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Title: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 05, 2011, 10:00:42 AM
I read Crisis on Infinite Earths (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths) (1985) a few months ago and today I decided to read Infinite Crisis. Prior to reading I.C. I was under the impression that C.o.I.E. destroyed the multiverse, rendering almost everything prior to it no longer valid and that I.C. made those events valid again and also brought a new multiverse.
For the past weeks, I've been heavily thinking about this, since everything pre-crisis is labeled as possibly canonical, and DC only says that some things happened, and some things didn't, but never specified 'everything' that happened and didn't happen.
After reading I found that Infinite Crisis didn't 'officially' bring back the multiverse, however it lead me to another thought.

Everything before C.o.I.E. happened in their own universes until the Crisis. Alexander Luthor (Earth-Three), Lois Lane (Earth-Two), Superboy (Earth-Prime), and Superman (Earth-Two) (and Psycho Pirate, whom was actually in the new universe) were completely unaffected after the crisis. Everyone that died, simply ceased to exist. Everyone else from the remaining five universes was brainwashed (like Power-Girl) into having memories of the new universe's story or, like almost everyone else, was erased from existence and replaced by people that fit in the new universe of shared histories. Everything prior to C.o.I.E. (that originally happened in separate universes) was either altered to fit the new universe's history or it never happened at all.

Now am I correct in assuming this? Also if the above is true, then in the new universe, did the crisis that created this universe ever even occur or is it no longer true, like the people that were erased from existence that tried to prevent this from happening in the first place.

I use the The Unauthorized Chronology of the DC Universe (http://dcu.smartmemes.com/DCTL_4_TL.html#Yr11), DC Wikia (http://dc.wikia.com), and the few comics that I read to help me understand their universe, but since DC has never re-specified everything, and a lot of things contradict each other, I'm left to only assumptions.

So, tell me your thoughts on this. (P.S. if you're like I was at first, and you have no idea what I'm talking about, the official comics have nothing to do with what you see on TV, except for the fact that the TV shows are based on some stuff from the comics.)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 05, 2011, 11:00:19 AM
sigh, before I read CoIE I read crisis on multiple earths.

okay here's a few things for thought. after CoIE there was one earth but it was an amalgam of the other worlds
it contained cities from the other worlds too. yeah the ones who died were erased but they were all brought back during the first part of IC but there was an accident or something and they ended up with 52 different earths that resemble the earths from before CoIE.
The characters you talked about entered another dimension at the end of CoIE keeping them from being erased but they were still able to watch what happened on the new earth

The second things you should do is ignore Final crisis for a second. I'll get to that later.

Now considering that in CoIE there was a mater and antimatter universe which balanced each other then there could have also been an antimatter universe after CoIE during the single earth period.

During this time there was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_Earth_2
It might not be true canon but by all logic it should be. I think is is classified as an ElseWorld story due to the new Ultraman not being the same guy after IC.

Now back to Final Crisis. If you are looking at the current DC you are looking at things after FC. It's not a total recon like the first two but I think DC is having some issues after IC and their continuity. I think FC is an attempt to straighten out some problem but It may have made things more confusing.


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 05, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
 :???: I didn't say anything about Final Crisis, nor did I say I didn't understand what happened in C.o.I.E..... I also didn't ask about that other completely unrelated stuff  o_O.

1. Heroes just did things without any concern for continuity/chronology.
2. Heroes were chronologized (sorta) and placed in different earths. (1961, Flash vol.1 123)
3. The multiverse was smashed into New-Earth. (Crisis on Infinite Earths)
4. New Earth was split into a multiverse again, then pressed back into New Earth (Infinite Crisis)
5. New Earth spit out extra energy into forming 52 identical Earths resembling Earths of the Pre-Crisis multiverse (trinity/52, one of them, I'm not sure)
6. Final Crisis, Darkseid and Batman kill each other (that's the only notable thing I know about it. It doesn't fit any where of relevance with the other Crises, aside from me hearing that Darkseid went back in time before Infinite Crisis and started this Crisis)

JLA: Earth-2 is exactly that, the JLA of Earth-2 (not to be confused with the Earth-Two of the golden age pre-crisis multiverse, which this universe is based upon.)

I haven't read Final Crisis, and read the synopsis that I read at wikia, it doesn't seem to really fix anything (though I only read brief parts, because I hate reading).

Anyway, I only asked about how C.o.I.E. affected the stories that happened before it  o_O.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on June 05, 2011, 01:00:12 PM
All this crap is the reason why I dont read Marvel or DC comics at all. I only read 2, the first 2 comics from fear itself and ultimate hulk vs wolverine.

Well, I'll go back to the X Men anime or something like that :/
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 05, 2011, 01:27:43 PM
uh huh -_-....yeah well I'm getting into marvel/dc comics because of one thing really... the differences between media and the actual stories (the comics). Up until my roommate a Job Core told about Old man Logan, (it's an alternate future, but my roommate was telling it was his actual future) I thought wolverine was just an angry guy with claws. Then he told me how (when he was seeing illusions) he ripped out sabretooth's guts and a bunch of other supervillains but then he found out that it was the x-men that he was fighting. I thought he was making it up, but then he told me that kind of thing happens from time to time in comics and the reason I never saw it on tv is because the television shows are toned down to be more kid friendly to sell better  o_O. So that meant that there was a lot more violence, and less of those hella lame 'everyone always walk away unharmed, and the villain goes to jail' situations that always happen in the cartoons and movies.

The problems began when I found out about each one's parallel realities that don't matter at all the the mainstream continuity plus all the comics (I hate to read, especially if the pictures aren't good). And that's why I'm trying to figure out what actually still matters in the DC Universe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 05, 2011, 07:09:50 PM
All this crap is the reason why I dont read Marvel or DC comics at all. I only read 2, the first 2 comics from fear itself and ultimate hulk vs wolverine.

Well, I'll go back to the X Men anime or something like that :/

hi 5
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: psychoripper on June 06, 2011, 12:42:13 AM
Dc has some really good stuff im not guna lie. They have some enat series as well as some good graphic novels. Anyone ever read the killing joke?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 06, 2011, 01:02:11 AM
*neat*

No, I haven't read it, and that's completely off-topic  :(.
I'm not talking about comic books or what's related to DC Comics. I'm talking about the continuity, story, and after effects of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

I HATE comic books. Why? Because I hate reading. I love the stories (and the more realistic situations the comics provide over their media counterparts), but I don't want to suffer through over 2,000 books, just to find out that 60% of them never even happened  o_O.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 06, 2011, 03:09:07 AM
Then don't read anything besides Green Lantern and Batman, because they're about to do it again and those are the only books that are ever mostly unaffected by this sort of thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 06, 2011, 04:08:43 AM
1. Heroes just did things without any concern for continuity/chronology.
2. Heroes were chronologized (sorta) and placed in different earths. (1961, Flash vol.1 123)

okay lets me try and get this straight.
there always was a multiverse before CoIE. Ignore what's said in the book about the guy looking at the beganing of the universe and creating the multiverse. It's only apart of the story and doesn't effect the chronology of the DCU.

To fully understand you need to get a hold of "crisis on multiple earths" find it a a library or something. everything in  CoIE will be clear after reading it. you seem a bit confused about what really went on in that story.

3. The multiverse was smashed into New-Earth. (Crisis on Infinite Earths)
Right

4. New Earth was split into a multiverse again, then pressed back into New Earth (Infinite Crisis)
5. New Earth spit out extra energy into forming 52 identical Earths resembling Earths of the Pre-Crisis multiverse (trinity/52, one of them, I'm not sure)
the multiverse from pre- CoIE reappeared shortly but ended up becoming 52 new earths similar to the old multiverse. This is where continuity problems show up because DC wanted to redo and edit some things that happened to some of their characters. DC though that the old earth after CoIE was to dark.
they failed to curb the darkness.
resulting in Final Crisis. the prelude to final crisis is what I read. I like it better but because DC is starting to have some serious issues it is considered non-canon batman doesn't kill Darkseid in this story and it makes a whole lot more sense to me.

JLA: Earth-2 has a lot more weight behind it when you realize that DC had abandoned the antimater universe after CoIE. However this comic proves that it's not really gone. And in truth is still around even after IC.
you won't understand the antimatter stuff untill you read crisis on multiple earths. However it's really irreverent
for the larger part of the DCU.
DC is chaotic right now as they try and straighten out their chronology.

I thought wolverine was just an angry guy with claws. Then he told me how (when he was seeing illusions) he ripped out sabretooth's guts and a bunch of other supervillains but then he found out that it was the x-men that he was fighting

Don't get me started on him and the evolution on weapon X. I've come to the conclusion that X-23's origin came out before they started tampering with wolverine's. Here's something you should know.
Marvel didn't have an origin for who wolverines parents were untill recently. In the graphic novel they say they are pleased with the story because it doesn't ruin the mystery about him. Cut to now  :noo:
The weapon X part of his story has 3 literations

1) The story from the early 90's late 80's. This is reflected in the 90's x-men cartoon. It's also what I think the set up for X-23's origin came from

2) sometime after 2000 when weapon X was made weapon 10 and became apart of weapon plus starting with Caption America (weapon 0)

3) sometime after the first book of wolverines origion came out they changed weapon's plus to make weapon 10 a rogue division. Screwed with the details of sabertooth's involvement. Introduced Romulus and said that he sabertooth and wolverine evolved from wolves.

At that point I stopped reading X-men comics and marvel comics in general.


 
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 06, 2011, 04:42:25 AM
@Speedpreecher
 --; that's not helping. I've read hundreds of synopsizes, less than 50 comics, and I those two are affected just like everything else -_-. Superman and Wonder Woman were the only ones that were completely affected by the crisis.

And you're clearly talking about Flashpoint (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=129752.0).....After reading some more of DC's blogs, I've come to one of five conclusions of the aftermath of Flashpoint:
1. DC will reboot the entire universe, but (unlike CoIE) they're going to the very beginning of the super heroes (and not just continue after the event).
2. It's just going to be another major event that changes only a few things (like Zero Hour)
3. They're going to make another universe for the new series, while not affecting the current continuity.
4. They're going to do a bunch of one-shots and mini series for the flashpoint series.
or
5. They're just going to give all the series another Volume, continuing from the previous series.

@Riptide
What the hell are you talking about o_O???

1. Crisis on multiple earths merely established links with alternate earths in special events (which back in that time was just a good way to get sales).
2. Stop assuming I'm talking about anything aside from what I specifically say.
3. STOP ASSUMING I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T SAY.

Now, all of the Justice League of America issues for the Crisis on Multiple Earths are events that never happened in the Post-Crisis/New Earth. They happened in the DC Universe, but not the continuity that matters anymore.

I'm well aware of what happened IN CRISIS. I'm not aware of what CoIE made non-canon.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 06, 2011, 05:46:05 AM
I read Crisis on Infinite Earths (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths) (1985) a few months ago and today I decided to read Infinite Crisis. Prior to reading I.C. I was under the impression that C.o.I.E. destroyed the multiverse, rendering almost everything prior to it no longer valid and that I.C. made those events valid again and also brought a new multiverse.
It didn't. COIE basically kept everything that didn't directly contradict anything new that was coming out then, like there not being a Supergirl because Superman was the only survivor of Krypton, so any Supergirl stories either didn't happen or someone else took her place. Sometimes they retold certain stories like, say, the JLA's first meeting with the JSA, to get rid of the parts about the different universes and make it take place on the same Earth. So basically, any story that really, really couldn't fit at all into the post-Crisis universe was discarded. Everything else was assumed to have taken place, with some modifications if needed.

Infinite Crisis DID NOT make those events valid again; instead it just made some things canon and other things not canon. Also, it brought back the multiverse.

Everything before C.o.I.E. happened in their own universes until the Crisis. Alexander Luthor (Earth-Three), Lois Lane (Earth-Two), Superboy (Earth-Prime), and Superman (Earth-Two) (and Psycho Pirate, whom was actually in the new universe) were completely unaffected after the crisis. Everyone that died, simply ceased to exist. Everyone else from the remaining five universes was brainwashed (like Power-Girl) into having memories of the new universe's story or, like almost everyone else, was erased from existence and replaced by people that fit in the new universe of shared histories. Everything prior to C.o.I.E. (that originally happened in separate universes) was either altered to fit the new universe's history or it never happened at all.

Now am I correct in assuming this? Also if the above is true, then in the new universe, did the crisis that created this universe ever even occur or is it no longer true, like the people that were erased from existence that tried to prevent this from happening in the first place.
Pretty much, but brainwashed isn't really the right word. They simply forgot about the previous universe and had their memories replaced with those of the new, single universe. Everyone remembered that a Crisis with the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor happened, but they remembered it as only happening in the one and only universe, without having any participation from Supergirl or anyone else who was retconned out.

Now considering that in CoIE there was a mater and antimatter universe which balanced each other then there could have also been an antimatter universe after CoIE during the single earth period.

During this time there was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_Earth_2
It might not be true canon but by all logic it should be. I think is is classified as an ElseWorld story due to the new Ultraman not being the same guy after IC.
JLA: Earth 2 is still canon. There are actually TWO Ultramen. One is from the antimatter universe as depicted in JLA: Earth 2. The other is from the post-IC Earth-Three. The latter is not a member of an evil Justice League, but an evil Justice SOCIETY. Basically, post-IC Earth-Three is the evil version of Earth-Two (the one with golden age Superman and the Justice Society). Grant Morrison said they even teamed up much like the way the JLA and JSA teamed up pre-Crisis.

Now back to Final Crisis. If you are looking at the current DC you are looking at things after FC. It's not a total recon like the first two but I think DC is having some issues after IC and their continuity. I think FC is an attempt to straighten out some problem but It may have made things more confusing.
Final Crisis was actually never designed to fix any continuity problems, nor did it make any changes to continuity.

5. New Earth spit out extra energy into forming 52 identical Earths resembling Earths of the Pre-Crisis multiverse (trinity/52, one of them, I'm not sure)
At the end of Infinite Crisis, there were 52 identical universes. In 52 (the series) a fully grown Mr. Mind finished gestating into a "hyperfly"; he no longer fed on brainwaves but on space-time itself. He traveled through all 52 universes, eating some of their history as he went, making them each unique.


6. Final Crisis, Darkseid and Batman kill each other (that's the only notable thing I know about it. It doesn't fit any where of relevance with the other Crises, aside from me hearing that Darkseid went back in time before Infinite Crisis and started this Crisis)
Actually a lot of notable things happen

Now, all of the Justice League of America issues for the Crisis on Multiple Earths are events that never happened in the Post-Crisis/New Earth. They happened in the DC Universe, but not the continuity that matters anymore.
No, they still did, as I said before. It's just that all the stuff about the alternate universes didn't, because the JSA and the JLA are on the same Earth now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 06, 2011, 06:18:24 AM
there seem to not really be any confusion. I mean only stories about the wiped out characters were removed after CoIE.

the evens in IC kinda tell you what wasn't canon after CoIE. I'm sorry maybe you didn't read the tie-ins, I think they showed more of what was erased. this is why I kept assuming you didn't know everything that happened in IC.


hum.. thank you Amuromorphman for clearing up JLA: Earth 2. I had a lot of problems trying to decide if it was truly canon.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 06, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Basically, after Final Crisis happened, it no longer matters  :shifty:.
Spoiler: a bunch of text (click to see content)

Now getting back to what I started this topic about in the first place  o_O.

What are your thoughts about Crisis on Infinite Earths and it's effects on the DC Universe's pre-crisis and post-crisis continuities. (and don't get off topic talking bout the other unrelated crises, events, and other comic companies, like Final Crisis and your issues with Marvel and DC and how you like other companies better)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 06, 2011, 09:01:20 AM
if you want to know about the character keep reading the wikis
if you want to know more you will have to read. there are no short cuts in the matter. if you kept reading comics you would get the feel for what is and is not canon after each crisis. It's not definitive even DC doesn't know everything that is and is not canon especially after IC.

in general I have no idea why you are looking to find out what's not canon after CoIE. because you shouldn't have to read those stories to understand the movies.
just read a few JLA and & JL comics or graphic novels after CoIE to get an understanding. DC is not where your issues lie if you are worried about differenced between the comics and the movies.

Marvel is a whole lot worse about not sticking to canon to the point where I don't think you should pursue trying to find the truth about their comics if you don't want to read.

I'm only talking about marvel because you brought it up and you mentioned what you didn't know about wolverine. I'm sorry for going off on Marvel but continuity wise you are going to have more problems with them.
Both companies are having a continuity/recon/reboot Crisis
Call it CRRC  :wall:


Okay if you want to know where you should read for both companies just for general knowledge. I'd say read from 89 - to IC  for DC comics and you should check out some of the bigger stories and crossovers you find.

Marvel from the 80-2000. around the time that ultimate marvel came out I noticed some changes in marvels regular titles mainly the X-men. There was no crisis during this time but marvel started messing with some of their comics. That kept progressing into complete rewrites of some characters origins or powers.
I'm going to say what you find in the marvel movies that is canon to the comics is based on things pre-2000.
stuff that happen in marvel comics in the past  years I wouldn't read unless you want to do some dinging into there history.

Because you have Secret Wars which came out around the same time as CoIE. And Civil War that came out around IC. These aren't continuity busters but they add to the confusion for a new comer.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 06, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
I'm not asking what 'all' is still canon  ::). That'd be pretty helpful, but I'm not expecting it. I'm asking for other's thoughts on how much CoIE destroyed and altered. I don't know.... my brain just gets really strained when anomalies and time contradictions are placed, but never completely re-explained.
Spoiler: Off Topic Harry Potter Crap (click to see content)

Nah, Marvel needs to starts in 1962 with Fantastic Four. The problem with Marvel however is there are far too many reprints, and all the comics are canon. If it's no longer canon, it's because it's actually a retcon (which is new information not mentioned in earlier comics, there by making it appear to be a contradiction) In addition to that, there are an infinite amount of alternate universes, and it's difficult to find out which ones are linked to the mainstream Earth-616 and which ones are just what ifs and possible futures.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: MirageAtoli on June 06, 2011, 09:44:43 AM
It doesn't help when there is alot of metaphysical metaphors/analogies to being a comic book character, either.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 06, 2011, 11:44:29 AM
well one thing about marvel is they didn't have the ability to have else world stories so I'm kinda confused with them as well. The first else world story was AOA ( it was damed awesome and very dark for the times).
because of that I can't be sure that 616 is the main earth.
Ultimate marvel isn't a multiverse it's completely separate. AOA became one universe in their multiverse but I'm not sure if it is the first of the other worlds.

CoIE did alot but I didn't read to much before the event. I don't think it's to much of a concern because I think each
characters origins are to some degree self contained. so the characters who vanished might not have messed up the surviving characters origins. Power-Girl probably was the most messed up.

Earth two had equivalent batmans and such so messing with one batman doesn't mess with the other.
In the case of Huntress and those who had only existed only on earth two before CoIE.
when she appeared on earth one she was a completely different character so it's not necessary to know anything about the pre-CoIE Huntress. This is what I would keep in mind when reading DC comics.

Marvel's issue isn't so much a recon but more of an add-on. They've added stuff to several characters origin causing you to have to look as things differently. This can cause some contradictions when characters have linked origins. Or just cause anger in the case of spiderman.
I think Marvel should be bit more careful of messing with origins since I don't think they recon as much. Plus I'm don't think they have or can do elseworld stories. I mean AOA was one but.....I just don't know about them when it come to this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 06, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
Age of Apocalypse isn't an "elseworld" , and in marvel, world's separate from the mainstream continuity and those of relevance are called "What If (http://marvel.wikia.com/What_If)". However unlike DC's elseworlds, what if is a retelling of stories at one point in time if something different happened rather than the original stories, while elseworlds are completely re-imaginings of the DC characters you know, set into different worlds and times.

Age of Apocalypse is a possible future, I don't know what event caused it to happen, but it's still Earth-616 (well actually since it's a possible future, and not the current timeline, it get its own universe: Earth-295 (http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-295)).
According to the Wikia
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Professor X was accidentally killed by the time-traveling mutant Legion, causing his dream of human and mutant harmony to never come into existance. Magneto leads the X-Men against Apocalypse. Blink, Sabretooth, X-Man, Dark Beast, Holocaust, and Sugar Man all hail from this reality. It was thought to be destroyed, (in X-Men Omega), but turned out to still be in existence in Age of Apocalypse #1.
Again, unlike elseworlds, these alternate Earths are all actually linked together in the Marvel Multiverse, and people from these alternate Earths can come in contact with the other planets, while the elseworlds take place in their own universes outside of the DC multiverses. X-man is from AoA, and he came to Earth 616 and interacted with it's residents (and it's not a question as to whether or not this Earth-616 is the mainstream continuity. It's a fact.)

Marvel has an official universe for every Marvel owned comic, television show, movie, character etc. future and past. No future is set in stone for Marvel or DC. They both have future stories, and brief stories that tell of the future that actually is set in stone, but none of the future stories tell what is going to happen. Marvel has multiple future stories that are all 'possible futures' and each of these possible realities (like every what if stories, which change the past) have their own universe.

That's where my multiversal issues with Marvel come in. They have possible futures that come to Earth-616, and some other realities like Zombie-verse and the Ultimate Universes may have came in contact with the mainstream continuity. Then they have a few hundred more universes that are on their own (like most of the what if stories).

Go to the Marvel Wikia's Multiverse page (http://marvel.wikia.com/Multiverse) to see a list of all the (currently) known universes officially labeled by Marvel (and the ones Marvel didn't label yet).



Hm... after thinking about Marvel, I'm thinking maybe I should do that(what you suggested earlier)....maybe I should just grab a bunch of comics, and read them, then toss out the ones I'd say is unimportant or non canon.... only issue with that is space....I don't want to get rid of anything that I may need/want later...

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 地獄の花 on June 06, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
it's kinda funny that dc makes lame super heroes yet they can make badass villains and parallel world/evil versions of their super heroes.

like superman's black and white capeless counter part. or wonderwoman's counter part olympia instead of using rope she uses a spear and she wears greek style armor complete with a cape (though she isn't canon but she looks more awesome than blue panties)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEIADT8V7jE

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 06, 2011, 09:21:43 PM
Her name is Olympia
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100704140305/marvel_dc/images/0/0d/Olympia_Crisis_on_Two_Earths.jpg)

What about these Wonder Women? (they're the exact same Wonder Woman you saw tossing that truck)
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100825201144/marvel_dc/images/thumb/9/90/Wonder_Woman_602.jpg/298px-Wonder_Woman_602.jpg) (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100330181426/marvel_dc/images/f/f4/Wonder_Woman_0010.jpg)

If you're judging style, I'd say the wonder woman on the left is better.... and if you don't know when she got that look, it's because you're only watching the animated versions of the characters (like superman from the justice lords in Justice League).
The animated version are normally more simplified and tone down to be more kid friendly.

Spoiler: look at starfire (click to see content)

Spoiler: and brainiac (click to see content)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 07, 2011, 03:02:31 AM
The animated version are normally more simplified and tone down to be more kid friendly.
That's not true for everything, especially not the DCAU.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 07, 2011, 03:58:14 AM
It's not entirely true for the movies such as superman/batman movies.... but clearly you're joking when you say that about the DCAU  --; (which includes Batman, Superman, Justice League/Unlimited, etc.)

If the designs weren't more simplified and the stories weren't toned down to be kid friendly, then how would you explain the Joker, a homicidal maniac, having lots of weapons, death traps, and rampages, to have never killed a single person in all of the DCAU? (when he probably has the most amount of murders in the comic's universe)

Spoiler: toon media (click to see content)

Everything below All-Star Superman wasn't (too) toned down to be appropriate for children, everything else was (and no, I'm obviously not talking about 3 year olds, I'm talking about maybe 5-14)

And by "more simplified" I mean they lack certain details that the comics show, like Brainiac with only a few crystal tag things on his head, or the Joker without stripes on his jacket, or Wonder Woman with only a few stars on her panties  :).
These designs were made to speed up the drawing phases for the animation (which is completely reasonable).

By "toned down to be more kid friendly" I mean they completely changed starfire's outfit (and breasts) from this (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100422161334/marvel_dc/images/thumb/1/1f/Starfire_006.jpg/408px-Starfire_006.jpg) into this (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051230184013/marvel_dc/images/a/a2/Starfire_TV_4.jpg), when they could have just as easily used this (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100802114639/marvel_dc/images/2/21/Starfire_Public_Enemies.jpg). They gave her a skirt and covered up her breasts. That's censoring, and they did that just to make it more appropriate for children. That's toning things down, and I don't like it.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 07, 2011, 04:03:16 AM
If the designs weren't more simplified and the stories weren't toned down to be kid friendly, then how would you explain the Joker, a homicidal maniac, having lots of weapons, death traps, and rampages, to have never killed a single person in all of the DCAU? (when he probably has the most amount of murders in the comic's universe)
Dude, Joker's killed plenty of people in the DCAU, especially in Mask of the Phantasm and the uncut version of Return of the Joker.

Spoiler: toon media (click to see content)
Neither of those take place in the DCAU.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 07, 2011, 04:31:43 AM
Spoiler: toon media (click to see content)
Neither of those take place in the DCAU.
Maybe

If the designs weren't more simplified and the stories weren't toned down to be kid friendly, then how would you explain the Joker, a homicidal maniac, having lots of weapons, death traps, and rampages, to have never killed a single person in all of the DCAU? (when he probably has the most amount of murders in the comic's universe)
Dude, Joker's killed plenty of people in the DCAU, especially in Mask of the Phantasm and the uncut version of Return of the Joker.

Is the uncut version of Batman Beyond exactly 1 hour 42 minutes and 16 seconds long? If so, then that's the one I watched, and took a look at, a few moments ago. In that movie, I forgot that the Joker killed that ONE henchman. Aside from that, he sprayed Joker gas on a few people, and destroyed some buildings, but those are ONLY assumed deaths. You don't know if any of them actually died. They all could have easily stopped their cars before they fall of the highways, or crashed into the water and got out of their cars, and for the people that were gassed, they could have received an antidote before they laughed themselves to death. And you don't know if anyone was actually in those building that the joker blasted.
Same thing for mask of the phantasm. I forgot about this one, but in that movie, the Joker didn't kill anyone, that girl did. (the same thing for his gassed victims apply too)

So aside from those mobsters and that joker henchmen, no one else was murdered (by the Joker or that girl) (just implied)

Anything else? (that is actually shown or said, and not just implied)

p.s. the justice lords version of superman killed lex luthor, but they didn't brutalize it any farther than saying that "that guy is in jail for murder" (Which is appropriate for children. As I recall, you're told in elementary that Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luthor King were assassinated, not baby terms like "they went away" or "they're with angels now")
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 07, 2011, 04:56:02 AM
Maybe
No, they don't. They clearly do not. Especially Superman: Doomsday, which would directly contradict JLU's Doomsday.

And you don't know if anyone was actually in those building that the joker blasted.
The buildings with all the lights on? Yeah, sure, nobody was in there. I remember reading somewhere that the writers considered all victims of the Joker venom stuff who were not specifically noted as being given an antidote as dead. There are also newspaper clippings in some episodes that will mention Joker killing people.

And so what if he doesn't have a gigantic body count? He doesn't need one to be menacing. The DCAU Joker is the best interpretation of the character, bar none.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 07, 2011, 05:01:38 AM
The DCAU Joker is DEFINITELY not the best interpretation of the Joker  o_O. The Joker from Batman: under the red hood is. (the DCAU joker is second best in the animated universe)

I'm not saying he isn't menacing or needs a lot of body counts. But he definitely is child friendly compared to the comic version that shoots people in the head just because he's bored  :sugoi:.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 07, 2011, 05:06:34 AM
The DCAU Joker is DEFINITELY not the best interpretation of the Joker  o_O. The Joker from Batman: under the red hood is. (the DCAU joker is second best in the animated universe)
Are you serious.

Look, I love John DiMaggio, but he is nowhere near as menacing as Mark Hamil as the Joker.

I'm not saying he isn't menacing or needs a lot of body counts. But he definitely is child friendly compared to the comic version that shoots people in the head just because he's bored  :sugoi:.
I think that actually makes him better, because in the hands of lesser writers the comic Joker often just randomly kills people with no flair or substance. With the restrictions the animated series had, the writers had to make every murder the Joker could commit matter.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 07, 2011, 05:18:27 AM
B:UtRH's Joker is better because he killed Robin in an explosion, laughed about it, crippled Barbara Gordon(I assume he did this too), and laughed about Batman breaking nearly all of his bones. That's the comic version Joker.

A homicidal lunatic with a bunch of weapons and free time will do a lot of things, and randomly killing people is definitely one of those things. They don't kill just because they had a really good reason to.

If we're debating whether or not the the comic version Joker is better than the DCAU Joker, I say comics win.
If we're debating whether or not B:UtRH's Joker is more like the comic version than the DCAU Joker, I say B:UtRH win.

If you're saying DCAU Joker is better than both of them, then fine. You're entitled to your own opinions, just as I am.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 07, 2011, 05:32:03 AM
They don't kill just because they had a really good reason to.
I meant that the writer's had a good reason, not the Joker himself. :P

B:UtRH's Joker is better because he killed Robin in an explosion, laughed about it, crippled Barbara Gordon(I assume he did this too), and laughed about Batman breaking nearly all of his bones. That's the comic version Joker.
What the Joker does in Return of the Joker is worse, IMO. He tortures Robin for like 3 days, completely breaking his mind.

If we're debating whether or not the the comic version Joker is better than the DCAU Joker, I say comics win.
Well, to a certain extent, yes, that's what I'm saying, taking both versions as a whole. Basically, the Joker in the DCAU was always portrayed greatly, while the comic version has had some terrible depictions of the Joker. But the good comics also have amazing deceptions of the Joker!



Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 07, 2011, 06:20:20 AM
B:UtRH's Joker is better because he killed Robin in an explosion, laughed about it, crippled Barbara Gordon(I assume he did this too), and laughed about Batman breaking nearly all of his bones. That's the comic version Joker.
What the Joker does in Return of the Joker is worse, IMO. He tortures Robin for like 3 days, completely breaking his mind.
Three weeks.... they only shown Joker electrifying Robin (from what I'd assume) a few hours a day.
Sure, that's a bit dark for younger children, but it's not as bad as watching a guy beat a teen in the head with a crowbar. This Joker spent a while (an unlabeled amount of time) alone with Robin, breaking his bones and possibly giving him concussions, then after a while, Robin laying on the ground with a bunch of blood splattered around him, the Joker walks away laughing, then blows up the building Robin was in. He did this just for fun. That's more dark (or maybe graphic) than what the DCAU Joker did.


If we're debating whether or not the the comic version Joker is better than the DCAU Joker, I say comics win.
Well, to a certain extent, yes, that's what I'm saying, taking both versions as a whole. Basically, the Joker in the DCAU was always portrayed greatly, while the comic version has had some terrible depictions of the Joker. But the good comics also have amazing deceptions of the Joker!

You may be able to say that about the DCAU Joker because he didn't have hundreds pf appearances and was probably made by only a couple of people. The comics version of the Joker is handed around by lots of different writers and artists, so of course there will be some variety with them, but the overall character of the Joker is the same,  crazy killing clown.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 07, 2011, 10:25:05 PM
DCAU Joker is depicted more consistently and I do fell he's better than the comic joker. you will have to read comics and watch these show for a long time before you figure out why.

I would not believe any wiki that says AOA is a current possible future   :noo:
it was the future but it is no more. If anything it is a separate dimension.
 
Marvel is still and will forever be looking a "the days of our future past" as the ending for the X-men
they haven't been able to shake it for 20 years.

DC doesn't have any definitive futures set for their characters. Disregard batman 666 I can't see that truly ever coming to pass.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 02:09:52 AM
Batman Beyond is the future of Batman. But because DC is never going to let the characters continue long enough to see that time, that's the only future we can be certain of.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 08, 2011, 03:00:42 AM
Batman Beyond = DCAU future only do not get these things crossed or confused
and stop making massive assumptions.

you should sigh up with this forums for more accurate info than what you find on the wiki

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on June 08, 2011, 03:47:24 AM
By "toned down to be more kid friendly" I mean they completely changed starfire's outfit (and breasts) from this (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100422161334/marvel_dc/images/thumb/1/1f/Starfire_006.jpg/408px-Starfire_006.jpg) into this (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051230184013/marvel_dc/images/a/a2/Starfire_TV_4.jpg), when they could have just as easily used this (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100802114639/marvel_dc/images/2/21/Starfire_Public_Enemies.jpg). They gave her a skirt and covered up her breasts. That's censoring, and they did that just to make it more appropriate for children. That's toning things down, and I don't like it.

And ironically enough, there's more porn of this "toned down to be more kid friendly" look than the big breasted .scantily-clad version. Ugh.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 08, 2011, 03:53:02 AM
That's cause they went japanese on her. She looks like she comes from her planet's (Tamarind) japan assuming, they have a japan.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 04:23:09 AM
And ironically enough, there's more porn of this "toned down to be more kid friendly" look than the big breasted .scantily-clad version. Ugh.

That's because more people watch cartoons than comics. Comics are boring and only reason they catch my interest is because every television adaptation is less violent and make their own stories instead of just animating the events from the comics (like what most anime do with mangas).


Batman Beyond = DCAU future only do not get these things crossed or confused
and stop making massive assumptions.
you should sigh up with this forums for more accurate info than what you find on the wiki
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/

I'm not just making assumptions  --;. (everything is assumed unless the creators specifically say that something happened or not and DC seems to normally do that.)

(I thought I should've mentioned this earlier) I'm talking about Batman Beyond Vol.3+, not the cartoon version.

Batman Beyond (after vol 1+2) is a Terry in the future after Infinite Crisis brought back the multiverse, so he's either a definite/possible future or an alternate Earth's Future.
He's in Batman #700, Superman/Batman #75, and Superman/Batman Annual #4
It's true that that doesn't prove that he's New Earth's future, but since it's not an elseworld or a separate comic series outside of the mainstream continuity, then it does prove that it's in the current multiverse (I say current because DC always change things)

About the comic resource site, I've been there before, but I didn't pay much attention to it. I'll think about browsing that site, but unless it's an official DC site, it has no more leverage on facts than wikia does.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 08, 2011, 04:34:33 AM
you're starting to piss me off

BB was an elseworld story based on the cartoon. It became one of the 52 worlds. You should seriously consider registering on that site. It is alot better than the wikis and it's the next best thing to the actual company since some of the artist or writers come on that site. (very rarely)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on June 08, 2011, 04:38:41 AM
you're starting to piss me off

Finally someone gets pissed off here, it's about damn time!

A clusterfuck of walltext after walltext, no wonder why I definitely do not care about comic books or their community at all. It's bad when you know something its canon until someone else takes the direction of the next comic, reboots the whole shit, retcons everything and you are set back to 0 wtih all that knowledge becoming useless to keep track of the next story.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 08, 2011, 04:54:09 AM
Comics are boring and only reason they catch my interest is because every television adaptation is less violent and make their own stories instead of just animating the events from the comics (like what most anime do with mangas).
Most mangas don't have 70+ years of history, with wildly different interpretations of the characters.

And what's the point of a direct, 1:1 adaption anyway? Why even bother?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 05:49:26 AM
you're starting to piss me off  [end quote]:P

BB was an elseworld story based on the cartoon. It became one of the 52 worlds. You should seriously consider registering on that site. It is alot better than the wikis and it's the next best thing to the actual company since some of the artist or writers come on that site. (very rarely)

The Batman Beyond Cartoon series was way to show their (the creators of the series) idea of what a Batman in the future would be like without using Bruce Wayne as the main character. The show itself was not connected with the comics in any way, and being purely imagination.
The show definitely inspired DC Comic writers to bring Batman Beyond into the comics continuity, just like B:TAS inspired DC Comics to bring Harley Quinn into the continuity.

Just because the universes that these characters originated in doesn't have any connection to the comics' universe, doesn't mean that they aren't officially in the mainstream continuity.

(or to rephrase what I'm saying) Batman Beyond (comics) is not an elseworld character/story nor did he start as one. He's based on a character that is out of universe/elseworld, but he is apart of the mainstream continuity.
And again, I said I'll think about it (CBR site)

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Finally someone gets pissed off here, it's about damn time!

A clusterfuck of walltext after walltext, no wonder why I definitely do not care about comic books or their community at all. [/size]It's bad when you know something its canon until someone else takes the direction of the next comic, reboots the whole shit, retcons everything and you are set back to 0 wtih all that knowledge becoming useless to keep track of the next story.

True, I can agree with that, but it does give me something to occupy my boring life with at the moment.

Comics are boring and only reason they catch my interest is because every television adaptation is less violent and make their own stories instead of just animating the events from the comics (like what most anime do with mangas).
Most mangas don't have 70+ years of history, with wildly different interpretations of the characters.

And what's the point of a direct, 1:1 adaption anyway? Why even bother?

Yeah if the viewer hasn't already read the source material, otherwise the adaptation would be really entertaining if it's presented properly. If it's presented the right way,  then a viewer should get the same amount of entertainment from the animation as they would if they read the book (I like some anime and if it's good enough, I'd actually read the manga just because I wanted to know what happens next.)

Mangas don't have that kind of history because they're usually written by only a handful of people, and the characters actually die  :P (instead of inexplicably slowly aging through the decades, or being revived somehow.)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 08, 2011, 06:11:53 AM
an adaptaion is different media, which ahs different strenghts and weaknesses, even if the plot is followed 100% faithfully it will still be a different experience.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 06:20:08 AM
True. In my case, before anything else, I care about what happened, secondly I care is how it happened. The second (and maybe unnamed third) is why I'd chose to see it animated and not use my (limited) imagination to try to figure out how it happened  :).

edit: P.S. Is it possible to get HIV from a bite? Because I'm watching Baki the Grappler and Baki's mom just bit him, then when he was leaving, I saw this (http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n556/Edtion/vlcsnap.png).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 08, 2011, 08:40:34 AM
some story's in movies should be closer to the comics or almost word for word. I think this is what went wrong with X-men 3. Lord, the dark phoenix saga  :wall:


edition, I'm convinced you don't know what a elseworld story from DC is. harley quinn being added to [earth one from the BAS. is not the same as batman beyond being adapted to one of the other 52 earths. Not the same.

Main continuity at DC comics = Earth One's dimension ( Yes it really is earth one) 
DC comics continuity is all earths in their multiverse plus their DCAU.

Future Continuity on Earth 3 =/= Future Continuity on Earth 8
Future Continuity on Earth 2 from the DCAU =/= Future Continuity on Earth 4 in the DCU
Past Continuity on Earth 1 =/= Past Continuity on Earth 1 DCAU


marvel and dc do not run their continuities nor their dimension's the same way.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 09:13:25 AM
Edtion  --;

Sorry, but I don't understand most of what you said, so you'd have to rephrase it.   :(

It's better to call it New Earth (or just Earth) since it doesn't exactly have the same history as Earth-One. On Earth-One, superheroes teamed up a few times with superheroes from Earth-Two, and (if I remember correctly) there was a superboy before there was a superman on Earth-One. On New Earth, superman first got the costume after he saved a plane as an adult.
So, New Earth is made from Earth-One, but it's not the same thing.

And can you explain to me the Marvel thing, because I saw the movie but I haven't really done too much of any research in the stories for Marvel because I don't want to jump in at the wrong places.


P.S. Is it possible to get HIV from a bite? Because I'm watching Baki the Grappler and Baki's mom just bit him, then when he was leaving, I saw this (http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n556/Edtion/vlcsnap.png).

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gate on June 08, 2011, 11:47:27 AM
some story's in movies should be closer to the comics or almost word for word. I think this is what went wrong with X-men 3. Lord, the dark phoenix saga  :wall:


edition, I'm convinced you don't know what a elseworld story from DC is. harley quinn being added to [earth one from the BAS. is not the same as batman beyond being adapted to one of the other 52 earths. Not the same.

Main continuity at DC comics = Earth One's dimension ( Yes it really is earth one) 
DC comics continuity is all earths in their multiverse plus their DCAU.

Future Continuity on Earth 3 =/= Future Continuity on Earth 8
Future Continuity on Earth 2 from the DCAU =/= Future Continuity on Earth 4 in the DCU
Past Continuity on Earth 1 =/= Past Continuity on Earth 1 DCAU


marvel and dc do not run their continuities nor their dimension's the same way.

Actually Terry McGinnis/Batman Beyond exists on New Earth. But isn't the same version as the cartoon, because he is trained by an old Damian Wayne in that universe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 05:06:14 PM
Yeah but when multiverses come  into the issue, unless DC or a character states the exact universe, it can always be another Earth (but even if a character says it's one Earth, DC can always come back and say that the character was misinformed  ::))
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 08, 2011, 08:51:04 PM
some story's in movies should be closer to the comics or almost word for word. I think this is what went wrong with X-men 3. Lord, the dark phoenix saga  :wall:


edition, I'm convinced you don't know what a elseworld story from DC is. harley quinn being added to [earth one from the BAS. is not the same as batman beyond being adapted to one of the other 52 earths. Not the same.

Main continuity at DC comics = Earth One's dimension ( Yes it really is earth one) 
DC comics continuity is all earths in their multiverse plus their DCAU.

Future Continuity on Earth 3 =/= Future Continuity on Earth 8
Future Continuity on Earth 2 from the DCAU =/= Future Continuity on Earth 4 in the DCU
Past Continuity on Earth 1 =/= Past Continuity on Earth 1 DCAU


marvel and dc do not run their continuities nor their dimension's the same way.

Actually Terry McGinnis/Batman Beyond exists on New Earth. But isn't the same version as the cartoon, because he is trained by an old Damian Wayne in that universe.
I'm guessing he's starting to grow on people but I really wonder how long he'll last since some people hate him.
The current bosses of DC and Marvel have been messing with some of the characters.
Like why Gene Gray hasn't be resurrected yet.
If DC gets on that level I wouldn't be surprised if some characters go missing. Him being one.
I really don't like the idea of him being future batman. It should have been Tim or Nightwing.  Tim seems to have a dark and angsty streak causing him to go bad.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 08, 2011, 09:07:35 PM
Yeah but when multiverses come  into the issue, unless DC or a character states the exact universe, it can always be another Earth
Not in all the cases. Young Justice animated becamed Earth-14 according to DCU. Also the Elseworlds are parallel universes to the main one, New-Earth (or Earth-One before the 2 Crisis), for one side could be facts that changed (as The Nail or Superman: Red Son, something like Marvel's What If...?) or well the same heroes in different times (like Gotham by Gaslight). So, every Elseworlds (and before that, the "Imaginary Stories" like Superman: Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?)

Also, yesterday I was trying to make a wall-of-text post abour COIE to explain something about its creation, but later I didn't post it because the thread was changing the theme so quick... and I don't want to post a wall-of-text
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 08, 2011, 09:17:44 PM
Did it have to do with wolfmen and him coming up with the idea when he was 10?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 08, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Yeah, something like that, but when I was redacting that, I read about "which Joker is better" and later about "Batman Beyond" stuff. So I gave up and passed away the stuff I was writing :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 08, 2011, 11:43:03 PM
Do it anyway  ;D. I made this thread to hear others' thoughts on CoIE as well as other DC comics related stories. Those other things, while not being on-topic, are still interesting (at least to me anyway)

Young Justice animated becamed Earth-14 according to DCU.

Are you sure about that? Because wikia says that DC said the events occur in Earth-16 (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to clarify this information. Either way, I don't think an animated series should be the main source for an alternate comics world  ::))

some story's in movies should be closer to the comics or almost word for word. I think this is what went wrong with X-men 3. Lord, the dark phoenix saga  :wall:

Please, explain   :blank:.

P.S. Is it possible to get HIV from a bite? Because I'm watching Baki the Grappler and Baki's mom just bit him, then when he was leaving, I saw this (http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n556/Edtion/vlcsnap.png).

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 12:42:18 AM
I am not liking the relaunch for dc this fall, well at least not for the bat line, I was really liking dick grayson as batman, making him nightwing again feels like a step back, and birds of prey as a covert ops team looks silly.I wonder what will happen to tim drake if daimen is staying on as robin, doesn't look good.

I do like how cyborg is going to be a big part of dc comics in the coming months, not alot of black super hero's get the spot light and its cool to see one shine.


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 09, 2011, 12:53:39 AM
I was really liking dick grayson as batman, making him nightwing again feels like a step back
Seriously? They're doing that?

sigh
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 12:59:50 AM
yes they are rebooting the whole dc universe basically. complete with some modified origins and whatnot.

after this flashpoint event going on now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 09, 2011, 01:03:28 AM
yes they are rebooting the whole dc universe basically. complete with some modified origins and whatnot.

after this flashpoint event going on now.
Oh so it is a reboot. I was hoping it was just a relaunch of all the titles.

Because doing that has always worked and it will never bite you in the ass later.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 01:17:08 AM
its like a semi reboot\relaunch, some origins will change for people etc etc, still dont like the dick grayson back to nightwing thing or the birds of prey stuff, oh also, Barbara Gordon is batgirl again too. They just retconned out one of the biggest joker moments.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 09, 2011, 01:39:05 AM
Yeah, I agree about DC reboot... a lot of things will change and all will be the beginning, and that stuff I don't like it. Almost all heroes will come back to their origins and all will be younger than now, a big change only compared to DC post-COIE... and I'm scared about that :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 09, 2011, 01:58:06 AM
its like a semi reboot\relaunch, some origins will change for people etc etc, still dont like the dick grayson back to nightwing thing or the birds of prey stuff, oh also, Barbara Gordon is batgirl again too. They just retconned out one of the biggest joker moments.

Why are they doing a massive reboot. I know IC may have caused them to paint them self in a corner but still.
They could have avoided these problems if they thought out IC more throughly and not allowed some of their
comics to de-evolve into chaos, Not run final crisis, avoided amazonian's attack, kept the teen titans on track and sane and not brought back Damian.

it sounds like alot of the bat family is going to get a raw deal. But kicking Cassandra Cain out for Spoiler was such a bad idea that bring back Barbara Gordon was a logical choice.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 09, 2011, 02:09:12 AM
That's because DC wanted a new public basically guided for the movies, so they made a massive reboot. But as I know, maybe Green Lantern titles will remain from original titles, but that could be rumours only :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 02:12:16 AM
cassandra was still a batgirl in batman inc. and I actually liked batgirl when it started out with stephanie, it was good, kinda had a little buffy vibe going. I think they are doing this to bring in new readers and whatnot, and just change the status quo, its a little silly if you ask me, I dont like them setting back new people (dick) just to have the same people (bruce who I love, but cmon) in like 4-5 books themselves..... ugh.


flashpoint is decent right now, I like how cyborg is the definitive hero of this world.


and no, everything is being rebooted but the stuff johns did with blackest night and brightest day etc will still be intact in the canon.

edit-- again its not a complete reboot, its like a semi reboot\launch
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 02:34:11 AM
@Neocide
I like the Revy avatar. Also you're 100% certain DC said that's what they're doing, and not what they 'basically' said? Where'd they say it, because I want to see their 100% actual words.

And seriously:
P.S. Is it possible to get HIV from a bite? Because I'm watching Baki the Grappler and Baki's mom just bit him, then when he was leaving, I saw this (http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n556/Edtion/vlcsnap.png).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 03:14:18 AM
yes here's one scoop on it
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/06/dc-d-day-plus-7-what-we-know-and-dont-about-the-dc-relaunch-right-now/ somewhat full scoop.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 09, 2011, 03:15:38 AM
cassandra was still a batgirl in batman inc. and I actually liked batgirl when it started out with stephanie, it was good, kinda had a little buffy vibe going. I think they are doing this to bring in new readers and whatnot, and just change the status quo, its a little silly if you ask me, I dont like them setting back new people (dick) just to have the same people (bruce who I love, but cmon) in like 4-5 books themselves..... ugh.


flashpoint is decent right now, I like how cyborg is the definitive hero of this world.


and no, everything is being rebooted but the stuff johns did with blackest night and brightest day etc will still be intact in the canon.

edit-- again its not a complete reboot, its like a semi reboot\launch
I looked over and I see alot of characters getting titles that are not fan favs.
Also I saw the teen titans, I won't be reading that
seriously WTF happened to them. DC can never get them straight.
I'm glad blackest night and brightest day aren't getting erased.
what is the cause of this flash point thing by the way. Is it fallout from the last crisis?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 03:26:14 AM
flashpoint I didnt start in on, it was happening in flash, but alot of different things have happen instead of what initially happens in the main universe,like
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I am not liking teen titans either, what the fuck did they do to tim drake, he looks like falcon's sidekick. ugh. UGH. this relaunch is lame.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 09, 2011, 03:39:08 AM
When I tried to read what was in the spoiler tab I suddenly got the error "did not compute!"

