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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: THE END (until the next movie comes out)

 September 17, 2021, 01:25:00 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Marvel Cinematic Universe: THE END (until the next movie comes out) (Started by Iced July 15, 2012, 03:54:44 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Eh.  I get it, that's fine enough.  Still was weird in just the singular show's context.
    

Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: THE END (until the next movie comes out)

 September 17, 2021, 12:36:14 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Marvel Cinematic Universe: THE END (until the next movie comes out) (Started by Iced July 15, 2012, 03:54:44 AM
 Board: Entertainment

That reminds me I still need to catch the Tony Stark/Kilmonger episode.  After I watch Black Panther at some point.

So far the series has been a mixed bag personally.  Liked the Doctor Strange episode and T'Challa as Starlord episode, parts of the Carter one too, but the rest have been forgettable.  Really thought the zombie episode was gonna lean more into the comic version with them retaining some semblance of self instead of just one of a million zombie flicks where the zombies are established as nothing further beyond an obstacle.  Oh well.

Oh also I went through all of WandaVision.  I see why its a bit polarizing now.  The whole real world aspect of the show is quite drab and boring and the final two/three episodes derailing the already out-there t.v. sitcom aspect to left turn into the Salam Witch Trials (Or the witches of Salam doing their own personal trial.  Yes, directors, very cute, very clever) and throw in a villain to actually fight didn't sit very well with me.  Did not care in the slightest for Agatha.  But, the aspects of delving into why Wanda isn't really that much of a hero and really quite selfish but sympathetic were interesting enough to carry the show.

Also hi White Vision.  Bye White Vision.  Literally was there for all of 5 or so minutes just to get logic bombed and piss off.  Weird they didn't give him more to do.  The Ship of Theseus parallels were neat though.
    

Re: Nickelodeon All Star Brawl

 September 16, 2021, 02:07:53 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Nickelodeon All Star Brawl (Started by walt July 13, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
 Board: Fighting Games

It hasn't come up much in discussions that I've seen, but I wonder now what they plan for alt. colors?  Probably jam in as many references as they can, but I also assume they're not allowed to alter someone like SpongeBob's appearance too drastically just for marketing purposes.

The turtles are probably going to get the same raw deal Sonic does in Smash Bros. since they're all color coordinated and have super minimal physical differences between one-another.  Leonardo's probably just going to get 8 choices along the blue color scale on his bandana.
    

Re: Nickelodeon All Star Brawl

 September 16, 2021, 01:17:40 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Nickelodeon All Star Brawl (Started by walt July 13, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
 Board: Fighting Games

Ah cool, DLC confirmed.  If not already in the base game, then my number one expected character they'd have to do is Squidward.  SpongeBob is Nick's Super Mario, it can't have too much overrepresentation, and everyone loves Squidward.  Even the ones who haven't watched or like SpongeBob.

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We’ve seen gameplay footage of a stage from the Avatar series. Who might we expect from the original series or The Legend of Korra to be part of the roster?

Hopefully, your favorite! All in due time.
Surprise me, Ludocity.  Make my day.  Have an Appa/Momo tag team character.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 15, 2021, 11:45:30 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

The point on Beerus erasing Zamasu from existence yet Goku Black continuing to exist is a good point to bring up.  That may negate Reverse Flash's whole ace in the hole.  Even if he does eliminate a prior Zamasu, Goku Black should still continue to exist.  I don't remember WHY that was the case and I don't particularly want to rewatch Super, never mind my least favorite arc, but I'm assuming it has something to do with Black being labeled a whole new being thus his history begins at the wish to swap his and Goku's bodies around.  So the earliest Reverse Flash should go to following his life in reverse would be.....here?



Which hey, that IS an extremely weaker Goku Black to the rest of the series when he figures out how to use that body's powers.....but it's still a Saiyan Beyond God base form Goku Black, that whole x9 universal scaling and whatnot.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 15, 2021, 02:12:09 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Rose is literally just Super Saiyan Blue, the exact same form, with a different color for merchandising effect.  The color difference reasoning is handwaved in-universe as the difference between a legitimate Kai/God using both God ki and regular ki compared to a mortal using both God ki and your stock basic.  Otherwise it's just there because pink is flashy and matches with black well.  Anything Goku and Vegeta could do prior to the Tournament of Power, which really only differs at all for Vegeta, Black can exactly do as well.

