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Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 December 07, 2020, 09:36:59 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Team Name:
Nation of 'A'

I'm extremely sorry for my sluggish response; I never got an email notifying me of this post.

Unfortunately, I think I'm gonna have to say no to Wario largely due to his beefed up stats, and Toki because of his crazy damage output (and being an HNK character, I anticipate he has a OHKO anyway). The other two characters pass just fine, though.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 November 21, 2020, 10:29:35 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 November 19, 2020, 09:01:52 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Team Menaces of The Attitude Era

I think BBH is a little strong for me to let through largely due to her frequent dizzying, but I have no qualms with the rest of the team.


TEAM NAME:
...VTNC (I'm sorry...)


No problem at all! Unfortunately, The Dream seems to crash MUGEN whenever it's time for him to load, but otherwise this team is fine.


Wold ShowBuySpirit's Hakolen (with AI created by Ouchi) suffice as a replacement for Gamelen?

Also rename my Len team in your Google Docs list of teams to Kohaku's Experimented Len Clones please.


HakoLen works for me, and certainly.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 November 14, 2020, 09:50:50 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Also another suggestion I'd make is a list showing who is all registered for the tournament

Though I have used one for personal use, making it public would be a good idea. I'm throwing it here and also adding it to the OP.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing
I've left Amidweiz out not for any reasons of animosity, but because I haven't received word of team replacements. I'm happy to rectify this if you're still interested, though I understand if you're not.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 November 11, 2020, 12:22:38 AM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 November 05, 2020, 11:40:13 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

I haven't heard any words about my team yet, but just to let you that Isaac is more of a HP keeper/berserker once his ultra burst activates, and he still keeps his attack buffs even after ultra burst is over, which feels pretty dang OP.

Want me to replace him with Mika Returna? (10th Palette) Unless everything is fine.



My apologies, real life's kept me tangled. I did have concerns with Isaac, even if it's largely to do with his UB, so I'd welcome an alternative.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 28, 2020, 11:20:01 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Extremely sorry for the late replies to the first two teams here; my empty head was literally too focused on the fact that there was a second page for me to double-check the first.

Team Name: Team Cringe

I'll have to say no to Daga-Ru and The Mask, with the former boasting an insta kill and some borderline infinite shenanigans and the latter having some extremely oppressive AI.

TEAMNAME: Morning Glory

Everyone checks out here except Luise, due to her crazy high stats.

Kohaku's team of Robotic Lens (am I getting my Type-Moon right?)

I think I have to veto Robo Len on account of her overall power, and Oboren keeps bugging out of the stage (on top of already being quite spammy), so I can't let them through either. The latter half of the team seems fine, though.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 28, 2020, 08:31:49 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

I feel like I'm rambling on here so I'll come up with a replacement.

Honestly? I do appreciate the input. Having an external perspective helps a lot. And I completely missed the last two teams on the first page, wow. I think I'll let Thud through if you'd still like to include him.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 27, 2020, 11:21:26 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Last time you gave me an reason why though... a vague answer of being more oppressive than the rest of the teams which I saw that but an answer nevertheless, all I'm getting here is evil dan bad. That doesn't really help me out with selecting replacements since there isn't really a baseline upon what is cheap, hence why I had that all those bullet points on my tournament upon what your character plus AI shouldn't do.

You're totally right, I'm sorry. The damage outputs are generally my concern here. Thud's single hits are both fast and pack a punch, leading to a lot of one-sided fights. Dan kinda toes the line, but I feel he's particularly evasive and his clone move opens up for some nasty shenanigans. Satinsect is in a similar boat as Thud, with the reach of his attacks being the secondary concern. And Geese was just too powerful, pulling off half-health combos with relative ease and then adding on even more damage with aerial double reppukens that hit while the opponent is still on the ground.

EDIT: I will say, though, if it feels as though I'm being too strict (or outright inconsistent) on what's allowed, I'm open to discussion (don't want to promise anything, but I'm honestly leaning toward repealing my veto of Thud, who I think I may be overestimating). Though I am the one hosting, I don't do these exclusively for myself, and as such I'm fine with community input given that I'm turning to the community to set these up anyway.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 27, 2020, 12:27:23 AM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Team reject modernity, embrace apt questionable traditionalism
I do feel bad doing this to ya again, but I don't think I can pass anyone on this team (I recall banning Evil Dan last time around, though I believe he was on someone else's team? I gave him another spin for consistency, but ultimately decided he was too much).


I hope these make suitable replacements, its getting increasingly difficult to find big replacements for the big team.

