Disney has just confirmed that it has agreed to acquire George Lucas’ Lucasfilm Ltd, and that includes rights to the Star Wars franchise. The companies have also targeted a 2015 release for Star Wars: Episode 7. The stock and cash transaction is worth an estimated $4.05 billion. MORE TO COME
Bob Iger just announced that The Walt Disney Company is acquiring Lucasfilm – the global entertainment company founded by George Lucas and the home of the legendary Star Wars franchise. In addition to getting the rights to one of the greatest family franchises and epic stories of all time, Disney is also acquiring all of Lucasfilm’s operating businesses – including Industrial Light and Magic and Skywalker Sound.
Did you know? The Star Wars universe now has more than 17,000 characters inhabiting several thousand planets spanning 20,000 years. This gives Disney infinite inspiration and opportunities to continue the epic Star Wars saga. Fans can expect a new feature film, Star Wars Episode 7, in theaters worldwide in 2015. George Lucas will serve as creative consultant on the film and Kathleen Kennedy, the filmmaker George handpicked to lead Star Wars, Indiana Jones and the rest of Lucasfilm into the future will be the executive producer (she’s also joining Disney as president of Lucasfilm). With this many characters to develop and stories to tell, Disney plans to release a new Star Wars feature film every two or three years for the foreseeable future.
We’ve actually had a great working relationship with Lucasfilm for years -- with Star Wars and Indiana Jones themed attractions in our parks in Anaheim, Orlando, Paris and Tokyo. So, we’re starting with a strong foundation and compatible brands – and the addition of Lucasfilm Ltd. will support our growth strategy and create even more opportunity for Disney to create incredible entertainment and drive significant long-term value for our shareholders.
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Post by: Jango on October 30, 2012, 09:15:28 pm
No, this is great news.
On his own, George Lucas was responsible for tons of dumb shit, so I hope Disney can steer it back.
(also remember, the Tartakovsky Clone Wars miniseries was done by fans of the series that wanted to experiment with new ideas, and the result actually make the prequels watchable, so I'm hopeful Disney can work along those lines)
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Post by: Roman55 on October 30, 2012, 09:20:25 pm
The idea of SW with a Disney budget excites me enough.
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I put the TRAP quote because I couldn't think of anything else from SW. Agree with you on all points.
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Post by: Neocide on October 30, 2012, 09:21:06 pm
whoa, first marvel now this. Disney monopolizing ftw
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Post by: Jango on October 30, 2012, 09:32:11 pm
I'd totally pick up UMVC3 if they have a download patch that puts either Darth Vader or General Greivous in the game
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Post by: Jexsam on October 30, 2012, 10:49:42 pm
So at first I was excited about this.
Then I had a thought. I don't know how involved Disney was in the recent Marvel films, but my impression is that they let Marvel do what it wanted and basically threw money and resources at them, because Disney was smart enough to realize Marvel knew what they were doing.
Now, the power of Disney behind Star Wars could mean good things, but if they use the same approach with Lucasfilms as they did with Marvel... doesn't that just mean Lucas is going to have a lot more money to waste on stupid sequels/prequels?
Then again I know jack shit about this sort of thing so maybe my entire premise is wrong. Or at the very least Disney is smart enough to meddle in a new Star Wars flick to make sure it's not a bad movie.
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Post by: Neocide on October 30, 2012, 10:56:31 pm
I'd totally pick up UMVC3 if they have a download patch that puts either Darth Vader or General Greivous in the game
you know I would too. That would be full of win
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Post by: Cazaki on October 30, 2012, 11:23:34 pm
As long as these new movies aren't a 3rd trilogy that fucks with the series even MORE it's fine. I'd much rather see spinoffs involving Dark Horse or KOTOR's stuff or something that doesn't ruin the integrity of the original trilogy.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on October 31, 2012, 12:25:22 am
jorge lucas already set the bar pretty low anyway so I am not worried.
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Post by: TAW on October 31, 2012, 12:38:32 am
I'd like to see a movie based on The Force Unleased games.
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Post by: Cazaki on October 31, 2012, 12:56:15 am
The Force Unleashed games played like movies in their own right, I don't think they need a movie.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 31, 2012, 01:12:36 am
I hope this doesn't mean they're gonna cancel Clone Wars like they did Spectacular Spider-Man...
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Post by: kakkoii superhero on October 31, 2012, 09:35:08 am
... what more would there be? why can't George Lucas leave a completed saga alone and retire.
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Post by: Bea on October 31, 2012, 10:36:38 am
Wait, we now have a Disney princess that has a blaster, uses thermal detonators, has strong attitude and would kick a charming prince in the nuts? AWESOME!
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Post by: Cybaster on October 31, 2012, 01:19:10 pm
I'm still waiting for Kingdom Hearts with Wolverine and Spiderman as Sora's partners. Now, I have to look forward to have Darth Vader as final boss !
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Post by: Jango on October 31, 2012, 02:03:49 pm
Yeah let's see how well Wolverine handles the Little Mermaid world
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Post by: The Railgunner on October 31, 2012, 02:46:35 pm
God. Dammit. As long as Lucas isn't allowed to touch the main story anymore, then I'm good.
I'll only fully backing this if anything taking place after Episode VI is adapted directly from the Extended Universe.
Rumor has it that they are gonna make it so far into the future that it won't screw with the current continuity (ie. The Extended U).
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Post by: The Real Niko on November 01, 2012, 05:07:57 am
SO it's going to be present day.
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Post by: stevla83 on November 01, 2012, 05:39:36 am
I read online that the story of the new star wars will pick up 39 or 40 years into the future after return of the jedi with luke in his sixies passing on his knowledge to another genration but it's basiced on fantime line of the other movies like here's a link to a starwars wikia http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sequel_trilogy but hopefully if they do that it follows the comics story will anakin and luke's descendants
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on November 02, 2012, 03:12:53 pm
By the end of the year, the $4.05 billion sale of Lucasfilm to Disney should be finalized. And since George Lucas owns 100 percent of his company - which has little to no debt - all that money goes to him. After that, Lucas plans to quickly put the bulk of the money into a foundation which will primarily focus on educational issues, a spokesperson for Lucasfilm tells THR. "George Lucas has expressed his intention, in the event the deal closes, to donate the majority of the proceeds to his philanthropic endeavors." ... "For 41 years, the majority of my time and money has been put into the company," Lucas said in a statement Wednesday. "As I start a new chapter in my life, it is gratifying that I have the opportunity to devote more time and resources to philanthropy."
The spokesperson noted that this "announcement continues a commitment that Lucas made in 2010 to The Giving Pledge where he stated, "I am dedicating the majority of my wealth to improving education. It is the key to the survival of the human race. We have to plan for our collective future--and the first step begins with social, emotional, and intellectual tools we provide to our children. As humans, our greatest tool for survival is our ability to think and to adapt--as educators, storytellers, and communicators our responsibility is to continue to do so.'"
i guess we can now take back anything bad we ever said about george lucas
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Post by: Ricepigeon on November 02, 2012, 04:02:35 pm
Hopefully this doesn't hamper the Star Wars fan community. Otherwise Stars Wars Revisited is gonna go up in flames :'(
http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/ said:
Here’s what Adywan had to say on Facebook:
It is a dark time for Star Wars fan editors and will most likely be the end of the revisited saga………
As you have probably heard , Disney have purchased Lucasfilm and the complete Star Wars franchise. Disney are well known for not taking kindly to anyone touching anything they own. So i expect a cease and desist notice any time soon. Hopefully this will not be the case, but it looms a lot closer than when George owned the franchise. This news couldn’t have come at a worse time as i am nowhere near finishing the house or even being able to start the workroom thanks to my finances running out due to extra work i have had to do. With Christmas coming up along with the new arrival of my gorgeous grandson on the 27th October, there is no way i can restart work on ESB:R until after Xmas when i have paid off a few of the bills. I’m now preying that the bad news doesn’t come my way at any time in the near future, hopefully never.
So i think we may now need to prepare for some bad news
Let me (doubleofive) reiterate that we have not heard from any lawyers, and there are existing fan edits of other Disney franchises (Pirates, Marvel) that are available, so it’s not all doom and gloom just yet. We doubt Disney will take Lucas’ apparent lack of caring point of view on fan edits, but I’m sure they’ll be so focused on NEW ways to get your money that they won’t notice the non-existent loss fan edits cause.
Also, it’s possible they may restore and release the original theatrical cuts that Lucas refused to do just to placate us older fans! Personally, I’m not looking forward to the expansions of the Saga, maybe not having Lucas directly in charge will help (see Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan), maybe it will hinder. We just don’t know at this point.
We will just keep working until we hear otherwise.
Nothing yet but looks like they're preparing in the event it does.
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Post by: The Real Niko on November 08, 2012, 04:39:07 pm
Does Lucas' statement about using his wealth to help improve education mean he's going to build a Jedi Academy?!
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Post by: Lord Kain on November 09, 2012, 12:30:50 am
This geek sounds like hes got a hard on, Jesus chill the fuck out bro!
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Post by: I'm Agent Norman Jayden, FBI. on November 09, 2012, 12:52:53 am
You know, i'm sure there are some fans that are worried that they are going to ruin the franchise with this move. But c'mon guys. Disney doesn't make bad movies. There's no way it can get any worse than it has already.
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Post by: Jango on November 09, 2012, 01:24:17 am
This geek sounds like hes got a hard on, Jesus chill the fuck out bro!
It's Angry Joe's persona. I don't get why he calls himself Angry Joe if he keeps orgasming on-screen over games/this. Well except for his response to getting shut down at that Spike video game awards show.
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Post by: Person Man on November 13, 2012, 03:58:12 am
Quote
ICONIC space villain Darth Vader is to be brought back from the dead for a new trilogy of Star Wars films.
Following news that Disney has bought the rights to the lucrative sci-fi franchise and plans to make at least three more movies, industry insiders say the evil Vader will grace the big screen again.
“He’s an integral part of the franchise. Replacing him is virtually impossible,” explains a film mole. “The plan is for him to return and play a significant role in the new films.”
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Post by: Titiln on November 13, 2012, 04:29:29 am
why would you believe that
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Post by: Jango on November 13, 2012, 05:41:12 am
My reaction in a nutshell
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It could work if, say, he was a vision brought back by Luke's memories, kinda like that one extra-terrible Pokemon "movie" where Pikachu fights Mewtwo again even after they reconciled, since his memories were being manifested. However that movie was terrible and was only made to test the new dub voice actors, although the concept was kinda cool.
That or an army of Darth Vaders ala Robo-Ky in Guilty Gear, which would be hilarious in too many ways to describe
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Post by: SNT on November 13, 2012, 05:43:25 am
.
Or the new trilogy could just be Episode 3.25, 3.5, 3.75.
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Post by: Jango on November 13, 2012, 06:01:38 am
the fucking link said:
Fellow old favourites Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia – played by Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher – have already been tipped to reprise their respective roles.
While Vader seemingly met his end in the 1983 film The Return Of The Jedi it seems this will not stop his comeback.
“This is science fiction remember,” we’re told. “Darth Vader will rise from the ashes.”
So much for that theory, SNT
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Post by: SNT on November 13, 2012, 06:09:25 am
Spinsters sometimes use language like that to guarantee headlines. Vader rising from the ashes could just refer to him coming back to movie screens, not necessarily coming back to life in an Episode 7. Or at least I hope it doesn't mean that, it doesn't make any sense at all. Even if Vader was alive, he'd come to peace with himself, he'd effectively renounced Sith.
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Post by: Jango on November 13, 2012, 06:57:40 am
The wording says those three actors are coming back, and a quick Google search has other results that confirm the same.
So no, this is a sequel.
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Post by: Cybaster on November 13, 2012, 08:43:57 am
I have no idea which books are good or bad, but with the number of books based on the Star Wars franchise, couldn't they have taken one of them and adapt it. Or even the comics, for that matter ?
But hey, let's not judge, we don't have much elements yet. :P Maybe there's time travelling stuff involved, or resurrection through karma transfer.
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Post by: Jango on November 13, 2012, 10:16:35 am
I just checked with Jesuszilla who's a bigger Star Wars nut than I am and he said that the story is a fake. And since I've now found out express.co.uk is a British tabloid, well...
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 13, 2012, 10:18:16 am
I'm glad to have say I have a good idea what Episode VII will be about. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42fGYe5Omc)
Wonder if this will affect that CGI Clone Wars show on CN, though.
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Post by: Jango on November 13, 2012, 10:30:35 am
AUGH, this thread, first Angry Joe and now Robot Chicken. What next, is someone going to post Family Guy?!
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 13, 2012, 10:40:18 am
What, it was only expected. Did Family Guy ever make fun of a possible Episode VII in their collection of Star Wars specials, though? Don't recall.
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Post by: Titiln on November 13, 2012, 02:35:53 pm
industry insiders say the evil Vader will grace the big screen again.
any story that has "industry insider" "anonymous source" and the like has to be taken with a huge grain of salt
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Post by: walt on November 14, 2012, 05:34:40 pm
This is BIG BOSS all over again. Like "he's too important, he can't be dead, HIS DNA IS THE KEY TO THE UNIVERSE" kind of thing.
Or could go the Uchiha Madara way of "he's so important, here comes a well connected impostor that impersonates Vader".
Either way, Luke Leia Han - OK! Darth Vader - Hell no.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 15, 2012, 06:16:35 am
They could clone him. Shit, they could clone Obi Wan too and bring back Ewan McGregor.
But I'm still pretty convinced this is bullshit until I hear it from a real source.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 15, 2012, 06:42:38 am
I think the whole cloning theory went south after Force Unleashed II's little stunt. I'd think the last thing they'd want is to bring back Vader with a completely broken mind.
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Post by: Roman55 on November 21, 2012, 04:39:51 am
EXCLUSIVE: Here’s some tantalizing dish to chew on before the Thanksgiving turkey and trimmings. After hiring Michael Arndt to script the first installment of the relaunch of George Lucas’ Star Wars franchise, I’ve heard Disney has approached Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg and I believe it is to get the ball rolling on the subsequent installments mapped out by Lucas. Both of the scribes in question have franchise experience.
Kasdan scripted two of the original Star Wars films in the 1980 The Empire Strikes Back and the 1983 follow-up Return of the Jedi. He also scripted Raiders Of The Lost Ark for Lucas and Steven Spielberg. Kinberg’s franchise work: X-Men: First Class, Sherlock Holmes and the upcoming X-Men: Days Of Future Past which Bryan Singer will direct.
Disney’s $4 billion buy of George Lucas’ signature franchise certainly has stirred up passions from fans. I’m still feeling so let down by the last three films that I am not sure they can bring back the magic on the original trilogy, which was so groundbreaking for its time. But that time seems like a galaxy so far far away.
Back in the late 1970s, Star Wars set the bar for visual effects in science fiction. Doing that again is very difficult in the age of The Hobbit, The Dark Knight and Avatar. But Disney was certainly proven right when it spent the same money on Marvel, and already has made back much of that cash with The Avengers.
Disney plans to generate a film every other year starting in 2015. Getting great writers is the right way to relaunch Star Wars, and the studio got off to a good start hiring Star Wars fanatic Arndt to do the first installment. The studio has told me that they will not address speculation. Fair enough. But I’m going to go with my sources on this one and I would not be surprised if these guys sign on, or if they are already in the fold.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 25, 2013, 03:06:41 am
J.J. Abrams seems to be a lock for the director of the next movie, (http://www.avclub.com/articles/today-in-star-wars-rumors-jj-abrams-is-directing-s,91573/) which is weird because he already did two Star Wars movies.
Oh wait, those were supposed to be Star Trek movies. My apologies.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2013, 10:55:25 pm
It's official: J.J. Abrams will direct the new Star Wars. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/today-in-star-wars-realities-jj-abrams-really-is-d,91664/)
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Post by: Jango on January 28, 2013, 11:08:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MYz33hM.jpg)
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Post by: Memo on January 28, 2013, 11:08:29 pm
oh god i hope they dont bring back vader, he sacrificed himself at the end of ROTJ to save luke. and hes not evil anymore so if he came back it should be as a ghost or something like obi wan and yoda did or it would make ROTJ pointless..
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2013, 11:14:59 pm
I actually think it's a pretty good choice. And it will get him away from Star Trek, so maybe the third thirteenth Trek movie will actually be more like Star Trek and less like Star Wars.
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Post by: Jango on January 28, 2013, 11:24:40 pm
The problem is J.J. Abrams is merely an adequate director. He is not an exceptional director. And walking out of a theater after seeing a Star Wars movie and saying, "eh, it was okay" is not a thing that should happen, which is why I hated Episode II
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Episode I is better simply because it's like watching Space Jam. It's so fucking cheesy
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2013, 11:33:22 pm
But none of the directors who have done Star Wars movies have been exceptional! Star Wars doesn't really need an exceptional director, they just need one who isn't absolutely terrible or thinks sand is romantic.
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Post by: Do not even ask on January 29, 2013, 03:14:29 am
You've clearly never had sex on/with a beach. Shit's erotic/romantic as fuck.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 03:59:07 am
You've clearly never had sex on/with a beach. Shit's erotic/romantic as fuck.
But it's so coarse and it gets everywhere! Also, Disney is cancelling those 3D conversions of the rest of the movies. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/disney-announces-new-special-edition-of-the-future,91698/) Now the Phantom Menace will wallow alone.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 06, 2013, 11:30:09 pm
So there might be even more Star Wars movies outside of the new trilogy, one of which might star Yoda. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/today-in-star-wars-rumors-the-internet-searches-it,92042/) Uh, OK.
And then two other possible ones, one about a young Han Solo, and another about the universe's worst bounty hunter, Boba Fett. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/today-in-star-wars-rumors-add-han-solo-and-boba-fe,92117/) The latter is rumored to take place in between A New Hope/Empire or Empire/Jedi, so don't get your hopes up of seeing Fett emerge from that Sarlacc pit because professional fan-fiction.
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Post by: DNZRX768 on February 07, 2013, 05:07:51 am
I am sure that Star Wars's in good hands, considering the stellar record Disney had with Marvel and the Animated Canon line.
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Post by: Jango on February 07, 2013, 11:17:02 am
The latter is rumored to take place in between A New Hope/Empire or Empire/Jedi, so don't get your hopes up of seeing Fett emerge from that Sarlacc pit because professional fan-fiction.
But we already have that movie. It's called Once Were Warriors.
And I agree with you Jmorph. No matter what Disney does, Boba Fett will always be the guy who accidentally got killed by a blind man with a stick.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2013, 10:49:08 pm
And I agree with you Jmorph. No matter what Disney does, Boba Fett will always be the guy who accidentally got killed by a blind man with a stick.
And that was after trying to shoot a rope at a Jedi warrior. A ROPE.
Seriously I will never ever understand the love people have for Boba Fett.
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Post by: MightyKombat on February 07, 2013, 10:52:47 pm
As a preemptive don't even fucking bother bringing up OH HE GOT OUT OF THE SARLACC IN THE EXPANDED yeah the same expanded universe that had Daala as head of the new Republic right? I rest my case.
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2013, 10:57:09 pm
I don't care what the expanded universe says! The movies show him as an incompetent loser who gets lucky. The only thing he does is follow the Falcon. Nothing else. He didn't capture Han and the others, the Empire did!
But the EU writers were like, hey, his armor looks cool, let's rescue him and pile on feat after feat of badassery. Stupid professional fan-fiction!
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Post by: MightyKombat on February 07, 2013, 11:00:57 pm
Karen TRaviss wasn't helping either with her Mandalore masturbation
On the other hand Thrawn was alright
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Post by: Long John Killer on February 07, 2013, 11:04:38 pm
A movie starring Yoda, huh? Didn't Spaceballs predict this, kinda? Well, I always liked Yoda, so hoping to see where that ends up.
....And I like Boba. :(
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Post by: Basara Lapis on February 15, 2013, 07:07:06 pm
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/15/star-wars-episode-vii-new-report-says-harrison-ford-will-indeed-return-as-han-solo (http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/02/star-wars-han-solo.jpg) Yes, he's back. Also is going to confirm Luke and Leia as part of the roster, the 3 of them part of Episode VII but isn't clear if they would be integral part of the story or just as cameos
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Post by: Person Man on February 15, 2013, 07:31:57 pm
Kris Straub said:
it’s too bad we don’t have an example of a movie where harrison ford came back to play a beloved character after a very long interval and kind of sleepwalked through it
Yeah, I'm not super jazzed about that, honestly. It reeks of "because we can" at the expense of "do you think we should." I'd much rather see them just move the franchise forward than watch it turn into a big masturbatory love-letter to the previous films. "Hey guys, Star Wars! Remember Star Wars? We're gonna have all the same stuff you remember Star Wars having!"
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Post by: Byakko on February 15, 2013, 07:41:43 pm
i wonder how Carrie Fisher will fit in the story...and by fit, i do mean it literally: she could play Jabba right the fuck now
special effects
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Post by: Dragon of Courage on March 10, 2013, 11:45:02 pm
Awaiting Carrie Fisher's confirmation.
I hope her daughter with Han Solo would be played by Selena Gomez or Demi Lovato (I tried to even mention Miley Cyrus, but she has more detractors than Gomez and Lovato combined).
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 10, 2013, 11:48:45 pm
Why are all your casting suggestions singers that have occasionally acted before? o_O
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Post by: Dragon of Courage on March 10, 2013, 11:54:06 pm
Why are all your casting suggestions singers that have occasionally acted before? o_O
Because it's Disney! And Disney bought the Star Wars franchise. So I want EPISODE VII to focus on the "NEW GENERATION OF FORCE".
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 10, 2013, 11:58:39 pm
Most Disney movies have actual actors in them.
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Post by: Byakko on March 10, 2013, 11:59:39 pm
Don't put bad Disney singers in Star Wars thank you. It's a horrible idea.
