Miru962 said, March 23, 2024, 09:56:13 pm

4. Embrace the grit and go in a direction more akin to Mortal Kombat. It’s pretty rare to see Capcom characters, especially non-SF ones, in a more MK-ish style.

This is absolutely not happening, no matter what. Just because a game has finishing moves and a slightly grittier tone, doesn't mean you have to go the MK route in any way, shape or form. I'm not having Ryu uppercut Batsu's head off or anything like that, because that is one hundred per cent not what Capcom characters do. And anyone who asks me for this again can go suck on a lemon.

Unless you happen to like lemons, in which case the whole thing falls apart, I guess.

Yeah, that's not super uncommon honestly.  Characters can change a lot between concept art and finalization. 

I'm glad you didn't. Though... I'm quite surprised you didn't include a MK guest char.

EVO will NEVER have Smash anymore. After all, Sony owns EVO now, and Sony absolutely HATES Nintendo.

Sure, go ahead. I'm interested to see what you come up with 

I do have to agree about the fatality thing, I just dont think itd work at all and would just be way too out of place. I initially remembered the declaration of victory thing wrong and thought it was an easy "I win the round" taunt that didnt actually have anything to do with the original rounds system. I guess finishing moves in the style of GG instakills would probably work better for that kind of function but at the same time itd be really hard to make them for some characters if they already have a level 3 that is just as flashy to finish with.

I feel like the actual CFAS roster probably had the same problems people had with CFJ, though it was probably more understandable than that since CFAS was made from the ground up and CFJ was an asset dump. It feels like they wanted to represent as many archetypes as they could so not every fan favorite was able to get in, but that could probably be remedied now if we have four more slots to add to the general roster and at least two we could probably replace (assuming we leave out DD and Rook if they're really that uninteresting). Despite Zeku making the inclusion age funny in hindsight, I guess Strider could set a precedent for some non-FG picks though I feel like I would want at least one weirder pick than the typical Dantes and Megamans that everyone wants to see. It would probably require a bit of digging but I'm sure it could be done.

SquidlyPoli1 said, January 28, 2024, 08:45:04 pm

I feel like the declaration of victory thing could be done if it were the other way around, the user surrendering to their opponent and getting a full meter for the next round (like a samsho suicide). I don't feel like instakills are as interesting as making a taunt stop the flow of a match, although maybe that's just me getting tired of arcsys conversions and some astral heats trying way too hard to be flashy.
The roster is probably the part I'm most willing to talk about but I didn't see the entire roster of the original CFAS so I don't really know how well things were represented. I like the idea of playing with the "Street Fighter extended universe" idea but I feel like a Capcom crossover fighter would have to represent much more than that.

I just mean in terms of wherever Declaration of Victory could even be done in MUGEN on a technical level. I'm kind of leery about putting it in at all anyway, since it sounds like one of those mechanics that was geared towards the arcade audience and would frustrate players on home consoles/PCs or whatever.

The roster for the original CFAS was oddly conservative. It was only 16 characters, inclding the four original characters and the guest character, and it consisted of:

• Ryu (Street Fighter)
• Chun-Li (Street Fighter II)
• Alex (Street Fighter III)
• Charlie (Street Fighter Alpha)
• Mike Haggar (Final Fight)
• Poison (Final Fight)
• Batsu (Rival Schools)
• Akira (Rival Schools)
• Strider Hiryu (Strider)
• Demitri (Darkstalkers)
• Akuma (Street Fighter II)
• D.D. (Capcom Fighting All-Stars)
• Rook (Capcom Fighting All-Stars)
• Ingrid (Capcom Fighting All-Stars)
• Avel/Death (Capcom Fighting All-Stars)
• Kyo Kusanagi (King of Fighters guest character)

So... yeah. Very focused on the "shared universe" of Street Fighter, Final Fight and Rival Schools, very little representation from other franchises. That's not to say a more "grounded" crossover couldn't work - Street Fighter V literally confirmed Strider to be part of the larger SF universe, so Strider being here is kind of hilarious in hindsight. But still, even I think there's wiggle room to get some more weird characters in there.

Say, for example, Edward Falcon from Power Stone is in. We can easily say he's from England, since the original world of Power Stone is literally just a fantastical version of Earth. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to just retailor his story and plonk him into this shared universe we're cooking up. And since Darkstalkers characters keep creeping in, who's to say that Makai doesn't exist in the world of Street Fighter? It's no crazier than literal oni or robots walking around. And if we have robots like Seth, then what's stopping us from saying a version of Tron Bonne or Mega Man exists here? That last one's a bit of a stretch, but you get what I mean, right?

Also, I would have just not bothered with the original characters myself. One or two, maybe - one for the final boss. But they were generally lame overall, and I wouldn't have given three whole slots over to them.

I don't know, when they scrapped the characters for KoFXII, they didn't come back for any installment that came after, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were gone for good.

Wait, really? I thought it had its own timeline. Well, lets hope they use this opportunity then. Its really a shame that Maximum Impact wasn't given any attention after Regulation A, not even in that mobile game.