kinnaman's character, Rick Flag Jr. (a soldier assigned as the Squad's field commander), will actually turn out to be evil and be involved with some scheme of his father, a general overseeing the Squad project; the Joker might get wrapped up in that plot thread somehow (perhaps he is a recruit Amanda Waller rejected but the Flags wanted, and breaks free because Flag Sr. tries to use him in his coup or whatever). It's also possible that all the footage of Joker in a suit are flashback sequences; there's definitely a scene depicting Harley Quinn's nu52 origin in the trailer, for one. And then he might briefly appear in a prison uniform in the present day or something. But I think it's most likely he's the big final bad guy.
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Post by: Gennos on January 20, 2016, 11:55:29 pm
i would be very disappointed if the joker turned out to be the main villain. not only because im skeptical of jared leto's preformance, it's also because i don't think anyone should take down the joker beside batman. he always seemed like a villain created specifically for batman, his antithesis. not only that, but he himself declared that he finds other people beside batman boring (he said this in the nolan DKR movie but i would like to believe the comic version thinks the same). i don't read the suicide squad comics, did he have a lot of major run ins with them?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 21, 2016, 12:15:41 am
That tweet doesn't seem to be anything official; it looks like he's just gunning for the role? (http://comicbook.com/2016/01/19/danny-trejo-celebrates-dc-week-by-fan-casting-himself-as-lobo/)]
It definitely worked
I went from not even considering it to being totally down with it
it's also because i don't think anyone should take down the joker beside batman.
This movie is going to focus a lot on Harley so not having her beat up the Joker would be denying the character growth necessary for her to be a large part of the movies
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2016, 04:47:09 am
i don't read the suicide squad comics, did he have a lot of major run ins with them?
Not really. I'm sure he's popped up a few times since 2011, when everything got rebooted and Harley was added to the team, but I don't think it's been in any significant capacity...
... unless one counts the time Harley tied up Deadshot, taped the Joker's severed face over his, and tried to make out with him. (http://i.imgur.com/GQKQDe4.jpg) boggles the mind that this shit got published
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Post by: Retro Respecter on January 21, 2016, 05:13:53 am
It also showed the depths of Harley Quinn's insanity.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on January 21, 2016, 05:19:44 am
That's a poor phrasing of those events....
She used deadshot with the joker face on him as a joker proxy, as at the time the joker had disappeared with no word and she was really upset he left her... Deadshot role-played as him so she wouldn't kill him and it worked... cause she's crazy and she started kissing him.
Honestly I thought the scene was alright.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2016, 05:28:58 am
I just can't take anything involving the severed Joker face seriously! And the way it got used in Suicide Squad was among the dumbest uses of it!
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Post by: -Whiplash- on January 21, 2016, 05:37:06 am
I would argue that it was the only decent use of it but yeah the whole severed joker face was dumb.
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Post by: Reck on January 21, 2016, 06:13:18 am
Just watched that new Suicide Squad trailer. I'm 1,000% more looking forward to SS rather than BvS Dawn of fuck this. I'm not really digging how Harley is being portrayed, but that's my only criticism of the trailer. Flagg is my favorite character from the original SS comics so I would've liked to see him a little more in the trailer. My thoughts on Leto's Joker are slowly changing as well. I think he's a great actor and he'll probably knock it out of the park, but I still think the re-design is stupid and unnecessary though. I wish Bronze Tiger was in the movie though he's fucking wicked in the comics and he's also one of the only members of the SS that isn't totally a bad guy.
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Post by: HQ on January 21, 2016, 08:54:52 am
Don't know if anyone mentioned it before, BUT
Suicide Squad is looking like a copy of Guardians of the Galaxy so far. The whole way it is branded, the music selection, the overall storyline so far, is very very close to what has been working for Marvel... Also I could have sworn this were outtakes of Tom Hardy in "Bronson" that were in the new trailer - turns out the replacement when Hardy dropped out- Jai Courtney does a good job imitating Hardy.
EDIT: Also I like Margot Robbie, but Clara Delevigne would have worked WAY WAY better for Harley Quinn.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2016, 09:16:48 am
In the comics, Suicide Squad has been around much, much longer than Guardians has; the storyline for this movie is pretty standard Suicide Squad fare; Guardians of course has that whole "lovable rogues who break out of prison" thing, but that's unique to the movie, which came out decades after the invention of the Suicide Squad. The major difference is that the Squad is populated by outright villains, none of whom have much in the way of hearts of gold. And of course there is the central gimmick of the team: the constant and frequent death of its team members, generally around one per mission (I would assume the body count will be raised a few amount for the movie, given the natural structural differences in pacing between films and comics). And Guardians of the Galaxy is hardly the first movie to prominently feature a classic rock song in its trailer. :-\
Just watched that new Suicide Squad trailer. I'm 1,000% more looking forward to SS rather than BvS Dawn of fuck this. I'm not really digging how Harley is being portrayed, but that's my only criticism of the trailer. Flagg is my favorite character from the original SS comics so I would've liked to see him a little more in the trailer. My thoughts on Leto's Joker are slowly changing as well. I think he's a great actor and he'll probably knock it out of the park, but I still think the re-design is stupid and unnecessary though. I wish Bronze Tiger was in the movie though he's fucking wicked in the comics and he's also one of the only members of the SS that isn't totally a bad guy.
I think they're subbing in Katana for Bronze Tiger as the non-supervillain, second-in-command member of the Suicide Squad. Hopefully Tiger will pop up in a sequel or something, he's great.
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Post by: Iced on January 22, 2016, 06:36:44 pm
Suicide Squad is looking like a copy of Guardians of the Galaxy so far. The whole way it is branded, the music selection, the overall storyline so far, is very very close to what has been working for Marvel... Also I could have sworn this were outtakes of Tom Hardy in "Bronson" that were in the new trailer - turns out the replacement when Hardy dropped out- Jai Courtney does a good job imitating Hardy.
EDIT: Also I like Margot Robbie, but Clara Delevigne would have worked WAY WAY better for Harley Quinn.
ahah i know right, the two trailers look like copies of one another down to the "guard narrates what which criminal can do to introduce them". A lot more people have pointed out how the trailer seemed to take massive inspiration by marvels success.
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Post by: walt on January 22, 2016, 06:57:19 pm
I wish that was a GIF simpler to repost, but it's worth looking at :P
I know these things use the absolute earliest costume for the comparisons, and that Deadshot first appeared in that tuxedo + top hat outfit, but that was literally only one time! It'd be so much more useful to use his classic outfit! (http://i.imgur.com/NAkqYBA.jpg)
I just wish DC would remember that colour is a thing that exist and pleases people, at least on that Suicide Squad and the Wondy films. :(
I dunno, there's a fair amount of color in the Suicide Squad trailer; not nearly enough, of course, but the stuff that was there definitely looked great. That shot of Joker and Harley in the vat of chemicals, the colors bleed from the Joker's clothes by the acid surrounding them in a swirl formed an especially striking image (even though it's for that terrible, shitty nu52 Harley origin). It's definitely a marked shift from Snyder's woeful visual palette, as well as the snippets of footage from Wonder Woman movie. I guess there's only so much color DC will allow, because it's not dark and realistic enough. Visonary director Zack Snyder has some thoughts about why the shitty climax to Man of Steel needed to turn out the way it did: (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Zack-Snyder-Still-Defends-Man-Steel-Epic-Destruction-107627.html)
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I stand by it, because for me, I’ve always said when I was working on Watchmen — and maybe it’s sort of left over from a Watchmen philosophical sort of thing — that there should be consequences to superheroes’ interaction with the earth. And that was kind of the way that we approached Man Of Steel. I wanted a big consequence to Superman’s arrival on earth. Certainly, Batman v. Superman sort of cashes in all its chips on the ‘why’ of that destruction.
euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. It's all a load of nonsense. The actual movie, as released, doesn't show that at all. All that ludicrously over-the-top death and destruction is visual eye candy, there to make the big fight between Superman and Zod more weighty and totes epic. A movie interested in exploring the "realistic" consequences of the appearance of Superman on human society wouldn't end by having him make out with Lois Lane in the center of a devastated Metropolis, full of the dead, dying, and wounded, nor would it have the citizens of Metropolis bask in the glow of the guy who wrecked their city while they nod and affirm that "he saved us." The only thing that is played as sorta bad in that whole sequence is Superman snapping Zod's neck, but even that's almost instantly dropped in the next scene.
So no, it's all pretty clear that this direction they're going with in BvS was not part of some grand story planned out over several movies. It's them trying to cover their ass after the very visceral negative reactions MoS caused.
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Post by: Gennos on January 23, 2016, 03:04:09 am
Also I could have sworn this were outtakes of Tom Hardy in "Bronson" that were in the new trailer - turns out the replacement when Hardy dropped out- Jai Courtney does a good job imitating Hardy.
Joel Kinnaman replaced Tom Hardy. Jai Courtney didn't replace anyone for his role.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 23, 2016, 09:27:38 am
well fuck, thats embarrassing, i also got watta mixed up with websta, shit was is it with me not getting websta right?
We are all Websta on the inside. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZk-whIXEAIhR1U.jpg) DARKSEID IS (being hinted at in Batman V Superman and probably going to be be the villain of the Justice League movie)
... and will probably not be portrayed well because even in the comics he's had a pretty bad track record in how he's been used by most creators, so it's not exactly super inspiring to think how visionary director Zack Snyder will adapt him.
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Post by: Bea on January 25, 2016, 11:39:01 pm
I have no interest in seeing how Zack Snyder will destroy Darkseid. :(
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 27, 2016, 03:38:21 pm
Let this sink in for a bit http://geektyrant.com/news/wonder-woman-is-a-5000-year-old-retired-superhero-in-batman-v-superman
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"Her sexuality is part of her power, but she is also a feminist icon. Gender has been a hot topic, so it is very timely to bring her back. The way we have approached it, especially in the stand alone movie, that is definitely there. Looking back and doing an origin story - and it is a period piece - see the role of women through history. There is a great source of humour in that now. It is so unbelievable you can't even fathom it. You are still making a statement, but having some fun with it."
Feminists are gonna love this.
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..when we catch up with Wonder Woman in the movie, she is over 5000 years old and that she's no longer a superhero...
I dunno.. urgh... this entire movie is just a mess.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on January 27, 2016, 03:39:36 pm
I never get how you readers of the comics might get so upset about this all. For me as a non-reader of them its great and I look forward to a Justice League movie.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 27, 2016, 03:48:25 pm
Theres a reason why you fall in love with a character in the comics, this movie seems to bastardize everything in the source material.
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Post by: Iced on January 27, 2016, 03:57:47 pm
I never get how you readers of the comics might get so upset about this all. For me as a non-reader of them its great and I look forward to a Justice League movie.
tomorrow a mortal kombat movie appears and the famed character subzero turns out to be a geriatric samoan woman in a wheelchair that uses the power of soap to freeze his enemies in place with foam. He works for the cia as a special agent that faces sthreats from other dimensions, the other dimension turns out to be canada and the invasion is an invasion from canadian special forces that only subzero and his talking dog jmorphman can stop.
The movie goes on to atract a whole new group that calls themselves the Subzero corps and claim you dont have to know the original game or anything in it to be true mortal kombat fans, while demanding more characters to be geriatric samoans.
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Post by: JustNoPoint on January 27, 2016, 04:01:46 pm
I don't read the comics and what they do in these movies in DC is still garbage to me.
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Post by: Bea on January 27, 2016, 04:02:09 pm
Batman v Superman will be a major bomb and a major mess, there is no way out of it. But I have curious interest in the Wonder Woman film. Setting it in World War I ought to prove to be a good move to make the film worth watching, despite Gal Gaddot.
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Post by: Gennos on January 27, 2016, 04:10:14 pm
Batman v Superman will be a major bomb and a major mess, there is no way out of it.
unlikely. the masses are gonna eat it up, even man of steel grossed more than double it's budget.
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Post by: Byakko on January 27, 2016, 04:15:26 pm
And all those sales were to GBK.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on January 27, 2016, 05:12:05 pm
^^ and that sister of my GF who totally loves the actor of Superman.
Some seconds after I wrote my comment here I already had to think about it and myself being angry about how they changed the story, character roles etc back in the old SF movie with Van Damme and Raul Julia (R.I.P) . I was 14 at that year, loved Street Fighter II and did not understand why they changed it so damn from the story when MK showed that a movie based on a video game can be entertaining while the characters, are similar to the game characters.
Guess its very similar for you the comic readers.
But is Superman vs Batman really so damn different from the comics that Iced brings up an example about Sub-Zero being " a geriatric samoan woman in a wheelchair " come on, :-)
I have to admit that I didnt read a comic now since around 15 years but Superman looks like Superman to me. The same with Batman and Wonder Woman looks at least similar to how I remember her from the Injustice game.
The movie there has a giant budget. A lot of million bucks spend to get millions of people into the cinemas worldwide or to buy or rent the movie at least later in digital or physical forms. It will be popcorn cinema without a bigger sense, most likely without any deeper thoughts that may be part of the comics. Maybe you guys should just accept its made for a different audience than the comics since the movie makers want to make big money with it. And thats just hard with a superhero movie that is not all about action and entertainment.
I guess thats why I thought that the Avengers in the Marvel Movies behave often like kids with super powers instead of series people that only use them when they absolutely have to.
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Post by: lui on January 27, 2016, 05:19:55 pm
Since your accostumed to how the modern looks of these characters (especially Wonder Woman) it's quite normal to see you optimistic about the potrayals of the characters in these movies, which means their marketing towards the casuals are working.
but like many have said, those who have read the comics are angry about how some characters arent honoring their source material and how the movie just sounds stupid in alot of cases (i mean cmon dude, look at the joker!)
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Post by: Iced on January 27, 2016, 05:21:20 pm
the characters in superman act like characters out of mortal kombat instead of like themselves.
The superman in Man of Steel is jesus christ mixed with optimus prime mixed with son goku who cries a lot and bleeds a lot and isnt really interested in saving people. So yeah the subzero example was pretty spot on. Those characters are campy and have layers about their own themes of hope that were all replaced by spikes, chains and death, its pretty jarring.
Injusitice didnt really have the characters act like themselves either, it already had this kind of weirdass characterization where everyone is edgy and talks like a teenager idea of cool.
Marvel movies so far have sinned for being too conservative in those superhero campy elements ( imo) but still deliver them in spades, setting the tone of the super hero stories while still having tension.
And superman could show up tomorrow with lex sitting in a throne of still bleeding screaming skulls and it would still be in tone with what those movies have done so far. Its all very based on a cheap kind of edgyness replacing anything cohesive. They remind me the Transformers movies a lot, where Optimus prime screams "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" as he rips off Megatron face with his axe.
Here, a better example. imagine a mortal kombat movie that was done with the cast of sex in the city and was a romcon about scorpion trying to find love. The characters would all look the same, but they would all be acting out a romcon instead. In the big climax of the movie scorpion decides hes done with ripping out hearts and instead he wants to heal relationships, turning into a marriage counselor.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on January 27, 2016, 06:29:41 pm
Strangely enough, I'd go see that MK movie
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Post by: Mechy on January 27, 2016, 07:05:28 pm
Hey, this is appropriate for the current convo of the thread.
http://screencrush.com/batman-vs-superman-killer/
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[Batman] is not giving people a chance. He is more than a vigilante. He has become not only the cop, if you will, he has also become the jury and executioner… “He’s older, [and] he’s seen the worst of what man can do. He’s been darkened by it, he’s tougher, he’s angrier, I guess… He’s still lost those that are near and dear to him, and not necessarily from old age or disease.
Batman's just gonna be taking people behind the sauna, so to say. Zack Snyder is really committed to fucking this movie up I suppose.
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Post by: Byakko on January 27, 2016, 07:12:18 pm
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he has also become the jury and executioner… he’s seen the worst of what man can do. He’s been darkened by it, he’s tougher, he’s angrier
So edgy
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Post by: Bea on January 27, 2016, 07:16:37 pm
So, we can pretty much write off any DC Film that Zack Snyder will be directing. Oh well. :( At least the others with different directors have a flimsy hope of being decent and fun.
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Post by: Iced on January 27, 2016, 07:20:02 pm
mature anime for mature individuals like myself.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 27, 2016, 07:27:27 pm
We already saw Goyer get pushed out after MoS underperformed
Hopefully if this shows similar levels of "success" they'll give Justice League to somebody else to direct
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2016, 09:05:34 am
[Batman] is not giving people a chance. He is more than a vigilante. He has become not only the cop, if you will, he has also become the jury and executioner…
Jesus, it's like they're compelled in every single interview to say something that sounds incredible dumb and betrays a lack of understanding of the source material and these characters.
but yeah, I dunno, Man of Steel is basically faithful to the source material, at least superficially. It is absolutely is a bad adaptation, but the basic elements of Superman are all there; It's only when it's examined closely that it starts to fall apart. And boy howdy, does it fall apart. But I think the movie fails for reasons beyond just being a shitty adaptation: it's a genuinely terrible movie. It features a frustrating, aimless protagonist who really makes a single independent decision on his own, in the entire movie; he needs to be told by whatever father figure is directly in front of him at the time (a mantle which includes his adoptive father, an AI replica of his biological father, and a spiritual father/priest) before committing to any act. The cast, despite being full of amazing actors and Henry Cavill who I guess is OK, turns in absolutely boring and uninteresting performances. The direction is both unremarkable and ponderously overbearing, only really coming alive in the final battle in Metropolis (but even then, it's filled with super out of place and self-important 9/11 imagery , because this is a serious and important movie), and the color palette is absolutely terrible. It's an overly long, overly dour, and pompous mess.
Batman v Superman will be a major bomb and a major mess, there is no way out of it.
unlikely. the masses are gonna eat it up, even man of steel grossed more than double it's budget.
The general rule of thumb for blockbusters is that they need to earn back at least twice its budget to turn a profit (because the advertising budget isn't included in the production budget, and those two budgets are usually around the same size); Man of Steel made slightly more than double, but it was a pretty big disappointment for Warner Brothers; they didn't lose money, but they didn't make enough money as they "should" have. The numbers are somewhat similar to Amazing Spider-Man 2, and while that also turned a profit, it was low enough that it sent Sony into a panic and made them sign a deal with Marvel to reboot the franchise again.
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Post by: Person Man on January 28, 2016, 10:34:03 pm
Jesus, it's like they're compelled in every single interview to say something that sounds incredible dumb and betrays a lack of understanding of the source material and these characters.
Well, they know what they're talking about here, at least. Sexuality is part of her power. And by that I mean her secret weakness is bondage.
Clearly, they're going for a more Golden Age approach with ol' WW.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2016, 10:54:24 pm
DC is too timid to try and translate a lot of the Golden Age Wonder Woman concepts, like the idea of Paradise Island being a literal utopia that is better than Man's World in every single aspect (although, Wonder Woman is supposed to be 5000 years old, which implies all the other Amazons are immortal too, so maybe we're not gonna get the shitty "the Amazons are actually rapist murder pirates" origin from the nu52?), or that Wonder Woman is here explicitly to eventually lead to a cultural revolution that brings the eternal peace and love the Amazons know to the whole world, or have Wonder Woman being able to often redeem her super-villains and turn them into her allies, or have the crazy sci-fi inventions of the Amazons like their purple healing ray, or feature the Kangas, the giant kangaroos the Amazons use instead of horses, some of whom CAN JUMP INTO SPACE (http://41.media.tumblr.com/27d058071c2340d555987478612859c6/tumblr_n5q8zbEd7D1qjzyxso3_1280.jpg) DC's been running away from most of those concepts since Wonder Woman's creator died, and this movie is gonna be no different. And that's a real shame. :-\
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 05, 2016, 07:28:36 am
Visonary director Zack Snyder has gotten so much hate for his beautiful, transcendent Superman movie in which Superman is very sad all the time and also is Jesus. (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/05/zack-snyder-if-youre-a-comic-book-fan-you-know-i-didnt-change-su/) But now he's pushing back.
Visonary director Zack Snyder said:
People are always like, ‘You changed Superman’. If you’re a comic book fan, you know that I didn’t change Superman. If you know the true canon, you know that I didn’t change Superman. If you’re a fan of the old movies, yeah I changed him a bit. That's the difference. I'm a bit of a comic book fan and I always default to the true canon. Not the cinematic canon that sort of, that in my opinion, plays fast and loose with the rules. And so, I feel like I tried to create a Superman that would set a tone for the world.
Finally Snyder exposes the truth, calling out those who despised his movie as fake nerds, who only know about Superman from the old movies, which were dumb and didn't even have a single scene in which Superman causes massive devastation and hundreds of deaths in a fight against one of his villains. Snyder knows he's making these movies for the real true fans, who can appreciate it when Superman broods all the time and is generally a miserable person.
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Post by: Bea on February 05, 2016, 09:42:41 am
... How come we ended with such terrible and blinded by his own ego director for the main DC films? HOW? T_T
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Post by: Iced on February 05, 2016, 11:24:45 am
Visonary director Zack Snyder has gotten so much hate for his beautiful, transcendent Superman movie in which Superman is very sad all the time and also is Jesus. (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/05/zack-snyder-if-youre-a-comic-book-fan-you-know-i-didnt-change-su/) But now he's pushing back.
Visonary director Zack Snyder said:
People are always like, ‘You changed Superman’. If you’re a comic book fan, you know that I didn’t change Superman. If you know the true canon, you know that I didn’t change Superman. If you’re a fan of the old movies, yeah I changed him a bit. That's the difference. I'm a bit of a comic book fan and I always default to the true canon. Not the cinematic canon that sort of, that in my opinion, plays fast and loose with the rules. And so, I feel like I tried to create a Superman that would set a tone for the world.
Finally Snyder exposes the truth, calling out those who despised his movie as fake nerds, who only know about Superman from the old movies, which were dumb and didn't even have a single scene in which Superman causes massive devastation and hundreds of deaths in a fight against one of his villains. Snyder knows he's making these movies for the real true fans, who can appreciate it when Superman broods all the time and is generally a miserable person.
So many flavours and you pick salty.
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Post by: Gennos on February 05, 2016, 11:43:47 am
sick burn. however, it still doesn't make snyder any less guilty of drastically changing superman. the fact that he believes that only fans of the old movies hated his movies, proves that he's a either extremely dumb or extremely arrogant. if anything, the people who sat through richard pryor and nuclear man and thought it was good would probably love the shit out of his movies.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 05, 2016, 01:36:39 pm
Prequel comic aint that bad http://geektyrant.com/news/read-dcs-promotional-prequel-comics-to-batman-vs-superman-right-here
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 05, 2016, 04:50:30 pm
I'm still salty! Seriously. Fuck Zack Snyder. The shit about "true canon" is dumb and insulting: Superman has existed for 75 years. There's several stories one can point to that resemble Man of Steel; the canon is vast and ever changing and expanding, there is no "true canon". People are allowed to make whatever version of Superman they want, you don't need to appeal to some nonexistent authority in order to prove that the people who dislike your movie are wrong.
And the thing about how, obviously, the people who disliked Man of Steel and called it antithetical to the character of Superman are just frauds who only watched the original movies (as if that's an inherently bad thing!), that's seriously fucked up.
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Post by: Reck on February 08, 2016, 12:21:18 pm
I personally didn't have a problem with Man of Steel, my only true gripe with it was the absence of any type of character development for Lois Lane, by the end of the movie I gave absolutely zero fucks whether she lived or died. Everyone got their panties in a bunch when Superman killed Zod at the end, but I guess people seem to forget that Superman killed Zod at the end of the Superman II back in 1980 aswell as in some comic versions. (Maybe even the original, but I never read that far back so I wouldn't know.)
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Post by: Bea on February 08, 2016, 12:48:54 pm
Killing Zod happens. It is all fine. Now... Levelling Metropolis, killing hundreds of thousands in the process, not bothering to try to save any of them and then making out with Lois Lane on the top of the smouldering debris of what once was Metropolis while hundreds of thousands are buried underneath it, many who could still very well be alive and could use some saving to make sure that their living status quo would remain... That is something I have a gripe with.
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Post by: Iced on February 08, 2016, 12:56:05 pm
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3yUnHlnFa2Q/UdJ4uW1TxiI/AAAAAAAAOLE/EgQoC3dLDuo/s620/man-of-steel-jenny-trapped-rubble.jpg) counterpoint, they clearly say: "He SAVED us!"
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Post by: Byakko on February 08, 2016, 01:17:34 pm
From himself, by stopping doing what he was doing before.
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Post by: Bea on February 08, 2016, 01:35:24 pm
The S on his chest means hope. Hope he doesn't visit your city next!
Edit: Heck, even in the very subpar and weird Superman Returns film, where his a creepy child stalker, he actually took effort to save a lot of people:
The fact that Man of Mass Murder killed Zod is definitely not the problem with Man of Steel. :|
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 09, 2016, 12:03:03 am
Yeah, the whole killing Zod thing isn't really a huge problem with the movie, because compared to everything else it's not a huge deal and too much gets made of that issue compared to all the others. It is however a symptom of the deep, deep problems the movies have.
The fact that Superman has killed Zod in the comics before doesn't make it any better in the movie, because it was dumb as hell and a bad story back then.
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Post by: Iced on February 09, 2016, 12:05:29 am
(http://i.imgur.com/xpVHnis.jpg)
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Post by: SlySuavity on February 09, 2016, 01:04:04 am
Bat Underboob if I ever saw it.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 11, 2016, 05:58:47 pm
Final Trailer... apparently
At least Batman is Batman in this trailer.
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Post by: lui on February 11, 2016, 06:05:31 pm
trailer still looks bad, that kind of music just doesn't even fit the tone at all. the marketing for this movie is just really weird :S
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Post by: Bea on February 11, 2016, 06:16:55 pm
The Batman action scene at the beginning of the trailer makes me look forward for future Batman films directed by Affleck.
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Post by: Thedge on February 11, 2016, 11:28:11 pm
That Batman action scene is better than anything Nolan did regarding action scenes.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 11, 2016, 11:48:07 pm
That trailer was just straight up for a Batman movie, not even one co-starring Superman. There was a rumor a few days ago that Warner Bros was panicking over the poor audience reception to the movie at the test screenings they're running, and that has contributed to their scattered approach to the trailers for this film. Ben Affleck's Batman is, however, something everyone seems to be keen on. So we might see DC reshuffling things around to rush out a solo Batman movie if BvS doesn't perform well enough.
and indeed, the Batman scene at the start of the trailer was pretty solid. The overall visual style of the movie is still an absolute mess, but it felt pretty Batman-y.
ALSO Jesse Eisenberg says he's playing a "more modern, psychologically realistic concept of Lex Luthor" (http://www.playboy.com/articles/jesse-eisenberg-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice) because everyone involved in the making of this movie is contractually obligated to use the words "modern" and "realistic" and also "grounded" and "gritty" whenever they describe it.
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Post by: Byakko on February 12, 2016, 12:29:47 am
And because obviously the comics version isn't modern or realistic.
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Post by: Bea on February 12, 2016, 12:34:54 am
The film will still be a massive bomb in terms of quality (I doubt it will be a box office bomb), sadly. But this trailer at least showed that maybe we can expect a quality Batman film in the future (even though this film is now mostly a Batman film, instead of a Superman one). It also gives hope that the Wondy film will be decent as well. But we can't expect anything decent regarding Superman for the future. :(
I just wish they would remember that colours are a thing that exist...
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Post by: walt on February 12, 2016, 12:38:19 am
"We spent 37% of the total film budget in de-saturating and chroma-correcting every scene that was shot by the crew, even scenes that ended up in the cutting room floor, to have cool bonus scenes for the BluRay release."
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 12, 2016, 12:51:11 am
And because obviously the comics version isn't modern or realistic.
I don't think they're gonna be putting any Ninja Man-Bats or Batmen of Zur-En-Arrh or steam-powered dirtbikes or flower-themed supervillains, no.
The modern incarnations of Batman and Superman are more modern and realistic than, say, the 60s versions, but they're still pretty fantastical. The comics ones, at least; the Nolan Batman was, of course, very grounded and gritty. Which is exactly what DC is trying to recapture here, only more haphazardly, and by repeating the same buzzwords in every interview and promo material to drill it into everyone's skulls.
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Post by: Byakko on February 12, 2016, 01:23:21 am
I was thinking about Lex, but yeah. Although the modern "serious" comics for anyone isn't particularly dated or unrealistic (I mean, beside alien tech and magic and whatever of course).
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on February 12, 2016, 01:55:07 am
Expect the Batman scene at the beginning that is great, the whole trailer is bad.
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Post by: Reck on February 12, 2016, 03:46:39 am
That Batman scene was pretty great. I'm going to repeat what I said earlier about Bronze Tiger not being in SS, I really wish he was man. A fight scene between him and Bats would be amazing.
judging by the real Batman's input it seems that he specifically likes Ben Affleck's interpretation of Batman. Which is possibly the only thing here that's remotely close to the comics
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Post by: Gennos on February 16, 2016, 01:30:14 pm
just watched the trailer, definitely much better than the first one. couldn't help but notice Snyder inserting himself in the movie as one of the thugs that fall through the floor, lol that was weird.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 17, 2016, 12:23:33 am
There was a rumor a few days ago that Warner Bros was panicking over the poor audience reception to the movie at the test screenings they're running, and that has contributed to their scattered approach to the trailers for this film. Ben Affleck's Batman is, however, something everyone seems to be keen on. So we might see DC reshuffling things around to rush out a solo Batman movie if BvS doesn't perform well enough.
Several other sites are hearing from the same story from sources, which makes this rumor a whole lot more credible. Apparently Warner Bros is even prepared to dump Zack Snyder if BvS does not perform well enough, and basically toss out most of their film slate in favor of more Batman. (http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/batman-v-superman-could-dcs-entire-slate-be-in-jeopardy-fandemonium)
It's a fun time to be a Superman fan. :(
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Post by: Bea on February 17, 2016, 12:30:25 am
Yeah, it is... First we get a film about a Superman that levels a city, then the second film that could, perhaps, have a slim chance of reedeming the character becomes a Batman film. And now Warner might just make more Batman films instead... Good grief. :|
OK, they might be decent Batman films because Affleck could get a director role, but still... I want a decent Superman film about hope and the most beloved boy scout in the world. :'(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: DatKofGuy on February 18, 2016, 07:02:52 pm
Because science http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3449534/Is-Batman-v-Superman-set-flop-AI-predicts-superhero-movie-32-change-making-profit.html
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Byakko on February 18, 2016, 07:10:39 pm
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The researchers put their algorithm to the test by predicting the chances some movies due to be released this year will turn a $7.3 million profit.
Oh good, and did they think to test it against stuff that already came out, like Man of Steel, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant Man and Deadpool ? Because if not, that's really not testing at all.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: walt on February 19, 2016, 05:16:35 pm
A.I.? Sounds more like a mathematical / statistical model to me ::)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Thedge on February 20, 2016, 01:05:26 am
Everything is called AI nowadays
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 20, 2016, 04:36:18 am
it's technically an expert system but it should not even matter outside certain circles.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Iced on February 22, 2016, 06:00:46 pm
Etta Candy announced for Wonderwoman, played by Lucy Davis (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/wonder-woman-on-set-pictures-reveal-lucy-davis-as-etta-candy.jpg)
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00094502.html
stiff upper lip and all that
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on February 23, 2016, 01:02:05 am
A mostly perfect cast for Etta Candy. I am really getting hopeful about this Wonder Woman film. It looks like they just might get it right and do Wondy justice.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: lui on February 23, 2016, 01:05:12 am
thats because zack snyder isn't directing, thats why its gonna be gud :)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on February 23, 2016, 01:27:33 am
Etta Candy is the best: (http://i.imgur.com/63ZFzxq.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Roman55 on February 24, 2016, 02:14:12 am
Rumor has it that DC might be releasing an R rated version of Batman V Superman for Blu Ray. (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/an-r-rated-version-of-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-is-on-a131383)
I want this to be true cause it's just so...absurd.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Thedge on February 24, 2016, 02:17:26 am
I can't stop thinking that the greenlit of that R rated version is for Deadpool reasons.
Wouldn't shock me. But the real question is why this movie and not Suicide Squad, which would fit the rating better.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Person Man on February 24, 2016, 02:33:49 am
Because this movie has never been anything more than a pastiche of slapdash last-minute reactions to things other movies made money doing. "Oh shit, Fox made money by making an R-rated Deadpool movie? Guys, we have to make this movie rated R now! That's what works!"
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Gennos on February 24, 2016, 03:06:14 am
its shows how much they trust their own franchises and characters. bunch of insecure douchebags.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on February 24, 2016, 08:23:36 am
jesus fucking christ, DC
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: lui on February 24, 2016, 08:26:32 am
juuuuuust when you thought zack snyder couldn't be more edgier
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Byakko on February 24, 2016, 09:23:24 am
He was probably pushing for it since day one and they told him it wouldn't work, and after Deadpool he went all SEE ? DO IT !
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: SlySuavity on February 24, 2016, 09:40:37 am
In seriousness though, I wonder how well an R rating would treat Batman in the film spectrum.
Granted, likely not so well as with this tripe, but the thought is invigorating. Killing Joke when?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2016, 03:53:13 pm
In seriousness though, I wonder how well an R rating would treat Batman in the film spectrum.
Granted, likely not so well as with this tripe, but the thought is invigorating. Killing Joke when?
Literally watchmen.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: SlySuavity on February 24, 2016, 06:00:51 pm
But my Batman doesn't chow down sugar cubes nor smell of dung! :'(
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Reck on February 25, 2016, 04:57:51 am
A Rated-R film adaption of The Killing Joke would be amazing, However, I think a Rated-R Death in the Family would be even better and it'd make a nice setup for Red Hood movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on February 25, 2016, 08:37:30 am
The animated Killing Joke adaptation is supposedly getting an R-rating, which makes sense, given the content of the story. But I don't think a faithful adaptation of A Death in the Family would require an R rating at all? The actual crowbar beating is framed so that the Joker is the only person visible, forcing the reader to imagine the damage he is inflicting on Jason Todd with said crowbar: (http://i.imgur.com/xrv9Cvo.jpg) making the scene all the more impactful.
But if they do end up doing an adaptation of A Death In The Family, they better include the finale of that story that everyone seems to forget: the part that comes right after Jason is buried, where the Joker becomes the official Iranian ambassador to the UN. (http://i.imgur.com/Z03EiKJ.jpg) and then Batman comes into conflict with Superman because Batman wants vengeance on the Joker but Superman is all like "no you can't he has diplomatic immunity" and Batman's all grumpy but then the Joker tries to poison the general assembly but Superman is there in disguise and inhales all the poison with his superbreath and then Batman chases after Joker who's escaped in a helicopter but then it crashes into a river and even though the Joker's body is not found, Batman knows he's survived and is sad and angry and unfulfilled.
comic books are weird
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 25, 2016, 02:58:45 pm
well that sounds like fun!
i'm sure if it does get adaprted they'll find a way to cut out all the fun with their edgyness
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: TrinitroRoy on February 25, 2016, 03:51:04 pm
TIL Joker likes fish a lot.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Graphicus on February 25, 2016, 09:11:41 pm
The animated Killing Joke adaptation is supposedly getting an R-rating, which makes sense, given the content of the story. But I don't think a faithful adaptation of A Death in the Family would require an R rating at all?
