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Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 07:21:05 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Yeah, if one person does both parts they get 100

but even if they could overwork at the moment
I only have 50 bucks left to spend until next month
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 07:10:54 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

How is this an experiment? It's clear that you just want to find someone desperate enough to make characters for $50.


Experiment. Test. Trying something out. Whatever you want to call it. Basically to see if this whole thing felt worth it to me when it's done. My other Mugen comissions made me more happy than most things I spent my money on, but they were my own characters to be fair...

So yeah this whole thing is just to see how much I feel it's worth it when its done.

If Im happy with the experience. I'll probably keep comissioning.
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 06:00:15 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Since this is all an experiment anyway...

and like I said I'll take Basara at his word.


I'll pay 50 this month to whoever can get all of the resources the programmer would need for Yamato, sprites, sound fx, hit effects anything else I may have forgot. Anything the programmer/coder would need.

And I'll pay another 50 next month to whoever codes the character


That sound fair to you all?

    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 05:51:40 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

well from my point of view the coding part was done in record time on my last 3 characters I commissioned help on.

So in theory it seemed like a week was more than enough time.

But the forum is right I dont know how long it takes for the gathering resources part since thats the part Im the least familiar with.
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 02:35:57 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

How is it a trap if you get what YOU want btw?
I didn't quite get that at all lol.

Because if I ordered something that was going to be made soon anyway then 1. Why'd I bother? and 2. People might start delaying stuff on purpose. A longshot I know, but the thought bugs me.

But if I pick then even if somehow they were going to pick that character anyway then I have no reason to really suspect my choice was sitting in their log of to do list anyway

I mean if I let people start bringing suggested picks to me then its more likely they were going to do the character they suggested anyway.


Mugen's been around what? 10 years? if a character has gone this long never been converted then it doesnt seem likely they will anytime soon so there's probably plenty of safe picks.

    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 02:22:49 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

I have a question: Why not start with a character whose resources have been released?

From my point of view, 50 USD isn't so little for a flexible job. If you allow them to use bases, give a little more time, and apply for a job with resources previously released, probably a member can take the job.

Im open to that idea, but its a lot easier to fall into the they were going to make it anyway trap.

Yamato from Dragoon Might was sorta the ideal first choice, but its definitely not the only choice.
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 September 01, 2013, 01:41:46 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

I didnt post because I was in a mini coma from lack of sleep...also I was waiting for anyone to etiher ask a direct question or answer my last question
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 29, 2013, 10:46:49 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Back.

Now like I said, it may not have seemed like it, but I have been listening to you guys.

Its just more of a should I wait and see thing now for me.

and I expect more of the same anger here.

But I have to ask, who would take the job under "slightly" higher conditions?

and since I'll take Basara at his word about the difficulty of ripping sprites from Dragoon Might

who would be willing to low bid to get those sprite resources for communal use?

    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:57:52 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Im sure theres probably more you guys could get me to say, but I gotta go. Ill check in on this thread tomorrow assuming a mod didnt lock it
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:50:04 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:46:03 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

If you're serious about this:
- Remove time limit
- Boost price to at least $250<
- Remove bogus requirements that you wouldn't be able to spot with ease (No bugs, etc.)
- Remove the corny hardcore act (your trust issues and such, etc.)

What you want can be done but only if you're serious about it.
Remember, no one here owes you anything.  You won't find anyone here willing to work for you and your crazy criteria.
I say is not even worth it to give your advice to someone with such an attitude..

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Dude... one friendly advice, Learn more about the commmunity, learn to listen to creators that clearly have a better brain than yours, and... oh yeah, get a better job.

There's no attitude except to maybe Trinonity. Im listening to all your guys advice even if it may not seem like it
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:41:53 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

The other aspects youre going to have to explain to me how they take so long as to not be completed in a hard days work
- For all I know, Yamato hasn't ripped sprites. Ripping sprites, sounds, FX can take time, even longer if the game have camera things or something like that. Do this hard work would take a day or two, but keep in mind that people have more things in his life.
- If you are looking for accuracy, the coder probably should play hard the game to know the character and his system. This, like the above item would take a day or two, but again keep in mind that people have more things in his life.
- Encode a character from scratch, without bases, is really hard. Again, only if the coder is experienced, this would take one or two days. Same with other items, people have more things in his life.
- Bug fixes and beta testing takes a looooong time. More if you depend on others, this point could take a whole week.

^

All these points as long as the creator is well experienced AND if the creator have A LOT of free time. Yeah, no noobs with life.

So... The slave should play a game for hours, should break his head ripping sprites, and should burn his view coding a PERFECT character for... Oh, 50 USD? Well, that's not so comforting. Less if the person will ask for things in a way so pretentious.

One thing is order a character with available sprites, sounds, and a solid base. Yeah, guys like Infinite can do that. You are asking a lot more than that. Plus, you impose an rigorous amount of time. Plus, in a cubbish way. It's understandable that everyone put so against you.

