KOS Basara, broken char attempt wip or?

[WooshaQ]

Perhaps some of you remember me of my Ibuki edit -> KOS Ibuki. This time I'm editing SS Basara adapting it to the same style, not much to show at this point. I'm editing some sprites to gave him proper MP and HP attack, not like the ones that SDY gave him which are semi projectile not to mention that take way too much damage for a normal attack so I'm changing thise to short distance range. But I'm still strugling which version should I use as a base? Redo all Montana or tweak SDY? I know that SDY is somewhat broken and can be cheap but this is my goal, to make a playable Capcomish Basara (with my personal touches). Still I would prefer to tackle SDY but I need someones help with AI (actually I need this psycho to be LESS agressive, depending on AI level), all the coding and spritework will be done by myself. Anyone willing to contribute?

Actually I looked at both sprites and I would prefere to stick to SDY since spritewise it looks way better...

[WooshaQ]

OK, so I'm sticking to SDY but a bit older version which I'm atempting to balance.
This is the first stop:


The command had been changed to (charge) B,F + button, and there is a limitation to only one projectile attack at the screen so no spamming is allowed anymore.

Now I'm working on this attack:


The command will also be changed to (charge) B,F + button, but I had also removed hitflag on Down. Still there is another thing I want to modify here. The idea is that you will be able to delay the attack. Instead of this portal thingamajig I want a "zipper" to appear, the blade will pop up only after you will let go of the attack button. I'm considering making this delay power up the attack itself, the longer you will delay the blade hiding it behind the "zipper" the stronger the attack will be. But you will not be able to delay forever, after a while it will drain power and after that it will disappear without any attack (I want to make some form of penalty for delaying far too long). I will code the attack but I need help with zipper sprite. Will somebody sprite for me?

[SOLIDUS SNAKE]

Sounds like a cool and interesting concept. Good luck with it bro! 8)

[Handmaiden of the Seascape]

Man, you need glasses.

Where do you see that portal look like a zipper? <_<

[TTTTTsd]

Why is Basara a charge character? That ruins the purpose doesn't it? It confirms that this will not be anything like Basara at all, and will play different in the least pleasurable way possible. My friend has told me to post this for him as well, since he does not wish to register.

For the love of god and all that is holy, play
Samurai Shodown and lots of it because your ideas
make it clear that you have not played as Basara
much. Basara's Soul Spark IS. NOT. A. CHARGE.
MOVE. Second, Basara's little blade coming
out of a portal move is not a charge move either!
You don't have to fuck his commands up to make
it "balanced". If anything, the charge motions
contradict the nature of the moves you are trying
to "fix". Just play Samurai Shodown 3,4, and 5
Special until you get a good understanding of
Basara's gameplay please before you continue
working on this.

Also, the zipper idea is horrible and will look
retarded with Basara. Furthermore, the charge
up addition is a bad idea too. The point of the
attack is keep away and surprising unwary
opponents. It's not a freaking focus attack
type thing.

Finally, it's no use to fix that Basara. SDY's
Basara not only suffers from horrible coding, but
also has misaligned and missing sprites, sprites
not properly ripped, and special fx that make
the eyes of any normal person hurt. There is no
gem you can dig from this pile of junk. If you
wanna make a Basara you are better off doing it
from scratch. SDY's Basara is so bad that you
will always find something new that's wrong with
it.

[WooshaQ]

Well this is my version fitting the concept behind King of Streets Game.

So first of all but least significant, pause menu with command list, improved version with new symbols for commands. Also facing will change the explod with commands showing what is the exact combination basing on what side of the screen character is looking at.


I know some will gonna hate this idea but now he has regular attacks like:


His projectile type attacks were made as specials.

His uppercut does no longer auto target enemy, I programmed him to use 3 different buttons combinations to appear in certain range, if his target will be in a fixed range Basara will only than auto target.


Zipper, actually I used "reversed charging", the longer you delay the weaker the attack will be, also I used hold back command to avoid abuse of this move.  Also three button range of zipper to appear.


His HYPERS:


And DESTROYER:


I know some of you will gonna hate but it is custom, and is not supposed to be played like the original. Still I'm trying to make him "fun" but of course not everybody will like my idea of him as a fighter.

