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Art & Entertainment => Gaming => Topic started by: Kirishima on February 27, 2019, 03:08:36 PM

Title: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on February 27, 2019, 03:08:36 PM


~New region is the Galar Region and is based off Great Britain and London.
~Starters include Grass Monkey Grookey, Fire Bunny Scorbunny, and Water Lizard Sobble.


Release date: Late 2019
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2019, 03:54:10 PM
~New region is Galar Region and based off London.
Release date: November 5th 1605

Fixed  :pleased:
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on February 27, 2019, 04:04:42 PM
Usually I’m grass gang but waters looking good
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: vyn on February 27, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
only waited like 100 years to get a mainstream pokemon game instead of a mobile low end thingy
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on February 27, 2019, 05:12:56 PM
So, Fire Buneary, Blue Scraggy, and Pansage Libre are the new starters?

Scorbunny looks the best out of the three so far.  Loving the architectural design in the world, too.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on February 28, 2019, 01:34:57 AM
Scorbunny clearly has the most personality coming from him for this trailer and got the most defining details going for him what with the little Rocky nosepatch.  But we know how Sun and Moon turned out with Litten starting strong then crashing burning throughout the fanbase once they got to Incineroar, so hoping this fire starter doesn't also completely 180 its starter's theme.  Sobble being a tadpole chameleon frog hybrid is neat conceptually, but not very neat looking in design here.  Poor Grooky is just boring all around, hope their later forms turn that around.

Galar looks real cool, guessing we're starting from the south going north.  Wonder if it being U.K.-based we'll be heading west for some time in Poke-Wales or even sailing further on to Poke-Ireland?  Would be interesting as some alternative Battle Frontier post-game.

Also, those poor kids, they swapped out the basic bags for straight-up luggage to lug around now.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on February 28, 2019, 01:39:00 AM
Scorbunny's evolved form (https://i.redd.it/dkecbe7ug4j21.png) is gonna be legit.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on February 28, 2019, 01:56:48 AM
I don't get it.  But you have made me realize Scorbunny is candy corn colored, this Pokémon's going to be popular around Halloween this year.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on June 05, 2019, 02:48:12 PM


New info on Sword / Shield in a few minutes.

~New Sheep Pokemon, Wooloo.  New flower Pokemon, Gossiifleur that can evolve into Eldegoss.  New armored shell Pokemon Drednaw.  New dark bird that can also be a ride Pokemon via flight, Corviknight.

~Dynamax is a new feature that can give any Pokemon (ANY) massive size.  Can also be caught alongside other trainers similar to raids in Go.  Like Megas and Z-Crystals, this can be used once.  This is Max Raid Battle and can have up to four players.  Weather has an influence on what Pokemon appears.

~The Dynamax mechanic can only last three turns.  The moveset will change into exclusive Dynamax moves depending on their types.

~Galar's Champion is named Leon.  His younger brother and the Protag's rival, Hop.  New Professor is named Magnolia and her granddaughter is Sonia.

~Gyms return and each Gym Leader has access to a Dynamax mon.  Milo is one of these Gym Leaders and has a Giga Eldegoss.

~New Legedaries are named Zacian and Zamazenta.

~Release date November 15, 2019.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 05, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
Dynamax is so boring...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 05, 2019, 04:41:28 PM
Corviknight and Zacian’s designs, open world exploration, battles against giant enemies...

Welcome to Dark Souls.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on June 05, 2019, 09:25:32 PM
Zacian & Zamazenta are not bad design for legendaries.
But they're not that great either.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 06, 2019, 01:02:04 AM
Hey, dogs with swords are always rad.  See:  Koromaru, Sif.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: drewski90 on June 06, 2019, 01:25:17 AM
that direct looks cool, the giant battles remind me of kaiju, these two legendaries are cool, etc.

can you guys believe that this is coming out on my birthday?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 06, 2019, 02:45:52 AM
Heh.  I guess if Dark Souls couldn't make it into Smash, they opted to make it into Pokémon.  Alrighty then.

I'd presume the Dynamax transformation will require its own held item like Megas and Z-Moves, because while the form might block out Z-moves with its own unique moveset imposed upon it, currently there's nothing saying you can't pull out a Dynamaxed Mega Rayquaza.  And I'm inclined to believe that's a tad bit ridiculous.

I hope this Wooloo sheep evolves into something still remaining a sheep.  I love Ampharos, but turning a statically charged wooly sheep into a sheered....lighthouse sheep?  It is weird in hindsight.

Legendaries aren't doing it for me right away, disregarding how one of them is just straight-up Sif, to the point Bandai Namco is memeing about it online.  I liked last gen's better but lets give them some time, see what they do.  Gen 7, at least original Sun and Moon, did a better job implementing their legendaries into the story than most other gens, so hope they can keep on par or even one-up Alola.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 06, 2019, 03:41:19 AM
Dynamax is so boring...

This guy knows whats up.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 06, 2019, 04:03:33 AM
Bah, says you guys.  I'm here to go full Rita Repulsa and demand the game makes my monsters grow.

Kinda odd that Raichu and Gyarados grow to equal heights though, now that I think of it.  Does that mean you can get a Roselia to match a Wailord in size?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 06, 2019, 05:28:03 AM
I see giant Pokemon.

Now that means I can have a giant Pikachu!

I must have a giant Pikachu!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 06, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
I see giant Pokemon.

Now that means I can have a giant Pikachu!

I must have a giant Pikachu!
All dynamax Pokémon shown in the trailer are fully evolved, so I'm pretty sure Pikachu won't have access to that mechanic.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: ShiroTori on June 06, 2019, 06:26:41 AM
I see giant Pokemon.

Now that means I can have a giant Pikachu!

I must have a giant Pikachu!
All dynamax Pokémon shown in the trailer are fully evolved, so I'm pretty sure Pikachu won't have access to that mechanic.

Sobble and Grookey are both seen doing it too though.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 06, 2019, 06:40:57 AM
I see giant Pokemon.

Now that means I can have a giant Pikachu!

I must have a giant Pikachu!
All dynamax Pokémon shown in the trailer are fully evolved, so I'm pretty sure Pikachu won't have access to that mechanic.

Sobble and Grookey are both seen doing it too though.
Are they? Well, then, I wonder why would they choose to show Raichu doing it instead of Pikachu.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 06, 2019, 01:53:52 PM
Because Raichu's obviously stronger than Pikachu. I'm totally sold on Zacian and Zamazenta. I know for sure Zacian will have access to moves like Leaf Blade, Psycho Cut and Sacred Sword and may have a high Attack stat. I'm not sure about Zamazenta's potential at the moment but since that wolf's armor appears to resemble a shield, it may have a high Defense and Sp. Def stat. Now I gotta wait till late October/early November now for the datamine.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 06, 2019, 02:40:43 PM
I'm sure a lot more people will go for Sword, but I'm digging Zamazenta. It's like if Reinhardt turned into a big dog.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 06, 2019, 03:20:26 PM
On the topic on legendaries, I am actually having a very difficult time deciding between the two, because both are equally appealing and awesome.

It may have to come down to other aspects between the two versions, like version exclusives and the like.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2019, 01:55:39 AM
So apparently, GF made a statement about Pokemon Home, saying that ONLY Pokemon that appears in the Galar Dex can be transferred from other games to Sword and Shield. As far as this goes, this had upset a lot of fans across the world, making them feel like they've pulled a Gen 3 where you can't use some of your favorites. The way I see it: Pokemon Home is a new app so they have to do some testing with the games first so I feel that restriction is only because it's going under a testing phase. If it passes, which is very likely I hope, then they'll work on adding everyone else.

We also got these 2 new mons:
(https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/yamper.jpg)
Yamper. An Electric puppy-like Pokemon with the new ability Ball Fetch, which lets it retrieve the first thrown Pokeball that failed if it's not holding an item.

(https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/impidimp2.jpg)
Impidimp. Our first Dark/Fairy Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 12, 2019, 04:33:55 AM
I'm sure that the only reason they're restricting the Pokémon to this game's dex is to promote the new Pokémon species. Lots of people commented on this issue saying that the same thing happened in Sun/Moon, you couldn't access Pokémon outside of the game's Pokédex, but they allowed it afterwards anyway. I mean, lets be real, saying that they couldn't do it because they didn't want us to wait too long is pure bullshit when all models and animations for old Pokémon are reused, and have been reused ever since X/Y, do they think we're stupid? They had better update this shit later on.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 12, 2019, 05:22:22 AM
I'm going to be frank here, and I know I'm going to get flak for this but... As much as I'm disappointed that not every Pokemon will be transferable to Gen 8, I feel like it's for the better in the long run.

As someone who has had some experience with the competitive side of Pokemon, you have how many Pokemon from previous Gens that dominate the metagame? Look at every VGC since gen 5 and you'll see staples like Landorus and Garchomp are the most consistently used, among others. This isn't just exclusive to VGC either, even unofficial formats like Smogon's Singles OU is plagued by this: every gen since 3-4 is more or less dominated by past gen legendaries and/or psuedolegends, and barely any ordinary Pokemon from the later gens (sans Toxapex and, in Gen 6's case, Talonflame) actually stand out. By axing some of the previous Pokemon, you not only give these newcomers a chance to shine, but also curb the out-of-control power creep that's been plaguing the games since at least gen 5; considering we are now at the point where we now have 850+ Pokemon (not including alternate forms and Megas), such a power creep is only going to get worse without trimming some of the fat.

On top of the balance reasons for axing the Pokemon, it also gives an incentive to continue playing the older games. With the ability to basically transfer every single Pokemon over from a previous generation, the metagame effectively becomes a 2.0 version of the previous gen's metagame. You can also see this to a lesser extent with ORAS and USUM with the new UBs/Megas that aren't transferrable to the previous games, and Nintendo/Gamefreak tried to capitalize on this in both gen 6 and 7 by effectively creating two Battle Spot ladders: One for XY/SM and one for ORAS/USUM for each gen, respectively. How many of you can honestly say that you continue to play a previous generation competitively when you can just transfer those Pokemon to the latest generation and use them there? In the very likely event a Diamond & Pearl remake is released in the next year or two, I'd imagine that the same rules would apply, thus you would have certain Pokemon that exist in Sword & Shield that cannot be transferred to the Sinnoh remakes, effectively giving the Sinnoh remakes a distinct, separate metagame that isn't just Sword & Shield 2.0, which is the problem you see with XY/ORAS and SM/USUM.

By doing this, Gamefreak is effectively making Pokemon more akin to something like Street Fighter: you have characters exclusive to previous games that dont show up in the later games, thus giving you an incentive to play both.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 12, 2019, 05:48:08 AM
....Or you could, you know, buff the lower tiers and nerf the higher tiers.  Instead of directly cutting content.  Like they did for some lower tier pokemon going from gen 6 to 7 getting massive stat buffs.

Removing the ability to continue to transfer pokemon harshly cuts my interest in the new gen.  I already have my favorites, and I intend to keep using them.  But I'm frankly done with using my 3DS.  Point of the Switch being portable was to replace it.  Nonsense like this is directly responsible for my initial disinterest in the series that made getting into gen 3 a right pain and give up on gen 4 and beyond until the gen 3 remakes way later on.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on June 12, 2019, 07:28:02 AM
even with buffs and nerfs, the fact theres 800+ means thats a LOT of buffing and nerfing to even the playing field, something masuda and the devs voiced concerns about in keeping with deadlines. theres just too many of them now, its pretty impossible to really make sure every pokemon gets a niche and is usable. some of the concepts, typing designs and movelists just severely limit many pokemon in comparison to the competitively viable ones. even if they were to super buff everything that was bad, only a couple would rise up to the top regardless.

as a collection thing, i expect theyre going to be working on a platform where they can centralizing transferring everything to. and probably making a standalone battling game or something so u can actually use them. but who knows.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on June 12, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
That was a BIG mistake for GF! Even youtubers are trash talking about their bad decision.
If some of my favourites lines especially Ralts are not in this game, I'm gonna cancel my pre-order!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 12, 2019, 12:49:23 PM
You cannot make a game about collecting stuff that has always included all of the "items" (in this case, the Pokémon) in every game, and then suddenly bring an installment where some of the collectibles are not to be found. This isn't a fighting game where you can bring new characters and remove old ones, this is Pokémon, which has a very unique position when it comes to games, because, lets be real, nothing is really like Pokémon. Also, Pokémon's buffs and nerfs were, in many situations, indirect ones, how is removing a large portion of the Pokémon a good thing, when some Pokémon could finally get the chance to work better if the meta finally favored them?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 12, 2019, 01:47:15 PM
If some of my favourites lines especially Ralts are not in this game, I'm gonna cancel my pre-order!

https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/galarpokedex.shtml

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 12, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
Let's be real here, Gamefreak can't balance. You can't design things like Aegislash and Mega Salamence and bring up battle balance. The prime reason is that there's nearly a thousand of these fuckers for them not just to render, but to also dynamax them too. The games after Sword and Shield are likely gonna allow us to have all of the Poke'mon but for now we get what they can bring us in time for the deadline.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 12, 2019, 05:14:07 PM
Actually it was confirmed(?) in a statement that this fixed Pokédex thing was how Pokémon games were going to be from here on out.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D80366mUIAARtWC.jpg:orig)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 12, 2019, 08:08:54 PM
Let's be real here, Gamefreak can't balance. You can't design things like Aegislash and Mega Salamence and bring up battle balance. The prime reason is that there's nearly a thousand of these fuckers for them not just to render, but to also dynamax them too. The games after Sword and Shield are likely gonna allow us to have all of the Poke'mon but for now we get what they can bring us in time for the deadline.
Mega Salamence can't take a bit of snow on his nose and you say he is unbalanced? You must be joking.

Actually it was confirmed(?) in a statement that this fixed Pokédex thing was how Pokémon games were going to be from here on out.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D80366mUIAARtWC.jpg:orig)
I honestly doubt thats what he said, and a random wall of japanese text tells me nothing.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on June 12, 2019, 08:17:57 PM
...I've seen so many dislikes in the Pokémon Sword&Shield E3 gameplay. It's gonna flop that's for sure!
GF should really delay this game to fix this huge issue!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 12, 2019, 08:36:52 PM
...I've seen so many dislikes in the Pokémon Sword&Shield E3 gameplay. It's gonna flop that's for sure!
GF should really delay this game to fix this huge issue!
They can just update it afterwards. Like I said, lots of people are saying that the same thing happened to Pokémon Sun/Moon, I doubt they're gonna let this stand.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 12, 2019, 09:25:23 PM
Mega Salamence can't take a bit of snow on his nose and you say he is unbalanced? You must be joking.

As someone who has actively played competitive Pokemon Singles both before and after Mega Salamence was introduced, reading this statement makes me physically sick. I'm not even joking. What's next? Saying Mega Kangaskhan isn't broken because Slurpuff supposedly counters it? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GQo1oSccNI)

Doubles and VGC, however, is a different story.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on June 12, 2019, 09:27:41 PM
Whenever people speak of Mega Salamence, they better hope its not singles. Doubles and they can be taken care of, cause then you can focus your power on it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 12, 2019, 09:47:41 PM
Mega Salamence can't take a bit of snow on his nose and you say he is unbalanced? You must be joking.

As someone who has actively played competitive Pokemon Singles both before and after Mega Salamence was introduced, reading this statement makes me physically sick. I'm not even joking. What's next? Saying Mega Kangaskhan isn't broken because Slurpuff supposedly counters it? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GQo1oSccNI)

Doubles and VGC, however, is a different story.
Mega Kangaskhan doesn't die easily to one type.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 12, 2019, 09:52:06 PM
It's very likely that any Pokémon with an Ice-type move is outsped by Mega Salamance, which in turn means it's probably already dead before it gets a chance to use it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on June 12, 2019, 09:57:45 PM
Just use an ice type move bro cmon bro he’s balanced I swear bro
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 12, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
The ammount of knowledge shown by you is already limited when you think you actually need an ice type to use an ice type move. Thanks for proving me right. Now, if we can get back to the actual topic, was there any hint or comment about the evil team present in this game? I have yet to see any hint at that.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 12, 2019, 11:46:56 PM
I never once said you needed an Ice-type; I specifically only said Ice-type move. Greninja is probably the most likely user of Ice Beam that can outspeed Mega Salamence.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 13, 2019, 12:49:43 AM
My take on the issue of Pokemon being left out for the game? I'm willing to bet that, with the list of Pokemon becoming so large by now, that they probably don't have enough time nor resources to animate all 800+ Pokemon and develop the game at the same time to a reasonable degree. And, to be honest, I am surprised that they're waiting this long to trim the fat because I do think that the list is getting real big. I know people are going to be upset at this decision, but I want to know how many people are going to miss those dime a dozen fillers whose only role is to provide an endless supply of Pokemon to beat up for exp. and to fill up the belts of the grunts of whatever evil gang we need to stop this time.

Besides, I'm thinking that all the Pokemon will be in by the time the third game and whatever remakes are released.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 13, 2019, 01:32:33 AM
I'm willing to bet that, with the list of Pokemon becoming so large by now, that they probably don't have enough time nor resources to animate all 800+ Pokemon
All old Pokémon are using the same model and animations, in fact, they've been doing so ever since X/Y, so you lost your bet, that couldn't be the issue.

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 13, 2019, 01:35:19 AM

Mega Salamence can't take a bit of snow on his nose and you say he is unbalanced? You must be joking.
Ho-Oh can't take rocks especially of the stealth variety and that thing is still hella not ok. Deoxys in most forms literally can't take anything and is still not even remotely ok. Trust us, Mega Salamence was not even remotely balanced in a non-vgc environment.

But yeah, I'm not freaking out because it's a matter of when rather than if. They're going to use "Poke'mon Gun Version now with a national poke'dex! You can journey with all of your favorite poke'mon now!" as a big selling point for a later product. Which is why I'm waiting for that later product than purchasing this upcoming one for the time being.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 13, 2019, 02:04:37 AM
Mega Kangaskhan doesn't die easily to one type.

No but everything else dies easily to 2 Seismic Tosses/Crunches/Returns coming from something that is both reasonably bulky AND has a decent speed tier. Honestly, the brokenness of Mega Kangaskhan needs no introduction, even with the nerfs it got in Gen 7 (actually, if anything, the nerf inadvertently made it even more broken because now it can actually afford to run defensive investment and just spam Seismic Toss all day).

And please don't get me started on Mega Rayquaza.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 13, 2019, 02:19:15 AM
Oh don't worry Mega Rayquaza is no longer going to be a factor until Poke'mon Gun Version.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 13, 2019, 02:45:39 AM
I'm willing to bet that, with the list of Pokemon becoming so large by now, that they probably don't have enough time nor resources to animate all 800+ Pokemon
All old Pokémon are using the same model and animations, in fact, they've been doing so ever since X/Y, so you lost your bet, that couldn't be the issue.
How would you know that the models are the same? For all we know, they could have been using upgraded models that looks like the old ones but are technically better under the hood.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 02:57:23 AM
...So the same model, then.  The whole deal with the saturated colored models they started with in X and Y was they were future-proofed, made for much bigger hardware down the line like we're at now, and they would downscale the quality for the 3DS games as needed.  Of what's been seen so far of the Pokémon that do manage to return from previous gens in here, they're clearly just that, the same models.