Sorry for my english.


Well to be honest, yeah, that was who I expect the deal to appeal to...someone with a lot of free time who could use the money even though it wasnt that much money. Just what I could afford. If I was in the opposite end of this deal. The truth is yeah I would take it. Because Im that guy.

Also, I tried to be as blunt without being rude as possible. You pretty much have to be when stating a deal. I mean to go the other way would just cause confusion and almost sound sarcastic.

As for you Trinitronity, absolutely you are arrogant. I try to defend myself in a rational calm manner to everyone's overblown anger to a deal they could simply just decline and let the thread stand and your ego is so put upon that you want to get me banned in retaliation. What is that if not the height of arrogance. Seriously, you dont see me whining to a mod about how you guys are so mean mean mean or something.  No, I crossed the mighty Trinitronity so I must be exiled.

If you do in fact get me banned which I find entirely possible the way this thread is going it wont change the fact that youll be the biggest hypocrite in the room





    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:24:38 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

No I meant the opposite. I meant what he mentioned wasnt even worth 50 bucks
lol, how old are you? You don't seem to be thinking maturely...

Everyone whose temper is flaring at perceived insults is not thinking maturely.

as for paying after you eat food...are you including non fast food places in your imagination?
do you get paid your salary before your work week begins at your job?

The only way Id ever pay anyone up front for work they didnt do yet is if I had worked with someone a lot in the past and they made some special case for it otherwise there is absolutely no logical reason to trust anyone until they proven themselves,

Anyway for all those who stated their opinions while keeping their cool I bear no ill will towards even if you hate my deal

but to the rest have you looked at yourself with a hypocritical eye?

If anyone is arrogant and flouting their egos it's you guys who are taking offense when no direct offense was said. And getting all offended at how much you deserve when that was never part of the equation.

For example, when the original post mentioned no amateurs and you took offense, why did you assume I meant you? I definitely didnt name anyone specific and there's really no nice way to say dont apply if youre new at this.
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:12:42 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

If I charged 50 dollars for that pitiful work Id be ripping THEM off
so you admit it..

No I meant the opposite. I meant what he mentioned wasnt even worth 50 bucks
Please don't tell me that you have just said THAT.

What he described is nothing more than a skeleton. Nothing more than swapping Kung Fu Man's sprites practically for dummy swap ins. I wouldnt charge anybody for that. The fact that you would and demand 50 bucks for your so called work sounds shady to me
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 08:04:02 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 07:59:18 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Dude nobody in there right mind would do all this shit, for a rip off price. I'll tell you what 50$ will get you, granted you provide the stuff needed. (IMO)

- sprite alignments
- basic movements
- basic attacks (maybe)
- & if you're lucky: a taunt

If you put yourself on the opposite end if the field, would you accept all this, for 50-65$!?

If I charged 50 dollars for that pitiful work Id be ripping THEM off
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 07:35:06 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

If the commission reached the bug testing fee the deadline is meant to be extended until its done. Because you never know when someone missed something even in that phase
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 07:31:45 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Guys, let's cut the guy some slack. I'm guessing he's just new in the mugen scene so he doesn't know how much effort/how long it takes to create a character.

We should just explain it to him slowly. If it still doesn't go through then we can't do anything about it.



It depends on what aspect of the character creation. About the only thing Im not familiar with is sprite ripping. I made all my sprites by hand and then refined them and it was a nightmare...and fact my last character is kinda stuck in limbo because of a spriting problem I wanted to get just perfect....

I will NEVER ask anyone to create a sprite from scratch.

The other aspects youre going to have to explain to me how they take so long as to not be completed in a hard days work
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 07:20:31 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

The deadline?

Im afraid it's for nothing more than lack of trust. That and when I spend money I like to see results quickly before I start to feel totally screwed over.

I mean I wish I had the patience of a saint, but I half suspect being impatient will actually be for the greater good rather than be the guy who is still waiting on that one hypothetical jerk he paid money to instead of moving on to the next project.



Like I said Ive worked on non mugen projects with people a lot and it's been my experience that once they start talking about how much time it's going to take or showing any signs of procrastinating its time to bail out before they screw you big time...

Actually...I never have yet bailed before getting a finished product, but I sure wish I did about 4 seperate times...last time was the charm

And...

I get money in monthly lumps and if Im holding onto money to pay the creator it's kind of like I already spent it and then if nothing gets done its like I was holding onto it for nothing....

And Im sure like 5 more people posted by the time I post this
    

Re: Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might

 August 28, 2013, 07:04:55 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Carmell  in Mugen Bounty 50$ Commission Target: Yamato from Dragoon Might (Started by Carmell August 28, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

....
2 weeks is as high as Im willing to go.



Once again this arrogance is misread

its just the deal Im putting forth

If youre not interested then just let the thread stand for those who might be even under the somewhat unfavorable conditions