Maybe it has to do more with these kind of images?
Not that they're the worst I've seen, but I don't know what the criteria for rating boards is.
Also, I thought they did an OK enough job with "Batman: Under the Red hood". I doubt anyone will care about Jason Todd's mother debacle to sit through an entire movie. The important part is that Joker killed him and that Batman couldn't save him i.e. his first major failure.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on February 25, 2016, 11:21:35 pm
Of course he loves fish! There's a very famous and beloved story called The Laughing Fish, wherein the Joker poisons Gotham's fisheries and mutates all the fish using a formula derived from his Joker toxin. Naturally, he decides that because the fish now bear his likeness, he should be able to copyright them: (http://i.imgur.com/wCsHFb8.png) like, the concept of fish, he to own the trademark. He starts murdering city officials when he's denied this, and Batman has to stop him. It was adapted for Batman: The Animated Series very well!
Not that they're the worst I've seen, but I don't know what the criteria for rating boards is.
They might not have to tone it down somewhat but it's not impossible for a PG-13 rating.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on February 29, 2016, 03:21:03 pm
Yep, this will be a major train wreck. Batffleck confirmed for Bat God version.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on March 01, 2016, 12:53:43 am
Did the dude with x-ray vision seriously get fooled by a smoke bomb!?!?! Like OK fine, I'm sure the smoke cloud has tiny particles of lead in it, that render the whole of it opaque to Superman's x-ray vision or something, but it just looks pretty goofy!
also good to see that Superman has learned absolutely nothing about avoiding collateral and structural damage since his fight with Zod.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: R565 on March 01, 2016, 01:33:57 am
Man, this is really off-putting...I was hoping it wouldn't be this bad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: SlySuavity on March 01, 2016, 01:45:00 am
If you really wanted to keep Batman alive, you wouldn't have smashed him through a fucking building.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on March 01, 2016, 01:46:40 am
Did the dude with x-ray vision seriously get fooled by a smoke bomb!?!?! Like OK fine, I'm sure the smoke cloud has tiny particles of lead in it, that render the whole of it opaque to Superman's x-ray vision or something, but it just looks pretty goofy!
also good to see that Superman has learned absolutely nothing about avoiding collateral and structural damage since his fight with Zod.
And let's not forget about super hearing (not that it would be needed, even a deaf person would be able to hear Batman moving around with all that clanky armour) and super breath. Also, Supes could have melted that thing in Bat's hand with his heat vision. We just witnessed that Batman got plot shield in this film. And that "Superman" is still a dick to buildings.
So, it will be bad. Really bad. :|
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: lui on March 02, 2016, 12:48:57 am
this sketch is probably better than the entire movie, plus its actually pretty funny lol
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: rhiggatwat on March 03, 2016, 07:23:41 pm
You guys might be interested in this: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/03/this-weeks-cover-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-ew?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
Apparently EW has seen the movie...and the reaction seems pretty positive so far. It's also a good sign that WB is letting reviewers see the movie early, if nothing else it shows that WB has some faith in the film. If you remember, FOX tried to hide Fantastic Four until the last possible second. I'm not saying this means 100% that BvS will be good, but it's a good sign, I think. At least I hope so, ha. I really want this to be good.
Oh, and it seems like that vision of Batman in the desert with the parademons...might be The Flash's vision. Based just on this EW info.
And that "you let your family die" message probably comes from Lex Luthor, not the Joker, aimed at Bruce Wayne, not Batman.
Also, when watching this supercut of all of the trailers, it really dosen't seem all bad. There is definitely some cool stuff in there. The scene of Batman fighting in that building (starting at around 5:00) looks fantastic. Jeremy Irons will be a terrific Alfred. The Superman vs Batman stuff seems pretty cool. I still HATE this Lex Luthor, but I don't see anything changing that. Gal Gadot seems perfectly capable in her little bit of dialogue. The bad humor in that one trailer doesn't seem to be everywhere in the movie, or so I hope.
I don't know, this movie might not be quite as bad as everyone here is saying.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Thedge on March 03, 2016, 07:58:39 pm
That's indeed a good sign... but... everything else seems poorly planned and executed. My inner child wants this to be at least decent, I can see myself enjoying bits of it... but it seems to be overall bad, sadly.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on March 04, 2016, 09:29:14 pm
The mystery character Jenna Malone plays in BvS will remain a mystery for a little bit longer: (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/04/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-r-rated-ultimate-edition) she's been cut out of the movie entirely, but will appear in the R-rated cut for the home release. Visionary director Zack Snyder did say that she's not playing Batgirl nor Robin, which seems like enough wiggle room to leave the possibility that she's playing a non-costumed Barbara Gordon or Carrie Kelly, respectively.
Also Suicide Squad is not getting on board the Deadpool train, and is still targeting a PG-13 release.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 05, 2016, 01:45:26 am
Which is actually odd because it'd work a lot better with SS!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on March 07, 2016, 10:59:34 pm
Now I hope to see Commissioner Gordon call Batman a menace and Bruce Wayne selling him Batman photos for him to put on his police newspaper. :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Thedge on March 07, 2016, 11:06:00 pm
That'd be awesome actually.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on March 07, 2016, 11:09:24 pm
Imagine how awesome that can be if they go full Adam West with Batman's solo film. JK Simmons would chew the scenario so hard, it would be so, but so awesome.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 07, 2016, 11:17:53 pm
JK Simmons is a hell of a character actor so I'm sure he'll be a great Gordon just like Oldman was
I'm eager to see what kind of facial hair he goes for
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Person Man on March 07, 2016, 11:39:51 pm
I want to make a comment about how Commissioner Gordon really doesn't have much of a place in a full-on Justice League movie (unless of course they're turning it into Batman and Friends, which I wouldn't doubt), but JK Simmons is an absolutely phenomenal actor and he will absolutely kill that role.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Byakko on March 07, 2016, 11:55:33 pm
There are sections where we see Batman going all vigilante branding bad guys with a burning iron and there's the bat signal, it makes sense that Gordon shows up somewhere. They might just be setting him up for the standalone Batman movies, otherwise I don't see what else he could do in this movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: hatter on March 07, 2016, 11:58:07 pm
There are sections where we see Batman going all vigilante branding bad guys with a burning iron and there's the bat signal, it makes sense that Gordon shows up somewhere. They might just be setting him up for the standalone Batman movies, otherwise I don't see what else he could do in this movie.
It's for the Justice League movie, not BvS; Gordon is oddly absent in BvS and there's been rumors that the character had been killed by the Joker at some point in the past. But I guess that's not true?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: lui on March 08, 2016, 03:02:20 am
so the justice league movie takes place before BvS? That doesnt make sense since Batman and Superman are acting like they just met eachother for the first time
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on March 08, 2016, 03:05:44 am
No, Justice League takes place after. Gordon just doesn't appear in BvS for whatever reason.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: lui on March 08, 2016, 03:12:02 am
oh okay i got confused for a second.
gordon not being in a batman movie is kind of a dumb move though :/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 09, 2016, 05:43:46 pm
Batman vs Superman is 152 minutes long
Deadpool in comparison is only 108 minutes long
#sizematters
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2016, 05:50:44 pm
Dawg Civil War is going to be 146 minutes long
Action movies in general these days need more editors that aren't afraid to make some cuts
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 09, 2016, 06:12:42 pm
I'm of the opposite opinion. I want these movie to be longer so they don't feel as rushed.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2016, 06:55:57 pm
Oh man I dunno
I loved the Hateful Eight and I even think that could have made some cuts
I have just never liked sitting in a theater for a long period of time
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on March 10, 2016, 03:02:41 am
99% of the time, a super long run time isn't worth it. Just gotta be super ruthless about cutting stuff when making a movie, otherwise things drag and the movie bloats up.
I'm still pretty optimistic about Civil War's chances though!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on March 11, 2016, 01:00:18 am
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on March 14, 2016, 10:09:50 pm
hey remember that time visionary director Zack Snyder was trying to defend Man of Steel and Batman V Superman by calling all his detractors fake nerds who don't actually read comics (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2213228) and are therefore unable to critique stuff? Well it looks like someone else wants in on that action! (http://comicbook.com/2016/03/14/batman-v-supermans-henry-cavill-says-his-version-of-clark-kent-i/)
Henry Cavill said:
It's more the Clark Kent from the comic books as opposed to the Richard Donner, Christopher Reeve version of Clark Kent. While that character is very much beloved, I feel that this Clark is more in line what that who is a journalist. He's a reporter. There's less of that light touch, less of that comedic touch to his performance or his presentation to the world. For Clark, there are very serious issues. Certainly, in this movie, he's trying to get Perry to say, 'Look, this Batman guy is a bad guy! Let me tell the story about him!' He's trying to use his position as a reporter to make things better without having to resort to the cape. It's interesting to see. There's a more serious tone. There's more presence of a place of importance as a journalist.
see look, you fucking dummies, they're just being true to the comics. Not like that terrible hacky Christopher Reeve version, get that shit outta here. That performance was just terrible and everyone knows it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaF0QKtY0c) Go read more comics if you like that shit, cuz you clearly don't know shit.
fuck snyder and fuck cavill, own up to your creative choices you dicks, don't castigate others for disliking your dumb movies
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Post by: Bea on March 14, 2016, 10:51:54 pm
Good grief... There is absolutely no hope for Superman and Clark ever being portrayed good in this DC Cinematic Universe thanks to those two twats. Seriously, f**k this.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: rhiggatwat on March 15, 2016, 01:34:49 am
I know most of you already hate the movie...even though you haven't seen it yet, but so far the comments from people who have seen it early have all been relatively positive.
also this, though not much more to it: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/140103/20160310/early-batman-v-superman-reactions-point-to-a-much-darker-tone-than-the-dark-knight-trilogy.htm
Take aways: * Ben Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor are the standouts as has been previously reported.
* This new Batman is brutal and doesn't hold back.
* The portrayal of Lex is a very modern take on the character. He's completely two-faced and the trailers don't do him justice.
* Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman/Diana Prince is great, but her role is quite small.
* Superman does "Superman things."
* All references to future JUSTICE LEAGUE characters are handled very well and the film doesn't feel crammed or rushed – the 2.5 hours flew by!
The film is really dark – maybe even darker than Chris Nolan’s Batman films. It's definitely darker than MAN OF STEEL. It’s closer to WATCHMEN in my opinion than THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY or MAN OF STEEL
* The reason why Batman and Superman are against each other is handled in a very organic manner and there are some fantastic parallels drawn between these two very different characters.
* A LOT happens and screen time isn’t wasted!
* It's not what I expected; but having said that, its one of the reasons I'm dying to see it again (as are a couple of other people I know who've seen it).
So maybe there is some hope after all, ha.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Jmorphman on March 15, 2016, 03:24:26 am
I can't really say I hate the movie, having not seen it. But I sure did hate Man of Steel, and this looks like more of the same. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on March 15, 2016, 03:28:51 am
Man of Steel made me swear off films that Snyder is directing, so yeah, I will be skipping this. They made me believe I'd get a Superman film with those trailers and in the end it was that train wreck. You're not fooling myself again, Snyder.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: rhiggatwat on March 15, 2016, 05:36:23 am
That's really silly. Did you see "Jack" and swear off all Frances Ford Coppola movies (ie The Godfather and Apocalypse Now)? The guy who directed that horrible abortion of a Green Lantern movie also directed Casino Royale, probably the best single James Bond movie ever. Every film is it's own entity, and deserves to be judged based on it's own merits
But then again, this is the internet, where everyone hates everything...until they love it..
I'm still hoping this movie will sort of fix some of the problems with Man of Steel. Seems kind of like they are trying to do that, at least with the destruction of Metropolis and the whole Pa Kent thing.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 15, 2016, 05:59:45 am
I pretty certain I've read a number of sites all say something similar..especially that whole "organic" bit... Makes me wonder if they weren't all paid off...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Titiln on March 15, 2016, 06:51:35 am
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That's really silly. Did you see "Jack" and swear off all Frances Ford Coppola movies (ie The Godfather and Apocalypse Now)? The guy who directed that horrible abortion of a Green Lantern movie also directed Casino Royale, probably the best single James Bond movie ever. Every film is it's own entity, and deserves to be judged based on it's own merits
zack snyder did a bad job with a movie involving superman so it's really not much of a stretch to think he'll do a bad job with another movie involving the same superman
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on March 15, 2016, 08:24:20 am
That's really silly. Did you see "Jack" and swear off all Frances Ford Coppola movies (ie The Godfather and Apocalypse Now)? The guy who directed that horrible abortion of a Green Lantern movie also directed Casino Royale, probably the best single James Bond movie ever. Every film is it's own entity, and deserves to be judged based on it's own merits
Well, that's pretty ridiculous. This is a direct sequel to a very divisive film with almost the exact same cast and crew; it's unlikely to be a radical shift from Man of Steel, even with Chris Terrio doing rewrites and the studio scrambling to try and address the criticism MoS engendered. It's not like it's some bizarre one-off like Jack that is a clear abberation in one's filmography, or even a muddled but interesting failure like Coppola's Dracula. It was a movie that was designed to start a megafranchise of similar movies.
In general, past filmography absolutely can be very predictive of an upcoming movie's quality. It's not the sole determining factor, but it's a pretty good metric in predicting stuff.
also like, c'mon now. Snyder doesn't exactly have a single movie that's even close to The Godfather. Heck, he barely comes close to Martin Cambell's (Goldeneye and Casino Royale more than make up for Green Lantern) filmography!
I pretty certain I've read a number of sites all say something similar..especially that whole "organic" bit... Makes me wonder if they weren't all paid off...
Eh, I dunno about that; but then again, nearly every report from the various pre-release screenings that have been posted in the previous few weeks have said pretty much the opposite. Seems like quite the turnaround.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Bea on March 15, 2016, 11:01:55 am
That's really silly. Did you see "Jack" and swear off all Frances Ford Coppola movies (ie The Godfather and Apocalypse Now)? The guy who directed that horrible abortion of a Green Lantern movie also directed Casino Royale, probably the best single James Bond movie ever. Every film is it's own entity, and deserves to be judged based on it's own merits
But then again, this is the internet, where everyone hates everything...until they love it..
I'm still hoping this movie will sort of fix some of the problems with Man of Steel. Seems kind of like they are trying to do that, at least with the destruction of Metropolis and the whole Pa Kent thing.
Would you watch a sequel of Jack by Frances Coppola? Also, Snyder is going way out of hand to defend his take on "Superman". In 30 years of reading Superman comics, I have mostly seen Superman being presented more like Christopher Reeve Superman than anything else. Yet, here we are, with him saying that his Superman is the real comics Superman. Why would I have a glimpse of hope that after Man of Steel, he would deliver a decent Superman film considering his attitude and stance?
I am more than willing to give Wonder Woman a chance, I am pretty sure the inevitable solo Batman film, helmed by Affleck himself will most likely be good, but I have almost no reason to believe that Snyder will deliver anything much better than Man of Steel.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: first official Suicide Squad trailer
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 15, 2016, 02:40:35 pm
That's really silly. Did you see "Jack" and swear off all Frances Ford Coppola movies (ie The Godfather and Apocalypse Now)?
If all of Coppola's movies were similar in tone to Jack then you bet I would
This is like arguing that no one should dump on Transformers 5 before it comes out because it might finally be the one
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Gennos on March 15, 2016, 03:48:32 pm
i don't hate this movie as much as you guys do, im only a little skeptical of one thing really. why doomsday as the main villain? superman has tons of other villains. why did they choose the one who actually killed him in the comics. surely they're not gonna kill superman in this movie, so why waste the villain of the death of superman on a story where he doesn't kill superman. it seems like they just want to pack their movie with as much known characters as possible, which is kinda sleezy and manipulative marketing.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Mechy on March 15, 2016, 04:00:18 pm
Snyder has never made a truly good movie and he's really pretentious about his work to boot. Just him being a director goes a long way of me writing this movie off. Sure as hell won't see it in the theater.
And it's just kinda looks like ass from the trailers.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 15, 2016, 04:04:52 pm
i don't hate this movie as much as you guys do, im only a little skeptical of one thing really. why doomsday as the main villain? superman has tons of other villains. why did they choose the one who actually killed him in the comics. surely they're not gonna kill superman in this movie, so why waste the villain of the death of superman on a story where he doesn't kill superman. it seems like they just want to pack their movie with as much known characters as possible, which is kinda sleezy and manipulative marketing.
If it's possible to think positively SuperMan needing help to beat Doomsday because he has no chance and may die could actually be a good way to humanize him to Batman and get him to help him. And other DC heroes too.
Every month I see a movie with work buddies. Sadly this one got the vote. Though I knew it would. So I'll be watching it. I voted for London has Fallen :P
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2016, 04:36:23 am
i don't hate this movie as much as you guys do, im only a little skeptical of one thing really. why doomsday as the main villain? superman has tons of other villains. why did they choose the one who actually killed him in the comics. surely they're not gonna kill superman in this movie, so why waste the villain of the death of superman on a story where he doesn't kill superman. it seems like they just want to pack their movie with as much known characters as possible, which is kinda sleezy and manipulative marketing.
I suspect its a combination of name recognition and a reluctance to use any of Superman's other villains. Brainiac is apparently the villain of Justice League part one; Bizarro is both too goofy (even the less interesting, just-a-flawed-clone-of-Superman versions that don't speak in opposites) and too much of a retread of Zod (the exact same powerset!); Mister Mxyzptlk is far too SILLY and CHILDISH for a dark and mature and realistic movie series for adults (boo!). Metallo and Parasite would work pretty well but they might be considered too low-profile. Hey remember how Deadpool made a bunch of money? Well Warner Bros sure does! Lobo is back in development: screenwriter Jason Fuchs is currently working on a brand new script for the restarted project (http://www.thewrap.com/wbs-lobo-lands-wonder-woman-writer-jason-fuchs-exclusive/). Fuchs wrote the Wonder Woman movie, along with uh... yikes, Ice Age 4 and that terrible gritty origin story of Peter Pan that nobody liked?
well, I'm glad to see DC's character are still being treated well and are in good hands
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Post by: rhiggatwat on March 18, 2016, 12:05:36 pm
I'm just tired of all of the hate and the sheep mentality on the internet. It's everywhere. Once one person hates something, then everyone hates it. And it's just endless hate, for things people have not seen or read yet. Everyone hated Guardians of The Galaxy...until they loved it...because they actually saw it. Newsarama and other comics sites (not to mention 4chan) is just full of endless DC bashing. But DC DOES put out good stuff. Prez was pretty good, The Multiversity was awesome. Batman has been pretty good overall, Grayson, etc. Some people back up their hate with a reasonable argument, and those people are not the ones I am talking about. It's all of the blind hate, over and over again.
I think Terrio may have fixed the script. I think Affleck may have helped. I think there are a number of reasons why this movie might be better than Man of Steel, which I have a ton of problems with, but is not the worst thing to ever show in a movie theater. At least we finally got to see Superman do some Superman stuff. I blame Goyer for a lot of what's wrong with that film. Goyer needs a co-writer (like Christopher Nolan), or he f@#ks a lot of things up.
Transformers is directed by Michael Bay, and it's not a fair example. Michael Bay ONLY makes moves that are literally written out of action movie cliches. In my opinion, Snyder is not a bad director. He lives or dies based on the script he is given. 300 is not bad, it's a fun popcorn movie that looks just like the comic, which was pretty cool when it first came out. Snyder can do decent work. Doesn't mean he will here, but he might. I just really don't like prejudging everything immediately.
And sometimes people need to be treated separate from their work. E.E. Cummings wrote two infamous poems that were seen as racist and anti-semitic, but his poems are still incredible. You just can't take that away from him. No, Snyder is no E.E. Cummings. But his arrogance does not automatically make this a bad movie. And it's not like he has reached Trump levels of ego. It's a few dumb comments here or there, which we all make from time to time.
And let's be honest here, we're talking about a superhero flick, they are not incredible works of art. They need to have a good plot, some believable characterization, and provide an entertaining and exciting couple of hours. Batman v Superman can still do all of these things.
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Post by: Mechy on March 18, 2016, 02:20:57 pm
I guess BvS could still do all that, but it could also be a huge piece of shit. Guess we won't know till it's out, since this is all just people speculating based off of what we have seen. So chill, it's not such a big deal.
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Post by: Iced on March 18, 2016, 02:49:43 pm
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[The DVD release] is a half-hour longer, and some of that additional material is some of the stuff we took out for the rating. I was like, “’ool, I can put it back in for the director’s cut.’ There was nothing by design. There was nothing by design. This was the material I just put back in, and then when [the MPAA] looked at it again, they were like, ‘Oh, now the movie’s rated R.’ And, by the way, it’s not a hard R. There’s no nudity. There’s a little bit of violence. It just tips the scale.
Director cut is R rated
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Post by: Person Man on March 18, 2016, 03:07:09 pm
I'm just tired of all of the hate and the sheep mentality on the internet. It's everywhere. Once one person hates something, then everyone hates it. And it's just endless hate, for things people have not seen or read yet. Everyone hated Guardians of The Galaxy...until they loved it...because they actually saw it. Newsarama and other comics sites (not to mention 4chan) is just full of endless DC bashing. But DC DOES put out good stuff. Prez was pretty good, The Multiversity was awesome. Batman has been pretty good overall, Grayson, etc. Some people back up their hate with a reasonable argument, and those people are not the ones I am talking about. It's all of the blind hate, over and over again.
It's nothing to do with a "sheep mentality." The movie just looks really, really bad. And it's not even about DC so much as is it Warner Bros. complete botching of how the film is being handled. All of the promotional materials give off the distinct impression that they're trying to fast-track their way to Avengers-level success without bothering to try and understand why those movies worked the way they did. The story appears to be nothing more than the exact same tired "dark and angsty and realistic and gritty" tripe that made Man of Steel so terrible, except now Paul Marketing is forcing Snyder to ruin the rest of the Justice League in the same way he did to Superman.
I don't know why you're trying to push this narrative that everyone is just blindly hating this movie to due hive-minds and memes. The previous movie in the series, made by the same people, was completely awful and everything they've shown from this one makes it look like it's going to be more of the same. It's not that unreasonable for people to be pessimistic.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 18, 2016, 06:34:53 pm
Transformers is directed by Michael Bay, and it's not a fair example. Michael Bay ONLY makes moves that are literally written out of action movie cliches. In my opinion, Snyder is not a bad director. He lives or dies based on the script he is given. 300 is not bad, it's a fun popcorn movie that looks just like the comic, which was pretty cool when it first came out. Snyder can do decent work. Doesn't mean he will here, but he might. I just really don't like prejudging everything immediately.
"Batman v Superman: Hot Shots of Justice is directed by Zack Snyder, and it's not a fair example. Zack Snyder ONLY makes movies that are literally more concerned with style over substance. In my opinion, Michael Bay is not a bad director. He lives or dies based on the actors he's got. Bad Boys is not bad, it's a fun popcorn movie with two talented comics, who were at the top of their games when the movie came out. Bay can do decent work. Doesn't mean he will on Transformers 5, but he might. I just don't like prejudging everything immediately."
Now you're saying to yourself "Preach, that's a little disingenuous don't you think?"
And you are absolutely right.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on March 19, 2016, 02:30:24 am
Everyone's done a pretty good job of responding to rhiggatwat's post but there's one thing I gotta say
I'm just tired of all of the hate and the sheep mentality on the internet.
man, fuck off this shit. Sheep? Are you kidding me? People are allowed to dislike things, Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Thagr8test on March 19, 2016, 03:26:00 am
Jmorph i feel like your in the minority he spoke of about those who dislike man of steel but can provide solid reasoning behind it so i wouldn't take offense i get what he's saying there is a lot of monkey see monkey do on the internet but at the end of the day this is just a movie they'll be spitting out a new version of this film down the line so hey just take it for what it is and leave it at that i think people in general take stuff like this way too seriously but thats just imo
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Post by: Roman55 on March 22, 2016, 01:32:56 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeG7XYrUEAAk2dL.jpg)
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Post by: Gennos on March 22, 2016, 02:01:04 am
sorry i just noticed this. but damn, that is one horrible name if it's pronounced the way i think it is.
Rusty Kuntz is worse than that.
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Post by: Titiln on March 22, 2016, 02:12:42 am
just look at this list instead of wasting a second with that pile of shit video 1. Dr. Whet Faartz 2. Batman Bin Suparman 3. Jesus Condom 4. Tahra Dactyl 5. Kash Register 6. Am'az'in Blackman 7. Dick Trickle 8. Mister Love 9. Chris P. Bacon 10. Rad Heroman 11. Capt. Hyman Shocker 12. Speed Weed 13. Destinee Hooker 14. Fire Penguin Disco Panda 15. Tokyo Sexwale 16. Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop 17. Jed I Knight 18. Bud Light 19. Dick Power 20. Charity Beaver 21. General Arse Biscuites
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 22, 2016, 08:55:25 am
Number 15 isnt actually pronounced "sex whale" as some will think, he served as one of our ministers here in South Africa. Random fact...
Back to the DC discussion. Anyone going to the early screening?
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Post by: lui on March 22, 2016, 04:44:50 pm
a friend of mine went to the premiere (luckiy bastard), he told me that if you didn't like man of steel so much this movie will still be good for you, that wonder woman was one of the best parts of the film and that affleck is the best batman AND bruce wayne in film history, so i'm hoping it'll be good for me
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Post by: Bea on March 22, 2016, 05:02:45 pm
a friend of mine went to the premiere (luckiy bastard), he told me that if you didn't like man of steel so much this movie will still be good for you, that wonder woman was one of the best parts of the film and that affleck is the best batman AND bruce wayne in film history, so i'm hoping it'll be good for me
He is lying. Sorry to break it to you, but the bolded part is proof enough that he is lying. The man that will top Adam West as the best Batman and Bruce Wayne in film history hasn't born yet. :P
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 22, 2016, 05:07:14 pm
I don't know your friend or his taste but he is clearly lying if he says he likes this terrible movie I didn't see yet.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 22, 2016, 05:18:19 pm
I just want the movie to be released already so the healing process can begin on the road to Civil War.
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Post by: DelusionTrim on March 22, 2016, 05:19:57 pm
I don't think I'll ever understand the hate for Ben Affleck as Batman, what's wrong with him lol.
I guess it's just a thing that happens regardless of whatever actor they pick for these big roles, there was Heath Ledger, Daniel Craig, I think Michael Keaton as well? There are others I don't recall at the moment but pretty much all of them proved to have been great choices, just give Affleck a chance he can be good as Batman.
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Post by: lui on March 22, 2016, 05:23:51 pm
a friend of mine went to the premiere (luckiy bastard), he told me that if you didn't like man of steel so much this movie will still be good for you, that wonder woman was one of the best parts of the film and that affleck is the best batman AND bruce wayne in film history, so i'm hoping it'll be good for me
He is lying. Sorry to break it to you, but the bolded part is proof enough that he is lying. The man that will top Adam West as the best Batman and Bruce Wayne in film history hasn't born yet. :P
aye aye aye adam west counts as tv batmen not film batmen :P
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Post by: Bea on March 22, 2016, 05:26:32 pm
Oh, I no longer have much hate for Batffleck. I am sure his inevitable solo film will be pretty cool and interesting. I think he will most likely be a very good Batman, even tying second best with Keaton. But he won't be no Adam West.
He is lying. Sorry to break it to you, but the bolded part is proof enough that he is lying. The man that will top Adam West as the best Batman and Bruce Wayne in film history hasn't born yet. :P
aye aye aye adam west counts as tv batmen not film batmen :P
He had a full feature film in the silver screen back in 1966 with the iconic bomb scene and the legendary shark repellent bat-spray. He totes counts as film Batman. :P
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Post by: rhiggatwat on March 22, 2016, 11:11:27 pm
Ugh, nevermind. So I guess it's gonna suck. Maybe it's not too late to save Justive League.
There is this: http://www.newsarama.com/28508-review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-grandly-succeeds-where-man-of-steel-fell-short.html
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Post by: Bea on March 22, 2016, 11:19:25 pm
Very early still, but it got "quite" the start. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/
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Post by: JustNoPoint on March 22, 2016, 11:21:28 pm
I'm going to go see it so maybe my super low expectations will make it a lot better! Only movie that didn't work with was The Last Airbender. And I had super low expectations for it. It was still worse than I feared D:
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2016, 12:35:32 am
It's at 42% now, probably gonna jump up a bit more as more reviews come out tonight.
I don't think I'll ever understand the hate for Ben Affleck as Batman, what's wrong with him lol.
I guess it's just a thing that happens regardless of whatever actor they pick for these big roles, there was Heath Ledger, Daniel Craig, I think Michael Keaton as well? There are others I don't recall at the moment but pretty much all of them proved to have been great choices, just give Affleck a chance he can be good as Batman.
The Affleck hate was way, way overblown but there was cause for concern: Affleck isn't really the greatest actor of his generation, y'know? Going from Christian Bale to Affleck was always gonna seem like a let down.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 23, 2016, 12:45:43 am
Ugh, nevermind. So I guess it's gonna suck. Maybe it's not too late to save Justive League.
Brother, there are hills worth dying for and believe me when I say I will be right next to you rattling the sabers on those hills. But Zack Snyder is not and never will be that hill. The best thing that can happen for Justice League is if Snyder steps down and they give it to Affleck or somebody else who knows how to give a story a little flesh and bone.
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Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2016, 12:49:30 am
i guess people were used to marvel keeping most of their actors in the same role (like downey jr as ironman for five movies and beyond) so when the other comic book movie people announced this batman v superman movie and said that bale, who played batman in three well-received movies, wouldn't be returning, people were disappointed regardless of who the replacement was
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Post by: GTOAkira on March 23, 2016, 02:06:50 am
Its down to 40% now it is at 39% I feel like 2h31 was a little bit to much
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Post by: DelusionTrim on March 23, 2016, 02:37:32 am
Looking at the score I wonder if it's gonna be like MoS in that it will be a really divisive movie? If so then I may love this one since I liked MoS... I'm more or less certain however this isn't popular opinion here so don't hurt me pls.
I don't think I'll ever understand the hate for Ben Affleck as Batman, what's wrong with him lol.
I guess it's just a thing that happens regardless of whatever actor they pick for these big roles, there was Heath Ledger, Daniel Craig, I think Michael Keaton as well? There are others I don't recall at the moment but pretty much all of them proved to have been great choices, just give Affleck a chance he can be good as Batman.
The Affleck hate was way, way overblown but there was cause for concern: Affleck isn't really the greatest actor of his generation, y'know? Going from Christian Bale to Affleck was always gonna seem like a let down.
Well you could more or less say the same about other actors... Jack Nicholson is a great actor and was pretty good as the Joker, but I still prefer Heath Ledger's portrayal despite still thinking that Nicholson is better as an actor, but that's just my opinion.
After watching Requiem for a Dream a while ago I'm looking forward to Jared Leto's Joker, just gotta love how each actor plays the character in a different way.
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Post by: lui on March 23, 2016, 04:15:26 am
And it’s OK to good with some very fine and some very off-base moments peppered throughout. BvS never fully transcends into being an awesome viewing experience and yet is also too competently made to be anywhere near the disaster its haters have predicted. That said, if you've already made up your mind about BvS then the actual film itself won't do much to change your mind one way or another.
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For much of its two-and a half-hour running time, BvS is just sort of there, with various characters brooding, talking, and pondering, dotted with bursts of superhero action until its eye candy-filled third act. It’s largely a straightforward drama with some sleuthing sequences, and is thus more engaging on a cerebral level than as a fanboy-friendly adrenaline rush. Those expecting BvS to be DC's answer to Marvel's Avengers will find it more akin to Snyder's Watchmen instead.
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When we do see Batman, he is absolutely brutal and Affleck really nails it as both the Dark Knight and Bruce Wayne. He’s a physical powerhouse, the dapper playboy, the serious businessman, an obsessive authoritarian, and a relentless detective. Affleck is the best thing about BvS, instantly making the character of Batman his own. He should prove a sturdy anchor for future DC movies (but more on that later).
The movie simply has more energy whenever Batman is onscreen. You’re left suspecting Zack Snyder really wanted to just make a Batman movie but was saddled with Superman because the backlash over Man of Steel’s finale had to be addressed. And there’s no denying that BvS is an utter and complete reaction to the outcry over that. The civilian bodycount and psychological impact of the battle in Metropolis is brought up many times, and BvS goes out of its way to hammer home how few civilians are around for the final battles this time around.
While Batfleck may steal the show (and largely drives the plot), Cavill’s Superman is very much the heart of this story. He’s trying to do good in the world, but every action he takes provokes an even greater reaction. However, there’s an early sequence of an incident in Africa that’s repeatedly brought up as an example of Superman being a lethal menace to others, but it never quite holds up under scrutiny and is a convoluted subplot that seems to exist merely to give Lois Lane (Amy Adams) a story to pursue.
As much as Cavill still tries to imbue Superman with humanity, he’s proven fairly wooden outside of his work on The Tudors and that remains the case here. It’s also tough to buy no one has figured out he’s Superman since, unlike Reeve or Routh, his Clark Kent has no “cover” outside of a pair of glasses. There’s no separate personality to his Clark Kent. Cavill is more like classic TV Superman George Reeves in that regard.
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Gal Gadot turns out to be a fine choice as Wonder Woman, although her screen time here is limited. Overall, the decision to introduce Diana Prince as a Woman of Mystery was a smart choice and she has good chemistry with Affleck. Unfortunately, she doesn't really have any interactions with Clark Kent or Superman until the Doomsday battle, which undercuts seeing the big three together (more on that in a bit).In fact, I don't recall Superman and Wonder Woman ever actually speaking to each other.
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Unfortunately, finally seeing the trinity of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman together on the big screen was rather underwhelming.
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In hindsight, there was no good reason for Warner Bros. to reveal Doomsday, Aquaman, and so much of Wonder Woman beforehand.
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While Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice has good things to recommend it, its shortcomings are undeniable. The action sequences whenever Batman is set loose on the bad guys are cool, and the story strives to explore human and philosophical elements, but it’s often not much fun. Not every superhero movie should be like a Marvel one (because every hero and piece of material is different), but even the melodramatic X-Men movies never lost sight of pure entertainment value while also exploring heady and heavy topics.