Gotta say, the more I look into this nonsense the more I'm looking to withdraw my pre-order and turn that money over to Doom 5.  Don't play Pokémon for the graphic quality ever since they left 2D and Ken's artwork for the series has progressively changed over the years, I'm interesting in the monsters themselves, messing around with what's new then seeing how far I can get with favorites that I just personally prefer.  Shiny hunting some of them if they look nice, regardless of their competitive usage.  And they intend to make this a standardized rule going forward?  Might as well gone cold turkey like with the jump to GBA instead of now hoping your favorites were lucky enough.  People seemed to like that well-enough with Black and White.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 13, 2019, 03:13:51 AM
Look, I'm just merely offering a suggestion on why the next Pokemon games have a shortened roster than before. I could be completely wrong, or I could be completely right. We won't know that until much later, if we ever get that reason. So we are all speculating at this point in time.

Right now, I'm in the wait and see mode for this new information about the limited list of Pokemon. It could either be a disaster like people here and everywhere else has discribed, or it could be a huge nothing burger and we all had gotten worked up for nothing. I refuse to be a part of this potentially-unjustified group panic attack, so I'm not going to comment on this particular subject until more information has been given.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2019, 03:21:42 AM
I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here and say that I actually totally approve of the decision to not waste who knows how many hundreds of man hours and development resources just to once again port the exact same things they've been doing for the last 25 years just because "gotta catch 'em all" has been drilled into the collective unconscious as a requirement and not a suggestion.

If they're going to make the jump from handheld to full console, I'd actually much rather see development time get put into evolving the core gameplay and design in new ways.  If the price for that is that I won't be able to play with the ice cream cone or the pile of scrap metal or the literal bag of garbage pokemon, I guess I'll just have to find some way to soldier on.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 13, 2019, 03:41:36 AM
I'd actually much rather see development time get put into evolving the core gameplay and design in new ways.
When we will see that, then? I see nothing that spectacularly different, the models and animations, like I said, are the same, the new "mechanic" is literally existing Pokémon becoming bigger, and even the character models are similar to those before. What exactly was so different that they needed to cut what people actually want? So far, they have shown NOTHING truly new and we lost a bunch of Pokémon in addition to that.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2019, 03:56:10 AM
A fully explorable open-world environment with wild pokemon walking around out in the open to interact with isn't different enough?  And multiplayer raid battles?   I'm way more excited about stuff like that than I would be if they just came out and said "Good news everyone, it's the exact same game as the last 8 times but at least we made sure that fucking Pineco is in it."

The game's not even out for months, they have plenty of time to announce new stuff.  We've seen a teaser, not the full GDD.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 13, 2019, 04:00:47 AM
A fully explorable open-world environment with wild pokemon walking around out in the open to interact with isn't different enough?
No, because that was in Let's Go, so its nothing new.

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And multiplayer raid battles?
Not a big enough of a deal to justify removing all old Pokémon. Its literally a slightly different way of battling, just like rotation battles in Gen 5.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 04:05:20 AM
Not for nothing, but yeah, the one real new core mechanic they added was by combining the two previous ones, Megas and Z-Moves, give the power boost to all four moves for three turns, cut out the cool new designs for form changes that came with Mega for increasing length and width by x3 and calling it a day.  The wandering Pokémon?  From Let's Go. (And a mechanic I can't grasp why people love?  It removes the surprise.  I'd much rather a stat evaluator while fighting instead)  The big open map isn't exactly new, it's just a blank open map from numerous other JRPGs.  And to a much more limited extent, done already in Pokémon in XD too.  Combat hasn't changed for the majority like it was Coliseum or something, its just lessened by the lower number of combatants.  At most there's raids, which I guess is cool, until broken a month into the game's lifespan.  If there WAS some form of monumental core gameplay upgrade, then I'd be inclined to....well, not agree, outright losing anyone instead of improving upon them isn't acceptable for me, but inclined to be more in favor that we got something out of it.

And while I'm not exactly in their programming seat or even their field of work, I'm left to imagine that when they're reusing the same assets, for the same form of gameplay, and reusing animations directly lifted from previous titles, it's not that egregious of a timeframe to impose on that total list of monsters.  Not "nothing to it", but they're not exactly starting from scratch.

So yeah, I would want Pineco in if it is what's been shown so far.  But you are correct, they still have plenty of time to show the actuality of the game.  But god does this sour its initial appearances for me.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on June 13, 2019, 04:06:15 AM
Not big enough of a deal? They'd have to render giant versions of all 800+ pokemon though.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 04:10:50 AM
Which would be more impressive, if they weren't already cartoony looking models not big on detailed textures to begin with, so not exactly like upscaling the models from, say, Pokken.  Most of everyone's bodies are still a flat-colored texture across them, now with better lighting I suppose.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on June 13, 2019, 04:16:04 AM
I didnt see your reply, I was replying to the other guy. Regardless of whether they have the capability to do it, they are not, probably for time/budget reasons.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2019, 04:23:12 AM
I mean, I'm not gonna beat around the bush here.  From my point of view this all just looks like the internet's usual outrage over nothing.  Let's be brutally honest:  There's what, 800+ pokemon by now?  With more new ones on the way?  I'm willing to bet money that out of those 800 pokemon, every single player has at bare minimum 500-600 of them that they do not give a soft-boiled shit about.  Nobody carries the same investment for each and every single pokemon.  If they didn't announce this and just left, say, 100 pokemon out of the base game without telling anyone I bet it'd be months before anyone even noticed.

It is unquestionably not as big of a deal as it's being made out to be.  Eventually Pokemon was always going to grow too big to keep including everything in every game.  They're trimming the fat instead of wasting time, money, and resources on content that they already know that no player was ever going to bother with anyway, and I don't see why that's being viewed as a negative.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2019, 04:35:24 AM
Because besides the whole concept you joked about before being the game's core "goal" is to collect everyone, they've actively pushed for the compatibility to preserve transfers not only between all the gens thus far since gen 3, they've pushed it as a selling point on the downloads of the first two gens that got cut out of the loop with their initial releases.  They put the effort into making it a big deal, so when they go back on it, of course they would be called out on it.

And evidently, that fat being trimmed was someone's favorite that they've been letting people use without issue until this point.  I trust just as much you imagine no one would notice that people would still be at arms if it was a sudden surprise at release that hey, you like Dragonite?  Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 13, 2019, 04:46:32 AM
literal bag of garbage pokemon
Trubbish and Garbodor aren't fat you're fat
(Also they're in the game, as is the beautiful ice cream boyz you so scorn)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: yaret on June 13, 2019, 05:58:04 AM
hey people.! anybody know if there will be classic pokemon in this game like The 150 Original Pokemon??
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 13, 2019, 06:00:19 AM
Not being able to use Chesnaught, Incineroar, Lycanroc and Kommo-o will hurt me but not being able to use Feraligatr will definitely annihilate me as that Pokemon's been my longtime childhood favorite. There is no way I can replace those 5 mons. Though my planned team for Sword and Shield consist of only the new Pokemon, I'm still gonna be sad if I can't bring them over for postgame enjoyment after Home is released.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on June 13, 2019, 06:48:49 AM
I mean, I'm not gonna beat around the bush here.  From my point of view this all just looks like the internet's usual outrage over nothing.  Let's be brutally honest:  There's what, 800+ pokemon by now?  With more new ones on the way?  I'm willing to bet money that out of those 800 pokemon, every single player has at bare minimum 500-600 of them that they do not give a soft-boiled shit about.  Nobody carries the same investment for each and every single pokemon.  If they didn't announce this and just left, say, 100 pokemon out of the base game without telling anyone I bet it'd be months before anyone even noticed.

It is unquestionably not as big of a deal as it's being made out to be.  Eventually Pokemon was always going to grow too big to keep including everything in every game.  They're trimming the fat instead of wasting time, money, and resources on content that they already know that no player was ever going to bother with anyway, and I don't see why that's being viewed as a negative.

Yes we should just ignore that SWSH has the quality of an upscaled 3DS game that has the laziest animations in gaming history. They have absolutely no excuse if they're still so incompetent that NPCs have pop-in, WIngull literally just hovers statically, and Pokemon move animations are still as bad as they were since X & Y (seriously just look at Double Kick).

If sacrificing Pokemon to improve the game's quality, which Masuda literally said in the new interview, then they completely failed at it. It's not even just a meme that Gamefreak are incompetent developers. Iwata had to personally help them with GSC so it can even run properly and it was him that made post-GSC Kanto possible. Let's not even go into them making so many different 3d models for a single character/Pokemon like Lilly who had 10 of them in SM. Apparently Dynamaxed Pokemon are their own models which is one of the main reasons Pokemon had to be cut.

Pokemon is the biggest media franchise in the world. There is really no excuse for this incompetence especially when you compare it to other mon games like Digimon Cyber Sleuth and the recent Dragon Quest Monsters games that all had less than half the budget Pokemon games have. Even just generally comparing it to almost every modern game today SWSH looks like it's stuck in the PS2 era.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Akito on June 13, 2019, 07:05:31 AM
Not being able to use Chesnaught, Incineroar, Lycanroc and Kommo-o will hurt me but not being able to use Feraligatr will definitely annihilate me as that Pokemon's been my longtime childhood favorite. There is no way I can replace those 5 mons. Though my planned team for Sword and Shield consist of only the new Pokemon, I'm still gonna be sad if I can't bring them over for postgame enjoyment after Home is released.

Yeah man, Totodile, Croconaw and Feraligatr is my favorite Pokemon too, I'm sad with this. I hope If possible obtain others pokemons with post game + Pokemon Home release in future.

My "Dream-Team":

- Feraligatr (Water)
- Gardevoir (Psychic/Fairy)
- Dragonite (Dragon)
- Snorlax (Normal)
- Lucario (Fight/Steel)
- Gengar (Ghost/Poison)

If Nintendo not mantain the restrictions, of course.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2019, 04:44:36 PM
I mean if you all want to be angry about it that’s your prerogative, I’m just trying to be reasonable.  Again, this was always going to happen eventually.  Games get more and more expensive to make as technology advances; it’s not like they’re still developing for GBA or DS anymore.  And with the franchise’s model of introducing 100 or so new monsters with each generation, there was always going to come a point where the figures of “Pokémon we have” vs “Pokémon we can afford to put in the next game” would start to drift apart.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 13, 2019, 05:43:12 PM
Honestly if it means the actual game is more fun to play and has more non-story content, then so be it. In an interview, it was said that there's going to be plenty of post-game content which sounds great.

You don't know how long I collectively spent in Sinnoh's Underground or mixing poffins, so give me more of that and I'll be happy. Heck, even a new Battle Frontier would be swell, especially after the silly comments they made in regards to why it was absent in OR/AS.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on June 13, 2019, 09:56:58 PM
Megas and Z-moves were just confirmed not to come back either. Really this whole Dynamax thing is one giant mistake. It's not even original and exciting. It's literally just "it gets bigger". They put so much unneeded effort into making Dynamax models for every Pokemon even though they can just resize them through coding.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 13, 2019, 10:16:11 PM
The way I see it, Dynamax is their solution to effectively give every single available Pokemon the equivalent of a Mega Evolution rather than only giving a small percentage (26 Pokemon, or 3.214% of the Gen 7 National dex, to be exact). They tried to do this with Z-moves in Gen 7 as well, but how exactly are they going to explain Z-moves in SwSh? Unlike Megas, Z-moves were explicitly tied to the story of Necrozma, even if it was very subtle. So not only did they do it for balance reasons, they did it because it fits the narrative.

Yeah, it's going to suck not being able to use Mega Charizard X or Flyinium Z Landorus-T or whatnot, but if it creates a more level competitive playing field then I'm all for it. I mean, just look what happened when Mega Rayquaza, Mega Lucario, Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Gengar, and Mega Salamence were introduced; the only ways to level out the playing field was to either make everything else stupidly broken, or remove the broken elements. Adding Dynamax and removing Megas and Z-moves, as I see it, was the middle ground between those two extremes.

And those complaining about mot being able to transfer certain species to SwSh, you're acting as if SwSh are going to be the last games in the series. I'm willing to bet that in November 2020 when Sinnoh Remakes or whatever gets released that finally allow you to use your precious Kommo-O or Bidoof, you'll forget all about this; after all, they had to make it possible to migrate those Pokemon over to Pokemon Home for a reason besides just leaving them there to rot.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 13, 2019, 10:31:22 PM
Here is the thing, darling: why should we wait when they CAN easily just bring those up now? Honestly, if big Pokémon is all we're gonna get as a "mechanic" on this generation, I would MUCH rather have no new mechanic and keep all old Pokémon NOW instead of waiting god knows how much until they finally release a game that allows them. Make more megas, or, hell, make new evolutions for Pokémon that are shit, Luvdisc still exist and its the worst thing ever, why not work on that? Don't be naive to think that making them gigantic will help balance, it won't, now we'll simply go back to Gen V's levels of strenght, except the most powerful Pokémon will now also be able to enjoy becoming gigantic, because there is no reason for you to use Dynamax on the weaker ones.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 13, 2019, 11:40:59 PM
EDIT: Screw it!! The reason why I play new Generations of Pokemon is BECAUSE of the new Pokemon. So I'll play Sword and Shield just for that. I'll miss Z-moves but since there's no Megas, I'm not bothered because I'm not planning on having the old Pokemon unless it's a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Foobs on June 14, 2019, 05:15:41 AM
I mean if you all want to be angry about it that’s your prerogative, I’m just trying to be reasonable.  Again, this was always going to happen eventually.  Games get more and more expensive to make as technology advances; it’s not like they’re still developing for GBA or DS anymore.  And with the franchise’s model of introducing 100 or so new monsters with each generation, there was always going to come a point where the figures of “Pokémon we have” vs “Pokémon we can afford to put in the next game” would start to drift apart.
Gamefreak's model was fucking stupid. There was no need to design 100-200 new pokemon per generation, specially when so many of the were obvious expies of existing pokemon (bland bird pokemon, bland mammal pokemon). They should've seen the writing on the wall when they first made the leap into 3D and become much more restrained.

Dumping the old pokemon NOW is an unbelievably moronic idea since Pokemon Go made the original 151 more culturally relevant than anything GF could come up with.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on June 14, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
The way I see it, Dynamax is their solution to effectively give every single available Pokemon the equivalent of a Mega Evolution rather than only giving a small percentage (26 Pokemon, or 3.214% of the Gen 7 National dex, to be exact). They tried to do this with Z-moves in Gen 7 as well, but how exactly are they going to explain Z-moves in SwSh? Unlike Megas, Z-moves were explicitly tied to the story of Necrozma, even if it was very subtle. So not only did they do it for balance reasons, they did it because it fits the narrative.

Yeah, it's going to suck not being able to use Mega Charizard X or Flyinium Z Landorus-T or whatnot, but if it creates a more level competitive playing field then I'm all for it. I mean, just look what happened when Mega Rayquaza, Mega Lucario, Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Gengar, and Mega Salamence were introduced; the only ways to level out the playing field was to either make everything else stupidly broken, or remove the broken elements. Adding Dynamax and removing Megas and Z-moves, as I see it, was the middle ground between those two extremes.

And those complaining about mot being able to transfer certain species to SwSh, you're acting as if SwSh are going to be the last games in the series. I'm willing to bet that in November 2020 when Sinnoh Remakes or whatever gets released that finally allow you to use your precious Kommo-O or Bidoof, you'll forget all about this; after all, they had to make it possible to migrate those Pokemon over to Pokemon Home for a reason besides just leaving them there to rot.

Don't give me that "it's all for competitive balance" stuff. That kind of logic is why we have that functions bullshit in MvCI. Majority of people don't give a crap about that. They just want their favorite Pokemon and want to use them. Also the notion of Gamefreak caring about competitive balance is pretty funny. All they care is putting a new gimmick to entice fans. Megas and Z-moves just introduced even more broken Pokemon and you think Dynamax won't?

And how did we even imply these will be the last games? That's the actual problem we have with it in the first place. That Pokemon are stuck in limbo on their shitty mobile app (reminder that Home isn't a Switch program) until Gamefreak decides to put them in whatever games they make next. And you know full well they give all the popular Pokemon top priority so some Pokemon will either be left out for way too long or even never come back because of how obscure they are. Just look at Glameow and Purugly. They almost didn't show up at all in the 3DS games.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on June 14, 2019, 03:18:05 PM
why Wouldn’t they focus on the Pokémon that will sell games over two gen 4 cat Pokémon with nothing notable about them, in a sea of 700+ Pokémon
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 14, 2019, 04:43:01 PM
I like how the people complaining about Mega Evolution being removed never once brought up the fact that, because Dynamaxing doesn't require a specific item ala Mega Rayquaza, a Pokemon could in theory both Mega Evolve AND Dynamax. If you think Mega Evolutions were broken by themselves, imagine what having both can do.

We already have instances in Gen 7 where you have to guess if a Pokemon is a Z-move user or a Mega Evolution (this usually just applies to Gyarados, but instances of multiple possible Z-Moves/Megas on a single team is also a thing), so adding Dynamax on top of that would only convolute matters further. If anything, Dynamaxing makes the Z-Move/Mega mechanic much more dynamic in that you no longer have to dedicate a single teamslot to your Mega/Z-Move which, if you run multiple Megas/Z-Move users, can result in one of your Pokemon effectively having no item; because hold items didn't exist in LGPE, this wasn't an issue so running multiple Pokemon capable of Mega Evolving is seen as a much more viable strategy in LGPE than it is in XY/ORAS/SM/USUM, and Dynamaxing is effectively built from that idea.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 14, 2019, 06:23:30 PM
I'd actually take new megas long before Dynamax because when done right it gave us Beedrill and Charizard (God it sucks to be them come sword and shield) It's just Gamefreak, being Gamefreak, pushed some megas WAY too far and gave Megas to things that had no business having one such as Rayquaza, Mewtwo, and Salamence.

Balance is a PR reason and if anything that's what annoys me more than anything else about Masuda's explanation because it actually feels like an attempt to throw us competitive folk under the bus. Like, I'm pretty sure they're aware of the competitive-casual divide and sorta hoped they could deflect some of the anger at us "Smogonfags". Aaaaaand since there's Let's Go Eevee and Pikachu data to recycle I bet almost all (If not all) of the 151 originals will be included with the hopeful side effect of deflecting anger at "Genwunners". So yeah, "for competitive balance" is what actually annoys me rather than makes me feel optimistic. Especially when we're gonna get some over-pushed broken piece of shit that will spawn more cynical twitter memes the moment smogon suspect tests it.

