Posted by Jmorphman in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
Another thing I would say is worth considering is the fact that while both of them have access to superhuman levels of strength, Bucky's is innate and permanent while Jason's is a short burst from a drug. So unless the Venom gave him enough of a boost to overwhelmingly outclass the Infinity Formula (which it doesn't), or his training was significantly higher than Bucky's to be able to end the fight instantly if given a slight strength advantage (which it isn't) then Jason really wouldn't be able to stand up to Bucky in the long run.I guess it's technically correct but I found it really weird that they were talking about the Infinity Formula as giving Bucky abilities beyond a normal human. Like sure I guess the accelerated healing and shit is true, but otherwise, all the Infinity Formula is supposed to do is make you immortal. Several characters that have it, like Nick Fury Sr. and Black Widow, are definitely just regular humans. Bucky is treated the same way: he's not at all a match for Captain America's enhanced physique—although interestingly enough, Captain America is also considered in large part to not be super-powered either: he's definitely capable of feats of strength, agility, and speed that would be impossible to even the greatest of athletes, but that's all stuff the human body is theoretically capable of; if someone strictly followed a perfect diet and workout regiment for their entire lives, starting from their birth, they'd be capable of the same stuff, it's just the Super-Soldier serum can give anyone that body instantly, even a 90 pound weakling like Steve used to be!
No, Bucky's real dominating factor here, and the reason why he could keep up with Captain America when he was still brainwashed, is that metal arm. The super strength it provides him helped ensure that when he became Captain America after Steve died, there wasn't a "downgrade", so to speak, in terms of superheroic combat ability. And it's that metal arm that gives him such an advantage over Jason, even if Jason's taken a dose of venom; while venom might theoretically give Jason the edge in strength (I'm honestly not sure that it would, I feel like they'd be evenly matched at best), Bucky's arm isn't a temporary boost, nor does it have all the deleterious effects that venom has on the people who take it.
That's the Inverse Ninja Law in action; one assassin is an elite and powerful adversary. A group of assassins are easily dispatched cannon fodder.Exactly; this is just the inverse ninja law, but applied to training. Jason didn't get any special training from any named League characters. Which is nothing special nor very persuasive in an argument for who would win in a fight, again because a horde of ninjas are jobbers, and thus also a horde of ninjas training Jason Todd isn't gonna help him improve over any of the training he already had from Batman.
But this has been changed, post New 52, apparently. Now he has received training from both Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger while he was under the care of the League of Assassins, which is incredibly stupid and dumb—both characters had associations with the League, but neither one has ever been a willing full time member (Shiva was briefly associated with them in her youth, long before she became a professional assassin and master of martial arts; Bronze Tiger was kidnapped and brainwashed by the League for a period of time, and then subsequently freed); perhaps their tenures are yet another shitty change made by the New 52—but ultimately it's quite different from Jason being trained by a bunch of nobodies. Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger are among the best martial artists in all of DC (Lady Shiva is probably the absolute number one, and Bronze Tiger is arguably better than Batman), and I'd feel comfortable saying that this training would be better than the stuff he learned from Batman (but then again, maybe Shiva and Tiger are no longer as good as they were before the New 52, I certainly don't know!).
... although, all this Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger shit was written by absolute massive piece of shit and serial sexual harasser Scott Lobdell, so fuck it, we don't have to consider any of it. Dude just finished his 9 year run/stranglehold on Jason Todd, where he wrote Jason as an author avatar who was constantly shown to be the most badass cool guy with all the coolest shit, and it's this run where most of his big impressive training, weapons and other equipment, and feats come from that were cited by Death Battle. So yeah, fuck all that shit Bucky should've killed him harder.