Lien Neville KOF style character

[NiO ErZeBeTh]

Some of you may remember this character, it has been in the works for quite a long time, later we were tired of it and just left her without any important update, sadly later thedge wanted to update her but made her a little mess (some things were better, some thins weren't)

So, we decided to finally finish her, talking with Walt and Thedge we agree into updating her to release her to the public, I was editing animations this last days, I updated like 9 animations in 3 days, now we need to start fixing new stuff...

I'm gonna post a video, but later will put a few animations to get feedback from other sprites

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJFsah-Rvc
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know issues:
-palette problems, making a better palette was a great idea, but we got a few duplicates and stuff that needs to be fixed manually
-coding issues, it's a playable character, but needs some updates
-missing animations
-horrible sprites (some sprites need to be fixed or made from scracth)

so... wait for her, we plan to release her once and for all!

[MotorRoach]

I'm glad to see this being brought back for a revamp, and yes, some animations need a serious rework. A good bunch of her animations seem to have boobs that defy gravity (specially the standing and walking animations), given all they do is float around... it's really weird.

[mAdLaX]

I'm looking forward on this.

[【ＭＦＧ】gui0007]

Yes, a improved Lien for MUGEN.
I'll be watching this. Good luck NiO!

[NiO ErZeBeTh]

I know they bounce a lot, but we are trying to stay true to the character



also, reading this it says Lien Neville has bigger boobs than any other KOF character http://es.kof.wikia.com/wiki/Lien_Neville

(I kinda remember I already read that before in english), so... yeah, we need to make it accurate x)

[Foobs]

For how long have you guys been working on Lien?

I think the only public beta you released was among the first characters I ever  downloaded.

[MotorRoach]

The problem is not that the boobs bounce a lot, the problem is that they defy gravity in few animations. As in, in the standing animation, her boobs simply levitate upwards at a point

[NiO ErZeBeTh]

I think like 5 years (of course, we haven't been working on her all those years)

also, I get what you say MotorRoach, but this is the reason why (and you can see it in the video)
I made an standing animation, later I got help from Chamat to make it better and again I fixed a few things and did this

OLD


as you can see, it does look better with the bounce there, boobs seems more "natural" if we can say that xD
but Thedge wanted to fix a few things, so he made it slower, and different, it does need one more frame (it dissapears in a certain moment in mugen) and here the result,  does look good but needs less bounce I guess (even if I like  it)

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Also, I have to take a look at both Lien characters, seems the one I have does have a few animations already fixed, just see the old standing one, even if animation is different, it has the zipper and the shared colors gone, same goes with a few others and some missing sprites that I have in this other version

another example...

this is in the "old" version I have... as you can see, it looks good enough

this one is in the "new" one thedge send me... and it's clearly not the updated one, stick arms and stuff thedge and I already fixed before and same goes to a few other sprites


so be patient, we need a lot to do and check xD

[Nexus Games]

can I use your now and later updated animations/sprites
I going to make her in divinewolf style?

[NiO ErZeBeTh]

You should ask Thedge instead, he is the main programmer and also spriter, I can't give that answer alone

[Zerobruno]

overall,she looks good,but dude...fix her boobs...i know that you want to respect the original 3d model,but the animations are just horrible! other than that,it's looking good.

[NiO ErZeBeTh]

Would you give me,some pointers to improve it?

I'm focusing right now on her face, gloves and shoes, becase they are lame in a few sprites, I did like 30 sprite changes in 2 days with those fixes, and there's still more, later we would be doing something else, like her boobs animations or editing all the sprites to resamble the standing one or the inverse thing, the standing should look like all other sprites

[MotorRoach]

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NEW

See, while the old animation is clearly not as good, the boobs didn't defy gravity. In the new one, however, her boobs simply stop in midair when she moves her upper body slightly upwards, given that the animation slows down, making it even more illogical. If you want to keep this speed for this animation, then you really need to keep her boobs down, instead of levitating. It wasn't as much of a problem in the old animation due to the speed and movement it had, but new one is a different story.

[Zerobruno]

i woluld say that the old animation is more"natural",yes it's not perfect,but why not instead of remaking the animation into a new one,why don't you refine and polish the old one? it looks less choppy than the new one and the boobs are not as gravity-defiant as the actual animation,just saying.

[MotorRoach]

The movement on the new animation itself is not even bad. The only wrong thing with it is that using the same breast movement on an animation with a much slower pace just doesn't works.

[AlexSin]

Why does she suddenly move in the NEW animation? (there's one or two frames where she moves fast then she returns to her speed... yeah, I did a horrible job at explaining it).

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NEW

See, while the old animation is clearly not as good, the boobs didn't defy gravity.

They still do though, look at the time of the animation. At a certain point they levitate. They should go down immediately and not stay up there for a little while. They don't do it as much as the NEW animation though, I'll give you that.

I don't like how the stand is animated, I mean it's like her legs shrink. Shouldn't the knees move a little forward?

[NiO ErZeBeTh]

we will take all those suggestions and feedback to make it better, remember the new stand is more likely a sketch made from the old one and we should make it better

[DatKofGuy]

She really has come a long way since this

And that was back when I was still heavily into mugen... its been so long...

[Koop]

Looking good, NiO. I can get you videos of all her animations if you need more references. Also I'd like to take a look at the sprites you have done so far.

[Websta]

Sounds like you're hoarding boob jiggle videos