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What design do you prefer to be the new official default pal? (Check page 3)

Current one with fishnet stockings
2 (33.3%)
New one with fishnet stocking showing part of the thighs
0 (0%)
New one with fishnet stocking showing part of the thighs plus garter belt a (extra black line where fishnet stockings end)
4 (66.7%)

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#21  December 27, 2020, 09:40:53 pm
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By the way, letting aside the fixes of current version... What would you like to see in an hypothetical alternative version of this character?

Just sayin'...  :wink3:
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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#22  December 27, 2020, 09:57:42 pm
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Hum, I have various hot ideas (?) but first, you have something in plans, right? xD

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#23  December 27, 2020, 10:06:57 pm
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I dunno... Maybe.  ::)



Hot enough?

By the way, this is not an alternative skin or stuff like that. Sorry. It's only the first sprite of intro vs. Yuki, other of my creations.

Any other ideas?  :mellow:

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#24  December 27, 2020, 10:24:29 pm
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Blue_blood said, December 27, 2020, 09:40:53 pm
By the way, letting aside the fixes of current version... What would you like to see in an hypothetical alternative version of this character?

Just sayin'...  :wink3:

I'm not sure to understand this question.

Are you talking of a full aternative spriteset for her.
Or using CS to simulate different clothes?

I thought about giving her some dress as an alternate.
But not a school costume.

I would give her more stand command moves.
Perhaps some air throw.
perhaps some other variations in her "rekka" special (QBC+P)
I would give her some command throw. something with a bit of "femme fatale" feeling.


Also, My only visual "complain" would be about when playing Aoi, I have some very constant Athena graphics feeling.
OK, the sprites comes from various inspirations from other SNK girls, but some poses are still very Athena-ish. like her palm push.

Also her close HK seems a bit strange. (looks like it's based on this strange Mai kick in kof)

Don't take me wrong. the result is good.
But many times I feel like I want to change some of them with other poses.

Her throws are a bit generic, even if it's ok.

The overall animation work is really good! Again. I always liked your work and this one is one more masterpiece.
Hope my message will not sound bad or something. This is just that I had that in mind and felt lazy about typing it, because english is a lot of work for me... Hope it can help.

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#25  December 27, 2020, 10:40:13 pm
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You did a great job, sis!
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Blue_blood

Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#26  December 27, 2020, 10:44:02 pm
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Firstly, no, I'm not taking wrong. I asked for it so it's correct I take it. And I give thanks for the feedback.

Unfortunately, the strongest wash of face was already applied during 2020 so many things won't be remade. I'd love to with other of my projects (like Luise) but if I keep remaking things it's impossible to move forward with new things. And I say this for mugen chars and for life in general.

Athena's feeling will stay there since it was a strong base. (And I love the palm push XD, sorry)

Now I guess I should had made the question right to the point from the beginning.

I'm not talking a CS because she will have a very intensive one. I'm not making a poll to decide that, ja ja. It will be done so if you have suggestions I have some missing pals available for your suggestions.

An alternative clothes is a suicide. The sprite sheet is huge so please don't imagine her in her motorcycle outfit all the time because that's not gonna happen. If XENOMIC is reading you may have a midnight bliss with that clothes but that's all.

I wasn't talking about a full sheet either. BUT... some other special and super special moves maybe?

So I'd like you to write more about your suggestions:

I would give her more stand command moves. <I agree
Perhaps some air throw. <let's keep making her a bitch, alright
perhaps some other variations in her "rekka" special (QBC+P) <More chains like Kyo? Alright...
I would give her some command throw. something with a bit of "femme fatale" feeling. <Any character as example to illustrate your "femme fatale" point? I'd hate to misunderstand that XD

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#27  December 28, 2020, 12:49:31 am
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Koop said, December 27, 2020, 02:48:36 pm
Happy release! I've tried out Aoi and she is very fun to use. The sprite work is top notch and I like how the moveset has been implemented.  :D

I have a little bit of feedback:

- There appears to be a debug flood involving "target" and helper(1005). I haven't looked at her code but if I had to guess, I believe both issues would be found in the cornerpush segment of the code.
-There does not appear to be palfx on any of her fire attacks. Additionally, if she is hit by another character who has moves with palfx, she only flashes with the palfx momentarily.