Black's time jumping doesn't particularly at face value counter the Speed Force, but it does also break logic and what they can actually do in their universes, so we'll just have to wait and see how much that helps.  Ultimately, the main thing Reverse Flash has over Black in the time department is Black's time travel is not a natural ability.  It comes from the ring he's wearing.  If you can break that, he's stuck.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 15, 2021, 01:20:55 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

The transformations introduced in Super don't have official multipliers as I recall, though we can all assume the minimum is Blue is God times 10.  So it's hard to gauge what Super Saiyan Rose's ultimate potential is.  But by comparison to regular Goku's power up to the point that Zamasu took over his body, if I'm reading Death Battle's own math correctly, he would be minimally x9 universal at base, x90 universal as a SSJ, x180 at SSJ2 and x3600 universal at SSJ3.  To which Super Saiyan God is an unknown degree above SSJ3 beyond being completely untouchable, to which then you get your Blue/Rose form which is SSJG x10.

So essentially whatever Goku Black's potential will be is > 9 universes (x 3600(x10)).  I think.

To say nothing of course of Dragon Ball Heroes' nonsense power levels they make up on the fly to sell new toys.  SSJ4 keeps getting passive upgrades to being on par with whatever new monster or transformation form is at hand, because Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta are just SO impressive and blah blah blah.  Black is even more ridiculous there, but so far they haven't taken Heroes into consideration and I agree with that decision.

You also have that little bit of weirdness at the second episode of Goku Black's reveal where him in base and still even just learning how to make proper use of Goku's body.....also stood on par fighting against good guy Goku as a Super Saiyan.  The fight was cut short and Black was yoinked out of there against everyone's will so they COULD brush that under the rug that Black would have lost in the long run without knowing how to transform and good guy Goku was just doing his naive thing about fighting fair and evenly which is why he didn't kill Black, but.....ehh, sure didn't seem that way.
    

Re: Nickelodeon All Star Brawl

 September 15, 2021, 01:02:19 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Nickelodeon All Star Brawl (Started by walt July 13, 2021, 07:39:39 PM
 Board: Fighting Games

Ren in 3D looks....off.  I think it's because the show's super exaugurated character expressions done in a video game for repeated animations, along with him being the comparatively more normal looking one of the two, makes him look like a GMod model with its facial expressions at 500%.

Stimpy already looked weird from the get-go, being a bean with legs so it don't particularly look weird on him.  Eh, I'm sure in actual gameplay it won't even be an issue.  It's not model issues like MvCI pausing on their zombie faces occasionally.

Cool addition, if not at all a surprise at this point.  Looks like a mix between Banjo & Kazooie with Wario at face value to play.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 14, 2021, 03:49:39 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Fine.  Fair enough.  I'll reel it in.

But said discussion that you want me to dial back is also exactly what you're asking for, realize.  There's just a lot to say on the matter.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 14, 2021, 02:24:27 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

I had a very nice, long response to start a discussion on that, then the page accidently refreshed and I really don't want to retype all that.  So to frustratingly summarize, yeah, we've had this discussion before on this same topic.  I'm not looking to aggressively put them down over their faults, but they are still faults and it's explicitly what they're trying to sell as a series that stands out amongst other similar shows that I'm finding fault in, so yeah, I feel it would be dishonest to not call them out on it, minor as it may be.  It's not calamitous or anything, just.....annoying.  It's not like I'm giving up on the show, I'm still here after all.  I just look at where they can improve.

And it's not like they haven't.  They're not the same back in the first few seasons after it moved on from just Ben doing the research in a week per character where if you disagreed with them, you were factually wrong.  That's a good thing.  But it can always be better.  And after all this whole topic of the show is meant to be argumentative, not definitive.

Anyways, one other caveat to Reverse Flash's time jumping with Black specifically that I'm reminded of, not that I ever delved into the fandom topic myself since I never really got into the Future Trunks arc of Super, is that I recall hearing a bunch during and after its run is that canonically Black's time travel mishaps break Dragon Ball's own rules on time travel.  Essentially what he did do, he could not do by their own admission, and the series brushes it under the rug.  Why that is, I dunno.  I just know the staff realized by the end the huge mess they made so they had Zeno erase the entire arc out of existence to never revisit it again.  Perhaps someone more up to date on Dragon Ball, Super specifically, and its time mechanics can explain why Black is so broken?
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 14, 2021, 12:57:09 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Whether you want to call it a different universe, or a realm within the universe it doesn't matter

Flashes can find out where you're from by vibrational frequency and go there by matching it
See, now, that's extra weird.  Because what would he pick up?  Zamasu is essentially gone, it's Goku's everything with Zamasu's new mind in there.  Would he pick up Goku's frequency?  Because a lot of help that would do him going back to farmer Goku or even way back to Planet Vegeta.  Would he pick up godly energy?  Because that's similar between all of them, he would just as well end up in front of Grand Kai or Supreme Kai or Zeno for that matter.