That sounds like it would have been a nice else-world story and nothing more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 03:50:17 AM
I didn't find anything useful on that link you posted, aside from a link to another site with this lady with m.d. speaking about Barbara being a symbol/icon for people with disabilities and DC retconing/removing her handicap is upsetting to her, which linked to another page with some information about the new line of comic books (3 pages with more than 4 text-only paragraphs is too much for me to suffer through)

I only saw them re-mentioning that DC comics is making a first issue for 50/51/52 comic books, which doesn't say it's an entirely new story/continuity. It could easily be just a new volume for each of them (which if you only see that information it doesn't, by itself, state a new continuity).

(If you actually want me to figure it out any time soon) Can you link me to a specific source for information on a continuity change.

and really, I want to know  >_<
P.S. Is it possible to get HIV from a bite? Because I'm watching Baki the Grappler and Baki's mom just bit him, then when he was leaving, I saw this (http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n556/Edtion/vlcsnap.png).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 09, 2011, 04:01:36 AM
Be careful jmorphman is gonna fist you.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 04:06:52 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news

check around there, they have previews to the comics on sale in september, which are alot of new number ones with relaunching stuff, they dont intentionally tell you some stuff is being redone, but they do mention stuff, also the fact some of the big characters are going to be a bit younger. 


edit --- and hiv is transmitted through open wounds etc, so biting someone who has the virus could cause you to get it, not entirely sure though but its possible I think.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 05:27:55 AM
Ok, thanks (for both). So I take it that it can't be transferred via biting someone (biter to bit).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on June 09, 2011, 06:05:32 AM
but he said the opposite  :ninja:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 06:57:05 AM
Yes, but he answered the opposite of my question  ::).

P.S. look at my signature  ;D.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 09, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
P.S. look at my signature  ;D.
Sadly, that sig avoid me to post more stuff about DC here :S plz, at least keep the image with a spoiler!!

I only saw them re-mentioning that DC comics is making a first issue for 50/51/52 comic books, which doesn't say it's an entirely new story/continuity. It could easily be just a new volume for each of them (which if you only see that information it doesn't, by itself, state a new continuity).
Do you know about the number 42?? Well, for DC Comics, the number 52 it's almost the same thing, it's like a symbolic number used in a lot of stuff and stories in the company

And don't like the 80% of changes in this reboot, like Rob Liefeld making the new Hawk & Dove series (http://geekscape.ca/news/rob-liefeld-on-hawk-dove-for-dc-reboot)  :gonk:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
They should add the female as an associate to the hawk and dove (brothers? I don't know anything about them aside the cartoon versions).

I don't know 42, but 52 is the multiverse and 52 days of no SM/BM/WW.

P.S. look at my signature  ;D.
Sadly, that sig avoid me to post more stuff about DC here :S plz, at least keep the image with a spoiler!!

What does that mean  >:( (aside from the animation, out sigs are the same size, and yours is almost the same humor as mine)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 09, 2011, 08:57:48 PM
I don't mean for the size, I mean for the disturbing :S
About 42, see this article in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_%28number%29), but not precisely the part of the number itself :P

And yes, confirming: The magical number is 52, DC Fact. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/07/an-updateable-list-of-the-52-dc-titles-for-september/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 09:02:23 PM
Hey 6 men holding each other's hips with their asses really close together seems far more disturbing than a boxer hitting a referee's hand for getting too close to the sack   ::) .

Can you explain/simplify 42, because that's a page explaining the number 42, which is one number greater than 41, and one number less than 43. That's over explaining a single number.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 09, 2011, 09:21:11 PM
Spoiler: To avoid more offtopic... Edtion, get over here!! (click to see content)

Also, DC showed the new designs of Superman, Supergirl and Superboy (way different to Teen Titans appearance)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/09/dc-relaunch-a-brand-new-look-for-superman-supergirl-and-superboy/

And I think the other thread about Reboot should be merged here, IMO (report?)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 09, 2011, 09:51:50 PM
Maybe, though this thread really isn't about the new reboot (people just keep talking about it), it's about.... the first crisis and other DC related things.

I can tolerate the supergirl, but that superman sucks (maybe it's just the way it's drawn). If they're going to make any changes to him, they need to give him black and white suit with long hair  ;D. The superboy may look good once he's finished being built (as a cyborg/robot?)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 09, 2011, 09:53:05 PM
supergirl's new costume is interesting. Supermans is kinda egh.
Superboy is totally bastardized but I never liked him anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 10:06:34 PM
wtf, superman looks like he has armor on almost, I know he's the man of steel, but you don't have to make it look like his suit is too. SuperGirl's suit is nice,superboy's sucks in titans and his own title, what a letdown there.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 09, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I don't mind Robin's new suit though.
Everything else in the TT is looking wack and very 90's
Heck even wonder woman is looking 90's
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 09, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
That's Red Robin, Tim. Original Robin will be Damian Wayne as I read in some places (father and son, anyone??)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 09, 2011, 10:28:39 PM
they gave daimen a feather type of cape too, just not as much as tim's. I like Tim's older look better myself, I liked how he was more of a mix between his old robin outfit and batman. too many red and black get up's for the bat family imo though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 09, 2011, 10:29:32 PM
@ InTheNavy
yeah I know. do you think it will stay that way though?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gate on June 10, 2011, 12:47:28 AM
I'm sad that Booster Gold (IMHO, the best DC hero) has lost his ongoing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 10, 2011, 01:52:19 AM
I'm sad that Booster Gold (IMHO, the best DC hero) has lost his ongoing.

You must hate the dc animated series  ::).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on June 10, 2011, 07:34:12 AM
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I don't mind Robin's new suit though.
Everything else in the TT is looking wack and very 90's
Heck even wonder woman is looking 90's

Agreed. A thousand times, agreed. I've been avoiding news on the DC Reboot in order to spare myself the inevitable migraine it would bring but between the Bat Family, Superboy and Static I just don't even know what to think...
I'm probably saddest because this means the end of Red Robin and a load of enjoyable developments in the Batman titles.  [size=3pt]God, the titans look like shit.[/size]
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 10, 2011, 07:37:52 AM
I hope its not the end of red robin, although now I dont want to read it anymore since I know most of it will be retconned out anyway, they are changing tim's character up some drastically from "the guy always behind a computer" basically all his tech skills and stuff with computers will be downplayed or something of the nature.

this is a collectors nightmare.

Edit -I am looking forward to static actually, the writer who was going to be on the title before it was added to the relaunch was pretty lackluster, her run on teen titans was incredibly dull.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on June 10, 2011, 07:45:33 AM
You're kidding me right? I sincerely hope they do not ruin Drake's character. Bad enough he's got that "not quite the Falcon but twice as gay" costume.

That description of Wonder Girl is even sadder... "...belligerent powerhouse thief known as Wonder Girl..."

Edit -I am looking forward to static actually, the writer who was going to be on the title before it was added to the relaunch was pretty lackluster, her run on teen titans was incredibly dull.
You're super kind. She is absolutely God Awful as a writer and we all dodged a bullet when she was taken off the title. Gonna miss that first released cover image though.

But yeah, given what Static has been through since coming to DC I'm almost afraid to complain about his title... or any Milestone characters given a chance really.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 10, 2011, 09:22:55 AM
Hey, knowing DC and from current information this may (not be a retcon/reboot and) just turn into a short period of time where these characters received major changes and then went mostly back to normal  ;D (before,during,or after any of this actually happens).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gate on June 10, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
To be frankly, Teen Titans was an abomination already in the last years and was one of the jokes of the comicdom.

A Teen Titans membership is almost a death warrant.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 10, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
Death warrants for teens and bigger bounties for the league  :).

Aquagirl (tula) from pre-crisis was a member of the teen titans. She died during crisis. No one remembers crisis.

What happened to her? Was she replaced by some unnamed person (like superman was with uncle sam) or did DC roll out any adventure that was in?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 11, 2011, 05:32:14 AM
To be frankly, Teen Titans was an abomination already in the last years and was one of the jokes of the comicdom.

A Teen Titans membership is almost a death warrant.

This is what I think contributed to the need for a reboot. I remember DC saying that they were supposed to get lighter but the TT remained fucked up. They were so fucked up DC couldn't do anything with them with out a recon.
then evil robin and dark Bruce showed up.

also I'm really confused as how DC owns or manages Static. He's not a DC character from what I remember reading.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on June 11, 2011, 06:22:27 AM
DC bought out Milestone comics years ago. A couple years back they began "integrating" the Milestone characters, like Static, into DC's regular continuity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on June 12, 2011, 12:38:04 AM
I read that Power Girl doesn't exist in the rebooted universe? Is this true?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 12, 2011, 03:07:04 AM
probably, supergirl looks a bit older, so I guess thats why, alot of the other second "girl"  characters are non existent at the moment including donna troy,stephanie brown and of course power girl, probably the new aquagirl too, and I thought aqualad\boy was supposed to get a book or something too.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 12, 2011, 03:25:05 AM
What if they decided to do an alternate multiverse for this new set of characters, while sticking to what worked with the current cast.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on June 12, 2011, 03:57:25 AM
I don't get it. I'm still waiting to hear about Cassandra Cain. A shame I actually liked the last Aquagirl. Weird to get rid of her and the new Aqualad seeing as a focus of this revamp is supposedly diversity. She was latin, right?

I hope Power Girl survives. Her book is one of, if not the, best female centered books out right now. Hell Power Girl is one of the better books currently available, period.

Also info on the Teen Titans costume designs. Tim's continues not to make no sense to me. They wanted to give him a suit that glides. His current suit does that. But it sounds like the wings retract, which would make the outfit look better to me.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-brett-booth-new-teen-titans-costumes-110610.html
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on June 12, 2011, 04:13:25 AM
DC I'm disappoint
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on June 12, 2011, 04:32:17 AM
well I wouldn't get in a uproar just yet, the books announced are just new number 1's doesn't mean some of the older ones wont be back, (I hope) from what I heard. I still don't like the wing setup for red robin though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 12, 2011, 04:42:57 AM
I think this guy either :-\
(http://comicattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/457860-falcon550.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 13, 2011, 01:40:07 AM
That's about as gay as nightwings old costume. Alot of the 80's Teen titans need a new costume.
Power girl survives 2 reboots then dies. That's not fare.

I hate your avatar  and sig.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 13, 2011, 01:59:27 AM
Lol  ;D
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on June 13, 2011, 02:03:47 AM
Even though her book isn't one of the 52 I do hope Power Girl still "exists." I can not stand Super Girl and the description of her new ongoing isn't changing my mind.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 13, 2011, 04:11:26 AM
Yeah, so I just got through watching Green Lantern: Emerald Knights. It's something that happens before Sinestro attacked but after Hal Jordan got the ring in GL:First Flight. I'm confused about something though.
In GL:EK Hal and everyone else seemed like they'd been there for years, and were explaining things to a female with elf ears and she was also being trained by Hal. In GL:FF right after Hal got the ring and was on his first assignment with Sinestro, after Hal caught the alien guy, that same girl was with some lanterns that went to see what happened. So either she was actually never there in FF or she spent a long time doing literally nothing  o_O. (a long time being however long it took for Hal to learn as much about the lantern core and it's history and relevance as any other lantern around, plus however long she was a lantern before then)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 17, 2011, 04:24:16 AM
I'm wondering, all the villains in the DC universe that keeps going on killing sprees. What's up with them? I mean they start off maybe breaking a few people's bones and maybe kill 1-7 people, they go to jail for a sentence of maybe 20+yrs to life or get sent to Arkham; ok.
They break out and kill maybe 20 people, rob a few banks and injure a lot of other people. Do they get the same sentence as before?

They break out AGAIN and do some MORE. Did they get the death sentence yet >_<?

Okay now, to my understanding, all civilized communities in the DC(and maybe Marvel) universe(s) have jails and mass/murders, but no death sentences or wanted dead or alive bounties, correct? (this is excluding the anti(/ish)-heroes like Punisher/Deadpool and Red Hood/Jonnah Hex and else/alternate worlds)

Because Superboy-Prime killed some Teen Titans by accident and then a lot of Green Lanterns on purpose, and the Joker always go on a killing-spree, but the only punishment for Prime was being locked in a red sun cell, and the Lanterns watching and hoping that he doesn't escape, when they could easily kill him since he doesn't have any powers, and the Joker just gets a severe beating by Batman then sent to Arkham where they pointlessly try for years to make him 'sane'. There is no hope for either of them joining the side of good, but they're left alive, and when they both break out, they do some more killing -_-.

I understand that DC doesn't kill them off because they can bring some more entertaining stories later, but still, why doesn't the residents of the DC Universe do something about this >_<.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 17, 2011, 10:43:10 PM
Consider that Green Lanterns are like the police of the universe. And the police do not just kill bad people, just capture them to get in jail. But, there're some cases where they used death as last judgment:
-To avoid more Green Lanterns deaths, Ganthet and the other Guardians authorized lethal force to Green Lanterns, that's mean they after that can kill if necessary, and that's the only way they could win the war against Sinestro Corps
-During Rage of the Red Lanterns (part of Final Crisis tie-ins), Sinestro were close to be executed by GLC (but it was freed by Sinestro Corps and Red Lanterns)
-Various villains were executed during GLC's Emeralt Eclipse saga (prologue to Blackest Night event) by Alpha Lanterns for direct order from Guardians of the Universe, after Ganthet and Sayd were exiled from that group. Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner were opposed to this, but they were redirected to other place

But apart of those cases, in general GLC don't kill villains, just they make justice as real policies do

And about Infinite Crisis, I found this page that clear a lot of doubts: http://sites.google.com/site/theannotatedinfinitecrisis/
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 18, 2011, 12:53:41 AM
Wouldn't it be easier and efficient to say the Green Lanterns don't kill unless they are in battle and the guardian authorize it?

Besides, why they didn't kill superboy-prime isn't really important. I'm more concerned about those many villains that kill, get arrested, then constantly break out. Superboy only got out once and he died after that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gate on June 18, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
This is why I love Flash villains. They are far from the typical psychopatch supervillains.

Actually the first rule of the Rogues' Gallery is "never kill a speedster".
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 19, 2011, 01:36:03 AM
That's right, the Rogues have their own honor code and consider themselves as a brotherhood. I remind about the miniseries The Flash: Fastest Man Alive (a.k.a. Bart Allen as Flash), where they finally defeated Flash, but discovered that really was a child and when they know about Inertia's real plans, they got revenge in Final Crisis' Rogues Revenge
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on June 21, 2011, 04:27:45 AM
Okay.  I'm not that big of a DC fan.  Other than Batman, I never really got into any of their franchises.  But I just saw some of the redesigns that they're going to be doing when they do their big re-launch thing and I have to ask:  What the FUCK did they do to Harley Quinn?!  She looks like a motherfucking juggalo!  What the hell were they thinking?  >:(

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 21, 2011, 04:41:52 PM
Well, about that... I've a (girl) friend who's a big fan of Harley Quinn, even she cosplay her in many times. When she saw this costume for Reboot, said something like "she looks like a whore!!" and dislikes everything about this Reboot Harley. I may say I couldn't say it better ;P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 23, 2011, 07:06:09 AM
is that a fucking cape?

HQ can dress anyway she wants because she's supposed to be wrong.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 26, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
She looks like a motherfucking juggalo!
That's the modern-day clown for ya.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on June 26, 2011, 11:58:22 PM
Modern day clowns look like heroin addicted skanks?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Duos.act on June 26, 2011, 11:59:45 PM
.....I actually like that better than her classic design :X
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on June 27, 2011, 12:06:22 AM
I like it. Not as much as the classic design but it fits her.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 27, 2011, 12:13:19 AM
I don't like the pose though. I'm glad she is still caring a hammer.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on June 27, 2011, 12:25:44 AM
Yes i bet she really cares about that hammer.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on June 27, 2011, 12:46:45 AM
Okay, gonna go a little fanboy here, but:

1)  That new look doesn't fit her at all.  The entire point of her real classic costume was that she was supposed to look like a harlequin.  Because she's Harley Quinn.  That's the whole premise of her identity.  You can't just put a hooker in juggalo makeup and say it's Harley Quinn.
2)  The fact that they replaced her comical clown hammer with an actual sledgehammer is missing the point so badly I don't even know where to begin.

Most of the re-designs I could live with, but they've completely ruined my Harley.  >:(

*storms off to re-read Mad Love
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on June 27, 2011, 12:49:59 AM
She didnt look like a harlequin in arkham asulym (the game) either and no one bitched about that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 28, 2011, 08:35:59 PM
But she's still blonde in that game and has a lot of clothes than that version --;

With that look I don't know if she were to kill me or to offer me her body for a price o_O
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on June 28, 2011, 09:02:17 PM
At least an attempt was made to make her still look like Harley Quinn.  There is nothing about the new costume to suggest that character is anything other than a hooker outside an ICP concert that maybe saw a few minutes of an old episode of Batman TAS.  Just look at them side by side:

(http://www.sidekickcomicsuk.com/blogs/media/blogs/sidekick//harley.jpg)(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/06/suicidesquadcover27ghjdq12.jpeg)

How the hell is that supposed to be the same character?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on June 29, 2011, 07:22:03 AM
Okay, gonna go a little fanboy here, but:

1)  That new look doesn't fit her at all.  The entire point of her real classic costume was that she was supposed to look like a harlequin.  Because she's Harley Quinn.  That's the whole premise of her identity.  You can't just put a hooker in juggalo makeup and say it's Harley Quinn.
2)  The fact that they replaced her comical clown hammer with an actual sledgehammer is missing the point so badly I don't even know where to begin.

Most of the re-designs I could live with, but they've completely ruined my Harley.  >:(

*storms off to re-read Mad Love

Yeah they changed the hammer but at lest she still has one.
juggalos, what came first them or batman beyond. If batman beyond came first then what she's wearing is still some what cannon.

Still not liking the cape though.


Isn't this a similar situation with X-23 from x-men evolution and X-23 in the comics. Where the cartoon came first but the comics turned her into a hooker. Isn't X-23 still loved I'm mocking marvel
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gate on June 29, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
No, X-23 still sucks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on June 30, 2011, 02:26:47 AM
I like the new hq design. Not as it being a replacment, nor do I neccesarily think its an improvement, but its definetely good for a stand-alone or anime character.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on July 10, 2011, 09:49:29 AM
No, X-23 still sucks.

I was trying to be nice  ;)


Anyway am I the only one that had some problem understanding 7 soldiers. most of it got but I couldn't understand the kid team of 7 soldiers who went into the swamp it was very strange. Part of my problem could have been because I read countdown first.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on July 12, 2011, 08:58:44 PM
Here're the 52 new covers from reboot, beware (http://kobayashisdomain.blogspot.com/2011/07/dc-comics-los-nuevos-52.html)
This is a comic blog from a friend, it's in spanish, but that doesn't mean you can't see the 52 covers
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on July 12, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/06/suicidesquadcover27ghjdq12.jpeg)
why
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on July 13, 2011, 03:09:27 PM
Because Arkham asylum.

Because dc tries to be too mature for their own good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Riptide on July 13, 2011, 06:38:51 PM
Here're the 52 new covers from reboot, beware (http://kobayashisdomain.blogspot.com/2011/07/dc-comics-los-nuevos-52.html)
This is a comic blog from a friend, it's in spanish, but that doesn't mean you can't see the 52 covers

Well that's not a true reboot to 52. I do know that DC seems to have a problem with the origional 52. I'm starting g to think that IC was a bad idea because they didn't know where to go from there.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 01, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
So the first of the new 52 is out. I just read the new Justice League. While I certainly didn't hate it, I could not shake this All Star Batman & Robin feeling in the way Batman and Green Lantern were handled. Namely, Batman manages to come off more as an ass than anything else.

Otherwise it's obvious that they're trying very, very hard to appeal to some kinda younger crowd but the issue was surprisingly good. If for no other reason than the fact that Batman owns GL.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 02, 2011, 06:20:05 AM
I just read it, and while I'm not really sure what happened in flashpoint and all that, but I'm just gonna go with "it's a new story and nothing that I knew exists unless I see it again". So, since I can't just forget what I already knew, it's kinda weird to see them in different costumes, and superman looks like he's in his early twenties now. Plus apparently every super hero is actually a vigilante that the cops are trying to kill (instead of it being just Batman).
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Okay now, I just tried to look at some stuff on this flashpoint thing but I can't really find much, so I'm gonna try to read flashpoint comics to see what happened and what's going on with the multi/uni-verse.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 02, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
With The New 52 releases, also appeared the #5 and final of Flashpoint saga, in the end of #4, Barry Allen confirm his doubts about Professor Zoom being the one who changed the time to fuck up the world and the superheroes went to their own destruction. And in #5, after the defeat of Zoom, Flash tried of recreate the lost universe in a similr way than the existing one, the origin of the New 52
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 03, 2011, 05:30:29 AM
If you're trying to explain that to everyone else, then fine, but me on the other hand:  I have no idea what you're talking about  o_O. I read nothing from Flash, and I read nothing from Flashpoint.

Now I did look at the end of Flashpoint#5, and saw that Flash undid time or something and talked to Batman, that's it. everything else is unknown to me aside from some title names.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on September 03, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
People still read super hero comics? Haven't you people heard of this thing called MANGA?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 03, 2011, 04:23:29 PM
Yeah, you mean those books that I normally see in black and white -_-?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 04, 2011, 01:39:28 AM
People still read super hero comics? Haven't you people heard of this thing called MANGA?
Manga?? Too mainstream 8)

If you're trying to explain that to everyone else, then fine, but me on the other hand:  I have no idea what you're talking about  o_O. I read nothing from Flash, and I read nothing from Flashpoint.

Now I did look at the end of Flashpoint#5, and saw that Flash undid time or something and talked to Batman, that's it. everything else is unknown to me aside from some title names.
Then you should read Flashpoint. Basically Professor Zoom (a.k.a. Reverse Flash) changed the history for his convenience to fuck up Flash and all the story:
-Barry never got the lightning that converted into Flash
-The Wayne one murdered was Bruce, that made Thomas (his father) mad and converted into Batman (a la All-Star Batman, a total badass)
-Aquaman and Wonder Woman got into a war with their reigns ruling the Earth (something like superhero's Cold War)
-Kal-El never was found by Kent family, but for US govenment. Think about Roswell

And some other atrocities. Resuming, just read it ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: BrundleFly on September 07, 2011, 02:15:14 PM
People still read super hero comics? Haven't you people heard of this thing called MANGA?
Manga?? Too mainstream 8)

If you're trying to explain that to everyone else, then fine, but me on the other hand:  I have no idea what you're talking about  o_O. I read nothing from Flash, and I read nothing from Flashpoint.

Now I did look at the end of Flashpoint#5, and saw that Flash undid time or something and talked to Batman, that's it. everything else is unknown to me aside from some title names.
Then you should read Flashpoint. Basically Professor Zoom (a.k.a. Reverse Flash) changed the history for his convenience to fuck up Flash and all the story:
-Barry never got the lightning that converted into Flash
-The Wayne one murdered was Bruce, that made Thomas (his father) mad and converted into Batman (a la All-Star Batman, a total badass)
-Aquaman and Wonder Woman got into a war with their reigns ruling the Earth (something like superhero's Cold War)
-Kal-El never was found by Kent family, but for US govenment. Think about Roswell

And some other atrocities. Resuming, just read it ;)

yeah I am currently reading Flashpoint and its pretty good, I like some of the changes, it makes some chars is didnt like like-able  lol
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 08, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/the-new-52/

Official info about all The New 52 titles, including Grifter (Wildstorm's W..I.L.D.Cats leader and now part of DCU since Flashpoint has his own title) and Hellblazer's John Constantine (moved from Vertigo to Justice League Dark with Deadman and co.)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on September 08, 2011, 09:10:04 PM
In the reboot, lex luthor
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 08, 2011, 09:16:35 PM
Source?

So... a lot of the New 52 offerings have caught me off guard this week. By that I mean they were actually good.

I read Batgirl, Batwing, Static, and Action Comics #1 and I gotta say I was delightfully surprised. Especially by Batwing. Easily my favorite this week. Great art and some well paced, well written exposition. I had no hopes for this book. The guy looked silly in all his other appearances but Ben Oliver actually makes the guy look menacing. Backgrounds are bland but faces are some of the best I've seen.

Static was a relief. I was really worried it'd turn out badly but it's a very good book. Art is a couple notches above decent and the writing is believable. I'm enjoying the new setting, especially how they're establishing it, and Hardware's role in the series. What I do not enjoy is the costume, hover disk, and villain designs. They come off as campy and bizarre. Static himself looks great with just the suit on but the jacket and goggles kill it. I can tell the disk is supposed to be high tech or something but I honestly prefer the old hover saucer. His new gadgets are neat though. And I like how they're playing up the science angle.

Batgirl was as good as I'd hoped it'd be. Well drawn. Well written. Honest. I like that they aren't ignoring the wheel chair incident and are actually using it. Still waiting to hear if she was Oracle during the three years she was in the wheelchair or just how her legs healed. I just hope that they do not ignore her time spent as Oracle.

The only book I was iffy on was Action Comics. It was very well written but it felt like one of the myriad of books to put a spin on the "Superman" archetype. It just didn't feel like Superman. I'm worried he'll be another jerk who's really a nice guy at this rate. I haven't liked his appearances thus far. But, again, nice writing great art, good scenarios. I'd normally complain about just how scaled back his powers are for whatever reason but the book actually uses it to great effect.

So yeah. Still hate that all of this came out of no where when their are honestly better, smarter solutions to attract new users (like advertising outside of comic book stores and comic books). But I've liked what I read so far. Now if they  can just not mess up Tim Drake and bring back Cassandra Cain and Power Girl, I'll be golden!

Question: Am I the only one who doesn't like the whole "superhero has civilian roommate and shennanigans ensue" thing? I can't be, right?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 08, 2011, 10:20:53 PM
In the reboot, lex luthor
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
are you fucking serious
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 09, 2011, 02:06:51 AM
It'd be random and pointless if its true. I mean worse than giving him the hots for Lois at least.

Just saw this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4132-Continanity-Rebooted). Thought it was interesting. Pretty much have the same opinion.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Cazaki on September 09, 2011, 02:35:56 AM
It's generally believed that giving a character a questionable trait in society adds depth to a character, but honestly that doesn't make sense at all, not to me anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 09, 2011, 05:53:41 AM
Lol, if Lex Luthor's gay now then that just gives him more reason for wanting Superman so bad  :XD:, or Batman.

Just saw this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4132-Continanity-Rebooted). Thought it was interesting. Pretty much have the same opinion.

OMG, he's right  o_O!
If it wasn't for someone I met about a year ago telling me how different the comics were from the cartoons, I would've NEVER thought about reading a comic book. Plus, the reboot happening with most of the same history still happening kinda sucks. They're in a completely new universe and they're going to retell some of the same stories just to let you know what still happened.
I still "kind of" disagree on the where to start part, because "I" pretty much want to know everything that happened and not just the oh so important ones.

But this is me assuming that everything he said, aside from opinions, was true.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 09, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
I really liked the part about starting anywhere. Honestly the books and history are older than me and I have gone to wikis just to clear things up. It can actually be part of the fun.

I think that the best thing he said is that comics need to advertise outside the medium in order to reach new readers. Not reboot. I mean, I rarely start a tv series at the first episode. But if I like it I find out more about it.

I did recall seeing a trailer for the DCnU last week though. That was neat.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on September 09, 2011, 08:34:26 AM
I'm gonna read batgirl and detective tomorrow after work, I'm also going to submit some stories to marvel and dc that I wrote and plan on finalizing soon. I'm aiming high! but expecting low-ness, but whatever can't hurt to keep trying to pursue my dream, maybe one day you guys will be having discussions about my stories in the dc or marvel verse : O
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 12, 2011, 05:39:48 PM
Good Luck! Always aim high!

Turns out DC knew what they were doing after all.
Justice League (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/august-2011-comic-book-sales-110912.html) was a best seller in a successful sales (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-touts-new-52-sales-success-110912.html) month.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 12, 2011, 09:10:50 PM
Also, oficially in The New 52 (and in part in Flashpoint event), Wildstorm was absorved by DC, some of his characters are there: Grifter (most know to be part of Wildcats team), Voodoo and Stormwatch (with Martian manhunter as part of the group)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 13, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
talking again about the flash, does he has any rivals, i mean he is overpowered as fuck and he makes sueprman look like a retarded kid.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2011, 08:53:01 PM
talking again about the flash, does he has any rivals, i mean he is overpowered as fuck and he makes sueprman look like a retarded kid.
The Flash has a group of villians called The Rogues, who are kinda like a dysfunctional family of sorts.
Wikipedia said:
The Rogues, compared to similar collections of supervillains in the DC Universe, are an unusually social group, maintaining a code of conduct as well as high standards for acceptance.

But they're almost exclusively non-powered villains who use gadgets and stuff. There are a few villains who have similar powers to the Flash(es); they are usually known as the Reverse-Flashes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 13, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
Is the Reverse-Flash one of those Reverse-Flashes >.>?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 13, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
But they're almost exclusively non-powered villains who use gadgets and stuff. There are a few villains who have similar powers to the Flash(es); they are usually known as the Reverse-Flashes.
Yeah, and apart of the Rogues and the Zoom people (Prof. Eobard Thawne (the original one), Hunter Zolomon (second Zoom, rival of Wally West) and Inertia (a.k.a. Bart Allen's clone and also known as Kid Zoom)), there's Gorilla Grood (and his army of... well, gorillas) and some others who can manage the Speed Force, like Savitar or Hot Pursuit
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 16, 2011, 05:29:04 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=34415

THE. FUCK!
SERIOUSLY! ALL OF MY RAGE!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 26, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
OK, I already read some of The New 52 and this is my opinion about some of these:
-Animal Man story is so sick
-Grifter is still a badass
-Nightwing is still Nightwing pre-Batman. And it's still badass
-Superboy it's like reading some Masamune Shirow story. And Caitlin Fairchild from Gen13 has no tits nor ass and it's a doctor who cares about Superboy project
-Starfire from Red Hood and the Outlaws is a amnesiac bitch who only thinks in dick (literally)

That's from some of the titles I read. Also, some of their titles haven't be rebooted and continue with their last titles, like all Green Lantern stuff and some of these ones:
-Nightwing: after the comeback of Bruce, he left Batman person to get back to Nightwing
-Grifter: he's a con-artist now, but still have his Team 7/WildC.A.T.S. past
-Animal Man story continues his Vertigo line, even he has the blue outfit with the white A
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Loud Howard on September 26, 2011, 09:14:17 PM
i know only that Catwoman and Starfire had sex!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
Catwoman and Starfire have become STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS (http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=311), it seems.  :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Loud Howard on September 27, 2011, 05:04:24 PM
(http://fabricadequadrinhos.uol.com.br/antimateria/images_big/19/19780/00.jpg)
(http://fabricadequadrinhos.uol.com.br/antimateria/images_big/19/19780/02.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 28, 2011, 12:31:44 AM
Awsomes  :sugoi:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 12:56:23 AM
Awsomes  :sugoi:
.................................

yeah that is NOT the correct reaction
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 28, 2011, 01:03:08 AM
Then I'll wait with my "Awsomes  :sugoi:" on the side till I hear any other reactions  ::).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 28, 2011, 01:06:14 AM
Awsomes  :sugoi:
.................................

yeah that is NOT the correct reaction

yeah that should have been robin instead of catwoman, or at least nightwing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 28, 2011, 01:12:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vL9hq.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xvwiv.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:14:15 AM
Then I'll wait with my "Awsomes  :sugoi:" on the side till I hear any other reactions  ::).
Well how about the fact that the point of the reboot was to expand the audience? And those two comics are really fucking insulting to women? And therefore kinda self defeating? (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/)

but who cares look ass and tittys lol who cares about the future of the comics industry when i can fap to fictional two dimensional women
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: SnowShingo on September 28, 2011, 01:15:40 AM
The New DC 52 : Presented by Frank "All women are evil sluts" Miller
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 28, 2011, 01:18:16 AM
^ That reminds me his The Spirit movie :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:20:50 AM

(http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2006-02-07-whores.png)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 01:21:07 AM
insulting to women?
*cringes*

*even more so because a male is saying it*
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:22:15 AM
*cringes*

*even more so because a male is saying it*
Oh come on dude. Look at the panels.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 01:30:11 AM
Have you ever thought that saying "offensive to women" is bullshit because:

A) It means asuming that half of the world's population thinks exactly the same way.
B) There's a small ammount of women that actually are that way, and most likely largely ammount of them that aren't, but still wouldn't be offended/wouldn't care.
C) A) is kinda sexist itself.
D) You're a man and thus not qualified to say what women may find offensive.

In the end it offends women that dislike overly sexualized characters, not all women.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:32:20 AM
D) You're a man and thus not qualified to say what women may find offensive
It's called empathy.

In the end it offends women that dislike overly sexualized characters, not all women.
Which is the VAST MAJORITY of women.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: SnowShingo on September 28, 2011, 01:32:48 AM
It offends me because if I knew I could get a job with DC writing horrible, over-sexualized fanfiction, I would have jumped on that boat years ago.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 01:33:13 AM
Um...J, have you seen this thing called TV?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:34:48 AM
Um...have you seen this thing called TV?
What does that have to do with anything? Just because some TV shows do it, it's OK for comics to do it too?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 28, 2011, 01:37:33 AM
but who cares look ass and tittys lol who cares about the future of the comics industry when i can fap to fictional two dimensional women

Agreed  ;D.


Regardless as to whatever you think about the characteristics of the revised characters or (basara x) what type of role model they've become, I really don't care.
By that, all I'm saying is that if it can entertain me for a few seconds then I'll look into it, and if by DC doing this, loses them customers and then one day they go bankrupt and no longer publish their characters (or retcon/reboot them again), then that's their loss, not mine. DC already screwed my opinion of them by retconing/rebooting so much stuff, same as Marvel. My opinion about them doesn't mean shit, I already know and love most of the characters and whether or not I like them, I'll keep an interest for them for life.

Um...have you seen this thing called TV?
What does that have to do with anything? Just because some TV shows do it, it's OK for comics to do it too?

Yes
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 01:41:08 AM
Um...have you seen this thing called TV?
What does that have to do with anything? Just because some TV shows do it, it's OK for comics to do it too?
No. What I mean is that over sexualized and/or promiscous characters and real life celebrities are in fact extremely popular among women.

Also you're mad because this means more tits in your precious men-in-spandex stash.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:44:03 AM
No. What I mean is that over sexualized and/or promiscous characters and real life celebrities are in fact extremely popular among women.
Extremely popular? Yes.
Among women? Says who?

stop posting forever
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: SnowShingo on September 28, 2011, 01:44:41 AM
Women are only good for fuckin', cookin', and shittin' out babies. Also spending money that isn't theirs, getting all kinds of plastic surgery, and making sex tapes.  :dealwithit:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 28, 2011, 01:48:48 AM
Maybe his point is that if you're going to make a skimpy clothed slutty girl, then you'd have to do something similar to a guy. Since men are normally already sluts, you'd have to give him an outfit such as:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/male-star-sapphire.jpg)
(Star Sapphire on left, Star Sapphire-Hal Jordan on right)
:XD:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on September 28, 2011, 01:49:56 AM
Guys if you're going to post pages from comics that have sex in it you could at least have the decency to give the name and issue number >:(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 28, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Teen Titans #1 and Batman#1....or something like that, they're all issue number 1.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 01:52:27 AM
No. What I mean is that over sexualized and/or promiscous characters and real life celebrities are in fact extremely popular among women.
Extremely popular? Yes.
Among women? Says who?

Admittedly I don't have any reliable source to support this, but you have to admit it sounds farfetch'ed to believe that the whole "sex sells" thing is caused only by men.

btw, wanna make a topic out of this?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 28, 2011, 01:56:13 AM
Admittedly I don't have any reliable source to support this, but you have to admit it sounds farfetch'ed to believe that the whole "sex sells" thing is caused only by men.
For female characters, yes. Well straight men and lesbians, I guess.

btw, wanna make a topic out of this?
and not talk about comics are you crazy
(real answer: no not really)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on September 28, 2011, 01:59:51 AM
topic out fo it would be more interesting, since its not limited to dc.

Also, we are talking star fire here, right?
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9055/1266032-1021873_starfire_super_super.jpg)
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/351631-135339-starfire_super.jpg)
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4f5xrqKAY1qc7r93o1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on September 28, 2011, 02:05:07 AM
Also, we are talking star fire here, right?
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9055/1266032-1021873_starfire_super_super.jpg)

(http://pteforums.com/images/smilies/icon_rofl.gif)


(also, anyone care to explain why the marvel topic doesn't have this many replies?)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 02:12:19 AM
Admittedly I don't have any reliable source to support this, but you have to admit it sounds farfetch'ed to believe that the whole "sex sells" thing is caused only by men.
For female characters, yes. Well straight men and lesbians, I guess.

What about the ever growing demographic of dull-headed female teenagers? You know, the same one that keeps poorly talented sex symbols profitable for record labels, movie studios and the like?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 28, 2011, 02:15:41 AM
Guys if you're going to post pages from comics that have sex in it you could at least have the decency to give the name and issue number >:(
Red Hood and the Outlaws 01 and Catwoman 01, there's a lot of it :twisted:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on September 28, 2011, 03:59:26 AM
Women are only good for fuckin', cookin', and shittin' out babies. Also spending money that isn't theirs, getting all kinds of plastic surgery, and making sex tapes.  :dealwithit:

You forgot cleanin'

And you need to edit that dwi Guile gif into Duke Nukem.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 28, 2011, 12:36:12 PM
To be fair... we are talking about Catwoman and Starfire here. Starfire. That cartoon be damned, she has always been over sexualised. And mist of her characterization that I can remember revolved around her love/obsession with Dick. And Catwoman has been a sex symbol for generations last I checked so... yeah.
Still it was a little over the top in Catwoman 01 but I got a good chuckle from it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Loud Howard on September 28, 2011, 04:36:41 PM
To be fair... we are talking about Catwoman and Starfire here. Starfire. That cartoon be damned, she has always been over sexualised. And mist of her characterization that I can remember revolved around her love/obsession with Dick.

Zone helped with that :twisted:

now its strange to see Superman Miner, farmer, Worker! and half-Lesbo Wonder Homan!

(http://fabricadequadrinhos.uol.com.br/antimateria/images_big/19/19309/00.jpg)
(http://fabricadequadrinhos.uol.com.br/antimateria/images_big/19/19789/02.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Alhambra on September 29, 2011, 06:01:44 AM
I finally read Teen Titans today. And yes, I hate the costume designs even more now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on January 31, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/01/30/dc-captain-marvel-name-change-shazam/

Fuck you DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2012, 08:52:27 PM
:wall:

How the fuck can he say what his name is now?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 31, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
That's not terrible. THIS IS REALLY TERRIBLE

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/rob-liefeld-deathstroke-hawkman-grifter-120118.html

Fuck you DC.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on January 31, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Have you ever thought that saying "offensive to women" is bullshit because:

A) It means asuming that half of the world's population thinks exactly the same way.
B) There's a small ammount of women that actually are that way, and most likely largely ammount of them that aren't, but still wouldn't be offended/wouldn't care.
C) A) is kinda sexist itself.
D) You're a man and thus not qualified to say what women may find offensive.

In the end it offends women that dislike overly sexualized characters, not all women.

I agree with this.
I read the article and saw the pages, while she has a point, there's definitely alot of randomly added BS in there.

And like some others said, there's also the insanely muscled male characters in spandex whose basically usually nothing more than empowerment to the men as well(Female characters aren't the only ones with a problem here, they are just the easiest to spot), even with the character development they had, especially the long runners(Superman, Batman, Wolverine for example), everyone usually only cares how badass they are, not the conflicts they go through which makes them better for it.

Hell you can easily go on about how oversexualized Catwoman and Starfire has gotten, but it's another bag of worms to suggest that men are mainly there for male empowerment(I doubt anyone would live Batman's life, but I know they would want to live his life)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on January 31, 2012, 11:51:46 PM
:wall:

How the fuck can he say what his name is now?

The writers will probably change it so:

A) He only changes into his superhero persona when yelling the name.
B) When doing an specific pose.
C) He can change at will.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 12:42:06 AM
If they just say he takes over the spot of the wizard Shazam somehow, then yeah, he could easily change at will. Either way that problem already existed when he was called Captain Marvel (a name that just plain sucked of old and lame either way, he was "captain" for no reason other than it was cool in that era) and just wanted to talk with the wizard and calling him Shazam. Like, hey Shazzy, wanna grab a beer ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 12:55:52 AM
And like some others said, there's also the insanely muscled male characters in spandex whose basically usually nothing more than empowerment to the men as well(Female characters aren't the only ones with a problem here, they are just the easiest to spot)
Yeah, every little girl's dream is to walk around naked and not be able to tell people apart and have no memories. And also have meaningless sex with random dudes. It's every little girl's dream. ::)


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 12:59:02 AM
Yes, because we all know that doing a comic about what girls dream of / their ideal representation, the same way guys see their ideal representation, would not be horribly fucking boring and a completely new genre unrelated to everything that's existed so far. Shoujo comics are now born. I hope you're happy and proud ! Next time we'll get yaoi comics and adult everyday life comics. Thank you for your insight.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 02:11:04 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/01/watch.jpg
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2012, 02:14:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Watchmen sequel ? Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 02:19:11 AM
They're actually doing it?

jesus wept
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 02:25:54 AM
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Cue in this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2AC447Wqc0
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 02:30:17 AM
Oh for fucks sake, JMS is involved? I can't even remember the last thing he did that was good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2012, 02:49:24 AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/12/watchmen213.jpg)

(http://nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/watchmen2.jpg)

In the immortal words of Daffy Duck:  I demand that you shoot me now. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 02:50:40 AM
Dude just pretend its watchmex, you know watchmex, right?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2012, 03:05:04 AM
I can't say that I do.  Nor that I particularly want to.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 03:15:44 AM
watchmex was created by /co/ as a parody of bad sequels, it was always described as a sequel of watchmen where everything went wrong.
(http://images.wikia.com/watchmex/images/9/92/Watchmex_knightowl.jpg)

Everyone acted as if it was a real thing and the reason why we didnt discuss sequels to watchmen. you can probably find more stuff around if you google it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2012, 03:30:39 AM
:stare:

Jeezus.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on February 01, 2012, 04:23:13 AM
And like some others said, there's also the insanely muscled male characters in spandex whose basically usually nothing more than empowerment to the men as well(Female characters aren't the only ones with a problem here, they are just the easiest to spot)
Yeah, every little girl's dream is to walk around naked and not be able to tell people apart and have no memories. And also have meaningless sex with random dudes. It's every little girl's dream. ::)

Woah woah woah....I didn't mean the Starfire situation, that is it's own damn problems.
I was mainly talking about the sexism thing in comics in general, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on February 01, 2012, 07:15:54 AM
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/01/watch.jpg)
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This and the watchmen thing is far more interesting than you talking about what you think about genders and comics <_<, drop it, agree to disagree even if you both don't know what exactly you disagree about -_-.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 10:01:08 AM
Quote and copy-paste the link, it works. Or just go to the site (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/01/31/dc-comics-announce-something-big-tomorrow/).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gate on February 01, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/01/will-watchmen-be-announced-today-azzarello-bermejo-rorschach-series/

Rorschach by Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo

Comedian by Brian Azzarello and JG Jones)

Minutemen by Darwyn Cooke

Silk Spectre by Darwyn Cooke and Amanda Conner

Doctor Manhattan by J Michael Straczynski and Adam Hughes

Nite Owl by Joe Michael Strazynski (and presumably Andy and Joe Kubert)

Ozymandias by Len Wein and Jae Lee.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 04:38:42 PM
That's really good talent (JMS excluded) but this is just... wrong.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 04:41:21 PM
Because... ? Everyone keeps saying that but I keep missing the argument for that. Other than the original is a finished story, but that doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2012, 04:51:19 PM
As far as I'm concerned, it's because it's so utterly unnecessary.  There are no more Watchmen stories that need to be told.  All of these prequels just reek of some marketing department guys saying "People like Watchmen, right?  Just make some more of that."

Also, breaking the Watchmen mythos into several different series of individual character-based adventures kind of misses the entire point of Watchmen in the most spectacularly stupid way possible.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
there is several ways to go about it. since it was built as a deconstruction to comics, having it all under the same writer makes it stand out as a finished work.


Originally the watchmen thing was going to be written under older characters they got from charleston, but they decided against it in order to make it a thing that readers could pick up and learn all that there was to learn about the characters there, with no baggage other than the implied directly.


I dont see it like a huge tragedy or anything, but its a really weird scenario to continue a story like that . With its beginning and ending completely polished.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 05:12:15 PM
All of these prequels just reek of some marketing department guys saying "People like Watchmen, right?  Just make some more of that."
Well, yeah, it's pretty much that - in fact, one of the articles at Bleeding Cool about it quotes one of the authors who actually says basically that, he's not hiding it at all, he outright says "Warners want to use everything they can sell, and Watchmen was explicitely named". Smashing news.
But... Well I like it, so yeah, I'm not going to say no to more of it :blank: as long as it's well done, obviously. If it's just using the name for nothing interesting, then fuck that ; but if it uses the name and shows cool stuff with cool characters, then why the hell not, why am I supposed to complain if it's great.
Also, breaking the Watchmen mythos into several different series of individual character-based adventures kind of misses the entire point of Watchmen in the most spectacularly stupid way possible.
That was the point of the original material, yeah. But who's to say using the same characters, who are established in their own right as fully fledged and very interesting characters, can't have more to show in new material ? Capcom's Dan is a parody of SNK's Ryo and Robert, is Dan forbidden to grow his own new story ? The new stuff can even add more references to what it was originally deconstructing and keep going - the articles also say that, "they are a vision of things from that time, what can they say that's new to readers of 2012". Characters like Rorschach and Nite Owl, in completely opposite directions, can each have awesome stuff to show, while sticking to what they were originally deconstructing. I'd want that.

tl;dr how dare they make new, good stuff from what I like and sell it to me
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 05:18:15 PM
Think about it from a writer perspective as well, there will be people that want their name to go down in history associated with a famous franchise ( that always happens) and will try to introduce their own clever spins into the characters canon.

Being DC, they are not known for good editorial control, you are likely to have stories about how rorscharch feels really bad about the doggies he killed, or silk spectre being a liberated woman that needs no one, or any other sort of combination that doesnt make any sense at all in the final story they are supposed to preclude.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 05:24:21 PM
Think about it from a writer perspective as well
One of the BC articles also has a good quote about that.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/01/before-watchmen-gallery-quote-file/ said:
JMS - “The harder, and riskier path is to reconsider and relaunch every major title in your library, or in this case, to bring back characters and a universe no one has dared touch in 25 years and say, “Okay, what can these characters tell us about the world we live in as seen through the eyes of readers in 2012 that’s new? What can we learn from them? What kinds of stories can we tell about them now that we couldn’t tell 25 years ago?” It’s a gutsy move, any way you want to slice it… A lot of folks feel that these characters shouldn’t be touched by anyone other than Alan, and while that’s absolutely understandable on an emotional level, it’s deeply flawed on a logical level. Based on durability and recognition, one could make the argument that Superman is the greatest comics character ever created. But neither Alan nor anyone else has ever suggested that no one other than Shuster and Siegel should ever be allowed to write Superman. Alan didn’t pass on being brought on to write Swamp Thing, a seminal comics character created by Len Wein, and he did a terrific job. He didn’t say “No, no, I can’t, that’s Len’s character.” Nor should he have.”

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Being DC, they are not known for good editorial control, you are likely to have stories about how rorscharch feels really bad about the doggies he killed
Ah, that's a different matter altogether. There's the whole issue about "is it RIGHT to restart these characters" and then there's "will it be good". If they do what you say, then it'll be shit, and we'll scream at them for doing shitty comics. But if they don't, there's nothing but profit for everyone. It's the same for Superman or Batman, when someone makes a shitty comic about them in the same light as what you describe, does it stick or does it tank ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 05:28:48 PM
"looks at title"

Its dc, it sticks.
They reverted Power girl from a sassy sexy funny hero into non powered arm candy for Mr terrific.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
Isn't that very recent ? And, I had to look up what you said in Wikipedia, and it also adds that she's scheduled to return in another series (teamed with Huntress), so who knows, maybe the phase you described will be only short-lived and not stick.
Beside, I'm reading (have to check it up on Wikipedia since I'm not up to date with what comes out in the US)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Girl said:
During "New 52" relaunch of the DC Comics line, Karen Starr appears in the Mister Terrific series
=> *goes to Mr. Terrific page*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Terrific_%28Michael_Holt%29#Solo_series said:
In September 2011, Mister Terrific was chosen to receive an ongoing series written by Eric Wallace and drawn by Roger Robinson as part of DC's massive reboot 'The New 52.' [...] On January 12, 2012, DC announced that they will be ending six of the lowest selling New 52 titles in April and replacing them by six different titles in the revamp's second wave.
=> *back to Power Girl page*
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Power Girl will appear in a new ongoing series Worlds' Finest with the first issue scheduled to be published in May 2012. She will be partnered with Huntress
September to January/April, looks like that phase you describe didn't stick much.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on February 01, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
You bring up some really good points there.  I guess I'm just a proponent of leaving well enough alone, is all.  When something is done well enough, it should be allowed to stand on its own.

