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Started by BaganSmashBros, January 17, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
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BSB Ridley release (UPDATED 19/02/14)
#1  January 17, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
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Wow, this topic got 2000+ views and 162 full downloads.
Note: both his tail and projectiles lack blue clsn boxes because they should lack them. If i will ever try to change it, i will add something that doesn`t even barely fits Ridley like Shouryuken or some kind of eye lasers. And everyone saying "TOO BIG" will be shot in head.
Download it here - http://www.4shared.com/rar/KJSsuIEIce/Ridley.html
Well, while i was bored and internetless, i decided to finally make this Ridley...in MvC style. I started to like this style for some reasons...Anyway, i think this Ridley is best non-boss Ridley available. If someone ever downloaded MOM Ridley from Mugen Wiki, you will feel difference between this characters. I used either MvC or DCvM template, but i edited it and now it doen`t looks like this template. And it wasn`t EOH one. If you will find bugs that i didn`t listed - tell me. And i need help with Intro and Ending (not programming help, i need script help). Includes special intro against Samus.
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Image above is one of the special win animations. Image at the top is outdated. He has fixed pallete and he is purple because of it.
Ganondorf on the right is released as beta version.

Moveset includes 6 specials, 10 hypers, guard push and basic stuff. Has 6 palettes, 3 intros, 8 winning animations, continue animation, Pharaoh Curse, standart acknowledgement thing and dizzy animation.
If you noticed, he never blinks. He never did in any of the games possibly because his eyes are similar to snake`s. I don`t know, his Brawl model lacks any eye bones, nor any of his animations has eye movement.
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This character was nerfed a lot because he was like boss character before. Actually, i though boss character means character with super armor and no real moveset. But most still think he is overpowered. I made startups on strong kick, fireballs, nerfed ground scrape special and hyper, what else should be nerfed?

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Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 10:04:23 PM by BaganSmashBros
Re: BSB Ridley release
#2  January 17, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
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#3  January 17, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
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Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 09:19:02 PM by Monochrome
Re: BSB Ridley release
#4  January 17, 2014, 09:18:16 PM
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Re: BSB Ridley release
#5  January 17, 2014, 09:18:45 PM
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Note: i don`t know what does "has no target with -1 id" means and how to fix it.

It means you that somewhere used a "Target," extension without including a "NumTarget" trigger. It's requesting information from a target when it doesn't have any.


Re: BSB Ridley release
#6  January 18, 2014, 12:46:15 AM
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Re: BSB Ridley release
#7  January 18, 2014, 01:54:10 AM
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You sure? I simply put some triggeralls in the few instances of the "Target" extension in the .cmd and it fixed it for me.


It was specifically these parts:

Code:
[State -1, throw ai]
type = ChangeState
value = 800
triggerall = NumTarget
triggerall = target, ishelper = 0
triggerall = enemy, ishelper = 0
triggerall = MoveType != H && RoundState = 2 && !IsHelper
triggerall =  (p2bodydist x <= 25) && (p2bodydist y <= 10)
trigger1 = Random <= 200 && (statetype = S) && var(0) >=1
trigger1 = ctrl = 1

[State -1, throw ai]
type = ChangeState
value = 1300
triggerall = NumTarget
triggerall = target, ishelper = 0
triggerall = enemy, ishelper = 0
triggerall = MoveType != H && RoundState = 2 && !IsHelper
triggerall =  (p2bodydist x <= 25) && (p2bodydist y <= 10)
trigger1 = Random <= 200 && (statetype = S) && var(0) >=1
trigger1 = ctrl = 1

[State -1, AI Ultimate Ground Scape]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = NumTarget
triggerall = target, ishelper = 0
triggerall = enemy, ishelper = 0
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && var(0) >=1
triggerall = (Ctrl) && (statetype != A)
triggerall = (prevstateno != 5120)
triggerall = p2bodydist x > -250 && p2bodydist x < 290
trigger1 = (power =[2000,2999]) && (random = [0,350])
value = 3200

Some other at-a-glace things I noticed:

-You're using the old AI activation on a 1.0 only character - Just use the "AILevel" trigger instead.
-I can understand the tail lacking CLSN2 boxes on the tail, but why does he lack them for the head in his standing pose? Especially considering it's got hitboxes in his crouch animation.
--On that note, I'd recommend putting CLSN2 boxes on the tail for moves where he's using the tail to attack.
-I know MVC tends to have huge damage outputs, but his QCF+Kick Super does a A CRAPTON damage for a level 2 super that's not only tough to avoid (considering how fast he goes and also the fact that it scales the entire screen) but also, thanks to being a throw, unblockable.
Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 01:57:47 AM by RedLuncbox
Re: BSB Ridley release
#8  January 18, 2014, 04:30:22 AM
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Re: BSB Ridley release
#9  January 18, 2014, 02:39:07 PM
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I've decided to test him myself. If this is supposed to be a non-boss, it needs a lot of work. Made a video to prove my points (will upload soon). Besides RedLuncbox's criticisms, here are my own.