Oh, my apologies. By "pass", I meant "accepted"; which two of the three characters in the folder did you want to use as replacements?


I will replace Akuma Good Ghost with Vega by Soy Sauce:
Replacement accepted. My sincerest apologies, however; it's ultimately my fault for my unclear wording and I thought I'd clarified this previously, but apparently didn't, but I gotta say no to Rashou Mon.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 22, 2020, 12:29:08 AM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

>Inb4 goodman upset part 2

TEAM NAME: BIG CHUNGUS


It's funny, I went into testing this team fully expecting to veto GL right off the bat, but I honestly think he's kosher (unless his AI just has yet to wake up, though I've put him through more fights than usual just to be certain and nothing's really changed about his behavior). I'm gonna have to say no to Zodd and Vebel, though, on the premise that they deal way too much damage (and Zodd is rather tanky on top of that). I think I'll give Hauzer a tentative pass; that armor super is concerning, but it didn't seem to be especially difficult for anyone I tested him with to deal with.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 19, 2020, 08:56:02 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Meldo and Roy's teams are all good to go.

Team Name: Rebellion
I do hate to say it, but I'm afraid this team is overall a bit too powerful. Each of them have some impressive damage output, and Athena is unusually tanky to boot.
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 14, 2020, 09:26:00 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Sorry for the slow replies. Been juggling some job app stuff and I wanted to give the thread some time to test multiple teams in one go anyway.

Team Hey That's Me!

Akuma seems to be for MUGEN 1.1, unless I'm missing a 1.0 .def in his files. I'll readily confess that it's kinda silly that I'm still behind a version, but I've just had too much compatibility trouble with 1.1 (although I could try to set up a separate game on 1.1 for the purposes of the tournament). And I'd really like to let Rashou Mon through, but his instakill does concern me. Yuri and Hisui are a-okay, though.


ill sumbit my team

This team is all good to go, though I need a name, and is that the order you'd like them in?
    

Re: A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 08, 2020, 07:46:41 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

I had an idea at one point to work out a base team of characters to compare off of, like a rule stick. Using that you could run the measuring team with each entry in the tourney to see where they stand. Even giving them an average rank such as A-, B+, C, Etc.

I use a similar method to make teams to participate in these tourneys, but the same could be applied to the host. I believe it could lead to much more entertaining matches, at the cost of a later release if you wanted to sift out the low tiers using this method.

I've done something similar in the past, but never so formally; I think being more consistent with it is definitely a good idea, though. I'll try to construct a decent base team with previous tournaments in mind.
    

A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament?

 October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in A Most Belated, But No Less Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament? (Started by SerbianYugoThief October 06, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Question mark in the title because who knows what the interest will be, especially given that I'm rather late this time around, but hey, can't know unless I try.

Bit of explanation for the few who might've been following these tournaments and wondering where I've been: I typically post invitations for this around May or so, but early in the year, my hard drive died, and I figured it was about time I replaced my PC anyway. Due to COVID, it took some time for my parts to arrive, and when they finally did, I spent some time breaking the new PC in. Then, when I felt about ready to make a post to gauge interest in another tournament, my brand new PSU failed spectacularly, leaving me once again without a PC for an extended period of time.
With that all out of the way, though, I'll throw my hat in the ring for the fourth time and see if there's enough people interested in these shenanigans to justify another AI tournament.

Summary for the uninitiated:
16 teams of 4 AI-controlled characters are set to fight in a ladder format, best two out of three.

Settings:
MUGEN 1.0
8 Difficulty
100% Life
80 second timer
DrKelexo's Alien Soldier screenpack because it's awesome and not gaudy.

Rules/Whatnot:
- No overpowered characters, naturally. The definition of this is of course subjective, but I think I can reasonably come to a conclusion on what's too strong. There'll probably be discrepancies in character strengths, but that's MUGEN, baby!
- No characters that generally befuddle the average AI, such as those that are exceptionally small or have constant super armor (I'll actually stand by this rule this time; no cursors need apply).
- Your characters should have at least reasonable AI. It's not the most exciting watching two potatoes bounce around for 80 seconds.
- Please link to characters (and AI patches, if you deem them necessary).
- Also provide a team name, specific palettes if desired, and the order in which you want your team to take, as well as any specific grooves/modes they may come with, otherwise they will be random.
- You may change team members and team names up until the last participant submits their team.