I am also very curious as to why custom hit states are used for what seems to be all of her attacks. Did you find a bug or more strange behaviour within mugen's common states?

hi koop! I've been trying to fix the debug problem with the help of Vans. they come from me bad writing for triggers like a "numhelper (1005) = 0 || numhelper (1005) && helper (1005), var (x)

the correct wording would be

trigger1 = !numhelper (1005)
trigger2 = numhelper (1005)
trigger2 = helper (1005), var (x)

I am currently detecting and rewriting all lines of code of that type.

About the custom states, they are a direct port of my fullgame, with much less, but they make me program much easier and more effective things like

-changeanim2: many chars have horrible collisions, and for precise movements like Kyo's shiki kai I need them to have collisions identical to KOF
-palfx: gethit has an ID for the palfx in the custom states. This can be controlled unlike the hitdef palfx where the time cannot be controlled and they are overridden if the char already has its own palfx like the max mode
-vels
-flash, counter, etc
I hope you understand despite my poor English. thank you very much for the feedback

Scal said, December 27, 2020, 03:16:49 pm
Very nice release, congratulations to both of you.

Here are the things I have noticed so far:
- HSDM: green background effect interaction with WinKO effect gives a weird effect when opponent got killed by the very first hits. Maybe you should update them by adding the parameter kill = 0
- Run: able to roll / CD while holding down. Command moves / normal moves should be triggered instead
- Constants: head.pos Y slightly off (~ -10 pixels)
- Neutral jumps: do not play the good sound (regular jump) if down is briefly pressed before
- Debug messages flood (already mentioned by KoopaKoot)
- Throw escape: freezes some opponents, it happened against KoopaKoot's Takuma

- I must test how the background behaves with the kusanagi max2 in KOF02 um
- Fixed. Thanks!
- I was based on the sprite 5010,0 which is the most used for head grabs
- Fixed. Thanks!
- in process
- oh, , i've tested it on  KoopaKoot's kyo/kula/mai/mary/vice/vanessa/king and i haven't had any problems. but i will check it

Thanks so much Scal.
I admire you a lot

Meldo Wiseau said, December 27, 2020, 03:48:10 pm
https://streamable.com/9s6w0j
this happens when you chain her air fireball into her light normals

this is a dope creation btw, great work!

I'm working on that bug, thanks for the video ! xp

Thank you again for the feedback. It helps me a lot to learn and improve my work
Last Edit: December 28, 2020, 12:54:37 am by Kusaa Ist

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#28  December 28, 2020, 01:40:23 am
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Best SNK Styled release of the year, thanks Mr.

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#29  December 28, 2020, 03:23:15 am
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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#30  December 28, 2020, 04:44:45 am
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Thanks for the video.

For fixed release you will have some extra intros to show n_~
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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#31  December 28, 2020, 11:02:58 am
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Blue_blood said, December 28, 2020, 04:44:45 am
Thanks for the video.

For fixed release you will have some extra intros to show n_~

I PM'd you about precisions.
So, I will not post big unneccessary text to the release thread !

Kusaa Ist said, December 28, 2020, 12:49:31 am

Thanks for updating her.
I think you guys did some awesome project.
There is a lot of potential to make this character one of the best KOF original ever released!

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I don't know if this have been talked about / fixed.
But I think Aoi's command move "Slide kick" velocity is a too long.
This kind of move should not go so far away.

Perhaps use a velocity closer to Mai's command move "sliding kick" (distance of 1 or 1,5 character reach)
Just my suggestion.


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I think her special move "dash flying kick" Half circle back + K     , could have a higher Y verlocity.
Right now it gives the feeling she just try to do a hop and fall heavily.
I would suggest that.
LK version to fly and hit a bit higher than right now. (really few pixels)
HK version to fly and hit EVEN higher and go a farther.