Knowing Gamefreak, the actual reason they professionally cannot admit is because they weren't prepared for a project of this scope so we're basically getting an elaborate beta for their new engine. It's like Diamond and Pearl but with something far more detrimental than SAVING A LOT OF DATA. Come the next main Pokemon game they're gonna be like "We have listened to our fans so now Poke'mon Gun will allow you to transfer ANY of your Poke'mon into it! You can continue your journey with all of your favorites isn't that great?! Everyone is here!"
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 15, 2019, 01:29:16 AM
Ugh, this stupidity had more annoying long-reaching effects then I was even thinking about.  Been getting my younger brothers into the series, and the games that really took hold were Sun and Moon, the games and the anime, and they love their Nebby to bits.  Now gotta explain to them why the company behind the games won't let them play with their favorites because of freaking balancing and the unlikely event of them getting their legendary in the new game.

I like how the people complaining about Mega Evolution being removed never once brought up the fact that, because Dynamaxing doesn't require a specific item ala Mega Rayquaza, a Pokemon could in theory both Mega Evolve AND Dynamax. If you think Mega Evolutions were broken by themselves, imagine what having both can do.

I'd presume the Dynamax transformation will require its own held item like Megas and Z-Moves, because while the form might block out Z-moves with its own unique moveset imposed upon it, currently there's nothing saying you can't pull out a Dynamaxed Mega Rayquaza.  And I'm inclined to believe that's a tad bit ridiculous.

I'd guess we all had similar thoughts, it just wasn't remotely as big a deal as it first was upon announcement compared to the following Treehouse news about exclusion.  I was presuming the fact they kept Megas in gen 7 and just handwave explained it away with tourists bringing over the idea to Alola, they would just do the same thing in gen 8 after the Elite Four with more tourists.  I mean, it would be ridiculous to just throw away these mechanics that they quite actively promoted and put a lot of work into creating new further evolved forms of Pokémon that people just loved.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 15, 2019, 05:38:05 AM
Just a thought as I sit in front of the computer just now:

Since the Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Shield are both on a system that can receive large patches fairly easily, what is the likelihood that future updates to the game will include new Pokemon that wasn't in already?

Maybe have a Safari Zone and have the new Pokemon dumped in there, claiming to be imports from a far-away region...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: StevenB on June 15, 2019, 11:39:53 AM
Just a thought as I sit in front of the computer just now:

Since the Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Shield are both on a system that can receive large patches fairly easily, what is the likelihood that future updates to the game will include new Pokemon that wasn't in already?

Maybe have a Safari Zone and have the new Pokemon dumped in there, claiming to be imports from a far-away region...

tbh I was thinking the same thing- I think it's pretty likely. Nintendo's recent track record with listening to fan feedback and patching in requested features is pretty good, but on the other hand Gamefreak is kind of like an entirely different beast.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 15, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
The closest to additional content Game Freak has done is the expensive Mew DLC for LGPE. I suppose you could count the Dream World, but that's something already built into the games and they simply needed to get the web app up and running; also Mystery Gifts I suppose, but no full-on big additions to games.

Track record is working against a gradually expanding Pokédex.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 15, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
All this news of excluded Pokemon and no Megas makes me sad. Guess I'll keep the horde of Pokemon I've been collecting since childhood on my Gen 6 cartridges.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on June 29, 2019, 04:38:08 AM
So in related news, Masuda doubles down on his original statement.... Foolishness, Masuda, foolishness.
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1144728464781524992
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2019, 04:47:38 AM
For all the ungrateful, entitled fanboy bitching every single one of these jokers is gonna be lining up to buy it on launch day regardless.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 29, 2019, 04:56:26 AM
Doesn't heal the wound that veterans won't be able to transfer their favorites into Sword/Shield.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2019, 05:12:52 AM
Big whoop.  Catch a new pokemon or play the old ones again.    They're not obligated to cater exclusively to the obsessive adult fanbase who refuse to accept anything new or different.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on June 29, 2019, 06:01:13 AM
Man, I get flashbacks of when people was bitching about Fairy types. I do think that it kinda sucks that some Pokemon won't be in the Pokedex, but at the same time I am super stoked to see the new Pokemon as well.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on June 29, 2019, 03:24:37 PM
Big whoop.  Catch a new pokemon or play the old ones again.    They're not obligated to cater exclusively to the obsessive adult fanbase who refuse to accept anything new or different.

What is even new in this game? Making Pokemon bigger? How exactly is that original and exciting? 3d camera? Should have happened the moment they switched to 3d with XY. Multiplayer raids? That's has been a thing since multiplayer existed.

I'm not that blind a fanboy that I can just accept them removing features and the things they're adding is completely not up to par. Also once again I'm going to mention the overall quality of the game. I can't imagine how someone could ever defend something as noticeable as N64-quality trees, or Wingulls statically hovering 3 feet in the air, or the bike clipping through the ground, or NPCs just popping in on the screen. Is this kind of amateur programming really something we should just accept from the biggest media franchise in the world?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2019, 03:42:58 PM
Yes, I agree that it doesn't have anything new at all when you deliberately choose to ignore all of the new things it has.  Wow.  Good point.  Really opened up my eyes with that one.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 29, 2019, 06:52:18 PM
Watching both sides of Pokemon fanboys go at it with each other is already amusing as is but I feel the real fun hasn't even started. Like, I can't wait until people get into Sword and Shield's data. As the poke'mon programming and models in these games were made to be as recycle-able as possible I am fairly confident that all Poke'mon data will actually be in the game for various reasons and yet the internet will fucking break when that data is found. Bonus points if someone manages to hack in the untransferable Poke'mon to show them being largely intact save maybe for the model fucking up when dynamaxing or doing new moves.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 29, 2019, 07:03:42 PM
Yes, I agree that it doesn't have anything new at all when you deliberately choose to ignore all of the new things it has.  Wow.  Good point.  Really opened up my eyes with that one.
Its not being ignored, its simply non-existant. Giant Pokémon with "specific movesets" for said state is no big deal, its literally a worse version of Mega Evolution, with less uniqueness because its literally a bigger model instead of a cool new one with another ability. Raid bosses have been a thing since forever, how is that new in this game? No "new feature" is being ignored, because no new feature exists, its simply a crappier version of things that already exist. And they have yet to give us an explanation as to why we're having so many Pokémon removed while NOTHING is being added.

Watching both sides of Pokemon fanboys go at it with each other is already amusing as is but I feel the real fun hasn't even started. Like, I can't wait until people get into Sword and Shield's data. As the poke'mon programming and models in these games were made to be as recycle-able as possible I am fairly confident that all Poke'mon data will actually be in the game for various reasons and yet the internet will fucking break when that data is found. Bonus points if someone manages to hack in the untransferable Poke'mon to show them being largely intact save maybe for the model fucking up when dynamaxing or doing new moves.
Thats exactly what frustrates me the most about this situation: if they had made completely new models, animations and effects, I would have understood, not liked it, but it is understandable that they wouldn't be able to make new animations for every Pokémon. But they are not making ANYTHING, those models are the exact same they've been ever since X/Y, aside from a new coat of paint and the animations are exactly the same, all it took for them to do was to make more for the new Pokémon, which is the only thing they're actually doing in this game, it doesn't justify removing the rest.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 29, 2019, 07:15:14 PM
Oh no don't get me wrong I'm not one of those "But they keep recycling the models they have no excuse people!" because there's nearly a thousand of these fuckers at this point. Every bit of new programming is a pain in the ass. Even minor new attack animations are very time consuming. I can actually see why incomplete compatibility is a thing but I can also see that give it another game or two and then all the Poke'mon will be completely reprogrammed for Switch engine so they're will be no point to not include all of them and then they'll throw out Poke'mon Finished Ultra Sword and Shield with full Poke'mon support as a selling point.

I'm simply under the opinion that gamefreak was not prepared for a project of this scale and I'm just gonna enjoy the fireworks while awaiting a switch Pokemon game that isn't a tech demo or a beta.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2019, 07:18:24 PM
Its not being ignored, its simply non-existant. Giant Pokémon with "specific movesets" for said state is no big deal, its literally a worse version of Mega Evolution, with less uniqueness because its literally a bigger model instead of a cool new one with another ability. Raid bosses have been a thing since forever, how is that new in this game? No "new feature" is being ignored, because no new feature exists, its simply a crappier version of things that already exist. And they have yet to give us an explanation as to why we're having so many Pokémon removed while NOTHING is being added.

You don't get to decide something isn't there just because you didn't personally ask for it.  That is the absolute pinnacle of arrogant, ignorant fanboyism. 
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on June 29, 2019, 10:57:27 PM
Its not being ignored, its simply non-existant. Giant Pokémon with "specific movesets" for said state is no big deal, its literally a worse version of Mega Evolution, with less uniqueness because its literally a bigger model instead of a cool new one with another ability. Raid bosses have been a thing since forever, how is that new in this game? No "new feature" is being ignored, because no new feature exists, its simply a crappier version of things that already exist. And they have yet to give us an explanation as to why we're having so many Pokémon removed while NOTHING is being added.

You don't get to decide something isn't there just because you didn't personally ask for it.  That is the absolute pinnacle of arrogant, ignorant fanboyism. 
You don't get to say that it is there just because you're satisfied with the bare minimum on both effort and content. That is the absolute pinnacle of arrogant ignorant white-knighting.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on June 29, 2019, 11:14:20 PM
I mean no, you're wrong. There is stuff being added, its just not what you wanted.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2019, 11:22:07 PM
You don't get to say that it is there just because you're satisfied with the bare minimum on both effort and content. That is the absolute pinnacle of arrogant ignorant white-knighting.
It is literally and objectively new content.  Pokemon has never had multiplayer raid battles before.  It has never had a mega/z-move/transformation mechanic that can be applied to any pokemon and not just the handful that they want to market for the anime.    Again, you don't get to decide that it doesn't exist just because you, personally, did not approve of its inclusion.  Just because you're angry doesn't mean you're right.

Goddamn Dudley Dursley's all over this place.  You just want more more more more more.  Who cares what it is or how hard it is to make or how expensive or how much stress on the developers it causes.  Y'all just keep demanding an unreasonable amount of content that you're never even actually going to use.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 29, 2019, 11:43:23 PM
Oh no don't get me wrong I'm not one of those "But they keep recycling the models they have no excuse people!" because there's nearly a thousand of these fuckers at this point. Every bit of new programming is a pain in the ass. Even minor new attack animations are very time consuming. I can actually see why incomplete compatibility is a thing but I can also see that give it another game or two and then all the Poke'mon will be completely reprogrammed for Switch engine so they're will be no point to not include all of them and then they'll throw out Poke'mon Finished Ultra Sword and Shield with full Poke'mon support as a selling point.

I more or less kind of agree with this. People don't realize how massive the amount of Pokemon there are now is.

and besides, there's sort of a sense of "realism" now: not every animal is found everywhere on Earth. Might as well remake the previous games with every pokemon introduced after if we need to have every pokemon in every game.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 30, 2019, 04:46:32 AM
I'm not on the fanboyism side on the matter. I only wanted to be able to transfer my teams from my Ultra Sun over to Sword/Shield's postgame but even if they did allowed people to bring all their old Pokemon teams for postgame, the removal of Megas already confirmed I can't bring some of my sets because the sets are strictly for the Mega evolution. I'm just gonna have to start a new army of Pokemon from scratch postgame. I'm pretty sure Ditto will be in Galar, that way it'll be possible to breed for the nature you want on the Pokemon. Dynamaxing seem meh over Megas but unlike Megas, you can Dynamax any Pokemon you have with you though there's a 3 turn limit...

Until then, I'm gonna eagerly wait for new info on the new Pokemon and have my Spoil Station ready because once the game's been datamined, I'm gonna start a new Google Doc listing my Sword/Shield sets.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on June 30, 2019, 04:57:02 AM
Boy, those two weeks sure let everyone from either side cool their heads, yeah?  Nice and civil all around.

Well, that certainly is a disappointment from Game Freak.  A nod as to what the cut content could look forward to in Home, as plugging as it would be for them, would have saved them additional backlash.  Not very smart.  Nor is the wording continuing the trend of implication that never again will you have your full team back, just those missing will swap places with those in currently for the next game comforting.  But it is their choice.  If they were willing to wait this out two weeks, they probably should have just kept waiting until the next actual game info dump to address this so that we could also get something on the other stuff people have been criticizing to discuss.  They have something planed for July, don't they?

I suppose for the time being....I'll hold on to the pre-order on account of not seeing much of the game yet.  When we get that next big info dump, I'll see if the new stuff is worth the trouble.  Thus far it hasn't been anything personally substantial or worth all this drama.  I managed dealing with not getting gens 4 and 5 plus X and Y at launch, I can manage to get this pre-owned if it's only "ok".  But I don't like the idea of supporting this removal of choice.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 30, 2019, 05:47:21 AM
Just as I was getting used to the peace and quiet, someone have to take a match to this tank of gas and make everything lit up again.

Regardless, I still am in the wait and see mode in regards to this entire charade. As for my response to the entire ordeal about some of the Pokemon getting the cut, it is a solid meh. Meh, as in I, seemingly enough, am quite neutral about this. I am not exactly too thrilled nor I am very outraged. I'm just calm.

Then again, it should be obvious who is my favorite Pokemon is and maybe it is a contributing factor on why I am very calm...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2019, 11:34:21 PM
So to at least bring some conversation that's not death and destruction to all mankind, a thought occurs to me.  Would dynamaxing mix with eviolite?  The hypothetical design behind usage of dynamax is the supposed fair use of every pokemon included in the game regardless of where it sits on the evolutionary line.  This more-or-less was also the thought process behind eviolite, just not very effective in practice outside Porygon 2 being drastically different than its following evolution.

Has anyone who's tested the demo gone into poking around the Pokémon stats when transformed, what items they were holding, does the transformation keep them out of play until its over or what?

Guess that topic wasn't a popular one to discuss.  Anyways, new trailer out today.


So, Gigantamaxing, just as leaked prior.  Guess that's something to look forward to more actual details on how it functions.  Also there's a new Geodude, a Steel/Dragon living letter "L" and a cake pokemon that's not Slurpuff.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on July 08, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
Rolycoly is the Galar Region's Geodude.  A Rock-type Pokémon with Heatproof and the new ability Steam Engine that boost Speed when hit by a Water or Fire move.
New white Pokemon is Duraludon, Steel/Dragon with abilties Light Metal/Heavy Metal.

New mechanic is called Gigantamax that changes certain Pokemon's form as well as a "G-Max" move.  Drednaw is one of them.  Alcremie is a Fairy-type cream Pokemon with Sweet Veil and it becomes a large sentient cake Pokemon with this feature.

Larvitar is exclusive to Shield while Jangmo-o is exclusive to Sword.  Both however can be redeemable via codes when you purchase the dual pack steelbook that gives you Dynamax Crystals.

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So, Gigantamaxing, just as leaked prior.
Spoiler: Interesting notes for that (click to see content)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on July 08, 2019, 04:48:03 PM
So we have a cupcake that becomes a giant cake, a moving coal and a iron cannon dragon...
This looks impressive so far!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 08, 2019, 04:50:47 PM
Golly gee would you look at that.  There are more mechanics in the game than what the limited E3 demo showed off.  Boy howdy I sure am glad I waited until we had all the information to make a judgement about the game and didn’t just throw a giant hissy fit over nothing.  That would’ve been super embarrassing.

Gigantamax Corviknight looks Dark Souls as hell.  Definitely want one of those on my team.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 08, 2019, 04:54:43 PM
Golly gee would you look at that.  There are more mechanics in the game than what the limited E3 demo showed off.  Boy howdy I sure am glad I waited until we had all the information to make a judgement about the game and didn’t just throw a giant hissy fit over nothing.  That would’ve been super embarrassing.

Gigantamax Corviknight looks Dark Souls as hell.  Definitely want one of those on my team.
Yeah, big mechanic, its a giant uninspired Mega Evolution, soooooo new. TRASH.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 08, 2019, 04:59:12 PM
It's not exactly like this changes much of anything, there's still Pokémon missing and they're still intending for this poor trend to continue.  As bratty as people were, I'm fairly certain most were also keen to the fact that there's more to see.  Just the unlikelihood of it counter-balancing the removal of one of the reasons to play.  And I'm sure there will be more neat things to come, like that UK Rock-based soundtrack or supposedly they might keep their word with something post-game like a Battle Frontier to do, but for many I can fairly see why it doesn't matter anymore.

I am once again wondering since the initial Gigantamaxing leak came out if their plan for losing Megas is only in name and Pokémon like Pidgeot or Gardevoir who need them to get by will still be getting all of the stat improvements and ability changes, just under a different name with Gigantamaxing.  Would be on par for them to save the workload reusing the Mega models as well.

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So, Gigantamaxing, just as leaked prior.
Spoiler: Interesting notes for that (click to see content)
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 08, 2019, 07:07:29 PM
Golly gee would you look at that.  There are more mechanics in the game than what the limited E3 demo showed off.  Boy howdy I sure am glad I waited until we had all the information to make a judgement about the game and didn’t just throw a giant hissy fit over nothing.  That would’ve been super embarrassing.

Gigantamax Corviknight looks Dark Souls as hell.  Definitely want one of those on my team.
Yeah, big mechanic, its a giant uninspired Mega Evolution, soooooo new. TRASH.

They take out mega evolutions and z-moves and you bitch about it.
They add a new mechanic that functions as both mega evolutions and z-moves in one and you bitch about it.

And they wonder why Pokémon fanboys have this reputation of being unpleasable, entitled brats. 
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 08, 2019, 07:24:13 PM
Person Man you're not being well behaved yourself :3c

Anyways Alcremie would be better if it turned into Illbleed's Cake From Hell. Also I love how they're replacing mega evolution with...mega evolution but for a few turns. *Shrug*
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 08, 2019, 10:59:12 PM
And they wonder why Pokémon fanboys have this reputation of being unpleasable, entitled brats. 
Sounds more like you're white-knighting than I'm being entitled. I have all the right to complain about something being outright REMOVED from the series, specially the one thing that was always the main point of the series: catching ALL pokémon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Nep Heart on July 08, 2019, 11:32:16 PM
 Good to see that Youmu made it into Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 08, 2019, 11:41:59 PM
Person Man you're not being well behaved yourself :3c

You know what, that’s totally fair.  This is clearly not going to lead anywhere productive.

I also do want to call myself out for getting totally blown up with this announcement; There I was getting all excited that they’d take the opportunity to clear out some of the less inspired Pokémon like the ice cream cone, and now they throw in a new one that’s just a pile of whipped cream and strawberries.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 08, 2019, 11:53:37 PM
I look forward to this thread every time its bumped just to see new complaints Macaulyn97 can come up with, and boy has he delivered
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on July 08, 2019, 11:55:50 PM
There I was getting all excited that they’d take the opportunity to clear out some of the less inspired Pokémon like the ice cream cone, and now they throw in a new one that’s just a pile of whipped cream and strawberries.

A cream that kills dragons to a cake that makes creamy meteors rain, that sounds fun.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 09, 2019, 01:49:51 AM
You all do realize that Garbodor and Vanilluxe have been seen in the game. They in. I honestly don't get the hate for the likes of Garbodor, Electrode, and Vanilluxe because if anything it's kinda great how much personality they were able to put into such simple and silly concepts.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 09, 2019, 02:48:39 AM
I look forward to this thread every time its bumped just to see new complaints Macaulyn97 can come up with, and boy has he delivered
I didn't bump it, we got a new trailer and a mechanic "reveal" that recycles shit and pretends to be new.