It's one of those quirks where rules of applications don't work as intended between two series that really don't work well with one another.  Goku Black wouldn't be vibrating like Zamasu.  Arguably he wouldn't be acting exactly like Goku either because while Black picked up a lot of his muscle memory he applies it in his own different way, but Goku Black essentially is a whole new guy to who Zamasu was before.

Eh.  I guess we'll see how they interpret it.  I'm not the expert.  Hell, I would have preferred Goku Black versus Black Lady, but after their Galaxia episode I'll pass on more Sailor Moon from them.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 14, 2021, 12:10:59 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

But have they actually gone to a physical realm of an afterlife outside actual death and resurrection?  There's the whole thing with speedster Death and Flash but....that's kinda different.  I know D.C. has at least one basic Christian based one with the clouds and angels and whatnot on account of Lobo and I don't know how they approach real-world religions and afterlifes in D.C. beyond that, being a touchy subject and all.  It's not exactly Spawn saying "Christianity is the most right but there's a SuperGod and a SuperHeaven as well, get over it".  Dragon Ball's is....weird.  It has, what, 4 or 5 different levels of existence that's more like a godly bureaucracy than an afterlife, each new one mostly forgotten about as the new shiny plot point comes around?  There's King Yemma/Snake Road/King Kai's whole place, whatever Hell consists of between Z and Super's changes, the Grand Kais, the Supreme Kais' own universe within each universe, and wherever Zeno resides above all universes.

And I dunno, recent and incomplete or not, that sounds like something they would include.  Did not stop them with Immortal Hulk nor this metahuman thing with Batman.  Also the whole Zamasu plan does require Thawne to even have the foggiest of ideas who Goku Black really is, what Saiyans are, what Kais are, how their afterlife functions, etc.

Unless his time travel powers explicitly let him anchor himself to an individual's timeline of their life and follow them across time and space outside his own individual knowledge, then he's kinda out of luck.  Which hey, maybe he does, I don't follow the character much outside internet memes sure love him.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 13, 2021, 11:03:14 PM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

I gotta say, it is frustrating when they outline why the loser wins while trying to defend their choice of victor.

Darkseid = multi-versal scaling to D.C. universe, which is extraordinarily bigger than Marvel's universe.  Celestials = multi-veral but to much smaller plains.  Iron Man = Celestials.  Batman > Darkseid.  I mean, come on guys.

Going for an Ant Man-styled kill on account of it being something Batman would not prepare for as well is also ridiculous.  The concept of whatever WOULD kill Batman would be something he could not prepare for it a sound idea, but Captain Atom is a thing.  I find it very hard to believe Batman would not have a countermeasure for microscopic foes.

Bleh.  Anyways, yeah, next fight, another D.C. vs Dragon Ball episode.  They're both more modernly popular but I never really liked either myself.  The animated movies I've seen don't exactly paint Reverse Flash at his max potential I would assume, but Death Battle's also previously said even Wonder Woman can catch Reverse Flash in his full run even while time is distorted.  If someone at her speed can fight and beat him, someone on Goku Black's level easily can too.  Question is if he can just go back to Goku Black's inception and just kill off weak-as-hell Zamasu?  Does Flash time-travel shenanigans let them access essentially Heaven and higher plains?  Because that's essentially what the Realm of the Kais is, the level above Heaven where the Gods of the Gods reside.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 04, 2021, 04:07:40 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

THAT would be stretching their leniency a bit too far.  Bloodbending is canonically the hardest form of sub-bending in the entire Avatar universe to do, never mind master, and Korra's had it happen to her a bunch of times but its never been something she's attempted to try as far as I can recall.  Unless there is some later season line where they say Katara taught Korra everything she knew, Korra would simply be missing the knowledge how to do it, Avatar State or not.  And she won't be getting it from any past Avatar's knowledge because it was only invented within Aang's frozen lifetime, to say nothing of the whole Dark Avatar storyline having her lose that connection anyways.

I'd say you'd also have the full moon issue, but A) Past Avatar DB episode Zuko vs MHA kid already told us the DB team's stance on solar/lunar cycles in a match; it's assumed these fights always take place on the bender's max potential.  Sozin's Comet or a full moon is in affect then.  But even if not because an Avatar can take advantage of both but both can't be active at the same time then B) Amon and such have already proven the rule from Last Airbender to just be a limitation that could be overcome and you can bloodbend any time.