Perhaps, the LK version can have a shorter startup time.
And HK version have longer startup delay, but have a first hit before the actual kick. 1st hit during handstand position, then 2nd hit diring flying kick part.

These are just suggestion.
I don't want to change what you planned for her, just my vision on how to make her even better.


Good luck for the next updates to both of you.

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#32  December 28, 2020, 03:53:01 pm
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Nedflandeurse said, December 28, 2020, 11:02:58 am
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I don't know if this have been talked about / fixed.
But I think Aoi's command move "Slide kick" velocity is a too long.
This kind of move should not go so far away.

Perhaps use a velocity closer to Mai's command move "sliding kick" (distance of 1 or 1,5 character reach)
Just my suggestion.

i used King velocity, but i try to change it on next act.

Nedflandeurse said, December 28, 2020, 11:02:58 am
I think her special move "dash flying kick" Half circle back + K     , could have a higher Y verlocity.
Right now it gives the feeling she just try to do a hop and fall heavily.
I would suggest that.
LK version to fly and hit a bit higher than right now. (really few pixels)
HK version to fly and hit EVEN higher and go a farther.

Perhaps, the LK version can have a shorter startup time.
And HK version have longer startup delay, but have a first hit before the actual kick. 1st hit during handstand position, then 2nd hit diring flying kick part.

These are just suggestion.
I don't want to change what you planned for her, just my vision on how to make her even better.

Good luck for the next updates to both of you.

I understand your point, in fact many have suggested that I make it faster. The problem is that it has a lot of other fast moves, so I decided to make it a counterattack move, not a combo move. That's why it has immunity on roll, it does a lot of damage and, if it counter, it sends you to bounce to the corner.

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#33  December 28, 2020, 04:27:26 pm
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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#34  December 29, 2020, 12:14:58 am
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Me encanta!! Feliz navidad y gracias por el regalo!
Pequeña duda; donde puedo configurar para cambiar los sparks de modo kof 2k2 UM a los sparks de kof XI?

I love it!! Merry Christmas and thanks for the gift!
Little doubt; where can I configure to change kof 2k2 UM mode sparks to kof XI sparks?
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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#35  December 29, 2020, 12:35:17 am
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Nevermind, there's nothing I can do
Bet your life there's something killing you
It's a shame we have to die, my dear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
What a way to go, but have no fear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time
It's a shame we have to disappear
No one's getting out of here alive
This time, this time, this time

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#36  December 30, 2020, 01:56:36 am
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I have been summoned??? Ah...a Midnight Bliss? Yeah, haven't done any of those in a couple years, and haven't seen anyone that's been interested in doing them for the project, so don't know if that'd be a thing that will come from me. Wonder what would be a good one for her though. Hm....

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#37  December 30, 2020, 03:04:31 am
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We're deciding between the bike suit or the school one...
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#38  December 30, 2020, 04:33:04 am
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Ah, I see. Which is her bike suit? I see the school one, very reminiscent of Iori's which isn't a bad thing (assuming that's the one), but need to see this other one first~

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Re: Aoi Kusanagi MUGEN CHAR
#39  December 30, 2020, 04:53:35 am
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I'll be sending a PM tomorrow.
Meanwhile:



I did this a very long while ago so I plan to polish it a little. Discard the helmet and change the position of that arm (just like the uniform pose)

By the way, Iori's MB is awful. He's absolutely gorgeous as man so I don't understand why the female version is so poorly attractive... That's why I tried the same uniform with Aoi. Just to teach him how that uniform should be worn.  :mellow:

Even though I don't use the uniform for MB I'm making a special intro vs. girls with school uniform like Athena XI, Kisarah and my own Yuki.
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#40  December 30, 2020, 05:14:16 am
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Ooh, that looks pretty good, actually! I'd vote that one over the uniform for the MB, if you have no other ideas in store~
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