There I was getting all excited that they’d take the opportunity to clear out some of the less inspired Pokémon like the ice cream cone, and now they throw in a new one that’s just a pile of whipped cream and strawberries.

A cream that kills dragons to a cake that makes creamy meteors rain, that sounds fun.

She is just lovely, and she isn't even the first sweet that kills dragons in the series.

You all do realize that Garbodor and Vanilluxe have been seen in the game. They in. I honestly don't get the hate for the likes of Garbodor, Electrode, and Vanilluxe because if anything it's kinda great how much personality they were able to put into such simple and silly concepts.
Don't let Gen 1 worshippers hear you comparing the incredibly original, unique and inspired Electrode being compared to those filthy Gen 5 pokes.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 09, 2019, 02:52:58 AM
You all do realize that Garbodor and Vanilluxe have been seen in the game. They in. I honestly don't get the hate for the likes of Garbodor, Electrode, and Vanilluxe because if anything it's kinda great how much personality they were able to put into such simple and silly concepts.

My biggest gripe has always been that these are supposed to be the wildlife of this world, and a lot of these "here's an object I saw laying around the office" Pokemon could never possibly exist in nature, even in Pokemon-world's fucked up magical version of nature.  Like, there is no way you can convince me there is any ecosystem that would facilitate a plastic bag full of human-produced trash sprouting googly eyes and starting to walk around.  Nor is there any evolutionary benefit for an animal to assume the appearance and smell of a bag of garbage.

It doesn't take much for me honestly, just make it at least passably convincing that it could actually be considered an animal.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 09, 2019, 04:53:09 AM
If I can interject, on the subject of these Pokémon designs, I'm on Person Man's side.  For the most part, the thing is if they don't fit perfectly then at least make them entertaining, special, something unique.  And bumping off Macaulyn97's remark on Electrode, something the old "items turned into monsters" critters had over newer ones was their clear intent of being spawned by the villains.  While the details aren't ever fully written out, the Voltorb line clearly is being produced and enslaved by Team Rocket, they're an artificially created race that's new to the world, something the organization has a habit of doing. (Mewtwo, likely tied to Grimer, I think Porygon was explicitly from them, hence why you only find them from the Rocket-owned casino).  And the garbage sludge mutated into a sentient being that is the Grimer line is as basic a "reap what you sow" monster you can get from big companies causing pollution.  While neither is exactly anything to write home about, they each have their purpose in the world created and I like them plenty for it.

The trouble following monsters have is, well, they don't have that purpose.  They're just there, trying to be natural.  Garbodor is trying to ape off Grimer, without the context and stretching a bit too far to really be taken seriously that the entire species grew plastic bags as some form of makeshift exoskeleton.  And the ice cream cones are just that, ice cream for no rhyme or reason.  They're "cute", but hard to really accept as realistic given the circumstances.

As for this latest one, Alcremie, I like it, it's cute, I might try to keep one around, and they've already established a use for it in-world.  It jut remains to see if it's an excuse people will buy lore-wise.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 09, 2019, 05:20:38 AM
Isn't the Vanilluxe line just a bunch of stalactites covered in snow? This is fairly close to nature. Yes, sure, they're shaped like ice cream cones, but its implied in the games that ice creams were inspired by them, not the contrary, which makes their design more solid.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 10, 2019, 02:49:52 AM
I'm gonna say this... I was bewildered by the Gigantamaxing mechanic. But I feel that is just Mega evolution mixed in with Dynamaxing and having G-moves, which obviously replaced Z-moves at this point alongside Max Moves. I feel that Gigantamaxing is for single-stage/fully evolved Pokemon only so I feel that Drednaw and Alcremie won't be evolving. I'm relieved that at least one of my 5 favorites made it, in which case is Jangmo-o. I do wonder if they'll reuse the Mega models for Gigantamaxing. However, I don't like how that only Pokemon found in Max Raid battles are capable are Gigantamaxing so this brings a little trouble for people who wanted to breed an excellent Pokemon to Gigantamax. I'm curious to see what G-Pangoro, G-Steelix, G-Tyranitar and G-Kommo-o look like.

I also noticed with the trainer customization we have the option to go hatless once more and this time we have the option to wear gloves or not so I hope they have better customization options to make the player stand out better.

Having exclusive Gym Leaders is an interesting thing... Sword has Bea while Shield has Allister. They've done this with BW1 but Drayden and Iris had the same team and both are Dragon trainers, just their Pokemon's genders are based off theirs. My hype for this game's been significantly restored but it's not the same as it was when I first saw the reveal. They also revealed the winner of the strongest Steel move.



It is known in Japan as Exhaustive Beam or Do-or-die. It's a special variant of Mind Blown to an extent and is Duraludon's sig move (Maybe). Single target. 140 BP, 8 PP max but after the attack, Duraludon loses half of its Max HP, meaning if it uses the move after its HP drop to 50% or below (Yellow bar), it'll faint after using the move.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on July 10, 2019, 04:12:21 AM
They also revealed the winner of the strongest Steel move.
It is known in Japan as Exhaustive Beam or Do-or-die.
 It's a special variant of Mind Blown to an extent and is Duraludon's sig move (Maybe). Single target. 140 BP, 8 PP max but after the attack, Duraludon loses half of its Max HP, meaning if it uses the move after its HP drop to 50% or below (Yellow bar), it'll faint after using the move.

Bet some Trick Room + Leftovers = Atleast 2 pokemon OHKO before dying.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 10, 2019, 04:49:08 AM
However, I don't like how that only Pokemon found in Max Raid battles are capable are Gigantamaxing so this brings a little trouble for people who wanted to breed an excellent Pokemon to Gigantamax.
Hey now, whoa, that's a big detail and cause for concern supposing this dynamax gimmick is not limited solely to the story and raids and is viable in traditional PvP, and if this is the case I seem to have missed this specific statement of dialogue from the news.  This would be a further exclusion against transferred Pokémon, they could not possibly be from a raid if they were transferred from a previous generation thus completely lose the ability to be fully utilized in this game.  A bonus flip off if they somehow manage to include raid Pokémon from Pokémon Go, though, because that'll just sit so well with the already irritated mainline game fans.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 10, 2019, 04:53:41 AM
Bet some Trick Room + Leftovers = Atleast 2 pokemon OHKO before dying.

Website says Duraludon can move quite quickly as a result of its light body. Might not mean much, but it implies it's not going to be slow.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 10, 2019, 05:01:27 AM
Being only 88 lbs, it may have a decent Speed stat.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on July 10, 2019, 05:19:08 AM
Website says Duraludon can move quite quickly as a result of its light body. Might not mean much, but it implies it's not going to be slow.

I have a feeling he will have PL tier stats that are completely the opposite of Tyranitar´s.

Looking at the Video... Average/Low HP, Good S.Atk, average DEF, Good S.DEF and probably Speed if has less overall damage output.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on July 10, 2019, 07:05:25 AM

I just thought this was interesting....

The TL;DW version, tailwhip and the like are just the Pokemon still lifelessly hopping around.

And speaking of "Hop".... He has an animation directly copy and pasted from Hau.

Higher quality animations, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 10, 2019, 07:09:50 AM
Oh, yeah, I saw that, but I was wondering whether I should I post or not, because if I'm not white-knighting for GameFreak or Nintendo and their absolute and proven laziness, I'm too entitled, apparently.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 10, 2019, 02:29:15 PM
You know, if you travel back in time ten years ago and tell the past me that a Pokemon game will be this controversial, I would have laughed it off and called you a weirdo in response.

Seriously though, I would never expected this much complaints and controversy to arise out of a Pokemon game before. I guess eliminating the National Dex must have done something to flip a switch.

I am still in the wait and see mode and staying out of the controversy, although I do think that the act of using a huge wedding-cake Pokemon to defeat a huge dragon-type Pokemon like Garchomp is a funny enough thought that I'll probably do it to defeat other people online. Heck, who knows? Maybe I will become Pokemon World Champion with it and Pikachu on my team.

Although the cynical side of me want to toss in two cents about this entire controversy: I am willing to guess that many of the complainers online, and especially Youtube, are rage-baiting hypocrites and lairs in that they are probably going to get Pokemon Sword and Shield anyway despite the ranting and complaining that they done. While they are free to complain and buy the game at the same time, don't expect me to take them seriously at all unless they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on July 10, 2019, 04:22:43 PM
That's it. I'm buying Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth for Switch.
Those animation are 10 times better compared to Sword and Shield! I hope they don't use the janky translation again.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 10, 2019, 04:30:15 PM
Meanwhile, members of the National Dex movement have started a campaign to  demand that Junichi Masuda be fired over all of this. (https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-fans-demanding-junichi-masuda-to-resign-over-exclusion-of-national-dex/amp/)

While another member took to Twitter to accuse him of rape. (https://nintendosoup.com/bringbacknationaldex-supporter-slanders-junichi-masuda-with-rape-accusations/amp/)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction to your make-believe animal checklist not being as long as you would have preferred.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 10, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Meanwhile, members of the National Dex movement have started a campaign to  demand that Junichi Masuda be fired over all of this. (https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-fans-demanding-junichi-masuda-to-resign-over-exclusion-of-national-dex/amp/)

While another member took to Twitter to accuse him of rape. (https://nintendosoup.com/bringbacknationaldex-supporter-slanders-junichi-masuda-with-rape-accusations/amp/)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction to your make-believe animal checklist not being as long as you would have preferred.
Yeah, because those make 100% of the people who want the National Dex in, right, you complete idiot?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on July 10, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
Oh... The Pokemon fanbase is sooo peaceful, isn't it?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 10, 2019, 04:53:17 PM
That's it. I'm buying Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth for Switch.
Those animation are 10 times better compared to Sword and Shield! I hope they don't use the janky translation again.
Digimon has always had Poke'mon beat when it came to video games and the anime but it could just never match up to Poke'mon's popularity. Though it is interesting to see more eyes open as people want a new monster raising game to pass the time while they wait for gamefreak to get their stuff together and release the more complete ultra/2/gun versions of sword and shield.

Meanwhile, members of the National Dex movement have started a campaign to  demand that Junichi Masuda be fired over all of this. (https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-fans-demanding-junichi-masuda-to-resign-over-exclusion-of-national-dex/amp/)

While another member took to Twitter to accuse him of rape. (https://nintendosoup.com/bringbacknationaldex-supporter-slanders-junichi-masuda-with-rape-accusations/amp/)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction to your make-believe animal checklist not being as long as you would have preferred.
All sides of the fanbase except for competitive NU and PU players are insane. Still though, what the actual shit.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 10, 2019, 04:54:57 PM
That's it. I'm buying Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth for Switch.
Those animation are 10 times better compared to Sword and Shield! I hope they don't use the janky translation again.
Digimon has always had Poke'mon beat when it came to video games and the anime but it could just never match up to Poke'mon's popularity. Though it is interesting to see more eyes open as people want a new monster raising game to pass the time while they wait for gamefreak to get their stuff together and release the more complete ultra/2/gun versions of sword and shield.

Meanwhile, members of the National Dex movement have started a campaign to  demand that Junichi Masuda be fired over all of this. (https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-fans-demanding-junichi-masuda-to-resign-over-exclusion-of-national-dex/amp/)

While another member took to Twitter to accuse him of rape. (https://nintendosoup.com/bringbacknationaldex-supporter-slanders-junichi-masuda-with-rape-accusations/amp/)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction to your make-believe animal checklist not being as long as you would have preferred.
All sides of the fanbase except for competitive NU and PU players are insane. Still though, what the actual shit.

what about RU :(

i forget if Druddigon is still in RU but when i played it he was and it was a great community
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 10, 2019, 04:59:58 PM
RU fans are cool too. Like, the lower tiers in general because all we do is chill and throw out witty memes.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on July 10, 2019, 05:54:07 PM
Man, I know people are really upset about the direction Sw/Sh is going, but the things people are doing right now is god damn dumb and mind boggling. If people don't like it, then don't buy it, people can still speak with their wallets. I'm also miffed about some of the stuff happening, but i'm also excited because some very interesting stuff is going to be in the game as well. I just hope that in the end, we just get an enjoyable game at the end of it all.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Akito on July 10, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
I was not in favor of the bad decisions that Game Freak made for this game, just as I am not in favor of the way she is behaving, however, some actions are totally depreciable, with no need to be made.

Note: Despite everything, I believe that this whole situation serves to show to Game Freak that the fanbase is not accepting anything more than they do, so I hope that from now on we can see things that really surprise. This is the first franchise game I'm not excited about playing.

Of course the current climate influences, but I did not see anything that was really attractive, because in one way or another, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are still the most complete versions, because in them you can have all Pokémon, Mega-Evolutions , Z-Moves among several other features that sustain the competitive environment.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Jmorphman on July 10, 2019, 10:11:23 PM
Yeah, because those make 100% of the people who want the National Dex in, right, you complete idiot?
Settle down.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: _Data_Drain_ on July 11, 2019, 12:51:01 AM
Yeah, because those make 100% of the people who want the National Dex in, right, you complete idiot?
Settle down.

To be fair, both of them are being imbeciles for different reasons.

As for this whole thing.... I actually feel Masuda should step down from Pokemon. Not be fired, he should have his involvement with Gamefreak elsewhere. He's shown multiple times he's out of touch with the Pokemon fanbase. Not just for this, but for other things being axed. Battle Frontier because "Kids don't have the time for it anymore." Or difficulty settings being removed for... no reason.

However, perhaps working full time on new games for Gamefreak, like Town and the like, could help his creative juices flow better. He could be suffering burnout with the Pokemon franchise.

On the other hand... that false accusation is messed up. That person deserves some form of punishment for that. Seriously, false allegations are no laughing matter. Had that person been at least a bit more believable, Masuda's life could have been ruined completely. I hope some form of karma completely screws that person over.... But, then again, there's no such thing as karma.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 11, 2019, 01:27:16 AM
I do believe Masuda deserves a little bit of flack for outright lying about his first PR statements with the animation and balance stuff but I don't think he should be fired, step down, or get accused of rape (Again. WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIT). I think Poke'mon needs to step down a little. They're vomiting out poke'mon titles every year and this oppressive development schedule is clearly taking a greater and greater toll. Too much growth can weaken a franchise.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 11, 2019, 01:32:25 AM
why do u always write pokemon like that >:(
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 11, 2019, 01:33:34 AM
The title has an accented E. It's the closest I can get to doing it correctly.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 11, 2019, 01:44:23 AM
Ctrl+Alt+E or AltGr+E doesn't do it for you?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 11, 2019, 01:59:06 AM
But...you write "you" as "u".

Unfortunately, due to my hiatus from the series jumping from gen 3 to 6, I missed a lot of the baggage that this guy's brought with him over those generations when they were new, like this gen 4 mining thing I've yet to try out or this Dream World business to get hidden abilities.  But while many of the previous things missing are important set pieces to the overall experience of playing each game and their removal is, well, pretty stupid, they never really messed with the core gameplay aspect.  What I do know is additions to the main combat system were a welcome change, but removing them after hyping them up and letting them get settled as a natural part of combat just makes me feel like this is less fun to play.  They want to emphasize "less is more" but the series' freaking foundation is collecting the biggest, well, collection, then do what you will.  And now that we know that core combat mechanics are viable to just poof up in smoke, there's little riding on looking forward to the whole dynamaxing mechanic, because it just as well can be gone next generation for the next shiny button to press, taking something else unrelated but enjoyed with it as well.  So I hope you're not too attached to that cake monster or blackbird with drones.

I think what probably would have made this whole debacle sell was if this was the spin-off and Let's Go wasn't a thing.  I suppose that game was a forerunner to this happening anyways, but I'm once again reminded of the Gamecube console games, as they had an extremely limited roster to chose from.  So they set up more interesting scenarios around that fact.  Heck, the first one prohibited wild Pokémon at all and if I recall correctly if you missed stealing one it was gone forever.  The sequel loosened up a little but its dead wasteland of a country didn't offer a whole heck of a lot.  Then they opened up for transferring everyone after for the 100-trainer survival challenge, but as a spin-off, I don't think people would have flipped out over Coliseum or XD missing some of the roster.  But I suppose that doesn't solve the underlying problem that they evidently want this to be considered "normal" for the mainstream title going forward.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 11, 2019, 02:01:46 AM
really genius observation there

if it isnt immediately obvious, im just messing around with arpa
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 11, 2019, 02:03:00 AM
Just remarking the irony is all.  Was hoping it was intentional.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 11, 2019, 02:08:40 AM
this is ridiculously offtopic but whatever. theres no correlation between the usage of "u" and "poke'mon." you dont sound as smart as you think. either way, lets end this little derail here and get back to arguing over the national dex.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on July 11, 2019, 02:16:14 AM
One thing is, do we know how many are returning and how many are new? Cause they better have a nice size roster of pokemon to catch, not too big but varied.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 11, 2019, 02:22:26 AM
...Rude, but sure, whatever.  Just thought it was funny like you were aiming for.  Sorry for peeving you.

I wish they would just list if not who is missing from the game, the general ballpark number or guidelines as to what they think apparently fits naturally in Britain.  I thought it would be Legendaries and Mythics, but we clearly have Mew and most likely the metal Ditto from Pokémon Go, so at the very least the Mythics.  And Mew would be odd without Mewtwo, especially if they allow transfer from the Let's Go games with their own limited roster.  They said they're focused on popular Pokémon, but then we have the "living object" monsters that are always divisive if not in the majority disliked.  I'm pretty sure brining up the full Pokedex I could come up with reasons why all of them could have some hypothetical reason to be findable in some manner, so....just give us something to work with.

TL;DR, what he said.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 11, 2019, 02:34:02 AM
I'm once again reminded of the Gamecube console games, as they had an extremely limited roster to chose from.  So they set up more interesting scenarios around that fact.  Heck, the first one prohibited wild Pokémon at all and if I recall correctly if you missed stealing one it was gone forever.  The sequel loosened up a little but its dead wasteland of a country didn't offer a whole heck of a lot.  Then they opened up for transferring everyone after for the 100-trainer survival challenge, but as a spin-off, I don't think people would have flipped out over Coliseum or XD missing some of the roster.

If you failed to catch a shadow Pokémon, it was always possible to get it again later on. The difference with these games is that while it wasn't possible to obtain the vast majority of Pokémon in-game, every single one of them from Gen I to Gen III could be transferred over and/or used in the Link Battle mode.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 11, 2019, 02:37:38 AM
I thought it was the sequel that had the trainer rematch, because you needed every Shadow Pokémon to eventually heal Lugia and finish the game?  Guess I remembered wrong.  Also forgot it had a player versus mode, so that kinda defeats my point I guess.  But yeah, while those back then did still let you use everyone, a title like those I don't think people would have been against the notion.  Something like SwSh here though?  It's just....wrong.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 11, 2019, 03:10:34 AM
Geez... still on about this National Dex issue... this is getting way out of whack. I think Masuda should've reconsidered on how to properly get the message out to the fans without causing any outrage or outcry or total confusion. Sometimes you say things you don't mean to say in a specific way and it just somehow ignited such a fire like this issue with the cut Pokemon and lack of National Dex. I mean, come on, it's just a game but I understand the feelings and comprehension of things differ from person to person.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 11, 2019, 03:41:52 AM
Like I said before, they way they've handled Pokemon over the years meant that it would eventually become too big to be sustainable.  There's simply too much content.  Regardless of how anyone feels about it one way or the other, this was always going to happen eventually. Ideally they would've wised up long before now and axed the idea of a national dex years ago before everyone came to assume it was a matter of course.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 11, 2019, 07:36:33 AM
First of all nobody questions Umezono and I's public sex acts.