  • He can easily beat boss characters.
  • He can chain into his grabs. Both command and regular. Not sure if command grabs are combo-able, but I know regular ones aren't.
  • Super moves are using Low and Medium Buttons instead of Medium and Hard.
  • His basic air kick attacks are more like moves and spamming the low and medium can keep him airborne.
  • Seems pointless for his fireball super when his Hard Fireball motion does three fireballs in a row.
  • He can poke you half way across the screen (in any stage less than 1.1) and you can't collide hit him.
  • Does a lot of damage for a non-boss
  • His moves are pretty safe. Besides the fireballs, his command grabs comes fast and without warning. His Level 3 Super Armor can last until the end of the round. And his level 2 Grab move is frikkin powerful. He also has a combo super but I never used it.

A few of these would be okay for a Boss Character, but since you claimed him as a non-boss one, this is unacceptable.

EDIT: And here's 35 minutes of video showcasing him.
Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 03:18:45 PM by AkumaTh
Re: BSB Ridley release
#10  January 18, 2014, 06:28:51 PM
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  • He can chain into his grabs. Both command and regular. Not sure if command grabs are combo-able, but I know regular ones aren't.
  • Super moves are using Low and Medium Buttons instead of Medium and Hard.
  • His basic air kick attacks are more like moves and spamming the low and medium can keep him airborne.
  • Seems pointless for his fireball super when his Hard Fireball motion does three fireballs in a row.
  • He can poke you half way across the screen (in any stage less than 1.1) and you can't collide hit him.
  • Does a lot of damage for a non-boss
  • His moves are pretty safe. Besides the fireballs, his command grabs comes fast and without warning. His Level 3 Super Armor can last until the end of the round. And his level 2 Grab move is frikkin powerful. He also has a combo super but I never used it.
  • Template where able to do that, and i just didn`t touched it. Hauzer can do that too.
  • Actually, they just not using strong kick, will be fixed soon.
  • I will limit them to single stab.
  • Then i will increase rate and decrease time it continues
  • His tail is invincible in every game he appeared in, so, i left every tail attack like that.
  • Isn`t every character has grab that comes without warning? His Level 3 Super Armor lasts while heartbeat plays (30 seconds). Do i need to decrease damage of flame or damage dealt while scraping floor?
-It works fine in version 1.1, so, i will keep it.
-Will fix it too.
--See above ^
-Will decrease damage in next update. It should deal less than 600 damage or less than 500?
Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 06:36:25 PM by BaganSmashBros
Re: BSB Ridley release
#11  January 18, 2014, 06:43:22 PM
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  • Then i will increase rate and decrease time it continues
  • His tail is invincible in every game he appeared in, so, i left every tail attack like that.
  • Isn`t every character has grab that comes without warning? His Level 3 Super Armor lasts while heartbeat plays (30 seconds). Do i need to decrease damage of flame or damage dealt while scraping floor?

  • Or you could just make it shoot one fireball for each just with various speeds.
  • While that is true for a Boss Character, if you do intend for him to be considered a non-boss character, that trait has got to go.
  • There is warning for Grabs. For starters, most grab moves are close range. If your opponent is a known grappler and trying to get close, you know they're going for a grab. With Ridley, he will try to grab you from a distance. And with that speed it is hard to react fast enough and impossible if your character can't jump high. Look at the Raging Demon for an example. It is a grab move, but it gives you a good enough time to react if done from a distance. There are also other cases of Command Grabs being blockable (like Abel's grabs), which would make that more tolerable. His Level 3 Super Armor does not last 30 seconds. Starting here, it last throughout the entire round, beyond 30 seconds. Too boot, regen as well as Super Armor? That is just plain overkill for a supposed Non-Boss Character.

As for the flames, I don't see a problem. The Scraping on the Floor definitely needs to be nerfed since three direct hits could take out an opponent.
Re: BSB Ridley release
#12  January 18, 2014, 07:02:39 PM
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Isn`t every character has grab that comes without warning?  Do i need to decrease damage of flame or damage dealt while scraping floor?