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Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Person Man on March 23, 2016, 11:39:49 pm
As horrible reviews from every corner continue to pile up, Zack Snyder attempts to defend his decision to turn beloved, iconic superheroes into mentally unstable mass murders by pointing out that, technically speaking, the bad guys in the last Star Wars movie killed more people than Superman did in his movie. (http://comicbook.com/2016/03/23/zack-snyder-says-star-wars-the-force-awakens-has-more-collateral/)
Not denying that Superman accidentally killed thousands of people by blowing the hell out of Metroplis. Just saying that the evil, genocidal villains in one movie did it on purpose, so why is everyone on his case about it.
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Post by: Thedge on March 23, 2016, 11:50:13 pm
But, but, but... in context it sounds... right?
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Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2016, 11:54:42 pm
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Snyder was mystified when someone told him that they couldn’t think of a movie in recent memory that’s had as much collateral damage as “Man of Steel.” “I went, really? And I said, well, what about ['Star Wars: The Force Awakens']?” the director says. “In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”
Those are people killed by the bad guys of that particular movie, presented as a response to concerns over collateral damage caused by the hero of his movie. What context are you saying sounds right ? Man of Steel's collateral damage from the hero's actions don't seem to have any recent challenger. Snyder's response is also really fucking obtuse because who the hell would even talk about "collateral damage" when discussing the victims of the bad guys. That's not what collateral damage is, those are the direct targets of the bad guys (or the planet-sized space base full of evil soldiers, for that matter). But hey, he's probably trying to argue that the civilians were killed by Zod's group, not Superman - if only he didn't forget to actually state that point out loud (it's wrong anyway so maybe that's why he's not saying it).
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Post by: GENOCIDE CUTTAH XIV on March 24, 2016, 01:08:33 am
I'm really dissapointed in how Batman v Superman turned out. I was hoping that the movie would challenge what i thought it would look like but it looked like exactly how i thaught it would. Not only that, it seems that Snyder did not learn from Man of Steel. The biggest mistake he did in that movie (wich got alot of negative feedback) HE REPEATED IT IN THIS ONE! HOW? WHY? The movie wasn't bad but pales in comparison with Marvel Cinematics. Now let's just hope Suicide Squad saves DC. *sigh*
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Post by: SlySuavity on March 24, 2016, 01:15:44 am
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Post by: GENOCIDE CUTTAH XIV on March 24, 2016, 01:49:36 am
Just watched a few reviews and man, does the movie get alot of unjustified hate. The movie isn't perfect as i said but i wasn't bad. I was better than Iron-Man 2 to 3. Better than man of steel, better than Fantastic Four and a whole other bunch of superhero movie. If i wanted give this movie a rating i would give it a 7,5-8 out of 10 (for a superhero movie) it isn't great but isn't bad either.
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Post by: Niitris on March 24, 2016, 02:15:54 am
So much for more reviews helping, it's down to 35% now.
Snyder's response is also really fucking obtuse because who the hell would even talk about "collateral damage" when discussing the victims of the bad guys. That's not what collateral damage is, those are the direct targets of the bad guys (or the planet-sized space base full of evil soldiers, for that matter). But hey, he's probably trying to argue that the civilians were killed by Zod's group, not Superman - if only he didn't forget to actually state that point out loud (it's wrong anyway so maybe that's why he's not saying it).
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how his response was supposed to make any kind of sense.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 24, 2016, 04:49:13 am
It's at 42% now, probably gonna jump up a bit more as more reviews come out tonight.
(http://i.imgur.com/lsjborD.png) welp
Box office tracking for BvS is still around $160 million this weekend, though enough bad word-of-mouth tends to cause such movies to rapidly stop making a ton of money once the first weekend is over.
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Post by: Thagr8test on March 24, 2016, 05:03:35 am
checking out the flick tomorrow with the wife but thanks entirely to the global hate campaign spear headed by jmorph and bea the world hates superman because he causes mass destruction and his director is limited to say the least thanks a lot you two YOU ruined superman for the rest of us! but seriously just checking this out purely out of curiosity and its an excuse for date night so hey
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 24, 2016, 10:10:02 am
An audience score of 81%
Yup..expected that.
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Post by: lui on March 24, 2016, 06:51:03 pm
Snyder Says Batman's "BvS" Body Count Is More "Manslaughter Than Murder"
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Post by: GTOAkira on March 24, 2016, 11:17:02 pm
really not a big fan of wonder woman it looks like a model competition arent amazon suppose to be ferocious warrior?
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Post by: Niitris on March 25, 2016, 12:10:30 am
Reserving judgment.
Btw, here's more that the source above didn't cover
Zack Snyder said:
There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.
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Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2016, 12:23:33 am
Yeah, in short he doesn't understand the characters he's doing and he keeps going "but see, Superman does kill in this issue and that movie and so does Batman, I don't understand why people get mad at my Superman smashing through buildings and Batman torturing and iron-branding bad guys, I have a lower kill count than the Death Star/Starkiller you know !"
... "I have a lower kill count than the Death Star/Starkiller" geez that was hard to write.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 25, 2016, 01:10:30 am
So i watched it.. and omg.. the only good parts were the Batman bits and Alfred and Perry being funny. Other than that its one convoluted mess. They threw in some flashpoint elements for some reason. Flash looks like utter shit btw... really cant stress that enough... even barry looks very un barry like. And jeez people halluvinate way too much in this movie. The kill count in this movie is ridiculous.. i mean in the first 10 mins supes clearly kills a guy.. Batman is killer in this universe as well.
The batman parts were good though. Like it was ripped right outta an arkham game.
Gal still has her accent. So im gonna assume the amazons will have an accent. I actually ended up liking how lex was portrayed... some shades of ledgers joker in him.
Urgh doomsday...
Tried really hard to stay awake the first 2 hours tho.. Some scenes just dragged on and on and some scenes were just not needed.
Also no mention of nightwing or robin. That newsclipping bruce gets doesnt come from who you think.
And as always.. the trailers showed off all the good parts... specifically from the final act.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2016, 05:16:27 am
I'm a big fan of the two Burton Batman movies so I don't really think Batman killing people is a total deal-breaker, but even in those movies it only barely almost works in those two movies. But having a murderous Batman in a less gothic and more grounded environment, with other, non-murderous superheroes, really doesn't seem like it'd work out. :-\
really not a big fan of wonder woman it looks like a model competition arent amazon suppose to be ferocious warrior?
They're peerless warriors, yes, but in most incarnations they're also a highly technologically advanced and utopian civilization. I guess it's possible not every Amazon is buff as heck, but I don't think that's what they're going for here.
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Post by: Thagr8test on March 25, 2016, 08:32:26 am
just got home from the movie it was sadly what i thought it would be which is a mess of a film but on the bright side my wifes confused face during one of the many dream sequences made it worth it that and ben affleck as batman
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Post by: Iced on March 25, 2016, 09:31:04 am
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Post by: R565 on March 25, 2016, 06:22:01 pm
His face is priceless.
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Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2016, 06:29:07 pm
Cavill must already have gotten the hang of it after Man of Steel, but I think Affleck has said that after his reveal and the first backlashes, he's had to essentially turn off his Internet to avoid it. If he does work well from what we saw of him in the trailers, I just hope people can at least realize that with this movie and he probably can't wait for his own standalone Batman to come out. I didn't know much about Affleck himself but from some interviews I've seen of him for BvS he seems like a cool guy.
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Post by: R565 on March 25, 2016, 06:36:39 pm
Yeah, I really did like him as Batman in the movie, it's just that the movie itself is very bleh-meh.
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Post by: HQ on March 25, 2016, 06:46:12 pm
i don't like how this first teaser looks at all, looks really bland and uninspired :/
looks like a horrible cut and paste photoshop composition any photoshop enthusiast could do better.
Can't wait for feminist to show up and complain about the lack of WW clothes here.
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Post by: walt on March 25, 2016, 09:13:04 pm
So, I took a stroll around the internets. Looks like the masses like it, and critics hate it, so it's not over yet. This is no Superman Returns by any means.
Affleck is +90% of the time mentioned as the best thing to come out of this, so expect a Batffleck movie.
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Post by: Bea on March 25, 2016, 09:15:38 pm
A Batffleck film will be most welcome. Affleck is a good actor and a good director. He could pull off something enjoyable.
Same with Wondy. The director there knows what she is doing, so I expect it to be a film I will enjoy as well.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2016, 09:33:35 pm
I expect the audience score to go down to the 50s-60s once the general public (as opposed to more dedicated fans who've gone to early screenings and premieres before today) starts seeing it today and over the weekend.
No see, it's not FOR the critics. (http://comicbook.com/2016/03/25/ben-affleck-says-dawn-of-justice-is-a-movie-for-the-audience/) It's an "audience movie". ::)
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Post by: lui on March 25, 2016, 09:47:36 pm
amy adams looks like she wants to die
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 26, 2016, 01:16:01 am
I look forward to seeing each of these actors and a better version of the characters they are portraying in a movie more worthy of their talents directed by a person capable of partnering with them to provide the best performances it is in their ability to give in a story that is more than a collection of scenes.
That is my review of Batman v. Superman.
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Post by: Gennos on March 26, 2016, 01:42:35 am
yeah it's a mediocre movie. hopefully it's box office bombing affects dc enough to fire snyder but not enough to cancel the batman movie or any of the upcoming movies.
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Post by: Thagr8test on March 26, 2016, 05:52:48 am
I feel like affleck was their ace in the hole because a lot of effort went into making batman interesting and pairing him with jeremy irons was perfect so now they kind of found a way around waiting to reboot the batman solo movie franchise
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Post by: Luis Alejandro on March 26, 2016, 07:33:36 am
Movie was good but I can see why people don't like it
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Ok so what was up with that dream batman had. Did flash run back in time to warn batman in his dreams? Lol .
Flash back at it again with the time traveling......
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Post by: Reck on March 26, 2016, 07:51:26 am
I wasn't a huge fan of the flick to be honest, Batman was cool I suppose, but I'm still a big Christian Bale advocate and I truly do prefer his portrayal of the Dark Knight as apposed to Affleck's. I didn't think Affleck was a total shit show, but he just didn't feel like "Batman" to me. He was OP in the Supes fight for the sake of being OP, and he really didn't do much of anything in the final Doomsday showdown. Irons' Alfred was a breath of fresh air though. Michael Caine was cool as Alfred, but I always felt he lacked the humerus characteristics that Alfred has in the comics. Irons played off of Affleck well and was all around a good Alfred. The entire movie seemed like a rushed mess to me, too many moving parts for me truly focus in on the plot. Clark, Bruce, Lois & Lex all having separate story arcs that eventually converged in the movie's climax, not to mention the added Wonder Woman stuff in the middle of the flick made it hard for me to follow the plot. Now, note that I said "hard" and not "impossible". I was pleasantly surprised by Jesse Eisenberg's Luthor, I went into the movie believing it'd be the worst part of the flick, but he ended up being the character I enjoyed the most, so nice casting decision on that one Snyder, I'll give him that one. As a whole I'll be honest, I didn't like the movie. But I am looking forward to Suicide Squad which most definitely has a better director. David Ayer is a fucking beast.
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Doomsday being in the movie seemed like a waste to me. They should've saved him for his own movie and not even included him here. Seemed like a pointless inclusion. I also liked how when he was attacking the city, they added in a soundbite of a news reporter saying something like "Everyone is off work, so the city is pretty much empty *thumbs up*" I assumed it was so the people of the internet didn't complain about the countless casualties like in Man of Steel. Earlier I said "Batman didn't feel like Batman". That is largely due to the fact that He was a straight up fucking murderer in this movie. I saw him straight up stab a guy in this :s He also blew up a car with people in it and subsequently ran over said car in his Bat-Mobile. I'm pretty sure those people are fucking dead. Same can be said for Supes though, he also straight up kills a dude in like the first ten minutes of the movie. Flash warning Wayne about the apocalyptic future was kinda cool though, I dug that.
EDIT: For whatever reason, the second half of my spoiler post got cut off so I re-wrote it. :P
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Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 26, 2016, 01:42:16 pm
Saw it already... for the second time... it's full of homages to comics... from I can recall, Dark Knight Returns, Injustice, Kingdom Come, Under the Redhood and many others I haven't read or seen but my friends have told me about. First time I give it like an 7/10, saw it on latin spanish, today I saw it again with friends, expecting to be bored and be there just because my friends would be there... surprisingly, I now think it's and 8, or even 9/10 movie... you will notice details so much better in a second watch.
If you are an spanish speaker, please, do yourself a favor and watch it in english, it has some important points miss in translation.
People hating it would be casual or marvel lovers, once you put attention to details and understand the story better, you will appreciate it a lot. This is a good movie, a really good one.
Examples of little things destroyed in spanish?
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In english there's a part when they said Doomsday is "unkillable" meaning well, he can't be killed... in spanish it says something like "we have to surrender"
Also, when meeting Doomsday for the first time, Lex says something like "meet your doomsday" like a pretty cool phrase... in spanish says "he is doomsday" more likely as a name, so it loss all the meaning
Same at the end, in english it's clear that someone already knew about Superman's dead, is hungry and is coming... in spanish, just don't
I recommend you to watch this movie twice, you will enjoy it more for sure
Alejandro:
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Yeah, from what I get, Flash tried to get in contact with Batman from the past, but seems like he travels to a point that is way back than what he is supposed to be at, he even ask, I'm here earlier? he said Louis is the key, and that they need to be together, he needs to find them. It kinda makes me think in something Injustice'ish... like a warning from something happening in the next mov... I mean, future
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Post by: Person Man on March 26, 2016, 02:15:55 pm
Or you know, people who don't like the idea of watching beloved cultural icons who represent truth and justice angrily murdering a ton of people for no reason and screaming hatefully in the rain until they die.
Could be that too, just saying.
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Post by: lui on March 26, 2016, 02:19:30 pm
What? Not wanting to see superman be faithfully represented means youre not a true dc fan?
Stop sounding arrogant like zack snyder
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Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 26, 2016, 02:46:16 pm
Or you know, people who don't like the idea of watching beloved cultural icons who represent truth and justice angrily murdering a ton of people for no reason and screaming hatefully in the rain until they die.
Could be that too, just saying.
yeah, that too...
I should say, about a 60% at least, it's people knowing nothing or just a few things and they end up not enjoying the film... because as I saw it today, this is like previously said, a movie for fans, and yes, it definitely is.
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Post by: Byakko on March 26, 2016, 02:53:30 pm
Yes, only real fans like a Superman that's angry most of the time and smashes through buildings while threatening people that he could kill them if he wanted.
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Post by: Niitris on March 26, 2016, 03:05:40 pm
People don't like a movie because they don't like what they see, not because they don't know.
I know I wouldn't like seeing heroes of justice showing no mind to the lives of innocents.
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Post by: Person Man on March 26, 2016, 03:06:16 pm
I should say, about a 60% at least, it's people knowing nothing or just a few things and they end up not enjoying the film... because as I saw it today, this is like previously said, a movie for fans, and yes, it definitely is.
I know quite a lot about Batman and Superman and I'm a big fan of both characters and that is precisely why I think this movie looks like a pile of fetid Hollywood marketing department-approved dogshit. Because everyone involved with making this movie appear to be the ones who "know nothing, or just a few things."
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Post by: Byakko on March 26, 2016, 03:09:32 pm
The truth is that it would be incredibly easy to make this movie a critically acclaimed behemoth hit : just change the names. You've got real talks about responsibilities, real talks about points of view, who is a hero and who is a bad guy and all that. JUST NOT WITH THOSE NAMES. It's too bad DC just wants to use their franchise to draw people to the theater specifically based on these names because everyone has heard of Batman, Superman, and their rivalry, and everyone likes to see them face each other.
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Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 26, 2016, 03:12:46 pm
I have seen that kind of attitude before in comics and television... and remember why he was angry the first time he made the warning, and also remember why he was angry-fighting that second time...
you can also dislike it for other reasons, but the main reasons I have read and been told are because "too complex, not funny, I don't get it" stuff.
People don't like a movie because they don't like what they see, not because they don't know.
I know I wouldn't like seeing heroes of justice showing no mind to the lives of innocents.
yeah, I should write it better... what I wanted to say is more like "most of the people hating it would be casuals or marvel lovers that dislike this just for being DC"
of course, you can dislike it for many other reasons, but this are the main complains I have read and listen.
I know quite a lot about Batman and Superman and I'm a big fan of both characters and that is precisely why I think this movie looks like a pile of fetid Hollywood marketing department-approved dogshit. Because everyone involved with making this movie appear to be the ones who "know nothing, or just a few things."
yeah, I have a friend that is a batman fanboy, I know a bit more things thanks to him, but in this case, he loved the movie.
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Post by: Byakko on March 26, 2016, 03:15:23 pm
yeah, I have a friend that is a batman fanboy, I know a bit more things thanks to him, but in this case, he loved the movie.
Must be because Batman seems to be the best thing in this movie and everyone agrees on that, even those who hated the movie. So you're still massively missing the point, completely misunderstanding the reason people are upset with this movie.
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what I wanted to say is more like "most of the people hating it would be casuals or marvel lovers that dislike this just for being DC"
Still wrong, and still completely dodging the very explanation you quote of GSN. Also, if people complain that a movie is a mess ("too complex") ? That's a perfectly valid reason to hate a movie.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 26, 2016, 03:19:54 pm
Big news of the day, Byakko is right as always and will always be right and never be wrong.
- Thread saved.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Titiln on March 26, 2016, 04:12:34 pm
this one isn't so much byakko being right as it is nio being wrong
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Post by: Thagr8test on March 26, 2016, 10:53:24 pm
I think snyder should have directed the aquaman movie i think that would work in his favor because of the casting choice for aquaman but he has no clue about how to portray superman
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 26, 2016, 11:17:33 pm
You know what? I completely agree. There's only so much you're going to get out of Momoa, and a watered-down (pun intended) 300 may be the best shot of getting people to watch an Aquaman movie.
I mean I wouldn't pay to see it because I'm done giving Snyder money, but I'm sure it would make some real bank.
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Post by: Reck on March 27, 2016, 08:03:39 am
I'm a big fan of both Batman and Superman, I'm somewhat of a basement dwelling comic book nerd myself and I just didn't like either of the characters in the movie. Both Batman and Superman came off as huge dicks, Batman albeit a little more forgivable because Bruce Wayne is meant to be a charming dick. In a movie where I thought Lex Luthor was going to be the worst aspect, I was very pleasantly surprised how good Eisenberg was in the role. I'll take NiO's advice and give the movie a second watch to see how I really feel about it.
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I'm gonna be honest though, Batman & Superman's disregard for human life in this flick was very off putting. If it wasn't for Lois Lane's convenient timing during the fight, I'm pretty sure Batman would've shoved that spear through Supe's fucking head. "DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE" I'm sorry man the movie just had too much going on. The Dark Knight Returns, Injustice, The Death of Superman & a bit of the Flashpoint stuff was just too much to cram into a two and a half hour movie. Pacing was a big issue for me, but like I said I'll give it a second watch and see how I feel about it.
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Post by: JustNoPoint on March 27, 2016, 06:55:43 pm
Well, everything everyone said was correct about the movie. Luckily, since I already knew all the BS about their broken characters, dark grittyness, etc, etc my expectations were low enough that I actually came out not hating it. It wasn't near as bad as I'd built it up to be in my head. I think I accepted the stupid stuff they did with the characters so I guess it didn't have me rolling my eyes as much as I would have been.
I was surprised that I liked this Luthor too. He's not like any Luthor I'd seen in cartoons or movies before. Didn't really act like Luthor the character I am used to, but I really enjoyed what he did.
Many parts were too drawn out and all the shoe horning was terrible of course. The Aquaman scene was ridiculous. The end was almost a surprise till the very last moment which I was expecting. We didn't wait to see if there was anything after the credits.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on March 27, 2016, 06:58:39 pm
I was surprised that I liked this Luthor too. He's not like any Luthor I'd seen in cartoons or movies before. Didn't really act like Luthor the character I am used to, but I really enjoyed what he did.
One theory I heard was that they were possibly originally going to have The Joker and Luthor together as part of the main threat but they ended up merging them into one character.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 27, 2016, 07:12:27 pm
The end was almost a surprise till the very last moment which I was expecting. We didn't wait to see if there was anything after the credits.
I think the end was the worst part for me because I kept thinking to myself "What is the plan here for the big movie? Is there going be two hours of sound and fury before [the Rock gets out of his hospital bed, breaks his cast by flexing hard and says 'Daddy's got to go to work!']*?"
Also there's nothing after the credits but that lingering feeling.
*Future movie spoiler comically replaced with past movie spoiler that will have had same emotional impact on writer
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Post by: JustNoPoint on March 27, 2016, 07:25:45 pm
Yeah, I have no idea what that could lead to in the next movie.
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I knew he didn't actually die. Does he go into these long death periods in the comics often too? He had to be clinically dead for several days. Not to mention all the questions one would have about how they hid Clark wasn't superman unless they didn't actually have an open casket for the funeral or maybe said they couldn't find the body? I dunno.
Anyway I got off topic. If he'd actually died it'd been pretty weird for the sequel but since they hinted he didn't die the ramification of he and Clark all of a sudden being alive again will be even stranger.
I don't know. It's never really a good sign to me when they kill a main character but can't have the balls to really do it. But then again this is the current state of the DC movieverse. A bunch of bad implementations.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 27, 2016, 07:52:10 pm
It only really happens the once, by my reckoning, but here's what happens in the comics.
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After the battle and a short revival attempt he's declared clinically dead. The public funeral is the real one with the body and everything, I think there's a very private one for Clark but I could be wrong. At some point his body is stolen from the large grave they had built for him. This is what leads to the four Supermen replacements and the confusion. In reality the Eradicator, who is a Kryptonian computer and thus know that Superman was only mostly dead and thus slightly alive put his body in a solar chamber where he could sit healing until Frieza shows up and the plot needs him. Then afterwards Clark is magically discovered to have survived buried deep under some rubble and presumably living off rats and and underground spring (and of course his hair has grown out which explains why he has long hair at the same time Superman does because this is the beginning of the mullet period). Problem solved.
That's all fine and dandy if that's the way they went in the movie but by very publicly burying both Superman AND Clark Kent (to the extent of there being an open casket for Clark!) you've effectively killed the secret identity when he inevitably comes back. Not that he put much work into it anyway...
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Post by: Iced on March 27, 2016, 11:03:43 pm
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The biggest criticism levelled at BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE - fair or not - is that it isn't any fun. Asked by IGN at WonderCon this weekend whether AQUAMAN will be taking a similarly dark approach, THE CONJURING director James Wan replied: "The kind of filmmaker that I am...even my darker horror films generally are still very fun and I think that's important for me and the kind of films I make." Now, he obviously wouldn't give too much away about the plot, but it sounds like the movie will follow "The New 52" by addressing the fact that the hero has often been perceived as something of a joke. "Aquaman is a character that a lot of people have made fun of over the years and I just think it's fun to actually show a really different, cool, badass side to this character, but at the same time, let's not forget to have fun with it." So, it sounds like fun may now be the name of the game at Warner Bros.
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Post by: Gennos on March 27, 2016, 11:45:28 pm
yeah i agree. just by looking at the the dampened filters of the promo posters, the trailers, and the dark colors of superman's custom you'll know that you're in for a bleak movie, which is something that should never be associated with a bright figure like superman. but in all honesty though i feel like snyder isn't actually that bad of a directer, he made some good movies when the writing wasn't from him. people are actually praising the action and fight scenes of the movie, alot of directers can't choreograph fights and actions scenes for shit. oh and the folks at red letter media made a great review of the movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2016, 04:41:25 am
Oh cool, that whole thread of "people make fun of Aquaman to his face but then he proves them wrong because umm he's actually VERY COOL AND BADASS" was mindblowingly awful in the new 52 comics, I'm glad to see they're choosing to include it!
Here are some spoilery details on Jimmy Olsen and they're pretty dumb. (http://screencrush.com/batman-vs-superman-eisenberg-role/)
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you don't "have room" for Jimmy Olsen? For the second most important member of Supeman's supporting cast? But you do have tons for Alfred and Commissioner Gordon (in the Justice League movie, at least)? C'mon.
like seriously, if there's anything that can show how completely and utterly devalued Superman is seen by Warner Bros as an independent character/franchise, it's that everyone involved though it was a grand idea to kill off Jimmy Olsen, only seconds after introducing him, for a few cheap thrills >_>
I expect the audience score to go down to the 50s-60s once the general public (as opposed to more dedicated fans who've gone to early screenings and premieres before today) starts seeing it today and over the weekend.
this didn't happen either! I feel like a fucking idiot!
...although, the movie's CinemaScore is only a B, which is pretty bad (CinemaScore ratings are tabulated based on audience reactions, and are ridiculously inflated; a C is seen as a failing grade, and B/B-'s are middling ratings).
I think the end was the worst part for me because I kept thinking to myself "What is the plan here for the big movie? Is there going be two hours of sound and fury before [the Rock gets out of his hospital bed, breaks his cast by flexing hard and says 'Daddy's got to go to work!']*?"
Also there's nothing after the credits but that lingering feeling.
*Future movie spoiler comically replaced with past movie spoiler that will have had same emotional impact on writer
I don't like the implication here that that incredible scene from Furious 7 deserves to be mentioned, in any way, shape, or form, next to BvS.
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Post by: Byakko on March 28, 2016, 05:06:54 am
How come Chrome keeps telling me that this screencrush site is a phishing site and blocks it ?
BvS seems to have made a great first week-end worldwide, but we'll see how that holds for the second week or if it's enough for DC compared to its budget.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2016, 05:17:04 am
Indeed. The biggest test for this movie is gonna be on its second weekend, to see if those ticket sales can be sustained.
Warner Bros is declaring that there's a "disconnect" between audiences and critics, (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-878505) citing the 450 million its made worldwide over this weekend as proof. Which is kinda true, but remember that CinemaScore? The Catwoman and Green Lantern movies had the exact same score, and while they didn't do nearly as well as BvS did in their opening weekends, they experienced massive drop-off afterwards.
How come Chrome keeps telling me that this screencrush site is a phishing site and blocks it ?
Huh, that's really weird, they're a reputable site!
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Post by: Hannah Montana on March 28, 2016, 05:25:56 am
Hello everybody. Me and one of my best friends -the other sadly passed away sometime ago- watched the movie and were agree about the hype and expectations: the movie was good but was not epic as expected and we has been waiting for it,they would managed or handle better some situations in the movie. For now,waiting for the next DC movie, Suicide Squad be better and hope DC not reboot it or delay the project after negative feedback from critics like happened in Rotten Tomatoes score.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 28, 2016, 05:30:15 am
I think there will be a drop off, but not as steep as one would hope. I think this movie will lurch it's way over the 800 million mark, which won't be the success they want, but will be enough for Warner Bros. to keep going with their Justice League plans with Snyder at the helm.
Which is unfortunate for me, because it means I'll have to skip any Justice League movie.
I don't like the implication here that that incredible scene from Furious 7 deserves to be mentioned, in any way, shape, or form, next to BvS.
The man gets out of a hospital bed, drives an ambulance off a bridge (which somehow does not exacerbate his injury), then shoots a drone down with a minigun!
The scene I alluded to that they intend, I presume, for Justice League will be just as hilarious. But probably less intentionally.
Also side note - really kind of glad James Wan is directing Aquaman, although I'd still rather he was doing the Flash.
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Post by: lui on March 28, 2016, 05:39:59 am
Flash and James Wan is like a no-brainer, the man can do hilarious movies that focus on action and speed while being cheesy and fun, how did they not assign him to The Flash!?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2016, 05:55:44 am
What are you gonna say next, that the guy who wrote Pride and Predjudice and Zombies (and has never directed a movie before) isn't a good enough choice to direct the Flash movie (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/seth-grahame-smith-flash-director-829170)?
The man gets out of a hospital bed, drives an ambulance off a bridge (which somehow does not exacerbate his injury), then shoots a drone down with a minigun!
Yes. It was wonderful and the purest expression of art mankind has produced so far.
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Post by: lui on March 28, 2016, 05:58:03 am
i didn't know he was the director till now, thanks for the clarification!
hmm. well, i guess ill have some faith in him considering those 2 movies are pretty silly but then again he hasn't directed before so im a bit on the fence
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2016, 06:08:10 am
I'm very worried about the Flash movie because super-speed is hard to get right visually, and it sure seems you'd want someone with a very strong and distinct visual style to handle that. Getting someone who's never directed a movie before for a Flash movie just seems insane. :-\
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Iced on March 28, 2016, 08:16:11 pm
Things were far worse in North America than in China. You couldn’t have emptied North American theaters where the movie screened faster if you’d yelled ‘fire’ in the middle of the auditoriums.
Batman v Superman has set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern North American box office history. In dropping 55% from its $82 million Friday debut to its $37 million gross on Sunday, it pummeled all prior records for weakness in theatrical staying power. It even beat the nearly universally reviled and now long-forgotten Fantastic Four reboot, which dropped a comparatively modest 48% across its opening weekend in the summer of 2015.
You might be thinking that Sunday was the Easter holiday, which could account for the big Sunday drop. But that still wouldn’t explain the Friday-to-Saturday decline of 38%, which was the second worst opening Friday-to-Saturday drop in the annals of superhero releases, after a 40% dip for The Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by: Byakko on March 28, 2016, 08:28:44 pm
... Oh wow. A general news site I like over here said it broke a lot of records for its first week-end and I was totally expecting it to break another record for drop between week-end 1 and week-end 2, but it didn't even wait that long ??
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 28, 2016, 08:40:47 pm
According to wikipedia its still a success already, money wise
Budget $250 million Box office $424.1 million
As of March 27, 2016, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice has grossed $166.1 million in North America and $254 million in other territories for a worldwide total of $420.1 million.[3] It had a worldwide opening of $420.1 million which is the biggest for a superhero film, the second biggest for Warner Bros. and the fourth biggest of all time.[141] It became just the fourth film to have a global opening of above $400 million and the first for a superhero film.[142] It also had an IMAX worldwide opening weekend total of $36 million from 945 IMAX screens, the third biggest ever, behind Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($48 million) and Jurassic World ($44 million).[142]
However, both inside and outside of the United States, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice experienced a notable poor Friday-to-Sunday hold in China while in North America the film set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern box office history with a 58% decline, which was previously held by Fantastic Four.[143][143] With a production budget of $250 million, after rebates and tax incentives and a marketing budget of around $150–160 million,[106] Variety estimates that the film needs to earn $800 million to recoup its investment. One media analyst, quoted by the magazine, said that given the costs and need to launch a series of future films, "anything under $1 billion in worldwide box office will be a disappointment."[144] In the weeks leading up to the film's release, advance ticket sales outpaced The Dark Knight Rises, The Avengers and Furious 7.[145] Worldwide, it was estimated to gross between $300–340 million in over 35,000 screens in its opening weekend.[103][146]
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Bea on March 28, 2016, 08:52:31 pm
Still needing almost 376 million USD to break even doesn't sound like it is being a success, money wise.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Byakko on March 28, 2016, 09:02:28 pm
According to wikipedia its still a success already, money wise
Fortunately, even DC knows now that this isn't enough anymore. Man of Steel made some money too but they still had to dial it the fuck down in favor of Batfleck.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: DatKofGuy on March 30, 2016, 07:30:07 am
“We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?”
What a dick... urgh... Snyder....
Lol. is that DCCU Darkseid?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Reck on March 30, 2016, 07:53:26 am
I think Snyder intentionally wanted to make it difficult for other directors to direct future DCEU movies. What if someone wanted to include Jimmy Olsen in a future Superman flick? "Nah, fuck Jimmy Olsen." What about Lex Luthor possibly becoming president? "Nah fuck that too." What's stopping Batman from just straight up killing the Joker? "Absolutely nothing..." My disdain for this man continues to grow... The worst part about this is that
Spoiler: Spoiler for the ending of the flick.(click to see content)
now (at least in this universe) we'll never have a good Death of Superman movie. Quite a shame that they used that arc.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: lui on March 30, 2016, 08:13:33 am
fairly good review, full of spoilers tho. Still hilarious some people think that this is good.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on March 30, 2016, 04:59:47 pm
Finally i had able to see BvS...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
And as i expected, this movie is a BIG TRAIN WRECK!! >:( Some points: - Henry Cavill's role is even poor than in Man of Steel!! - Einsenberg's Luthor is a bad joke. I ain't get this Lex Luthor. - The Batman/Superman fight scene is not that epic. - Really sad that Gadot/Wonder Woman appearance is so short. - Doomsday is a big waste of time. - And thanks to DC and that dickhead of Snyder, we'll never be a Death of Superman movie.
The only thing i like is the Affleck and Irons roles as Wayne/Batman and Alfred, that makes me feel quite interested in the Batman solo movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: K.O.D on March 30, 2016, 05:05:50 pm
give me a batfleck movie
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Bea on March 30, 2016, 10:22:52 pm
Did we really need a scene of Lex Luthor bombing a government building with a jar of piss? For fuck's sakes fuck this miserable fake-ass movie
The entire movie felt like Zack wanted to use the Joker for the movie but felt like he REALLY needed Lex because joker isn't a genius or a billionaire or hates superman so it'd make no sense.
So Instead we have Joker Lex.
this movie was upsetting. every time ANYTHING good or likable happened, the Movie Reminded me why I don't like it 5 times over.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: MightyKombat on March 30, 2016, 10:58:42 pm
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Exactly. Now I can see Joker probably using a piss bomb or maybe a bomb made of apple juice for laughs but Lex "President CEO Supergenius Scientist Supercultured Clancy Brown" Luthor? Fuck off. What was Snyder thinking?
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To make no mention of Snyder having Batman use guns, something even FRANK "Vicki Vale Should Talk With Her Ass" MILLER got right once upon a time.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 30, 2016, 10:59:47 pm
Did we really need a scene of Lex Luthor bombing a government building with a jar of piss? For fuck's sakes fuck this miserable fake-ass movie
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Nah fam the bomb came from the wheel chair The jar of piss was presumably to prove a point to a dead person It was wicked clever you just don't realize it
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on March 30, 2016, 11:51:09 pm
Fans are banding together in an effort to remove director Zack Snyder from the future Justice League films.
Bryan Cruz created a change.org petition (https://www.change.org/p/warner-bros-boot-zack-snyder-off-of-justice-league) after the release of Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. While Synder’s film broke several box office records, it has received dismal reviews from critics. Snyder is already locked in to direct the next two Justice League films, but Cruz and the petition’s supporters have seen enough.