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Post by: Roman55 on March 11, 2013, 12:13:29 am
Not only that but the fandom will pretty much go after the lives of everyone involved if that happens.
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Post by: Person Man on March 11, 2013, 12:22:06 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordballoon2_zps6530429e.png[/avatar]Guys, guys, guys. Everyone knows that Disney only allows Disney Channel stars to be in movies they own. Remember how they cast the Jonas Brothers in all of the lead roles of The Avengers?
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Post by: RobotMonkeyHead on March 11, 2013, 12:55:39 am
It better not be a musical.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2013, 01:34:51 am
Guys, guys, guys. Everyone knows that Disney only allows Disney Channel stars to be in movies they own. Remember how they cast the Jonas Brothers in all of the lead roles of The Avengers?
I will punch you only because there are people who think like that and you will act like proxy.
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Post by: Dragon of Courage on March 11, 2013, 02:56:49 am
maximilianjenus, are you a Jonatic?
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Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2013, 03:10:15 am
I have no idea what that means.
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Post by: Jmorphman on March 11, 2013, 03:11:32 am
I think it means "fan of the Jonas Brothers"?
Are the Jonas Brothers even still a thing?
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Post by: Dragon of Courage on March 11, 2013, 03:18:36 am
Currenty, the Jonas Brothers aren't too much relevant for now. But at least, they are philantrophes.
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 11, 2013, 03:33:09 am
Already done http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/730198/star-wars-episode-vii-carrie-fisher-confirms-return/ So, the main characters from IV-VI trilogy are done ;)
Also, LOL about using teen Disney stars for the new trilogy, that won't happen. I mean, if wasn't happened with Tron Legacy, The Chronicles of Narnia series, Pirates of the Caribbean series, Marvel Cinematic Universe and Oz: The Great and Powerful, why it should this could happens in a franchise so big as Star Wars?? I mean, c'mon people!!
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Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 11, 2013, 11:41:17 pm
From your link: (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/730198/star-wars-episode-vii-carrie-fisher-confirms-return/)
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*UPDATE: Apparently Fisher's rep has told CNN that "she was joking," reiterating that "nothing has been announced." We could take this to mean that the news actually was true and the retraction was just damage control or that...you know, she was joking.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Post by: Jango on March 12, 2013, 01:08:06 am
Sorry, Nostalgia Critic is the LAST person to be labelling people as "unfunny."
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Post by: Person Man on March 12, 2013, 01:39:15 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordthrone.png[/avatar]In much happier news, that fucking terrible looking animated Stars Wars spoof show Seth Green was going to be doing is probably getting shit-canned because Disney doesn't want someone making fun of tired Star Wars references when they're trying to get people excited for a new movie.
In much happier news, that fucking terrible looking animated Stars Wars spoof show Seth Green was going to be doing is probably getting shit-canned because Disney doesn't want someone making fun of tired Star Wars references when they're trying to get people excited for a new movie.
In much happier news, that fucking terrible looking animated Stars Wars spoof show Seth Green was going to be doing is probably getting shit-canned because Disney doesn't want someone making fun of tired Star Wars references when they're trying to get people excited for a new movie.
Okay it's been a few hours, so sorry, Nostalgia Critic is the LAST person to be labelling people as "unfunny."
Still not working, damn... what OS are you using? I'm using DBOAF™ (differences between opinion and facts) 8 Professional. I think there are some compatibillity issues here.
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Post by: Jango on March 14, 2013, 06:19:13 am
/me starts screaming loudly in a high-pitched voice while waving his arms wildly, then proceeds to sum up an entire movie
there was that funny? Because that's a Nostalgia Critic review.
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Post by: Do not even ask on March 14, 2013, 07:02:33 am
you forgot to "shoot" a plastic gun
D-
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Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 14, 2013, 06:15:06 pm
/me starts screaming loudly in a high-pitched voice while waving his arms wildly, then proceeds to sum up an entire movie
there was that funny? Because that's a Nostalgia Critic review.
Right, first of all, get a hint: You can't sit there and tell me to get your sense of humor. I have my own and I'm fine with it.
Secondly, sometimes I find that funny, sometimes I don't. If it's overused, I don't. But to say that's all the NC is about only tells me you haven't watched his "show" nearly as much as I have, which is fine, because I can respect the fact you don't like him, and I'm not gonna harass you for thinking differently than me.
Thirdly, I do believe we oughta stop derailing this thread, and we can do so by leaving things alone and not getting butthurt because our opinion isn't shoved down the other person's throat successfully.
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Post by: walt on March 14, 2013, 07:44:35 pm
^ This man speaks the truth.
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Post by: Jango on March 14, 2013, 09:42:08 pm
Secondly, sometimes I find that funny, sometimes I don't. If it's overused, I don't. But to say that's all the NC is about only tells me you haven't watched his "show" nearly as much as I have, which is fine, because I can respect the fact you don't like him, and I'm not gonna harass you for thinking differently than me.
I was a huuuuuuuuge fan until I started realizing his videos started overusing memes and just were the same old shit every episode. That and the Mako lung cancer joke.
Thirdly, I do believe we oughta stop derailing this thread, and we can do so by leaving things alone and not getting butthurt because our opinion isn't shoved down the other person's throat successfully.
I'll agree with not derailing, but you're doing a terrible job of being civil.
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Post by: Basara Lapis on March 16, 2013, 07:02:53 am
Hey, you started all of this with your Nostalgia Critic video about my post. And I wasn't joking about it. Also, she never deconfirms her appearance, just said about there's no official confirmation...
Until the day next to that aclaration (March 7th) when Lucas signed these 3 to Episode VII, so it's very official now (http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/03/star-wars-hamill-fisher-ford-episode-vii/)
Hey, you started all of this with your Nostalgia Critic video about my post. And I wasn't joking about it. Also, she never deconfirms her appearance, just said about there's no official confirmation...
There are two things you're not seeing here, though. One of them is I was staying on topic while posting it. The second one is it was "not funny" how Fisher's representative said she was only joking when she said she'd be back. I never meant to imply you were joking about anything.
And yeah, I don't know about those news, they seem a little out of nowhere. I figure they're just gonna dicktease us for a while, even if they have the answers.
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Post by: Roman55 on March 24, 2013, 05:04:38 am
When Lucasfilm Animation announced earlier this month that it would be wrapping up Star Wars: The Clone Wars, the news was bittersweet. We've enjoyed the animated series, but it's had a good run, and we were anxious to learn what becomes of the characters in the wake of the emotional season finale. But now TheForce.net is reporting that the studio will release just two more arcs of the series, and neither will provide "clear resolutions" for Ahsoka Tano.
TheForce.net has reported that, as part of the Lucasfilm reorganization for Episode VII and other upcoming projects, the Clone Wars team has been disbanded, meaning that instead of a full Season Six, we'll be seeing what's being called "bonus content." And, according to TheForce.net's sources, that content won't answer our questions about the fates of Ahsoka and Asajj Ventress. Today, it reports that Lucasfilm will release just two of the planned Season Six arcs.
Allow me to respond with this: Argh.
Although Clone Wars has pulled in dozens of characters from various tribes of the Star Wars universe, its overarching story has been about the changing relationship between Anakin Skywalker and his Padawan, Ahsoka Tano. For five seasons, we've wondered just what becomes of Ahsoka. Will she die before the events of Revenge of the Sith? Will her fate contribute to Anakin's ultimate downfall? The Fifth Season finale made these questions all the more compelling, and renewed our interest in renegade Sith Ventress. Without answers about these characters in this relationship, it feels like Clone Wars is, through no fault of its team, reneging on the promises it has made over the years. Why is Lucasfilm shortchanging its loyal fans—especially its youngest fans—as part of an internal reorganization?
A growing groups of fans are hoping to convince Disney and Lucasfilm to reconsider the series' abrupt truncation through the website Save The Clone Wars and the hashtag #SaveTheCloneWars. Hopefully, Lucasfilm will ultimately decide to give the series a complete and satisfying ending.
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Post by: Jmorphman on September 14, 2013, 04:46:32 am
So there's basically gonna be a Star Wars movie every year, although most of those will be "origin movies", or something. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/today-in-star-wars-reports-yep-those-standalone-mo,102844/)
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Post by: Roman55 on September 14, 2013, 04:54:05 am
So much for the already established universe.
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Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2013, 05:07:54 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordugh.png[/avatar]That's great, because if the prequels taught us anything, it's that everyone loves entire movies dedicated to tons of pointless backstory exposition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y).
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Post by: Tyrant Belial on September 14, 2013, 06:04:58 am
The only origin story that is acceptable is Jango Fett and it should only be him murdering everything and being a Mandalorian jackass.
And yes, Jango Fett, not Boba. he has a horrible backstory, Clone Wars and Episode 2 shows it clear.
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Post by: Joulz on September 15, 2013, 01:01:02 am
origin stories? wait...does that mean we will eventually see that fucking horrible Jar Jar Binks?? O_O please no
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2014, 11:19:33 pm
Turbo Revival:
Adam Driver, best known as the Hannah's boyfriend on Girls (to me he will always be this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwO-k-RqNA)), is probably gonna be the main villain of either the next movie or the whole trilogy. (http://www.avclub.com/article/adam-driver-all-people-will-probably-play-next-sta-201594)
Which... seems pretty odd? Like Jesse Eisenburg as Lex Luthor weird.
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Post by: Roman55 on March 14, 2014, 09:43:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/OUBQOiv.jpg?1)
Great design choice Disney this sure is what we were hoping.
S7AR WARS
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Post by: Titiln on March 14, 2014, 09:45:35 pm
that's probably a working title and the real name will be Star Wars: The Ocarina Of Time or whatever
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Post by: Byakko on March 14, 2014, 09:48:39 pm
Yeah, this simply looks like a teaser to show that this is happening for realz.
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Post by: Roman55 on April 08, 2014, 04:20:21 am
But but but Chewie died in the Expanded Universe or something, won't somebody please think of the canon!
They dropped a moon on him. I am not sure that is enough to kill Chewie. He might have been hiding for a while, recovering for his flesh wounds and planning revenge!
Also, Peter Mayhew is one of the coolest guys around and I have met him at GenCon 2008. I am really happy to see him back.
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Post by: Roman55 on April 25, 2014, 09:58:28 pm
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For over 35 years, the Expanded Universe has enriched the Star Wars experience for fans seeking to continue the adventure beyond what is seen on the screen. When he created Star Wars, George Lucas built a universe that sparked the imagination, and inspired others to create. He opened up that universe to be a creative space for other people to tell their own tales. This became the Expanded Universe, or EU, of comics, novels, videogames, and more.
While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.
Now, with an exciting future filled with new cinematic installments of Star Wars, all aspects of Star Wars storytelling moving forward will be connected. Under Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy's direction, the company for the first time ever has formed a story group to oversee and coordinate all Star Wars creative development.
"We have an unprecedented slate of new Star Wars entertainment on the horizon," said Kennedy. "We're set to bring Star Wars back to the big screen, and continue the adventure through games, books, comics, and new formats that are just emerging. This future of interconnected storytelling will allow fans to explore this galaxy in deeper ways than ever before."
In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.
Demand for past tales of the Expanded Universe will keep them in print, presented under the new Legends banner.
On the screen, the first new canon to appear will be Star Wars Rebels. In print, the first new books to come from this creative collaboration include novels from Del Rey Books. First to be announced, John Jackson Miller is writing a novel that precedes the events of Star Wars Rebels and offers insight into a key character's backstory, with input directly from executive producers Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, and Greg Weisman.
And this is just the beginning of a creatively aligned program of Star Wars storytelling created by the collaboration of incredibly talented people united by their love of that galaxy far, far away....
So essentially everything post Return of the Jedi is officially not canon anymore, however the material is there for people producing Star Wars products set in future time frames to draw from.
The books set in the EU that are not canon will still be available for future print runs with the Legend's Banner.
Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
Uh, which Clone Wars? Whenever they add "The" to it, they usually mean the 2008 movie or the following t.v. show, which to my understanding, are both highly non-canon. With Anakin's padawan and Force Gods and all. But the 2003 one was canon, minus Grevious' voice (And apparently being a badass), leading straight into Episode III.
The 2003 one I get, just the wrong name was used, but now I'm confused if the show or the 2008 movie are canon.
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Post by: Roman55 on April 25, 2014, 10:33:03 pm
Probably referring to the show. The movie was just a poorly hidden pilot for it anyway.
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Post by: Long John Killer on April 25, 2014, 10:54:18 pm
So, what, only select parts of the show are canon? In that case, can we keep the zombie Geonosians and Darth Maul being alive?
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Post by: Roman55 on April 29, 2014, 02:36:47 am
According to a post on the Disboards, Disney is getting more strict this year when it comes to fan costumes, and is outright prohibiting certain Expanded Universe characters, including Mara Jade, from participating in the motorcade.
well this isn't gonna help some already negative opinions on the EU decisions and Disney in general....If this is true that is.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 29, 2014, 04:40:56 am
That's just ridiculous. The whole EU thing though... I mean, I understand how it feels to see a whole bunch of stuff that you grew up with summarily exiled from continuity (thanks New 52!), but the whole canon stuff in Star Wars was crazy and untenable:
Star Wars canon levels said:
G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).[1]
T-canon,[2] or Television Canon[3], refers to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television shows Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series.[4][5] It was devised recently in order to define a status above the C-Level canon, as confirmed by Chee[6].
C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be;[7] they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.
S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.
N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared canon.
D is Detours Canon, used for material hailing from Star Wars Detours.[8]
this just makes my head hurt. This shouldn't be this complicated! But it still must really suck to all the EU fans. :-\
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Post by: Roman55 on April 29, 2014, 11:21:58 pm
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Post by: DNZRX768 on April 29, 2014, 11:55:15 pm
So, the original cast is coming back together again.
Why do I get the feeling that they will be only there for a few minutes at most?
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 30, 2014, 12:03:55 am
That seems like a pretty stupid feeling. Even if they kill off Han Solo or something because Harrison Ford doesn't want to do any more stuff, they'll have to have him in it long enough to pass on the torch.
Aww man I was about to post that. So instead here is some crazy Star Wars backstory, courtesy of an article that was discussing Oscar Issac being cast (http://www.avclub.com/article/today-rapidly-dwindling-star-wars-rumors-oscar-isa-203960), about that band that was playing in Jabba's palace:
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Hey, on a related note, did you know that Max Rebo’s band was originally called Evar Orbus And His Galactic Jizz-Wailers (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Evar_Orbus_and_His_Galactic_Jizz-Wailers)? Or that all of these groups played “jizz (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz)” music? Yes, there were so many colorful characters in that era, spreading their jizz across every dive bar in the galaxy.
JIZZ MUSIC
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Post by: Roman55 on April 30, 2014, 09:53:08 pm
Hey turns out the casting isn't finished. Rumor has it that it's for that mixed-race part who some sites claim is a descendant of Obi-Wan (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=99071).
That idea seems stupidly PC to me. But hey, maybe it'll be good.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 30, 2014, 10:16:21 pm
That was rumored for a while, Lupita Nyong'o was in the the running and apparently still is, and I dunno about you guys but that sonds fantastic. I mean she did just win an Oscar!
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 19, 2014, 10:27:16 pm
There's a leaked list of Star Wars toylines, revealing 6 upcoming SW projects, and it seems to be legit (http://www.avclub.com/article/today-star-wars-rumors-may-be-list-planned-star-wa-204832). There's of course 3 for Episodes VII-XI, and 3 for spin-off projects that may or may not end up being films; there's the previously rumored Boba Fett prequel (finally, we can learn more, on screen at least, about the great bounty hunter who shot a rope at a Jedi Knight and was killed by a blind man with a stick), there's apparently going to be a Han Solo prequel, and there's something called Red Five, which may be about Luke as an X-Wing pilot in between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back or something?
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Post by: Roman55 on May 21, 2014, 10:52:19 pm
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Post by: Bea on May 22, 2014, 12:29:52 pm
Motherf**king practical effects on my motherf**king Star Wars! I am sooooo happy to see this.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 04, 2014, 04:15:34 am
So it turns out Lupita Nyong’o is in the movie, awesome. (http://www.avclub.com/article/lupita-nyongo-and-gwendoline-christie-join-star-wa-205277) Gwendoline Christie from Game of Thrones was also cast.
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Post by: walt on June 12, 2014, 09:59:15 pm
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Post by: FirePony on November 28, 2014, 04:33:47 pm
It looks promising as Hell, and I'm not really keen on Star Wars! :)
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Post by: walt on November 28, 2014, 04:42:35 pm
That looks good, a balanced mixture of practical effects and CG.
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Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on November 28, 2014, 04:56:45 pm
SO HYPE!!! :D
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Post by: Lord Kain on November 29, 2014, 09:04:00 pm
So there is massive bad racist comments on youtube (as usual) about the black storm trooper, and that they did the first shot that way to create controversy which i dont think is true, also lots of comments wondering about him being a jedi trying to escape by disguising as one or simply clones that are like him?, not really much of a starwars geek but I have a question, were clones still existing during this timeline of StarWars?
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Post by: Cazaki on November 29, 2014, 09:13:00 pm
I talked about this earlier. While no one yet knows for sure, the clones are no longer needed in Star Wars by this point. There's no intergalactic war or threat. They could still have a clone army, but I'm sure that the ethics behind having a clone army when there is no galactic crisis would have certain people up in arms, and they would disband the idea entirely until needed.
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Post by: Bea on November 29, 2014, 09:26:26 pm
By the time A New Hope happened, Fett clones were a minority within the ranks of stormtroopers. Most of them were enlisted people instead.
The clone trooper article at wookieepedia has far more details about it: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_trooper
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Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 12:38:21 am
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 12:52:27 am
That guy's going to probably be the Luke of this movie I don't see the problem.
What the Star Wars movies really need are less main characters from different planets linked by blood or six degrees of separation, so let's hope for that.
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Post by: Neocide on November 30, 2014, 12:56:28 am
not to mention the fact he's whining about black characters when there's a lot of other minorities who haven't shown up at all in the series.
I hate whiny ass people like that. Also who the fuck said Jar Jar is black, I do not take credit for that character at all, so that guy is not speaking for me when he says he was some black character. wth
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 01:04:43 am
Yeah, the segment of humanity that claims anything to do with Jar-Jar should begin and end with George Lucas. I don't think anybody else should claim him as a relation, not even the animators or the voice actor.
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Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 01:19:00 am
What the Star Wars movies really need are less main characters from different planets linked by blood or six degrees of separation
Eeeh, that's not really a fair point. The whole series revolved around Anakin and Luke in the first place. (obviously I'm only taking the movies, in case you want to bring up books or comics or cartoons) Also, Obi-Wan and Yoda and the likes aren't related by blood, it's also unfair to dismiss them with the "six degrees of separation" as soon as they become the master of the main character. It's not like all stories absolutely need to have separate groups of characters that don't interact. It's a story about the hero of the Force and the guys who trained him.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 01:29:35 am
I don't know, I feel like when you get into stuff like "Chewbacca and Yoda were totally bros he just never mentioned it" you've gone too far. And I was never a big fan of Anakin being the be-all end-all of the prequel movies in the first place. It just felt like retroactive fait accompli.
EDIT: Actually, I suppose it was, but it didn't have to be so obvious as making him Force Jesus.
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Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 01:37:38 am
I don't know, I feel like when you get into stuff like "Chewbacca and Yoda were totally bros he just never mentioned it" you've gone too far.
Ah, right, I get your point. Yeah, that's something you typically see in fanfictions. Bad ones. As for Anakin's story, that's always been the plan, but... the prequel movies were pretty badly done, showing you Anakin's evolution by being an idiot, not making you connect in any way with him to understand his evolution, and telling you "well that's what happened, you're supposed to feel so and so about them, take it or leave it". But on paper, it's supposed to make sense as a whole. (the "Force Jesus" with the midchlo..ri...dians...? things was just terrible writing, also supposed to tell you "yes, he's Jesus because here's some new science that says so, so from now on just accept that he's The One")
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Post by: Berry on November 30, 2014, 01:50:35 am
What prequel movies, what are you guys talking about?
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Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 01:53:55 am
Iunno, there is a legend about some never released prequel movie that are pretty bad but thats just a legend.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2014, 05:51:52 am
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Post by: Byakko on April 17, 2015, 03:15:33 pm
You know, between that BI article and a French article on some news site, it's the second time I see comments on the "unidentified voice" that says "the Force is strong in my family, my father has it, I have it, my sister has it". ... Is there anyone who remembers that it's the exact line Luke said to Leia in episode VI to let her know that she was his sister, just before he went to fight Vader ? It's not a new line that a new character is saying, it's not Luke saying it again (implying that Vader is still alive since he's talking in the present tense - yes, I've seen that wild guess), it's totally a flashback.
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Post by: Bea on April 17, 2015, 03:20:50 pm
I don't quite get where those people are getting the whole "unidentified" either, since it is clearly Mark Hamill's voice there. And his father is now part of the force, so he still has it.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 23, 2015, 08:24:06 pm
More information about Star Wars: Rogue One has been released. Turns out it's not about Rogue Squadron (like pretty much everyone thought it might be) but will instead focus on the stealing of the Death Star plans, taking place right before A New Hope. (http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/19/8451743/star-wars-rogue-one-plot-description)
Intriguingly, the filmmakers have stressed that they want to try and explore different genres within the Star Wars universe, with Rogue One trying out a gritty war movie style. That's very welcome news!
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Post by: Bea on April 23, 2015, 09:00:48 pm
Those are awesome news! :D I am glad they will be taking risks with the Star Wars brand.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 23, 2015, 10:14:55 pm
Wait, I just had a thought. Is Kyle Katarn still canon?
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Post by: Roman55 on April 23, 2015, 10:17:12 pm
Probably unless otherwise stated. Wouldn't surprise me if he was.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 23, 2015, 10:18:32 pm
Aww :(
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Post by: Bea on April 23, 2015, 10:21:15 pm
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Post by: Roman55 on May 01, 2015, 07:13:08 am
Well there ya go.