It's not so much without warning. A good concept to keep in mind is that a move's damage should be inversely proportional to how easy it is to land. Super Move Grabs that come without warning typically require that the character to be right up in the opponent's face for it to have any chance of hitting (Think Alex or some iterations of Zangief) or move slow enough that it gives good enough warning at a distance (Such as most iterations of the SGS).

My personal suggestion would be to reduce the range that Ridley has to preform the attack, and nerf the scraping on the ground damage.
Re: BSB Ridley release
#13  January 18, 2014, 07:12:33 PM
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Now his vel x is only 5 and uses weak rush attack animation, so, it covers half of the screen and can be dodged. Scraping damage and flame damage will be decreased, dealing nearly 500 damage.
  • It is guardable and i decreased damage for next uptade i will release after finishing 7th hyper. At least it will last 30 seconds (real seconds, not game time), regeneration removed, and by the way, he flinches if strong attack is used.


     Posted: January 19, 2014, 01:46:41 AM
NEW Mini-update: http://dfiles.ru/files/bl7q2a6dr
List of changes:
  • Decreased damage
  • Decreased damage of Ultimate Ground Scrape, decreased speed and duration of grab attempt
  • Shadow Bug Clones now will retreat sooner and can actually turn
  • Removed life regeneration during Super Armored state and decreased duration to 30 seconds
  • Decreased damage of both Ground Scrape specials
Now, i need to upload full update, but first i must figure out how to make depositfiles finally upload and more feedback

     Posted: January 23, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
NEW Large Update: http://dfiles.ru/files/jjgil402y
List of changes:
Actually, i forgot what i changed, but now he has reworked animations (still no CLNS for head because its hard to do because of his neck and angle of the head), new win animation and stage included for him. Also, he now has new lv3 hyper, Mega Flare. Most moves are balanced now and flamethrower special is improved and opponent is on fire if hit.
Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED)
#14  January 23, 2014, 04:16:55 PM
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Great to see him updated, gonna try him out.

BTW, I've actually fixed up his AIR and SFF to support palettes, here's the patch:

https://www.mediafire.com/?pycn0c5ubantpoj

For now, he got six palettes based on his different appearences:

Smash Bros Brawl Ridley
Super Metroid Cover
Other M Ridley
Ridley X
Zero Mission Ridley
NES Ridley
Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED)
#15  January 23, 2014, 04:23:01 PM
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Great to see him updated, gonna try him out.

BTW, I've actually fixed up his AIR and SFF to support palettes, here's the patch:

https://www.mediafire.com/?pycn0c5ubantpoj

For now, he got six palettes based on his different appearences:

Smash Bros Brawl Ridley
Super Metroid Cover
Other M Ridley
Ridley X
Zero Mission Ridley
NES Ridley


Is that updated Ridley version or old one?

EDIT: nevermind, i used default pallete...it looks better than what was before.
Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 04:29:46 PM by BaganSmashBros
Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED)
#16  January 23, 2014, 08:12:16 PM
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It's the updated version. :)
Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED)
#17  January 25, 2014, 07:08:53 PM
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Medium-sized update: http://dfiles.ru/files/3tp4j7bej
What`s new:
-Minor fixes in basic attacks and hypers
-Now Ridley X pallete uses different voice and roars (except for normal win animation)
-Added lv3 Hyper, Backup
-Added 2 new win animations against Samus with fluid animation
-Fixed super jump
-Now clones ACTUALLY CAN disappear
-Probably something else

Now i need more feedback for both voice and Backup.

     Posted: January 25, 2014, 09:09:41 PM
Mini-update: http://dfiles.ru/files/un1gufopm
Whats new:
-Fixed Fatality for Ridley X
Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED 26/01/14)
#18  January 26, 2014, 04:13:00 AM
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Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED 26/01/14)
#19  January 26, 2014, 04:20:24 AM
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Do you mean it can be spammed or it just won`t stop? Is there any other issues? I can`t fix getting power on Mega Flare, even through i reduced getpower to 0.
What does QCF means anyway? Or QCB?
Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 04:44:54 AM by BaganSmashBros
Re: BSB Ridley release (UPDATED 26/01/14)
#20  January 26, 2014, 05:06:42 AM
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QCF means Quarter Circle Forward. QCF means Quarter Circle Back.

And I believe it is for the spamability. Keep on using it and you can reduce a health to 0. We call that Infinites.