"Zack Snyder is not the person to bring the Justice League to the big screen. He's had two chances now to adapt DC characters and has produced middling results," Cruz writes in the petition.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: YugaCurry on March 31, 2016, 05:15:36 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s[/youtube] Lol. is that DCCU Darkseid?
nah that looks more like steppenwolf, the general of darkseid
Or Yuga Khan, Darkseid's dad.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Gennos on March 31, 2016, 05:33:19 am
darkseid would've been a good villain for this movie. damn it man, this movie was so simple and easy to get right that i can't help but be reminded with this scene:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Person Man on April 01, 2016, 01:13:08 am
In what is in absolutely no way a hasty last-minute reaction to the ritualistic execution Batman v Superman is currently receiving, Suicide Squad is currently undergoing extensive (and extremely expensive) re-shoots to make it more fun and less gritty. (http://comicsalliance.com/suicide-squad-undergoes-expensive-reshoots-to-make-it-more-fun/)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: SlySuavity on April 01, 2016, 01:24:03 am
Quality control right out the genuine ass if I ever saw it.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Bea on April 01, 2016, 01:30:00 am
I do hope that ends up improving the final product. The last Suicide Squad trailer was awesome and fun, and I am hoping for the film to be the same. Unlike the train wreck that was Batman vee Superman. I can at least take solace that it wasn't me that paid for that film ticket.
Gods, BvS sucked so much. I'd rather watch Superman IV over that trash, so bad it is. But at least it wasn't Superman that had the largest kill count by the end of the film.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on April 01, 2016, 01:49:29 am
I dunno, it doesn't seem super plausible that those reshoots (if they are in fact happening) would be prompted by BvS's poor reviews. The time between the two events is just too small to reach a decision to do something as complicated and expensive as reshoots would be.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Meatward on April 01, 2016, 03:45:54 pm
They are certainly going to butcher it up
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Bea on April 02, 2016, 04:24:00 am
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" took in an estimated $15.35 million on Friday at the box office, that's an 81% drop from its record-breaking opening last Friday (including $27.7 million in Thursday previews).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on April 04, 2016, 04:26:46 am
$800 million is the number that people are estimating Warner needs to reach to break even, which they're on track for. But several sources from inside Warner said that the movie needed to earn at least $1 billion to be considered a success, and it's looking increasingly likely that it's not gonna earn that much. That's what happened to Amazing Spider-Man 2: it broke even, but didn't really earn Sony any money (and of course, that all led to Sony throwing out all of its Spider-Man plans to work out a deal with Marvel).
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Thedge on April 05, 2016, 06:02:25 pm
$800 million is the number that people are estimating Warner needs to reach to break even, which they're on track for. But several sources from inside Warner said that the movie needed to earn at least $1 billion to be considered a success, and it's looking increasingly likely that it's not gonna earn that much. That's what happened to Amazing Spider-Man 2: it broke even, but didn't really earn Sony any money (and of course, that all led to Sony throwing out all of its Spider-Man plans to work out a deal with Marvel).
so are you saying that dc fucked this up so badly that they're just gonna work out a deal with marvel because that might be cool
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Foobs on April 05, 2016, 10:12:12 pm
I'd like to know if these analysis are considering money as flat number (nominal budget + marketing = breaking even benchmark) or if 1kkk is what DC could've made if they spent the original budget to fund a different project or multiple smaller projects back in 2013.
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Post by: Byakko on April 05, 2016, 10:23:09 pm
It can't possibly be the latter, because it implies them picking what to fund, and the last time that happened, this happened. Definitely the former, it's money spent that doesn't bring in more money, and it's not really about funding more, smaller projects, they want the big Avengers money. It's always the reason given when a good movie or series gets shafted for not making more money than it cost so why bother spending that money for this. It's not like they rather let their money sleep either of course, they simply want to make things that make money. Let's just say they usually do the latter, but they want to do the former because Marvel did it good.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on April 05, 2016, 10:29:13 pm
$1 billion is an internal number that's been leaked to the press; it's the bare minimum of what Warner wanted/expected for the movie. It can still make a profit if it doesn't reach that number ($800 million gross is what outside analysts and news organizations have estimated to be the break-even point), but the film would still be considered a disappointment, at least in terms of building a franchise: profits from future movies would most likely continue be too small to be worth such a huge financial risk those same movies would entail. So they might pare back their film lineup, or try another reboot, or something.
so are you saying that dc fucked this up so badly that they're just gonna work out a deal with marvel because that might be cool
Nah, but most insiders are speculating that if it doesn't break a billion Warner is gonna cancel or delay most of their film slate except for Wonder Woman (which has already wrapped shooting) and Justice League (which will start shooting in less than 2 weeks). They might end up delaying JL by a few months to sort things out, but they'd keep Snyder on it; at most they might assign a hands-on creative consultant/executive producer (George Miller's name keeps popping up in reference to this) to help curb Snyder's worst tendencies.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 05, 2016, 10:41:04 pm
Definitely the former, it's money spent that doesn't bring in more money, and it's not really about funding more, smaller projects, they want the big Avengers money.
If I understood that right, its basically similar to how they stopped the development related to Mortal Kombat X(L) on PC since they barely earned money with it or a lot less than with the console versions. They go for the big money and have no problem with risking a bit negative press and a bit anger by "hardcore" fans.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2016, 07:32:37 pm
Sources from Warner have told The Hollywood Reporter that there are currently no plans to change up the DC film slate (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-mulls-releasing-films-881265), but that all might change depending on how Suicide Squad does.
Nevertheless, it is being seen as a disappointment, both from within and without:
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Some competitors say the film may turn a profit but hardly will be the money gusher studios hope for when they pour massive resources into making a giant tentpole with a big star — with a budget in this case said to be in excess of $300 million, and Ben Affleck. "The biggest problem," says the head of a rival studio, "is that it is not turning [DC] into Marvel. The audience has communicated, as have the critics." One agent notes BvS likely won't get to $1 billion despite launching the universe with "two of the most iconic characters in history." Pointing out that Jurassic World pulled in $1.67 billion globally, he continues, "you can't tell me Batman v. Superman is so much less valuable."
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Negi Springfield on April 06, 2016, 09:33:00 pm
Dunno if this is the right place or not, if it is not, please move it but....
KILLING JOKE ANIMATED MOVIE TRAILER WITH KEVEN CONROY AND MARK HAMILL MY BODY IS READY
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Post by: Titiln on April 07, 2016, 12:24:13 am
it's not
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 07, 2016, 01:44:26 am
it also was already posted elsewhere (in entertainment news) Jai Courtney says that the Suicide Squad reshoots are being done to improve the action sequences, not to add comedy, (http://comicbook.com/2016/04/06/jai-courtney-responds-to-suicide-squad-reshoot-reports/) stating that the film already has plenty of comedy bits in there.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Gennos on April 07, 2016, 01:53:55 am
yeah it's not for comedy. it's probably to add more gruesome death scenes and violence. gotta get that deadpool money. im not actually against the reshoots, unless they're done hastily and end up sticking out like a sore thump.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Speedpreacher on April 07, 2016, 02:01:25 am
I never bought into the reshoots being to add comedy, because if a minute or so was all we were going to get of wackiness from Harley Quinn it'd be bizarre. I'll also never stop believing the Fresh Prince Big Willie is still somewhere within serious actor Will Smith so I'm hoping there's some quips from him.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: GTOAkira on April 09, 2016, 12:44:10 am
Dark Wonder Woman confirmed http://comicsalliance.com/wonder-woman-star-gal-gadot-says-her-solo-film-is-pretty-dark/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Gennos on April 09, 2016, 01:10:56 am
i want to hate nolan for giving DC the logic that dark=good movie
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 09, 2016, 02:46:45 am
Want to? Do. I do.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Iced on April 09, 2016, 02:57:49 am
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"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..." "... more than four or five lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."
Broken link Iced. And the dark superhero formula was initiated in '89 Batman, stop giving Nolan recognition he doesnt deserve.
Although Burton's Batman movies got the ball rolling for more serious superhero movies (but even then, they're pretty campy in some ways, but that isn't a bad thing!), it's the Nolan Batman movies that definitely are what Warner is desperately trying to replicate, and that influences every single creative decision being made on these movies.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jarek Bachanek on April 09, 2016, 05:03:56 am
it's the Nolan Batman movies that definitely are what Warner is desperately trying to replicate, and that influences every single creative decision being made on these movies.
Not only that but Nolan movies influenced DC TV shows too. Arrow is pretty much TV version of Nolan's Batman (atleast it was like 2 seasons ago, now it's just shit.). And what worse is that the way Nolan did his action scenes influenced many action movies (that horrible Taken 3...). Everytime when actor lack fighting skill they do it this way with shaky camera and dinamic montage and editing so viewer barely see annything. I'm sick of it honestly.... Ironic is Nolan made his scenes this way because he didn't know how to shoot them properly (he learned,, kinda on Dark Knight Rises) and it suited Batman cuz he always fight in the chaotic way from the shadows and in the darkness to strike fear in his enemes etc. But when filmakers use this style of shooting in other movies it's just looks bad and plain lazy. Don't get me wrong I consider Nolan as one of my favourite directors but he really fucked up in that area, although like I said it wasn't entirely his fault.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 09, 2016, 05:25:26 pm
i want to hate nolan for giving DC the logic that dark=good movie
I started to hate when i saw The Dark Knight Rises
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Post by: Gennos on April 09, 2016, 05:42:35 pm
you mean dark knight rises? that wasn't that much of a bad movie actually. i really liked it, bane was fucking badass. (although he did have an anti climactic end)
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on April 09, 2016, 11:31:05 pm
you mean dark knight rises? that wasn't that much of a bad movie actually. i really liked it, bane was fucking badass. (although he did have an anti climactic end)
Oh yep, fixed.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Jmorphman on April 10, 2016, 05:00:12 am
Good lord, Batman V Superman is now projected to be less profitable than Man of Steel. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/-batman-v-superman-seen-earning-less-profit-than-superman-alone)
Again, this is the movie starring 3 of the most famous and beloved superheroes on the entire planet, meeting for the first time ever on film. It's crazy!
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Post by: Person Man on April 10, 2016, 06:04:23 pm
So it turns out that as needlessly grim and horrible as this movie ended up being, there actually was one scene that Zack Snyder considered "too dark" for his masterpiece. (http://comicsalliance.com/the-one-batman-vs-superman-scene-that-was-even-too-dark-for-zack-snyder/)
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We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for [his mother] when he finds out that Lex has got her. It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.
...
I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.
Yes. Superman listening for crimes and hearing that they are happening when he doesn't feel like dealing with them was too edgy for Zack Snyder. Jesus Cringing Christ.
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Post by: SlySuavity on April 10, 2016, 06:11:34 pm
The Justice League is really going to be a treat should they keep Snyder around; I'm too morbidly curious to witness the edge at this point.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 10, 2016, 06:20:06 pm
All signs point to him still being on for Justice League Part 1 because it's too late to stop now and his wife owns the production company
But there's only so much failure a studio can take, especially from films that should have been a sure thing
If that new Harry Potter thing doesn't do well expect this whole enterprise to get scrapped outside of anything not in the can and new Batman movies
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Post by: Roman55 on April 11, 2016, 02:41:07 am
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I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.
"I have super speed and super hearing and super vision but i can’t save people because maaaaarthaaaaa”
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Long John Killer on April 11, 2016, 02:44:57 am
Well, I ended up seeing it. I...didn't hate it, to give it something positive. I felt it was better than Man of Steel, and while there are many things that can and should be better for it, if they dropped it being Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman specifically this could have been an overall fairly good movie. But it wasn't and it's not, so moving on.
...Moving on, let me just start that this is in no way the movie's fault, but the theater had a Hatsune Miku commercial before this. Of all movies. As jarring as mass murdering Superman. Or seeing a Hatsune Miku commercial, like, ever anywhere.
Spoiler: But anyways(click to see content)
I won't go on a rant over who should have been playing which character, but while they did the roles well enough for what the movie demanded, I wasn't a big fan of either Ben Affleck for Batman or Gal Gadot for Wonder Woman. And Lex, no thank you. I didn't buy into that brat being Lex.
It was amusing how much time they put into quick asides how the cities are evacuated when Superman comes around, so there's no casualties, but then Batman might as well have a gun on him at all times the way he kills anyone he meets. Including trying to on Superman.
Either my lore is not up to par, I'm not catching the design changes from comic to gritty live action, or Snyder's making up his own characters, but who was the guy in the power armor invading Batman's dream world through a Stargate, telling him about Martha? He looked just like the guy from Vanquish (https://platinumgames.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/t02_ev5.jpg), but red.
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Post by: R565 on April 11, 2016, 02:48:17 am
I don't know, but the way the story unfolded, it's a kind of jumbled mess.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Love or hate. Life or death. Batman Vee Superman
Post by: Speedpreacher on April 11, 2016, 02:50:13 am
Spoiler: The masked man...(click to see content)
...was the Flash. If you look closely during that scene and the Official LexCorp Superhero Sizzle Reel, you'll notice that they are the same actor (or at least you'll notice the same poor attempt at growing facial hair). Most of my friends missed it too.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 11, 2016, 02:50:41 am
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That guy was The flash, it reference to this scene from crisis on infinite earths (http://media.comicbook.com/2016/03/1649657-crisis-on-infinite-earths-2-batman-flash-176200.jpg), I think.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 11, 2016, 03:05:45 am
So, basically...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Flash is going to be a Spartan from Halo. He's going to get super speed from a power suit. That's...one way of going about it, Snyder. You already got Cyborg there, remember?
Well, that answers the only real question I had about what was going on in the movie, thanks.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 11, 2016, 03:20:08 am
Spoiler: Actually..(click to see content)
..if you notice in the Sizzle Reel he's using super speed without the suit AND when his Flashlabor helmet opens up he's got a second mask underneath. Ideally this is just what he uses to travel through time, but all the early reports have been that he wears armor so I dunno.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 11, 2016, 03:32:00 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Oh, yeah, I derped there and forgot about the cam footage of him in the 7-11. So it's not giving him the power, but still, he's got armor now and it's goofy. And not in the typical good Flash goofy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkz_ccWOm5g) that the movieverse could probably do good by getting some of.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 11, 2016, 04:01:43 am
new Suicide Squad trailer (https://twitter.com/THR/status/719339506088804355) ignore this, scroll down
it's not nearly as well done as the previous one but I dunno, still looks pretty interesting
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 11, 2016, 04:06:31 am
Will Smith was crackin' some jokes, I'm still cautiously optimistic.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 11, 2016, 09:31:15 am
here's the full, long version
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 11, 2016, 09:56:40 am
I seriously confused at all these trailers.
Captain boomerang is in ALL of them, yet he has like zero lines? Please, PLEASE tell me he has a big role in this movie and is a huge asshole the whole way through, PLEASE tell me he doesn't die. I'd be so upset, boomerang is one of the few squad members I can count on never dying, and he's the reason I read the comics in the first place.
I need Captain boomerang DC. Give me some boomerang.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 11, 2016, 09:58:10 am
Fucking best super hero movie together with deadpool this year..or in general. The last trailer was amazing, this one was fun fun fun.
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Post by: Bea on April 11, 2016, 11:52:59 am
OK, that is looking sweet and freaking fun. It will be a blast to watch this on the silver screen. :D
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2016, 07:08:32 am
It's time for another round of crazy stories of what Jared Leto did while he was method acting the Joker. (http://www.eonline.com/news/756288/jared-leto-sent-used-condoms-and-anal-beads-to-his-suicide-squad-co-stars-yup-you-read-that-right)
On tonight's episode, Jared Leto revealed to E! Online that he sent used condoms and anal beads to his fellow cast members! Wow, how edgy! Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje says he got "sticky Playboys" too!
so yeah uh what the fuck is this shit? Like, I can't imagine this isn't anything more than a bunch of dumb staged answers people are giving to try and hype up the movie and Leto's performance of the Joker, but why the fuck would any PR person think that having the actors regale the press with stories about how Jared Leto sent used fucking condoms to people is a good idea???
Captain boomerang is in ALL of them, yet he has like zero lines? Please, PLEASE tell me he has a big role in this movie and is a huge asshole the whole way through, PLEASE tell me he doesn't die. I'd be so upset, boomerang is one of the few squad members I can count on never dying, and he's the reason I read the comics in the first place.
I need Captain boomerang DC. Give me some boomerang.
He's supposed to have a fairly big role, the biggest of any non-Harley/Deadshot squad members, at least.
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Post by: Gennos on April 13, 2016, 07:23:06 am
from the bits we see from him in the trailer, he's seems to be going for a heath ledger joker, with the voice changing and the crazy guy persona. but if condoms and anal beads are the extend of his creativity then he's a very lame joker.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 13, 2016, 08:13:02 pm
On tonight's episode, Jared Leto revealed to E! Online that he sent used condoms and anal beads to his fellow cast members! Wow, how edgy! Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje says he got "sticky Playboys" too!
I can't think of the joker as any kind of sexual deviant as these statements make him out to be. like what.
He's supposed to have a fairly big role, the biggest of any non-Harley/Deadshot squad members, at least.
As he SHOULD, but where is all this in these trailers? is DC scared that no one would want to see a movie that involves Captain Boomerang?
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 14, 2016, 03:58:49 am
He's popped up a few times in the trailers, and the second one had a fairly big moment for him (sure, it just him ducking behind a car to drink a beer, but it was fairly long and a big tension breaker in the trailer!). I don't think there's much cause to worry about him getting killed off quickly.
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And perhaps this explains why Leto decided to share these words with the world at the award show: "Sweat, blood and semen ... it's all in this movie. It was the experience of a lifetime and I can't wait to share it with you crazy ..."
Jared Leto is almost single-handedly killing all interest I have in this movie. (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-suicide-squad-director-reshoot-rumors-20160411-story.html) uuuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by: SlySuavity on April 14, 2016, 04:28:59 am
Never knew Joker was a serial rapist.
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Post by: Do not even ask on April 14, 2016, 05:01:46 am
I don't think there's much cause to worry about him getting killed off quickly.
I shouldn't have to worry about him being killed off at all, maybe it's just me, but I really see him as a mainstay squad member, one of the few characters on the team you can count on never dying and always being there, him and Deadshot. (and now Harley too I guess.) so him not being featured as much as those two makes me upset!
Probably more scared that Jai Courtney sucks and is awful and is the absolute worst.
looking up Courtney on Wikipedia I get that he was in terminator genisys, and the divergence series, neither of which I have seen or care to see. Personally, I don't really care how much of an actor he is, as long as he can play captain boomerang!
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Post by: Iced on April 19, 2016, 06:05:10 pm
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 19, 2016, 07:18:51 pm
I'm really wondering who he's going to be
I want it to be Dan Turpin but fat chance of Snyder even knowing that character
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 19, 2016, 07:22:42 pm
Nah, Snyder is saving Turpin to be varorized 5 minutes into the movie, after saying a single line. It'll be "fun"!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 19, 2016, 07:33:57 pm
I hope it's in front of a Kirby painting that has a picture of Jack Kirby next to it with the words "Jack Kirby" under it so people really get the subtlety
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 19, 2016, 08:03:33 pm
Here's some good news: Jared Leto's insufferable exercises in getting into character as the Joker never quite reached Viola Davis. She never received any "gifts": (http://www.avclub.com/article/viola-davis-was-not-having-any-jared-letos-shit-se-235521)
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I did not receive any personally, or else I would have gotten my husband, who was called ‘headache ball’ back in the day when he played football. And I would have said, ‘take care of The Joker.
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Post by: Gennos on April 19, 2016, 08:14:25 pm
that's just lame, because it's either racism or fear of getting punched in the face by the hubbie. either way is sucky and unjoker like.
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Post by: Bea on April 19, 2016, 08:27:59 pm
Those are good news indeed. Gods, this whole Jared Leto Joker thing got into my nerves. I'd punch him in the face myself if he happens around here. It was fucking idiotic and immature.
And to think that the role once belonged to the great Cesar Romero. How deep have we fallen?
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Post by: Mechy on April 19, 2016, 09:24:46 pm
This post originally had me post the link that was posted just above. Cause im a doofus who does not read threads apparently.
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Post by: Gennos on April 19, 2016, 09:31:19 pm
...that was... just posted two posts above you o_0
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Post by: Mechy on April 19, 2016, 09:34:04 pm
Oh balls.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 19, 2016, 10:12:19 pm
Davis sounds more like the Wall with this one sound bite than these multiple news stories about Leto's antics have made him sound like the Joker
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Post by: Iced on April 27, 2016, 12:09:27 am
"My mother saw I was into this comic called Heavy Metal magazine, so she got me a subscription. You could call it ”high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into ”normal” comic books, but I was all like, ”No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, ”This is more my scene.” "
"Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. ”Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, ”No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go."
"The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too!"
"Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. ”Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, ”No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go."
(https://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr894yHZFN1qbk03no1_500.gif) It still boggles my mind that Zack Snyder, a guy whose first thought upon seeing Batman Begins is to wonder why Batman didn't get raped in prison(!?!?!?!?!), is the main person in charge of shepherding the DC characters to the big screen.
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Post by: Titiln on April 27, 2016, 04:29:22 am
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2008: The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful.
2016: Oh my god I just made a movie with Batman and Superman and a fricking Captain America movie is going to outperform it
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 27, 2016, 06:19:14 am
i'm starting to think snyder secretly works for marvel :S
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Post by: Gennos on April 27, 2016, 10:25:48 am
”No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.”
that's all there is to comics right?
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"But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go."
holy fucking shit. are we talking about Oz the HBO show? because i thought we're talking about a fucking superhero movie. why the fuck would he want bruce wayne to get raped? what purpose would that serve besides showing how edgy his movie is. i hope your movies bomb you hack.
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Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2016, 11:25:23 am
It's a miracle Watchmen remained as faitful as it did (faithful enough)
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 27, 2016, 03:50:29 pm
probabbly because rape, sex and murder were part of the story
and how can you say you like batman if you've never wanted to see him getting raped in a prison?! you people aren't true fans until you embrace bat-sodomy
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Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2016, 04:00:50 pm
That's the joke. Coulda been worse, Rorschach could have gotten raped in that prison scene.
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Post by: Iced on April 27, 2016, 04:02:50 pm
He probably thinks the movie failed because they convinced him to not put in Batman getting raped in prison.
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Post by: Gennos on April 27, 2016, 04:15:14 pm
that's what's this shallow idiot thinks is a good movie. not a good story, not well developed characters. just horrifying things happening for no reason but to "out-dark" nolan, like it's a damn contest.
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Post by: Thedge on April 27, 2016, 04:28:49 pm
Funny thing he complains about everyone knowing what happened to Bruce Wayne's parents and yet he had to put the very same scene in the first movie he makes with Batman in it.
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Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2016, 04:38:51 pm
But but but that was important to get the name of the mom ! And give the two guys a reason to stop fighting, since they have literally nothing else in common ! It pays off, you see.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 27, 2016, 04:49:01 pm
It's like poetry, everything rhymes
Like orange and something that rhymes with orange
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Post by: Iced on April 30, 2016, 03:02:03 pm
Zack Snyder, you're officially ruined the DCCU. :(
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Post by: Byakko on April 30, 2016, 04:32:49 pm
the Marvel topic said:
DC on suicide watch
It was foretold.
I wonder if they'll actually understand that they did it all wrong with the choice of directors and writers or if they'll just think comic book movies don't work (it would be weird after Nolan and Marvel, but hey, they're weird like that, it could happen). And if they understand, I wonder how long it'll take for them to come back from it. Maybe they could just wait until Marvel is mostly done and then take over that mantle with more fantastic comic book movies.
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Post by: Bea on April 30, 2016, 04:43:12 pm
I, for one, wouldn't mind if they decided to drop it all for now to give themselves time to figure out how Marvel is making their cinematic universe work and then reboot the whole thing. So far, it has been a mess. Would be sad to not get a Affleck Batman solo film, but otherwise, nothing much good is being lost. Maybe Suicide Squad, which Leto is working diligently to ruin.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 30, 2016, 04:56:21 pm
Yeah, the foundation is unsound. I'd rather them take another ten years than continue this universe. Maybe take a further interest in TV or animation.
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Post by: Gennos on April 30, 2016, 05:10:30 pm
there doesn't need to be another reboot universe, there's some salvageable stuff from zack's movies. i'd rather they drop justice league for now, and work on solo movies. push out the batman and the wonder woman movies, make a reboot movie for green lantern, and other movies. don't just drop us into a movie where we don't know half of the main characters.
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Post by: Tyrant Belial on May 01, 2016, 10:49:53 pm
If they get rid of Zack Snyder there's hope but that won't happen.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2016, 05:32:51 am
Warner has named Ben Affleck as an executive producer for the Justice League movies (https://deadline.com/2016/05/ben-affleck-justice-league-executive-producer-zack-snyder-warner-bros-chris-terrio-1201750654/), presumably to try and keep Snyder from making another movie like Batman V Superman.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 07, 2016, 06:00:26 am
Yeah, that's what they said about Nolan the first time and Terrio the second time.
Still not gonna waste my money on the third.
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Post by: Iced on May 10, 2016, 01:36:01 pm
Its not their movies that are bad, its disney that is paying off them critics!
Or so say the people that created a petition to get Disney to stop paying critics. com/uk/movies/x-men-apocalypse/40548/petition-launched-to-stop-disney-from-paying-critics
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 10, 2016, 02:26:12 pm
Link for Iced's article http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/x-men-apocalypse/40548/petition-launched-to-stop-disney-from-paying-critics
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Post by: Gennos on May 10, 2016, 02:47:18 pm
just tell him to fix his post :|
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 17, 2016, 03:45:23 am
Warner is mulling the idea of a Harley Quinn-centered spinoff movie (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/margot-robbies-harley-quinn-movie-894486). But it wouldn't exactly be a solo movie; it'd involve several other female heroes and villains, apparently focusing on the Birds of Prey and/or Batgirl.
the basic idea sounds pretty cool (the Birds of Prey in a movie of their own!) but I mean... pretty hard to get excited about future DC movies, given their track record...
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 17, 2016, 04:31:25 am
I'll give anything non-Snyder a chance, but I'm definitely waiting until at least Suicide Squad comes out to get enthused about anything Harley related.
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Post by: Bea on May 17, 2016, 11:50:17 am
Usually, I would be pretty excited about it. But yeah, it is current DC. Let's wait to see how Suicide Squad performs and if Snyder's name doesn't show up anywhere in this Harley "solo" film.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 19, 2016, 04:36:30 am
Warner Bros has initiated a major shake-up in their DC Films division. (http://deadline.com/2016/05/dc-films-batman-v-superman-geoff-johns-jon-berg-1201758630/) DC's chief creative officer, Geoff Johns (a longtime comic book writer, mostly for DC, who also has helped establish the recent spate of DC TV shows) and Warner Bros Executive Vice President Jon Berg will now co-run DC Films, which itself has been set up as its own division within the studio (previously, it existed merely as an internal production banner).
Warner says that DC Films is absolutely not an attempt at copying the methods and success of Marvel Studios, and that their "director-driven" approach to the movies they put out will go unchanged, but like... it's really, really hard not to see it that way?
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Post by: Bea on May 19, 2016, 04:41:58 am
If this takes even more power from Snyder, I am all for it.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 19, 2016, 04:47:14 am
We're probably never gonna find out (or it'll take 20 years and then it'll come out in an unauthorized tell all or something), but it's really hard to escape the sense that that's exactly what Warner is doing. And I mean, it does make sense!
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Post by: JustNoPoint on May 19, 2016, 04:58:56 am
I just watched the FlashPoint animated movie and all I could think is "why can't they let the creatives behind these make their DCU?!!!" It was even dark and gritty! But man it was good. How can they make so many gems in their animation movies and TV series yet have their biggest form be so bad?
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Post by: Foobs on May 19, 2016, 05:10:16 am
Because their animated movies are low risk/low reward endeavors transparently aimed at nerds and not a mainstream audience, and as such the upper brass at Warner doesn't chime in to fuck everything up.
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 19, 2016, 05:17:47 am
it's also funny that the marvel animated movies have been pretty meh...
also, even though i love batman as much as everybody else i would really appreciate they started doing movies based on their other heroes. and even if they keep doing batman movies i also want them to stop centering on damian who i simply cannot stand and has been the center of attention for the past... 5 movies or so
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 19, 2016, 05:45:26 am
I'd be fine with those movies if Damian would evolve as a character as much as he did in the arcs they're based on. He's been learning the same lesson about trust and teamwork every movie. I only made it through the last one because of Starfire's magical girl transformation sequence.
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Post by: Iced on May 27, 2016, 02:50:05 pm
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Post by: Bea on May 27, 2016, 03:59:52 pm
There is one factor that can ruin the Suicide Squad film, and that is Jared Leto. :|
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Post by: SlySuavity on May 27, 2016, 08:59:17 pm
Heath Edger if I ever saw it.
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Post by: Iced on June 02, 2016, 06:30:40 pm
THE R RATED VERSION IS HERE!
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Post by: Bea on June 02, 2016, 06:34:08 pm
... That looks even worse than the theatrical release. :'(
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Post by: SlySuavity on June 02, 2016, 07:18:25 pm
I don't any cut could salvage this mess.
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Post by: Gennos on June 02, 2016, 07:27:02 pm
a cut that has more actions scenes and less dialogue could be marginally better. it doesn't seem to be this cut anyways, im noticing new dialogue scenes in the trailer on top of the cringy pre-existing ones.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 03, 2016, 01:01:32 am
Ah those DC drones... (http://i.giphy.com/l3V0gSRos7CWgAmt2.gif)
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on June 03, 2016, 03:31:37 am
Ultimate Edition... Pfffffffffff. Still crap and always will be a crap.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 03, 2016, 06:13:13 am
After the original director for The Flash (who, again, has never directed a movie before) quit over creative differences, Warner Bros got their act in gear and hired acclaimed director Rick Famuyiwa (Dope, Confirmation (http://deadline.com/2016/06/the-flash-rick-famuyiwa-dope-dc-comics-warner-bros-1201766332/) to direct one of their valuable tentpoles.
Very glad to see they're still getting such great directors to helm these movies (as opposed to, say, screenwriters who rewrote Pride and Prejudice but with zombies this time, and who directed a few episodes of a TV show one time), but it's still hard to be particularly hopeful about any of their upcoming movies!
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Post by: Bea on June 08, 2016, 11:59:08 am
So... well, that "edgy" Leto's Joker is soooo fucked now. The brand "new" Commissioner Gordon decided to give up on Spiderman photos and hit the gym pretty hard to go full Master Roshi. Who needs Batman when you have a Commissioner Gordon like this? :P
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Post by: -Ash- on June 08, 2016, 12:14:42 pm
That feel when you're probably 1/3 of his age and not even close to his built. :(
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Post by: Thedge on June 08, 2016, 09:49:13 pm
Lol, is that J.K. SImmons? I saw it on your facebook and thought it was indeed a Roshi cosplayer, lol.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 09, 2016, 04:23:29 am
Obviously this means he's gonna become the next Batman, like he did in the comics: (http://i.imgur.com/UA723um.jpg) (it seriously would be pretty fucking rad to see, though!)
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Post by: Bea on June 09, 2016, 12:24:14 pm
That would be sweet. But I think they will try to make up for all their mistakes by having Darkseid showing up and Gordon punching him in the face! Then all will be forgiven.
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Post by: Iced on June 10, 2016, 12:23:28 am
DC News is here with suicide squad merchandise news! YEAH BOY now you too can be a suicide squader http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/06/08/suicide-squad-merchandise-line-revealed-2/12
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Post by: Bea on June 10, 2016, 12:50:28 am
... What the FUCK is that shit? DC is way past drunk now...
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Post by: SlySuavity on June 10, 2016, 02:12:06 am
Now we can all be sexually depraved sociopaths. Awesome.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 21, 2016, 08:26:36 pm
Justice League is currently filming, and Warner Bros is currently in the midst of a massive press blitz to try and present a new face for the DC films. There's also a bunch of news: (http://i.imgur.com/zhCpNbN.jpg)
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Fueled by his restored faith in humanity and inspired by Superman’s selfless act, Bruce Wayne enlists the help of his newfound ally, Diana Prince, to face an even greater enemy. Together, Batman and Wonder Woman work quickly to find and recruit a team of metahumans to stand against this newly awakened threat. But despite the formation of this unprecedented league of heroes—Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg and The Flash—it may already be too late to save the planet from an assault of catastrophic proportions.
The character Willem Dafoe is playing is... Vulko, a pretty boring Aquaman character. He's basically Aquaman's royal advisor.
Steppenwolf, Darkseid's uncle, is indeed the main villain. He's gonna be looking for three Mother Boxes (advanced New Gods tech, not sure why they're on Earth, or why there's only three of them, or why Darkseid needs them, because in the comics they're standard equipment for nearly all of the New Gods), and has kidnapped a bunch of scientists for some unknown purpose. This big media blitz is Warner's attempt at trying to show that Justice League is not gonna be a repeat of BvS, trying to reassure people that it will be a breath of fresh air. And thus, there's a bunch of headlines out today along the lines of "Justice League: kids can actually watch this one without sobbing", or "Unlike Batman V Superman, Justice League is not a depressing slog", or even "Ben Affleck promises more humor and fun in Justice League".
We'll have to wait and see if all that works out for them. Maybe this new approach will help them correct the missteps they made in making Batman V Superman, and produce a better movie...
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The final costume was Wonder Woman, and just like Batman it's the exact same costume as last time. And again, that's unusual. Just in case we forgot this was a Zack Snyder movie Wilkinson explained the deep crimson of her breastplate by saying it reflects the "centuries of congealed blood of her victims."
oh.
I see.
Never mind then.
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Post by: Bea on June 21, 2016, 08:39:59 pm
... Yeah, it seems nothing will change. :(
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 21, 2016, 08:44:55 pm
Still Snyder, no buy-der
I like the logo though
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Post by: DatKofGuy on June 29, 2016, 01:02:31 am
So I've just watched the. BvS ultimate edition.. and hoo boy.. it may actually be worse than the original theatrical version. I'm quite shocked at myself for not noticing how bad some of the cgi actually is. Also got a better look at the Flash. Kinda reminds me of the new injustice with the armor mods.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on June 29, 2016, 02:49:58 am
So I've just watched the. BvS ultimate edition.. and hoo boy.. it may actually be worse than the original theatrical version. I'm quite shocked at myself for not noticing how bad some of the cgi actually is. Also got a better look at the Flash. Kinda reminds me of the new injustice with the armor mods.
Oh yup, BvS "Ultimate Edition" as i thought, is really even more shitty than the original release. It's just the same shit, just with "even more dark things"... Pffff! ¬¬
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2016, 03:05:21 am
New trailer:
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Post by: Bea on July 10, 2016, 11:48:33 am
It actually has a good possibility of being good and entertaining... providing Jared Leto's "performance" doesn't screws everything up. I do like what I see, save for all his scenes and will definitely be watching this one on the silver screen.