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 02, 2015, 07:27:40 am
So it turns out that the director of Chronicle and that Fantastic Four reboot, Josh Trank, has quit/been fired from the directing job of the second standalone Star Wars movie. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/inside-a-star-wars-firing-792933) Apparently, this was driven by the incredibly troubled production of Fantastic Four, which apparently required extremely hands-on assistance from Fox's head superhero movie producers (and also apparently Trank caused $100,00 in damages to the house the studio rented out for him for FF production, which is just, what the fuck!?).
so uh yeah sounds like Disney dodged a bullet there
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Post by: Roman55 on May 02, 2015, 07:31:08 am
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Among those bumps: Trank has several small dogs who were left in a rented house in New Orleans while the film was shooting there. According to sources, as much as $100,000 worth of damage was done to the property. A source says the production considers any destruction of the property to be Trank's responsibility.
Ha ha ha what
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 02, 2015, 07:33:55 am
So it was just his dogs tearing up stuff? That's considerably less "rock star" than I thought it was
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 02, 2015, 07:34:44 am
I can't even begin to imagine how three dogs could cause that much damage, it's gotta be something else too, right?
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Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on May 02, 2015, 07:38:45 am
Maybe one of the dogs broke a $100 vase? :punk:
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Post by: Speedpreacher on May 02, 2015, 07:55:29 am
That'll teach Fox to use rental houses to show off their Ming vase collection
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Post by: Jango on May 03, 2015, 01:15:29 am
I can't even begin to imagine how three dogs could cause that much damage, it's gotta be something else too, right?
Maybe one of them ate Dan Hill's heart.
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 08, 2015, 04:26:06 pm
The upcoming movie roster they were gonna reveal at Comic Con has been leaked:
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(http://i.imgur.com/ctT1hNQ.jpg) I'm glad that the rumored Boba Fett and Han Solo movies are combined into one because the former is terrible, let's be honest here, he's got a cool look and never did anything of note until the expanded universe went all nuts in turning him into a Gary Stu. And slight riffs on the character of Han Solo have been in so many movies, especially recent ones (two in less than a year, both played by Chris Pratt!) that it's starting to get stale.
Kenobi movie sounds interesting, I guess it means McGregor is coming back?
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Post by: Poemi Watanabe on July 08, 2015, 04:48:39 pm
The upcoming movie roster they were gonna reveal at Comic Con has been leaked:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(http://i.imgur.com/ctT1hNQ.jpg) I'm glad that the rumored Boba Fett and Han Solo movies are combined into one because the former is terrible, let's be honest here, he's got a cool look and never did anything of note until the expanded universe went all nuts in turning him into a Gary Stu. And slight riffs on the character of Han Solo have been in so many movies, especially recent ones (two in less than a year, both played by Chris Pratt!) that it's starting to get stale.
Kenobi movie sounds interesting, I guess it means McGregor is coming back?
Holy shit, 6 movies?! I'm willing to see them, but Jesus Christ these guys need to take their time!
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Post by: Jmorphman on July 08, 2015, 04:51:32 pm
Everyone wants to be Marvel, gotta get that Avengers money!!!
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Post by: Roman55 on July 11, 2015, 06:16:11 am
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Post by: Bea on July 11, 2015, 08:37:55 am
Odin, that was beautiful. That will be THE one film to give Mad Max: Fury Road a run for it's money this year. Because nothing else can.
And I have grand plans for it's premier.
Title: I think we should turn this into a general Star Wars thread at this point
Post by: Roman55 on October 11, 2015, 02:21:20 am
Uhhh, if it's Boba in the helmet only or if it's a Jodo Kast situation that's cool but if they're shifting him from a New Zealander to a Black man that can open up a lot of worms. Not to mention, aren't the prequels still canon?
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Post by: Titiln on October 11, 2015, 02:41:38 am
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Additionally, he believes that Walt Disney Studios is making every effort to hire a non-white male director to helm the project to satisfy their new diversity mandate.
:cawg:
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Post by: Jango on October 11, 2015, 02:51:47 am
I hope they make a Sebulba Chronicles movie with a Chinese director, preferably Zhang Yimou (or failing that, Wong Kar-Wai so we can have a super-quirky Sebulba that buys a carton of Blue Milk that expires on May 1st every day as a means to count the days he's separated from his girlfriend).
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Post by: Ricepigeon on October 11, 2015, 02:53:07 am
Worse comes to worse they could always pull a Khan say that his skin was bleached & body structure physically altered in order to conceal his identity from the masses. ;)
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 11, 2015, 04:48:39 am
Uhhh, if it's Boba in the helmet only or if it's a Jodo Kast situation that's cool but if they're shifting him from a New Zealander to a Black man that can open up a lot of worms. Not to mention, aren't the prequels still canon?
The Wrap is a pretty reliable news site, but staff writer Jeff Sneider's podcast is prone to making some pretty unsubstantiated claims. Some of them turn out to be legit, but many others don't; so yeah, I dunno about this. All of the dicier, less vetted rumors that never make it onto The Wrap proper wind up on the podcast. The prequels are definitely still canon, and I can't imagine they're gonna do a movie where you never see the main character's face. Perhaps if the movie was structured around a protagonist who isn't Boba Fett, but is like training under him or something? Or maybe as a big fuck you to the prequel's version of Boba (he's a sad little boy who saw his dad get his head chopped off!) they'll have the original trilogy's Fett turn out to have murdered the prequel's one, and stolen his name and armor? I dunno, it all seems pretty outlandish, I can't take a lot of stock in this story.
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Post by: Jango on October 11, 2015, 06:14:25 am
Maybe we'll find out that "Boba" isn't really a name but actually a "title," and ditto for "Jango." As a child training to be a specialist, you take on the title of "Boba," but once you become a master of your craft, your father or another authority figure confers the title of "Jango" to you. Thus, the "Boba" in our story never became a "Jango" because his father was killed while he was a kid, and perhaps capturing Han Solo is meant to be his trial to become "Jango," which he fails miserably when he gets killed by a giant sandy vagina after getting knocked in there by a blind dude by mistake.
I dunno, that's just me rambling tho
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on October 18, 2015, 06:28:24 pm
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Post by: Roman55 on October 20, 2015, 04:16:54 am
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 20, 2015, 08:39:37 am
holy crap
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Post by: Bea on October 20, 2015, 11:08:44 am
This is going to be good. This is going to be SO good.
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Post by: Gennos on October 20, 2015, 05:20:12 pm
nice! although im not digging how the new sith antagonist looks, he's too Darth Vader...ish. i would've liked an original design.
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2015, 05:22:21 am
I think that's mostly intentional; he's essentially a Darth Vader fanboy. John Boeyga, watching the trailer for the first time (https://instagram.com/p/9DN_LbsCtp/)
<3
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Post by: T. Vinceson on October 21, 2015, 05:29:55 am
Han Solo's no longer a skeptic about the Force. Guess ending up with a Force Sensitive girlfriend of a princess whose only family consists of a brother who was once a rowdy farmboy to a heroic magical space knight and a tall, dark and asthmatic father who later froze his ass in Carbonite certainly did a 180 on his belief about "hokey religion" three decades later.
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Post by: Roman55 on November 03, 2015, 09:34:34 pm
Stock up on all the Slave Leia shit you can so you can make tons of sweet, sweet nerd money.
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Post by: Jango on November 04, 2015, 12:39:50 am
Noooooooo! That iteration of Leia taught me the valuable lesson that girls don't have cooties and that they're fun to look at for some reason (I was five when I first saw Return of the Jedi)
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Post by: Bea on November 04, 2015, 01:15:51 am
Maybe they will rebrand it as Leia, the Hutt slayer.
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Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on November 04, 2015, 01:23:43 am
The SJW Strike Back :doom:
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Post by: Byakko on November 04, 2015, 01:27:46 am
Hah, last time they made a costume for Episode VII's Captain Phasma with the mention "for boys". I don't think there are many SJWs up at Disney and the Star Wars toys division.
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Post by: Jesuszilla on November 04, 2015, 01:52:54 am
Noooooooo! That iteration of Leia taught me the valuable lesson that girls don't have cooties and that they're fun to look at for some reason (I was five when I first saw Return of the Jedi)
Same.
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Post by: Jmorphman on November 09, 2015, 06:07:22 am
international trailer! new footage!
and also a TV spot!!! (https://twitter.com/twitter/status/663370431877918720)
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on November 09, 2015, 08:51:00 am
Super Star Wars got rated for the Playstation 4.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 09, 2015, 03:41:04 pm
And? What's the rating?
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Post by: Byakko on November 09, 2015, 04:19:31 pm
It's 6/10.
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on November 09, 2015, 04:43:20 pm
Thought its just interesting to see a snes game coming to the PS4, but there is more even
Stock up on all the Slave Leia shit you can so you can make tons of sweet, sweet nerd money.
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There’s been some debate recently about whether there should be no more merchandise with you in the “Return of the Jedi” bikini.
I think that’s stupid.
To stop making the merchandise?
The father who flipped out about it (http://www.fox29.com/news/2029186-story), “What am I going to tell my kid about why she’s in that outfit?” Tell them that a giant slug captured me and forced me to wear that stupid outfit, and then I killed him because I didn’t like it. And then I took it off. Backstage.
Was there ever a point when you thought, ‘I don’t want to do this new movie’?
Never. I’ve been this character for 40 years, why would I not? Because I’m going to be associated with Princess Leia more? There is no “more.” And I’m a female working in show business, where, if you’re famous, you have a career until you’re 45, maybe. Maybe. And that’s about 15 people.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 12, 2015, 05:19:58 am
The interviews Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford have been giving for this have them being so completely past giving a fuck that it's just incredible.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 18, 2015, 07:47:53 pm
yo Roman you should change the thread title :V
also anyone looking to post in this thread, since the movie is still brand new, and even though one shouldn't be surprised to see unmarked spoilers in a thread like this, please be courteous and use spoiler tags.
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so my biggest question coming from the movie was what exactly is the exact political relationship between the Republic and the Resistance? Like sure Rey's backstory sure is mysterious but what about the real questions, like the organizational structure of the political systems? I'm actually pretty curious about this!
The fact that they're called the Resistance sure makes it seem like they're still an under the radar insurgent group, but they're also linked heavily to the restored Republic? Or maybe the Resistance is in fact the official army of the Republic and they're called that because they're resisting the First Order? And speaking of the First Order are they just renegade Imperial remnants the Republic is trying to mop up or are they a full fledged empire, at war with the Republic, and with a functioning system of government spanning several planets? I dunno it was hard to understand the exact relationship between the factions; I'm sure it's explained somewhere in some tie-in novel or something, and having a long discussion about the political makeup of the galaxy is no one's idea of a good movie, but I think some clarification could've been helpful.
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Post by: Foobs on December 18, 2015, 08:41:41 pm
Plus, you'll be banned for a week if you're not courteous.
Spoiler: Space Diplomacy(click to see content)
I think The First Order's General mentions The Republic is 'secretly' helping The Resistance during his speech, meaning they're unofficially afiliated? The general public doesn't seem to be fully aware of the events of the original trilogy and how it affected their lives (Rey doesn't know Han Solo is a war hero but has heard of his shady businesses) so maybe it's not in The Republic's best interest to be associated with the rebels? Alternatively The Resistance might prefer to be independent to a degree, just in case the almighty universal government becomes evil again.
I imagine The Order is kinda like space ISIS and it has bits and chunks of entire solar systems under its control.
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- Rey felt mary sue-ish. - I wish the movie had more Poe Dameron. - Ren is fanfic-tier garbage. I hope he dies for real in the next movie. - the final scene with Mark Hamill was way too damn long and awkward.
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Post by: Roman55 on December 18, 2015, 11:18:14 pm
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- Rey felt mary sue-ish. - I wish the movie had more Poe Dameron. - Ren is fanfic-tier garbage. I hope he dies for real in the next movie. - the final scene with Mark Hamill was way too damn long and awkward.
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Glad I'm not the only one who thought that about Rey and Ren. Especially since Rey spends the entire movie crying about going back to a wasteland and dying of starvation there.
Also, thought Finn was wasted a bit with his character. It's clear they wanted him to have a tragic backstory but it doesn't work with him, if he was actually conditioned from childhood to be a killing machine then he wouldn't be a normal, funny, personable guy.
That said, movie got everything it was supposed to right. So I'm okay with it, but it irks me that it's clearly just expecting for you to wait for what's coming down the line in regards to stuff.
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Post by: Deadface on December 18, 2015, 11:41:21 pm
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- Rey felt mary sue-ish.
Spoiler: "ish"?(click to see content)
She was a total Mary Sue, though that's kinda par for the course for Star Wars in general, but something about it felt... really hammy. I didn't know what bugged me so much until I read this.
Random poor girl who gets fucked over in a trade village on a daily basis, led to safety despite her sheer naïveté (YEAH SURE LET'S TRUST THE DUDE WHO TOOK FOREVER TO SAY "yeah I'm with the resistance"), just HAPPENS to know the Millenium Falcon more than Han Solo does which would otherwise make half their adventure not happen, m-muh parents, jedi mind tricks out of fucking nowhere, suddenly knows how to fight before being cut up, etc.
In retrospect, while the movie was fun and a lot of aesthetic kept the Star Wars feel, and overall the whole thing is more than leagues better than all of I to III, I can't see it as anything more than a blockbuster thrill ride just because of Rey alone.
Spoiler: kylo ren tho(click to see content)
Easily my favorite parts of the movie are when Ben just loses his shit like some angry child. Like, at first it just seemed like he was easily irritable but then he goes straight ham on that detainment room with the troopers just going "Well I guess we should just leave him"
The whole theater was laughing their asses off when that one bit happened, it was great!
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Post by: Negi Springfield on December 18, 2015, 11:41:27 pm
I JUST got out of the theater and ran to this topic to post
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I agree Rey felt super OP I mean, I get it, there's implications that she's possibly Luke's daughter but the problem is this, Anakin rose to power through training at what many considered in-universe to be stupid-fast levels but that still took YEARS (I want to say at least 10) Then we jump to Luke in Empire and he's become a competent Jedi in his own right after what? a few months at best? and became a Master within a few years? And now all it takes for his -maybe- daughter to become a Jedi Master is to close her eyes and feel the force? Fuck that garbage.
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Post by: Foobs on December 19, 2015, 12:42:43 am
Spoiler: On Rey(click to see content)
I read a while ago the Sith were just master and apprentice instead of a full order because that way the whole dark side of the Force was only split in two instead of being divided into multiple warriors. Dunno if that's actually canon (now), but if it is, the only known people harvesting the light side of the force in the universe are Rey and Luke. That would explain why she's so OP. Also, back in the Phantom Menace it was explained that being one with the force instantly makes you a fucking amazing pilot.
Personally, I think the movie is deliberately misleading us into believing Rey is Luke's daughter. The next movie will probably reveal that either or both of her parents were among the padawan Ren killed.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 19, 2015, 04:44:35 am
Spoiler: Rey stuff(click to see content)
I personally didn't have any problem with anything Rey did, it all seemed very fair. She's spent her entire life picking apart various gadgets and ships, so she has a natural affinity towards them, very useful skills to have when dealing with the Falcon.
As for the force stuff, A New Hope and Phantom Menace made it pretty clear that having a natural affinity for the force lets you do pretty insane stuff, even without training. The only thing that could've been a stretch was Rey's fight with Kylo Ren, but the latter was not only pretty seriously wounded by that shot Chewbacca hit him with, Finn also inflicted a fair amount of damage on him (I don't think Finn would've survived very long had Kylo been uninjured). They'll definitely have a rematch on more even terms.
Personally, I think the movie is deliberately misleading us into believing Rey is Luke's daughter. The next movie will probably reveal that either or both of her parents were among the padawan Ren killed.
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this is a totally baseless rumor based on a very dumb principle (Rey has a British accent!) but maybe she's the granddaughter of Obi Wan? Just totally a giant leap in logic here, but it would also make the Rey/Kylo Ren conflict a conflict of the grandchildren of Anakin and Obi Wan, which seems pretty cool thematically I guess.
Her being Luke's daughter just felt too obvious to me. And also it'd be super dickish of Luke to abandon his child on a horrible desert planet to hang out by himself in the middle of nowhere!
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Post by: LarsAlexandersson on December 19, 2015, 07:52:49 am
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Solo
Damn
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Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 19, 2015, 05:49:01 pm
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When ren had his mask on he was a total badass When he took it off he turned into a bratty kid wtf
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 19, 2015, 10:41:33 pm
When ren had his mask on he was a total badass When he took it off he turned into a bratty kid wtf
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They said he had too much Vader in him, why are you surprised?
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Post by: Person Man on December 20, 2015, 07:24:22 am
I also just got back from watching it, and I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised. I've been keeping my expectations for this pretty low because it has been a long time since there's been any actually really good Star Wars stuff, so I didn't want to go into this one and walk out disappointed. But I actually really liked it. It felt way more "Star Wars" than any of the prequels ever did, if that makes any sense.
Spoiler: Spoilers and such(click to see content)
As far as Rey goes, I'm with Morph-Man in thinking that it made sense that she could do all the stuff she did. When you get right down to it, the force is just a fancy way of not calling it magic, and it's a pretty old fantasy trope that people who are naturally gifted in magic can learn to use it really fast, even if they're not aware of it. If anything the complaint I'd have about her character was that backstory of hers was way too blatant about how much of a sequel bait it was.
Kylo Ren was way less of a badass than I was hoping he'd be. He acted more like a teenager going through his rebellious phase than a Sith lord. I know they tried to say it's because he had "too much Vader in him" but I'm kind of worried he got all the Hayden Christensen parts.
Poe Dameron is awesome. I hope he gets a bigger part in the next one.
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Post by: S.D. on December 20, 2015, 07:50:03 am
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I don't want to sound like a pretentious movie connoisseur but the whole deal about Kylo is petty obvious, and if people are getting that impression from him then the film succeeded. He was intentionally made to look like an immature teenager. All of the younger cast members had every imperfection cleaned up on their face. Kylo? We can see every mole, pimple, and blemish he has, something more commonly seen on a teenager or young adult than an older person. Was this intentional? I feel like it was, because the other cast had theirs cleaned up but Adam Driver's was left untouched. It helped add on the feeling of how young and immature he actually is. And then we have his fits of anger through the whole film, also how he's not that skilled with the force, he can barely read minds and force freeze, force pull but he can't force choke, no lighting... also he's not really that skilled with the lightsaber.
Also, Phasma was an utter disappointment and so inconsequential to everything.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 20, 2015, 09:05:47 am
Also, Phasma was an utter disappointment and so inconsequential to everything.
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Yeah that was really lame and disappointing. She could've been completely excised from the movie and it'd barely change! Hopefully she'll actually shoot her rifle in the next movie, assuming she was able to escape that trash compactor before the planet exploded.
Spoiler: SPACE DIPLOMACY PART 2(click to see content)
OK so I did some cursory research and apparently the exact relationship between the First Order, the Resistance, and the New Republic was spelled out in other materials (still think they could've made it a lot more clear in the movie itself!). The First Order has some sort of armistice with the New Republic, with the Republic occupying most of what was once the Empire, and the First Order scurrying around on the edges and the Outer Rim. The Resistance is an independent band of freedom fighters that exists solely to combat the First Order, and they're officially not affiliated with the Republic, although they do get a support from them in secret. That's not public knowledge, and many of those inside the Republic's government consider the Resistance to be deluded trouble makers trying to set off another intergalactic war, needlessly; and specifically they view General Leia as a stuck in the past, never having gotten over the end of the war against the Empire. Of course, Leia was absolutely right, and the First Order had been planning on breaking the armistice all along.
So I mean, that's all pretty interesting! I'm sure there are dozens of people who agree with me!
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Post by: Thedge on December 20, 2015, 04:06:34 pm
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The more i think about this movie the better I feel it is. - Han Solo's dead was remarkably well made. - When Kylo gets introduced he stops a fucking laser coming at him, that's why people may had the idea he was as skilled as Vader in the original trilogy, but the things you learn from him makes sense that he is this little angry kid. - Finn's awesome. - The scenes are really well shot, I was enjoying myself just watching at the backgrounds, the photography is gorgeous. - BB8 is awesome.
Reading what JMan posted makes this even better, I think I'll rewatch it once the theaters became emptier.
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Post by: Person Man on December 20, 2015, 07:05:01 pm
Also, Phasma was an utter disappointment and so inconsequential to everything.
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Agreed. I feel like Phasma's going to be the new Boba Fett: A character who's hyped up as being this ultra-cool badass villain, but never actually did anything noteworthy in the movie.
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Post by: Jango on December 20, 2015, 11:53:38 pm
I'll post a full-on review in the movie review thread when I get a chance, but I'll just post my initial reactions here
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- Rey still feels a little too underdeveloped but I could say the same about Luke Skywalker in Episode IV. - Kylo Ren, despite killing off my childhood, just doesn't grasp me as a convincing villain. It's pretty new admittedly, but I never felt like he could potentially become a threat. - Finn was pretty good, but I felt his personality clashed with what we're supposed to know about his background. He's trained to be a warrior from a young age, but somehow he's the compassionate sidekick we got in this movie? - Han's death was a stroke of genius to me. When I heard they brought back the old actors I was like "Oh it's going to be so corny like when they made the 4th Indiana Jones movie. But Han and the other old-timers added a lot of weight to the movie.
Overall, I dunno if I'd say it feels like a Star Wars movie. It's definitely better than the prequels, don't get me wrong, but it does feel like the storytelling style is really different. Having said that, I am looking forward to #8.
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Post by: kakkoii superhero on December 21, 2015, 06:08:35 pm
JJ abrams, really is not the most creative man... copy paste, rescale, and polish that's what he did..
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a mega deathstar the 3rd, destroyed AGAIN by a single X-wing, this time the pilot is not even a Jedi.