Like I said, I just can't really picture any Watchmen stories that really need to be told.  Sure, it's important to understand what Rorschach does, but I don't think there's anything to be gained by examining specifically what he did.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Yeah, I won't deny that the original comic / the movie is its own finished thing which was godly, it had references to past events but it didn't need to expand on them. It's not Superman who has a Lex arc, a Zod arc, a Doomsday arc, a Darkseid arc to talk about separately. The way I see it, what Nite Owl could be about is the kind of guy you could expect to get a beer gut, putting on a cape and being nothing of what Batman is. It wouldn't get to cosmic fights, Rorschach would do nothing more than random detective stuff and slaughtering child killers, Ozymandias would be busy being clever, and Silk Specter, being useless. There will be major antagonists like Moloch, but it can't be bigger than the original story. I do however expect to see the masochistic attention whore guy whom Rorschach dumped in an elevator shaft.
I don't have anything against the concept of restarting stories for each of them... As long as it's done right. Sure, it has to be done right. But if it is, well, that's just cool.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
Alan Moore's reaction:

The New York Times said:
Mr. Moore, who has disassociated himself from DC Comics and the industry at large, called the new venture “completely shameless.”

Speaking by telephone from his home in Northampton, England, Mr. Moore said, “I tend to take this latest development as a kind of eager confirmation that they are still apparently dependent on ideas that I had 25 years ago.”
[...]
“As far as I know,” he said, “there weren’t that many prequels or sequels to ‘Moby-Dick.’ ”

Hurm. I kind of hate it when Moore says stuff like this, about how no one in the industry today has any creativity anymore. So when Jason Aaron told him to shut the fuck up (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30200), I was glad someone finally spoke up about this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 07:30:45 PM
Yeah, did someone warn him that Superman and Captain America are still around having new stories after over 70 years ? HIDDEN TEXT HERE==>I know, these two were made for stories designed to be episodic while this was a single finished story, but he's talking about age
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 08:33:15 PM
Alan Moore is an insane old hippie, but he's right. They're writing prequels to his self-contained story, if I had written Watchmen I wouldn't be happy either.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
That'd make you a self-important jackass who doesn't realize that's how the comic industry is in the first place, and already was when you entered it so why did you even think you'd escape it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
You're only saying that because it's a "cape" comic. What if they were writing a V for Vendetta prequel?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on February 01, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
The Bible: Before Genesis.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 08:56:02 PM
You're only saying that because it's a "cape" comic. What if they were writing a V for Vendetta prequel?
I'm not saying that because it's a cape comic (why do you even think that ?) and I wouldn't care if they wrote a prequel for V. What about writing a prequel for Alien ? What about writing a prequel for Fate/stay night ? What about writing a prequel for a ton of other novels and games and movies ? Unless the original story went from the character's birth to their death, as long as it's good and doesn't just plainly destroy everything that was in the original, the concept of writing more about the same characters has absolutely nothing wrong in itself. You're only worried they'll screw it up, which is not the same thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 08:57:05 PM
Alan Moore is an insane old hippie, but he's right. They're writing prequels to his self-contained story, if I had written Watchmen I wouldn't be happy either.
But I'm sure Lewis Carroll, L. Frank Baum, and J. M. Barrie would be thrilled to learn about how the characters from their own self-contained stories were used in Moore's crazy porn comic, Lost Girls.

They'd especially love all the orgies.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 08:59:39 PM
OH SNAP
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
Also, TWITTER REACTIONS

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Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 09:07:57 PM
I'm not saying that because it's a cape comic (why do you even think that ?)
Since superheroes get new stories written about them by several different authors and their series go on forever. But Watchmen was self-contained and doesn't need prequels or sequels, indeed they would/will cheapen the original work, especially since they aren't even from the original writer.

But I'm sure Lewis Carroll, L. Frank Baum, and J. M. Barrie would be thrilled to learn about how the characters from their own self-contained stories were used in Moore's crazy porn comic, Lost Girls.

They'd especially love all the orgies.

Fair point. But that's more like intertextuality gone wrong than a real sequel to any of those stories.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
Some people are saying that the comparisons between Lost Girls and League of Extraordinary Gentleman is unfair because those two use stuff from the public domain, the creators are dead, and that Moore's versions are not direct sequels.

I don't buy it. But this project still feels wrong.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
I'm not saying that because it's a cape comic (why do you even think that ?)
Since superheroes get new stories written about them by several different authors and their series go on forever. But Watchmen was self-contained and doesn't need prequels or sequels, indeed they would/will cheapen the original work, especially since they aren't even from the original writer.
... And... Why do you think I'm only saying that because it's a cape comic ?



If you said that Lost Girls is not intended as anything "canon" or even serious I'd accept it (League is really saying it's those characters as they are in canon) (then again I don't know Lost Girls), but the fact that the authors are dead and the originals are public domain is completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
Because I think you're treating it like any cape comic when it's really not. That's why I put cape between quotation marks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 09:19:16 PM
I don't treat it like a cape comic, I treat it like every story that has ever been written. I named in my examples books and games that have absolutely nothing to do with cape comic. Cape comics aren't even part of my cultures to begin with, so no, I don't treat it like cape comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 09:26:31 PM
What about writing a prequel for Alien ? What about writing a prequel for Fate/stay night ? What about writing a prequel for a ton of other novels and games and movies ?
I think that sequels/prequels should only be written by the original author.  It didn't matter much with Alien though since it was just a sci-fi monster movie from Hollywood.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on February 01, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
But I'm sure Lewis Carroll, L. Frank Baum, and J. M. Barrie would be thrilled to learn about how the characters from their own self-contained stories were used in Moore's crazy porn comic, Lost Girls.

They'd especially love all the orgies.


Carroll maybe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 09:33:23 PM
What about writing a prequel for Alien ? What about writing a prequel for Fate/stay night ? What about writing a prequel for a ton of other novels and games and movies ?
I think that sequels/prequels should only be written by the original author.  It didn't matter much with Alien though since it was just a sci-fi monster movie from Hollywood.
There's like five trillion titles (novels, games, movies, whatever) that have characters reused in another work (sequel, prequel or just as secondary characters), in or out of public domain as long as the new author has the rights. I don't know what else there is to say other than grow up.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 09:38:33 PM
Doesn't mean I have to like it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 09:39:04 PM
Cool. Doesn't mean you're right in saying it's wrong / they shouldn't do it. Or in saying that "I'm only saying that because it's a cape comic".
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 09:42:54 PM
I did my best in trying to remember to write "I think" to express whatever I said as my opinion. It's really hard though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 09:43:59 PM
Byakko, Power girl, and a lot of other books were doing fine before the big reboot, they have absolutely no idea about what is working or what is not and judge books based on sales and not quality. 

Dc is really bad at controlling its own continuity, remember a couple years ago when marvel gave spider-man a continuity cleanup on one thing and marvel fans were angry? Dc does that regularly, every few years they completely eliminate whole continuities and do a new reprint of a new origin for this and that and its awful .

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly8rpnTTmA1qzpegpo1_500.png)

Prequels about a contained series like watchmen are likely to devalue the content of the comic because they will add more canon to the characters, likely with attempts to make them "deeper".
Not every writer is good at handling subjects like war, women, or even murder, but they will all want to tackle the deepest shit so that they leave a mark on history. If I wanted to see that I would go to a fanfiction site and read about one of the hundreds of stories where Rorcharch finds love and becomes more human.


But, well... the american audience hated the ending of the movie, they were confused about who the hero was and why rorcharch was dead instead of ozymandias, so aiming for that audience i can already smell what dc is cooking.


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 09:44:46 PM
I did my best in trying to remember to write "I think" to express whatever I said as my opinion. It's really hard though.
And... It's still not right. Yes sir, opinions can be wrong too !

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Dc is really bad at controlling its own continuity, remember a couple years ago when marvel gave spider-man a continuity cleanup on one thing and marvel fans were angry? Dc does that regularly, every few years they completely eliminate whole continuities and do a new reprint of a new origin for this and that and its awful .
In principle I see nothing wrong with rebooting continuities, considering how convoluted (that's nice word for "fucked up") they easily get in comics (starting with the lack of aging). Power Girl was awesome though, so yes, doing what you described was bad, but at least they're reverting that.

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But, well... the american audience hated the ending of the movie, they were confused about who the hero was and why rorcharch was dead instead of ozymandias, so aiming for that audience i can already smell what dc is cooking.
?? I have no idea where it says they're aiming for that audience specifically :???: Plus Watchmen has always been successful because of that story, including that ending, so who cares about atheist fatass n00bs who got confused :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 09:49:22 PM
you are misunderstanding. they arent reverting power girl, they are starting a new power girl with none of the canon of the old one.


edit: Watchmen wasnt sucessful as a cinema movie, it didnt completely bombed ( too much gravitas to bomb ) but it wasnt sucessful. Dc has been aiming more and more at what they think their core audience wants, with all those revisions and ... Watchmen is not the kind of story the american public wants.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 01, 2012, 09:52:16 PM
I mean they're going back to the formula before the shitty one. I don't exactly care if they're starting something new or continuing the same story as before, as long as it goes back to the sassy sexy funny formula. It's a fighting game comics. I don't care about story continuity. Well, I like continuity, but I'm fine with them ditching it the reward is going back to being good.

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edit: Watchmen wasnt sucessful as a cinema movie, it didnt completely bombed ( too much gravitas to bomb ) but it wasnt sucessful. Dc has been aiming more and more at what they think their core audience wants, with all those revisions and ... Watchmen is not the kind of story the american public wants.
Ah, NOW that's a different and interesting point. Dunno what to say about that, I guess we'll have to wait if they do it good anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 01, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
Power girl, and a lot of other books were doing fine before the big reboot
I don't think Power Girl was selling as well after Winick took over.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 10:05:55 PM
Not every writer is good at handling subjects like war, women, or even murder, but they will all want to tackle the deepest shit so that they leave a mark on history. If I wanted to see that I would go to a fanfiction site and read about one of the hundreds of stories where Rorcharch finds love and becomes more human.
Oh come on. Darwyn Cooke, Brian Azzarello, Amanda Conner. Are you really gonna say with a straight face that their stuff is gonna be on the same level as some crappy fan fic?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
(http://files.list.co.uk/images/2007/04/23/spider-black-cat.jpg)
yeah big names means big things, remember that time millar and liefeld did a comic together?

http://shirtless-superheroes.blogspot.com/2007/08/youngblood-blowjobs.html
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 10:09:53 PM
http://files.list.co.uk/images/2007/04/23/spider-black-cat.jpg
yeah big names means big things, remember that time millar and liefeld did a comic together?
Are you seriously comparing Kevin fucking Smith to the Darwyn fucking Cooke?!?!?!?!

REALLY?!?!?!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 01, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Good move DC. Making news about Watchmen prequels to everyone forget the fact that Liefeld will fuck up Deathstroke, Hawkman and Grifter in The New 52 since number 9

Also, thanks Byakko and Daeron for revive the thread with your discussion, for a long time the thread was dead until now. Just thanks :P

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2012/02/screen-shot-2012-02-01-at-9.26.26-am.png)
There's so much truth in this tweet, so much truth...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2012, 10:15:38 PM
I can post anything from dc recent years, i can post azzarelo joker, I can post a ton of things, anyone having a good name doesnt mean he wont be doing what the direction wants.


This is true for every company, One more day.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2012, 10:21:59 PM
I can post anything from dc recent years, i can post azzarelo joker, I can post a ton of things, anyone having a good name doesnt mean he wont be doing what the direction wants.
Azzarello is definitely the weakest of the three I listed, but c'mon. Everything Darwyn Cooke touches is GOLD.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 01, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
^ Totally agree, I loved his The Spirit reboot, the crossover Batman/The Spirit and how to forget DC: The Last Frontier :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 02, 2012, 06:55:44 PM
Oh, and double-posting...

What about the new THE RAY miniseries?? (with that new guy, Lucien Gates) I don't know, still prefer Ray Terrill, that's the first one I knew
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 04, 2012, 02:59:13 PM
good going dc you outdid yourself once again

spoiler, green lantern related, alan moore related.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 04, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
I heard about Red Lantern Alan Moore but thought it was a joke. Joke's on DC though, Red Lanterns are the true good guys.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 04, 2012, 07:13:33 PM
head -> desk
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 04, 2012, 09:41:41 PM
They shoudl have left that to leifield.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 05, 2012, 12:35:39 AM
This Jack Moore Red Lantern thing bothers people because... ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 05, 2012, 04:31:47 AM
This Jack Moore Red Lantern thing bothers people because... ?
Because it seems like a petty jab at Alan Moore.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 05, 2012, 04:42:08 AM
yeah, they should have gone all the way and have rob liefeld write a comic in which moore sucks a random character's cock
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 05, 2012, 08:05:21 AM
This Jack Moore Red Lantern thing bothers people because... ?

Moore was fucked over in sleazy moves from dc many years ago and was very vocal about it, its part of why he refuses to ever work for them again.
(long story short, in order to keep him working for them they kept promising him that they would give him the rights for what he was working on after the first edition finished selling, then changed it continuously trying to keep him interested in working for them until it become so that they would only revert rights to him of said material they werent printing for X years, thus leading him on so that he would keep working for them )


Making a character based on him appear on the company as a rage-filled monster is petty and dumb.

Imagine you worked for a company, they screwed you out of a promised bonus and kept promising more bonus if you put in more extra hours, you did them and they kept not paying you the promised bonuses until you left, then, after you left they put you on the pamphlets they sent to cilents as an example of a greedy dumb worker you wouldnt find on their company.

I think i might have overexplained this or made this too confusing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 05, 2012, 08:09:02 AM
Making a character based on him appear on the company as a rage-filled monster is petty and dumb.
A rage-filled monster that vomits up their own blood to attack.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 05, 2012, 01:22:39 PM
And fights for justice. Atrocitus was right!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 05, 2012, 01:28:32 PM
Imagine you worked for a company, they screwed you out of a promised bonus and kept promising more bonus if you put in more extra hours, you did them and they kept not paying you the promised bonuses until you left, then, after you left they put you on the pamphlets they sent to cilents as an example of a greedy dumb worker you wouldnt find on their company.
Wow that's bad :blank: well, this is bad. The Red Lantern thing is not that interesting. It's petty and :blank: worthy, maybe sadistic, but it's rather soft to me, at least compared to everything else you describe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Alan Moore responds to JMS. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/alan-moore-stands-up-for-stealing-other-peoples-ch,68911/)

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In literature, I would say that it's different. I would say, and it might be splitting hairs, but I'm not adapting these characters. I'm not doing an adaptation of Dracula or King Solomon's Mines. What I am doing is stealing them. There is a difference between doing an adaptation, which is evil, and actually stealing the characters, which, as long as everybody's dead or you don't mention the names, is perfectly alright by me. I'm not trying to be glib here, I genuinely do feel that in literature you've got a tradition that goes back to Jason And The Argonauts of combining literary characters [...] It's just irresistible to do these fictional mash-ups. They've been going on for hundreds of years and I feel I'm a part of a proud literary tradition in doing that. With taking comic characters that have been created by cheated old men, I feel that that is different [...] And that's my take on the subject.

Umm, OK.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 07, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
Quote
There is a difference between doing an adaptation, which is evil, and actually stealing the characters, which, as long as everybody's dead or you don't mention the names, is perfectly alright by me.
We should introduce him to the Mugen community.
Or to law, with the terms he uses.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 07, 2012, 09:39:07 PM
He already adapted the Rorsoarch test to a comic character, so he stealed the last name of a famous Swiss psychiatrist. Also:
Quoting Wikipedia said:
Rorschach was created by Watchmen writer Alan Moore with artist Dave Gibbons, but as with most of the central characters in the series, he was an analogue for a Charlton Comics character, in this case Steve Ditko's The Question, and Ditko's small press character Mr. A.
The donkey talking about ears...

Also... c'mon Moore, why didn't you registered Watchmen as an author's creation instead of giving it all rights to DC if you know someday would do something like that??
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
The contract Moore and Gibbons signed would revert the rights to them once the book went out of print for a year. And given that Watchmen practically invented the market for graphic novels, no one expected that the book wouldn't go out of print. But it was a runaway success, and DC kept printing copies; Moore feels like this loophole was a violation of the spirit of the contract.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 07, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Like Sony keeps dishing out Spiderman and X-Men movies every year ?
@Grifter : it started like that for all the characters, they're all expies from one previous character that they couldn't get the rights for, so they went and made new characters completely copying them instead.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2012, 10:02:27 PM
@Grifter : it started like that for all the characters, they're all expies from one previous character that they couldn't get the rights for, so they went and made new characters completely copying them instead.
They did have the rights, and they were planning on using them, giving them a gritty reboot. But somewhere along the line they were changed to original characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 08, 2012, 01:43:54 AM
Yeah, I remembered that possible sequel that ends in nothing. Until now that DC goes for the prequel...

@Grifter : it started like that for all the characters, they're all expies from one previous character that they couldn't get the rights for, so they went and made new characters completely copying them instead.
That's what bothers me, if he didn't want to get "his" characters and story used, he should be registered as his creation instead giving it all to DC. But as someone said in Twitter, I prefer this Watchmen prequel than almost all The New 52 stuff
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 08, 2012, 01:46:17 AM
he should be registered as his creation instead giving it all to DC.
I don't think you know how comics work. Creator's rights were virtually unheard of back in the 80's. Besides, I already posted about this >:[
The contract Moore and Gibbons signed would revert the rights to them once the book went out of print for a year. And given that Watchmen practically invented the market for graphic novels, no one expected that the book wouldn't go out of print. But it was a runaway success, and DC kept printing copies; Moore feels like this loophole was a violation of the spirit of the contract.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 08, 2012, 01:54:22 AM
Strange, I read in 80s the rights still got back to authors, I was unaware of that :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on March 07, 2012, 06:53:15 PM
Well, since nobody posted it before, I'll leave this here:
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/03/06/dc-entertainment-launches-new-websites

Few days ago, DC launched his new blog website with the new turnpage logo and the exclusive of Before Watchmen, and even they made a page about them (http://www.dccomics.com/watchmen) with a new art by Lee Bermejo
Title: DC Entertainment halted because of shootings?
Post by: Retro Respecter on July 31, 2012, 09:16:22 PM
Ever since the recent attack and shooting at Colorado, DC Entertainment has all but stoppped. There is no news from any of their social networks and main sites. I also believe that they may have stopped printing new material (even when most of their storeis are midway completion). Do you think that these shootings and DC Entertainment "stopping all presses" is a coincidence, or do you believe that these shooters who call themselves Jokers planned to stop everything in DC Entertainment?
Title: Re: DC Entertainment halted because of shootings?
Post by: Titiln on July 31, 2012, 09:28:10 PM
https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=dc+entertainment they're just delaying a comic. why couldn't you do quick research before making a thread. i hate you
Title: Re: DC Entertainment halted because of shootings?
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 31, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
I think dc entertainment is gonna declare bankrupticy because of the shootings, or at least that's what it would take to make this a good post by uche .
Title: Re: DC Entertainment halted because of shootings?
Post by: GOH on July 31, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
Yet another brilliant contribution by Professor Uche.
Title: Re: DC Entertainment halted because of shootings?
Post by: Dalek Basara on July 31, 2012, 11:13:17 PM
As I know, DC has afraid (a little) about The Man of Steel premiere for possible stuff like in The Dark Knight Rises, but those're only rumours like the no exhibition of TDKR. Also, why is this here since there's a DC thread for talk about this (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=129921.0)?? (mods merge plz)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Person Man on July 31, 2012, 11:19:27 PM
Done.  Uche, do try and put a little more thought into things before you make a whole damn thread about them.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on July 31, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
Thanks Person, that was fast ;P

I hope to see during this week The Dark Knight Rises (I saw sunday The Dark Knight, was awesome seeing it again)... someone saw the Man of Steel trailer for those ones who already saw TDKR??
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 01, 2012, 04:44:09 AM
Spoiler: Explanation (click to see content)
So I want to hear from someone else what they think about the "visual" "graphics", "not story", of Young Justice and the DC Animated Films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies) since 2007's Superman: Doomsday, and also Marvel's animated movies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics#Animated_films) (minus Iron Man and next avengers, it's not that their graphics weren't good, I just didn't really like them).

Again, I'm asking more of your opinion of the graphics and less of your thoughts on the movie and story itself.

And then can you tell me of any other shows and movies with great graphics. I'm looking for 2d, not 3d and not disney or Wakfu, and if you feel the urge to list an anime, make sure you mention that it's an anime.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 01, 2012, 06:07:26 PM
I think all DC Animated movies still use the line of Batman and Superman's animated series, as well Justice League series. Actually there's no difference for me about them, except for those 3: Teen Titans, Young Justice and Batman: Gotham Knight (the anime) who follow a different line
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 01, 2012, 08:35:05 PM
The art styles of the DC animated movies are nothing like the DCAU. Usually it's based on the original artist of the storyling they're adapting.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/941/Handsomeface_original.jpg)
you wouldn't see this in the DCAU :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 01, 2012, 09:24:34 PM
Ow wow o_O that Superman looks like...
(http://p18.metroflog.com/pictures/267/31/1/592131267_UODUHSOIGFRQSRC.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 02, 2012, 03:25:15 AM
Well clearly Basara you suffer from the "2d graphically blurred visual deficiency" imperative that the people I was talking about suffered from  :innocent:.
(not the superman thing)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2012, 03:26:55 AM
Well clearly Edtion you suffer from the "total douchebag" imperative that the people I was talking about suffered from  :innocent:.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on August 02, 2012, 04:12:46 AM
The art styles of the DC animated movies are nothing like the DCAU. Usually it's based on the original artist of the storyling they're adapting.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/941/Handsomeface_original.jpg)
you wouldn't see this in the DCAU :P

Where the heck is that from?

Sorry, haven't kept track with the DC Animated Films.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2012, 04:23:32 AM
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse

It's not very good. Mostly because the story it's based on is total garbage.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Segatron on August 08, 2012, 03:50:27 PM
The animation style of curren DC media are somewhat based on Batman: Under the Red Hood. I forgot the guy who is behind it, Batman looks epic but Whenever I see Superman or Captain Marvel they look  kinda old
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 10, 2012, 08:15:19 AM
Phil Bourassa (http://philbourassa.deviantart.com/), Lead Character Designer, he was also in on Planet Hulk and Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths.
Title: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: DONATELLO on January 04, 2013, 03:28:31 PM

(http://risingsuntoku.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/deathofthefamily.png)



For those of you that are not aware, it has been explained a lot now on newsarama someone will die, and this someone is a member of the bat family, and it's an important story cause:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Jmorphman on January 04, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Is that just speculation?
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Red hood on January 04, 2013, 05:41:10 PM
i may disagree with you dur to the february solicit in batman and robin.
it's just speculation from newsarama , we don't even know if someone will die. Snyder or dc never told it.
But if someone dies, my guess is:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: metamutant on January 04, 2013, 06:28:47 PM
Yeah I agree with Red Hood.
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Dreams In Stardust on January 04, 2013, 06:34:54 PM
I'm surprised the Joker isn't dead since well, he's basically stapling some dead face-meat back onto his head. :1
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Red hood on January 04, 2013, 06:37:02 PM
I'm surprised the Joker isn't dead since well, he's basically stapling some dead face-meat back onto his head. :1
the main problem is that we don't know what was the main goal to have his face removed , pretty lame writing  :brood:
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't rea
Post by: Jango on January 04, 2013, 10:55:02 PM
He's going to swap faces with Nicolas Cage
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Iced on January 04, 2013, 10:59:16 PM
I'm surprised the Joker isn't dead since well, he's basically stapling some dead face-meat back onto his head. :1

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

theory time:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: DatKofGuy on January 04, 2013, 11:07:01 PM
theory time:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
That actually makes a fuck ton of sense. But I doubt DC would come up with an awesome twist like that
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: walt on January 04, 2013, 11:55:01 PM
What is 24 Hour Batman (http://kafkaskoffee.com/junk/lj/comics/bmangallery/pages/bmanHours_01.htm)?
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Iced on January 04, 2013, 11:57:13 PM
search this on youtube "batman is bruce wayne garcon"
Im not at home and youtube is blocked here or i would just have posted it.

home now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2szxcpS1Tro
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Jmorphman on January 05, 2013, 03:36:28 AM
theory time:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Iced on January 05, 2013, 03:43:55 AM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Jmorphman on January 05, 2013, 03:52:05 AM
No matter how terrible DC has been lately, they wouldn't repeat a story like that.

... well Snyder wouldn't, at least.
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: DMK on January 05, 2013, 04:06:17 AM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

 :ssj:

Here I was regretting my stoppage of reading comics in 2010.
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Red hood on January 05, 2013, 07:48:27 AM
hush doesn't exist in the new 52 (for now at least....)
now the main problem is that alfred has been kidnapped since issue 13:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6bzGZPjB6_c/UHhOzjr-FvI/AAAAAAAAB-Y/ErKYj4cyFiM/s1600/joker_batman_013_2012_vm.jpg)
and we know he is now blind.

nonetheless on power girl, she still has big boobs when kevin maguire draws her, but when it's jerry ordway, the art isn't "interesting" enough
(http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/25936/worlds-finest-1-variant-cover.jpg)
i only read the huntress part in world's finest, the rest of the story is soooooo boring.
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: DMK on January 05, 2013, 12:31:58 PM
Yeah, I think I may of spoiled myself on Power Girl during Amanda Connor's run. I actually need to buy the trade of that, I'm missing a few issues. The one there though just looks like a generic superhero, even without the boob window. The face especially.

I'll also give DC the fact with the way Jokers face is stapled he is pretty creepy looking.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 06, 2013, 04:34:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XAqIm.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2013, 04:40:12 AM
Wouldn't this fit better in the fan art thread instead of necroing this topic? :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 06, 2013, 04:46:45 AM
Maybe its better if i fuse that batman thread in here instead. having a general dc thread is cool, works like the marvel one. What do you think?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2013, 04:55:48 AM
Isn't it already the equivalent of the Marvel thread?

Baman should go here, much like Superior Spidey goes in the Marvel thread. I should've put the Gail Simone stuff here too.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 06, 2013, 04:57:30 AM
Well, that was my reasoning for necroing this thread. =P Wanted to make it used properly again.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2013, 05:06:05 AM
It died because no one wants to talk about the awful things DC has been doing lately!

Well I guess not really, they just have been bad enough to make people have no interest, but at the same time not being bad enough to provoke a Superior Spidey style outrage.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 06, 2013, 05:09:22 AM
Well the feminists are happy that power girl ditched the cleavage hole , because you know how all those "nerd girls" are. Only interested in the content of the cover, never on what's inside the book. 
The death of Powergirl and her replacement with a non cleavaged copy that fucks men for power and technology is a bigger loss than a spider-man arc that will last less than a year.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on January 06, 2013, 05:13:52 AM
this power girl shit is blasphemy. I guarantee you none of the feminists even read power girl and just noticed the different outfit and were fine. She's basically a friggin tech whore. This is why I have stuck with the Bat family.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2013, 05:16:37 AM
because you know how all those "nerd girls" are. Only interested in the content of the cover, never on what's inside the book.
Don't go all Tony Harris on us.

The death of Powergirl and her replacement with a non cleavaged copy that fucks men for power and technology is a bigger loss than a spider-man arc that will last less than a year.
She got lost in the shuffle of all the other shitty changes. Besides the loss boob window really isn't that big of a deal, especially in comparison to her change in characterization.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 06, 2013, 05:39:06 AM
I wouldnt care what outfit she had as long as she kept her characterization.

It just baffles me how they changed it to make her "less sexist" while creating that characterization.
They have her no longer be a genius entrepeneur, instead she is even seen preparing to go to parties where she plans to seduce tech genius in order to get access to their technologies and inventions, she also keeps getting her costumes blown up to shreds, so even with her "non sexist" suit she now spends more time naked than ever, and its really really really cheap.
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IMG_0058.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PWWll-cyJLM/UMd6WtVDHGI/AAAAAAAAU3k/bl1TUFOWNEM/s1600/pg+poses.jpg)
And this is a character that used to be confident, smart funny AND sexy.
(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0908/14/powergirl43.jpg)



Imma gonna go scream at clouds now.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Duo Solo on January 06, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
Koothrappali looks white.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on January 06, 2013, 09:32:00 AM
Why is Power Girl so racist against short men?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 06, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
Why is Power Girl so racist against short men?
Because he's from The Big Bang Theory.

(Power Girl watches Community)
Title: Re: Batman : death of the family , the end for one of them BIG spoiler don't read
Post by: Red hood on January 06, 2013, 02:44:07 PM
i'm just glad huntress wasn't a part of the death of family crossover.
Good news, scott lobdell may be leaving the "red hood and the outlaws" comics after number 18,
(http://images.wikia.com/batman/images/3/3f/Red_Hood_and_The_Outlaws_Vol_1-18_Cover-1_Teaser.jpg)
i hope we will have a new penciller too cause i couldn't stand timothy green 2.
Ps the cover isn't from him  :beatnik: it's mico suayan.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DONATELLO on January 07, 2013, 11:21:06 AM
judd winnick is the only one that can write the red hgood

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on January 08, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
Don't know if anyone remembers or even cares, but:

This thread was started as a question on the explanation of the DC Omniverse/Multiverses and continuity and whatever.


I found my answer a few weeks/months ago:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Marvel's different, Marvel is "Everything you read, happened" until they go back and say "it happened, but not the way we said it happened last time".
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 09, 2013, 03:57:50 AM
I found my answer a few weeks/months ago:
There is no such thing as chronology/continuity in the DC Multiverse.
Yeah, no.

Marvel's different, Marvel is "Everything you read, happened" until they go back and say "it happened, but not the way we said it happened last time".
If you really want to say that there is no continuity in DC then you can't say Marvel is any different.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on January 09, 2013, 08:45:39 AM
I can, I will, and I did  :).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 09, 2013, 08:58:57 AM
And you base this on what exactly? Their continuity reboots? Marvel does those all the time too, just never as events. There is very clearly one continuity in the DCU, one that often has cracks showing, but one that exists nonetheless.

To suggest otherwise is stupid.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DONATELLO on January 09, 2013, 09:07:30 AM
And you base this on what exactly? Their continuity reboots? Marvel does those all the time too, just never as events. There is very clearly one continuity in the DCU, one that often has cracks showing, but one that exists nonetheless.

To suggest otherwise is stupid.

that' s what i agree too.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DONATELLO on January 09, 2013, 12:58:10 PM
trevor mccarthy will be the new penciller on batwoman cause j h williams 3 will be on sandman
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on January 09, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
not a big fan of mccarthy, he is way better than when he started on nightwing but i 'm still think he doesn't make good faces:
for proof the cover to batwoman 18, the head is too long:
(http://thelesbiangeek.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/bw_cv18_r1.jpg)
he did a good job as a fill in when williams wasn't there so i'm still glad he got the job.  :2thumbsup: even if last issue was really bad  :klingon:

      Posted: January 12, 2013, 07:23:14 AM
james tynions will be the new red hood writer   :2thumbsup:  :crown:
the new artist will be ..........Mico Suayan, yeah the one that does the splendid covers, i hops he will keep this quality level on the book, , here is the cover of the 19:
(http://www.dcplanet.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Red-Hood-Outlaws-19.jpg)

thanks dc, someone listened to me  :sneaky:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/red-hood-outlaws-james-tynion-IV.html
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2013, 11:08:11 PM
More writer shakeups at DC (http://ifanboy.com/articles/zub-off-birds-of-prey-venditti-off-constantine-before-they-start-and-more-dc-changes/)

things are not going very well over there, it seems
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 14, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
^ Since very time ago, if you ask me (hello, Liefeld??). Seems like Lemire is the safeguard of DC, everytime a series is going down, he comes to the rescue... and good to know about Jim Starlin writing Stormwatch, that's something worth about the (another one) rechange on writers.

I'm still waiting for New 52's WildCATS, my 2 cents to it (how's about Team 7, it is worth to read??)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2013, 11:49:53 PM
The thing about Starlin is that he hasn't written anything good in decades. Plus all his DC stuff has been really bad.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 14, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
You mean he has the "Jeph Loeb syndrome"?? (in the past was great, today not). Hmmmmm, I've to read about it...

Also, a little sad for Grifter, one of the few titles I read from the reboot and this week is the last number (#16). I hope this become the start for a future WildCATS title...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 15, 2013, 01:26:46 AM
Well, unlike Loeb, Starlin was actually good before. Loeb was, at best, serviceable. It's the art that carried his early stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 15, 2013, 07:31:56 PM
Ok :) do you know which titles Jim made for DC in the past to take a look??
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 15, 2013, 08:10:58 PM
Ok :) do you know which titles Jim made for DC in the past to take a look??
You don't want to read them! OK well I remembered there was some decent/good stuff in there, but first, the stuff to avoid:

There's Cosmic Odyssey, where the Anti-Life Equation is revealed to be a sentient shadow thingy, and was really stupid and contradictory, and everyone ignored it. Then he brought that concept back for Death of the New Gods, which also made Final Crisis's backstory completely fucked up because DC couldn't do the one thing Morrison asked for them to do: leave the New Gods alone. There's Rann-Thanagar Holy War, which is just confusing and dumb and how many fucking wars is Rann and Thanagar gonna have geez. Also, it said that the present Hawkman wasn't actually the reincarnation of Carter Hall (Golden Age, Egyptian reincarnation Hawk) but instead was Katar Hol (Silver Age, alien space cop Hawk), somehow. This was promptly ignored by future writers.

The good/decent stuff is his The Weird miniseries, and the big one, which I completely forgot: his Batman run. I'm kicking myself for forgetting his run, which includes Death in the Family. And also this amazing page:
Spoiler: can the forum contain the ownage? (click to see content)

Also there's Batman: The Cult, which lots of people seem to like but I was kinda meh on it, since it seemed like an excuse to shoehorn in elements from DKR into mainstream continuity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 15, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
There's Cosmic Odyssey, where the Anti-Life Equation is revealed to be a sentient shadow thingy, and was really stupid and contradictory, and everyone ignored it. Then he brought that concept back for Death of the New Gods, which also made Final Crisis's backstory completely fucked up because DC couldn't do the one thing Morrison asked for them to do: leave the New Gods alone. There's Rann-Thanagar Holy War, which is just confusing and dumb and how many fucking wars is Rann and Thanagar gonna have geez. Also, it said that the present Hawkman wasn't actually the reincarnation of Carter Hall (Golden Age, Egyptian reincarnation Hawk) but instead was Katar Hol (Silver Age, alien space cop Hawk), somehow. This was promptly ignored by future writers.
I know a little about Cosmic Odyssey and general reviews said it was bad... but that Final Crisis stuff, OMG I read that and uuugh >_< (did I say I hate Final Crisis in general?? that makes me hate Morrison and all that saga, except Legion of 3 Worlds and Rogues' Revenge). Holy War was that kind of continuation of Infinite Crisis' Rann-Thanagar War?? Yeah, that was very confusing :-\

Thanks for the references, I remember Death in the Family series and The Cult. And that page was truly awesome :D OK, now I'm afraid about Starlin making Stormwatch soon... well, I still not fond of New 52's Stormwatch at all, even with Martian Manhunter on it
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on January 15, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
team 7 has been for me a disappointement.   :sleeping:
the art is boring and the story is just an excuse to create backgrounds to unknown characters .
Never been a fan of the cult, the same drawings were used so much in the book.
The only character jim starlin wrote rightly was jason todd, so i's important for me  :2thumbsup: , funny that he killed him (sorry the voters did it).
I won't comment on cosmic odyssey, cause it was poor writing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 15, 2013, 09:08:36 PM
team 7 has been for me a disappointement.   :sleeping:
the art is boring and the story is just an excuse to create backgrounds to unknown characters .
Too bad, I've reading the real Team 7 (from WildStorm/Image) and what I seen in New 52 reboot hasn't even something to do with war :-\ is what you said, just a mix of characters... I mean, Deathblow was part of the original Team 7 and it was introduced to New 52 in Grifter (in Liefeld's Helspont arc (09-12)), the less I expected is about him as part of the roster... but no >:(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 15, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
(did I say I hate Final Crisis in general?? that makes me hate Morrison and all that saga, except Legion of 3 Worlds and Rogues' Revenge)
Final Crisis had tons of cool concepts and ideas, but the execution of those ideas was sometimes questionable. Like, cool, Morrison has Renee Montoya, the second Question, becoming the first agent of the Global Peace Agency from Kirby's OMAC, implying the agents of the GPA got their faceless masks from the Question. That's awesome, cool, great. But then in the very next issue she acts all racist when she travels to the universe with black Superman. What the fuck?

I mean, Deathblow was part of the original Team 7 and it was introduced to New 52 in Grifter (in Liefeld's Helspont arc (09-12)), the less I expected is about him as part of the roster... but no >:(
Yeah, but now young sexy Amanda Waller is on the team!

brb killing self
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on January 26, 2013, 08:57:30 PM
Oh look, Blue Beetle just ended again.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 27, 2013, 10:16:46 AM
I'm so excited that Paul Levitz and Keith Giffen are gonna reunite and do Legion of Superheroes again, I mean, The Great Darkness Saga? An Eye for an Eye? Great stuff. I can't wait...

what? Giffen left after two issues? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/25/keith-giffen-leaves-legion-of-superheroes-after-two-issues/)

jesus fucking christ DC get your shit in order, holy fuck
Title: Re: entertainment news that don't deserve their own thread
Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
Young Justice and Green Lantern: TAS are almost certainly canceled (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/28/dc-nation-gets-a-shakeup-in-new-cartoon-network-schedules-young-justice-and-green-lantern-nixed/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter), because it turns out that abruptly taking shows off your schedule and then returning them with no fanfare after months of silence is a great way to totally destroy all ratings (in fact some have speculated that it was intentional sabotage).

Oh but don't worry, Teen Titans is coming back as Teen Titans Go, only it will be all comedy (and no superheroics, apparently) with a super deformed art style. Ugh. And also, that new Batman show where Alfred is Batman's sidekick and uses guns

I HATE
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on January 28, 2013, 10:07:25 PM
Alfred tried to gun down Green Lantern once. (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/30761/601597-02_03_super.jpg)

Also Teen Titans is terrible.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2013, 10:10:27 PM
That's not Green Lantern, that's Booster Gold! He doesn't even have any green on him!!! >:[

and while I'm not really a fan of the Teen Titans cartoon, I know lots of people were. But this new cartoon looks really really unappealing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on January 28, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Outside of Ron Perlman as Deathstroke/Slade I didn't think too highly of TT though it did have it's moments.

The new cartoon just looks awful.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: TheSnackist on January 28, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
Well shit. I love Young Justice. I find it to be a really bold, dark take on teenage heroes, 'covert ops' style.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 10:20:10 PM
That's clearly Green lantern.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 28, 2013, 10:26:07 PM
Fucking color-blind assholes. >:[

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 29, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
and while I'm not really a fan of the Teen Titans cartoon, I know lots of people were. But this new cartoon looks really really unappealing.
This TT Go! is more like a SD version of TT we already know in TV, for me looks like Tiny Titans from the comics. About that new Batman series...
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads//2013/01/beware-the-batman-600x386.jpg?802b89)
WTF Batman, are u gay now?? And why Katana looks like Anne Hathaway in TDKR?? Dafuq did I see c:

I've a doubt about Helspont. When he was introduced in The New 52 (Superman, Grifter), he looked almost like in WildStorm times (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ULGX9Mw28HM/T3RkVnRo_sI/AAAAAAAAPHw/ilFOPMUav-s/s1600/sm+7-08.jpg), but later he changes to this (from Superman Annual and Grifter 16 (last number))
(http://superman.marianobayona.com/sann1papel4.jpg)
WTF HAPPENS TO HIM TO CHANGE LIKE THAT!?!? :wth:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
WTF Batman, are u gay now??
>:|
Title: DC Comics Universe
Post by: Edtion on January 31, 2013, 07:34:18 AM
Young Justice is almost certainly canceled (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/28/dc-nation-gets-a-shakeup-in-new-cartoon-network-schedules-young-justice-and-green-lantern-nixed/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

FUCK EVERYTHING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0PlwDbSYicM#t=724s)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on January 31, 2013, 07:40:29 AM
Fuck Everything Indeed
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 31, 2013, 11:07:00 PM
http://comics.cosmicbooknews.com/content/jim-starlin-reveals-stormwatch-19-gatefold-cover-20
his name is starlin.


FUCK YOUR STORMWATCH

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2013, 11:15:25 PM
Too bad Starlin is terrible now. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 31, 2013, 11:17:36 PM
stormwatch is dead and he is bringing back authority, i dont care what you debbie downer say.


No more chin spike and supergayman .
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2013, 11:22:00 PM
stormwatch is dead and he is bringing back authority, i dont care what you debbie downer say.
Just you wait, Midnighter will be revealed to be the reincarnation of Shayera Thal! >:[
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on January 31, 2013, 11:28:10 PM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 31, 2013, 11:35:05 PM
He should put spikes all over his costume, then his whole body would be a weapon!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:54 PM
Trailer finally out
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on February 01, 2013, 01:02:17 AM
How come they can make such awesome animated Superman movies and yet fail to deliver on live action ones?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 01, 2013, 02:07:24 AM
How come they can make such awesome animated Superman movies and yet fail to deliver on live action ones?
Oh, a whole bunch of reasons: stupid studio executives, Bryan Singer, Iced, Jon Peters, and of course, giant spiders.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 01, 2013, 10:50:19 PM
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/2013/02/01/cartoon-network-dc-comics-releases-statement-on-young-justice-green-lantern-the-animated-series-ending/

“Thank you to all our fans for expressing just how much they love DC Nation on Cartoon Network. There’s still more new Young Justice and Green Lantern: The Animated Series to enjoy in the coming weeks. And DC Nation isn’t going anywhere; there will be plenty of new adventures coming your way later this year.”


Oh DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 01, 2013, 10:54:46 PM
"It isn't going anywhere..........we're just taking the good cartoons and replacing them with crap!"
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 02, 2013, 12:37:03 AM
Oh DC.
I think you meant "Oh Cartoon Network." Cause, you know, they're the ones who sabotaged both show's runs, just like they did Thundercats and Sym-Bionic Titan, and many more, all because they weren't comedies.

I'm certain that DC would much rather have YJ and GLA on than Teen Titans Go, as the former would help promote their IP's better and reach an audience they're more interested in.

So yeah, don't hate DC for this (there are already so many other good reasons too!), blame CN.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 02, 2013, 12:42:50 AM
Would be kinda nice if DC was to continue both with DTV movies.

And yeah this is more CN and it's continuing spiral downward than it is DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 02, 2013, 12:44:14 AM
yep.

Wb executive plans for those are dc executive plans for those.
So yes, let me reiterate.

"Oh dc."


To act as if the fans protests are in someway a validation of a job well done is the shittiest maneuver.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 02, 2013, 01:10:24 AM
Wb executive plans for those are dc executive plans for those.
So yes, let me reiterate.

"Oh dc."
They may be under the same umbrella but that umbrella is so massive (and there are sub-umbrellas separating them too) that to suggest that DC is pleased with the cancellation is nuts. It's like blaming General Electric's appliance division for NBC's handling of Community.

To act as if the fans protests are in someway a validation of a job well done is the shittiest maneuver.
Very very odd reading of that; besides, they wanted to acknowledge the fan outrage while at the same time avoid saying anything negative at all (oh press releases), so they end up with a bland "thanks for all the support, also keep watching our shit because this is still an advertisement!"
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on February 02, 2013, 01:13:32 AM
this is why dc needs to stick to animated movies, until they get on a network that is more into "teen" aimed animated shows. and I didn't know thundercats was cancelled too. Fuck. WTH CN
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 02, 2013, 01:21:18 AM
As long as their owned by the same people I wouldn't count on that.

And like Jmorph said, you can't blame DC. They and CN have been doing their own thing even with out Time Warner's input.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 02, 2013, 02:26:41 AM
this is why dc needs to stick to animated movies, until they get on a network that is more into "teen" aimed animated shows
But what network would fit? Probably their only other option would be Nickelodeon, and I've heard they're doing the same kinda stuff CN has been doing.

Maybe Disney XD? That seems very unlikely though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 03, 2013, 07:24:30 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=43516
As you know, Jim Starlin is now making Stormwatch, writing and making the covers for it. Well, he revealed the #19 cover with various WildStorm's Stormwatch/Authority characters... and also The Weird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_%28comics%29) is between them, an old DC creation of Starlin (he has his own miniseries in 80s and was part of various revivals in 2000s)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76109_592583240756718_1402588497_n.jpg) (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=592583240756718&set=a.170658982949148.45576.100000151434982&type=1&theater)
Hey, why not adding my character now that I'm making Stormwatch, huh?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 12, 2013, 06:13:08 PM
Superman will have a new writer, who is publically anti gay belonging to organizations that fight gay marriage.
Expect superman to do social commentary on the gay or ignore them completely.
Conservatives will love this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on February 12, 2013, 07:02:47 PM
or ignore them completely.
So same as always for any comic that doesn't specifically push the other way ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 12, 2013, 07:21:25 PM
a character well known for being a symbol of justice equality etc, is kinda weird when all of his in universe becomes gay less.

I dont follow dc much but I know that in marvel you have gay characters even when they arent the subject of the book.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 12, 2013, 07:53:30 PM
Actually there're various DC gay characters and way time before New 52's Alan Scott. Talking about him, one of his children, Obsidian (brother of Jade, the other daughter of Scott) is officially gay, but the difference is they're low profile and don't talk all the time about their sexual tendencies (or being queers)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 12, 2013, 08:15:57 PM
(http://cdn.the-gutters.com/comics/90bacaa87ca239ddc157e716a99ea00ea051231e.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 12, 2013, 11:36:49 PM
Superman will have a new writer, who is publically anti gay belonging to organizations that fight gay marriage.
Orson Scott Card, right? Yeah he's really bad now. What a shame. It's probably not coincidental that his rapid drop off in writing quality coincided with his foaming of the mouth rants about how gay marriage will cause another civil war.

also you should mention that it's some digital only title, and not Action or Superman. I mean I guess it doesn't matter that much but if DC resorted to putting OSC on their flagship Superman titles that's probably a very bad sign.

Expect superman to do social commentary on the gay or ignore them completely.
Conservatives will love this.
-_-

OSC isn't usually that overt, and especially never when writing mainstream comic characters. Come on.

a character well known for being a symbol of justice equality etc, is kinda weird when all of his in universe becomes gay less.
What???

I dont follow dc much but I know that in marvel you have gay characters even when they arent the subject of the book.
Yeah, Marvel sure is the beacon of progress, it only took what, 6 years for Hulkling and Wiccan to actually kiss? ::)

Neither company has done very well by their gay characters (especially the male ones).

Actually there're various DC gay characters and way time before New 52's Alan Scott. Talking about him, one of his children, Obsidian (brother of Jade, the other daughter of Scott) is officially gay, but the difference is they're low profile and don't talk all the time about their sexual tendencies (or being queers)
RIP Obsidian. :'(

And yeah. there's no one like Northstar at DC. Thank god.

http://cdn.the-gutters.com/comics/90bacaa87ca239ddc157e716a99ea00ea051231e.jpg
Careful now, you're gonna give Iced an aneurysm.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 12, 2013, 11:51:54 PM
And yeah. there's no one like Northstar at DC. Thank god.

Cmon now! what about Vibe? If we want to scrap the barrel you are better off talking about rawhide kid.

Marvel has a interesting and broad selection of gay males.  from the top of my head

Living thunder
Robertson nephew
hulkling and wiccan
flatman
the cop couple in scarlet spider
Shatterstar and Rictor
Anole
Striker
Graymalkin
Peter Parker boss scientist.

Probably more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 13, 2013, 12:04:15 AM
AKA nobody too important.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 13, 2013, 12:09:39 AM
You dont go around shifting your main characters with decades of backstory into homosexuals all of a sudden, you introduce new heroes and normal people with those traits, which i thought Marvel did really well but for jmorphman is just northstar or something. Which i think is misrepresentative.

My point was that there were tons of openly gay characters in the universe that werent ignored.
Like Parker's boss or even Anole.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 13, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
Cmon now! what about Vibe?
Vibe isn't gay!

Really.

If we want to scrap the barrel you are better off talking about rawhide kid.
I blocked Rawhide Kid out of my brain, but thanks for dredging him up. >:[

Living thunder
Living Lightning, you mean. Whose sexuality was revealed for a joke.