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Post by: lui on July 10, 2016, 11:55:25 am
Idk, aside from the whole used condoms thing im starting to warm up to leto's joker, i honestly think giving him a new spin while still retaining the proper insanity is a smart move, both critically and commercially. Leto has not let me down once on any of his movies and i doubt he will on this one
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2016, 09:56:56 pm
the official Wonder Woman synopsis said:
“Wonder Woman” hits movie theaters around the world next summer when Gal Gadot returns as the title character in the epic action adventure from director Patty Jenkins. Before she was Wonder Woman, she was Diana, princess of the Amazons, trained to be an unconquerable warrior. Raised on a sheltered island paradise, when an American pilot crashes on their shores and tells of a massive conflict raging in the outside world, Diana leaves her home, convinced she can stop the threat. Fighting alongside man in a war to end all wars, Diana will discover her full powers…and her true destiny.
Joining Gadot in the international cast are Chris Pine, Connie Nielsen, Robin Wright, David Thewlis, Danny Huston, Elena Anaya, Ewen Bremner and Saïd Taghmaoui. Jenkins directs the film from a screenplay by Allan Heinberg and Geoff Johns, story by Zack Snyder & Allan Heinberg, based on characters from DC Entertainment. Wonder Woman was created by William Moulton Marston. The film is produced by Charles Roven, Zack Snyder, Deborah Snyder and Richard Suckle, with Rebecca Roven, Stephen Jones, Wesley Coller and Geoff Johns serving as executive producers. Warner Bros. Pictures presents, in association with RatPac-Dune Entertainment, an Atlas Entertainment/Cruel and Unusual production, “Wonder Woman.” The film is scheduled for release on June 2, 2017, and will be distributed worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company.
wait, Allan Heinberg and Geoff Johns are writing this? This is new information, and... honestly, pretty disheartening news at that. Allan Heinberg is a pretty good writer but his very brief run on Wonder Woman was a big ol' pile of nothing (it also suffered from absolutely ridiculous delays because Heinberg was too busy working in Hollywood), and worse, it forced the abrubt end to Greg Rucka's run on Wonder Woman, which was probably the greatest Wonder Woman run ever. I'm still mad as heck about all that 10 years later! But it's not exactly a dealbreak. Geoff Johns, though... he has never once handled Wonder Woman well. She's just one of those characters (Batman is another) that he's never gotten a good handle on. So obviously he ended up working on the screenplays for both of those character's new movies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And I'm pretty sure her shitty nu52 origin (wherein she's revealed to be the bastard daughter Zeus) came from him. Speaking of which, I really hope the movie goes with the classic origin! :uhoh:
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 12, 2016, 10:07:53 pm
Didn't Heinberg write the Wonder Woman script in 08
I feel like that was one of the reasons he got his run in the first place
I wonder if it's actually him doing a new script or Johns just punching up the old one
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Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2016, 10:13:36 pm
Didn't Heinberg write the Wonder Woman script in 08
I feel like that was one of the reasons he got his run in the first place
I wonder if it's actually him doing a new script or Johns just punching up the old one
Not that I'm aware of, no. Whedon had a Wonder Woman script in development around the same time, though. The only WW-related stuff I can remember Heinberg working on is his abbreviated run in the comics and a never-produced Wonder Woman show for The CW, in the style of Smallville and Arrow.
I guess it's possible that they took an old script (and abandoned the one Jason Fuchs wrote, who was announced as the screenwriter for this movie over a year ago and is now nowhere in the credits) of Heinberg's, gave it to Zack Snyder to fit it into the DC Cinematic Murderverse (hence his story credit), and then gave it to Johns to actually rewrite it?
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 15, 2016, 05:47:16 pm
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Post by: lui on July 15, 2016, 09:05:03 pm
Did...did they add nips to the armor?
ITS BATMAN FOREVER ALL OVER AGAIN
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 21, 2016, 06:50:45 pm
Joker Promo
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 21, 2016, 11:53:22 pm
This clip is really fucking cool. Hopefully the rest of the movie will be able to live up to it.
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Post by: Mechy on July 22, 2016, 12:14:12 am
She's adorable!
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Post by: Bea on July 22, 2016, 12:25:12 am
OK, Viola Davis' Amanda Waller is definitely delivering. I hope the final cut of the film will deliver too. I am just still a bit worried because Jared Leto.
I mean, look at this: https://www.facebook.com/imdb/videos/10154486467743949/ :O
I need to find an Youtube link of that trailer.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 22, 2016, 12:31:41 am
Yeah, Davis is pretty much killing it as Waller:
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Post by: DelusionTrim on July 22, 2016, 05:39:02 pm
Can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I'm legitmately looking forward to see Jai Courtney in this movie. I find him pretty bland in general, but his character in this movie seems interesting to say the least.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 23, 2016, 01:13:48 am
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Post by: Mechy on July 23, 2016, 01:18:15 am
WE. COULD. NOT. FIGURE. OUT. MORE. THEN. TWO. WORDS. THAT. START. WITH A. W. AND. SOUND. GOOD. ON. A. MOVIE. POSTER
Is that really official? That outfit looks way too bright for the DCCU.
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Post by: Mgbenz on July 23, 2016, 01:21:04 am
Holy hell she looks anorexic.
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Post by: Bea on July 23, 2016, 02:21:23 am
The lack of muscle in those arms is daunting, yes.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 23, 2016, 09:19:44 pm
This looks promising?
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Post by: Bea on July 23, 2016, 09:26:17 pm
It seems the film will focus too much on the warrior part of Wonder Woman, but yeah, that looks kinda promising. It has more colour than BvS at the very least.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 23, 2016, 09:26:42 pm
My GF liked the trailer, never read a DC comic only knows about Wonderwoman from images. I liked the trailer too, also never read a Wonderwoman comic but watched the classic tv series and know a bit about her from games like Injustice.
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Post by: MAO11 on July 23, 2016, 09:39:07 pm
idk if this belong here but have you guys seen the killing joke animation?
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Post by: Titiln on July 23, 2016, 09:42:48 pm
no it belongs here http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2271675
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Post by: HadeS on July 23, 2016, 09:43:31 pm
Justice League.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 23, 2016, 09:43:48 pm
idk if this belong here but have you guys seen the killing joke animation?
we are talking about in the general entertainment thread
on another note. http://comicbook.com/2016/07/23/justice-league-footage-shown-at-san-diego-comic-con/ meh...just meh...
also actual color (http://i.imgur.com/yrboMo6.jpg) Flash looks shit though
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Post by: GTOAkira on July 23, 2016, 09:49:22 pm
This wonder woman just dosent look right to me. In fact im not feeling any of them
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on July 23, 2016, 09:51:18 pm
I really like the end of Wonder Woman's trailer. :XD: Wonder Woman is kinda promising. About JL, didn't like this Barry Allen, Cyborg looks neat and Aquaman seems to be such a badass one. :P
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Post by: Bea on July 23, 2016, 09:53:04 pm
And then there is this...
Batman is now Nick Fury, trying to put together a team of extraordinary people... And they even joke during the trailer... And take a jab at Aquaman with the whole "you can talk to fish" thing...
I am not sold... yet.
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Post by: Titiln on July 23, 2016, 09:55:41 pm
that's the third time this has been posted in this page
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 23, 2016, 09:58:46 pm
All good things are three ;-)
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 23, 2016, 10:00:31 pm
that's the third time this has been posted in this page
hades posted the wonder woman trailer at first, was changed after i posted my post
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Post by: S. Jetstream on July 23, 2016, 10:04:44 pm
Not a fan of the suits. Anyways, trailer was good(as a concept of only a trailer and not revealing the whole movie plot).
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 23, 2016, 10:06:13 pm
Yikes, that Justice League footage is dire. Really night and day compared to the Wonder Woman trailer. :-/
The costumes all look like shit too, except maybe Wonder Woman's, which actually looks pretty decent in color (still could use some major touching up, though)
It seems the film will focus too much on the warrior part of Wonder Woman, but yeah, that looks kinda promising.
Hopefully there will be a lot of focus on her as a diplomat and ambassador in the actual movie, and they're just showing off the action scenes in the trailer.
But even assuming that, there's still plenty of reason to be apprehensive.
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Post by: HadeS on July 23, 2016, 10:07:22 pm
It seems the film will focus too much on the warrior part of Wonder Woman, but yeah, that looks kinda promising.
Hopefully there will be a lot of focus on her as a diplomat and ambassador in the actual movie, and they're just showing off the action scenes in the trailer.
But even assuming that, there's still plenty of reason to be apprehensive.
I hope for that too. The footage seen in the trailer has me cautiously optimistic about how the film will turn out, at least. If they can show her other strengths in it, all the better.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 23, 2016, 10:46:52 pm
I'm not terribly blown away by the Wonder Woman trailer. I like the color, I like the setting, but I feel weirdly put off by her going at regular soldiers with a sword and shield and not really using her bracelets at all or her lasso to do, well, Wonder Woman things. I can hope all I want that they just decided to put all the action stuff in the trailer but hoping that things will be okay hasn't turned out well for me with this Cinematic Universe thus far.
No comment on Justice League as I have made my intentions to sit this one out very plain and there is no chance of swaying me from that position.
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Post by: Bea on July 23, 2016, 11:01:41 pm
OK, I am now confident that not even Leto can ruin this. This is going to be so much fun. I can't wait to see it on the silver screen. :D
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 23, 2016, 11:11:07 pm
Okay, that still looks like that'll be a cool movie.
Of course there's "ye olde blue laser shooting into the sky" superhero movie cliche but Will Smith's cracking jokes, man!
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Post by: Byakko on July 24, 2016, 01:17:45 am
Wonder Woman having colors is even more impressive given it's in ww1 which is always grey and cloudy. Really annoyed by the "I'm putting together a team" speech, in both JL and SS. In jl, that only serves to emphasize the fact that this isn't a team that built itself naturally and organically by superheroes just hanging around and becoming friends and knowing each other, going through a lot together. No, Batman walked around picking up complete strangers. But Ezra Miller seems to be ready to do a decent Flash ? SS puts a lot of work on its soundtrack. It also shows some work on it for the other two films, so it really looks like they made a big shift on all their movies ? Only problem is that it only emphasizes how they made three movies at once and shoved sideways everything they could, also at once, after seeing bvs go up in flames. That's just not how Marvel got successful.
Oh, with Batman being already (relatively) old, and at this speed, maybe we'll see a "passing the Batman mantle" scene some day with Nightwing. (Just something that came to mind when seeing Batman picking up people while unmasked, which is weird enough)
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Post by: Niitris on July 24, 2016, 10:18:36 pm
Catching up, wow that JL trailer was underwhelming. And lol at those costumes, particularly the red tin man known as Flash.
At least Suicide Squad's looking tight. Wonder Woman movie looks cool too.
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Post by: DelusionTrim on July 24, 2016, 10:45:05 pm
Anyone mind telling me why a good amount of people are skeptical about Jared Leto in Suicid Squad? I've always thought he is a good actor :V
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Post by: Mechy on July 24, 2016, 10:49:46 pm
Well firstly is that he just looks pretty stupid in most of the promo images. Secondly is that he's trying to hype up his role by supposedly doing the whole "extreme method acting" thing and how he was made crazy by the role and all the other cast members are scared of him. Not to mention sending them used condoms and shit like that. It comes off as really tryhard and cringy.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 24, 2016, 10:55:11 pm
He also sent dead pigs, bullets, used condoms, and anal beads to his fellow actors, all in the name of some bullshit extreme method acting and "staying true to the Joker." It all comes off like a child's attempt at out-doing the method acting Ledger did.
And personally, I just don't think he's that great of an actor. Like there's no depth there, only flashy substance.
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Post by: Niitris on July 24, 2016, 11:02:38 pm
And sticky playboy mags.
Pretty much, it's more childish than anything else. Didn't know the Joker was hormonally stressed too.
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Post by: Byakko on July 24, 2016, 11:05:29 pm
And remember it all started with that one shot of Leto with tattoos and braces that people absolutely went raving over, and DC immediately jumped saying "no no no no no guys that's just a promotional image for something completely unrelated, it's not his movie design at all !" And then it totally was.
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Post by: Luis Alejandro on July 25, 2016, 10:00:55 pm
Do post about the animated movie series go here? Anyways..about the new batman killing joke movie....
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It was meh Batgirl sleeps with batman, which I didn't know even happened?!? Was that something they just added for the movie? It was really really off putting and not in batmans character at all..I almost wanted to stop watching from there .. This was before joker was even in the movie still. Rest of the movie was faithful to source I think. Mark hamil is so amazing
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 25, 2016, 10:27:34 pm
There was a long discussion about it over in the general entertainment news thread but it's died down over the weekend.
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The first 30 minutes of the movie is all brand new material, designed to pad out the story to feature-length and give Batgirl a bigger role in the story.
Reception to these additions have been very negative, to say the least. Cuz it's creepy and gross as shit!
Kiersey Clemons (of Dope fame) will be playing Iris West in The Flash (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/the-flash-movie-kiersey-clemons-iris-west-1201822282/)
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Post by: Bastard Mami on July 25, 2016, 11:41:41 pm
Do post about the animated movie series go here? Anyways..about the new batman killing joke movie....
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It was meh Batgirl sleeps with batman, which I didn't know even happened?!? Was that something they just added for the movie? It was really really off putting and not in batmans character at all..I almost wanted to stop watching from there .. This was before joker was even in the movie still. Rest of the movie was faithful to source I think. Mark hamil is so amazing
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[16:40] <SatouSei> I hope they adapt the batman comic where robin gets killed [16:40] <SatouSei> and they add a scene where batman has sex with robin [16:40] <SatouSei> and that would be less weird than what they did to the killing joke
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Post by: Iced on July 28, 2016, 12:04:40 pm
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 29, 2016, 02:56:13 am
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Then again, it could be worse. "If the Joker did this interview," Leto says at one point, pretty much out of nowhere, "he'd definitely castrate you and make you eat your own testicles. Just for fun. That's if he liked you."
tale Joel Kinnaman (Rick Flag) has revealed that director David Ayer, whom I’m increasingly convinced might actually be evil, made him watch classified military videos that Kinnaman calls “horrific shit.”
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Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Killer Croc) apparently spent his long time in the make-up chair listening to tapes of the Japanese cannibal Issei Sagawa.
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Courtney: “We were interrogated by detectives.”
Colbert: “Like really interrogated?”
Courtney: “Yeah, kinda. It was all part of this process. And there were these sessions that were happening and people were kinda walking out of them like it was some bizarre sort of therapy and everyone was saying, ‘Did you see the police guy?’”
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I turned up to discuss my look, expecting we’d have a long discussion and slowly he refine it. David [Ayer] just walked right in, picked up some clippers and started shearing chunks of hair off my head, Eventually he said, “You look like bad news.” Then he left.
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Post by: QuickFist on July 30, 2016, 01:30:20 am
Edgy
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Post by: Mechy on July 30, 2016, 01:38:40 am
I am kinda interested if any of that actually reflects in the movie itself at all. Somehow I doubt it.
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Post by: SlySuavity on July 30, 2016, 09:22:44 am
Dubious is right, given the PG-13 tag.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 31, 2016, 04:31:26 pm
tale Joel Kinnaman (Rick Flag) has revealed that director David Ayer, whom I’m increasingly convinced might actually be evil, made him watch classified military videos that Kinnaman calls “horrific shit.”
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Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Killer Croc) apparently spent his long time in the make-up chair listening to tapes of the Japanese cannibal Issei Sagawa.
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Courtney: “We were interrogated by detectives.” Colbert: “Like really interrogated?” Courtney: “Yeah, kinda. It was all part of this process. And there were these sessions that were happening and people were kinda walking out of them like it was some bizarre sort of therapy and everyone was saying, ‘Did you see the police guy?’”
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I turned up to discuss my look, expecting we’d have a long discussion and slowly he refine it. David [Ayer] just walked right in, picked up some clippers and started shearing chunks of hair off my head, Eventually he said, “You look like bad news.” Then he left.
So, related to all this: Jared Leto let it slip in an interview that all that talk about him sending dead pigs and used condoms to his costars was all "rumors"? (http://comicbook.com/2016/08/02/concept-art-of-ghostbusters-weapons/) Which basically confirms what many people were saying about all these craaaaaaaaaazy stories about Leto from the set: that they're all a bunch of fake shit from the PR department, designed to provoke shock and gain publicity. And potentially, all the stories above are just talking points handed out to the actors for this big press blitz.
Which, to be clear, does not mean that everything's all cool because all this stupid edgy shit Leto was purported to have done didn't actually happen, maybe. It's still idiotic as shit, and it says a lot about Leto, and about Warner's PR department that they all thought this was a great idea to show how edgy and badass the movie is gonna be. It almost feels like elementary school behavior, or something. It all reinforces the idea that fundamentally, Warner/DC is very insecure about making movies about superheroes, and that's why it keeps finding ways to make it seem more adult and mature than the source material. >.>
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Post by: DatKofGuy on August 02, 2016, 12:07:46 pm
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on August 02, 2016, 01:13:11 pm
"We know director David Ayer is a fan of F-bombs, considering he's already lobbying for an R-rating for Suicide Squad 2. He made his fandom even more clear at the New York premiere for Suicide Squad tonight when he reportedly joined the crowd in a chant of "Fuck Marvel."
Well, I would have joined that chant as well, just for fun..and for fuck's sake :-)
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Post by: Iced on August 02, 2016, 01:19:21 pm
Found the contrarians mad about people enjoying Pokemon Go.
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Post by: lui on August 02, 2016, 06:44:28 pm
Suicide squad reviews are in
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its not good. Many critics are saying while the cast is stellar and do fantastic work with what theyre provided with, the story is a complete mess and the villains and JOKER are wasted (the movie doesnt even explain why or how he got his tattoos!) this is not a good sign
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Post by: Iced on August 02, 2016, 06:49:16 pm
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Post by: Titiln on August 02, 2016, 09:40:36 pm
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8,000 music cues glue the splintered Suicide Squad together, including Guardians of the Galaxy's playlist keystone, "Spirit In The Sky."
(http://imgur.com/GJz3wQz.gif)
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Post by: Byakko on August 02, 2016, 09:49:01 pm
Oooh, so that's why the SS trailers suddenly got loaded with music, it was imitating GotG, leaving Avengers for the Justice League...
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2016, 10:07:14 pm
Damn, this is pretty disappointing. I thought this might be really good! It had such potential!!!
I just want to see a good DC movie. :(
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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 02, 2016, 10:10:20 pm
I'm probably still going to see it because Captain Boomerang is in it.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 02, 2016, 11:06:21 pm
I'm still going to see it but that's definitely going to temper my expectations
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Post by: DatKofGuy on August 03, 2016, 01:12:21 pm
Butthurt dc fans are butthurt http://comicbook.com/2016/08/02/dc-fans-create-petition-to-shut-down-rotten-tomatoes/
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Post by: HQ on August 03, 2016, 01:35:57 pm
Don't know if it had been posted before, but I just read that review here: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/02/suicide-squad-is-a-huge-mess (http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/02/suicide-squad-is-a-huge-mess)
"Suicide Squad is a mess from beginning to end. Deadshot is introduced no less than three time" "But this is the big problem with the movie - it’s a shambling mess whose script clearly never cohered, and whose reshoots only muddied the waters further. The structure is bad, the pacing is off and the stakes are often obfuscated."
The article has listed more problems and movie faults that might be some bigger spoilers so be aware.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on August 04, 2016, 12:15:16 am
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: SNT on August 04, 2016, 09:55:29 am
Saw it. It's not a good movie, but it's not bad either. Basically it's two hours of the trailers, fun all the way through.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
CLASSIC FUCKING HARLEY APPEARANCE BTW
LIKE FULL ON THIS COVER IN FULL MOTION (http://i.imgur.com/VC3WbLA.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad is OK, actually
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on August 04, 2016, 10:01:39 am
One of my favourite movie review sites gave it a 7, I guess its alright
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: GENOCIDE CUTTAH XIV on August 04, 2016, 11:51:31 am
IMDB has it on a 7,8 (it was 8,5 yesterday so it might fall further down). Still i'm going to watch the movie myself and form my own opinion. These movie reviews can't be trusted (Rotten tomatoes has Ghostbusters at 73% fresh after all. While at IMDB it falls low and has a 5,4)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 04, 2016, 05:52:05 pm
it's not a good movie but it's still the best dc movie since batman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Cybaster on August 04, 2016, 06:25:31 pm
I saw it at a premiere. Fucking horrible movie. - The scenario is inexistant, and has plot holes bigger than the Death Star. - The pacing is bad, the action is subpar and the whole movie in 3D almost made my head dizzy. - The supposedly funny moments actually aren't. - They put random musics in there just because, and which serve no purpose. - The Joker has no charisma. I usually enjoy Jared Leto, but here the Joker is just a punk gangster with tattoos coming straight from the 50s.
Margot Robbie, with her nice looks (that's an understatement) and decent acting help a little, but clearly can't save the movie. The only good thing about this movie is that it lasted 1 hour less than Batman V Superman, which made the suffering shorter...
Grade : 3/10
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Niitris on August 04, 2016, 06:37:30 pm
I was gonna go see this tonight too since I'm off work. But hearing all the reviews that resemble the script being rushed, guess I can hold off. Too many other things I wanna do, and I wasn't interested enough to dedicate hours into this unconditionally.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Jmorphman on August 05, 2016, 03:52:31 am
IMDB has it on a 7,8 (it was 8,5 yesterday so it might fall further down). Still i'm going to watch the movie myself and form my own opinion. These movie reviews can't be trusted (Rotten tomatoes has Ghostbusters at 73% fresh after all. While at IMDB it falls low and has a 5,4)
Those IMDB ratings are almost entirely from people who haven't seen the movie yet (because it's not out yet), rating it a 10 in response to the poor reviews.
Movie reviews can absolutely be trusted: at the end of the day, they're just the opinions of other people. Everyone is gonna have their own specific tastes and preferences, so it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with reviews. But that doesn't mean they're invalid.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: SNT on August 05, 2016, 05:05:00 am
My advice is don't go in expecting a Suicide Squad movie, because that's not what this is. Sure, all the other characters get touched upon, but the movie's a character vehicle for a DCCU Harley Quinn, an acid test of whether mainstream audiences will dig a character like her. Hell, even the DC and WB logos were plastered with red and black diamonds and CRAAAZY misspelled scrawly words, it's clear as day.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: SlySuavity on August 05, 2016, 08:03:16 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Does Batman do a lot in this movie, at least?
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Post by: SNT on August 05, 2016, 09:05:46 am
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He arrests Deadshot and Harley, and Bruce offers to protect Waller in exchange for info on the metahumans she was after (Flash and Aquaman are in the file). She knows he's Batman, he knows she runs SS, and tells her to shut it down before his friends (at this point just Wondy I guess) do it for her.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: rhiggatwat on August 05, 2016, 05:49:11 pm
Ugh. What a massive let-down the DCEU has been thus far. Is there any chance that the Geoff Johns written Wonder Woman could be any good? Who knows at this point. It certainly won't be if WB keeps pulling this shit: http://www.newsarama.com/30497-report-suicide-squad-suffered-behind-the-scenes-editing-woes.html
I don't like the looks of Justice League so far. More of Batman not acting anything like Batman. I really liked the WW trailer, but I also liked the SS trailer, and we see how that turned out. I had a lot of hope. Oh well. I am really enjoying some of the DC Rebirth comics, so I have that. The movies were always secondary to the comics for me. I will say though, as far as future readership...There are going to be a LOT of young Marvel fans...not so many young DC fans, with these movies...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: MAO11 on August 05, 2016, 08:29:41 pm
damn and i'm planning to see that movie this sunday too. if suicide squad is a fail then there's no saving dc movie universe. they should stick to making animation instead.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Reck on August 06, 2016, 05:14:53 am
Why the fuck does every major player in the DCEU know Bruce Wayne is Batman. I understand Waller learns Bruce's big secret in the JL animated series (and perhaps even the books, I haven't gotten that far) But why does Lex Luthor know? I don't like that in this universe everyone is privy to the fact that Wayne is Batman.
I watched SS last night and the movie had its flaws no doubt, but I'm not gonna bullshit and say I was sitting there bored the entire time. The movie was enjoyable, but it was just another popcorn flick.
Spoiler: SS SPOILERS(click to see content)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Rick Flagg is my favorite character from the original SS comic run. I gravitated towards him the most whilst reading. (Him & Bronze Tiger anyway) And this movie makes him out to be such a pussy dude. In the books he can hold his own and then some. (reminds me of Liam Neeson from the Taken series) But he seemed really fucking weak in this flick. I didn't like that the squad had to save him multiple times. Made him seem like a bitch. Joker actually giving a fuck about Harley also seemed kinda weird. She's usually just his play thing. But I did end up enjoying both the characters so eh...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: DelusionTrim on August 06, 2016, 06:56:49 am
So how was Jai Courtney in the movie? He was one of the actors I was most interested in seeing in this movie, main reason being that it seems like he's not bland like he usually is in the movies he stars in... his character caught my attention as he seems to be exquisite in a way.
Anyways, disappointed that the movie is not getting a good reception... then again I was one of those that enjoyed MoS and BvS soooooo maybe I'll like this one too? I guess I should find out...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Foobs on August 06, 2016, 07:25:26 am
He's...Australian. And that's it.
Pretty much every negative review of the film is right; half of the main characters are dead weight and barely have any lines; there's no build up for absolutely anything; the team chemistry is completely shoehorned in the last 15 minutes of the film; fuck Joker Leto.
It's not offensively bad, but it's one of the most brain dead films I've seen in years.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: -Whiplash- on August 06, 2016, 08:26:54 am
I have seen the movie.
It's not offensively bad, like BVS is. Most of the characters are okay. the character that was done the worst was probably the joker as he didn't feel like the joker enough. He basically was a gang boss who was crazy. Also him saving Harley is usually very out of character, but it may be okay early on (as this seems to be) since he isn't bored of her yet.
Captain boomerang was good. I wish he had more lines and was as offensive as the comic book character was, but he wasn't bad. He had my favourite scene in the whole film (which was IMO the funniest). I just wish he had more screen time. If they make a sequel they really, really should focus more on him because if they want to make it funny he's the character they should be using. Not Harley.
The rest of the characters needed more screen time. I understand that Flagg, Harley and Deadshot were the main characters, but honestly if they were going to spend that much time on them they didn't need that many characters. Katana was almost completely irrelevant and were boomerang and Killer Croc they could have not been there and the plot would have been the same for the most part.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: SNT on August 06, 2016, 02:23:09 pm
So how was Jai Courtney in the movie? He was one of the actors I was most interested in seeing in this movie, main reason being that it seems like he's not bland like he usually is in the movies he stars in... his character caught my attention as he seems to be exquisite in a way.
Anyways, disappointed that the movie is not getting a good reception... then again I was one of those that enjoyed MoS and BvS soooooo maybe I'll like this one too? I guess I should find out...
Boomerang was probably the third most important SS member. Harley and Deadshot are the stars, Boomerang was their comic relief number three. Surprised at how he was treated; very Aussie, but not offensively so, rarer than it sounds in US films.
From what I can tell most of the people that are hating on SS claimed to have liked MoS and BvS, so... yeah... But don't compare it to them. Compare the tone of it to Guardians of the Galaxy, but don't go in expecting the same sort of ensemble hero movie, because it's not.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on August 06, 2016, 03:42:01 pm
For reasons, the movie starts on the 18th August here in Germany.
@the ones who saw SS, is it at least a nice Popcorn movie? You know, the kind of movies with some jokes, action and explosions but you don't have to care about a deeper sense or a good story because the jokes and the action is dominating the movie anyway?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Foobs on August 06, 2016, 04:09:03 pm
It's really, really dumb even for a popcorn movie and the jokes aren't that good (the funnier ones are in the trailers already) but yeah, if you bring some noisy friends and shut down your brain for a while it's enjoyable.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Jmorphman on August 07, 2016, 03:13:34 am
Ugh. What a massive let-down the DCEU has been thus far. Is there any chance that the Geoff Johns written Wonder Woman could be any good? Who knows at this point. It certainly won't be if WB keeps pulling this shit: http://www.newsarama.com/30497-report-suicide-squad-suffered-behind-the-scenes-editing-woes.html
The movie's gonna have a $150 million opening weekend (which is absolutely nuts!), but it could very well follow the same path as BvS: huge opening but then it falls off a cliff. Depending on how well it does in the next few weeks, Warner might decide that it'll have to micromanage all the movies more, to prevent a repeat of the sort-of poor performances of BvS and Suicide Squad.
But regardless, I think it's fair to be very worried about Wonder Wonder; it was produced and filmed under the same regime that BvS and Suicide Squad were. Of course, there's still plenty of time left for them to do reshoots, and plenty more time to do extensive edits and re-edits to the workprint. But I don't think Warner is going to learn the right lessons from the two DC movies it released this year; if anything, I almost feel like their attempts at course-correcting could prove to be even more disastrous. D:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Bea on August 07, 2016, 01:14:57 pm
I had fun watching it last night. It is not a good film by any means, but Viola Davis killed as Amanda Waller and Margot Robbie was delightful as Harley Quinn. Will Smith was also a fun Deadshot, but in the end, the film felt too cramped with characters. It felt like there was actually a film there that was butchered to the point of no return. I do hope that a director's cut can fix some of the glaring editing and cut problems the film suffered from.
But at least it was fun.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Thedge on August 07, 2016, 02:48:25 pm
Bea, what do you think of Leto's Joker?
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Post by: Bea on August 07, 2016, 02:57:01 pm
I am still trying to process how the hell we managed to go from Cesar Romero to that... thing... in 50 years time. Leto was the worst part of the film, bar none.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on August 08, 2016, 01:40:20 am
I heard leto did the editing.
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Post by: Titiln on August 08, 2016, 06:17:24 am
i wonder how much of that is on leto and how much of that is on whoever wrote and directed this. i don't think any actor could've saved this rendition of joker
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Gennos on August 08, 2016, 06:40:25 am
the only good act leto ever did was getting pummeled by edward nortan in fight club. but alot of people are saying his scenes in SS were very small, so i guess that should be a plus?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Foobs on August 08, 2016, 06:46:30 am
He gets more screen time than any of the SS members excluding Harley, Deadshot and maybe Flag.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Reck on August 08, 2016, 09:04:42 am
Leto's Joker seems like a different character when comparing him to the Joker of the comics/cartoons (or even the Arkham games) I think the producers etc. made an attempt at being different with this rendition of the character, I don't fault them for wanting to step outside the box, but the execution is what bothers me. Leto just didn't seem "Joker" enough to me. The inclusion of Jonny Frost from Brian Azzarello's "Joker" was cool as fuck and a nice nod to the comic. But other than that, this Joker just seemed like a glorified mob-boss. (Which Silver Age Joker kind of was, so take your pick I suppose.)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: DatKofGuy on August 08, 2016, 09:55:20 am
I'm still wondering how all those "stories" from the set affected the acting? I mean... why did Leto bother sending shit to the other cast if they don't even interact in the movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Gennos on August 08, 2016, 10:06:07 am
supposedly, he had a much larger role in the movie. but it was cut down to tone down the violence so the movie can be screened in china. but that turned out to be a stupid move because the movie got banned from china anyways. the directer's cut should be an interesting watch tho.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: DatKofGuy on August 08, 2016, 02:52:05 pm
So this is why he was hardly in the movie.. too busy fucking around with Rick Ross
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 09, 2016, 01:20:09 am
Warner Bros is reportedly putting Man of Steel 2 into active development. (http://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-puts-man-of-steel-sequel-into-active-development-exclusive/)
Apparently the studio feels that Superman is a "top priority", and that "getting the character right for audiences is of tantamount importance". You could've fooled me, based on what actually make it on screen!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 09, 2016, 01:34:00 am
At this point you might as well call it Superman Rebirth and have a different Superman come in entirely.
The earth has been salted for this one in every way imaginable, down to his secret identity. I don't know if Morrison himself could write something crazy enough to salvage Cavill's Superman.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Bea on August 09, 2016, 01:35:14 am
Warner Bros is reportedly putting Man of Steel 2 into active development. (http://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-puts-man-of-steel-sequel-into-active-development-exclusive/)
Apparently the studio feels that Superman is a "top priority", and that "getting the character right for audiences is of tantamount importance". You could've fooled me, based on what actually make it on screen!
They are absolutely going to do that right, pigs fly and I am a straight family woman.
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Post by: Person Man on August 09, 2016, 05:38:09 am
At this point there's literally only one thing they could possibly do to make their interpretation of Superman any worse:
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 09, 2016, 05:51:34 am
Well hey now, Electric Blue Superman basically ended up being mediocre, all things considered! And that rad-ass costume is leagues better than any of the DCEU's costumes!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Gennos on August 09, 2016, 05:55:18 am
i call for a days-of-future-past'ing of the entire dc universe. keep the actors. change the writers, fire zack snyder, make a convoluted yet okayish time travel story that deletes the events of MoS and BvS. and do it all in a justice league movie so the solo movies can start fresh. yeah... this will never happen.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: -Whiplash- on August 10, 2016, 02:26:17 am
Quote
5) Early interviews showed Captain Boomerang's racism and sexism, but the movie is light on examples of such behaviour, which have apparently been deleted. Most of them were reportedly directed at Katana, to whom Boomerang is attracted to.
:(
Here's a list of stuff that was cut (http://movieweb.com/suicide-squad-movie-deleted-scenes-why-they-were-cut/) but this upsets me the most.
Actually looking at it, there's a lot of joker and Boomerang content that was cut. Disappointing.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on August 10, 2016, 03:30:06 am
i call for a days-of-future-past'ing of the entire dc universe. keep the actors. change the writers, fire zack snyder, make a convoluted yet okayish time travel story that deletes the events of MoS and BvS. and do it all in a justice league movie so the solo movies can start fresh. yeah... this will never happen.
A Flashpoint Movie that restarts the DCEU would be very nice. But it sounds like a pipe dream. :/
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: lui on August 12, 2016, 01:48:50 am
maybe in a few years they might!
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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 12, 2016, 05:01:13 am
I know it will never ever happen and is just a random rumer but WHAT THE
Who other than me would be interested in this?
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 12, 2016, 05:06:30 am
I like Captain Boomerang a lot, but I don't think a solo movie would work that well with him. I think he's a character that works best in a supporting role, constantly getting browbeaten by everyone else.
i call for a days-of-future-past'ing of the entire dc universe. keep the actors. change the writers, fire zack snyder, make a convoluted yet okayish time travel story that deletes the events of MoS and BvS. and do it all in a justice league movie so the solo movies can start fresh. yeah... this will never happen.
i call for a days-of-future-past'ing of the entire dc universe. keep the actors. change the writers, fire zack snyder, make a convoluted yet okayish time travel story that deletes the events of MoS and BvS. and do it all in a justice league movie so the solo movies can start fresh. yeah... this will never happen.