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Post by: Thedge on December 21, 2015, 07:20:18 pm
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Han Solo was't a Jedi in ep. 6 too, the empire just happens to like to build gigantic space stations with dumb weak points
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Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 21, 2015, 07:39:05 pm
Saw the movie today, liked it.
But like the previous Star Wars movies I rather avoid to think about logic in those movies and see them just as pure science fiction entertainment.
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Post by: Person Man on December 22, 2015, 01:07:14 am
JJ abrams, really is not the most creative man... copy paste, rescale, and polish that's what he did..
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a mega deathstar the 3rd, destroyed AGAIN by a single X-wing, this time the pilot is not even a Jedi.
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To be perfectly honest there were a LOT of story beats cribbed directly from A New Hope. Bright-eyed young nobody living in a junk town on a desert planet accidentally stumbles across a cute, quirky little robot who just so happens to be carrying information that's vital to an ongoing rebellion against an evil empire. Along the way said nobody learns that they're naturally gifted with the force and goes to learn the ways of the Jedi from a bearded old hermit.
But I don't even really care about that because it was all packaged in a really fun and enjoyable way that still felt fresh.
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Post by: kakkoii superhero on December 22, 2015, 01:14:56 am
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-deathstar bigger -vader's imperial transport -tie fighters -x wings -millennium falcon -storm troopers -dessert -a bar full with weird alliens -a cloaked guy + helmeted with breather 2in1 combo -that helmeted guy looks disappointing once the helmet off -the music -the old cast, and familiar bots -father and son thing -severed hand by the light saber duel
I'm sure I've seen these somewhere before, I thought it would make more sense if The First Order is much less funded, probably using a crashed star destroyer as a base or something, so it would make sense of a new order rose from the remnants of The Imperial, if later they would get stronger and richer, then do it on the 8 and 9, just my 2c
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Post by: Byakko on December 23, 2015, 12:16:37 am
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I wasn't too bothered by Ben turning out to be kind of a sissy. You could see it coming when he was throwing a tantrum slashing at the console room, with the other general just calling him "Ren" and clearly not respecting him at all, stuff like that. Then when Rey has escaped and Ben is trashing the room, the two stormtroopers that walk in, look at each other, then turn around like "nope, nothing to see here", that finished it. Everyone sees him like that. I did like the relationship between Han and Ben, their one discussion, that completely wraps up Ben's character properly IMO : he's someone's son, and he's rebelling against his daddy. And Han's part in that scene was just fine, after Leia asked him to bring Ben home. It was only missing a last gasp from Han after being stabbed, hugging Ben anyway and telling him his mother misses him, it would have been perfect in putting in perspective the scale of this fight : a family issue with the parents who just really want their kid to come home.
Rey didn't feel that much of a Mary Sue to me. She didn't "strangely know the Falcon better that Han did" - she knew something that was installed after the Falcon had been stolen from Han, so of course Han didn't know about it. She's been living her life as a scavenger, so of course she knows her way around mechanics, prety much like Anakin on Tatooine. She beats up the people who are after her, but those scenes come about quite normally. The fact that evrything is shouting at us that she's not a damsel in distress needing to be rescued is more about Finn IMO : he very clearly gets a massive rush of hero complex after escaping with Poe, "the resis- what ? Resistance ? Uh yeah... Yeah, I'm with the resistance ! You better believe me, I can get you safe !" and then a bit later "hey Solo, look, I'm kind of a big deal with the resistance" here again, Han sees right through him, everyone's just chuckling, everyone knows he's just puffing himself up because he's massively insecure -- and he should be. Back on the Rey Mary Sue bit, it's only at the very end, when she just takes the Falcon after Han has died, that feels just a little rushed and that's the one point that looks Mary Sue-ish, but then again, it could have ben averted with just having it brought up verbally a minute before (after all, it's a junk that no one wants, and Chewie's there), and even then, having that explanation cut short doesn't really feel weird for a big movie.
The one thing I'm a bit bothered with is that everybody's just super young. Finn and Rey look okay, but the generals on the Starkiller base don't even look past 40, and with Kylo Ren in the middle, they all just look like a bunch of angry kids. Especially that speech on the Starkiller base, the guy talking doesn't inspire an ounce of respect or fear. Oh, as for Phasma, it feels to me like they were just setting her up to be relevant in the next movies, even if she doesn't actually do anything here.
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Post by: Person Man on December 23, 2015, 02:33:31 am
Also, thought Finn was wasted a bit with his character. It's clear they wanted him to have a tragic backstory but it doesn't work with him, if he was actually conditioned from childhood to be a killing machine then he wouldn't be a normal, funny, personable guy.
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I was actually thinking about this and something dawned on me that actually makes this make a lot of sense. That battle on Jakku was what broke Finn's conditioning and made him want to rebel right? So that's the first time in his life that he's had to try to be something other than a mindless stormtrooper. So you're right, he wouldn't automatically be all funny and cool and personable.
But you know who is funny and cool and personable? Poe Dameron.
And who is the only non-Imperial soldier Finn had ever spoken to in his entire life at that point? Poe Dameron.
Finn came across like that because he was trying to act like Poe, the only normal person he'd ever met and the only example of "normal person" behavior he'd ever seen.
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Post by: Foobs on December 23, 2015, 04:18:13 am
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I don't think Finn was a mindless killing machine at any point. Jakku might have been his first mission.
I mean, the only thing we know about the guy is that he used to clean toilets in the Starkiller base and that he never flied a ship nor fired any gun but the basic stormtrooper laser rifle. Sounds like a complete rookie to me.
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Post by: Byakko on December 23, 2015, 11:53:11 am
I don't think Finn was a mindless killing machine at any point. Jakku might have been his first mission.
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Yeah, it was, he said so. He did also say he was conditioned at birth, but right in his first mission, he decided to run away.
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Post by: Mechy on December 23, 2015, 11:17:45 pm
My thoughts, which I already posted in the movie review thread.
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-A big comeback of an old series has to fall back on the old characters so much. The new heroes were what interested me the most, but they ended up having to spare too much screentime to the old coots, just so they can milk those good fan memories. Like I feel a new trilogy like this should use the setting and the themes and such of the old series, but try to do it's own thing with the finer detail. But alas, money talks I suppose. -Giving the villains the same big gun as in the original series, expect even bigger is a really lazy way of making us give a shit about them. -Also, the scale of these movies is already pretty crazy, but they really went overboard with the bigger gun here. A fucking gun planet that uses up suns as ammo? It's just a bit much. -The villain started out promising, but got fell flat pretty quickly. The final nail on the coffin was when he took the mask off since the dude is just fucking goofy looking. I did kinda liek that he came off as a shitty Darth Vader fanboy, because that's literally what he was. -So is Rey just Jedi Jesus? Luke Skywalker had to go though a lot of shit and especially training to get a hang of the force, but Rey just kinda learns it on the fly. Not quiet a mary sue, but skirting it. -I liked a lot of the action, particularly the Finn vs Taser Trooper fight, brief as it was. Im glad the lightsaber fighting was not as overly dumb acrobatics like the prequels. -My favorite thing was Storm Troopers of all things. They had some good lines, goofy moments and they actually managed to come off as somewhat more threatning then in the original movies. And they still waddle. -Harrison Ford was good in it. Thank god he died.
So overall ok fun, but sadly just that. Especially since Guardians Of The Galaxy came out not too long ago and it was just kinda better in every way imo. Not terribly interested in the rest of the trilogy, just based off of this movie.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 24, 2015, 05:17:24 am
I'm sure I've seen these somewhere before, I thought it would make more sense if The First Order is much less funded, probably using a crashed star destroyer as a base or something, so it would make sense of a new order rose from the remnants of The Imperial, if later they would get stronger and richer, then do it on the 8 and 9, just my 2c
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The First Order isn't some fly by night organization, it's the remnants of the Imperial Fleet. The Rebels victory in Return of the Jedi didn't cause the instant collapse of the Empire, it was a struggle to wipe out the rest of the Empire and restore the Republic, and they were mostly successful. But not completely: the First Order, which rose out from the remainder of the Empire's military, controls a good amount of territory and resources. They've spent almost 30 years building themselves back up using those things.
My thoughts, which I already posted in the movie review thread.
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-So is Rey just Jedi Jesus? Luke Skywalker had to go though a lot of shit and especially training to get a hang of the force, but Rey just kinda learns it on the fly. Not quiet a mary sue, but skirting it.
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Luke only had a 5 minute training session with Obi-Wan in his first movie; and that awakened enough of a connection in him to the Force to give hhim not enough skills to only survive the battle at the Death Star, but do the full trench run and make an impossible shot. Rey's encounter with Kylo Ren seems to have had a similar effect.
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Post by: Byakko on December 24, 2015, 11:46:55 am
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Regarding Rey and the Force, it felt to me like she's always been kind of using it (there are hints every now and then that make it look like she's about to use something but then not), but dismissing it as crazy luck and instinct, that's why she doesn't believe in it, she just thinks she's that good herself. As for her "instant" talent, it's really no different from Anakin winning the pod race when he definitely never had any training.
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Post by: Bea on December 31, 2015, 08:43:53 pm
Just watched it. Loved every bit of it.
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They got pretty much everything right on this one. The mood and the tone were there, there were tons of action, lots of humour, bad lines here and there. After watching, I am pretty sure Rey is definitely from the Skywalker bloodline. She was pretty much what Luke was in A New Hope. I didn't expect Han Solo to be the Obi-Wan Kenobi of this film, though. Really didn't expected that. His demise, on the other hand, was expected. Ford is old and he always wished Solo would die an spectacular death in Star Wars. He got what he wanted. See Solo, that is what happens when you don't just shot and let the other guy take action.
And he was wrong about the whiny brat kid of his. There wasn't too much Darth Vader on him. He has way too much whiny Anakin Skywalker in him instead. :P
Loved it. Can't wait to see it again.
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Post by: lui on January 16, 2016, 03:25:43 pm
Darth Fucking Maul. Revan Era ships. Princess Leia Yoda. Anakin Skywalker. Ahsoka vs Vader. Kylo Ren connections. Yoda. A darker storyline.
FUCK YES REBELS IS FINALLY GETTING GOOOOOD
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Post by: Byakko on January 16, 2016, 03:45:22 pm
Where do you see Darth Maul or Kylo Ren connections ?
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Post by: -Whiplash- on January 16, 2016, 04:03:56 pm
Ezra has a tri-saber for like 1 second?
also don't get my hopes up that they would ever tie KOTOR back into canon again...
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Post by: lui on January 16, 2016, 04:05:37 pm
Crossguard saber that Ezra holds in the trailer, in TFA its said that Kylo Rens crossguard saber design is based on an ancient design, maybe Ezra is the first Knight of the Ren? IDK its still pretty cool.
The guy who says hes the "old master" is obviously maul, same eyes, same markings on his face, same voice. I mean it has to be right?
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Post by: Byakko on January 16, 2016, 05:24:31 pm
Why on Earth would the design of a lightsaber be related to a specific order Just because there's a crossguard lightsaber doesn't mean it's connected to Kylo Ren. Remember how the games and novels suddenly had lots of double-sided lightsabers after Darth Maul showed his ? People are just latching on a new idea that seems cool. (hell, the Inquisitors in Rebels have those double-sided lightsabers too, except theirs can spin on top of that) As for the "old master", I didn't watch Clone Wars so I never heard Maul speak. I'm not convinced that the face is Maul's markings, but if it's the same voice actor, then maybe. It sounds really weird, though. Did Maul do anything in Clone Wars that could connect to this ?
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Post by: lui on January 16, 2016, 05:26:52 pm
He did SPOILERS
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survive after the events in the Clone Wars in the comics after he was defeated (again) by Sidious, so anything is fair game
the only thing that bothers me is that they made Anakin and Yoda look weird as fuck, if only they re-used the models for them from the clone wars, those models were pretty good.
Im glad they got Matt Lanter to voice Anakin for a little bit, he perfectly captures the Cocky-But-Disturbed voice of Anakin in the Clone Wars way better than Hayden did in the films
plus they have the old jedi temple guards surviving ordah 66? cool, would love to see their story
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Post by: LarsAlexandersson on January 18, 2016, 04:22:49 am
1 question: Which where are Darth Maul & Kylo Ren's scene on SWR mid-season trailer?
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Post by: -Whiplash- on January 18, 2016, 04:30:42 am
the last 5 post above you were literally just discussing that.
What did you see the trailer post and just skip those?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 18, 2016, 04:38:14 am
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Post by: Gennos on January 18, 2016, 05:05:19 am
im not gonna put a spoiler, we already have a warning in the title. i watched the movie. very damn good i say. i, like the majority here, disliked kylo ren too, he's way too emo-ish and the only reason he is a sith is just because he wants to imitate his grandfather, he literally has no individuality or goals of his own. very weak imo, i actually though that general hux (as little screen time he got) was a much better villain and would've been amazing if he was the primary villain of the movie. snoke is the sith that im far more interested in, where did he come from? how did he survive the eradication of the sith and could he be emperor palpatine? questions that i eagerly wait to be answered. captain phasma was so underwhelming, the only thing intersting she did in the movie was getting thrown in a garbage chute lol. hope they make her badass in the next movies and if they're really want her to be like boba fitt they should make her a silent character.
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 18, 2016, 05:17:35 am
i was never interested in the CGI clone wars series but after reading somethings i'm now interested into it (just gotta catch up with 6 freaking seasons)
i was neither interested in rebels but again read some things (plus the trailer above) and now i wanna check it out. i was particularly hooked on the fact that they actually got james earl jones to voice dath vader!
Im glad they got Matt Lanter to voice Anakin for a little bit, he perfectly captures the Cocky-But-Disturbed voice of Anakin in the Clone Wars way better than Hayden did in the films
this applies to pretty much every non-prequel-movie incarnation of anakin (well, any anakin that doesn't star talking about sand is ok in my book). kylo ren was a much better angsty young sith or whatever this kids call it these days.
... and speaking of kylo ren:
//edit: i didn't disliked kylo ren and want to see more of him (i understand why peole were dissapointed since they were expecting dath vader 2.0). also, anyone saying kylo ren was weak was clearly not paying attention
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Post by: Negi Springfield on January 18, 2016, 03:18:06 pm
Dude took a plasma bolt to the chest and continued fighting while bleeding out in Arctic-ish temperatures.
If that's not a badass then frankly I don't know what is.
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Post by: LarsAlexandersson on January 18, 2016, 03:23:46 pm
Speaking of Ren's undercover, i was stumbling into this https://youtu.be/v7BwIyNN9rs
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Post by: Gennos on January 18, 2016, 09:00:24 pm
i meant mentally weak, he couldn't even kill his father without vaguely asking for his permission. he certainly looks like a capable fighter, which is why i think he was handicapped when he fought rey and finn. btw i really liked all the lightsaber duels they're really good, fast and realistic, not heavily choreographed.
also, did you guys notice the indonesian actors from the raid movies? the ones han solo ripped off. i was actually expecting them to fight or do some stunts or something, but nope, they're just alien octopus snacks.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2016, 05:07:32 am
Episode VIII has been delayed until Christmas 2017. (http://www.etonline.com/news/180477_star_wars_episode_viii_delayed/)
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Post by: lui on January 21, 2016, 07:33:25 am
you can bet your ass thats gonna make em alot more money if its near christmas
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2016, 09:36:34 am
The official reason is supposed to be that they're adjusting the script based on audience reaction to The Force Awakens, but it's hard to imagine the Christmas-adjacent release date was a major factor in the decision. Much bigger box office potential!
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Post by: Gennos on January 21, 2016, 09:48:43 am
hope they find a way to resurrect TR-8R too, dude was a badass. (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fudp-KS40Ns/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 21, 2016, 09:51:20 am
He got blasted by Chewie's bowcaster! He's totally dead!
But yeah I dunno, I've enjoyed the TR8-8R meme a whole bunch but I don't think the character really needs a miraculous resurrection. He may have only lasted briefly, but he made a big impact. Let's let him rest in peace.
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Post by: Bea on January 21, 2016, 11:18:53 am
From what I recall, poor thing died because he forgot Solo's tendency to shoot first. This time with a bowcaster. Poor TR-8R is as dead as Greedo. :( Now, if only Han had shot first at a later scene of the film...
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Post by: Zemilia on January 21, 2016, 11:20:50 am
TR-8R doesn't even need a miraculous resurrection, he's just one guy. For all we know, there could be other stormtroopers with the same training (and same weapons) as him.
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Post by: lui on January 21, 2016, 11:56:55 am
He's probably the first StormTrooper in the movies that's confident in his fighting skills too! I mean, look at the way he just stands up and drops his blasters as soon as he finds Finn, that's just badass.
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Post by: Gennos on January 21, 2016, 12:08:20 pm
From what I recall, poor thing died because he forgot Solo's tendency to shoot first.
said tendency is shared by another harrison ford character (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-16-2014/ReFspj.gif) damn you harrison ford, taking away honorable combatants one movie at a time.
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Post by: Bea on January 21, 2016, 12:33:10 pm
What do you mean another Harrison Ford character? That is Han Solo before he found the Starship of Destiny in one of his archaeological adventures! :P
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 06, 2016, 03:27:44 am
AT LAST THE STORY CAN BE TOLD (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/05/marvel-teases-the-story-behind-c-3pos-red-arm-in-star-wars-the-f/) (http://i.imgur.com/HYZr0Y9.jpg) but seriously c'mon this looks so silly
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Post by: Speedpreacher on February 06, 2016, 03:48:33 am
They're wasting a Starman reunion on this. A C-3PO book. Not an issue of Scarlet Witch or Squadron Supreme.
A C-3PO book.
This better be the most blatant parody book ever written.
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Post by: Bea on February 06, 2016, 11:00:06 am
Oh hell yes! Give it to me! :D
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Post by: Jmorphman on February 17, 2016, 04:07:45 am
Benecio del Toro and Laura Dern have joined the cast, as well as relative unknown Kelly Marie Tran, an improv comedian who has had only a few bit parts until now. (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/15/star-wars-episode-viii)
Those are some pretty fucking stellar additions! :D
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 17, 2016, 06:20:10 am
AT LAST THE STORY CAN BE TOLD (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/05/marvel-teases-the-story-behind-c-3pos-red-arm-in-star-wars-the-f/) http://i.imgur.com/HYZr0Y9.jpg but seriously c'mon this looks so silly
this will serve as the prequel to droids 2.0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XCe2XorcY)
Title: Star Wars Rogue One trailer is out
Post by: DatKofGuy on April 07, 2016, 03:04:19 pm
Woop woop
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 07, 2016, 10:29:55 pm
omg yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Post by: SlySuavity on April 07, 2016, 10:35:18 pm
Well, I can forgive the lack of Kyle Katarn.
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Post by: Bea on April 07, 2016, 11:25:26 pm
That is looking darker and mighty fine. Perfect to contrast the mood of the films in the main line. I like it!
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 08, 2016, 01:03:17 am
Oh look, another head-strong female main character with attitude.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 08, 2016, 01:33:11 am
Yeah no, it doesn't really make any amount of sense to describe Rey's character like that.
Felicity Jone's character in this movie sure does fit in the "snarky hotshot with attitude" archetype Star Wars loves so much, though.
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Post by: -Whiplash- on April 08, 2016, 01:55:09 am
Where are the Bothans >:(
Looks good though.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 08, 2016, 02:04:28 am
The Bothans stole the plans to the second Death Star!!! >:[
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Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2016, 02:13:51 am
am i supposed to believe the empire are so fuckin stupid they didnt make a backup of their plan
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Post by: Gennos on April 08, 2016, 02:15:23 am
i hate how much they keep bringing back death stars in these new movies. the star killer destroyed an entire galaxy, and characters acted like nothing bad happened. no one really cared about those millions of people who were eradicated. it's a very shitty way to demonstrate how strong the weapon is. they should be more creative imo.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 08, 2016, 02:19:29 am
??? This is a prequel to A New Hope. It shows how the plans to the first Death Star were stolen. :P
am i supposed to believe the empire are so fuckin stupid they didnt make a backup of their plan
They don't want the plans back because they need them to make more Death Stars, they want the plans because they don't want the Rebellion figuring out a weakness to their new super-weapon.
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Post by: Bea on April 08, 2016, 02:25:21 am
Sorta related.
That would have solved a lot of problems.
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Post by: Gennos on April 08, 2016, 02:32:40 am
??? This is a prequel to A New Hope. It shows how the plans to the first Death Star were stolen. :P
i know. i just don't like how they keep playing it "safe" by relying on nostalgia so much. they could've for example made a prequel story about any of the battles between the jedi and sith. the sith had very little screen time and were never really shown.
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Post by: Bea on April 08, 2016, 02:34:28 am
i know. i just don't like how they keep playing it "safe" by relying on nostalgia so much. they could've for example made a prequel story about any of the battles between the jedi and sith. the sith had very little screen time and were never really shown.
Considering the Sith always only operate in two, a master and an apprentice, that wouldn't make for a very interesting battle, since they were outrageously outnumbered back then.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 08, 2016, 02:38:50 am
i know. i just don't like how they keep playing it "safe" by relying on nostalgia so much. they could've for example made a prequel story about any of the battles between the jedi and sith. the sith had very little screen time and were never really shown.
Ah. Well, I dunno, the stealing of the Death Star plans is such a fun, interesting premise that makes for a great story, (which is why the EU kept telling different versions of it, of course) and this movie in particular looks like it's putting a very unique spin on the franchise (gritty war movie + heist movie) while still recognizably being Star Wars.
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 08, 2016, 02:53:13 am
Where's Kyle Katarn?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: Rogue One teaser out
Post by: Roman55 on April 08, 2016, 02:58:50 am
Banished from canon :-\
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Post by: Speedpreacher on April 08, 2016, 03:02:15 am
Oh wow, really? I would've thought Space Chuck Norris would've been the one thing that would've been kept from the EU considering his popularity.