But yeah with how tight the development schedules for these games have been getting, something had to give. Now, the only time I could see them locking out species from transfer without significant backlash would be X and Y where they had to redo everything with models...Which means unfortunately for Gamefreak people have been using X and Y as a basis for comparison as to how much they botched sword and shield. It's only gonna get worse once the game is released and god help the internet if data for all poke'mon is found in the games (I'm pretty sure it will be for a variety of reasons such as reference material and multiplayer with other games).

I am still sure gen 8 will eventually have all poke'mon compatible in one of its games. Give it a game or two and all Poke'mon will have been fully adapted to the Switch poke'mon engine so there will not be a reason to not just throw full compatibility in a game as its selling point to "win back the crowd".
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 11, 2019, 03:51:41 PM
Meanwhile, members of the National Dex movement have started a campaign to  demand that Junichi Masuda be fired over all of this. (https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-fans-demanding-junichi-masuda-to-resign-over-exclusion-of-national-dex/amp/)

While another member took to Twitter to accuse him of rape. (https://nintendosoup.com/bringbacknationaldex-supporter-slanders-junichi-masuda-with-rape-accusations/amp/)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction to your make-believe animal checklist not being as long as you would have preferred.

Okay, I confess that I was actually surprised that the angry fans went there. I understand that the fanbase was pretty crazy even before all of this, but was under the impression that there are a few restraining bolts that is keeping the insanity in check. Now, I think those bolts are long gone.

The angry fans needs to keep their more extreme insanity in check, because actions like these are never okay and it might undermine them in the long run. In fact, it would be beneficial if everyone take some time off from this Pokemon outrage before it consumes their very minds, because I have a feeling that the rage is consuming their sanity and self-control.

I was not in favor of the bad decisions that Game Freak made for this game, just as I am not in favor of the way she is behaving, however, some actions are totally depreciable, with no need to be made.

Note: Despite everything, I believe that this whole situation serves to show to Game Freak that the fanbase is not accepting anything more than they do, so I hope that from now on we can see things that really surprise. This is the first franchise game I'm not excited about playing.

Of course the current climate influences, but I did not see anything that was really attractive, because in one way or another, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are still the most complete versions, because in them you can have all Pokémon, Mega-Evolutions , Z-Moves among several other features that sustain the competitive environment.

I do think that a hostile and toxic fanbase (or even sections of said fanbase) can ruin or put a wet blanket on the enjoyment of any hobby or entertainment. I saw it many times and not just in Pokemon. I guess another reason why I am so calm about all of this is because I have divorced myself from the Pokemon fandom a long time ago for their toxic metagaming (Smogon Univeristy comes to mind), so I am very insulated from the whims and emotions of the greater Pokemon fandom. I prefer to enjoy things at my own pace.

One final note, I believe that even if Game Freak would like to delay Pokemon Sword/Shield's release, Nintendo would not allow it. Why? Because I am guessing that Nintendo needs to have a BIG system seller for the upcoming holiday season at the end of the year. Look at the list and tell me what other big name Switch game is getting released around November or December other than Pokemon.

I skimmed the list and there is not really a big first party game being released at that period of time other than Pokemon. So, unless Nintendo wants to sit this holiday season out (as if), Pokemon is getting released on time, and if it means not including a bunch of old features that no one really uses or eliminating a few Pokemon no one really likes (all relative of course), so be it.

The unfortunate price of business, I guess.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 11, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
Geez... still on about this National Dex issue... this is getting way out of whack. I think Masuda should've reconsidered on how to properly get the message out to the fans without causing any outrage or outcry or total confusion. Sometimes you say things you don't mean to say in a specific way and it just somehow ignited such a fire like this issue with the cut Pokemon and lack of National Dex. I mean, come on, it's just a game but I understand the feelings and comprehension of things differ from person to person.
Honestly, if they had just said it will happen later on, everything would be fine.

First of all nobody questions Umezono and I's public sex acts.
First of all, yes, we can, because in the other thread, you promised you'd get naked, but I didn't see a single ass.

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But yeah with how tight the development schedules for these games have been getting, something had to give. Now, the only time I could see them locking out species from transfer without significant backlash would be X and Y where they had to redo everything with models...Which means unfortunately for Gamefreak people have been using X and Y as a basis for comparison as to how much they botched sword and shield. It's only gonna get worse once the game is released and god help the internet if data for all poke'mon is found in the games (I'm pretty sure it will be for a variety of reasons such as reference material and multiplayer with other games).

I am still sure gen 8 will eventually have all poke'mon compatible in one of its games. Give it a game or two and all Poke'mon will have been fully adapted to the Switch poke'mon engine so there will not be a reason to not just throw full compatibility in a game as its selling point to "win back the crowd".
Here is the thing, though, its not just about the lack of Pokémon. You see, they said that the reason they're not adding all Pokémon from previous generations is because they were too busy making better animations, but when we look at Sword and Shield, all we see is reused stuff: reused models, reused animations (for both Pokémon and trainers, mind you), reused effects. So what the hell were they doing, then? And why can't all Pokémon be added if they're simply reusing stuff? Hell, when I saw the first trailer for the game that showed gameplay, the first thing that bothered me was the fact that the animations were the same, but then I thought "Hey, I guess with so many Pokémon is tough to reanimate everything" and then we find out that despite reusing everything, they're still not adding all Pokémon and they straight up lied to us saying we were to get better animations.

Then, there is the new mechanics. They removed Mega Evolution, which is a transformation that changes the shape of your Pokémon and gives it new stats and abilities, and added Dynamax, which gives stats and abilities to you Pokémon, but don't change their shape, only their size. Normally, I wouldn't have a problem with that, add a Mega Evolution-like mechanic that can be used on anyone, so you can try it on every Pokémon, fair enough, but then we find out that a mechanic that is very similar to the old removed one, and that is less detailed visually was all we got and in exchange we lost several Pokémon? What were they even doing these years? And even then, Gigantamax is basically that, except it changes the shape of your Pokémon and gives it a Z-Move (or G-Move, as its offically called), so basically, they added a new mechanic that works pretty much like the old one and act as if they're adding something new.

What upsets me isn't the removal of things per say, its the trade-off: we lost several Pokémon and two cool mechanics, and in exchange we get no new animations, nothing visually impressive at all, and mechanics that are way too similar to be treated as new. If they said they wanted to remove the National Dex, but the game had stuff like the animations of Pokémon Battle Revolution, for example (and the announcer, which I loved), I'd have no problem whatsoever, but what we're getting is simply not worth what we're losing.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on July 12, 2019, 05:31:52 AM
Meanwhile, members of the National Dex movement have started a campaign to  demand that Junichi Masuda be fired over all of this. (https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-fans-demanding-junichi-masuda-to-resign-over-exclusion-of-national-dex/amp/)

While another member took to Twitter to accuse him of rape. (https://nintendosoup.com/bringbacknationaldex-supporter-slanders-junichi-masuda-with-rape-accusations/amp/)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction to your make-believe animal checklist not being as long as you would have preferred.

Okay, I confess that I was actually surprised that the angry fans went there. I understand that the fanbase was pretty crazy even before all of this, but was under the impression that there are a few restraining bolts that is keeping the insanity in check. Now, I think those bolts are long gone.

The angry fans needs to keep their more extreme insanity in check, because actions like these are never okay and it might undermine them in the long run. In fact, it would be beneficial if everyone take some time off from this Pokemon outrage before it consumes their very minds, because I have a feeling that the rage is consuming their sanity and self-control.

I was not in favor of the bad decisions that Game Freak made for this game, just as I am not in favor of the way she is behaving, however, some actions are totally depreciable, with no need to be made.

Note: Despite everything, I believe that this whole situation serves to show to Game Freak that the fanbase is not accepting anything more than they do, so I hope that from now on we can see things that really surprise. This is the first franchise game I'm not excited about playing.

Of course the current climate influences, but I did not see anything that was really attractive, because in one way or another, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are still the most complete versions, because in them you can have all Pokémon, Mega-Evolutions , Z-Moves among several other features that sustain the competitive environment.

I do think that a hostile and toxic fanbase (or even sections of said fanbase) can ruin or put a wet blanket on the enjoyment of any hobby or entertainment. I saw it many times and not just in Pokemon. I guess another reason why I am so calm about all of this is because I have divorced myself from the Pokemon fandom a long time ago for their toxic metagaming (Smogon Univeristy comes to mind), so I am very insulated from the whims and emotions of the greater Pokemon fandom. I prefer to enjoy things at my own pace.

One final note, I believe that even if Game Freak would like to delay Pokemon Sword/Shield's release, Nintendo would not allow it. Why? Because I am guessing that Nintendo needs to have a BIG system seller for the upcoming holiday season at the end of the year. Look at the list and tell me what other big name Switch game is getting released around November or December other than Pokemon.

I skimmed the list and there is not really a big first party game being released at that period of time other than Pokemon. So, unless Nintendo wants to sit this holiday season out (as if), Pokemon is getting released on time, and if it means not including a bunch of old features that no one really uses or eliminating a few Pokemon no one really likes (all relative of course), so be it.

The unfortunate price of business, I guess.

I've been sitting back and rather enjoying this dumpster fire of a thread. Full disclosure, I have no personal investment in the poke-mans. I was too old for it back when it was released when I was like 14-ish.

I have to say though, that this post is probably tho most realistic and accurate post in the whole damn thread. Of course Nintendo is going to push through the release for the holiday, and no amount of bitching from a bunch of angry 20-30 somethings is going to stop them from releasing their flagship children's toy for Christmas.

Now I hate to break this to a lot of you super pissed of fanboys buuuuut....

....you aren't the target audience anymore. womp womp. Mommy and Daddy are, when they buy the pokemons for little jimmy this december.

I say as if ANY of you aren't going to buy this game on day 1.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 12, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
New trailer in Japan



Lapras, Mawile, the Mareanie and Ferroseed lines are confirmed to be in Galar. Geez, stall is gonna get a lot more hate from me that's for sure.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 12, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
Your hate only makes it all the more satisfying for us stall players to watch your pets struggle uselessly as they wither and die. Now if they confirm Skarmory, Cresselia, and the Chansey line I'll...still be in no hurry to get these games but I'll at least smile.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 12, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
Your hate only makes it all the more satisfying for us stall players to watch your pets struggle uselessly as they wither and die.
You just got yourself a spot on my invisible list of blacklisted players.

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on July 12, 2019, 03:26:12 PM
Well, Hydreigon is back to once again be demolished by a fairy, and a giant fairy cake of all things.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 12, 2019, 05:28:35 PM
Your hate only makes it all the more satisfying for us stall players to watch your pets struggle uselessly as they wither and die. Now if they confirm Skarmory, Cresselia, and the Chansey line I'll...still be in no hurry to get these games but I'll at least smile.
I doubt they'd keep those three out, they're really damn popular.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on July 12, 2019, 06:28:07 PM
You just got yourself a spot on my invisible list of blacklisted players.
That happens to me a lot.

Well, Hydreigon is back to once again be demolished by a fairy, and a giant fairy cake of all things.
but Zweilous makes a great pet Poke'mon. That thing is sooo precious <3. A shame they won't bring back the HG/SS/Lets Go pokemon following you around thing. That would be animation work that would more than justify transfer locking.



Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on July 13, 2019, 11:11:23 AM

Sometimes it makes me wonder why those Chinese devs put so much effort and soul in a game than the official one...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 13, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
willing to bet that game has like 50 pokemon in it currently
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 13, 2019, 04:27:54 PM
willing to bet that game has like 50 pokemon in it currently
And new animations instead of re-used ones.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on July 13, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
yeah for 50 pokemon lol
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on July 13, 2019, 09:23:42 PM
That game seems perfect for a game that ONLY focus on story mode like most JRPGs, not exactly for something that requiere 800+ mons.

But, gotta say would be nice that the shaders were similar, those saturated anime colors and non-particle based effects looks fine, better than the official one.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on July 13, 2019, 11:29:36 PM
I've seen YouTube comments about that Chinese game's animations mostly just being re-rigging the X/Y models to animations from a past Digimon game, but got me on which one.  Not Cyber Sleuth or Digimon World, that much I can say.  Though I wouldn't put it past them as long as it's a bootleg anyways, and that guitar for Gengar out of nowhere, clipping through it too for that matter, sounds like something stolen from the Etemon line of Digimon, not that I have them all memorized.  Also that whole thing with Greninja really looks like something I've seen from a Naruto game at some point, both the actual execution and the failed one they showed in the menu.

I'm sure some of it was hand made, though, or at least replicating something prior.  I think that Magnamite death with the magnets detaching was from Stadium and that Electro Ball for Pikachu looks vaguely familiar as well.

Random thought process, late to the whole thing now anyways but still, I was just thinking about how Game Freak likely made separate different models for all the Pokémon when dynamaxing, likely citing a necessity due to upscaling the previous models without increasing polycount would look bad.  But....we have Pokémon Go saying otherwise.  Pokémon Go uses the same models the 3DS does and upscales them similarly for raids.  We already know they look fine in blown up proportions, no?  The ones from Sword and Shield just now have clouds and a red tint added to them.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on July 14, 2019, 02:40:23 PM
The expectations for graphical fidelity of low-cost mobile phone games and full blown console releases are vastly different.  Nobody expects high-end graphics from an app they downloaded for free, so Pokemon Go can get away with it whereas a proper console title that costs full retail price can't.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 14, 2019, 02:44:03 PM
While it's kinda cherrypicking a good statement vs. a bad statement, it still represents their views and the resulting product.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/549755539236847657/599700803363667968/543.png)

There's a reason people consider HG/SS to be the best Pokémon game, whereas OR/AS felt a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Akito on July 14, 2019, 03:12:39 PM
While it's kinda cherrypicking a good statement vs. a bad statement, it still represents their views and the resulting product.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/549755539236847657/599700803363667968/543.png)

There's a reason people consider HG/SS to be the best Pokémon game, whereas OR/AS felt a bit disappointing.

You're right.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 14, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
While it's kinda cherrypicking a good statement vs. a bad statement, it still represents their views and the resulting product.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/549755539236847657/599700803363667968/543.png)

There's a reason people consider HG/SS to be the best Pokémon game, whereas OR/AS felt a bit disappointing.
Yeah, "we didn't put something in the game because we didn't think people would play said game", like, what kind of stupid ass logic for a game developer, specially one developing a big franchise like Pokémon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on August 05, 2019, 05:57:41 PM
https://gematsu.com/2019/08/pokemon-sword-and-shield-news-coming-august-7

More news are coming August 7.
Get ready for "another dissapointment by GF".
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 05, 2019, 06:31:58 PM
My body is ready.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on August 05, 2019, 06:56:21 PM
I just want to see more of the new Pokemon, granted that would kill a bit of the exploration BUT atleast want to see 20 before release.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 06, 2019, 02:26:04 AM
It's probably the official reveal of Impidimp and showcasing what types Zacian and Zamazenta are.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on August 07, 2019, 03:41:09 PM


Galarian forms confirmed with Weezing, Zigzagoon, amd Linoone receiving new formes.  Linoone has a new evolution: Obstagoon.

Morpeko is the regional Pikachu with the Ability changing forms.

Team Yell confirmed to be the new team with them being obsessive fans of Marnie.  Bede is another NPC the Protagonist will encounter.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: drewski90 on August 07, 2019, 04:27:48 PM
quick question: What's the difference between alolan forms and galarian forms aside from them being religion exclusive?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on August 07, 2019, 04:47:07 PM
quick question: What's the difference between alolan forms and galarian forms aside from them being religion exclusive?
Galarian forms have exclusive evolutions, apparently.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on August 07, 2019, 05:54:19 PM
So Zigzagoon went to Kiss member, huh.
Too bad regular Linoone can't evolve.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on August 07, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
quick question: What's the difference between alolan forms and galarian forms aside from them being religion exclusive?
Galarian forms have exclusive evolutions, apparently.

Yup, I love, love, LOVE the Zigzagoon line to death, and to see them get a variant line AND a new evolution as well....YES. It seems as though there really isn't going to be a "evil" team per se this time around, and they only just want to see Marnie win at any cost. It's a nice reveal video and satisfies that itch for me at least.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on August 07, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
quick question: What's the difference between alolan forms and galarian forms aside from them being religion exclusive?
Galarian forms have exclusive evolutions, apparently.

Yup, I love, love, LOVE the Zigzagoon line to death, and to see them get a variant line AND a new evolution as well....YES. It seems as though there really isn't going to be a "evil" team per se this time around, and they only just want to see Marnie win at any cost. It's a nice reveal video and satisfies that itch for me at least.
Its really a shame that the regular versions aren't getting new forms, some of them likely need it. Regardless, don't be so sure about the evil team, in the Gen 7 games, it felt like Team Skull was the main bad guy at first, but then we found out it was actually the pretty looking group with no "Team" in its name.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on August 07, 2019, 07:08:49 PM
I love Galarian Weezing.  Looks like an industrial revolution-era factory manager.  Very “pip pip cheerio old chap.”

Bede’s giving me hope we’ll finally have an asshole rival again.  Pokémon needs fewer friendly best buddy rivals and more Gary Motherfucking Oak.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on August 07, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
I love Galarian Weezing.  Looks like an industrial revolution-era factory manager.  Very “pip pip cheerio old chap.”

Bede’s giving me hope we’ll finally have an asshole rival again.  Pokémon needs fewer friendly best buddy rivals and more Gary Motherfucking Oak.
I don't think anyone will ever be like Blue was, but yeah, I'm quite tired of the bff rivals as well, Hau's excessive happiness got annoying really quick, and Gladion failed to balance that with his edginess.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on August 07, 2019, 07:41:01 PM
OMG! I love Obstagoon design!

Tho... Would´ve liked that keeped Gluttony as ability to keep using Belly Drum and Extreme Speed just like with regular Linoone, but with increased bulk and one extra Stab Dark Move due evolution.

Reckless... Yeah no, sounds pointless since Guts + Facade does better{?} and its more easy to pull off with Flame Orb.

But totally a keeper in my book tho! Specialy if someone can learn either Knock Off or Sucker Punch to do mean stuff.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on August 07, 2019, 07:43:52 PM
Wasn't there a list of Galarian forms leaked some time ago? I'd like to check that one, because if it got Weezing and the Zigzagoon line right, we may already know who comes next.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2019, 12:07:55 AM
The Japanese trailer has a new feature that for some reason they didn't see fit to mention in the international one.



Something called Poke Jobs.  Looks like some sort of mechanic where you can rent your squad out as part-timers for EXP and rewards.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on August 08, 2019, 02:11:01 AM
So the islands you'd send them out to in Sun/Moon under a different name?