A Flashpoint Movie that restarts the DCEU would be very nice. But it sounds like a pipe dream. :/
The last thing the DC movies need right now is introducing DC Comic's penchant for constantly rebooting shit into incredibly complicated continuity snarls!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Reck on August 13, 2016, 07:12:56 am
The Cinematic Universe DC has "attempted" to build thus far has been a cluster fuck man. I think they were trying to play catch up with Marvel and establish all their major players, but in doing so they blew their loads way too early. I'd say the best thing to do now (At least after JL1) is go down the Days of Future Past route and just ret-con a bunch of their bullshit (Jimmy Olsen dying, Doomsday appearing and disappearing as quick as he did, Lex Luthor figuring out who Batman is, and the blatant mischaracterization of such iconic characters) Just remember that Cap: Civil War was the 13th movie in the MCU, and DC's equivalent to that was wasted in their 3rd flick. DC have built a tremendously convoluted cinematic universe which maybe I shouldn't be mad at considering how convoluted the DC Comics really are.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: lui on August 13, 2016, 09:39:22 am
Kevin Conroy, the god of all Bat-voices, is not happy with how Batman outright kills alot of people in BvS
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Post by: SlySuavity on August 13, 2016, 07:22:08 pm
Couldn't blame him. As it stands, Snyder has a notorious track record of butchering the prominent ideals of superheroes.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Memo on August 15, 2016, 10:24:20 am
I dont understand how rotten tomatoes rated bvs a 27 and suicide squad a 26! Wtf that movie was a shit ton better! Bvs had me falling asleep with all the talking and that lame predictable batman superman fight! Suicide squad was a legit enjoyable movie I liked it even tho it wasn't rated r like it should have been but still for what it was it was good. I read everywhere negative reviews and bs about the cut joker parts but it was good I wouldn't say it was worst than bvs hell nah that's some bs. Lesson learned dont listen to these movie critics and journalist who write negative reviews just go watch it you be the judge.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Jango on August 16, 2016, 03:11:35 am
Suicide squad was a legit enjoyable movie I liked it even tho it wasn't rated r like it should have been but still for what it was it was good.
What does the movie's age rating have to do with how good it is?
Well..its suicide squad so an r rating should of been the way to go.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Jmorphman on August 17, 2016, 12:52:35 am
The original, highly acclaimed run of Suicide Squad, upon which this movie is primarily based on, never really rose above a PG-13, as far as I can recall. This isn't a property that demands an R rating, and it doesn't really sound like any of the (many) problems the movie had would've been solved by them aiming for an R rating.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Memo on August 17, 2016, 01:08:43 am
The original, highly acclaimed run of Suicide Squad, upon which this movie is primarily based on, never really rose above a PG-13, as far as I can recall. This isn't a property that demands an R rating, and it doesn't really sound like any of the (many) problems the movie had would've been solved by them aiming for an R rating.
an r rating wouldn't have fixed any issues the movie has but it would of fit the tone of the comic a lot better. but hey these Hollywood studios dont make the comic movies faith full to the source anyway.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 17, 2016, 01:16:00 am
Well, no, it wouldn't have fit the tone of the comics better. A PG-13 rating is much more in line with the comics that the movie is based upon.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Memo on August 17, 2016, 01:24:44 am
so anybody excited for justice league? I'm looking forward to it but I still don't agree with Ben Affleck being batman. I read somewhere superman with the black costume is making an appearance. lol I wonder if there going to go all out with the death of superman storyline and bring in steel, superboy and that cyborge superman.
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Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2016, 01:28:30 am
that's one way to end the argument i guess
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Memo on August 17, 2016, 01:32:57 am
so anybody excited for justice league? I'm looking forward to it but I still don't agree with Ben Affleck being batman. I read somewhere superman with the black costume is making an appearance. lol I wonder if there going to go all out with the death of superman storyline and bring in steel, superboy and that cyborge superman.
It seems unlikely they'd manage to fit in the 4 replacement Supermen on top of the regular Justice League stuff; the movie's probably ludicrously overstuffed as it is, what with having to introduce all the various Justice League members.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Bea on August 17, 2016, 02:01:15 am
I had very high hopes for Suicide Squad and it ended being merely OK and entertaining. For Justice League I have very low hopes, so I don't want to think what a train wreck it will be.
But please Warner... Wonder Woman HAS to be good. It has to. There is no other option for it.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 17, 2016, 02:14:25 am
While I would love to see Cyborg Superman (I have to specify not the new 52 version, as he's not nearly as interesting of a character).
I can't imagine it. My hope is for them to do something on Supergirl with him, now that they have cast superman.
As for justice league, I don't like the idea for yuga khan as the villain (If he indeed is the villain). If it was me and I was doing a two part movie where the second part has darkseid as the main antagonist, I would have had Libra and some secret society of super villians thing going on ala final crisis, that or Glorius Godfrey could also work, he also goes with the whole "everyone hates super heroes" thing these movies seem to love.
Just what I'd do though.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 17, 2016, 02:36:19 am
I had very high hopes for Suicide Squad and it ended being merely OK and entertaining. For Justice League I have very low hopes, so I don't want to think what a train wreck it will be.
But please Warner... Wonder Woman HAS to be good. It has to. There is no other option for it.
Well... there was an anonymous letter posted a week ago (http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/an-open-letter-to-warner-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-about-layoffs-zack-snyder-and-donuts.php) that claimed to be from an ex-Warner employee. Among other things, the letter castigated the executives at Warner for their mismanagement (not only of the DC movies but other high-profile flops like Pan and Jupiter Ascending), and for shifting the blame onto and firing low-level employees while the higher-ups were spared.
The part where this all connects to Wonder Woman is that letter also claims the rough cut of the movie is just as terrible as Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad, and that the higher-ups at Warner are in an absolute panic.
Now, obviously, this is all completely hearsay. This is all coming from an open letter that's not been verified in any way; it's not like this has been leaked to the press by a source at Warner or anything. It could be entirely fake (indeed, several portions of the letter sound pretty suspicious/wrong), or maybe it's an actual ex-employee who is nonetheless stretching the truth. But after all the mismanagement that's been happening at Warner for the past few years (and I'm not just talking about the DC movies (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/entertainment-news-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread-130545.msg2235944.html#msg2235944)), it's getting easier and easier to believe every outlandish story that comes out!
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Post by: Jango on August 17, 2016, 02:00:00 pm
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An Open Letter To Warner Bros CEO Kevin Tsujihara About Layoffs, Zack Snyder, and Donuts By Gracie Law
Well she did almost get married to David Lo Pan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Trouble_in_Little_China), I think she knows a few things about misguided leadership.
Jokes aside, I won't be surprised if Wonder Woman is a huge piece of shit, and that Warner Bros will ONCE AGAIN not understand what went wrong and fire a bunch of the little guys to stay afloat.
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Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2016, 02:28:18 pm
I'm still cautious, but it's easier to fake a fun trailer with colorful splash screens that don't actually appear in the movie and totally random songs like with Suicide Squad ; according to the WW trailer, there actually is stuff like the glowing gold lasso, it's not like they're going to erase that on the release version, and all the fighting makes more sense since this is dirty WW1 trench battles. And WW herself is doing a lot of acrobatic and dramatic slides, this also shouldn't just disappear from the movie. Well, I say that but then again, scenes seen in most SS trailers just vanished from the final cut, so you never know... The only issue is whether the script will make sense or if editorial recuts and reshoots are going to ruin it again like they did SS. But there will still be glowing gold lassos and all that.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 17, 2016, 03:49:05 pm
At this point, Warner mucking up everything in reshoots and editing seems like it's a very real concern, after Suicide Squad followed in Batman V Superman's footsteps in terms of scathing reviews and an absolutely awful drop-off in box office in their respective second weeks (Squad: 67%, BVS: 69%). To have those two back-to-back from each other? It's gotta have everyone in a panic over there, and that all seems like a recipe for a lot of meddling.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on August 17, 2016, 06:34:55 pm
I'm still cautious, but it's easier to fake a fun trailer with colorful splash screens that don't actually appear in the movie and totally random songs like with Suicide Squad ; according to the WW trailer, there actually is stuff like the glowing gold lasso, it's not like they're going to erase that on the release version, and all the fighting makes more sense since this is dirty WW1 trench battles. And WW herself is doing a lot of acrobatic and dramatic slides, this also shouldn't just disappear from the movie. Well, I say that but then again, scenes seen in most SS trailers just vanished from the final cut, so you never know...
best case, those will be the best scenes form the whole movie and everythign else will be filler.
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Post by: Person Man on August 18, 2016, 03:55:02 am
Oh, this is too good. After tales of his edgelord, tryhard 'method acting' as the Joker became infamous during the pre-launch hype, Jared Leto is now claiming he feels he was "tricked" into playing the role and is so unhappy with the film that he won't even watch the final cut. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/report-leto-feels-tricked-by-original-pitch-for-suicide-squads-joker)
So, one of two things: Either all that shit about dead pigs and condoms or whatever was absolute bullshit made up by Paul Marketing over at Warner to try and capture the edgy teenage anarchist crowd, or Leto saw how much people hated his version of the Joker and is now backpedaling harder than the Tour de France on rewind.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 18, 2016, 04:05:12 am
live look at the DC films division at Warner Bros: (http://i.imgur.com/ej8O8QK.gif)
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Post by: Duos.act on August 18, 2016, 04:05:44 am
Most likely the former.
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Post by: Iced on August 18, 2016, 04:06:16 am
I can totally beleive he is unhappy based on the tales about him recording over a hour of footage.
Getting all that shit done to end up in little under ten minutes of footage for a movie sounds like a waste, he was probably sold on it thinking he would be riding the show and he ended up as a sidenote on the movie.
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Post by: SlySuavity on August 18, 2016, 04:32:31 am
Can't forget about the anal beads. This is going to stick to Leto for a long time.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on August 18, 2016, 05:24:05 pm
not if he uses enough lube
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 18, 2016, 08:30:09 pm
I bet he's gonna get butthurt due to that fiasco
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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 18, 2016, 10:32:38 pm
On the Wonder Woman movie.
Considering it takes place in WWI maybe Enemy Ace will be in it?
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Post by: Saint on August 18, 2016, 10:39:05 pm
Considering it takes place in WWI maybe enemy Ace will be in it?
I think it's more likely that they just include the actual Red Baron
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 18, 2016, 11:15:31 pm
If it's anything like how DC tends to use minor characters, they'll use his real name (Hans von Hammer) on an extremely minor character who also dies immediately.
And he won't be a pilot.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on August 18, 2016, 11:44:26 pm
Oh lord. That would be awful. Though I can imagine them not using his code name.
Considering it takes place in WWI maybe enemy Ace will be in it?
I think it's more likely that they just include the actual Red Baron
This is an incredibly strange thing for me to say, but that'd be dumb.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: apparently Suicide Squad isn't good, actually
Post by: Snakebyte on August 20, 2016, 12:37:24 am
Just saw Suicide Squad. I liked it. I didn't hate Leto Joker, it wasn't good but it wasn't offensively bad. Killer Croc was offensively bad. Batfleck was offensively bad, he looks like a fat man stuffing himself in the suit. The villain was a weird choice, I liked it early on but I have no idea why the appearance change happened and I didn't like it after that. I don't think a MASSIVE TERRIBLE DEMONGOD CRISIS was a good first outing for largely street-level characters, but I still liked the movie overall. Captain Boomerang was kind of just there and received no character development. They were trying too hard with the soundtrack.
I feel like they hit the tone pretty dead-on, and Harley, Deadshot, Diablo, and Waller were all done pretty damn well.
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Post by: Memo on August 20, 2016, 12:44:17 am
Just saw Suicide Squad. I liked it. I didn't hate Leto Joker, it wasn't good but it wasn't offensively bad. Killer Croc was offensively bad. Batfleck was offensively bad, he looks like a fat man stuffing himself in the suit. The villain was a weird choice, I liked it early on but I have no idea why the appearance change happened and I didn't like it after that. I don't think a MASSIVE TERRIBLE DEMONGOD CRISIS was a good first outing for largely street-level characters, but I still liked the movie overall. Captain Boomerang was kind of just there and received no character development. They were trying too hard with the soundtrack.
I feel like they hit the tone pretty dead-on, and Harley, Deadshot, Diablo, and Waller were all done pretty damn well.
el diablo and waller were done good,
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but why the heck they kill off el diablo? he was the coolest in the team!
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Post by: Titiln on August 20, 2016, 12:45:21 am
what's a spoiler
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Post by: Memo on August 20, 2016, 12:47:58 am
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Post by: Jango on August 20, 2016, 06:29:46 am
We saw all the negative reviews and thought "Yes, this is worth $12 (or whatever in your region, not counting soda/popcorn/etc) and 2 hours of my life."
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Post by: Snakebyte on August 21, 2016, 06:30:12 am
I'd say it was. It's no masterpiece, but the reviews are way off. I'd probably give it a 7/10.
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Post by: Foobs on August 21, 2016, 07:11:36 am
SS is a solid 8.5/10 if you enter the theater drunk and stoned and fall sleep halfways through the movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 24, 2016, 09:08:41 pm
Doug Liman (director of Edge of Tomorrow) has signed on to helm Dark Universe/aka Justice League Dark (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/doug-liman-justice-league-dark-dc-warner-bros-1201838857/). This project was originally intended for Guillermo del Toro, but it was shelved because he's so busy. I could've sworn this was explictly cancelled in favor of a direct-to-DVD animated movie, based on the same property but using a different script? But that's not the case: the animated movie is still coming out, and was never intended to act as a substitute for the live action movie, I guess?
also, this is not technically related to the DC movies but I'm not going to post this in the general entertainment news too: Liman was attached to direct the long-delayed Gambit movie, and left that project to direct Dark Universe. This is the second time a director has walked from Gambit!!! And the movie was already looking like it was stuck in development hell before the director walked! So uh yeah its chances don't look too good.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:45 pm
so Ben Affleck posted this https://amp.twimg.com/v/989faec4-2e85-4104-9d68-3f7847fc6c47
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Post by: rhiggatwat on August 29, 2016, 08:04:56 pm
Looks like Deathstroke is in Justice League, confirmed by Ben Affleck. Unless this is some kind of test for the solo Batman movie, but it seems a little early for that... http://www.newsarama.com/30822-did-affleck-just-hint-at-deathstroke-for-dc-films.html
Edit: The Wrap is saying Deathstroke is the main villain in Affleck's Batman film. We shall see. http://batman-news.com/2016/08/29/deathstroke-main-villain-ben-afflecks-batman/
From 'The Wrap': http://www.thewrap.com/deathstroke-will-be-main-villain-in-ben-afflecks-batman-movie-exclusive/
ALSO, current rumor is that The Rogues will be the villains in The Flash movie, and GL WILL appear in JL, but I would take both of those with a grain of salt. Rumor mill: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/26/green-lantern-for-the-justice-league-and-three-other-weekend-rumors/
Still waiting for that "DCEU flick has coherent plot, characters with actual motivation, and editing that makes sense" rumor...Maybe if I want it bad enough, Ben Affleck will give it to me.
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Post by: Gennos on August 29, 2016, 08:19:30 pm
Looks like Deathstroke is in Justice League, confirmed by Ben Affleck. Unless this is some kind of test for the solo Batman movie, but it seems a little early for that... http://www.newsarama.com/30822-did-affleck-just-hint-at-deathstroke-for-dc-films.html
damn, he looks badass as fuck. hope they get him for the solo batman movie and not the trainwreck justise league movie.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 29, 2016, 08:25:33 pm
I'd rather have it be for Batman
Even at a cursory glance JL seems to be full of characters without Deathstroke getting lost in the shuffle
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 01, 2016, 01:00:11 am
Batman has so many interesting villains that have either been adapted poorly or not adapted at all; making frigging Deathstroke the main villain of a Batman movie, over people who are actually Batman villains, just doesn't seem like a wise choice to me.
He'd work pretty well as a guy Batman has to fight in Justice League, though. I don't think Deathstroke is particularly deep or interesting, but he's good in that kind of role.
also jeez, that costume looks terrible. Surely with a blockbuster movie budget they could come up with something that doesn't look remarkably worse than Arrow's Deathstroke outfit, which was done on a TV budget?!?
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Post by: Mechy on September 01, 2016, 01:05:43 am
Dr Simon Hurt for the next Batman movie villain!
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Post by: Byakko on September 01, 2016, 01:06:25 am
also jeez, that costume looks terrible. Surely with a blockbuster movie budget they could come up with something that doesn't look remarkably worse than Arrow's Deathstroke outfit, which was done on a TV budget?!?
Have you seen their Flash ? It's just what they do because they're convinced it looks awesome.
Batman has so many interesting villains that have either been adapted poorly or not adapted at all; making frigging Deathstroke the main villain of a Batman movie, over people who are actually Batman villains, just doesn't seem like a wise choice to me.
On the other hand, most of the bigger names have been done to death in all the previous Batman movies, so... Short of hitting up the lesser known ones (not happening), going for a villain that's apparently been gaining popularity in recent years is the obvious choice.
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Post by: Memo on September 01, 2016, 01:07:29 am
Yall seen the killing joke yet? I liked it
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Batgirl fucking batman on a rooftop lol, did that ever happen in the comics?
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Post by: Byakko on September 01, 2016, 01:09:04 am
Nope, it didn't.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 01, 2016, 01:28:35 am
This thread is for the live action DC movies only. There was a long discussion about The Killing Joke in the generic entertainment news thread, somewhere.
On the other hand, most of the bigger names have been done to death in all the previous Batman movies, so... Short of hitting up the lesser known ones (not happening), going for a villain that's apparently been gaining popularity in recent years is the obvious choice.
I dunno, they're pretty willing to do the big name villains multiple times: they've done Joker three times, Catwoman, Two-Face, and Bane twice; but those can probably be ruled out for the first new Batman movie they're doing, at least. I guess it's still possible they could go with Joker, because they already have Jared Leto. And then there's still Penguin and Riddler and Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze, among the big name villains who've only been used once. And there's still plenty of lesser known villains who've never appeared on screen, like Clayface, Man-Bat, Firefly, or maybe even some newer villains who've been popping up in other media, like Professor Pyg?
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Post by: Gennos on September 01, 2016, 01:34:21 am
Batman has so many interesting villains that have either been adapted poorly or not adapted at all; making frigging Deathstroke the main villain of a Batman movie, over people who are actually Batman villains, just doesn't seem like a wise choice to me.
deathstroke is one of a kind. he's a super powered assassin with as much (if not better) hand to hand combat skills. he also uses gadgets, guns and swords. making him be the perfect adversary and almost like an evil version of batman. now besides red hood and deadshot maybe, find me a batman villain that has all of those and can be give batman a run for his money like him. and don't even get close to the court of owls assassins, those have their own storyline that should be a main focus of movie.
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Post by: Mechy on September 01, 2016, 01:36:50 am
Also yeah Pyg would be great, but he's honestly so disturbing that they would have to kinda water him down for a PG 13 movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 01, 2016, 01:58:26 am
I want a Black Glove adaptation, with the full International Club of Heroes! And they should use different cameras, film stock, and lenses for each individual hero, analgous to the way that each member of the Club is drawn in a different art style in that arc: (http://i.imgur.com/c9F5Qvb.jpg) of course the very nature of the medium of film means that you can't do the exact same thing that the comic can do (have multiple characters shot in different film stock, but appearing the same shot simultaneously), so the effect would have to be limited to shots featuring only that particular character, but I think it would be an incredibly interesting and unique effect.
And no doubt prohibitively expensive/complicated to pull off.
Batman has so many interesting villains that have either been adapted poorly or not adapted at all; making frigging Deathstroke the main villain of a Batman movie, over people who are actually Batman villains, just doesn't seem like a wise choice to me.
deathstroke is one of a kind. he's a super powered assassin with as much (if not better) hand to hand combat skills. he also uses gadgets, guns and swords. making him be the perfect adversary and almost like an evil version of batman. now besides red hood and deadshot maybe, find me a batman villain that has all of those and can be give batman a run for his money like him.
I dunno, Bane completely and utterly broke Batman, both figuratively and literally, and no other villain has ever come close. Deadshot has never really been that big of a deal for Batman in particular.
Batman already has like, 3 different villains (Killer Moth, the Wrath, Talon) who are evil versions of Batman, and they're actual Batman villains, and not a Teen Titan villain-turned general DC villain!
But that's all kind of besides the point. Deathstroke is a good physical menace: he's got actual (albeit low-level) super-powers, and very good hand-to-hand skills (though nowhere near Batman's level), all of which makes him a potent threat. Batman can't just outfight him normally (or at least, he shouldn't), which means he'll have to be clever and outwit Deathstroke to win. And there's definite value in having those kinds of stories...
... but that's all Deathstroke really brings to the table. He's not a particularly deep or complex villain, he doesn't have an especially interesting backstory, and perhaps most crucially, he doesn't reflect back some aspect of Batman in the way that all of Batman's best villains do. Because he was never designed to do so, because he really isn't a Batman villain. And I don't think a Batman movie should ignore all of Batman's actual villains in favor of a guy who's really only interesting for a single fight scene at most.
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Post by: Mechy on September 01, 2016, 02:03:22 am
Batman already has like, 3 different villains (Killer Moth, the Wrath, Talon) who are evil versions of Batman, and they're actual Batman villains, and not a Teen Titan villain-turned general DC villain!
Don't forget The Heretic.
(Cause everyone else does! wark wark)
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Post by: Bea on September 01, 2016, 02:05:23 am
Batman Begins was 11 years ago. Bring back Ra's al Ghul and do him properly this time, with Lazarus pit and stuff.
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Post by: SlySuavity on September 01, 2016, 02:08:05 am
Hard to beat Liam Neeson, though.
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Post by: Bea on September 01, 2016, 02:09:14 am
Batman already has like, 3 different villains (Killer Moth, the Wrath, Talon) who are evil versions of Batman, and they're actual Batman villains, and not a Teen Titan villain-turned general DC villain!
Don't forget The Heretic.
(Cause everyone else does! wark wark)
He's definitely an evil version of Batman, but unlike the the others, he's not an anti-Batman. (which is different!)
In any case, Deathstroke doesn't really fit the criteria for either category.
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Post by: rhiggatwat on September 05, 2016, 05:34:36 pm
I'm kind of hoping that that Deathstroke costume is still an early prototype, and they improve/rework it.
I don't really have any major problems with Deathstroke in a Batman flick, it just depends on the story and how it's done. But what I was really hoping for was that rumor that Affleck was doing a version of Morrison's "Arkham Asylum", that would have really tickled me in just the right place. It could be a masterpiece, if done the right way. But Deathstroke pretty much poo-poos that.
The Black Glove story line would be awesome as well, I would also love to see The Club of Heroes on the big screen. I do kind of think it might be a bit difficult to pull off though. But to be honest, as much as I would love it, I really can't see Geoff Johns reworking a Morrison story for the script. I know he respects him, but he does tend to ignore the story elements Morrison introduces in the comics. Right after Multiversity finished, Johns immediately retconned a lot of it in 'Darkseid War'. DC writers in general seem to have a hard time with anything that comes from Morrison, unfortunately.
Speaking of which, I would kill to see both Morrison's 'Batman & Robin' run and his 'Batman Incorporated' on the big screen. Batman & Robin was such a blast as a series, I loved everything about that run, it's one of my all-time favorite comic book runs.
And could you imagine them doing 'All-Star Superman' as a movie (or maybe a trilogy)? Yeah, me neither.
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Post by: BurningSoul on September 05, 2016, 06:22:14 pm
I hope this Batman movie just cleans up the mess they did in BVS,I wish they put Joker instead of Deathstroke and killed Robin,and tell to the audience that movie takes place before BVS.Now that would make BVS seem better.Because everyone is bitching about this new Batman acting violent.On the other hand wasting an important villian like Joker sounds bad.
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 05, 2016, 07:27:14 pm
now i love the joker ad much as much as the next guy but i'm really getting tired of him stealing the spotlight.
batman has a grear gallery of rouges who rarely get a chance who might make a much more interesting story than "the joker is on the loose again doing crazy shit and will try to prove that he and batman are the same...."
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 08, 2016, 11:16:47 pm
So DC might be getting another casting choice right www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/08/deathstroke-dcs-geoff-johns-confirms-joe-manganiello-casting
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Post by: SlySuavity on September 09, 2016, 09:31:31 am
now i love the joker ad much as much as the next guy but i'm really getting tired of him stealing the spotlight.
Everyone's gotta have a slice of the arch-villain pie. Just how common interest works and sells, really.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 13, 2016, 04:34:33 pm
and the Robin campaigning has begun
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2016, 09:55:10 pm
Sadly, I think the only Robin the DC movies are interested in right now is the dead one.
Pretty crazy how only 2 out of 8 Batman movies feature Robin, a character/concept that's been around only one year less than Batman has, and is pretty inextricably linked to Batman. This is the "tactical Batsuit" (http://i.imgur.com/Dg401Ib.jpg) it looks almost identical to Nite-Owl :pwn:
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Post by: lui on September 14, 2016, 09:59:21 pm
That cowl throws me off, the rest of the suit looks fine imo!
That cowl throws me off, the rest of the suit looks fine imo!
Just seems odd to me that after spending so much time hyping up the BvS Batsuit as being truer to the comics, the very next movie they go back to an armor plated all black ensemble, like every previous Batman movie.
The weird glasses Batman's wearing on top makes it all the weirder.
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Post by: walt on September 14, 2016, 11:24:13 pm
Just seems odd to me that after spending so much time hyping up the BvS Batsuit as being truer to the comics, the very next movie they go back to an armor plated all black ensemble
How much would you say that they hyped up his future of law enforcement (http://ironheadstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Bat-Helmet-4.jpg) Bat Armor in BvS?
The only thing that's clear to me from all of this is that he doesn't wear just 1 suit or armor.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 15, 2016, 02:18:40 am
They went pretty hard in hyping up both of the Batsuits in BvS (both the normal Batsuit and the armored one); it was one of the main things they used while the movie was still in production to differentiate Ben Affleck's Batman from Christian Bale's Batman: this time around Batman would have a grey & black outfit that wasn't overtly armored, just like the comics. And then he'd don the armor from The Dark Knight Returns in the climax!
It just feels weird to me that they'd go back to the look of all the other Batsuits, so quickly, after all that.
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Post by: Thedge on September 15, 2016, 02:59:59 am
Movies were praised when batman had that suit... it must be the suit!!1
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Post by: DatKofGuy on September 23, 2016, 09:25:11 am
Lol, DC fans https://www.change.org/p/warner-brothers-cast-shia-labeouf-as-red-hood-in-the-dceu
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2016, 05:49:49 am
I've given up trying to understand people's fascination with Jason Todd/Red Hood (he stinks! that's why people voted to kill the twerp off in the '80s!), but... why, in God's name, would anyone want to cast Shia LaBeouf in the role? The CEO of Time Warner basically admitted in an investor meeting that the DC films are terrible. (http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/jeff-bewkes-batman-v-superman-suicide-squad-time-warner-1201866932/) :mmhmm:
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Post by: DelusionTrim on September 27, 2016, 10:25:51 pm
To be fair for all the bad rep he gets, Shia Labeouf is quite a capable actor and he was pretty good in Fury. Never heard about Red Hood though so eh can't say much about this.
Anyways, I have faith in Ben Affleck's Batman movie... I have liked the DC movies so far despite their flaws, but I believe that the Batman movie has a legit chance of being received in a more positive light.
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Post by: Byakko on September 28, 2016, 11:05:40 pm
Time Warner CEO on http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/jeff-bewkes-batman-v-superman-suicide-squad-time-warner-1201866932/ said:
The DC Comics characters … have a little more lightness in them than maybe what you saw in those movies, so we’re thinking about that.
Oh wow. About damn time. Well, except
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“The strategy worked,” Bewkes said. “The execution did deliver what we wanted to do. We can do a little better on the creative. … We’re right on course or better” with the plan, he said, citing “Suicide Squad’s” legs at the box office.
So the movie where they just dumped a lot of money on the advertising but the actual content wasn't quite near what was advertised, and people noticed.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 06, 2016, 12:47:51 am
I'm beginning to think this is a running gag
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Post by: Jango on October 06, 2016, 12:59:50 am
Or it's just evidence that DC execs are intervening way too much.
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Post by: rhiggatwat on October 06, 2016, 02:16:17 am
Yeah, that "tactical" batsuit is not so hot, but come on, it's a special suit, no one said that he was going to wear it through the entire movie. He'll probably wear it for 5 - 10 minutes at the most. Much ado about nothing, if you ask me, and even though no one did, I'm saying it anyway.
I just want to know that the plot/characterization will be decent. It's all I really care about at this point. I really don't want a shit Justice League movie.
Shia Labeouf as Jason Todd? NO. PLEASE. Just NO. Not because I dislike him, or care about him at all, but because he is just incredibly wrong for the part. And I don't really care about Todd all that much.
...Although, if they were to do the version of Red Hood from Grant Morrison's "Batman & Robin" run (Revenge of The Red Hood), then I'm all in. Must be in that costume, with his Professor Pyg created sidekick, Scarlet. (http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/074/938/original/bmrob_cv23_02.jpg?1364135229)(http://warmoth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/batman-and-robin-04.jpg)(http://67.media.tumblr.com/959072e16c9fed3e5cfdaf3334054747/tumblr_mzi8ndpwqi1rcbnigo3_1280.jpg) I tend to like everything a lot more when Grant Morrison is penning it. It could make for an awesome flick, you'd get an early Batman battle with Professor Pyg, Death in the Family backstory, and then the best version of Red Hood yet, with his strange Dollotron sidekick.
Of course, they'll never do that. Likewise, if they have Red Hood form a team with Artemis and Bizarro, I'm interested. But they won't do that either. So yeah. I desire well written stories and lots of vivid color and imagination from my DC movies. I expect to be disappointed quite a bit.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 12, 2016, 10:42:55 pm
This actually doesn't look too bad (http://i.imgur.com/Yqb9qGP.jpg)
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 12, 2016, 10:48:23 pm
Yeah, it's definitely one of the better DC costumes.
Of course, it'd look better if Zack Snyder wasn't allowed access to color filters.
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Post by: rhiggatwat on October 13, 2016, 06:34:50 pm
Yeah, it's a shame everything has to be SO dark and colorless. It's gotten boring.
But damn, she looks really gorgeous, ha. I like the suit. She's hot.
As soon as you see her, you think "Mera", so I would definitely call that a success.
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Post by: Reck on October 17, 2016, 02:28:39 pm
Is the Suicide Squad Extended Cut David Ayer's original cut of the flick? Because if it indeed is, I'd have way more interest in it.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 17, 2016, 05:37:44 pm
I bet it's just putting more Joker stuff back in to satisfy Leto
I doubt it does anything significant to restore the pacing back to what Ayer intended
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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 18, 2016, 07:51:15 pm
Is the Suicide Squad Extended Cut David Ayer's original cut of the flick? Because if it indeed is, I'd have way more interest in it.
Nope. Ayer has stated many times that the version that was released is his final vision for the movie.
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Post by: Jango on October 18, 2016, 10:20:49 pm
It's a shame we'll never get Suicide Squad on the Criterion Collection, so we could see how the movie REALLY would have been prior to reshoots/edits. To be fair I always wonder that whenever I hear there was a lot of studio interference, but it's not without reason!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 18, 2016, 10:35:56 pm
It's definitely clear upon viewing the movie that there are scenes missing wholesale
Ayer's a mensch for standing up for the final product (or maybe he just likes work unlike Josh Trank) but if that's the true cut of the movie as he intended I'd be monumentally surprised
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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 19, 2016, 02:21:06 am
It's definitely clear upon viewing the movie that there are scenes missing wholesale
Ayer's a mensch for standing up for the final product (or maybe he just likes work unlike Josh Trank) but if that's the true cut of the movie as he intended I'd be monumentally surprised
Like I said http://screenrant.com/suicide-squad-david-ayer-cut/
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 19, 2016, 02:35:57 am
Ayer's a mensch for standing up for the final product (or maybe he just likes work unlike Josh Trank)
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on October 29, 2016, 07:41:22 pm
SUICIDE SQUAD Extended Cut Blu-ray Trailer, its around 13 minutes longer
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Post by: Jango on October 30, 2016, 10:18:08 pm
Considering they allegedly cut out about half an hour of footage of Leto's Joker ALONE... I doubt the original vision is anywhere near close yet.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 01, 2016, 05:24:41 pm
The Flash has lost its director... again! (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/the-flash-loses-director-rick-famuyiwa-1201905032/) :-\
This is pretty disappointing. The first director they got had never actually directed anything before, so when he left the project and the immensely talented Rick Famuyiwa joined, things were really looking up. But now he's gone too (over "creative differences", natch), and the movie is already deep into pre-production. A lot of roles have already been cast. A director coming in at this stage for any kind of movie already has an uphill climb ahead, but for a big budget blockbuster that will take serious visual dexterity (super-speed is hard to make look good and coherent)? That's gotta be an absolute nightmare.
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Post by: GTOAkira on November 03, 2016, 05:25:51 pm
Wonder Woman trailer
It looks alright.
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Post by: Byakko on November 03, 2016, 06:31:43 pm
Wow, look at all those colors. The grim filters are only on the actual trench battles. Is DC starting to grow up ?
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Post by: HQ on November 03, 2016, 07:02:44 pm
Gal Gadot :swoon:
That bullet slow motion scenes though...let's hope that were all.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on November 08, 2016, 11:45:00 pm
lol so much http://geektyrant.com/news/apparently-ben-afflecks-batman-script-has-some-serious-problems-and-the-studio-doesnt-care
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 10, 2016, 08:56:58 pm
As easy as that is to believe, the source isn't particularly trustworthy, and in fact he recently came out and said things were being exaggerated and that people shouldn't take him so seriously (http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1582130/bret-easton-ellis-walks-back-those-batman-script-rumors), so yeah.
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Post by: Person Man on December 07, 2016, 04:44:18 pm
So, did you hate the Joker's design in Suicide Squad? Did you think that he looked like a Hot Topic edgelord version of the Joker designed by a 14 year old Juggalo? Did you think it couldn't possibly have looked any worse?
Well guess again, buddy. (http://comicsalliance.com/suicide-squad-leto-joker-concept-haha/)
Spoiler: Suicide Squad Joker concept designs(click to see content)
(https://i.imgur.com/EHOrKQZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kBM4qC7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EFTgoof.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/22nmHjg.jpg)
That terrible, terrible, Leto Joker was literally the best that they could do.