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Post by: lui on April 08, 2016, 03:29:31 am
RIP Jade Mara, RIP Idmiral Thrwan, RIP REVAN
may non-canon stories rest with you all
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 08, 2016, 02:30:10 pm
i know. i just don't like how they keep playing it "safe" by relying on nostalgia so much. they could've for example made a prequel story about any of the battles between the jedi and sith. the sith had very little screen time and were never really shown.
Considering the Sith always only operate in two, a master and an apprentice, that wouldn't make for a very interesting battle, since they were outrageously outnumbered back then.
There's a reason why there are only two Sith at a time. They could have made a whole movie based around that but lolnope extended canon isn't important anymore.
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Post by: Bea on April 08, 2016, 02:39:26 pm
Considering the Sith always only operate in two, a master and an apprentice, that wouldn't make for a very interesting battle, since they were outrageously outnumbered back then.
There's a reason why there are only two Sith at a time. They could have made a whole movie based around that but lolnope extended canon isn't important anymore.
While it would make for a very interesting film, they first need to recoup the 4 billion investment they've done by buying Lucas Film, so they won't be taking too high of risks at this point. Which is why Episode VII was an almost rereading of Episode IV, and why they are trying his heist film set as a spin-off of the original trilogy. It is a cash grab film that will turn fun and interesting, at least.
I too hope that once they recoup their investment, they try to get a bit riskier and bring in more innovative films.
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Post by: Negi Springfield on April 08, 2016, 02:58:30 pm
Oh I understand that perfectly and i'm not against the film at all. I just hope this new character isn't another Rey is all.
And the reason why there are only two Sith without going into the long and sordid history of the extended Universe... let's just say that there is a lot of backstabbing, on a cosmic scale.
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Post by: lui on April 09, 2016, 08:33:50 am
hopefully darth vader is like this in the movie :P (fun fact: matt sloan, the guy who voiced Darth Vader in a bunch of videogames like this one is the guy giving the hilarious commentary in-character, he's awesome)
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 15, 2016, 02:43:28 am
Alden Enrenreich is the frontrunner to play young Han Solo in the young Han Solo spinoff movie. (http://deadline.com/2016/04/star-wars-han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-frontrunner-cast-1201737425/)
Enrenreich was really great in Hail, Caesar!, so this is a pretty cool pick!
also that comic about how C-3PO got a red arm came out and it turns out that it was a really compelling story! Of course, that's to be expected when you put the same team that did Starman on it! But yeah, it was a totally unnecessary story to tell, but Robinson and Harris made it worth it, exploring very interesting topics about droids in the Star Wars universe.
I gotta get on reading the rest of the new comics cuz every page and panel I've seen of them have looked pretty great/fucking incredible (http://imgur.com/gallery/9sIJ6).
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Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2016, 05:34:19 am
Welp, it's official. Alden Enrenreich (https://deadline.com/2016/05/star-wars-han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-frontrunner-cast-1201737425/) is the new (young) Han Solo.
Of all the various people rumored for this role, he's by far the best choice!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: Rogue One teaser out, sadly 100% Kyle Katarn free
Post by: GTOAkira on May 31, 2016, 05:15:18 pm
Well bad news for the new Star wars http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3617215/Star-Wars-spin-Rogue-One-bad-Disney-chiefs-ordered-FOUR-WEEKS-reshoots.html
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The execs at Disney are not happy with the movie, and Rogue One will have to go back into four weeks of expensive reshoots in July.
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Post by: Thedge on May 31, 2016, 05:32:25 pm
Reshots are not bad per se, but seems to be the case. Hope that whatever is wrong is fixable and we don't get another fantastic 4 level trainwreck that will compromise these spin offs.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 01, 2016, 12:29:03 am
Reshoots happen with pretty much every blockbuster movie these days; 4 weeks of reshoots, though, is not. So that's somewhat worrying.
But the Daily Mail isn't exactly a super trustworthy source, so maybe it's all fine? I dunno, I wanna be optimistic!
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Post by: Byakko on June 04, 2016, 01:16:46 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/03/rogue-one-reshoots-to-address-characters-not-tone/ Says the reshoots were already planned and only about fleshing out the characters, not changing stuff like how it went with Fantastic Four ; it's only coming late so they could figure out how to work it in. The "undue concerns" were probably because we're starting to get wary of this kind of fiasco. But this is Disney with Star Wars, not Fox or Sony with Marvel stuff.
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Post by: Jmorphman on June 26, 2016, 06:11:15 am
Here's some more info on the reshoots, and it's all pretty well substantiated. (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/23/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoot-concerns) None of it sounds all that concerning, to be honest; expectations after The Force Awakens are just so absurdly high that Rogue One's reshoots got built up into some grand crisis where none actually existed.
also, this is interesting: Forest Whitaker is playing Saw Gerrera, from the Clone Wars TV show?!?! (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/22/star-wars-rogue-one-forest-whitaker-character) That's pretty unprecedented, to carry over a TV character to the movies, right? I never saw Clone Wars but this is still pretty cool!
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Post by: lui on June 26, 2016, 06:22:56 am
his character is pretty interesting too so to see him tied from clone wars just warms my heart <3
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Post by: lui on July 17, 2016, 04:52:25 am
HOLY SHIT!!!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN! HES CANON!
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Post by: LarsAlexandersson on July 17, 2016, 09:47:03 am
I think i found some of The Force Unleashed vibes there. Only known are:
* Ezra's new appearance (mostly his hairstyle) looks like Starkillers
* Ever since Maul blinded Kanan back in some last episodes of Season 2, he is now a canon counterpart of Rahm Kota, making Ezra a counterpart to Starkiller. TFU was part of the AU Legends, yes?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: Rogue One New trailer!!!
Post by: GTOAkira on August 12, 2016, 04:42:00 am
New trailer https://twitter.com/starwars/status/763927709521018880 Donnie Yen!!!
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Post by: Jmorphman on August 12, 2016, 04:53:54 am
oooooooooooooh shit yes
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Post by: Bea on August 12, 2016, 12:12:08 pm
That does look damn good.
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Post by: SlySuavity on August 12, 2016, 12:33:06 pm
You'd think the Rebels would pack those anti-armor missiles on Hoth -- damn do they hit Imperial walkers hard.
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Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on August 13, 2016, 12:15:48 am
From Youtube.
I NEED TO WATCH THIS!!! :D :D
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Post by: Thedge on August 13, 2016, 01:31:04 pm
Wow, hype!
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Post by: GTOAkira on October 13, 2016, 12:50:45 am
New trailer coming tomorrow https://twitter.com/starwars/status/786312744547061761 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumLRfqW8AABApx.jpg)
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Post by: Jmorphman on October 14, 2016, 12:33:10 am
:o
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Post by: Bea on October 14, 2016, 12:47:22 am
:O
This looks really impressive, and most important, way more daring than The Force Awakens. TFA was pretty good, but from what we saw so far, Rogue One has the potential to be much, much better.
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Post by: Thedge on October 14, 2016, 02:20:58 am
Man, this does looks good. One dumb question, have they officially announced if the kenobi film will be the next stand alone?
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Post by: Speedpreacher on October 14, 2016, 03:54:36 am
Pretty sure it's going to be the Han Solo prequel.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: Rogue One teaser out, sadly 100% Kyle Katarn free
Post by: lui on October 22, 2016, 03:16:21 am
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 24, 2016, 12:48:03 am
Carrie Figher suffers massive heart attack:
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Star Wars icon and writer Carrie Fisher suffered a massive heart attack on Friday, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
Fisher went into cardiac arrest on an airplane during a United Airlines flight from London to LAX. The attack occurred approximately 15 minutes before the plane was scheduled to land.
Other passengers, including and EMT who was also on board, administered CPR in the first-class cabin where Fisher collapsed.
The plane landed shortly after noon in Los Angeles where paramedics rushed Fisher to a nearby hospital.
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Post by: Titiln on December 27, 2016, 07:05:33 pm
she died https://twitter.com/people/status/813803388760715265
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Post by: GTOAkira on December 27, 2016, 07:17:22 pm
Damn...
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Post by: Thedge on December 27, 2016, 07:46:04 pm
My admiration for that woman grew exponentially when I watched her stage performace "Wishfull Drinking", you can not love someone as talented as her that can laugh of her own problems in such a delightful way. Rest in peace our beloved princess.
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Post by: DelusionTrim on December 28, 2016, 12:01:40 am
So for those wondering, she finished filming her scenes in Star Wars VIII before she died:
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Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 14, 2017, 12:51:01 am
And Disney is already in negotiations with Fisher's family to include a CGI Leia in Episode 9: http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a818907/disney-carrie-fisher-cgi-princess-leia-future-star-wars-movies/
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2017, 01:53:32 am
LucasFilm just put out a statement saying that they will absolutely not digitally recreate Carrie Fisher. (http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-new-rumors)
This is definitely the right call. IMO, if they want to keep using the character (the original plan was apparently for her to have a major role in episode XI), they should recast.
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Post by: lui on January 23, 2017, 05:13:00 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C23gmNXUAAEuQhC.jpg)
official subtitle for episode 8 is "the last jedi"
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Post by: Jango on January 23, 2017, 07:01:34 pm
rip in peace luke
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Roman55 on January 23, 2017, 07:57:08 pm
Star Wars: The Last Unicorn
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Memo on January 23, 2017, 08:08:52 pm
The title sucks, I feel like they are trying to hard to Ride the success of the original trilogy, from what I've read, the film has a similar tone to empire and The fucking title, Return Of The Jedi! The Last Jedi! I hope its not the "last Jedi" they need to revive the council!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 23, 2017, 08:13:54 pm
The Last of Jedi, where Rey and Luke traverse a universe infected by the Dark Side only to learn the cure can only be obtained if Rey sacrifices herself
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Person Man on January 23, 2017, 09:20:11 pm
Probably worth remembering that the word Jedi can also be plural.
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Post by: walt on January 24, 2017, 04:20:05 pm
Goddamn, that information is indeed worth pointing out. People making all this fuss about Luke prolly dying.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 24, 2017, 05:23:25 pm
Seeing this title, I just remember this:
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNXOwdnxvCcehI3MrX23W_9vUBf7VxkezGUN_Ltzh9nRALt3cw) "Luke, when gone I am, the last Jedi will you be.
One of my favorite movie scenes ever. I hope Luke makes an epic turnout in this new generation of Star Wars movies.
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Post by: Byakko on January 24, 2017, 08:04:55 pm
Probably worth remembering that the word Jedi can also be plural.
Sorry, apparently foreign versions of the title indicate singular and male. But that's not to say he'll disappear, since he currently is already the last Jedi - just like the time of the original trilogy, the Jedi are like an urban myth, an old legend. And since the whole mythology seem to be straying away from black and white views of Jedi vs Sith, maybe Rey won't be a proper Jedi in the sense of light side / dark side. So Luke would remain the last.
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Post by: Jango on January 24, 2017, 09:41:38 pm
They already tried that approach in the prequels (note Revenge of the Sith's title crawl which says something like "there are heroes on both sides") and it blew chunks. See, the original Star Wars movies operate on a very simple black and white formula. Good VS Evil. Powerful VS Weak. Law VS Ideals. It became the phenomenon it was due to how universal and easy it is to understand this formula, along with having a cast of characters that you could relate to.
Muddling morality is also a pretty common trope, but doing that to the jedi/sith thing is a bit troubling. When you start axing how the Sith are evil and the Jedi are good, it basically comes down to what powers you gain access to (I'd like to see a "good" Sith justifying force-strangling).
THAT BEING SAID, hopefully Disney knows how to pull it off.
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Post by: Byakko on January 24, 2017, 10:26:31 pm
The good vs evil was always part of the iconic status of the original trilogy but it was also one of the things that never made sense (it does inside the movies, but not the minute you look outside of their limits). If Disney wants to build on this universe, like everyone else from the extended universe, they have to completely revamp that aspect, it just doesn't work if you want a world built around it. It's just that any new approach to the concept is a massive risk of simply making the original trilogy look like a bunch of fools. All I know of it is what they're doing on Star Wars Rebels (I have seen neither Clone Wars nor any of the extended universe stuff, books or comics or anything), and they're taking their sweet time easing us into this concept. There's a slight hope that they'll pull something believable while not making the Jedi and Sith of the original trilogy look like idiots, everyone on the Net has been talking about how Luke was definitely searching for the "original temples" giving the original explanation to what the Force is and how to properly use it without falling into either extreme. If Luke is the one to tell us about it and show his own growth through it, it just might work. Plus, the extended universe fans are already familiar with the concept of the grey Jedi.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 25, 2017, 01:20:18 am
The prequels (maybe? who can tell with those pieces of shit) added, or at least, attempted to add an interesting layer of complexity to the Jedi: whereas the original trilogy spoke of the Jedi as incorruptible and always noble, the prequels showed them to be an overly bureaucratic, mostly useless and vestigial remnant of what was perhaps a once great order. I know a popular theory is that Anakin actually did balance the Force by helping destroy the Jedi, but I don't think the movies really support that argument; one never got the sense that the Light and Dark sides of the Force were in any way equivalent, or that there needed to be any sort balancing between the child-murdering Sith and the peace-loving Jedi. It definitely seems like the intent of those movies was to show that the Jedi order failed in its duties, however, and were indirectly responsible for their downfall.
That would be a pretty cool and interesting tack to pick up in the new movies; Luke was trained by the last vestiges of the old Jedi order, and the same flaws they had repeated in Luke's brief revival of the Jedi. It's easy to imagine a basic plot where it's revealed Luke has been researching the origins of the Jedi and learns about the most ancient practices and shit (or maybe he just reforms the whole Jedi philosophy/teaching style himself), and he trains Rey in this reformed style, and together they go on to train others.
Luke gets to be the Last Jedi, while Rey and the future generation are something else. Something better.
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Post by: 1Ultima on April 14, 2017, 06:28:39 pm
1st trailer for Last Jedi.
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Post by: Jmorphman on April 15, 2017, 05:54:29 am
hell yes Carrie Fisher will not appear in any form in Episode IX, (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-carrie-fisher-will-not-appear-episode-ix-994204) whether it be a CGI recreation or through the use of of old, unused footage.
This feels like the right step to take.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 15, 2017, 07:24:19 pm
Rebels Season 4 Trailer, GET HYPE!!
I remember when Rebels 1st came out and I was not interested in it. Then I saw Vader was on it and decided to give it a try. I came for the Sith Lord but stayed for the Rebels.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 21, 2017, 04:26:23 am
that Han Solo movie just lost it's directors... in the middle of filming... with only a few weeks of shooting to go (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-film-loses-directors-1015419?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral) :uhoh:
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 07, 2017, 08:30:34 am
another director shakeup: Colin Trevorrow has left Episode IX (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/colin-trevorrow-as-director-star-wars-episode-ix-1035463).
This is starting to become a worrying trend, but... honestly, I'm kinda glad that Trevorrow isn't directing it anymore. He's not good!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Titiln on September 12, 2017, 06:00:18 pm
jj abrams back again http://www.starwars.com/news/j-j-abrams-to-write-and-direct-star-wars-episode-ix
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 12, 2017, 06:08:38 pm
I remember when J.J. Abrams was supposed to be the new Spielberg and somehow he's just become the safe choice to make when you need a director to bring your genre reboot in on schedule
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: SlySuavity on September 13, 2017, 01:47:38 am
So, Return of Another Jedi? Hard to feel confident when Abrams will be co-writing this with BvS' writer.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: lui on September 13, 2017, 02:21:36 am
jj is the new lucas of star wars i see
og trilogy had lucas, that other dude who directed empire strikes back, and then lucas again
this time around it will be jj,johnson,jj
hopefully it ends on a more original note
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Titiln on September 13, 2017, 02:39:29 am
So, Return of Another Jedi? Hard to feel confident when Abrams will be co-writing this with BvS' writer.
Well, Terrio also wrote Argo, so don't get too down. Co-writing something Zack Snyder is bound to bring anyone down!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on September 14, 2017, 01:20:31 am
If he just stays away from anyone named Martha, it'll be okay, right ?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: GTOAkira on October 10, 2017, 04:04:39 am
TRAILER!!!!
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Post by: QuickFist on October 10, 2017, 05:31:50 am
OH GOD I DON'T BELIEVE IN!! JESUS FIRE BREATHING CHRIST!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: HoHo on October 11, 2017, 01:13:01 am
I'm on cloud nine after seeing this trailer 5 times already. This is what I get from watching the Trailer Rey experience with Luke doesn't go well at all, he's terrified at the power she has like Kylo and doesn't want to guide her because he fears she'll turn to the Dark side. Kylo right now is wanting to bury his past that includes his Mother and maybe even Snoke who knows. Rey maybe turns to Kylo because he is the only one remember he said it Episode 7 you need a Teacher I can be that person for you and she remembered that. The rules have always been the rule of 2 Sith and Apprentice and the Apprentice history shows always wants to to be the big dog and it's had the Sith being killed by his or her own Apprentice. What if when Rey confronts Snoke because I think he's talking to Snoke and he drops who she is and maybe Snoke wanted Rey from the beginning which is why she was hidden, and he settled on Kylo to be his Apprentice. Maybe Snoke is about to possibly kill her and Kylo jumps in because he wants to kill and they eventually team up and now Kylo is the Sith Lord and Rey is the Apprentice? Which brings out Luke from the state he's in to stop them both with the help of Finn???
Luke is afraid of her power as if he was about to meet God himself that makes me go woah she's stronger than him even in his prime that says something as is Kylo. We've been seeing alot of Red being apart of this Trailer and with Kylo and Rey on their journeys could this two team up to take out Snoke? Star Wars Rebels the show has shown not everything is light and dark maybe those two are in the middle. The order of Jedi and Sith needs to end Luke said it imagine if Rey and Kylo are like we don't get along, but Snoke is a necessary evil we need to get rid of.
Finn I'm happy to see alot of with him fighting Captain Phasma. Finn's storyline of being a child Soldier and breaking from the First Order I'm hoping they dive into that more seeing him even when he was younger struggling to make a decision during his training. Lastly I hope Luke puts Rey through the Water with some Jedi Trails something that hasn't been seen in a Live Action version, shit is truly serious and intense.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Bastard Wolf on November 12, 2017, 12:01:59 am
So even though Episode VIII isn't even out yet Disney apparenlty liked what Rian Johnson did that they hried him to write and direct a brand new Star Wars Trilogy: http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/star-wars-tv-series-disney-streaming-service-1202611408/
There's also going to be a live-action Star Wars TV series coming to Disney's upcoming streaming service.
So Disney is going to milk that Star Wars cow until is nothing but dust 'n bones and then might dry that some more. Look, I'm happy we have more Star Wars but that's also the problem, there's far too much Star Wars nowdays one after another. :-\
In another note: anyone else watching Rebels Season 4?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on November 12, 2017, 12:15:03 am
The Extended Universe has kept on going for years and some of it was actually well appreciated, now it's just being done by Disney themselves. The only thing I figure is if it's new episodes for the main numbered saga, then it should be about something really central to the Star Wars universe itself, which is likely about the Force itself. the Extended Universe dug pretty far into the Skywalker and Solo lineages, but the current trilogy is apparently refocusing it all on Jedis, the Force, and the Light and Dark side. As long as it doesn't sound too much like some of the bad fanfiction and mary sues that the EU had, I figure Disney is smart enough to do it decently. They seem to have a pretty specific goal in mind for Rebels on the mystical side (I'm following it, yes), but it's still a little fuzzy and unspecific yet.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on December 16, 2017, 12:54:42 am
Saw it.
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I have a lot of conflicted feelings about a lot of things in this. I appreciate a bunch of things they did, but I feel let down by a lot of other things they did. And for a movie that was expected to be a really good Star Wars movie, that makes it rather bad by default.
I like the lessons that Luke teaches Rey about the Force. Clear and concise, settling the score on Jedis and Siths once and for all - just by explaining what the Force is in a simple way, no Light or Dark. But then it doesn't actually go deep enough. Luke wants out with the old orders and old views, but he doesn't bring any new suggestion about what to do with the Force. So naturally, after not wanting new Jedis because it's an old religion, Rey who is learning abot the Force is... still a Jedi, and Luke is even almost saying it with pride. They didn't even bother actually saying "well, let's just call a good Force user a Jedi, without the religion" for an easy rebranding of a name that couldn't reasonably be pushed aside. Of course, the idea of a Jedi from the original trilogy was already idealized, so tearing it down in this movie just to bring it back up immediately would be kinda weird (except that's already what they do), but at least it would efficiently get rid of the "Light vs Dark" fatalism that everyone started to question soon after the original trilogy (coming up with grey Jedi and whatnot).
The whole "just pass on your experience to the next generation and that'll be good enough, even the failures" and "we are what they grow upon" bits are always a great point to make, but again, in the end, they just acted like "Jedi = good" at the last minute, not actually *teaching* anyone about failures (Luke is literally the only one who hears the lesson). They even brought Yoda in to make that lesson (he looked real bad BTW), but once again, they didn't even try to illustrate his lesson about remembering failures just as much as success with a clear and simple "I failed to stop Darth Sidious, Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin, you failed to save Ben" to make you feel the weight of both success and failure. It felt like a big miss. Also related, I felt this Luke character arc is finally making the prequel trilogy work - it always was about how the Jedi Order could fail and bring about Darth Vader, but because of how bad it was, it was hard to actually connect to the original trilogy and the whole "new hope" symbol, and it just seemd like the edgy take on the original theme. Luke addresses the hubris and decadence of the Jedi Order without really dissing too much the iconic symbol of a Jedi itself (he deflects most of that to "the old religion", and the symbol part comes back at the end), and gives you a solid sense of the sliding scale of good and evil of the Force and how it led to the advent of Vader. It puts both trilogies in a common perspective, and that's good enough to make you forget the quality of the prequel IMO.