Not that that's a bad thing! GLA was awesome, and that was a good joke, but c'mon, Lightning isn't really a major character anymore. It's not the best example. The other ones you listed are much better.

You dont go around shifting your main characters with decades of backstory into homosexuals all of a sudden, you introduce new heroes and normal people with those traits
Well, I mean... I dunno, it worked for Obsidian and Living Lightning, because in those specific instances they hadn't been around (relatively) long, nor had their love lives been explored very much. Renee Montoya is another good example. But it's not something that can or should be done for all characters, in most cases when it happens the revelation makes sense based on the character's history.

Alan Scott being turned gay didn't fit any of those things. In fact the only reason he was made gay was that Obsidian was being retconned out of continuity and James Robinson wanted to make up for it. It's a stupid reason, and I miss Obsidian. :(

which i thought Marvel did really well but for jmorphman is just northstar or something. Which i think is misrepresentative.
That is not at all what I said. :|

I said that DC didn't have someone like Northstar, and that's good because Northstar is a terrible character.

The past few years Marvel has been doing better than DC on this front, but DC was pushing these boundaries decades before Marvel dared. :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 14, 2013, 02:09:38 PM
Both of you forgot the most famous gay couple in comics: Apollo and Midnighter. I mean, they were part of WildStorm (The Authority to be specific), but now WildStorm become integral part of DC with The New 52 in Stormwatch, so now they're DC characters :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on February 14, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
So many gay super heroes in comics, most who end up dying. Even the writers notice how frequently this happens.

From the previews for the last X-treme X-men books it looks like Hercules is going to die too. Meh...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Snakebyte on February 14, 2013, 02:29:31 PM
I'm just going to second that Northstar's relationship with Random Black Gay NPC #4 is one of the worst things to come out of comics in a while.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 14, 2013, 04:04:27 PM
I would like to point out that the most laughably inessential Watchmen prequel came out:
(http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/BW_DOLLAR_BILL_Cv1_solicit.jpg)
(seriously, he was a one-off joke, why the fuck is there a comic book covering the same material that Watchmen covered in a single line)
Anyways it involves Dollar Bill narrating his life's story FROM THE AFTERLIFE. :wall:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 14, 2013, 04:10:38 PM
Before Watchmen is a Watchmen fanfic made by DiDio just to get more money, if you asks me
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mog on February 14, 2013, 04:58:57 PM

If we want to scrap the barrel you are better off talking about rawhide kid.
I blocked Rawhide Kid out of my brain, but thanks for dredging him up. >:[


I dont have a clue why this is somehow familiar, but did he ever wear a white vest with dark patches ...  the cowhide thing?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 14, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
Before Watchmen is a Watchmen fanfic made by DiDio just to get more money, if you asks me
I'll give The Minutemen one credit for being an alright read.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 15, 2013, 02:26:06 AM
I dont have a clue why this is somehow familiar, but did he ever wear a white vest with dark patches ...  the cowhide thing?
No?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UWahE_3NVgM/TUDYC0bMR3I/AAAAAAAAAC8/3oY-Z1xSNdE/s1600/rawhide1.jpg)
goddammit this fucking picture, I HATE

I'll give The Minutemen one credit for being an alright read.
That, and Silk Spectre. Darwyn Cooke worked is basically magic.

But unfortunately, they were the exception to the rule. It was time to shit indeed. :sadgoi:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on February 15, 2013, 03:46:17 AM
Those ones and Ozymandias. But still found all that "event" as a produced fanfic made by DiDio, IMO
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 15, 2013, 03:50:23 AM
I haven't read Silk Spectre.  What should I expect?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 15, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
Those ones and Ozymandias. But still found all that "event" as a produced fanfic made by DiDio, IMO
I wouldn't lay all the blame on DiDio (though Before Watchmen is his pet project); DC has wanted toturn Watchmen into a franchise from pretty much day one. And Paul Levitzstood in the way of that and stymied any efforts to do so.

But the of course he stepped down, and look what happened as soon as he did...

I haven't read Silk Spectre.  What should I expect?
Well, besides the stunningly gorgeous Amanda Conner art, you can expect free love, LSD, hippies, and one of the most fucked-up mother-daughter relationships in fiction.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 19, 2013, 12:30:35 AM
Oh right, DC responded to the whole OSC thing. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/02/13/orson-scott-card-superman-dc-comics-marriage-equality-gay-rights/)

Basically, they said that the personal views of their employers do not reflect their own. So uh, yeah? I dunno.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2013, 10:53:31 PM
G'night John, it was a lovely go at it.

See you around.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2013, 11:11:00 PM
I assume you are talking about Geoff Johns stepping down from writing Green Lantern after 8 years? (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/02/20/new-green-lantern-creative-teams-robert-venditti-billy-tan-dc-comics/)

or maybe you're just randomly stringing words together, who knows :V
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2013, 11:32:19 PM
You are being a bloody heathen mate.
There is only one John going away today that is worth of notice.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2013, 11:39:02 PM
Oh, Constantine? Constantine isn't going away. He's not dead, only... a point of view.

Also, you're bad at reporting news! You're the worst reporter ever! YOU'RE FIRED
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2013, 11:42:08 PM
Hellblazer ended today, at 300.
The vertigo Constantine is now
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Because dc doesnt think Hellblazer is that relevant anymore and decided to cancel the book.

Fine taste those people have.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2013, 11:47:06 PM
And still no link, tsk tsk tsk.
You're the worst reporter ever! YOU'RE FIRED

Like I said, he's not dead. The only thing that died is a point of view. Calm your tits.

Also, the writer of the New 52 Constantine book will be the guy who relaunched X-O Manowar, which is fantastic, so I dunno, it might be pretty good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 21, 2013, 07:40:18 AM
Batwoman just proposed to Maggie Sawyer! (http://www.salon.com/2013/02/20/dc_comics_has_gay_marriage_storyline_in_the_works_for_batwoman/singleton/) :D

take that, OSC!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on February 22, 2013, 06:32:21 AM
I hope this doesn't turn out to be a war between gay comic book fans and straight comic book fans over this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 22, 2013, 08:20:13 AM
I'm pretty sure if there was a "war" it ended around Batwoman's creation. And any attempts to drum up controversy will be met with apathy from the public at large, just like they have in the past.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on February 22, 2013, 10:46:03 AM
And still no link, tsk tsk tsk.
You're the worst reporter ever! YOU'RE FIRED

Like I said, he's not dead. The only thing that died is a point of view. Calm your tits.

Also, the writer of the New 52 Constantine book will be the guy who relaunched X-O Manowar, which is fantastic, so I dunno, it might be pretty good.

im not linking the issue >:C
Which is how i found out too!
He literally dies in the end.
If you didnt like vertigo Constantine, you have no soul!! >:C


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 25, 2013, 09:39:42 PM
DC is killing off Damian Wayne. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/holy_hit_job_robin_eats_it_kZ9EWvYlw10mf4wS324GhN)

what a shock
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 25, 2013, 09:56:43 PM
I hope this doesn't turn out to be a war between gay comic book fans and straight comic book fans over this.
:stare:

im not linking the issue >:C
Which is how i found out too!
He literally dies in the end.
Who said anything about linking the issue, just link a news article talking about how "today, the final issue of Hellblazer was released" or whatever. Or even just say that, instead of dropping coy bullshit hints.

If you didnt like vertigo Constantine, you have no soul!! >:C
why do I fucking bother :wall:

DC is killing off Damian Wayne. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/holy_hit_job_robin_eats_it_kZ9EWvYlw10mf4wS324GhN)

what a shock
I don't buy it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on February 25, 2013, 10:00:27 PM
I don't buy it.
Me neither to be honest. And if they do kill him comic law dictates that he'll just be back.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on February 25, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
I'm just glad it's finally over. Hopefully the next reboot retcons him completely out of existence.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2013, 02:51:30 AM
The artist for that story OSC was doing has decided to back out. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/03/05/orson-scott-card-chris-sprouse-superman-dc-comics/)

this is really blowing up
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on March 21, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
You are being a bloody heathen mate.
There is only one John going away today that is worth of notice.
Not the only one, my dear Iced...

DC wants to kill John Stewart, Joshua Hale Fialkov, one of the actual GL writers, doesn't want it and he quits the GL team (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/21/fialkov-left-dc-comics-over-plans-to-kill-off-john-stewart-dcs-black-green-lantern/)

C'mon, DiDio... :doom:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 21, 2013, 10:00:25 PM
They want to kill the best Green Lantern out there? Why? :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on March 22, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
I don't know, maybe black superheroes doesn't sell anymore (RIP Static Shock, Batwing and Mister Terrific series). In the end, it's all about money in DC (fuckin' DiDio)

And well... finally a good news coming from DC:
After got the rights, DC will make a digital comic of '66 Batman TV series (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/03/22/batman-classic-tv-series-comic-jeff-parker-jonathan-case-michael-allred/)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2013/03/caseriddler.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 25, 2013, 08:37:18 PM
And well... finally a good news coming from DC:
After got the rights, DC will make a digital comic of '66 Batman TV series (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/03/22/batman-classic-tv-series-comic-jeff-parker-jonathan-case-michael-allred/)

I just saw this.
All my love to DC for this. 66 Batman is the best Batman ever. ;P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on March 27, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
DC wants to kill John Stewart, Joshua Hale Fialkov, one of the actual GL writers, doesn't want it and he quits the GL team (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/21/fialkov-left-dc-comics-over-plans-to-kill-off-john-stewart-dcs-black-green-lantern/)

C'mon, DiDio... :doom:

Not anymore. 

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/03/25/dc-comics-john-stewart-green-lantern-death-reversed/

So, actual rumor, or DC caving to public pressure?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on March 27, 2013, 08:47:06 PM
I guess the second option, if you asks me
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on March 27, 2013, 10:27:16 PM
That was my guess too, I just love how DC is trying to make it seem like they never planned to kill him.  Like they don't want to admit that they caved.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on April 11, 2013, 07:26:17 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/dc-comics-transgender-batgirl_n_3061268.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

This was unexpected.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on April 11, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
There's something I'm not sure I understand in those two panels (I haven't actually read the issue nor do I follow Batgirl)
She says Batgirl wanted to protect her, and to that, she responds that she's transgender. That's kind of saying, in other words, she doesn't need to be protected because she was a dude. ... Because if she wasn't, Batgirl trying to protect her wouldn't be an issue.
What ? Where are you placing your pride ? In being transgender or in previously being a dude and not a weak woman (which you are now)... ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on April 11, 2013, 08:03:26 PM
The two panels by themselves are good, but when put in context with the rest of the page, it seems kinda... weird. Maybe it makes sense in the book?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on April 11, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
There's something I'm not sure I understand in those two panels (I haven't actually read the issue nor do I follow Batgirl)
She says Batgirl wanted to protect her, and to that, she responds that she's transgender. That's kind of saying, in other words, she doesn't need to be protected because she was a dude. ... Because if she wasn't, Batgirl trying to protect her wouldn't be an issue.
What ? Where are you placing your pride ? In being transgender or in previously being a dude and not a weak woman (which you are now)... ?

I think the "You were trying to protect me" refers to Barbabra not telling her about the Joker shooting.  She's acknowledging she understands why Barbabra didn't tell her about the Joker, and then answering with "Now I need to tell you something".  Read with the emphasis on the you, it reads that she's basically acknowledging that Barbabra has revealed a big secret and Alysia understands Barbabra's reasoning and now wants to come clean with her own secret that she has been struggling with.

And as for the context of the pages, it makes sense with the issues I read of Batgirl.  Alysia has been trying to get close with Barbabra since issue 1 and Barbabra keeps pushing her away a bit to "keep her safe".  I think this is a big moment for Barbabra because she's finally become open with a non-bat person and that person in turn has come completely open with Barbabra.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on April 11, 2013, 11:26:50 PM
You're right, I checked out the issue in question, and yes, I was also thinking that it does look more like "you shared your secret, now I'm sharing my secret". My bad, then. I guess it's just how every comics news site has been picking up just those two panels and it looked weird to me (I think I saw it on Bleeding Cool too)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on April 27, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
Cool Concept Vid by the guys that did the Naruto Dreamers Fight and Street Fighter X Tekken vids
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on May 15, 2013, 06:05:44 AM
List of final issues coming out in August (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3233049/dc-cancels-demon-knights-dial-h-legion-of-super-heroes-threshold/).

Really blows that Dial H is one of them.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on May 15, 2013, 06:48:39 PM
Not really surprised at Demon Knights cancellation.  I don't read it, but from what I understand the Stormwatch "reset" screwed up the continuity since Demons Knights was supposed to be connected to Stormwatch, but the old team and its history was wiped out by bad writing the dimension being altered.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 15, 2013, 07:24:33 PM
Wait, Threshold was canceled too ? When they canceled Blue Beetle they said "follow him in Threshold" and now they're cutting that out too (not that it did him any good).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 15, 2013, 09:02:08 PM
So I guess there aren't any more Legion books being published.

Hmm. Kinda feels like someone in a coma finally dying. :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 17, 2013, 01:28:04 AM
MTV Geek interviews Grant Morrison, and in his plans he wants to reintroduce Wally West in his new saga Multiversity (http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/05/15/an-evening-with-grant-morrison/)

I'm a bit scared about this (JM, this should stay here or maybe move to Morrison thread??)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on May 17, 2013, 03:14:44 AM
If anyone can pull off a batshit crazy multi-universe spanning story, it's Morrison.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 17, 2013, 05:06:44 AM
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Surprisingly citing The Hills as an inspiration, the disaffected super-kids will be introduced in ways similar to that program, and the utopian world brought on by their parents will be echoed by their dull, meaningless, “shallow” conversational patterns. We’ll also see the remnants of a bored Justice League, filled with nearly-forgotten 90s characters with nothing to do but superhero/supervillain battle re-enactments. When asked who would be appearing, Kyle Rayner will be the Green Lantern featured in the book, but Guy Gardner will be present. Other 90s characters set to appear include Bloodpack, Bloodwynd, Anima, Walker Gabriel and, yes, Wally West, amidst a host of other legacy characters introduced in the era, hinting at appearances by Azrael and the “replacement” Supermen.
Wow, that sounds wonderful. :brood:

I'm a bit scared about this (JM, this should stay here or maybe move to Morrison thread??)
Why would it go in the Morrison thread? This is about DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 17, 2013, 09:51:04 PM
I asked because is an interview to Morrison, that's all, it can be stay here :P but yeah, the way he wanted to reintroduce those characters it's like... no, just no >_<
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on May 24, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
Woohoo
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on May 24, 2013, 09:16:30 PM
Mixed feelings about this one.  Flashpoint was already kinda clusterfucky, so it seems like translating that to a short movie could really screw things up.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 24, 2013, 11:03:37 PM
I like Flashpoint, the only think it bothers me it's a introduction to The New 52 and a rechange for all we already knew. If it was just another crossover saga like Blackest Night, it would be great
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on May 30, 2013, 06:52:33 AM
Spoiler: for Justice League of America #4 (click to see content)

Also I'm gonna take a moment to say that I hate New 52 Orion.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 30, 2013, 07:43:29 AM
Wonder how long it'll last.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: walt on May 30, 2013, 11:21:22 PM
Weaboo alert! 

... I read it from right to left ; _ ;
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on June 04, 2013, 06:52:27 PM
Kinda tied to DC and it's comics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2y3s-MCMs

I've shed tears of joy for this amazing idea.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 05, 2013, 04:49:16 AM
Awwww. :')
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 18, 2013, 05:19:06 AM
So Doctor Light is getting reintroduced, with a non-rapey personality and is described as being a family man.  Matt Wilson over at the miraculously resurrected Comics Alliance thinks it's DC's coded way of announcing that they are moving away from Identity Crisis (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/12/justice-league-identity-crisis-doctor-light-dc/), and all the cancerous effects it has had on DC as a whole. It's a good read, and it may signal good things to come from DC. Or it could end up that the storyline ends with Light's family dead and him up to his rapey tricks.

In summation fuck Brad Meltzer.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on June 18, 2013, 06:25:14 AM
In summation fuck Doctor Light.
Fixed
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on June 18, 2013, 06:26:50 AM
That comic had more problems then just Doctor Light, so, no.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on June 18, 2013, 08:05:48 AM
So Doctor Light is getting reintroduced, with a non-rapey personality and is described as being a family man.  Matt Wilson over at the miraculously resurrected Comics Alliance thinks it's DC's coded way of announcing that they are moving away from Identity Crisis (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/12/justice-league-identity-crisis-doctor-light-dc/), and all the cancerous effects it has had on DC as a whole. It's a good read, and it may signal good things to come from DC. Or it could end up that the storyline ends with Light's family dead and him up to his rapey tricks.

In summation fuck Brad Meltzer.
Oh god I really do hope they move away from.....that.

Identity Crisis was one overblown story in all honesty. Doctor Light was probably the worse affected of all the characters from that.

In other news, the current writer of Swamp Thing will be moving to a new Superman/Wonder Woman series that will be launched in October. (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3238540/new-supermanwonder-woman-coming-in-october-from-swamp-thing-scribe/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: SNT on June 19, 2013, 06:02:15 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/17/injustice-gods-among-us-writer-tom-taylor-to-write-earth-2/

I like what I've read of Injustice, and he's from Melbourne so I have to be in his corner.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on July 12, 2013, 12:56:33 AM
http://voicesfromkrypton.net/exclusive-supermanbatman-series-that-could-have-been/
boop.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 12, 2013, 04:11:15 AM
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Clark and Bruce become friends, but Batman and Superman hate each other. Then they realize who each other is and get on the right side and end up living in the same building.


Holy crap, I'd watch the shit out of that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on July 16, 2013, 01:05:11 AM
So much more preferable.  Why instead do we get ninja sidekick and gun-wielding Alfred?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on July 16, 2013, 01:19:25 AM
That would have been glorious, yes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on July 16, 2013, 07:40:10 AM
So much more preferable.  Why instead do we get ninja sidekick and gun-wielding Alfred?
i don't know which is the worse of the two.
this alfred design is horrible.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on July 16, 2013, 03:21:27 PM
I'm just going to assume that those who are saying they wanted the Batman/Superman over Batman/Alfred/Katana are just joking and they honestly don't care much of a difference for either.

I watched Episode 1, it's not great but it's not bad either. I get what's going on and I get what's basically going to happen/be happening.
Okay so I don't know much of anything about Alfred that didn't happen in the animations or wasn't briefly mentioned somewhere (like him quitting at some point and then returning).
With that said, Alfred was (in DCAU) formerly a soldier or government agent or something in his youth (Batman Animated Series).
Alfred (Beware the Batman) is considerably younger in the series; he seems to be in his sixties everywhere else, whilst he's probably in his forties here.
So, Alfred use to be an MI6 agent, now he's Bruce Wayne/Batman's Butler and he wants to do whatever he can to protect him.

With those factors in mind, I get why he'd probably be using guns (time to time). Is it different? Yes. Is it a far stretch from the character's foundation (given what little I have on him in the first place)? No.
If you want to go whining about the show get your eyes off the butler and look at the villains (the pig and the frog).


As for Batman/Superman, I don't get it. It sounds more like a sitcom. I can see if it was a web series or was designed to play around Teen Titans Go!, but alone in place of Beware the Batman (which also seems like a replacement for The Batman btw) it's a terrible idea.

I mean Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent friends? Okay. Batman and Superman not liking each other (at first)? Same in the comics. Clark living in Gotham and him and Bruce live in the same building? That's going too far.
Clark, I can get; he's new and at that point in his life when he wanted to go somewhere new, but decided to stay in Gotham for a bit (just because).
But what, did Bruce Wayne get his allowance cut has to rent an apartment now but is still out Batmanning on a budget now?

I'd be all for a Batman/Superman Series, but that plot had to seriously change.
Hell I would still watch it (scrapped draft), but to me it just shouts that Ultimate Spider-Man is a great show.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on July 16, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
Is it a far stretch from the character's foundation (given what little I have on him in the first place)? No.
Alfred's been the Wayne's butler since before Bruce was born or around Bruce's younger years, at the very least he's the one who raised him after his parents died. I don't know when the MI6 background came up but it's not something that's often there AFAIK. I never heard of it before your post, in fact (not that I keep up with any series).
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Clark living in Gotham and him and Bruce live in the same building? That's going too far.
Clark, I can get; he's new and at that point in his life when he wanted to go somewhere new, but decided to stay in Gotham for a bit (just because).
But what, did Bruce Wayne get his allowance cut has to rent an apartment now but is still out Batmanning on a budget now?
Depends on the premise. If it's written well, it can be made to make sense. Bruce doesn't have to have lost all his money to go out and live like a rebel in a small place, it could very well just a billionaire's whim. And we don't even know if the apartment would have been a run-down building of any kind, it could have been a fancy place that billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne just happens to own and sometimes crash at with babes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on July 16, 2013, 03:35:39 PM
they would play off each other really well, bat ninja would try to stealth his way into places just for supes to crash through the wall accidentaly while searching for him.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on July 16, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
they would play off each other really well, bat ninja would try to stealth his way into places just for supes to crash through the wall accidentaly while searching for him.

I smell a sitcom  :impressed:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on July 16, 2013, 03:48:23 PM
isnt that the whole point? They play off each others with blatant different personalities and in the end of the day they know theres no one they rather trust.
They are bromantics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on July 16, 2013, 06:31:14 PM
in comics:
in the "batman reborn" era, alfred made a lot of references when he was member of mi6 in "outsiders". Just to show he was more than batman's butler.
i remember he said the same thing before in the scarecrow saga by winick/Nguyen, when he "knifed" scarecrow's eyes.
Before crisis alfred was a ww2 fighter with Lucius fox during gerry conway's run. He would find his daughter he had with a french resistant.

Hope this helps you: i 'm slightly obsessed with batman, just a room with all the comics, toys, ...

Ps: i didn't Watch the new show and i'm in no hurry to do it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 17, 2013, 09:50:35 AM
If you want to go whining about the show get your eyes off the butler and look at the villains (the pig and the frog).
They're existing characters. Neutered to the point of being mostly unrelated save for their name and look, but existing characters nonetheless. Alfred with Gun Butler Action? It's a bit too silly.

But what, did Bruce Wayne get his allowance cut has to rent an apartment now but is still out Batmanning on a budget now?
Batman lived in a penthouse for like, ten years. ¬_¬
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on July 17, 2013, 05:05:44 PM
But what, did Bruce Wayne get his allowance cut has to rent an apartment now but is still out Batmanning on a budget now?
Batman lived in a penthouse for like, ten years. ¬_¬

When?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on July 17, 2013, 07:14:43 PM
mostly in the 70's when he left the batcave to be in the city faster, more near the "enemy", he made the penthouse his batcave annexe after he was beaten by bane. Then dick when he was batman during "batman reborn", made the penthouse his own batcave too.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on July 17, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
I mean Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent friends? Okay. Batman and Superman not liking each other (at first)? Same in the comics. Clark living in Gotham and him and Bruce live in the same building? That's going too far.
Clark, I can get; he's new and at that point in his life when he wanted to go somewhere new, but decided to stay in Gotham for a bit (just because).
But what, did Bruce Wayne get his allowance cut has to rent an apartment now but is still out Batmanning on a budget now?
You're not reading much comics as I read in your post. Batman and Superman ARE FRIENDS since long time ago, not BFF as you can think, but friends anyway. Their superhero alter-egos has some rivaltries, but as Bruce and Clark they go very well, both know their secrets and they help in the few cases they need. Also Supes gave Bats the kryptonite ring in case he went out of control (which it happened in Batman: Hush when Poison Ivy takes control of Superman, saga I'm actually reading). Also, Bruce bought Daily Bugle when it was bankrupcy as a favor for Clark and Lois. And not to mentioning the series both have for years before New52. So yeah, they're friends :P

Also, is someone aware of New 52's Trinity War saga (http://www.comicvine.com/trinity-war/4045-56776/)?? I'm not reading any of New52 titles since a time ago, but it announces like the bigges DC crossover right now (with JL, JLA and JLDark, with Deadman, Zatanna and John Constantine inside) and the serious appearance of Pandora... is someone here reading this??
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on July 18, 2013, 05:59:14 AM
You're not reading much comics as I read in your post. Batman and Superman ARE FRIENDS since long time ago, not BFF as you can think, but friends anyway. Their superhero alter-egos has some rivaltries, but as Bruce and Clark they go very well, both know their secrets and they help in the few cases they need. Also Supes gave Bats the kryptonite ring in case he went out of control (which it happened in Batman: Hush when Poison Ivy takes control of Superman, saga I'm actually reading). Also, Bruce bought Daily Bugle when it was bankrupcy as a favor for Clark and Lois. And not to mentioning the series both have for years before New52. So yeah, they're friends :P

Batman and Superman not liking each other (at first)? Same in the comics.

I said "at first".
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on July 18, 2013, 07:14:51 AM


Also, is someone aware of New 52's Trinity War saga (http://www.comicvine.com/trinity-war/4045-56776/)?? I'm not reading any of New52 titles since a time ago, but it announces like the bigges DC crossover right now (with JL, JLA and JLDark, with Deadman, Zatanna and John Constantine inside) and the serious appearance of Pandora... is someone here reading this??

Yes, it started well, now i'm curious to see where all this is going on. 1 casualty so far.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2013, 07:40:51 AM
Batman and Superman ARE FRIENDS since long time ago, not BFF as you can think, but friends anyway.
They used to be BFF's, but then Crisis happened and eventually everybody thought it would be a great idea to turn Batman's personality into DKR, completely missing the entire point of why old Batman is like that and that it is a marked contrast to how he used to be. Ugh.

And then there is this
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2013/07/SANDMAN-OVERTURE-MCKEAN-e1374040473574.jpg)
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2013/07/SANDMAN-OVERTURE-01.jpg)
yes god yes
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on July 20, 2013, 07:31:27 AM
 :swoon: this is a miracle, I'm sure of that!! (also, welcome back Vertigo!!)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Red hood on July 20, 2013, 07:38:10 AM
ho man, so sad j h williams 3 won't be pencilling batwoman anymore  :knife:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Joulz on August 18, 2013, 09:33:33 PM
omfg i just randomly found that "Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox": WOW!
very nicely written
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 20, 2013, 09:03:03 PM
After watching the movie, I found that either A) I needed to read all of the tie-ins as well in order to fully grasp what was going on, or B) I simply don't really understand what's going on in comic books :).

They're also in the progress of making a Justice League movie based on their post-Flashpoint origins and Darkseid invasion.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 21, 2013, 09:13:36 AM
Reading the tie-ins isn't really gonna help. It's not a 100% accurate adaptation. What exactly is so confusing?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 23, 2013, 06:07:09 AM
I know it's not a shot for shot adapt, I looked through some pages in the comic to make sure I didn't just forget it or something :).

I read only Flashpoint so I understood that
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Come to think of it if that's the only important thing in both sources then I guess I just didn't understand all of those side characters like Slade, Grifter and Kal-El, whom were kind of interesting but could have been cut out of the movie without really leaving major plot-holes.

....
...
...
Okay I just skimmed through the fifth comic to make sure of it and yes, I definitely just don't understand the comics.

In the movie I understood why it was SOOO important for him to go back, but in the comic I just see a
Quote
BOOOOOOOOOM
multiple times behind him while he's telling himself that he has to run.
I had NO freakin idea what that was suppose to be, and all the action panels are so compact to where you can only see so much of what's going on.

If I didn't have an obsession with these stories, comics would NEVER be for me. (beats books though)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 08:32:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bVWNcCU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eTBFK8f.jpg)

guess who is this buffet of manliness
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on August 23, 2013, 08:35:13 PM
...
...
...

Okay, that is it. I am done.
It's over, Jim. It is over.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: walt on August 23, 2013, 08:36:38 PM
It's almost as if they sat down in a room and said "Let's take everything we know about this character's traits, throw them out the window, and do the complete opposite"
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 修羅 on August 23, 2013, 08:46:19 PM
DmC: DC Mangles Characters.

Seriously, on its own, I'd like this design on a new character, perhaps another Czarnian since, well, Lobo's technically not the last Czarnian as his long time title implied.

But this as a design for Lobo himself?
Get the fuck outta here, really? Really?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 08:52:41 PM
it could have been slobo.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on August 23, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
holy shit why DC why.

What.....
is.....
THIS?!!!?.......
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on August 23, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
As if fucking up Orion wasn't enough for DC......
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on August 23, 2013, 10:09:50 PM
They turned Lobo from a parody of the dark ages into a genuine one. Eww.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: D'Evil on August 23, 2013, 10:13:58 PM
How do you even fuck up Lobo that bad?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 23, 2013, 11:08:31 PM
People, there're more designs... but they aren't better than those ones (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2013/08/23/whats-new-in-the-new-52-lobos-new-look) :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on August 23, 2013, 11:46:48 PM
I could live with design #1 and #2.
They are silly, but Lobo still looks like a pool of manliness there.
Unlike the one that was picked up... I look manlier than that Lobo. :/
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Joulz on August 24, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

what is this shit? a crossover with Twilight? wtf
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 24, 2013, 03:33:58 AM
Just when you thought DC can't get any more hilariously incompetent.

Bob Harras said:
There’s a darker and more logical idea about what a force of nature like him is capable of. After all, this is someone who can infiltrate high society, fly a space ship, and adhere to a very specific moral code that’s not your typical anti-hero one.
They sure have a great grip on who Lobo is.

it could have been slobo.
Who? From what? Young Justice? Get that shit outta here. We're making mature comics for mature adults here at DC Comics.

As if fucking up Orion wasn't enough for DC......
I haven't read Wonder Woman in a while, what happened?

They turned Lobo from a parody of the dark ages into a genuine one. Eww.
I'm not really getting that sense, he actually seems much more what Lobo would've looked like had Keith Giffen wanted to make fun of the New 52 stuff (he even has a stupid high collar! and pointless details everywhere! and looks young and un-grizzled!) I've actually heard people theorize that this new Lobo is a parody of the New 52 in general, much like oldLobo's very design signified the type of things he parodied.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on August 24, 2013, 03:38:58 AM
I haven't read Wonder Woman in a while, what happened?
Spoiler: all you need to see (click to see content)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 24, 2013, 03:56:32 AM
Who? From what? Young Justice? Get that shit outta here. We're making mature comics for mature adults here at DC Comics.
:cawg:

Thanks DC for remind me again why I stopped to read your comics because of The New 52. Fucking Didio
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on August 24, 2013, 06:01:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/bVWNcCU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eTBFK8f.jpg)

guess who is this buffet of manliness
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO LOBO!?

Every single....WHAT IN THE INFINITE FUCK...

I wasn't a huge fan of Lobo, but even I knew why people liked the guy but this is...
This is like Donte all over again.

     Posted: August 24, 2013, 06:04:55 AM
I haven't read Wonder Woman in a while, what happened?
Spoiler: all you need to see (click to see content)

I'm guessing

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 24, 2013, 06:07:00 AM
After seeing what DiDio did to HulkMAC, I never doubted about how DC f*cked up his characters thanks to New 52 (inb4 Liefeld's Deathstroke)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2013, 06:23:28 AM
... HulkMAC? OMAC? OMAC was batshit insane and kinda awesome, what are you talking about?

Also DiDio isn't in charge anymore. -_-
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 25, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
(http://senseofrightalliance.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/i-am-omac.jpg)
O.M.A.C. Smash!!

You can't compare this Hulk blue clone with the original OMAC Kirby created, even he doesn't have the original mohican but instead a plume of feathers!? When OMAC was adviced as one of new released for New 52 reboot, I was very enthusiastic about him, but after reading it (I hated the first issue, but I still reading until #8). The only good thing I would rescue is Keith Giffen's reminiscence of Kirby's drawing. But that's all... I'm a fan of OMAC in general, but that attempt I hated it with all my being
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on August 26, 2013, 12:52:18 AM
His human alter-ego is even an Asian Banner.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on August 26, 2013, 02:07:42 AM
Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: GOH on August 26, 2013, 11:24:41 AM
Nuthin'. Wonder Woman has been asking for a slap on dat ass for years.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 26, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
Maaaan, New 52 O.M.A.C. was one of the few bright spots of this wretched reboot. Sure it's basically just a cover of Kirby, but that's nice. I mean it's not a classic or anything, but it's fun. And Giffen's art is great!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on August 26, 2013, 03:39:29 PM
Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
they made the guy to be the kind that goes around slapping wonderwoman in the ass .
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on August 26, 2013, 08:31:52 PM
Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
they made the guy to be the kind that goes around slapping wonderwoman in the ass .

Seriously? Okay, I can see that being stupid but I can easily tell a certain reviewer will blow it out as sexism if he ever gets to it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Snakebyte on August 26, 2013, 08:45:15 PM
Maaaan, New 52 O.M.A.C. was one of the few bright spots of this wretched reboot. Sure it's basically just a cover of Kirby, but that's nice. I mean it's not a classic or anything, but it's fun. And Giffen's art is great!

Why are you alive. :|
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on August 26, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
.........I liked O.M.A.C. too. That, Animal Man, and The Dial H for Hero reboots were the best things about New52.
Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
they made the guy to be the kind that goes around slapping wonderwoman in the ass .

Seriously? Okay, I can see that being stupid but I can easily tell a certain reviewer will blow it out as sexism if he ever gets to it.
The character was never meant to be like that though. It's just showing that DC has no idea what their doing with their own characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on August 27, 2013, 12:23:34 AM
.........I liked O.M.A.C. too. That, Animal Man, and The Dial H for Hero reboots were the best things about New52.
Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
they made the guy to be the kind that goes around slapping wonderwoman in the ass .

Seriously? Okay, I can see that being stupid but I can easily tell a certain reviewer will blow it out as sexism if he ever gets to it.
The character was never meant to be like that though. It's just showing that DC has no idea what their doing with their own characters.

Wait...is that the WW2 Pilot that she rescued at the start of her mythos?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on August 27, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
You mean Steve Trevor. Orion is the son of Darkseid but on the good side, raised by another good god. He looks like a jock up here, when he should be the kind of guy who gets the nickname "dog of war".
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on August 27, 2013, 12:35:42 AM
Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
they made the guy to be the kind that goes around slapping wonderwoman in the ass .

Seriously? Okay, I can see that being stupid but I can easily tell a certain reviewer will blow it out as sexism if he ever gets to it.

the whole point of the story is that he keeps belittling her for being a woman.
this is the guy that routinely had to face the furies.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on August 27, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
.........I liked O.M.A.C. too. That, Animal Man, and The Dial H for Hero reboots were the best things about New52.
You're forgetting Grifter, too. One of the best non-mainstram series The New 52 rebooted, IMO. Also I would recommend Voodoo in the same vein ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2013, 09:15:24 AM
Why are you alive. :|
I exist solely to hold views and opinions diametrically opposed to your own. Or perhaps it is the other way around?

We shall know for sure, in the end times, when we have our final battle.

You're forgetting Grifter, too.
Nah I'm pretty sure he didn't "forget" that. If he liked it he would've mentioned it. But if you like it that's cool.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on August 27, 2013, 08:46:59 PM
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g370/roman551/1377627661510.jpg) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/roman551/media/1377627661510.jpg.html)(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g370/roman551/1377627692869.jpg) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/roman551/media/1377627692869.jpg.html)

Batcow is getting a special Batman, Incorporated issue.

I'm okay with this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on August 27, 2013, 10:24:28 PM
You mean Steve Trevor. Orion is the son of Darkseid but on the good side, raised by another good god. He looks like a jock up here, when he should be the kind of guy who gets the nickname "dog of war".

THAT'S ORION?!
The same guy who if it was for restraints would be absolutely bloodthirsty? okay, NOW I see the problem?

Is anyone seriously gonna tell me what's going on in that Wonder Woman image up there?

What's so bad about it?
they made the guy to be the kind that goes around slapping wonderwoman in the ass .

Seriously? Okay, I can see that being stupid but I can easily tell a certain reviewer will blow it out as sexism if he ever gets to it.

the whole point of the story is that he keeps belittling her for being a woman.
this is the guy that routinely had to face the furies.

Okay, now I REALLY see the problem here...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 28, 2013, 09:51:14 AM
I wouldn't say Orion is bloodthirsty, per say.

Batcow is getting a special Batman, Incorporated issue.

I'm okay with this.
Only OK?!?!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on August 28, 2013, 11:07:22 PM
I wouldn't say Orion is bloodthirsty, per say.

Batcow is getting a special Batman, Incorporated issue.

I'm okay with this.
Only OK?!?!

Yeah, I can't exactly say it was bloodthirst either, it's kinda between intense rage and bloodlust.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on September 05, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Hoo Boy (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/05/jh-williams-iii-walks-off-batwoman-over-dc-not-allowing-her-marriage-to-maggie-sawyer/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 05, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
It seems DC Entertainment is once again in the middle of controversy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 06, 2013, 04:42:27 AM
Guys, you've to read this. It's now new, but it has a lot to do with DC. It's about how The New 52 f*cked up WildStorm Universe, take a read:
http://twoheadednerd.com/2012/10/19/small-man-big-mouth-welcome-to-the-dcu-wildstorm/
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on September 06, 2013, 04:49:22 AM
what didn't the New 52 fuck up though?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 06, 2013, 05:10:59 AM
Hoo Boy (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/05/jh-williams-iii-walks-off-batwoman-over-dc-not-allowing-her-marriage-to-maggie-sawyer/)
jesus fucking christ

Although I guess it could be worse, it could've been because they thought it would be too controversial and not because it would change the status quo and have a married couple and DC is absolutely horrified of doing that.

Guys, you've to read this. It's now new, but it has a lot to do with DC. It's about how The New 52 f*cked up WildStorm Universe, take a read:
http://twoheadednerd.com/2012/10/19/small-man-big-mouth-welcome-to-the-dcu-wildstorm/
The merging of the two universes (and Vertigo, because that became an alternate universe somehow) was mutually detrimental. It ruined most everything that was unique about each one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: GOH on September 06, 2013, 10:22:19 AM
It seems DC Entertainment is once again in the middle of controversy.
Can you be any more of a robot
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 06, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
I agree, I'm still thinking he's a kind of bot or something :borg:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on September 07, 2013, 12:55:33 AM
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2013/09/interview-of-the-day-vin-diesel-doesnt-give-a-fck-about-batman

Turns out vin diesel doesnt give a fuck about batman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 07, 2013, 01:18:36 AM
Wrong DC thread. >:[
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on September 07, 2013, 03:36:11 AM
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2013/09/interview-of-the-day-vin-diesel-doesnt-give-a-fck-about-batman

Turns out vin diesel doesnt give a fuck about batman.

That's cool because most of us don't give a fuck about vin diesel :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 07, 2013, 03:40:18 AM
Hey man, Vin Diesel is cool. He got Dame Judi Dench to play Dungeons and Dragons with him.

That's not a joke or anything, that actually happened.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: GOH on September 07, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2013/09/interview-of-the-day-vin-diesel-doesnt-give-a-fck-about-batman

Turns out vin diesel doesnt give a fuck about batman.
What a dumbass question to make dafuq. Diesel owns.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 10, 2013, 03:15:19 AM
Guys... there's something REALLY wrong inside DC these days (http://jezebel.com/dc-comics-contest-draw-a-naked-woman-committing-suicid-1265537616)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2013, 06:57:56 AM
It's like DC is in a race to the bottom with themselves.

This is sorta good news, I guess: Marc Andreyko is the new writer of Batwoman (http://comicsalliance.com/marc-andreyko-to-write-batwoman-starting-with-issue-25/), and he's probably the best choice out of DC's current crop of writers. He is, after all, best known for his work on Manhunter, which stars a badass female superhero with great gay characters. And he's gay himself too!

But it's still utterly shameful that Williams and Blackman were treated so shitty that they had no other recourse but to leave, and goddammit, can't Kate just have a win for once? Does every single person in the New 52 have to be a miserable single sad-sack?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on September 10, 2013, 07:42:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eV1WovO.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Lichtbringer on September 10, 2013, 08:00:29 PM
Guys... there's something REALLY wrong inside DC these days (http://jezebel.com/dc-comics-contest-draw-a-naked-woman-committing-suicid-1265537616)

Seems that Anita Sarkeesian and the other internet Feminists have something new to write about.^^
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 10, 2013, 08:40:39 PM
http://i.imgur.com/eV1WovO.jpg
METROSEXUAL LOBO!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :flipout:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on September 10, 2013, 10:06:31 PM
"No, that is not the final design we will go with"

And they went with that shitty, unmanly design and dared to call it Lobo. -_-
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 10, 2013, 10:39:41 PM
Edward Cullen, the Main Man :biker:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 11, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
I gotta believe that this is all some kind of elaborate feint by DC, and metrosexual Lobo will be killed at the end of this issue or arc or whatever by the real Lobo or something. Because otherwise... it's just too stupid, even for DC.

Seems that Anita Sarkeesian and the other internet Feminists have something new to write about.^^
You can't be serious.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 11, 2013, 04:17:51 PM
As I read in the news about it, the past Lobo we saw in previous N52's DC publications (Red Lanterns, StormWatch, Deathstroke) is in reality a bad clone of the real Lobo... which is that metrosexual thing we saw in that Supergirl cover. I don't know, it's like a kick in the nuts in my younghood... apart of all of those already DC did with the whole N52...

In a relative news apart, I've read complete Team 7 from New 52 (a.k.a. Deathstroke & co., guest starring Grifter). My bad, my head almost blown, but not for the action or the awesomeness... it's for the whole inconsistences and treatment to characters that made me get a headache. I read the original Team 7 by WildStorm (in the time it was from Image) and there's nothing to do with them, except for some issues like few of their group (John Lynch, Cole Cash and Alex Fairchild) and the ulterior plot (an elite paramilitar group which was used to get and awake their inner powers). But there's nothing left...

Seems that Anita Sarkeesian and the other internet Feminists have something new to write about.^^
You can't be serious.
Maybe yes, looks like this is a new case of "Women in Refrigerators" as I read in some comments about that news (not just in that article I posted)...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Graphicus on September 12, 2013, 02:52:22 AM
Since no one seems to have mentioned this (I searched this topic and didn't find nuttin') and the general feelings about DC in general seem to be at an all time low in this thread, I thought I'd cheer you up with THIS!:

http://limbero.org/jl8/1

It's the first in a series of incredibly cute and well written comic strips starring the Justice League as 8-year olds! I suggest you all give it a read, even if you're not that much into DC. It's really great! :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 12, 2013, 02:55:06 AM
Maybe yes, looks like this is a new case of "Women in Refrigerators" as I read in some comments about that news (not just in that article I posted)...
Is Women in Refrigerators a bad word now too? What the hell is going on?!?

Since no one seems to have mentioned this (I searched this topic and didn't find nuttin') and the general feelings about DC in general seem to be at an all time low in this thread, I thought I'd cheer you up with THIS!:

http://limbero.org/jl8/1

It's the first in a series of incredibly cute and well written comic strips starring the Justice League as 8-year olds! I suggest you all give it a read, even if you're not that much into DC. It's really great! :)
Hah, what a weird coincidence, I just started reading it. It's pretty great, very fun, although I don't see why the author chose Power Girl, since she doesn't really behave at all like Power Girl, and also has a crush on Superman which is just yuck. (I know, the author said they're not related in this universe, but still!) Seems like I dunno, Black Canary or Zatanna or someone would work better. Plus they're much more closely associated with the Justice League!

and also zzz Hal and Barry how boring
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 12, 2013, 03:28:29 AM
Is Women in Refrigerators a bad word now too? What the hell is going on?!?
Now?? Always has been a bad word in comics. One guy sent to that DC "contest" that iconic page of WIR with Kyle finding his girl in a refrigerator, I don't know if he has an answer to this, but I bet not

Since no one seems to have mentioned this (I searched this topic and didn't find nuttin') and the general feelings about DC in general seem to be at an all time low in this thread, I thought I'd cheer you up with THIS!:

http://limbero.org/jl8/1

It's the first in a series of incredibly cute and well written comic strips starring the Justice League as 8-year olds! I suggest you all give it a read, even if you're not that much into DC. It's really great! :)
I knew about that webcomic, it's a great experience and the author knows a lot about DC to make that comic, I like it a lot, but I got lost since a time to now (I read until 31 but now it goes like in 142, I'm very lost on it)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 12, 2013, 03:30:52 AM
Now?? Always has been a bad word in comics.
I meant like, "Women in refrigerators is bad and stupid and not real", not that the concept wasn't bad (because it is, it's shitty writing)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 12, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
Bad news guys: Geoff Johns is leaving Aquaman after #25 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/09/geoff-johns-leaving-aquaman). Mostly to focusing in other projects like Forever Evil and Justice League. Damn... :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 12, 2013, 05:27:33 PM
Oh no! Aquaman was great in his hands.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on September 12, 2013, 05:31:22 PM
didnt he make the normal civilians of dc act as if aquaman was a joke even tho he was lifting trucks and saving them from monsters?
he literally had people walk up to him and tell him he was pathetic just so he could show that he wasnt.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on September 12, 2013, 05:36:06 PM
You obv didn't read Aquaman, he was making fun of the whole "Aquaman is useless" joke that's been around since superfriends, he had people randomly asking him about his power set not calling him pathetic and whatnot. I liked johns run on Aquaman, it actually got me into the character. Although I love mera more (Redheads are one of my weaknesses)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on September 12, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
i read the whole run, he had people stop midway being attacked by giant monsters to complain they wished they were being saved by a real hero.

the whole thing opened with a blogger interviewing him with a videocamera telling him that he couldnt eat fish because he talked to them.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 12, 2013, 07:26:46 PM
That's one of the best moments in Aquaman run, I laughed when I read this for first time

(http://www.abload.de/img/25jxc.jpg)

Also, I feel bad for Aquaman and Mera now, Johns revived the characters awesomely since Blackest Night event and now he's gone. One of the best titles of New 52 won't be the same without him :'(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 13, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
You obv didn't read Aquaman, he was making fun of the whole "Aquaman is useless" joke that's been around since superfriends, he had people randomly asking him about his power set not calling him pathetic and whatnot. I liked johns run on Aquaman, it actually got me into the character. Although I love mera more (Redheads are one of my weaknesses)

Considering your avatar and signature is that of Pro. Kitty Pryde, that is something.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2013, 06:50:02 AM
You obv didn't read Aquaman
Nah that's pretty much exactly how Geoff Johns writes Aquaman. Pretty much every single thing in that book was happened like it did just to set up various anti-Aquaman strawmen for Geoff Johns to knock down. Just awful.

I hate to be the guy who always links to Chris Sims articles, but...
Quote
Aquaman’s reintroduction in the increasingly inaccurately named “New 52″ is just mind-blowing in how little sense it makes, because it is nothing but a reaction to the Aquaman Sucks joke. Everyone in that comic who is not Aquaman or sleeping with Aquaman is constantly telling Aquaman how awful he is, despite the fact that there is absolutely no reason for them to think that. Aquaman is presented as a superhero who is reasonably capable, but he’s constantly being reacted to by people who apparently have the same jokes in a world where Aquaman actually exists and helped save the world from an alien invasion by brutally stabbing Parademons with a trident as we do in a world where Aquaman was a character on a stupid cartoon thirty years ago. There is a scene in Justice League where a bunch of people watch Aquaman rescue every passenger on a capsized cruise ship, something that would be impressive as hell and is presented as such, and they stand around cracking jokes like they’re the writing staff of Robot Chicken.
it's just such a perfect takedown (http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-137-aquaman-super-friends-justice-league/)

BatB or DCAU Aquaman are the only versions worth caring about. The rest are either, at best aggressively mediocre or at worst OUTRAGEOUSly terrible.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on September 13, 2013, 02:21:43 PM
Awww, I thought the run made Aquaman good. It at least made Mera and the Aquaman mythos relevant.

And Aquaman just got his awesome beard from BatB too.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 02, 2013, 06:48:54 AM
So... Sandman Overture came out.

It's amazing. Oh my god. J.H. Williams III continues to amaze me each and every time I see a new issue of anything he's done.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2014, 03:46:47 AM
Wally West returns... (http://comicsalliance.com/wally-west-flash-return-dc-comics-new-52/)
(http://i.imgur.com/5ogDquo.jpg)
in a hideous outfit.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2014, 03:50:03 AM
Hideous outfits and redesigns are a requirement of the New 52 don't you know?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2014, 03:51:05 AM
This one ranks pretty high in the awful New 52 costume department, though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 14, 2014, 04:19:31 AM
Shitty 90's reboot costume aside, I have no idea how this is going to work. Flash is one of the few nu52 books I've kept up with (mostly because of Manapul's exciting panel work), and this just raises huge questions. For Wally to both exist AND be fully grown AND still be Iris's nephew he'd have to either be from the future or the result of Reverse Flash getting it on with someone in the past. Either way, it's too damn soon for more Flash time shenanigans.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Nero D. on January 14, 2014, 04:33:41 AM
no

nu52

its not

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on January 14, 2014, 02:25:17 PM
Kinda late on this one, but I just saw that Stephanie Brown is coming back too - http://comicsalliance.com/stephanie-brown-return-scott-snyder-batman-eternal-nycc-2013-dc/

Seems like they are bringing back all the characters they discarded at the reboot.  Stephanie is one that I actually would like to see come back, though I doubt whoever writes her will live up to the Batgirl series.  That was one of my favorite runs.