Like the new Weezing, but I like the old Weezing plenty already, this is just stupid but the right amount of stupid where it's funny.  Not really impressed with the Zigzagoon line, not entirely sure why, nice idea executed well and I'm a KISS fan, but it's good to have confirmation on one; they're adding new evolutions to previous lines and two; the regional forms will not be limited to generation 1 again.  Music shown off this trailer sounds very Kirby-esque, odd choice but sure, why not.  I like the consistency with Team Skull again with Team Yell using Nest Balls to imply they're not good enough trainers to catch anything beyond weak pokemon.

Morpeko feels...incomplete.  Its natural state is split half and half light and dark, and the form change only showed the dark half.  Feels like the other half should get a form change as well, certainly would not be the first pokemon with multiple forms to switch to mid-battle.

Still can't say this restores much if any hype for the game, since it will still feel like an incomplete product, but whatever.  Also seeing that Rotom companion again in the Japanese trailer is like a hot poker to the eye.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on August 16, 2019, 11:52:18 PM
New abilities, attacks, held items:



Interesting that they show off team battles with  Dynamaxed 'mons alongside regular ones.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on August 17, 2019, 03:46:18 AM
Ok, so i´ll just put Weezindome with Regigigas and Slaking for Doubles.

I like this idea.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on August 17, 2019, 03:59:27 AM
Oh damn, that's true......cause Slaking is a beast, just bogged down with that ability. Yeah everybody will want to play with doubles now with a Galarian Wheezing on their team.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 17, 2019, 04:08:37 AM
Doubles' gonna be interesting. I'm definitely gonna get that HA Corviknight because screw Icy Wind, screw Scary Face and other stat reducing moves the story NPCs love using. I wonder what type Breaking Swipe is... hopefully it's not a weak move.

Galarian Weezing's gonna be somewhat OP but then again, its ability negates its allies too so it's a risky take but I definitely rather have Neutralizing Gas Galarian Weezing over Levitate.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on August 17, 2019, 05:15:16 AM
One of the thing that crossed my mind; what if Regigigas countdown is still active but doesn´t take effect even with Weezing around, or once Weezing dies the abilities that requiere activation doesn´t start {Like Intimidante}

A pokemon with better base stats than most ubers and can hold an item, huehuehuehue and have a decent offensive moveset.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on August 17, 2019, 05:50:42 AM
Ok, so i´ll just put Weezindome with Regigigas and Slaking for Doubles.

I like this idea.
This is why Slaking and Regigigas aren't coming to Galar.  It's like the devs knew they would be busted with this ability, heh.

(And a thought came as to how would they function in Dynamax alongide Galar Weezing.  Scary.)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on August 17, 2019, 06:22:21 AM
(And a thought came as to how would they function in Dynamax alongide Galar Weezing.  Scary.)

Doesn´t matter really, the ability was made, Regigigas and Slaking may or may not appear here, but maybe in another game.

They still need to cash-in with remakes.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on August 17, 2019, 06:39:59 AM
Awww, there goes that dream.....but this gives rom hackers ideas!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 17, 2019, 05:04:48 PM
Even if they're not in SwSh, you'll be able to demo this on Showdown.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on August 17, 2019, 06:21:53 PM
Even if they're not in SwSh, you'll be able to demo this on Showdown.

Seeya at Showdown Pokeboi
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 17, 2019, 10:56:56 PM
I'll blacklist you from my invisible list of challengers if you dare attempt that on me numerous times.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: k6666orochi on August 20, 2019, 03:17:20 PM
:)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on August 20, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
Gamefreak includes ability to pet Wooloos, uncertain why no players have managed to make it past first town.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on August 20, 2019, 05:28:08 PM
Gamefreak includes ability to pet Wooloos, uncertain why no players have managed to make it past first town.

I'm gonna pet the ever loving shit out of Wooloo.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 17, 2019, 10:41:41 PM
New info for Sword/Shield coming tomorrow 9 AM. It's focused on that glitched Pokemon shown a few days ago.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 17, 2019, 11:56:07 PM
I'd like it to be Porygon related, but it's probably Rotom related.  Or at least hopefully something completely new, not that we need another digital pokemon, but Rotom is just....so awful.  Thanks for that, Sun and Moon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 18, 2019, 12:46:09 AM
Rotom is cool. I wonder if they would make an actual glitch-themed Pokémon as a reference to MissingNo..
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 18, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
It's Sirfetch'd. Rotate the glitched image 90 degrees and you'll see a grey duck with a sword that looks like a leek, and a shield.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on September 18, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
The leeks were true

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: hatter on September 18, 2019, 04:40:01 PM
Fuck yeah, Farfetch'd finally getting some love from Game Freak.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on September 18, 2019, 06:23:21 PM
I absolutely love that smugass mofo.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on September 18, 2019, 06:53:41 PM
Okay, that is another pokemon I want on my team.

Edit: Holy shit, the japanese trailer is making it even better! But yeah, anybody wanting him better get Sword since he is exclusive to that version. Or at the very least get somebody to trade him to you.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 18, 2019, 08:37:46 PM
It only took six seasons for Farfetch'd to get the evolution he needed.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on September 18, 2019, 08:55:44 PM
It only took six seasons for Farfetch'd to get the evolution he needed.

Better late than never.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 18, 2019, 09:02:34 PM
It only took six seasons for Farfetch'd to get the evolution he needed.

Better late than never.
Yup. Now that he is dealt with, lets see if others, like Luvdisc, will get a similar treatment.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on September 18, 2019, 10:34:26 PM
It only took six seasons for Farfetch'd to get the evolution he needed.

Better late than never.
Yup. Now that he is dealt with, lets see if others, like Luvdisc, will get a similar treatment.

Which is cool that they are giving some pokemon the look at for some better treatment.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 18, 2019, 11:25:07 PM
welp, guess i'm gonna have to get the game now.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 19, 2019, 12:13:58 AM
Hm, partially correct, it was Rotom causing the glitch, just not the reveal pokemon.  I guess this means I have use for my shiny Farfetch'd now.  What an odd duck though, going from Normal/Flying to pure Fighting, have we had a dual-type evolve into a mono-type before?  There is Protean Greninja of course, but that's a whole separate deal.

Its unique move is a Flying-type Hyper Beam, which traditionally outside gen 1's broken competitive scene is fairly useless from what I've seen, so that's a bit of a shame.  Ah well.  Wonder what the Shield equivalent will be?  I'd say Shuckle being primarily defense oriented but I seem to recall they deliberately avoided giving him an evolution because a hypothetically eviolite holding Shuckle was statistically pretty broken or something?  Been a while, pretty sure that was a fanbase consensus rather than anything official anyways.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 19, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
Dunsparce.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 19, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Delibird. (I wish.)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: CrashmanX on September 24, 2019, 12:24:31 AM
I don't think the shield equivalent will be Shuckle. It's already got a crazy niche. I'd wager more likely something like Tauros. It hasn't had any thing since Gen 1.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 24, 2019, 01:34:21 AM
A defensive bull otherwise known for its offensive use in gen 1 and weird access to the like of higher-tier attacks like Blizzard and whatnot would be a rather unusual I'd say.  Dunsparce would be more believable but is that breed of snake or similar mythology even found in the U.K. to expect it to be in the game?

Because, you know, we have to deal with that stupidity now with the cut roster.

Not that I wouldn't mind something new for Tauros, just I don't picture it being the opposite of Farfetch'd.  Oh right, and Tauros already has a pairing, it goes with Miltank.  Anything new pertaining to Tauros would probably involve Miltank as well.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 24, 2019, 01:58:20 AM
I really don't want Dunsparce to get an evolution, I want by baby weakling to stay my baby weakling. Also, while a Pokémon most likely will get an evolution as a counterpart of Sirfetch'd, I wouldn't discard other old gen Pokémon getting evolutions regardless of version.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ricepigeon on September 24, 2019, 06:15:08 PM
Oh right, and Tauros already has a pairing, it goes with Miltank.  Anything new pertaining to Tauros would probably involve Miltank as well.

Then explain why Slowbro got a Mega Evolution while Slowking didn't? :smirk:

Anyway, glad to see that they're finally taking cross-gen evolutions seriously again and not just a one-off thing like what they did with Sylveon in gen 6.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on September 24, 2019, 06:59:00 PM
Speaking of which, I wonder if Eevee will get another evolution.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on September 24, 2019, 09:56:08 PM
Probably a Steel type. Or Poison.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 24, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
I want these Pokemon to either get a Galarian form or an evolution: Mightyena (Either), Dunsparce (Evo), Cherrim (Galarian), Sudowoodo (Evo), Smeargle (Evo), Arcanine (Galarian), Luvdisc (Evo), Druddigon (Galarian)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on September 25, 2019, 12:01:03 AM
Then explain why Slowbro got a Mega Evolution while Slowking didn't? :smirk:
Huh?  Slowking is an alternative evolution branch, not a pairing.  A pairing would be rivaling pokemon not of the same species, like Pinsir and Heracross are.  That said, it was bizarre Slowking never got a Mega evolution, and now that they've dropped it for a Super Mushroom mechanic, kind of a bit late now.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on October 05, 2019, 12:20:26 AM
There's a 24 hour stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya3CyVN5S_w) going on right now for SwSh.  It's being presented as one of those nature-cam videos with a static camera pointed at a region in Galar.  What that practically amounts to is that they've been streaming for 10 hours and have shown approximately 3 minutes worth of actual footage.

Although they've been teasing what is clearly a Galarian Ponyta (https://clips.twitch.tv/AssiduousGeniusShingleVoteYea) that straight up looks exactly like Princess Celestia, so that's pretty cool.

:EDIT:  Oh my gosh it's so freaking cute!

(https://i.redd.it/rcb1nx8f0qq31.jpg)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on October 05, 2019, 06:18:43 PM
Imagine spending 24 hours staring at almost nothing with the only thing actually notable is a new form of an old Pokemon. Real nature streams actually have something that's constantly happening even if it's mostly nothing interesting. That's how nature works. Staring at a 3d space that they didn't even bother animating besides some rare Pokemon that appeared is not even remotely comparable.

Also when will they stop teasing Impidimp? We already knew about it for months.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on October 05, 2019, 06:37:56 PM
Imagine spending 24 hours staring at almost nothing with the only thing actually notable is a new form of an old Pokemon. Real nature streams actually have something that's constantly happening even if it's mostly nothing interesting. That's how nature works. Staring at a 3d space that they didn't even bother animating besides some rare Pokemon that appeared is not even remotely comparable.

Also when will they stop teasing Impidimp? We already knew about it for months.
wow gotta hand it to ya, i didnt think anyone would find a way to complain about this, but you did
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on October 05, 2019, 06:43:45 PM
I mean, he's not entirely wrong.  I was intermittently checking out the stream and they really would go 30-45 minutes with literally nothing happening other than maybe an audio clip of Morelull's cry.  It was a novel concept, but not terribly effective in practice.

On the other hand, we got rainbow unicorns now which are just objectively delightful.  I hope Galarian Rapidash turns out to be an alicorn.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on October 05, 2019, 06:54:02 PM
On the other hand, we got rainbow unicorns now which are just objectively delightful.  I hope Galarian Rapidash turns out to be an alicorn.

How much you bet G´Rapidash is a Fairy type, which is basically all needed to be useful since already have 105 speed base {if don´t change it} aka faster than most Dragons.

... Not into this, but a pegasus would be kinda neat.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: hatter on October 05, 2019, 06:57:10 PM
From the looks of it, it's going to be a Fairy-type most definitely, but I wonder if they'll keep the Fire-typing or either straight up remove it, or replace it with some other typing. I'd say they'll remove it, but I'll wait and see.

Nice to see the Ponyta line be appreciated, hopefully they'll make a new Galarian evolution for the line as well.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on October 05, 2019, 07:00:59 PM
Imagine spending 24 hours staring at almost nothing with the only thing actually notable is a new form of an old Pokemon. Real nature streams actually have something that's constantly happening even if it's mostly nothing interesting. That's how nature works. Staring at a 3d space that they didn't even bother animating besides some rare Pokemon that appeared is not even remotely comparable.

Also when will they stop teasing Impidimp? We already knew about it for months.
wow gotta hand it to ya, i didnt think anyone would find a way to complain about this, but you did

Even Joe, the huge Gamefreak shill that he is, was complaining about this pointless livestream. I'm not some unique individual who's the only person in the world who found this stupid. The stream itself had more than 12000 dislikes back when I checked during the stream.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 05, 2019, 07:15:36 PM
Imagine spending 24 hours staring at almost nothing with the only thing actually notable is a new form of an old Pokemon. Real nature streams actually have something that's constantly happening even if it's mostly nothing interesting. That's how nature works. Staring at a 3d space that they didn't even bother animating besides some rare Pokemon that appeared is not even remotely comparable.

Also when will they stop teasing Impidimp? We already knew about it for months.
wow gotta hand it to ya, i didnt think anyone would find a way to complain about this, but you did
Maybe some things have good reasons to be complained about. A 24h stream and all we got was a Galarian form, even though there was potential for several other reveals in such a long time. Nice concept, shit execution.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on October 05, 2019, 08:09:01 PM
Honestly, i can see where Mgbenz is coming from.

On the one hand, its a interesting way for a reveal(which follows the Sirfetched reveal) and kudos of GF of trying to jazz up their reveals this time.
On the other hand, it was around 23 hours of fucking Nothing

If they really wanted to make it interesting, they would of added some more Pokemon, maybe some battles etc.
Instead we got a 24 hour screensaver with only 1 thing of note.

Shoutout to the people who actually made it through 24 hours though. I barely made it past 20 mins
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on October 05, 2019, 08:26:10 PM
From the looks of it, it's going to be a Fairy-type most definitely, but I wonder if they'll keep the Fire-typing or either straight up remove it, or replace it with some other typing. I'd say they'll remove it, but I'll wait and see.

I hope they keep it, Fire/Fairy, you know, to get rid of Steel-types.
The only problem is the stats, 100 Atk vs 80 S.ATK, and theres not a powerful physical Fairy-Type move outside of "Play Rough" which is just base 90.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on October 05, 2019, 08:37:56 PM
They'll probably buff it like they did the Alolan forms(iirc didnt Ponyta get buffed in Lets Go?)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on October 05, 2019, 09:54:47 PM
On the other hand, it was around 23 hours of fucking Nothing
More like 23 hours and 53 minutes (https://youtu.be/vIddr2Q5Ou8?t=42)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 06, 2019, 12:03:22 AM
Oh darn, I wanted to throw my two cents on how stupid the stream ended up being but we've already got it covered.

If anything my first thought on the new Ponyta was less MLP and more the rainbow diamond horse from Borderlands.  But pick your poison, either or it's nice for something new for the pokemon.  The rainbow thing turning on and off however immediately gave me Typhlosion flashbacks to how piss-poor its transition to 3D completely neutered its cool look by removing its flame collar except when attacking.  Hopefully they keep the horse lit up in battle, we've already seen coloration and lighting differences between wild pokemon/pokemon-amie and their battle forms with the likes of Xerneas.

Also I don't know about you guys but leaving that stream running up in the background of doing other things, the music to that forest sounded much like the opening to FF VII, but only, like, the first minute and a half of it prior to the trumpets coming in.


Kept instinctively expecting footsteps somewhere in the stream when the music looped.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on October 09, 2019, 06:37:07 PM
G.Ponyta is pure psychic, Shield exclusive.

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on October 09, 2019, 06:50:35 PM
Kinda feel dissapointed TBH, did wanted to be a Fairy type to pick one finally.

By pure typing and more likely similar stats, don´t see any reason to pick this one over other Psychic types asides from maybe the look.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Shadic12 on October 09, 2019, 07:38:29 PM
When it evolves its probably going to be Psychic/Fairy just like alohan vulpix which was a pure Ice type unless it was already an ice/fairy before it evolved into ninetales.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 09, 2019, 09:02:23 PM
Good point, we have seen Ponyta, but we didn't see Rapidash yet.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on October 16, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
New GMax forms for Pikachu, Eevee, Charizard, Butterfree, Meowth



A longcat reference in current year.  Will wonders never cease.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Marnie on October 16, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
But why always Kanto, why not pokemon from other regions?
First Ponyta and Farfetch'd and now this...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on October 16, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
Look at me actually giving Gamefreak the benefit of the doubt that they've stopped with the Kanto pandering but I guess I was wrong for even giving a little of it. Seeing OG chubby Pikachu is great I guess. I liked the long cat idea for Meowth but they literally just elongated its torso without changing anything which is disappointing.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 16, 2019, 06:31:24 PM
Hiding the Pikachu and Eevee forms behind paywalls of owning the Let's Go games sounds scummy, but until the game's actually out, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that this can also be found regularly in game in some form, or at the very least can be bred ad nauseum and traded off on this game's wonder trade equivalent.  We had this issue with the orange Lycanroc too last generation.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on October 16, 2019, 07:23:43 PM
I'm so tired to see Kanto Pokemon keep getting a form or something!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on October 16, 2019, 07:33:29 PM
To be fair, many Kanto Pokémon needed buffs or evolutions, people asked for a Farfetch'd evolution for ages. Pokémon like Arbok could also use one, but when they add a lot of shit to Gen I Pokémon and ignore others who need those things (Luvdisc could use a powerful evolution, just like Magikarp and Feebas evolve into Gyarados and Milotic), then we have a pandering problem. I understand Gen I is the original one, but considering the ammount of crap Pokémon from that gen, I don't see what is so special.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on October 16, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
But why always Kanto, why not pokemon from other regions?
First Ponyta and Farfetch'd and now this...

There is that new Zigzagoon evolution, to be fair.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on October 16, 2019, 09:14:34 PM
Even the normies are getting sick of the Kanto pandering judging by the comments and number of dislikes on the trailer.

But why always Kanto, why not pokemon from other regions?
First Ponyta and Farfetch'd and now this...

There is that new Zigzagoon evolution, to be fair.


One single non-Kanto variant out of every other Galar and Dynamax form being Kanto. Very encouraging.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Marnie on October 16, 2019, 10:54:03 PM
To be fair, many Kanto Pokémon needed buffs or evolutions

Some of them got buffed in gen 6 and 7 with Megas and Alolan Form respectively. Of course you can't please everyone but since Garchomp got a mega and Flygon not for example, I'm still waiting for a new Flygon form (which probably won't happen), not to mention a lot of other pokemon. Seeing Kanto all the time is getting too 'tiresome' imo...

Obstagoon by far was the coolest thing from this game involving existing pokemon until now.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 17, 2019, 01:32:11 AM
It's odd too that GF loves pandering to Kanto's pokemon, but has completely dropped the ball on progressing its story.  We actually had a perfect set-up going from Sun/Moon to Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee to follow Lillie and Lusamine and explore the region 20 years after Red/Blue, as compared to Gold/Silver being 2 years after and the Ultra games were their own separate timeline like ORAS compared to the original Ruby and Sapphire.  A whole new story about Lusamine's mental health and the path her daughter takes on her own in a modern updating to an old region.  And, well...we did, but we also sure didn't.  We got Pokémon Yellow 20 years later, doing the exact same plot beats for no discernable reason as Red/Blue while acknowledging the previous original game events also took place, it's not just a modern-day reboot.  It just didn't care.