When Phasma finally showed up and after Snoke compared Kylo to Vader, it hit me how much Phasma was wasted (I mean even more so than her having all of two and a half scenes over both movies, what the hell was even her point beside the whole one-hit-wonder marketing of a strong female character that quickly disappeared under the rug). When Kylo was the Dark Side aspect of Vader (except angry and lashing out to be different enough), Phasma should have gotten the Terminator aspect that can't be shaken off, the actual military threat. But with the conflict between Kylo and Hugs, Phasma just got dropped off a cliff. Seriously, what the hell. And Hux himself was useless beside being made fun of by Poe, Phasma should have been there when he told Kylo to back off his army. Hux himself doesn't even make it work, Phasma should have been the personification of "his army". (oh, and I feel showing her eye when her helmet is broken is weird, they avoided giving her a face to not draw attention to the "pretty lady" aspect, and now they want us to realize she's a person, but I feel showing just her mouth would have been better, especially since she's shit-talking Finn at that moment)
I feared old Luke would be a bit difficult to really recognize compared to the original trilogy because of how much Mark Hamill changed, but the flashbacks and the final fight where he looks a bit younger really gave you that feel that it was really Luke, and how much Luke himself evolved rather than just Hamill aging. Speaking of the final fight... The first bit with Luke unscathed by all the blaster shots felt way too much like a bad fanfiction on the spot, but the twist makes it work out... except Luke ends up dying anyway. Why the hell did they have Luke fuck around with Kylo's head and make Kylo feel like he failed to kill Luke, if Luke actually dies all the same ?? He'll probably show up as a Force ghost to mess with him some more just as he promises, sure, but the whole fake-out-except-not was super weird. And speaking of the flashback, when Luke admits he caught himself with a really bad thought (trying to kill Ben) is really missing an extra sentence connecting it back to the "hubris of the old Jedi order" to really make this the point where Luke started questioning the "old religion".
The "cute animals" were all completely useless. Same with Benicio's character that didn't pay off - in fact, Finn and Rose actually got half of the Rebellion killed for some bullshit lol. You'd expect Benicio's character to parallel Lando and redeem himself, but he did much worse than Lando. A redemption for him in ep 9 would look really bad. I just don't see where's they're going with that, if anywhere. Thumbs up to the lightspeed kamikaze attack. Really well brought up and executed, biggest win of the movie IMO. Too bad the whole part about her not telling her plan to people and telling them about the secret base made Poe, Finn, Rose and others doubt her, leading to the useless destruction of half the fleet.
LOL SNOKE FAKE-OUT I'm not even expecting him to return, neither as a ghost nor as a clone / backup host body or whatever you might come up with. I was wondering how they'd make episode 9 work without a villain (especially after literally dropping Phasma out like an old sock), but it looks like they're dead set on really making Kylo the final antagonist after all the back and forth on turning him good or killing him. The problem is... Ever since he killed Han, I can't see how ep 9 would make any sort of redemption work out. The best he can hope for is die like Vader, but I can't see how they'd bring that up well enough, give it a good reason. Especially since he's the last villain, they can't bring up a surprise new big bad out of nowhere. Only thing I can think of is him straight up losing his shit and starting hallucinating Snoke, like Kylo is the real last villain but he thinks he's not and he just goes off to cause his own death in some stupid way by going full straightjacket crazy. They've been hinting pretty heavily at his insanity for a while. But then, Rey's obsession with saving him is making it all look really weird, because... why would we actually want Kylo to be saved !
Last thing I appreciated was the very last scene showing that the "Resistance" is made alive with everyone's desires, and connecting that with kids dreaming of the "legend of the Jedi Master" works out well, it picks up on both the hope for toppling down the Empire of Evil and the magical dream of superpowered heroes (even if Luke himself tried hard to deny it). Its a little bit self-contradicting with the whole point of the Resistance being made up of little people and nobodies - and of the whole Force affinity not being tied to bloodline because even a child of some complete nobodies like Rey can become very strong - but... it works out on the level of dreams and ideals. On the other hand, the resistance theme feels really forced in this trilogy. They just got out of decades of Republic, suddenly the First Order blows up a few grouped planets and the whole galaxy is out of a Republic ? I didn't even realize the Republic was over at the end of ep 7, I thought ep 7 introduced this new group as "just a splinter of the Republic" that tries to fight off the First Order when most of the Republic don't realize how much of a threat they are. It really feels that they're just playing hard on the old empire vs resistance theme of the original trilogy without a good justification. Until Poe and everyone kept hammering the idea of the "spark of the resistance" I didn't even understand why they were using that name. I mean, all the First Order has is a bunch of ships and not even a Death Star, the Republic is out of a few planets but the First Order doesn't even have one that we've seen. Why is this movie telling us the First Order is in a so much better position than the Resistance.
It's a good movie with good characters, but quite frankly, it felt far less Star Wars than Rogue One IMO. I understand that this was the starting point for a new trilogy that branches off the main Skywalker bloodline with the world building, but Rogue One did a better job at feeling connected to the universe while being its own thing with different people (actually Benicio's character would have worked a lot better in Rogue One).
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Foobs on December 16, 2017, 04:36:34 pm
Saw it last night
I really liked it. The space fights scenes really kept me on the edge of my sit. I'd swear the previous movies' weren't as intense as this one's, the Dreadnaught fight is really jaw dropping and it's just the movies intro. This movie also toys with the viewers expectations so many times I forgot I was watching a popcorn film.
Spoiler: On Snoke(click to see content)
I really fucking hated the way they handled Snoke.
I was under the impression Snoke was like 3 meters tall and his wardrobe was more Sith Lord than Hugh Hefner. Seeing him as a human sized AIDS ridden pimp in a golden robe really rubbed me off. The cheap-looking red light on his room didn't help. I'm also not fond of how he was killed before really doing or showing anything on his own. I get that he's the Darth Sidious to Kylo's Vader, but of all the things Disney could (and did) ape from the original trilogy having a one dimensional big baddie being slaughtered by the real antagonist is pretty disappointing. At least Darth Sidious had a backstory in the prequel trilogy, Snoke doesn't have shit.
Spoiler: On Leia(click to see content)
She should've died when the Resistance's flagship was blown to pieces. It's pretty awkward to watch her (very cheesy) survival scene knowing she'll be gone from the next film, and more so considering how the other risk life and limb subplots end up in realistic failures. Feels like the movie wasted a good chance to put Leia to sleep just to make a joke about her hair.
I agree the main issue of the movie - whether the Jedi should continue to exist or not - was poorly handled. The way of the Jedi is challenged, they're successfully shown as flawed, but their ideals are not really upheld. Luke not only fails Ben, he kinda fails Rey too. He doesn't actually teach her shit beyond his first lecture, he doesn't protect her from the dark side, what the fuck did she gain from going to his planet other than coming to terms to being an unwanted orphan after that infinity mirror epiphany? It just the reinforces Rey's image as Mary Sue who doesn't need anyone or anything to save the day.
When Yoda showed up (and why did they go with a CGI Yoda who looks like a puppet? that's a real awkward middle of the road aesthetic) I expected him to deliver some real wisdom that somehow solves the Jedi's philosophical conflict.
...and then he doesn't. He just validates all the shit Luke already believed and destroys an ancient the sacred place (since the Jedi don't really disappear this is an empty gesture and pointless act of arson). I expected him to say something like "just because a shit teacher you are, the Jedi disappear must not" or deliver a real lesson on how to make the Jedi better other than passing his failures as well as his knowledge to Rey. Which he doesn't, as he dies before sitting down with Rey again. And even if he did, what's she supposed to get from Luke's mistakes with Ben, don't point lethal weapons at your pupils while they sleep? shit, he could've at least thought her how to troll people from the other side of the galaxy.
Oh and on the kamikaze attack...why wasn't that plan A? the ship was going down no matter what, it made more sense to crash it into the Order's fleet than letting it go down slowly once everyone was evacuated and the order was already chasing the space pods. Why was everyone surprised things turned out the way they did?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on December 16, 2017, 05:29:01 pm
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On Leia, they most likely didn't want to do any reshoot. She's in frame in a lot of the scenes where they couldn't just edit her out or cut the frames where she's there (in the escape ship then on the new base after Luke gets here), cutting her out would have needed some rewrite (a bit more than just use someone else to do the same thing) and some reshoots that involve a lot of people. And also I think it would have felt super shitty to take her out in that one scene, plus they all advertised her as a major part of this movie. BTW, speaking of how they advertised Leia's role, I really didn't feel it. I felt a lot more that they turned Leia into Carrie Fisher just for the hell of it - the kind of sass she gives completely changed from her young version. And Leia was a lot of "just being there" and "oh hey look, she does use the Force a bit !", but it didn't really feel like the original trilogy. Ford as Han was true to himself to the letter, Luke got flashbacks to really show us how he turned into old Mark Hamill, but the Carrie Fisher/Leia discrepancy was really strong. Most of Leia's character was just one part of the many strong females this movie got, and with the introduction of her old friend who literally takes her place in everything (and dies all the same anyway), a lot of the things Leia did didn't actually require Leia, if not for the part where everyone looks up to her as the founder of the Resistance (both old and new).
On Rey, I feel like the whole Mary Sue problem is toned down when they frame it as "anyone can be sensitive to the Force and even be really good with it" and further when that bit is connected to the last "anyone can be part of the Resistance" message. I mean, it's still a giant Mary Sue, but it's not about her anymore, it's expressly telling us it could literally be anyone. It doesn't bother me as much as ep 7, ep 8 is much more about Kylo Ren anyway. I'm still waiting for Rey to actually matter. But considering the deconstruction theme in ep 8, I'm not even sure they'll go through with it, and just go back to Finn... ? Well, if they stick to the original trilogy as closely as they did so far, Rey will come back a full "new Jedi" with strong philosophy and understanding of the Force and whatnot, but I'm not even sure it'll be a big plot point. It might just be there to please the fans and finally fix our view on the Force, but the story will be something else - fixing Kylo, and Rey will just be a tool for that.
On Snoke... he's a big disappointment considering they had everyone think he'd be this trilogy's Sidious, but seeing all the massive deconstruction and how they made fun of everything, it didn't surprise me much - of course, the fact that they're very close to being insulting to a lot of classic bits with this "deconstruction" is strongly questionable (Luke tossing the lightsaber behind, Snoke hitting Rey over the head with the lightsaber like a bitch, Luke "dusting off" the blaster onslaught like a jackass...), but because that was the tone of the whole movie, making Snoke a giant bait-and-switch is understandable. I'd have been more annoyed at him if they'd wasted more time showing his golden bathrobe upclose in full glory, but the face shots were enough to make it believable until the end, just letting us now that "this is a super flashy gaudy jackass and he's super strong with the Force" but I didn't feel they were too obnoxious about it. They just let us now "this is the guy, this is what he does and what he likes", and then ditched him. Oh yeah, I keep reading in other reviews that Snoke was said to be "from the unknown regions" beyond the outer rim and everyone is expecting those regions to play a big part in the future trilogy to develop the whole Force mythology. That might still be enough of a backstory from Snoke. But I don't know about giving him a backstory - Rey is the new big face of the Jedi and she the child of literal nobodies, and Snoke was for a moment the face of the Empire and he doesn't really need to be anyone special. They did give us enough info when they said "he's just a guy who was around in the Empire during the final battles of the original trilogy" and they hinted pretty hard that it was all we needed to know about him. Considering he was just one part of the big deconstruction operation, I don't feel he needs to be given anything more, that's why I'm not expecting him to make a surprise villain revival.
About Yoda, I completely missed it in the movie but I read afterward that the books that were in the tree appear in the Falcon with Rey ? Did anyone spot it ? It means that Yoda trolled Luke super hard when pretending to burn the tree and then telling him "don't worry, Rey has everything she needs already !", not to mention trolling the viewers when we think "what the fuck, are you seriously burning books just because you don't like the content ?" as Yoda and Luke tell each other that the old religion isn't needed but we need to pass on knowledge and experience and failures while we think about the huge loss of History.
On the kamikaze attack, I suppose they didn't want to risk a big mess, they only intended to keep a low profile and let the First Order think they'd won (it's not great, but it's an obvious survival tactic). Taking out the ship with FTL was a really insane idea, and I did get the feel from the acting alone that it was a desperate last ditch idea that popped in her mind, and they didn't even imagine it when planning things out. The escape ships were supposed to remain undetected and unnoticed in the first place (I mean... you know... short of looking out the window...) It could have been an idea that Poe would've had if he'd been in on the plan since the start, of course, but I got enough of a feeling that it wasn't the style of that particular character (or Leia), so they didn't plan for it. But she's also a war hero, so she didn't hesitate when she got this lose-or-die idea, and I felt it worked out really great, best scene of the movie IMO.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: kakkoii superhero on December 17, 2017, 12:37:43 am
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I think it plays on the modern view, a good person don't need to be a church goer or reading bible, just by their action and intention alone you show your true color, and the conclusion I got whether Jedi would stay true to their path or fall to the dark side only time and life experience would tell when the person faces lost or dissapointment, I think Rey's intention to bring back Ben to the good side and not hellbent on avenging Han Solo's death is a good sign and is enough for Luke to see her as a Jedi. emotionally unstable person would likely to fall to the dark side as Ben Solo clearly shows how unstable he is, and there is no solution to that other than expelling or killing the person when they start showing his tendency for dark side, it is more fate and things they're born with rather than teaching, Luke believes that and probably proven again and again to be the case, Rey had different view and believed she can bring back Ben but she was proven wrong (for now). I think it just borrow stuff from many kungfu movies or even fist of the north star concept, bloodline lineage doesn't matter, every person is different, the force can choose anyone.
my personal complaint is that the force videochat thing is way too weird, even Luke and Vader that was related by blood don't get that close mind to mind, how come Ben and Rey who just happen to meet once can go that far, or perhaps they fall in love with each other or something maybe
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on December 17, 2017, 01:23:07 am
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Luke and Vader did have a connection. They didn't show any explicit detail, but they made it clear that they both knew when each other was close by without actively looking for each other. They could easily retcon those scenes to say that they could see or hear each other, Vader calls out to Luke a couple times, Luke knows which ship Vader is on, etc. And then there's the part where Luke on Dagobah searches for Leia and Han, finds them, and then sees their future. Back then, you could get away with saying it was simply a vision about the people he was seeking, but with this new context, it would be easy to also retcon it so that he did actually find them where they were, and *then* saw the future. And even if it wasn't as clear for Vader and Luke as it is for Rey and Ben, don't forget that Snoke reveals he's the one who made it possible for both to see and talk to each other to the point they could almost touch. Ben and Rey were both as confused by it and couldn't understand it, it didn't come from their own power. In all of those cases, there's enough leeway to say it was close enough, even if they didn't make it clear in the original trilogy, you can still say "yes, it was the same all along". If anything, Snoke is the one with crazy powers, not Ben and Rey. Well, there's Luke too, projecting his image from halfway across the galaxy and the dice that Ben can physically pick up. Considering how this alone largely moves the scale up on what the Force allows you to do, the Ben/Rey connection doesn't feel too awkward IMO.
In fact, I just think that they scaled up the "videochat" solely to make the "geez, put a damn shirt on !" joke. That just sounds like the kind if thing they'd do for shit and giggles, considering the much more pop culture approach. --- I know I made a lot of nitpicks and complaints, but there definitely were some great scenes. The Poe space fight at the beginning, the Ben/Luke (fake) fight was nuts, the twist reveal on that fight was straight up jaw dropping and the direction of that sequence greatly helped (and the tiny details like Luke not leaving any footprint in the sand), it's just that a lot of small details kind of made it "really weird on hindsight" because of the context. A lot of it was pure fan service pop culture, and that makes it both awesome and a bit jarring in hindsight. And I'm just not too comfortable with that.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: kakkoii superhero on December 17, 2017, 02:10:05 am
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before the connection was more Highlanders sense when they are in close proximity with each other, now it's upgraded into another level, knowing the other person's intention or future, how would that translate in battle? Ben should have sensed the body projection thing if they can feel each other force's signature, even his sister was fooled, how was that possible, must be a plothole or forced way to bring luke's end since the movie is almost done. and how Poe thought it would lead them to another passage way for their escape was wrong or inconsistent with the following plot, since Luke never came in person to begin with.
I somehow think the captain would survive the fiery pit, maybe cyborgdized, or maybe recloned, I think it is logical for her not leading the modern AT-AT (dunno the name), since she was the captain for the infantry troopers.
another thing if Snoke could find where Rey was and opened communication channel, how come the star destroyer don't space jump and level that planet system, since he must know her intention to be in that place to find Luke Skywalker.
great movie nonetheless, most enjoyable one, even Luke's end doesn't feel bad, most likely he will show up in ghost form just like Yoda in future episodes, Rogue One was good but a bit dark & nihilistic since everyone died in the end.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on December 17, 2017, 02:22:52 am
knowing the other person's intention or future, how would that translate in battle?
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Like how Vader in the middle of his fight in Return of the Jedi can pick up on Luke's fear for his sister (when Vader didn't even know Luke had a sister before) and find him hiding in the shadow ? They do that a few times in the original trilogy. It's not an inconsistency, they're just forcing a tiny bit on the wiggle room given by the lack of details in the original trilogy. It's not a big deal. The original trilogy looked like it was all some sort of "feeling", but they never actually really described it. It could very well have been actually hearing each other all along.
As for Poe assuming that Luke must have come through an opening, well, it does turn out to be a big mistake. Poe did also get a hint from the crystal foxes, only drawing his conclusion from both of those hints, and that both turned out to be a big failure (just like Finn's and Rose's entire expedition, too), so it does work out : Poe was wrong on both accounts (Luke and the foxes), that's all. But then Rey does show up to free the way, to complete the miraculous escape (her spotting the foxes escaping also played a part in that miracle, too).
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even his sister was fooled, how was that possible, must be a plothole or forced way to bring luke's end since the movie is almost done
If that's what they wanted to do, they might as well not have Luke be a fake at all, and just make him actually come and die at Kylo's hands. The whole double fake out (he's dead ? No, he wasn't even there ! ... But he still dies anyway !!? Why did they bother making him a fake image then ??) upsets me more than Leia not realizing he was a fake image. There's no real reason to think either Kylo or Leia should have noticed he wasn't actually there. He fooled everyone because he's just that good, that's all.
edit - just checked the RotJ throne fight. Both Luke and Vader comment on how the other's thoughts betray them and they learn something important from what the other is thinking. It might as well flat out say that they really hear each other's thoughts.
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another thing if Snoke could find where Rey was and opened communication channel, how come the star destroyer don't space jump and level that planet system, since he must know her intention to be in that place to find Luke Skywalker.
Maybe he doesn't actually know where she is, he's just picking up the radio wifi signal but can't trace its exact location. Remember Luke insists that the whole planet is hidden away and he closed himself off from the Force, even Ben comments on how he can't see Rey's surroundings so it must means the place is cloaked.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: kakkoii superhero on December 17, 2017, 02:48:16 am
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I think they did that twice (or more? if you include the gesture about borrowing that necklace to use as conductor and then gave it back), making something looks genuine, and the back pedaling and haha we troll you, like script for TV show just before advertisement block
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on January 09, 2018, 04:24:40 pm
Is there anyone who still hasn't seen it ?
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http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-wars/54435/how-george-lucas-influenced-star-wars-the-last-jedi One big problem I had with this is that the change in writers and directors made me think it wasn't a single story thought in a coherent fashion and that it was written on the go. Apparently Disney did also buy Lucas' original idea for this trilogy. Like a disillusioned hermit Luke, the yet newer hope in a Padawan, the Jedi killer, and everything. Except Luke is "broken" specifically because he failed to stop Kylo from destroying his new order, so echoing Yoda/Palpatine and Obi-Wan/Vador, like I said in a previous post. The whole "it's time for the Jedi to end" idea for Luke does come from Lucas, but it's seriously missing just a few lines here and there to make it really work. It should have insisted that Luke fully understood the hubris of the Jedi when he realized he tried to kill his pupil, linking the teacher's failure to the "Jedi must end" line better, rather than just going "oh I fucked up with one student, time to erase thousands of years of records".
I still feel like there's no real sense of where Kylo is going to go for the finale, and what they'll do with Luke's ghost if they actually plan to rehabilitate him like by adding what I think is greatly missing. The article says Disney got Lukas' ideas that we've seen in 7 and 8 (just rearranged it), but says nothing about 9. It still irritates me, although it's not unreasonable to assume ep 9 will in fact stick to Lukas' original script after all.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Foobs on January 09, 2018, 05:49:30 pm
It's been three weeks since the worldwide release, we can drop the spoiler tags now.
Considering the source is a concept art book, it makes sense it only mentions the early drafts for VII and VIII and not IX. Disney may not know where to take the franchise, but I think it's more likely that they do know and don't want to spill the beans. A billionaire project like a SW trilogy doesn't sound like the kind of stuff Disney does on the fly.
It'd be interesting to ask Lucas how did he plan to end the trilogy, but he might be under a strict NDA.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2018, 06:47:19 pm
So apparently Andy Serkis is going around talking about Snoke, how he too was shocked to see him die like that but that he knew it felt right at that moment in the movie because Kylo Ren is the one who's important and they wanted to "clear the deck" of the Emperor/Vader relationship... but hinting that "you never know" when a character dies if he will return or be brought back somehow. Personally I'd find it hilarious if he returned as a Force ghost, to maintain the emphasize on how blurred the line is between the light and dark sides (no Sith has appeared as a Force ghost, only Jedis - and post-redemption Anakin), to show off Snoke's mastery of the Force a bit more for shit 'n giggles, and because that would be pretty satisfying as a counter-weight to the Emperor/Vader connection if Ghost Nappa Snoke just started haunting Kylo like an angry vengeful ghost. Take the focus a bit off either character and more on the Force itself, what it can do, like a disaster movie with good and bad characters running away from a storm. Maybe this could actually go somewhere (because Kylo right now is a pretty terrible character and is looking to be an awful big bad in ep 9 on his own), and where Last Jedi on its own really divided the fandom, seeing the trilogy as a whole might have episode 9 counter balance episode 8 a lot and make it feel better in hindsight.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Byakko on April 12, 2019, 11:27:57 pm
Sssooooooo the title is Star Wars Episode IX : Fuck Rian Johnson, then, right ? Was that it ?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: SlySuavity on April 13, 2019, 12:26:22 am
For what gripes people have with the sequel trilogy -- and understandably so -- I'm all for more Lando.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2019, 01:02:06 am
Sssooooooo the title is Star Wars Episode IX : Fuck Rian Johnson, then, right ? Was that it ?