EDIT: Just noticed that two or three of the scenes on the Wally cover have him in his Red look and seem to be in direct juxtaposition to the blue look.  Seems like they are hinting at some type of back-story involving a change into this new Blue Flash.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on January 15, 2014, 08:33:53 PM
Batgirl #27
(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/January-2014-DC-Comics-Solicitations-Batgirl-27.jpg)

Just saw this and it piqued my interest.  After a google search, appears it's part of a new crossover "Gothopia" where Gotham is the safest city in the world and it might be a alternate reality, but we don't know yet...?

Is anyone reading this at all and if so what are the reactions to it?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 16, 2014, 06:58:16 PM
This one ranks pretty high in the awful New 52 costume department, though.
I've seen worse than that *ahemOMACahem*

Also, this costume reminds me to Black Flash in part, as well Blue Lantern Flash from Blackest Night... and not to mention Cobalt Blue (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/cobalt.html), name of various Flash enemies pre-N52

Batgirl #27
White Lantern Barbara??
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on January 16, 2014, 08:42:59 PM
Batgirl #27
White Lantern Barbara??
That was my first thought.  But no, it's Gothopia Batgirl - an alternate timeline/different dimension/alternate something version.  Apparently they haven't revealed the full details of what exactly Gothopia is yet and it just started.

Not gunna lie, I kind of like the design (besides the fact that the mask does absolutely nothing to obscure her identity), but it would look tons better in black.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on January 17, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50347

Welp.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on January 17, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50347

Welp.
wat?
Quote
Captain Cold is among the lineup
WAT?

     Posted: January 17, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50340

More info on New52 Wally...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on January 17, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
I read that concerning Lex Luthor & Captain Cold joining the Justice League. I got one thing to say: IS DC OUT OF THEIR MINDS?! Lex Luthor is one of the greatest DC villains of all time (the other two being the Joker and the Cheetah) and Captain Cold is one of the Rogues which troubles the Flash on occasion. Why would they even be in the Justice League in the first place? Furthermore, where is Superman and the Flash?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on January 17, 2014, 05:29:17 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50347

Welp.
That's pretty batshit insane. Could be cool, though I do wonder why they went with Captain Cold.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on January 23, 2014, 06:14:44 AM
Hey guys, guess who's back on the New 52?? (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/movienewsandreviews/news/?a=93125)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on January 23, 2014, 06:24:22 AM
don't kill Jaime don't kill Jaime don't kill Jaime don't kill Jaime
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2014, 02:10:42 PM
Hey guys, guess who's back on the New 52?? (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/movienewsandreviews/news/?a=93125)
Seriously, why the hell even keep the New 52 if all that's happening is every character and storyline that was cut out to "simplify" the timeline is just slowly added back in and the timeline is just retconned slowly to match the old universe?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 23, 2014, 03:42:59 PM
1) Because they've invested marketing and time and everything under the sun in rebooting this universe. B) Because they never gave a crap about continuity in the first place. As long as the characters aren't 30 year olds with families and adult problems (or in the case of the Bat family, "happy") they don't care what the history is.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on January 24, 2014, 05:54:42 PM
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

 :grin2:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I REEAALLLY like the picture and costume.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Makurayami on January 25, 2014, 02:02:31 AM
Apparently her moniker is Bluebelle instead of Batgirl in that one.  But it's too bad the costume is only around for the crossover :(.

     Posted: January 25, 2014, 01:42:05 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50347

Welp.

I think I get this now. I just finished Trinity War and I'm going to guess the Lex that joins the League is a good version from Earth 3 that came through the dimension portal thing with the evil league as the unknown prisoner.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on April 25, 2014, 03:02:26 AM
Reviving the thread for this: WALLY WEST IS FINALLY BACK IN THE FLASH #30...

...but as a biracial/not redhead white guy, which is also a future Flash or so (http://www.newsarama.com/20938-the-flash-writers-talk-wally-west-changes-and-the-future-flash-spoilers.html)

I don't know what to say about this... fuck you DC, maybe... :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2014, 03:17:06 AM
I imagine this is to be in line with the Flash spin-off of Arrow, because the West family is black in that.

I don't think it matters much if he's biracial, but he why'd they give him black hair? Make him a red-head, dammit! I don't care if it wouldn't work!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on April 25, 2014, 03:33:37 AM
You'd be wrong, because Iris and her brother Daniel are white and as far as I know there's no plans for Wally yet in the Flash show. This is just a diversity move, but it doesn't really matter since they've already screwed up by making him a teenager. We don't need two Kid Flashes, dammit!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2014, 03:40:47 AM
I just meant the show! (http://screencrush.com/cw-flash-spinoff-candice-patton-iris-west-carlos-valdes-vibe/) It wouldn't surprise me if they had a time-traveling Wally somewhere down the line over there.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on April 25, 2014, 04:25:31 AM
^ That reminds me the black versions of white characters in old DC movies like Burton's Stevie Wonder Harvey Dent in first Batman movie (I saw it the other day, what a memories) :P

I read all the comments about the return of Wally and all points to the same thing: it's a cheap excuse to make more racial diversity and revive a character using it (and he even doesn't look as Wally at all), instead to create new characters or revive old ones like from Milestone Universe (you know, Static Shock wasn't the only hero from this dead editorial which DC has rights until now). And I totally agree, one more reason to ditch New 52 and DC in general :knife:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2014, 04:30:47 AM
Billy Dee Williams would've been an amazing Two-Face. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe discussion
Post by: Edtion on April 27, 2014, 01:02:15 AM
Stopped reading Flash about a year ago, it started to get awful ... and from the looks of things it still is.

BTW:
Can someone just create a single "Comics discussion thread"?

You could have just as easily created the thread yourself:
Comic Books (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/comic-books-159144.0.html)

If your suggestion was more on the lines of merging all the comic related pages into one, there would be too much clutter for that; another thing could be a sub-forum for comics and/or books, but I don't think there's enough traffic for these two to convince Administration to make a separate section dedicated for that (you could ask them though).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on April 28, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
I think it's fine, with all the sh--bad things DC and Marvel had did these years, the other editorials become more known than before, especially the ones that adapt famous TV series and movies
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on May 04, 2014, 02:28:24 AM
For Free Comic Day enjoy twenty pages of murder! (http://comicsalliance.com/dcs-futures-end-0-free-comic-book-day-2014-review/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 04, 2014, 03:35:32 AM
for fuck's sake
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on May 04, 2014, 03:50:03 AM
...
Are they trying to push their readers away or what?
I can't understand what their directors are trying to achieve with this kind of stupidity. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 04, 2014, 04:44:35 AM
Mark Waid, from the year 2000 said:
Yeah, that’s at least temporarily true. Apparently, the fact that Bob was fired for unfair and wrong reasons one September rather than for all the tens of hundreds of RIGHT reasons he’d racked up in the seven years PREVIOUS gave a lot of staffers a sudden change of heart. Amazing. Overnight, they forgot what a two-faced, cowardly liar Bob had been and what crap they’d all had to suffer through because of his shortcomings as a manager. Instead, everyone was lighting candles for Bob. Jesus. You want to know the truth? In my humble =koff= opinion, Bob did as much to help destroy the comic book industry during the 1990s than any other single human being alive. Yes, even more than Gareb. I’d even let Ron Perlman out of Hell before I’d pardon Bob. For years and years and years, the editorial philosophy at Marvel was to make each and every comic book as labyrinthine and confusing as creatively possible. Marvel had the single highest-profile comic book in the Western hemisphere–X-MEN–and Bob did everything imaginable to make it completely incomprehensible and inaccessible to new and/or casual readers. Everything.

“But, Mark…” I hear the whine. “But, Mark, Bob kept the X-books best-sellers in the industry during his tenure.” Technically true–but let’s look at the sales figures. Over the last six years, the sales margin between the X-books and their nearest competitors has dwindled from about three-to-one to barely 1.5-to-one. Woo-hoo. Cigars, everyone.

Here it is in a nutshell: Did you see that stupifyingly atrocious piece-of-crap X-MEN sampler comic in TV GUIDE? My rage had no words. It was a textbook example of how NOT to write and draw something a prospective first-time reader could possibly understand or enjoy or want to see more of. Hell, I’ve been reading comics for 34 years and I had to read it three times to figure out what was going on. TV GUIDE. Eight million households. A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for new market exposure. And everyone connected with it failed miserably. Fire them. Fire them all. We’re DYIN’ here. We cannot afford to blow ANY opportunity to find new readers.

Bob Harras is now the editor-in-chief of DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 04, 2014, 04:57:39 AM
But the seeds of it all were present at DC even before Harras took over; you still had people's arms being ripped off, mass death and destruction, pointless and confusing continuity changes, Superman being sad, completely fucking up the ability of people trying to tell a story (like, say, that time when Morrison asked specifically to not do anything with the New Gods because he was doing Final Crisis, and then DC does Countdown to Final Crisis and most ridiculously Death Of The New Gods, forcing Morrison to scramble to come up with a semi-coherent explanation of why all the New Gods are alive again), grim and gritty-ing up of everything to show that BIFF! POW! COMICS AREN'T FOR KIDS ANYMORE! and this is actually very mature and shut up Aquaman is totally cool.

Harras kicked it all that into overdrive, while also bringing over the time-tested and totally sustainable gimmicks he used in the 90s at Marvel that are sure to lead DC to everlasting prosperity.




... God, this is all so depressing
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sookoll on May 04, 2014, 07:09:52 AM
If I saw that cover in a store, I'd buy it. It reminds me of Bloodstorm and Superman vs The Terminator both of which also had covers that drew me in. But this isn't an Elseworlds?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 05, 2014, 06:20:17 AM
I'm still thinking this is somthing Superboy Prime would fix... kill them all (https://dcomixologyssl.sslcs.cdngc.net/i/3031/5352/4d80d6ea8eb6f.jpg?h=4376556443b435e01be476a8db55402d)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on May 06, 2014, 01:02:08 AM
And to no one's surprise DC fans don't find anything wrong with comic. They either find it really good or just average and forgettable.

It's not just DC themselves that are the problem. It seems both DC and it's fans are stuck in the 90's and never grew up.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 06, 2014, 03:23:07 AM
Best bet?

1: Fire anyone connected to that garbage "Future's End" comic, it's a ripoff of a Virus, which was a ripoff of 'The Thing', which, surprise surprise, bombed at the box-office.

2: Stop with these trash gimmicks, and actually focus on great writing in Detective Comics. You don't need gimmicks if you constantly put out quality material. 

3: Ready?-
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
     
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 06, 2014, 06:28:24 AM
And to no one's surprise DC fans don't find anything wrong with comic. They either find it really good or just average and forgettable.
Wasn't that the Final Crisis Legion crossover? I read that and I don't remember, but it looks like George Perez's art.

I really have no idea how to feel about all the Superboy-Prime as angry fanboy back on Earth-Prime stuff, because it feels both incredibly stupid but also kinda neat in a completely gonzo way.

Best bet?

1: Fire anyone connected to that garbage "Future's End" comic
Well, hold on now, Brian Azzarello, Jeff Lemire, and Keith Giffen were involved with the writing on that (although, it's almost certainly one of those "here is a list of shit that needs to happen, now fill in the dialogue" type deals, or at least, I hope to god that's the case). They're great!

Now, most importantly, if you as a 'professional' writer can't write/tell a great story in three months time..........Go the hell home.
Watchmen. Like, I could name literally thousands more (from both inside and outside of superhero comics), but more aren't really needed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on May 06, 2014, 01:49:04 PM
I was talking about Future's End actually but I guess it applies to anything DC makes these days.

Do they have a dismemberment fetish or something?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 06, 2014, 11:58:57 PM
Watchmen. Like, I could name literally thousands more (from both inside and outside of superhero comics), but more aren't really needed.

Eh?

Missed your point, what do you mean Watchmen?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 12:06:19 AM
Watchmen is a story that cannot be told in 3 months.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 07, 2014, 12:12:46 AM
I think the suggestion was to take 3 months to write a good story, even if the whole thing has to take several issues (each 3 months), rather than pumping out one issue each week and try to cram something, anything, in it, and have it hold through several issues. I understand it as, it's easier to take 3 months to write something good, and not force yourself to put out something new every week, as that reduces your chance of writing something good each week since you're more pressed by time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 12:15:27 AM
My interpretation was that, as a quarterly type deal, it'd have 3 issues worth of material, and that people who couldn't tell an entire story in 3 issues worth of pages should not be writing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 07, 2014, 12:22:37 AM
My interpretation was that, as a quarterly type deal, it'd have 3 issues worth of material, and that people who couldn't tell an entire story in 3 issues worth of pages should not be writing.


I meant 40 page issues released quarterly. Not the whole story.

If anything, Watchmen proves my point.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 12:24:55 AM
Watchmen's entire structure depends on it being 12 separate, 22-page issues (or chunks if you're reading it in collected form). It's why I brought it up!

I just don't think the problem is the time constraints, because people can and are handling that. It seems like DC's problem rests almost entirely in editorial.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 07, 2014, 12:38:04 AM
Not sure why that would effect anything, as it was a special event series, not a continuous, ongoing story. 

Watchmen isn't a good example really.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 12:39:55 AM
It doesn't matter all that much if it's a limited series or not; it was released like a normal ongoing book and had the same page number and structure. It's just the one book that most readily jumps to mind when I think about something that uses and takes advantage of the normal structure of a monthly comic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 07, 2014, 12:58:12 AM
I just don't think the problem is the time constraints, because people can and are handling that. It seems like DC's problem rests almost entirely in editorial.
This, totally this
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 07, 2014, 01:05:25 AM
Fair enough

Any thoughts on the idea? Comics are doing the same thing Hollywood dose these days, rush to put out product.

If DC/Marvel one day put out a statement saying "We're going to hold off on releasing this movie till X time so we can better create an enjoyable experience for the fan base, because we're out to deliver quality work " Who in their right mind would say no?

No, I want my garbled mess of a movie now, rather then wait for them to achieve excellence later? Who would do that? 
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 07, 2014, 01:30:21 AM
People who want to make two movies and get the money for two movies instead of one in the same time your suggestion would take to make one, that's who. Simple math, as long as the two movies each make more than half of what the one movie would make (in proportion to how much it cost to make either), they get out on top. After all, there's an upper limit to how much one movie could make, even an excellent one.
It's a short-sighted, immediate benefit point of view, but hey, who cares about long term. The Spiderman movies still make money (Marvel I know but good example of long running movies), Man of Steel made money, the upcoming DC movies will make money, that's all the long term they need. There are 9 movies supposedly being prepared, they wouldn't cut that to 5 even if they all were twice better, 9 will make more money.
BTW I think Marvel is doing pretty good on the movies, taking more time than they already do wouldn't be that important.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 07, 2014, 03:21:00 AM
 Oh, bloody hell man  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d1zpt6k5OI)

If it were AMC, I'd trust it, but this? hell no.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 07, 2014, 04:24:10 AM
I dunno. The premise could be interesting - showing us that Gotham really is a hell hole that couldn't survive without a hero like Batman, as well as showing the past of some iconic Batman villains (Batman being well known and loved for its rogue gallery and what each of them represents to Batman himself). But on the other hand, I don't really know what they could do if not constantly making the parallel between pre-Batman and Batman-era Gotham. It can't be just a bunch of crimes that go unsolved and the police being helpless to the point of ridicule for a decade or two, it has to actually have something. Jim Gordon personal drama can only go this far.
And I don't know how anyone could run a series with that. It sounds like a great Year One or Origin book, but it can't go much further than a one season series without showing us Batman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 04:33:40 AM
For years, people have gone on and on about how great Gotham Central would be as a series; police procedurals are a dime a dozen these days, they're easy to put together and sell to networks; a TV show that wouldn't have to show Batman in all but the briefest of glimpses and focus only on regular police work in a slightly fantastical world would not balloon the budget; a stone-cold classic comic series would provide a storyboarded blueprint of the first few years of the show, ready made. In short, it seemed like a total no-brainer, and thus people continued to ask for it.

Naturally, Warner Brothers decided to make a show that was kinda like Gotham Central but minus all the interesting bits (what is it like to be a police officer in a world where Batman exists?) and also adding teenage Bruce Wayne because Smallville.

:brood:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 07, 2014, 04:39:06 AM
That's not really teenage Bruce Wayne, isn't he like 8 or 12 years old when his parents get killed ? He's barely pre-teen, I don't call that Smallville influence - and I normally absolutely hate teen angst drama.
It looks like chibi-Bruce is already looking in a certain direction, though, so maybe he'll start learning a trick or two - not about combat obviously, but about staying hidden and picking up info and grabbing control, possibly vanquishing and using fear (though that may be a bit too dark with a 12 year old kid). That could work with the police work seemingly in the front of the show but really being only the background of Bruce's upbringing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 04:41:27 AM
Fine, pre-teen Bruce Wayne! I can't help but feel a Smallville influence because I have no doubt that they'll spend so much time doing stupid in-jokes about his later destiny and introduce all his villains before he becomes Batman and eventually 10 seasons will go by and he still will not have left to travel the world and become Batman.

:brood:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 07, 2014, 04:52:23 AM
Actually, that he's a child actor will probably work in the show's benefit. If the show manages to avoid the ax long enough to get to that level, I guarantee the actor who plays Bruce will leave the show at some point to pursue the wanderlust that comes with age. Like the Half Man did when he left Two and a Half Men, but hopefully with less religious fundamentalism.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 07, 2014, 04:52:32 AM
Well, most of those villains are supposed to be around by the time Batman comes up. They (or people like them) are the reason Gotham is a dump, and it's supposed to be like that when the Waynes get killed. I'd be fine if they only show the likes of Oswald or Selina being not yet Penguin or Catwoman but being the kids that would later become them (as long as it doesn't turn into that joke poster from a while back). They do have to come from somewhere, and the way I see it, precisely because they all antagonize Batman so well, it's nice to see how they became that, since we all know how Batman became Batman. Only Riddler seems way earlier than he should.
Speaking of the dump Gotham already is at that time, where's Black Mask, though ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 05:13:16 AM
In most interpretations of Batman, Gotham only has mobsters before Batman shows up (or I guess if you want to be super technical and fanwanky, and I am, then supervillains existed in the Golden Age and fought against Alan Scott, then mostly disappeared, then Batman showed up and they came back); it's a whole theme of Batman basically defeating crime itself (mundane, ordinary crime as represented by muggers to mobsters). Crime itself evolves in response to Batman, and suddenly psycho clowns show up, and everything goes nuts. People don't rob banks anymore, they start stealing Cat's Eye Jewels or robbing anything vaguely related to the number 2.

And in most cases that's true; a great majority of Batman's villains have their origin directly related to Batman: Joker falls into acid because of Batman (and is Red Hood before that because that's what people do now when they want to rob places, they put on costumes); Catwoman is inspired by Batman to dress up; Harvey Dent helps Batman take down the mob and gets his face half-scarred as a result, becoming Two-Face; and so on and so forth. There are of course many villains who come about without any involvement of Batman, but I can't really think any villains running around before Batman debuted (or in the case of Solomon Grundy, actively running around).

I think it's essential that that remains in place; it's a fundamental part of the story of Batman, that he conquers crime in Gotham, and makes it a better place. Sure, crime evolves and all those supervillains are running around, but on the whole, Batman made an improvement. If you have supervillains running around before Batman is already in place, it throws it all awry. Chris Sims has a good article about this whole thing. (http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-96-why-spider-man-is-the-best-character-ever-yes/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 07, 2014, 05:21:05 AM
One thing to keep in mind, Bruce isn't the main focus of this show. Take the Gotham/Gordon gimmick out of the equation, and you're left with a crime story, centered around the deaths of the only two socialites that were holding a bewildered city together. They could weave a story, like that of 'The Killing', but here, 'The big twist' being, that it wasn't any of the monsters whom benefit from the death and misery in the aftermath, just a mugger, out for a score.

That would be a great story, if it were on AMC. But we get FOX, the guys that killed FireFly and DollHouse.......It's doomed     
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 05:27:45 AM
Fox has been doing pretty well in their network decisions lately (of the big 4 networks, they are by far the most cognizant that the way people watch television is changing, so they factor in non-live transmission broadcasts into their decisions more than anyone else, it seems), so I'm not that worried about the stuff on their end (and AMC has a whole bunch of its own problems, witness the repeated fights with the showrunners of Breaking Bad and Mad Men, how fast the turnover is on showrunners on Walking Dead is, and their complete failure to do produce any shows as popular as all three or creatively successful as the two former ones).

They need a strong creative team, and I'm not too optimistic that they have a sure shot (though, the guy behind it was behind Rome). I'm more worried about Warner, because they will almost certainly take the lead here on any major creative decisions (to better tie into the movieverse).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 07, 2014, 05:34:14 AM
If you have supervillains running around before Batman is already in place, it throws it all awry.
The thing I'm hoping for is precisely that we see them when they're not yet supervillains. Oswald seems to be a rich little bitch as well as a complete pansy, but he's not yet a supervillain ; Selina is a street cat thief, but she doesn't put a costume yet, she just steals to survive. They'll be supervillains when Batman comes up, but I can see them being just plain assholes, who will one day decide to be complete freaks when a guy in a bat costume shows up. The trailer does seem to promise wanton violence and knife-wielding thugs and gun-point mugging and bank-robbing, which is, as you say, the kind of crime that should be around until Batman cleans it up (and starts creating supervillains).
The only issue is the "war" and "rivers of blood in the street" they mention, which implies they'll massively overdo it. Though they seem to be very heavily playing that around the Waynes murder as the flashpoint of crime, so maybe they actually have a story in mind pivoting around that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 07, 2014, 05:43:19 AM
Maybe it's just Smallville coloring my views but I just can't shake the feeling that they'll have them in full supervillain mode in 2 years or less; or failing that, supervillain mode but artificially restrained from going all out with costume and alias (much like by the last season of Smallville Clark had become a superpowered vigilante who worked at the Daily Bugle, romanced Lois, lived in Metropolis, fought Doomsday and Darkseid and Metallo and Brainiac, joined the Justice League, BUT did not yet call himself Superman nor done the tights, because that was what the show had to end on and they refused to budge from that)

guys, I really hate Smallville, I'm sorry. It hurt me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: walt on May 07, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
The cast looks promising, and I got chills from the Trailer.

Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 08, 2014, 12:48:18 AM
guys, I really hate Smallville, I'm sorry. It hurt me.

I feel your pain, it was the hight of 'sell out cash cow' shows. As bad as Superboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVB7tvIEym8) was (Low Budget/Corny) they were at least trying, Lois & Clark was never meant to be taken seriously. But Smallville? Ugh! it was $hit on screen, It broke my heart seeing Christopher Reeve on that POS.

If he'd known what they planned for the later seasons, he wouldn't have made the cameo, I know it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 08, 2014, 12:52:06 AM
Christopher Reeve in Smallville ? Do you mean Dean Cain in the episode with the immortal guy ?

edit - oh, nevermind, Reeve did make an appearance in season 3... Eh, the early seasons were far worse with their randomness, so if he made an appearance at that point, it probably didn't make that much of a difference... I always thought the later seasons were trying to fix the shit they pulled in the earlier seasons by introducing more Justice Leaguers and more known faces, even if they held on to not showing Clark in costume with the name Superman until the very end. IMO at least it went from worse to just bad, and the known characters were nice (I loved Michael Shanks as Hawkman "think of me as your parole officer... but with a mace !", and loved Booster and Beetle's episode).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 08, 2014, 02:30:37 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jn3nyQGl4I
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on May 08, 2014, 02:47:05 AM
That includes the Arrow and Flash series. Good, they're safe from influence from the upcoming movies.
Can't help thinking that the comments about keeping the series and movies separated are a jab at Agents of SHIELD (even though those comments are about two different studios and not having one giving orders to the other, while Marvel is only one studio)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 08, 2014, 03:12:53 AM
Honestly? I got that vibe too. But AoS is nearly out of gas. That said, if it was a 'jab', it was an unnecessary one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 08, 2014, 03:47:49 AM
Good. The shows don't need to be beholden to movies that take months to come out. I bet when people look back at this season of SHIELD, they'll see a show stifled by the schedule of the Marvel movies, like a comic book that can't do anything because of the next big event around the corner.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 08, 2014, 04:39:14 AM
Strip away the comic aspect of the show (AoS) and you're left with a show about espionage, notoriously hard to do.

Throw in a mandatory comic undertone and a low budget, you've got a show that simply can't last. Hence why I say the 'jab' was needless. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 09, 2014, 02:15:57 AM
With better writing AoS could've worked through those constraints; you'd still have a stretched out series of episodes waiting until the big Winder Soldier-mandated SHIELD twist, but with actually interesting characters and plots it wouldn't have been that bad. That's why I'm still psyched about those Netflix series, they've got less restrictions (not on 8PM on broadcast), can run a little long or short because it's Netflix, and they're only 13 episodes of each so there will be less of a chance of stretching things out.

anyways to go vaguely back on topic, there's an interview with the showrunner of Gotham and I found myself alternatively sighing and nodding (figuratively) at his various statements, which I supposed makes sense for the guy behind both The Mentalist and Rome. But anyways the show will be heavily serialized and will do the Smallville thing where the last image is Bruce Wayne becoming Batman, which I'm sure will work out great and not become absolutely ridiculous as the series goes on, artificially restraining itself from coming to that point before the show is supposed to end.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 09, 2014, 12:33:04 PM
Thanks for the info J, it tells me everything I thought they were doing.

It will likely be successful, big win for the producers, but one more smack in the face for the fans.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on May 09, 2014, 12:44:18 PM
At one point he reinforces that the best thing about Batman is that no one has any powers whatsoever and everyone is human.
He goes on to say that having a super hero in the room removes the possibility of developing any good stories.

His Gotham seems nice.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 12, 2014, 06:20:10 AM
plot description of the Constantine series said:
Based on the wildly popular  DC Comics series Hellblazer, seasoned demon hunter and master of the occult John Constantine (Matt Ryan, Criminal Minds) specializes in giving hell… hell. Armed with a ferocious knowledge of the dark arts and his wickedly naughty wit, he fights the good fight — or at least he did. With his soul already damned to hell, he’s decided to leave his do-gooder life behind, but when demons target Liv (Lucy Griffiths, True Blood), the daughter of one of Constantine’s oldest friends, he’s reluctantly thrust back into the fray—and he’ll do whatever it takes to save her. Before long, it’s revealed that Liv’s second sight—an ability to see the worlds behind our world and predict supernatural occurrences—is a threat to a mysterious new evil that’s rising in the shadows. Now it’s not just Liv who needs protection; the angels are starting to get worried too. So, together, Constantine and Liv must use her power and his skills to travel the country, find the demons that threaten our world and send them back where they belong. After that, who knows… maybe there’s hope for him and his soul after all. The cast also includes Harold Perrineau and Charles Halford. Writer Daniel Cerone (The Mentalist, Dexter) serves as executive producer with David S. Goyer (Man of Steel, The Dark Knight Rises). Constantine is produced from Bonanza Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television. The show is based upon characters published by DC Entertainment.
oh brother

EDIT: the trailer
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 12, 2014, 07:50:28 AM
Looks cool. Shame it'll be canceled after one season.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 13, 2014, 03:01:22 AM
Looks better then anything Keanu Reeves did.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 13, 2014, 05:09:32 AM
I'm still pretty apprehensive about it, but then again I thought Arrow and Sleepy Hollow were gonna be terrible and Agents of SHIELD would be great so who the fuck knows.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 14, 2014, 01:04:13 AM
Renee Montoya and Crispus Allen and also young Riddler will also be regulars on Gotham, (http://www.themarysue.com/gotham-renee-montoya/) because it doesn't have enough regulars.

But it's hard to complain about Montoya and Allen, cause they're so great. Just wish they weren't bumped off the show they should've been starring in (Gotham Central) to make way for Young Batman In Love.
Title: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Script? We don't need no script.
Post by: Byakko on May 14, 2014, 01:54:10 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/10/the-joker-will-be-coming-to-gotham-hes-already-leaving-his-mark-in-the-marketing-materials/ said:
You mentioned The Killing Joke. So you’ll bring in The Joker?

He’s the crown jewel of the Batman villains. He will be brought in with great care and a lot of thought.
Aaaand Smallville'd.
Title: Re: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Script? We don't need no script.
Post by: Jmorphman on May 14, 2014, 01:57:07 AM
Hey, that Jack guy, the comedian we interviewed, he sure is a Joker, right?
Title: Re: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Script? We don't need no script.
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 14, 2014, 01:58:35 AM
Ugh, there is no good way to take that news. The whole point of the Joker is that BATMAN CREATED THE JOKER.

Title: Re: Re: DC Cinematic Universe: Script? We don't need no script.
Post by: Iced on May 14, 2014, 02:15:42 AM
little kid bruce will kick a bandit with a red dome mask into an acid vat in one of his first outings as the SHADOW.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 14, 2014, 04:29:33 AM
Meh

If theres a franchise out there that is screaming for a reboot, it's 'The Shadow'.

Nows the time, for gods sake, get it done.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 24, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6JgxQcm.jpg)
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04/24/writers-robert-venditti-and-van-jensen-address-controversial-new-52-wally-west-in-the-flash-30
http://www.newsarama.com/21202-dc-s-september-2014-futures-end-event-week-3-4-covers.html
I want to see Wally West back on DC. Now I want a refund :behead:

Also, Why The New Black Wally West Is Just Offensive (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/06/why-the-new-black-wally-west-is-just-offensive/)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 24, 2014, 04:31:17 AM
Ugh, if you're going to give him exposed hair don't have his haircut be the same boring-ass box cut that 90% of black guys in comics have.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 24, 2014, 05:47:25 AM
Well well weeeeelll.

Hmmm, maybe it's actually his son? I guess anyone who has a problem with it is a racist huh.

What do you think Iced/lolmechy?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 24, 2014, 07:10:15 AM
It's not about racism, it's about not delivering what fans want, that's not Wally West at all, there's nothing about him but the name. It's like you ask for a salad and then you got a Big Mac
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 24, 2014, 07:20:19 AM
That costume is absolutely wretched.


Well well weeeeelll.

Hmmm, maybe it's actually his son? I guess anyone who has a problem with it is a racist huh.

What do you think Iced/lolmechy?
Hey now, there's me too! >:[

It's not about racism, it's about not delivering what fans want, that's not Wally West at all, there's nothing about him but the name. It's like you ask for a salad and then you got a Big Mac
Hmm. Would you say the same thing if they brought back adult Wally as last we saw him, in the same costume even, but the only difference was that he was now biracial?

Me, I don't care about his race, I just want him back, as he was. DC's greatest legacy hero, the former Kid Flash who grew up and surpassed Barry. But I doubt we're getting that here. It's just gonna be Kid Flash no. 2, yawn.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 24, 2014, 07:48:11 AM
Hmm. Would you say the same thing if they brought back adult Wally as last we saw him, in the same costume even, but the only difference was that he was now biracial?

Me, I don't care about his race, I just want him back, as he was. DC's greatest legacy hero, the former Kid Flash who grew up and surpassed Barry. But I doubt we're getting that here. It's just gonna be Kid Flash no. 2, yawn.
personally I missed Wally as he was last time I saw it. He could be introduced as a friend or as a fan of Barry, or something like that. Also, I'm still thinking the way DC is making multiracial characters is wrong, having a lot of great characters not just from DC itself but from other editorials it adquired in the past (hello Milestone??)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 24, 2014, 07:52:04 AM
Milestone? What's that? Does it have any limbs being severed? No? Who cares?

... :(

Remember how Young Justice had Icon and Rocket in the Justice League? That was nice. I miss Young Justice. I miss good DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on May 24, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
That wally would be fine if he actually behaved like wally, they should have kept the red hair too ,it would make him more visually appealing. Skin colour is irrelevant to this, he just seems to be based on a stereotype which always makes characters less interesting.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on May 24, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
The thing about the ultimate marvel line was that it did not replace anything. It was another universe to tell stories in, unlike the new 52 which just straight up replaced the old DC stuff. Of course changing a beloved characters race is pretty dumb in a case like this, it's not much of a comparison.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 24, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Well said guys, well said.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on May 24, 2014, 10:40:31 PM
I guess this will relate to the Flash TV show also since Iris is black in there too, (dunno about the comics coz I haven't read any New52 Flash), and as a result, Wally will probably be black as well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: SNT on May 25, 2014, 01:32:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/qpglvaL.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on May 25, 2014, 01:43:12 AM
Dafug... is that real?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on May 25, 2014, 01:53:04 AM
Yes.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 25, 2014, 02:06:13 AM
I'm not sure whats more sad, the fact that it's titled "Superman's Girl Friend" or that it lasted to issue 106.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 25, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
Considering that you couldn't get a Lois Lane comic to last to issue 12 at this point, I'd say neither.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: SNT on May 25, 2014, 03:07:01 AM
More to the point, it's the first thing that comes to mind whenever I read about superheroes arbitrarily getting a race change.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on May 27, 2014, 02:49:02 AM
Secret Origins #2 preview is up (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=21816), featuring Batman, Aquaman and Starfire.

What more can they do with Batman's origin, really.

Let's see if Lobdell can ruin Starfire even further.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 28, 2014, 08:50:42 PM
Hey guys, guess who's "back in black" apart of Wally (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/28/your-new-helena-bertinelli-for-the-new-52-in-todays-nightwing-30/) :disappointed:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: GTOAkira on May 28, 2014, 10:53:58 PM
Even if im not a big dc fan i have to ask is it really necessary to change their skin color?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on May 28, 2014, 11:28:03 PM
Because the non-racist company thinks it will boost sales by changing a character's race.......which is racist. Complete with afro  :mean:

Really DC?-----Really?!?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on May 28, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
I don't mind race changes to characters, I just wish they seen other races other than black (and I'm half black myself) 
it's cool to see diversity, with some of the characters who have been around for 30-40-50 years but at least shift around a bit more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 29, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
Hey guys, guess who's "back in black" apart of Wally (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/28/your-new-helena-bertinelli-for-the-new-52-in-todays-nightwing-30/) :disappointed:
Oh yeah, that costume is so dumb, why doesn't she just button it, or even tuck it in? This doesn't seem like appropriate secret agent attire!

oh wait, the problem is that she's blackish now. Right. The real racism. ::)

I don't mind race changes to characters, I just wish they seen other races other than black (and I'm half black myself) 
it's cool to see diversity, with some of the characters who have been around for 30-40-50 years but at least shift around a bit more.
I actually thought Latino or maybe even very tan Italian (she is Sicilian, so maybe they're just drawing her darker? IDK) when I saw her first.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 29, 2014, 06:17:06 AM
oh wait, the problem is that she's blackish now. Right. The real racism. ::)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oH21HOn8uNc/TJOVVwwtM3I/AAAAAAAACtA/0KP14FLbwVQ/s1600/Misty+Knight+TOLIBAO.jpg)
Are you sure that's the problem?? Think again
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on May 29, 2014, 08:01:56 AM
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make besides that Misty Knight is fucking rad, because my goodness is she great. "What if Coffy had a metal arm and also lived in the Marvel universe" is one of those insane premises that shouldn't work but does that only comics can pull off.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on May 29, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Honestly my issue with the race lifting is the fact that it's an editorial mandate (at least in the case of Flash).

Makes me wish they'd actually use the Milestone characters since they would benefit from a reboot like New52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on May 30, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
JM: I put the picture because of a comment from a girl friend who's a comic book fan, and she pissed off with this news:
Quote
DC, está llamando Marvel, quiere a Misty Knight de vuelta!!! xD
"DC, Marvel is calling, they want Misty Knight back!! xD"
And yeah, I totally think that's Misty Knight, not Helena Bertinelli (which also was stated on the article, isn't The Huntress anymore, being just Earth-2 Helena Wayne)

Roman22: Same here, this is the moment DC could reuse more Milestone characters than just Static Shock if they want more black (and cool) characters
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on June 05, 2014, 07:13:36 PM
You did not see anything. All you saw was an illusion.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on June 05, 2014, 07:23:17 PM
That's a Marvel comic
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on June 05, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
I was so mad that I derped. Move along.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on July 10, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
http://www.mtv.com/news/1864359/batgirl-exclusive-dc-comics/

Wait, what?
How... when? I can believe my eyes. This can't be happening! ._.

(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:public.articles.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BATGIRLMODEL2.jpg?width=1200&quality=0.85)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on July 10, 2014, 04:52:06 PM
Looks pretty great actually (then again I have zero fashion sense) and the confirmation of her comic being fun and light in tone is good news. Finally!


Well not until fuckwad DiDio forces his hands on it. Just fuck him.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2014, 05:49:30 PM
Not a fan of that look at all. :-\

I mean, what's wrong with spandex? It's a superhero costume, it's by nature unrealistic and impractical, why make it a glorified leather jacket?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 10, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
it's kinda cool but why keep the cape?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on July 10, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
It's that pesky thing, the whole "bat" image.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2014, 06:44:50 PM
Dick Grayson had to quit before he could get a costume without a cape (and also wear pants)!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on July 10, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
Not a fan of that look at all. :-\

I mean, what's wrong with spandex? It's a superhero costume, it's by nature unrealistic and impractical, why make it a glorified leather jacket?

Why not? I mean they don't HAVE to wear spandex. I mean you don't see Hulk wear one. :laugh2:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 10, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
It's that pesky thing, the whole "bat" image.

yeah, but if they want to go practical it has to go, it's the fucking elephant in the room, it's making hte outfit pratical but keeping the most impractical thing on it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on July 10, 2014, 07:00:58 PM
But don't forget that Batman's cape deflects bullets !
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on July 10, 2014, 07:02:27 PM
That terrible looking reboot Lobo is getting an ongoing series that completely misses the point of the character of Lobo. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/135990-New-52s-Lobo-Gets-Ongoing-Series-Tragic-Backstory)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2014, 07:10:50 PM
Yeah, the guy who pre-reboot literally murdered his entire family (and planet) should have a tragic backstory involving his dead family. Ugh.

Why not? I mean they don't HAVE to wear spandex. I mean you don't see Hulk wear one. :laugh2:
Because Batgirl's original costume is absolutely fantastic and doesn't need updating!
(http://i.imgur.com/Wumh3oK.jpg)

I mean sure the nu52 version was the usual pointless seams and details that's plagued every nu52 costume, but it wasn't snap-on-cape and that weird garter belt thing. I mean sure, I love that they specifically went against showing tight spandexy boobs, but I think that could've been done with the regular outfit. And I just have a nagging feeling it's gonna be like Catwoman's current outfit (that also features a zipper down the front) where it'll be drawn as being zipped up all the way for the first couple of years and then eventually everyone will draw it as pulled down, exposing her cleavage, in the comics and outside (MK vs. DC, Arkham City, Injustice, etc.) and that's so dumb, it's supposed to be protective!

It's not so much the leather jacket material I guess, as it is all the details and zippers and stuff. But as it is it just looks so... ordinary, and not fantastical. And if you're not gonna take advantage of being a comic book, what's the point?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on July 10, 2014, 07:14:35 PM
But she's flat.

Also cool french hotlink.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2014, 07:19:01 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about but I would like to use this opportunity to say France is worthless and I'm never linking to one of their sites again.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 10, 2014, 07:19:37 PM
No high heels. That automatically makes it better than most of her costumes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2014, 07:26:11 PM
I can't even remember the last time she's been drawn in high heels (thank goodness), though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 11, 2014, 12:31:06 AM
http://www.mtv.com/news/1864359/batgirl-exclusive-dc-comics/

Wait, what?
How... when? I can believe my eyes. This can't be happening! ._.

(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:public.articles.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BATGIRLMODEL2.jpg?width=1200&quality=0.85)
Ah, Yeah, that'll scare someone *eyeroll* so leather stops bullets now?
How dose that even remotely hide you in the shadows?

Oh well, I guess they had no choice, it's not like Bruce Frigging Wayne could make a form fitting suit for himself right? 


Quote
(http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/764/764580.jpg)



That's.....Not..........Lobo---- *throws chair at the wall*
Edit:  Dude looks just like Marvel's Morbius -
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Nice one DC. For a company with DETECTIVE in their name, they sure are dense these days.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Nero D. on July 11, 2014, 12:45:41 AM
see, they're plan was to make him look less like stocky hairy wolverine, as he did in the 90s






by making him look more like slim wolverine of the 2000s
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 01:58:14 AM
Well Lobo's been a parody of Wolverine and other grim and gritty antiheroes for so long, it's a great idea to take all of that, toss it out, and then play everything completely straight!

How dose that even remotely hide you in the shadows?

Oh well, I guess they had no choice, it's not like Bruce Frigging Wayne could make a form fitting suit for himself right? 
To be fair, it's not like Batman's all grey jumpsuit is gonna help much on that front either.

but yeah if this was like for a flashback it'd be perfect, it looks exactly like what Barbara Gordon could've developed on her own, before Batman took her into the fold. But if it is indeed a her new, current day look, I'm just not feeling it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2014, 02:06:04 AM
That belt and those zippers are killing me, it's like someone let Nomura into the office. That looks like something a teenager would wear, but I feel like it would look strange on a mature young woman. Then again I suppose looking strange is the biz, and they probably want to differentiate her from Batwoman a little more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 02:23:10 AM
It really does look like something a normal, non-bajilionaire person would've put together, but it just seems odd for the current day Barbara Gordon. The art makes her look pretty young too, almost teenagish, but then again it's the nu52 and everyone is 25 so Batgirl must be even younger!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Nero D. on July 11, 2014, 02:28:59 AM
Well Lobo's been a parody of Wolverine and other grim and gritty antiheroes for so long, it's a great idea to take all of that, toss it out, and then play everything completely straight!
[/quote

mmhmm

and wade wilson was made as a ripoff of slade wilson, but that joke died the moment he got popular to the point that he became his own character, and young/noob idiots didn't realize he was a goddamn parody and would even consider deathstroke a ripoff of him and I want to punch you all in the fucking face you idiot fucks
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 11, 2014, 02:58:36 AM
It really does look like something a normal, non-bajilionaire person would've put together, but it just seems odd for the current day Barbara Gordon.

"Non-Bajilionaires" can afford Kevlar, lord knows mine didn't cost that much, hell, they make them for ladies. Everyone knows black/gray/blue blends in with shadows far better then bright yellow. Kevlar is a para-aramid synthetic fiber, it's not hard to make it leather/rubber looking, hell, the Joel Schumacher batgirl design  (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=54997) makes more sense, now that says something. 

It's like she's just begging to be shot.............again..........for the first time?



The art makes her look pretty young too, almost teenagish, but then again it's the nu52 and everyone is 25 so Batgirl must be even younger!

Might as well. We're talking about a country where the #1 movie has ass & down blouse shots of a high school girl, who talks openly about the fact that she's sexually active with the 20+ year old co-star----one the heroes of the film.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 03:19:38 AM
Batman ran around looking like this for three decades:
(http://i.imgur.com/rBKa0p0.jpg)
and it is by far his best costume. Realistic stealth is not really an issue here. Nor is incorporating kevlar into the look of an outfit, because god knows Batman is almost always drawn as a guy in spandex anyway.

I could definitely see the new look of Batgirl having the same "well it somehow is composed of magic kevlar weave that looks like spandex/leather/whatever and whenever they get shot the battle damage reveals kevlar underneath (http://i.imgur.com/YmuUiee.jpg)" thing that every Batcharacter has. None of these things are really an issue.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2014, 03:31:52 AM
Ultimately it comes down to another case of over-complicating a costume to seem hip for five minutes. She might as well be wearing a hoodie with bat ears on it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Just No Point on July 11, 2014, 03:34:45 AM
I think she looks quite cute in it so I like it. It'd be good for a light hearted comic series. Not one that will tie into everything dark and gritty DC will want to put her in though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 03:38:22 AM
I'm really glad they're moving away from that too; the new editor of the Batbooks looks to be leading a charge to do new, interesting things (like Gotham Academy) instead of I dunno, having the Joker's face cut off and nailed to a wall, for instance.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 11, 2014, 03:42:47 AM
Realistic stealth is not really an issue here. Nor is incorporating kevlar into the look of an outfit, because god knows Batman is almost always drawn as a guy in spandex anyway.

I could definitely see the new look of Batgirl having the same "well it somehow is composed of magic kevlar weave that looks like spandex/leather/whatever and whenever they get shot the battle damage reveals kevlar underneath (http://i.imgur.com/YmuUiee.jpg)" thing that every Batcharacter has. None of these things are really an issue.

I would be fine with that too (aside from the color) except they specifically said that it's a leather jacket. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 03:44:50 AM
That's referencing what it should look like (so that it doesn't look skin tight), not what the actual material is (it certainly isn't a choice between straight up leather vs. spandex).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Nero D. on July 11, 2014, 03:56:01 AM
this is a comic book


for all we know, that could be flexible back diamond or dragon scales designed to look like leather
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 11, 2014, 04:00:13 AM
I hope you're right. Truth be told, it not so much about bust size, lord knows no one who is in "ninja" shape is likely to be sporting double-Ds.

But damn-it, those colors and that cape, ugh.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 11, 2014, 07:50:09 AM
So Batgirl is a female looking Kick-Ass?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on July 11, 2014, 12:23:28 PM
Leather jackets can be lined with kevlar to be bullet resistant, and leather surely is better at stopping bullets and stabs than spandex.

This design change was refreshing to see, even though I have to agree that her first costume design was better than this one.
But now, someone makes Wonder Woman or Power Girl wear a leather jacket like that one and I will be carrying pitchforks and torches to mob DC over that...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on July 11, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
:D
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on July 11, 2014, 04:20:25 PM
Damn, Barbara is like SNK Athena Asamiya of DC, with every new look she looks younger, the new costume looks like she was 16 or something. I mean, I like the new costume, but looks more like Barbara's daughter than Barbara herself
Spoiler: Especially here (click to see content)

About Lobo... the news about the change of look (and the N52 Lobo all we know is just a faux copy) isn't new... but making him his own series?? Goddamnit!! :sick:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 11, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6FXLeNn.jpg)
oh god..
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on July 11, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
So in a nutshell... There's no such thing as superheroes anymore, just vigilantes who dress in black and shoot people and jump on roofs looking scary ? Crimefighting is the work of people in leather and belts, now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on July 11, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
isn't seely the guy who writes hack/slash? yeah, this is going to be bad. (or not (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=7520))

also: edward cullen lobo is a lame motherfucker.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Nero D. on July 11, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
dick castle


he's going to punish all the villains in bloodhaven (name changed because blüdhaven was too 90s and stuff so they're playin it straight now yea)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mgbenz on July 11, 2014, 06:13:55 PM
Seriously it's a fucking 90's cover. JUST ROFL
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
He's a secret agent now. They "killed" Dick in the last event.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 11, 2014, 06:28:45 PM
I really hope this isnt a case of "Hey, it worked to make Jason Todd popular, so why not do it for Dick"
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on July 11, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
so dick is pretty much winter soldier now [via fear itself]
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 11, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
It's actually less a case of popularity and more a case of Dan Didio trying to get rid of Nightwing (or the Dick Grayson version, at least) for the last five or so years. His popularity is the only thing that's kept him from actual fictional death, which is amazing.

so dick is pretty much winter soldier now [via fear itself]

Yeah, down to fakeout death and everything.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 11, 2014, 09:15:45 PM
Can somebody fill me in on Superman, havent been following his book since last year, and now I saw the latest cover and Doomsday is wearing a Superman costume and there's a masked Superman going around also? What's up with that?

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 09:21:42 PM
Superman is infected with a Doomsday virus that is turning him into Doomsday.
(http://i.imgur.com/wVC8m6Q.jpg)

be thankful that his S-shield somehow moved from his chest to his crotch, protecting us all from seeing Superman's spiky dick.

This design change was refreshing to see, even though I have to agree that her first costume design was better than this one.
But now, someone makes Wonder Woman or Power Girl wear a leather jacket like that one and I will be carrying pitchforks and torches to mob DC over that...
Well...
(http://i.imgur.com/lwnkS6I.jpg)
SUPERHEROES WEARING JACKETS

Damn, Barbara is like SNK Athena Asamiya of DC, with every new look she looks younger, the new costume looks like she was 16 or something. I mean, I like the new costume, but looks more like Barbara's daughter than Barbara herself
Well, it's nu52. Everyone is too fucking young and there's no history and no legacy heroes and everyone's limbs get chopped off. It's the future of comics!