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Post by: Iced on December 07, 2016, 04:45:26 pm
Im getting a very strong die antwood vibe from those.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 07, 2016, 05:10:07 pm
Agreed ^^ It's liek they saw Ninja and thought "Hey now dats looking so awesome in the music videos"
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 07, 2016, 06:48:45 pm
Jeez louise.
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Post by: GTOAkira on December 14, 2016, 01:08:48 am
So hey Gotham City Sirens is a thing http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
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David Ayer, Margot Robbie Reteam for All-Female DC Villains Movie 'Gotham City Sirens'
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 14, 2016, 01:15:43 am
Oh cool, a Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, and Catwoman team-up? Harley and Ivy is always a fun pairing, and adding Catwoman to the mix usually produces good results. This should be grea—
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directed by David Ayer
(http://i.imgur.com/eij7sTA.gif)
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Post by: Roman55 on December 14, 2016, 01:39:10 am
Deadshot's getting a solo movie too. (http://comicdrops.com/2016/12/13/deadshot-film-and-suicide-squad-2-in-development/) I'm just kinda wondering why aside from Will Smith.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 14, 2016, 02:00:39 am
Because Will Smith. And I must admit, he brought his Big Willie Style charisma to that movie so I'd take every opportunity under the sun to keep that going if I were Warner Bros. too
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Post by: Titiln on December 14, 2016, 02:11:18 am
maybe they think superhero movies that start with "dead" are a guaranteed success
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Post by: Byakko on December 14, 2016, 02:55:37 am
It's gonna be R-rated isn't it. Has Will Smith done R-rated movies before ?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 14, 2016, 03:03:47 am
I want to say the one he did with Margot Robbie before Suicide Squad was R
Oh and the Bad Boys flicks of course
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Post by: Reck on December 14, 2016, 11:38:54 am
Random thought... Was Suicide Squad supposed to be the DCEU's version of Guardians? Taking a relatively obscure (to the mainstream) comic book property about a "rag-tag" group of misfits that banded together and became some sort of dysfunctional family unit. I'm shaking my head so god damn hard.
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Post by: Mechy on December 14, 2016, 12:29:31 pm
Well considering that also the movie just vomited pop-songs at you like Gotg, yeah it's pretty clear that was the case.
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Post by: Gennos on December 14, 2016, 01:01:47 pm
i can get behind a deadshot solo movie. will smith has more than enough to carry it through. but off course dc executives are gonna fuck it up somehow.
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Post by: Person Man on December 14, 2016, 01:55:25 pm
Random thought... Was Suicide Squad supposed to be the DCEU's version of Guardians? Taking a relatively obscure (to the mainstream) comic book property about a "rag-tag" group of misfits that banded together and became some sort of dysfunctional family unit. I'm shaking my head so god damn hard.
Considering there hasn't been a single DC movie in the last 3 or 4 years that wasn't a slapdash, last-minute attempt to copy something that Marvel or Fox made money doing, I'd say that's pretty likely.
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Post by: GTOAkira on December 15, 2016, 01:59:13 am
Still a rumor
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RUMOR: MEGAN FOX Could Be Up For POISON IVY Role In GOTHAM CITY SIRENS!
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Post by: Titiln on January 08, 2017, 12:13:18 am
a lot of those actors are good, they're just put there because they played a role that blows. the razzies are stupid
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Post by: GTOAkira on January 09, 2017, 05:29:56 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1s7beZUUAAzAKH.jpg) Doesn't look to bad. Not a big fan of Cyborg and Aquaman...
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Post by: rhiggatwat on January 09, 2017, 06:17:49 pm
I don't know, something about that last JL pic makes me think of the "Batman & Robin" movie. I guess Batman's new duds. And every time I see Aquaman I like him less then the last time I saw him. I am preparing for a huge bomb. I love the Justice League, it's oh so very disappointing.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on January 09, 2017, 06:20:07 pm
Aquaman looks like Rob Zombie..around 20 years ago
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Post by: GTOAkira on January 11, 2017, 08:30:11 pm
Wonder Woman villain is Ares http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wonder-womans-villain-revealed-new-images-released/1100-6446817/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 11, 2017, 08:51:55 pm
Not sure how to feel about that reference to a dead Zeus.
I certainly hope it's not setting up Wonder Woman finding out Zeus is her dad and feeling angst about him being sead. Cuz the whole "Zeus is WW's dad" shit is so terrible. It's already been wiped away in the comics, just a few years after getting added in!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 11, 2017, 11:48:54 pm
Hey, don't jump the gun. It hasn't been wiped away yet and considering that Azz had to put that stuff in as a mandate it may end up being the only thing that sticks
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 12, 2017, 07:50:30 pm
Geoff Johns is co-writing, and I heavily suspect he's the one behind that plot point, so I'm very nervous about what will happen with regards to the origin in the movie. I can only hope the relative newness of the reset back to the classic origin in the comics spares the character from having to switch back to the new, shittier origin so quickly. The first few details about the Green Lantern Corps movie have come out: as basically everyone predicted/expected, the movie will star both John Stewart and Hal Jordan, and is specifically described as being like "Lethal Weapon in space". Seems like a pretty sensible way of reviving the property and papering over any memory of the 2010 GL movie, right? Maybe Warner Bros is finally starting to get on track?
I wonder who's writing this thing anyways, let's see... David S. Goyer, the visionary screenwriter behind Man of Steel and Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. (http://deadline.com/2017/01/green-lantern-corps-warner-bros-david-goyer-justin-rhodes-dc-1201884133/)
Welp. At least this time the jar of piss will feel relevant. You know, because Green Lantern rings don't work on yellow?
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 20, 2017, 03:11:33 am
that Shazam movie starring the Rock as Black Adam is getting split into two movies (http://deadline.com/2017/01/shazan-dwayne-johnson-black-adam-1201889902/), with Black Adam getting a movie of his own.
I will not mince words with this: this is absolute, rank bullshit. It was plainly obvious that DC/Warner Bros sees Shazam as merely a delivery vehicle, but now they're even dropping that pretense. Why even bother with Billy Batson at all? Why not just do a whole movie series about DC's golden boy of random, gratuitous absurdly graphic violence?
I mean, clearly no one would be interested in a light-hearted wish fulfillment superhero who was more popular than Superman in the 40s. Why even bother trying?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 20, 2017, 03:33:49 am
I think the decision's less about Black Adam the anti-hero being marketable and more about the Rock being marketable, but I will say that it's crazy that Warner Bros. has spent the last five years searching for the next Harry Potter (to the level that they crawled on their hands and knees to JK Rowling to make more for them) and yet have been strangely hesitant to move forward with Shazam.
I'd be doing that movie before Aquaman, for chrissakes! Is there any superhero concept that is more fitted to "The whole family will enjoy it AKA Bring your fucking kids!" than Shazam?
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 20, 2017, 03:39:39 am
I guess my major problem is that they were deciding between casting the Rock as Shazam or as Black Adam (and he seemed open to both), and they decided on Black Adam., because they perceive him as the bigger draw.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 20, 2017, 03:47:02 am
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he would have been a far better choice for Shazam than Black Adam, but at the same time it may just be that they just thought laterally from Scorpion King to Black Adam and called it a day. In fact, I would not be surprised if the movie is just basically the Scorpion King and they save the tragedy for flashbacks in Shazam.
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Post by: Reck on January 28, 2017, 06:56:55 am
I really wish the DCEU flicks were good. That being said, yes, I do indeed understand that "entertainment" is very subjective, but as a comic book fan I felt BvS didn't do the Death of Superman or Miller's DKR justice. SS seemed like a rush mess and I'll chalk it up to the studio hiring the trailer company to cut the final film. I maintain that Suicide Squad would have been widely well received had the audience watched Ayer's original final cut. Although, now that I think about it... The Joker and Harley seemed very mischaracterized so It's up in the air I suppose. Man of Steel is still the best DCEU movie that has come out thus far and I hope Wonder Woman is able to change that.
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Post by: Snakebyte on January 28, 2017, 07:58:27 pm
I enjoyed Suicide Squad a lot and I'm really not sure what all the hate was about. It wasn't amazing but it was far from terrible.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2017, 05:35:11 am
A stronger lineup of DC movies would be to the betterment of everyone, from DC themselves (obviously), but also to general moviegoers ('cuz it means more good movies!) and even to Marvel (a strong competition forces you to really bring your A-game, and there's less chance of the general audience losing interest in the superhero genre because of a bunch of bad movies from your competitor). I mean jeez, is there anyone who likes superheroes that doesn't want the DC movies to be good? There's so much potential there!
Maybe DC can still turn things around. That Batman movie should have a pretty good chance, right? I mean, at the very least, it's got Ben Affleck directing it, right?
... well, turns out Ben Affleck will no longer be directing The Batman. (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ben-affleck-the-batman-will-not-direct-1201971566/) He will remain on board as star and producer, though.
This has been a very, very bad spate of news for DC's movies, recently. :-\
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Post by: rhiggatwat on February 03, 2017, 02:35:23 pm
And even worse than that, supposedly the rumor is that Affleck is trying to get out of playing Batman AT ALL. I don't know if this is true, but I hope not. This whole thing is just rapidly falling apart. If Justice League is crap, this whole DCEU might just go right down the toilet. After BvS and Live by Night, I don't think Affleck wants to go down with the ship. BvS, Suicide Squad, Flash, and now Batman, it just keeps getting worse. Wonder Woman and Justice League really need to be at least decent. It's a real shame, because the DCEU had some great things going for it, some really good casting choices (yes, and a few terrible ones), interesting connectivity between movies, finally getting to see all of these great DC characters on screen, almost 80 years of amazing material to draw from, etc. It's really sad.
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Post by: BurningSoul on February 03, 2017, 03:06:50 pm
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Post by: Byakko on February 04, 2017, 02:55:10 am
There's another that says "anyone in the world except him".
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 06, 2017, 03:52:41 am
Bring back Joel Schumacher.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 11, 2017, 03:43:47 am
Apparently the Batman movie might be getting a full rewrite, which is never a good sign of things. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2017/02/08/the-batman-movie-gets-new-script-new-director-and-likely-2019-release/#6439299751f8)
But on the bright side, Matt Reeves (who directed the last two Planet of the Apes movies) is said to be one of the front-runners for the job of director. IMO, he'd be a major improvement over Affleck, in terms of direction.
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Post by: Reck on February 11, 2017, 07:56:56 pm
Didn't they already begin filming though? How can you rewrite a flick when portions of it have already been shot, are they just gonna scrap everything?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 11, 2017, 08:10:53 pm
I don't think they ever started filming, maybe some location shots.
Anyway, Matt Reeves is confirmed. (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/the-batman-new-director-matt-reeves-ben-affleck-1201977575/) I never really got into those new Ape movies and Cloverfield was kinda all about the gimmick POV, but it's good to have a guy that's got actual blockbuster experience under his belt. That means a guy who's willing to push back a little.
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Post by: Reck on February 12, 2017, 10:45:51 am
I remember Affleck posting some videos on his IG of Joe Manganiello in the Deathstroke suit, I guess it could've been a test shoot though.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 14, 2017, 06:15:28 am
This is a pretty explosive rumor, and even Collider, the place reporting it, are cautioning everyone that it's pretty far-fetched and that they've been burned by this source before, but...
they're saying that Ben Affleck doesn't want to play Batman anymore and is looking for a way out of his contract. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuBxbSWZrkM&feature=youtu.be&t=17m41s)
I personally don't really buy it, but after all the massive turmoil every DC movie seems to be going through, who knows at this point?
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Post by: Lichtbringer on February 14, 2017, 08:32:35 am
Didn't they already begin filming though? How can you rewrite a flick when portions of it have already been shot, are they just gonna scrap everything?
Mh something similar happend to Superman II and other Movies, stuff like that can work if they make it right.
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Post by: Person Man on February 15, 2017, 03:24:27 am
This is a pretty explosive rumor, and even Collider, the place reporting it, are cautioning everyone that it's pretty far-fetched and that they've been burned by this source before, but...
they're saying that Ben Affleck doesn't want to play Batman anymore and is looking for a way out of his contract. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuBxbSWZrkM&feature=youtu.be&t=17m41s)
I personally don't really buy it, but after all the massive turmoil every DC movie seems to be going through, who knows at this point?
I'm hoping that this turns out to be true, and that he does dump the contract. Not because I have anything against Affleck as an actor or director, but because of the hope that losing arguably the biggest cornerstone of the cinematic universe they've been trying to build due to their complete bungling of the entire project will be the shot in the arm WB needs to realize that what they're doing is never going to work.
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Post by: R565 on February 15, 2017, 09:14:17 pm
Shoot themselves in the foot indeed.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 17, 2017, 05:35:11 am
So, Warner Bros. is eyeing Mel Gibson to direct Suicide Squad 2 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/warner-bros-courts-mel-gibson-suicide-squad-sequel-974436), and like, I dunno man. Feels sorta similar to Affleck directing Batman, they're fine directors, but Warner seems to view them as auteurs?
... I mean, at least Affleck never said or did any of the shit Gibson did and I guess somehow has been forgiven...
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Post by: DatKofGuy on February 17, 2017, 07:40:04 am
Didnt Gibson do a rant about his dislike of superhero movies?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 17, 2017, 07:55:08 am
Yep, and he's not a director who lets studios get in the way of what he wants to do. Like Joaquin Phoenix playing Dr. Strange, I'll only believe it when his name's on the poster.
I seriously doubt Gibson does one of these unless it's as a favor to Robert Downey Jr., one of the only guys who was still willing to be his friend while he was a Hollywood pariah and actively used his blockbuster status to finally convince people to move on.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 18, 2017, 10:20:08 pm
Negotiations have broken down between Warner Bros and Matt Reeves. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-negotiations-break-down-director-matt-reeves-977266) The next Batman movie is once again without a director. :anxious:
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 18, 2017, 10:27:52 pm
I'll put money on a list of executive demands coming in almost immediately and him not being even remotely interested in playing along
WB is gonna be in an interesting spot with this movie because this is maybe the one franchise that is absolutely director driven and that's completely at odds with what they're trying to do
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 18, 2017, 10:46:14 pm
DC and Warner have been pretty boastful about how their movies are much more director/auteur-driven compared to Marvel's very regimented and studio-driven approach, but they've had so many directors drop out, so quickly, that something isn't adding up (and it's not just people leaving during the negotiation phase, they've had four different directors leave mid-development too!) . There's a lot to gripe about with Marvel's creative-stifling approach, but DC still hasn't managed to put out a single decent movie since the last Nolan Batman. They're either vastly more constrictive than Marvel, or far too loose and chaotic; whatever the case may be, it ain't working.
The future of the DC cinematic universe continues to look more and more perilous. :-\
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 23, 2017, 09:16:44 pm
And now Matt Reeves is back directing The Batman. (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/the-batman-director-matt-reeves-1201994946/) Tune in next week for the JMorphman post that he's off the project again!
Seriously what is happening with this movie
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Post by: lui on February 23, 2017, 10:24:29 pm
warner bros. is also developing a nightwing movie with the lego batman movie director
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 23, 2017, 11:09:12 pm
Nightwing feels like a concept/character that would need to appear in another film first before getting his own spinoff, unless his movie is filled with a ton of flashbacks. Maybe that'd be different if DC allowed Robin/Dick Grayson to appear in a non-Lego movie for two decades, but that's where we are now.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 24, 2017, 12:06:52 am
I wouldn't be opposed to a few flashbacks to keep it self contained; I'm getting tired of movies having to devote "ad-space" to setting up another movie.
This is one of the few characters that you can get away with the explanation being "I used to be Robin, now I'm not" because even the casual fan knows who Robin is and probably still thinks he is Dick Grayson anyway!
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Post by: lui on February 24, 2017, 07:01:43 am
the teen titans tv show is a great example of the above, they didn't even have to mention batman by name to let fans know how robin works, they basically just said "robin used to be a sidekick, but now hes not"
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Post by: Person Man on February 24, 2017, 02:20:36 pm
Nightwing feels like a concept/character that would need to appear in another film first before getting his own spinoff, unless his movie is filled with a ton of flashbacks. Maybe that'd be different if DC allowed Robin/Dick Grayson to appear in a non-Lego movie for two decades, but that's where we are now.
The DCCU has always done everything ass backwards anyway. This is the same franchise that asked people to get on board with Harley Quinn before introducing the Joker.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 25, 2017, 07:00:06 am
I wouldn't be opposed to a few flashbacks to keep it self contained; I'm getting tired of movies having to devote "ad-space" to setting up another movie.
This is one of the few characters that you can get away with the explanation being "I used to be Robin, now I'm not" because even the casual fan knows who Robin is and probably still thinks he is Dick Grayson anyway!
I'm definitely no fan of superhero movies (or shows, looking at you, Daredevil season 2) spending any of their limited running time to set-up future movies/shows, but I still feel like it's pretty weird and perhaps too soon to try and do a Nightwing movie after spending four different Batman movies and two decades vigorously opposed to depicting Robin at all (I'm not counting The Dark Knight Rises's really silly reveal that John Blake's first name is Robin, nor the brief shot of Jason Todd's costume in a display case in Batman V Superman; I'm talking about a real portrayal of Robin).
If Warner Bros decided to throw everything out and do a complete and total reboot of the Batman franchise, they'd be able to get away with just plopping the viewer down into the basic Batman status quo, with no real need to explain who Bruce Wayne, Alfred, or Gordon are, or what Batman's origin is, or any of the basic Batman elements that have permeated the cultural consciousness. I don't feel like that's true of Robin anymore, simply because the character has been ignored for so long.
the teen titans tv show is a great example of the above, they didn't even have to mention batman by name to let fans know how robin works, they basically just said "robin used to be a sidekick, but now hes not"
They were specifically not allowed to use Batman, though, which led to some awkwardness of a scene depicting a classic Batman moment of Dick Grayson swearing an oath to fight crime (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/teentitans/images/4/48/Batman%3F.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090103201134): they had to hide Batman behind a cave formation because they couldn't even show him in silhouette! DC had a lot of stupid rules about which characters could be used in what show, and it's hard to imagine that if Batman had been available to them, the makers of the Teen Titans show would refuse to have him show up even once.
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Post by: Person Man on February 25, 2017, 12:47:18 pm
About Nightwing, there are rumors starting to surface that they're only doing this so they can quickly introduce Dick Grayson into the DCCU so that, in the event that Affleck does end up dumping his contract, they have somebody that can be Batman without needing to reboot the franchise.
Which sounds like a ridiculously cynical, corporate move and really unlikely, but then again this entire premise has been mishandled so thoroughly from the outset that it actually feels believable coming from WB. Refusing to learn from their mistakes and just doing the same thing over and over until it works feels pretty in line with their M.O.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 02, 2017, 05:45:37 pm
Heres some grainy Aquaman underwater test footage https://twitter.com/LegolasMomoa/status/837046919918673921
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2017, 12:49:45 am
First look at the Justice League Batmobile: (http://i.imgur.com/iSjO39Rl.jpg) Ah, good. The last one didn't have nearly enough guns.
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Post by: walt on March 09, 2017, 12:14:03 am
Oh cool, it's a UFO with Wheels (http://i.imgur.com/Mzo45FQ.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Mzo45FQ.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Mzo45FQ.png)
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Post by: DatKofGuy on March 12, 2017, 10:52:22 am
Kinda optimistic about this one
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 12, 2017, 07:25:49 pm
I'm not, but we'll see. As long as I hear that it's a coherent movie I'm somewhat game, otherwise I'll wait for the extended edition.
Logan shouldn't have came out so early in the year, because now I'm gonna have a lot less tolerance for ye olde "by-the-numbers" superhero flick.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 13, 2017, 01:51:02 am
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But she must never know the truth about what she is.
oh fuck, they're really doing the "Zeus is secretly her father" origin. Those stupid motherfuckers. ¬_¬
also really, really not liking the majestic sense of import Wonder Woman's sword is getting—it's not exactly equivalent to giving Batman a gun (and like, a special super important gun at that), but it's certainly in the same neighborhood. It fundamentally misunderstands the character and what she represents, and it's very upsetting to see that "Wonder Woman has a sword" is seemingly going to be the status quo for all depictions of Wonder Woman going forward. :-\
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Post by: Speedpreacher on March 13, 2017, 02:01:36 am
But she must never know the truth about what she is.
oh fuck, they're really doing the "Zeus is secretly her father" origin. Those stupid motherfuckers. ¬_¬
Well that was pretty much a given, wasn't it? I mean, it was a mandate in the comics solely for this movie.
It's going to be interesting for them to lead with that. I'm don't think that origin is a bad one but it's impact only comes as a late game reveal after you've grown accustomed to the regular origin, otherwise there's no THERE there. If you lead with that as the origin, it's just every other Greek hero myth! The crowd won't really care about this secret being kept from her for a movie because you haven't made them buy into the clay!
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Post by: HadeS on March 25, 2017, 04:34:46 pm
The trailer is finally out.
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Post by: Person Man on March 25, 2017, 05:01:43 pm
Oh good. They gave Cyborg a face mask and jet boots so that he looks more like Iron Man. And here I was worried they were running out of new and innovative ways to poorly mimic the Marvel movies.
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Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2017, 05:19:50 pm
WTF? they redesigned iron man and the actor is now black even though tony stark has always been white. progressive hollywood needs to fuck off
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Post by: lui on March 25, 2017, 06:52:03 pm
I just spit out my coffee holy shit
thanks titiln
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Post by: Mgbenz on March 25, 2017, 07:52:33 pm
Grays ,grays, blues, oranges....
If we force Snyder to put color in his movies will his head explode?
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 25, 2017, 10:42:18 pm
that cyborg looks fake as shit
and am i the only one that feels the batman/barry interaction is kinda like tony/peter in homecoming?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: bright colors are for babies
Post by: Titiln on March 30, 2017, 07:09:04 pm
joss whedon might write and direct a batgirl movie http://variety.com/2017/film/news/batgirl-movie-joss-whedon-warner-bros-1202018544/
good luck with that
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 30, 2017, 07:21:06 pm
DC getting one of the chief architects of the MCU to try and revamp their floundering movie franchise and help differentiate it from Marvel is probably not the greatest move. :-\
and speaking as a die-hard Whedon fan, I'm not super interested in seeing him do another superhero movie, I wanna see new, original stories!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: bright colors are for babies
Post by: Jmorphman on May 18, 2017, 10:15:41 pm
so uh, not sure how much stock to put into this (since it's originally from a rumor site I've never even heard of before, although some mainstream news outlets are now reporting on it), but: there's a rumor out there that the Justice League movie has undergone so many reshoots that it's been essentially remade twice (http://screencrush.com/rumor-justice-league-reshoots/), and all the Warner Bros execs are pretty concerned with the state of one of their biggest tentpoles ever.
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Post by: Thedge on May 18, 2017, 10:40:37 pm
The worst part of that rumor is that it is completely plausible.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 18, 2017, 10:43:12 pm
Wasn't it originally supposed to be a part 1 and part 2 deal
Have to imagine there's a lot that goes into condensing that into one movie
Of course all the reshoots in the world aren't going to fix the problem in the director's chair
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Post by: lui on May 19, 2017, 01:24:28 am
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Post by: Byakko on May 19, 2017, 01:38:07 am
Don't worry, that vibrant green and red will be all washed out and greyed out on screen.
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Post by: Gennos on May 19, 2017, 03:28:23 pm
just now i watched the JL trailer that has been posted here 8 weeks ago (yeah thats how much im interested in it) and i couldn't help but notice how similar they made aquaman to thor. granted, i don't know anything about aquaman, but im having trouble believing he's aggressive, quippy and an alcohol drinker, exactly like how thor was in mcu. all he's missing is an english/australian/whatever-the-fuck-thor-spoke accent.
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Post by: Titiln on May 23, 2017, 12:59:00 am
Zack Snyder Steps Down From 'Justice League' to Deal With Family Tragedy http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zack-snyder-steps-down-justice-league-deal-family-tragedy-1006455
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The filmmaker's daughter died by suicide in March, prompting him to take a break from work and hire Joss Whedon to finish the Warner Bros. superhero pic: "I’ve decided to take a step back from the movie to be with my family, be with my kids, who really need me."
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Post by: walt on May 23, 2017, 01:28:00 am
x_x
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Post by: Mechy on May 23, 2017, 01:32:12 am
Aw jeez.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 23, 2017, 02:08:32 am
Damn, that sucks.
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Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on May 23, 2017, 02:19:11 am
Holy shit, this is really sad.
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 23, 2017, 02:34:03 am
this is not what i wanted to happen :(
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Post by: Thedge on May 23, 2017, 02:56:18 am
Goddamned!
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Post by: DelusionTrim on May 30, 2017, 02:02:30 pm
In other news, Wonder Woman reviews have arrived...
Sitting at a 96% on RT as of now: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wonder_woman_2017/
Looking forward to see this :D
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 30, 2017, 02:17:07 pm
Not to be that guy... but that score is solely based on critic reviews, no user reviews as yet. Same thing happened with BvS... I'm still optimistic though..
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Post by: DelusionTrim on May 30, 2017, 05:34:07 pm
Not to be that guy... but that score is solely based on critic reviews, no user reviews as yet. Same thing happened with BvS... I'm still optimistic though..
Not sure what you mean, how is it the same thing if BvS wasnt anywhere as well received as this from critics? Even if there are no user reviews yet, this arguably has a better chance of getting (more) good reviews from users than BvS just from this critic score alone.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on May 30, 2017, 06:46:10 pm
I mean critics were raving about how good BVS was... then the movie bombed
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 30, 2017, 07:21:27 pm
Nah man, execs at private screenings were giving it standing ovations, then once the actual reviews came out it was panned
It was the public consensus that was better than the crotics, not the other way around
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Post by: Jango on May 30, 2017, 09:04:09 pm
OF COURSE the opposite could be happening (ie: Ghostbusters 2016), but they at least didn't have a review embargo!!!
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Post by: Gennos on May 30, 2017, 09:12:26 pm
Nah man, execs at private screenings were giving it standing ovations, then once the actual reviews came out it was panned
It was the public consensus that was better than the crotics, not the other way around
yeah thats exactly how i remembered it. red letter media's review was the best thing that came out of that movie (besides the movie special doritos flavors).
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 30, 2017, 10:33:29 pm
Yeah, the whole Captain Marvel for both DC and Marvel can throw people off.
Rev.
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Post by: lui on June 02, 2017, 10:35:54 am
they officially and permanently changed his name to shazam in recent years so the use of captain marvel seems kinda dumb considering the status quo
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Post by: Byakko on June 02, 2017, 11:07:34 am
Also captain marvel (the other one) is in fact getting a movie so a shazam movie would definitely be called shazam. No need to support the confusion by calling shazam captain marvel again.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on June 05, 2017, 03:10:21 am
So I saw Wonder Woman today.
It was good.
Spoiler: minor spoilers(click to see content)
The Movie's pretty much exactly what you'd expect Wonder Woman movie set in WWI to be: Steve crashes his plane on themyscria, Wonder Woman Steals the sacred armor and weapons and stuff and goes to help him stop WWI, which she says Ares is behind. (Spoiler: she's kinda right)
The Good: Nothing is especially stupid (except one thing I'll mention) Costume design is good, EVEN ARES gets to wear his badass armour! (though his face isn't blacked out, but it's still there) No one does anything blatantly out of their comic book character. Action scenes are good, the last fight with Ares is really badass IMO. The movie a does a decent job of showing how absolutely terrible WWI was, a war which, IMO is always overshadowed by WWII.
The Bad: IMO there's just too much slow-motion in this film, like, yeah I get she can block bullets with her bracelets and that's cool and all but it wears on you after a while. They kept the new 52 origin (though personally I don't take much issue with that) They kind of portray Wonder Woman as kind of Trigger happy. (at least when she's a little kid, after that it's fine)
Spoiler: actual spoilers(click to see content)
Wonder Woman is apparently Zeus's ultimate weapon against Ares According to this film, Ares kills every single god of Olympus, but loses to Wonder Woman in their first fight, seriously? The Literal God of War, who solo'd the entire Greek Pantheon loses to a Demi-god with almost no combat experience? (yes I know they state she was trained "10 times harder then every amazon" and is apparently "Zeus's ultimate weapon against him") So yes, the plot did justify it but I don't like it regardless. I also don't like how all the Greek gods are dead, either.
Also, minor nitpick, but Wonder Woman has an Israeli Accent as an Adult, but Greek as both a kid and an Teenager, which is just kind of silly. (IIRC, could be wrong)
Spoiler: another, separate actual spoiler(click to see content)
So Steve is definitely confirmed dead, and we pretty much get to see al his interaction with Diana in this movie, but somehow Pine Signed a multi-Picture deal with Warner Bros.? WTF?
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 05, 2017, 04:34:35 am
I thought it was great!
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A lot of my fears about the movie that popped up in the trailers either ended up being subverted (like that dumb sword! it's built up to be this big important weapon while WW's actual iconic weapon is an afterthought, but then it just gets annihilated and revealed to be nothing special! And then the rest of the movie is just Wondy kicking butt with the lasso!) or downplayed and/or balanced out (example: I was concerned that they might depict the Amazons as being concerned only with war and bloodthirsty, and while I think there should've been a bit more balance in showing what the Amazons who aren't constantly training are up to, the set design and other small moments did a decent enough job at conveying that Amazonian society is a beautiful utopia full of art and philosophy, in addition to peerless warriors).
I'd love a sequel set in WWII, or maybe just a few years after WWI; not just because I'm not remotely interested in the DC movies set in the present day, but also cuz I want more Etta Candy and the not-Howling Commandos! Like, I dunno, bring in Dr. Psycho for a movie set during Britain's women suffrage movement! With regards to the origin thing: I felt like they were trying intentionally to keep it vague, hedging their bets so that it could taken as either her classic origin or her stupid New 52 one. There's enough ambiguity in Ares's speech to leave room for Diana to still be molded from clay and brought to life by the gods, but unlike the comics, it's only Zeus who's imbuing her with life and powers. And by the same token, that same speech could very well be taken absolutely literally. Neither one comes close to the original origin, and even the first loses a lot of its power by removing the role the Greek goddesses play in Diana's birth. But at least that's better than Wonder Woman having basically the same origin as Hercules and every other Greek demigod!
In any event, there's no moment when the clay origin is explicitly described as a lie; to me, the scene was framed not as Ares revealing the truth to Diana (both in terms of her origin, but also to his own story), but of him introducing nuance and complexity to the fables she had been told as a child. It's possible I'm just trying to convince myself that the filmmakers didn't commit to that stupid New 52 origin, but I really do think they were trying to give themselves room to allow either origin story. After all, in the comics, Wonder Woman's classic origin has recently been restored, and some of the people making that decision were intimately involved in this movies production, and all the timing works out as well; it could very well be the case that right at the same time they decided to try the DC Rebirth experiment and restore Wonder Woman's classic origin, they hedged their bets to allow both the classic and the New 52 origins to exist in the movie, so that if the Rebirth stuff flamed out and/or was poorly received, they could always confirm in a later movie that Diana is in fact a Zeus's literal offspring. Or if the reverse happened, they could explain in Wonder Woman 2 that actually, she's only technically a "goddess" because she was bestowed those powers, and didn't inherit them, and that her calling Ares her brother is metaphorical or whatever.
... but I could always be delusional, I guess. :(
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Post by: R565 on June 05, 2017, 04:40:44 am
Can anyone say best DCU movie so far? I can, and I love that it destroyed my fears about it being out of character. I was even going to watch it again with my friend because even he said that he was scared to see it because WW is one of his favorite heroes.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 05, 2017, 05:03:30 am
Spoiler: another, separate actual spoiler(click to see content)
So Steve is definitely confirmed dead, and we pretty much get to see al his interaction with Diana in this movie, but somehow Pine Signed a multi-Picture deal with Warner Bros.? WTF?
Probably a smokescreen,
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similar to how Kick-Ass has a multi-picture deal as Quicksilver and was decidedly killed in his first outing because Joss can't help himself.
But you never know, they could call the next movie Wonder Woman: Captain Wonder and bring him back as a mysterious new hero with a dark, psycho secret! Or Circe could have plucked him out at the last second or from an alternate universe to fuck with Diana in the future, since that's her favorite past time! Or Aphrodite (who's alive because killing a concept is the silliest, natch) resurrects him as a grateful gift! All these things can happen, because Steve Trevor has died more times than Jean Grey and it's kind of weird!
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 05, 2017, 05:44:33 am
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If they do bring back Chris Pine (and look, I thought he had a great death scene and bringing the character back after that would invariably cheapen it, but on the other hand, more Chris Pine! it basically evens out!), I hope it's not like an identical relative situation, like a cousin who looks just like him, or a son or grandson, or nothing. That kinda thing always feels a little creepy!
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Post by: Mechy on June 06, 2017, 01:06:22 pm
Saw it yesterday, trash. Gal Gadot ain't as stacked as Lynda Carter, so what's the fucking point?
Just kidding, it was ok.
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-Characters were the highlight. Liked Diana herself well enough, but Steve and the rest of their little team were the best. -Nice action. Some pretty striking looking stuff there. -Loved the end message. THE POWER OF LOVE. -The comedy was kinda poor. I laughed once or twice, but it was just at more mundane stuff. Etta Candy was a total flatline. -The more serious stuff of the fantastical Themyscaria and the war stuff was done really well and all the Wondy stuff on it's own was good also, but at the end of the day they just don't mesh together at all. Heartbreaking scene's of PTSD and mustard gas attacks mixed in with the lady in the brightly colored miniskirt throwing people around with a glowing cartoon lasso don't fucking work together. -It was reeeeally similar to First Avenger wasn't it? From the collecting a team of ethnically diverse goofy soldier mans, an unauthorized strike within enemy lines and especially the heroic sacrifice aboard the giant plane. -Ares was kinda bleh. The reveal was alright, but nothing he said or did afterwards was terribly good. He has a lot of setup, but it does not pay off. Especially since Gotg 2 came out recently and Ego being as well done as he was. -Gal Gadot was ok for the most of it, but at times shes fucking terrible. At her worst she sounds like she barely gets words out of her mouth. -The movie avoided the DCEU blurry mess action for the most of it, which is why the end fight being such shit was disappointing. -Sorta funny how this movie's plot only works due to the dceu being such a miserable shithole.
It's a good step in the right direction, but I don't really feel like it quiet hit a homerun just yet. My opinion might have been slighty made more sour by the fact that I saw it in 3D and thus left the theater with a terrible headache.
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Post by: walt on June 06, 2017, 06:03:31 pm
Did y'all notice Chris Pine's character
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has considerably more dialogue lines than the titular character?