Eh, they almost certainly are not bringing back Luke back as anything other than a Force Ghost. I think the most likely scenario is that the subtitle refers either to Rey taking on the surname "Skywalker" (or being bestowed it as a sobriquet by people upon her), as a tribute to Luke, or, (and I think this is way more interesting and more likely) that the "Skywalker" becomes a title, a new order that Rey starts that's like a more balanced Jedi Order or something.
Luke was the Last Jedi, and Rey becomes the First Skywalker. It just feels narratively right!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Long John Killer on April 13, 2019, 01:20:16 am
I'm highly amused that once again in this new trilogy Robot Chicken did one of their big plot points first as a gag.
I'm still interested but consistently less so with each passing film, so hope they have something good planned this time around. Didn't even bother with the last one in theaters after its reception and seeing it streamed months later left me with a worse feeling than all the polarizing opinions on its message on politics; it was a bore and quite forgetful. Which is something that Star Wars absolutely can not be.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: rgveda99 on April 13, 2019, 05:50:42 am
There's no Rose in it. I hope its true. :hyo:
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2019, 07:36:21 am
Uh, no? She was at the big Star Wars event along with the rest of the cast. And she's in the trailer!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: rgveda99 on April 13, 2019, 07:46:13 am
I'll just hope for the next best thing which is they'll kill the character off the first 5 or 10 minutes. :rifle:
While I do appreciate more significant asian representation in Hollywood I just don't like this character Rose at all. :bjugoi:
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Last Jedi (till later movies)
Post by: Lichtbringer on April 13, 2019, 07:56:22 am
Is it just me or was that the laughter of Emperor Palpatine in the end of the Trailer?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2019, 02:13:56 pm
Yes. Ian McDiarmid, the actor, even walked on the stage immediately after that and with his Palpatine voice said "roll. it. again." (and they played it again)
I don't have anything against the Rose character, it's just that everything around her was bad, but she should be fine in a movie that's actually well done.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Person Man on April 13, 2019, 02:36:39 pm
Naturally, the everyone's mad about this trailer and still complaining about The Last Jedi, but that's to be expected. Star Wars fans have been irrationally angry about everything for the last 40 years and they're not about to stop now. There is literally nothing that any director could do that Star Wars fans wouldn't complain about.
I thought The Last Jedi was great, minus the whole subplot with Holdo which didn't make any sense the way it was presented, and the new trailer looks great as well. Though I do find it funny how Snoke wound up being such an underdeveloped character that he got replaced by the guy who he himself was supposed to be replacing.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Gennos on April 13, 2019, 02:56:37 pm
the last jedi was kinda sucky. especially, the bit where luke thought that killing his nephew was a good idea because he predicted(?) that he was gonna be evil?
a very contradictory thing to do, especially from the guy who almost died trying to redeem his evil father.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Foobs on April 13, 2019, 05:42:26 pm
TLJ is an interesting film in that it makes you think it's pretty smart when you walk out of the theater but it falls apart when you rewatch it and the plot twists no longer shock you. Episode VI was "Return of the Jedi" and the eponymous Jedi is not who the audiences expected at first. So instead of Rey taking on Skywalker as title or surname (or worse, somehow revealing she was related to Luke and Leia all along) there must be some misdirection at play here. So maybe the title refers to Leai and/or Kylo since they're the only living familiy members of Luke Skywalker?
Maybe force ghost Vader comes back as Anakin Skywalker to kill force ghost Palpatine.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Person Man on April 13, 2019, 06:01:35 pm
The Last Jedi was a Star Wars movie that doesn't care what you think about Star Wars. The whole message was about the self-destructiveness that comes from clinging so desperately to the past and a perceived idea of how things are "supposed to be." They didn't want to just follow a fanboys checklist of "these are the things that you are allowed to do in Star Wars" and personally I feel like it was a stronger movie for it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2019, 06:32:08 pm
It only tried to make you go "holy shit that's cool" but it didn't even bother having it make sense with anything else - not with the rest of the series, but also not even with itself. Breaking your expectations is fine, but you should still expect it to make sense. It also tried too hard to ignore the deference you would expect - Luke tossing aside the lightsaber like it was just a dumb rock set the tone for the whole thing. This isn't a bad thing in itself and it's nice that some of it was funny, but there's just so much of it that it went straight into meme material, and that's just terrible. Yes, there were good ideas, and a good attempt at making a point, but it was just executed in a terrible way.
No one went in expecting a checklist of things you're allowed to do in Star Wars. People disliked how episode 7 was too much of a copy of 4. People wanted something new. Luke's ghost battle was a great way to do something new and unexpected, and it really was jaw-dropping, but then it fucks everything up by killing him anyway. If they were going to kill him, it made no sense to not make him come in person, but it was too busy inserting more cool and more messiah complex that ended up completely pointless.
Episode VI was "Return of the Jedi" and the eponymous Jedi is not who the audiences expected at first.
... Wait, who did people expect the Jedi to be ? Episode 5 was all about Yoda training Luke to be a Jedi and we already saw Obi-Wan as a Force Ghost. Who else were people thinking about ? Not Vader, was it ?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Foobs on April 13, 2019, 06:35:29 pm
The whole message was about the self-destructiveness that comes from clinging so desperately to the past and a perceived idea of how things are "supposed to be."
But it's not. At the end of the movie nobody learns absolutely anything and everyone still thinks "sith bad, jedi good".
Rey doesn't learn shit from Luke, Luke doesn't learn shit from Yoda about how to reform the Jedi and Yoda doesn't even burn the goddamn books Rey later picks up. Nobody is any wiser about the failings of the Jedi at the end of the movie, and nobody knows how to adress them in the future.
Luke becomes even more of a messianic figure than he was before, and people are clinging to the legend of the Jedi harder than before.
Episode VIII tries to bullshit you into thinking it makes a point about the black and white morality of the original trilogy, but it ultimately says nothing.
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... Wait, who did people expect the Jedi to be ? Episode 5 was all about Yoda training Luke to be a Jedi and we already saw Obi-Wan as a Force Ghost. Who else were people thinking about ? Not Vader, was it ?
Well the title is ambiguous so you can interpret it as "Return of Luke" or "Return of the Jedi (Order)" but I'm on the camp that believes its meant to be Vader since his return from the dark side is what brings the conflict of the movie to an end.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Gennos on April 13, 2019, 06:55:30 pm
The Last Jedi was a Star Wars movie that doesn't care what you think about Star Wars. The whole message was about the self-destructiveness that comes from clinging so desperately to the past and a perceived idea of how things are "supposed to be." They didn't want to just follow a fanboys checklist of "these are the things that you are allowed to do in Star Wars" and personally I feel like it was a stronger movie for it.
so to make it different from how star wars are "supposed to be.", they should fuck up everything about luke's character and make him as far away as possible from what he was in the original movies? he was brave, rebellious, cheerful and kind back then. but they completely (intentionally) botched him in TLJ, they made him gloomy, cowardly, obnoxious, and kinda idiotic for trying to kill his nephew. he was also very useless in the movie. his biggest achievement was tricking kylo into fighting his spirit, a move that actually killed him.
im not even a fan of star wars, i actually somewhat dislike it. but they could've made TLJ different without destroying luke's character.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Person Man on April 13, 2019, 07:01:01 pm
so to make it different from how star wars are "supposed to be.", they should fuck up everything about luke's character and make him as far away as possible from what he was in the original movies? he was brave, rebellious, cheerful and kind back then. but they completely (intentionally) botched him in TLJ, they made him gloomy, cowardly, obnoxious, and kinda idiotic for trying to kill his nephew. he was also very useless in the movie. his biggest achievement was tricking kylo into fighting his spirit, a move that actually killed him.
im not even a fan of star wars, i actually somewhat dislike it. but they could've made TLJ different without destroying luke's character.
People like to forget that in the original Star Wars Luke Skywalker was a teenager who was forced to watch everyone he ever considered family die, got dragged into a war he had nothing to do with, forced to shoulder the fate of an entire galaxy himself, had two mentors die in front of him before they could finish teaching him what to he was supposed to do, accidentally made out with his own sister, had his hand cut off, found out his dad was Space Hitler and then had to watch his dad die too. As much as everyone wants to romanticize Luke as some perfect godly hero, there's no way he comes out of the original trilogy without being a total mental wreck.
But whatever. I thought it was really good movie and I don't owe anyone any justification of that. I already know that when people get mad about Star Wars they stay mad forever so I'm not going to let that ruin my enjoyment of the films.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2019, 07:05:44 pm
Yeah, it's definitely because people can't change their mind, not because it's actually bad even if you do find things that you like in it (good for you, more power). It's fine to recognize that something is bad but you still like it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Person Man on April 13, 2019, 07:11:23 pm
Man, there are still people arguing about Han shooting first so don't even pretend that Star Wars fans aren't willing to cling on to petty grievances.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2019, 07:16:25 pm
I'm not pretending anything, that just doesn't mean there's even a reasonable controversy over TLJ's hidden quality. Even outside of Star Wars, it has notable defects.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: R565 on April 13, 2019, 07:41:16 pm
Personally, i'm not much of a Star Wars fan, but i do have hopes for this movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2019, 09:23:52 pm
I'm not pretending anything, that just doesn't mean there's even a reasonable controversy over TLJ's hidden quality. Even outside of Star Wars, it has notable defects.
Man, c'mon, don't be ridiculous. The movie is among the highest (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/star_wars_saga/) reviewed movies (https://www.metacritic.com/pictures/star-wars-movies-ranked-worst-to-best) in the franchise, it earned a CinemaScore of "A" (https://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-metacritic-imdb-users-cinemascore-posttrak-1202228837/), and it made over a billion dollars (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm) at the box office. By no means are these perfect representations of what the majority of filmgoers think about the movie (for example: critic reviews do not necessarily align with the tastes of general audiences, but they tend to track relarively closely; CinemaScores are highly inflated and most movies tend to get at minimum a B+ as long as they aren't disastrous, but they are the only scientific polling about what average moviegoers think, and can't be manipulated or get review bombed like the user scores on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB; making tons of money at box office doesn't necessarily guarantee quality as the Transformers films prove, but in general, movies with bad word of mouth tank at the box office; etc), but they're the best tools available. And they all point to the fact that TLJ was pretty well received.
But this by no means invalidates anyone's negative opinion about the movie! Anyone is completely and totally free to like or dislike the movie without being dismissed as being a loon who is pretending to ignore that there exists some objective quantification of a movie's quality that they disagree with!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2019, 11:06:28 pm
I did say you can still enjoy a movie that has notable flaws and big moments that seriously don't make sense. It's a big spectacle, and it does have major jaw-dropping moments, it's enough to like it and for it to have great reviews and great numbers and for you to have a good time watching it. Like Foobs said, it can be good as you watch it and then it just clicks as you walk out that there were writing decisions that made no sense.
It still has critically bad writing decisions and directing choices that are completely broken, as a part of the Star Wars universe and also as a standalone space sci-fi movie. It just doesn't stop people from enjoying the rest of it, this isn't a contradiction. It's possible that a lot of people like a bad movie ! People should understand that more and not be ashamed of what they like and not immediately judge a thing as either completely white or completely black and hunt down anyone who thinks the opposite. You can find flaws in a movie you like and you can find good parts in a movie that pisses you off.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Person Man on April 14, 2019, 12:01:15 am
And maybe also people should stop passing off their own personal opinion as objective fact and accept that just because you are upset about something does not make you right. Just because a person doesn't like something doesn't mean that it is "completely broken" or a failure on every single level, or that other people who do like that thing should be treated like they're doing something wrong or have to apologize for their own feelings.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Long John Killer on April 14, 2019, 12:11:44 am
I'm honestly still surprised it made such a big deal because as far as I found it, it was a boring film. Nothing really gets accomplished except realizing that Snoke was a bigger no one than what they were trying to make a big deal out of Rey being no one special. Heck, even the whole light-speed ramming thing that people like to take from it as the casual viewer's silver lining isn't that special, seen similar scenes before and it still was pretty stupid all around.
If it was a movie that was intended to be made without regard to your opinion as to what makes a Star Wars movie, at least it could have had the decency to have been an interesting, engaging movie. And, well, I was interested and engaged if they were going to do anything with Phasma at the very least. They didn't in the end, making her more useless than who she was replacing with Boba Fett in his run in the original movies, but it's something.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Byakko on April 14, 2019, 12:22:11 am
Just because a person doesn't like something doesn't mean that it is "completely broken" or a failure on every single level, or that other people who do like that thing should be treated like they're doing something wrong or have to apologize for their own feelings.
I literally, explicitly said the exact opposite of both these things you act like I said.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Jmorphman on April 14, 2019, 12:24:37 am
This is getting kinda contentious, as all TLJ conversations tend to go. Can't we all just agree that some people liked the movie and some people didn't, and both are perfectly valid and no one is pretending to enjoy a bad movie or hate a good movie?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Foobs on December 24, 2019, 03:47:12 am
So, Rise of Skywalker..
It's as bad as the critics said. It'd been a mediocre to ok-ish popcorn movie if they had trimmed some half hour and made the final act not shit.
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The whole movie is an awkward wild goose chase. Some people say it's "videogamey" and I can see where they come from, the sequence of "find the dagger - > hack C3PO -> traslate the text -> get the pyramid thing -> face the final boss" doesn't have a good flow and feels very unnatural on a movie format, it's the kind of thing you'd expect from a series of scripted events on an RPG.
Kylo and Rey are trash characters to the very end, the former has the redemption arc we always knew he'd have and it's as mediocre as anyone would expect, the latter manages to come across as even more of a Mary Sue than before.
The ending of the movie is terrible. It's bloated as fuck, the subplot about stopping the star destroyers navigation system is stupid, Palpatine's motivation makes no fucking sense. He's willing to let Rey kill him so she becomes the new empress, even though he has functional immortality and thus no need for a descendant/successor to begin? but then when the option to suck force from her and Kylo and receive some power up shows up he takes it without as much of a second thought? and then Rey kills him in anti-climatic climax and has the cringiest, most fanfictiony final goodbye with Kylo.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: lui on December 24, 2019, 04:04:09 am
I liked it alot. The finale is pretty thrilling and i like the conclusions to everyones character arcs, they feel pretty proper. The ending is really good too.
Theres some dumb shit like every star wars movie, but its not enough to tarnish my enjoyment.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 24, 2019, 05:09:58 am
someone made a (short) post on how a trilogy sequel of harry potter would be if made the same way as this star wars one; it was pretty cringey.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Jmorphman on December 24, 2019, 10:52:59 am
I kind of hated it.
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It felt so calculated and cynical in all the worst way, in a way none of the other new ones felt to me. And of course there was all the horrible pacing, the confused and poorly delivered plot points (it would've been readily apparent that this movie had a troubled production history even if it hadn't been public knowledge that Colin Trevorrow was hired to direct, and then fired halfway through pre-production), or the shocking cowardice and laziness in the various plot points that directly contradict or otherwise shut down the interesting and new plot elements raised by the previous two movies in the trilogy. The Rey being a Palpatine thing is especially egregious, not only in how nonsensical it is in relation to both preceding movies, but also in how fundamentally uninteresting and unnecessary it was. It actively removes an interesting character element in a super clumsly retcon that ultimately adds nothing plotwise or thematically.
Lindsay Ellis did a really good video a few months ago about the recent spate of live-action Disney remakes, and how all of them seem to be specifically engineered, in very artificial-seeming ways, to avoid getting dinged by CinemaSins and other nitpick-centric internet criticism that comes mostly from fandom. And for the first time in a Star Wars movie, I felt that here, in almost every scene. Both bending over backwards to avoid possible (stupid, meaningless) nitpicks that some asshole on the internet could've made, and also doing obnoxiously overdone fanservice, while everything else suffered. Like when they got out that medal for Chewbacca from A New Hope because 'member he didn't get one in that movie, 'member? I could feel myself die inside. Jesus christ. Just some of the worst, most indulgent fanservice you could think of.
I'm not sure if I think it's worse than the prequels. It certainly executed it's goals far more competently than any of those movies... but said goals are completely empty and hollow. The prequels might've had shitty execution, but they at least were trying to do something interesting.
I don't think I'd recommend this movie. Instead, please see Cats. Yes, seriously. It's so, so, so much worse, but it's an infinitely better theater experience.
Or maybe watching Cats just made me insane. Insane like Macavity! Make the jellicle choice! See CATS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Gennos on December 24, 2019, 11:51:00 am
I knew it was gonna be bad. there's no saving the franchise after Rian Johnson basically killed it. JJ should've handed the script duties to someone more competent but Disney were panicking after the mixed reception of TLJ and just let him do whatever he wants.
Now you'll have to endure Star Wars fanboys rationalize its flaws and make excuses for it for a while. In ten years or more we'll all look at the Sequels episodes with the same glasses that we now see the prequels with.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Jmorphman on December 24, 2019, 06:32:50 pm
TRoS's faults are very much its own. Every boneheaded decision and poor choice should be blamed solely on the people involved in the making of it, not on Rian Johnson.
Especially since TLJ rules. I legit think its either the best movie in the series, or a very close second.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Umezono on December 24, 2019, 09:29:06 pm
why did they do rose like that? disney are cowards
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Foobs on December 25, 2019, 01:25:07 am
lol
She existed exclusively to bring in the Yuans and failed at it, it shouldn't be surprise she has a much more limited role now.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Jmorphman on December 25, 2019, 04:10:51 am
I'm not sure that makes a ton of sense; hiring a random actor as a secondary lead and hoping it'll magically get China to love your movie just because said actor is of Asian descent is just not really a sound strategy, and extremely unlikely to be one Disney was pursuing. Especially since in this instance, a Chinese audience would put much more weight on the American aspect of "Asian-American" than the Asian part... plus her family is Vietnamese, not Chinese. They were just looking for unknowns, much like how much of the cast of the original movies (and TFA) were either complete unknowns or were pretty new on the scene, and Kelly Marie Tran, whose biggest role before TLJ was probably as "Teen Friend" in an episode of the Comedy Bang! Bang! TV show (a great episode, BTW).
Something similar can and does happen, though: Chinese audiences (and the "worldwide box office" in general) respond really well to big, established megastars. Frequently that's just white Hollywood actors, but Chinese movie stars sometimes get cast to try and appeal to the Chinese box office. Rogue One is a good example here, with Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, two really big Chinese stars who were brought on in the hopes of getting Star Wars successful in China (a project that as of yet has produced no results). In fact, I'm pretty sure they happily admitted that they were hoping to appeal to Chinese audiences when they announced their casting!
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on December 25, 2019, 05:27:34 am
I have nothing more to say about this shit of a movie that was The Rise of Skywalker because i already did a quick review in the "last movie watched" thread. It's another franchise that is going downhill because of stupid decisions and so many mistakes.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Prototype God on December 25, 2019, 05:59:25 am
I kind of felt empty inside after watching Rise of Skywalker, which is exactly how I felt after watching TLJ but for completely different reasons. TLJ had frustrating/dumb story beats and unsatisfying and inconsistent character arcs while ROS has way too many story beats and too many unnecessary chararcter arcs going on that either get forgotten by the movie or don't amount to much, with a lot of it being really dumb. It doesn't help that ROS didn't bother carrying over what little that TLJ set up aside from
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the weird force connection between Kylo and Rey, which is probably the stupidest yet most entertaining thing in ROS. When Rey force-gives the lightsaber to Ben and he does the shrug, it was probably the only satisfying pay off in the whole movie. If you went from Episode VII straight to IX while skipping VIII, you don't really miss out on too much aside from the force connection thing, and Luke + Snoke being irrelevant/dead. Can't say that at all about the original trilogy since you'd miss out on so much shit if you skipped the middle movie. Oh yeah and all of ROS's fights suck major ass (except the Ben VS Knights of Ren moment but it's too short to be good), while TLJ at least had some pretty fun fight scenes. Was really hoping to have a sick Rey + Ben fight scene vs palpatine, but instead it's just a "No, you" moment with Rey while Ben shows up just to get owned lmaoooooooo
It's absolutely not fair to say that TLJ was the sole cause of the latest movie's issues, but I do think that TLJ put ROS in an awkward position story wise, and it kinda shows. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to retcon forget these past two trilogies and just pretend that the OG one is the only one that exists so that I can be extra happy today.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: DNZRX768 on December 25, 2019, 06:07:35 am
It looks like Episode 9 of the Star Wars movies under-performed badly and Disney's stock has taken a hit because of the fact the franchise is collapsing. They will have to think big to get out of the few-billion dollar pit that they seem to find themselves in.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Umezono on December 25, 2019, 06:25:15 am
She existed exclusively to bring in the Yuans and failed at it, it shouldn't be surprise she has a much more limited role now.
yeah the extremely good strategy of bringing in a vietnamese woman with no big acting credits to bring in "yuans" give me a break lol
she failed insofar as she pissed off a bunch of vitriolic ppl who proceeded to harrass her over social media and disney kowtowed to it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Foobs on December 25, 2019, 07:24:06 am
I never even implied casting a random Asian was a genius strategy to get Chinese bux (it sure as hell wasn't), but if you genuinely believe the Disney overlords didn't cynically think "mo' asians in the movie = mo' asian moneys", well, then just look at how they drummed up their groundbreaking queer couple and their historical kiss.