I wouldn't even mind if they did give some extra love to the original 151 because yeah, the majority of them are favorites of mine because they were the first, but it's legit ONLY the pokemon they care about, not the rest of the world.  Which oh boy, I'm tempted to see them contradict that by removing some of those 151 from the roster.  Complete the circle on putting half a heart into things.

I guess I'm slightly happy something happened to Butterfree, but like most people have resigned to, who cares, it'll be gone in a year or two.  Would have preferred a Mega to go with Beedrill.  At least outcry might bring those back.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 17, 2019, 03:47:28 AM
I see giant Pikachu and I immediately want it, because I am in awe at the size of the Pikachu!

It's odd too that GF loves pandering to Kanto's pokemon, but has completely dropped the ball on progressing its story. 

I'll be completely honest, was the story anything people expect from a Pokemon game? The story in almost all Pokemon games are practically the same: mad lad/lass sets off on an adventure with their starter Pokemon to be a Pokemon Master by catching Pokemon, defeating Gym Leaders, gaining badges, defeating whatever evil-doing organization that happens to plague the area, and defeat the Elite 4 and the Champion.

No matter how many times the set repeats itself, it suits Pokemon just fine.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on October 17, 2019, 04:10:18 AM
When you set up clues to an overarching story and do not follow up on it, yes, regardless if it's Pokémon or not.  They laid out a storyline going forward, then did not follow up on it at the most obvious time to do so.  I expect what they set up to be followed up on.  Not even expecting it to be good or bad, complex or simple, just addressed.  And they're the one making all these needless details like the branching timelines for remakes, then just giving up on caring about them like in the case of Let's Go.  Which I would be fine writing off as side-game nonsense, but no, they want to count it as a main title so it's held up to those standards.

You'd just figure compounding this even more is it's all focused on their singular devotion that is Kanto, but no.

Anyways, enough about story bits that will be left with eternal "to be continued..." endings, it seems to me of the Let's Go players Eevee got the short end of the stick here.  Pikachu's big form lets its affect Ground types with its big Electric attack, Eevee just gets multi-targeting Attract.  Oof.  I guess this evens out Partner Eevee steamrolling Partner Pikachu's usage in the Let's Go games.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on October 17, 2019, 09:26:34 AM
Charizard having a G-Max is a good thing because Gamefreak is aware that its megas finally made it meta relevant and a lot of people enjoyed that. Charizard is absolute trash without megas so it needed something to compensate. Butterfree I'm cool with too because it's like an opposite day thing with Mega Beedrill. The rest is just meh whatever. Still not really demanding my full interest.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Bane84 on November 02, 2019, 11:32:16 PM
Final starter evolutions:
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Who will you be choosing?
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Post by: Umezono on November 03, 2019, 07:33:35 AM
they all look like shit
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Post by: Mgbenz on November 03, 2019, 09:52:27 AM
The leaker has been playing the game and posting stuff on /vp/. This gen has been pretty good with bug Pokemon. Pretty cool new ones especially the...
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Here's a picture of all the Pokemon they revealed so far. Massive spoilers of course.

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Post by: Ex☆Cham on November 03, 2019, 10:03:09 AM
This just made me be 100 be sure to pick Scorbunny as starter.

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 03, 2019, 01:43:31 PM
Spoilers have been dropped and the game is set to release in two weeks.

I guess that means no more peeking into this thread until then.

On another note, why are leaks keep on happening?
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Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 03, 2019, 06:22:03 PM
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Post by: R565 on November 03, 2019, 07:28:39 PM
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 03, 2019, 09:28:47 PM
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Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2019, 09:44:04 PM
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Post by: R565 on November 03, 2019, 11:17:49 PM
Spoiler: Adding to the leaks (click to see content)
Welp, no more leaks because someone found out their identity. Actually, I don't know looking into this as we speak. Maybe the other's can help cause I am getting tired.
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Post by: Person Man on November 04, 2019, 02:23:12 AM
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 04, 2019, 04:39:54 AM
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 04, 2019, 02:25:45 PM
Question: was the evil team already shown?
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Post by: Kirishima on November 04, 2019, 03:44:15 PM
Spoiler: Full Dex (click to see content)
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Post by: Mgbenz on November 04, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Spoiler: Dex and Story Spoilers (click to see content)
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 04, 2019, 05:49:28 PM
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 04, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 04, 2019, 06:29:55 PM
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Post by: Alpaca-San on November 04, 2019, 06:32:28 PM
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Post by: 1Ultima on November 04, 2019, 06:45:47 PM
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Post by: Person Man on November 04, 2019, 07:07:48 PM
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 04, 2019, 07:13:49 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on November 04, 2019, 07:25:29 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 04, 2019, 07:35:26 PM
Dude, you are allowed to like having less, as confusing as it is.  But obviously in a game of forming unique combinations, removing choices results in a negative reaction.  Nobody's crying bloody murder about the new guys, but some of them clearly are here to just be replacements for the missing ones without fully filling in that gap.  And once that high of messing with the new ones goes away, you'll be left with less reason to return because they don't cover all the missing spots.

You are allowed to make more than one team of 6.  I have dozens of monsters I rotate in use, regardless of maximum potential of winning online or whatever, just because the stupid monster's cool, I like it.  Now you're not even allowed to do that, unless they're deemed worthy by Game Freak.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on November 04, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Umezono on November 04, 2019, 09:03:07 PM
There’s a disappointing lack of content but lol the game isn’t even out yet and people are acting as if they got scammed. If you don’t want to play it don’t buy it, p simple
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Post by: Kirishima on November 04, 2019, 09:04:31 PM
I'm gonna reserve a bit of judgement until datamining and Home news come up.  That said, I am not too thrilled with what's provided so far.
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 04, 2019, 09:19:02 PM
There’s a disappointing lack of content but lol the game isn’t even out yet and people are acting as if they got scammed. If you don’t want to play it don’t buy it, p simple
Come on now, you know it's deeper than that.  It's not just reacting to the here and now, it's knowing what disappointing changes happen here set the standard going forward.  Nobody wants to leave the franchise they enjoy for these reasons alone pertaining to this one single game.  If this was another simple spin-off bit of nonsense like Let's Go then it obviously wouldn't be getting this backlash because things would be back to normal next game, but it's not so people are understandably upset by this.

I'd like it to be as simple as "just don't get it", but I happen to also like Pokémon so I'd just also like to know if they will correct the course their going currently.

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....What?  What the hell did I miss that was the sex appeal gigantamax form?  Please don't be referring to the actual Pokémon.  Unless you mean the Eevee attract thing, which where did they say it got a boost?  Should still work only on opposite-gendered Pokémon.  I'd imagine the Pikachu bonus would still be more useful working on Ground types.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on November 04, 2019, 11:54:47 PM
Dude, you are allowed to like having less, as confusing as it is.
  I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.  It's not that I'm happy that there is less content, it's that I'm not upset at the exclusion of things I wasn't going to ever use anyway.

At this point your Gamefreak whiteknighting is really really obnoxious.

OK lol, I guess acting like an adult is whiteknighting now.  I'm so very sorry that my default reaction to new information is rational thought and not blind, kneejerk anger.

You know the best thing?  I don't even disagree with y'all in concept.  I also feel like this is an rather large cut in content, even given the full context of what direction they were trying to go in, and sure they could have gone the extra mile to at least work in a few more fan favorites.  It's the sheer level of hand-wringing, pearl-clutching, wailing and gnashing, "won't SOMEBODY think of the children" hysteria I'm seeing in response to the news that compels me to inject a modicum of sensibility into the discussion.  (To clarify I don't mean to single out this forum or anyone here in particular; I'm referring to the Pokemon fandom at large.)

You want to be disappointed?  Fine.  You're well within your rights.  But for the gods' sake, grow up about it.

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 05, 2019, 12:17:57 AM
Splitting hairs I'd say, but fine, my bad, I am sorry.  I don't mean that specifically the lack of content you're happy with, you are fine just getting by with what is left supplemented with whatever few new things they add in to replace them.  That is fine.  Not how I would enjoy it but perfectly applicable.

But it is unfair to everyone else that does enjoy pokemon x, y and z that are now missing.  Previously I used the example of Garchomp strangely being missing from the roster.  I personally don't like the thing, too goofy, trying too hard to be badass.  I don't enjoy that I get to use my Shednija over others preference though.  I am upset at that and want Game Freak to not repeat this mistake going forward.
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Post by: DarkWolf13 on November 05, 2019, 12:56:34 AM
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 05, 2019, 01:14:27 AM
Game Freak: Well boys, we did it. Garchomp is no more.
Also Game Freak: Lol, here's Aegislash tho.

Funny they talk of the culling being a balancing thing, yet that Pokémon isn't cut :P

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Post by: Alpaca-San on November 05, 2019, 03:29:00 AM
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....What?  What the hell did I miss that was the sex appeal gigantamax form?  Please don't be referring to the actual Pokémon.  Unless you mean the Eevee attract thing, which where did they say it got a boost?  Should still work only on opposite-gendered Pokémon.  I'd imagine the Pikachu bonus would still be more useful working on Ground types.
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I'm cool with Person Man just wanting the new Poke'mon adventure I'm just not cool how abrasive he is in some of his posts toward those that wanted more. It doesn't make him any better or any more of an adult than them. Being more in the hardcore crowd I find the cards that Gamefreak dealt us this time to be dreadfully underwhelming, not worth the 20 extra bucks in the slightest, and not intriguing enough for me to try the game even if it was gifted to me. Yet I will respect his difference in view as much as he will respect mine.


Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 05, 2019, 04:16:36 AM
You have strange tastes my man.

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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on November 05, 2019, 09:16:25 AM
Stop it! I'm trying so hard to ignore these leaks!
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 05, 2019, 11:49:43 AM
Stop it! I'm trying so hard to ignore these leaks!
Then don't click on the damn spoiler tags.
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Post by: Mysticus on November 05, 2019, 01:05:03 PM
Chill out Macaulyn.
I haven't clicked on these spoilers at all.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 05, 2019, 01:32:41 PM
Chill out Macaulyn.
I haven't clicked on these spoilers at all.
Then you're ignoring the leaks already.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 05, 2019, 01:36:13 PM
To be fair, not everything has been hidden behind spoiler tags in this thread. Some of it has leaked outside of them.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 06, 2019, 01:00:16 AM
Just a thought; there are no expectations for the online services for the 3DS games to be going down any time soon?  Shutting down Bank to force people to migrate to Home?  Getting rid of the online battles and trading?

Because in addition to the rest of the pile of misgivings the new games have, we also have the paid online screw-over to deal with.  Seems a further point for people to just stick to gen 6 and/or 7 on the 3DS than deal with SwSh's paid ranking system.  Dunno how much Nintendo's online service costs, just didn't bother with it once Splatoon 2's free time was up, but I'm sure it's more than free.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: R565 on November 06, 2019, 01:12:38 AM
It's 20 bucks for a year, but ever since launch it had always have problems with smooth connections.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 10, 2019, 01:24:43 AM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/11/08/tokyo-launch-event-for-pokemon-sword-and-shield-canceled

Smells like the backlash led to that. Now, death threats are NEVER justified, but they should have known their obviously stupid decisions would lead to backlash, people wouldn't let them get away with fucking up a Pokémon game, of all things.
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Post by: Kirishima on November 10, 2019, 04:37:09 AM
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Post by: Person Man on November 10, 2019, 02:23:45 PM
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Post by: Kirishima on November 11, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
Datamining is out and it's no different from what we get.

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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 11, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
Datamining is out and it's no different from what we get.

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Post by: Alpaca-San on November 11, 2019, 06:41:29 PM
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Post by: 1Ultima on November 11, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 11, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
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Post by: Kirishima on November 11, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on November 11, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 11, 2019, 11:23:37 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 12, 2019, 02:35:03 AM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PBRTODD101 on November 12, 2019, 03:11:16 AM
Not being able to use Jigglypuff on my home console Pokemon game is stupid. Also, the gen with the most returning Pokemon is gen V? Seriously?

A lot of dumb changes this time around. I won’t even begin to mention the cut moves or the poor designs for the starter evolutions.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 12, 2019, 03:55:05 AM
Spoiler: Well, they DID say the Dex was getting axed so they could add better animations (click to see content)
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Post by: Alpaca-San on November 12, 2019, 05:34:10 AM
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 12, 2019, 09:01:35 AM
You guys like unlockable content?
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 12, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
You guys like unlockable content?
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Are you fucking serious?
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Post by: 1Ultima on November 12, 2019, 01:54:19 PM
Spoiler: Well, they DID say the Dex was getting axed so they could add better animations (click to see content)

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You guys like unlockable content?
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 12, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: -Greed- on November 12, 2019, 06:59:44 PM
I'm just annoyed most of my favorite teammates are gone.

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Post by: Ricepigeon on November 13, 2019, 02:07:33 AM
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Edit: Competitive relevant info:

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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 13, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
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But anyway, there's a rumour going around that the game is the way it is because Game Freak's model importer messed up and they couldn't fix it, so the whole dex culling was just a cover up to save face.
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It very much comes across as a "my uncle works at Nintendo" thing, but it would conveniently explain away most of the issues. I suppose a statement Masuda made during a Nintendo Power interview in 2011 contradicts some of the PR stuff he's said recently, specifically the part about not wanting to ever cull Pokémon.
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But you came here for funnies and not conspiracy theories, so here you go:
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Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 13, 2019, 01:47:49 PM
If these rumors are true, these incompetent shitheads had better get this fixed for the DPP remakes. When you're reusing a lot of shit like they are, there is no excuse for the lack of content we've been presented with.
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Post by: DNZRX768 on November 14, 2019, 12:12:20 AM
As convenient as the explanation is, I'm filing these rumors under "proof or GTFO". Unless the OP can provide hard evidence to back their case, I will remain skeptical.
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Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 14, 2019, 01:36:18 AM
Oh, we just have to wait until the next game. Considering how trash this one is, I'm sure they'll want to release the DPP remakes ASAP.
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Post by: Long John Killer on November 14, 2019, 02:06:48 AM
As much as I'd like that to be true, something holding me back is the whole models being identical issue for those in the game already.  It once again boils down to what people were saying months ago when the models were initially questioned; if they were remaking them from scratch, then one: how did they manage to recreate them 1 for 1 perfectly identical and two: why would they not willingly take the opportunity presented to them to improve upon the ones they could work with to some extent?  It's my understanding reading that post that if the importer was broken for any of them, it would likely impact most if not all of them so GF's statement that they needed to work on the models would hold some water.  It's just the logistics of how they got it perfectly matching the state they were prior and why even do that at all with a better, or at least DIFFERENT for the console release alternative that bugs me.
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Post by: DNZRX768 on November 14, 2019, 02:16:24 AM
Oh, we just have to wait until the next game. Considering how trash this one is, I'm sure they'll want to release the DPP remakes ASAP.

Trash how?
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Post by: Alpaca-San on November 14, 2019, 02:35:24 AM
They're using the same model frames since X and Y. It's been found in the data. I don't think they screwed up the importer since they clearly imported those models in. It also means they didn't actually remake the models entirely from scratch so that interview was PR lies. I think the fans should stop going after game freak and also after each other and start yelling at the higher ups in the Poke'mon Company because something ain't right there.

At least the game itself is apparently very good in spite of the development conditions. That's honestly a relief. I can't wait to see it for myself in Poke'mon Gun version.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 15, 2019, 02:10:24 AM
Take this as the hearsay as it pretty much is, but checking in at our Gamestop tonight it see if they were going to do a midnight release or not, that was the plan at least last week but with less than 50 orders remaining in nearby stores with people pulling their pre-orders the midnight release was also pulled.  So oof.  Don't know how other people are with their various local chains but that's a first for me, even Let's Go had a midnight release here.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 15, 2019, 04:12:49 AM
I believe that the people pre-ordering are usually the more hard-core fans and people who can't wait for the next game; both categories would have taken a hit with the controversy, so I might not be surprised that pre-release sales might be down.

I believe the real test for Pokemon Sword and Shield is this upcoming holiday season. The two games are Nintendo's main Christmas offering this year, which would be a good reason why the games can't be delayed any longer to make it complete.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on November 15, 2019, 08:42:57 AM
Heads up:

Apparently there's a bug with the day 1 patch/digital copy involving autosave (https://nintendoeverything.com/rumor-pokemon-sword-shield-full-game-download-causing-sd-card-corruptionhttps://nintendoeverything.com/rumor-pokemon-sword-shield-full-game-download-causing-sd-card-corruption [/url)

Said bug can also wipe out everything on your Sd card if you own the digital copy.
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Post by: ShiroTori on November 15, 2019, 10:54:00 AM
I read this could also be the fault of cheap/counterfeit SD cards corrupting during a crash, similarly to what happened with the Piranha Plant DLC for Smash.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 15, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
Whoa hey I didn't know Piranha Plant was in this game.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 15, 2019, 06:08:05 PM
It looks like verdict is in:

(https://i.redd.it/rtoieunzpuy31.jpg)

The biggest problem right now is I can't tell if this score is a result of genuine issues or review bombing by salty mobs.
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Post by: Person Man on November 15, 2019, 06:29:05 PM
It's Metacritic.  It's always review bombing by salty mobs. 
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Post by: DNZRX768 on November 15, 2019, 06:33:57 PM
I'm actually being serious this time. With the contraversy around the game and the potential for review-bombing mobs, I seriously can't tell if the game has issues or the salty crews are working overtime.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on November 15, 2019, 06:52:12 PM
Speaking as someone who has the game:
Its Ok.

There are some issues but overall a decent experience.
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Post by: Person Man on November 15, 2019, 07:08:48 PM
I'm actually being serious this time. With the contraversy around the game and the potential for review-bombing mobs, I seriously can't tell if the game has issues or the salty crews are working overtime.

I mean, it's not even unique to SwSh.  Every movie and every game, Metacritic user scores are always weaponized by the internet hype/outrage machine.  It's never indicative of the product itself.
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Post by: Mysticus on November 15, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
I'm still interested on this game a little, even though I'm not a Pokemaniac anymore.
It's okay this game has flaws. Yes, I know it got crappy graphics, bad animation, uneccessary handhold moments, recycled animation for the old Pokemon, Ohmori bad directing again and blah blah blah.
But overbadmouthing about it is disrespectful.
I'll wait for the sale though.
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Post by: Kirishima on November 15, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
Speaking as someone who has the game:
Its Ok.

There are some issues but overall a decent experience.
Pretty much.  I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10.  It isn't that horrid, just not that different.
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Post by: PlasmoidThunder on November 15, 2019, 09:08:19 PM
It was always going to be meh at worst. It's Pokémon, so it's not going to be WWE 2K20 or Sonic 06 levels of bad, just not good either.

