Classic != better/Fireballs as the thing that sets SF apart from others-Discuss

[Alhambra]

Am I the only one who would much prefer to see one of the girls from SF3?

Makoto, Elena or Ibuki would be better then Karin or R. Mika since they don't really have any equivalents in SF4. And lets face it they're really aren't any equivalents to Makoto.

[Byakko]

Am I the only one who would much prefer to see one of the girls from SF3?

You and the 638543126841638 others who complained about the lack of SF3 girls for SF4 in this topic yeah you're the only one...

[Bastard Mami]

Or the 2346854263546235748 who complains about lack of anything sf3, regardless of the fact that it was a failure.

[Shamrock]

And you two are the 638543126841640 that have complained about people who complaine about the lack of street fighter 4 characters.

[JustNoPoint]

Where are you people getting your statistics?

[Tony 3rd]

Or the 2346854263546235748 who complains about lack of anything sf3, regardless of the fact that it was a failure.

man... i wouldn't say failure. SF3 is like "Blade Runner". it was not a instant hit, and even despised in its release, but as people had their time with it, it achieved "cult" status. its not something for your everyday joe.

BTW, Chun-li and Sakura will have their face models updated.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.capcom-fc.com/sf4/2008/10/post_67.html

[PotS]

The number of people complaining is assumed more than Earth's population, that's how loud they sound.

[Byakko]

And you two are the 638543126841640 that have complained about people who complaine about the lack of street fighter 4 characters.

We wouldn't be doing that if there weren't those others we quote. Anyway, I was more targetting the "am I the only one" part, when there have been several people saying exactly that before through the course of this topic. No, you're not the only one, dammit.

[Iced]

Isnt there any more news about that "mistranslation"?
want my fake hope back!

[c001357]

Or the 2346854263546235748 who complains about lack of anything sf3, regardless of the fact that it was a failure.

man... i wouldn't say failure. SF3 is like "Blade Runner". it was not a instant hit, and even despised in its release, but as people had their time with it, it achieved "cult" status. its not something for your everyday joe.

you actually belive this?

[Tony 3rd]

yes i do. the fact that a 10 year old game is still played competitively until this day, even tough everyday gamer does not even acknowledges its existence does confirm what i said. it is simply is that.

BTW, we should all expect the "wait. there was a SF3?" question after release day.

[Spoonman]

Pretty much. Most of the people I grew up with playing SF2, don't know there's a SF3 and a SF4 in development. I didn't know about SF3 until 2004.

[The Aboriginal One]

I didn't know about it until 2005.

[Bastard Mami]

Comparing sf3 to blade runner is too much, at best it can be compared to dune: only fans of the genre know about it and even just a few of those have bothered with it.

[Tony 3rd]

I actually agree with you (and guess what, I like Dune too!  )

but i always felt that getting to master "parry" was similar to getting who the 4th replicant is.
not everyone get it. but once you do, everything changes.

[c001357]

would you believe me if I said high-level players hate this game?

[Tony 3rd]

No because EVO has SF3, and you can't get higher level than them  8)

BTW (no offense, mmmkay?), I find it FANTASTIC that you don't like SF3, but has a SF3 character on your signature. 

[c001357]

No because EVO has SF3, and you can't get higher level than them  8)

tell me, how many players used chun-li?

BTW (no offense, mmmkay?), I find it FANTASTIC that you don't like SF3, but has a SF3 character on your signature. 

that was intentional.

the only good thing about 3S was the character designs. (2I did a much better job on the graphics and sound.)

and what makes you think 3S is good?

[c001357]

• and just because something is obscure does not mean it has to be good
• Street Fighter III: Third Strike - Street FIghter III: Third Strike, oddly enough, has the exact opposite problem of CvS2. Instead of having no players to tap into the unknown, Third Strike has a ton of players with nothing left to discover. In this case, there is definitely not a shortage of people in the community. New people still get pulled into this game even today. But the funny thing is... well, there's nowhere left for the game itself to go!
  
  The game itself is the limiting factor. Despite having the largest fanbase of players for any of the Fighting Games played at Evo, nothing new is being discovered. The dominant characters in that game are so dominant, that there just isn't anything that can be done about it. In fact, I feel like it has gotten worse. Whereas before, there used to be the trinity of top-tier characters in Ken, Chun Li, and Yun, I don't even feel like Ken is a factor anymore. If you recall from my previous post, I noted that 24 of the 32 possible Top 8 spots from the last 4 years have all been Chun and Yun players. I think there may have been a total of 3 Kens of the 8 players left.
  
  The thing is... it may not matter. The community for Third Strike hasn't gone anywhere. And it's not struggling. The game does not have any lack of interest. So... what's the problem? Well, the problem is that the game has simply grown stale. And not because no one is trying new things, it's because there is absolutely nothing new left in this game to try. I think the game is literally at a point where nothing new can be discovered at all.
  
  So what can the community do to freshen the game up? Probably nothing. But again, why bother when the game is still as hot as ever?
  

[Tony 3rd]

wait... wait... wait... misscommunication detected!


who mentioned "3S" specifically? I said "SF3" as in "Street Fighter 3". I've never defined as "SF3: 3S" or "SF3: NG" or "SF3:2I".

I'm talking about the series as a whole or maybe, due to mentioning the release impact, SF3:NG.

Answering your questions:

1) have no idea. I've never been to an EVO. the closest thing i'v seen was that Daigo Video (in which Chun-li was featured). and i've found a SF3 arcade here were I live just  yesterday (actually, is one of those Arcades machines with tons of games in it, and they have the entire SF3 series). but, i read a lot. and from those reading, High-profile SF players generally prefer SF3 and its parry system. which character, and which version is more popular, i have no idea.

2) SF3:3S is good for the same reason the whole series is good: Innovative designs, deep gameplay etc... what would detach 3S from the rest of the series would be:

*Chun-li, Makoto Q, and Twelve: the return of "Miss Street Fighter", a new, interesting, twist on the "Karate guy" concept, the  first "WTF?" character on the franchise (Blanka is more "Freak" or "Savage Figthing" than "WTF?"), and the first "morphing" (actual morphing, not "stretch" as Dhalsim) character on the franchise. i don't add Remy, because i don't like his "i'm not a fighter" attitude.

*Actually takes the series closer (but just a very small tidbit) to SF2: Urien mentioned "that organization" chun-li helped destroy. Q is to belived to have witnessed the fall of shadaloo.

*it refined the system, as every SF iteration did.


still, my favorite SF3 is 2nd Impact, because it 14 character roster, Gouki as secret boss and secret character, Shin Gouki as Secret non-selectable boss, and the overall art does feel more "Street Fighter" than the rest of the series. and it is a tournament, unlike 3S.

still, during this entire conversation, I've never refered to 3S specifically. I was talking about the entire SF3 series.