It just seems like a weird fit for Barbara Gordon, specifically. If this was a new Batgirl or Stephanie Brown or even Cassandra Cain (post-learning how to read/talk/socialize/be a normal person et. al) then I think I'd be much more on board, but I just can't get the idea of the slightly older Babs out of my head; seeing her be in her early 20s taking selfies and stuff is just weird to me, personally.

isn't seely the guy who writes hack/slash? yeah, this is going to be bad. (or not (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=7520))
Yeah it's actually getting really good reviews. It's something new and interesting, which is great, even if the concept is kinda dumb. But it's supposed to be light and goofy and Dick Grayson uses a gun as a batarang instead of shooting it and that's fucking rad!

Seriously it's a fucking 90's cover. JUST ROFL
Not... at all? :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on July 11, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Doomsday virus
turning him into Doomsday.
.... because why the fuck not.
Dick Grayson uses a gun as a batarang instead of shooting it
........ need pics
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on July 11, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
Sigh... Nu52 is such a fail most of the time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 09:38:28 PM
Doomsday is pretty tough to do anything with, after killing Superman. It's made doubly hard by the complete lack of personality it has, at least most of the time (unlike say Bane, who is similarly a tough nut to crack after breaking the Bat, but with a really neat backstory and interesting personality he's been sometimes used in really neat ways post-Knightfall). Many talented writers have tried and failed to do something cool with Doomsday, and it looks like Grek Pak is following their lead, sadly.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on July 11, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
Well, it's not too far off. I'd understand the idea of making other characters succumb to a similar transformation as Doomsday, something that makes them insane, it could be pretty cool. If you can't work on Doosmday any more, might as well take the unique out of him, at least make it evolve somewhere (as long as you don't make a whole planet of him).
But a virus ? It's just techno-modern-leather-jacket-scientists and in the same vein as my earlier "no more superheroes" comment. Everything's the same, everything is man-made and human in leather and belts. Make something supernatural, outside of humanity. Make something wham. Make something magical. Make a damn superhero.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 11, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
I haven't read it but Doomsday existed before, this isn't the nu52 version of Doomsday or anything. In fact it was Superman's tearing Doomsday apart that got him infected, apparently.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 12, 2014, 02:53:11 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/wVC8m6Q.jpg)





 :uhoh: 1: You're really not going crazy!
 
 :sick: 2: Many others have had to travel this hard road before you. You are not alone.
 
 :bigcry:  3: Grief is a long-term process, and you will have good days and bad.
 
 :huh2: 4: There is hope-- brighter days lie ahead for you.
 
 :disappointed:  5: You will never return to your pre-grief state, but you will eventually find joy in life in new ways that you invent.

 :smoking:  6: There's really no time frame for mourning.



F*** DC
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 12, 2014, 03:15:23 AM
I'm just glad it's staying out of regular Superman, because I really think this new arc has potential. Much like Zero Year has allowed me a Batman arc free of outside interference.

That's all I ask for at this point, superhero comics that are as free as possible from editorial EVENTS THAT CHANGE EVERYTHING.

And Lobdell getting fired.

But mostly the event thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on July 12, 2014, 11:57:30 AM
Doomsday is pretty tough to do anything with
Jimmy Olsen turning into him is the way to go.

I love All-star Superman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2014, 09:14:42 PM
True, true, but I'd barely even count that as a use of Doomsday.

So that whole thing with the selfie picture of Batgirl? Turns out it's an entire month of selfie covers, which makes the Batgirl one better, I guess, to me (I'm still bugged by everyone being so dang young in nu52! and only dumb teenagers take selfies, obviously!)
(http://i.imgur.com/7qTLQFQ.jpg)
This is obviously the best one, though.

but man... that fucking high collar. Ugh. I think that bothers me than the loss of the trunks. It just totally ruins Supes's costume for me, and there's not even a dumb reason behind it like there is for the loss of the trunks of the body armor seams! >:[
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 12, 2014, 09:41:54 PM
Doomsday is pretty tough to do anything with
Jimmy Olsen turning into him is the way to go.

Slowly, via Nano-bots created by 'The Cyborg Superman'. He's the perfect choice for that roll, given he knows Kal inside and out, is very familier with Kriptonian tech and biology. Plus, he hates Superman more then Lex. if you reallllllllly want to 'hurt' someone, you go after their friends.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Aww but that's no fun; Jimmy Olsen using Leo Quintum's Doomsday formula to stop a black kryptonite-addled Superman is way cooler!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 12, 2014, 09:58:58 PM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111115202/3252105-crazyeyes-original.jpg)

Edit:
Aww but that's no fun; Jimmy Olsen using Leo Quintum's Doomsday formula to stop a black kryptonite-addled Superman is way cooler!

Wait, wait, wait what? Black Kryptonite?
*looks up wiki*

Spoiler: reaction (click to see content)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on July 13, 2014, 06:25:12 PM
True, true, but I'd barely even count that as a use of Doomsday.
Yeah I guess. It was pretty weird that he had eye beams too.

He def looks better then other Doomsday looks imo.
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110929180742/marvel_dc/images/a/ab/Doomsday_All-Star_Superman_001.jpg)
Wait, wait, wait what? Black Kryptonite?
*looks up wiki*

Spoiler: reaction (click to see content)
Well it was a non-canon mini-series.

Also like, the best.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 14, 2014, 12:22:42 AM

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110929180742/marvel_dc/images/a/ab/Doomsday_All-Star_Superman_001.jpg)

This......this can't be real.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on July 14, 2014, 12:43:29 AM
You never read all star superman?
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1736843-1327132_allstar9uc1_super.jpg)

It was amazing and pretty awesome, I havent ever found anyone that read it and come out of it complaining.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 14, 2014, 06:57:47 AM
It seriously is fucking astounding:
(http://i.imgur.com/v608zTN.jpg)
it gets me every. fucking. time. :qq:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on July 15, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
Admittedly im a pretty recent superman fan (im working on that), but it's def the best I read so far.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 15, 2014, 11:52:59 PM
It seriously is fucking astounding:


It better be, that art-style is horrid  ._.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 16, 2014, 12:28:05 AM
... are you out of your goddamn mind. Do you like anything? >.>
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 16, 2014, 01:46:55 AM
... are you out of your goddamn mind. Do you like anything? >.>

Eh? Can you be more specific?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 16, 2014, 01:49:31 AM
Frank Quitely is one of the most acclaimed artists working today. He's great. That page is fantastic. :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 16, 2014, 01:53:50 AM
Quitely's an acquired taste (to this day I can't stand his New X-Men work) but the inking and coloring more than makes up for it. If you really haven't read it then give it a shot.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on July 16, 2014, 02:34:51 AM
All Star Superman is effing great.
I can't read it enough times.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 16, 2014, 02:45:11 AM
Quitely's an acquired taste (to this day I can't stand his New X-Men work) but the inking and coloring more than makes up for it. If you really haven't read it then give it a shot.
Acquired shmired! And his NXM stuff was fantastic! >:[
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 16, 2014, 02:50:35 AM
Frank Quitely is one of the most acclaimed artists working today. \

Good for him, so?

Quitely's an acquired taste

THANK YOU!

When I think Superman, I don't think this-
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I think this-
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty



Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on July 16, 2014, 02:52:12 AM
ew jim lee

Quitely was pretty awesome on the early issues of Morrison's Batman & Robin as well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 16, 2014, 02:54:42 AM
Acquired shmired! And his NXM stuff was fantastic! >:[

For the respect of this thread, I will not elaborate about said non-DC property save this one statement: He draws the worst looking Cyclops it has even been my displeasure to view and the few times Van Sciver was on the book were the best art in Morrison's early run.

That's it. I'm done.

Turtlenecks. Okay, now I'm done.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 16, 2014, 02:56:57 AM
Yeah I gotta say I am not a fan of Jim Lee at all. Never have been and never was. And now his terrible costumes have been unleashed upon the world thanks to the nu52.

Quitely is so much better than Lee at character design, at conveying a story, at capturing a character's thoughts and feelings through their expression and posture, at panel composition, et. al that it isn't even funny.

When I think Superman, I don't think this-
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
But that's a wonderful cover that so effortlessly captures the essence of Superman!

Grant Morrison said:
He was perched with one knee drawn up, chin resting on his arms. He looked totally relaxed... and I suddenly realized this was how Superman would sit. He wouldn't puff out his chest or posture heroically, he would be totally chilled. If nothing can hurt you, you can afford to be cool. A man like Superman would never have to tense against the cold; never have to flinch in the face of a blow. He would be completely laid back, un-tense. With this image of Superman relaxing on a cloud looking out for us all in my head, I rushed back to my hotel room and filled dozens of pages of my notebook with notes and drawings.

For the respect of this thread, I will not elaborate about said non-DC property save this one statement: He draws the worst looking Cyclops it has even been my displeasure to view and the few times Van Sciver was on the book were the best art in Morrison's early run.

That's it. I'm done.

Turtlenecks. Okay, now I'm done.
Those costumes are great and Cyclops looked cool and actually looked like he'd be nicknamed Slim >:[
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 16, 2014, 03:10:20 AM
To each his own, however-

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 16, 2014, 03:14:34 AM
Capullo is AMAAAAAAZING. Zero Year has been a hell of a run and he may be a bigger part of that then Snyder
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on July 16, 2014, 07:00:13 PM
Quietly is awesome, but at times he draws faces kinda strange.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 17, 2014, 04:42:28 AM
Yeah...........like a 6 year olds coloring book


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2OgpsMgKSls/SieMCorrmRI/AAAAAAAACeU/g8c7vq6TqTI/s400/supes37.jpg)

WTF man?  :knife:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 17, 2014, 05:00:10 AM
... you're kidding, right?

guess it lacks gratuitous cross-hatching and not enough high collars
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 17, 2014, 05:02:17 AM
I can safely say with 6-year olds in the house that you must have some awesome coloring books.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 17, 2014, 05:13:14 AM
guess it lacks gratuitous cross-hatching and not enough high collars

If you're talking about uniforms, you already know I'm right there with you.

Since when dose SUPERMAN need body armor right? Now I've always been cool with slight uniform modifications, based on whatever threat he/they're facing. But this? no.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 17, 2014, 05:15:27 AM
Yeah, how could Quitely do something like that, drawing Superman wearing some kind of circus strongman outfit! What a clown!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on July 17, 2014, 05:27:02 AM
Yeah I gotta say I am not a fan of Jim Lee at all. Never have been and never was. And now his terrible costumes have been unleashed upon the world thanks to the nu52.


For the respect of this thread, I will not elaborate about said non-DC property save this one statement: He draws the worst looking Cyclops it has even been my displeasure to view and the few times Van Sciver was on the book were the best art in Morrison's early run.

That's it. I'm done.

Turtlenecks. Okay, now I'm done.


Those costumes are great and Cyclops looked cool and actually looked like he'd be nicknamed Slim >:[

I'd have to agree there, he drew a pretty spot on Scott. I've always liked his art, people who tend to have a problem with it I think are just closed minded regarding how someone should look always. Also you can't blame him for the designs, I'm sure Morrison was behind them and quietly just drew them.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on July 17, 2014, 05:32:51 AM
Just found this-
He wears it as tribute to his kryptonian heritage, and it also saves him a lot of money on shirts (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/40/2266671-s6.jpg).

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WzNd06yHJwc/TYgU0GhZyGI/AAAAAAAAAmU/-0-pq0aqGMk/s1600/krypton.jpg)

I don't see it......and don't give me that "It's not an 'S'" garbage
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 17, 2014, 05:47:14 AM
It worked so well in Birthright (the S symbol being the Kryptonian symbol for hope, proving central to the book's theme of Superman bringing hope to the world). But of course Snyder and Goyer turned it into a smug and pompous way to make a giant goddamn S totally realistic and not at all silly thing in a very serious movie about a flying man in tights. And of course not have it be connected to anything else in the story, besides that one scene.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 17, 2014, 07:34:12 AM
I'd have to agree there, he drew a pretty spot on Scott. I've always liked his art, people who tend to have a problem with it I think are just closed minded regarding how someone should look always. Also you can't blame him for the designs, I'm sure Morrison was behind them and quietly just drew them.

The designs were one thing, but not the be-all end-all. I just don't like Quitely's work on that book. I remember a cover where Scott looked like he had a giraffe neck that still sticks with me to this day.

We3? Amazing! Flex Mentallo? Great! All-Star? Good stuff! Batman and Robin? Yeah, okay, whatever! I just think his New X-Men stuff is not that great.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on July 26, 2014, 02:41:15 AM
Grant Morrison's 'The Multivesity' info and character designs (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54354).

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Why couldn't we have this Donna in 52?  :(

Quote
Connor Hawke will be the Bill Ray Cyrus of the world trying to stop his daughter from becoming involved in the superhero world to be corrupted.

Hilarious stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 26, 2014, 07:16:37 AM
I'm certainly looking forward to it!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 03:24:57 AM
WildCat's uniform sucks.

*Sits down at the table and waits for J*

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on August 02, 2014, 03:25:26 AM
Two dcasuals fight over tape.
GO!

edit: damnit i got ninjad
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 02, 2014, 03:29:24 AM
WildCat's uniform sucks.

*Sits down at the table and waits for J*



WHO

WHAT
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 02, 2014, 05:13:43 AM
Spoiler: Over at the DC Cinematic Universe thread: (click to see content)

Hey what kind of people did Wildcat fight?
To my understanding he use to be with the Justice Society and his abilities include: Boxing and..............boxing.
So what did he do and what kind of people did he fight, because I would assume there were at least SOME people with guns or powers or something, so given what little I know about him, I couldn't see how he would do too well against them without being COMPLETELY stealthy like Batman and catching them off guard.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 02, 2014, 05:23:40 AM
I figured that's what you wanted, and you should have just asked instead of trying to instigate. Wildcat's a boxer, but he knows other martial arts. He had to be killed 9 times in succession to die.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 05:26:14 AM
I thought this was about the tape on Wildcat's hands? Now it's the whole costume? Ugh fine whatever.

So, Wildcat. Golden Age hero named Ted Grant, who's an expert fighter specializing in boxing. Looks like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/Pks08z3.jpgp)
which I think is a perfectly cromulent costume. Not one of the greats, but not bad by any measure. Just a perfectly normal costume.

Later, when the first Ted Grant retired due to an injury, his goddaughter, Yolanda Montez, took over. She had the same look as Ted:
(http://i.imgur.com/IG05WJ2.jpg)

She was later killed by Eclipso, and after Ted recovered from his injury, he returned to heroing. It was around this time where he was very firmly established as a trainer of heroes (following up on his training of Batman and Black Canary in boxing, which were both previously established), so that basically every nonpowered hero in the DC universe had at some point trained under him. This fit in well with the revival of the Justice Society, which explicitly was based on the heroes of the Golden Age teaching the next generation of heroes. It was around this time that Ted began wrapping his hands in tape, which I think is a great improvement on his costume, reinforcing the whole boxer thing while also breaking up all the black in the costume:
(http://i.imgur.com/aD6g9hZ.jpg)
and now he doesn't exist because nu52. >:[

Two dcasuals fight over tape.
GO!
get out of here you mindless Marvel zombie

Hey what kind of people did Wildcat fight?
To my understanding he use to be with the Justice Society and his abilities include: Boxing and..............boxing.
So what did he do and what kind of people did he fight, because I would assume there were at least SOME people with guns or powers or something, so given what little I know about him, I couldn't see how he would do too well against them without being COMPLETELY stealthy like Batman and catching them off guard.
He fought normal ass dudes like Batman does. Or like any street level hero does. Your Green Arrows, your Huntresses, your Black Canarys (when she doesn't have the Canary Cry), your Questions, your Judomasters, your Mister Terrifics, and so on. Batman's really the only hero who has had explanations grafted onto him about how he deals with gun-toting thugs, the rest of them just don't worry about them. And I mean, it's not really that big of a deal. In real life Batman would be dead within the week, stealth or no; it's all fantastical, and one has to suspend their disbelief.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 02, 2014, 05:50:34 AM
I agree with Jmorphman, the tape is an improvement on the costume.
It's not really a good costume but it looks better with tape (or something) than without.


I figured that's what you wanted, and you should have just asked instead of trying to instigate. Wildcat's a boxer, but he knows other martial arts. He had to be killed 9 times in succession to die.

Nah, I was just interested in seeing them/someone argue over a costume/character/etc, the actual interest in him developed after I was quoting their posts.

I don't get the resurrection thing (aside from it being an cheap-excuse to make him useful/unkillable), but it would(ve) explain(ed) him being on a team with super-powered peoples (except apparently that wasn't invented for years after he joined).

Batman and family fights people with weapons and powers; when their fighting skills and environment don't work, they also have tools/weapons that give them an edge in the fights, Green Arrow as well.

Wildcat has nothing but his hands (and a later developed immortality thing). Did he only fight people with fists and melee weapons up to and after he got his power, or was/is there some kind of explanation as to how he could fight people with guns with no body armor or weapons and only his fists and the surprise that they have to kill him multiple times to kill him?


P.S. what is your avatar Jmorphman?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 06:00:27 AM
He fought thugs with guns all the time, and there was no explanation for how he could survive. Because one isn't really needed. No one else besides Batman really has one. It's just not that important.

my avatar is from Community; it's the Greendale Human Being (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr-F40mnul8)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on August 02, 2014, 11:47:07 AM
He fought thugs with guns all the time, and there was no explanation for how he could survive. Because one isn't really needed. No one else besides Batman really has one. It's just not that important.

my avatar is from Community; it's the Greendale Human Being (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr-F40mnul8)

Pfft? What do you mean about no explanation?
Clearly Batman always dose himself with bullet repellent bat-spray before going out and about on his adventures!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
He fought thugs with guns all the time, and there was no explanation for how he could survive.
Or how he never got caught/discovered. The tape itself is a huge downgrade, as his fingers are exposed, speed-wraps are far more efficient, would fit over gloves, reinforce the knuckles, thus giving him optimal striking power.

  It's just not that important.

killed 9 times in succession to die.

It's important J.

Plus, are you telling me adding a stealth aspect wouldn't be a good thing?





Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 06:28:36 PM
No. Wildcat is not a stealth guy, he's the dude who runs up to you and beats the shit out of you. He's not a ninja, like Batman, he's a brawler. Making him a stealthy character would be bad for the character.

And this is all besides the point because Wildcat doesn't go on patrols or fight ordinary thugs anymore. The last time he did was probably in the Golden Age or something (he might've done a few in the recent JSA runs but if he did it was very much not a common thing). It's just not relevant anymore, he's firmly a team player now. He'll beat up dudes that the whole JSA is facing, but that's about it.

Or how he never got caught/discovered. The tape itself is a huge downgrade, as his fingers are exposed, speed-wraps are far more efficient, would fit over gloves, reinforce the knuckles, thus giving him optimal striking power.
The entire genre of superheroes is completely unrealistic and fantastical. Things that look cool are given much more importance than practical stuff. Take Batman's cape: it's incredibly cool looking, is versatile in terms of posing (it can worn as a cloak, it can rest behind him, it can be blown backwards when he's running, and so on), adds an incredible dynamism to Batman's movements.

The cape is also hilariously impractical. It would get Batman killed on his first night; it'd get caught in something, or he'd trip on it, or a thug would grab it, or a thousand other things. But no one gives a shit about those, because it looks cool and adds to Batman's character. And thus the same with Wildcat's tape.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 07:03:32 PM
Sweet, a point/counterpoint discussion.

he's the dude who runs up to you and beats the shit out of you.

Ok, granted, I can get with that, but, that's also a reason to upgrade hand protection. Tape, might work for him for a few hours, but in a sustained combat situation, it's wholly impractical.

Things that look cool are given much more importance than practical stuff.

They can work hand in hand, with the right people, why not have a go at a redesign?

Making him a stealthy character would be bad for the character.
I'm not saying make him a ninja, but if we're talking about a 'strike team', some level of stealth is necessary.

And this is all besides the point because Wildcat doesn't go on patrols or fight ordinary thugs anymore. The last time he did was probably in the Golden Age or something (he might've done a few in the recent JSA runs but if he did it was very much not a common thing). It's just not relevant anymore, he's firmly a team player now. He'll beat up dudes that the whole JSA is facing, but that's about it.
This is a bad thing, I'm not saying he should be jumping out of the shadows, laying the smack down on purse-snatchers. But a few crime ring busting stories would be awesome, and I think you'd enjoy them as well.

Take Batman's cape: it's incredibly cool looking, is versatile in terms of posing (it can worn as a cloak, it can rest behind him, it can be blown backwards when he's running, and so on), adds an incredible dynamism to Batman's movements.-

-The cape is also hilariously impractical. It would get Batman killed on his first night; it'd get caught in something, or he'd trip on it, or a thug would grab it, or a thousand other things. But no one gives a shit about those, because it looks cool and adds to Batman's character. And thus the same with Wildcat's tape.
:inquisitive: (must....not .....kill)
That's a talk we'll have later.


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 07:40:54 PM
How about now. The cape is not realistic. The cape is impractical. The cape is totally nonsensical if one wants Batman to be a gritty realistic noir hero. Because he's not. He's a man who dresses up as Dracula to fight murderclowns.

And that's good!

They can work hand in hand, with the right people, why not have a go at a redesign?
Because Wildcat's costume is fine and doesn't need a redesign, and it's simpleness works to advance the idea that he's a hero from the Golden Age.

I'm not saying make him a ninja, but if we're talking about a 'strike team', some level of stealth is necessary.
The JSA is not a strike team. They're a bunch of old people teaching some new heroes; they don't really go on patrols, they aren't the vanguard of humanity's defense, and that's good because it gives them a different flavor. The JSA is a purely reactionary team group, they respond to natural disasters, alien invasions and the like. They fight back against the numerous villains who've sworn revenge on them (because they're so old, they've accumulated a bunch). But they don't do the same kind of stuff as the JLA, or the Titans, or any other superhero group.

This is a bad thing, I'm not saying he should be jumping out of the shadows, laying the smack down on purse-snatchers. But a few crime ring busting stories would be awesome, and I think you'd enjoy them as well.
Nah. That's not Wildcat's style at all. He's an old man, he fights exclusively on a team now. Let the young heroes handle that stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 09:05:42 PM
The cape is totally nonsensical
Psychological advantage, plus, Nolan, Rockstar game studios have reinvented it.
The 'Cape VS Tape' points are apples to oranges really, there are far better way in comics, film and real life to protect your hands.

He's an old man, he fights exclusively on a team now. Let the young heroes handle that stuff.

That's a comfortable stance, but he wasn't created for that roll, true, characters can change over time, and in very good ways, lord knows batman has-
Spoiler: Face palm (click to see content)

He's not included in New52 right? (I don't know, I'm not feeding the gimmick) However, if you are one who trusts the 'new guard' of writers who changed him into an older character, then why not trust those in New52 who've seemingly erased him from history, to do what is best in this case? Maybe he's coming back, but in another way. Maybe they've plans for him, based on how well he's liked in Arrow.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
I don't understand what about THE BAT-APE requires a face-palm, that shit is amazing.

But yeah, the cape has had explanations and other uses grafted onto it, but it's still absurd. It's still ridiculous. It's still a dangerous liability. It would snag on every single thing Batman walked by, it would weigh a ton (it's bulletproof and has the gliding capability), and any thug could grab it easily and throw Batman off. But none of that matters at all. It looks cool, who gives a shit. There's no problem with it being impractical.

He's not included in New52 right? (I don't know, I'm not feeding the gimmick) However, if you are one who trusts the 'new guard' of writers who changed him into an older character, then why not trust those in New52 who've seemingly erased him from history, to do what is best in this case? Maybe he's coming back, but in another way. Maybe they've plans for him, based on how well he's liked in Arrow.
Because at the end of the day, Wildcat is just another of a wave of superhero clones flooding the market from the 40s. He doesn't have a super interesting history, or powers, or anything. He's got his kinda cool costume, and that was it. Later writers added the trainer of heroes thing, and there's something there (and even Arrow sounds like it's keeping that). That's Wildcat's unique thing. He's developed into an interesting character over the years. He doesn't need a reinvention.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 09:32:08 PM
I don't understand what about THE BAT-APE requires a face-palm, that shit is amazing.
If you say so, point being.........Mother of god, there was a Bat-Ape   :knife:

Later writers added the trainer of heroes thing, and there's something there (and even Arrow sounds like it's keeping that). That's Wildcat's unique thing. He's developed into an interesting character over the years. He doesn't need a reinvention.
But again, that's the writers prerogative, if you trust were New52/Arrow is going (which I don't) why not 'let it ride?'
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 09:33:12 PM
I don't trust the nu52 at all. It's awful. :I

(I mean sure there's a few writers still doing good but it's a losing battle, DC's editorial is fundamentally misguided, and aside from the new Batman editor, is entirely focused on appealing to 40 year old manchildren)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 09:46:16 PM
I don't trust the nu52 at all. It's awful. :I

(I mean sure there's a few writers still doing good but it's a losing battle, DC's editorial is fundamentally misguided, and aside from the new Batman editor, is entirely focused on appealing to 40 year old manchildren)

Agreed, as for Arrow, I'm not going into it with any kind of high hopes of it being faithful. But I'll give them a chance, 1 chance to sway me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on August 02, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
There's a difference between a little information vs no information (and tmi).

Batman's cape has good uses which are explained. You can break reality a bit for the sake of entertainment.
Nothing about wildcat remotely tells me that he could fight a group of people (with guns) and come out on top without dieing or them being storm troopers.

Wildcat being great at fighting allows a fight with him to tell me that he could beat hundreds of people in a close up fight, even if in reality he would've been too tired to fight so many people, because suspension of disbelief makes it make sense.
Suspension of disbelief is broken when a fight also tells me that he could do it when they also have guns and he's not hiding and being stealthy, or there isn't a LOT of walls and such protecting him from the bullets.


Can you direct me to some issues where Wildcat fought groups of people with guns (and not) so that I could see how it happened, because saying it doesn't need an explanation makes as much sense as the reason storm troopers always missing is because "just roll with it".
I mean even being really fast as the explanation of dodging bullets is better than "it just happens".
:)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 11:19:30 PM
Can you direct me to some issues where Wildcat fought groups of people with guns (and not) so that I could see how it happened, because saying it doesn't need an explanation makes as much sense as the reason storm troopers always missing is because "just roll with it".
I mean even being really fast as the explanation of dodging bullets is better than "it just happens".
:)
Just look at the Golden Age issues or something. It hasn't happened in years, AFAIK. It's just not relevant at all to Wildcat as of late, because he doesn't fight muggers anymore.

It'd probably be just like one guy with a gun though, because there is a limit to suspension of disbelief. Most street level superheroes don't usually fight multiple gun toting thugs anyway, things always seem to devolve into fist fights, beause that's more interesting in a visual medium.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on August 02, 2014, 11:40:59 PM

Wildcat being great at fighting allows a fight with him to tell me that he could beat hundreds of people in a close up fight, even if in reality he would've been too tired to fight so many people, because suspension of disbelief makes it make sense.

Lets say he's a 1980's Tyson level striker (http://youtu.be/1z9mbQk58B0), taking on 50 dudes (no guns, boxing gloves) he'll drop one by one in 2-4 punches.

Now taped or speedwraped, he's taking you're head off, 1-2 punches, max. You're average, street level punk/drug addict/pimp/hoodie has never been toughened through training as any professional fighter has.

Now upgrade the gloves for better hand protection and reinforced knuckles, you're breaking bones, first shot. The man wouldn't even break a sweat, dropping 100, as when training, he throws thousands of punches.

I can see it being plausible.


Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 05, 2014, 06:44:18 AM
SECRET SIX IS BACK

SECRET SIX IS BACK

SECRET SIX IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/04/gail-simone-and-ken-lashleys-sinister-six-launches-from-dc-comics/)

but where the hell is Scandal, and Bane, and Rag Doll? >:[
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 05, 2014, 07:24:26 AM
They may not make the cut...or will they?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on September 09, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/22076-dc-reveals-december-variant-cover-theme.html

... Those are awesome.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on September 09, 2014, 07:59:05 PM
I don't recognize anyone on that Secret Six cover except for Black Alice, but from what I have gathered from CBR, the other members may be Shauna Belzer, Doctor Occult, Talon (?), and Riddler's daughter.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 10, 2014, 07:29:12 AM
Definitely looks like a Talon (but who is under the mask?), and Catman seems to still be involved, at least.

http://www.newsarama.com/22076-dc-reveals-december-variant-cover-theme.html

... Those are awesome.
As Comics Alliance's Chris Sims said: it's from the DC universe we actually wished existed instead of the current New 52 nightmare. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on September 10, 2014, 11:14:19 AM
http://www.newsarama.com/22076-dc-reveals-december-variant-cover-theme.html

... Those are awesome.
As Comics Alliance's Chris Sims said: it's from the DC universe we actually wished existed instead of the current New 52 nightmare. :(

Yes. :(
That is a very, very sad truth. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on September 11, 2014, 05:46:44 AM
welp, I have basically given up on DC atm, With the whole futures end crap I've just had it. Cloning batman (not to mention his body seems to be failing), multiple batgirls, random black power girl (With a super outdated look, wtf wears afro puffs still?) John stewart is breaking bad, Wally west is an angry black man. Oh and Luthor is trying to clone superman again.

it also seems like canary has become a female ra's ah ghul.


Man, fuck DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on September 12, 2014, 01:53:32 AM
Agreed, the last OMG moment was this one for me-

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on September 12, 2014, 06:40:47 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/22109-blue-beetle-booster-are-back-the-pre-new-52-blue-beetle-booster-gold-are-back.html

Okay this actually excites me for once.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on September 12, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Quote
Maybe this will help: It turns out that Justice League 3000 takes place in the future of a pre-New 52 world.

wut
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 12, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
After long time after N52's shit started, I was enthusiastic about this... until I read this:
Quote
Nrama: Now wait a minute, which Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are these?

Giffen: They're J.M. DeMatteis and my Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.

Our Blue Beetle never got shot in the head. He never split from Booster Gold.

The last memories these two clowns have is that Max was mad at them. Then they woke up in a refrigerator on Takron-Galtos. It's our Justice League.
So... this means Infinite Crisis never existed??
(http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/PWxyz/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/blue_beetle_ted_kord_death.jpeg)

OK Giffen, you're gonna screw everything :blank:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on September 12, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
So... this means Infinite Crisis never existed??

You say that as if it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on September 12, 2014, 11:38:53 PM
After long time after N52's shit started, I was enthusiastic about this... until I read this:
Quote
Nrama: Now wait a minute, which Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are these?

Giffen: They're J.M. DeMatteis and my Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.

Our Blue Beetle never got shot in the head. He never split from Booster Gold.

The last memories these two clowns have is that Max was mad at them. Then they woke up in a refrigerator on Takron-Galtos. It's our Justice League.
So... this means Infinite Crisis never existed??

based on the way booster and beetle are dressed it looks like it's them from their JLI days.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2014, 12:17:44 AM
Oh man, I'm so, so happy about this. The good DC universe still exists, and even better, it's one that doesn't have dead Ted Kord. I will go further pretend/assume that Jaime Reyes still became the next Blue Beetle (Ted doesn't have to necessarily die for the scarab to end up in Jaime's back), that Identity Crisis didn't happen either (because this is following Giffen and DeMatteis's I Can't Believe It's Not The Justice League series, and who the fuck wants to follow up the hints that Sue Dibny is pregnant in those two series with fucking shitty-ass Identity Crisis?), and that this universe is the end result of Superman's wish at the end of Final Crisis for a happy ending!!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on September 13, 2014, 01:21:04 AM
Now if they can just get a new artist  :-\

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

This looks awesome mostly, the Bug itself looks great but these faces man, yeeeeeesh
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 13, 2014, 05:29:55 AM
It was really weird when Kevin Maguire was kicked off drawing the book, before the first issue (apparently he was too "goofy" for DC's house style, which... baaaaaaaaaaaaaaarf). And after Giffen and DeMatteis said that thing about "this is basically the third I Can't Believe It's Not The Justice League book", it really stings that Maguire isn't onboard as well. That dude simply fantastic, and his faces especially are a thing of wonder:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fXx3uUpSEZs/UrnQ_LGlVdI/AAAAAAAAFZo/kmDnY93q080/s1600/Justice_League_23_Gardner_Miracle.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 25, 2014, 05:59:20 PM
Is DC Comics teasing the return of pre-New 52 continuity? (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/comics/news/a598955/is-dc-comics-teasing-the-return-of-pre-new-52-continuity.html) (beware: it has spoilers)

Is this the end is the beginning is the end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OEvDqRr898)?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on September 25, 2014, 06:33:51 PM
Wait, New 52 going to end?  o_O

Is this the end is the beginning is the end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OEvDqRr898)?

Yeah, Smashing Pumpkins! :buttrox:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Eddie Hunter on September 25, 2014, 06:54:43 PM
I think it will get merged with the old DC Universe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on September 25, 2014, 07:57:05 PM
Personally, I won't believe it until I see it. That page would means nothing, as well the "cameo appearances" of PreN52 Booster and Beetle, so let's see what's happens in next months. I just hope if everything will be back to normal old DC Universe, a WildStorm universe will returns too

Yeah, Smashing Pumpkins! :buttrox:
:beatnik:
I forgot to say the video is somewhat related to the news
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on September 25, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
I can't see that happening.

I am disgusted that there is a universe dedicated to Bruce Timm's atrocities.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Eddie Hunter on September 25, 2014, 08:19:17 PM
Batman Beyond 2.0 and Justice League Beyond 2.0 take place in Timm-Verse, and i don't see what you don't like about Bruce Timm animations/cartoon's, they're awesome!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 30, 2014, 02:29:22 AM
Yeah I dunno about all that, at most I could see them establishing the old universe as still being out there, but as long as the DiDio, Lee, and Johns are still in charge, there's no way nu52 is being trashed.

I am disgusted that there is a universe dedicated to Bruce Timm's atrocities.
Get the fuck off my forum.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 30, 2014, 04:20:18 AM
There is no need for that. Japanese Jesus was obviously trying to get to us fans of Bruce Timm's works.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 30, 2014, 05:03:30 AM
Yes, thank you Uche. I don't know what we'd do without you around to sense the underlying meaning to posted text.

So yeah, I think we're going to see a Zero Hour sort of event to smooth out the universe at the end of Multiversity. I'm hoping they at least consider expanding the continuity to the old "10 years" of activity rather than the heavily compressed "5 years", which is one of my biggest problems with the new 52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Eddie Hunter on September 30, 2014, 05:19:40 AM
Do you guy's think about the possibility that Didio recovered his soul from hell and now he sees that merging both universes is a good option?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 30, 2014, 05:26:14 AM
I have always been of the opinion that Didio gets too big a share of hate that should be rightfully focused on Jim Lee and Bob Harras. Some of the most interesting books of the new 52 only exist because Dan Didio went to bat for them.

That being said, I think complete "merger" is too high of an expectation to set.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on September 30, 2014, 06:47:26 AM
Oh damn, I forgot Harras. Lee, DiDio, and Johns have all done quality work elsewhere, but Harras? Ugh.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on September 30, 2014, 07:07:53 AM
how can you forget him? I mean yea he's a worthless pile of shit,but He ruined Marvel in the 90's for friggin years, he's always been about backwards-ness. New 52 was a new way to do that and ruin everything in the process.

I've been blaming him for most of this crap more than the others. I mean he's totally winning right now. He has dc shitting out bricks and Now Marvel is doing an event with something he was partially responsible for as well (Onslaught)

To quote Bob saget; "His shit is everywhere!"
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on October 01, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
Aqua man..

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 01, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
THIS ISNT THE THREAD FOR THAT
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on October 01, 2014, 10:11:53 PM
It's not for the Cinematic universe topic for sure, pretty sure it's for here.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 01, 2014, 10:19:26 PM
This is a comic thread and that is a cartoon. It belongs in the cartoon thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/the-cartoon-thread-162320.0.html).
Title: Re: DC Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Edtion on October 02, 2014, 12:43:50 AM
We disagree
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on October 02, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
This thread is fine for that stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 02, 2014, 02:41:28 AM
Oh well. I'm abandoning ship before this thread becomes a DCAU haven.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 02, 2014, 05:03:55 AM
Gotham: EP2 review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7jZ8IW1xjM)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on October 02, 2014, 11:02:45 AM
link to youtube review
no
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on October 02, 2014, 12:31:25 PM
Oh well. I'm abandoning ship before this thread becomes a DCAU haven.
Hope you enjoyed your stay. :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 03, 2014, 12:22:37 AM
link to youtube review
no

Oh yes, and it sucks in every way, I new it would.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 03, 2014, 12:45:31 AM
Oh well Byakko, pack it in. Guy I've never heard of on Youtube apparently thinks Gotham sucks. I guess we should stop watching. Good thing no one on Youtube thinks anything else I watch isn't goo- Oh.

Oh no.

No.

What am I going to do with my time now?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on October 03, 2014, 01:04:12 AM
I'm gonna make a youtube review of how all youtube reviewers (not just this one, I didn't even watch it, since it's a youtube review) are retarded. What kind of fucking retard goes to a forum and post a link to a youtube review of anything ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 03, 2014, 03:50:03 AM
I'm gonna make a youtube review of how all youtube reviewers

Please do,....really do it. Go ahead........I want you to do it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on October 03, 2014, 09:49:13 AM
How stupid can you be
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on October 03, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
I don't know, I think a policial series like Gotham Central should be enough for the series, I'm still thinking adding young Batman villains before Batman is useless, since it's because Batman himself inspire characters to become villains.

By the other side, I'm still waiting for Barry Fucking Allen series :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 03, 2014, 05:09:26 PM
It's too early to say one way or the other, but they only seem to be showing the seeds of what they'll become. The only one that's a villain already is the Penguin, and it's not like he's shooting guys with machine gun umbrellas at the stage. I don't even think they're doing a "hey, this guy could be the Joker" every episode, unless I just completely missed it in the last one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: ELECTR0 on October 07, 2014, 08:44:56 PM
I'm just watching Gotham for funny factor right now. That pilot episode was pretty lame and the symbolism was way to apparent. Catwoman steals milk, Ivy sprays water on potted plants, Oswald holds umbrella for boss, Edward tries to say a riddle just to hand Harvy & Gordon information etc.. It was to rushed introducing the characters and everything seemed like it all took place in a radius of 2 blocks. Just when I thought it couldn't get funnier, I see Gordon go home and Barbara looks like a Victoria Secret supermodel. I like Arrow and it has a little bit of cheesiness to it as well, but Gotham was a bit much for me. I have higher hopes that Flash is at least as good as Arrow is. If so I will be happy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 08, 2014, 03:08:24 AM
Flash was awesome in almost every respect. Clearly every lesson they learned from Arrow was put to good use.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: ELECTR0 on October 08, 2014, 03:20:41 AM
Agreed and the special effects were really good. I especially like how Flash looked during the tornado scene.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 08, 2014, 03:28:23 AM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/speedpreacher/1412731378008_zps9219b99b.gif~original)

Yeah, I was really kind of surprised how good the effect were for a TV budget.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2014, 04:35:17 AM
Some sad news: the Supreme Court declined to hear the Shuster family's case against DC, over ownership of Superman (http://comicsalliance.com/u-s-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-shuster-familys-superman-ownership-case/), meaning the decision dismissing any claims they have to the character is upheld. Really fucked up. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: S. Jetstream on October 08, 2014, 04:39:32 AM
Ohh...man those are big trouble  :(
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2014, 05:12:26 AM
IDK if this counts because it's just an arc in a regular series but it has Saga in the name so...
(http://i.imgur.com/foCPCpt.jpg)
maybe it's just because I've got Legion on my mind recently, but seriously, this is just fucking amazing. It just builds and builds, a masterful ratcheting up of the threat level, until it becomes nigh-unbearable. First you've got a bunch of immensely powerful artifacts stolen by mysterious, very powerful shadow warriors, who have gathered said artifacts for their mentor, who absorbs the items' powers; so alright, that shouldn't be too hard for the Legion to solve, eventually.

Oh wait what's this now, the Master effortlessly defeats the Legion's most dangerous and powerful foes, the dread wizard Mordru and the all powerful cosmic entity the Time Trapper? Invisible Kid II just catches a glimpse of the Master's face and his hair turns white from the immense fear?

Then the Legion figures out that the shadow minions are clones of Superman and a Guardian of the Universe, the dudes who give Green Lanterns their power? And they're just this Master guy's minions?

Oh shit, oh shit, the Master just teleported to Daxam (home of the Daxamites, who, as we all know, are basically identical biologically to Kryptonians, except they're weak to lead instead of Kryptonite), and moved the entire planet and placed it near a yellow sun, and then mind controls the entire population of Daxam, giving him a 3 billion plus army of Superman-level slaves at his command????

Then he has the population of Daxam reshape their very planet in his image, revealing at last who the mysterious Master is... Darkseid!?!?!?! (yeah, not really a mystery anymore, and his big rocky face is plastered on every trade paperback of this story, but even knowing that you still get wrapped up in the story!) Holy fucking shit balls I can't take anymore!!!

and so when you look at shit like Justice League War's use of Darkseid, compared to Paul Levitz and Keith Giffen pulling out all the stops with their big Darkseid story... maaaaaaaaaaaaaan. It's so depressing!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 08, 2014, 05:52:27 AM
Zero Year is probably my favorite "saga" in recent years. Outside of that, boring answers like Starman (ALL OF IT) and Rock of Ages in JLA. Also A Lonely Place of Dying, which is near and dear to my heart. It's one of the first complete comic book arcs I ever read and established Tim Drake as "my" Robin from a young age (which has made recent years pretty fucking miserable).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on October 08, 2014, 06:02:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/foCPCpt.jpg)

Best DC arc EVER! :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 08, 2014, 06:04:04 AM
CAPULLO AND JUSTICE LEAGUE (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=23988)

Brings warmth to my nether region.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 08, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/huSybsc.png)

THE STRONGEST MOBILE SUIT IN NEO-GOTHAM.

THAT ENDING .. (http://i.imgur.com/mo7zYc9.png)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on October 09, 2014, 02:59:10 AM
CAPULLO AND JUSTICE LEAGUE (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=23988)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/BM-Cv35-ds-4a38a.jpg)
WTF?? Where's Superman and Aquaman feet?? :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 09, 2014, 04:44:36 AM
THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST THAT THEY DON'T HAVE FEET ANYMORE
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 09, 2014, 07:36:06 AM
THAT ENDING .. (http://i.imgur.com/mo7zYc9.png)

WHAT IS HAPPENING I DON'T EVEN KNOW
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on October 09, 2014, 07:48:02 AM
Last Laugh probably isn't still in canon, right? Or maybe he refined the formula?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 09, 2014, 08:26:23 AM
I'm thinking maybe it's some sort of mixture with the "Cassandra" fear toxin and this is just some weird hallucination. Anything to keep this from being Snyder treading ground he's already trod and sprained his ankle on.

That backup story was pretty creepy, though, so I dunno
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on October 10, 2014, 12:28:33 AM
THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST THAT THEY DON'T HAVE FEET ANYMORE

:laugh3:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 21, 2014, 05:19:01 AM
(http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/batman-and-robin-38-109858.jpg)

DAMIAN IS UN-DEAD AND HE CAN DEFLECT BULLETS NOW

WHAT IF SOMEONE SHOOTS HIM IN THE FACE
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 21, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
Damn it  :brood:

Let me guess, the f***ing Lazarus Pit?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2014, 11:24:44 PM
Yeah man, Lazarus Pits are such bullshit, damn lazy writers taking advantage of a well-established resurrection device that is integral to the al Ghul family mythos, why couldn't they use something interesting like Superboy Prime punching reality walls or something?

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/batman-and-robin-38-109858.jpg

DAMIAN IS UN-DEAD AND HE CAN DEFLECT BULLETS NOW

WHAT IF SOMEONE SHOOTS HIM IN THE FACE
This has got to be some kind of fakeout, especially since this is all taking place on Apokolips and it looks like the "resurrection" is due to some New Gods artifact.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 22, 2014, 12:04:40 AM
Is that the sarcastic way of saying 'It could be worse'? Because, if something sucks less, that doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

Superboy Prime punching reality walls or something?

Wait, what? Oh no, no no no.

*Googles*

 :veryangry:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2014, 12:13:58 AM
lol fake nerd.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 22, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
Damn it  :brood:

Let me guess, the f***ing Lazarus Pit?

Damian is too kawaii to stay dead.

Knowing Tomasi it probably will involve some New Gods artifact. Perhaps Damian will be Darkseid's vessel?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on October 22, 2014, 06:43:32 AM
Perhaps Damian will be Darkseid's vessel?

Hmm, it could be interesting (though i didn't like so much this "Super Robin" idea :P). It's some possibilities about Damian's destiny.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 23, 2014, 02:28:04 AM
Damian is too kawaii to stay dead.
It's Batman, nothing is suppose to be cute *shakes fist*

He shouldn't exist at all, let alone die and return via 'maguffin pit' :bigcry: Seriously am I the only one who hates this little bastard?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 23, 2014, 02:30:50 AM
You aren't allowed to hate Grant Morrison's creations, sorry. I seriously don't understand your problem with Damian, there are FAR worse and more overexposed Batman characters (Harley Quinn, Jason Todd).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on October 23, 2014, 02:38:54 AM
You better just be talking about nu52 Harley >:[

Is that the sarcastic way of saying 'It could be worse'? Because, if something sucks less, that doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
Oh no way, I'm not being sarcastic at all, and I totally agree that using the Lazarus Pits--a component of Batman mythology since the 1970s, to resurrect a member of the al Ghul family, whose whole entire deal is being immortal leaders of assassin leagues who stay young/revive themselves from death by using said Pits--just doesn't make sense, why couldn't they use something already established!

Wait, what? Oh no, no no no.

*Googles*

 :veryangry:
holy shit you really do have no goddamn idea about literally anything you're talking about :XD:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 23, 2014, 03:09:35 AM
I've no interest in the SBP saga, because is find it ridiculous, thus I knew nothing about said "reality punch".

Aaaaaand now that I know, I'm going to try hard to forget it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 23, 2014, 04:06:05 AM
holy shit you really do have no goddamn idea about literally anything you're talking about :XD:

and you keep on replying to him  :veryangry:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on October 25, 2014, 04:29:44 AM
Making Batman Poorer Might Actually Be a Pretty Good Idea (http://kotaku.com/making-batman-poorer-might-actually-be-a-pretty-good-id-1650004356)

 :wall:

F*** DC. I'm done!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 25, 2014, 04:31:08 AM
You don't follow anything anyway. You know nothing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 25, 2014, 04:37:55 AM
Also, kotaku? Get that shit outta here
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 04, 2014, 03:51:43 AM
So yeah, I think we're going to see a Zero Hour sort of event to smooth out the universe

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6043adbfc2fe62f9468f4ef4ab735c6831bdd62f/c=0-191-2804-2299&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/11/02/635505518875170283-XXX-CONVERGENCEPROMO-300-RGB-68452526.JPG)

It's happening (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/11/03/dc-comics-convergence-exclusive/18249201/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 04, 2014, 03:56:46 AM
Who is the green person between Garrick and Scott?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 04, 2014, 03:57:23 AM
Jade, Alan Scott's daughter.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on November 04, 2014, 04:18:16 AM
*crosses fingers*

I hope Question is coming back, DC needs him alive.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 04, 2014, 04:20:42 AM
remember when montoya became the question and then wasn't anymore
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 04, 2014, 04:24:37 AM
remember when montoya became the question and then wasn't anymore
Yeah :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 04, 2014, 06:51:12 AM
Pretty sure the Question's still around, he's just been 52'd into some amnesiac immortal guy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 04, 2014, 06:57:41 AM
Yeah, he's made some appearances in Justice League Dark.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 05, 2014, 02:46:38 AM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/GOTHAC-Cv1-1-25-var-85dc7.jpg)

Somehow I have never heard of this. I can't believe it's an actual thing. It's like the most cliche YA novel in comic form. Nick Spencer run plz.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 05, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
You realize that that book is one of the best, most critically acclaimed series DC has put out in a while, right?

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 05, 2014, 03:10:07 AM
Whoa there's only one issue, let's not jump the gun here. It's pretty good but it didn't grab me like Grayson did.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on November 05, 2014, 03:15:17 AM
besides you're basically just baiting Sky with that, and who wants that?