Assuming 16 people (be they on or off-site) are interested, the entire tournament will be uploaded as one video (probably, just to avoid clutter) to Youtube with only the minimum required editing. I promise no "wacky" effects, commentary, or fanfictiony plot nonsense. I'll plug a team of my own in if need be to reach the cap.

The list of current teams may unceremoniously be found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0qomfhybaVW_5Z7rjp-wdRuOyk9hAYicolU9BioS6Y/edit?usp=sharing
    

Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival

 February 06, 2020, 09:00:40 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival (Started by Amidweiz January 31, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Oh, I just double-checked the spreadsheet; my team's full name is "MUGEN by The Jester" (in reference to quote/scene from an AVGN episode), just in case there was any confusion (I only mention this because there's a longer name already on there, so I'm assuming it's not a matter of shortening it).
    

Re: The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival

 February 01, 2020, 11:30:35 PM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in The Good Ol' Mugen AI Tournament: Revival (Started by Amidweiz January 31, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

    

Re: Once More, a Most Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament

 September 16, 2019, 05:50:28 AM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in Once More, a Most Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament (Started by SerbianYugoThief July 03, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

It is kinda hard to balance a mugen tournament roster that's for sure. Hence why I've seen people have a closed roster setup where people just select characters that are the roster (like Mysterious0Bob's fake world tournament) since the host knows to an extent how the characters are going to behave. Even with my tournaments in the past I had to do some drastic measures with it especially with allowing Saber Alter by pre_to to be in it, but then realizing how broken the character was when it flattened a counter pick from someone I can't remember offhand's to said character even with the %300 life I had set it to. I had to retroactively ban the character and re-record the fights with the team with saber alter on it.

I might start doing that in the next tournament if necessary. I'd also absolutely do a closed roster tournament in that style if my roster was actually impressive to any degree, but I go without a lot of characters others might consider staples (all my street fighter characters, for instance, are joke edits or Reuben Kee's Evil Ken and Ryu, and also Alex, inexplicably).
    

Re: Once More, a Most Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament

 September 04, 2019, 08:31:12 AM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in Once More, a Most Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament (Started by SerbianYugoThief July 03, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

they were all mainstays from my old ai tourney streams lol

Damn, that's cool to know. It's kinda neat knowing the winner has a legacy of sorts. I'd say next tournament I oughta make my team along similar lines, but that kinda was my team this time around (with Dink slapped in because I wasn't sure who else to pick and didn't want 100% repeats, so I went with another favorite of mine. I was also very close to picking Krookadile or Senator).


also I remember being called out for a character parrying almost everything but this ryu got in which does pretty much that.

BoyzBoyz version of broly is also quite the mess with it's unblockable supers, and years of invul though it pretty much never blocks any attack you throw at it... you just have to get through all the dumb shit first. Also I've noticed Azrael was doing some funky things like managing to OCV an entire team with something to cause opponents to do fuck and all to him. (but then getting flattened by H"s Iori among things) I'm sure there is some Blazblue mechanic that an AI could totally abuse that is doing that but I'm having severe doubts about such.

Yea, I was about to rage hard seeing mine and other peoples teams get fucked by default mugen AI because that character floats and has super armour.


I guess I didn't think it was as severe, or he gave me a deceptive first impression, or something to that effect. And yeah, Azrael was kinda nutty in hindsight. He probably could've carried the entire team the whole way if his AI were more consistent. I think that at the end of the day, though, a completely balanced MUGEN tournament is a relative impossibility. I ultimately do these for fun, anyway -- I just want teams to be contestable by enough of the others.

And I'm just glad my apparently gross fucking incompetence didn't rob the tourny of a proper victor. Still don't know what I was thinking. Just glad he didn't get completely out of control and that his opponents could handle him to some extent (Senryou was basically a hard counter, amusingly)
    

Re: Once More, a Most Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament

 September 01, 2019, 01:20:40 AM View in topic context
 Posted by SerbianYugoThief  in Once More, a Most Arbitrary MUGEN AI Tournament (Started by SerbianYugoThief July 03, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
 Board: M.U.G.E.N Discussion

Yeah, sorry. Between going on vacation immediately after getting enough submissions, beginning a job search, and my usual recording blunders, it's finally here. Sorry if your team got decimated immediately; maybe next time I should intervene with RNG's placement of everyone's team to make the opening fights more fair.



Also I only now realized I forgot to include everyone's name. I might actually re-edit the video to include them (then again, I also might just list who's who in the description because these tournaments take nearly a full day to render, no exaggeration). Also holy fuck Cursor was such a mistake to allow and is definitely banned from here on out.