Rose getting cucked out of both Finn and screentime has probably a lot more to do with her not being one of JJ the Jet Plane's OCs than with 30-something angry spergs buying her action figures en masse just to behead them.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Umezono on December 25, 2019, 07:31:56 am
JJ Abrams plays it extremely safe and tbh so does Lucasfilm nowadays (they have a tendency to take potshots at Rian's work specifically because of the fan outrage and what do you know, this movie was a soullessly produced pander/nostalgia fest for the older fans), plus they went so far as removing KMT from promotional material. TBH even finn was very sidelined, but what they did to Rose feels more than just JJ not being invested in her. I don't doubt much of this is Disney's own cynical financial strategy and Lucasfilm's inability to stand by the work of their filmmakers but the fan outrage is a major component of that. I think its a big part of the reason ROS is what it is.
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Dumanios on December 25, 2019, 08:51:07 am
Saw Rise of Skywalker on Monday.
Palpatine completely stole the show, which is nice because he's 2/3s the reason I went to see the movie.
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Sure wish Finn being Force Sensitive mattered. Or Hux being a traitor mattered. Or Rose getting to do things at all.
I did like the final confrontation between Rey and Palps but it could've been better, so I guess it's more I like the concept?
Title: Re: Star Wars Thread: The Rise of running out of witty titles
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 26, 2019, 04:29:26 pm
yeah the extremely good strategy of bringing in a vietnamese woman with no big acting credits to bring in "yuans" give me a break lol
It reminds of how mixing all asians as chinese just pisses off asians in the same way that saying all latins are mexicans pisses off latins;
I like this harry potter version of the star wars sequels. ( just one paragraph )
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I mean look at it like this — What if Disney decided to do more “Harry Potter” movies. Harry is a washed up nobody. Ron and Hermione's son has joined a Deatheater cult, and our main character has no real backstory but is super strong without ever even attending Hogwarts and has to kill Lord Voldemort who never really died in the first place. You think Harry Potter fans would be happy with that?
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Post by: Byakko on December 26, 2019, 07:12:14 pm
Except
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that new character is Voldemort's granddaughter
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 26, 2019, 10:20:47 pm
At least in that case
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it's more palatable that Voldy knocked up Beatrix or whoever than some woman having to endure Sheev's shriveled up mumm-rod
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Post by: lui on December 27, 2019, 12:37:37 am
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I remember reading a comic in the new canon that HEAVILY impies that Sidious literally orchestrated Anakin being born from Shmi via some Force buffoonary so it can be assumed the same happened here with his son
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 27, 2019, 01:02:42 am
And did Palpy
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just drain him of force juice because otherwise it stands to reason that he should be exactly as strong as Anakin in raw Force power
So either Sheev never trained him, which is legitimate but idiotic if his plan is a young body to take
He sucked out all his force juice which of course begs the question what the plan even means
The force power skipped a generation which didn't happen the other time
Or Sheev whipped out his murky jerky on some poor woman and ended up with a natural born failure
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Post by: lui on December 27, 2019, 01:11:08 am
Palpy
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just did it.
*ba dum tiss*
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Post by: Yuko on December 30, 2019, 09:29:17 pm
Oooook, I just saw the movie. Have to say I was expecting way worse (kept remembering all the bad comments and how some said it was the worst in the franchise), well, I enjoyed some parts, not so much other parts, it was fine for me.
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It's just too much information given in a short 2 hours movie. I didn't like the 2 plot twists to be honest (Hux spy and Rey Palpatine). I mean, they could have worked more on Rey Palp in the previous movie and explore it more in this one. It would have been way better. On the other hand, this movie fixed many things I didn't like in TLJ, some said it wasn't necessary to "fix" them but I'm glad they did, Luke is finally what we wanted to see from the beginning, Leia died for a good reason and not in vain like they almost did in TLJ, and showed that she DID train with Luke for some time, something that I always wanted to see, Finn is finally important to the plot, Poe... well, that backstory wasn't that great, but at least he is the badass pilot from ep7 again. Hux motivations were very "meh"... he was cool in 7, but they fucked him up in 8 and 9.
I did enjoy the battle between Rey and Kylo, very emotional and very climatic. The best battle of this new trilogy in my opinion. The final battle between Rey and Palp could have been better though, as I said, it looked too rushed, Palp died too soon.
I think that's it... oh, and I LIKED the kiss, judge me.
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 31, 2019, 04:55:05 am
It looks like Episode 9 of the Star Wars movies under-performed badly and Disney's stock has taken a hit because of the fact the franchise is collapsing. They will have to think big to get out of the few-billion dollar pit that they seem to find themselves in.
That seems... pretty unfounded, to say the least. It's already hit $725 million, and is expected to easily reach $1 billion at the very least. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-rise-skywalker-rides-725m-globally-cats-goes-dogs-1265118)
Disney's stock took a (brief) hit because it's very clear that, while the movie's gonna be a success and turn a profit, it'll make nowhere near as much as it "should". The big final conclusion of the mainline Star Wars movies should be an easy slam dunk, it should be breaking box office records left and right, not struggle so much. It's by far the worst reviewed Star Wars movie that Disney's made, it's got the worst CinemaScore of any Star Wars movie (https://screencrush.com/rise-of-skywalker-cinemascore/), and it'll probably peter out and fail to exceed The Last Jedi's gross, despite being the super hyped up grand finale to end all finales.
I think even the dumbest studio execs would recognize there's still a problem here, and hopefully Lucasfilms gets their shit together. Maybe Star Wars isn't a thing that can handle biennial movie releases. Maybe they should stop firing directors halfway through pre-production (or worse, during the actual filming). Maybe they should try and actually develop a plan of some sort, instead of trying to wing everything like George Lucas did for the original trilogy.
Or maybe they're just gonna take a look at how Mandalorian seems to be fairly universally enjoyed and they'll just desperately chase whatever trend is behind that. :pwn:
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Post by: lui on December 31, 2019, 04:57:43 am
Or maybe they're just gonna take a look at how Mandalorian seems to be fairly universally enjoyed and they'll just desperately chase whatever trend is behind that. :pwn:
ah great, now we're gonna have a movie about boba fett taking care of a stray porg.
you heard it here folks!
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Post by: Yuko on December 31, 2019, 05:12:02 am
Wasn't a Boba movie being produced a while ago? What happened? Also, Obi-Wan movie when?
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 31, 2019, 05:21:33 am
The Boba Fett movie got canned because I think Solo underperformed? That was supposed to kick off a bunch of (excuse the pun) solo-lead movies, including a Boba Fett and Obi Wan movies.
The Obi Wan movie got reworked into a TV show that's currently in development, with some of the staff (notably one of the directors) from the Mandalorian running things. Maybe the Mandalorian itself obviates the need for a Boba Fett movie or TV show? Because fuck Boba Fett, that overhyped loser should stay dead!
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Post by: Speedpreacher on December 31, 2019, 05:39:35 am
Or maybe they're just gonna take a look at how Mandalorian seems to be fairly universally enjoyed and they'll just desperately chase whatever trend is behind that. :pwn:
Well the secret to the Mandalorian's success imo is the scaled down storytelling and character work that's a necessity of working on TV
The worst episodes both in mine and what seems to be the prevailing critical opinion are the episodes that lean too far into "YOU KNOW THIS THING THIS IS THE THING"
So of course the answer is to make it a movie and throw lots of money at it and have Mando taking on 50 TIE fighters in his spaceship
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Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on December 31, 2019, 05:49:04 am
That seems... pretty unfounded, to say the least. It's already hit $725 million, and is expected to easily reach $1 billion at the very least. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-rise-skywalker-rides-725m-globally-cats-goes-dogs-1265118)
W-what? How they get over $700 million that fast?
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Post by: Jmorphman on December 31, 2019, 07:22:37 am
People like Star Wars!
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Post by: Byakko on December 31, 2019, 12:14:58 pm
Because fuck Boba Fett, that overhyped loser should stay dead!
Got bad news for you The Mandalorian had a scene that hints he's coming back. Probably in s2.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on December 31, 2019, 04:08:06 pm
IIRc, the original idea with the non core movies ( han solo, etc..) was to have cheaper movies being produced so they could tkae longer to develop the core movies, but apparently solo and the previous movie went way over budget for that idea to work. It looks like the mandalorian (or tv series in general ) will fill that niche instead.
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Post by: Yuko on January 01, 2020, 10:14:56 pm
Yeah, as Jman said, it's more because of the franchise itself, it's easy to make money when you own the rights of a big franchise like SW.
Have not touched The Mandalorian yet, so here I go. :P
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Post by: Long John Killer on January 06, 2020, 03:26:58 am
Saw the movie. S'alright.
...And that's about it. Which is an issue when you're something as big as Star Wars. Mediocre doesn't cut it. It was quite the enjoyable 2 and a half hour episode of The Clone Wars. But not as good as a movie should be. I mean, I enjoyed it better than The Last Jedi, and I didn't hate that film either, but beyond Rey and Ben there wasn't much to the new characters to care about. I'm surprised people even miss Rose, she was just a bleeding heart from what I recall on Last Jedi.
C-3PO was particularly enjoyable being around the main crew this time, though. Which however also highlighted the oddity that R2D2 wasn't also with him this time around.
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The ending "fight" between Rey and Palpatine was clearly an anime's arc ending, and since realizing it's just left me and my friend discussing it laughing. The whole force ghosts coming down to Rey to help her push back the lighting at Palpatine was basically Goku's ghost helping Gohan defeat Cell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WaiRulyoY) or Sailor Moon's dead friends lending hands to destroy Queen Metalia (https://youtu.be/9CrmKCqEYOQ?t=223).
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Post by: Byakko on January 06, 2020, 03:50:14 am
I'm surprised people even miss Rose, she was just a bleeding heart from what I recall on Last Jedi.
She wasn't popular but that was more about the total lack of coherence and cohesion in the overall trilogy. But that's entirely Disney's fault, since it has come out (on Reddit) that JJ's cut did try to make sense of most of it, not only Kylo but even Rose kinda worked out as well as they possibly could, but Disney came at it with a chainsaw (and Rose was left with under a minute of screen time). I'll just wait for that JJ cut to be leaked (not that Disney will ever let it see the light of day willingly).
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Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on January 06, 2020, 05:01:04 am
Yeah, as Jman said, it's more because of the franchise itself, it's easy to make money when you own the rights of a big franchise like SW.
Well, yeah. Pretty much that. It's sad that people still on the "hype" because "yeah, it's Star Wars" instead of watch carefully the movie and see the amount of plot holes, bad dialogues and a ridiculous conclusion for this trilogy. I'm a huge Star Wars fan and like many others around i was really disappointed with this crap of a movie that it's for me even worse than The Phantom Menace (yeah, hard for me to say that).
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Post by: Yuko on January 06, 2020, 05:21:19 am
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Well, now that you mentioned it... I LIKE The Phantom Menace. Sure has its flaws (JarJar, CGI that hasn't age well, and a few more things), but is still pretty enjoyable. At least it's a movie that makes sense and tells a tory. Now, The Last Jedi? If you skip it and jump straight from 7 to 9, you won't miss anything besides Snoke's and Luke's deaths.
That's why I say 9 was too much information for a short 2 and a half hour movie, they should have done this in 8, Rey's training, Knights of Ren, Rey's parents, Snoke's origin, instead they lost an entire movie with.... Luke being a coward, Rose and Finn going to a casino planet for nothing, and.... Snoke's death was meaningless.
Still think JJ shold have directed the whole trilogy, I think while it wouldn't be as good as the original or the prequels, it would be less worse than it came.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2020, 06:16:01 am
As much as I fucking hated TRoS, I feel like it basically accomplished its goals. Sure, those goals were horribly cynical and desperately seeking to be as obnoxiously fan service-y as possible, but it was able to do all that while also more or less presenting a coherent story in which characters have arcs and shit (the story was shit and the arcs were either near nonexistant or just fucking stupid, but they still exist!).
The same can't really be said of the prequels, even though the ideas it was trying to explore were way more interesting than what TRoS decided the sequel trilogy was actually about. The execution of the prequels is just so bad, on so many levels, from the awful writing, to the poor acting, the list goes on. But then again, I feel like both TFA and TLJ were able to have interesting ideas and execute them well, which in a way makes it worse that TRoS took such a huge dump on them both. At least with the prequels, they were all shit, so by the time Revenge of the Sith rolled around it wasn't as bad. There was no high expectations or anything... :(
But that's entirely Disney's fault, since it has come out (on Reddit) that JJ's cut did try to make sense of most of it, not only Kylo but even Rose kinda worked out as well as they possibly could, but Disney came at it with a chainsaw (and Rose was left with under a minute of screen time). I'll just wait for that JJ cut to be leaked (not that Disney will ever let it see the light of day willingly).
I've been reading up on this over the weekend and it seems to be 100% made up. The cut scenes the "leak" purports make little to no sense, and the explanations of why the changes were made make even less sense. Like, one of the big things that was apparently cut was a big group scene of a bunch of Force ghosts helping Rey defeat Palpatine or whatever, and that got axed because... uh... *gestures vaguely* CHINA.
Which just doesn't hold water. Not only had every plot detail in the movie had been leaked months beforehand, but additionally, all the various dropped plot points and scenes were cut also leaked in the same post—specifically, there was a leaker on Reddit 2 months ago who posted a plot summary of the movie as it was being finalized, with numerous changes and crossed out sections (of note, there was a really big emphasis on Rey and Kylo being a "force dyad" and that harnessing the power of the dyad was Palpatine's ultimate goal, which was all completely dropped; other dropped plots included that ex-stormtrooper lady they meet near the Death Star II ruins was gonna be Lando's daughter, but they completely cut out every single scene leading up to that revelation, leaving only the final scene where Lando says he'll help her find her family). And in that fairly exhaustive leak, there was no word about a secret force ghost scene. And certainly, getting a bunch of big name actors like Samuel L. Jackson et. al. to shoot a force ghost scene would've been leaked by now by more reputable sources, but it hasn't.
And of course, to blame the cut on China is just insane. Setting aside the fact that "China doesn't allow movies with ghosts!" is a flawed and not really accurate understanding of how things work with China's censorship policies; in the actual fucking movie that got released, there are multiple force ghosts! For sustained scenes! There's a whole goddamn scene with ghost Luke! And that shit remained in the version that Chinese audiences saw! There's no way a scene with a bunch of ghosts got cut in every version released in the world because of China.
As for the non-ghost changes, the dumb Reddit guy comes up with an elaborate conspiracy that Disney intentionally sabotaged the movie and made it less good to spite J.J. Abrams (because his production company got bought by Warner Bros recently), which is just... insane and impossible to believe. This movie is gonna make Disney unfathomable amounts of money, they wouldn't purposefully try and ruin it out of some stupid vendetta, not when there's money to be made. Like shit, of course Disney is a giant evil corporation, but they're not that stupid.
The leak has already been refuted by a lot of industry people; it's just not at all believable. Unfortunately, there's a growing cult of people who believe in it full-throatedly, and it's already giving off the same kind of vibes as the Snyder cut people. So that means things are only gonna get worse. :pwn:
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Post by: Foobs on January 07, 2020, 01:57:36 am
Besides all the logical holes in the narrative, expecting the fabled "JJ cut" to fix all the problems RoS had is like expecting a serial arsonist to put out the fires in Australia.
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Post by: Dr. Sin on January 10, 2020, 05:13:45 pm
Well, yeah. Pretty much that. It's sad that people still on the "hype" because "yeah, it's Star Wars"
Yeah, it sure is sad that there are some people who actually enjoy the things we don't like, how dare they. Am I right...?
:(
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Post by: Speedpreacher on January 10, 2020, 05:24:10 pm
Feel free to actually give your thoughts on the movie if you're truly interested in countering the negativity
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Post by: Yuko on January 11, 2020, 06:40:48 am
I see the point of people who like and didn't like it, For me it wasn't bad, instead I'd say it was disappointing. From the time Disney put their hands on the franchise, I though it was going to be an awesome trilogy. They started not so bad with The Force Awakens, even though I didn't like the "copy-paste from A New Hope" feeling, I was intrigued to know what was going to happen next. But then... pffft. As I said, disappointing... This is all my opinion though, you're free to like whatever you want. My brother liked The Last Jedi when we saw it in the theaters, even I was "eh, it's ok...". People don't like TPM and I like it. People don't like much ROTJ (EWOKS, I know), but like it.
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Post by: Thedge on January 13, 2020, 11:18:20 pm
Even when it has its faults, Rogue One is the best SW movie ever. There.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2020, 01:21:45 am
My brother liked The Last Jedi when we saw it in the theaters,
I keep on reading that people who are not invested in star wars like the last jedi.
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Post by: Jmorphman on January 15, 2020, 06:05:31 am
There's a purported leaked script of the Colin Trevorrow episode 9 going around. (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/eoaxdn/robert_meyer_burnett_reviews_an_early_draft_of/) It's pretty vague and not quite clear on what actually happens in the ending, but overall sounds way more thought out than what actually got filmed.
... but as far as I can tell, the script isn't actually available to read, all the info is coming from a YouTuber breaking down what's in the script. Which uh, certainly raises some credibility questions.
People don't like much ROTJ (EWOKS, I know), but like it.
people who get mad at Ewoks and/or hate Return of the Jedi because the Ewoks should've been Wookies or whatever are some of the lamest Star Wars fans. Ewoks rule.
People don't like much ROTJ (EWOKS, I know), but like it.
people who get mad at Ewoks and/or hate Return of the Jedi because the Ewoks should've been Wookies or whatever are some of the lamest Star Wars fans. Ewoks rule.
Funny thing, my first contact with star wars, being an 80s kid was the ewoks tv series; So I had the opossite reaction when I watched ROTJ.
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Post by: Byakko on November 13, 2020, 06:56:32 pm
Okay, so the Mandalorian is doing well
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we get live action Clone wars / Rebels characters (no Sabine / Ezra yet), an arc about Bo Katan chasing after the Dark Saber while Din fucks off on his own, Boba Fett at the end of last the first episode, with a confirmed mini-series on Boba Fett between Mando S2 and S3.
Force electrocution suicide pill lol
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Post by: Speedpreacher on November 14, 2020, 04:15:04 am
Is it confirmed that
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Temura Morrison at the end there is Boba Fett and not a clone trooper
I would rather leave it at the armor and just be done with the whole thing
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Post by: Byakko on November 14, 2020, 04:31:51 am
It's reported that
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Boba Fett is getting a mini series filming as soon as this end of year https://deadline.com/2020/11/the-mandalorian-season-3-production-start-date-spinoff-casting-disney-plus-sophie-thatcher-1234609860/ He's not in the credits but apparently everyone is taking the existence of the series as basically confirmed. I mean, it's a rumor, but if everyone thinks it's as close as starting filming within the next couple of months...
Then again, WandaVision just showed us what Disney means by "end of 2020" (mid January 2021 is still "end of 2020" right guys ?) so who knows :P
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Post by: Byakko on June 22, 2022, 02:16:23 pm
Kenobi finale
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I was really expecting Reva to die of her wound after giving up the Dark Side.The Grand Inquisitor just said "revenge does wonders for the will to live", so I was expecting that the Dark side makes you stay alive while fucking you up, but the Light side makes you die and allows you to become a Force ghost if you're skilled enough. Not to say I wanted her to be a Force ghost, but it would have excused Qui Gon being the only one to die from a lightsaber to the guts, you know ?
Then again if she had died, she wouldn't be able to return for a season 2 that anyone can expect, anytime now. Ewan said he was willing to stick around for as long as he could, and while I don't think Vader should keep coming back just to get punked like a bitch (he can be around as long as he doesn't fight Kenobi, just do Empire stuff), as long as Kenobi doesn't have to hop across the galaxy all the time, it should be easy to get more insight on escaped jedis - as long as it still shows that Luke is in fact the last real one to actually become a Jedi, because everyone else gave up and just wanted to live normally or something. You can have a parallel between Kenobi and Vader like that, too.
Actually it'd be nice if S2 Reva could give more insight on the Force and what the Dark and Light sides do to a motherfucker. Her name is supposed to be a call back to Darth Revan, so just go full in on it. And also, they really embraced the memes. Fortunately they didn't overdo it, but it really wasn't subtle at all.
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Post by: lui on June 23, 2022, 09:57:45 am
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considering that Darth Vader himself AND Darth Maul survived being mutilated horrifically by sheer willpower and rage towards Obi-Wan, Reva surviving a stab after Grand Inquisitor basically tells her that he was literally too angry to die isn't that big of a stretch.
It's not like the stab wound had no consequence, girl was barely able to fight two farmers afterwards.
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Post by: Byakko on June 23, 2022, 10:40:15 am
Yeah, I'm saying I expected that effect to end when she gave that up. To validate the one time it didn't happen.
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Post by: lui on June 23, 2022, 10:51:57 am
with that being said
as someone who really liked the show, despite alot of goofy shit
I really don't want a season 2
please please please just leave it, it's a good ending, gives pretty good closure for the prequel trilogy and does not need a follow-up.
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Post by: Yuko on June 24, 2022, 01:34:41 am
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Yeah, the goofy moments were a little distracting, mainly those people chasing a 10yo Leia and not being able to catch her right away, and the fights with Tala. However, they got the emotional parts right. Episode 5 was wonderful, loved seeing Hayden as Anakin again. The two duels between Vader and Kenobi were also really good. Glad that they are trying to tie things with the OT with some dialogues (Kenobi calling Vader "Darth", Leia pretending not to know Obi-Wan, and so on). I also liked Reva's character, I saw that the actress got bullied online (no news, SW "fans" are infamous for this), I hope she is doing ok and I loved her performance. I hope they do something with her character in the future.
I just wish the serie would be longer, with more episodes, and less goofy fights/chasing scenes. 8/10 for me.