I just don't feel like paying extra for a game that has less content than the previous game, of which I had zero interest in and was actually gifted.
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Post by: Alpaca-San on November 16, 2019, 02:01:44 AM
...I would actually love to see terrible WWE 2K20 model zombie versions of various Poke'mon. But yeah I'd imagine as a stand alone game, it's Average Poke'mon Game/10.
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Post by: Kirishima on November 18, 2019, 04:44:36 PM
Modders are already starting to slowly turn this into MUGEN. (https://twitter.com/SciresM/status/1196342543425781760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1196342543425781760&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231196342543425781760)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on November 18, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
It will truly be MUGEN when I hack in Obese Cheese Boy using Eternatus as a base.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on November 19, 2019, 03:43:43 AM
Gotta say, you raised my expectations too high going for the Mugen comparison.  I was sure someone swapped out Lucario for Goku or something along those lines.

Modders, get on putting Rare Akuma into SwSh.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on November 26, 2019, 01:32:06 AM
A while back, SwSh sold over 6 million copies around the opening weekend making it the best opening Switch title ever.  That's pretty cool despite the various issues it has.

Spoiler: So the Pokémon Company have decided to celebrate this milestone the best way possible (click to see content)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on November 26, 2019, 02:27:11 AM
A while back, SwSh sold over 6 million copies around the opening weekend making it the best opening Switch title ever.  That's pretty cool despite the various issues it has.

Spoiler: So the Pokémon Company have decided to celebrate this milestone the best way possible (click to see content)

At this point, I am torn about this course of action. On one hand, I appreciate the leakers efforts to being the deficiencies to my attention. On the other hand, the leakers probably have broken NDA and done illegal things by leaking the files, so they probably have no right to complain when legal action is taken against them. Plus, what explicit purpose does the leaks serve? I still confused on the purpose.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Astro on December 17, 2019, 09:23:40 AM
Plus, what explicit purpose does the leaks serve? I still confused on the purpose.

It proved that GameFreak lied about not porting over reused models and overall consensus that they put in next-to-no effort to make the game.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on December 22, 2019, 08:50:10 PM
A while back, SwSh sold over 6 million copies around the opening weekend making it the best opening Switch title ever.  That's pretty cool despite the various issues it has.

Spoiler: So the Pokémon Company have decided to celebrate this milestone the best way possible (click to see content)
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the leaks reduced fan interest and engagement generated by keeping key elements of the games secret
Thats a LOT of nerve. If they had actually put some effort in the damn game, the leaks would have only increased the interest and engagement. And that is assuming that this was the actual reason that interest dropped, because we all know why the backlash against SwSh happened, and it had nothing to do with leaks.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: CoolNation on January 09, 2020, 12:02:34 AM
Surprised not to see this posted here, but we have a Pokemon Direct coming in a little over half a day. What's everyone expecting to see that is Sword and Shield related?
Said stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMXRyk7ikjI
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on January 09, 2020, 01:55:56 AM
It's probably about that online service for the Switch. Pokemon Home, is it?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on January 09, 2020, 02:33:39 AM
Beyond the pre-release update from Masuda responding to the initial hashtag about the National Dex, I don't believe Game Freak have actually responded to the incident in any official manner?  More-so, I don't believe even now that Japan has any official notification on the games having its severely reduced roster?  Since this direct is intended to be longer than previous ones and what's up at bat to likely show isn't a whole lot, I imagine the additional time could be there to cover exactly that.  Or they can just drag out the event panning camera shots at dynamax models, whatever.

I mean, granted, the game's OUT now, and people know all the myriad of issues and backlash regardless if they wanted to probably as long as they're remotely following anything video game news, but it is still odd that the local customers there still don't have any response yet from the team, but we over in the West have for some time now.

Beyond the politics and whatnot, what's probably going to be shown are those handful of starters, legendaries and mythical pokemon that dataminers long since shown are in the game, but now in official manner.  We're still mostly in the dark on Pokémon Home and Sleep, the former not looking the keenest at this time to being worth getting with all the shortcommings and the latter.....just kinda sounding stupid.  So gonna have to see how they sell those apps.  I would hope not by necessity, lauding needing Home over shutting down Bank, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 09, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
We get to learn about the mysterious Eternatus and what its presence means for the Galar region.

Joking(?) aside, it's probably in relation to Home and possibly Sleep.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on January 09, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
So who's not actually surprised that they're selling the cut Pokemon as dlc? What's actually baffling is that they still make the dlc pokemon have version exclusives. The fuck?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Beta158 on January 09, 2020, 04:25:15 PM


And we have to pay full price for it (Just like Final Fantasy 7 and Link’s Awakening) YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on January 09, 2020, 04:59:42 PM
They fixed the tree!!!  :yuno:

(https://i.ibb.co/CPnQWLm/1578584945785.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mysticus on January 09, 2020, 05:18:11 PM
So they DID listen.
But can we talk about THIS?

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 09, 2020, 05:26:56 PM
It all makes sense now. After releasing a short, underwhelming and mediocre game, they'll just release a bunch of expansion packs to get more money. I remember the days when Pokémon actually felt like an insanely long and fun experience, not this patethic crap.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 09, 2020, 05:50:53 PM
They could've handled it a lot worse. Like you know, like release the expansions as stand alone games like they normally do.

Articuno might finally be good...In what is one of the worst metas Poke'mon has seen. It's like raaaaaaiiiiiin on your wedding day...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 09, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
Meta was bad ever since Gen VI, it seems like the unnecessary Mega Evolutions only ruined the variety of viable Pokémon, but yeah, Gigantamax is a crazy mess, I hate the way it works.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 09, 2020, 06:30:56 PM
Gigantamax is an annoying thing that's not worth it. Dynamax moves are generally better than the G-Max exclusive moves and they can have egg moves. Such a shitty mechanic...I mean you can play by smogon rules where its banned but then you're just left with a bare bones meta with a low poke'mon pool and incentive to go back to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon where the terrains and megas offer at least something remotely interesting to battle.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: CoolNation on January 09, 2020, 07:31:33 PM
I'm actually pretty positive about this bit of news. Not only is Mystery Dungeon back, but no repeat of the lackluster upgrade that Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. I'm glad that it seems they kept the open world cause that was the best part of Galar. Though I guess I should wait til June itself to see if the optimism is warranted.

P.S. Why does every company insist on making this Spring packed with like every game imaginable. My poor budget...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on January 09, 2020, 11:43:22 PM
As someone looking at this without the permanently angry and dissatisfied temperament it apparently takes to be a real pokemon fan, this update actually looks pretty great?  I mean, it appears to be significantly more content than they've historically included in the updated versions while also not costing the same amount as a full retail release like they used to charge and also not requiring you to start the game over from scratch just to access the new content.  I'm failing to see the downside here.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 10, 2020, 12:26:02 AM
Yeah given that it's modern day Poke'mon Company we're dealing with here, this announcement is a relatively pleasant surprise. They finally caught up with the times with expansion releases. Also you don't actually need to purchase the expansions to get the added Poke'mon as opposed to getting another game for it.

Granted the fundamental problems with Sword and Shield are probably gonna remain (The terrible writing even by series standards, dyna/gigantamax being a poorly thought out piece of shit mechanic, old Poke'mon map design that betrays the open world this game wants me to believe I'm immersed in, a switch game with production values that aren't that much of a step up from the 3DS entries) but at least they got their expansion model good this time around.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on January 10, 2020, 12:36:30 AM
I....don't get the chosen themes.  Does the U.K. have a smaller island to its East that's tropical climate that I'm unaware of?  And I guess the crown is Greenland?  And the tropical island is an eastern dojo?  Wasn't the point of this U.K. based game to have U.K. based architecture and culture?

I really don't like the idea of new Regis conceptually just to fill more elemental slots, it was fine being just super-literal mineral golems that ancient people made in the lore, but whatever, not like that matters anymore, let the ancient poke-Greeks make their electric golem.  Regional legendaries is also super bizarre.  I suppose if any, the Kanto birds would be the appropriate ones to test with since there are certainly more than just the three within Kanto, but you can't do that with the Johto dogs, the Latias/os twins, and most others because lore has a predetermined number of them in existence.  And speaking of legendaries, their wording on fighting their dynamaxed forms and maybe being able to catch them only with friends worries me they would cut off the option to catch them unless you're in co-op.  Which sounds ridiculous, but wouldn't be the first ridiculous thing this game has thrown into it, so.....I just hope that's a misunderstanding.

I guess it looks ok new content, nothing extraordinary but not really bad either.  It does come across as stuff that was going to be in the game initially and was then pushed off to later include, the whole dojo thing sounds very middle of the game based, not post-game.

Also, Calyrex is just literally Hot Air Balloon form of Lycanroc and you can not convince me otherwise.  I like too that said hot air balloon is just its massive brain, it's like a Grey.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 10, 2020, 01:39:03 AM
this update actually looks pretty great? [...] I'm failing to see the downside here.

It would be a good thing, had it not felt like something you would've already had in the base game of previous titles.

But more importantly, Landorus is back to rule the meta again. Yaaaaaay.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on January 10, 2020, 03:04:59 AM
All things being equal, "why couldn't it be in the base game" is the exact same argument that's been made against all DLC since the advent of DLC.  Can't really blame that one on Game Freak.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 10, 2020, 03:06:21 AM
I can, when its the type of content that was always in the base game in previous releases. New Pokémon and areas is okay (or would be, if this game had any decent content in the base game, even then I'd still forgive it if it wasn't for the rest of the bullshit), but old ones? No, that is just bullshit.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Ex☆Cham on January 10, 2020, 03:32:38 AM
Did i just saw Gigantamax Cinderace doing the GAINAX/Buster pose?!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on January 10, 2020, 03:49:37 AM
All things being equal, "why couldn't it be in the base game" is the exact same argument that's been made against all DLC since the advent of DLC.  Can't really blame that one on Game Freak.
I mean, certainly it has become the norm in like the past 10 years, but that wasn't always the case.  Expansion packs for the likes of original Blizzard games, map packs for the likes of Halo, original content made past the game's development cycle and wasn't part of the plan to include in the base game nor expected.  The price they're asking for the actual new content shown here seems fine, personally.  Thankfully, it's not being extended to said content that was removed and put back in.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 10, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
All things being equal, "why couldn't it be in the base game" is the exact same argument that's been made against all DLC since the advent of DLC.  Can't really blame that one on Game Freak.

While true, the game's apparent lack of content compared to previous titles is why I said it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 10, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
Gigantamax is an annoying thing that's not worth it. Dynamax moves are generally better than the G-Max exclusive moves and they can have egg moves.
You're kind of forgetting that there is this "Egg Move Seminar" in the nursery where you can put 2 of the same species regardless of gender in there and one will teach the other the egg move they have as long there's an empty slot in the one that's to learn it. For example, you can get Freeze-Dry and Sparkling Aria on G-Max Lapras.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on January 10, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
All things being equal, "why couldn't it be in the base game" is the exact same argument that's been made against all DLC since the advent of DLC.  Can't really blame that one on Game Freak.
I mean, certainly it has become the norm in like the past 10 years, but that wasn't always the case.  Expansion packs for the likes of original Blizzard games, map packs for the likes of Halo, original content made past the game's development cycle and wasn't part of the plan to include in the base game nor expected.  The price they're asking for the actual new content shown here seems fine, personally.  Thankfully, it's not being extended to said content that was removed and put back in.

Starcraft and Warcraft weren't games that were released in a rushed state lacking in content nor have content been removed from previous games to be released in expansion packs later. SwSh's rushed state is pretty obvious even just by looking at what the game actually has.  What it removed just makes it's state worse.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 10, 2020, 08:45:13 PM
Gigantamax is an annoying thing that's not worth it. Dynamax moves are generally better than the G-Max exclusive moves and they can have egg moves.
You're kind of forgetting that there is this "Egg Move Seminar" in the nursery where you can put 2 of the same species regardless of gender in there and one will teach the other the egg move they have as long there's an empty slot in the one that's to learn it. For example, you can get Freeze-Dry and Sparkling Aria on G-Max Lapras.
I did indeed forget that was a thing much like how everyone should forget about wasting time raiding for a gigantamax Poke'mon and instead just Dynamax a Hawlucha or an Excadrill.

Speaking of whcih
But more importantly, Landorus is back to rule the meta again. Yaaaaaay.
You are now keenly aware that ranked is going to probably consist of
EXCADRILL, LANDORUS, TYRANITAR
EXCADRILL, LANDORUS, TYRANITAR
YOU DUDES ARE REALLY BORING
EXCADRILL, LANDORUS, TYRANITAR
EXCADRILL, LANDORUS, TYRANITAR
YOU NOOBS HAVE NOTHING FOR ME
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on January 11, 2020, 12:21:07 AM
Dont forget Garchomp.

Dunno how to feel. On the one hand, this is much better then making people buy "enhanced" versions. But seeing Pokemon get DLC makes me unconfortable.

While we dont know the full story of why all 800+ Pokemon arent in this game(and unless they do another expansion, never will be) I'm glad they are at least adding more. AND adding a patch that lets you get them even if you dont get the expansion packs.(via trading/transferring but still)

Gonna wait until they're out to make a final decision. For now, I'll have fun with the soon to be dead metagame

(No Gamefreak seriously, why)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on January 11, 2020, 02:03:51 AM
Dont forget Garchomp.

Just praying it can't learn Dragon Dance via TR.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Suprizle on January 11, 2020, 06:32:57 PM
All things being equal, "why couldn't it be in the base game" is the exact same argument that's been made against all DLC since the advent of DLC.  Can't really blame that one on Game Freak.

While true, the game's apparent lack of content compared to previous titles is why I said it.

This!

The ill intent "sell a broken game & fix it later" DLC practice has been tried to death (thanks EA and Activation) and anyone who's been paying attention saw this coming miles away. S&S still won't even be a year old yet and you're already being resold content that's been available for YEARS... think about it. If this was a direct response to the backlash, it'd be made free.

The thought that Gamefreak/Nintendo have no control over their content is laughable. Do NOT give them a pass as if they suddenly decided to do the right thing by adding Pokemon back... they know what they're doing and these cases are never an act of goodwill. Wake up.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 12, 2020, 02:23:55 PM
You don't have to get the expansion pack to get the returning Pokemon. You can use Home to transfer them there once you download the patch.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Mgbenz on January 12, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
Kind of beats the whole purpose of the series about catching monsters though.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on January 12, 2020, 08:17:21 PM
Exactly. Hey, either you pay us to catch something in the game or you just bring something you caught from another game so you won't have fun doing it again, yay! Choices!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 16, 2020, 07:09:25 PM
Why would you want to catch them agai-No! No! I never want to catch Giratina again that damn heal blocking ghost typing shadow forcing asshole!

And I thought I was fucking crazy for having 2 of every Poke'mon all the way up to gen 7.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: 1Ultima on January 16, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Having 2 of every Poke'mon all the way up to gen 7.

Christ, why would you do that to yourself?
Its bad enough catching them all in the 1st place but TWICE?!
I salute your patience because honestly i couldnt do it

Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 16, 2020, 07:25:58 PM
I have one living dex to put in the latest game and another to leave in Poke'bank as back-up. Oh believe me it was work as a lot of them were from the older games that always had that one poke'mon or two that was an actual bastard to get, like Feebas, Spiritomb, or the Latis and legendary cats from their gen 3 games.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DarkWolf13 on January 28, 2020, 11:00:44 PM
They finally revealed information about Pokemon HOME and I'm already not liking it.

https://serebii.net/pokemonhome/
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kirishima on January 28, 2020, 11:45:56 PM
Not looking forward to the Day 1 crash.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on January 29, 2020, 02:40:52 AM
My sole issue is that bank transfers require the rather expensive premium subscription. The year subscription is slightly more than triple the price of Bank's year subscription. It feels kinda predatory to their diehard fans.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on February 13, 2020, 04:42:08 AM
So Pokémon Home got released yesterday.  And it only took them 24 hours to announce it afterwords.  People have also datamined it and found a leftover .gif of some woman dancing and knocking out a Vocaloid with her hips (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/02/random_what_on_earth_is_this_gif_doing_in_pokemon_home), so I'm guessing it's wasn't intended to drop yesterday.  Whoops.

It is exceptionally bare, not much of an upgrade on Bank.  Not that I intend on spending any money on it, seeing comments from people doing the Bank transfer to Home is deleting their Pokémon if it doesn't go through.  And segregating certain options to only the Switch version or the phone version is still confusing.  The phone one seems entirely unnecessary, especially without there being connections to Go yet and Go already being able to connect to the Switch.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Person Man on February 13, 2020, 05:21:29 AM
IDK, getting to see Professor Oak go through a cyberpunk themed midlife crisis might be worth the price of admission by itself.

(https://www.siliconera.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/pokemon-home-open-grand-oak.jpg)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Long John Killer on February 13, 2020, 05:38:46 AM
I legit can't stand that Oak knock-off and let out such an audible groan of disapproval when I saw him giving me a Pikachu yesterday I worried the dog that he did something wrong.

It's just so...stupid.  I mean, it's ultimately harmless and nearly completely ignorable, I am making this a bigger deal then it's worth just by this response but it's just so freaking stupid.  You already did this joke in Sun and Moon and it got a facepalm back then too.  Ugh.

It kinda mildly burns me too having the entire Pokedex there with the 3D models that they don't supposedly have existing on the Switch and useable in SwSh....there on the Switch and probably usable straight as-is in SwSh.  Though I've heard dataminers poking through the handful of new monsters that were made available in SwSh now found Primarina has a new walk cycle more viable to be found in the wild flying around the field compared to its singular one crawling around on its belly, likely still useable in camp.  So that's something, if personally so largely unnecessary.

Speaking of though, the 3D recreations of the 2D artwork poses for most if not all the monsters kinda changes the interpretation on a number of them, and that's weird.  Flygon's gotten pissed, and Gardevoir went from expressionless and mouthless to awkwardly happy.  Which seems to be the default face on it now ever since it went 3D but still.  Kinda would prefer just using the 2D artwork.  Especially Ken's watercolor gen 1 stuff.  Though I believe they're all based on his redrawings of them circa gen 3's remakes of gen 1, so moot point I suppose.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Kari_ufo on February 15, 2020, 12:00:46 PM
Hi i want to trade with someone who has sirfetch, darmantian zen mode, Stonjourner,grooky.

 and zacian if it goes both ways.

thinking there is a lot easier too trade by sharing code.
not only for me, so put up what you wanna trade.

dont know if it really exist a topic like this already
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Alpaca-San on February 16, 2020, 07:03:35 PM
Those glasses...Oh god no Oak joined Team Flare
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 17, 2020, 06:17:33 PM
And people thought the developers lost creativity because of the Pokémon...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: DNZRX768 on February 19, 2020, 01:27:19 PM
Those glasses...Oh god no Oak joined Team Flare

That's actually pretty funny!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Macaulyn97 on February 27, 2020, 06:37:59 PM

Looks pretty shitty, honestly...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield (Switch)
Post by: Weed and Video Games on February 27, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
IDK, getting to see Professor Oak go through a cyberpunk themed midlife crisis might be worth the price of admission by itself.

(https://www.siliconera.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/pokemon-home-open-grand-oak.jpg)

Looking like Oak started hitting the bong lmfao