[TTTTTsd]

This is looking and sounding less like Basara then it should, which is awfully dissapointing since he bears the name BASARA. When your character is custom, custom doesn't mean they don't work at ALL like they used to, usually they have something that carries over or remains constant, rather then changing/messing up a currently working movelist. There's a line you cross when you make a character custom. A line between good ideas, innovation and destroying the utter idea completely and totally.

[Joulz]

Man, you need glasses.

Where do you see that portal look like a zipper? <_<

he clearly sees it's not a zipper: he's editing the move to replace the portal to a zipper: his idea, his project

[O Ilusionista]

For the love of god and all that is holy, play
Samurai Shodown and lots of it because your ideas
make it clear that you have not played as Basara
much. Basara's Soul Spark IS. NOT. A. CHARGE.
MOVE.

Bah, this sounds stupid as hell. HE is the creator. HE does WHATEVER he wants to on HIS char.
Stop complaining. If you don't like it, don't download it.

Man, I'm so tired of those so-called experts. If I want to make Ryu's hadouken a 360º I WILL, fuck what peoeple thinks about it.

Just play Samurai Shodown 3,4, and 5
Special until you get a good understanding of
Basara's gameplay please before you continue
working on this.

I LOL so hard here...So he just continue if he plays the original game?
Give me a fucking break...

[Duos.act]

Yes he's allowed to do whatever he wants, but we're also allowed to criticize how silly it looks.  "Free speech" goes both ways, deal with it.

You people like "free speech" when it means you can do whatever you want with your characters, but when people say they don't like how it looks you want censorship.  You can't have one and not the other.

[O Ilusionista]

I'm pretty sure about it. You are allowed to criticize as much as you want, and he can ignore as much as he wants to.
Remember: we need to please ourselves first when creating things for mugen.

Wooshaq, go ahead, the char seams to be very nice.

You people like "free speech" when it means you can do whatever you want with your characters, but when people say they don't like how it looks you want censorship.  You can't have one and not the other.

I never said such thing. Like I said before, you are free to criticize, but he is NOT obligated to follow it.
Deal with that

[Jesuszilla]

more like basura amirite

[O Ilusionista]

Basura is garbage in spanish.
nice joke...

[TTTTTsd]

lolol. Stop complaining? He's simply expressing his opinion, whether or not YOU like it is not of concern, whether or not the AUTHOR likes what he says is not of your concern either. It's not your problem, so don't push and shove your way into someone else's business. He already responded to the statement, so I feel no need for you to muscle in and flaunt thou superiority.

[Orochi Gill]

Ilu, there's times when you should not take the headstrong path, this is one of them.

[O Ilusionista]

And there is a time when you should try to get other people's point.

My point is: this is TOTALLY uncalled

just play Samurai Shodown 3,4, and 5 Special until you get a good understanding of Basara's gameplay please before you continue working on this.

If he was going to fuck the char, I could agree with you. But he wont, judging by his work at Ibuki.
To order someone to stop his own work just because it doesn't pleases you is a bit rude. Way too rude.

whether or not YOU like it is not of concern, whether or not the AUTHOR likes what he says is not of your concern either.

Using your logic...so Neither whatever he does is not of your concern, right?

He already responded to the statement, so I feel no need for you to muscle in and flaunt thou superiority.

I'm not superior than anyone. I just don't like when people goes nutpicking because something SO small.

its not my intention to sound superior or to offend anyone.

[Jesuszilla]

Please tell me where he tells him to stop the work entirely because I'd love to know where that's at.

[Do not even ask]

If he was going to fuck the char, I could agree with you.

Watch there be egg on your face when it turns out WooshaQ was really Slime all along.

[O Ilusionista]

Please tell me where he tells him to stop the work entirely because I'd love to know where that's at.

Here:

Just play Samurai Shodown 3,4, and 5
Special until you get a good understanding of
Basara's gameplay please before you continue
working on this.

If he was going to fuck the char, I could agree with you.

Watch there be egg on your face when it turns out WooshaQ was really Slime all along.

Its life.

Well, I won't derail the topic more.

[TTTTTsd]

Please tell me where he tells him to stop the work entirely because I'd love to know where that's at.

It's not anywhere. It's the old kindergarten hero trick, where casual people that walk in will be impressed as he defends this author from our evil "flaming" tendencies. Also, read, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE. CONTINUE. BEFORE. Context is fun, no?