Why is Kula Diamond in Gotham City? and how is that bait?  :jester:

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 05, 2014, 03:22:20 AM
Whoa there's only one issue, let's not jump the gun here. It's pretty good but it didn't grab me like Grayson did.
I think it was pretty great and has lots of potential!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 05, 2014, 03:30:02 AM
It's a little too faux-Gunnerkrigg for my taste, but I'll give it a few issues. I like it better than Batgirl though, that came off very try-hard for me with the hashtags and whatnot.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on November 05, 2014, 11:21:38 AM
Oh wow, Sky, somebody who's constantly pestering the DC and Marvel threads, didn't know about the retcon punch. Holy shit hahahaha!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 05, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
besides you're basically just baiting Sky with that, and who wants that?

the game got level upped, now it's not about baiting sky, that's too easy, it is about baiting someone whot gets baited by sky's replies to the apparent sky bait.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on November 06, 2014, 12:36:40 AM
retcon punch

I don't reward lazy writing. It's a waste of money better spent on good scotch.

Carry on  :beatnik:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on November 11, 2014, 07:09:59 AM
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6043adbfc2fe62f9468f4ef4ab735c6831bdd62f/c=0-191-2804-2299&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/11/02/635505518875170283-XXX-CONVERGENCEPROMO-300-RGB-68452526.JPG)

It's happening (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/11/03/dc-comics-convergence-exclusive/18249201/)
No, I denied to believe this, unless this event revert N52 into old/unique DCU. However, this is a great opportunity to see if these writers are able to mke a Crisis-like series, it's good to see old faces between all the shit came with N52 (even if not all is bad here)

Also, an expanded Convergence poster is up now (http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jck//Zechs/expandedconvergenceteaser.jpg), how many stories/elseworlds/universes can you see here??
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 11, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
That one with old-school (aka good) Harley Quinn, Renee Montoya Question, Blackbat, Stephenie Brown Batgirl, and possibly Wally West Flash, could it be? The old universe?!?!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on November 11, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
Yes please, there're rumours about that in whole internet that this could happens after this new event. Also, I want old WildStorm Universe back, no more mixed shit with NDCU, please :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 11, 2014, 09:51:03 PM
Well holy shit, look at this:
(http://i.imgur.com/WOkcCO5.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/nTQ7gDL.jpg)
10, two-part miniseries about the old DCU (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56990) as part of the Convergence event. Besides a pregnant Lois and the return of Wally West, you've got: Ray Palmer finds out Ryan Choi is actually still alive! Roy Harper tries to resurrect his daughter! Harley Quinn (good version) team up with Catwoman and Poison Ivy? Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon are married (written by Gail Simone)?! Stephanie Brown Batgirl teams up with Cassandra Cain Black Bat?!?! GREG RUCKA IS WRITING A RENEE MONTOYA QUESTION MINISERIES?!?!?!?!

... please DC. Please don't ruin this. Please don't show all this off only to have this universe horribly destroyed in this dumb new event. Just put it off to the side and let it sit out there in the multiverse, and don't disturb it. Please, keep doing you're doing with the nu52 and all that associated shittiness, but please, just give us this one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on November 11, 2014, 10:59:04 PM
Oh gods... may they get this right. This has everything to be awesome...
Just... give us this DC, and keep all that bad wacky stuff on nu52... please, pretty pretty please with sugar on top.
You have something wonderful in your hands... please, don't ruin it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on November 11, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Roy Harper tries to resurrect his daughter!
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg)
(sorry, I can't avoid to put this by reading that sentence)

... please DC. Please don't ruin this. Please don't show all this off only to have this universe horribly destroyed in this dumb new event. Just put it off to the side and let it sit out there in the multiverse, and don't disturb it. Please, keep doing you're doing with the nu52 and all that associated shittiness, but please, just give us this one.
Same here, I'm praying for that too
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 11, 2014, 11:16:22 PM
Roy Harper tries to resurrect his daughter!

I don't understand your grievance with this. Explain.

It's nice to see that Greg Rucka is alive and well. Ron Marz writing Batman & Robin is vomit-inducing.



(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/BM-36-5-c0815.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GkHkVKq.gif?1)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on November 11, 2014, 11:39:30 PM
Well holy shit, look at this:
(http://i.imgur.com/WOkcCO5.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/nTQ7gDL.jpg)
10, two-part miniseries about the old DCU (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56990) as part of the Convergence event. Besides a pregnant Lois and the return of Wally West, you've got: Ray Palmer finds out Ryan Choi is actually still alive! Roy Harper tries to resurrect his daughter! Harley Quinn (good version) team up with Catwoman and Poison Ivy? Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon are married (written by Gail Simone)?! Stephanie Brown Batgirl teams up with Cassandra Cain Black Bat?!?! GREG RUCKA IS WRITING A RENEE MONTOYA QUESTION MINISERIES?!?!?!?!
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141022011400/le-miiverse-resource/images/f/f1/Friday-damn-scene-o.gif)

Hell NO!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 11, 2014, 11:57:49 PM
Well holy shit, look at this:
(http://i.imgur.com/WOkcCO5.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/nTQ7gDL.jpg)
10, two-part miniseries about the old DCU (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56990) as part of the Convergence event. Besides a pregnant Lois and the return of Wally West, you've got: Ray Palmer finds out Ryan Choi is actually still alive! Roy Harper tries to resurrect his daughter! Harley Quinn (good version) team up with Catwoman and Poison Ivy? Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon are married (written by Gail Simone)?! Stephanie Brown Batgirl teams up with Cassandra Cain Black Bat?!?! GREG RUCKA IS WRITING A RENEE MONTOYA QUESTION MINISERIES?!?!?!?!

... please DC. Please don't ruin this. Please don't show all this off only to have this universe horribly destroyed in this dumb new event. Just put it off to the side and let it sit out there in the multiverse, and don't disturb it. Please, keep doing you're doing with the nu52 and all that associated shittiness, but please, just give us this one.

you forgot batman comes out of the closet.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on November 12, 2014, 02:45:35 AM

you forgot batman comes out of the closet.

WHAT?  o_O
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 12, 2014, 02:54:27 AM
Did you click the link? Did you read it in the link?

Then don't pay attention to [E], he's just fucking around.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 12, 2014, 05:28:10 AM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/KLRN-2-4-5-61ec4.jpg)

WHAT ARE BAYONETTA AND QUENTIN QUIRE DOING IN A DC COMIC
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on November 13, 2014, 04:37:52 PM
Hell NO!!
... hell no to DC not only bringing back their beloved but discarded characters for one last hurrah but also using those stories to try and undo some of the really stupid decisions that came near the end of the prenu52 universe (Lian Harper's death, Ryan Choi's death)? :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Neocide on November 13, 2014, 05:02:34 PM
Well holy shit, look at this:
(http://i.imgur.com/WOkcCO5.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/nTQ7gDL.jpg)
10, two-part miniseries about the old DCU (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56990) as part of the Convergence event. Besides a pregnant Lois and the return of Wally West, you've got: Ray Palmer finds out Ryan Choi is actually still alive! Roy Harper tries to resurrect his daughter! Harley Quinn (good version) team up with Catwoman and Poison Ivy? Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon are married (written by Gail Simone)?! Stephanie Brown Batgirl teams up with Cassandra Cain Black Bat?!?! GREG RUCKA IS WRITING A RENEE MONTOYA QUESTION MINISERIES?!?!?!?!

... please DC. Please don't ruin this. Please don't show all this off only to have this universe horribly destroyed in this dumb new event. Just put it off to the side and let it sit out there in the multiverse, and don't disturb it. Please, keep doing you're doing with the nu52 and all that associated shittiness, but please, just give us this one.

omg omg omg  omg omg omg omg omg.

*Breathes*

So much yes, I hope this doesn't get shat on.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 15, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57080

They're trying so hard to make Harley DC's Deadpool.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on December 03, 2014, 06:19:47 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/frank-miller-and-scott-snyder-to-write-dark-knight-3/

........well at least someone will be there to keep Crazy Old Miller in check.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on December 03, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK WHAT


... I mean Jesus, where do you even go after The Dark Knight Strikes Again? Can Snyder really keep in check a Frank Miller who's like, at least 10 times crazier than the one who wrote TDK2???
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on December 04, 2014, 05:17:50 AM
At this point J, I'm going to sit back and just watch the rain wreak.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 13, 2014, 03:31:31 AM
Every variant cover to ever grace a comic book in history has lead up to this moment.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/speedpreacher/Superman-Bill-Ted-Excellent-Adventure-Comic-Cover_zps315dcb88.jpg)
The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. Coming March 2015.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on December 13, 2014, 03:35:36 AM
Every variant cover to ever grace a comic book in history has lead up to this moment.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/speedpreacher/Superman-Bill-Ted-Excellent-Adventure-Comic-Cover_zps315dcb88.jpg)
The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. Coming March 2015.
holy shit that is fucking incredible
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on December 13, 2014, 03:37:05 AM
(http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/12/batgirl-movie-poster-variant-for-previews-gallery-primary-115318.jpg)

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110111024505/batman/images/d/d5/Batman_and_Robin-6_Cover-1.jpg)

MORRISON ALREADY DID THIS
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on December 13, 2014, 03:50:24 AM
Hey, you can't assume every motorcycle surrounded by purple mist is a Purple Rain reference!

Here's the (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/12/12/the-complete-dc-comics-movie-poster-covers-part-1) whole lineup. (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/12/12/the-complete-dc-comics-movie-poster-covers-part-2)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on December 13, 2014, 04:09:27 AM
You can when Morrison himself cited Purple Rain as the cover's (and character's) influence.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on December 13, 2014, 08:14:28 AM
Every variant cover to ever grace a comic book in history has lead up to this moment.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m572/speedpreacher/Superman-Bill-Ted-Excellent-Adventure-Comic-Cover_zps315dcb88.jpg)
The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. Coming March 2015.
holy shit that is fucking incredible

What Mr. Jay over there said.
Those are awesome and that one is the best of the lot.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Sky79 on December 13, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
lol how the hell did Steel even fit in there :P

"Bigger on the inside" I guess.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on December 22, 2014, 12:18:46 AM
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/09/Batgirl02.jpg)

NO WAY THIS WASNT INSPIRED BY JOJOS
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on December 22, 2014, 12:36:25 AM
Seems more likely that it would be voguing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on January 20, 2015, 10:55:42 PM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/preview/0/0/1/BMROB-38-4-b2a5c.jpg)

damien is god tier now guys
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on January 21, 2015, 12:16:07 AM
Cover artist guy for that one... bullets don't work that way!
The case never flies with the bullet, ffs! >:(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on January 21, 2015, 12:52:32 AM
Unless you're throwing them by hand
like, really hard
and making chainsaw sounds with your mouth
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 21, 2015, 01:33:40 AM
that's totally what asshole superman would do.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 28, 2015, 06:38:12 PM
Just read Batman #38. We stand at the precipice of one of the most useless "It was all a dream" stories of all time, or one of the stupidest "try and top THIS" Joker stories I've ever read.

I don't see any way Snyder can salvage this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on January 29, 2015, 08:36:47 AM
Just read The Multiversity Guidebook and it confirmed my suspicions that Earth-12 IS the DCAU.

Also, earth-50 is the Justice lords earth from that episode, which I was not expecting but when I saw it, it was the clincher for me that Earth-12 is the DCAU.

For some reason I am really happy right now, however at the same time I have a feeling that somehow this is also bad, because it took the New 52 to do this instead of the of DCU, whatever. Maybe we can get a new DCU story out of this, though if we do it'll probably be batman beyond, which, no offense to Terry, isn't very much of an exciting idea.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 03, 2015, 03:05:11 AM
Superman is getting a new superpower courtesy of Geoff Johns and John Romita, Jr.:
(http://i.imgur.com/uk6bzzw.jpg)
it looks like some kinda explosion-y power that is used purely for destruction, which is really something Superman has been missing for 75 years.
Geoff Johns said:
It's definitely the most destructive power Superman has, and he's not exactly excited about it because it is so dangerous and there are consequences.
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 03, 2015, 04:54:38 AM
I don't care that I'm double posting

so uh the Newsarama article where I first read about the new powerset made it sound really terrible (a lot of emphasis on NEW DANGEROUS DESTRUCTIVE POWER and what not) but I just saw the original source, this USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/02/02/superman-new-power-exclusive-preview/22751191/), where it actually doesn't sound too bad; there's actually potential behind this, and it sounds like this new power is a bad thing Superman doesn't want.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 03, 2015, 05:35:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/uk6bzzw.jpg)

This is really being a big trouble for Superman. (and for everyone!)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 03, 2015, 05:41:06 AM
I don't care that I'm double posting

so uh the Newsarama article where I first read about the new powerset made it sound really terrible (a lot of emphasis on NEW DANGEROUS DESTRUCTIVE POWER and what not) but I just saw the original source, this USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/02/02/superman-new-power-exclusive-preview/22751191/), where it actually doesn't sound too bad; there's actually potential behind this, and it sounds like this new power is a bad thing Superman doesn't want.

That sounds more like it. Johns has actually been doing solid work with this arc of Superman (he's actually been doing solid work all around, which makes me wonder who the hell showed up to write his stuff for the first couple of years of nu52). I wish it had better art, but watchagonnado?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: DatKofGuy on February 03, 2015, 08:29:11 AM
Add to the new power a new costume... well not really new... some slight adjustments
(http://i.imgur.com/PdLBjk1.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on February 03, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
Superman's original New 52 costume is better than this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 03, 2015, 03:31:24 PM
I prefer the first New 52 costume.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on February 03, 2015, 04:35:58 PM
Besides that, the new costume Superman has looks like the one Superboy should wear.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on February 06, 2015, 04:52:28 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/23456-dc-reveals-major-changes-new-direction-for-comic-book-line.html

Quote
Beginning in June, DC Entertainment is de-emphasizing continuity and scrapping the "New 52" branding of its superhero comics line, as the publisher launches a “bold new direction for the DC Universe” and a slew of new titles it's calling “inclusive,” "contemporary," and "accessible."

I must be dreaming or something, because there is no way this is real.
DC, trying to make comics good again? Impossible.

Quote
Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner, who will continue to write the surprisingly successful Harley Quinn title, are the writers of the new Starfire and Harley Quinn/Power Girl series, respectively.

... Please, please, I can't be dreaming. This MUST be real! D:
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: lui on February 06, 2015, 05:04:07 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/23456-dc-reveals-major-changes-new-direction-for-comic-book-line.html

Quote
Beginning in June, DC Entertainment is de-emphasizing continuity and scrapping the "New 52" branding of its superhero comics line, as the publisher launches a “bold new direction for the DC Universe” and a slew of new titles it's calling “inclusive,” "contemporary," and "accessible."

I must be dreaming or something, because there is no way this is real.
DC, trying to make comics good again? Impossible.

Quote
Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner, who will continue to write the surprisingly successful Harley Quinn title, are the writers of the new Starfire and Harley Quinn/Power Girl series, respectively.

... Please, please, I can't be dreaming. This MUST be real! D:

DC is finally making good stories again?......somebody please punch me in the face because this must be a dream. A DREAM.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on February 06, 2015, 05:24:13 PM
The rumors are true. While we may no longer see Old 52 (we can play DC Universe Online for that one), this new direction is something worth looking for. DC's New 52 was growing on me. I will miss it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: lui on February 06, 2015, 05:35:47 PM
The New 52 rebooted universe will still exist, there is just gonna be less emphasis on it.

Marvel and DC are finaly getting the memo that their "NEW AGE OF REBOOTS AND REVAMPS" period were things people did not like.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on February 06, 2015, 05:59:30 PM
Excpept that for Marvel, it will feel more along the line of Marvel's Cinematic Universe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 06, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
All those titles
All those minis
All those Robins
All dese hamboigahs

[avatar]http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/555397/519209[/avatar]
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on February 06, 2015, 07:11:03 PM
I hope that doesn't be a dream.
I really hope to finally see the great DC of old times.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 06, 2015, 07:39:26 PM
so basically, it's like Marvel NOW!, I guess? That has a lot of potential, and the new books and creative teams are super, super promising. It's not my ideal, best case scenario of what Convergence would do*, but it sounds pretty good!

the de-emphasizing continuity bit though, doesn't really seem what they're doing in their digital-only Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman books (where each creative team has free reign to use whatever version of the character they want, or to make up one on the spot), but just a general, softer feel of continuity, or something?

*Sue Dibny wakes up from a long nightmare, complaining of the strange, horribly written nightmare she had, involving her being murdered and mindwipes and so on. And then for several pages, with static, unchanging panel art, just absolutely filled to the brim with huge word balloons, she recites to her husband Elongated Man additional things she dreamed that have definitely not happened. And then Wally West Donna Troy and Stephanie Brown show up for some reason and there's a dance party.

Besides that, the new costume Superman has looks like the one Superboy should wear.
how does that make any amount of sense

the new costume is barely any different but it's an improvement in almost every way, as minor as those might be. I mean, it's not an dumb Kryptonian armor anymore! Shouldn't that be cause enough for celebration?

Excpept that for Marvel, it will feel more along the line of Marvel's Cinematic Universe.
you're saying this based on what, exactly? Marvel (and DC) have always moved or changed some characters into appearing or behaving like their movie/TV series counterparts, to varying degrees. Whether it's something simple like Marvel changing Captain America's costume to hew closer to the one in the Avengers movie, or DC revamping Young Justice into a new Teen Titans team with a lineup that matches up pretty well to the cartoon, or something more complex (and also dumb) like revealing Nick Fury's never before mentioned son who in quick succession loses an eye and has reconstructive facial surgery and looks like Samuel L. Jackson and joins SHIELD, while old Fury retires from SHIELD. They don't actually need a reboot to do any of that stuff.

The only real evidence that Marvel's reboot will change everything forever is Marvel's own editorial staff, who hyperbolically say that about literally every event anyway (it's not like, I dunno, Avengers Vs. X-Men irreparably changed the Marvel universe or anything, say). Every other mention of Secret Wars suggests that things aren't changing a ton for the regular Marvel universe; the only thing that's really changing is that the Ultimate universe is gonna go bye-bye.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on February 07, 2015, 08:53:29 PM
The best thing revealed so far is the Midnighter solo series.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/1d3a5e298102073fe04508e00b8d2662/tumblr_njd63jatvG1r7hjkqo1_1280.jpg)

Don't see why it could not have been one of Both Midnighter and Apollo, but eh.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on February 07, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Quote
Martian Manhunter by writer Rob Williams and artists Ben Oliver and Paulo Siqueira

Section Eight by writer Garth Ennis and artist John McCrea

(http://i.imgur.com/GkHkVKq.gif?1)

More than half of these won't make it past issue 8.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2015, 09:16:20 PM
Some of them are planned minis, like Section Eight and IIRC the Bat-Mite and Prez series.

Oh, BTW, there's gonna be a new Prez comic and Bat-Mite series. This is happening. We are truly living in a Golden Age.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 07, 2015, 09:46:10 PM
The sheer number of books I'm legitimately interested in is ASTOUNDING. I never thought I'd be interested in a Black Canary or Starfire solo, for instance, but the talent involved...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on February 07, 2015, 09:56:21 PM

you're saying this based on what, exactly? Marvel (and DC) have always moved or changed some characters into appearing or behaving like their movie/TV series counterparts, to varying degrees. Whether it's something simple like Marvel changing Captain America's costume to hew closer to the one in the Avengers movie, or DC revamping Young Justice into a new Teen Titans team with a lineup that matches up pretty well to the cartoon, or something more complex (and also dumb) like revealing Nick Fury's never before mentioned son who in quick succession loses an eye and has reconstructive facial surgery and looks like Samuel L. Jackson and joins SHIELD, while old Fury retires from SHIELD. They don't actually need a reboot to do any of that stuff.

Well as you know Ultimate did that first and in actuality, I believe it was actually MARVEL who approached Samuel on that and he agreed if he can play Nick Fury. So it's a case of Marvel itself deciding that Samuel L. Jackson is Nick Fury.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2015, 10:20:56 PM
Yep, and if I recall correctly Jackson agreed to it only if he'd be able to play Fury in any future live action deal, which, as we know now, has worked out pretty nicely.

I was specifically talking about the 616 Fury, who recently had a son introduced in a very clunky way so they could have a Nick Fury who looks like Samuel L. Jackson in their main universe.

EDIT: actually nevermind sorta; I double-checked and that story is only sorta true; Bryan Hitch (who often photo-references his faces on celebrities) drew Ultimate Nick Fury as Jackson in The Ultimates, and then Jackson read it (he's a big comics fan) and contacted Marvel, asking to play Fury in the future
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 07, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Yeah, I was about to post that. Nick Fury in the Ultimate verse originally looked nothing at all like Sam Jackson. Millar and Hitch are the only reason he does (who can forget the main guy looking like Eminem in Wanted).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 07, 2015, 11:09:57 PM
Millar has always been pretty creepy with the whole celebrity lookalikes thing, and then in Ultimates he has the characters start to talk about how they resemble celebrities and how said celebrities should play them in a movie and it's just like what.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 07, 2015, 11:25:09 PM
Yeah, I think that scene was the genesis of the Merry Millar Method of comics as script options rather than as comics. Later on he figured out he could crap out a story, fill it with as much shock value as he could to generate buzz, then sell the movie rights before it cooled down. But hey, it seems to be working out for him so what do I know.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on February 18, 2015, 08:56:45 PM
DC's may Convergence solicitations are up. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=59369)

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/CONV-SB-2-20c8c.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2015, 11:23:11 PM
Speaking of Convergence, can we talk about these variant covers "designed by Chip Kidd"?
(http://i.imgur.com/JdLi9FY.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/FkyqLzN.jpg)
that's issue one and two of the Batgirl tie-in. The rest of them are the same: some panel art from an another, uncredited artist, with a PhotoShop filter thrown on top (and then that filter is flipped horizontally for issue two). Like, sure, the fading away into nothingness is a neat idea, but Jesus this is pretty terrible all around, and that weirdly fawning IGN interview (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/16/dc-reveals-convergence-variant-covers-from-chip-kidd) with Kidd isn't helping anything: oh, so it's pop art! He's just like that lovable Roy Lichtenstein, that scamp! (http://boingboing.net/2014/11/07/lichtensteins-theft-and-the.html) That thieving, thieving scamp.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on February 28, 2015, 05:12:57 AM
So hey guys, remember new 52 Lobo? Here's a preview of his new origin! (http://www.avclub.com/article/exclusive-dc-preview-lobo-6-reveals-heartthrob-ass-215880)

as you can see, DC has updated the previous, oh so tired origin (where Lobo kills everyone on his planet as a teen because he's a crazy homicidal weirdo, because what is Lobo if not an absurdly over-the-top parody of grim and gritty anti-heroes) and has instead created a brand new, super cool and unique one where it looks like the king or some other kind of ruler poisons the entire population except for Lobo and this makes him very sad, and doesn't form attachments with anyone because he's hurting really deep inside.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on February 28, 2015, 05:41:22 AM
Everything I've read with Nubo comes off like a parody done by someone with no idea they're writing a parody. It's a very weird experience because I don't know if I've read a shitty comic or an exceptional satire, but it's not compelling either way.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on February 28, 2015, 11:00:13 AM
What the flying fuck?
Why DC, WHY?

Give us back old Lobo, pretty pretty please with sugar on top. :'(
You are doing so many right things with that new comic book line direction. Bringing back old Lobo would be the frosting of the cake.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 28, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
So hey guys, remember new 52 Lobo? Here's a preview of his new origin! (http://www.avclub.com/article/exclusive-dc-preview-lobo-6-reveals-heartthrob-ass-215880)

as you can see, DC has updated the previous, oh so tired origin (where Lobo kills everyone on his planet as a teen because he's a crazy homicidal weirdo, because what is Lobo if not an absurdly over-the-top parody of grim and gritty anti-heroes) and has instead created a brand new, super cool and unique one where it looks like the king or some other kind of ruler poisons the entire population except for Lobo and this makes him very sad, and doesn't form attachments with anyone because he's hurting really deep inside.

but you know, this totally sounds like the first lobo was parodying the grim adn gritty anti-heroes of old and now this lobo is parodying the emo heroes of nowadays.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 03, 2015, 12:42:24 AM
I mean, is it really a parody? It certainly doesn't read like one; it just reads like a weird mishmash of oldLobo but with a more dark and tortured backstory and personality. Besides, are emo heroes really that widespread in superhero comics? Wouldn't a more trenchant satire be like, I dunno, a character whose limbs are constantly being ripped off or something (because seriously you can't shake a stick at nearly every DC book without hitting a giant pile of severed limbs)? And I just don't think the stuff oldLobo was parodying is any less relevant than it was 20 years ago; in many respects it's more relevant now than it was then, what with the way DC's been behaving in so many of its books.

I suppose if one wanted a new version of Lobo to parody emo characters, one could do something like, oldLobo discovers he has a son and the son is all emo about how terrible it is to be the son of Lobo and carry the murderous bloodline and all that shit. It would be fun, playing the two off!

Also I guess to be fair, oldLobo was treading the line between parody and being played straight in pretty much everything he's been in that co-creator Keith Giffen hasn't had a hand it. Sometimes he really was written as just another super dark and gritty anti-hero for mature adults.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 03, 2015, 12:50:37 AM
I dropped the lobo book after the first 3 pages where "the Real Lobo" he killed the real lobo off.

He's just like that lovable Roy Lichtenstein, that scamp! (http://boingboing.net/2014/11/07/lichtensteins-theft-and-the.html) That thieving, thieving scamp.

You know, back in grade 7 we were in English class and a the "Wham!" picture was In our text book, kids started asking what comic book it was from because we wanted to see more, I was told that it wasn't from a comic book and it was just a panel.

I remember going home that day and looking it up, and it turns out that guy stole that art and tons of other artwork from other people and made millions off it, that made me really mad. Still does.

I still have to read that comic book.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 11, 2015, 09:13:11 PM
Something new for you guys to complain about: an all-new Batman.

Quote
BATMAN #41
Written by SCOTT SNYDER
Art by GREG CAPULLO and DANNY MIKI
Cover by GREG CAPULLO
On sale JUNE 10 • 32 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T

The all-new Batman makes his debut! Who is he, and what happens next? Find out here as a new era begins in Gotham City!

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/144/390/original/BM_Cv41.jpg)

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/144/391/original/BG_41-reg.jpg?1425958894)

Interview with Scott Snyder

http://www.newsarama.com/23742-meet-dc-s-all-new-batman.html (http://"http://www.newsarama.com/23742-meet-dc-s-all-new-batman.html")

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Newsarama: Scott, we’ve heard a lot about the three big ongoing things being the Darkseid War in Justice League, plus a “new status quo” in Batman and Superman. So what is this new status quo that we’ve never seen in 75 years of Batman?

Snyder: Well, it’s true that you’ve never seen it. It’s definitely the wackiest thing we’ve every tried. It’s basically the story where I thought, “If I ever do a story out of continuity, I’d love to do this. But there’s no way I can change the mythology to a degree that I could get to this story.” But…here we are. And the thing I love is that it will allow me to explore the characters from angles that are entirely new. There are two characters the story really focuses on, and they’re both in positions where radical, radical changes affect their status quo. And this will allow me to explore the Bat-world in really, really vibrant perspectives.

I’m going into, I guess, my sixth year in Gotham, and things have been so much fun, especially in the last year with [Editor] Mark [Doyle]. And DC is now so progressive with their line and the changes in June that I really feel that right now, it’s the time for us to try something pretty unconventional and risky with the book, because otherwise, we just fall back on playing it safe. This is us saying, “We’re just getting started, and it’s Batman #1.” I promise you, if you get to the end of our 8-page Free Comic Book Day thing and if you don’t think it’s the craziest thing we’ve ever tried…well, I can’t give you your money back because it’s free, but I promise it is unequivocally the craziest thing we’ve ever tried. Period. It just is.

Nrama: And that’s a totally safe bet to make when it’s free!

Snyder: Yeah, but think about this: We’re now stuck with it for the status going forward. We’ll see how it works.

Nrama: I get that you don’t want to say, “Here’s the master plan,” but you mention two characters. Can we safely assume that one of these two characters is Bruce Wayne?

Snyder: I don’t want to say. [Laughs] I don’t want to say! I know this is a new level of coy, but I will say that the mythology will be radically reinterpreted and stretched in a different way. [2014’s] “Endgame” was designed to be my last story on Batman, but if I stayed after “Endgame,” it needed to be transformative, where everything was put aside and reinvented. It’s going to be a new cast. I can say we’re going to bring in characters you haven’t seen in Batman before. We’re also going to play a lot with a lot of the other books—characters from We Are Robin and Batgirl are in the book. You’re going to see Harper and Cullen, characters we’ve created. And there will be a really different feel to it. We actually toyed with the idea of just calling it “All-New Batman” for a while, because it is that different. I can also tell you it’s going to be all-new villains. I want to go back to the spirit we had when we were creating Court of Owls, where there’s new villains, new threats, new cast.

Nrama: I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but watch me do it anyway: Is what you’re talking about a situation of “People will either love this or hate this?”

Snyder: Oh, yeah. [Laughs] Yeah. But I’ve always been that way with this! Look, when we announced we were doing [the 2013-2014] “Zero Year,” nobody was dying for an 11-issue long origin story. I got a lot of angry mail. Same thing when we did Joker without his face, when we introduced a brother to Batman on reinterpreted James Gordon Jr. I got a lot of angry hate stuff about that, about how dark it made Jim Gordon, about how we ruined “Year One,” and so on. So I’ve never been afraid of controversy. But I really believe that the audience now is part of a changing zeitgeist. Five or six years ago, they were more about great fanboy moments and getting re-combinations of classic team-ups. And I love a lot of those stories, and there should be a place for those stories. But I think our audience now, on all the Bat-books, is receptive to creators coming in and doing their own work in a way that’s true to the core of the characters, but still visionary, singular or passionate in ways that are progressive or unconventional.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Tyrant Belial on March 11, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
. . .In the second pic he looks like a super buff edgy pikachu.

Just noticed the police lights on his back. I feel this is just going to be a bad robocop version of batman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2015, 11:22:38 PM
yeah, make it yellow and we got pikachu man
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Foobs on March 12, 2015, 12:51:13 AM
Looks like a Chappie/The Tick/Master Chief hexafusion to me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 12, 2015, 03:52:12 AM
I hope this so crazy thing he keeps talking about on that book means we get to see Bruce and Clark, sitting in a tree, kissing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on March 12, 2015, 10:33:15 AM
Right, and that new Batman is their child. Because of course male Kryptonians can procreate, carry a baby, and give birth.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 12, 2015, 10:46:47 AM
Right, and that new Batman is their child. Because of course male Kryptonians can procreate, carry a baby, and give birth.

I think you may be right on the spot there. That would be crazy enough! :D

Edit: Wondy is getting a new costume:

(http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/03/ww-cv41-1-127051.jpg)
http://comicbook.com/2015/03/12/wonder-woman-debuts-new-costume/

I kinda dig it. Full body armour is good. But those wrist blades have to go.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on March 12, 2015, 08:04:31 PM
I wonder who else will get new costumes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 12, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
Nothing will ever touch Azzarello's Wonder Woman run.

Hopefully she's more than a conventional costumed super hero.

I wonder who else will get new costumes.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/AC-Cv411-c4e2a.jpg)

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/BMSM-Cv21-R1-gallery-primary-768e0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GkHkVKq.gif?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/0ebSoWQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/uNPQAZ7.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 12, 2015, 10:50:38 PM
I wonder who else will get new costumes.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/AC-Cv411-c4e2a.jpg)


...
That is hot. And simplistic. AND MUCH BETTER than the New 52 one and the Man of Mass Murder costume.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 15, 2015, 10:38:51 PM
It's pretty much the same costume as his "original" new 52 costume before he got the armor, except his has no cape and the logo has black in it.

(http://i1.cdnds.net/11/35/250w_new_52_action_comics.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 17, 2015, 03:38:45 AM
So DC has decided not to publish a Batgirl variant cover due to the artist's request after (guess what) backlash. They mention "threats of violence and harassment" in their own statement about it.  (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-cancels-batgirl-joker-variant-at-artists-request)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2015, 03:58:46 AM
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the hashtag #changethecover drew dozens of posts on Twitter and Tumblr asking DC to not release the variant.

better not piss off the dozens.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 17, 2015, 04:11:33 AM
It's a shame, it's a really good cover. Very creepy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 17, 2015, 04:27:35 AM
Quote
Something to clarify, because DCs statement was a little unclear. @rafaalbuquerque did not get threats. People OBJECTING to the cover did. (http://comicbook.com/2015/03/17/controversial-batgirl-variant-cover-cancelled/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 17, 2015, 04:33:02 AM
The variant is such a contrast to the direction Bat Girl is going right now that I honestly have no problem with it being removed. I think it would be better suited for a story and issue that actually involves the Joker.

BTW:
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@rafaalbuquerque
Ill talk more about it tomorrow but I was never threatened. just to make it clear.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 17, 2015, 05:57:29 AM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/6063/4446098-dtc_cv41-1.jpg)

This cover pretty much confirms that the new Batman is James Gordon.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 17, 2015, 06:34:49 AM
I think it would be better suited for a story and issue that actually involves the Joker.

Yeah. While I like this cover a lot,  I think it would've been better suited for the Death in the family tie-in more then now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 11:24:58 AM
The variant is such a contrast to the direction Bat Girl is going right now that I honestly have no problem with it being removed. I think it would be better suited for a story and issue that actually involves the Joker.

Yep. This is correct.
The cover didn't fit the Bat Girl book mood and market public at all. It was for better that it was removed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2015, 11:32:10 AM
So DC has decided not to publish a Batgirl variant cover due to the artist's request after (guess what) backlash. They mention "threats of violence and harassment" in their own statement about it.  (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-cancels-batgirl-joker-variant-at-artists-request)

I would rather that cover be used on an issue that actually has the joker in it, since its pretty great, but it irks me like nothing else that all it takes are threats of violence and a call out culture to censor anything that doesnt sit well with a "dozen" few.

There were people actually arguing that DC was supporting violence against women because Joker was a "hero" to the audience.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 17, 2015, 01:16:09 PM

There were people actually arguing that DC was supporting violence against women because Joker was a "hero" to the audience.

"My Hero is the Joker, Because his random Violence and Mass murder is something I can look up to."
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAO6lplUYAA0q7Q.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAO5DjsWQAALLZn.jpg)
i'm getting sick of this shit
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
Pulling this cover was a wise move by the artist.
Batgirl current run is aimed at teen girls. That cover, even it being an alternate, could harm sales badly among the demographic of the book.
It is one of the few comics out there aimed to empower teen girls, and then you put out a cover like that, which strips the main character of all power and show complete terror on her face... on a book for teen girls?

It was poorly thought out and luckily the artist understood that after he was pointed to the issue.
If this cover was for a darker book, for another audience, like a new run of the Killing Joke, it would be perfectly fine. As an alternate cover for Batgirl #41, it was a complete train wreck.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2015, 07:10:47 PM
Variant covers are things only available for collectors on comic book shops, they are usually offered to big comic book specialty shops to offer to their buyers.
Most , if not everyone of the demographic of the book would see the normal cover.

There is something to be said about how ignoring the character background with the joker is removing Barbara ability to be a person.  She's afraid of the joker and she has a reason to be afriad of him, The only reason i think the cover wasnt good is because theres no Joker in the book. If there was the cover would have been great, its a very creepy and strong cover, and it evokes a ton of emotions for the fans of the character that have followed her through the years.
Its like having a cover with Bane breaking batman in half and then you open the book and its about transexuals dressed like batgirl and  drunken one night stands. It just doesnt fit.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gennos on March 17, 2015, 07:43:26 PM
thank god The Killing Joke was released in the 80's.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 17, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
I'll agree that it was appropriate to remove the cover due to the direction Batgirl is going now, but at the same time nobody should have been that outraged over an optional cover that half of them probably wouldn't see in stores.
i'm getting sick of this shit
(http://a.pomf.se/blywra.png)

Disregarding tags and such this was pretty low of him
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 08:04:42 PM
I would rather that cover be used on an issue that actually has the joker in it, since its pretty great, but it irks me like nothing else that all it takes are threats of violence and a call out culture to censor anything that doesnt sit well with a "dozen" few.
Again, there were no threats of violence directed to the cover artist. The people getting the threats were those who took issue with the cover.
Cameron Stewart, cowriter of Batgirl said:
Something to clarify, because DCs statement was a little unclear. @rafaalbuquerque did not get threats. People OBJECTING to the cover did. (http://comicbook.com/2015/03/17/controversial-batgirl-variant-cover-cancelled/)

and it certainly wasn't dozens, it was a large plurality of the audience the book is targeting and who is actually buying it! Moreover, the creative team for the book didn't see nor approve of the cover until it was released, and they wanted it taken down. The guy who drew it wanted it removed because he saw it caused very real hurt feelings.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAO6lplUYAA0q7Q.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAO5DjsWQAALLZn.jpg
i'm getting sick of this shit
I don't agree that Batgirl being stripped of all agency is the only problem with the cover, but none of those examples have Batman being groped and literally in tears, and Batman has never been sexually assaulted and implied to be raped by either the Joker or Harley and have that hang as a specter over every action and appearance he's made since. There is no real equivalency here.

Variant covers are things only available for collectors on comic book shops, they are usually offered to big comic book specialty shops to offer to their buyers.
Most , if not everyone of the demographic of the book would see the normal cover.
That's really only generally true for retailer incentive covers; most normal variants are mixed in with the regular stock.

There is something to be said about how ignoring the character background with the joker is removing Barbara ability to be a person.  She's afraid of the joker and she has a reason to be afriad of him
Well, that's just the thing: Batgirl isn't afraid of the Joker. It is drastically out of character for her to be in absolute terror and in tears, not only for the pre-nu52 version but also the younger, rebooted character. Batgirl wouldn't be cowering in fear of the Joker like that, even with the horrible trauma he had visited on her, and we know that because there are 20+ years of comics where Barbara Gordon has refused to be a victim, and specifically a victim of the Joker. An in-character Batgirl would look more like Renee Montoya on this cover:
(http://i.imgur.com/fDKJ83h.jpg)
followed by punching the Joker's face in like every other time they've met.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
Very exquisite and eloquent post, Mr. Jay.
You explained it all very beautifully.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 17, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
That's really only generally true for retailer incentive covers; most normal variants are mixed in with the regular stock.
Huh, I did not know that. I always assumed variants of all types were shipped the same.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gennos on March 17, 2015, 08:33:02 PM
i get the feeling that none of those people who were complaining even read comics, because if they were we wouldn't have those would we?
NSFW
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
and btw this isn't some obscure comic that i pulled out of my ass, it's one of the main books of avatar and it's advertised heavily on their website.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 08:37:31 PM
i get the feeling that none of those people who were complaining even read comics, because if they were we wouldn't have those would we?

What part of "and it certainly wasn't dozens, it was a large plurality of the audience the book is targeting and who is actually buying it" didn't you get?
People who complained about this are the ones who are buying the Batgirl book.

You know, the book TARGET audience.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 08:39:12 PM
i get the feeling that none of those people who were complaining even read comics, because if they were we wouldn't have those would we?
They are? They're the target audience for the book, they are actually buying the book. Crossed has a different audience, because comics are not a monolithic entity, different comics will appeal to different groups of people, and companies target those different groups. I know comics (at least here in the US) are a pretty small industry but they're still just like every other medium. Like the Walking Dead (the show) isn't targeting the same audience that watches Masterpiece Theater!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on March 17, 2015, 08:56:37 PM
Also, Crossed is shock exploitation entertainment which kinda goes for controversy on purpose. Also, rubbish.

This whole thing reminds me of that time Heroes for hire had a cover that made it look like a tentacle doujin rather then a superhero comic. Freaking comic covers man.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Well, Alan Moore is (somehow) doing a Crossed book right now, is that any good? I mean I know Moore is kinda hit and miss nowadays but it's still Alan freaking Moore
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on March 17, 2015, 09:01:37 PM
No clue. I only read the first Crossed book and all I got from it was some laughs for the guy who hits people with a horsecock while declaring loudly that it is in fact a horsecock. Other then that it's just bland. Moore can propably make something good of it, like he did with Supreme and such, but im really not interested either way.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2015, 09:04:42 PM
none of those examples have Batman being groped and literally in tears, and Batman has never been sexually assaulted and implied to be raped
i dont know why you bring sexual assault up when none of the tweets asked for examples of batman getting sexually assaulted (batgirl isnt getting groped either so i dont understand where that came from) or implied to have been raped. i don't know if batgirl getting raped in the killing joke was an official thing, as far as i know she never brings up how the joker raped her

What part of "and it certainly wasn't dozens, it was a large plurality of the audience the book is targeting and who is actually buying it" didn't you get?
People who complained about this are the ones who are buying the Batgirl book.

You know, the book TARGET audience.
if the activity in the changethecover hashtag is any indication most people were against changing it
https://twitter.com/hashtag/changethecover?f=realtime&src=hash
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gennos on March 17, 2015, 09:07:41 PM
Why didn't Bleeding Cool flock on Crossed the same way it did on this cover then?
i genuinely want to know.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2015, 09:09:34 PM
because phony twitter outrage wasn't as big of a thing back then
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 17, 2015, 09:10:56 PM
Well, Alan Moore is (somehow) doing a Crossed book right now, is that any good? I mean I know Moore is kinda hit and miss nowadays but it's still Alan freaking Moore
It's pretty okay. From the first few issues it seems to try and be a bit more above what the series is known for. Though the "post apocalyptic" future speak gets kinda grating to read.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 09:12:30 PM
none of those examples have Batman being groped and literally in tears, and Batman has never been sexually assaulted and implied to be raped
i dont know why you bring sexual assault up when none of the tweets asked for examples of batman getting sexually assaulted (batgirl isnt getting groped either so i dont understand where that came from) or implied to have been raped. i don't know if batgirl getting raped in the killing joke was an official thing, as far as i know she never brings up how the joker raped her

What part of "and it certainly wasn't dozens, it was a large plurality of the audience the book is targeting and who is actually buying it" didn't you get?
People who complained about this are the ones who are buying the Batgirl book.

You know, the book TARGET audience.
if the activity in the changethecover hashtag is any indication most people were against changing it
https://twitter.com/hashtag/changethecover?f=realtime&src=hash

How many of those against changing it look like the target audience of the book and actually buy it? Not too many, from what I am seeing.
I am seeing a lot of men complaining about SJW there instead.

Why didn't Bleeding Cool flock on Crossed the same way it did on this cover then?
i genuinely want to know.

Possibly because Crossed is aimed to a totally different market base.
That Batgirl cover was considered inappropriate and caused this stir because who buys Batgirl books nowadays are teen and young women.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on March 17, 2015, 09:14:05 PM
Or just because everyone already knew at that point that Crossed is full of dumb gore porn and it's just expected of the series.

Indeed, the cover reflecting the actual content of the book helps.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Or just because everyone already knew at that point that Crossed is full of dumb gore porn and it's just expected of the series.

That too, yes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 09:16:42 PM
i dont know why you bring sexual assault up when none of the tweets asked for examples of batman getting sexually assaulted (batgirl isnt getting groped either so i dont understand where that came from) or implied to have been raped.
That's why I said I don't agree that that user, because she what she was asking for wasn't comprehensive! It was a bad argument; the cover can't be reduced to one single element (Batgirl in peril, or Batgirl crying, etc) because it all works together to form the final piece. One couldn't really come up with an equivalent cover for Batman, because he doesn't have the same history as Batgirl.

I guess the closest you could get would be revisiting Bane's breaking the Bat, but even then, that lacks the sexual nature that is involved with Batgirl and the Joker. Bane didn't, after breaking Batman's back, strip him naked and photograph his broken body. Bane never implied that he went on to rape Batman after taking those photos. Batman hasn't had to carry the weight of that trauma like Batgirl.

i don't know if batgirl getting raped in the killing joke was an official thing, as far as i know she never brings up how the joker raped her
it's pretty heavily implied in Killing Joke itself, but in books coming out after that have left it vague.

Why didn't Bleeding Cool flock on Crossed the same way it did on this cover then?
i genuinely want to know.
Because people who buy Crossed are expecting one thing, and they're getting that thing. The people buying Batgirl are by and large not looking for reminders of The Killing Joke. And to be honest I don't think this cover would've gotten much traction if it came a year ago, because the Batgirl comic was in a very different place then (lot of sad and angsty Batgirl), the new creative team and direction had a very big influx of new readers, and that direction is not trying to sell the same thing as Crossed. Crossed having violent covers isn't a surprise.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2015, 10:29:55 PM
I dont trust the creative direction.
Their first big new villain and they go with "crazy transexual is crazy"
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-12/13/17/enhanced/webdr12/enhanced-8532-1418509548-1.jpg)

And yes I think it could be a strong and proper story to have joker and babs at odds.
On one side, her, on the other side you have a character that regularly murders harleys
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78486/2800614-notharley2.png)

The cover is not that offensive, i just really dislike covers that show content that isnt in the book.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 10:33:54 PM
It's drawn very well, and that's part of the problem, I think. It does it's job too well, it's so frightening and disturbing that it's provoking a very real emotional reaction; I definitely felt one, at least. It's powerful, effective art, and a testament to Albuquerque's talents.

But it's for the wrong book, at the wrong time, and for the wrong character. Variant covers shouldn't undermine the book they're for.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 17, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
I dont trust the creative direction.
Their first big new villain and they go with "crazy transexual is crazy"

Did they ever state he was a Transsexual? Unless he's err.. transsexual uh.. man (former woman), as far as I know, he was a man?

Anyway, I really don't like the new Batgirl comic, it feels really dumb to me, though being for teenage girls I can understand that I don't like it, not being either.

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And yes I think it could be a strong and proper story to have joker and babs at odds.
On one side, her, on the other side you have a character that regularly murders Harleys

That was weird to me, because it's never mentioned in any other new 52 comic that Batman has fought or seen previous Harleys (that I've read, and I pretty much read all the Batman comics) , it feel odd that Joker would kill them before committing any crimes with them.  (unless, considering The joker is like Vandal Savage now apparently, maybe they are from like 100 years ago or something? IDK.)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 10:43:45 PM
(unless, considering The joker is like Vandal Savage now apparently, maybe they are from like 100 years ago or something? IDK.)
Well, uh... have you been reading Endgame?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2015, 10:47:08 PM
It's drawn very well, and that's part of the problem, I think. It does it's job too well, it's so frightening and disturbing that it's provoking a very real emotional reaction; I definitely felt one, at least. It's powerful, effective art, and a testament to Albuquerque's talents.

But it's for the wrong book, at the wrong time, and for the wrong character. Variant covers shouldn't undermine the book they're for.

That is precisely my feeling about this cover.
While the art is great, it is not fitting for this take on Batgirl. I buy it for my 7 years old niece to read and she loves Babs for her strength and spirit.
This cover would be very distressing for her. And she could run into it at the local comic book shop.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 17, 2015, 10:48:44 PM
(unless, considering The joker is like Vandal Savage now apparently, maybe they are from like 100 years ago or something? IDK.)
Well, uh... have you been reading Endgame?

Yes.  I've read up to Batman 39, unless 40 came out?

I actually don't keep up with Comics news (or any media I care about, really), despite reading them, so I'm never up to date.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
Oh whoops, sorry, I misread! I thought you had just had the same thought (the Joker being immortal), not that you were directly referencing it. My bad!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 12:51:36 AM
How many of those against changing it look like the target audience of the book and actually buy it? Not too many, from what I am seeing.
I am seeing a lot of men complaining about SJW there instead.
i could claim the same thing about the handful of people that want the cover changed and we get nowhere
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 12:57:40 AM
How many of those against changing it look like the target audience of the book and actually buy it? Not too many, from what I am seeing.
I am seeing a lot of men complaining about SJW there instead.
i could claim the same thing about the handful of people that want the cover changed and we get nowhere

Which can lead us to conclude that Twitter rage from either side wasn't the cause that this cover was dropped.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on March 18, 2015, 01:39:57 AM
WTF? All this thing because of a cover? Jesus Christ.
Btw, i agree that this "Killing Joke reference" cover doesn't fit with the actual Batgirl series. But it's sad to see that a bunch of idiots swore and threatened the artist that made this cover, despite those who want the cover changed or not. It's a pity to see a great artist as Rafael Albuquerque in this kind of situation.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 01:45:15 AM
the threats of violence brought up in dc and rafael's statements were sent to the people that wanted the cover changed, not to the artist
Which can lead us to conclude that Twitter rage from either side wasn't the cause that this cover was dropped.
considering what i said above (dc and the artist acknowledging the people that wanted it changed and how they got threats) this makes no sense
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 01:52:22 AM
the threats of violence brought up in dc and rafael's statements were sent to the people that wanted the cover changed, not to the artist
Which can lead us to conclude that Twitter rage from either side wasn't the cause that this cover was dropped.
considering what i said above (dc and the artist acknowledging the people that wanted it changed and how they got threats) this makes no sense

People who buy the book wanted change, yes. I stated this too.
But those concerns were likely voiced through other means than twitter (email, actual letters, phone calls, etc), since you pointed that most people on twitter using that tag didn't want the cover changed.
Hence, I believe that twitter rage wasn't why they dropped it. Market feedback was the cause.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2015, 02:01:35 AM
For what it's worth, and this is just mindless speculation on my part, it sounds like the regular Batgirl creative team also played a part in getting the cover taken down (because they feel it is tonally inappropriate and they didn't know of it nor approve of it).