There's many things I'd label this movie. A summer blockbuster, an entertaining film, a lot of fun ... but "a great movie" is really not on my list.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on June 06, 2017, 06:19:11 pm
Yeah, in my review I called it a good superhero movie
As in it's a good one of those
But I don't consider it on the level of something like a Dark Knight or a Logan which to me are good movies with no qualifiers (although I haven't rewatched Logan 15 times like I have the Dark Knight so it may just fall apart on re-view for all I know)
But I'm glad it exists so DC can do more like it at least
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: walt on June 06, 2017, 10:17:27 pm
Yeah, it's "good". Like, it was better than Antman, but lesser than either GOTG or Thor.
But it was DEFINITELY better than the garbage fire that keeps on giving, named Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice
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Post by: HoHo on June 08, 2017, 02:29:25 am
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Just finished watching Wonder Woman and this Movie yeah still great Movies to come in 2017, but this could be in my top 5 right with Logan on top for me. Patty Jenkins and Gal Gadot did their fucking thing in this Movie, and I can't wait to see where they could with a second or third film. I like the origins bit in the beginning of the film with Diana's Mother and Aunt in fighting wanting to guide Diana they wanted her to go. I mean the Steak and Potatoes of this film happened pretty damn fast, and I was happy to see that when the film is 2 hours long. I mean she has a fight with her Aunt, beats her, then Steve Trevor shows up and the battling starts up. The fight scenes were great, I mean we saw a good majority of them in the trailers, but seeing them in their full sequence was nice to see. Gadot walking, taking all those bullets, destroying everyone who wanted it was so awesome to see throughout the film. With all the Action scenes, I'm happy they put in a good bit of comedy in the film. Parts like when Gadot was trying all those outfits to see what was the best one to fight in, or trying to get Pine to snuggle with her on the Boat it was much needed for a film that wants to be serious because of the situation going on.
I'm also happy to find out their was a Ares, and that fight was good. I knew once Trevor died it would be breaking point for her to kick some ass. Thank you Zeus for not eating one of Daughters, and giving us Wonder Wonder to this world.
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Post by: Byakko on June 11, 2017, 01:29:12 am
Okay so, I saw Wendy yesterday.
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Really good movie. The battle choreography was nuts (those flip hits and that fucking Tiger Knee from all the trailers), the combat scenes were really powerful with a serious sense of strength (smashing that tower like a bombshell), those skills largely made up for Gal Gadot being physically unimpressive, and there was no deal-breaking moment or ideal. It's harder to fuck up a WW1 movie than something in the modern era just showing people being assholes, we know to represent the tragedies of war a lot better these days, so the emotional factor played out really well and was very effective, much less random than some Suicide Squad or BvS bullshit. The cast diversity was nice, with a meaningful variety of figures, there wasn't any character in particular that got a horrible treatment. I've seen a few complaints over too few characters having more than 5 speaking lines, but I don't mind, I don't expect the focus to stray too far away from the actual central characters. Humor was nearly non-existent, though, just a couple moments that walk up to your face and go "this is funny, please laugh here". Just don't see it for the jokes, but the rest was good.
Ares was a massive failure. Ares is the personification of war, as in bloodlust and rampage. I do appreciate and support the whole concept of "men have both good and bad, it's just up to them to chose through their own tragedy or just their own twisted mind", but this was way too much Loki-fied with the whispering and the snickering and the "it's not my fault, it's them, I'm just showing everyone how bad humans are". Also British Ares is vastly unimpressive. Just make his face a big mass of shadow with glowing red eyes once he transforms, please, the mustache in the horned helmet was just way too distracting. But hey, that was part of the whole "trickster god" image of Ares they went for, discarding any actual threat and pressure beside random lightning & telekinetic powers. He simply happens to have big powers. His "I'm the god of truth" line is fine if you understand that he believes war is the true face of humans (well, that's just what he thinks), but the "trickster god" curve on it was awful. His plan to make the armistice just because "he knows they won't hold it" was only to hide the twist that Ares was the British guy and not the German, but it didn't make any sense. That twist fucked up his whole character.
I still like the Captain America (movie) image a lot more than the Wonder Woman (movie) image (I'm not saying that First Avenger was better, mind you). Cap is just someone who wants to do good, period, he'll save you and plow through whoever's standing in the way regardless of who you are and he'll never have doubts or give up, but Wondy starts doing good protecting the innocents but then she just stops when there's something she doesn't like and goes "maybe mommy was right, they don't deserve us". Fuck that, that's awful, don't judge a whole civilization like that, especially after you went all holier-than-thou yelling at people for not protecting the innocents calling them cowards. You don't get to do that when you change your mind so easily at the first thing you don't like, and disregarding the innocents that you saved 15 minutes ago. In that way, Trevor was better than Diana. I know it's the whole idea that she knows nothing of the harsh world and Trevor is already seasoned and has lived through actual war, he knows the good and the bad, and Diana has to learn that for herself, but fuck, she's no better than a weapon with no ideal. She's out of her isolated island for 5 days and already people don't "deserve" her. Well fuck off back to your island then. Fortunately that was just for like 10 minutes and the final Trevor quick chat and her final conclusion ("in the end, just chose love") was much better, but she'll have to live it through in the sequel and pay back this "men don't deserve me" breakdown with interests and actual conviction. You want to be a hero, act like one.
It has flaws, it's not a perfect movie, but it's like any other movie - and that's a massive step up. This is an actual movie that is fine, not crippled with moronic, messy directing or writing with no sense or taste. It's something that you can actually watch and enjoy without turning your brain off just for the pretty fireworks.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: rgveda99 on June 19, 2017, 01:38:31 am
The title of the article made me laugh. :bjugoi:
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The DCEU has a problem — everybody likes Wonder Woman
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However, that does raise some interesting questions for the future. Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman is so different from the rest of the DCEU that I have no idea how it fits into the broader enterprise, and I say that knowing full well that Gal Gadot already appeared in Batman vs. Superman. It feels like we’re watching a battle for the soul of the DCEU, and it’s going to be difficult for Warner Bros. to reconcile the two creative visions moving forward.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 13, 2017, 10:28:33 pm
Matt Reeves has confirmed he's completely starting from scratch on the Batman (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-director-matt-reeves-has-dropped-ben-afflecks-script-1020694), so basically throw out anything you heard about Deathstroke
You know what, I'm glad he's sticking to his guns and making HIS movie
Sink or swim, I'll respect it either way
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Post by: Byakko on July 13, 2017, 10:37:26 pm
Ben Affleck bolting out of the role in 3, 2...
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 13, 2017, 10:43:20 pm
I have to imagine he's at least going to wait until after reception to Justice League
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Post by: Formerly Hoshi on July 13, 2017, 10:59:26 pm
Affleck has stated that the only reason he's going to leave is if the script sucks. I think he's trying to avoid another Daredevil, which is rather smart of him.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on July 20, 2017, 07:10:44 pm
Shazam scheduled to start shooting in January/February of next year (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/shazam-is-next-dc-movie-shoot-1022821)
Somehow
Without anyone being cast except the villain, and he may not end up being in the movie at all
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Post by: HoHo on July 21, 2017, 06:30:19 am
This is actually a good thing let the guy do his thing and just be a Actor Ben. It's hard to play multiple roles like that, and I trust in DC to give us a quality Batman film.
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Post by: Foobs on July 21, 2017, 06:42:38 am
Shazam scheduled to start shooting in January/February of next year (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/shazam-is-next-dc-movie-shoot-1022821)
Somehow
Without anyone being cast except the villain, and he may not end up being in the movie at all
Good to know WW was a fluke. I was worried I'd start having hopes for the DC cinematic universe.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: GTOAkira on July 22, 2017, 10:39:16 pm
https://twitter.com/justiceleaguewb/status/888847268916240385 New Justice League trailer from SDCC
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 22, 2017, 11:12:21 pm
Youtube version
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Post by: HoHo on July 23, 2017, 01:20:44 am
These Scenes in this Trailer are damn awesome. Aquaman though utterly destroying and The Flash with those one liners hehe.
That last scene perfect.
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2017, 05:17:58 am
So uh, this is weird. (http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/) DC is apparently planning a standalone Joker origin movie that will be completely disconnected from the larger DC movie universe, and it won't star Jared Leto? And it'll be set in the 1980s? And the dude who directed The Hangover is directing and co-writing the script?!? And Martin Scorsese is apparently involved to some degree?!?!?!?!?!
I would have dismissed this in an instant as some bizarre made up rumor were it not being reported by a reputable place like Deadline. Because it's fucking nuts!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2017, 04:53:34 pm
I've taken some time to stew about this
On the one hand I'm happy to see somebody deciding to do a movie that doesn't have to fit into a multi-year plan
On the other hand how do you do a Joker origin movie without it just being Killing Joke
Do you frame it as unreliable narration, maybe do multiple versions in the same movie
Maybe laugh at the audience for being so prepared to believe the tragic one
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Post by: HoHo on August 23, 2017, 09:51:59 pm
If they truly do a Joker Origins Movie one that kinda hurts the aura and mystery on who is the Joker, but if that Actor knocks it outta the park with the role then what do you do with Jared Leto as Joker? If you're going to do it in the 80's, then you're going to need a new Batman then as well maybe?
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Post by: Person Man on August 25, 2017, 04:03:43 am
So uh, this is weird. (http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/) DC is apparently planning a standalone Joker origin movie that will be completely disconnected from the larger DC movie universe, and it won't star Jared Leto? And it'll be set in the 1980s? And the dude who directed The Hangover is directing and co-writing the script?!? And Martin Scorsese is apparently involved to some degree?!?!?!?!?!
I would have dismissed this in an instant as some bizarre made up rumor were it not being reported by a reputable place like Deadline. Because it's fucking nuts!
And apparently they are simultaneously developing a completely separate standalone Joker movie (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/joker-harley-quinn-dc-warner-bros-movie-jared-leto-margot-robbie-suicide-squad-2-release-date-a7909661.html) that does star Jared Leto and is connected to the DC movie universe.
Because I guess if you're competing against yourself for ticket sales you get twice as much money?
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2017, 06:38:10 am
(http://i.imgur.com/KdcBFSK.gif)
It's simply astonishing to me that after the breathtaking success of Wonder Woman, Warner Bros ignores the obvious (like making movies outta some of their other female characters) and instead immediately greenlights not one, but two different fucking Joker movies.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: Neocide on August 26, 2017, 08:19:07 am
Isn't the joker and harley quinn movie replacing gotham city sirens? Which if it is the case that sucks. Dc has a lot of good female characters too. I don't get why they want to do an origin story of joker. To me it's like telling too much backstory on a horror monster, you lose that mystique they have when you know so much about them.
Thats one of the big reasons joker works so well. And doing a whole movie about his origin would take away so much. And if they try to pull a "swerve" where joker is narrating it only to be like "just kidding!" At the end would be even stupider. I wouldn't put it past them though.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: Gennos on August 26, 2017, 08:28:53 am
On the other hand how do you do a Joker origin movie without it just being Killing Joke
they're probably gonna make him the point of view character in a story where he's also the bad guy, and have batman chase after him. kinda like that "joker" graphic novel. it could be good provided a good writer, unlikely warner bros is gonna hire one for it tho.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on August 26, 2017, 08:37:20 am
Isn't the joker and harley quinn movie replacing gotham city sirens?
They're both happening. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2017/08/25/gotham-city-sirens-is-still-in-development-despite-rumors-of-cancellation/#634f17076636) As much as any of these are happening, anyway. Shazam's got me convinced these movies are being constructed purely out of internet buzz and Photoshop.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on September 04, 2017, 10:24:18 pm
And on the subject of Shazam, this one goes out to my brothers and sisters in the Wrestling topic:
THRICE IN A LIFETIME (http://www.cbr.com/shazam-cena-sasse-billy-batson-character-bio-description/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list)
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: Jmorphman on October 01, 2017, 01:38:55 am
There's a profile that came out recently on the new heads of DC's film division (Geoff Johns and Diane Nelson) (http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/dc-wonder-woman-movie-strategy-universe.html), and the big story everyone's talking about from said profile is a mention that DC is planning to move away from the heavily interconnected approach that they've been flailing at (and that Marvel is successfully pulling off); instead, the DC movies post-Justice League will try first and foremost to be independent entities, guided by their respective director's vision, and not burdened with the need to link to and set up other movies. They make it clear that they'll all still be set in the same universe, and that they'll still be connections and crossovers and what not, but they are also making a concerted effort to deemphasize the interconnectiveness in favor of having movies with a more standalone nature.
And that's all pretty interesting! And probably will work out for them, given how Wonder Woman worked as well as it did in part because it was very much its own thing, and not wrapped up in trying to set up Justice League. But I also noticed something interesting about this profile, and how it's written: I don't want to sound like a dreary, overly cynical bore, but these kinds of profiles are almost as much a product of the movie studios as they are the news outlet/reporter. It's not an inherently bad thing, but the fact is, it's hard to get this in-depth into the behind-the-scenes of a movie studio without said studio influencing the tone of the resulting article. And the tone of this article is pretty clear, it's almost like it's shouting: the non-Wonder Woman DCEU movies were bad because they were disregarding the advice of actual DC Comics executives/creators, but starting with Wonder Woman that's all been changed cause those very same people who were ignored are now running the DC movie division. And heck, Johns even co-wrote Wonder Woman!
So yeah, it's all a pretty transparent attempt at rehabilitating their image, trying to win over the trust of audiences who are still wary of DC movies, but this isn't really a bad thing! It's honestly refreshing to see them own up (indirectly) to their fuck ups, and I'm feeling a bit more confident about the future of the DC movies.
... but, you know, within reason. It can't hurt to be a little bit skeptical!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: Byakko on October 01, 2017, 02:00:47 am
Yeah, after doing their movies independent for world building with Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Guardians. It's about time DC listened to what everyone has been telling them since the start.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on October 08, 2017, 10:05:16 pm
Sigh... trailers spoiling shit again
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Post by: GENOCIDE CUTTAH XIV on October 10, 2017, 08:43:37 am
This trailer got me hype. I like that they revealed Superman, without actually revealing Superman. And i'm liking Aquaman and The Flash more and more can't wait.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: the Wonder Woman movie rules!
Post by: GENOCIDE CUTTAH XIV on November 20, 2017, 03:52:10 pm
Looks like Justice League is a huge flop and is pulling dissapointing numbers. Haven't seen the movie myself but some people are saying that it is worse than BvS to which i only have to say "ouch".
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Post by: Thedge on November 20, 2017, 04:14:39 pm
Justice League. I think is on par with Wonder Woman, it has it faults but its stong points are solid.
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- Flash stole the movie, the character was likeable, and I was fearing I could hate him, but he did a great job - Both Cyborg and Aquaman are OK too. - There are some issues with the dialogue tending to be too long or pointless in some instances, specially with Lois Lane. - I liked the way they implement old themes for the characters, listening to Danny Elfman's Batman Theme was great, the same with Superman's - The Batman Returns reference was nice too.
You can see the hand of both directors in this cut, there are unnecesary slowmo and funny interactions, the interactions were great BTW, the plot holes can be spotted from miles away, Batman knowing how to track a parademon, or reviving Superman being that simple, etc, and it's villian is weak like Marvel first movies villian weak, but I think those issues didn't killed the movie, thankfully.
I think it is a good movie and I applaud it since they had to work over the shitpile that was BvS.
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Post by: Byakko on November 20, 2017, 04:44:28 pm
Apparently it was supposed to have much longer introductions to each character (like over 50 extra minutes) but for some reason, some complete retards at Warner demanded that the movie be below 2h, so a lot of it was hacked out with a chainsaw.
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Post by: Thedge on November 20, 2017, 09:32:44 pm
TBH I don't think those extra minutes introducing the characters were needed. I think they could have kept the running time and explain some stuff better, tho.
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Post by: Byakko on November 20, 2017, 10:31:23 pm
A bit hard to do when you're doing the hacking off *after* the shooting, and we know they already did a bunch of reshoot and didn't have much time for more.
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Post by: kakkoii superhero on November 21, 2017, 04:28:26 pm
superman need to be nerfd, and also long shooting of half naked men, what about half naked woman too, simply unfair... all there is just 1 second upskirt when ww jumped out from that sewer crawler.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 09, 2017, 04:33:34 am
Variety is reporting that a huge shakeup is in the works for DC Films, the production company running the DC movies (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dc-films-justice-league-1202632214/), following the disappointing box office performance of Justice League. The current president will be stepping down, and a search for a replacement is now underway. Additionally, Geoff Johns (one of DC's big superstar comic writers, and their chief creative officer, who cowrote the Wonder Woman movie, and who has consulted on various DC movies and has a hand in producing the CW DC shows) is expected to be taking on a bigger, more influential role in steering the production of the movies, but it's still gonna be an advisory role: he's got a lot on his plate already, after all.
As for the future slate of movies: the Aquaman movie is already shooting, so it's definitely not going anywhere. The Flash movie is also apparently still happening, and Ben Affleck is apparently expected to appear in that? Buuuuuuut, and here's the weird part, the director of the standalone Batman movie is looking to recast the role? Recall that the Flash movie is called Flashpoint, which in the comics was a time travel storyline that led to a reboot of the DC universe; it seems increasingly plausible that Warner might use the Flash movie as a way to wipe out their unpopular movies and recast everyone besides Wonder Woman, Flash, and Aquaman.
So, yeah. Things are crazy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Bomb of Justice (League)
Post by: rgveda99 on December 09, 2017, 04:37:37 am
Hope that includes Green Lantern.
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Post by: kakkoii superhero on December 14, 2017, 03:16:24 pm
I wonder if some scenes involving Ben Batman, where he was bruised after being molested by Superman, and his suicidal plan later on the movie, symbolize how the actor feel about quitting the role.
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Post by: TrinitroRoy on January 04, 2018, 06:54:56 pm
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/warner-bros-taps-walter-hamada-to-oversee-dc-films-production-exclusive-1202652878/ Warner Bros. is now promoting Walter Hamada to oversee its DC comic book movies. Take that as you will.
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Post by: QuickFist on January 06, 2018, 12:00:18 am
Who is he?
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Post by: walt on January 06, 2018, 02:16:10 am
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walter+hamada
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Post by: rgveda99 on January 06, 2018, 02:36:32 am
“Hamada is known as a razor-sharp executive with a great eye for material and quality controlling production,” so this appears to be a move that will generate good buzz about the DC endeavor’s future.
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Post by: Titiln on January 06, 2018, 02:44:24 am
some fucker that doesnt even have a wikipedia page. pathetic
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2018, 03:04:06 am
The original article linked by Trin has a paragraph that sums him up pretty well:
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Hamada previously served for a decade as a production executive at New Line, a division of Warner Bros. There, he helped shepherd such horror hits as “It,” “The Gallows,” and “The Conjuring” to cinemas. The executive enjoys a close relationship with director James Wan, who is directing “Aquaman” for DC, and is credited with helping expand “The Conjuring” universe by making a well-received sequel to the movie, as well as spinoffs with the “Annabelle” series. He will be leaving New Line to work for Warners, and will also oversee any other types of comic book movies that the studio produces outside of the DC canon.
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Post by: Snakebyte on January 09, 2018, 04:39:40 am
I just realized that Justice League and Batman v Superman are different movies.
Holy shit.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2018, 08:50:28 pm
Ava DuVernay (Selma, A Wrinkle In Time) has been tapped to direct a New Gods movie (http://deadline.com/2018/03/ava-duvernay-new-gods-movie-warner-bros-dc-jack-kirby-1202338680/) (and one that is specifically described as being independent of the previous DC movies), and folks, I'm losing my fucking mind over this. This is an absolutely outstanding combination of extremely talented director and exciting, groundbreaking property; this is the first time in a long, long time that I'm wholeheartedly excited for a DC movie. :D :D :D
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Post by: Rai Tei on March 19, 2018, 12:58:10 pm
I got excited when they said Brainiac would be the first JLA villain, but that didn't happen. But the movie was entertaining nonetheless.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on July 22, 2018, 11:11:55 am
Shazam trailer is out, and I have to say I kind of like it.
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Post by: DatKofGuy on July 22, 2018, 12:26:19 pm
WHy didnt you post Aquaman as well
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Post by: Byakko on July 22, 2018, 01:49:37 pm
Shazam looks great (although I hope there will be more than Zach Levi bumbling around like a fool for the entire movie, it's good but don't make it the whole thing), Aquaman looks terrible.
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Post by: SlySuavity on July 22, 2018, 03:15:39 pm
Shazam does look surprisingly good, given its self-awareness. Aquaman on the other hand seems to brush way too closely with Black Panthers' formula.
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Post by: Lichtbringer on July 22, 2018, 05:46:07 pm
Because the Shazam Trailer looked more like fun and something people would like to see. ö.ö
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Bomb of Justice (League)
Post by: Person Man on September 12, 2018, 10:49:30 pm
Henry Cavill is officially done as Superman, won’t appear in any future DC movies. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/henry-cavill-as-superman-warner-bros-dc-universe-shake-up-1142306)
First Batfleck and now this. All those millions of dollars spent trying copy Marvel’s success only to watch it all crumble beneath them.
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Post by: Thedge on September 12, 2018, 11:03:57 pm
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Post by: Byakko on September 13, 2018, 01:26:34 am
Weren't they getting ready for the MoS sequel ? Did that just vanish when they started talking Supergirl a couple weeks ago and they didn't tell us ??
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Post by: GTOAkira on October 04, 2018, 05:50:31 am
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/birds-prey-adds-mary-elizabeth-winstead-jurnee-smollett-bell-1147189 Did not see get posted yet Not the biggest DC movies fan but man I would pretty much watch anything with Mary Elizabeth Winstead
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Post by: LIL B (The Based God) on October 14, 2018, 04:51:48 pm
This section must be losing some traction. http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/dceu/61101/james-gunns-suicide-squad-could-be-a-reboot
I'm hyped.
Title: Birds of Prey Teaser
Post by: DatKofGuy on January 28, 2019, 05:39:04 pm
so uhm.... I dunno
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Post by: Person Man on April 06, 2019, 12:36:49 am
Trailer for the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie:
I am... conflicted? The trailer is Scorsese as all get-out, and as a thriller it looks fantastic. But as a comic book adaptation? I don't know if I buy it. Having the Joker without Batman is cutting out a GIANT chunk of his character to begin with, and I don't know if I can get behind this new origin story that he's just an ordinary guy who worked as a clown that got tired of people messing with him.
It's an incredible trailer, but I feel like my nerdiness is going to get in the way.
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Post by: Byakko on April 06, 2019, 01:25:44 am
Yeah, making the Joker sympathetic and making you sad to watch him go crazy, whoop-de-doo, what a great idea. It's not even the same kind of pathetic as that one Red Hood story, it just straight up tries to make you empathize with him and justify him as an everyday guy and some other jackasses are the bad guys. Just, no.
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Post by: Neocide on April 06, 2019, 01:36:22 am
I feel the exact same way as the both of you. This feels extremely conflicting because on one hand it looks good but on the other hand it doesn't for a film about joker.This just feels like them trying to take the most popular DC characters and making random movies with them in it. Which can work for certain characters but for people like the Joker who are sort of the other side of batman and was born out of batman feels weird.
it's the same reason(well,one of the many) why Gotham irks the living shit out of me. Batman was part of the creation of a lot of his villains,not having him being part of that kind of does a disservice to both characters.
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Post by: -Ash- on April 06, 2019, 01:56:15 am
Come on lads... its current year, stop demonizing psychos, the're victims of society!
Jokes aside, I think it has potential for a great drama movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2019, 10:21:25 pm
I dunno, that trailer looked like a really bad cover version of Taxi Driver, but starring the clown Batman fights? It all just seems laughably self-serious and hard to take seriously.
But hey, Shazam came out last weekend, and that was like the total opposite of being overly dark and serious about characters created for children! It was a lot of fun!
Spoiler: minor spoiler(click to see content)
That said I was not at all interested in this crummy version of Dr. Sivana and found all of his scenes prior to meeting Billy and friends to be weirdly overly violent and gross? Like, I've seen a lot of people compare it to 80s kids movies like Temple of Doom or Goonies and whatnot, that had similar tonal shifts, but I just don't think they worked at all here. Worse, every Sivana scene had me just made counting the time until it'd switch back to Billy and Freddy getting into wacky misadventures!
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Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2019, 10:32:47 pm
Yeah, the car crash and the board meeting scene with completely unrelated people were just wtf why is this even happening. But the rest of the movie was nice. Simple but good superhero movie, I'm looking forward to what they'll do now that we're past the origin story.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Bomb of Justice (League)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 14, 2019, 12:19:21 am
When I caught Shazam at our local theater, when we got to that board room scene we got someone down in front yelling in confusion "Is this the R-rated Snyder version?" which got a half-hearted chuckle from most of the audience. So that was fun. Really, why they decided to just go full-on Alien on us was outright bizarre, and dialing the gore back or just removing the scene altogether would have probably done the film more good than keeping that weirdness in.
Fun movie outside that, just really weird to find when recommending a superhero movie on freaking Shazam to watch out for that scene where they totally copy Alien vs Predator: Requiem with the one Xenomorph sticking its tongue down a woman's throat to eat her from the inside-out?
Title: Wonder Woman 84 trailer
Post by: DatKofGuy on December 08, 2019, 10:42:23 pm
I'm liking the brighter costume and the role reversal with Diana and Steve is great also, the trailer is cur really well to the song
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Jmorphman on December 09, 2019, 04:22:46 am
Hell yeah baby.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on December 09, 2019, 04:57:45 am
Ok, MM84 looks promising. Will be better than Birds of Prey for sure.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: TiE on December 09, 2019, 07:00:23 am
Smart move to bring back the best character in the first WW movie. Though I'm not particular fond of the Zach-slide... Hope he's only producing again.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Lichtbringer on January 08, 2021, 02:36:41 am
Soooo many say the Wonder Woman trailer was misleading.... and the movie is kind of bad... sooo has anyone here has seen it and can tell me if the movie is realy as bad as half of the internet is saying? Ö_Ö
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: TurnPile on January 08, 2021, 04:38:10 am
Soooo many say the Wonder Woman trailer was misleading.... and the movie is kind of bad... sooo has anyone here has seen it and can tell me if the movie is realy as bad as half of the internet is saying? Ö_Ö
I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been replied to since a year ago.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Jmorphman on January 08, 2021, 08:32:56 am
Soooo many say the Wonder Woman trailer was misleading.... and the movie is kind of bad... sooo has anyone here has seen it and can tell me if the movie is realy as bad as half of the internet is saying? Ö_Ö
It's so bad that it made me reevaluate the first movie and I like it less now. Just a stunningly incompetent, absurdly bloated mess of a movie.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 08, 2021, 08:30:46 pm
Is it true that Wonder Woman sorta rapes a guy?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Byakko on January 08, 2021, 11:44:07 pm
It's just as true that she herself is raped by the same definition. Kinda, but not really, but kinda.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Jmorphman on January 08, 2021, 11:52:21 pm
The movie revolving around a magic wishing stone (seriously) and Wonder Woman inadvertently uses it without knowing what it is to bring Steve back to life. Except it can't bring people back fully, it is only able to take Steve's soul and place it into the body of a preexisting dude (what happens to that dude's soul/personality? beats me, the movie doesn't give a single shit about him). It is firmly established that this body is not Steve's body, it hasn't been reformed by magic, and only Diana sees Steve's face on the dude's body—everyone else sees the original body. So the wish has effectively stolen a body and crammed Steve inside it, leaving the original dude in some sort of limbo. Or functionally dead.
So even though both Steve and Wonder Woman know Steve is inhabiting someone else's body and is stealing someone else's life, they still have a bunch of sex, play dress up, and basically take their sweet ass time to get around to fixing the problem (and by the time Steve and Wonder Woman meet up, Wonder Woman knows the main villain has the wishing stone and is using it for bad purposes. they still decide to take like 24 hours off to go fuck and reconnect).
Eventually they discover the wishing stone always has some drawback, explicitly compared to the monkey's paw story. In Wonder Woman's case, the bad side effect of bringing Steve back was not, as you might think, stealing someone's body and casting their soul out. It is, instead, that Wonder Woman very slowly loses her powers. So Steve eventually convinces Wonder Woman that she must give up her wish in order to get her full powers back so she can stop the villain from using his wish powers to destroy the world and shit, and she tearfully does so (although she takes an incredibly long time and comes off astonishingly selfishly). Also I want to make clear that at no point is the original dude whose body Steve's inhabiting is never mentioned. He is a complete non-entity in all this. It's fucked up!
At the very end of the movie Wonder Woman sees the original dude again, back in his own body, and they sorta kinda flirt and then the movie ends. So original dude didn't permanently die or anything, but his body was used against his will for several days: it was used as a means for Wonder Woman and Steve to fuck, and it was brought into serious danger multiple times as Wonder Woman and Steve try to thwart the villains. That's so fucking messed up!!!
And the best part of all this is there is literally no reason they had to do things this way. The magic wishing stone later on is perfectly capable of materializing things out of thin air: including nuclear missiles, a giant wall crossing a whole nation, etc. There's very little reason that Steve had to have been brought back in this very specific way.
So yeah, it's super fucked up and pretty gross. Also contributes to Wonder Woman again being portrayed as a stupid emotional baby who should really just listen to the big strong man she's obsessed with because she keeps ruining everything with her gosh darn emotions. It's really fucking awesome that this message appeared in both of these movies!
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Umezono on January 09, 2021, 02:40:50 am
It's just as true that she herself is raped by the same definition. Kinda, but not really, but kinda.
But Wonder Woman was the person initiating this and obviously consented. The only person who couldn't consent here was the original person.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Byakko on January 09, 2021, 02:52:21 am
Sex with someone who is not who you think they are is legally rape (well, probably not everywhere, but it still is), so they're both victims - the guy isn't the one pretending to be Steve, sure, but there's still deception about his identity. And following that logic, Diana isn't the one doing the raping of the guy if she doesn't know it's not Steve ('s body). They're victims of the bad guy. When does she become aware it's not him ?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 09, 2021, 04:16:08 am
Immediately.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Byakko on January 09, 2021, 06:05:22 am
Oh wow okay lol that's a big nope.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Lichtbringer on January 09, 2021, 09:07:25 am
Ok... another movie I can skip then, damn I was so hyped when I saw the trailer but after all I have read so far...
Damn -.-
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Jmorphman on January 09, 2021, 09:10:08 am
I'll give them that, it was a really cool trailer! The music, the editing, it promised so much!
... which probably made the actual movie sting worse :foreveralone:
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: rgveda99 on January 09, 2021, 09:57:54 am
Would it have been better if they actually had Circe as the villain instead of an evil Dragonball?
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 09, 2021, 07:14:20 pm
The movie's issues have nothing to do with the premise or the villains, in fact I dare say that the lion share of anything I actually like about it comes from Pedro Pascal
Circe, Dr. Psycho, Silver Swan, it does not matter if you've got problems at the script, direction and editing level
For example the movie has two opening action scenes, and the first one does nothing but remind you that Diana came from a mystical island and give a literal statement of the half-baked moral of the movie
It could be cut and nothing would be lost but 20 minutes off a bloated runtime
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 10, 2021, 02:38:09 am
Okay, so let me get this straight then: they made Wonder Woman, THE Wonder Woman, you know, one of the greatest superheroes of all time and the most iconic female superhero ever... a rapist. I hate all of this...
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Long John Killer on January 10, 2021, 04:01:16 am
Not that I've seen this movie yet, but considering the DCEU's trend for being edgy, this is just par for the course. Just disappointing to hear the first WW was their one-off good movie, second depending which side of the fence you sit on with Man of Steel and if you count inoffensively forgettable Shazam. (Besides that one Alien scene which is still literally the only part of the movie I can recall)
Going off Jmorphman's spoiler, I'd assume that the reason they went this way with the guy but the rules being different for other inanimate objects was probably explained at one point and left on the cutting room floor. Being explained doesn't really solve the issue, though. I suppose they should have had the two psyches fighting it out for control of the body so original dude can voice his opinion in on the matter, Bruce Banncer/Hulk style? Or just have him be a voice inside Steve's head at the very least. Minor change to solve a lot of issues. It's magic, cursed monkey paw magic at that designed to have unforeseen consequences, that's about all the explanation you really need to make that fit into the story.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 10, 2021, 04:08:05 am
Honestly, they could have solved the issue by simply making WW unaware that it was another guy and then having it revealed to her later on as the "bad side" of the wish.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Jmorphman on January 10, 2021, 05:03:38 am
The movie definitely doesn't mean to imply what it implies, and I suspect they were going for a Big (as in the Tom Hanks movie) or Mannequin type of whimsical 80s fantasy romance thing, but it just doesn't work at all the way they thought it was going to.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: PBRTODD101 on January 11, 2021, 07:54:08 am
Honestly the movie was great. Pascal killed it. Stole the show for me.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: Long John Killer on March 20, 2021, 04:20:43 am
So hey. Zack Snyder's Justice League is out now. Anyone catch it? Does anyone smile in it?
Or to put that in a less snide way, does it impress at all for someone who already doesn't like the DCEU's gloom and doom and general Snyder grittiness? I imagine it's if nothing else a more complete package than the 2017 movie, but I couldn't comment one way or another with firsthand knowledge; my interest was already evaporated with the first release and didn't see it back then.
I see general reviews are still cult-ish and tribal side versus side, calling for Whedon to be burned at the stake and whatnot or Snyder being a hack. You know, fanboy reviews. My take is everything surrounding the film sounds great, let a director fulfill his vision unclouded by corporate meddling, all profits go to suicide prevention, etc., all good things. I just....abhor his direction and vision and it being the new public face of the company at large.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Now presenting Gang Weed: The Movie
Post by: walt on March 30, 2021, 07:47:02 pm
So hey. Zack Snyder's Justice League is out now. Anyone catch it? Does anyone smile in it?
Or to put that in a less snide way, does it impress at all for someone who already doesn't like the DCEU's gloom and doom and general Snyder grittiness? I imagine it's if nothing else a more complete package than the 2017 movie, but I couldn't comment one way or another with firsthand knowledge; my interest was already evaporated with the first release and didn't see it back then.
I see general reviews are still cult-ish and tribal side versus side, calling for Whedon to be burned at the stake and whatnot or Snyder being a hack. You know, fanboy reviews. My take is everything surrounding the film sounds great, let a director fulfill his vision unclouded by corporate meddling, all profits go to suicide prevention, etc., all good things. I just....abhor his direction and vision and it being the new public face of the company at large.
His version of JL is everything you've come to expect from Zack Snyder, which means if you don't like HIM and "his craft", you probably won't like this one. He indulges heavily in Slow Motion, and wants absolutely everything to look majestic and larger than life ... which, when you're green lit for a 4 hour cut, you can totally abuse.
In the end, it feels like a completely different movie than 2017's Josstice League, it's hella more fleshed out and satisfying, but it takes a very long time to get to the GOOD STUFFTM