So long to short is, if there's some line I don't recall where Katara taught Korra all her waterbending techniques (Which they MAY be, seeing Korra wasn't allowed to be taught the other forms until she mastered Waterbending under Katara) then yes, hypothetically Korra could just add that as another insta-kill maneuver.  Which is even more dangerous than the whole "You can no longer breathe" Airbending stuff.  But it's entirely hypothetical because Korra's never done it on screen and it's a black art and moral taboo to ever do it to begin with, something Korra wouldn't ever do even for minor usage, never mind killing with it.  Kinda rides that line of when is DB breaking character for a feat or not.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 03, 2021, 06:41:59 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Well, I mean, why is straight-forward enough.  It's hype.  Akuma's a 7 out of 10, Oni's an 11.  It's Street Fighter shotos on steroids flashy stuff, it's Capcom's own Rare Akuma.  Animation team probably just wants to have fun making a blue troll shoot fireballs and jetting around.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 03, 2021, 05:49:17 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Huh?  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.  Kenpachi would beat Oni, he just doesn't have fighting forever unlimited stamina.  I even brought up how the Asura's Wrath story with Ryu and Oni effectively boosted the SF cast for no real rhyme or reason other than to even out the playing field.

Hell, same thing with Madara to Aizen I mentioned before, would Akuma even be able to see Kenpachi? 
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 03, 2021, 04:49:03 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

If it's either Asura or Kenpachi, be assured neither of them will do any soothing of the beast to Oni.  Whoever Akuma is fighting, I would assume it's not propped up from the get-go to be one he will lose to explicitly because the opponent picked has that counter in tow.

I'm still going with it being Kenpachi because they both need more Bleach characters to show by now and they REALLY need to reanalyze that series' stats.  I know Death Battle isn't a stranger to low-balls but Jesus is putting Ichigo at "Oh, California-ish at his best" destructive range pretty damn low considering the multi-dimension fluff the Spirit Society runs into and the series final boss going all End Of The Universe.  I imagine a mid to high-tier character of the franchise like Kenpachi would fit around Oni's feats in Asura's Wrath.  Probably still lose the stamina battle but hey.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 03, 2021, 03:51:25 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

I wonder now what Death Battle would consider a "peak performance" version of Korra?  Season 1 or season 4?  Season 4 obviously has all her character progression across the series and giant mountain sized transformation and Energy Bending and whatnot, but before the Dark Avatar storyline Korra still had the connection to all previous Avatars at once, just like Aang before her.  I don't recall how strong Raava recovered and if they ever threw in a line at some point about their restarted Avatar lineage was stronger or weaker than the previous one?  Story theme-wise, I actually have to assume end of Season 2 till the end of the series Avatar State Korra would be weaker than where she started from.  Since a lot of the story is Korra having to live with her mistakes and not everything's going to be all right.

We had something similar before with All Might, where his Death Battle appearance wasn't even what shows up in that series at all, just a hypothetical max potential version of All Might that was lost prior to the series starting.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 03, 2021, 02:57:05 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

What are Oni's canon appearances?  Or at least, "what if" canon, since Akuma never actually goes full Oni in the story.  SF4, of course, and maybe Asura's Wrath, but does he show in SF5?  Didn't play it, only know they threw in Evil Ryu but Not Evil Ryu so admittingly I'm a bit out of touch with the story now.

I wonder if Oni will run into a similar issue that Fierce Deity Link had, where the majority of appearances count as non-canon, and the canon stuff is intentionally vague per the game's story.  Fierce Deity had his whole manga short story about being an ancient god who'd play music without end which cause Majora (The original one, not the mask) to dance until it died of exhaustion.  From which the mask was made out of Majora's flesh carved.  None of that came up at all in the Link/Cloud episode because they don't count the Zelda manga at all.  Same with Hyrule Warriors.  But what's left in the end is just you get the mask, having the power of all the others in the game and you can kill Majora in, like, three hits.

If Oni's only canon material is his SF4 opening cutscene, ending cutscene and I guess the lore tidbit of this being Akuma no longer holding back the urge to kill every living thing in sight, it'll probably drastically cut his power in their scaling where he no longer can, say, dropkick the moon in half.  And that's why I say maybe to Asura's Wrath because even in that story it's treated as a dream match equalizing the power between the two. (three, really, Ryu is there somehow breathing on the moon)
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 September 03, 2021, 02:24:12 AM View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
 Board: Entertainment

Strength level to strength level?  I doubt Korra's changing the whole planet, though Spirit World nonsense I wouldn't put it past them finding some statement, especially if Toph can sense and move things globally in LoK and she's lesser than an Avatar State character.  No, I'm thinking more insta-kill junk.  Denying Storm the ability to breath any more, dismissing any clouds, water or air, hell, turning the clouds against Storm making them solid or just another element.  Redirecting lighting right back at her targeting vital internals, etc.

Regardless of how powerful Storm is, granting Korra carte blanche rules to kill letting them just do what Zaheer the villain does removing air out of someone's lungs and the ability to get it back kinda hinders Storm, what with needing to breathe and all.