WTF? All this thing because of a cover? Jesus Christ.
Well, covers don't exist in a vacuum, they exist to sell the comic. They are the first thing people see when they pick up the book, and consequently set a tone; a cover should work to further the themes of its book, and this cover definitely doesn't. Covers can't and shouldn't be totally divorced from the book they're wrapped around.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 02:08:31 AM
twitter is massive and it's the easiest way to communicate with people and companies. market feedback was overwhelmingly positive if twitter is any indication. you can't gauge by emails and calls because those are private. we don't know how many of them were positive. it's obvious the amount of people that were against it was small in comparison to those that didn't really mind the alternate cover, the artist likely decided to pull out from fear of repercussions from the extremely vocal minority
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2015, 02:16:15 AM
The "extremely vocal minority" is exactly the target audience of the book. And it's a pretty big audience, because the book is selling well. As far as I could tell, until the cover got canned the response was on the whole more negative than positive, because most of the people who were paying attention to it were the people interested in that book. But it's hard to gauge things just using Twitter, and Abuquerque almost certainly wasn't trying to gauge which side had more interest anyway. He himself says that he took it down because it people were upset by it, and I think we should take him at his word.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 02:24:03 AM
Twitter doesn't represent the market audience for the book.
As a company, you have sets of people from each your products market that you tend to test how well something will be accepted by that target audience.

Considering the size of DC and that they are owned by Warner, they had likely ordered a research to access how well that would be accepted.
Because you know, money and sales are at stake.
I run a much smaller company and every new thing is tested with a control group of the intended market. I don't see a much larger company not doing it.
It would be too damn stupid and could potentially cost them a lot of money.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 02:53:38 AM
The "extremely vocal minority" is exactly the target audience of the book.
you're assuming that everybody the book is targeted to hated the cover which makes no sense
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He himself says that he took it down because it people were upset by it.
that's what i'm saying though, he took it down because some people were upset. that's a shitty precedent. i don't want a handful of people basically censoring things because they're upsetting to them

Twitter doesn't represent the market audience for the book.
twitter as a whole doesn't, but i think it's fair to say most people that care enough to tweet about the issue one way or another are part of the market audience for the book since they show some amount of interest in it.

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As a company, you have sets of people from each your products market that you tend to test how well something will be accepted by that target audience.

Considering the size of DC and that they are owned by Warner, they had likely ordered a research to access how well that would be accepted.
Because you know, money and sales are at stake.
I run a much smaller company and every new thing is tested with a control group of the intended market. I don't see a much larger company not doing it.
It would be too damn stupid and could potentially cost them a lot of money.
so does this mean they didn't do any market research? i dont understand the point you're trying to make
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 03:02:06 AM
It means that they did market research, and the cover was dropped.
They likely did market research because everyone remembers the Milo Manara's Spider Woman controversy.

Also, Twitter exploded AFTER the news that the cover was cancelled were published.
From then on it became a battle of vocal SJW and SJW haters trying to disagree with each other. Hardly worthwhile market data.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2015, 03:03:29 AM
you're assuming that everybody the book is targeted to hated the cover which makes no sense
Well, not literally everybody, but it definitely looks like it's a larger proportion of that audience that doesn't like it than the proportion that's OK with it.

that's what i'm saying though, he took it down because some people were upset. that's a shitty precedent. i don't want a handful of people basically censoring things because they're upsetting to them
The artist chose to take it down of his own accord, no one forced him to. He chose to do so because of the reactions it caused; he didn't need to make that call. He could've very easily ignored them if he wanted to, but he chose to listen to the voices of the fans of the book. That is in no way censorship.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Duos.act on March 18, 2015, 03:40:07 AM
So if I think the cover is tasteless in context with the tone/audience of the character in combination with the fact that it's completely irrelevant and inappropriate to the story does that make me an SJW?  Because that's how I feel. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 18, 2015, 03:45:04 AM
Most variant covers are completely irrelevant and inappropriate to the story.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2015, 03:51:11 AM
But most don't undermine the premise of their book, though.

however, it's tough to beat the Anita Blake variant with Wolverine when it comes to complete irrelevance!
(http://i.imgur.com/WoYQiKz.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Duos.act on March 18, 2015, 03:53:55 AM
Most variant covers are completely irrelevant and inappropriate to the story.

You got me there but I don't feel like that invalidates the rest of my opinion TBH.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 02:15:10 PM
To put a final nail in the coffin, here is an interview the artist did for a Brazilian news portal:
http://entretenimento.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2015/03/18/a-industria-de-hq-sempre-foi-machista-diz-brasileiro-de-capa-da-batgirl.htm

In the interview he states the following:
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Uma revista voltada para o público feminino adolescente não deve ter uma capa pesada como essa. Independente da questão de quem está certo ou errado, a capa que eu fiz não serve a proposta que deveria ter

On free translation to English:

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A book aimed to a female teen audience shouldn’t have a heavy cover like this. Regardless of who is right or wrong, the cover I did doesn’t fit the proposal it should have
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 18, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAS8Gx-U8AAjc38.jpg:large)

People are now making similar covers to prove it would be inapropriate with any character
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 02:25:50 PM
That one would be a fitting alternate cover for a book like Death of Superman.
The tone of the cover is pretty dark and grim. It fits darker books, not one for teen girls. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 18, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
people can now shout on twitter loud enough that in fear the artists will censor themselves, its a great time to be "MESSAGE REDACTED BY CENSORS"
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 03:14:27 PM
alternate covers that feature a character completely irrelevant to the comic aren't a new thing. 25 joker themed covers are planned for june
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-the-joker-stars-in-june-variants-for-superman-batgirl-and-more
i don't think there's a problem if you don't like it, it's just an alternate thing and you can go for the original, i think there's a problem when you actively call for its cancellation because it hurts your feelings. this is also very subjective but i don't really believe the artist who went from "my intention was never to hurt or upset anyone through my art" (i hurt feelings) to "the cover I did doesn’t fit the proposal it should have" (it didn't suit the purpose). i've seen this happen too many times by now, the real reason the artist backed out was fear of the angry mob. of course he wouldn't outright say that, he would say whatever PR appropriate answer that would calm the masses down the most.

it's not the normal type of censorship, it's the new web 3.0 censorship. it's what iced said. if you and a group of people can manage to be loud enough about something, you'll get shit cancelled or changed. you'll also make other artists fear this angry mob and censor themselves

It means that they did market research, and the cover was dropped.
They likely did market research because everyone remembers the Milo Manara's Spider Woman controversy.
you're talking about "control groups" representing your target market and mentioning previous examples like spider woman, which sounds like the kind of market research done before showing the product. if they had a control group of the "target audience" which seems to despise the alternate cover so much then it would've never seen the light of day
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Also, Twitter exploded AFTER the news that the cover was cancelled were published.
From then on it became a battle of vocal SJW and SJW haters trying to disagree with each other. Hardly worthwhile market data.
this isn't true at all, #changethecover was pretty active and against changing it before it was cancelled, and it was already a battle between sjw and people that dislike sjw. i even tweeted about it (https://twitter.com/titiln/status/577127354822184960) before it was changed
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 03:18:39 PM
The Manara's Spider Woman cover was an example of what happens when you don't run stuff through your control group.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Just No Point on March 18, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
I'd think they should have at least ran the variant as a special variant that goes primarily to Comic Stores. I understand and agree with all the reasons to why the cover didn't suit the product. But as an alternative and not the main/only cover available I agree with Titiln. Pressure to simply make it not see the light of day is way too much.

I could have seen it more so on that Spider Woman cover. Since IIRC it was the only cover you could get for that issue.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 03:27:50 PM
manara's was a variant cover.

i don't know why you bring up manara's spiderwoman as an example of market research. if they were aware of it (how sensitive some people can get regarding alternate covers especially ones featuring women) then they would've done more research and probably wouldn't even have shown the joker cover because they would have known it would be more trouble than it's worth
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 03:30:51 PM
I'd think they should have at least ran the variant as a special variant that goes primarily to Comic Stores. I understand and agree with all the reasons to why the cover didn't suit the product. But as an alternative and not the main/only cover available I agree with Titiln. Pressure to simply make it not see the light of day is way too much.

I could have seen it more so on that Spider Woman cover. Since IIRC it was the only cover you could get for that issue.

Yeah, and then my 7 years old niece is taken to a Comic store and sees that cover. Then what? Or you think that I, my parents or my niece parents don't take her to specialized Comic stores? Or that other teen girls don't do the same?
This is business and that cover would be bad business, as it would hurt sales with the target audience and could even drive it away from the product.
Dropping it out was the right thing to do, plain and simple.
It is extremely likely that the artist wasn't aware beforehand of the public of the book he was drawing for, which is why he drew something that heavy and so unfitting for the target audience.
It is a very nice piece of art, but an extremely poor choice for a product. And for DC and Marvel comics are products before art.

Edit: I bring it out as an example of market research because Marvel DIDN'T do any market research with it beforehand. And ran it. Then there was a major stir and two other Manara's covers that he was scheduled to work were cancelled.
This one was stopped before it hit the stores.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Just No Point on March 18, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
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Yeah, and then my 7 years old niece is taken to a Comic store and sees that cover. Then what? Or you think that I, my parents or my niece parents don't take her to specialized Comic stores? Or that other teen girls don't do the same?
Every place that sells comics I have ever been to has mixed all sorts of comics. To get to this comic the child will see all sorts of covers many of which will be much worse.
But that is besides the point. You can easily grab that cover and be like "Ugh, what is this? This is a dumb cover. Let's get this one instead."
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 03:48:34 PM
Yeah, and then my 7 years old niece is taken to a Comic store and sees that cover. Then what?
this is a moot point because she's not the target audience by half a decade
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 04:00:44 PM
Every place that sells comics I have ever been to has mixed all sorts of comics. To get to this comic the child will see all sorts of covers many of which will be much worse.
But that is besides the point. You can easily grab that cover and be like "Ugh, what is this? This is a dumb cover. Let's get this one instead."

Many will be much worse but none would should her greatest super heroine completely devoid of all power she has and with sheer terror stamped on her face.
That would require a lengthy explanation, even if she didn't buy the book with the cover and could very well cause loss of buyers for the book.
I could sit and explain for hours the cover and reassure her. But she often goes to the store with my parents, or her parents. They wouldn't. And wouldn't buy the book. Nor let me buy it ever again.
And what about other girls that aren't my niece?

Would you publish a comic for your webcomic that goes completely against the idea you're trying to sell to your public? That could shock them and make them drop reading it?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 18, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
a seven year old in a comic store would be exposed to crossed and a lot of other violent and scary comic covers, im not sure that it would be a good idea

I think the target audience was the fourteen to 23 age group in the case of bat girl. with batman being mainly 25 to 35

more variants
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/JUSTL-Cv41-Joker-var-9daa1.jpg)
(https://geekdraw.com/img/2015/03/joker-variants-17-geekdraw2015316.jpg)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/GOTHAC-Cv7-joker-variant-solicitation-2-a9326.jpg)
(https://geekdraw.com/img/2015/03/joker-variants-6-geekdraw2015316-750x1125.jpg)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/SM-Cv41-joker-variant-solicitation-55598.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
Yeah, and then my 7 years old niece is taken to a Comic store and sees that cover. Then what?
this is a moot point because she's not the target audience by half a decade

Young girls are the target audience of that book.
She is a young girl and the book has been a blessing to get her interested in comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
batgirl is rated t (12 and older)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 04:09:23 PM
And would you stop a young nephew or cousin from reading a Superman, Batman or Marvel book because it is rated T (12 or older)? Or playing a videogame with a T rating?
The mood of the book works pretty good for her age regardless of that T rating and she is growing a taste for comic books thanks for that.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 04:10:30 PM
what you're doing is like complaining about mortal kombat's fatalities because they're too violent for a 13 year old
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
what you're doing is like complaining about mortal kombat's fatalities because they're too violent for a 13 year old

Mortal Kombat has a Mature rating (17+). There is no comparison there because you know what you're getting into when you bought it.
That cover is NOT fitting for a T rated book. Specially one aimed at girls.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Just No Point on March 18, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
Would you publish a comic for your webcomic that goes completely against the idea you're trying to sell to your public? That could shock them and make them drop reading it?

Obviously not. But when you are dealing with super heroes (I am) stripping away their power and making them scared is just another day in their life.

If her parents are only looking at covers to determine if a book is suitable for their daughter they might want to look deeper at what they are buying to begin with.

Not to mention that if all it takes to stop buying this series is 1 cover with her crying because of a scary clown that seems a bit excessive.
If that's the case they might see a cover from an older bat girl series and get offended too I'd think. Since they are not looking past the name or the cover.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Yeah, I don't buy the whole "artists have to self-censor themselves for fear of those terrible evil internet mobs" for a second. Why can't we just take people at their word? Why construct an elaborate conspiracy theory? If this vocal minority is so small how does it seemingly determine the actions of everything in the comic book industry? Why does Rafael Abuquerque, a very successful comic book art with projects at both DC and Image, need to be in absolute terror at the hands of an "extremely vocal minority" for him to want to drop the cover? Especially when he's done a Batgirl cover already that was extremely well received? At what point do we draw the line between self-censorship and personal choice?
(http://i.imgur.com/HADlICf.jpg)
and also manages to evoke the Joker while staying true to the current creative vision (this is for Batgirl: Endgame, where she fights off an army of Jokerized zombies)

That one would be a fitting alternate cover for a book like Death of Superman.
The tone of the cover is pretty dark and grim. It fits darker books, not one for teen girls. :P
I don't think it's fitting for Superman at all! Superman wouldn't cry because of Doomsday! It's nonsensical.

also is the Death of Superman even still canon in the nu52

But that is besides the point. You can easily grab that cover and be like "Ugh, what is this? This is a dumb cover. Let's get this one instead."
I think the idea is that people know that stuff like the Walking Dead or Crossed will have graphic covers unsuitable for kids, but no one should expect that this version Batgirl might have a variant cover tucked along with the the normal one, a cover that not only completely undermines the direction the normal creative team has been pursuing but also one that undermines Batgirl as a strong, independent character.

Many comic stores also have plastic covers or something similar for really explicit stuff too so children couldn't theoretically come upon it by looking.

It's not the same kind of disturbing as stuff with graphic violence, but it is meant to be disturbing emotionally. And it is, because Albuquerque is an great artist. He evokes a powerful, awful moment in Batgirl's life, and makes us feel as helpless as Batgirl does in that image. And that's completely out of place for this character right now; I'm not sure it would be appropriate elsewhere (because it is out of character for Batgirl to be helpless and crying in that situation, even with the great trauma the Joker is forcing her to revisit), but it's definitely the wrong choice for this book right now.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/SM-Cv41-joker-variant-solicitation-55598.jpg
this is how you do a variant cover
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 05:11:34 PM
Obviously not. But when you are dealing with super heroes (I am) stripping away their power and making them scared is just another day in their life.

If her parents are only looking at covers to determine if a book is suitable for their daughter they might want to look deeper at what they are buying to begin with.

Not to mention that if all it takes to stop buying this series is 1 cover with her crying because of a scary clown that seems a bit excessive.
If that's the case they might see a cover from an older bat girl series and get offended too I'd think. Since they are not looking past the name or the cover.

Then I don't get why you believe this is a good alternate cover. It does exactly that.
It goes completely against the current Batgirl character and mood.

Putting her in danger is fine. She is a super heroine, she is meant to overcome danger. But there she is completely frozen in terror and helpless.
It would scare the hell out of young girls who follow the book.

Also, I know exactly what I am dealing with there, with my brother and his wife. I am sure they aren't the only religious nuts out there that don't want to take part on what their kids are doing, but are quick to judge whatever by it's cover.

Now, onto Mr. Jay.
Yes, that Batgirl: End game cover is awesome and the small amount of blood shown isn't detrimental to it, nor negative for the target audience.
And that Superman/Joker cover is definitely an exquisite alternate cover.
Regarding the Doomsday x Superman cover, while it is out of character for Superman, the tone would fit a darker or more mature Superman comic as an alternate cover.
I have no idea if Death of Superman is still cannon on NU52, as I don't follow the Superman book there. It is just too plain bad. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gennos on March 18, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
But when you are dealing with super heroes (I am) stripping away their power and making them scared is just another day in their life.
you're exactly the type of writer that i like.
my favorite stories are always the ones that push the hero to his limits and explore his weaknesses
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 18, 2015, 05:29:43 PM
also is the Death of Superman even still canon in the nu52

They (Grant Morrison's run) mentioned it a bit early on, but like with a lot of things mentioned early on, who the hell knows anymore.

For a long while I had no idea if Lex Luthor was just a mad Scientist or if he still owned a company or not.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Just No Point on March 18, 2015, 05:42:30 PM
*blanket response to both Bea and JMM to wind this down before we start repeating ourselves too much --
All those are great reasons but it still doesn't seem that extreme of a cover. I feel anyone that it evokes strong emotions on to the degree they feel it should be banned are being too excessive for something so meek. At this point I suppose we are just arguing from our own viewpoint/value system so I don't think it'll get anywhere.

I think that the cover is not too graphic for children. And it's hard for me to put myself into a mentality that does. It feels extreme to me.

Then I don't get why you believe this is a good alternate cover. It does exactly that.
It goes completely against the current Batgirl character and mood.
I think we had a different definition of this though. Batgirl spins off from Batman. It may go against the current mood but it's an alternative that pays homage to a darker story that is tied to the series she branched from. And (to me) it doesn't pay homage in a way that puts the current character in a different light or is too far away from the current to break it. But again, I don't think it's too much for a kid anyway. This is the disconnect we are having and I guess it's one we won't be able to actually come to an agreement on :P

But when you are dealing with super heroes (I am) stripping away their power and making them scared is just another day in their life.
you're exactly the type of writer that i like.
my favorite stories are always the ones that push the hero to his limits and explore his weaknesses
Thanks! I'm way too hard on heroes. As far back as I can remember I always cheered for the villain!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 06:01:21 PM
Right now, no, we won't come to an agreement to that.
But I believe we will once your kid reaches the same age as my niece. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Just No Point on March 18, 2015, 06:05:12 PM
I also have a 7 year old step son. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 18, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
im not sure that a seven year old should be reading a book that has references to one night stands and drunken parties without adult supervision anyway.
So any parent that allows them to read a book for a age group above the kid's  should be prepared to do a lot of parenting as they help the kid through the books .

I was like 10 or 12 when I started reading super hero comics, before that I read disney books.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
I started reading Superman comics as soon as I learned to read, when I was 7 years old.
My parents always bought me the ones they believed to be fitting for us to read, as I don't believe there were age ratings for comics back in 1987, and as we were transitioning from a military dictatorship here in Brazil to a civilian government, censorship was starting to be dropped here.

They still bought us lots of Monica's gang books too, and I loved both equally.
Since I can't have kids, I pretty much "adopted" my niece and I am trying to make a geek out of her so that the comic industry will have another customer in the future. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
Mortal Kombat has a Mature rating (17+). There is no comparison there because you know what you're getting into when you bought it.
That cover is NOT fitting for a T rated book. Specially one aimed at girls.
this is not what you were arguing. you were arguing about how the image is inappropriate for a 7 year old, even though the rating of the comic is for ages 12 and older. the mk comparison works perfectly. i'm tired of arguing with you about this, you keep moving the goalposts and it's never going to end

Yeah, I don't buy the whole "artists have to self-censor themselves for fear of those terrible evil internet mobs" for a second.
i don't know what rock you're living under that you've missed all the recent times people have to go on apology tours or pull material or get fired or suspended because they said or did something that pissed off some people on social networks. the politically correct mob is absolutely real
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
what you're doing is like complaining about mortal kombat's fatalities because they're too violent for a 13 year old

Mortal Kombat has a Mature rating (17+). There is no comparison there because you know what you're getting into when you bought it.
That cover is NOT fitting for a T rated book. Specially one aimed at girls.

Let me quote myself here, because I am tired of arguing with you too.
I don't think by any means that that cover is appropriate for a T rated comic aimed at girls.

It would be like if you buy Mortal Kombat for the gore and suddenly there is an alternate cover or mode for the game that shows rape or something as disgusting that doesn't go with what is being sold.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
i don't know what rock you're living under that you've missed all the recent times people have to go on apology tours or pull material or get fired or suspended because they said or did something that pissed off some people on social networks. the politically correct mob is absolutely real
Because it's not some new thing, and it's not inherently terrible. It's just companies and artists marketing and targeting to a specific audience and trying to deliver great art to them that appeals to them (this cover, it is safe to say, does not do that). And absolutely none of that is new, the only thing that's changed is that fans can now communicate and make their voices heard instantly. There have been incidents like this in the comics industry before, fan responses that have gotten changes made, but now companies can actually make those changes much more quickly. This is of course most visible with covers because they're released in their entirety months in advance, but it shapes the stories themselves as well. No artist has ever worked in a vacuum, and that continues to this day. I think that's a feature, not a bug; a dialogue between an artist and the public creates better art than otherwise, IMO. Like everything in life, this can be used for good and for bad, but I don't think it's sensible to dismiss it out of hand as always causing harm.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2015, 02:11:53 AM
Do you know what else was about self-imposed censorship as a result of social pressure?

(http://i.imgur.com/FJ0Ytgi.png)


(http://community.ebay.com/ebay01/attachments/ebay01/g-300001290/49121/1/ComicBookBurning-NH-13Dec1954-590x854.jpg)

Its not censorship, its just good comic book companies knowing when to self censor to give the vocal complaints their due.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 19, 2015, 02:18:24 AM
Oh come on, it's not even remotely close. Not within lightyears. The entire comics industry was literally facing down extinction, and the publishers crippled their industry to survive. This is one single artist, deciding on his own, to take down the cover. I don't think it's helpful to start trying to second guess his intentions or try and dissect his statements when there's a much, much simpler explanation: his piece caused people to be upset, and he didn't want that to happen, so he asked for it to be taken down.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2015, 02:27:41 AM
I think you are just splitting hairs at this point.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 19, 2015, 02:30:09 AM
I just feel like everyone is being too dismissive of Abuquerque! Like it's painting him as being totally incapable of asking the cover to be taken down of his own volition and instead how to be cowed into it, and I can't believe that for a second. I'm a fan of his (American Vampire is fucking great and do not get me fucking started on praising Blue Beetle, because I will not stop ever), and while I wouldn't say I'm intimately familiar with him, I feel like I have a good enough grasp to judge that this is not out of character for him.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 19, 2015, 02:36:24 AM
It seems perfectly within his character to do something like this, actually.
The interview he did to UOL felt very natural, and from what I have read from older interviews, this is totally something he would do.

But hey, I guess you and I are evil feminists who want to first take out their comic covers, then water down their comic stories, then emasculate all their heroes and villains. And finally cut off all the readers penises, Mr. Jay. We're this evil! :D
Never mind the fact that we both love comics and playing with male anatomy, eh? ;P

And if it isn't clear enough, that last part is sarcasm...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Gennos on March 19, 2015, 03:03:38 AM
the man put a lot of effort in that cover, he obviously wouldn't do something like that on his own.
most artists treat their work as their children, and only in the extreme of situations would they choose to disown it like that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 19, 2015, 03:07:17 AM
Rafael Albuquerque said:
In another comic, maybe that image made sense. Not for the current Batgirl comic. Freedom of expression also means not saying what you do not want to say, and it was exactly the right that I exercised here.
he's not disowning anything (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/18/albuquerque-was-asked-to-make-batgirl-cover-more-extreme/) :-\
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 19, 2015, 06:32:36 PM
Let me quote myself here, because I am tired of arguing with you too.
I don't think by any means that that cover is appropriate for a T rated comic aimed at girls.
thanks for reposting something i already read. you were arguing that it wasn't appropriate for a 7 year old
Yeah, and then my 7 years old niece is taken to a Comic store and sees that cover. Then what?
I buy it for my 7 years old niece to read and she loves Babs for her strength and spirit.
This cover would be very distressing for her. And she could run into it at the local comic book shop.
And would you stop a young nephew or cousin from reading a Superman, Batman or Marvel book because it is rated T (12 or older)? Or playing a videogame with a T rating?
once you realized that didn't work out, you started arguing that it's not suitable for teens. it wouldn't be the first time a comic rated for teens has put terrifying images in the cover. unless you think it should be a different case for teen women because somehow they can't handle it while teen men can.
(http://i.imgur.com/2sQCDB7.jpg) (not even an alternate cover)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2015, 06:38:48 PM
I agree it doesnt fit the tone of the book, batman actually had him facing joker inside, while batgirl is about dancing and partying and stuff like that.  If she was facing joker i think the cover would be appropriate  since you would get a payoff afterwards when she beats him up.
Without it, its just mean spirited.

I still remember being a little Iced and reading the book where he faces venom in an island and the cover was venom holding a spider mask over a skull, claiming he had killed him and the payoff was so good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 19, 2015, 09:06:05 PM
On another subject

(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/10616010_10152811588615835_7695654997266477739_n.jpg)

I prefer this design to the one we're getting but that's me. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/16/j-scott-campbell-redesigns-wonder-woman-his-way/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 19, 2015, 09:15:12 PM
I like the new design a lot (sans wrist blades), but I would definitely not mind that take on it.
It feels very classic and in line with the Wonder Woman character. I'd say it is much better than the New 52 one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 19, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
This is like the third time I've seen this and I'm just now realizing that the thing it's been reminding me of is the BvS costume, specifically because of the skirt armor that's longer in the center than it is at the sides (which I'm not a huge fan of, Wondy designs that have skirt armor that's an even length look much more balanced design-wise to me)

My favorite recent Wonder Woman design tweak was this one, from JLA Adventures: Trapped In Time (also pictured: Batman and Superman designs that are so, so much better than the nu52 ones)
(http://i.imgur.com/HmuYrBB.jpg)
though I could do without the cape.

... and the sword. That pesky sword. I've got big problems with these swords Wonder Woman's always carrying around now (or the wrist blades, which are worse). Like, I'm not completely opposed to Wondy wielding a sword every now and again, but it should be the exception, not the rule. Having a sword on her person at all times feels pretty antithetical to her as both a concept and a character: there is a reason her signature weapon is a lasso. It's part of the contradictions inherent to Wonder Woman concept: dhe's a warrior but she fights for peace who carries weapon but it's a nonlethal one, that captures and binds but doesn't otherwise harm her enemies (unless of course Wonder Woman makes it do so by slamming them into the floor with the lasso, or something), while also forcing them to their revoke their lies and which reveals the truth.

It's cool when Wonder Woman wields a sword, but it shouldn't be the norm; it should be reserved for special occasions, IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on March 20, 2015, 12:29:02 AM
Where did you find that image?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 20, 2015, 01:33:41 AM
I googled "jla trapped in time wonder woman" and used an image from the DC wiki because it had Superman and Batman in it too?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Duos.act on March 20, 2015, 01:43:57 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAS8Gx-U8AAjc38.jpg:large)

People are now making similar covers to prove it would be inapropriate with any character

I don't know I think that would make a pretty awesome cover.  Doomsday is supposed to be an engine of death that even Superman isn't able to completely overcome, and a cover like this rubs in the idea of even the man of steel being powerless and afraid before such a force.  The only problem is that Doomsday looks like he's painting his nails and Superman looks like he's wearing lipstick.  If it was Kryptonite instead of a bloody smile it would be perfect.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 24, 2015, 05:34:19 AM
I'll just leave this here, as iced was not teh only one going in a hyperbole.
http://www.reaxxion.com/6512/erik-larsen-speaks-on-online-outrage-women-in-comics-and-sexist-costume-designs
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 24, 2015, 06:37:16 AM
Ugh, that interview is him mostly backing away from his more over the top statements from his twitter outburst (which is good, because it was idiotic, through and through) but he kept most of the same basic points. As for the stuff about "oh no there's totally a slippery slope leading us to a new Comics Code", that's ridiculous. Listening to your fanbase is a good thing, it's sound business (of course, you shouldn't be afraid to challenge your base, but I think it's fair to say that cover wasn't doing that). There's a lot of comics out there with more disturbing images or controversial content than that Batgirl comic (including some of Larsen's own work), and they don't get press and attention like the cover because that stuff appeals to its own audience, and that audience expects it. Like, no one is even talking about Larsen's thing anymore because the people who disagree with him don't follow him or the things he does in great numbers (Larsen has been working on Savage Dragon for decades; his fanbase is pretty set in stone).

It should also be noted, however, that he agrees completely with the decision to take down the cover, so, yeah.

I don't know I think that would make a pretty awesome cover.  Doomsday is supposed to be an engine of death that even Superman isn't able to completely overcome, and a cover like this rubs in the idea of even the man of steel being powerless and afraid before such a force.  The only problem is that Doomsday looks like he's painting his nails and Superman looks like he's wearing lipstick.  If it was Kryptonite instead of a bloody smile it would be perfect.
Superman isn't really afraid of Doomsday, though. It looks so wrong, because it's so blatantly out of character (well that and the lipstick thing).
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on March 25, 2015, 12:19:21 AM
Maybe has been discussed already, but about the new design of WW, well...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10414396_784761191616226_4301086582854950220_n.jpg?oh=7636c62df9621715d027acbb910115f2&oe=55AB2B91&__gda__=1433737591_5a16b2f038d4bcd5b8b490b6238001da)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Retro Respecter on March 25, 2015, 04:01:13 AM
Aw man! You made Wonder Woman look hideous!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2015, 04:24:41 AM
Isn't that face from the Wonder Woman model in Injustice?

(http://i.imgur.com/MPNPYVQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bSQkpW9.jpg)
so like, there's gotta be more than one Geoff Johns, right? There's the Johns who wrote Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E., JSA, and this currennt Superman run as well as the one from a year or so before the nu52; the one who really, truly gets these characters and the DC universe, and who uses all of that to tell interesting and varied stories. And there's the other Geoff Johns, who writes terrible comics that get bogged down into pointless continuity fixes, where people's limbs keep getting ripped off and everyone is an asshole for no reason and the heroes never fight any villains because they're too busy fighting each other/alternate universe evil versions of each other/mind-controlled versions of themselves/etc.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Dalek Basara on March 25, 2015, 08:06:30 PM
Isn't that face from the Wonder Woman model in Injustice?
Nah, it's just the face of Baraka from MK9

Aw man! You made Wonder Woman look hideous!
That's what I thought about those bracelets, you know
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2015, 08:16:26 PM
Nah, it's just the face of Baraka from MK9
I was joking! :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 26, 2015, 02:22:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MPNPYVQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bSQkpW9.jpg)
so like, there's gotta be more than one Geoff Johns, right? There's the Johns who wrote Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E., JSA, and this currennt Superman run as well as the one from a year or so before the nu52; the one who really, truly gets these characters and the DC universe, and who uses all of that to tell interesting and varied stories. And there's the other Geoff Johns, who writes terrible comics that get bogged down into pointless continuity fixes, where people's limbs keep getting ripped off and everyone is an asshole for no reason and the heroes never fight any villains because they're too busy fighting each other/alternate universe evil versions of each other/mind-controlled versions of themselves/etc.

... They are writing GOOD Superman stories again?
WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? D:

I MUST READ THEM!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 26, 2015, 03:59:13 PM
Morrison's Action Comics run was pretty OK I guess, but it's really hard not to compare it to All-Star Superman; when you've written basically the best Superman story, ever (maybe/probably). Those panels are from the Geoff Johns run (issues 32-39 of Superman) that just finished, and was great. Scott Snyder and Jim Lee's Superman Unchained was decent, I guess, but IDK I liked it but I didn't love it? And I've heard good things about Greg Pak's Action Comics run but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on March 26, 2015, 07:33:20 PM
To Morrisons credit, the new action comics line was supposed to have a very different tone from the superman stuff he's worked on before and he managed to keep true to the character while also sticking to the new established tone.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 26, 2015, 07:41:40 PM
Paktion Comics is pretty solid, but it gets derailed heavily by Superman getting bitten by a Doomsday and turning into a Doomsday.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: S. Jetstream on March 27, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
*offtopic*

So DC is bringing good story arcs back, have you seen The Flash #40?
Damn it feels good to have Eobard Thawne back, aka Professor Zoom!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2015, 01:38:20 AM
To Morrisons credit, the new action comics line was supposed to have a very different tone from the superman stuff he's worked on before and he managed to keep true to the character while also sticking to the new established tone.
I know, but it's just really hard not to compare it to All-Star!!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Titiln on March 28, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rnFASzz.jpg)lol
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on March 28, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
I don't think it's very heroic to assault tied up people, no matter what kind of stupid shit they say.

Wonder woman is a character who has always been pretty damn feminist, but not like this. Ugh.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 28, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
that's it, I am done with comics, can I get banned from a topic ?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 28, 2015, 07:48:54 PM
I don't think it's very heroic to assault tied up people, no matter what kind of stupid shit they say.
That basic scene (villain says something upsetting to innocent victim, victim punches villain) is in like a thousand comics, though (I literally just saw a panel with it in a Black Panther comic, yesterday). I know there's even been a couple in Wonder Woman where the villain is all lassoed up, even!

so over in the main DC universe: Terry McGinnis just died and now Tim Drake is being sent to the future to become the new Batman Beyond.

Future's End is seriously the worst
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 04:44:01 AM
I don't think it's very heroic to assault tied up people, no matter what kind of stupid shit they say.

Wonder woman is a character who has always been pretty damn feminist, but not like this. Ugh.

You have no idea how much satisfaction I got from those panels, considering that I deal with that kind of bullshit almost daily at work, and I can't punch them, nor just fire them since they are shareholders and board directors like me.
It might not be very heroic what the girl did, but sometimes people work you way past your limit and you just let emotion steamroll past reason and punch the sucker, no matter the situation.
They are lucky that they can do that in comics. I can't do it irl.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on March 29, 2015, 04:56:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rnFASzz.jpg)lol

Mansplaining...and a woman punching out her boss while he's tied up and unable to defend himself...

If Wonder Woman, the face of feminism in comics and who loves EVERYONE EQUALLY, why would she allow that to even happen? Why would she even say that shit?

Oh right pandering to the tumblr crowd who will still never read comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 29, 2015, 05:03:04 AM
Only thing about the page that bugs me is the "mansplaining" bit but otherwise nothing to get twisty about.
so over in the main DC universe: Terry McGinnis just died and now Tim Drake is being sent to the future to become the new Batman Beyond.

Future's End is seriously the worst
did Terry lose a limb

It's not Future's End unless someone loses an arm or leg.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2015, 05:05:12 AM
He sadly kept all his limbs for his death scene.

Mansplaining...and a woman punching out her boss while he's tied up and unable to defend himself...

If Wonder Woman, the face of feminism in comics and who loves EVERYONE EQUALLY, why would she allow that to even happen? Why would she even say that shit?

Oh right pandering to the tumblr crowd who will still never read comics.
Yeah that's real rich, complaining about people who totally don't read comics; that "tumblr crowd" is the one that's is the primary target audience of Batgirl and Ms. Marvel and the like, and they are buying them (mostly through digital, and that page is from a digital-first comic even), maybe you should actually read the comic in question? That guy is a bad guy. He tried to murder people (and specifically tried to murder the friends of the pop star who punched that guy out). Superheroes beat people up. The logic isn't particularly complex here.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 29, 2015, 05:15:48 AM
Sensation Comics has had way more controversial stuff than that. It's digital only, it doesn't have any effect on the main universe, and it's not really worth more attention than any random webcomic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Roman55 on March 29, 2015, 05:16:43 AM
He sadly kept all his limbs for his death scene.
That means the next bit is gonna have double the amputations :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2015, 05:52:27 AM
Sensation Comics has had way more controversial stuff than that. It's digital only, it doesn't have any effect on the main universe, and it's not really worth more attention than any random webcomic.
Some of the stories Sensation has featured has been the best Wonder Woman stuff in years, though! (and yes, that includes the Azzerello run. I mean it!) And it's certainly worth more attention than say, the current Wonder Woman run!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 29, 2015, 06:15:52 AM
I will concede the point that there are undoubtedly stories that are better than the Finches, but nothing I've read of Sensation has really grabbed me outside of that Gilbert Hernandez story with Supergirl and Mary Marvel. If there's more like that, I'll change my opinion, but it seems like for every one of those there are ten generic webcomic stories that happen to feature a random version of Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2015, 06:35:28 AM
That Hernandez story has made the entire comic worth it; they could publish nothing but... I dunno, Frank Miller's Wonder Woman from All Star Batman and Robin from here on out and it'd still be worth it.

I mean, Mary Marvel and Wonder Woman fight each other by throwing Supergirl at each other!!! It's the best!!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 29, 2015, 06:49:53 AM
I'm fine with the guy being tied and punched and all that shit, I don't care. But wonder woman saying "mansplaining"? Criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinge.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2015, 07:27:58 AM
From Emerald City Comic Con: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/eccc-dc-comics-champions-of-justice) BANE IS COMING TO BATMAN '66. THEY TOPPED LORD DEATH MAN '66. JUST IMAGINE BANE '66. :flipout:

also possible crossover with Wonder Woman '77!?!?!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on March 29, 2015, 08:11:39 AM
He sadly kept all his limbs for his death scene.

Mansplaining...and a woman punching out her boss while he's tied up and unable to defend himself...

If Wonder Woman, the face of feminism in comics and who loves EVERYONE EQUALLY, why would she allow that to even happen? Why would she even say that shit?

Oh right pandering to the tumblr crowd who will still never read comics.
Yeah that's real rich, complaining about people who totally don't read comics; that "tumblr crowd" is the one that's is the primary target audience of Batgirl and Ms. Marvel and the like, and they are buying them (mostly through digital, and that page is from a digital-first comic even), maybe you should actually read the comic in question? That guy is a bad guy. He tried to murder people (and specifically tried to murder the friends of the pop star who punched that guy out). Superheroes beat people up. The logic isn't particularly complex here.

Don't get snippy with me JMorph, I just find the line Wonder Woman said to be completely idiotic as well as letting someone punch a defenseless man(regardless of what he did). I'll allow everything else but I won't let those go.

And I find this funny how this is ONLY directed at me when Titlin brought it up and 2 others complained about it too but you single me out...hilarious...
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2015, 08:15:53 AM
There's at least an argument to be made with the line Wondy says; not so much with the punching. The only other person who talked about the punching was Lolmechy, and I responded to him too. But even he didn't have a rant about people not reading comics and then going on to complain about something that would be explained if one actually read the comic!

That exact scenario has appeared in literally thousands of comics (and specifically, it's appeared in Wonder Woman comics where the person getting hit is wrapped in the lasso), and heck, you can do it yourself in the Arkham games (in several different ways, even; most common would be the old freeze grenade takedown)!!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 08:58:23 AM
From Emerald City Comic Con: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/eccc-dc-comics-champions-of-justice) BANE IS COMING TO BATMAN '66. THEY TOPPED LORD DEATH MAN '66. JUST IMAGINE BANE '66. :flipout:

also possible crossover with Wonder Woman '77!?!?!

OH GODS!
THIS WILL BE EPIC!!! :D

And... why would Wonder Woman prevent someone to punch someone else?
She is all about violence. This isn't 77 Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: -Whiplash- on March 29, 2015, 09:43:23 AM
From Emerald City Comic Con: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/eccc-dc-comics-champions-of-justice) BANE IS COMING TO BATMAN '66. THEY TOPPED LORD DEATH MAN '66. JUST IMAGINE BANE '66. :flipout:

also possible crossover with Wonder Woman '77!?!?!

Reminds me of this epic fan art I saw a while ago:

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/318/1/4/iam8bit___batman_2_by_m7781-d86djal.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 09:48:30 AM
Imagine how silly and fun their fight will be! :D
Oh, the bat-possibilities for bat-cliffhangers. The amount of bat-gadgets they will be able to come up with.
I can't wait for this to happen, at this same bat-book, at the same bat-time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2015, 09:53:33 AM
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/318/1/4/iam8bit___batman_2_by_m7781-d86djal.jpg
YES
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Mechy on March 29, 2015, 01:35:46 PM
I don't think it's very heroic to assault tied up people, no matter what kind of stupid shit they say.

Wonder woman is a character who has always been pretty damn feminist, but not like this. Ugh.

You have no idea how much satisfaction I got from those panels, considering that I deal with that kind of bullshit almost daily at work, and I can't punch them, nor just fire them since they are shareholders and board directors like me.
It might not be very heroic what the girl did, but sometimes people work you way past your limit and you just let emotion steamroll past reason and punch the sucker, no matter the situation.
They are lucky that they can do that in comics. I can't do it irl.
Fair enough. It just come off as kinda overly indulgent, but that's not very rare of comics, so whatever.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 02:18:40 PM
I don't think it's very heroic to assault tied up people, no matter what kind of stupid shit they say.

Wonder woman is a character who has always been pretty damn feminist, but not like this. Ugh.

You have no idea how much satisfaction I got from those panels, considering that I deal with that kind of bullshit almost daily at work, and I can't punch them, nor just fire them since they are shareholders and board directors like me.
It might not be very heroic what the girl did, but sometimes people work you way past your limit and you just let emotion steamroll past reason and punch the sucker, no matter the situation.
They are lucky that they can do that in comics. I can't do it irl.
Fair enough. It just come off as kinda overly indulgent, but that's not very rare of comics, so whatever.

Just let the record state that if it was a girl tied, she was the bad one, and she was spilling as much bullshit as that guy was, it would be 110% fine for a male character to take the same course of action.

Heck, if the Batgirl cover was her tied and being punched by the Joker, it would be pretty fine too, because punching and getting punched is a very super hero stuff to do.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on March 29, 2015, 02:36:19 PM
Just let the record state that if it was a girl tied, she was the bad one, and she was spilling as much bullshit as that guy was, it would be 110% fine for a male character to take the same course of action.
And yet the Internet would explode, but no one would dare do that anyway.
But then again, I don't know if a lot of writers are able to create a villain woman credible enough to be a real threat AND not get yelled at for making such an evil woman anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
Just let the record state that if it was a girl tied, she was the bad one, and she was spilling as much bullshit as that guy was, it would be 110% fine for a male character to take the same course of action.
And yet the Internet would explode, but no one would dare do that anyway.
But then again, I don't know if a lot of writers are able to create a villain woman credible enough to be a real threat AND not get yelled at for making such an evil woman anyway.

You mean... like Grandma Goodness?
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Byakko on March 29, 2015, 02:58:41 PM
No, she's old, she doesn't count. Do characters like Amanda Waller get tied up and punched ? It's also probably easier to do that on well established characters, I assume it happens often to bad guys like the Joker.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 03:18:51 PM
She is old, but I can't think of a female villain that is more of a threat than Grandma Goodness. Amanda Waller can take a punch or one hundred. The problem is that once she is out of her bounds, you will have a world of hurt coming your way. Punching her would be a pretty bad idea.

And we do need more female villains, because this makes the whole comic universe more believable and human. Evil comes in all forms.
Write her well enough and only idiots will oppose it, as their argument against it would pretty much consist of "women can do no evil", which is extremely weak and would cause them to be laughing stock.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
wonderwomanis the last person that should be using terms like mansplaining, it flies against what she represents to have her go "oh my lasso cant prevent the MANSPLAINING- ROLLS EYES at the silly men-" and its so obviously a transparent use of a strawman that is patronizing.

Its the Titania surrendering pages all over again, transparent strawman because feminism.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 03:43:50 PM
She would also be the last person to hold on a teddy bear for comfort yet writers did it anyway.
This page was still extremely satisfying to read for me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2015, 03:49:55 PM
One is humour the other is shitty sex politics activism, one is even extreme opposites humour. Which is why Martian Manhunter loves oreos even though he is stoic all the time, but isnt going around being racist at people.
if transparent pandering works for you, all the more power for you, its still an horrible use of strawmen.

Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 03:55:54 PM
I fail to see how making her rely on a teddy bear for comfort and strength is humour.
What happened here is just a girl doing what many of us wished we could just do, because of the shit we deal with almost daily.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2015, 04:04:25 PM
I fail to see how making her rely on a teddy bear for comfort and strength is humour.
What happened here is just a girl doing what many of us wished we could just do, because of the shit we deal with almost daily.

Shes a titanic pile of muscles that can defeat most of the threats in the universe, she using a teddy seems like a joke about exactly the fact that she very obviously doesnt need anything.

Shes the kind of woman that would be eating big bites of a cheese wheel while putting together a pile of hams to fool people into thinking there was a woman around.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d2/81/d5/d281d51153457e79186792e50a7f93fe.jpg)


She is not the kind that would imply there is something wrong with men having a voice and use a term that discounts men experiences completely that is on par with sarcastically saying "not all men" . I would explain further but then i could be accused of mansplaining and I dont want to be attacked as a mysoginist for daring to explain why something feels bad to me to a woman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 04:08:21 PM
Not that there are many women around here that would do that, but if you really don't want to post it here, you have my skype.
I can explain in vivid detail why this scene was so satisfying for me there as wel.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2015, 04:26:10 PM
you are a woman, wonderwoman is saying i cant explain things to you or expose my opinion.  Because  I am a man.
I cant agree with that, its retarded.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 04:33:36 PM
She is saying that the lasso compels one to speak the truth, and that it can't stop someone to talk bullshit.
I don't know where you drew that conclusion from.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Thagr8test on March 29, 2015, 04:58:02 PM
I don't see the issue I've never read the whole comic and don't intend to but that one panel shows it all the guy was a douche and a  "regular" woman punched him, he'll live unless of course in the next page they just start full blown kicking his ass therefore I retract what I just said but I doubt that happened so its not that big of a deal batman has " let " bad guys dies before so her letting some guy get a punch for being an ass doesn't seem to ridiculous to me
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2015, 07:00:25 PM
She is saying that the lasso compels one to speak the truth, and that it can't stop someone to talk bullshit.
I don't know where you drew that conclusion from.

Mansplaining means something specific. If she had said "he believes in that bullshit" I wouldnt think it was beyond her, shes saying that he is a man explaining stuff to women and men shouldnt.
If she was facing a racist who when lassoed kept going about his racist beliefs the correct reaction would be "hes a racist" not "hes whitesplaining"

Mansplaining is a bullshit sjw term used to silence dissent. If a man tries to explain something you were complaining about hes mansplaining and should shut up and check himself before he gets jumped on.

Wonderwoman wouldnt act like that, and its on par with the "male tears" thing feminists were trying to push to silence anyone against them. You cant fight hate with being more hateful than others.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Xhominid on March 29, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
There's at least an argument to be made with the line Wondy says; not so much with the punching. The only other person who talked about the punching was Lolmechy, and I responded to him too. But even he didn't have a rant about people not reading comics and then going on to complain about something that would be explained if one actually read the comic!
And I'll take that to the face.

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That exact scenario has appeared in literally thousands of comics (and specifically, it's appeared in Wonder Woman comics where the person getting hit is wrapped in the lasso), and heck, you can do it yourself in the Arkham games (in several different ways, even; most common would be the old freeze grenade takedown)!!!
But not that. There's a difference between a video game and comics that has a Feminist Icon as the star. Batman is virtually ruthless and even HE doesn't just beat the hell out of someone whose restrained...lest The Joker did something truly foul that day...

Wonder Woman on the other hand...why? How many people have broken out of the Lasso of Truth? How many people deserved to keep getting their asses kicked while binded? Beating up defenseless people is NOT uplifting, it's borderline sadistic even to the worst of people. There's a reason you don't shoot unarmed people, there's a reason The Geneva Convention exists to begin with especially for what happened to prisoners in WW2 and it fits the same principle here.

I don't care if he even ate babies, I find it pretty close to sickening when that happens, ESPECIALLY when they try and make it a "good" moment, as it just makes it that much more...inhumane so to speak.
Title: Re: DC Comics Universe (maybe discussion?)
Post by: Bea on March 29, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
She is saying that the lasso compels one to speak the truth, and that it can't stop someone to talk bullshit.
I don't know where you drew that conclusion from.

Mansplaining means something specific. If she had said "he believes in that bullshit" I wouldnt think it was beyond her, shes saying that he is a man explaining stuff to women and men shouldnt.
If she was facing a racist who when lassoed kept going about his racist beliefs the correct reaction would be "hes a racist" not "hes whitesplaining"

Mansplaining is a bullshit sjw term used to silence dissent. If a man tries to explain something you were complaining about hes mansplaining and should shut up and check himself before he gets jumped on.

Wonderwoman wouldnt act like that, and its on par with the "male tears" thing feminists were trying to push to silence anyone against them. You cant fight hate with being more hateful than others.

Have you read the bullshit that man was spilling on those panels? The kind of bullshit the other old, white board directors on my company spill to me.
Mansplaining fits that shit well and seeing that guy getting punched felt so, so good.

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